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9 30 a m , E D T
September 14, 1988

Testimony by

Alan Greenspan

Chairman, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

before the

Subcommittee on Monopolies and Commercial Law

Committee on the Judiciary

U S

House of Representatives

September 14, 1988

Mr

Chairman, members of the Committee, I am pleased to take

this opportunity to present the Federal Reserve Board's views on the
competitive and concentration of resources implications of H R
the Depository Institutions Act of 1988

5094,

The promotion of competition

in the financial services industry, and prevention of the undue
concentration of resources, are important goals of Federal Reserve
regulatory policy

Indeed, we are required to pursue these objectives

by the Bank Holding Company Act
For several years the Board has argued forcefully that our
laws regarding financial structure need substantial revision in order to
sustain and promote competitive financial institutions

We have

strongly supported repeal of the Glass-Steagall separations of
commercial and investment banking, and are very much in favor of the
Financial Modernization Act passed by the Senate, including its
establishment of the bank holding company subsidiary framework for
expanded securities powers

We believe this framework, which is also

the approach of the proposed Depository Institutions Act, is the best
available, can be tested in the "real world" of financial institutions,
and, if it proves as effective as we expect, should serve as a
foundation on which to build more generally for the future

I urge the

Committee to support the establishment of this approach to expanded
securities powers
Without denigrating the importance of encouraging competition
and prevention of the undue concentration of resources, it must be
remembered that there are other important goals of regulatory policy

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Here also the Bank Holding Company Act includes principles that made
good sense when they were first enacted and that make good sense today
By these I mean that the Bank Holding Company Act also requires us to
consider, in determining the appropriateness of new activities for bank
holding companies, whether the activities will result in unsafe and
unsound banking practices, decreased competition, or conflicts of
interest

Over the years we have interpreted these principles to be

consistent with our efforts to promote competitive and efficient capital
markets and to protect impartiality in the granting of credit, to avoid
the risk of systemic failure of the insured depository system, and to
prevent the extension of the federal safety net to nonbankmg
activities
I am sure it will come as no surprise when I tell you that
success in achieving these multiple objectives is neither easy nor
assured, and that one goal can sometimes be in conflict with another
For example, some proposed new powers are relatively risky, and it may
be necessary to sacrifice some competitive benefits in order to insulate
these new activities from an affiliated bank

Here again, we believe

that the bank holding company subsidiary framework that would be
established by both the Senate's bill and the Depository Institutions
Act of 1988 appropriately balances our complex goals
Since the Bank Holding Company Act provides the foundation of
our current and hopefully our future approach to dealing with
competition issues, I should like briefly to review how the Federal
Reserve uses that act in this area

I will argue that the existing

provisions of the Bank Holding Company Act are fully adequate to address

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these concerns

The final section of my testimony discusses in some

detail why the Board feels that reform of the Glass-Steagall Act is
procompetitive, identifies those provisions of the proposed Depository
Institutions Act of 1988 that we feel go too far in restricting the
expected benefits of increased competition, and explains why we feel the
issue of the undue concentration of resources is not a major concern

I

Board Supports the Bank Holding Company Act Approach to Competition
The Board is generally comfortable with and supports the

provisions of H R

5094 aimed at maintaining competition

The proposed

bill's provisions on competition retain the principles set down in the
Bank Holding Company Act as amended in 1970

These principles require

that the Board not approve any acquisition or merger that would result
in a monopoly, attempt to monopolize, or substantially lessen
competition in any section of the nation, unless the anticompetitive
effects are clearly outweighed by other public interest concerns
believe that these principles continue to make good sense

We

Moreover,

they have proven to be workable and effective in practice during almost
two decades of experience

Thus, the banking system has remained highly

competitive and there has been no general tendency toward an undue
concentration of financial resources during this period even as bank
holding companies entered various nonbanking activities approved by the
Board
In addition to the sensible principles and proven efficacy
of the Bank Holding Company Act approach to competition, a relatively
efficient administrative framework is already in place

In particular,

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prior approval from the Federal Reserve is now required for
acquisitions by bank holding companies of banks and nonbank firms
Further, the Federal Reserve must assess, among other things, the
competitive effects of all acquisitions

This assessment begins with an

analysis that focuses on the impact of an acquisition on traditional
structural measures such as the concentration ratio and the Herfindahl
index

If a particular acquisition proposal raises substantive

competitive issues based on purely structural measures, additional
factors are taken into account

Most notable among these are (1) the

possible competitive influence of nonbank firms, especially thrift
institutions and (2) the importance of potential competition, that is,
the likely influence of firms outside the particular market on the
pricing behavior of participants in that market

This analytical

approach applies to both bank and nonbank acquisitions
In short, I think that the competition principles that are
contained in both the Bank Holding Company Act and the proposed bill
have been and can continue to be efficiently and effectively applied
with established administrative machinery and the application of
established economic analysis

There is a track record and it has

worked

II
A

Specific Comments on H.R

5094

Expanded securities powers are procompetitive
Repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act would increase the number of

actual and potential competitors in the investment banking industry
Many of the major bank holding companies have made clear their

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intentions to quickly take advantage of expanded securities powers,
should they be granted, and it is our expectation that more bank holding
companies would follow if Glass-Steagall is repealed

For example, many

banks and bank holding companies that currently underwrite and deal in
municipal general obligations would likely seek additional powers in at
least the municipal revenue bond area, and possibly in corporate bonds
as well

With banks outside of money markets engaging in investment

banking, the Board anticipates that local and regional firms would very
possibly acquire direct access to capital markets that is similar not
only to the access now available to large corporations, but also to that
currently available to municipalities whose general obligation bonds are
underwritten by local banks
More generally, the major public benefit of Glass-Steagall
repeal would be lower customer costs and increased availability of
investment banking services, both resulting from increased actual and
potential competition and from the realization of possible economies of
scale and scope from the coordinated provision of commercial and
investment banking services

We believe that repeal of Glass-Steagall

would reduce underwriting spreads and therefore lower financing costs to
businesses large and small, as well as to state and local governments
In addition, bank holding company participation in dealing currently
ineligible securities is likely to provide the benefit of enhanced
secondary market liquidity
Studies of the market structure of investment banking suggest
that at least portions of this industry are fairly concentrated
Evidence in this regard was provided in the September 1987 Report of the

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House Committee on Government Operations, which presented data
supporting its conclusion that corporate securities underwriting is
highly concentrated

In 1986, the five largest underwriters of

commercial paper accounted for over 90 percent of the market, the five
largest underwriters of all domestic corporate debt accounted for almost
70 percent of the market, and the five largest underwriters of public
stock issues accounted for almost half of the market

Data for 1987 and

1988 indicate that these numbers have remained essentially unchanged
I would emphasize that these data, while very suggestive, do
not necessarily imply that concentration has led to higher consumer
costs

The possibility, or potential, that new firms will enter a

market may be sufficient to achieve competitive prices

However, it is

precisely here that the Glass-Steagall Act is so troublesome

Bank

holding companies, with their existing expertise in many securities
activities and their broad financial skills and industry networks, would
be the most likely potential competitors of investment banks if not
constrained by law
Repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act LS also consistent with
technological changes that are occurring in the financial services
industry—changes that are inhibiting the ability of banking
organizations to be effective competitors both now and in the future
Unless there are compelling public policy reasons to continue the
current Glass-Steagall restrictions—and we see none—society will incur
unnecessary costs as bank holding companies' specialized resources are
repositioned into other activities, not because of bank holding

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companies' unwillingness to compete or innovate, but simply because of
an inflexible statutory and regulatory structure
The technological changes I am referring to--and that I and
other members of the Board have discussed on many previous occasions—
are developments in computer and communications technology that have
enabled both borrowers and lenders to more easily and at lower cost
obtain and use credit and market risk information,

This strikes at the

very heart of the value-added of financial intermediation

More

specifically, service organizations or investors' own on-line data
bases, coupled with powerful computers and wide-ranging
telecommunication facilities, can now provide potential investors with
virtually the same timely credit and market information that was once
available only to the intermediaries

There are numerous examples of

new financial products that have resulted from this technological
revolution and that challenge traditional bank loans--the explosion in
the use of commerciaJ paper, the rapid growth of mortgage-backed
securities, and the invention of consumer-receivable-related securities
It seems reasonable to assume that the trend toward direct investorborrower linkage, or more securitization, will continue
Bank holding companies, of course, have not ignored these
vast changes and, indeed, have responded to the technological revolution
by participating in it

However, it is here once again that the Glass-

Steagall Act is particularly constraining.

The provision of investment

banking services, particularly to corporate clients, is at the cutting
edge of the information revolution

The ability of banking

organizations to hold their competitive position by continuing to

operate on the margins of customer services is limited

Unless the

Glass-Steagall Act is repealed, the constraints it imposes, along with
the continued undermining of the bank franchise by the new technology,
are likely to limit the future ability of bank holding companies to
contribute to and encourage a competitive and efficient economy
B

Some provisions of the bill unnecessarily inhibit competition
As I noted in my introductory remarks, the encouragement of

competition is not the only objective of Federal Reserve regulatory
policy

Other important objectives include a safe and sound banking

system, prevention of conflicts of interest, and limiting the federal
safety net to insured depositories

These objectives have led us to

support locating certain expanded nonbanking activities, including
expanded securities powers, in a separate subsidiary of a bank holding
company

Successful implementation of this strategy requires the

construction and maintenance of effective "firewalls" between a bank and
an affiliated securities firm

Thus, we support most of the firewall

provisions of the Depository Institutions Act of 1988
However, two of the firewall and securities activities
provisions of H R

5094 are, in our view, unnecessarily restrictive and

would, if implemented, impose competitive costs that exceed any
benefits

The first such provision is the exclusion of underwriting and

dealing corporate equities from the set of expanded securities
activities

In view of the extensive firewalls, particularly those

limiting credit transactions and asset sales, insulating affiliate banks
and thrifts from potential safety and soundness and conflict of interest

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concerns, we see no reason for an absolute firewall prohibiting equity
activities
A second place where we believe the proposed bill would
unnecessarily inhibit competition is its restrictions on the sharing of
similar name, logo, premises, and joint advertising between the
securities subsidiary and the affiliated bank or thrift

Restrictions

of this type would dilute and perhaps prevent some of the cost-saving
synergies and economies of scope that are expected from the joint
provision of these activities within a bank holding company

The other

extensive firewalls contained in the bill, and in the bill passed by the
Senate, are sufficient to insulate the bank from risk, to warn investors
of the nature of their risk, and to meet safety and soundness concerns
is this area
In addition to the securities provisions I have just
discussed, the Board believes that many of the insurance provisions of
the proposed bill would unnecessarily restrict competition and thereby
raise costs to consumers

The one exception is that part of the bill

that permits banks to provide financial guaranty insurance

Since my

colleague Governor Heller testified on the insurance provisions before
another committee of this House last Friday, I will not dwell on this
issue

However, let me emphasize that of particular concern to the

Board are the increased restrictions on the ability of banks to engage
in insurance agency activities

Insurance agency entails little risk,

has been engaged in safely by many banks for many years, and its
provision by banking organizations is clearly procompetitive

Aside

from deposit and loan activities, insurance is the one financial service

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that virtually all of our citizens use

Generalized bank insurance

agency services would reduce insurance costs to the public, and
modernize the delivery of a valuable product
C

Undue concentration provisions
Presumably because of the federal safety net and, therefore,

a concern over the potential size of failed institutions, banking is the
only industry to which laws explicitly restraining overall, or undue,
concentration apply

In addition, these restraints apply only to the

acquisition of nonbank firms by bank holding companies, and do not
appear in any of the nation's antitrust laws
The proposed bill contains specific numerical standards
prohibiting the acquisition of a securities firm by a bank holding
company

These standards include prohibition of a merger if both

parties are among the top 15 in their respective industries, or if the
bank holding company and securities firm have total assets greater than
$30 billion and $15 billion, respectively
While we recognize that the anxieties underlying inclusion of
new undue concentration standards in H R

5094 have a lengthy historical

tradition, there appears to be little foundation for such anxieties in
today's environment

This conclusion is supported by two observations

First, the nonbark financial sector in general remains highly
fragmented, in spite of the fact it is generally much less regulated
than banking

Second, the Board's experience in implementing section

4(c)(8) of the Bank Holding Company Act as amended in 1970, which allows
bank holding companies to enter nonbankmg activities approved by the
Board, has not been marked with any general tendency toward increasing

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overall concentration in the approved activities

Under section

4(c)(8), when considering expanded bank holding company powers the Board
is required to account for possible adverse effects such as undue
concentration of resources
Even a brief examination of the nonbank financial sector
illustrates that much of it is highly fragmented

For one thing, while

recent years have seen significant blurring of distinctions between
commercial and investment banking, the nonbank financial sector in
general has tended to remain segmented.

For example, different

companies have operated in insurance, commercial and consumer finance,
and mutual funds

Furthermore, within most of the major nonbank

financial services there are a large number of firms, including roughly
2,300 in life insurance underwriting, 3,500 in property and casualty
insurance underwriting, 1,700 in commercial and consumer finance, and
650 in mutual funds

Without any significant regulatory standards to

inhibit them, market forces have not shown any notable tendency toward
undue levels of aggregate concentration in the nonbank financial sector
Just as the nonbank financial sector in general has remained
disaggregated, the activities approved since 1970 by the Board as
permissible for bank holding companies have also generally remained
unconcentrated

Acquisitions by bank holding companies in most of the

25 nonbanking activities approved by the Board have been modest
Indeed, most of the bank holding companies that entered activities such
as underwriting credit life insurance, operating insurance agencies,
providing financial advice, and engaging in data processing, have done

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so on a de novo basis

Such entry is procompetitive and has extremely

little effect on overall asset concentration
In a few activities, including mortgage banking, consumer
finance, and factoring, bank holding companies have not only expanded de
novo but have also expanded significantly by acquisitions subject, of
course, to review by the Federal Reserve applying the competition and
undue concentration standards of the Bank Holding Company Act

In spite

of entry by bank holding companies, mortgage banking and consumer
finance remain relatively unconcentrated, bank holding companies have
not dominated or taken over these industries, and overall financial
sector concentration has not been appreciably increased because of the
relatively small size of the acquired nonbank firms and their activities
compared to banking

While factoring has become dominated by bank

holding companies, because of the small absolute size of factoring in
the financial sector, the role of bank holding companies has not
materially affected financial concentration in the United States
In short, based on the experience of bank holding companies
in nonbankmg activities, the experience of the nonbank financial sector
in general, and the apparent effectiveness of current provisions of the
Bank Holding Company Act, there seems to be little foundation for
concern with the issue of undue concentration of resources

However, we

recognize that many people are concerned about this issue, and because
we view the reform of Glass-Steagall as having the highest priority, we
continue not to oppose the expanded concentration of resources
provisions of the proposed bill

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In closing, Mr

Chairman, the Board believes that the

Congress now has an historic opportunity to put the nation's financial
system on a sounder footing—perhaps a unique opportunity to make it
more competitive, more efficient, more responsive to consumer needs, and
equally important, more stable

It would be a major waste of Congress'

and others' scarce resources if all the hard work on this subject of the
last year were lost

We urge you in the strongest terms to aid in the

passage of legislation to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act and to put in
its place a new framework allowing the affiliation of banking
organizations and securities firms as provided in the Financial
Modernization Act and our suggested revisions to the Depository
Institutions Act