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Statement by
Robert C. Holland, Member
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
before the
Subcommittee on Financial Institutions Supervision,
Regulation and Insurance
of the
Committee on Banking, Currency and Housing
House of Representatives

January 22, 1976

I am pleased to appear before this Committee
on behalf of the Board of Governors of the Federal
Reserve System to discuss Title I of the FINE
"Discussion Principles" relating to depository
institutions.
In discussing the wide-ranging proposals of
Title I, I think it might be most helpful to the
Committee if I summarize the Board's views pointedly
but rather briefly, and then stand prepared to answer
any questions you might have.

Some of these views are

not supported by all Members of the Board, but all are




supported by a majority of the Board.
When I appeared before your Committee last
December to testify on Title IV relating to the
regulatory agencies, I noted that your study wisely
recognizes the interrelation of many segments of the
Discussion Principles.

The Board believes this

interrelation is particularly significant in considering
Title I relating to "Depositary Institutions," and we
support the opening statement of Title I that "A
coordinated approach is needed to strengthen our
depository institutions."

- 2 However, a coordinated approach does not
necessarily mean that all such legislation has to
be enacted at the same time.

In our view there are

measures, some of which I will refer to in the course
of my testimony, that should be acted on promptly
within a longer-run framework of legislative reform.
It has been the view of the Board of Governors
that there should be coordinated changes in our financial
system designed to serve four objectives:

(1) increase

competition; (2) improve the flexibility of financial
inrtitutions to respond to changing neods of individuals
and businesses while (3) maintaining a base for effective
monetary policy, and (4) preserving a sound and resilient
financial system.

Although we may differ in detail, we

believe that Title I of the Discussion Principles
provides a good framework for the type of comprehensive
legislation required.
It must be recognized that powerful forces for
change are at work within our financial system.
Pressures of competition, technological advance, and




- 3 customer demand for different and expanded services
are bringing about many changes in the structure and
operations of bank and nonbank institutions.

The

most effective role here for the Congress and the
regulatory agencies is one of channeling and containing
these developments within prudent limits.
For example, institutional changes already
under way are blurring the distinction between demand
deposits and time and savings accounts, as well as
the distinction between commercial banks and other
savings institutions.

The public is holding an. ever

larger share of its immediate liquidity in interest
bearing deposit accounts.

Commercial banks and thrift

institutions are in direct competition for such balances.
On the other hand, during each period of relatively
high market interest rates, there has been a shift of
savings funds out of depository institutions into money
market instruments in order to maximize their earnings.
Whenever Regulation Q imposes below-market-rate ceilings,
this movement will undoubtedly reemerge as individuals
become ever more financially sophisticated.




- 4 For the sake of simple equity to savers, as
well as practicality and efficiency, removal of such
ceilings is a desirable goal.

To be sure, existing

rate ceilings could be rendered both ineffective and
unnecessary by a sufficient decline in market interest
rates.

Absent such a major downward adjustment in

market rates, however, deposit rate ceilings should
only be removed in stages over a period of time,
during which thrift institutions -- and perhaps some
small commercial banks as well —

could diversify their

investment portfolios appropriately.
Asset and Liability Powers of Thrift Institutions
Proposals 2 (Sources of Funds), and 3 (Uses
of Funds) in Title I of the FINE Discussion Principles
provide a means for gradually dealing with this problem.
We are in general agreement with these proposals for
broadening the investment powers of thrift institutions.
Such broader powers would allow them to invest in a
mix of assets on which the return is more responsive




- 5 to market interest rates.

With more diversified

asset holdings, thrifts in time would be in a better
position to pay competitive rates to savers at times
when market rates were rising, and problems of
disintermediation would thereby be diminished.

To

this extent, there should be greater stability of
flows of funds to thrift institutions, more stable
flows of funds to housing finance, a more equitable
return to the individual saver during periods of
high interest rates, more alternative borrowing
sources for consumers, and a broader range of
instruments and loan terms available to consumers.
Although the Board supports expanded consumer
lending powers (including the issuance of credit
cards and the establishment of revolving lines of
credit) and authority to invest in commercial paper,
corporate debt and bankers' acceptances for thrift
institutions, we believe that it would be preferable
to provide for a gradual implementation of these
powers.

The Board is concerned that the proposed

asset diversification could have an adverse




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impact on housing finance that might not be offset
in timely fashion by other proposals in the Discussion
Principles.

Gradual transition authority would assure

that diversification would not have a sudden impact
on housing finances, and would permit adjustments to
be made to deal with any stresses that might result
from the expanded powers by the same token, of course,
it would also prolong the transition period during
which the thrifts are gaining competitive vitality.
Such a gradual implementation would be
consistent with the proposed step-by-step approach
to the removal of deposit interest rate ceilings.
The Board supports the gradual phasing out of the
authority to regulate time deposit interest rates.
Because of the uncertainties of financial conditions
in years ahead and because of the difficulties many
institutions could experience in making the needed
adjustment to competition in interest rates, we
believe it would be wise to afford an opportunity for
final review prior to the termination of this authority.




- 7 We also believe it would be important to retain
the authority to reimpose interest rate ceilings
should a financial emergency arise.
The Board believes that the statutory
prohibition against payment of interest on demand
deposits should not be lifted forthwith.

That

prohibition is so deeply imbedded in the banking
structure that the decision to remove it should be
preceded by careful study of its possible consequences
and suitable preparation for dealing with the resulting
adjustments, and in any event such removal should be
accomplished gradually.
The Board also agrees with the Discussion
Principles' proposal to permit savings and loan
associations and mutual savings banks to offer
demand deposits and other third party transfer
arrangements, so long as careful attention is paid
to competitive equality, particularly with reference
to monetary reserve requirements and all other regula­
tions applicable to deposit accounts at commercial b a n k s .




- 8 The Board believes that a comparable expansion
of the asset and liability powers of credit unions is
an appropriate long-range goal.

In our view, however,

this increase in authority for credit unions should
be programmed on a step-by-step basis so that there
can be some assurance of a reasonably smooth and
safe adjustment in their operations and subject to
appropriate safeguards.
Relationship to the Federal Reserve System
Proposal 5 sets forth a recommendation for
reserve requirements that is similar to one made by
the Board to Congress in our letter of June 26 to
Chairmen Reuss and St Germain.

We wholeheartedly

approve of the Discussion Principles' statement that
all Federally insured depository institutions should
be required to meet reserve requirements on their
deposit liabilities and that all reserves should be
held at the Federal Reserve.







- 9 The Board believes that the enactment of
this principle into law would bolster the effectiveness
of monetary policy by maintaining, and even tightening
the relationship between bank reserves and the nation's
deposits.

The task of monetary policy is now complicated

because shifts in deposits between member banks and
nonmember institutions alter the relationship between
reserves under the control of the Federal Reserve and
total deposits, which constitute the major share of
the nation's money supply.

More importantly, withdrawals

from Federal Reserve membership are gradually reducing
the share of the nation's total money supply that is
directly linked to monetary reserves.

Management of

money and credit would be made more effective if required
reserves against all deposits were held either in
balances at Federal Reserve Banks or in vault cash,
since such reserves would be immobilized and their
total more readily regulated by Federal Reserve actions.
Equity among competing institutions also
requires that all institutions offering similar deposit




- 10 services be subject to similar reserve requirements,
particularly with the deposit functions served by
the various institutions being brought closer and
closer together.
The Board believes that these changes should
be enacted promptly.

To cushion resulting adjustment,

however, we favor the Discussion Principles' proposed
five-year transition for institutions that are not
subject to Federal Reserve reserve requirements at
the time of introduction of the legislation.
The Board also agrees that all depository
institutions required to meet Federal Reserve reserve
requirements should have "direct, full and equitable
access to Federal Reserve services, including the
discount window and wire transfer system."

The Board

recommends that, in broadening access to the discount
window, the Congress also provide for liberalization
of the present collateral requirements.

The law now

precludes the use of some sound assets and collateral
at our discounts window except at a penalty interest
rate one-half of one per cent above the discount rate.

- 11 We believe it would be useful to remove that penalty
provision and thus eliminate an indirect restriction
on the portfolios of users of the discount window.
For analogous reasons the Board is opposed to the
proposal

in the Discussion Principles that would

bar the use of loans to foreign borrowers as collateral
at the discount window.

All sound assets should be

available to help serve this important collateralization
role.
Competition
The Board is in general agreement with the
philosophy of proposal 1 concerning chartering and
proposal 9 concerning branching, namely, that there
should be greater opportunity for the formation of
new institutions and branches to provide needed




financial services and enhance competitive vigor.
In carrying out its responsibilities under existing
law, particularly the Bank Holding Company Act, the
Board has consistently stressed the importance of

- 12 improving competition and preventing any undue
concentration of banking resources which would
tend to reduce competition.
We support the proposal which would permit
Federal chartering of mutual savings banks.

We also

concur in the general principle that new depository
institutions would be chartered "if capital and
other requirements," presumably requirements relating
to safety and soundness, are met.

The implication

of this proposal is that sheltering of existing
financial institutions from new competition should
not be grounds for denial of a new charter.

We are

in agreement with this approach, so long as the new
competition is fairly based.

We believe, however,

there should be authority to deny a new charter
which might reduce competition, as, for instance,
a de novo charter to a holding company which already
accounts for a major share of the relevant market.




- 13 The Board believes there are many instances
in which branching across State lines could be
procompetitive.

However, the suggestion in proposal 9

that interstate branching be authorized if it is not
inconsistent with State law would, in itself, probably
not produce Federal branching across State lines any
time soon.

A roughly similar provision in the Bank

Holding Company Act has in practice served to confine
bank holding companies to acquisition of banks within
the State of their home office.
We believe Federal legislation to permit
branching across State lines should be confined at
present to areas where there is a pressing competitive
need or some other overriding public benefit to be
gained.

Such pressing need exists for the Board's

proposal to Chairmen Reuss and St Germain of
February 19, 1975, providing for limited bank holding
company acquisitions across State lines in order to
resolve possible large failing bank cases in a
manner consistent with preserving competition.







- 14 We strongly urge prompt action on H.R. 4008, which
contains this proposal.

Also in H.R. 4008 is the

Board's requested authority to waive the 30-day
waiting period for bank holding company acquisitions
in emergencies or failing bank situations.

This

provision, too, is needed now, and it has the added
distinction of having - - s o far as we know - - n o
expressed opposition to its enactment.
The Board supports the objectives of proposal 10
to improve competitive equity and increase competition
by extending trust powers to qualified savings and
loan associations, mutual savings banks and credit
unions.

We believe that such trust activities should

be authorized, however, only upon a finding of the
regulatory authority that the institution is sufficiently
large and strong to support a trust department, and we
would add the requirement that they also have qualified
personnel.

- 15 Proposal 4, dealing with disclosure also is
directed at improving competition by providing
depositors, borrowers, and investors with more
information than they now receive.

The Board agrees

that adequate disclosure by financial institutions
should be required in order to assist the public,
but it believes such disclosure requirements should
take into account the special characteristics of
depository institutions.

In particular, disclosure

should not impose reporting burdens disproportionate
to the usefulness of the information, and it should
guard against misinterpretation or "scare" effects
to which banks and other depository institutions are
particularly vulnerable because so many of their
liabilities are withdrawable at a moment's notice.
Given these considerations, we conclude that the
details of additional disclosure requirements are
best developed by the appropriate regulatory agencies,
in consultation with individuals and organizations
affected.

Indeed, the SEC and the Federal bank

regulatory agencies are presently hard at work on
this very task.







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Appropriate public disclosure of the general
financial condition of depository institutions is
desirable not only because it furthers competition
but also because of the market discipline it imposes
on the management of those institutions-

Some

reinforcement of existing regulatory discipline on
the management of these institutions is also needed,
as we see it.

Accordingly, the Board urges the

Congress to give prompt consideration to the joint
recommendations of the Board, the Federal Deposit
Insurance Corporation and the Comptroller of the
Currency submitted to the Committee on September 5,
1975, all designed to help prevent or correct
problem situations.

These recommendations include

provision of civil penalties for several violations
where only criminal penalties now exist, broadening
the coverage of insider lending limitations, simplifying
and making more effective the officer removal authority,
and authorizing, under certain limited circumstances

- 17 and subject to procedural safeguards, divestiture
or termination of a nonbanking activity by a bank
holding company.
Other Proposals
The Board supports the principle of proposal 8
(taxation) that as a matter of competitive equity
depository institutions with similar asset and
liability powers should be subject to the same Federal
tax treatment.
Proposal 11 provides that banks be permitted
to engage in the underwriting of State and municipal
revenue b o n d s , but that the present prohibitions on
underwriting of corporate securities be retained.
Over the past two decades or so there have
been a number of bills introduced in the Congress to
authorize bank underwriting and dealing in revenue
bonds.

During this period numerous arguments have

been advanced both for and against this proposal.




- 18 The favorable arguments generally focus on the
benefits expected to accrue to governmental units
in the form of lower interest costs and improved
market efficiency, while the opposing arguments
center on potential conflicts of interest and risks
of market concentration.

The Board, on a number of

occasions, has reviewed the question of extending
bank underwriting privileges to municipal revenue
bonds of investment-grade quality, and since 1967
has consistently voiced its belief that the public
benefits of such action outweigh any potential
risks.

In v iew of recent developments in the

municipal securities markets, however, the Board
would wish to make a fresh study of the situation
before reaffirming its previous position on this
matter.
Finally, the Board agrees with proposal 12
that the Congress await the report from the National
Commission on Electronic Funds Transfers before
legislating further in the area of new payment
mechanisms.




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I wish to thank you, Mr. Chairman, and the
members of your Committee for this opportunity to
express the Board's views on the proposals of
Title I of the Discussion Principles.

As always,

my colleagues on the Board and I stand ready to be
of whatever assistance we can in the important work
of this Committee.




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