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July 18, 1995

Remarks by
Susan M. Phillips, Member
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

Conference Sponsored by
The American Enterprise Institute and
The Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago
on
International Competition in Financial Services:
National Regulatory Systems be Harmonized?

Chicago, Illinois
July 18, 1995

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I am delighted to have the opportunity to participate in
this conference.

It is always a pleasure for me to be able to

come back to the Seventh Federal Reserve District and visit the
Bank.

The American Enterprise Institute and the Chicago Federal

Reserve Bank are to be congratulated for encouraging serious
research on the topic of harmonization of national regulatory
systems.

As someone who is in the trenches trying to address

particular aspects of domestic (and sometimes international)
regulatory harmonization in the financial services area, I can
assure you that the questions are difficult.
answers.

There are no easy

Moreover, even if it seems perfectly clear to all that

something can and should be done in a certain area, you can rest
assured that it will SSS1 to take forever to effect appropriate
regulatory adjustments.
Today I thought I would give you my observations as a
practitioner on areas where regulatory harmonization in financial
services appears to work and where it does not, both
internationally and domestically.

In this country, we have

several types of very different regulatory schemes operating
within the financial services area.
securities and banking laws.

We have State and federal

At the federal level, we even have

multiple regulators operating in the same regulatory scheme,
sometimes with different approaches or emphases.

However

organized, both national and international regulatory systems are
presenting financial market participants with major challenges as
they compete in the rapidly changing global economy.

A fair amount of my work at the Federal Reserve - - and
before coming to the Fed, for that matter - - has focused on
financial derivatives.

This is an area that naturally involves

the very different regulatory regimes for securities, commodity
futures and banking.

So I apologize in advance if many of my

examples come from the rather specialized, arcane area of
derivatives.

(I suspect that I can get away with this

specialization in the City of Chicago.)

Hopefully, at the end of

this discussion, I can draw a few conclusions, or more
importantly, the people doing research in this area, can test
their theories and conclusions on international regulatory
harmonization.
One major barrier to regulatory harmonization is the whole
body of national regulations, guidelines, rules, interpretations,
professional standards and industry practices which are built up
in response to a particular law or oversight program.

We do not

even have to go outside the United States to find examples of
conflicting regulatory regimes and industry traditions in
financial services--at least three such structures are now
operating:
1.

Bank supervision with its focus on safety and soundness

to protect the federal safety net relies heavily on on-site
examinations.

If problems are identified, banks are given an

opportunity to take corrective action.
2.

Securities regulation is built around the statutory

charge of customer protection relying in large part on public

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disclosure by issuers of financial instruments, external
auditors, self-regulation and formal disciplinary and enforcement
systems.
3.

Commodities regulation, on the other hand, is built

around the statutory charge of preserving market integrity, and
utilizes non-public large trader reports, self-regulatory
systems, and exchange and regulatory market surveillance
programs.
Legal precedents and industry practices have developed
within these three very different statutory and regulatory
systems.

Perhaps more important, there has been significant

capital expended to set up corporations, holding companies,
trading systems and exchanges to operate within the confines of
these three regimes.

Personnel have been trained; qualifying

entry exams have been passed; accounting and back-office systems
have been set up.

When the traces of these three regulatory

systems were jumped with the development of financial
derivatives, the challenges of regulatory harmonization have
became evident.

So as not to inhibit the development of the

markets, Congress, regulators and supervisors have accommodated
with legislative amendments, no-action positions, safe harbors
and specific exemptions.
Market participants have sometimes used the different
regulatory systems as a way to exclude competitors, sometimes
resorting to the judicial system.

At other times, the existence

of multiple regulatory regimes has facilitated the introduction

of such new, innovative products as exchange-traded financial
futures.

I suspect that the strain on regulatory systems and

market participants will remain because markets are not static.
The ultimate challenge, of course, to legislators, regulators,
supervisors and market participants is to determine when the
structure has become so cumbersome that it must be overhauled.
Changing regulatory programs and wiping away years of legal
precedents obviously requires new legislation.

Such drastic

change is not costless and the benefits of status quo or even
multiple regulatory regimes must be weighed against the cost.
Needless to say, if we have harmonization challenges at the
national level, they are magnified at the international level.
International harmonization often faces constraints, indeed
barriers.

If the regulated area is one where advances in

technology and theory require major changes in supervisory
approaches, the need to harmonize can make progress slow and
difficult.

Take, for example, capital adequacy and the minimum

standards that are set out under the Basle Accord.

In fact, I

noted that this Accord was frequently cited in the papers for
this conference.

The original accord, set out in 1989, involved

relatively simple rule-of-thumb minimum standards for capital
adequacy to account for credit risk.

When proposals were first

made in 1993 to incorporate market risk into the standard for
foreign exchange positions and trading activities in debt, equity
and commodities, the rule-of-thumb approach expanded into a
complicated matrix that made no one happy.

The smaller banks

said it was too complicated and the larger banks said it was too
naive and simplistic, compared to their own sophisticated risk
management systems.

In the recent revised proposal published for

comment by the Basle Supervisors Committee, supervisors are
exploring means to use an institution's own calculations of Value
at Risk as a platform for setting capital charges.
I might mention that this is a major leap for many
supervisors to contemplate banks calculating their own capital
levels, even if the banks' internal models meet specified
parameters such as holding period, confidence interval and
observation period for the calculation of value at risk.
Supervisors must also find the magic formula or scaling factor to
transform a VAR measure into a prudential capital charge.
In addition, U.S. bank supervisors are grappling with the
additional task of incorporating interest rate risk into riskbased capital standards for areas outside the trading book.

We

could well end up with simple formulas for capital charges to
accommodate credit risk, but more sophisticated models for market
and interest rate risks.

Layered on top of those capital charges

is the general direction to U.S. banks to hold enough capital to
account for other operating or legal risks and concentration
risk.

At some point, one has to wonder whether the whole regime

-- internationally harmonized or not -- will collapse of its own
weight.
Faced with the prospect of either an increasingly
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rapidly changing financial system, researchers at the Federal
Reserve have been exploring a fairly radical precoznmitment
approach to capital determination.

This proposal would not only

rely on a firm's internal risk management model, but also the
firm's commitment to manage its trading book to limit losses to
the publicly precommitted level, with penalties for
noncompliance.

The Board has requested public comment on this

approach and I look forward to a healthy debate.

The

precommitment capital proposal had already inspired international
supervisors to build incentives for continued improvement in firm
risk management systems into the proposed risk-based capital
structure. International supervisors may be reluctant to leap to
the precommitment approach but their willingness to embrace the
internal models approach is a clean break with the past and
offers hope of further progress.
International harmonization becomes even more complicated if
national sovereignty or cultural issues are raised. National
blocking and secrecy statutes are often cited as inhibiting
international harmonization.

But perhaps more subtle are

international cultural differences with respect to such things as
attitudes toward bankruptcy, market power or conflict of
interest.

I suspect that entire papers could and probably are

being written somewhere on each of these issues, but let me just
offer some cursory observations to give you a flavor of the
influence of cultural differences.

First, in the United States,

we have several formalized routes to bankruptcy, but other

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countries even refer to the process as "reorganization," implying
an aversion to firms going out of business.

Different

international legal structures present particular challenges if,
for example, a multinational firm goes under, bankrupt or into
forced reorganization.

The prospect of unwinding such a firm

with assets booked in multiple countries has forced international
regulatory bodies to seek ways of at least facilitating orderly
firm exit while minimizing market disruptions.

The different

legal approaches to firm dissolution remain at issue.
With respect to market power questions, the U.S. antitrust
legislative and enforcement system often is at odds with other
legal systems.

Likewise, the "big-is-bad" notion permeating the

U.S. legal system is not as prevalent in other industrialized
countries.

The conflict-of-interest notions underlying the Glass

Steagall Act also are not common in other countries.

I am

hopeful that the time has come to dismantle the artificial
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barriers between commercial and investment banking in this
country.

But, as you know, the fate of Glass Steagall reform is

far from certain.
Now that I have painted such a bleak picture of
international regulatory harmonization, you might wonder if I
have any positive war stories to tell from the trenches.

I do

think that if the harmonization efforts work in the direction of
the underlying economics, there is a much better chance of
success.

Within "underlying economics," I include reinforcing

the financial incentives of strong players in the relevant market

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or taking actions to remove barriers to entry thereby making the
market more efficient or lowering transactions costs.

Examples

abound, but again I am going to resort to banking and the
financial derivatives market.
In spite of all my comments about the challenges of
harmonizing capital adequacy standards, the Basle Supervisors'
Accord has made major progress in the last decade.

The financial

incentives of large internationally active banks are generally
supportive of uniform capital standards.

Since capital is the

buffer which allows banks to ride out economic downturns,
international capital standards assure the creditworthiness and
financial stability of counterparties in cross-border
transactions.

In essence, the costs of a "credit check" or "due

diligence" are reduced.

In addition, bank entry into foreign

countries has been eased by the establishment of international
capital standards.

The challenge for the international

supervisory community going forward will be to accommodate the
realities of a complicated world trading environment where
technology is facilitating the application of financial risk
management theory to an ever wider range of bank activities.
I might add, and it may be obvious to many of you in the
room, that the U.S. has its own inconsistency in capital
requirements between bank-style risk-based capital requirements
and the generally higher SEC style capital requirements.

But re-

evaluation of this domestic capital disparity is being prompted
by the common use of derivatives at both large banks and broker-

dealers, the breakdown of Glass Steagall barriers and the
International competition from universal banks.

The pressure for

this domestic harmonization Is being exerted through such
International channels as both the BIS and IOSCO and through
large domestic broker-dealers who have set up derivatives
subsidiaries outside of the reach of SEC capital standards.
Those firms have developed a framework for voluntary oversight
Including a bank-style risk-based capital measure under pressure
from the SEC and the U.S. Congress.

This is a tentative

step

toward domestic capital harmonization.
Another area where I have been a bit surprised that there
has been significant progress toward international regulatory
harmonization is the general area of transparency of derivatives
transactions.

I am including accounting practices, regulatory

reporting and public disclosure in the transparency area.

Each

has different issues and each is in a different state of
development with respect to international harmonization, but they
are clearly related and can be quite costly.

There appear to be

significant differences in international attitudes about public
disclosure.

I hasten to point out that the United States has

much longer and stronger traditions of public disclosure.

The

U.S. regulatory systems and accounting standards promote such
disclosure to provide public investors with adequate information
to make investment decisions.

This in turn has resulted in broad

public participation in the capital formation process and
efficient secondary capital markets.

Such a system of public

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disclosure also permits firms to assess the creditworthiness of
their counterparties in business transactions and again lowers
transactions costs.
Thus there is considerable support within the business
community for standardized accounting and disclosure, in spite of
the costs.

This is no less the case with financial derivatives.

Due to the very complexity of the transactions, the road to
regulatory harmonization has been difficult and I admit has a
ways to go.

I can report to you that significant resources are

being devoted to the effort.

The BIS has at least four working

groups of two committees addressing various aspects of
transparency.

In some cases, papers have been issued or surveys

undertaken.
There seems to be substantial agreement in the area of
minimum standards for reporting to supervisors, but considerably
less in the area of public disclosure or accounting standards.
This may be partly explained by the recognition that there is not
yet consensus within the derivatives industry as to what
constitutes meaningful, understandable public disclosure.

In

many cases, the instrument valuation models as well as firm risk
management models are still under development.

The fact that a

particular instrument in one firm's portfolio can be risk
reducing and, in another, risk increasing clearly complicates the
whole notion of uniform or meaningful reporting.
One of the BIS reports, the so-called Fisher Report, named
after Peter Fisher of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, was

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issued late last year as a discussion paper explicitly
recognizing a lack of consensus on disclosure, but calling for
more quantitative disclosure drawn from firms own Internal risk
measurement systems.

Work Is continuing both in the public and

private sectors to improve public disclosure of derivatives
transactions.

There may well have to be adjustments to the

regulatory reporting schemes as consensus develops on appropriate
public disclosures.
Accounting oversight bodies appear to be further behind in
developing final standards for reporting derivatives activities.
I know that the Federal Reserve Board staff have participated in
discussions of hedge accounting and other derivatives accounting
issues with the senior staff of the FASB.

The International

Accounting Standards Committee just issued standards for
financial instruments (IASC Standard No. 32; June 21, 1995).
They are seeking endorsement from domestic professional
accounting groups; e.g., FASB in the U.S.

So we may expect

additional work in this area in coming months both at the
national and international levels.
A final area I would like to mention briefly as realizing
considerable success with respect to international harmonization
is payments and settlement systems.

The incentives for such

harmonization seem obvious and require little elaboration, but
the issues are technical and complicated.

I think we take the

integrity of the payments system in this country for granted, but
international payments mechanisms occupy much discussion and

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If there are national or

international financial problems of such intensity that they can
be called "systemic," we could well see the payments system
infected.

Disruption of payment and settlement systems would in

turn affect the liquidity in financial and credit markets -- the
proverbial "gridlock" situation.

Financial market supervisors

and participants have a number of initiatives under way to
improve the financial infrastructure which includes international
harmonization to assure the integrity of payment and settlement.
I will spare you the details of these efforts.
In closing, I am delighted to see serious academic work
being undertaken in the area of financial regulatory system
harmonization.

I was pleased to see some of my practitioner

observations echoed in today's papers; for example:
- More harmonization is not always the answer - there are costs involved; in fact, some competition among
regulatory systems may be healthy.
- The road to harmonization has many stumbling blocks,
many of them quite intractable.
- Harmonization is more likely to occur when the
underlying economics or incentives are supportive or
when market processes are made more efficient.
Supervisors and regulators have set up and invested
significantly in a number of mechanisms in recent years to
facilitate regulatory harmonization.

One might even observe that

both national and international committees and coordinating

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groups have proliferated and in some cases become quite formal.
This process may have been helped along by energetic regulators
and by the European Union initiatives and also by such incidents
(or accidents) as Herstatt, BCCI, Barings or the S&L crisis.

But

I rather believe that it is the developments in the marketplace - economic, technological and theoretical -- that are driving the
harmonization process.
Thank you.