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For release on delivery
10:00 A.M. EST
JANUARY 28, 1991

Testimony by

John P . LaWare

Member, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

before the

Subcommittee on Financial Institutions Supervision,
Regulation and Insurance
of the
Committee on Banking, Finance and Urban Affairs
U.S. House of Representatives

February 28, 1991

It is my pleasure to appear before this subcommittee with such
a distinguished panel to discuss H.R. 192, the proposed "Financial
Industry Reform and Capital Enforcement Act."

Financial industry reform

is one of the most pressing and important issues facing the Congress and
the nation.

The Federal Reserve Board, like this subcommittee, believes

that this topic should be placed high on the Congressional agenda.
H.R. 192 highlights two of the basic problems that need to be
addressed in reforming the financial services industry.

First,

institutional developments and technological change have altered the
competitive environment and made obsolete the statutory and regulatory
framework in which banks currently operate.

Competition in banking has

become more intense as a result of the technological revolution in
information transmission and processing.

These innovations have led to

an increased volume of transactions made directly between lenders and
borrowers, fostered new institutions offering bank-like claims and
granting bank-like credit, and permitted old banking rivals to become
more bank-like as well.

In this environment, outdated laws increasingly

are hindering the ability of many banks to service their customers'
needs.

But most significantly, American consumers are being denied the

benefits of a more efficient financial system.

These developments all

call for expanding the activities banking organizations are authorized
to deliver and— just as important— relieving them from the costly
prohibition of interstate branching.
The second problem is the potential liability of the taxpayer
for losses that banks may incur.

Over the years, moral hazard has

created a threat to the deposit insurance system, as expanding deposit

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insurance guarantees have greatly reduced the market discipline imposed
by depositors on bank risk-taking.

Consequently, some insured

depository institutions have been encouraged to take excessive risks and
to operate with eroded capital ratios that may not provide sufficient
insulation for the insurance fund.

Tragically, these developments have

exposed American taxpayers to liability for the insurance guarantees in
the thrift industry.

Thus, we need to develop legislation to limit the

size of potential taxpayer exposure for deposit insurance in the
commercial banking industry.

The pressing need to enhance the ability

of commercial banking organizations to compete by expanding the range of
their permissible activities only increases the need to avoid extending
the safety net guarantees to whatever additional risks may be present in
these new businesses.
With these concerns in mind, the Federal Reserve Board
supports H.R. 192's objective of expanding bank activities and
permitting affiliations of banking and other financial firms.
reform directly addresses the first problem:

This

the need for banking

organizations to modernize their delivery systems.

But the defense of

the safety net is not addressed as fully as we would like in the bill.
We are concerned that certain provisions of the bill spread the safety
net under a wider variety of risks and thereby increase the exposure of
the insurance fund.
To protect the safety net, H.R. 192 focuses on the regulation
of the bank subsidiaries of depository institution holding companies,
supplemented by an "early intervention" requirement that relies on the
parent maintaining the capital of the bank subsidiary.

Failure of the

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parent to maintain the bank's capital would result in dividend
restrictions on the bank and ultimately divestiture of undercapitalized
banks or imposition of a conservatorship.

Such an approach is generally

consistent with the Board's proposals last summer for a policy of prompt
corrective action.
The Board is concerned, however, that other features of the
bill may not provide sufficient supervisory authority to safeguard
the insurance funds.

The bill does not provide for an umbrella

supervisor for the parent and its nonbank subsidiaries, nor any control
over the capital of these units.

It will, I am sure, come as no

surprise to you, Mr. Chairman, that the Board believes that a federal
supervisor should have the overall authority to look at the whole
enterprise that contains an insured deposit-taking unit. Our experience
has reinforced our view regarding the complexities of inter-company
relationships within a holding company and the conviction that firewalls
alone cannot insulate a bank from the problems of its parent or
affiliates.

We have seen that pressures on the parent holding company

or nonbanking affiliates may well affect the costs and availability of
funding of affiliate banks.
While H.R. 192 looks to the parent to maintain the capital of
its bank affiliates, it does not give the supervisor the examination and
reporting tools to closely monitor or supervise the financial condition
or operations of the parent.

In addition, no realistic and timely means

are provided to ensure that the activities or financial condition of the
organization as a whole do not pose additional risk to the insured
deposit taker and through it, to the financial system or the safety net.

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Even if the potential for trouble is detected, the agencies would have
no specific cease and desist authority over the holding company and its
nonbanking affiliates.
It is true that the bill authorizes the bank regulator to
require divestiture of the depository institution when it is being
endangered by the activities or condition of an affiliate, but corporate
structures are often complicated, and without regular supervisory
oversight, discovery may be difficult.

More importantly, the

possibility of administrative and judicial challenges, the one-year
divestiture period, and the difficulties of proof under the proposed
statutory standard eliminate the ability of the bank supervisor to use
this divestiture provision in a timely fashion to protect the bank and
the insurance fund.
Moreover, it is not clear whether the holding company could
avoid the obligation imposed by H.R. 192 to maintain the capital of
subsidiary depository institutions.

For example, could the holding

company simply turn over a troubled bank to a conservator, passing the
losses to the deposit insurance funds and potentially to the taxpayer?
Any reliance on the holding company to recapitalize its subsidiary banks
would be greatly undermined if the holding company retained that
option.
H.R. 192 wisely recognizes that certain risky nonbanking
activities, such as real estate investment and development, should not
be conducted directly by a federally insured depository institution.
The Board is concerned, however, that the bill does not adequately
address the equally important issue of the conduct of such activities

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through subsidiaries of state-chartered institutions (where permitted by
state law) and the concomitant exposure of the safety net.

In our view,

banks should not use federally insured funds to engage directly in such
risky activities or to acquire or finance subsidiaries engaged in these
activities.

Experience has demonstrated that the market expects insured

banks to support their subsidiaries.

Even when an insured bank wishes

to assert corporate independence from its subsidiaries, all losses
experienced by these units are reflected directly in the income
statements and balance sheets of the parent bank and reduce the bank's
capital.

Thus, unlike holding company affiliates, a subsidiary of a

bank may directly reduce the bank's ability to use its own capital as a
buffer protecting the bank's depositors and the insurance fund.
We are also concerned that the proposed amendments to sections
23A and B of the Federal Reserve Act could increase the bank's exposure
to its affiliates.

The bill fragments the existing unified rulemaking

authority under section 23, giving each bank regulator the authority to
adopt its own rules and interpretations and to exempt institutions or
transactions from section 23A and section 23B limits.

In addition, the

bill amends existing law to allow depository institutions to lend to
customers of affiliates in order to purchase the affiliates' products
and services without regard to the quantitative and collateral limits of
section 23A— a troublesome exemption since, under the bill, commercial
firms may own or be affiliates of banks.
I should note that H.R. 192 places no limits on who may own a
depository institution holding company or what business the bank
affiliates may conduct, or on cross-marketing of financial or commercial

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This mix of banking and commerce, which would

raise serious issues in any context, is further complicated by the
weakening of 23A and B firewalls and the absence of umbrella
supervision.

Before the Congress takes what will amount to an

irreversible step, the Board believes that the issue of commerce and
banking should be carefully studied and that if Congress decides to
authorize commercial connections, it should be done in a carefully
supervised and phased-in manner with adequate protection of the public
interest.
The Board strongly objects to that provision of H.R. 192 which
apparently would limit the Federal Reserve's ability to control its risk
exposure from depository institution access to the Federal Reserve's
payment services.

This provision would deny to the Federal Reserve the

discretion that it and all lenders have to make credit judgments based
on all relevant factors.

Further, in an era of electronic payments

where trillions of dollars change hands daily, the bill would prevent
the Federal Reserve from acting promptly to deal with troubled
institutions accessing daylight credit from the Federal Reserve.

These

limitations could result in substantial losses to the Federal Reserve
that could be reflected in reduced Federal Reserve payments to the
Treasury.
In sum, we support the principle of wider activities for
banking organizations that is the centerpiece of H.R. 192, and applaud
its contribution to the financial reform debate.

This objective,

however, needs to be accompanied by safeguards to address the risks to
the safety net of new activities and to limit the transfer of the safety

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We would also hope that any banking

reform legislation would promptly authorize interstate branching.
Revising these outdated limitations would be extremely helpful in
reducing both bank costs and their risk profiles.