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For release on delivery
1 p.m. C.D.T. (2 p.m. E.D.T)
June 6, 1996

Remarks by
Susan M. Phillips
Member
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
at a
Conference on Derivatives and Public Policy
at the
Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago
Chicago, Illinois
June 6, 1996

DERIVATIVES SUPERVISION AND REGULATION IN PERSPECTIVE
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak to this veryimpressive group gathered to discuss public policies related to
financial derivatives.

I will focus my remarks on the implications of

derivatives for the prudential supervision and regulation of banking
organizations, that is, on what we have learned from derivatives and
how we can apply those lessons more generally to banking activities.
Shortly after I began serving on the Board in December 1991,
the debate over the appropriate regulatory approach to bank derivative
activities intensified.

As a former regulator of exchange-traded

derivatives with new responsibilities for banking supervision, I think
I brought an unusual perspective to the issues.

At the time, I argued

that derivatives posed important challenges to bankers and to
supervisors but that those challenges were manageable within the
existing regulatory framework.

I also emphasized that derivatives

were creating opportunities as well as challenges.

Not only could

banks offer new product lines to meet customers' risk management
needs, but derivatives were part of a risk management revolution that
would facilitate banks' efforts to manage their own risks and
supervisors' efforts to ensure safety and soundness.

For these

reasons, I cautioned against premature adoption of fundamental changes
to the regulatory framework.
I believe that this point of view has been generally
supported by subsequent experience.

Indeed, as I look back on the

last five years or so, I see supervisors' efforts to address
derivatives as having taught us some important lessons that are
broadly applicable to banking supervision and regulation.

Indeed, I

believe these lessons are relevant to our analysis of some of the more
radical regulatory reforms which are currently being advocated.

I

suspect some of these proposals are unnecessary and would almost
surely produce some unintended and quite undesirable consequences.

Lessons Learned
Perhaps the most basic lesson we have learned from our
experience with the prudential regulation of bank derivatives
activities is that what is important is the underlying risk '
characteristics of a financial instrument, not what the instrument is
called.

To be sure, because some elements of our legal and regulatory

framework may be outdated, an instrument's name may have implications
for its legal and regulatory compliance risks.

But it is those risks,

along with the market risks, credit risk, operational risk, and
reputational risk, that are important to prudential supervisors.

As

the Group of Thirty's landmark 1993 study of derivatives observed, the
use of derivatives does not involve any new types of risk.

That said,

some derivatives do combine or separate out different types of risk in
new ways that require users to develop more advanced risk management
capabilities.

And. as some dealers have learned the hard way, the

marketing of new, complex financial instruments may entail
reputational risks that demand special attention.
A second lesson that has been reinforced is that risk must be
measured and managed on a portfolio basis rather than instrument by
instrument.

Although this arguably is the first principle of finance

and is widely appreciated by bankers and regulators, putting this
principle into practice in banking has not been easy.

Past banking

crises have in part reflected a failure to recognize or to prudently
limit concentrations of risk within portfolios.

Derivatives dealers

have developed the capability of measuring their market risks on a
portfolio basis, using so-called value - at - risk (VaR) measures.

Although these measures are still evolving and have some significant
limitations, they do facilitate the identification and quantification
of concentrations of risk within trading portfolios.

This is

accomplished by analyzing derivatives and other financial instruments
in terms of their effect on the sensitivity of the dealer's total
portfolio to changes in a common set of underlying market risk
factors--interest rates, exchange rates, commodity prices, and equity
index values.

The VaR measures also take into account the historical

correlations among the common risk factors.

In principle, the same

types of techniques could be applied to the measurement and management
of credit risk, although various conceptual and practical difficulties
would need to be overcome.

As an aside, I can't help but note that

credit risk management is surely an area ripe for some theoretical and
analytical breakthroughs comparable to what derivatives have produced
for market risk management.
A third lesson that our experience with derivatives has
driven home is the critical importance of firms' internal risk
controls.

This, of course, is the most obvious lesson from the

various financial losses that the press often characterizes as
"derivatives debacles."

The technological advances and financial

innovations of recent years, of which derivatives are merely a
prominent example, today allow many banks and other financial and
nonfinancial firms to adjust their risk profiles quite rapidly.

With

such capabilities, these institutions can limit the likelihood of
substantial losses from adverse changes in market conditions by
promptly liquidating or hedging risk exposures.

However, as the

various debacles underscore, the liquidity and leverage that make this
possible also heighten the danger of losses from unauthorized or
poorly understood trading activities.

A comprehensive set of risk

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limits, carefully monitored and strictly administered, clearly is the
key to harvesting the benefits of new technologies and instruments
while avoiding misadventures.
A final lesson that I would highlight is the need to align
financial incentives with management objectives, and this lesson has
at least two applications.

The first relates to compensation, which

is always a delicate topic, especially if regulators are participating
in the dialogue.

But I think there is broad agreement that

compensation of traders and others who are empowered to commit a
firm's resources should reflect not just returns, but also the risks
assumed in generating the returns.
a firm to quantify its risk.

Of course, this approach requires

As I have already discussed, derivatives

dealers have been at the forefront of efforts to develop improved risk
measures, and some institutions have begun utilizing risk measures
when making decisions about compensation.

The second facet of the

need to align financial incentives with management objectives relates
to capital and assurance that capital adequately reflects the risk the
firm assumes.

While much has been accomplished to make capital

requirements risk-based, the final chapter is yet to be written in
this area.

More on this shortly.

Incorporation into Supervisory Programs
The Federal Reserve and other banking supervisors in the
United States and abroad have been working to incorporate the lessons
learned from derivatives into our rules and supervisory procedures.
The thrust of these efforts has been a strengthened emphasis on risk
management, that is, on the process of identifying, measuring,
reporting, and controlling risks.

Mindful of the lesson that the risk

characteristics of an instrument are more important than its name, the

Federal Reserve has emphasized risk management in all bank activities.
For example, when we issued examiner guidance on bank derivatives
activities in 1993, that guidance applied to all of a bank's trading
activities, whether in derivatives or other financial instruments.
The examiners' 1994 Trading Activities Manual made that concept even
more explicit as did the subsequent guidance tailored to end-users of
derivatives.

Most recently, examiners have begun to assign a formal

rating to a bank's overall risk management capabilities as part of the
management component of a the CAMEL rating for safety and soundness.
The need to measure risk on a portfolio basis has begun to be
reflected explicitly in our capital guidelines and our disclosure
requirements.

The Federal Reserve has been a strong supporter of

efforts to base regulatory capital requirements for market risk on
banks' internal risk measurement models.

The amendments to the Basle

Capital Accord that were announced last December would allow banks
that meet certain qualitative and quantitative standards for risk
management to calculate market risk capital charges on the basis of
their internal VaR measures.

Unlike earlier proposals, the amendments

encourage diversification of market risks by allowing banks to make
use of empirical correlations among risk factors when computing VaR.
In the disclosure area, we have encouraged portfolio-wide measures of
risk and returns.

And we have opposed efforts to require disclosures

of the risks and returns to derivative instruments alone, because such
disclosure would ignore the reality that these instruments typically
are managed as components of portfolios that include other financial
instruments.
For supervisors as well as bankers, the importance of
internal controls cannot be overstated.

I believe supervisors have

long understood the importance of internal controls, especially in

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trading businesses, but we no doubt now have a fuller understanding of
what is required.

Among the points to which we are giving greater

emphasis, I would highlight the need for an active oversight role by a
bank's board of directors and its senior management, and the need for
an internal control process that actively and independently monitors
adherence by business units to policies and procedures that the board
or senior management establishes.
Finally, supervisors, like bank management, have learned the
importance of ensuring that banks' financial incentives are compatible
with supervisory objectives.

Efforts to enhance public disclosures of

the scale and scope, results, and risks of trading activities have
been motivated by a desire to bring greater market discipline to bear
on banks.

In addition, supervisors have begun to attempt to build

financial incentives into regulatory capital requirements.

The recent

amendments to the Basle Capital Accord are designed to provide
incentives for accurate VaR measurement by requiring banks that appear
systematically to underestimate day-to-day trading losses to maintain
higher capital.

The Federal Reserve has also been exploring a so-

called "pre-commitment" approach to capital for market risk that seeks
to provide banks with stronger regulatory and market incentives for
improvements to all aspects of market risk management.

This approach

is currently being studied by a group of U.S. banks organized by the
New York Clearing House.

Proposals for More Radical Regulatory Reform
Others apparently have drawn different lessons from
experience with banks' derivatives activities.

Members of Congress,

some commentators on bank regulatory structure, a few academics, and
even some people within the Federal Reserve System have argued that

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certain trading activities in derivatives and in other financial
instruments should be conducted in separately capitalized affiliates
of banks.

These individuals appear to differ on the scope of trading

activities that should be forced out of the bank.

Some focus on

derivatives, others on all proprietary trading, whether of derivatives
or of other financial instruments.

Some apparently advocate

prohibiting insured banks from engaging in proprietary trading or
market-making activities in any financial instruments, including
instruments like foreign exchange and Treasury securities.

The latter

would represent a major policy change, since U.S. banks have traded
such instruments throughout their history.

All of those advocating

such steps seem to share the view that trading activities, especially
those involving derivatives, are more difficult to manage and
supervise than "traditional" banking activities, such as the
origination and funding of loans.

Indeed, these advocates seem to

believe that trading activities inherently pose unacceptably high
risks to banks, the Bank Insurance Fund, and taxpayers.
From my remarks today you no doubt can tell that I do not
share this belief or endorse these proposals.

The conclusion that

trading activities are more difficult to manage than lending
activities certainly is not supported by experience to date.

Bank

experience with trading activities too often is summarized in two
words--"Barings" and "Daiwa."

But the experiences of these two

institutions are far from typical, and deeper analysis indicates that
both can be traced to basic internal control problems.
Although trading revenues can be quite volatile from quarter
to quarter, major U.S. money center banks have seldom reported
quarterly losses, and in no case in the last twenty years has a
trading loss at a U.S. bank resulted in a significant decline in

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capital, much less a bank failure.
losses.

We cannot say the same for loan

The last several years of highly profitable returns from

lending have not erased from my memory the difficulties that greeted
me when I joined the Board.

I remember quite clearly that massive

losses on commercial real estate loans had produced a wave of bank
failures, a bloated problem bank list, and a seriously depleted
insurance fund.

Banks were said to be going to same way as S&Ls.

Earlier episodes of serious losses on real estate loans, loans to
developing countries, loans concentrated in energy or agriculture, and
loans to highly leveraged businesses I believe reinforce my point.
To be sure, the past is not necessarily prologue.

Indeed, it

would be unrealistic to expect that going forward major U.S. banks
could continue substantial trading activities and not register a
single significant quarterly trading loss.

As I have acknowledged,

the liquidity and leverage obtainable through trading pose challenges
to banks and to their supervisors.

But these challenges can be met

through a combination of sound risk management practices and proactive
regulatory oversight.

As I have discussed, banks have made

substantial progress implementing comprehensive and robust internal
controls, while supervisors have responded to the growth of bank
trading activities with significant enhancements to their rules and
supervisory procedures.
In fact, I worry that some of those who are concerned about
trading activities may be underestimating the difficulty of managing
and supervising the old-fashioned, plain-vanilla credit risks that
lending activities entail.

Indeed, an argument can be made that

credit risks of lending are currently much more difficult to manage
and to supervise than the market risks that are the predominant risks
in trading activities.

To be sure, trades can be made more quickly

than loans.

But loan losses become apparent much more slowly than

trading losses.

And, even when loan losses are recognized, it is much

more difficult to stem further losses, because loans tend to be less
liquid and more difficult to hedge than traded instruments, and
because of fears of damaging long-term relationships with borrowers.
Finally, we should not lose sight of the fact that at the vast
majority of banks the size of the loan portfolio dwarfs the size of
the trading book.
I also fear that forcing trading activities into separately
capitalized affiliates of banks could have several unintended adverse
consequences.

Implementation of such a proposal would appear to

require the booking of trading activities into at least two separate
legal entities in the United States--securities activities would need
to be booked at a broker-dealer but current SEC capital rules
effectively preclude the booking of OTC derivatives at such entities.
Many more legal entities would need to be established to permit U.S.
banks to participate in foreign markets.
Of course, the Glass-Steagall Act and other U.S. laws and
regulations already require or encourage the use of multiple legal
entities as booking vehicles.

In such circumstances, we find that

banking organizations nonetheless tend to manage risks essentially
looking through the specific legal entities in which the business is
booked.

Supervisors have warned that management must take account of

legal entities, because even if a risk position of one legal entity is
in principle offset by a risk position at another legal entity, in an
insolvency situation the gains at one entity may not be available to
offset losses at another.

What banks are asked to do, in effect, is

to measure and manage the risks to the consolidated organization in a
way that ignores diversification across legal entities while

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recognizing concentrations of risk across entities.
extremely complicated.

This already is

Requiring additional legal entities for

foreign exchange and derivatives trading activities would greatly
increase this management problem for banks.

The problem would

increase not only because of the proliferation of legal entities, but
because the activities that would be segregated in many cases are
integral to management of the liquidity, interest rate, and exchange
rate risk of the banking book.
Another unintended consequence of forcing such a complex
legal structure on trading activities by banking organizations could
be a significant erosion in their competitive position.

It would

clearly put U.S. banking organizations at a disadvantage vis-a-vis
foreign banks.

Foreign regulators have not seen fit to require

separation of trading activities for foreign exchange, government
securities, and derivatives activities from other banking activities.
Moreover, in most important jurisdictions outside the United States,
Glass-Steagall-type restrictions are not imposed either.

I am aware

of no plans by foreign authorities to force such a separation, even in
those jurisdictions where banks have been involved in trading
debacles.
U.S. banking organizations might also be disadvantaged vis-avis U.S. securities firms.

Some may argue that allowing banking

organizations to conduct trading activities through insured banks
gives them an unfair advantage over securities firms.

Of course,

banks do benefit from deposit insurance and their access to the
discount window and the payment system.

But securities firms can

freely engage through affiliates in a wide range of financial
activities that, for banking organizations, are either severely
restricted or prohibited.

Thus, it is not clear to me that when all

relevant aspects of regulation are considered, one can conclude that
banking organizations currently have a competitive advantage over
securities firms.

Consequently, forcing existing trading activities

out of banks risks tipping the competitive scales in favor of
securities firms.

Summary
In summary, as I look back on our experience regulating bank
derivative activities, I believe that it has taught banks and
regulators several important lessons.

Banks have made significant

progress in implementing risk management practices that embody those
lessons.

Likewise, banking supervisors have made significant strides

in incorporating those lessons into their rules and procedures.
In light of these risk management improvements and
supervisory enhancements, I see no need to force banks to move trading
activities in derivatives or other financial instruments into
separately capitalized affiliates.

The fundamental premise underlying

such proposals apparently is that trading activities expose the safety
net to inappropriate risk: alternatively stated, trading activities
are more difficult to manage and to supervise than "traditional"
activities, such as lending.

This premise simply is not supported by

historical experience with losses in trading and lending activities.
Nor does it stand up to critical analysis of the nature of the risks
involved and the effectiveness of the management controls and
supervisory procedures that are currently available to contain those
risks.

Moreover, implementing such proposals would greatly complicate

risk management by banking organizations and would likely erode
significantly their competitive position.