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Statement of
H. Robert Heller
Member, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

Before the
House Republican Research Committee
Task Force on Regulatory Reform

Washington, D.C.
February 17, 1988

Mr. Chairman, it is my pleasure to appear before the
Task Force to discuss some critical issues in the area
of financial services deregulation.

Today there is a

great need for reform of our banking laws.

In my short

time before you, I cannot address all of the issues
that need to be resolved.

I will therefore concentrate

my attention on two key concerns —

one of which is

immediate and the other more long-term.

First, with the moratorium on bank powers due to expire
in a few days, the Congress must address the current
separation of commercial and investment banking.

Second, our banking system is highly fragmented along
geographic lines.

It is time to create a banking

system that can serve the financial needs of our
citizens and corporations on a nationwide and, indeed,
a global basis.

Repeal Glass-Steaqall

Congress has considered for a long time a reform of the
product range that banks are allowed to offer.

Last

year, a moratorium was imposed to "stop the clock" on
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bank innovation and regulatory action.

That mora-

torium is set to expire in less than two weeks.
Congress has pledged not to extend the moratorium.
Thus, the time to act is now.

Repeal of the Glass-Steagall separation of commercial
and investment banking would have many public benefits,
which I shall outline in a moment.

However, the

immediate need to remove the legal barriers separating
commercial and investment banking stems from technological changes over the past few decades.

Advances in

computer and communication technology have permanently
altered the competitive environment of banks and other
financial intermediaries.

These changes have made it

possible for non-bank institutions to offer a wide
range of services that were previously the exclusive
domain of banks.

Banks, in turn, have attempted to

expand their service lines, and they have pursued
this goal aggressively.

Now is the time for the

Congress to legislate a restructuring of the financial
system, before a haphazard de facto restructuring
occurs.

Let me explain what I mean specifically.

A primary

function of a bank as a financial intermediary is to
collect and evaluate information pertinent to credit
decisions.
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The more costly it is to gather

information, the more valuable are the services of a
bank which specializes in this task.

Technological

changes have improved the ability of firms and
individuals to collect, store, and process information.
As a consequence, the relative advantage banks have in
evaluating the risks of lending has declined, and
direct involvement in the credit markets by ultimate
borrowers and lenders has increased.

Banks have responded to these developments by offering
competitive products to the extent allowed by current
law.

For example, the development of the commercial

paper market made substantial inroads into the
traditional provision of working capital by banks.
Banks then attempted to recapture at least some of the
lost business opportunities by offering loan guarantees
to commercial paper issuers.

Banks have also undertaken private placement of
corporate debt and commercial paper, loan sales and
participations, and interest rate and currency swaps.
Through their foreign subsidiaries and affiliates,
banks participate in a wide range of investment banking
activities, including underwriting and dealing
in corporate debt and equity.

In short, virtually all of the activities that banks
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would like to engage in on a full-scale basis are
already permissible abroad or in private placement
markets.

Now is the time to level the playing field by

removing the artificial obstacles that fragment our
domestic markets.

Last week a federal appeals court ruled in favor of the
Board's interpretation of the Glass-Steagall Act's
"principally engaged" clause.

This ruling lets stand

the Federal Reserve's decisions to allow banking
organizations to engage in limited securities
activities in a bank holding company subsidiary.

While

we are very pleased with this decision, it underscores
the need for a more comprehensive approach to expanded
bank powers —

a step that only the Congress can take.

Repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act would have many
benefits.

Lower financing costs would benefit firms

and state and local governments that need to raise
capital.

Consumers would benefit from a wider array of

services being offered by a broader spectrum of
financial firms.

The safety and soundness of banking

would improve as a result of the freer flow of capital
into banking.

Bank holding company entry into investment banking
would work to lower financing costs through increased
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competition in investment banking.

Some investment

banking activities are conducted in very concentrated
markets.

The entry of bank affiliates into these

markets would lower underwriting spreads and thus lower
the cost of raising funds.

For example, the Report of the House Committee on
Government Operations presented evidence that corporate
securities underwriting is highly concentrated.

The

five largest commercial paper underwriters account for
over 90 percent of the market; the five largest
underwriters of all domestic corporate debt account for
70 percent of the market; and the five largest underwriters of public stock issues account for almost half
of the market.

Lower financing costs may also stem from cost
efficiencies in the coordinated provision of commercial
and investment banking services.

Both investors and borrowers are likely to benefit from
greater access to the securities markets in a world
without Glass-Steagall.

Regional as well as smaller

banks could offer depositors a wider range of
products, such as mutual funds.

A securities affiliate

of a regional bank could underwrite debt and equity of
local and regional firms as well as revenue bonds of
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local governments.

This would provide local and

regional firms and governments with the kind of access
to the capital markets that is today mostly enjoyed
only by large corporations.

From the point of view of bank safety and soundness,
I look forward to another benefit of expanded bank
powers:

the free flow of capital into banking.

If

bank holding companies expand into the securities
markets, they should become anore attractive
investments.

This should make it easier for bank

holding companies to raise capital.

Major concerns with expanded bank powers are the
possibilities of increased bank risk and extension of
the federal safety net to an even wider array of
economic activities.

I sha e these concerns.

The

federal safety net of deposit insurance and the
discount window should not —
emphasize this point —

and I cannot over-

be extended to cover non-

banking activities.

The Board of Governors believes that the repeal of
Glass-Steagall can be structured so as to neither
jeopardize the safety and soundness of banks nor extend
the federal safety net.

This is because we believe

that the risks of securities activities can be managed
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prudently, and because organizational forms can be
constructed which control the degree of risk to the
bank.

Banks have prudently managed the securities activities
they are allowed to undertake.

None of the domestic

bank failures in the 1980s has, to our knowledge, been
attributed to underwriting losses.

In fact, we are

unaware of any significant losses to banks in recent
years from underwriting eligible domestic securities,
such as federal government obligations, general
obligations of state and local governments, and
municipal revenue bonds issued to finance housing,
university buildings and dormitories.

In foreign securities markets, where the limitations of
Glass-Steagall do not apply, the performance of U.S.
banking organizations has also generally been
favorable.

To the extent that there have been problems

in overseas markets, they appear to have been in the
nature of "start up" difficulties, not long-term
problems.

In the mid 1970s, some U.S. banking sub-

sidiaries operating in London had problems with venture
capital investments and the development of the
Eurobond market.

After deregulation of the London

securities markets, several securities firms, including
affiliates and subsidiaries of U.S. banks, experienced
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some transitional difficulties.

Evidence that we have seen since the October stock
market crash has reinforced the conclusion that while
securities activities are not free of risk, the risks
can be managed prudently.

In addition, securities

activities should be monitored and supervised in such a
way that risk to the bank is controlled.

In parti-

cular, adequate capital should be maintained to absorb
unexpected losses.

Finally, an institutional and legal

structure should be in place that minimizes- the degree
to which securities risk could be passed to. a bank.

What type of institutional structure can best minimize
the possible effects of the risks of new activities and
limit the extension of the federal safety net?

We

recommend that expanded bank powers should be conducted
in a subsidiary of a bank holding company and that the
Congress place limits on transactions between a bank
and its securities affiliate.

These institutional

"firewalls" would help insulate a depository institution from the risks of its securities affiliate.

The bank holding company framework is desirable for a
number of reasons.

First, the legal concept of corporate separateness is
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strongest under a holding company framework.

Corporate

separateness provides that a separately incorporated
company cannot normally be held liable for the actions
of its affiliates or subsidiaries.

This doctrine is

more vulnerable to exceptions in the case of subsidiaries rather than affiliates.

Second, any losses incurred by a securities firm that
was a subsidiary of a bank would appear as losses on
the balance sheet of the bank.

Therefore, losses o£ a

securities firm could directly affect the market's
evaluation of the financial health of the bank. This
would not be the case if a holding company owned the
securities firm.

Third, a bank may attempt to financially aid an ailing
subsidiary because public perceptions about the health
of a bank are so closely tied to the performance of
its subsidiaries.

This temptation is easier to resist

in the case of an affiliate.

Finally, the holding company framework helps promote
competitive equity.

If the public believed that a

subsidiary of a bank had some of the benefits of the
federal safety net, then that enterprise might be able
to raise funds at lower cost than a firm with no ties
to a bank.
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Because of the legal separations between a

bank and an affiliate, the public is less likely to
perceive that the affiliate enjoys the benefits of the
federal safety net.

In addition to putting securities affiliates in a bank
holding company framework, the Board recommends that
several other steps be taken in order to achieve the
goals I have already stated.

First, we recommend a

prohibition on lending from a bank to its securities
affiliate.

This would reinforce the firewalls estab-

lished by the bank holding company framework.

We are

concerned that even within the context of a bank
holding company, a bank may feel pressure to lend to
its securities affiliate.

Any regulations allowing

lending between a bank and its affiliate, however
limited, might be subject to liberal interpretation in
times of duress.

Furthermore, such a prohibition

strengthens the concept of corporate separateness.

Similar arguments apply to the prohibition of a bank
purchasing assets from its securities affiliate, and we
recommend this restriction as well.

Conflicts of interest pose another potential problem
that might result from expanded bank powers.

We

believe that a slight strengthening of existing
regulations concerning full disclosure in securities
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transactions, together with the firewalls I have just
discussed, are sufficient to limit potential conflicts
of interest.

In sum, we believe that the bank holding company
framework can effectively insulate both the bank and
the federal safety net from the risks of securities
activities.

Permit Interstate Banking

In the immediate future, the Congress may be kept quite
busy considering changes in bank securities powers.
However, as soon as time permits, I urge you to take up
the matter of interstate banking.

Removal of interstate banking restrictions would
benefit banks, their customers, and the federal safety
net.

Interstate banking would make it easier for banks

to diversify their loan portfolio and their deposit
base.

Geographically diversified banks would be less

likely to fail as a result of regional economic
difficulties.

Bank customers would benefit from having

a more diverse selection of banks to choose from.

The

general public would benefit from a more safe and sound
banking system and less strain on the federal deposit
insurance funds.
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Diversification of risk can reduce the chances that a
bank might fail.

Clearly, one way a bank can diversify

its loan portfolio is to hold loans from different
regions of the country.

An economic downturn in the

oil patch or the farm belt will have less of an effect
on the financial health of a bank that also has loans
in New England than on a bank that does not.

This point is illustrated by the Canadian experience.
Just like the United States, Canada experienced severe
agricultural and energy problems.

However, there was

no similar rash of bank failures in Canada.

It stands

to reason that Canada's good record stems at least in
part from the greater geographic diversification of
risk that is achieved due to nationwide banking.

Most states have recognized the benefits of interstate
banking and have passed legislation permitting at least
some form of interstate banking.

Forty states and the

District of Columbia now have laws permitting entry by
out-of-state, full-service banks.

Currently, most of

these states restrict entry to banks from a small list
of states, usually in their own geographic region.
However, twenty-five states have laws that will allow
current or future entry by banks from any state.

While this is also very encouraging, there is room for
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more progress.

The state laws are by no means uniform,

and many states inhibit free competition by limiting
entry to banks from a specified list of states.

As a

result, the American banking system threatens to remain
fragmented and Balkanized.

Current federal law prohibits interstate banking unless
it is specifically allowed by the state.

This legis-

lation is an increasingly archaic impediment to
geographic risk diversification and should be removed.
At some point, we will need new federal-legislation to
unify the maze of state laws and to extend interstate
banking to all states.

Interstate banking would also provide bank customers
with access to a greater variety of bank services.

For

example, manufacturers located outside of the major
money centers have little access to institutions
skilled in export financing.
exporters are handicapped.

Consequently, our
Interstate branch banking

would allow banks with this kind of expertise to set up
branches wherever they might be useful, and customers
would have access to banks that could serve them both
at home and abroad.

For all these reasons, there is a need for a national
policy towards interstate banking.
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We all recognize the tremendous benefit that the
interstate commerce clause has brought to the nation by
creating a unified free market for goods.

Let us

extend the same benefit of a national market to
banking!
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Conclusion

In conclusion, I want to compliment and commend this
Task Force for its efforts to come to grips with the
complex"and vital issues in financial services reform.
Surely, the Congress and the people of this nation face
many challenges in this area.

However, the potential

rewards to rational and timely action by the Congress
are great —

the beneficiaries will include borrowers,

depositors, banks, and the general public.

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