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Interactions between Monetary and Fiscal Policy
in the Current situation

Remarks by
Donald L. Kohn
Vice Chairman
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
at a
conference on
Monetary-Fiscal Policy Interactions, Expectations, and Dynamics
in the Current Economic Crisis
sponsored by
Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs
Princeton University’s Center for Economic Policy Studies
Indiana University’s Center for Applied Economics and Policy Research
at
Princeton University
Princeton, New Jersey
May 23, 2009

Our current economic situation has altered some of the usual interactions between
monetary and fiscal policy. One change regards the relative effects of monetary and
fiscal policy. The depth and persistence of economic weakness has meant that traditional
monetary policy--the target for the federal funds rate--has become constrained from
easing as much as might be desirable under the circumstances, and, as a consequence, the
target federal funds rate is anticipated to remain near zero for some time. But as a result,
fiscal stimulus has potentially become more effective in boosting economic activity than
it usually would be.
Another change involves the potential for monetary policy actions to have greater
fiscal implications than usual. The Federal Reserve has extended both its open market
operations and lending programs in unprecedented ways to ease financial conditions and
to help revive economic activity. In our open market operations, we have embarked on
large-scale purchases of intermediate- and long-term Treasury securities, agency debt,
and agency-guaranteed mortgage-backed securities (MBS) in order to put further
downward pressure on borrowing costs, greatly increasing the degree of maturity
transformation on our balance sheet. In addition, our traditional liquidity operations have
been extended to include new borrowers and new markets, with the potential for greater
credit risk than usual.
In my view, our nontraditional policy actions have been necessary to avert a far
worse economic outcome, and they remain consistent with the traditional goals and
principles of monetary policy. Moreover, as I will be discussing, we have structured
these policies with the aim of accomplishing our objectives with few, if any, fiscal

-2consequences. I will conclude with some thoughts about the transition back toward more
typical monetary policy as the economy and financial markets improve.1
Fiscal Policy When Monetary Policy Is at the Zero Lower Bound
During normal economic circumstances, most economists do not view
expansionary fiscal policy as an especially effective tool for producing a sustained
increase in aggregate demand and in resource utilization. Ordinarily, financial market
participants would expect monetary policy to react by increasing the target federal funds
rate over time to keep output near potential and inflation near its desired level. Thus, the
enactment of a sustained fiscal expansion would trigger an increase in expected shortterm interest rates and hence long-term interest rates. The higher long-term rates would
also tend to reduce asset values and boost the foreign exchange value of the dollar. As a
result, any initial increase in aggregate output and employment from the fiscal expansion
would be soon crowded out by reductions in household spending, business investment,
and net exports.2
But in the current weak economic environment, a fiscal expansion may be much
more effective in providing a sustained boost to economic activity. With traditional
monetary policy currently constrained from further reductions in the target policy rate,
and with many analysts forecasting lower-than-desired inflation and a persistent, large
output gap, agents may anticipate that the target federal funds rate will remain near zero

1

The views presented here are my own and not necessarily those of other members of the Board of
Governors or the Federal Open Market Committee. Eric Engen, David Reifschneider, and John Roberts of
the Board’s staff contributed to these remarks.
2
Of course, sustained changes in fiscal policy may have supply-side implications that affect the long-run
level of potential output, and hence actual gross domestic product. Except to the extent that these long-run
changes alter the equilibrium real rate of interest, however, they have only minor implications for monetary
policy.

-3for an extended period. In this situation, fiscal stimulus could lead to a considerably
smaller increase in long-term interest rates and the foreign exchange value of the dollar,
and to smaller decreases in asset prices, than under more normal circumstances. Indeed,
if market participants anticipate the expansionary fiscal policy to be relatively temporary,
and the period of weak economic activity and constrained traditional monetary policy to
be relatively extended, they may not expect any increase in short-term interest rates for
quite some time, thus damping any rise in long-term interest rates. Moreover, if the
initial boost to aggregate spending from fiscal stimulus raises inflation expectations, then
real short-term interest rates would tend to decline, given that the nominal short-term
interest rate is constrained at the zero lower bound. All told, the result is likely to be
considerably less of the usual crowding out of fiscal stimulus in these circumstances,
thereby increasing the effectiveness of fiscal policy to boost the level of aggregate
economic activity in the short to medium term.
This scenario is supported by simulations using the Federal Reserve staff’s
FRB/US model, assuming all agents have rational expectations.3 For example, suppose
the level of federal government purchases is increased permanently by 1 percent of gross
domestic product (GDP). Under normal circumstances, the fiscal spending multiplier-that is, the percentage response of real GDP to the boost in government spending--starts
out at about 1 but then quickly falls to zero as long-term interest rates rise so that private
spending and exports decline. However, if financial market participants anticipate that

3

In the FRB/US model, about 40 percent of households are estimated to be rule-of-thumb consumers,
implying that they generally spend most of their current income. The remaining households are life-cycle
consumers, implying that their spending decisions are influenced by their expected permanent income
rather than their current income. However, these consumers are nonetheless relatively sensitive to expected
changes in income over the next several years because they are assumed to discount future income at a high
rate, reflecting its uncertain nature.

-4the federal funds rate will remain at zero for an appreciable period of time following the
hike in government spending, the simulated short-run fiscal multiplier rises to 1.3 for
some time. Model simulations also indicate that the fiscal spending multiplier may rise
even further--to around 2--if the fiscal stimulus is expected to be temporary and to last no
longer than the period when monetary policy holds short-term interest rates at the zero
lower bound.4
To be sure, greater-than-usual uncertainty surrounds estimates of the size of the
fiscal multiplier under current circumstances, and its magnitude could be somewhat
smaller than suggested by these model simulations. With lenders unusually cautious,
household and business spending may react less than would normally be expected to low
real interest rates because tight nonprice credit terms are restricting access to borrowed
funds. Also, the above-normal levels of uncertainty faced by households and firms could
damp the responsiveness of consumption and investment spending to the boost in
household income and business earnings generated by the fiscal stimulus. Finally, any
increase in uncertainty about the longer-term trajectory of government borrowing could
raise term premiums.
Nontraditional Monetary Policies
Current economic and financial conditions have not only changed the potential
effectiveness of fiscal stimulus, but they also have altered the way in which monetary
policy seeks to support economic activity and foster price stability. With the target
federal funds rate effectively at zero, our traditional monetary policy tool can no longer
provide additional stimulus to the economy. Moreover, heightened uncertainty and
4

These basic results are also borne out by simulations using the Federal Reserve staff’s estimated dynamic
stochastic general equilibrium (DSGE) model of the U.S. economy, EDO, and its calibrated multicountry
DSGE model, SIGMA.

-5pressures on intermediary balance sheets have impaired the usual channels of credit
intermediation. In these circumstances, the Federal Reserve has provided additional
monetary stimulus by easing financial conditions more directly through its interventions
in a variety of financial markets. In effect, we have stepped up our intermediation by
making large volumes of asset purchases and loans, which have been associated with a
very substantial increase in bank reserves on the liability side of our balance sheet.
In open market operations, we have announced our intention to purchase up to
$1.75 trillion in longer-term Treasury notes and bonds, agency debt, and agency MBS
during this year. This program is intended to stimulate real economic activity by holding
down intermediate- and long-term interest rates by bringing down the term premium on
these securities--a mechanism that is distinct from the traditional channel whereby a shift
in the stance of monetary policy affects longer-term yields by changing the expected path
of short-term interest rates.5 The preliminary evidence suggests that our program so far
has worked; for example, our announcements regarding the large-scale asset purchase
program coincided with cumulative restraint on the average level of longer-term interest
rates, perhaps by as much as 100 basis points by some estimates.
That the Federal Reserve is holding a portfolio of long-term assets on its books is
not especially unusual--prior to the onset of the financial crisis, we held about
$150 billion of Treasury securities with maturities of more than five years. Moreover, we
have long been authorized to purchase securities issued by government-sponsored
enterprises (GSEs). However, in the current circumstance, the scale of our intended
5

The mechanism for this effect seems to work, in part, through the habitat preference of investors for longand short-term debt. Moreover, through indirect effects on other financial markets, LSAPs can also be
effective in reducing interest rates on many other types of household and business credit.

-6holdings, and the related expansion of the Fed’s liabilities to acquire these assets, is
unprecedented. Holding such a large portfolio of long-term assets does expose the
Federal Reserve, and thus the taxpayer, to potential losses as short-term interest rates rise.
We could end up financing our holdings of some low-yielding long-term assets with
more expensive short-term liabilities or, we might have to sell some of these assets at a
loss as long-term rates rise. But in gauging the potential cost to taxpayers associated with
future interest rate movements, several considerations are important to keep in mind.
First, some of the Treasury and GSE debt that we are acquiring will run off over the next
few years without any need for outright sales, as will some of the MBS as individuals sell
or refinance their homes. Second, the yield curve currently has a steep upward slope.
Accordingly, we are now earning an abnormally high net rate of return by funding our
acquisition of long-term assets with almost zero-cost excess reserves--and this relative
yield relationship is likely to last for some time. Thus, in judging the potential budget
cost over time, any possible future interest-rate-related losses need to be balanced against
the current elevated level of our net interest income. Third, our purchases of long-term
securities are boosting economic activity and, in the process, increasing government tax
receipts relative to what they would have been in the absence of such purchases.6 All in
all, although we have now taken more interest rate risk onto our balance sheet than usual
(at a time when the private sector wants to avoid this risk), that action may boost, rather
than reduce, the cumulative net income of the Treasury.

6

Although any calculation of the effect of our asset purchases on the economy is highly uncertain,
estimates from our models suggest that nominal GDP could be as much as $1 trillion higher over the next
several years than it would be without the large-scale asset purchase program. Such stimulus would not
only significantly improve the economic welfare of our nation’s citizens, but also could provide the federal
government with as much as about $175 billion in greater tax revenues than it would otherwise receive.

-7Turning to our credit facilities, our usual lending through the discount window
has been extended to new intermediaries--including primary dealers, money market
mutual funds, and participants in securitization markets such as hedge funds and pension
funds. And we have intervened more directly in severely impaired markets, such as those
for commercial paper and securitized consumer and mortgage debt. We believe these
interventions have been successful in supporting economic growth by bringing down
interest rates on the instruments involved, preventing fire sales of assets by intermediaries
that would otherwise not have access to liquidity, and facilitating new lending.
These unusual extensions of our lending facilities have raised concerns about the
Federal Reserve taking on credit risk. While those concerns are understandable, I want to
emphasize that we have taken a variety of steps to minimize credit risk in setting up the
various nontraditional and temporary credit facilities that we have made available to a
number of new borrowers. For almost all the loans we have made, we look first to sound
borrowers for repayment and then to underlying collateral. Moreover, we lend less than
the value of the collateral, with the size of the “haircuts” depending on the riskiness of
the collateral and on the availability of market prices for the collateral. Some of our
lending programs involve nonrecourse loans that look primarily to the collateral rather
than to the borrower for repayment. In these instances, we typically have taken only the
highest-quality collateral, and, in many cases, we have coordinated with the Treasury to
have other sources available to absorb any losses that might nonetheless occur. An
example of a program that relies importantly on monetary-fiscal coordination is the Term
Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, whereby protection against credit risk takes the

-8form of capital provided by the Treasury, using funds appropriated by the Congress for
the Troubled Asset Relief Program.
To be sure, loans or credit protection offered in association with government help
to stabilize individual systemically important institutions likely have higher credit risk
than our more general liquidity facilities. But even in these few cases, which occurred
under emergency conditions, we have taken steps to protect the Federal Reserve from
credit losses and have asked the Treasury to take these loans off our balance sheet. To
reduce the risk of future problems here, a new regulatory regime should be developed
that will allow the U.S. government to address effectively at an early stage the potential
failure of any systemically critical financial institution.
Finally, there is the question of whether the Federal Reserve has become involved
in the inherently fiscal function of allocating credit to specific sectors of the economy.
Because of the lack of liquidity, risk-taking, and arbitrage in markets, we have been
forced to counter tight financial conditions through interventions in particular markets,
which can have differential effects. But our actions have been aimed at increasing credit
flows for the entire economy, and they have been effective in that regard. For example,
our large-scale asset purchases of agency securities and agency-guaranteed MBS have
helped mortgage markets, but they also appear to have put downward pressure on other
long-term interest rates, as we expected. Similarly, our other efforts to supply liquidity to
the financial system have been intended to be broad based, helping banks, investment
banks, and money market mutual funds perform their intermediary functions and helping
restart widely utilized securitization markets.

-9Both the Treasury and the Federal Reserve understand, and have acknowledged in
the joint statement released on March 23, that it is important for the Federal Reserve to
avoid credit risk and credit allocation. 7 Our lender-of-last-resort responsibilities should
only involve lending that is appropriately secured. Actions taken by the Federal Reserve
should also aim to improve financial and credit conditions broadly and not to allocate
credit to narrowly defined sectors or classes of borrowers, as any decisions to influence
the allocation of credit is the role of fiscal policy. Moreover, I believe the essential role
for an independent monetary policy authority pursuing financial stability, economic
growth, and price stability remains widely appreciated. Indeed, the joint statement of the
Treasury and the Federal Reserve also included an agreement to continue to pursue
additional tools to control our balance sheet to reinforce our ability to conduct an
independent policy in pursuit of our macroeconomic objectives--the final topic that I will
discuss today.
Transition Back to More Traditional Monetary Policy
An important issue with our nontraditional policies is the transition back to a
more normal stance and operations of monetary policy as financial conditions improve
and economic activity picks up enough to increase resource utilization. These actions
will be critical to ensuring price stability as the real economy returns to normal. The
decision about the timing of a turnaround in policy will be similar to that faced by the
Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) in every cyclical downturn--it has to choose
when, and how quickly, to start raising the federal funds rate. In the current

7

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and U.S. Department of the Treasury (2009), “The
Role of the Federal Reserve in Preserving Financial and Monetary Stability: Joint Statement by the
Department of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve,” joint press release, March 23,
www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/monetary/20090323b.htm.

- 10 circumstances, the difference will be that we will have to start this process with an
unusually large and more extended balance sheet.
In my view, the economy is only now beginning to show signs that it might be
stabilizing, and the upturn, when it begins, is likely to be gradual amid the balance sheet
repair of financial intermediaries and households. As a consequence, it probably will be
some time before the FOMC will need to begin to raise its target for the federal funds
rate. Nonetheless, to ensure confidence in our ability to sustain price stability, we need to
have a framework for managing our balance sheet when it is time to move to contain
inflation pressures.
Our expanded liquidity facilities have been explicitly designed to wind down as
conditions in financial markets return to normal, because the costs of using these facilities
are set higher than would typically prevail in private markets during more usual times.
Indeed, some of our emergency facilities--the Term Securities Lending Facility and the
Primary Dealer Credit Facility--have already seen reduced use as funding markets have
returned to more normal functioning. Managing the assets acquired under our large-scale
asset purchase program will require a different set of techniques. As I have already
noted, some portion of these assets will run off on their own. In addition, we can actively
manage the asset levels down by selling the assets outright or on a temporary basis
through reverse-repurchase transactions. Moreover, we could run off these holdings
slowly while still raising the federal funds rate if we increased the rate paid on excess
reserves held at the Federal Reserve. In principle, the rate paid on excess reserves should
act as a floor on the federal funds rate; although recent experience suggests that it may
not establish a hard floor, that experience has been influenced by the unwillingness of

- 11 banks to arbitrage in size in the current circumstances when they are worried about their
capital. Finally, as I’ve already noted, the Administration has said it will work with us
and the Congress to get us an additional tool for absorbing reserves.
Conclusion
Experiences studied over a range of countries and periods of history tell us that
central banks need a degree of insulation from short-term political pressures if they are to
consistently foster the achievement of their medium-term macroeconomic objectives of
price stability and high employment. This independence in the conduct of monetary
policy has been supported by minimizing the fiscal implications of monetary policy
operations. The Federal Reserve has attempted to maintain this separation while
extending the range of our open market operations and discount window lending. But
changing policy interaction and greater cooperation between fiscal and monetary
authorities have been an inevitable aspect of effective policy initiatives to meet our
macroeconomic objectives in the current financial and economic crises. As the economic
recovery takes hold, we will need to return to more normal modes of operation--a
circumstance this central banker is very much looking forward to.