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THE ECONOMIC OUTLOOK FOR THE NATION AND THE SOUTHEAST
AND ISSUES IN THE BANKING INDUSTRY
Remarks by Robert P. Forrestal, President
Federal Reserve Bank o f Atlanta
to the Board o f D irectors o f Trust Company Bank
Decem ber 8,1987
Good morning! I am pleased and honored to have this opportunity to meet with the
Trust Company board.

I have been asked to offer you my perspective on the economic

situation in the nation and the Southeast and to touch on current issues in the banking
industry as well.

We are living in interesting times, economically speaking—probably a

bit too interesting for some.

Since the stock market's crash on October 19,

much has

been written and said about the condition o f our financial markets and what they are
telling us about the potential direction o f the economy.

We have heard predictions o f

disaster from some quarters, while from others we are told that the event had meaning
only for overheated exchanges. Fortunately, the aftershocks o f "Black Monday" seem to
be leveling out now, and so we should be at a point where we can bring some balance to
the discussion o f the outlook for our national and regional economies. Let me say at the
outset that the prospects for continued health in the financial community are excellent.
The turbulence since mid-October has tested the depth and resiliency o f the capital
markets, and they have not been found wanting. Amid the gyrations o f prices, we were
again reminded o f the Fed's steady commitment to ensure that the financial system has
sufficient liquidity, an example of the sturdy structures that remain in place to undergird
the soundness o f our econom ic institutions.

The simultaneous turmoil in securities markets at home and abroad emphasizes a
theme which is an integral part o f my outlook. Internationalization o f markets is, in my
opinion, the most important dynamic affecting the economic picture today.

We need

look no further than the worldwide extent o f mid-October's collapse in equity markets to
realize that events in one country's finances generate virtually instantaneous responses
o f unprecedented proportions in all the world's financial capitals. I will begin, then, with




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a review o f the national outlook and an assessment of our region's prospects, which are,
o f course, determined in large measure by what happens in the nation as a whole. Then I
shall discuss the major issues affecting the banking industry and leave a few minutes for
any questions you may have.

The National Econom ic Outlook
As you know, there are three basic measures o f performance commonly used to
gauge

how

the

nation

is

doing,

economically

speaking—gross

national

product,

unemployment, and inflation. I look for real GNP to expand this year at a rate of about 3
percent, and to com e in a bit under that in 1988. Unemployment has fallen from the 7
percent level, where it remained lodged most of last year, to just below 6 percent in
November. I am hopeful that it will remain in that range, which is a seven-year low and
close to what I consider the "natural rate" o f joblessness. Inflation, as measured by the
consumer price index, is clearly above last year's very low pace. Prices will probably end
up about 5 percent higher for 1987 and rise by a little less than that in 1988.

Developments in the international sector are critical to this outlook.

The higher

prices in this forecast are due in large part to the lifting of oil prices from very low 1986
levels but also to the rise in prices of other imports, which as o f the end o f the third
quarter were up 7 percent.

As for GNP growth, improvement in the foreign trade

situation will remain the engine behind our moderate but healthy rate of expansion. The
trade deficit is already shifting in our favor in real terms, although the gap between
imports and exports is taking longer to narrow in current dollars. Even in nominal terms,
however, the October trade deficit figure of $14.1 billion was a welcome sign o f some
improvement.

With this turnaround in net exports, and particularly in strong export

growth, we have seen an improvement in the manufacturing sector. Industrial production
is now 5 percent higher than it was last year at this time, and capacity utilization is the




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highest it has been in over three years.

Consumption, while slower than in past years, may be helped by international
developments.

The growth in salaries associated with manufacturing's rebound-factory

wages tend to be higher than those for service-sector jobs—should help bolster consumer
spending. Nonetheless, consumption, which accounts for about two-thirds o f GNP, is not
likely to be nearly as strong as in recent years—nor should we expect it to be. First, the
stock market plunge has adversely affected consumers' wealth. More fundamentally, the
low savings rate and high debt-to-incom e ratios that resulted from very high consumer
spending growth over the past few years will dampen household expenditures as we go
forward.

Another factor retarding growth in the consumer component o f GNP reflects the
beginning o f a long-term trend we at the Atlanta Fed have been predicting for some
time, namely, smaller annual increases in per-capita consumption.

This is largely the

inevitable "morning after" following the spending binge that we as a nation have been
on—both publicly and privately—almost since the start o f this decade.

Now we must

embark on what will be a rather long period of paying back to the rest o f the world some
of the debt that we amassed to finance that binge, and, of course, we have to pay back
not just the huge principal but also the increasing burden o f debt service. The only way
we can accomplish this task is by consuming less of our own increases in production and
exporting more.

International developments will also have a bearing on investment, a small but
important part o f GNP. First, recent stock market volatility around the globe has added
an element of uncertainty that clouds the outlook for investment even though interest
rates fell in the wake o f the crash. Second, by treating some aspects o f investment less




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favorably, changes in the tax code have exacerbated the e ffe cts o f residential and o ffice
overbuilding that occurred over the past several years. In time this should lead to a more
efficient allocation o f capital as the revised tax code encourages investment dollars to
be distributed more in accordance with the dynamics of supply and demand. In the near
term, though, there is considerable excess space to absorb.

Even in an environment of

lower mortgage rates, single-family housing is likely to remain weak at least until the
latter part o f next year. On the other hand, the fa ct that I look for exports to increase
means that investment in equipment, factories, and warehouses should be reasonably
strong as domestic manufacturers boost output.
com e up with little change in investment.
push GNP growth.

Combining the two components, we

Thus, on balance it will neither retard nor

As for government purchases, I am gratified that Congress and the

Administration have made some headway in achieving a permanent reduction in the fullemployment budget deficit relative to GNP, but we will need more of this since progress
on this front is vital to our economic health as a nation.

The effectiv e stalemates in consumption, investment, and government spending
lead me to pin much o f my positive forecast on an improvement in net exports. I expect
this improvement for two reasons. The first is the decline in the value o f the dollar in
foreign exchange markets. According to a dollar index developed at the Atlanta Fed, our
currency has fallen 30 percent against those of most of our major trading partners since
its peak in February of 1985. It has not fallen nearly as much against the currencies o f
Canada, our major trading partner, and the newly industrializing countries of the Pacific
rim, however.

From February o f 1985 to the end o f late November, for example, the

dollar was o ff only about 6 percent vis-a-vis the Canadian dollar and 8 percent against
the currencies o f countries like Taiwan, Korea, Hong Kong, and Singapore.

In this

current, highly volatile environment I would not want to speculate on what will happen to
exchange rates in the future.




I can say, though, that the currency realignment we've

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already had is starting to have a positive e ffe ct on our economy. In fact, exports began
picking up in real terms in the last three months o f 1986 while imports flattened. Real
net exports had improved for three consecutive quarters for the first time since 1980
before reversing course slightly in the third quarter o f this year.

Despite the third

quarter decline, which was largely due to an increase in oil imports, exports from this
country continued to show significant gains.

This seems to be passing through to our

manufacturing sector, which had been so adversely a ffected by the dollar's earlier
appreciation.

The second reason to expect a turnaround in the trade sector is related to
something that we are all concerned about, namely, that we cannot keep increasing our
borrowing from abroad indefinitely. For some time now we have been spending more on
consumption, investment, and government than we actually produce domestically. The
substantial expansion o f the federal budget deficit contributed to this situation. To meet
our financing needs, we have been borrowing from abroad.
tells us this cannot go on forever.

Of course, common sense

Our creditors may become less willing to lend, and,

just as any borrower eventually learns, debt service inevitably rises along with the debt
and becomes a burden.

So the time has come to start repaying. While GNP or national

output will grow at about the same rate in 1987 as it did last year, more of that increase
in output will be exported and less o f it will be available for domestic use.

While the

current market situation renders any forecast less certain, we can at least hope that the
stock market's message has been received in time for those in power to resolve their
differences and embark our federal government on a lasting course o f deficit reduction.

Outlook fo r the Southeast
What does this outlook imply for the Southeast, which includes not only prosperous
and fast-growing cities like Atlanta, Nashville, and most o f Florida but also weak or even




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depressed places such as Louisiana? The main factors that will determine U.S. economic
performance this year will also have a primary bearing on how this part o f the country
does. Continued stability in the energy sector is especially relevant to Louisiana and the
parts o f Mississippi that were adversely affected by the sharp fall in oil prices last year.
Lower unemployment rates in both states are evidence o f some improvement.

I feel

confident that they have reached bottom and are in position to begin to turn around.
Agriculture, too, remains depressed but at least exhibits encouraging signs. The cotton
crop is excellent this year, and prices are up. Except for feed grains and rice, total crop
output is better than last year, and a combination o f reduced acreage, higher yields, and
stable or higher prices is expected to improve net farm revenues substantially.

A few

years o f similar results could bring the industry back to health.

On a more immediately positive note, improvements in the trade balance should
ultimately spell good news for many southeastern manufacturers who were subject to
either intensified import competition or greater difficulty in marketing abroad after the
dollar appreciated in the early 1980s.

One particular problem that affected many

industries here is the failure o f the dollar to depreciate against major foreign
competitors such as Canada and the newly industrializing countries of the Pacific rim.
Consequently, the Southeast's important forestry industry continued to be hurt by the
influx o f Canadian softwood.

The same has been true o f apparel makers who compete

with clothing manufacturers in Taiwan, Korea, and Hong Kong.
situation has finally begun to show some progress.

Fortunately, this

In the first ten months o f 1987 the

dollar fell more sharply vis-a-vis Taiwan's currency, for example, than against the
currencies o f our other trading partners.

I expect such realignments to help.

Still,

foreign competition has led certain traditional southeastern industries to restructure
through increased automation.

This means that whatever turnaround the textile and

chemical industry and others in similar situations undergo is not likely to have a dramatic




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impact on employment. Any rise in output will generate some new jobs, but employment
gains will not be proportionate to advances in output.

Other locally important industries are likely to face mixed prospects this year.
Auto and related manufacturing, which is a significant and growing economic activity in
Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama, may not perform as strongly as last year if consumer
spending for durables tapers o ff at the national level.
and butter o f

Defense contracts are the bread

many of the region's electronics producers as well as makers of

transportation equipment like aircraft.

With spending by the federal government

expected to slow, activities in these industries may be somewhat weaker.

Stability o f the Financial Services Industry
My outlook for continued expansion should be good news in general for the banking
industry, whose health, as you know, tends to wax and wane with the economy.
Nonetheless, we are all aware of disturbing signs of problems.

A recent study at the

Atlanta Fed shows bank profitability declined further in 1986, particularly among the
smallest institutions.
large numbers.

This would suggest that bank failures will probably continue in

Last year, 138 banks failed—the highest in any single year since the

Depression, and with over 170 banks closed already this year, it is clear that the pace o f
closings has not abated. Fortunately, the failures we are seeing are not having systemic
effects, and the events o f the past month and a half have not shaken any depository
institutions.

There are, however, banking issues with far-reaching implications.

These

include deposit insurance, off-balance sheet activities, interstate banking, and product
deregulation.

In a sense these issues are all subsumed by the larger question of balance

between regulation and deregulation.

In some areas like interstate banking, we haven't

gone far enough, yet in others we seem to need new or tighter restrictions. In the time
remaining, therefore, I'd like to discuss some o f the major issues involving the banking




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industry.

Let me start with what I believe is one of the easier issues to resolve by simply
completing the movement toward deregulation that was begun a few years ago.

That

issue is—geographical barriers. We've come a long way toward geographical deregulation
o f the financial services industry and, in so doing, giving greater vent to the creative
forces o f market competition.

Approximately half the states have authorized, or will

authorize within the next 18 months, nationwide interstate banking, and only a handful o f
states have not shown any significant movement toward either regional or nationwide
interstate banking.

Despite the number of states that have at least regional banking

provisions, however, a hodgepodge of geographic limitations make the situation more
difficult.

In addition, most interstate laws now on the books prohibit de novo entry.

Thus we have not yet achieved effective interstate banking, and customers are still
deprived of the competitive choices in prices and services such geographical deregulation
would bring. I do not deny that the experiment with regional interstate banking—one in
which southeastern banks joined early on—has been a worthwhile move in the direction o f
breaking down barriers that are no longer viable, but we must remember that it is just
the first step in a longer journey. It is time to adopt a more systematic approach at the
national level toward what I feel is the inevitable and beneficial adoption of full
nationwide interstate banking, especially in view of the veritable globalization o f
markets—not just in the "real" economy as I noted in my remarks on the outlook but even
moreso in financial markets.

While the issue o f interstate banking is a relatively simple one to solve, other issues
on the road to deregulation are far less tractable. We have heard much lately about the
need to expand the powers allowed to banks so that they can compete effectively with
unregulated intermediaries which offer banking-type services.




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desirable goal, but in many respects it is theoretical.

We cannot move quickly from a

system that has been regulated and protected in such diverse ways to one that is totally
unconstrained. In most other sectors o f the economy, we could easily say that the strong
would survive and the weak fail and so be it, but we cannot really do this in banking. The
reason we cannot is that we are committed to insuring smaller deposits, and we have
often acted as if we are essentially insuring all creditors o f banks, except the
stockholders.

We must deal directly with the question of what we will and will not

insure~the boundaries o f the safety net~before we should permit banks to enter new
areas o f business. The cost of failures to the FDIC as well as to FSLIC ought to teach us
this lesson.

Deposit insurance is thus the most pressing o f all the issues we fa ce.

Until the

recent banking act was passed, the chief concern in this area had been the weakness of
the FSLIC.

Passage o f the act was a much needed measure.

Unfortunately, the $10.8

billion provided to bail out the fund appears far from adequate and thus makes it likely
that Congress will eventually turn to the taxpayers and bankers as sources for further
assistance, perhaps by proposing a merger o f the FSLIC and FDIC. However, aside from
this eventuality, which I know is troubling to bankers and even to most S&Ls, deposit
insurance is in need of more general reform to correct the problem economists call moral
hazard. By insuring depositors, something to which we as a nation have become deeply
committed, we inadvertently create incentives to bank managers to undertake excessive
risks, especially when their institutions are already facing declining earnings figures.
Thus, in my view, we cannot grant banks many new powers until we have devised a
measure to address this problem o f "moral hazard".

Several basic approaches to "fixing" deposit insurance have emerged. Some people
have proposed tying deposit premiums to risk.




Currently, banks* deposit insurance

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premiums are set at a flat percentage o f their domestic deposits regardless o f their risk
exposure, and capital adequacy standards are only loosely related to risk. We could also
limit deposit insurance coverage so depositors will have more incentive to enforce
market discipline on banks and penalize them by moving their money when risk exposure
seems excessive.

A less dramatic, yet still effective way to let the markets do part o f

the work would be by impelling uninsured depositors and holders o f subordinated debt to
exert more surveillance and discipline on institutions they patronize. FDIC proposals for
limited payout of uninsured deposits at failed banks and for greater disclosure of banks'
financial condition embody this approach.

Of course, if market discipline is to prove

effective, we also have to avoid bailing out shareholders and all creditors at failed
institutions as has been done in the past.

The second alternative is to improve the

identification and regulation o f risk. In an effort to come to grips with risk, the Federal
Reserve, the Bank o f England, and regulators in Europe and Japan are devising new
capital standards that account more accurately for banking organizations' overall risk
exposure. These standards break assets into several categories based on their probability
o f default and assign different capital requirements to each o f the categories. Changes
of this nature could provide a cushion for the insurance funds and help buffer the industry
from systemic risk.

Such a reform of capital requirements could also address the problem o f o ffbalance sheet items. Because they understate the amount o f risk relative to capital, the
proliferation o f products like standby letters of credit, interest rate swaps, and so forth
could lead to insolvency, not only o f institutions immediately involved but o f their
insuring agencies and depositors as well. Adequate capital to back up off-balance-sheet
items would limit inappropriate risk taking.

To be effectiv e, however, international

coordination is needed since banks around the world are placing more emphasis on these
products as sources of income.




The coordination between American and British

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regulators that led to the currently proposed guidelines on off-balance sheet items has
been a welcome initiative. I would hope to see such efforts expanded to encompass other
advanced economies.

I do not pretend to know all the answers to these complex issues. I am convinced,
however, o f the urgency of the situation. The same international com petitive forces that
are playing an ever increasing role in the U.S. and southeastern economy and which have
been a constant theme in my remarks today will push many o f these issues to some kind
o f resolution if we fail to act. The danger is that that resolution may not be the one we
would have chosen. With global capital markets, for instance, institutions will simply go
•'offshore” to offer services prohibited to them domestically, thus evading regulations
altogether and making it even harder for regulation to ensure its most basic end~the
safety and soundness o f the financial system.

As for the general direction in which policy makers should be moving, I'm afraid we
have to beware o f sweeping changes that would be categorized under a single rubric like
"deregulation.”

The current problems faced by many institutions and even entire

segments o f the financial services industries—S&Ls, for example—indicate that we
proceed with caution.

The real challenge to legislators and regulators in this by no

means optimal environment in which we find ourselves will be to avoid falling into the
traps of the past, such as waiting until problems reach crisis proportions so that we are
left with few options. We must also beware of focusing too much on the present and the
past as we try to help institutions make a transition through the short term into more
flexible organizations that are more viable for the long run.

As for the financial

markets—as opposed to institutions—I think we must focus not on program trading or
symbols of problems but on fundamentals like the federal budget deficit that have been
causing imbalances in our economy not for 6 weeks but for several years.




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Conclusion
I began my remarks by focusing on the nation's economy. The continued moderate
growth I foresee for business activity should help the financial services industry work
through some o f its current problems.

However, over the longer term the competitive

pressures faced by the industry require that lasting solutions be found for the problems
I've outlined today.

These solutions must not be just temporary stopgaps that actually

undermine the competitiveness o f institutions we're trying to help but rather measures
that help move us toward that long-run, theoretical goal o f more com petitive financial
markets.