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6 1990
INSURANCE CORPORATION

TESTIMONY OF

JESSE G. SNYDER
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR
OFFICE OF SUPERVISION AND APPLICATIONS
DIVISION OF SUPERVISION
FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION

ON

TELEMARKETING FRAUD

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON COMMERCE, CONSUMER, AND MONETARY AFFAIRS
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS
UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES




9:30 AM
THURSDAY, JULY 12, 1990
ROOM 2247, RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING

Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee.

Thank

you for the opportunity to express the views of the Federal Deposit
Insurance Corporation on the important subject of telemarketing
fraud, particularly as it relates to precious metals financing.

The

FDIC staff has prepared detailed answers to the questions contained
in your letter of invitation, which are attached to this statement.

BANK FINANCED PRECIOUS METAL SCHEMES

We join in your concerns regarding telemarketing fraud, including
schemes related to precious metal lending programs, especially when
the situation involves a federally-insured financial institution.
The detection and deterrence of bank fraud are major areas of focus
for the FDIC.

In an effort to combat all types of bank fraud,

including schemes involving precious metals financing, we have
established a cadre of examiners who have received specialized
training in fraud detection and investigative techniques.

From our review of this matter, it appears that fraudulent schemes
involving precious metal lending occur infrequently and are primarily
perpetrated by precious metal dealers or brokers who are not related
to any particular financial institution and, therefore, would not be
supervised by the FDIC.

In 1987, in response to correspondence from Gerald Lewis, Comptroller
of the Department of Banking and Finance for the State of Florida, we




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reviewed the area of precious metals financing.

Comptroller Lewis

brought to the federal regulators' attention a situation of concern
to his office regarding telephone solicitations for the purchase of
precious metals.

In response to Comptroller Lewis' correspondence,

we conducted an informal telephone survey with the two regions, New
York and San Francisco, responsible for supervising the four banks
which Mr. Lewis mentioned in his letter.

Very shortly thereafter, in

July 1987, we examined two of the banks specifically for the purpose
of reviewing their policies, procedures, and practices with respect
to precious metals financing.

With the exception of Valley State

Bank in California, the other banks were not perceived to present
problems in the precious metals financing area.

Valley State Bank

failed in September 1987, partly as a result of its involvement with
a precious metal dealer.

At the June 10, 1987, meeting of the FFIEC Task Force on Supervision,
the subject of precious metals financing was discussed.

Based on the

small number of institutions involved in such programs, the task
force determined that this was not a significant bank problem.

Each

of the federal bank regulators felt additional regulations were
unnecessary and each situation would be better handled on a
case-by-case basis by the primary regulator.

The FDIC is aware of fewer than ten state nonmember banks, out of the
over 8,000 we supervise, which are, or have been, engaged in precious
metals lending.




In your letter of invitation, you indicated the

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Subcommittee had been advised of nine banks which were involved in
P^^cious metals lending programs.

One of the nine is a Canadian

bank, one is a national bank and two have been closed by the
chartering authority.

Of the remaining five banks, at least one has

ceased its precious metals activities.

We reviewed our consumer complaint records and found we have received
only one complaint regarding precious metals lending.

That complaint

was filed with us in 1987 and was directed primarily at the broker
from whom the consumer purchased the precious metal and not at the
bank.

recently contacted our eight regional offices to ascertain from
those most familiar with the institutions what types of precious
metals programs are being utilized presently.

Generally, the banks

are relying on the collateral value when making precious metals loans
and none are maintaining loan-to-collateral margins in excess of
80%.

Our examiners have reviewed the banks' practices and controls

and have been generally satisfied with their findings.

In December, 1974, the FDIC issued a Statement of Policy on Gold.
While this statement is directed particularly to banks involved in,
or contemplating, transactions in gold, the principles enunciated in
it are equally applicable to other precious metals or numismatic
items.

As a normal and routine part of our examination process, we

review the policies, procedures, and practices of the banks which
engage in these activities.




Any failure to give adequate

consideration to the Statement of Policy would be brought to
management's attention in the examiner's report comments.

As for the investor and consumer protection aspects of precious
metals programs, we believe these are best addressed by the Commodity
Futures Trading Commission, the Federal Trade Commission, and the
Federal Reserve System.

From an investor standpoint, we believe the

CFTC should be granted explicit jurisdiction, by statutory amendment
if necessary, over precious metals dealers, including registration
and licensing requirements and rulemaking authority to establish
appropriate standards for conducting retail sales of precious metals.

From the consumer protection aspects, certainly the Federal Trade
Commission should have a role, as well as the Federal Reserve System
which has unfair and deceptive practices jurisdiction with respect to
the banking industry.

While we are not advocating additional bank

regulation in this area, and do not believe it is necessary, the FDIC
stands ready to enforce whatever requirements or standards are
developed by these agencies insofar as they may apply to insured
nonmember banks under our supervisory jurisdiction.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I would be happy to answer any questions

you or other members of the Subcommittee may have.