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“Observations on Housing, Lending, and
Foreclosure Prevention”
Eric S. Rosengren
President & Chief Executive Officer
Federal Reserve Bank of Boston

Citizens’ Housing and Planning Association (CHAPA)
41st Annual Dinner and Meeting
Boston Convention and Exhibition Center

October 16, 2008

I want to thank you for inviting me to join you this evening for the Citizens’
Housing and Planning Association’s 41st Annual Dinner and Meeting. 1 And I want to
applaud CHAPA for its longstanding, proactive commitment to affordable housing and
community development.
I especially admire the ways in which you bring together and leverage the
interests of all parties with a stake in housing. This approach is no doubt challenging, but
in it lie the roots of your success. As recent events in housing and financial markets have
shown us, comprehensive solutions that engage many stakeholders can make for long

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days, tough conversations, and complex negotiations – but can also make for workable
solutions that make a difference.
Lately I have had occasion to say that these are the times when you need a central
bank. I would add tonight, in all sincerity, that these are times when you also need a
CHAPA.

As you all know, economic and financial conditions have deteriorated recently,
and while the housing and financial markets are most impacted, there is little doubt that
the effects are spilling over to the rest of the economy. However, now with appropriate
and determined policy actions underway, I believe much of the spillover can be mitigated
and the economy can return to growth that is closer to potential next year. To that end, I
believe that policymakers should maintain a focus on three key areas, which I’ll mention
briefly.

First, it is essential that liquidity for companies is maintained, or more
accurately, is re-established. It is really in every citizen’s interest that firms –
particularly our most creditworthy ones – not face uncertainty over whether they will be
able to continue to finance themselves with short-term debt. In fact, firms with top credit
ratings can be critical stabilizers during difficult times, as they should be in a position to
continue to invest and ultimately help the economy maintain employment levels.
In this regard I am very pleased to point to recent steps policymakers have taken
to restore well- functioning short-term credit markets. Actions taken include the
establishment by the Federal Reserve of liquidity facilities for money market funds,

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primary dealers, and issuers of commercial paper; the U.S. Treasury’s recent steps such
as providing temporary insurance for money market funds and the plan to invest capital
in banks to free up lending; and the FDIC’s guarantee on senior debt and non-interestbearing transaction accounts of banks. 2
In a speech at the University of Wisconsin last week, 3 I spoke in some detail
about issues of liquidity and liquidity-risk concerns. But as we gather tonight, I can say
that I believe appropriate and powerful actions are now in process, so that while it will
take some time for markets to return to normal, problems should moderate going forward.

My second observation is that financial firms need to have the financial strength
to continue to lend to creditworthy borrowers. Making sure that banks have sufficient
capital to continue to lend is vital, because access to credit is critical for households and
businesses.
The policy actions taken earlier this week, building on those of recent months,
should insure that banks have sufficient capital to continue lending, preventing more
significant problems. It is very likely that these policy actions will mitigate some of the
problems that have been rippling out from capital-constrained banks.

My third broad observation for policy focus involves the housing market – it
needs to reach bottom and potential homebuyers need to gain the confidence to return to
the market. By this I mean that individuals shopping for homes need to be confident that
appropriate financing is available for home-ownership. Individuals need to be more
confident in housing transactions proceeding normally because institutions and markets

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with a role in such transactions are functioning well. And individuals need to feel that
there is the potential for housing prices to rise.
It is this third broad theme, concerning the housing market, which I would like to
expand upon this evening. I plan to offer a few thoughts on the background to current
housing problems, make some observations on the issue of connecting lenders with
borrowers, share some early results from a large foreclosure-prevention event we helped
organize at Gillette Stadium, and end with a few concluding remarks.

I. Background on Current Housing Problems 4
I’m sure most of you at a CHAPA event would agree that the causes of current
housing problems are complicated and multifaceted. Yet despite the complexity of the
issues, there are some observers who look for easy answers. Some have focused on
lenders and lax underwriting standards; others have focused on profligate borrowers.
However, neither of these simple “black and white” explanations seems consistent
with the facts – including the reality that just over half of all recent (2006-2007)
foreclosures in Massachusetts have been suffered by prime, not subprime, borrowers –
borrowers that did not need lax underwriting standards to qualify, and who did not have
undue leverage since they qualified as prime borrowers. 5
This is a good example of the complexity and nuance that surrounds the situation.
So the explanations that assign blame in only one corner seem to me to fall short. This is
an important point, because if we misdiagnose the causes of the crisis, we could misdirect
the remedies.

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In this regard, allow me to make just a brief comment on a matter of some debate
in recent news reports and opinion pieces. Some, unfortunately, see the crisis and say
that regulators pushed lenders to extend bad loans in previously underserved areas. The
Boston Fed’s position has long been – despite some determined mischaracterizations –
that some flexibility in underwriting criteria may be appropriate if the borrower’s
willingness and ability to handle the debt can be affirmed, and such flexibility is
considered in a consistent and fair manner across applicants.
We have not, and do not, advocate for irresponsible or poorly underwritten
lending. That perspective, however, is not at odds with advocating that the various
participants in housing markets continue to strive for fair access to credit, appropriately
extended. Nor is it at odds with our belief that responsibly underwritten loans to
borrowers in low- and moderate-income areas – including those whose credit situation is
considered “subprime” but can document their ability to afford the loan – are welcome
and indeed crucial.

To return to my discussion of the present situation, I know that most of you here
tonight are seeing the toll that foreclosures are taking – particularly in low-and-moderateincome and minority communities and areas like Dorchester, Lawrence, Chelsea, and
Worcester. Such communities are bearing the brunt of foreclosures in terms of volumes
and rates.
I would like to make a few observations on foreclosures in general. Foreclosures
are cyclical, meaning they are much more likely to occur when the economy is in a
downturn and when housing prices are declining. Slide 2 shows the delinquency rates for

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residential mortgages at New England financial institutions. Not surprisingly, the last
time that housing prices were falling and the unemployment rate was rising significantly,
we saw a significant number of delinquencies.
To expand on this I would add that foreclosures, with their extraordinary toll on
individuals, neighborhoods, and the broader housing market and economy 6 – not to
mention the lender or investor in many cases – usually have two common threads. First,
foreclosure is much more likely if house prices are declining, since when prices are rising
(especially if rapidly) a homeowner whose situation sours can sell the house rather than
see the house foreclosed. 7 Second, studies attribute the majority of foreclosures to certain
unfavorable “life events” such as divorce, a spike in out-of-pocket healthcare costs
stemming from an illness or injury in the family, or a loss of a job or income stream.
Some such events are more likely during a period of elevated and rising unemployment
rates. Unfortunately, in the current environment we have been experiencing both a
decline in home prices and rising unemployment rates – conditions where we might
expect elevated foreclosures.
Slide 3 shows that areas with the most significant declines in home prices, such as
Florida, Nevada, and California, are also areas that have experienced very significant
rates of foreclosure. This is also true for states in the Midwest that have been particularly
impacted by the downturn in the auto industry.
Clearly, matters have been aggravated by developments for borrowers and lenders
in the marketplace for home loans. 8 For borrowers, it became much more common to
borrow with little or no money down. Such borrowing is more risky, and would be

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expected to result in more foreclosures during an economic downturn. In addition, lowor no-documentation loans expanded.
It has also become increasingly easy to refinance homes or take out a home equity
(“piggyback”) loan 9 . In fact, many (about 70 percent) of the subprime foreclosures in
Massachusetts came on homes that were originally purchased with prime loans – for
many of these loans, owners had refinanced into subprime mortgages before defaulting. 10
This suggests room for improvement in terms of informing and educating borrowers on
the risks of homeownership, borrowing, and various financing arrangements. I would
add, somewhat parenthetically, that in some markets many of the homes in foreclosure
are investor-owned, or are second homes. 11
Significant innovations in mortgage lending occurred as the industry evolved –
and some of these innovations have exacerbated recent problems. Mortgages that used to
be held at local banks are now frequently originated by mortgage companies that reach
out to borrowers through brokers, and then sell the mortgage to be part of a security
backed by many mortgages. 12
While some mortgage companies and brokers clearly acted in good faith, under
such “originate to distribute” arrangements there was less direct incentive to insure that
the mortgage was a sustainable product for the borrower than, for instance, with a loan a
bank planned to hold in its portfolio. Certainly concerns about reputation in some cases
exerted discipline – especially in situations where brokers depend heavily on word-ofmouth to generate leads – but there were significant countervailing forces at work.
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volume and higher interest rates. Too often in the unregulated sector, brokers’ customers
ended up in loans with high fees and unsustainable terms.
Many mortgage brokers had little or no regulatory oversight. Most of the
subprime lenders active in this state were not federally regulated depository institutions,
and most have failed. 13 In short, there is a role for increasing the incentives for lenders,
and those that broker loans, to place homebuyers in mortgages that they can sustain.

II. Connecting Distressed Borrowers with their Lenders
In today’s mortgage environment, the continuing relationship with the borrower –
that is, the collecting of mortgage payments and the handling of delinquencies and
foreclosures – is generally handled by servicing organizations under contract to the
individuals or entities investing in the securities that are backed by the mortgages.
Sometimes the same organizations are both loan originators and servicers. It is important
to recognize that in their servicer capacity these organizations are still working for the
investors.
A persistent complaint among distressed borrowers has been their inability to
reach informed representatives of the loan servicers, to discuss and resolve their payment
problems. 14 In many accounts, borrowers report repeated efforts to reach servicers’
representatives and describe the frustration of “bouncing around” a telephone maze
without being able to reach someone with the information and authority to discuss their
situation. Interestingly, we also hear complaints from loan servicers as to how difficult it
is to reach and engage troubled borrowers. They highlight repeated mailings to troubled
borrowers and the difficulty in finding phone numbers to reach some borrowers.

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When home mortgages were held by local community banks, the banks were
often in a position to know the borrower personally, and were well aware of how to
contact the borrower should payment problems emerge. But today, loans may be
originated by a broker who has no involvement with the borrower once the loan has
closed. Frequently the loan servicer is located in another part of the country.
In sum, while economists like me have tended to assume that borrowers have a
strong incentive to discuss their payments problems and the possible options for
renegotiating terms, and that lenders have a strong incentive to avoid costly foreclosures,
in practice getting borrowers and lenders together has proved to be surprisingly difficult
(see Slide 4).
It was this observation that led the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston to want to
hold a large, well-publicized foreclosure-prevention workshop. There are significant
economies of scale to such an event. Large events can draw representatives of all the
major servicers (many of whom have to fly in), so borrowers are less likely to be
disappointed by their servicer not attending. There are also economies of scale in
advertising the event and using a large venue with easy access and adequate parking and
public transportation arrangements. Large events are also advantageous for the loan
servicer, because they can reach a large number of their troubled borrowers in a particular
geographic location.
Fortunately, Robert Kraft, Josh Kraft, and the New England Patriots Charitable
Foundation were willing to provide Gillette Stadium, home of the New England Patriots
football team, as the site for a major foreclosure-prevention event in August (see Slide 5).
We had a variety of other invaluable co-sponsors and supporters: the Hope Now Alliance

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helped bring in the loan servicers, and Neighborworks America helped bring in the
housing counselors, some of whom work for organizations affiliated with CHAPA and
some of whom may be here tonight. Many of your organizations helped us get the word
out about the event. I want to thank everyone for working with us.
Outreach to borrowers was critical. The loan servicers that participated sent
27,000 letters to their borrowers in New England who were 60 days or more past due.
The Boston Fed sent out over 50,000 postcards (Slide 6) to borrowers who took out
subprime loans – developing the mailing list from publicly available information from the
Registry of Deeds that was compiled by the Warren Group. We simply encouraged the
recipients to consider attending the event if they would find it helpful to speak directly to
their servicer, and to meet with a foreclosure prevention counselor if they chose. For
additional outreach, with the help of our co-sponsors we placed numerous radio
interviews and ads in English, Spanish, and Portuguese. In part we focused on areas with
high incidence of foreclosures.
The event itself needed a big venue (Slide 7). We hosted 20 servicer
organizations, which sent 80 loss-mitigation representatives. Most of them remained
busy until late into the night, well after the formal close. In addition, we had the vital
participation of some 20 counseling agencies that sent 50 counselors and legal aid
representatives. They also worked tirelessly and stayed well after the close. In addition
there was a large contingent of volunteers from Neighborworks, Fannie Mae, and the
Federal Reserve Bank of Boston who pitched in to help the event run quite smoothly,
considering its complexity and size.

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III. Preliminary Results
The event attracted over 4,000 members of the public, representing 2,167
borrowers. While there was a significant wait to see some servicers, 60 percent of the
surveyed attendees took advantage of the counseling services while waiting. Some
servicers had the capacity to make loan modifications on the spot, while others could
only collect information, assess the borrower’s situation in person, and get back to the
borrower after the event.
If one assumed that the mortgage crisis was isolated to one demographic slice of
the country, the scene that day told a very different story. The borrowers who made the
trek to Gillette seemed to be from all walks of life, and all races and ethnicities. The
scene was both poignant and illuminating. Notably, the first lot to fill up at the beginning
of our event was the handicapped parking area. We saw people of all ages with health
concerns and physical ailments.
It is still too early to statistically analyze the ultimate, long-term impact of the
event for distressed borrowers, but there are some indicative results that I can share with
you this evening. Slide 8 shows the results we at the Boston Fed have compiled to date
for borrowers that attended. We signed up just under 400 of the borrowers that attended
to be contacted for phone interviews, which we began conducting in the week following
the event. The initial results show that about 39 percent of the people were still waiting
to hear definitively from the servicer, about 37 percent had been told that the servicer
would not make any adjustments, and about 24 percent had received some modification
in their loan terms.

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Furthermore, where there was a modification, the type of adjustments varied (see
Slide 9). Of those we surveyed who had their loan modified, 62 percent had a permanent
reduction in their interest rate, 42 percent had a temporary reduction in their payment,
and 6 percent had a reduction in principal. In addition, about half of these borrowers
were offered a repayment plan to make up for the late payments. By the way, it is worth
noting that the event occurred in the middle of August, before the terms of the new
“Hope for Homeowners” (H4H) program were announced by the Federal Housing
Administration (FHA) on October 1.
We are now re-contacting the borrowers (the 39 percent) who were waiting to
hear from their servicer about possible loan modifications, and we very much hope that
round of calls will show additional progress. Of course, we also need more time to pass
before we can analyze whether people who attended the event, or people who received
loan modifications as a result, experience a significantly lower rate of foreclosure than
those who did not attend.
We learned a lot with this event. We hope that at future events, more servicers
will have the ability to make decisions on the spot or soon after the event. We are eager
to see the numbers of borrowers who are still waiting to hear from their servicer on a
possible modification go down, and for those decisions to happen more quickly in the
future. Also, we will be interested to see whether the newly passed legislation has an
effect on the number of borrowers that qualify for permanent reductions in interest rate or
changes in principal, relative to what was experienced in August.

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Concluding Observations
While it is too early for a full assessment of this one major foreclosure-prevention
event, we do know that 24 percent of the attendees we have surveyed already have had
the terms of their loan changed – and as we re-survey people, we hope that number will
go up. As servicers have become better staffed to work out problems with borrowers,
and with new legislative initiatives and other policy developments, we hope that more
concrete actions can be taken sooner, thus avoiding preventable foreclosures.
It does appear that bringing borrowers together with servicers and counselors to
discuss issues in person has significant advantages, and that large events reap certain
economies of scale. For these reasons the Boston Fed is looking to partner on one or
more large foreclosure-prevention events in the future. If we can line up a time and place
that are appropriate for another such event, we will be making an announcement.
Of course, while foreclosure-prevention workshops appear to be helpful, ideally
borrowers and lenders will not wait for these large events before initiating fruitful
discussions. Ideally, with new legislative initiatives and the actions recently announced
by the U.S. Treasury, more forceful actions will be taken by all participants –
actions that in sum will help stabilize the housing market and benefit all its participants.
Thank you.

NOTES:
1

Of course, the views I express today are my own, not necessarily those of my colleagues on the
Federal Reserve’s Board of Governors or the Federal Open Market Committee (the FOMC).

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2

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke spoke about these efforts to stabilize financial markets
and the economy on Wednesday; his speech can be found at
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/bernanke20081015a.htm

3

“The Impact of Financial Institutions and Financial Markets on the Real Economy: Implications
of a Liquidity Lock’” is available on the Boston Fed’s website at
http://www.bos.frb.org/news/speeches/rosengren/2008/100908.htm
4

I offered a more extensive historical perspective on housing downturns in a January speech
available at http://www.bos.frb.org/news/speeches/rosengren/2008/011108.htm.

5

See pages 5 and 39 of Subprime Facts: What (We Think) We Know about the Subprime Crisis
and What We Don’t by Christopher L. Foote, Kristopher Gerardi, Lorenz Goette, and Paul S.
Willen (Federal Reserve Bank of Boston Public Policy Discussion Paper No. 08-2), available at
http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/ppdp/2008/ppdp0802.htm

6

The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston has been engaged with the foreclosures issue on a number
of fronts. Economists and analysts in the Research department have issued a number of carefully
researched, illuminating papers on the topic; our Public and Community Affairs department has
been analyzing and disseminating foreclosures data, and engaging in outreach and special task
forces on the issues. Much of this work, including an interactive website with Massachusetts
town-level data showing the interaction between house prices and foreclosures, and quarterly
updates of mortgage delinquency data by product, is available on our website, www.bos.frb.org in
the “Foreclosure Resource Center” section, with information for the consumer at special site the
Bank has set up at theinformedhomebuyer.org.

7

See pages 3 and 20 of Subprime Facts: What (We Think) We Know about the Subprime Crisis
and What We Don’t by Christopher L. Foote, Kristopher Gerardi, Lorenz Goette, and Paul S.
Willen (Federal Reserve Bank of Boston Public Policy Discussion Paper No. 08-2), available at
http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/ppdp/2008/ppdp0802.htm

8

I discussed these developments in more detail in a December 2007 speech on “Subprime
Mortgage Problems: Research, Opportunities, and Policy Considerations” – available at
http://www.bos.frb.org/news/speeches/rosengren/2007/120307.htm; and in an October 2007
speech on “Recent Developments in Real Estate, Financial Markets, and the Economy” available
at http://www.bos.frb.org/news/speeches/rosengren/2007/101007.htm.

9

I discussed “piggyback” loans as one of the issues complicating the resolution of housing
problems in a May speech available at
http://www.bos.frb.org/news/speeches/rosengren/2008/053008.htm (“Current Challenges in
Housing and Home Loans: Complicating Factors and the Implications for Policymakers”).

10

See page 5 and 39 of Subprime Facts: What (We Think) We Know about the Subprime Crisis
and What We Don’t by Christopher L. Foote, Kristopher Gerardi, Lorenz Goette, and Paul S.
Willen (Federal Reserve Bank of Boston Public Policy Discussion Paper No. 08-2), available at
http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/ppdp/2008/ppdp0802.htm

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11

Some of the more elevated foreclosure rates in Massachusetts are on Cape Cod, where there are
many second homes. In Florida and Nevada, there were many investor-owned properties, and
these areas have been particularly impacted by foreclosures.
12

Mortgages were pooled and securitized, then split and re-sold onto the secondary market to
investors. Servicing companies act as intermediaries between the borrowers – the person making
the monthly mortgage payment, and the ultimate investor. The securities are governed by
complex pooling and servicing agreements that vary in terms of what they allow. This makes
loan workouts much more complicated. Some allow for flexibility on modifications according to
standard servicer procedure, others place caps on the number of loans that can be modified, others
still explicitly forbid modifications.
13

See the Table in my speech on “Subprime Mortgage Problems: Research, Opportunities, and
Policy Considerations” – available at
http://www.bos.frb.org/news/speeches/rosengren/2007/120307.htm.
14

An informed and balanced description of these issues was offered in the testimony of Urban
Edge’s Mossik Hacobian before the House Committee on Financial Services on September 17.
The testimony, at a hearing on “The Implementation of the Hope for Homeowners Program and
A Review of Foreclosure Mitigation Efforts”, is available at
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/financialsvcs_dem/hacobian091708.pdf

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Eric S. Rosengren
President & CEO
Federal Reserve Bank of Boston
Citizens' Housing and Planning Association
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Delinquency Rates on Residential
Mortgage Loans at Commercial and
Savings Banks
1991:Q1 - 2008:Q2

Percent Delinquent
3.0
2.5
New England
2.0
US
1.5
1.0
0.5
0.0
91:Q1

92:Q3

94:Q1

95:Q3

97:Q1

98:Q3

00:Q1

01:Q3

03:Q1

04:Q3

06:Q1

07:Q3

Note: Delinquent loans include loans 90 or more days past due and loans in nonaccrual status.

Source: Commercial and Savings Bank Call Reports

2

Share of Loans in the Foreclosure Process
As of June 30, 2008

Source: Mortgage Bankers Association National Delinquency Survey / Haver Analytics

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Foreclosure Prevention Workshop
Purpose:
ƒ Help troubled borrowers connect with servicers
ƒ Help servicers connect with difficult to reach borrowers
Activity:
ƒ Borrowers meet one-on-one with their servicer
ƒ Borrowers could meet one-on-one with foreclosure
prevention counselor if they so chose (and many did)
ƒ Borrowers could hear financial-education workshops:
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Understanding Credit; Budgeting; Short Sales
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Many Contributors
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Federal Reserve Bank of Boston
Kraft family & New England Patriots Charitable Foundation
HOPE NOW Alliance
NeighborWorks America
FANNIE MAE
MBTA
Mortgage Relief Fund Banks & Mass. Bankers Association
National Association of Realtors
The Warren Group
Elected Officials
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A Big Event
Servicers – organized by Hope Now
‰ 20 servicers
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80 loss-mitigation reps
27,000 invitations

Counselors – organized by NeighborWorks
‰ 20 agencies
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50 counselors and legal-aid reps

Volunteers
‰ 60+ from NeighborWorks, Fannie Mae, and the
Federal Reserve
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Greeters, registration, “runners”

Borrowers – 2,167 (4,000 individuals in total)
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Did the Servicer Make a Concession at
(or after) the Gillette Stadium Event?
Percent
50
40
30
20
10
0
Too early to tell

Source: Survey of borrowers attending Gillette event

No

Yes

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Of Borrowers Receiving Modifications,
Types Reported
Percent
80
Interest Rate Reduction
Principal Reduction
Temporary Reduction in Payments

60

Repayment Plan

40

20

0
Note: Because some borrowers received more than one modification, figures
add to more than 100%.
Source: Survey of borrowers attending Gillette event

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