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For release on delivery
10:00 a.m. E.D.T.
October 8, 1997

Statement by
Alan Greenspan
Chairman
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
before the
Committee on the Budget
U.S

House of Representatives
October 8, 1997

After decades of budgetary imprudence, there has been a
growing recognition of our fiscal problems in recent years and an
increased willingness of Presidents and Congresses to address
them.

The capping of discretionary programs and the first steps

to deal with entitlement programs are encouraging, as,
unquestionably, is the slower pace at which we are creating new
entitlement programs

But it is important to place this

improvement in the context of the decades-long deterioration in
our fiscal position; we have stopped the erosion for now, but we
have made only a downpayment on the longer-range problem
confronting us.
Moreover, much of the fiscal improvement of recent years is
less the result of a return to the prudent attitudes and actions
of earlier generations, than the emergence of benevolent forces
largely external to the fiscal process.

The end of the Cold War

has yielded a substantial peace dividend, and the best economic
performance in decades has augmented tax revenues far beyond
expectations while restraining countercyclically sensitive
outlays.

-2The payout of the peace dividend is coming to an end.
Defense outlays have fallen from 6 2 percent of GDP in 1985 to
3 4 percent this year.

Further cuts may be difficult to achieve,

for even if we are fortunate enough to enjoy a relatively
tranquil world, spending will tend to be buoyed by the need to
replace technologically obsolescent equipment, as well as by the
usual political pressures.
The long-term outlook for the American economy presents us
with, perhaps, even greater uncertainties.

There can be little

doubt that the American economy in the last several years has
performed far better than the history of business expansions
would have led us to expect.

Labor markets have tightened

considerably without inflation emerging as it has in the past.
Encouraged by these results, financial markets seem to have
priced in an optimistic outlook, characterized by a significant
reduction in risk and an increasingly benevolent inflation
process.
For example, in equity markets, continual upward revisions
of longer-term corporate earnings expectations have driven

-3price-earnings ratios to levels not often observed at this stage
of an economic expansion.
Contributing to the expected increases in profits is a
perceived marked increase in the prospective rate of return on
new business ventures.

This is evidenced by the sharp increase

in capital investment since early 1993, especially in hi-tech
equipment, which has persisted and even accelerated in recent
quarters.
Underlying this apparent bulge in expected profitability and
rates of return, as I suggested in my July Humphrey-Hawkins
testimony, may be a maturing of major technologies in recent
years

The synergies of lasers and fiber optics have spurred

large increases in communications investments.

The continued

extraordinary spread of computer-related applications as costs of
manipulating data and other information fall, has also been a
major factor in increased investment outlays.

The combination of

advancing telecommunications and computer technologies have
induced large investment outlays to support the Internet and
utilize it to realize efficiencies in purchasing, production, and
marketing.

-4This dramatic change in technology, as I pointed out in
earlier testimony, has markedly shortened the lead times in
bringing new production facilities on line to meet increased
demand, and has accordingly significantly reduced longer-term
bottlenecks and materials shortages, phenomena often leading to
inflation in the past.
Indeed, this faster response of facility capacity, coupled
with dramatic declines in transportation costs owing to a
downsizing of products, has led to speculation that we are
operating with a new "paradigm," where price pressures need
rarely ever arise because low-cost capacity, both here and
abroad, can be brought on sufficiently rapidly when demand
accelerates.
Before we go too far in this direction, however, we need to
recall that it was just three years ago that we were confronted
with bottlenecks in the industrial sector.

Though less extensive

than in years past at similarly high levels of capacity
utilization, they were nonetheless putting visible upward
pressures on prices at early stages of the production chain
Further strides toward greater flexibility of facilities have

-5occurred since 1994, but this is clearly an evolutionary, not a
revolutionary, process.

At least for the foreseeable future, it

will still take time to bring many types of new facilities into
the production process, and productive capacity will still impose
limits on meeting large unexpected increases in demand in a short
period.
More relevant, by far, however, is that technology and
management changes have had only a limited effect on the ability
of labor supply to respond to changes in demand.

To be sure,

individual firms have acquired additional flexibility through
increased use of outsourcing and temporary workers

In addition,

smaller work teams may be able to adapt more readily to
variations in order flows

While these techniques put the right

workers at the right spots to reduce bottlenecks, they do not
increase the aggregate supply of labor

That supply is sensitive

to changes in demand, but to a far more limited extent than
facilities.

New plants can almost always be built.

But labor

capacity for an individual country is constrained by the size of
the working-age population, which, except for immigration, is

-6basically determined several decades in the past

Its lead time

reflects biology, not technology.
Of course, the demand for capital facilities and labor are
not entirely independent.

Within limits, labor and capital are

substitutes, and slack in one market can offset tightness in
another.

For example, additional work shifts often can expand

output without significant addition to facilities.

Similarly,

more labor-saving equipment can permit production to be increased
with the same level of employment, an outcome that we would
observe as increased labor productivity

As I will be discussing

in a moment, we are seeing some favorable signs in this regard,
but they are only suggestive, and the potential for increased
productivity to enhance the effective supply of labor is limited
The fact is, that despite large additions to the capital
stock in recent years, the supply of labor has kept pace with the
demand for goods and services and the labor to produce them only
by reducing the margin of slack in labor markets
Of the more than two million net new hires at an annual rate
from early 1994 through the third quarter of this year, little
more than half came from an expansion in the population aged 16

-7to 64 who wanted a job, and more than a third of those were net
new immigrants.

The remaining one million per year increase in

employment was pulled from those who had been reported as
unemployed

(nearly 700 thousand annually) and those who wanted,

but had not actively sought, a job (more than 300 thousand
annually)

The latter, of course, are not in the official

unemployment count.
The key point is that continuously digging ever deeper into
the available working-age population is not a sustainable
trajectory for job creation.

The unemployment rate has a

downside limit, if for no other reason than unemployment, in
part, reflects voluntary periods of job search and other
frictional unemployment, and includes people whose skills are not
well adapted to work today and would be very costly to employ
In addition, there is a limit on how many of the millions
who wanted a job but were not actively seeking one could be
readily absorbed into jobs--in particular, the large number whose
availability is limited by their enrollment in school, and those
who may lack the necessary skills or may face other barriers to
taking jobs

The number of people saying they would like a job,

-8but have not been engaged in active job search, declined
dramatically in 1996

But, despite increasingly favorable labor

markets, few more of these 5 million individuals have been added
to payrolls in 1997.

This group of potential workers, on

balance, is at its lowest level relative to the working-age
population since at least 1970.

As a source of new workers we

may have reached about as far as is feasible into this group of
the population.
Presumably, some of the early retirees, students, or
homemakers who do not now profess to want to work could be lured
to the job market

Rewards sufficient to make jobs attractive,

however, could conceivably also engender upward pressures on
labor costs that would trigger renewed price pressures,
undermining the expansion.
Thus, there would seem to be emerging constraints on
potential labor input.

If the recent 2 million plus annual pace

of job creation were to continue, the pressures on wages and
other costs of hiring large numbers of such individuals could
escalate more rapidly.

To be sure, job growth slowed

significantly in August and September, but it did not slow enough

-9to close, from the demand side alone, the gap of the demand for
labor over the supply from increases in the working-age
population.
Thus, the performance of the labor markets this year
suggests that the economy has been on an unsustainable track.
That the marked rate of absorption of potential workers since
1994 has not induced a more dramatic increase in employee
compensation per hour and price inflation has come as a major
surprise to most analysts.
The strengthened exchange value of the dollar, which has
helped contain price increases, is certainly one factor in
explaining business reluctance to grant wage increases.

Another

explanation I have offered in the past is that the acceleration
in technology and capital investment, in part by engendering
important changes in the types of facilities with which people
work on a day-by-day basis, has also induced a discernible
increase in fear of job skill obsolescence and, hence, an
increasing willingness to seek job security in lieu of wage
gains.

Certainly, the dramatic rise in recent years of

on-the-job training and a substantial increase in people

-10returning to school—especially those aged twenty-five to thirtyfour, mainly at the college level-- suggests significant concerns
about skills
But the force of insecurity may be fading

Public opinion

polls, which recorded a marked increase in fear of 30b loss from
1991 to 1995, a period of tightening labor markets, now indicate
a partial reversal of that uptrend.
To be sure, there is still little evidence of wage
acceleration

To believe, however, that wage pressures will not

intensify as the group of people who are not working, but who
would like to, rapidly diminishes, strains credibility
of supply and demand has not been repealed

The law

If labor demand

continues to outpace sustainable increases in supply, the
question is surely when, not whether, labor costs will escalate
more rapidly.
Of course, a fall-off in the current pace of demand for
goods and services could close the gap and avoid the emergence of
inflationary pressures.

So could a sharp improvement in

productivity growth, which would reduce the pace of new hiring
required to produce a given rate of growth of real output

-11Productivity growth in manufacturing, as best we can measure
it, apparently did pick up some in the third quarter and the
broader measures of productivity growth have exhibited a modest
quickening this year.

Certainly, the persistence, even

acceleration, of commitments to invest in new facilities suggests
that the actual profitability of recent past investments, and by
extension increased productivity, has already been achieved to
some degree rather than being merely prospective.
However, to reduce the recent two million plus annual rate
of job gains to the one million rate consistent with long-term
population growth would require, all else equal, a full
percentage point increase in the rate of productivity growth.
While not inconceivable, such a rapid change is rare in the
annals of business history, especially for a mature industrial
society of our breadth and scope.
Clearly, impressive new technologies have imparted a sense
of change in which previous economic relationships are seen as
being less reliable now.

Improvements in productivity are

possible if worker skills increase, but gains come slowly through
experience, education, and on-the-job training

They are also

-12possible as capital substitutes for labor, but that is limited by
the state of current technology.

Very significant advances in

productivity require technological breakthroughs that alter
fundamentally the efficiency with which we use our labor and
capital resources.

But at the cutting edge of technology, where

America finds itself, major improvements cannot be produced on
demand.

New ideas that matter are hard won.

Short of a marked slowing in the demand for goods and
services and, hence, labor--or a degree of acceleration of
productivity growth that appears unlikely--the imbalance between
the growth in labor demand and the expansion of potential labor
supply of recent years must eventually erode the current state of
inflation quiescence and, with it, the solid growth of real
activity.
In this context, the economic outlook sketched out for the
United States by both the Office of Management and Budget and the
Congressional Budget Office is realistic, even in some sense
conservative.

But you should recognize the range of possible

long-term outcomes, both significantly better or worse, has risen
markedly in the last year.

-13An acceleration of productivity growth, should it
materialize, would put the economy on a higher trend growth path
than they have projected

The development of inflationary

pressures, on the other hand, would doubtless create an
environment of slower growth in real output than that projected
by OMB or CBO.

A reemergence of inflation is, without question,

the greatest threat to sustaining what has been a balanced
economic expansion virtually without parallel in recent decades.
In this regard, we at the Federal Reserve recognize that how we
handle monetary policy will be a significant factor influencing
the path of economic growth and, hence, fiscal outcomes.
Given the wider range of possible outcomes that we face for
long-term economic growth, the corresponding ranges of possible
budget outcomes over the next five to ten years also has widened
appreciably
In addition to the uncertainties associated with economic
outcomes, questions may be raised about other assumptions behind
both projected receipts and outlays.

With regard to the former,

it is difficult to believe that our much higher-than-expected
income tax receipts of late are unrelated to the huge increase in

-14capital gains, which since 1995 have totaled the equivalent of
one-third of national income.

Aside from the question of whether

stock prices will rise or fall, it clearly would be unrealistic
to look for a continuation of stock market gains of anything like
the magnitude of those recorded in the past couple of years
On the outlay side, the recently enacted budget agreement
relies importantly on significant, but as-yet-unspecified,
restraints on discretionary spending to be made in the years
2001, 2002, and thereafter.

Supporters of each program expect

the restraints to fall elsewhere.

Inevitably, the eventual

publication of the detail will expose deep political divisions,
which could make the realization of the budget projections less
likely.

In addition, while the budget agreement included

significant cuts in Medicare spending, past experience has shown
us how difficult Medicare is to control, raising the possibility
that savings will never be realized

More generally, I wonder

whether there is enough funding slack to accommodate
contingencies, or the inevitable new, but as yet unidentified,
spending programs

-15Budget forecasts are understandably subject to fairly large
errors

Seemingly small changes in receipts and outlays are

magnified in the budget deficit

For example, during the 1990s,

the average absolute error in the projections of February for
receipts and outlays in the fiscal years starting the subsequent
October has been greater than four percent

A four percent error

in both outlays and receipts in opposite directions amounts to
more than $125 billion annually.

Indeed, the uncertainty of

budget forecasts is no better illustrated than by an admittedly
extreme case.

During the last two and a half years the

projection of the fiscal balance, excluding new initiatives, for
the year 2002 has changed by about $250 billion.

While all this

fortunately has been in the direction of smaller deficits, the
degree of uncertainty suggests that the error could just as
easily be on the other side.
With this high level of uncertainty in projecting budget
totals and associated deficits, the Congress needs to evaluate
the consequences to long-term economic growth of errors in fiscal
policy.

A base issue in such an evaluation is whether we are

-16better off to be targeting a large deficit, balance, or a chronic
surplus in our unified budget.
There is nothing special about budget balance per se, except
that it is far superior to deficits

I have always emphasized

the value of a budgetary surplus in increasing national savings,
especially when American private domestic savings is low, as it
is today
Higher national savings lead in the long run to higher
investment and living standards.

They also foster low inflation

Low inflation itself may be responsible, in part, for higher
productivity growth and larger gains in standards of living
If economic growth and rising living standards, fostered by
investment and price stability, are our goal, fiscal policy in my
judgment will need to be biased toward surpluses in the years
immediately ahead.

This is especially so given the inexorable

demographic trends that threaten huge increases in outlays beyond
2010

We should view the recent budget agreement, even if

receipts and outlays evolve as expected, as only an important
downpayment on the larger steps we need to take to solve the

-17harder problem—putting our entitlement programs on a sound
financial footing for the 21st century.
Moreover, targeted surpluses could hopefully help to offset
the inbuilt political bias in favor of budget deficits.

I have

been in too many budget meetings in the last three decades not to
have learned that the ideal fiscal initiative from a political
perspective is one that creates visible benefits for one group of
constituents without a perceived cost to anybody else, a form of
political single-entry bookkeeping
To be sure, in recent years we have been showing some real
restraint in our approach to fiscal policy

Yet, despite

terminating a number of programs, the ratio of federal
nondefense, noninterest, spending to GDP still stands at nearly
14 percent, double what it was in the 1950s.

This may be one

reason why inflation premiums, embodied in long-term interest
rates, still are significant.

There is, thus, doubtless a lot of

catching up to do.
The current initiatives toward welfare, social security, and
Medicare reform are clearly steps in the right direction, but far
more is required

Let us not squander years of efforts to

-18balance the budget and the benefits of ideal economic conditions
by failing to address our long-term imbalances
A critical imbalance is the one faced by social security
Its fund's reported imbalance stems primarily from the fact that,
until very recently, the payments into the social security trust
accounts by the average employee, plus employer contributions and
interest earned, were inadequate, at retirement, to fund the
total of retirement benefits

This has started to change

Under

the most recent revisions to the law, and presumably conservative
economic and demographic assumptions, today's younger workers
will be paying social security taxes over their working years
that appear sufficient to fund their benefits during retirement
However, the huge liability for current retirees, as well as for
much of the work force closer to retirement, leaves the system,
as a whole, badly underfunded

The official unfunded liability

for the Old Age, Survivors and Disability funds, which takes into
account expected future tax payments and benefits out to the year
2070, has reached a staggering $3 trillion
This issue of funding underscores the critical elements in
the forthcoming debate on social security reform, because it

-19focusses on the core of any retirement system, private or public.
Simply put, enough must be set aside over a lifetime of work to
fund the excess of consumption over claims on production a
retiree may enjoy

At the most rudimentary level, one could

envision households saving by actually storing goods purchased
during their working years for consumption during retirement
Even better, the resources that would have otherwise gone into
the stored goods could be diverted to the production of new
capital assets, which would, cumulatively, over a working
lifetime, produce an even greater quantity of goods and services
to be consumed in retirement

In the latter case, we would be

getting more output per worker, our traditional measure of
productivity, and a factor that is central in all calculations of
long-term social security trust fund financing
Hence, the bottom line in all retirement programs is
physical resource availability

The finance of any system is

merely to facilitate the underlying system of allocating real
resources that fund retirement consumption of goods and services
Unless social security savings are increased by higher taxes
(with negative consequences for growth) or lowered benefits,
domestic savings must be augmented by greater private saving or

-20surpluses in the rest of the government budget to help ensure
that there is enough savings to finance adequate productive
capacity down the road to meet the consumption needs of both
retirees and active workers
The basic premise of our current largely pay-as-you-go
social security system is that future productivity growth will be
sufficient to supply promised retirement benefits for current
workers

However, even supposing some acceleration in long-term

productivity growth from recent experience, at existing rates of
domestic saving and capital investment this is becoming
increasingly dubious
Accordingly, short of a far more general reform of the
system, there are a number of initiatives, at a minimum, that
should be addressed

As I argued at length in the Social

Security Commission deliberations of 1983, with only marginal
effect, some delaying of the age of eligibility for retirement
benefits will become increasingly pressing

For example,

adjusting the full-benefits retirement age to keep pace with
increases in life expectancy in a way that would keep the ratio
of retirement years to expected life span approximately constant
would help to significantly narrow the funding gap

Such an

-21initiative will become easier to implement as fewer and fewer of
our older citizens retire from physically arduous work
Hopefully, other modifications to social security, such as
improved cost of living indexing, will be instituted
There are a number of thoughtful reform initiatives that,
through the process of privatization, could increase domestic
saving rates.

These are clearly worthy of intensive evaluation

Perhaps the strongest argument for privatization is that
replacing the current underfunded system with a fully funded one
could boost domestic saving

But, we must remember it is because

privatization plans might increase savings that makes them
potentially valuable, not their particular form of financing

As

I have argued elsewhere, unless national savings is increased,
shifting social security trust funds to private securities, while
increasing government retirement system income, will lower
retirement incomes in the private sector to an offsetting degree.
This would not be an improvement to our overall retirement
system
The types of changes that will be required to restore fiscal
balance to our social security accounts, in the broader scheme of
things, are significant but manageable

More important, most

-22entail changes that are less unsettling if they are enacted soon,
even if their effects are significantly delayed, rather than
waiting five or ten years or longer for legislation
Minimizing the potential disruptions associated with the
inevitable changes to social security is made all the more
essential because of the pressing financial problems in the
Medicare system, social security's companion program for
retirees

Medicare as you are well aware is in an even more

precarious position than social security

The financing of

Medicare faces some of the same problems associated with
demographics and productivity as social security but faces
different, and currently greater, pressures owing to the behavior
of medical costs and utilization rates

Reform of the Medicare

system will require more immediate and potentially more dramatic
changes than those necessary to reform social security
We owe it to those who will retire after the turn of the
century to be given sufficient advance notice to make what
alterations in retirement planning may be required

The longer

we wait to make what are surely inevitable adjustments, the more
difficult they will become

If we procrastinate too long, the

-23adjustments could be truly wrenching
current and future, deserve better

Our senior citizens, both