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8:30 a.m. EST
January 28, 1999

Statement of
Alan Greenspan
Chairman
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
before the
Committee on the Budget
United States Senate

January 28, 1999

Mr. Chairman and other members of the committee, as you requested in your letter of
invitation, today I will be addressing one of our nation's most pressing public policy challenges:
social security.
The dramatic increase in the ratio of retirees to workers that is projected, as the baby
boomers move to retirement and enjoy ever greater longevity, makes our current pay-as-you-go
social security system unsustainable. Furthermore, the broad support for social security appears
destined to fade as the implications of its current form of financing become increasingly
apparent. To date, with the ratio of retirees to workers having been relatively low, workers have
not considered it a burden to share the goods and services they produce with retirees. The rising
birth rate after World War II, which, in due course, lowered the ratio of retirees to workers,
helped make the social security program exceptionally popular, even among those paying the
taxes to support it.
Indeed, workers perceived it to be a good investment for their own retirement. For those
born before World War II, the annuity value of benefits on retirement far exceeded the
cumulative sum at the time of retirement of contributions by the worker and his or her employer,
plus interest. For example, the implicit real rate of return has been strikingly high for those born
in 1920-on average, near 6 percent. The real interest rate on U.S. Treasury bonds, by
comparison, has generally been below 3 percent.
But, births flattened after the baby boom, and life expectancy beyond age sixty-five
continued to rise. Consequently, the ratio of the number of workers contributing to social
security to the number of beneficiaries has declined to the point that maintaining the annuity
value of benefits on retirement at a level well in excess of accumulated contributions has become

increasingly unlikely. Those born in 1960, for example, are currently calculated to receive a real
rate of return, on average, of less than 2 percent on their cumulative contributions. Indeed, even
these low rates of return for more recent cohorts likely are being overestimated, because they are
based on current law taxes and benefits. In all likelihood, these taxes will have to be raised, or
benefits cut, given that the system as a whole is still significantly underfunded, at least according
to the intermediate projections of the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) actuaries. For the
present value of current law benefits over the next 75 years to be fully funded through
contributions, social security taxes would have to be raised by about 2.2 percent of taxable
payroll; to be fully funded in perpetuity, that is, to ensure that taxes and interest income will
always be sufficient to pay benefits, social security taxes would have to be raised much moreperhaps something on the order of between 4 and 5 percent of taxable payroll.
This issue of funding underscores the critical elements in the forthcoming debate on
social security reform, because it focuses on the core of any retirement system, private or public.
Simply put, enough resources must be set aside over a lifetime of work to fund retirement
consumption. At the most rudimentary level, one could envision households saving by actually
storing goods purchased during their working years for consumption during retirement. Even
better, the resources that would have otherwise gone into the stored goods could be diverted to
the production of new capital assets, which would, cumulatively, over a working lifetime,
produce an even greater quantity of goods and services to be consumed in retirement.
In this light, increasing our national saving is critical. The President's approach to social
security reform supports a large unified budget surplus. This is a major step in the right direction
in that it would ensure that the current rise in government's positive contribution to national
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saving is sustained. The large surpluses projected over the next 15 years, if they actually
materialize, can significantly reduce the fiscal pressures created by our changing demographics.
To maximize the benefits of this increased saving, it is crucial that the saving is put to its
best use. For productivity and standards of living to grow, financial capital raised in markets or
generated from internal cash flow from existing plant and equipment must be continuously
directed by firms to its most profitable uses—namely new physical capital facilities perceived as
the most efficient in serving consumers' multiple preferences. It is this continuous churning, this
so-called creative destruction, that has become so essential to the effective deployment of
advanced technologies by this country over recent decades. Indeed, improved productivity of
capital probably explains much of why the American economy has done so well despite our
comparatively low national saving rate. In addition, the profitability of investment in the United
States has attracted saving from abroad which has facilitated the expansion and modernization of
our capital stock. Clearly, we use both domestic saving and imported financial capital in a highly
efficient manner, apparently more efficiently than many, if not most, other major industrial
countries.
Looking forward, the effective application of our capital to its most highly valued use is
going to become, if anything, more important, as we strive to increase the resources available to
provide for the retirement of the baby boomers without, in the future, significantly reducing the
consumption of workers.
Investing a portion of the social security trust fund assets in equities, as the
Administration and others have proposed, would arguably put at risk the efficiency of our capital
markets and thus, our economy. Even with Herculean efforts, I doubt if it would be feasible to
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insulate, over the long run, the trust funds from political pressures—direct and indirect—to
allocate capital to less than its most productive use.
The experience of public pension funds seems to bear this out. Although relevant
comparisons to private plans are difficult to construct, there is evidence that the average rate of
return on state and local pension funds tends to be lower than the return realized on comparable
private pension funds, other pooled investments, and market indexes. Of course, a significant
part of this disparity would be eliminated were these returns adjusted for risk, because public
pension plans are often invested more conservatively than private plans. But there is evidence
that returns are lower even after accounting for differences in the portfolio allocation between
stock and bonds. For example, it has been shown that state pensions plans that are required to
direct a portion of their investments in-state and those that make "economically targeted
investments" experience lower returns as a result. Similarly, there is evidence that suggests that,
the greater the proportion of trustees who are political appointees, the lower the rate of return. A
lower risk-adjusted rate of return on financial assets is almost invariably an indication of lower
rates of return on the real underlying assets on which they are a claim.
Some have argued that the Federal government has already shown itself capable of
investing in equities without political interference, and I have no doubt that the investments of
the $60 billion Federal thrift plan and the $6 billion Federal Reserve retirement plan have been
made independently. Moreover, the Federal thrift plan has not been an attraction since it is a
defined contribution plan, and therefore effectively self-policed by individual contributors.
These plans do not reach the asset size threshold to engage the political establishment—but that
would not be the case for a multi-trillion dollar social security trust fund. A trust fund invested

in U.S. Treasury securities does not appear to be available for politically supported private
projects. A fund that can own equity would.
This issue is of particular concern when the pension plan provides a defined benefit.
Under these circumstances, the beneficiaries' returns are government guaranteed, and hence they
have no incentive to monitor the performance of their invested funds. In sum, because I do not
believe that it is politically feasible to insulate such huge funds from governmental influence,
investing social security trust fund assets in equities compromises the efficient allocation of our
capital—which, as the past few years have demonstrated, is so essential to raising our standards of
living.
This risk might be worth taking if having the social security trust fund invest in equities
provided real benefits to households. But this is not likely to be the case on average. Having the
trust fund invest in private securities most likely will increase its rate of return, although perhaps
not on a properly risk-adjusted basis. But, as I have argued previously before this committee,
unless new savings are created in the process, the corporate securities that displace Treasury
securities in the social security trust funds must be exactly offset by the mirror image
displacement of corporate securities by government securities in private portfolios, probably
largely in private funds held for retirement. This swap is essentially a zero sum game. To a first
approximation, aggregate retirement resources—from both social security and private funds—do
not change.
The crucial retirement funding issues center on how to increase the amount of saving, and
how to allocate resources between active workers and retirees. It may turn out that the additional
new resource requirements, whether mandated savings or additional taxes, to fully fund current

benefit levels will prove too burdensome, particularly once future Medicare benefits are
accounted for. If so, the level of retirement benefits, funded through social security or private
retirement accounts, that is affordable in our economy will remain an important issue. There
have been extensive discussions of potential changes, such as extending the age of full retirement
benefit entitlement, altering the benefit calculation bend points, and adjusting annual cost-ofliving escalation to a more accurate measure. Considerations such as these should not be taken
off the table.
While a sharp rise in the number of retirees in about ten years seems almost a certainty,
the financial and economic state of the American economy in the early twenty-first century is not.
We cannot confidently project large surpluses in our unified budget over the next fifteen years,
given the inherent uncertainties of budget forecasting. How can we ignore the fact that virtually
all forecasts of the budget balance have been wide of the mark in recent years? For example, as
recently as February 1997, OMB projected a deficit for fiscal year 1998 of $121 billion—a $191
billion error. The CBO and others made similar errors. Likewise, in 1983, we confidently
projected a solvent social security trust fund through 2057. Our latest estimate with few changes
in the program is 2032.
It is possible, as some maintain, that the OASI actuaries are too conservative, and that
productivity growth could be far greater than is anticipated in their "intermediate" estimate. If
that is, in fact, our prospect, the social security system is not in as much jeopardy as it currently
appears. But proper fiscal planning requires that consequences of mistakes in all directions be
evaluated. If we move now to shore up the social security program, or replace it, in part or in
whole, with a private system, and subsequently find that we had been too pessimistic in our

projections, the costs to our society would be few. If we assume more optimistic scenarios and
they prove wrong, the imbalances could become overwhelming, and finding a solution would be
even more divisive than today's problem.