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TESTIMONY

L. WILLIAM SEIDMAN
CHAIRMAN
FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION

ON

DEPOSIT INSURANCE REVISION AND FINANCIAL SERVICES RESTRUCTURING

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON BANKING, FINANCE AND URBAN AFFAIRS
UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES




10:00 A.M.
SEPTEMBER 25, 1990
2129 RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING

Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee: We appreciate the
opportunity to testify on the topic of deposit insurance reform.
The nation*s deposit insurance system is being buffeted as never
before in its history. Underlying the problems of the deposit
insurance system are the problems of the banking industry itself.
Significant changes in both the system and the industry are
called for, in part to reduce the exposure of the taxpayer to the
costs of the federal safety net.
Supervision, capital, risk: these are the foremost topics
that must be addressed in arriving at measures to restore the
deposit insurance system and the banking industry to health.
Supervision must be strengthened. Capital must be increased. Risk
must be limited. We will discuss these three imperatives in our
testimony today.
The Chairman of this Committee is to be commended for his
foresight over the years regarding troubles in the financial
industry, and in particular for his recent proposal from the
House floor concerning the current problems. Our testimony will
include some initial reactions to the Chairman's proposal. We
have also included, as an appendix to the testimony, answers to
the questions that were posed in the invitation to testify.
Because the FDIC is currently participating, along with the
other federal banking agencies and the Office of Management and
Budget, in the Treasury Department's comprehensive study of
deposit insurance, some of our testimony is preliminary in




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nature. That study was mandated by the Financial Institutions
Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of 1989 and is required to
be completed by early next year. The study will draw conclusions
and make recommendations on a broad range of topics concerning
difficulties in the financial industry.
But even though some of what we say is preliminary, there is
much that can be said with certainty. Some obvious truths can be
emphasized. Some fundamental problems can be highlighted. Some
underlying considerations can be pinpointed.
Our testimony begins with a review of the changing, and in
many ways deteriorating, state of the banking industry. This is
followed by a discussion of the three imperatives: supervision,
capital, risk. Then we turn to the structural obstacles to the
maintenance of a healthy banking system.
To be effective, deposit insurance reform must embrace these
structural problems. Deposit insurance reforms that do not deal
with the structural problems will produce few lasting
improvements in the deposit insurance system and will not
materially reduce the ultimate exposure of the taxpayer to
difficulties among banks and thrifts. The purpose of deposit
insurance reforms should not be to hold together an antiquated
banking industry.
Lastly, we examine deposit insurance reform in the context
of Chairman Gonzalez's recent proposal.




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A CHANGING INDUSTRY
Banks are operating in a competitive environment that is
changing significantly. Because of the legal restrictions that
control the structure of the financial industry, banks and other
financial institutions have been hampered in their ability to
adjust to the changes.
The changes may be characterized as consisting of three
interrelated trends: banking is becoming a riskier, more volatile
business? banks are encountering greater degrees of competition;
and what constitutes the business of banking is undergoing a
rapid evolution.
Probably the most pervasive piece of evidence that banking
is a riskier business is the number of failed banks. Between 1943
and 1981, the greatest number of banks that failed in any one
year was 17, in 1976. Annual failures increased dramatically in
the 1980s, however, reaching a peak of 206 in 1989. Also
increasing in the industry in the 1980s were net loan chargeoffs,
which reached a peak of 1.15 percent of total loans in 1989.
Regarding the increase in competition, a greater variety of
players are offering a wider variety of products and services. As
a consequence, the banking industry's share of financial sector
assets fell from 33 percent of the total in 1980 to 27 percent in
1987. The growth of the commercial paper market is an oft-cited
example of a specific inroad into the banking industry's
bailiwick. The amount of commercial paper outstanding grew from
approximately 10 percent of bank commercial and industrial loans




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in 1960 to almost 80 percent in 1989.
As for the changing nature of the banking industry, both the
proportion of loans in bank portfolios and the composition of the
loan portfolios have changed. The loans to assets ratio for the
banking industry has steadily climbed. The ratio was 22 percent
for the decade of the 1940s, 38 percent for the 1950s, 51 percent
for the 1960s, 54 percent for the 1970s, and 58 percent for the
1980s.
Among the changes in the composition of portfolios, the
proportion of real estate loans has increased over the years as
the proportion of C&I loans has decreased. At year-end 1989, real
estate and C&I loans accounted for 38 percent and 31 percent,
respectively, of total loans.
Both of these types of changes have increased the riskiness
of the banking business. Loans are riskier than the securities
they have replaced, and many types of real estate loans pose
risks not found in other types of loans.
Thus the banking industry, and the financial marketplace in
general, have been undergoing significant changes. Volatility and
risk have been on the increase. Because of the outdated
restrictions governing what banking organizations can and cannot
do, the industry has had trouble adjusting to the changes.




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THE THREE IMPERATIVES
Much needs to be done to reverse the decline in the fortunes
of the banking industry and to restore the health of the deposit
insurance system. But three needs stand out. Supervision must be
strengthened. Capital must be increased. Risk must be limited.

Supervision.

The essence of prudent banking is to avoid

making bad loans and investments. Unfortunately, all the rules
and regulations in the world are not going to prevent bankers
from making unwise lending and investing decisions. Adequate
supervision, however, can restrain, although not entirely
prevent, such decisions. Adequate supervision is built upon
hands-on efforts by competent, trained examiners.
Indeed, in many ways supervision is superior to regulation.
A number of industrialized nations have been highly successful in
governing their depository institutions through systems that rely
almost solely on supervision as opposed to regulation.
In the United States, there is a partiality toward written
rules and regulations. Fairness is viewed as requiring explicit
publicly-known standards. Such explicitness, however, can produce
a false sense of security. A law is passed, a regulation is
promulgated, and a problem is considered solved. Meanwhile,
unnoticed events are occurring that will lead to future
difficulties.
Thus supervision must occupy a central position in the
structure for governing the nation's depository institutions. The




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FDIC is spearheading an effort, in conjunction with the other
banking supervisors, to improve and enhance the supervision of
U.S. banks. This effort can proceed independently of the
deliberations on banking and deposit insurance reform. Indeed, a
strengthened supervisory effort is necessary to protect the
insurance fund and the taxpayers during the period when
appropriate reforms are identified and implemented.
Among the measures being actively pursued are: a policy of
conducting on-site examinations of all banks no less than once a
year? assignment of permanent resident examiners to all of the
larger banks; a uniform dividend policy that would apply to all
banks encountering difficulties? and a common approach to the
evaluation of loan underwriting standards.

Capital.

While the degree of risk in the banking system has

increased since the 1940s, the proportionate amount of capital
has remained relatively static. In the 1980s, this adverse change
in the relationship between the degree of risk in the banking
industry and the level of capital support was joined by— perhaps
even contributed to— soaring numbers of bank failures. These
failures in turn produced a fall in the ratio of the deposit
insurance fund to insured deposits to the lowest level in the
FDIC's history, 0.70 percent. The FDIC believes that the amount
of capital— the safety cushion— in the banking industry should be
increased.




Capital serves to protect both individual banks and the
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deposit insurance system. An adequate commitment of capital on
the part of the owners of a bank can curtail the temptation to
take excessive risks with the bank's funds. Curtailment of risky
activity at individual banks would result in a more stable
banking system and a healthier deposit insurance fund.
The federal banking supervisors recently reached agreement
on a minimum capital ratio for banks. This is only a minimum,
however. Over the long term, more capital is needed. How much
more is hard to say, but the amount should depend on the
riskiness of the activities insured banks are allowed to conduct.
In addition to higher capital ratio requirements, an increase in
the amount of capital for new bank charters may be called for.
This might help improve the staying power of new banks, which
historically have experienced a relatively higher failure rate
than have longer established institutions.
Although the FDIC believes an increase in capital
requirements is necessary, the increase should not be imposed in
isolation. Higher capital requirements should be accompanied by
industry structural reforms. These structural reforms concern the
product and ownership limitations of the Glass-Steagall and Bank
Holding Company Acts and the geographic restraints of the
McFadden Act, and are discussed later in this testimony.

Risk.

The level of risk in the banking industry has

increased over the years because, as noted earlier, the banking
business itself has become riskier. In addition, many bankers




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with less aversion to risk have appeared on the scene.
Regarding the latter point, by the time the financially
exciting years of the 1980s arrived, the numbers of bankers who
remembered the devastating times of the 1930s and the cautious
times of the 1940s and 1950s were few. The field of finance
became an arena for the robust, the daring, the adventuresome.
Concern about risk was not high on their agenda.
Perhaps the events of the last few years have restored a
healthy appreciation for, and fear of, the perils inherent in
financial activities. If not, additional excruciating lessons
might have to be endured. The ease of entry into the banking
industry can produce a degree of pessimism in this regard as
there is a steady influx of individuals who must relearn old
truths.
But assuming that the human aspect of the banking industry*s
risk problem has been mitigated somewhat, the problem of a
generally riskier business still remains. The best way to
approach this problem appears to be to limit the types of
activities that can be supported with insured deposits. In other
words, what can be done in a bank should be restricted. If a
banking organization wants to engage in riskier activities, it
should do so in nonbanking affiliates adequately separated— both
legally and financially— from the bank. This view is elaborated
upon in the discussion of structure in the next section of this
testimony and was first put forward by the FDIC in its 1987
study, Mandate for Change; Restructuring the Banking Industry.




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Determining the activities that could be conducted in the
bank— and consequently that would be supported by insured
deposits— is no mean task. The FDIC is taking a hard look at the
issue. One attractive possibility is to limit the bank to making
short and intermediate term loans that have no attributes of
equity instruments. All loans would be with recourse. Other
activities, including some activities that banks now engage inr
would have to be moved to affiliates.
In such a system, a distinction might need to be drawn
between larger banks and smaller banks. The difficulties that
smaller institutions would encounter in setting up holding
companies or separate subsidiaries, and the lesser danger they
pose to the deposit insurance system, might justify fewer
restrictions on their activities.

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Supervision, capital, risk: these are the three imperatives
that must be dealt with if the present troubles engulfing the
deposit insurance system and the banking industry are to be
overcome. The next topic in this testimony is industry structure,
a topic in which the interplay of those imperatives is
particularly pronounced.




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INDUSTRY STRUCTURE
It was stated previously that because of the outdated
restrictions governing what banking organizations can and cannot
do, the industry has had trouble adjusting to the many
environmental changes that have occurred. The outdated
restrictions are the Glass-Steagall Act, the product and
ownership limitations of the Bank Holding Company Act, and the
geographic barriers imposed by the latter act and the McFadden
Act. In 1987, the FDIC considered in detail the first two of
these topics. The results were set forth in Mandate for Change:
Restructuring the Banking Industry.
Two of the conclusions reached in Mandate were that product
limitations on bank holding companies and regulatory or
supervisory authority by bank regulators over nonbanking
affiliates of banks are not necessary to protect either the
deposit insurance system or the payments system. Banking
organizations should be free to offer a wide range of products
and services, with the major caveat being that many of the
products and services should be in uninsured subsidiaries or
affiliates of a bank rather than in the bank itself. In addition,
the FDIC in 1987 could discern no valid reason to limit the type
of entities than can own or be affiliated with banks.
Events in the three years since the publication of Mandate
have not vitiated these conclusions. Indeed, developments in
other areas of the world, particularly in the European Community
as it implements its 1992 program of reduced barriers to the




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movement of goods and services, have served to emphasize the
uniqueness of the banking structure in the United States. The
U.S. bank holding company concept is virtually unknown in most
other countries, and bank supervisory systems are focused on
banks rather than on any corporate owners.
Dissatisfaction with the product and ownership limitations
of the Glass-Steagall and Bank Holding Company Acts seems to be
fairly widespread among industry members, supervisors, and
legislators in the United States. There is less agreement,
however, on how the limitations should be altered.
One view, exemplified by Mandate. is that the supervisory
effort should be concentrated on banks and not on affiliates and
parent holding companies. Moreover, appropriate separations
between banks on one hand and affiliates and parent holding
companies on the other would permit banks to be part of larger
financial, perhaps even non-financial, organizations without the
necessity of subjecting those organizations to close supervisory
scrutiny. Riskier activities could be conducted in affiliates or
subsidiaries of the insured bank without exposing insured
deposits to unacceptable risks.
The contrary view is that any relaxation in the restrictions
of the Glass-Steagall and Bank Holding Company Acts should be
accompanied by strong supervision of both the banking and
nonbanking sides of resulting organizations. Underlying this view
is the argument that establishing adequate separation between a
bank and its affiliates and parent holding company is not




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feasible. Consequently, the entire organization needs to be
supervised. Moreover, affiliates and parent companies of banks
should be limited to certain types of financial activities, and
there should be no mixing of banking and commerce.
In Mandate. the FDIC came down on the side of focusing on
the bank and reducing the control over the holding company and
nonbank affiliates. The FDIC still believes that this is the
preferable approach.
The third structural obstacle to a healthy banking industry
consists of geographic barriers. Despite actions by the states
allowing, in various forms, interstate expansion by bank holding
companies, the free market ideal of no geographic restraints on
the banking business has still not been achieved. The mishmash of
state laws imposes substantial restrictions on bank holding
company interstate expansion. And the 1927 McFadden Act severely
restricts the ability of national and state banks that are
members of the Federal Reserve System to branch across state
lines.
Interstate banking restrictions have contributed to the
increase in risk in the nation's banking industry and to the
decrease in banks' competitive capabilities. For one thing, banks
have been hampered in attempting to lower risk through
diversification. Banks have also been constrained in expanding
operations to match the expansion of banking markets that has
been caused by technology and economic growth.




To summarize, structural reform of the banking industry is
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long overdue. To enable banking organizations to function in the
changing environment, the obstacles presented by the GlassSteagall Act, the Bank Holding Company Act, and the McFadden Act
should be critically examined. With appropriate changes in the
legal underpinnings of industry structure, banking organizations
would be in a better position to adjust to the ongoing revolution
in the financial marketplace.

DEPOSIT INSURANCE REFORM
Assuming the enactment of structural changes that remove
impediments to the pursuit of reasonable profits by the banking
industry, reforms in the deposit insurance system should be
designed to ensure that the industry and its customers bear the
appropriate costs of the government safety net.
There have been no shortage of proposals regarding deposit
insurance reform. Some proposals focus on the asset side of the
bank balance sheet. Others focus on bank liabilities. Still
others focus on the difference between assets and liabilities—
capital. And many approaches combine actions on all three balance
sheet categories.
Rather than review the many different ideas that have been
espoused, the remainder of this testimony sets forth some initial
reactions to the recent proposal by the Chairman of the House
Banking Committee. The goal of that proposal is to strengthen the
deposit insurance system by: providing and enforcing adequate




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capital standards? limiting insurance coverage and requiring
realistic pricing for that coverage? unifying the regulatory
system and making it independent? requiring regulators to act
promptly and decisively when an insured institution begins to
weaken? and making holding companies responsible for losses their
insured institutions incur. Each of these topics is considered in
turn.

Capital.

The need for more capital in the banking industry

has already been emphasized. Indeed, it is an imperative that
activities funded with insured deposits be backed by adequate
capital. Capital is a source of protection for the individual
bank and a bulwark for the deposit insurance system as a whole.
An increase in the capital requirements for activities
funded with insured deposits should take place in conjunction
with action on the structural obstacles to the restoration of a
competitive and viable banking industry. The product and
ownership limitations of the Glass—Steagall and Bank Holding
Company Acts and the geographic restrictions of the McFadden Act
should be reduced or eliminated.
Then, as capital requirements for banks were raised, banking
organizations would have various options regarding the movement
of activities to uninsured affiliates or subsidiaries. The
banking regulators would mandate the capitalization of banks, but
the marketplace would determine the capitalization of the overall




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company.

Insurance Coverage and Pricing. There is merit to many of
the proposals that would limit insurance coverage in one fashion
or another. But most of the proposals would also entail
administrative difficulties, some of them significant. The costs
of reporting burdens on individual institutions and recordkeeping
requirements on the FDIC should be considered before the adoption
of any proposal that would limit insurance coverage. Also
requiring consideration are the security and privacy issues that
would be raised if another extensive system of records were
necessary.
Administrative difficulties are only one area of concern,
however. Two other factors regarding the insurance limitation
proposals have more importance. First, reducing or limiting
insurance coverage might lead to increased instability in banking
markets. This in turn could result in reduced international
competitiveness on the part of U.S. banks.
Second, due to a widespread belief in the Too Big To Fail
concept— a better term is too big to allow a default on
deposits— a reduction or limitation in insurance coverage could
result in a shift in the competitive balance between big banks
and small banks. The latter would suffer. This would be the case
even though the FDIC does not in fact have a Too Big To Fail
policy.
What the FDIC does have regarding Too Big To Fail is the




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belief that the possible failure of a large financial
organization presents macroeconomic issues of considerable
significance. These issues can transcend the normal
considerations in a failing bank situation, leading to a decision
to prevent the bank from going under. A by-product of that
decision can be to provide 100 percent insurance for the deposits
in the institution.
The macroeconomic considerations cannot be legislated away.
The possibility that a failing large bank will be handled in a
way that results in losses to uninsured depositors and creditors
cannot be guaranteed. Consequently, many participants in the
financial marketplace have concluded that large banks are safer
than smaller banks. Reductions or limitations in insurance
coverage that purport to apply to all banks but in practice only
apply to smaller banks might exacerbate this discrepancy in
perception, leading to a flight of deposits from smaller banks to
larger banks.
Regarding proposals on the pricing of deposit insurance,
one suggestion would base deposit insurance premiums on the
riskiness of an institution's assets. The FDIC is required by
FIRREA to conduct a study of risk-based premium assessments and
to report the findings to Congress by January 1, 1991. The FDIC
is in the process of conducting this study. Although the ultimate
recommendation may well be to institute a system of risk-based
insurance premiums, it should be realized that any such system
will pose difficult, complex problems concerning the measurement




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of risk.

Regulatory Structure.

Regulatory structure reforms are

important, but they are subsidiary to issues of industry
structure and to questions concerning the deposit insurance
system. Issues of regulatory responsibility and supervisory
authority should not be allowed to obscure the more important
need to rejuvenate the health and competitiveness of the banking
industry. Nor should issues of regulatory structure be the
determining factors regarding changes in the deposit insurance
system.
Once reforms concerning banking industry structure and the
deposit insurance system are agreed upon, the difficult task of
improving the rationality and efficiency of the regulatory
structure can be tackled. That structure currently consists of
three federal bank regulators, one federal thrift regulator, one
federal credit union regulator, assorted peripheral federal
entities, and a variety of regulators in the fifty states.
Responsibilities are often overlapping and redundant. The concept
of functional regulation takes second place to the concept of
institutional regulation.
The elimination of many of the outdated aspects of this
structure would appear to be possible. One guiding principle
should be regulatory independence. Financial regulators and
insurers should have a degree of insulation from the effects of
the latest political fad or from the pressures of powerful




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economic interests. In addition, banking supervisors should not
be subject to a conflict of interest by also being responsible
for other important functions and objectives, such as monetary
policy, international economic stability, or revenue production.
Further considerations are the preservation of the statefederal dual banking system and the separation of chartering and
deposit insurance functions.
A more uniform, more efficient system is possible. But a
streamlined structure would make it even more important to keep
supervision insulated from political pressures and other public
concerns.

Supervisory Promptness and Decisiveness.

The FDIC agrees

that promptness in dealing with banking organizations in trouble
is extremely important. For the most part, the federal bank
supervisors have not failed to act promptly once troubles in an
institution become known. The difficult problem is determining
when a bank is in fact in trouble. This determination requires an
adequate supervisory program. As was noted in the discussion of
the three imperatives, the FDIC is working with the other banking
supervisors to improve supervision.
As for the necessity to act decisively, the FDIC again
agrees. Some commentators contend, however, that because the bank
supervisors have a certain amount of discretion regarding how
banks in trouble can be handled, there is a lack of decisiveness.
The S&L crisis is pointed to as a situation where too much




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discretion resulted in ineffective or no action and a consequent
compounding of the original problem.
There is no doubt that the S&L crisis has given supervisory
discretion a bad name. It should be remembered, however, that the
federal S&L supervisor, the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, was
much more a captive of its industry than are any of the three
federal banking supervisors. The FHLBB's lack of objectivity
resulted in large measure from the fact that it was required by
law to be something of a cheerleader for low cost home financing
and the S&L industry. Its mandate was to encourage local thrift
and home financing and to promote, organize, and develop thrift
institutions.
Reducing the current discretion they have regarding troubled
institutions would curtail the ability of the bank supervisors to
seek the least costly or least disruptive way of handling bank
difficulties. Supervisors are not perfect in their reaction to
troubled bank situations, but supervisory discretion has
contributed enormously to the stability of the financial system.
Supervisory discretion in the 1980s enabled the banking agencies
to avoid widespread financial and economic disruptions while
dealing with troubles in hundreds of institutions, including nine
of the ten largest banks in Texas and two of the three largest in
Oklahoma.
Moreover, reducing or eliminating supervisory discretion
would not, as some commentators contend, obviate the Too Big To
Fail problem. As previously indicated, that problem is much more




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than a problem of the deposit insurance system. The possible
failure of a large financial institution presents macroeconomic
issues that some arm of the government must consider.
There is a caveat to the FDIC*s view that a certain amount
of supervisory discretion is desirable. Regarding banks that it
does not directly supervise, the FDIC needs to be more involved
and to have the final say on who is to be protected by the
deposit insurance fund. This requires an increase in the FDIC's
statutory powers.
In summary, although promptness and decisiveness are
essential attributes of an adequate supervisory system for the
banking industry, it is unrealistic to mandate in advance
precisely how each troubled bank situation should be handled and
exactly who should suffer losses.

Source of Strength.

The FDIC has concerns about making

parent holding companies and nonbank affiliates of banks
responsible for bank losses. This so-called source of strength
doctrine suggests that all units within a financial holding
company are effectively part of a single corporate entity. An
implication is that bank regulation and supervision should extend
throughout the entire holding company to include not only the
bank or banks but also the holding company itself and any nonbank
subsidiaries of the holding company.
In Mandate, the FDIC argued that if there is adequate
regulation and supervision at the bank level, and if effective




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separation exists between the banks and the nonbanking entities
of an organization, there is no need for regulation and
supervision at the holding company level or of nonbank
affiliates.
A doctrine that puts nonbank affiliates at risk for bank
failures has many implications for the nation*s financial system.
If there is no effective insulation between banks and nonbank
affiliates, bank holding companies would be impeded in their
ability to expand into nonbanking areas because their investments
in nonbanking affiliates would always be in jeopardy.
Further, nonbanking firms might be inhibited from entering
the banking industry if all preexisting activities and
investments were at risk. This situation would reduce market
efficiency, restrain the ability of banks to be viable
competitors in the financial marketplace, and limit the ability
to obtain new capital for the banking industry.

CONCLUSION
Supervision, capital, risk? these are the areas in which
actions to attack the troubles of the deposit insurance system
and the difficulties of the banking industry are imperative.
Beyond these actions, a number of reforms regarding the legal
foundations of the nation's banking industry are needed. A danger
of the current difficulties facing the industry is that pressing
fundamental reforms regarding the industry's structure will be
neglected in favor of changes that either do not deal with




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underlying long-term problems or that exacerbate them.
Both the immediate needs— the imperatives— and the long­
term requirements must be attended to. In addition, the
interrelationships among industry structure, the deposit
insurance system, and regulatory responsibilities must be kept in
focus. Only an integrated approach will enable the appropriate
changes to be made, changes that will attack the causes of the
decline in the soundness of the deposit insurance system and deal
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APPENDIX— ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
This appendix contains answers to the questions posed in the
August 3, 1990, letter from House Banking Committee Chairman
Henry B. Gonzalez to FDIC Chairman L. William Seidman. Most of
the questions concern topics that are the subject of the Treasury
Department's comprehensive study of deposit insurance. Along with
the other federal banking agencies and the Office of Management
and Budget, the FDIC is participating in this study, which was
mandated by the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and
Enforcement Act of 1989. The study is required to be completed in
early 1991.
Because the study will draw conclusions and make
recommendations regarding the topics covered by many of the
questions, providing final answers now would in many cases be
premature. Accordingly, many of the answers given in this
appendix are designed primarily to identify the issues. In
appropriate instances, the FDIC's current thoughts are presented.
A further cautionary word is in order. The topics of most of
the questions should not be considered in isolation. Deposit
insurance reform is a subject that should be approached from a
broad perspective. How one particular issue is resolved will
influence how other issues should be resolved.
Moreover, underlying the subject of deposit insurance reform
is the subject of industry structure. The product, ownership, and
geographic limitations of the Glass-Steagall, Bank Holding
Company, and McFadden Acts are in serious need of rethinking. The




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route that industry structure reform takes will have an effect on
the many issues involved in deposit insurance reform.

Strength of the Insurance Funds: Are current reserves sufficient
or should we further raise assessments? Should we merge the two
insurance funds. the SAIF and the BIF. to_save—administrative
costs and ensure consistent regulation? Do the funds'— balances
accurately reflect anticipated future losses?

The FDIC recently proposed an increase in Bank Insurance
Fund assessments to 19.5 cents per $100 of assessable deposits.
Based on the FDIC's current outlook for the banking industry, the
increase should be sufficient for 1991. As with all economic
forecasts, however, that outlook is subject to change.
Although the FDIC does not believe an additional assessment
increase is warranted at the present time, greater flexibility
regarding the timing and magnitude of assessments would seem to
be appropriate. Such flexibility would enable the FDIC to respond
more quickly to changing economic conditions.
Merging the two insurance funds, the SAIF and the BIF, would
have little effect on administrative costs. Within the FDIC, the
two funds are not supported by separate organizations. Each fund
does not have a distinct administrative apparatus. The separation
of the funds is merely a cost accounting concept, with costs
being allocated to the appropriate fund.




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A merging of the two funds would also, by itself, do little
to ensure consistent regulation. Separate supervisory and
regulatory schemes for banks and thrifts would remain in
existence. Indeed, a thorough consideration of the issue of
consistent regulation would require investigation of the much
broader issue of whether there should be a legally distinct
thrift industry.
Concerning the question of whether the balances in the
insurance funds accurately reflect anticipated future losses, the
amount in the Bank Insurance Fund, as augmented by the annual
assessments on insured deposits, is sufficient to cover any
losses that the FDIC currently foresees. As previously indicated,
however, changing economic conditions could alter this
conclusion.
As for the Savings Association Insurance Fund, it will not
be used to cover depositor losses until 1992. At that time, SAIF
will be funded by assessments on SAIF-insured institutions.
Subject to limits, the Department of the Treasury will ensure
that the SAIF receives at least $2 billion a year through 1999 by
making up any shortfall in the assessments. In addition, Treasury
will provide any funds necessary, up to a $16 billion ceiling, to
ensure that a schedule of steadily increasing minimum net worth
levels is met by the fund from 1991 through 1999.
Whether these funding sources for SAIF will be adequate
depends on the condition of the thrift institutions that remain
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expires in 1992. There is growing doubt that they assumptions
behind FIRREA's funding of SAIF were accurate.

Capital: Perhaps the greatest deterrent to imprudent or riskv
behavior is capital. What is vour opinion about the importance of
capital requirements, including the risk-based capital standards?

Capital requirements are extremely important. Capital serves
to protect both individual banks and the deposit insurance system
as a whole. An adequate commitment of capital on the part of the
owners of a bank can curtail the temptation to take excessive
risks with the bank's funds. Curtailment of risky activity at
individual banks results in a more stable banking system and a
healthier deposit insurance fund.
Nevertheless, a general increase in capital requirements
should not take place in isolation. The banking industry is in
need of significant structural reforms. The ownership and product
limitations of the Glass-Steagall and Bank Holding Company Acts
and the geographic restrictions of the McFadden Act are hindering
the ability of banks to compete in a fast-changing financial
world. Any increase in capital requirements should be accompanied
by the appropriate alterations in these outdated laws.
One result of these alterations would be that banking
organizations— meaning banks, their parent holding companies,
their subsidiaries, and their affiliates— would have greater




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latitude to conduct activities from uninsured portions of their
structure. Then, as capital requirements for banks were raised,
banking organizations would have various options concerning the
movement of activities to uninsured affiliates or subsidiaries.
The banking regulators would mandate the capitalization of banks,
but the marketplace would determine the capitalization of the
overall company.
Regarding risk-based capital standards, the FDIC believes
that they can be useful. Because of limitations, however, riskbased standards do not eliminate the need for unadjusted capital
standards.
Identifying risk in advance is difficult, as is measuring
the riskiness of broad categories of activities. Indeed, the
categories can be so broad as to cover widely varying degrees of
risk. If attempts are made to narrow the categories, the result
is likely to be a system of costly and complex regulations. For
an example of how overbearing a system of risk-based capital
standards could become, one has only to recall the pages and
pages of regulations that characterized interest rate controls in
their heyday.
Implicit credit allocation is another problem with riskbased capital regulations. By making some activities more costly
than others, such regulations influence the flow of funds in the
economy. Some sectors of the economy may be deprived of funds
they would otherwise have received. And other sectors of the
economy may receive funds that ordinarily would not have been




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available.
Moreover, these movements of funds can themselves change the
riskiness of activities. More funds flowing to a particular type
of activity can result in the riskier niches of the activity
category receiving money that would normally have gone elsewhere.
Thus the average risk of the activity category increases.
Consequently, risk categories are not static entities. They are
more in the nature of moving targets.

Risk-based Premiums; What is the feasibility of risk-based
insurance premiums?

Section 220(b)(1) of FIRREA requires the FDIC to conduct a
study of risk—based premium assessments and to report its
findings to Congress by January 1, 1991. The FDIC is in the
process of conducting this study. The solicitation and evaluation
of comments from the public are being included in the process.
Risk-based premiums would improve a bank's incentive to
control risks. A risk-based premium system would also be fairer
than the current system in that banks engaged in riskier
activities would have to pay more for deposit insurance
protection.
It should be recognized, however, that a risk-based premium
system would pose difficult questions concerning the measurement
of risk. Furthermore, some of the criticisms of risk-based




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capital requirements that were noted in the previous question
could be leveled at risk-based insurance premiums.

Insurance Coverage: How much insurance should be provided to
individual depositors? Should we continue to insure an
individual1s accounts in an unlimited number of institutions?

It is almost impossible to consider in the abstract the
question of how much insurance should be provided to individual
depositors. The insurance limit is now $100,000 per depositor per
bank, and the pertinent question is whether this limit should be
changed. The answer to this question depends in part upon the
effects a change might produce.
There certainly is no current or foreseeable need to raise
the $100,000 limit. On the other hand, lowering the limit might
result in disruptions as depositors with accounts in excess of
the new limit withdrew funds to reduce or eliminate the uninsured
portions of their accounts. The possible impact of these
disruptions on banks and thrifts would have to be carefully
investigated before any lowering of the insurance limit is
seriously considered.
More generally, reducing or lowering insurance coverage
might lead to an overall increase in instability in banking
markets. This in turn could result in reduced international
competitiveness on the part of U.S. banks.




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Another concern regarding proposals to reduce or limit
deposit insurance coverage is the Too Big To Fail concept. Due to
a widespread belief in this concept, a reduction or limitation in
insurance coverage could result in a shift in the competitive
balance between big banks and small banks. The latter would
suffer. This would be the case even though the FDIC does not in
fact have a Too Big To Fail policy.
What the FDIC does have regarding Too Big To Fail is the
belief that the possible failure of a large financial
organization presents macroeconomic issues of considerable
significance. These issues can transcend the usual considerations
in a failing bank situation, leading to a decision to prevent the
bank from going under. A by-product of that decision can be the
provision of 100 percent insurance for the deposits in the
institution.
The macroeconomic considerations cannot be legislated away.
The possibility that a failing large bank will be handled in a
way that results in losses to uninsured depositors and creditors
cannot be guaranteed. Consequently, many participants in the
financial marketplace have concluded that large banks are safer
than smaller banks. Reductions or limitations in insurance
coverage that purport to apply to all banks but in practice only
apply to smaller banks might exacerbate this discrepancy in
perception, leading to a flight of deposits from smaller banks to
larger banks.




Regarding the specific proposal to limit the insurance
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coverage of each individual to a total of $100,000 across all
institutions, the idea has a certain appeal. The aggregate amount
of insured deposits would probably be reduced, thus reducing the
theoritical exposure of the deposit insurance funds to losses.
And a major purpose of the deposit insurance system would be
emphasized: to provide protection for the savings of depositors
of modest means.
Nevertheless, there are offsetting considerations. The
general concerns just discussed about increased instability in
banking markets and about the impact of the widespread belief in
the Too Big To Fail concept apply. And there is a further matter:
the likelihood of significant administrative difficulties.
A system would have to be devised to verify the total amount
that each individual had subject to deposit insurance. The
information would have to be continually updated. Such a system
would impose extensive reporting burdens on individual
institutions and substantial recordkeeping requirements on the
FDiC» The costs of the system would likely be high and would
ultimately be borne by depositors. The extensive records the'
system would require would also raise significant security and
privacy concerns.

Private, or Co-Insurance: Is private or co-insurance feasible?
What about a deductible form of insurance for amounts not covered
by Federal insurance?




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A number of private or co-insurance proposals have been put
forth, including proposals for a deductible form of insurance for
amounts not covered by Federal insurance. Most of the proposals
have some degree of merit. Each of them, however, entails pricing
and administrative difficulties. Presumably, many of these
difficulties could be worked out by the private sector insurers
themselves or in cooperation with the FDIC and the other
government agencies involved. Still, the costs incurred in
overcoming the difficulties would likely reduce the benefits that
are expected to result from implementation of any of the
proposals.
Of more importance is the fact that the private and coinsurance proposals would not result in an improved ability to
cope with systemic risk. If the banking industry encounters deep
troubles, it is unlikely that a private insurance system could
handle the situation. The government would remain the ultimate
risk-bearer.

Limit Insurance on "Super” Accounts; Should we eliminate or
restrict using deposit insurance for the super (greater than
SlOO.OOCn accounts such as bank insurance contracts and pension
funds? Should we restrict insurance coverage of so-called Mpass
through” accounts like 457 plans?




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Earlier this year, the FDIC, in accordance with Section
220(b)(2) of FIRREA, submitted to Congress a study on "pass­
through" deposit insurance (Findings and Recommendations
Concerning "Pass-Through" Deposit Insurance. Report to the One
Hundred and First Congress by the Federal Deposit Insurance
Corporation, February, 1990). The study reviewed in detail the
FDIC's regulations concerning pass-through insurance coverage.
Under the FDIC's regulations, the deposits of most pension
plans, profit-sharing plans, and other trusteed employee benefit
plans are entitled to pass-through insurance coverage, provided
the pertinent recordkeeping requirements are met. The deposits of
most health and welfare plans are not entitled to pass-through
insurance since the interests of the employees in such plans are
contingent and not readily ascertainable.
Regarding "457 Plans," which are deferred compensation plans
established by state governments, local governments, and non­
profit organizations, they do not receive pass-through insurance
coverage. The FDIC has taken this position because the Internal
Revenue Code denies the participants in such plans any ownership
interests in the funds of the plans.
Although the FDIC's regulations on pass-through insurance
comport with current law, it is time to consider changing the
law. The FDIC might be moving toward becoming the insurer for the
nation's pension programs. The public policy implications of this
state of affairs are not attractive, and the risk inherent in the
current situation suggest limitations are in order.




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Brokered Deposits: Should we eliminate or further restrict the
use of brokered deposits, particularly in undercapitalized
institutions?

Steps have been taken to better control the use of brokered
deposits. Some of these actions are relatively new, so the jury
is still out on their long-term effectiveness. Consequently,
brokered deposits will require further monitoring. The actions
that have been taken concerning brokered deposits are as follows.
As a result of Section 224 of FIRREA, undercapitalized
depository institutions are prohibited from accepting brokered
deposits without a waiver from the FDIC. The implementing
regulation, 12 C.F.R. section 337.6, uses a broad definition of
"undercapitalized.”

The result is that any depository

institution capital deficient by any measure must apply to the
FDIC for a waiver before accepting or renewing brokered deposits.
Waivers are granted only in certain instances.
Brokered deposits are also addressed by the FDIC*s new rule
on planned rapid growth (12 C.F.R. section 304.6). This rule
generally requires advance notification whenever any insured bank
anticipates growing rapidly through the solicitation of brokered
deposits, out-of-territory deposits, or secured borrowings. The
advance notification permits appropriate supervisory review of
the plans.




Finally, brokered deposits are monitored off-site through
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various analyses of call report data. More specifically, the FDIC
uses a growth model and an early warning model of financial
Problems called CAEL (Capital—Assets—Earnings—Liquidity).

"Too Big (or important) to Fail”: How can we set limits on the
regulators1_discretion on how to treat large institutions as they
Approach_insolvency? Are additional protections, like those we
provided in Section 212 of FIRREA for certain qualified financial

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contracts _needed for contractual and clearing relationships so
that those relationships will not be used as a reason for not
changing management, selling or closing the institution? Should
we raise capital reguirements for large institutions so that they
pay for being protected from closure? What do vou think of the
suggestion that we divide institutions into categories based on
^ize—and_reguire institutions in the same category to be assessed
for all_failures in that category? What are the international
issues involved in the insolvency of particularly large
institutions? Are we working with regulators from other countries
on these questions?

The Too Big To Fail problem is much more than a problem of
the deposit insurance system. Altering the present regulatory
structure in an attempt to eliminate the problem by curtailing
regulatory discretion would merely shift responsibilities. The
possible failure of a large financial organization presents




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macroeconomic issues that some arm of the government must
consider, and quickness must usually be an important attribute
of the consideration. The evaluation of the economy-wide
ramifications of the demise of a big bank is a government duty.
The quickness requirement means that the duty is best performed
by an existing agency.
Therefore, the FDIC believes that the desire to eliminate
regulatory discretion regarding troubles in large financial
institutions is unwise.
Regarding the raising of capital requirements for large
institutions, the FDIC would like to see more capital in the
banking industry in general. As indicated in the answer to an
earlier question, however, an increase in capital requirements
should be accompanied by fundamental reforms in industry
structure, allowing the industry to operate more efficiently and
to become more profitable. The structural reforms would permit
banking organizations to conduct activities in adequately
separated subsidiaries and affiliates not subject to capital
requirements. The linkage of capital requirement increases and
structural reforms would ameliorate any competitive disadvantages
that banks might suffer because of higher capital levels.
Making banks of a certain size category responsible for the
losses of other banks in the category is a suggestion that
triggers two thoughts. First, establishing the category
boundaries would be an exercise in arbitrariness. It is difficult
to conceive of convincing justifications for various size




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categories. Second, the proposal would not solve, although it
might somewhat alleviate, the problem of systemic risk. Despite
being relieved of the costs of some smaller failures, the
government would retain its role as ultimate risk-bearer.
The insolvency of particularly large institutions gives rise
to three categories of international issues. The first is simply
the effect that such an insolvency might have on the domestic,
and subsequently the international, economy. The second category
covers possible interruptions in cross-border clearings,
settlements, and flows of funds. And the third category involves
questions of responsibility for foreign branches and
subsidiaries.
These issues are among those being considered in a variety
of forums involving banking supervisors from different nations.
The Bank for International Settlements provides a major forum,
the Basle Committee on Banking Supervision. Another BIS body is
the Group of Experts on Payment Systems. And along these lines it
should be noted that the FDIC is holding tomorrow, September 26,
an international deposit insurance conference. The attendees
include representatives from a number of supervisory authorities
in other nations. A variety of deposit insurance issues will be
discussed, including the Too Big To Fail concept.

Foreign Deposits: Should we explicitly insure foreign deposits
and assess foreign deposits?




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The issue of foreign deposits is one of the topics Congress
explicitly required be considered in the forthcoming Treasury
study. Consequently, the following comments are limited to
pointing out some of the considerations involved.
Foreign deposits are without a doubt one of the more complex
and contentious issues in the area of deposit insurance reform.
On the one hand, since virtually all foreign deposits are held by
large banks, and since these institutions are more likely to be
handled in a way that protects most creditors, there is a very
good argument that these deposits should be assessed for
insurance purposes.
But there are several offsetting considerations. First, the
increased costs associated with assessments might reduce the
ability of U.S. banks to compete in foreign markets and adversely
affect their ability to promote exports from the United States.
Second, many U.S. banks might convert foreign offices to
subsidiary banks, thus perhaps substantially reducing the amount
of foreign deposits subject to assessments.
Finally, if foreign deposits are assessed, there is a strong
argument that they should be insured. This raises a variety of
further considerations. One is the reaction of foreign
governments to U.S. banks offering insured deposits in
competition with domestic banks. Another is the liability of the
FDIC in cases where a foreign government seizes a bank's assets
held in the host country without honoring local claims against




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the bank.

Secured or Collateralized Borrowings: What are the policy issues
involved in deciding whether to include such borrowings in the
insurance base for assessment purposes?

The addition of collateralized borrowings to the deposit
insurance base is another subject that is specifically required
to be covered in the Treasury study. The answer to the question
of whether such borrowings should be included in the insurance
base appears to be much simpler than the answer to the question
of whether foreign deposits should be assessed, however.
In bank failures, assets used to secure bank borrowings are
not available to settle the claims of unsecured creditors, one of
which is the FDIC. Consequently, unsecured creditors, including
the FDIC, receive less reimbursement on their claims as more bank
debt becomes secured. Another way of putting the matter is that
secured or collateralized borrowings can increase FDIC costs in
failed bank situations. Thus the inclusion of at least some
secured or collateralized borrowings in the insurance base would
seem to be reasonable.

Improve Information on Financial Condition of Institutions: How
would it help to strengthen the examination staff of the




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responsible regulatory agencies? Should all assets and
liabilities, on and off the balance sheet, be included in capital
computations? For what kinds of assets or liabilities is it most
appropriate to use market value accounting rather than cost or
book values?

The stronger the examination staff of a bank supervisory
agency, the better the agency can ensure the safety and soundness
of the banks it supervises. Over the past eight months, the
FDIC's Division of Supervision has hired, or made definite job
commitments to, over 600 new bank examiner trainees. The trainees
are primarily recent college graduates who are selected under a
highly competitive and selective placement process, or who meet
the eligibility reguirements to be hired directly under the
Office of Personnel Management’s Outstanding Scholar program.
In fact, 63 percent of the most recent hirees have met the
standards necessary to qualify as Outstanding Scholars. To attain
that status, applicants must have graduated from their college or
university with a 3.5 Grade Point Average or have ranked in the
top 10 percent of their college or university subdivision.
The recent hiring success should result in a field staff of
approximately 2,800 by year-end 1990, a substantial increase from
2,223 at the end of 1989. Nevertheless, the large number of
trainees coupled with turnover mean that the experience level of
the field staff is lower than in previous years. The critical
personnel challenge now facing the FDIC is to maintain the




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successful recruitment program while finding ways to retain a
significant percentage of those already hired. The FDIC expects
to continue to increase its supervision staff to implement the
strengthened supervisory program outlined in the body of the
testimony.
Both on and off balance sheet items should be considered in
judging the adequacy of an institution's capital. There are a
number of ways that capital adequacy computations can be made,
however. Over the last few years, the supervisory agencies have
devoted considerable effort to examining the various ways and
will undoubtedly continue to do so. Parenthetically, the riskbased capital guidelines currently being phased in explicitly
consider off balance sheet activities.
Market value accounting is still another topic that is
explicitly required to be considered in the Treasury study. In
general, market value accounting is most appropriate for readily
marketable items, such as securities that are actively traded.
It should be noted that bank financial reporting already
involves a substantial degree of accounting based on market
values. For example, both market values and book values for
securities must be given. Assets held in trading accounts are
marked to market. Repossessed real estate has been written down
to market value. And the market value of foreign currencies is
reflected in foreign currency translation adjustments.




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Determine Appropriate Capital Levels; What: problems are there
with accounting measures that seriously overstate economic values
or understate an institution's liabilities? What are the most
important accounting changes that should be made? How can we make
sure capital levels are monitored frequently enough so that
regulators can detect problems in time to act?

The primary problem regarding accounting measures that
overvalue assets or undervalue liabilities concerns the issue of
market value accounting and reserving. As indicated earlier, that
topic is being dealt with in the Treasury study.
Monitoring banks frequently enough to detect incipient
capital difficulties, in part through ensuring that asset
valuations are accurate, is a never-ending problem for which
there is no simple solution. The FDIC strives for a sufficient
degree of supervision through a system of on-site exams, off­
site monitoring, informal contacts, and information and exam
exchanges with state and other federal agencies. Efforts to
improve and update the procedures are continuous. A current
priority is to improve the on-site exam capability.

Subordinated Debt; What are the issues involved in using
subordinated debt to meet capital reguirements?




On one hand, subordinated debt can serve as a form of
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capital because subordinated debt holders stand behind
depositors, general creditors, and the FDIC in a bank failure.
Thus, subordinated debt holders stand to lose most, and generally
all, of their investment when a bank fails. Because of their
inferior status in bank-failure cases, subordinated debt holders
serve to lower the FDIC's failure-resolution costs.
Subordinated debt also adds a degree of market discipline—
a bank in trouble would not be able to roll over its subordinated
debt. From a bank's standpoint, subordinated debt is attractive
because of the tax deductibility of interest expenses.
On the other side of the argument is the fact that unlike
dividend payments, interest payments on subordinated debt are
difficult to halt in times of trouble. Additionally, an
undesirable feature of subordinated debt from the supervisor's
standpoint is that it can be used to circumvent dividend
restrictions. A bank owner unable to take money out of the bank
through dividends might be able to do so through interest
payments on subordinated debt.

Improve Enforcement of Adequate Capital; Commentators have almost
uniformly agreed that regulators' supervision and intervention
authority should increase and their discretion should decrease as
an insured depository institution falls into lower capital to
asset ratio categories. They have also suggested that those
institutions should have less discretion to take actions which




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have the effect of reducing capital. First, how should categories
like this be measured, bv generally accepted accounting
principles (GAAP) or market value accounting? Second, what do vou
think of the following proposal?
1. Adequately capitalized institutions with capital-asset
ratios greater than <8> percent for another specific number)
would be required to file periodic reports, but otherwise would
be permitted to conduct business within general guidelines
largely free of detailed regulation.
2. Weakly capitalized institutions with lower ratios
(between <6 and 8> percent, for example) would be subject to more
intensive monitoring and supervision at the discretion of the
regulators. Regulators could reguire a plan for restoring capital
to a specified level or they could make such measures mandatory.
3. Inadeguatelv capitalized institutions (with ratios
between <3 and 6> percent, for example) would be subject to much
greater supervisory scrutiny and reporting reouirements.
Dividends on eouitv and interest payments on subordinated
liabilities would be suspended, unapproved outflows of funds to
affiliated firms prohibited, and asset growth set at zero or
less. In addition, the institution would be reouired to submit a
plan for recapitalization or reorganization.
4. Solvency endangered institutions (with ratios less than
<3> percent, for example) would have to implement the plan
previously submitted or sell the institution under terms that
bring capital back




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to the level reouired within a very short
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time period. Failing this, the institution would be placed into
conservatorship.
5.

Close insolvent institutions: There would be no

regulatory discretion.

As noted earlier, the desirability of market value
accounting is a focus of the Treasury study. It was also
previously pointed out that financial reporting currently
contains a significant amount of information on market values.
Concerning the proposal itself, it has attractive features,
and indeed the approach embodied in the guidelines has long been
part of the bank supervisory system. Weakly capitalized
institutions are more intensely monitored and supervised
(guideline #2) than are adequately capitalized institutions
(guideline #1). Insolvent institutions are not kept in operation
but are liquidated or acquired by viable institutions (guideline
#5) .
Guideline #3 raises for the FDIC several issues regarding
its authority concerning inadequately capitalized institutions.
The FDIC has little power to control the actions of national
banks or state banks that are members of the Federal Reserve
System. And some aspects of its authority regarding the statechartered banks under its control need clarifying. In general,
the FDIC would like to have broader cease and desist power
regarding all banks. Further, it would like to have the explicit
authority to suspend dividend payments and certain subordinated




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debt interest payments in the event of financial troubles in an
institution.
The FDIC does perceive a difficulty with guideline #4. If
implemented, the guideline would seem to reduce the FDIC's
ability to resolve cases involving inadequately capitalized
institutions in the least costly, least disruptive manner. The
lack of supervisory discretion might be particularly constraining
when the troubled institution is large and issues with economy­
wide ramifications are concerned.
Although the guideline proposal is attractive, one caveat is
in order. Regardless of whether a form of generally accepted
accounting principles or a form of market value accounting is
followed, the sufficiency of capital depends to a large extent on
the quality of assets. And asset quality is best both ensured and
determined through adequate supervision. The establishment by
statute or regulation of capital categories would not alleviate
the need to maintain the main bulwark against capital
deterioration: adequate hands-on supervision.

Transfer of Uninsured Liabilities: The Resolution Trust
Corporation has been transferring a large number of uninsured
liabilities which would not be covered during an insurance action
(that is. a liquidation or payout). Is it cheaper for the
insurance funds to cover these liabilities than to do more
payouts? Are the current tests used bv the agencies to determine




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whether assistance_is_less costly than either 'transferring
deposits— or paying off depositors sufficient and accurate?

The RTC has not been transferring a large amount of
uninsured liabilities. In the 96 purchase and assumption
transactions arranged by the RTC through June 30, 1990, uninsured
and unsecured liabilities amounted to only $88.2 million, which
was substantially less than one percent of the $48.2 billion in
liabilities involved.
By statute, the FDIC and the RTC must employ, unless an
institution is considered essential to its community, a cost test
in deciding how to handle an institution whose situation must be
resolved. Comparing the costs of the various alternatives for
resolving any particular case is not a simple process, but the
FDIC and the RTC are satisfied that their current procedures are
satisfactory.

Firewalls :— Should we replace or supplement "activity restraints"
and "firewalls” designed to shield depository institutions from
risky activities of their parent or affiliates with
indemnification or liability provisions running from the parent
or affiliate to the depository institution?

The concept of "firewalls" has received considerable
criticism lately. The FDIC, however, is not convinced that




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separating the activities of depository institutions from the
activities of noninsured affiliates is impractical. If such a
separation cannot be achieved, there would appear to be severe
limits on the activities that can be undertaken by a banking
organization— meaning a parent holding company, bank and nonbank
subsidiaries of the holding company, and nonbank subsidiaries of
the banks themselves. The maintenance of a sufficient degree of
legal and financial separation between activities funded with
insured deposits and other activities appears to be possible.
One problem with indemnification or liability provisions
that go beyond current law is that they might prove to be
irrelevant. Risky nonbank activities that result in losses to an
affiliate bank are also likely to result in losses to the nonbank
affiliate engaging in them. Thus the nonbank affiliate might have
no assets from which to provide the indemnification.
A more significant problem with indemnification or liability
provisions is the damage they do to the concept of separate
corporate entities. This problem is discussed in the answer to
the next group of questions.

Liability for Losses: How can we provide for cross-guarantees or
codify the source of strength doctrine? What would the advantages
be of requiring owners of savings and loan and bank holding
companies to enter into net worth agreements ensuring they will
provide capital to troubled insured depository subsidiaries or




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affiliates if financial assistance from the government is needed?

This group of questions involves the same broad topic as did
the preceding group of questions: the degree of separateness that
should exist among the distinct corporate entities within a
banking organization.
Cross-guarantees among commonly controlled insured
depository institutions were provided for in FIRREA. The FDIC has
concerns about expanding the cross-guarantee concept to require
the nonbanking entities within an organization to support the
organization’s bank or banks.
This so-called source of strength doctrine suggests that all
units within a financial holding company are effectively part of
a single corporate entity. An implication is that bank regulation
and supervision should extend throughout the entire holding
company to include not only the bank or banks but also the
holding company itself and any nonbank subsidiaries of the
holding company. The FDIC has previously argued that if there is
adequate regulation and supervision at the bank level, and if
effective separation exists between the banks and the nonbanking
entities of an organization, there is no need for regulation and
supervision at the holding company level or of nonbank
affiliates. (See FDIC, Mandate for Change: Restructuring the
Banking Industry. 1987.)
A doctrine that puts nonbank affiliates at risk for bank
failures has many implications for the nation's financial system.




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If there is no effective insulation between banks and nonbank
affiliates, bank holding companies would be impeded in their
ability to expand into nonbanking areas because their investments
in nonbanking affiliates would always be in jeopardy.
Further, nonbanking firms might be inhibited from entering
the banking industry if all preexisting activities and
investments were at risk. This situation would reduce market
efficiency, restrain the ability of banks to be viable
competitors in the financial marketplace, and limit the ability
to obtain new capital for the banking industry.
These same comments would seem to apply to a variation of
the source of strength doctrine, net worth agreements by owners
of savings and loan and bank holding companies.

Limit Investments That Can Be Made With Insured Deposits: Should
insured deposits be invested in safer assets? What are the
advantages and disadvantages of such an approach, sometimes
referred to as a »narrow bank”? What are the different forms snrh
a bank might takp.?

The primary advantage of limiting what government insured
deposits can be used for is that the risk to the deposit
insurance fund would be limited.
A principal difficulty with reducing the types of assets
that banks are currently allowed to hold is the unpredictable




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effect the action would have on the major beneficial function of
banks: the provision of credit and liquidity to the private
sector, which results ultimately in economic growth. If deposit
insurance protection were limited to deposits that were only
invested in the highest quality securities, the result would be
less subsidized credit and liquidity being provided to the
private sector.
Furthermore, if deposit insurance protection were so
limited, the fact that lending for private sector activities
would be from uninsured funding could also increase economic
instability. A market economy, however, contains— even depends
upon— a certain amount of economic instability.
Despite the disadvantages of limiting what government
insured deposits can be used for, the FDIC believes that
restricting what a bank can do is necessary to protect the
deposit insurance system. If a banking organization wants to
engage in riskier activities, it could do so in nonbanking
affiliates adequately separated— both legally and financially—
from the bank.
The different forms a "narrower bank” might take turn mainly
on what would be the permissible investments. At one extreme
would be a bank that could invest only in U.S. Government
securities. As the range of permissible investments grew, the
bank would become "less narrow."
Determining the activities that should be conducted in a
"narrow bank" is no easy task. The FDIC is taking a hard look at




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the issue. One attractive possibility is to limit the bank to
making short and intermediate term loans that have no attributes
of equity instruments. All loans would be with recourse.
In such a system, a distinction might be drawn between
larger banks and smaller banks. The difficulties that smaller
institutions would encounter in setting up holding companies or
separate subsidiaries, and the lesser danger they pose to the
deposit insurance system, might justify fewer restrictions on
their activities.

Deposit Insurance in Other Countries: How is deposit insurance
treated in other countries, particularly as it affects branches
or subsidiaries of American banks and American depositors1
accounts in foreign institutions? What efforts are underway to
discuss deposit insurance reform and how to deal with
particularly large institutions (sometimes considered too large
to fail) with regulators from other countries? What do you think
will result from these discussions?

At least 29 other nations have some form of deposit
insurance system. The systems vary considerable regarding
membership, funding, coverage, and administration. Most, however,
have a ceiling on insurance coverage, with only a few nations
having higher limits than the United States.
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is accorded in almost all of the systems. A number of the
systems, however, do not provide for coverage of foreign currency
deposits held by either residents or nonresidents.
According to a recent study (Bartholomew and Vanderhoff,
"Foreign Deposit Insurance Systems: A Comparison," a paper
prepared for Consumer Finance Law Quarterly Report), nine foreign
nations provide coverage of deposits in domestic branches of
foreign banks: Chile, France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands,
Nigeria, Norway, Trinidad & Tobago, and The United Kingdom.
Seven foreign nations do not provide such coverage: Austria,
Belgium, Ireland, Japan, Paraguay, Switzerland, and Turkey.
Information on coverage of deposits in domestic branches of
foreign banks was unavailable for the remaining nations with
deposit insurance systems.
Deposit insurance is the subject of a conference the FDIC is
sponsoring tomorrow, September 26. Senior policy-making officials
from central banks, finance ministries, and other government
banking agencies in the G-10 countries will attend, as will
representatives of the Commission of the European Communities.
Along with other supervisory concerns, deposit insurance is
also discussed in meetings of the BIS-sponsored Basle Committee
on Banking Supervision.
The short-term result of these ongoing communication efforts
will be a fuller understanding of the deposit insurance systems
in the various nations. Longer term benefits might include
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domestic branches of foreign banks and the handling of large bank
failures. It should be noted that regular, extensive contacts
among the bank supervisors of the industrialized nations have
been the norm for a number of years and have resulted in, among
other things, close cooperative efforts when financial crises
with international ramifications have occurred.