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Testimony by

Alan Greenspan

Chairman, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

before the

Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

United States Senate

January 5, 1995

I am pleased to be here today with the other members of
the President's Working Group on Financial Markets to discuss
issues involving municipal, corporate, and individual users of
derivative products and highly leveraged investment strategies
Over the past year, losses by some institutions, including
corporations and governmental units, have attracted considerable
attention.

Much of this attention has been on so-called

"derivative" instruments, although that term is poorly defined
and it is by no means clear that these losses have been
attributable solely, or in some cases, even primarily, to
financial instruments that would typically be called derivatives
We need to view these issues in a broad context

The

decline in the value of many portfolios has been a consequence of
the rise in interest rates over the past year

This rise was a

by-product of a strong economic expansion and of the efforts by
the Federal Reserve to foster conditions that will sustain the
expansion.

Many investors and borrowers had established

positions that were especially vulnerable to higher rates

These

positions were taken during a prolonged period of recession and
sub-par economic growth in which interest rates were relatively
low and declining and the yield curve was steeply upward sloped
Furthermore, interest rate volatility was relatively low
throughout this period

This unusual environment encouraged some

investors to adopt riskier positions in order to boost the
returns they were getting or to reduce the costs of borrowing
These positions often rested on the presumption that the unusual

configuration of yields and subdued volatility would persist.
Even experienced investors forgot the axiom that all investment
yields in excess of the short-term riskless rate of interest are,
by definition, risky.
That derivatives have been implicated in many recent
losses should not be surprising

Losses to holders of bonds

amounted to many hundreds of billions of dollars in 1994.
Derivatives transfer risk from one market participant to another,
and in such a market they inevitably will be involved in large
gross losses.

Of necessity, they also accounted for large gross

gains since contacts tend to cancel each other, net, but the
gains are less newsworthy.
Although the convenience and low cost of using
derivative instruments to meet portfolio objectives may have
facilitated some investors reaching for more unconventional and
possibly riskier strategies, it would be a serious mistake to
respond to these developments by singling out derivative
instruments for special regulatory treatment

Such a response

would create artificial incentives to structure transactions on
the basis of regulatory rules rather than of the economic
characteristics of the transactions themselves.

For example,

restrictions on investments in derivative instruments could be
circumvented by investing in other financial instruments that
provide similar returns and entail similar risks, though
presumably at somewhat higher transaction costs.

A shift to the

use of less efficient instruments as a substitute for derivatives

would mean greater cost to hedgers as well as speculators and a
net loss in market efficiency.
Mr. Chairman, you have raised a number of issues
regarding derivatives, leverage, and related issues.

As I have

described in detail in previous testimony and correspondence with
members of Congress, the Federal Reserve has been addressing many
of these issues in its role as supervisor of state member banks
and bank holding companies.

In the remainder of my testimony

today, I would like to focus on one aspect of the market for
financial transactions that has drawn considerable attention in
the wake of recent losses -- the relationship between dealers in
financial markets and their customers.
Markets function most efficiently when both parties to
financial transactions are free to enter into transactions at
their own discretion, unhampered by any perceived need to serve
the interests of their counterparties.

To date losses in the

financial markets have not led to broader systemic problems.
Moreover, both dealers and their customers, somewhat shaken by
the volatility of recent markets, are responding to these events
by exercising greater caution.

If discipline from incurring

losses from mistakes were mitigated, vigilance would be relaxed,
the market's natural adaptive response would be blunted, and the
value of decentralized market decisions as allocators of scarce
capital resources would be reduced.

I believe that we should

start with the principle that parties to financial transactions
are responsible for their own decisions and only use regulation

to adjust the balance of responsibilities between the parties
cautiously, after the benefit has been clearly established.
This is not to say that financial markets should
operate without rules, or that any and all behavior in the sales
or marketing of transactions is acceptable.

Misrepresentation or

fraud in financial transactions cannot be tolerated.

Moreover,

in some cases, a dealer in financial transactions may assume
responsibilities beyond the role of a mere counterparty.

For

example, a dealer that provides its customers with advisory
services may have a duty to ensure that its advice is not tainted
by its own profit or loss in any transactions it undertakes with
those customers.
In addition, there may be cases in which certain
customers can, in principle, use complex instruments to reduce
risk or enhance yield, but, in practice, cannot reasonably be
expected to understand the instruments and the risks sufficiently
well to achieve these objectives without assistance.

For such

customers, a way must be found to ensure that transactions are
used effectively for the purposes for which they are intended
The approaches to ensuring safe and efficient use of the
financial markets by the unsophisticated vary and include
restricting their access to certain markets, providing guidance
for their investment and risk management practices, encouraging
them to obtain independent advice, encouraging diversification of
their portfolios, and shifting some of the risk of loss from the
unsophisticated customers to the dealer by establishing special
responsibilities for dealers' transactions with their less

sophisticated customers.

Each of these approaches has its own

costs and benefits; however, the approach that may appear easiest
-- placing additional responsibilities on the dealer community -may entail considerable indirect costs to the economy in terms of
interfering with liquid and efficient markets.

Rules that create

a duty on the part of dealers in derivative instruments to ensure
that these transactions are being used by their customers
appropriately may serve as a means for customers to shift the
risks of the transaction back to the dealer retroactively through
legal actions

If such legal risks are exacerbated dealers are

likely to charge an additional premium to compensate them for the
uncertainties of future legal claims and some dealers may move
their activities off-shore or withdraw from the market -- in any
case causing their investments to incur higher costs.
With these considerations in mind, the Federal Reserve,
in its role as a supervisor of banking institutions, recently has
taken a number of actions that bear on relationships between
dealers and their customers

The Board has had long-standing

risk-management guidance for banks that are users of
sophisticated instruments.

In the wake of losses on investments

in structured notes, the Board recently reiterated the
applicability of this guidance to investments in such
instruments

While the Board has suggested steps that

institutions should take to control their risk from financial
market transactions, it has not prohibited the use of any types
of transactions and leaves the institution responsible for
choosing specific transactions.

The Board has also issued guidance for banks that act
as dealers in sophisticated risk-management instruments.

The

primary purpose of this guidance is to assure that dealing in
financial market transactions is conducted safely and soundly.
The guidance encourages dealers to ensure that the counterparties
understand the nature of, and the risks inherent in, the agreed
transactions.

Where the counterparties are unsophisticated,

either generally or with respect to a particular type of
transaction, the guidance encourages additional steps to ensure
that counterparties are made aware of the risks attendant in the
specific type of transaction.

While the guidance notes that

counterparties are ultimately responsible for the transactions
that they choose to enter into, where a bank recommends specific
transactions for an unsophisticated counterparty, the guidance
encourages the bank to ensure that the bank has adequate
information regarding its counterparty on which to base its
recommendation.
Consistent with this guidance, the Federal Reserve
recently entered into a written supervisory agreement with
Bankers Trust Corporation.

The agreement focuses on Bankers

Trust's policies and procedures for marketing practices and
affiliate transactions in its leveraged derivative transaction
business.

Basically, the agreement reflects our conclusion that

Bankers Trust had not put in place adequate procedures and
controls to ensure that its employees' dealings with its
customers met applicable standards and would not damage the
company's business by detracting from its reputation as a
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reliable financial intermediary.

This action was specific to

Bankers Trust and was based on a particular group of the
transactions in which Bankers Trust had engaged and the practices
followed in these transactions.

Thus, the provisions of the

Bankers Trust agreement should not be taken as new general
guidelines for the derivatives dealers.

Rather, this action

should be viewed as implementing existing guidance in the context
of this institution's particular circumstances.

Each institution

needs to have effective procedures and controls tailored to that
institution's own products and practices.
Finally, as you are aware, the Government Securities
Act Amendments of 1993 gave the Board the authority to adopt
sales practice rules for state member banks that are government
securities brokers or dealers.

Many of the recent losses in the

financial markets, particularly losses by governmental entities,
have involved investments in securities issued by government
sponsored enterprises, which are defined as government securities
for the purposes of this Act.

Although we have no evidence of

sales practice abuses involving these securities by state member
banks, we are currently exploring with the other bank regulators
the possible adoption of sales practice rules for these dealers.
In this process, we will be assessing carefully the benefits of
adopting rules that parallel the rules currently under
development for nonbank brokers and dealers.