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Comments on
“Market Tantrums and Monetary Policy,” a paper by
Michael Feroli, Anil K. Kashyap, Kermit Schoenholtz, and Hyun Song Shin

Remarks by
Jeremy C. Stein
Member
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
at the
2014 U.S. Monetary Policy Forum,
sponsored by the Initiative on Global Markets
at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business
New York, New York

February 28, 2014

I am delighted to have the opportunity to discuss the paper “Market Tantrums and
Monetary Policy.” It is timely, provocative, and extremely insightful. Let me start by
summarizing what I take to be the paper’s main messages.1 First, the authors argue that
policymakers should pay careful attention not just to measures of leverage in the banking
and shadow banking sectors, but also to the financial stability risks that might arise from
the behavior of unlevered asset managers, such as those running various types of bond
funds. Notably, assets under management in fixed-income funds have grown
dramatically in the years since the onset of the financial crisis, even while various
measures of financial-sector leverage have either continued to decline or remained
subdued.
Second, the authors develop a model of agency problems in delegated asset
management, according to which an environment of low short-term rates can encourage
asset managers concerned with their relative performance rankings to “reach for yield,”
which in turn acts to compress risk premiums. Moreover, the model has the feature that
this reach for yield can end badly, with a sudden and sharp correction in risk premiums
that arises endogenously in response to a small tightening of monetary policy. The
events of the spring and summer of 2013, when there was a rapid rise in bond market
term premiums, are cited as a leading example of what the model sets out to capture.
Third, the authors assert that the conventional regulatory toolkit, which is largely
designed to contain intermediary leverage, is not well suited to dealing with the assetmanagement sector. Given this limitation of regulation, and because monetary policy has
a direct influence on the behavior of asset managers, the financial stability risks that these
1

The views expressed here are my own and are not necessarily shared by other members of the Federal
Reserve Board and the Federal Open Market Committee. I am grateful to Nellie Liang for helpful
conversations.

-2managers create should be factored into the design and conduct of monetary policy.
Presumably, this consideration would imply that monetary policy should be somewhat
less easy in a weak economy, all else being equal, to reduce the probability of an
undesirable upward spike in rates and credit spreads down the road. The authors are
careful to note that “our analysis neither invalidates nor validates the course the Federal
Reserve has actually taken.”2 Rather, they are highlighting a set of considerations that
they believe should ultimately be incorporated into the design of a monetary policy
framework. This is the spirit in which I will discuss the paper--not as a comment on the
current stance of policy, but as an exploration of the factors that should be taken into
account when thinking about the tradeoffs associated with monetary policy more
generally.
The model in the paper is a simple one, and it does a nice job of framing the
issues. In particular, here is how I think about the value-added of the theory: On the one
hand, an emerging body of empirical work documents that an easing of monetary policy-even via conventional policy tools in normal times--tends to reduce both the term
premiums on long-term Treasury bonds and the credit spreads on corporate bonds.3 That
is, monetary policy tends to work in part through its effect on capital market risk
premiums, perhaps through some sort of risk-taking or reaching-for-yield mechanism.
On the other hand, while this empirical observation sheds some interesting light
on how monetary policy influences the real economy, it does not by itself suggest that
there is any financial stability dark side to the lowered risk premiums that go with

2

See Feroli and others (2014), p. 6.
See, for example, Hanson and Stein (2012); Gertler and Karadi (2013); and Gilchrist, Lopez-Salido, and
Zakrajsek (2013).
3

-3monetary accommodation. For there to be any meaningful tradeoff, there would have to
be some sort of asymmetry in the unwinding of these risk premiums, whereby the
eventual reversal either happens more abruptly, or causes larger economic effects, than
the initial compression. Said a little differently, if an easing of Federal Reserve policy
puts downward pressure on term premiums and credit spreads, and if this downward
pressure is only gradually reversed as policy begins to tighten, then what is the problem?
The nice feature of the model is that it speaks to this asymmetry. That is, it
features a gradual compression of risk spreads during a period of monetary ease, and
then, when policy begins to tighten, it delivers a sharp and abrupt correction, driven by a
particular form of market dynamics.
Of course, this is just a theoretical prediction. One thing that the paper does not
do, but which would be very helpful in assessing the real-world relevance of the model,
would be to see if this sort of asymmetry in bond returns is present in the data. In
particular, if I am interpreting the model correctly, it implies a specific form of
conditional volatility and skewness in bond returns. For example, when term premiums
are unusually low relative to historical norms, the model suggests an elevated probability
of a sharp upward spike in rates. I don’t know of any evidence that bears on this
hypothesis in the bond market, though an analogous pattern does appear in stock market
returns.4

4

See Chen, Hong, and Stein (2001). They document that, consistent with a “bubble popping” view, stock
returns are more negatively skewed when past returns have been positive and when valuation ratios (for
example, market-to-book ratios) are high. Alternatively, the ratio of downside to upside volatility is
unusually high in such circumstances.

-4It is worth saying a little about the “musical chairs” mechanism that leads to the
sharp spike in rates. The fund managers in the model care about their relative
performance in that they are averse to posting lower returns than their peers, holding
fixed absolute performance. These relative-performance concerns induce a form of
strategic complementarity of fund manager actions. Specifically, as short-term rates
begin to rise and fund manager i contemplates whether she should bail out of long-term
bonds and move into short-term bills, she is more apt to do so if she thinks that some
other manager, j, is also going to bail--because she is worried that otherwise, she may
wind up underperforming manager j and finishing last in the relative-performance
tournament.
While appearing in a different guise here, this strategic-complementarity effect-the idea that any one agent is in more of a rush to get out when he or she thinks that
others may also want to get out--is essentially the same mechanism that drives bank runs
in the classic work of Diamond and Dybvig, and that, in one manifestation or another,
creates financial fragility in many other settings.5 However, one thing that is distinctive
about the variant presented in the current paper is that there is a clear prediction of
exactly what sets off the run for the exits on the part of money managers--namely, a small
increase in short rates beyond a certain threshold level.6
The model focuses on one particular source of run-like fragility that might
emanate from the asset-management sector, but there are others. One that the paper

5

See Diamond and Dybvig (1983).
This feature is in contrast to many other models in the Diamond-Dybvig (1983) tradition, which have
multiple equilibria and hence convey a sense of fragility, but have less to say about what underlying
variable tips the scales toward a run-like equilibrium. The more pinned-down nature of the model in this
paper comes from an application of the global-games methodology described in Morris and Shin (2003).
6

-5briefly mentions, and that is worth a fuller treatment, has to do with the potential for
outflows of assets under management (AUM) from open-end funds. Note that the model
is effectively one of a closed-end fund, since the manager is assumed to have a fixed
amount of AUM; the fragility, in this case, comes entirely from the manager’s portfolio
allocation decision and from the strategic interaction among fund managers. But another
source of run-like risk comes from the strategic interaction among fund investors and the
incentives that each of them may have to get out before others do when asset values are at
risk of declining.
These AUM-driven run dynamics are more likely to arise in those open-end funds
that hold relatively illiquid assets. The key question in determining whether there is a
strategic complementarity in the withdrawal decisions of fund investors is, When investor
i exits on day t, does the net asset value (NAV) at the end of the day that defines investor
i’s exit price fully reflect the ultimate price effect of the sales created by his exit? If not,
those investors who stay behind are hurt, which is what creates run incentives. And, if
the run incentives are strong enough, then a credit-oriented bond fund starts looking
pretty bank-like. The fact that its liabilities are not technically debt claims is not all that
helpful in this case--they are still demandable, and hence investors can pull out very
rapidly if the terms of exit create a penalty for being last out the door.
A fund’s stated NAV is less likely to keep pace with the ultimate price impact of
investor withdrawals if the underlying assets are illiquid, for two distinct reasons. First,
some of the assets are likely to have stale prices--that is, not to have been recently
marked to market. And, second, if most of a fund’s assets are illiquid securities, its

-6manager will be inclined to accommodate early exits by drawing down on the fund’s cash
reserve while planning to sell securities and replenish the cash stock later.
Why, at the end of the day, should one care if run-like incentives come
predominantly from the strategic behavior of fund investors, as opposed to that of fund
managers? Isn’t there the same worrisome fragility in either case? Perhaps, but the
policy response may differ depending on the exact diagnosis. In the former case, when
the primary worry is AUM runs on the part of investors, there is at least in principle a
natural regulatory fix: One could impose exit fees on open-end funds that are related to
the illiquidity of the funds’ assets, in an effort to make departing investors more fully
internalize the costs that they impose on those who stay behind. In the latter case, when
the problem is driven more by the portfolio choices of fund managers, it is harder for me
to see an obvious regulatory response, so I am more inclined to share the authors’ view
that if there is, indeed, a significant financial stability problem, monetary policy would be
left to take up some of the slack.
To be clear, I am not advocating for exit fees of the sort I just described; I do not
think we know enough about the empirical relevance of the AUM-run mechanism, to say
nothing of its quantitative importance, to be making such recommendations at this point.
But, given the detailed nature of the microdata that are available on individual fund
holdings and returns, there is clearly room to make significant further progress on this
front. Indeed, recent work by Chen, Goldstein, and Jiang is very much in this spirit,
although it restricts its analysis to equity funds and doesn’t consider the fixed-income
categories that are the focus of the current paper.7

7

See Chen, Goldstein, and Jiang (2010).

-7With this framing in mind, let me comment briefly on the empirical work in the
paper. There is a lot of it, and I will just touch on a couple of points. A first observation
is that the heavy focus on flows in and out of funds is a bit at odds with the theoretical
model. As I mentioned earlier, the model, taken literally, is one of closed-end funds with
fixed AUM. If one were interested in testing the specific mechanism in the model most
directly, it seems to me that one would want to look not at fund flows but rather at the
portfolio allocations within each fund. For example, the model suggests that, during the
unfolding of an episode of bond market volatility like the one in the spring and summer
of last year, we should see a coordinated shift among bond managers out of long-term
bonds and into bills so that the average durations of their portfolios would co-move
strongly together. There is a well-developed empirical literature on herding among fund
managers in their portfolio allocations, but, as far as I know, this work has not looked at
how such herding responds to changes in the monetary policy environment.8 So this
avenue seems like a potentially promising one to pursue.
The paper’s focus on flows in and out of funds is, however, well suited to
thinking about mechanisms related to AUM-run dynamics. In this regard, a particularly
interesting set of findings has to do with the ability of flows to forecast future asset
returns, even controlling for past returns. And, most notably, this forecasting effect is
much stronger in the less liquid high-yield and emerging market categories than it is in
U.S. Treasury securities; indeed, it is essentially nonexistent in the latter category. While
not a decisive test, this pattern is consistent with one of the necessary preconditions for
the existence of strategic complementarities and run-like dynamics. Again, the key idea

8

Chevalier and Ellison (1999) is a classic reference.

-8is that, when a fund’s assets are illiquid, outflows today are met in part with drawdowns
from cash reserves, with the other assets being sold off more gradually over time--hence,
the predictable downward pressure on prices going forward. This predictability is what
creates the incentive for any given investor to pull out quickly if he or she sees a large
number of co-investors pulling out.9
Let me summarize by noting the areas in which I agree most closely with the
authors and by adding one key qualification. First, I think they are absolutely on target in
emphasizing that the rapid growth of fixed-income funds--as well as other, similar
vehicles--bears careful watching. As they point out, it would be a mistake to be
complacent about this phenomenon simply because such funds are unlevered. Other
economic mechanisms can mimic the run-like incentives associated with short-term debt
financing, and one or more of these mechanisms may well be present in fixed-income
funds.
Second, I also agree that there is no general separation principle for monetary
policy and financial stability. Monetary policy is fundamentally in the business of
altering risk premiums such as term premiums and credit spreads. So monetary
policymakers cannot wash their hands of what happens when these spreads revert
sharply. If these abrupt reversions also turn out to have nontrivial economic
consequences, then they are clearly of potential relevance to policymakers.
My one qualification is as follows: In the absence of a general separation
principle, when one might consider addressing financial stability issues either with
9

Indeed, the results in the paper closely parallel those in Chen, Goldstein, and Jiang (2010), who find that
fund flows forecast future returns more strongly among those equity funds that hold relatively illiquid
stocks (for example, small-cap stocks). Moreover, Chen, Goldstein, and Jiang cast their regressions as
being an explicit test of the strategic-complementarity hypothesis.

-9regulation or with monetary policy, it becomes all the more critical to get the case-bycase analysis right--that is, to really dig into the microeconomic details of the presumed
market failure and to ask when a regulatory intervention is comparatively more efficient
than a monetary one, or vice versa. So while I think it is important to remain heterodox
and to be open to taking either approach, I would not want to rule out the possibility that
some of the risks identified by the authors could be mitigated, at least in part, via a
regulatory approach. I look forward to seeing more work that helps us sort through these
challenging issues.

- 10 References
Chen, Joseph, Harrison Hong, and Jeremy C. Stein (2001). “Forecasting Crashes:
Trading Volume, Past Returns, and Conditional Skewness in Stock Prices,”
Journal of Financial Economics, vol. 61, pp. 345-81,
www.princeton.edu/~hhong/jfe-forcrash.pdf.
Chen, Qi, Itay Goldstein, and Wei Jiang (2010). “Payoff Complementarities and
Financial Fragility: Evidence from Mutual Fund Outflows,” Journal of Financial
Economics, vol. 97 (2), pp. 239-62.
Chevalier, Judith, and Glenn Ellison (1999). “Career Concerns of Mutual Fund
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Monetary Policy Forum, New York, February 28.
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