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Remarks bv
John P. LaWare
Member. Board of Governors of the

Federal Reserve System
to the
Bank Administration Institute. Delaware Chapter
Wilmington, Delaware
April 18. 1990

Good evening ladies and gentlemen.
to you about change.

But wait!

Tonight I want to talk

Before you yawn and say to your

neighbor "not another one," hear me out.

I know we have all been

subjected for years to after-dinner speakers who try to gaze into
the future and describe the different world it brings.

Indeed, the sixties brought several important changes.

The

negotiable certificate of deposit changed the way banks funded
themselves.

Debt appeared in the capital structure of the best

banks for the first time in a respectable way.

It was "smart

banking" to develop a source of long-term funding as lending
practice embraced longer and longer maturities.

And, on the

consumer side, bank credit cards and so-called overdraft checking
fundamentally changed the way individuals could access credit.

In the seventies, commercial banks became seriously
interested in real estate lending, seduced by the real estate

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construction boom in office buildings and both primary and
vacation residences.

The real estate and REIT boom and bust was

one of the shortest and most damaging lending cycles in history.
What a shame we bankers have such short memories.

That the

lessons of that fiasco were forgotten by the end of the eighties.
Another phenomenon of the seventies was the participation by many
banks in syndicated, so-called sovereign risk loans to developing
countries.

Some of the banks active in that respect had never

had a foreign department, never traveled to the countries to
which they were lending and probably couldn't even find them on a
map.

In the eighties the LDC chickens came home to roost and do
on the bankers what birds usually do on a roost.

But there were

new developments to excite the bankers and partially dispel the
gloom.

Junk bonds and junk loans to finance the buy-out,

takeover and restructure mania of the decade brought high rates,
high fees, high excitement, and high risk.

Securitization of

assets, beginning with mortgages and moving on into credit card
receivables, auto loans and even commercial loans has become
common with a highly beneficial effect on the ability of banks to
manage balance sheets and capital ratios.

Another stunning

development has been interstate banking.

Initially it was a

suspicious experiment under the guise of regional compacts.

More

recently the compacts are being expanded with trigger dates for
unrestricted interstate combinations.

All, I might add, without

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any help from a Congress paralyzed by an unwillingness to take on
the states rights debate which would have accompanied any attempt
to establish a federal prescription for interstate banking.
So much for history.
change.

It is a history of evolutionary

It has been primarily an expansion of products and

services with little effect on structure other than the beginning
of interstate banking.

Now, I believe, we are on the threshold of a very different
kind of change.

Competition, both foreign and domestic, has

intensified and money center banks operate in a global market.
Integration of financial services is a concept whose time has
come. Technology not only makes possible things once thought to
be flights of fancy, but it also creates new management
challenges.

We need changes in the structure of our financial

services delivery system in order to provide greater
competitiveness.

These are some of the issues which should be dealt with.

Capital will be a central issue.

The thrift mess, the Texas

snafu, and the LDC debt debacle all teach the same lesson.
capital!

More capital!

More

Now, more capital would not have

prevented any of those tragedies, but more capital would
certainly have made each more manageable and would have reduced
the casualty lists and ultimately the cost to the taxpayer.

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As we move to reconstitute or assimilate the troubled
institutions in the thrift industry, and rehabilitate the great
Texas banking companies, and as banks absorb additional
provisions to bring third world debt reserves to more realistic
levels, and recognize mounting losses in commercial real estate,
the demands of banking on the capital markets will be huge.

At

the same time we are beginning to implement risk-based capital
standards and some banks will need more than just retained
earnings to reach the appropriate ratios.

Will the capital market respond to that demand?

Well, there

is no question the capacity exists, but is there a will to do so?
Securities markets tend to measure their appetites in terms of
rates of return on investment.

I suspect the fresh capital will

go to the swift and lean, those with a better than one percent
return on assets and 15 percent or more on equity.

I predict a scramble for capital in the next few years which
will force banks to rethink their strategies.

New strategies to

improve earning power and improve risk management will be
required.

Restructuring, downsizing, market targeting, narrower

specialization and stringent cost controls will be common themes
— all in the name of capital.

And when bank powers are

expanded, new elements of risk will be added — risk which must
be matched against adequate levels of capital.

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Clearly capital adequacy will be a central issue for banks
in this decade.

Another issue, much in the news these days, is leveraged
buy-outs and takeovers financed with heavy injections of debt.
One emerging philosophy seems to toe that investors using their
own money are welcome to the junk bond market, and if they call
it wrong they are simply wasting their own assets.

But, there is

growing concern whether it is appropriate for banks, using
insurance-protected depositors1 funds, to participate in these
highly leveraged financings.

In Congress the usual reaction to a

perceived problem of this sort would be to regulate it in some
way or simply outlaw it.

In my opinion, either course would be a

mistake since the real outcome would be to allocate credit, and
credit allocation contradicts the basic tenets of a free market
economy.

I do think there is a substantial element of risk in this
kind of lending.

The risk is in failing to make a proper

appraisal of the cash flow coverage of debt service.

Is the cash

flow sufficient to absorb changes in interest rates, revenue
flows or asset values which are part of the forecast on which the
loan is based?

A stunning example is Campeau, where cash flows

apparently failed to materialize as projected and a seemingly
perfect deal ended in the bankruptcy court with unsettling

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effects on financial markets.

For banks the seductive elements

in these highly leveraged situations are large fees, new lending
opportunities and just the sheer excitement of being part of big
deals.

I have urged bankers to be more skeptical and to impose
higher credit standards in these transactions lest Congress be
goaded into action bankers will regret.

They must make sure

credit policies and procedures are sound and loan documentation
is complete.

Each bank must determine a prudent level of

exposure to highly leveraged financing in the overall portfolio
and stick to it.

And they must make sure directors know what

policies they are following and what limits have been set.
Finally, the directors should formally approve.

In short, if

highly leveraged financings are administered prudently, there are
not likely to be objections or interference from Congress or
supervisors.

Commercial real estate is a highly cyclical industry.

In a

time of boom, optimism runs away with good judgment and builders
and lenders alike assume that healthy absorption rates will go on
forever.

Builders become more expansive and more speculative and

lenders, believing they have found the mother lode, liberalize
their terms so as not to be left out of the party.

The biggest

and most common mistake is the notion that the real estate itself
makes the loan secure.

This approach ignores the often repeated

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lesson of market volatility that can materially lower the
liquidation value of a property in a matter of months.

Bankers

forget these lessons over and over again and supervisors have not
done a particularly good job of identifying emerging real estate
problems before they grow into crisis situations.

We

supervisors must develop better examination procedures to address
the problem.

We must also insist that bankers revert to sounder

credit standards and stick to them.

Much of the current concern

over safety and soundness is real estate related.

The problem is

there and it needs remedial attention.

Having said all of that, we must do all we can as regulators
to preserve and nurture the creative initiative to produce new
services and new ways to lend.

Creativity is an important part

of competitiveness, and competitiveness is the key to banking’
s
future success.

The other issues I want to touch on this evening are
structural, and the basic question remains:

Are American banks

competitive domestically and internationally with other financial
institutions offering similar services?

If not, are there

changes in the structure of banking institutions which would
contribute to greater competitiveness without compromising safety
and soundness?

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These are not puny issues which should be abandoned to
casual solutions.

When you stop to think about it, many of them

threaten long-held principles and sacred practice.

All of the

answers are not clear, but here are some of the issues which
bankers, regulators, and legislators will be wrestling with in
the immediate future.

Deposit insurance is long overdue for reform or at least
reformulation. In the beginning, deposit insurance was intended
primarily to prevent runs on banks and protect the banking system
from the contagion of panic.

After the 1929 market crash many

otherwise sound banks failed because depositors lost confidence
in the system and wanted their cash in hand rather than in the
form of a call on a bank.

Absent unlimited sources of emergency

liquidity, no bank can survive a sustained run, because its
liabilities on the whole are of much shorter maturity than its
assets, and many of the assets are essentially unmarketable in a
short time frame.

The original deposit insurance scheme was designed to
encourage the confidence of small depositors who would see a
FEDERAL deposit insurance system as keeping them safe from bad
loans and bad management at their bank.

In effect, it relieved

them of responsibility for making a judgment about their bank.
Anv bank whose deposits were insured above the amount which an

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individual depositor was likely to put with it was by definition
secure.

Without the discipline of potential runs, managers of banks
were more relaxed about taking risks, believing that runs would
not bring them to account.

That more relaxed attitude toward

risk-taking is what underlies the term ‘
'moral hazard."

Obviously most bank managements continued to respect and
serve the interests of both shareholders and depositors by
managing their banks to accepted standards of safety and
soundness.

But, relaxation of interest-rate constraints on

deposits created new competitive pressures and, for aggressive
risk takers, new opportunities.

Legislators and regulators

relaxed asset standards and the fox was in the henhouse.

I am convinced that the present sorry state of the thrift
industry is not a function of broader powers but rather of the
poor supervision of the way those new powers were exercised and
who was exercising them.

In the 90's we will have to clean up the mess and try to
make adjustments in supervision, regulation and the insurance
system itself which will minimize the risk of a recurrence of the
present disaster.

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All kinds of schemes will be considered, and if you have
one, don't be bashful about expounding it.

In the final

analysis, the Treasury will recommend adjustments which will
primarily be aimed at eliminating moral hazard while retaining
the confidence-sustaining characteristics of the present system.
Paradoxically, most proposals to impose discipline such as
deductibles and co-insurance tend to undermine the confidence
elements.

Given the ease of transfer, the threat of even a small

loss will cause depositors to run.

In a time of national malaise

that could be very contagious and destabilize the entire system.

The answers don't come easy, but the need for change is
compelling and it will be interesting to see what Treasury
recommends.

Turning to another issue, the United States has long held
that commerce and banking should be separate; that commercial
enterprises should not own and operate banks and banks should not
substantially own or manage commercial entities.

This issue will inevitably emerge as part of the debate over
further expansion of bank powers.

The recent experience with the

thrifts and the appropriate sensitivity to the exposure of the
taxpayers will dictate that, to the extent additional powers mean
additional risk, the exercise of those powers must be outside of
the protection of the federal safety net.

In that case Congress

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is likely to turn to the financial services holding company
structural concept.

In such a holding company, additional powers

would be granted to separate subsidiaries and the insured
deposit-taking subsidiary could be insulated from the different
risks of its affiliates by appropriate prohibitions or
limitations on inter-company financing or transfers of capital.

Functional regulation of nonbanking activities would assure
expert oversight for each activity and the integrated marketing
of related financial services provided by multiple entities would
significantly enhance competitiveness.

An obvious question arising from consideration of such a
structure is the ownership of the holding company itself.

Could

an insurance company or an automobile manufacturer own such a
company?

Well, Ford and G.M. and Chrysler are operators of huge

finance companies and G.M. has a large insurance operation as
well.

Is there an inherent threat to the country if one of them

or all of them were to own a bank?
or Gulf & Western and so on?

And what bout G.E. or Sears

By the same token, would it be

wrong in some moral or economic sense for Citicorp to also own a
life insurance company, an investment banking company, a computer
company and a real estate development company as long as Citibank
itself was insulated from whatever additional risks might exist
in those other businesses?

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This issue of commerce and banking will also arise because
of the recent history of the thrift industry where the ownership
of thrift institutions by insurance companies and industrial and
commercial enterprises is well established.
owns the nation's second largest thrift.

For example, Ford

Thrifts and banks are

operationally more like each other every day, although the
capital sections of their balance sheets may be somewhat
different.

Why then do we accept the relationship in one case

and not in the other?

It is high time we re-examined this

ancient issue, all of us, whichever side we are on, should be
vocal participants in the debate.

It may well be that pragmatic

considerations will override philosophy in the resolution of this
issue, if we find that ownership by a commercial enterprise would
significantly improve access of banks to capital.
not rush this one.

But, we should

We need to be sure w e understand all of the

implications before we act.

Uncharacteristically, I am not sure where I am on that
issue.

My tilt at the moment is toward change, but it is too

early on for final judgments.

Interstate banking on a nationwide basis is rushing at us
like a fast freight train, and whatever our individual feelings
are about that development, the trend is not going to be
reversed.

By the mid-1990's we will have de facto nationwide

interstate banking without the de jure blessing of Congress or

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repeal of the McFadden Act.

But, absent clarifying federal

legislation, we may be creating a whole army of severely
handicapped institutions in the form of multi-state bank holding
companies.

Consider for a moment some of the nightmare problems the
manager of a bank holding company faces with banks in ten
different states.

— First, he is forced into a holding company or multi­
holding company organizational structure because the McFadden Act
effectively precludes branching across state lines.

— That means ten different management teams; at least tent
boards of directors; and compliance with applicable state banking
regulations which may dictate ten different ways to handle the
same transaction.

— To the extent that there are state-chartered banks in
each state, there will be ten different examination standards to
be managed to and ten different examinations to be endured.

— Advertising, marketing, pricing, etc. may be subject to
ten different standards or sets of regulations and limitations.

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— And, if you are in more than one Federal Reserve
District, where is your friendly, helpful, fatherly central
banker?

Is he in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, or Cleveland?

— Given those operating constraints, can the multi-state
holding company really achieve the operating efficiencies that
will justify to analysts and investors the high price paid to put
the company together?

I predict that whether you are federalists or statesrighters you bankers will all be calling for reform to
accommodate more efficient interstate operations by the mid1990's.

One approach proposed will be legislation to create a

whole new class of federally chartered financial institutions —
multi-state banks or holding companies which would be federally
regulated, overriding state authority entirely.

In order to deal

with redundancy, repeal of McFadden will be considered to permit
nationwide branching in order to make operations more efficient.

Obviously many assumed values will change if all that comes
to pass.

Treasured axioms will be tested such as:

beautiful," "big is bad."
all costs."

"Small is

"States rights must be preserved at

"Local banks with local management and local

directors are the only way to assure proper attention to the
needs of the community."
unmanageable it becomes."

Or, "the bigger the bank, the more

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Some of those axioms are deeply entrenched parts of our
economic culture, but in the interest of adapting to the changing
needs of the economy and the requirements of competitiveness we
may have to discard them as we have done some others in the past.

For example:

It took us 125 years and two aborted prior attempts in order
to establish a central bank — the Federal Reserve.

By doing so

we rejected the once popular argument that a central bank gave
bankers too much power over the economy.

We chartered national banks and created a national currency
system to provide a sounder base for financing the Civil War and
to help stabilize the banking system.

A move opposed at the time

by many states and many bankers, but one which was critically
important to winning the war and stabilizing the monetary system.

Later, to meet the financial exigencies of the depression we
stopped redeeming paper currency with gold and ceased gold
coinage.

We also accepted more control over securities markets and
banks by the federal government in the 1930's in order to restore

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confidence in financial institutions.

Bankers accepted more

regulation as the price paid for deposit insurance.

All of those were painful, even heart-rending, changes for
the bankers involved.

But today we accept those changes and

generally agree either that they were an improvement or at least
that they were necessary given the call of the time.

Change is always threatening, almost always uncomfortable,
but it is also inevitable.

The issues I have presented for your

consideration today are only a few of the more obvious ones with
which we, you and I, will be dealing in the near future.

I hope

we can all approach the resolution of these issues with our focus
on what is good for the United States.

Too often in the past

banking and bank supervisors have been so divided on great issues
along parochial proprietary lines that Congress has thrown up its
hands and gone its own way, and that is always a risky outcome.
But if we reason together objectively I am confident we can
manage the revolutionary changes needed in the nineties to an
outcome good for banking and good for the country.