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EX PA N D IN G FINANCIAL SERVICES
Remarks o f Robert P. Forrestal, President
Federal Reserve Bank o f Atlanta
Atlanta Insurance Day
November 6, 1985

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I am honored to be with you today to lead o ff your annual program on
developments in the insurance industry. Like many o f you, I am sometimes surprised to
find the industry in which I have spent most o f my professional life to be undergoing such
rapid change, especially since this industry has long had a reputation, well-deserved or
not, for conservatism and stability.

My comments this morning will focus on the major

developments taking place in the industry and why I find these changes, on the whole,
t beneficial.

Major Changes
Amidst all the individual changes that have been taking place in financial services,
three

broad

areas o f innovation stand out:

declining institutional segmentation,

increased geographic competition, and accelerating product expansion. In many respects,
these changes are most apparent in the banking and thrift segments of the industry, but
the patterns apply as well to insurance companies and other providers o f financial
services.

One o f the most striking changes involves the breakdown o f old institutional
constraints and, ultimately, distinctions.

Not many years ago a savings and loan, for

example, was patently distinct from other financial institutions.

It could not offer

checking accounts or any near substitute. Neither could credit unions. Lending activity
o f thrifts was limited essentially to household mortgages.

Commercial lending was o ff-

limits to S<5cLs and was reserved instead for commercial bankers.

By the same token,

commercial banks were precluded from all aspects of investment banking.




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In contrast, today's S&Ls are allowed to invest part of their asset portfolio in
commercial loans.

They can also offer checking accounts, and credit unions can do the

same under the rubric o f share drafts.
o f brokerage services.

Commercial banks are offering a growing number

Over a decade ago nonbanking financial institutions such as

Merrill Lynch and Dreyfus began moving into what was once the exclusive bailiwick of
depository institutions.

Even nonfinancial companies, such as Sears and the finance

company subsidiaries o f GM, GE, and other manufacturers, have played an increasing role
in the line of commerce that was once the exclusive domain o f banks. Such companies
have expanded beyond their traditional roles o f financing the products o f their parents
and are competing more and more in markets once dominated by commercial banks.

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In the insurance industry, we are seeing more companies move into real estate

development, particularly by taking equity positions in some projects.

In addition, at

least one major insurance company has acquired an investment brokerage house, while a
large investment firm

has taken over an insurance company.

Another insurance

corporation sought to purchase a failing savings and loan institution, but the request was
turned down by state authorities.

Some insurance companies are offering IRAs.

has not only been making its presence fe lt in traditional banking markets.

Sears

It is also

moving toward providing a broad package o f financial services that include insurance as
well as brokerage o f securities, real estate, and most recently its own bank credit card.
Many banks have asked that it be permissible for them to o ffe r insurance, and there is
some evidence that such banking and insurance combinations would lower the risks and
^earnings variability o f both type of businesses.

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Another dramatic development in financial services is the increase in geographic
competition

we have seen in the last few years.

Not long ago most depository

institutions were restricted to local or at most state markets. Many o f these restrictions




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date back to the Depression.

Recently, though, interstate banking has been spreading

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rapidly.

By the end of this year we will find banks from about one-third o f the states

operating deposit-taking offices in at least 40 states. What’s more, individual states have
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adopted laws that allow out-of-state banks to operate within their borders, further
weakening geographic limitations. In all, about half the states have approved laws o f this
type, and over one-fifth have adopted regional reciprocal interstate banking laws.
latter are concentrated primarily in New England and the Southeast.

The

The geographic

expansion o f savings and loans has advanced even farther. S<3cLs have had the authority
to expand within their states and across state lines for several years.

It’s not only banks and thrifts that are expanding geographically.

Through a

variety o f strategems—including such devices as loan production offices, bank holding
company subsidiaries, and the so-called ’’nonbank banks" and ’’nonthrift thrifts"—firms
ranging from banks and S&Ls to supermarkets and general merchandisers are offering a
mixture o f financial services through offices scattered from the Atlantic to the Pacific.
If we count the number o f offices o f foreign banks, Edge A ct corporations, loan
production

offices,

and other nonbanking subsidiaries

of banks and bank holding

companies as well as grandfathered interstate banking offices that are operating across
state lines, the number of interstate offices offering various types o f banking services
totals almost 8,000! When you compare this figure to the number of commercial banks in
the United States—a total o f 15,000 with 55,000 offices engaged in full-service banking,
you can see that we have an enormous amount o f interstate banking already.

If you

consider the various nonbank and nonthrift companies, you could say that nationwide
banking is already here.

Although product innovation has been somewhat less dramatic than the breaking
down of geographic and institutional barriers, in part because formal deregulation has not




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progressed as far, no one can deny that the array of products and services being offered
in today’s financial services industry is expanding at an amazing rate. Banks and thrifts
have the money market deposit account and the Super NOW account with which to
compete against money market funds, and they have had some success in drawing back
deposits formerly lost to nonbanking financial institutions.

Through some new powers

they have been able to provide customers with a wider variety o f services.

Indeed, a

myriad o f new financial products are available to both the corporate and the individual
consumer. These range from automated tellers that give more flexible access to basic
financial services, such as making deposits and obtaining cash, to discount brokerage
services. In order to deal with the competition that whole life policies in particular have
been facing from group insurance, pension plans, and IRAs, life insurance companies have
developed new, more diversified products that offer more investment features.

Why Have These Changes Occurred?
Why have these change been taking place?

What led to the dismantling o f the

highly segmented and regulated financial system that prevailed since the 1930s? Perhaps
we should ask the question another way: why did it take so long for market forces to
penetrate the financial services industry?

When we look at it from this point of view, it

becomes easier to understand why the arrangements that were created largely in the
context of the Great Depression showed such longevity.

Given the stable economic

environment that prevailed during much o f this period, it's not surprising that financial
institutions did not chafe at their regulatory limits.

A fter all, each type o f institution

enjoyed shelter from competition by virtue o f this strict market segmentation.

For

instance, despite the restrictions faced by S&Ls on checking accounts and commercial
loans, thrifts enjoyed a legally entrenched advantage over banks in the amount of
interest they could pay on certain depository accounts.

Interest rate ceilings sheltered

banks as well from competition that might have arisen from non-depository institutions.




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During this lengthy period o f protective regulation, banks and thrifts were almost
guaranteed a profitable operation as long as they complied with regulations, kept their
books accurately, and offered a reasonable level o f service to their customers.

This comfortable state of affairs began to disintegrate in the 1970s as the result
o f three fundamental forces—inflation, technology, and competition, with its attendant
pressures for deregulation.

Market forces and inflation deserve much o f the credit—or

blame, depending on your perspective.

The acceleration o f inflation in the 1970s began

to make traditional savings accounts, with their interest rate ceilings, look less appealing
to depositors.

Who could get excited about earning 5 1/2 percent when inflation was

shrinking the buying power o f deposits faster than the payment o f interest increased
their nominal value?

Investors sought and found opportunities to earn more.

Some

unregulated and quite innovative businesses recognized the opportunity and conceived the
money market fund.

Since those outside businesses were free o f the regulations limiting banks and
thrift institutions, they could o ffer depositors market rates o f interest on funds placed
with them.

The result was inevitable:

investors searching for more lucrative returns

began to remove their deposits from depository institutions and to swell those money
market funds. The fence that once seemed to shelter the regulated depositories quickly
began to look more like a prison wall.
not win at their own game.

Banks, savings and loans, and credit unions could

These competitive problems faced by traditional financial

institutions generated momentum for the drive to liberalize government regulations.
Many regulatory restrictions have been eliminated.
rates on deposits is virtually complete.

Today, the deregulation o f interest

Only passbook savings accounts, NOW accounts,

and o f course, demand deposits are limited by interest ceilings.
earning accounts will be eliminated on or before March 31, 1986.




Ceilings on all interest­

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Market forces are also generating pressures toward interstate banking.

Some of

the advances here have been made through the legislative process, particularly at the
state level, which I have described. In addition, however, some o f the latest proliferation
o f interstate banking offices has occurred as a result o f a Congressional loophole—the
4(c)8 clause o f the Bank Holding Company Act, defining a bank as an institution that
accepts deposits and makes commercial loans.

As could be expected, some financial

corporations interpreted that clause to mean that subsidiaries which engage in one, but
not both, of these two functions could legally offer such services across state lines. This
either/or interpretation gave rise to the term "nonbank bank,” with which you're all now
quite familiar.

A t the same time that deteriorating legal barriers and intensifying competitive
pressures have been transforming the financial services industry in dramatic ways, a
technological revolution has been taking place in our payments system and, thereby,
contributed significantly to changes in the nature o f financial services.

ATMs and other

computerized services put customers and financial institutions in touch more quickly
without the personnel and capital expense o f bricks-and-mortar branches.

Thus, the

physical branch system of banks and S<3cLs, one o f their unique features, has become less
significant.

Moreover, banks’ direct access to the payments clearing mechanism has lost

some o f its importance.
foreseeable

future,

Although checks and cash will remain important into the

paperless

transactions involving

clearinghouses are growing far more rapidly.

wire

transfers and automated

Networks linking automated teller

machines are offering consumers unprecedented convenience.

For example, travelers a

thousand miles from home can withdraw or borrow cash after regular business hours.
When you stop to think of it you cannot help but be amazed by the sweeping changes that
have taken place. Those ahead may be still more amazing.




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Assessment o f Changes in Financial Services
As I mentioned at the outset, I feel that the changes that have been and are
continuing to take place are for the most part beneficial. I am keenly aware of problems
that some people associate with the less regulated, more com petitive nature o f today's
financial services industry.

In the last two years the number of bank failures has

increased sharply, from about four per year in the sixties and about eight per year in the
seventies to 48 in 1983 and 79 last year.
commercial banks.

These failures occurred at FDIC-insured

Last year one o f the nation’s largest banks virtually failed, and

earlier this year problems with S&Ls in Ohio and Maryland alarmed depositors and
financial markets here and abroad.

Moreover, we have also witnessed several regulatory

breaches by major banks and investment houses.

Such acts have the potential to

undermine the faith and confidence in our financial institutions that is so critical to the
smooth functioning and continued stability o f the financial system, as a whole.

Another area o f concern is the move o f some thrift institutions into real estate
development.

The implications of extensive real estate development activities by

thrifts, already permitted by some states, is especially worrisome. Actually, we probably
need closer and better supervision of current activities in view o f the increased powers
granted thrifts and the far greater complexity o f today’s financial services. In my view,
this sort o f product expansion has troubling implications for a segment of the financial
services industry that is already beset by serious problems and challenges.

It’s not just thrifts that I feel should be subject to such intensified supervision.
Many banks and bank holding companies are in need o f this too.
the

Federal

capabilities.

Reserve

System

is now

upgrading o f

Recognizing this need,

its supervision and regulation

The thrust o f this effo rt is to provide more frequent and more in-depth

supervision o f large and troubled institutions. This effo rt will entail the addition o f s ta ff




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and changes in procedures to provide greater focus on areas such as liquidity and cash
flow.

We also hope

to achieve

better

results by placing greater

emphasis on

communications of examination findings to the Boards o f Directors of concerned
institutions.

In this way, those ultimately responsible for a financial institution’s

financial health should be more aware o f underlying factors and better able to see that
appropriate actions are taken.

On the question o f new powers generally, I believe there needs to be serious
consideration o f the risks involved even though it is likely that financial institutions of
all kinds will steadily broaden the services they offer.

In particular, I believe that

Congress should close the nonbank bank and nonthrift thrift loopholes and provide a
comprehensive

statutory

framework

for

interstate

banking.

Such legislation,

if

sufficiently comprehensive, would reestablish the historical barrier that existed between
finance and commerce without rolling back many of the advantages to the consumer and
the economy in general that have occurred as the result o f deregulation. Although I am a
firm believer in deregulation in financial services, I believe that this barrier is one that
needs to be kept in good repair in view of the critical role of finance in the functioning
o f any economy and the special safety net that has been constructed over the years for
various segments o f the financial services industry because of this key economic role.
Clearly, these advantages and safeguards were never intended for the vast majority of
commercial enterprises, yet the stability of our economic system would be jeopardized
by removing them from the financial sector.

Despite these caveats, I feel these changes have been and will continue to be good
for the economy and for the consumer.

Consumers are benefiting from a wider array of

services, and we have far more options for earning income on both our savings and the
funds to which we need ready access.




Generally, increased com petitive should put

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downward pressures on the cost o f financial services.

The trend toward interstate

banking is fostering the flow o f capital to its most productive and profitable use in
markets that are freer o f artificial geographic and institutional barriers.

Outlook and Implications
As I see it, there is every reason to expect that the rapid pace o f change and
expansion in the financial services industry will continue into the foreseeable future. I
doubt if we will see any significant retrenchment in the direction o f re-regulation. It's
true that we may experience some changes in the regulatory environment to ensure the
continuing soundness o f our financial system.
already been enacted.

Increases in bank capital ratios have

We may also see a change in deposit insurance.

are seeing the termination o f state-based insurance systems.

In addition, we

Recent events have

dramatized the fact that such systems are not truly workable over the long run.

Notwithstanding the probability o f some regulatory reform, in my opinion, the
major thrust will be toward further deregulation.

Within five to seven years I feel banks

will be able to operate across state lines nationwide.

Laws and regulations, no matter

how well thought out, are proving to be flimsy indeed when pitted against market forces
that push money flows into their most profitable uses.

External competition will

continue from Sears, Kroger, and other nonfinancial companies as well as from foreign
institutions.

It seems likely that the competition among banks, thrifts, and even

insurance companies will continue to intensify, and the probability o f further integration
o f financial services among such institutions is not remote, although this trend is unlikely
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Conclusion
Let me conclude where I began.

I am excited to be a part o f today's rapidly

changing and expanding financial services industry. Although change itself can often be
intimidating, I am confident that those individuals and organizations that face this
challenge positively will find ways to prosper. In the process, our economy is certain to
benefit from the more efficien t and flexible financial system that is developing.

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