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May 19, 2005

Remarks by
Alan Greenspan
Chairman
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
via Satellite
at the
Conference on Housing, Mortgage Finance, and the Macroeconomy
Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
Atlanta, Georgia
May 19, 2005

Let me begin by thanking the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta and President Guynn for
hosting this conference~"Housing, Mortgage Finance, and the Macroeconomy." Clearly, housing
and the financing of housing purchases have been critical components of economic activity in
recent years. Understanding better how the financial structure of housing transactions influences
households' economic decisions is crucial both for academics and for policymakers.
In the United States, few financial innovations in recent decades have had so widespread
an impact as the development of the secondary home-mortgage market and the attendant
diversification of funding sources for depository institutions and other mortgage originators.
Critical to the success of this innovation has been the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in
promoting mortgage securitization—the key to the development of secondary mortgage markets in
the United States.1 Their efforts spawned the vast asset-backed securities market that, along with
credit derivatives, has contributed to the transfer of credit risk from highly leveraged originators
of credit—especially banks and thrifts—to less-leveraged insurance companies and pension and
mutual funds, among other investors.
The stated intent of the Congress is to use the housing-related government-sponsored
enterprises (GSEs) to provide a well-established channel between housing credit and the capital
markets and, through this channel, to promote homeownership, particularly among lower-income
families. Although prospectuses for GSE debt are required by law to stipulate that such
instruments are not backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, investors

Under securitization, mortgages are bundled into pools and then turned into securities that can be easily
bought and sold alongside other debt securities. Combining a diversified pool of home mortgages into a single
package in this way reduces the sum of the risks associated with the individual mortgages and enables the packager
to sell claims against the package that pay interest rates below the average yield of the package as a whole.

-2worldwide have concluded that our government will not allow GSEs to default. As a
consequence, market participants offer to purchase GSE debt at interest rates substantially lower
than those required of comparably situated financial institutions without direct ties to
government.2 Given this advantage, which private competitors have been unable to fully
overcome, the housing-related GSEs have grown rapidly in recent years. Fannie and Freddie
essentially dominate the market for purchasing conforming home mortgage loans.3
The strong belief of investors in the implicit government backing of the GSEs does not by
itself create problems of safety and soundness for the GSEs, but it does create systemic risks for
the U.S. financial system as the GSEs become very large. As I have recently testified before the
Banking Committee of the U.S. Senate, systemic risks are difficult to address through the normal
course of financial institution regulation alone. But in the case of the GSEs, these risks can be
effectively handled by limiting their investment portfolios, which are funded by implicitly
subsidized debt.
The government guarantee for GSE debt inferred by investors enables Fannie and Freddie
to profitably expand their portfolios of assets essentially without limit.4 Private investors have

For example, the government provides the housing-related GSEs with a line of credit from the
Department of the Treasury, fiscal agency services through the Federal Reserve, exemptions from securities
registration requirements, exemptions from bank regulations on security holdings, and tax exemptions.
Fannie and Freddie can buy a single-family home mortgage only if the principal balance is below the
"conforming loan limit." For 2005, that limit for most loans is $359,650.
The boards of directors of Fannie and Freddie are allowed to invest in almost anything so long as there is
some link, direct or indirect, to their mission of supporting conforming mortgage markets. As demonstrated by
recent innovations in the home equity lending and asset-backed securities markets, much of the $9 trillion in
household credit can potentially be secured by real estate and thus appears to be available to the GSEs as
investments. Moreover, the GSEs have been allowed to invest in many forms of non-mortgage debt, such as
corporate bonds and commercial paper, to the degree that the GSEs can argue such investments support their
liquidity goals and thus indirectly support mortgage markets.

-3granted them a market subsidy in the form of lower borrowing rates, which staff at the
Federal Reserve Board has estimated at 40 basis points in recent years. This market subsidy is a
formidable advantage in our highly competitive Aaa market, where a few basis points are often
competitively determinant. Unlike subsidies explicitly mandated by the Congress, the implicit
subsidies to the GSEs are initiated wholly at the discretion of the GSEs. They choose when to
borrow and gain the advantage of the subsidy, and because markets perceive such debt as
government guaranteed, GSEs can effectively borrow without limit.
Investors have provided Fannie and Freddie with a powerful vehicle for achieving profits
that are virtually guaranteed through the rapid growth of their balance sheets, and the resultant
scale has given them an advantage that their potential private-sector competitors cannot meet. As
a result, their annual return on equity, which has often exceeded 30 percent, is far in excess of the
average annual return of approximately 15 percent that has been earned by other large financial
competitors holding substantially similar assets. Virtually none of the GSE excess return reflects
higher yields on assets; it is almost wholly attributable to subsidized borrowing costs.
In a market system, lenders and investors typically monitor and discipline the activities,
including leverage, of their counterparties to assure themselves that these entities are financially
sound. Because the many counterparties in GSE transactions assess risk based mainly on the
GSE's perceived special relationship to the government, rather than on the underlying soundness
of the institutions, regulators cannot rely on market discipline to contain systemic risk.

The profit potential created by subsidized debt has been available to the GSEs for decades.
However, the management of Fannie and Freddie chose to abstain from making profit-centers out

-4of their portfolios in earlier years, and only during the mid-1990s did they begin rapidly enlarging
their portfolios. At the end of 1990, for example, Fannie's and Freddie's combined portfolios
amounted to $132 billion, or only 5.6 percent of the single-family home-mortgage market.
Indeed, in 1989, before the rapid expansion of its portfolio, Freddie testified before the
Congress that the need for safe and sound operation and the need to provide affordable mortgages
to homebuyers were inconsistent with holding a substantial portfolio. As Freddie's CEO argued
at that time, by financing mortgages with mortgage-backed securities sold to investors rather than
with a portfolio, Freddie avoided interest rate risks and thus could keep mortgages flowing when
depository institutions were suffering an interest rate squeeze.5 Moreover, Freddie's 1990 annual
report stated that Freddie could provide ample liquidity to mortgage markets and make profits by
financing mortgages with mortgage-backed securities sold to investors rather than by holding a
mortgage portfolio. To quote, "Freddie Mac maintains a presence in the secondary market each
and every day—regardless of economic conditions—by buying mortgages from lenders, pooling
and packaging them into securities, and selling these securities to investors"(emphasis added).
When Freddie Mac became owned by private shareholders and began to realize the
potential for exploiting the risk-adjusted profit-making of a larger portfolio, the message changed.
Freddie stated in its 1993 annual report that "in short, to achieve our earnings objective, we are
striving to increase our total portfolio at a rate faster than residential mortgage debt growth ...
[and] generate earnings growth in excess of revenue growth through focused management of

Leland C. Brendsel, "Government-Sponsored Enterprises," Hearing before the Subcommittee on
Oversight of the Committee on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, the 101st Congress, September 28,
1989.

-5credit and operating expenses." By 2003, Freddie's portfolio had grown tenfold, and Fannie and
Freddie together held $1.5 trillion in assets, or 23 percent of the home-mortgage market.
Today, the interest rate and prepayment risks inherent in mortgages with a low-cost
refinancing option is concentrated in the large portfolios at Fannie and Freddie. These
concentrations cannot be readily handled by private-market forces because there are no
meaningful limits to the expansion of portfolios created with debt that the market believes to be
federally guaranteed.
As Fannie and Freddie increase in size relative to the counterparties to their hedging
transactions, the ability of these GSEs to quickly correct a misjudgment in their complex hedging
strategies becomes more difficult, especially when vast reversal transactions are required to
rebalance portfolio risks. We are thus highly dependent on the risk-managers at Fannie and
Freddie to do everything right. Moreover, the success of interest-rate-risk management,
especially the exceptionally rapid timing required by dynamic risk adjustments, requires that the
ultimate counterparties to the GSEs' transactions provide sufficient liquidity to finance an
interest-rate-risk transfer that counters the risk. Otherwise, large and rapid dynamic adjustments
will result in sharp changes in the prices for rebalancing and hedging a mortgage portfolio. The
consequence would be added to interest rate volatility.
In the end, we cannot eliminate the risk inherent in mortgages with refinancing options.
But we can markedly contain the accompanying risks to systemic stability by diversifying the
concentration of risk away from large, highly leveraged portfolios for which misjudgments can
have quick and devastating consequences. A system of diversified and less-leveraged
interest-rate-risk management would be far more resilient to the inevitable mistakes and shocks of

-6individual risk-mitigating strategies. Such diversification would thus pose much less systemic
risk, largely because of lowered leverage, which in turn is the consequence of the private-market
discipline imposed on commercial and investment banks, mutual funds, insurance companies, and
other current or potential holders of mortgage-backed securities.
Some argue correctly that, although the borrowing rates of the GSEs are subsidized, so
are those of commercial banks because of deposit insurance and access to the Federal Reserve's
discount window and payments system. But interest rates on the long-term debentures of banks
exceed the rate of interest required on GSE debt, suggesting that market participants perceive
banks as far less subsidized than GSEs. Banks accordingly have access to significantly
less-subsidized credit than do GSEs.
To be sure, banks do have access to insured deposits at low rates. But large banks find it
difficult to grow using only insured deposits. Interest rates on banks' insured deposits, while
usually less than those on GSE debentures, do not account for the substantial costs that banks
incur to collect, and provide services for, core and small time deposits. If larger banks could rely
on low-cost insured deposits as their effective marginal source of funds, why would they pay
higher interest rates to holders of their debentures?
The borrowing edge of the GSEs prevails even though the biggest banks must maintain at
least twice the capital ratio of Fannie and Freddie and smaller banks hold even more. Moreover,
with the additional capital available at banks to absorb the inevitable hedging misjudgments,
reversals of fortune are likely to create less disruption to the banking system relative to the
disruption possible at Fannie and Freddie.

-7The Federal Reserve Board has been unable to find any credible purpose for the huge
balance sheets built by Fannie and Freddie other than the creation of profit through the
exploitation of the market-granted subsidy. Fannie's and Freddie's purchases of their own or
each other's mortgage-backed securities with their market-subsidized debt do not contribute
usefully to mortgage market liquidity, to the enhancement of capital markets in the United States,
or to the lowering of mortgage rates for homeowners.
The key activity of the GSEs—the provision of liquidity to the primary mortgage
market—can be accomplished exclusively through the securitization of mortgages; GSE portfolios
of mortgage-related assets cannot serve this function. Indeed, during a crisis, the GSEs'
portfolios of mortgage-backed securities (MBS), in contrast to portfolios of liquid assets such as
Treasury bills or cash, cannot provide liquidity to either the primary or the secondary mortgage
market. To sell mortgaged-backed securities to purchase other mortgage-backed securities
clearly adds no net support to the mortgage markets.
GSE portfolios could act as a source of strength to the mortgage markets only if they
contained highly liquid, non-mortgage assets such as Treasury bills, which can be readily turned
into cash under all possible scenarios without importantly affecting the prices of home mortgages.
Indeed, only such highly liquid portfolios would be consistent with the GSEs' mission of
providing primary mortgage market liquidity during a crisis, particularly during a financial crisis.
Fannie and Freddie do need to hold in portfolio some mortgage-related assets to achieve
their mission. In the normal course of securitization, timing differences between purchases of
home mortgages and sales of MBS imply an inventory of home loans, although most such
transactions are simultaneous swaps of packages of home mortgages for MBS. Moreover, there

-8may be some affordable housing mortgages unsuitable for securitization that serve the chartered
mission of the GSE. But in total, the assets required for Fannie and Freddie to achieve their
mission are but a small fraction of the current level of their assets.
Thus, if the Congress legislates a mission-only need for GSE portfolio assets, a substantial
liquidation of MBS over time, coupled with an equivalent redemption of GSE debt, will doubtless
be required. Such liquidation would entail not solely a removal of demand but an equal removal
of both supply and demand for MBS. Accordingly, the implementation of portfolio limits should
pose no significant difficulties: The amassing of GSE portfolio assets is a simple grossing-up of
mortgage assets, which can be initiated and reversed in quite large volumes with relative ease.

The average pay down rate of the GSEs' portfolios from 1997 to 2004 was about
25 percent. Even if outright sales of MBS were required to shrink portfolios, the proceeds would
presumably be employed to redeem GSE debt. In effect, a private investor whose holding of GSE
debt has been redeemed receives, in exchange, either the mortgage-backed security sold by the
GSE or other assets sold by those who acquire the mortgage-backed security. In either case, the
grossing-up or its reversal does not affect the net demand for high-quality securities.6
The concern of some observers that large sales of MBS will be difficult to absorb runs
counter to the evidence that GSE-backed MBS, being Aaa-rated securities, already trade as part
of the large worldwide market for high-quality corporate debt and U.S. Treasury issues. GSE

In effect, investors who purchase MBS use their own savings or the savings of others to fund the asset.
But purchasers of GSE debt fund in the same manner. Thus, if Fannie securitizes and sells an MBS, it has no need
to fund it. But if Fannie does fund it, the private investor, of course, does not. In effect, the same amount of the
nation's saving is drawn upon whether a purchased origination is sold as MBS to investors or Fannie funds the
mortgage or MBS.

-9sales of MBS, matched with redemptions of debt, will be readily absorbed in the vast market
without a significant change in the relative interest rate spreads of such investments. At the most,
the grossing-up and liquidation of MBS and the corresponding GSE debt might conceivably affect
the MBS-GSE interest rate spread at the margin.
Moreover, unwinding MBS financed by GSE debt does not affect the level of home
mortgage debt outstanding or of mortgage interest rates. Indeed, we have found little, if any,
evidence that the spread of home-mortgage interest rates over comparable-maturity
U.S. Treasuries are affected at all by variations in the size of GSE portfolios.7 In fact, contrary to
the expectations that MBS portfolio accumulation lowers home mortgage interest rates, the
spreads apparently widened as the portfolios grew from 1995 to 2003.
In any event, since the development of the MBS market, the determinants of interest rates
that finance home purchase have exhibited little, if any, response to the size of GSE portfolios.
The past year provides yet more evidence of this independence, with GSE portfolios not growing
and mortgage spreads, as well as the spread between yields on GSE debentures and Treasury
securities, declining further. Despite the turmoil at Fannie and Freddie during the past two years,
home mortgage markets have functioned well. Indeed, as an indication that the yield on debt
owed by GSEs is wholly a function of the yield's perceived status as government guaranteed, the

See Wayne Passmore (2005), "The GSE Implicit Subsidy and the Value of Government Ambiguity,"
Finance and Economic Discussion Series 2005-5 (Washington: Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
System, January) (forthcoming in Real Estate Economics); Wayne Passmore, Shane M. Sherlund, and
Gillian Burgess (2005), "The Effect of Government Sponsored Enterprises on Mortgage Rates," Finance and
Economic Discussion Series 2005-6 (January) (forthcoming in Real Estate Economics); and Andreas Lehnert,
Wayne Passmore, and Shane M. Sherlund (2005), "GSEs, Mortgage Rates, and Secondary Market Activities,"
Finance and Economic Discussion Series 2005-7 (January).

-10credit default swaps of both Fannie and Freddie have barely budged as the disruption in the
markets for GSE equities has deepened.
The MBS-GSE or GSE-Treasury interest rate spreads seem to be insensitive to changes in
the degree of intermediation because of the extraordinary substitutability of Aaa mortgages and
their financing vehicles for high-quality corporate debt and Treasuries. The method of GSEs'
intermediation may be another reason that we find so little effect of the size of the GSEs' MBS
portfolio on home-mortgage interest rates. The decision by a GSE to purchase and securitize a
mortgage is made independently of the decision to place the mortgage or mortgage-backed
security in the GSEs own portfolio. Thus, whatever effect the GSEs have on primary
home-mortgage rates appears to flow from the decision to purchase and securitize the mortgage,
not from the decision of whether to put the mortgage-backed security into the GSEs' portfolios
or sell the MBS in the private market.8

Some observers have suggested that the availability of fixed-rate mortgages is tied to the
size of GSE portfolios. We see little empirical support for this notion. For example, we have
found no evidence that fixed-rate mortgages were difficult to obtain during the early 1990s, when
GSE portfolios were small. Indeed, the share of fixed-rate mortgage originations averaged
slightly less than 80 percent in 1992, when GSE portfolios were small, and averaged 66 percent in

One issue that has been raised in the debate about the size of GSE portfolios is the following: In the event
of a shrinkage of GSE debt, would the reduction of foreign holdings of GSE debt deprive the U.S. housing market
of a net source of savings not otherwise available? Foreign holders whose GSE debt is redeemed will reinvest the
proceeds in U.S. Treasury issues, as GSE debt was perceived, in effect, as higher-yielding Treasury debt.
Accordingly, the effect on the financing of our current account deficit would likely be nil. Moreover, there is no
reason to believe that the effect on interest rates for MBS and home mortgages from reduced foreign holdings of
GSE debt would be any different from the evident quite small change owing to reduced domestic holdings of GSE
debt.

-112004, when GSE portfolios were large. Clearly, these data do not support the proposition that
the size of the GSEs' portfolios positively contributes to the availability or popularity of fixed-rate
mortgages. It is, of course, mortgage securitization, and not GSE portfolios, that is the more
likely reason for the continued market support for the popular thirty-year fixed-rate mortgage.

Without a notable direct or indirect effect on primary home-mortgage rates, it is difficult
to see how the GSEs' portfolios can influence homeownership. The evident de minimis to small
changes in home mortgage interest rates owing to GSE mortgage market intermediation
suggested by recent studies would have little effect on homeownership. Indeed, a comprehensive
survey by Ron Feldman (2001) finds that a change in mortgage rates would have to be at least
200 basis points before it would have more than a trivial effect on homeownership.9
Most analysts conclude that the primary determinants of homeownership appear to be the
loan-to-value, debt-to-income, and payment-to-income ratios associated with the mortgagor and
the mortgage. Over the 1990s, homeownership rates in the United States increased from about
64 percent to about 67 percent. Much of this increase seems to be due to growing incomes of
households, a generally lower level of interest rates, and an increased ability to extend loans to
borrowers who require higher loan-to-value ratios. The generally declining level of mortgage
rates that occurred in the 1990s reflects the fact that worldwide interest rates have been generally
lower and that worldwide development cannot be a consequence of GSE portfolio growth.

Ron J. Feldman (2001), "Mortgage Rates, Homeownership Rates, and Government-Sponsored
Enterprises," Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Annual Report, pp. 3-23.

-12Even with smaller portfolios, Fannie and Freddie would remain formidable institutions and
their profits would provide more than sufficient support for their special affordable-housing
programs. GSE mortgage securitization is a profitable activity and, with its modestly subsidized
guarantee, earns above-normal rates of returns.

As I testified before the Congress both this year and in 2004, the GSEs need a regulator
with authority on par with that of banking regulators, with a free hand to set appropriate capital
standards, and with a clear and credible process sanctioned by the Congress for placing a GSE in
receivership, where the conditions under which debt holders take losses are made clear.
However, if legislation takes only these actions and does not limit GSE portfolios, we run the risk
of solidifying investors' perceptions that the GSEs are instruments of the government and that
their debt is equivalent to government debt.
The GSEs will have an increased facility to continue to grow faster than the overall
home-mortgage market; indeed because their portfolios are not constrained, by law, to exclusively
home mortgages, GSEs can grow virtually without limit. GSE's mortgage securitization, in
contrast to their portfolio holdings, is the key to maintaining and enhancing the benefits of Fannie
and Freddie to homebuyers and secondary mortgage markets. And mortgage securitization,
unlike the GSE portfolio holdings, does not create substantial systemic risks.
Thus, one way to limit the GSE portfolios is to create a strong presumption that almost all
mortgage-related assets can be securitized. The GSEs would need to establish, with their
regulator, that any asset held in their portfolio could not be securitized. In other words, the

-13method of GSE financing most consistent with their missions is to securitize assets first and to
hold in their portfolios only those assets that are very difficult or unduly expensive to securitize.
Without the needed restrictions on the size of the GSE balance sheets, we put at risk our
ability to preserve safe and sound financial markets in the United States, a key ingredient of
support for housing.
Financial instability coupled with the higher interest rates it creates is the most formidable
barrier to the growth, if not the level, of homeownership. Huge, highly leveraged GSEs subject to
significant interest rate risk are not conducive to the long-term financial stability that a nation of
homeowners requires.