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DEREGULATION: THE CHALLENGE TO
BANK MANAGEMENT"

Address by
Theodore H. Roberts
President
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis

Before the
Bank Management Association
Missouri Athletic Club
St. Louis, Missouri
May 26, 1983

I am very pleased to have this opportunity to speak to the Bank
Management Association, representing as you do the management of banks in
the greater St. Louis area.
Although I am a relative newcomer to St. Louis, this is sort of a
"homecoming" to me, since I have just completed a series of meetings with
financial institutions throughout the 8th Federal Reserve District, which
I find covers a lot of ground.

The purpose of those meetings was to get

acquainted with my new constituency, to provide information about our
policies and services, and to listen to suggestions for improving our
performance.

The results have been gratifying, and the response from

those attending has been encouraging.

I believe some of you were present

at our meeting here in St. Louis.
As a commercial banker for almost thirty years, and a Fed president
for only a few months, I am still more at home with bankers than my new
associates in the Federal Reserve System.
easy to communicate with you.

I like bankers, and find it

I hope you will keep in mind that there is

someone over at the Fed who understands your problems, talks your
language, and wants to maintain an open line of communication with you

—

whether to hear your constructive suggestions or legitimate complaints.
Of course, I have my philosophical biases, derived in part no doubt
from a long exposure to the "Chicago School" of economics.

Stated

simply, they are:
1)

the least regulation required to protect the public interest
is the best regulation, and

2)




the free market is the most efficient method of rationing
scarce resources in our economy.

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With t h a t on the t a b l e , l e t ' s t u r n t o my promised subject - - the
challenge posed t o bank management by deregulation of f i n a n c i a l
institutions.

In a way, t h i s t o p i c reminds me of the o l d adage t h a t when

a man knows he's going t o be hanged, i t concentrates h i s mind
wonderfully.

Although much has been said about d e r e g u l a t i o n , i t

seems t o concentrate a bank manager's mind w o n d e r f u l l y .

still

Maybe t h a t ' s

because unless he can f i g u r e out why i t came about, where i t ' s going, and
what he does about i t , i t w i l l become a hangman's noose f o r h i s bank.
I f any o f you are o l d enough t o have experienced the t e r r i b l e times
o f the e a r l y t h i r t i e s i n banking, you know t h a t most of the laws,
r e g u l a t i o n s , and r e g u l a t o r y s t r u c t u r e governing banks came out of t h a t
economic c r i s i s when the o v e r r i d i n g consideration was preservation of the
n a t i o n ' s payments system.

With a focus on bank s a f e t y , r e g u l a t i o n s have

always served t o create b a r r i e r s t o c o m p e t i t i o n .

This takes the form of

r e s t r i c t i o n s on e n t r y , l i m i t a t i o n s on l o c a t i o n s , c e i l i n g s on i n t e r e s t
r a t e s t h a t may be paid on deposits or charged on loans, and r e s t r i c t i o n s
on permissible a c t i v i t i e s .
However, as Robert Frost has noted, "something there i s t h a t
doesn't love a w a l l , t h a t wants t o t e a r i t down."
t h a t regulated banking d o n ' t e x i s t any more.

C e r t a i n l y the walls

Tidal waves of f i n a n c i a l

innovations have overwhelmed the r e g u l a t o r s and regulated a l i k e ; while
many of the o l d laws are s t i l l

i n p l a c e , the w a l l s they were intended t o

create have long since crumbled.

How d i d t h i s happen?

The accelerating i n f l a t i o n of the seventies brought much higher
i n t e r e s t rates than had been known since the t w e n t i e s .
i n t e r e s t rates climbed through deposit c e i l i n g s ,




As market

"disintermediation"

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became widespread.

I t was one t h i n g f o r a savings depositor t o ignore a

small premium r a t e over what he was paid by h i s bank when i n f l a t i o n was
nominal, but q u i t e another s i t u a t i o n when i n f l a t i o n had soared t o double
d i g i t s and market i n t e r e s t rates were more than twice h i s r e t u r n on a
regulated bank d e p o s i t .

You might say depositor s e l f - p r e s e r v a t i o n was

the d r i v i n g force behind h i s move t o marketable s e c u r i t i e s and money
market mutual funds.
N a t u r a l l y , banks and other depository f i n a n c i a l i n s t i t u t i o n s had t o
o b t a i n r e l i e f from regulated i n t e r e s t c e i l i n g s t o s u r v i v e .

The evidence

can be found i n everything from T - B i l l C e r t i f i c a t e s and NOW accounts t o
the newest Money Market Deposit Accounts.

Not only have banks found a

way t o pay market i n t e r e s t r a t e s , but they are even paying them on
checking accounts!

So much f o r deposit i n t e r e s t r a t e c e i l i n g s .

With

some important assistance from the f e d e r a l l e v e l and some heavy b a t t l e s
on the home f r o n t , usury c e i l i n g s on loan i n t e r e s t have also been
g e n e r a l l y eased or e l i m i n a t e d .
Only a few years ago, i t was inconceivable t h a t banks could branch
across s t a t e l i n e s .

O u t - o f - s t a t e and f o r e i g n banks were ( t o paraphrase

Mark Twain) as out of place as a Presbyterian i n Purgatory.
Presbyterians are popping up everywhere.

Now,

C i t i c o r p and S e c u r i t y P a c i f i c

are buying banks i n South Dakota; Bank o f Boston i s acquiring one i n
Maine; Rainier i s moving i n t o Alaska; Bank of America has a deal set t o
take over t h e l a r g e s t bank i n Washington; Morgan, Chase, Manufacturers
Hanover and others are e s t a b l i s h i n g banks i n Delaware, which i s f a s t
becoming our " L i t t l e Switzerland" i n t h e United S t a t e s .

Northern Trust

and NCNB have c a p i t a l i z e d on a grandfather clause i n the F l o r i d a banking




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law to enter banking in that state.

Chemical has an option to purchase a

large Florida bank "when permissible."

Add to these illustrations, the

nationwide proliferation of loan production offices, subsidiaries for
(among other things) leasing, mortgage banking, consumer loans,
commercial finance, investment counseling, discount brokerage, data
processing, futures commission merchant, international banking, and
export trading, and you can see that the walls intended to contain
geographical expansion and permissible activities are more like a sieve.
Furthermore, until recently only depository institutions could
engage in "banking" activities.

Now the lines between banks, thrifts,

and financial service firms have become so blurred that most customers
find it difficult to distinguish the differences any more.

A case in

point would be Merril1-Lynch's cash management account, which offers
customers a securities margin account, an interest-paying money market
mutual fund (with checking privileges), and a charge card with a line of
credit.

An innovative management, together with advancing computer and

communications technology, made this attractive consumer product possible.
Concurrently, an amalgamation of financial service firms and some
non-financial companies is taking place.

Insurance companies (such as

Prudential) are buying banks in order for their investment brokerage
subsidiaries to have I.R.A. and other "deposit products" to retail
nationally through their branch system.

Incidentally, in case you need a

national branch system, I saw a Merrill-Lynch ad recently which said they
had placed 35 billion of bank and S&L CD's with individual investors in
the last year.

In a variation on the theme, Merrill Lynch is buying a

savings and loan association.




Citicorp and National Steel are already

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there -- they own savings and loans with statewide branching powers in
California that are expected to spread their retail deposit gathering
system nationwide in time.

We mustn't forget Sears and Penney.

The

former owns a California savings and loan, a large investment banking and
brokerage company, a big mortgage banking and real estate brokerage
operation—not to mention a major insurance company.

A recent WSJ

carried a story about the Sears annual meeting in which they announced a
plan to buy a bank or more S&L's, offer a line of credit secured by home
equity, and develop a national network of ATM's for their 40 million
charge card holders, enter home banking, and develop a national payment
system for financial institutions.

Penney just agreed to acquire a

Delaware bank and has also announced plans to enter the home banking
market.

On another front, money management firms such as Dreyfus

Corporation have discovered a way to make a "non-bank" out of a bank by
limiting its function to deposit taking with no commercial loans.
American Express is putting cash machines in place across the country to
be activated by a debit card.
Clearly, the regulatory walls intended to contain banking prices,
restrict geographical presence, and limit entry to supervised
participants are tumbling down.

Like Humpty Dumpty, I doubt that they

can ever be put back together again.

The question in my mind is whether

all this is truly in the public interest.

I think we may be experiencing

a distorting effect here of the interaction of old laws and regulations,
and the innovative techniques made possible by modern technology for
circumventing them.




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Is it really desirable to have deposit-like instruments spring up
overnight to hold 3200 billion of personal financial assets without the
protection of federal deposit insurance or supervision?

Are we possibly

dooming our traditional banking system by requiring it to maintain
minimum capital, while new forms of banking with no such standards
develop outside the system?

Is it really in the public interest to allow

individual states to determine which services banks will be able to offer
on a nationwide basis, even when in direct conflict with established
federal policy?
The conclusion that I draw from all this is that it is high time
for a critical review of existing federal policies as reflected in our
banking laws, in order to determine what the public interest really is.
Are we getting too far from safety and soundness with respect to liquid
savings?

Could we possibly be jeopardizing the viability of the payments

system by permitting it to shift away from banks?

Do we really want a

merging of financial and non-financial businesses in this country?

Is

the risk of economic concentration being properly considered?
Meanwhile, how do you as managers of banks cope with the de facto
situation of a deregulating banking system?

It may be constructive to

look at two other major industries that have been subject to substantial
deregulation in recent years:

securities firms and airlines.

In those

industries, we saw that deregulation resulted in weak firms becoming
weaker much faster than strong firms got stronger.

The most profitable

products came under severe price pressure as competition focused on
them.

There was an industry-wide profit squeeze that forced rapid

cost-cutting, particularly staff reductions.

This impacted both large

and small firms as competition intensified from new entrants.



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In the brokerage business, the public has turned increasingly to
discount brokers who offer to execute transactions at cut-rate prices.
Without the overhead of "full-service" companies, this leaves them room
for profit while making the established companies unprofitable in this
line of business.

Incidentally, banks are the principal new entrants to

this business currently.
The airline industry provides additional evidence for the gains
that deregulation provides.

Not only is flying generally much cheaper

than it would otherwise have been, there is considerably more competition
in the industry.

Prior to the recent deregulation, virtually no new

airline had been chartered for about 40 years, and route competition
among existing airlines was severely restricted; since deregulation, more
than 30 new airlines have appeared.

Moreover, competition in the major

markets has widened considerably as existing airlines have moved in to
compete head-to-head.

Of course, competition has been reduced in some of

the lesser markets lacking profit potential, and prices have risen there
while service has been limited.

No wonder we hear concern in the banking

business about an equivalent of the $99 coast-to-coast fare.
But, what of the consequences of deregulation on the financial
institutions themselves?

What can you do about deregulation?

Well,

first of all, you might consider re-regulating the industry, thereby
attempting to turn back the calendar to a simpler era.

Those who

seriously think that this is a feasible option are much like generals who
try to win the current war by fighting the last one over again.
strategies and outmoded plans are unlikely to prevail.

Old

As some

philosopher once noted, it is our future, not our past, that lays down
the law of our today.



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What about the airlines?

You know what happened to Braniff and

Laker, each of which was pursuing an independent strategy.

Look at the

earnings of the major airlines as a group; deregulation has not been
especially kind to them.

On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier, a

large number of new firms have entered the industry and some of these are
doing relatively well; it appears that they will survive.
In the face of ongoing deregulation, banks will continue to find
themselves subject to continuing pressure on margins, greater earnings
variability and excessive fixed capital (compared to their non-financial
competitors).

There will be greater divergence in earnings performances

and further consolidation—both among banks and between banks and other
financial and non-financial firms. There are now about 14,000 U.S.
commercial banks.

How many of them will survive?

10,000?

5,000?

is no way to come up with the definitive answer at this time.

There

What is

clear, however, is that there will be considerably fewer banks around
when the competitive dust finally clears.
Which banks will survive?

Analysis of deregulation in other

industries suggests that there are three different types of banks that
will survive.

First, there will be those banks that will offer the full

range of financial services worldwide; these will be the international
distributors of financial services.

It takes a lot of financial muscle

to launch your own communications satellite as Citicorp has done.
Second, there will be the "boutique" banks, those that specialize on
specific financial services and markets that are not highly price
sensitive.

Here, one thinks of the "middle market" for business, the

upscale market for retail, and the well-run community bank.




Finally,

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Second, you might try to slow down the impact of deregulation and
give yourselves more time to adjust to it.

The recent moratorium imposed

on the further creation of "non-bank banks" is one example of such
action.

Certainly, such a period of U R and R" would be helpful if it is

used creatively and if it could be guaranteed.

The major problem with

attempts to slow down the pace of innovation and market deregulation is
that such pressures are not alleviated, they are merely shunted from one
area to another.

Unlike the boy who saved the dam by plugging a hole

with his thumb, every hole in the regulatory dam that is plugged, even
temporarily, will simply produce new holes.

Even an octopus who was all

thumbs would be ineffective under such conditions.
So what will deregulation do to banks?

The final demise of price

controls, product controls and geographical restrictions will affect
banks in the same way that deregulation has affected every other
industry. Again, we can look at the securities industry and the airlines
to get a preview of what is in store for banks and other financial
institutions as deregulation advances on all fronts.

In the securities

industry, there have been a number of firms that just disappeared; some
went under and some merged with others to survive as commissions fell
when the minimum commission structure was deregulated.

Some have found

it to their advantage to become associated with banks:

Bank America

Corp, Chase Manhattan, Citicorp, and Security Pacific are just the better
known examples.

A recent report estimates that there are some 600

depository institutions that offer some form of discount brokerage
services.




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some new, lower cost, banks will be successful simply because they are
not burdened down by the major structural costs that tend to build up in
regulated industries.

These banks will focus on the highly

price-sensitive segment of financial services.
Management of financial institutions will have to undertake a
different attitude.

Instead of attempting to deliver the best service at

the lowest price in a narrow product line in some specifically prescribed
geographical area, you will have to decide which services to offer and in
which locations.

In other words, the range of alternative options will

increase very substantially and the number of decisions to be made will
increase in geometric proportion to the options available.
with a probably narrower spread between revenues and costs.

All of that,
While in the

past managers of financial institutions were able to specialize in a
relatively narrow line of endeavors, they will have to become much
broader in their scope of knowledge and much more entrepreneurial in
their actions.
In addition to understanding the traditional credit risks which
derive from your lending function, you will need to understand that a
risk almost as large has developed from the mismatch of asset and
liability interest rate maturities in combination with much more volatile
interest rates.

You are going to have to know much more about marketing

and how to make it effective, and you will have to accept the fact that
talented people from outside your bank will be required for some parts of
your business, producing some strain on traditional organization
culture. Strategic planning, the essence of which is anticipation, will
be the critical determinant of your success.




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Although, many banks will disappear, I do not believe that this
means that it will be the small institutions that will fail and the large
ones that will prosper.

Small institutions may excel in specific product

lines and specific geographical areas. The failures will be dominated by
those who make the wrong choices at the outset.

Typically these will be

institutions that attempt to blindly follow all actions of their
competitors, that seek to provide services for which they have neither
expertise nor experience, and that venture foolishly into localities and
markets where they are unknown and likely to remain so.

These failures

will probably be equally distributed among the large and small
institutions.

On the other hand, those who make the right choices now

and develop comparative advantage will be on a much stronger footing than
they are now.
There is one final confusion that surrounds the issue of
deregulation.

Some people are concerned that deregulation is the same as

"no regulations." This is clearly not the case.

Financial institutions

will continue to be subject to important and effective regulation.
Financial institutions are different from other business firms in some
wery fundamental ways. Some financial institutions create money; that
power affects everyone, not just the customers of the individual
institutions.

Control over this aspect must remain.

Others provide the

payments mechanism and the integrity of this mechanism must be protected.
Many regulations will therefore remain.

Deregulation will remove

only those that were standing in the way of increased efficiency in the
provision of financial services.

Also falling by the wayside will be

regulations and restrictions that are no longer relevant to the new




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competition that deregulation is fostering among financial services
firms.

A good example of this is the potential re-shaping of deposit

insurance that is now taking place.

Insured banks and thrifts pay the

same insurance "premium11 to obtain deposit insurance regardless of their
own risk characteristics and circumstances.

In the good old days, there

may not have been a great difference between the riskiness associated
with one bank and another.

After all, banks were restricted to severely

limited activities, and were generally protected from the vicissitudes of
competition by the regulatory barriers surrounding them.
longer.

But, no

As opportunities have opened up, competition has heated up, and,

as interest spreads have narrowed, there has also been increased risk and
greater divergence among banks in their asset and liability strategies.
Some recognition of this will almost surely show up in deposit insurance
rates for banks and thrifts.

This is just one example of how

deregulation will affect the remaining regulatory structure.
The fact that deregulation of financial services will provide great
social benefits and greater overall efficiency doesn't make its impact on
you, as bankers, any less difficult.
enormous.

The challenge you face is

Yet it is no greater than that faced by any entrepreneur who

has some resources, decides where and how to use them, and who bears the
risks and rewards of his decisions.

Indeed, the problem that you now

face is similar to that of the two men who were hiking in the wilderness
and found themselves suddenly face-to-face with an enraged grizzly bear.
As the bear prepared to charge at them, one of the men quickly kicked off
his hiking shoes and started to lace on some running shoes that he was




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carrying in his pack.
outrun t h a t bear."

"You're crazy" the other man said, "you can't

" I d o n ' t have t o outrun the bear," the f i r s t man

r e p l i e d , " I only have t o outrun y o u . "
Don't expect to outrun deregulation.
outrun your competition.

To survive, y o u ' l l have to

I f you haven't already done so, now would be a

good time to start lacing up your running shoes.