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August 4, 2009

Statement of
Daniel K. Tarullo
Member
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
before the
Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
United States Senate

August 4, 2009

Chairman Dodd, Ranking Member Shelby, and other members of the Committee, thank
you for your invitation to testify this morning. The financial crisis had many causes, including
global imbalances in savings and capital flows, the rapid integration of lending activities with the
issuance, trading, and financing of securities, the existence of gaps in the regulatory structure for
the financial system, and widespread failures of risk management across a range of financial
institutions. Just as the crisis had many causes, the response of policymakers must be broad in
scope and multifaceted.
Improved prudential supervision—the topic of today's hearing—is a necessary component
of the policy response. The crisis revealed supervisory shortcomings among all financial
regulators, to be sure. But it also demonstrated that the framework for prudential supervision
and regulation had not kept pace with changes in the structure, activities, and growing
interrelationships of the financial sector. Accordingly, it is essential both to refocus the
regulation and supervision of banking institutions under existing authorities and to augment
those authorities in certain respects.
In my testimony today, I will begin by suggesting the elements of an effective framework
for prudential supervision. Then I will review actions taken by the Federal Reserve within its
existing statutory authorities to strengthen supervision of banks and bank holding companies in
light of developments in the banking system and the lessons of the financial crisis. Finally, I will
identify some gaps and weaknesses in the system of prudential supervision. One potential gap
has already been addressed through the cooperative effort of federal and state banking agencies
to prevent insured depository institutions from engaging in "regulatory arbitrage" through charter
conversions. Others, however, will require congressional action.

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Elements of an Effective Framework for Prudential Supervision
An effective framework for the prudential regulation and supervision of banking
institutions includes four basic elements.
First, of course, there must be sound regulation and supervision of each insured
depository institution. Applicable regulations must be well-designed to promote the safety and
soundness of the institution. Less obvious, perhaps, but of considerable importance, is the
usefulness of establishing regulatory requirements that make use of market discipline to help
confine undue risk-taking in banking institutions. Supervisory policies and techniques also must
be up to the task of enforcing and supplementing regulatory requirements.
Second, there must be effective supervision of the companies that own insured depository
institutions. The scope and intensity of this supervision should vary with the extent and
complexity of activities conducted by the parent company or its nonbank subsidiaries. When a
bank holding company is essentially a shell, with negligible activities or ownership stakes
outside the bank itself, holding company regulation can be less intensive and more modest in
scope. But when material activities or funding are conducted at the holding company level, or
when the parent owns nonbank entities, the intensity of scrutiny must increase in order to protect
the bank from both the direct and indirect risks of such activities or affiliations and to ensure that
the holding company is able to serve as a source of strength to the bank on a continuing basis.
The task of holding company supervision thus involves an examination of the relationships
between the bank and its affiliates as well as an evaluation of risks associated with those
nonbank affiliates. Consolidated capital requirements also play a key role, by helping ensure that
a holding company maintains adequate capital to support its group-wide activities and does not
become excessively leveraged.

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Third, there cannot be significant gaps or exceptions in the supervisory and regulatory
coverage of insured depository institutions and the firms that own them. Obviously, the goals of
prudential supervision will be defeated if some institutions are able to escape the rules and
requirements designed to achieve those goals. There is a less obvious kind of gap, however,
where supervisors are restricted from obtaining relevant information or reaching activities that
could pose risks to banking organizations.
Fourth, prudential supervision—especially of larger institutions—must complement and
support regulatory measures designed to contain systemic risk and the too-big-to-fail problem,
topics that I have discussed in previous appearances before this Committee.1 One clear lesson of
the financial crisis is that important financial risks may not be readily apparent if supervision
focuses only on the exposures and activities of individual institutions. For example, the liquidity
strategy of a banking organization may appear sound when viewed in isolation but, when
examined alongside parallel strategies of other institutions, may be found to be inadequate to
withstand periods of financial stress.
Strengthening Prudential Supervision and Regulation
The crisis has revealed significant risk-management deficiencies at a wide range of
financial institutions, including banking organizations. It also has challenged some of the
assumptions and analysis on which conventional supervisory wisdom has been based. For
example, the collapse of Bear Stearns, which at the end was unable to borrow privately even with
U.S. government securities as collateral, has undermined the widely held belief that a company
can readily borrow against high-quality collateral, even in stressed environments. Moreover, the
1
See Daniel K. Tarullo (2009), "Regulatory Restructuring," statement before the Committee on Banking, Housing,
and Urban Affairs, U.S. Senate, July 23, www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/testimony/tarullo20090723a.htm; and
Daniel K. Tarullo (2009), "Modernizing Bank Supervision and Regulation," statement before the Committee on
Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, U.S. Senate, March 19,
www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/testimony/tarullo20090319a.htm.

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growing co-dependency between financial institutions and markets—evidenced by the significant
role that investor and counterparty runs played in the crisis—implies that supervisors must pay
closer attention to the potential for financial markets to influence the safety and soundness of
banking organizations. These and other lessons of the financial crisis have led to changes in
regulatory and supervisory practices in order to improve prudential oversight of banks and bank
holding companies, as well as to advance a macroprudential, or systemic, regulatory agenda.
Working with other domestic and foreign supervisors, the Federal Reserve has taken
steps to require the strengthening of capital, liquidity, and risk management at banking
organizations. There is little doubt that, in the period before the crisis, capital levels were
insufficient to serve as a needed buffer against loss, particularly at some of the largest financial
institutions, both in the United States and elsewhere. Measures to strengthen the capital
requirements for trading activities and securitization exposures—two areas where banking
organizations have experienced greater losses than anticipated—were recently announced by the
Basel Committee on Banking Supervision. Additional efforts are under way to improve the
quality of the capital used to satisfy minimum capital ratios, to strengthen the capital
requirements for other types of on- and off-balance-sheet exposures, and to establish capital
buffers in good times that can be drawn down as economic and financial conditions deteriorate.
Capital buffers, though not easy to design or implement in an efficacious fashion, could be an
especially important step in reducing the procyclical effects of the current capital rules. Further
review of accounting standards governing valuation and loss provisioning also would be useful,
and might result in modifications to the accounting rules that reduce their procyclical effects
without compromising the goals of disclosure and transparency.

-5The Federal Reserve also helped lead the Basel Committee's development of enhanced
principles of liquidity risk management, which were issued last year.2 Following up on that
initiative, on June 30, 2009, the federal banking agencies requested public comment on new
Interagency Guidance on Funding and Liquidity Risk Management, which is designed to
incorporate the Basel Committee's principles and clearly articulate consistent supervisory
expectations on liquidity risk management.3 The guidance re-emphasizes the importance of cash
flow forecasting, adequate buffers of contingent liquidity, rigorous stress testing, and robust
contingent funding planning processes. It also highlights the need for institutions to better
incorporate liquidity costs, benefits, and risks in their internal product pricing, performance
measurement, and new product approval process for all material business lines, products, and
activities.
With respect to bank holding companies specifically, the supervisory program of the
Federal Reserve has undergone some basic changes. As everyone is aware, many of the
financial firms that lay at the center of the crisis were not bank holding companies; some were
not subject to mandatory prudential supervision of any sort. During the crisis a number of very
large firms became bank holding companies—in part to reassure markets that they were subject to
prudential oversight and, in some cases, to qualify for participation in various government
liquidity support programs. The extension of holding company status to these firms, many of
which are not primarily composed of a commercial bank, highlights the degree to which the
traditional approach to holding company supervision must evolve.

2

See Basel Committee on Banking Supervision (2008), Principles for Sound Liquidity Risk Management and
Supervision (Basel, Switzerland: Bank for International Settlements, September), www.bis.org/publ/bcbsl44.htm.
3
See Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, Federal
Deposit Insurance Corporation, Office of Thrift Supervision, and National Credit Union Administration (2009),
"Agencies Seek Comment on Proposed Interagency Guidance on Funding and Liquidity Risk Management," joint
press release, June 30, www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/press/bcreg/20090630a.htm.

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Recent experience also reinforces the value of holding company supervision in addition
to, and distinct from, bank supervision. Large organizations increasingly operate and manage
their businesses on an integrated basis with little regard for the corporate boundaries that
typically define the jurisdictions of individual functional supervisors. Indeed, the crisis has
highlighted the financial, managerial, operational, and reputational linkages among the bank,
securities, commodity, and other units of financial firms.
The customary focus on protecting the bank within a holding company, while necessary,
is clearly not sufficient in an era in which systemic risk can arise wholly outside of insured
depository institutions. Similarly, the premise of functional regulation that risks within a
diversified organization can be evaluated and managed properly through supervision focused on
individual subsidiaries within the firm has been undermined further; the need for greater
attention to the potential for damage to the bank, the organization within which it operates, and,
in some cases, the financial system generally, requires a more comprehensive and integrated
assessment of activities throughout the holding company.
Appropriate enhancements of both prudential and consolidated supervision will only
increase the need for supervisors to be able to draw on a broad foundation of economic and
financial knowledge and experience. That is why we are incorporating economists and other
experts from non-supervisory divisions of the Federal Reserve more completely into the process
of supervisory oversight. The insights gained from the macroeconomic analyses associated with
the formulation of monetary policy and from the familiarity with financial markets derived from
our open market operations and payments systems responsibilities can add enormous value to
holding company supervision.

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The recently completed Supervisory Capital Assessment Program (SCAP) heralds some
of the changes in the Federal Reserve's approach to prudential supervision of the largest banking
organizations. This unprecedented process involved, at its core, forward-looking, cross-firm, and
aggregate analyses of the 19 largest bank holding companies, which together control a majority
of the assets and loans within the financial system. Bank supervisors in the SCAP defined a
uniform set of parameters to apply to each firm being evaluated, which allowed us to evaluate on
a consistent basis the expected performance of the firms under both a baseline and more-adversethan-expected scenario, drawing on individual firm information and independently estimated
outcomes using supervisory models.
Drawing on this experience, we are prioritizing and expanding our program of horizontal
examinations to assess key operations, risks, and risk-management activities of large institutions.
For the largest and most complex firms, we are creating an enhanced quantitative surveillance
program that will use supervisory information, firm-specific data analysis, and market-based
indicators to identify developing strains and imbalances that may affect multiple institutions, as
well as emerging risks to specific firms. Periodic scenario analyses across large firms will
enhance our understanding of the potential impact of adverse changes in the operating
environment on individual firms and on the system as a whole. This work will be performed by
a multi-disciplinary group composed of our economic and market researchers, supervisors,
market operations specialists, and accounting and legal experts. This program will be distinct
from the activities of on-site examination teams so as to provide an independent supervisory
perspective as well as to complement the work of those teams.
Capital serves as an important bulwark against potential unexpected losses for banking
organizations of all sizes, not just the largest ones. Accordingly, internal capital analyses of

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banking organizations must reflect a wide range of scenarios and capture stress environments
that could impair solvency. Earlier this year, we issued supervisory guidance for all bank
holding companies regarding dividends, capital repurchases, and capital redemptions.4 That
guidance also reemphasized the Federal Reserve's long-standing position that bank holding
companies must serve as a source of strength for their subsidiary banks.
Commercial real estate (CRE) is one area of risk exposure that has gained much
attention recently. We began to observe rising CRE concentrations earlier this decade and, in
light of the central role that CRE lending played in the banking problems of the late 1980s and
early 1990s, led an interagency effort: to issue supervisory guidance directed at the risks posed by
CRE concentrations. This guidance, which generated significant controversy at the time it was
proposed, was finalized in 2006 and emphasized the need for banking organizations to
incorporate realistic risk estimates for CRE exposures into their strategic- and capital-planning
processes, and encouraged institutions to conduct stress tests or similar exercises to identify the
impact of potential CRE shocks on earnings and capital. Now that weaker housing markets and
deteriorating economic conditions have, in fact, impaired the quality of CRE loans at many
banking organizations, we are monitoring carefully the effect that declining collateral values may
have on CRE exposures and assessing the extent to which banking organizations have been
complying with the CRE guidance. At the same time, we have taken actions to ensure that
supervisory and regulatory policies and practices do not inadvertently curtail the availability of
credit to sound borrowers.

4

See Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (2009), Supervision and Regulation Letter SR 09-4,
"Applying Supervisory Guidance and Regulations on the Payment of Dividends, Stock Redemptions, and Stock
Repurchases at Bank Holding Companies," February 24 (as revised on March 27, 2009),
www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/srletters/2009/SR0904.htm.

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While CRE exposures represent perhaps an "old" problem, the crisis has newly
highlighted the potential for compensation practices at financial institutions to encourage
excessive risk-taking and unsafe and unsound behavior—not just by senior executives, but also by
other managers or employees who have the ability, individually or collectively, to materially
alter the risk profile of the institution. Bonuses and other compensation arrangements should not
provide incentives for employees at any level to behave in ways that imprudently increase risks
to the institution, and potentially to the financial system as a whole. The Federal Reserve
worked closely with other supervisors represented on the Financial Stability Board to develop
principles for sound compensation practices, which were released earlier this year. 5 The Federal
Reserve expects to issue soon our own guidance on this important subject to promote
compensation practices that are consistent with sound risk-management principles and safe and
sound banking.
Finally, I would note the importance of continuing to analyze the practices of financial
firms and supervisors that preceded the crisis, with the aim of fashioning additional regulatory
tools that will make prudential supervision more effective and efficient. One area that warrants
particular attention is the potential for supervisory agencies to enlist market discipline in pursuit
of regulatory ends. For example, supervisors might require that large financial firms maintain
specific forms of capital so as to increase their ability to absorb losses outside of a bankruptcy or
formal resolution procedure. Such capital could be in contingent form, converting to common
equity only when necessary because of extraordinary losses. While the costs, benefits, and
feasibility of this type of capital requires further study, policymakers should actively seek ways

5

See Financial Stability Forum (2009), FSF Principles for Sound Compensation Practices, April 2,
www.financialstabilityboard.org/publications/r_0904b.pdf. The Financial Stability Forum has subsequently been
renamed the Financial Stability Board.

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of motivating the private owners of banking organizations to monitor the financial positions of
the issuing firms more effectively.
Addressing Gaps and Weaknesses in the Regulatory Framework
While the actions that I have just discussed should help make banking organizations and
the financial system stronger and more resilient, the crisis also has highlighted gaps and
weaknesses in the underlying framework for prudential supervision of financial institutions that
no regulatory agency can rectify on its own. One, which I will mention in a moment, has been
addressed by the banking agencies working together. Others require congressional attention.
Charter Conversions and Regulatory Arbitrage
The dual banking system and the existence of different federal supervisors create the
opportunity for insured depository institutions to change charters or federal supervisors. While
institutions may engage in charter conversions for a variety of sound business reasons,
conversions that are motivated by a hope of escaping current or prospective supervisory actions
by the institution's existing supervisor undermine the efficacy of the prudential supervisory
framework.
Accordingly, the Federal Reserve welcomed and immediately supported an initiative led
by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to address such regulatory arbitrage. This
initiative resulted in a recent statement of the Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council
reaffirming that charter conversions or other actions by an insured depository institution that
would result in a change in its primary supervisor should occur only for legitimate business and
strategic reasons.6 Importantly, this statement also provides that conversion requests should not
be entertained by the proposed new chartering authority or supervisor while serious or material

6

See Federal Financial Institutions Examination Council (2009), "FFIEC Issues Statement on Regulatory
Conversions, press release, July 1, www.ffiec.gov/press/pr070109.htm.

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enforcement actions are pending with the institution's current chartering authority or primary
federal supervisor. In addition, it provides that the examination rating of an institution and any
outstanding corrective action programs should remain in place when a valid conversion or
supervisory change does occur.
Systemically Important Financial Institutions
The Lehman experience clearly demonstrates that the financial system and the broader
economy can be placed at risk by the failure of financial firms that traditionally have not been
subject to the type of consolidated supervision applied to bank holding companies. As I
discussed in my most recent testimony before this Committee, the Federal Reserve believes that
all systemically importantfinancialfirms—notjust those affiliated with a bank—should be subject
to, and robustly supervised under, a statutory framework for consolidated supervision like the
one embodied in the Bank Holding Company Act (BHC Act).
Doing so would help promote the safety and soundness of these firms individually and
the stability of the financial system generally. Indeed, given the significant adverse effects that
the failure of such a firm may have on the financial system and the broader economy, the goals
and implementation of prudential supervision and systemic risk reduction are inextricably
intertwined in the case of these organizations. For example, while the strict capital, liquidity,
and risk-management requirements that are needed for these organizations are traditional tools of
prudential supervision, the supervisor of such firms will need to calibrate these standards
appropriately to account for the firms' systemic importance.
Industrial Loan Companies and Thrifts
Another gap in existing law involves industrial loan companies (ILCs). ILCs are statechartered banks that have full access to the federal safety net, including FDIC deposit insurance

and the Federal Reserve's discount window and payments systems; have virtually all of the
deposit-taking powers of commercial banks; and may engage in the full range of other banking
services, including commercial, mortgage, credit card, and consumer lending activities, as well
as cash management services, trust services, and payment-related services, such as Fedwire,
automated clearinghouse, and check-clearing services.
A loophole in current law, ho wever, permits any type of firm—including a commercial
company or foreign bank—to acquire an FDIC-insured ILC chartered in a handful of states
without becoming subject to the prudential framework that the Congress has established for the
corporate owners of other full-service insured banks. Prior to the crisis, several large firmsincluding Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, GMAC, and
General Electric—took advantage of this opportunity by acquiring ILCs while avoiding
consolidated supervision under the BHC Act.
The Federal Reserve has long supported closing this loophole, subject to appropriate
"grandfather" provisions for the existing owners of ILCs. Such an approach would prevent
additional firms from acquiring a full-service bank and escaping the consolidated supervision
framework and activity restrictions that apply to bank holding companies. It also would require
that all firms controlling an ILC, including a grandfathered firm, be subject to consolidated
supervision. For reasons of fairness, the Board believes that the limited number of firms that
currently own an ILC and are not otherwise subject to the BHC Act should be permitted to retain
their nonbanking or commercial affiliations, subject to appropriate restrictions to protect the
federal safety net and prevent abuses.
Corporate owners of savings associations should also be subject to the same regulation
and examination as corporate owners of insured banks. In addition, grandfathered commercial

owners of savings associations should, like we advocate for corporate owners of ILCs, be subject
to appropriate restrictions to protect the federal safety net and prevent abuses.
Strengthening the Framework for Consolidated Supervision
Consolidated supervision is intended to provide a supervisor the tools necessary to
understand, monitor, and, when appropriate, restrain the risks associated with an organization's
consolidated or group-wide activities. Risks that cross legal entities and that are managed on a
consolidated basis cannot be monitored properly through supervision directed at any one, or even
several, of the legal entity subdivisions within the overall organization.
To be fully effective, consolidated supervisors need the information and ability to
identify and address risks throughout an organization. However, the BHC Act, as amended by
the so-called Fed-lite provisions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, places material limitations on
the ability of the Federal Reserve to examine, obtain reports from, or take actions to identify or
address risks with respect to both nonbank and depository institution subsidiaries of a bank
holding company that are supervised by other agencies. Consistent with these provisions, we
have worked with other regulators and, wherever possible, sought to make good use of the
information and analysis they provide. In the process, we have built cooperative relationships
with other regulators—relationships that we expect to continue and strengthen further.
Nevertheless, the restrictions in current law still can present challenges to timely and
effective consolidated supervision in light of, among other things, differences in supervisory
models—for example, between the safety and soundness approach favored by bank supervisors
and the approaches used by regulators of insurance and securities subsidiaries—and differences in
supervisory timetables, resources, and priorities. Moreover, the growing linkages among the
bank, securities, insurance, and other entities within a single organization that I mentioned earlier

- 14heighten the potential for these restrictions to hinder effective group-wide supervision of firms,
particularly large and complex organizations. To ensure that consolidated supervisors have the
necessary tools and authorities to monitor and address safety and soundness concerns in all parts
of an organization on a timely basis, we would urge statutory modifications to the Fed-lite
provisions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Such changes, for example, should remove the
limits first imposed in 1999 on the scope and type of information that the Federal Reserve may
obtain from subsidiaries of bank holding companies in furtherance of its consolidated
supervision responsibilities, and on the ability of the Federal Reserve to take action against
subsidiaries to address unsafe and unsound practices and enforce compliance with applicable
law.
Limiting the Costs of Bank Failures
The timely closing and resolution of failing insured depository institutions is critical to
limiting the costs of a failure to the deposit insurance fund. 7 The conditions governing when the
Federal Reserve may close a failing state member bank, however, are significantly more
restrictive than those under which the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency may close a
national bank, and are even more restrictive than those governing the FDIC's backup authority to
close an insured depository institution after consultation with the appropriate primary federal
and, if applicable, state banking supervisor. The Federal Reserve generally may close a state
member bank only for capital-related reasons. The grounds for which the OCC or FDIC may
close a bank include a variety of non-capital-related conditions, such as if the institution is facing
liquidity pressures that make it likely to be unable to pay its obligations in the normal course of

7

Similarly, the creation of a resolution regime that would provide the government the tools it needs to wind down a
systemically important nonbank financial firm in an orderly way and impose losses on shareholders and creditors
where possible would help the government protect the financial system and economy while reducing the potential
cost to taxpayers and mitigating moral hazard.

- 15business or if the institution is otherwise in an unsafe or unsound condition to transact business.
We hope that the Congress will consider providing the Federal Reserve powers to close a state
member bank that are similar to those possessed by other federal banking agencies.
In view of the number of bank failures that have occurred over the past 18 months and
the resulting costs to the deposit insurance fund, policymakers also should explore whether
additional triggers—beyond the capital ratios in the current Prompt Corrective Action
framework—may be more effective in promoting the timely resolution of troubled institutions at
lower cost to the insurance fund. Capital is a lagging indicator of financial difficulties in most
instances, and one or more additional measures, perhaps based on asset quality, may be worthy
of analysis and consideration.
Conclusion
Thank you for the opportunity to testify on these important matters. We look forward to
working with the Congress, the Administration, and the other banking agencies to ensure that the
framework for prudential supervision of banking organizations and other financial institutions
adjusts, as it must, to meet the challenges our dynamic and increasingly interconnected financial
system.