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MONEY TRUST INVESTIGATION
INVESTIGATION
OF

FINANCIAL AND MONETARY CONDITIONS
IN THE UNITED STATES
UNDER

HOUSE RESOLUTIONS NOS. 429 AND 504
BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON
BANKING AND CURRENCY




PART 25

WASHINGTON
GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
1813

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
ARSENF. P. PUJO, Louisiana, Chairman.
WILLIAM Q. BROWN, West Virginia.
GEORGE A. NEELEY, Kansas.
ROBERT h. DOUOHTON, North Carolina.
HENRY McMORRAN, Michigan.
HUBERT D. STEPHENS, Mississippi.
EVERIS A. HAYES, California.
JAMES A. DAUQHER.TY, Missouri.
FRANK E. GUERNSEY, Maine.
JAMES F. BYRNES, South Carolina.
WILLIAM H. HEALD, Delaware.
R. W, FONTENOT, Clerk.
A. M. MCDEEMOTT, Assistant Clerk.

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MONEY TRUST INVESTIGATION.
SUBCOMMITTB OF THE
COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY,
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

Washington, D. C, Thursday, January 23,1913.
The subcommittee met at 11.15 o'clock a. m.
Present: Messrs. Pujo (chairman), Stephens, Daugherty, Neeley,
Byrnes, and Doughton.
Present also: Samuel Untermyer, Esq., of New York City, counsel
for the committee.
TESTIMONY OF THOMAS W. JOYCE.

The witness was sworn by the chairman.
Mr. UNTEMYER. "Will you be good enough to state your residence
and occupation?
Mr. JOYCE. 663 Willoiighby Avenue, Brooklyn, N. Y. I occupy
a position with J. P. Morgan & Co. known as that of security
clerk.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW long have you been connected with J. P.
Morgan & Co.?
Mr. JOYCE. Twenty-eight years.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you be good enough to describe the business
of the department over which you preside, in which your position
is known as that of security clerk ?
Mr. JOYCE. My principal business is to receive and deliver securities and record the particulars of same for the uses of the firm,
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you keep the books in your department or
are they kept under your direction?
Mr. JOYCE. They are kept under my direction.
Mr. UNTERMYE... Have you brought with you a statement of the
amount on deposit by J. P. Morgan & Co. with each of the different
banks, as of January 2, 1912, and November 1, 1912?
Mr. JOYCE. I believe such a list has been furnished. I have not
got it in my possession.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I would like to have Mr. Joyce produce that list,
Mr. Lindabury.
Mr. Lindabury produced certain papers.
Mr. UNDERMYER. In answer to the request, the firm of J. P.
Morgan & Co. produces two statements, from which we ask that
there be marked in evidence the names of the banks with the deposit
in each of J. P. Morgan & Co., which is the information for which
I asked. The other two columns are not to be part of the record.
The papers referred to were marked, " Exhibits Nos. 219 and 220,
January 23, 1913." and will be found printed in the record following volume 25.

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Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you anything to do with the bank accounts
of J. P. Morgan & Co. ? *
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO

you know in what way the deposits of money
with the firm are disposed of, and how they are invested ?
Mr. JOYCE. I do not.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. YOU

have charge of the investments, have you
not?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir; only as custodian.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But as custodian you have charge of the securities held by the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co. for its own account ?
Mr. JOYCE. And its clients.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And for the account of its clients?
Mr. JOYCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER.

In what way are the securities held for the depositors of J. P. Morgan & Co.? Are there any separate accounts
showing the allotment, to those that deposit with J. P. Morgan &
Co., on any given securities?
Mr. JOYCE. DO you mean to say a separate record kept of them?
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO; but is there any way of identifying them?
For instance, if the International Harvester Co. is a depositor with
J. P. Morgan & Co., are there any securities kept apart as against
that deposit?
Mr. JOYCE. Against the cash deposit, do you refer to?
Mr. UNTERMYEK. Yes; against cash deposits; against checks?
Mr. JOYCE. The records kept by me would only show what securities were in the possession of J. P. Morgan & Co. I would have no
control over how it was applied.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO; but would you have any record that would
enable the committee to ascertain whether any securities whatever
are appropriated to or set apart for the moneys that J. P. Morgan
& Co. hold as depository?
Mr. JOYCE. My records would not show any transaction of that
kind.
Mr. UNTERMYER. SO far as you know, are any securities of any
kind held, or is there any security whatever other than the responsibility of the firm, as against these deposit accounts—these deposit
liabilities of the firm?
Mr. JOYCE. I do not grasp the meaning of your question.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let me see if I can make it perfectly plain. It
appears that on January 1, 1912, Messrs. Morgan had on deposit,
belonging to certain corporations, upward of $100,000,000, I forget
the exact amount.
Now. what I want to know is whether or not there is any security
against those deposits other than the responsibility of the firm and
its obligations?
Mr. JOYCE. YOU mean securities held for our clients?
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO; securities held as against those deposits or
appropriated as against them.
Mr. JOYCE. I do not know of any.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do not know of any?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.

Mr. UNTERMYER. SO far as you know, there is no such account, and
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Mr. JOYCE. AS I understand your question.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What becomes of these moneys that are deposited
by interstate corporations with J. P. Morgan & Co., these cash deposits ?
Mr. JOYCE. I do not have am thing to do with that particular part
of the business.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Do you know whether they are invested?
Mr. JOYCE. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Would not the books of your department contain any entries relating to that subject: would they not show against
what these securities are held?
Mr. JOYCE. The books of my department would show the receipt
and delivery of securities for the clients of the firm, of thefirm'sown
accounts.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Your books would also show the ownership or
holding of securities for account of firms?
Mr. JOYCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And would

they also show the obligations against
which these securities are held?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.

Mr. UNTERMYER. They would not show the debt?
Mr. JOYCE. Not unless they were held as collateral to a loan.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. But apart from that, if they were all out of deposits by customers, the amount of deposits representing the debt
would not show in your books or in your department, would it?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you anything to do with the underwriting ?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO relation to it at all?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. DO VOU know the business, or that branch of it,

at all?
Mr. JOYCE. Only through my ordinary familiarity.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you anything to do with the allotment of
securities ?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is in another department,
Mr. JOYCE. It is done by the firm.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know whether there are

is it?

lists kept by the
firm, of corporations and individuals and firms, from which those
to whom these allotments are made are selected?
Mr. JOYCE. I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know nothing about that?
Mr. JOYCE. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And you do not know anything

the participants in this underwriting?
Mr. JOTCE. No.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do

about who were

not get any information on that subject
in your department?
Mr. JOYCE. Not until we have to deliver securities; that is all. I
know to whom I deliver securities.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In cases in which no delivery of securities is
made to the underwriters, but securities are sold by the firm, then
the transaction does not come to YOU?




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Mr. JOYCE. NO.

Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you brought any books or papers with you ?
Mr. JOYCE. I have not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you the custodian of the documents of the
firm, such as agreements, voting trust agreements, and the like?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is in another department?
Mr. JOYCE. That is kept by the firm.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And not within your jurisdiction?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. The records kept under your direction

would
ehow, however, would they not, the amount of securities in the various constituent companies that were combined into the United
States Steel Co., that were owned by the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co.
at the time of the combination?
Mr. JOYCE. The records would show the securities owned by those
companies if they had on deposit with us any securities.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am not speaking of the securities owned by
those companies, but I am speaking of securities owned by J. P. Morgan & Co. in those companies. Your records would show that, would
they not?
Mr. JOYCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTEKMYER.
Mr. JOYCE. NO.
Mr. UNTEKMYER.

Have you brought those records with you ?

Mr. Lindabury, we asked in this letter to you of
January 24, as follows:
The committee would like also a statement of the holdings of Messrs. J. P.
Morgan & Co. in stocks of the constituent companies that were transferred to
the United States Steel Corporation at or about the time of the transfer, showIng the interest of Messrs. Morgan & Co. in the securities that were exchanged
for United States Steel securities.

Have you brought such a list?
Mr. LINDABURY. NO ; we have not brought that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you been asked to prepare such a list from
your books?
Mr. JOYCE. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. The

data in your office would show the extent of
such ownership, would it not?
Mr. JOYCE. The records would show if there were any securities
owned.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. Yes. Have you any recollection as to the securities that were owned by J. P. Morgan & Co. that went into the consolidation?
Mr. JOYCE. I can not recall; I can not remember.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU can not remember any of them ?
Mr. JOYCE. NO sir,
Mr. UNTEKMYER. Can

you give us any approximate idea of what
the amount of them was ?
Mr. JOYCE. I can not remember.
Mr. UNTERMYER. There were such securities, were there not?
Mr. JOYCE. My recollection is that securities that went in the
United States Steel Corporation were deposited with various trust
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Mr. UNTERMTER. But before being deposited with various trust
companies and depositories for exchange, were they not first in your
possession, after they were acquired by J. P. Morgan & Co., if they
were so acquired?
Mr. JOTCE. I do not recall.
Mr. UNTERMTER. DO you mean to say that you do not know
whether or not you did turn over any such securities under any deposit arrangement?
Mr. JOTCE. I may have turned over some securities, but what they
were I do not remember.
Mr. UNTERMTER. YOU remember the names of these constituent
companies, do you not?
Mr. JOTCE. Some of them; yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMTEB. DO you remember the American Steel Hoop Co. I
Mr. JOTCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTEB.

Did the firm have any of those securities at the
time of the reorganization, or did it turn over any for deposit?
Mr. JOTCE. I can not remember.
Mr. UNTERMTER. And is your answer the same for the American
Tin Plate Co.?
Mr. JOTCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTER.

Wire Co. ?

And is it the same as to the American Steel

Mr. JOTCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTEB. And as to the American Sheet Steel Co. ?
Mr. JOTCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTEB. And as to the Federal Steel Co. ?
Mr. JOYCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTER. DO you not know that your firm had large

holdings in the Federal Steel Co.?
Mr. JOTCE. I can not remember. It is 13 years ago.
Mr. UNTERMTEB. IS your answer the same as to the National Steel
Company ?
Mr. JOTCE. Yes
Mr. UNTERMTEB. And as to the National Tube Co. ?
Mr. JOTCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Had not J. P. Morgan & Co. originally

the Federal Steel Co. and been concerned in its organization ?
Mr. JOTCE. I think they did.
Mr. UNTERMTEB. And the National Tube Co. ?
Mr. JOTCE. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTER.

issued

Does not that refresh your memory so as to enable you to say whether or not they were very large holders of those
securities at the time the securities were acquired or called for under
the arrangement for the reorganization 01 the United States Steel
Corporation ?
Mr. JOTCE. AS you read the names, I recalled the names, but I
could not say anything as to the amounts that they owned, or whether
they owned any or not.
Mr. UNTERMTER. YOU have not refreshed your recollection, or
been asked to do so since you were notified you would be required to
appear here?
Mr. JOTCE. NO, sir.



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Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you anything to do with the department
concerned with the issue of securities—I mean the issue of new securities—by Messrs. Morgan & Co. as bankers? Have you anything to
do with the department concerned in the issue of those securities!
Mr. JOYCE. In what capacity do you mean ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. In any capacity.
Mr. JOTCE. If securities were received by J. P. Morgan & Co. they
would be under my custody.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Then it is a fact that your business is confined
purely to that of being custodian of the securities ?
Mr. JOYCE. Custodian.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. "Without any knowledge or information as to the
way in which they come into the possession of J. P. Morgan & Co. or
the way that they go out of it—is that right?
Mr. JOYCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have

you produced here any of the records concerned with the voting trust of the Southern Railway?
Mr. LINDABURY. My recollection is that the request last alluded to
and some others were made of the firm and not of the witness, and
the witness has not been spoken to about it; but I think we have it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Very well.
Mr. LINDABTJRY. I think it is fair to the witness to say that I did
not show him that or confer with him on the subject.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I do not think that Mr. Joyce knows very much
about these facts. We understood that he did. In fact, we were informed that he did.
Mr. Joyce, does this list that has been produced here contain a
statement of all the depositories of J. P. Morgan & Co.—all the banks
in which they deposit funds ?
Mr. JOYCE. May I see that list ?
Mr. LINDABURY. It is conceded by counsel for the firm that the list
produced represents all the depositories of the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Joyce, we will excuse you and ask Mr. Pavison take the stand.
TESTIMONY OF HENBY P. DAVISON.

The witness was sworn by the chairman.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Please state your residence and occupation.
Mr. DAVISON. New York City; and I am a member of the firm of
J. P. Morgan & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW long have you been a member of thatfirm?
Mr. DAVISON. Since the 1st of January. 1909.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Prior to that what was your occupation?
Mr. DAVISON. I was vice president of the First National Bank.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When did you become vice president of that
bank?
Mr. DAVISON. On the 1st of January, 1902.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And before that time had you been connected
with the bank?
Mr. DAVISON. NO : I had not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Had you been

that?




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Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I was president of the Liberty National Bank.
I resigned that position to take the position with the First National
Bank.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Was Mr. Converse then connected with the Liberty National Bank when you were president %
Mr. DAVISON. He was a director; yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was he the chairman of the board ?
Mr. DAVISON. He was not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Had he not been the president of that bank?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; he had not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did he succeed you?
Mr. DAVISON. He succeeded me.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is Mr. Edward C. Converse ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He is a member of the executive committee of the

United States Steel Corporation, is he not?
Mr. DAVISON. I think there is no executive committee of the United
States Steel Corporation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He is not, then ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; he is not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He is a director

of the United States Steel Corporation, is he not?
Mr. DAVISON. I believe he is.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was he or not a director and largely interested
in the National Tube Co., which was merged in the United States
Steel Corporation, through a stockholding?
Mr. DAVISON. I can not speak positively. My understanding—my
recollection—is that he was president of the National Tube Co., and
I have supposed that he was largely interested, but I do not know of
my own knowledge.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know nothing, personally, about the facts
surrounding the organization of the United States Steel Corporation \
Mr. DAVISON. No; I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That preceded

National, did it not ?

your connection with the First

Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Were

you in no way connected with the United
States Steel Corporation organization through your relations as
president of the Liberty Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think I quite understand that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU were president of the Liberty Bank, were
you not, at the time the United States Steel Corporation was
organized?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. AS

president of the Liberty Bank, did you have
any connection with the organization of the United States Steel
Corporation or with the underwriting of its securities?
Mr. DAVISON. AS president of the Liberty National Bank?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Either as president of the Liberty National Bank
or in any other connection or capacity.
Mr. DAVISON. Are you asking me if I had a personal interest in
the underwriting?
Mr. UNTERMYER. I ask whether you had an interest personally or
in a representative capacity ?




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Mr. DAVISON. I had no interest in a representative capacity.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Then you were an underwriter personally, were
you?
Mr. DAVISON. I was, to a very small extent, I am sorry to say.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What I am trying to get at is to ascertain whether
you had any active cooperation with or connection with the organization of that company.
Mr. DAVISON. Absolutely none.
Mr. UNTEEMTEK. SO that you are not familiar with any of those
facts?
Mr. DAVISON. Not at all.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. Are you still a director in the Liberty Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you a member of the executive committee?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. Who are the members of the executive committee

of that bank; do you remember ?
Mr. DAVISON. It is a pretty long list.
Mr. UNTEHMTER. The executive committee is a long list ?
Mr. DAVISON. A long list.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW long a list is the entire board ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall, exactly; I think it is 23 or 24 or 25,
and I think the executive committee is composed of about 12 members. I can give you a list if you desire it.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Yes; if you will, please.
Mr. DAVISON.-Do you want the full names?
Mr. UNTERMYER. If you please.
Mr. DAVISON. E. C. Converse, Otis H. Cutler, George B. Case,
Arthur F. Luke, D. E. Pomeroy, Seward Prosser, D. G. Keid, C. H.
Sabin. F. B. Schenck, C. H. Stout, A. H. Wiggin, and myself—12
members.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Who is chairman of the executive committee?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO

you recall the capital and surplus of the
bank?
Mr. DAVISON. The capital is $1,000,000 and the surplus is
Mr. UNTERMYER. Perhaps you can tell us approximately.
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that the surplus and undivided
profits, by the statement of November, show as $2,790,000.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What are the deposits?
Mr. DAVISON. $25,123,000.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS Mr. Albert H. Wiggin, who you say is a member of the executive committee, the same Mr. Wiggin who is president of the Chase Bank ?
Mr. DAVISON. He is.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And is associated with you in other banks ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS Mr. Sabin vice president of the Guaranty

Trust Co. ?

Mr. DAVISON. He is.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And

he is associated with you in other banking
boards?
Mr. DAVISON. I think not.
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Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall that he is in any other except the
Guaranty Trust, of which I am chairman.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS Daniel G. Eeid the same gentleman who is
one of the voting trustees of the Bankers' Trust Co. with you?
Mr. DAVISON. He is.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. And is

Mr. Case, who is another member of the
executive committee of the Liberty Bank, your counsel?
Mr. DAVISON. He is my personal counsel; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He is here ?
Mr. DAVISON. He is here.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And he is of the firm of White & Case?
Mr. DAVISON. He is.

Mr. UNTERMYER. Which also represents the Bankers' Trust Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. His firm are counsel for the Bankers' Trust.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And for the Liberty Bank?
Mi\ DAVISON. And for the Liberty National Bank; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And also the Astor Trust?
Mr. DAVISON. For the Astor Trust; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you a director of the Astor Trust Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you a member of the executive committee?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you chairman of the executive committee?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Of whom is that executive committee composed?
Mr. DAVISON. The executive committee of the Astor Trust are

Messrs. E. C. Converse, T. W. Lamont, E. L. Marston, G. W. McGarrah, D. E. Pomeroy, William H. Porter, Seward Prosser, D. G.
Eeid, Benjamin Strong, jr., Albert H. Wiggin, and myself.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Strong is the same Mr. Strong who is vice
president and acting president of the Bankers' Trust Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. He is the vice president of the Bankers' Trust Co.
and the executive officer. He has not the title of acting president.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. Mr. Porter is a member of the firm of J. P.
Morgan & Co., is he not?
Mr. DAVISON. He is.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who is Mr.
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Pomeroy

Pomeroy ?
is vice president of the Bankers'

Trust Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And is the same Mr. Pomeroy who is also a member of the executive committee of the Liberty Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. He is.

Mr. UNTERMYER. IS Mr. McGarrah the president of the Mechanics
& Metals Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. He is.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS

Mr. Marston the same Mr. Marston who is
president of the Farmers' Loan & Trust Co., or is it Blair & Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. Blair & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Lamont, who is on the board, is also a member of J. P. Morgan & Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have

you not a memorandum there showing the
capital, surplus, and deposits of the Astor Trust Co. ?



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Mr. DAVISON. I have. The Astor Trust, as shown by their statement of September 9, have capital, $1,250,000; surplus and undivided
profits, $1,368,000, and deposits, $23,250,000. Those are round
numbers.
Mr. UNTERMYER. You are also a director, are you not, in the First
National Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you a member of the executive committee?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS there an executive committee there?
Mr. DAVISON. There is; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know the membership of it?
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that the members of the executive

committee are Messrs. J. P. Morgan, F. L. Hine, and A. B. Hepburn. I am not absolutely positive of that, but that is my recollection.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO they sit by proxy ?
Mr. DAVISON. I can not say.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was that the

situation when you were at the
bank?
Mr. DAVISON. The executive committee in the bank were never
active when I was there. They had an executive committee, but, as
a matter of fact, while I was there I never knew of their taking any
action.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU are a director in the Chemical National
Bank, are you?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. And
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are

Co.?

Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are

in the Bank of Commerce ?
in the First Security Co. ?
you also a director in the Guaranty Trust
in the Bankers Trust Co. ?

you also one of the voting trustees in each
of the two last-named companies?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. With

respect first to the Guaranty Trust Co.,
Mr. Davison, were you active in setting up that voting trust ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know just what you mean by setting up the
voting trust.
Mr. UNTEEMYEB. Was it your idea?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall whether it was or was not. It may
have been. I was in conference on that subject when that voting
trust was made.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In conference with whom?
Mr. DAVISON. With my associates in the purchase of the stock.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you buy the stock at that time with your
associates ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; several of us made a purchase of the stock.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was that at the time the Mutual Life parted with
its stock?
Mr. DAVISON. It




was.

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Mr. UNTERMYEB. DO you remember the date?
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that it was in the early part of
1910. I can give you the exact date if you wish it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; if you will. The voting trust agreement is
dated January 3, 1910.
Mr. DAVISON (after examination of memorandum). I have not
the exact date. It was the early part of 1910.
Mr. UNTEEMYEE. That is near enough. Who negotiated that purchase for the Mutual Life on behalf of the purchaser?
Mr. DAVISON. I did.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. With whom did you negotiate it ?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Peabody, the president of the Mutual Life.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW much stock was purchased?
Mr. DAVISON. About 6,000 shares.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Was that the total holding of the Mutual Life ?
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that it was.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. What was the capital of the Guaranty Trust at

that time?
Mr. DAVISON.. $2,000,000.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That was 20,000 shares?
Mr. DAVISON. 20,000 shares.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Did you have any written agreement with Mr.
Peabody or with the Mutual Life with respect to that purchase?
Mr. DAVISON. We had; yes.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. And have you that here ?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Was the agreement made

with you for yourself
and associates?
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that it was.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But you were the only person named in the
agreement as purchaser?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I think there were others named in the agreement.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was Mr. Baker one of the persons named in the
agreement ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not quite sure, Mr. Untermyer, who was named,
but I think Mr. Baker was not. I am quite confident.
Mr. UNTERMYER. There is no objection to producing the agreement?
Mr. DAVISON. Not the slightest.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you supply that?
Mr. DAVISON. I will be glad to.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was Mr. Baker a participant in the purchase?
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that he was not, but I am not
clear. If he was, it was a very small percentage.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was he already a holder of the stock in the
Guaranty Trust at that time?
Mr. DAVISON. He must have been, as he was a director.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Were you also a director?
Mr. DAVISON. I was not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Had you

any interest in the trust company at
that time?
Mr. DAVISON. None whatever.

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Mr. DAVISON. Not so far as I know.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Did you make it a condition, then, of buying in
the Guaranty Trust that there should be a voting trust?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTEBMTEE. Did

you negotiate or deal with the large holders
of stock outstanding?
Mr. DAVISON. We purchased the stock of Mrs. Harriman.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. HOW much did she have?
Mr. DAVISON. Approximately 6,000 shares; that is my recollection.
Mr. UNTEBMTER. Those two purchases gave you control ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; gave us 12,000 shares.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. That gave you 12,000 out of 20,000 shares?
Mr. DAVISON. Correct.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. HOW was the balance of the stock held, the remaining 8,000 shares; was it pretty well scattered?
Mr. DAVISON. Pretty well scattered, I think.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. There were no large holdings?
Mr. DAVISON. I think there were no very large holdings, I can not
say as to that. I do not recall. I think there were one or two rather
large holdings.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Of over a thousand shares each?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not remember. It was not a factor in any
Mr. UNTEBMYER (interposing). Do you remember who they were?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. At any rate

you did not have any negotiations
with them?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; we had no negotiations with them.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. When you took over this control of the Guaranty
Trust for yourself and your associates through these two purchases,
did you contemplate then absorbing other trust companies?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Untermyer, the plan of purchase of the Guaranty Trust dates back from the period of the time of the purchase.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. The point I want to inquire about and which I
would like to have you direct attention to is that when you effected
that purchase you had in mind the absorption of other institutions
into the Guaranty Trust?
Mr. DAVISON. NO, sir: we had not. Quite the contrary.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you have in mind the absorption of the
Guaranty Trust into some other institution?
Mr. DAVISON. We had. The stock of the Guaranty Trust was purchased in the interest of the Bankers Trust Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you then have in mind the absorption, either
by the Bankers Trust or the Guaranty Trust or by both of them, as
combined with other trust companies?
Mr. DAVISON. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. SO that

when you made the purchase there was
no idea of any further amalgamation than that of the two trust
companies ?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU mean any specific idea; that is as to any particular
Mr. UNTERMYER (interposing). No; but any general plan.
Mr. DAVISON. None whatever.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Or purpose of acquiring other trust companies
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Mr. DAVISON. None whatever.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you make it a condition of acquiring the
Guaranty Trust that there should be a voting trust?
Mr. DAVISON. I think I have answered no; that we did not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. It was part of the general plan by which you
acquired it, was it not?
Mr. DAVISON. Not at all.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. HOW soon

after the acquisition of the stock was
the voting trust created ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think almost immediately after.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was it not practically part of the same transaction ?
Mr. DAVISON. Not at all.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In point of
Mr. DAVISON. I say I think

date it was concurrent, was it not!
it occurred practically at the same
time; but the voting trust and the purchase had absolutely no relation one to the other.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When you made the purchase at the same time
that you set up the voting trust, you had in mind setting up a voting
trust, did you not?
Mr. DAVISON. I think I can say we had no such thought in mind
when that purchase was made. My recollection is that after we had
made the purchase we thought, in view of plans we contemplated,
that it would be wise to create that voting trust; and we did so and
offered the other stockholders an opportunity to come in and join
with us.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU mean you offered them the opportunity to
resign the voting rights on their shares.
Mr. DAVISON. Exactly.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. That was not much of a privilege, was it?
Mr. DAVISON. They seemed to regard it as such.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU mean because they went in?
Mr. DAVISON. Because they accepted.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But where was the privilege? Since you had a
majority anyway and could create a voting trust that would control
the company, what privilege or advantage was it to a minority holder
of stock to resign his voting rights?
Mr. DAVISON. I think, perhaps, they can answer that better than I
can. They elected to accept the invitation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; but if there was any privilege or advantage
in such a surrender of their rights, perhaps you will be good enough
to point it out, if you can see any.
Mr. DAVISON. If we had not seen an advantage in it we would not
have organized the voting trust.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am not speaking of the advantage to the majority holders of organizing a voting trust to control the company,
but what I would like to know is, what advantage was it, so far as
you can see, to a minority holder to surrender his rights and go into
a voting trust?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know that we made any particular argument in favor of extending to them a privilege. We were organizing
a voting trust.
Mr. UNTEEMYBH. I have not suggested that you did make any
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experience in financial affairs, you can see where there was any
advantage to a minority holder in surrendering his voting rights and
going into a voting trust, when you already controlled a majority of
the stock.
Mr. DAVISON. Under the present laws I do not know that I do see
any advantage in a minority holder putting his stock with the majority under a voting trust.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Why do you refer to the present laws? Are
there any other laws, or any former laws anywhere, under which
there would be any advantage ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know what laws you are contemplating
putting on the statute books. I referred not to laws that have been
passed, but to laws in the future.
Mr. UNTERMYER. This agreement was not made with reference
to any contemplated future law, was it ?
Mr. DAVISON. Not at all. Do you mind my making a statement on
this voting-trust question ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO. I think the committee would like to have a
statement from you on this question of voting trusts of trust companies and financial institutions.
Mr. DAVISON. I should be very glad to explain the question of the
voting trusts, so far as we have been associated with them. Several
of the younger bankers in New York organized the Bankers Trust
Co. in 1903. It was at that time that we organized the voting trust
for the stock of the Bankers Trust Co. The stock of the trust company was issued, and after it was issued and turned over to the stockholders they then turned it back into a voting trust. • The particular
purpose of that was to preclude the purchase overnight of the control
of that company by individuals who were at that time active in New
York, whose credit and responsibility were somewhat under question.
They were regarded as promoters, and we wanted to protect our position. We had lent our names to a financial institution that was our
first undertaking in that regard, and we did not want to wake up
some morning and find that these promoters had purchased control
of the stock away from us. The matter was not given any very serious thought as to whether there was any objection or could be any
objection on the part of anybody as to a voting trust. We thought
that was a wise way to protect our situation. The trust was carried
on and renewed from time to time. Perhaps you will want to take
that up in some other way.
When we purchased, as we did. the majority of the stock of the
Guaranty Trust Co., we purchased it with the idea of merging the
Guaranty Trust Co. and the Bankers Trust Co., and our experience
with the voting trust in the Bankers Trust Co. had been so very
satisfactory that it suggested itself to us that it might be well to
put that stock under the voting trust, and when the merger was
effected it could be more simply handled.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you not mistaken in saying that the Bankers
Trust Co. stock was first issued and was then turned back into the
voting-trust arrangement as a subsequent thought or idea?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not say, Mr. Untermyer, that it was a subsequent thought or idea.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you not mean to imply that it was not a part
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trust company was organized, that it should go into a voting
trust?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not mean to imply anything that I did not say.
What I said was, and I think I am correct in making the statement,
that the stock was first issued to the stockholders and then turned
back into a voting trust.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was it not issued with the idea that it should be
put into the voting trust ? Was not that one of the understandings
of the issue ?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean by the understanding of the
issue ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was not that one of the conditions under which
it was issued ?
Mr. DAVISON. It was not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us see

what the agreement is. Do you remember when the stock was issued ?
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that the company opened for business on the 30th of March, 1903.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was not the idea of this voting trust in contemplation between you at the time the stock was issued'.
Mr. DAVISON. It may have been.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Well, was it?
Mr. DAVISON. I say I do not remember. It may have been.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I will read to vou from the agreement, which is
dated the 18th of March, 1903, the following recital. This is the
voting-trust agreement.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER (reading):
Whereas the terms and provisions of this agreement and the execution
thereof were in contemplation of all the parties at the time of their respective
subscriptions to the stock of the company and formed a part of the consideration for the said subscriptions to said stock, although not recited in the subscription agreement for said stock, etc.

Does not that recital refresh your memory so that you are able to
correct your statement?
Mr. DAVISON. It does not refresh my memory. What does that
come from?
Mr. UNTERMYER. It comes from the Bankers' Trust Co. and is
the original agreement.
Mr. DAVISON. The voting-trust agreement?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; the voting-trust agreement.
Mr. DAVISON. Then it makes clear that the voting trust was contemplated. I am perfectly willing to concede that it was.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I should think you might be.
Mr. DAVISON. My statement I would like to have recorded as made,
which is that the stock was first issued to the stockholders and then
turned back into the voting trust. So far as that agreement or arrangement is concerned it had entirely escaped my recollection if
I ever knew it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NOW that you have had your attention called to
the fact there is not any doubt, is there, that it was a part of the consideration and understanding at the time the Bankers' Trust Co.
was formed that it should be put under a voting trust?
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Mr. DAVISON. I do not know that I quite understand your question.
Mr. UNTERMTER. I will put it again.
Mr. DAVISON. If you will.
Mr. UNTEKMTER. Does not the reading of that agreement refresh
your recollection so that you are able to say thai the execution of
the voting-trust agreement was in contemplation at the time that
you subscribed to the stock and that it formed a part of the consideration for your subscription?
Mr. DAVISON. IS not that the answer to your question [indicating
paper] ?
Mr. UNTEEMTER. There is my question. [The last question was
read aloud by the stenographer.]
Mr. DAVISON. I will offer the written statement there as an answer to your question.
Mr. UNTEKMTER. It is not an answer to my question. The question is whether that does not refresh your recollection as to the fact?
Mr. DAVISON. I am sorry that it does not I do not recall it at
all. I am perfectly willing to concede it, but I do not recall it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU were starting a new trust company and you
were all experienced bankers, were you not?
Mr. DAVISON. We thought we were then, perhaps, but we are not
so sure now that we were.
Mr. UNTERMTER. YOU were all well-known bankers and heads of
large banks in New York?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; we were in the so-called younger generation in
the banking business.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Let us see about these young men.
Mr. DAVISON. It is all comparative, you know.
Mr. UNTERMTER. The first of these young men who started into
this infant enterprise is Mr. Stephen Baker. He was president of
the Bank of the Manhattan Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. He was.
Mr. UNTERMTER. He was not a very young man, was he ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; as I say, it is all comparative.
Mr. UNTEEMTER. About how old a man should you say he

was in
1903 ? That is nearly 10 years ago.
Mr. DAVISON. I should say that Mr. Baker was perhaps 40 in 1903;
a pretty young man.
Mr. UXTEEMTER. Was he related to George Baker ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think not.
Mr. UNTERMTER. The next young man is Samuel G. Bayne, president of the Seaboard National Bank.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, you know Mr. Bayne.
Mr. UNTERMTER. He is well over 70, is he not?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think so. I do not know. He is pretty
active.
Mr. UNTEEMTER. YOU know his son, do you not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I think I io.
Mr. UNTEEMTER. And his grandchildren?
Mr. DAVISON. No; I am sorry to say I do not.
Mr. UNTERMTER. He was the head of one of the great banks of
New York?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.




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Mr. UNTERMTER. And he is still ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The

banks ?

Bank of Manhattan is one of the large

Mr. DAVISON. Yes.

Mr. UNTERMYER. And was then, was it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTER. The

next young man was Edward C. Converse.
He is a man well on in years, is he not ?
Mr. DAVISON. AS I say, it is all comparative.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He is a man in the neighborhood of 70 years of
age?
Mr. DAVISON. I think not. I think Mr. Converse—I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Well, 60 or so ?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say he is 61 or 62.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. And he was the president of what bank?
Mr. DAVISON. He was president of no bank.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He was connected with the Liberty Bank at that
time—in 1903?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; he was president of the Liberty Bank.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Which is also an important institution ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The next man on the list
Mr. DAVISON. YOU would not argue about
Mr. UNTEBMYER. He was vice president

Banks?

is Mr. Davison.
his youthfulness?
of the First National

Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. We will

concede that you were a young man and
fctill are.
Mr. James H. Eccles is a young man? He was president of the
Commercial National Bank of Chicago?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.

Mr. UNTERMYER. And he had been Comptroller of the Currency ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYEK. He

was a man of large experience in banking
affairs ?
Mr. DAVISON. Very.
Mr. UNTERMYER. A man of great experience. The next director
is Granville A. Garth. Is he a young man ?
Mr. DAVISON. It is all comparative. We thought he was and he
thought he was.
Mr. UNTERMYER. About 50?
Mr. DAVISON. At that time I should say about 35.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The next man is Barton W. Hepburn, on that
board ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He
Mr. DAVISON. I can

was president of the Chase Bank?
see now that we were unduly modest. We
thought we were young men. Put it that way: I will qualify it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU thought you were all young men that had
to be protected from promoters in the Street ?
Mr. DAVISON. The question of age did not govern us in that regard.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Well, we will find out how much protection you



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needed from promoters in the Street. Mr. Hepburn was a man
of probably 60 years of age, around that ?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say nearer 45.
Mr. UNTERMYER. A man of wide experience in the banking world ?
Mr. DAVISON. That is also comparative.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU regarded him as a man of wide experience,
did you not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Pretty wide experience, I should say.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He was a director in the First National Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I think not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Not at that time?
Mr. DAVISON. I think not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He was connected with other banking institutions ?
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that he was vice president of the
Chase National Bank.
Mr. UNTERMYER. William Logan. Do you remember him?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He was the next director?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He was in the Hanover Bank ?
Mr. DAVISON. He was.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. McGarrah. He was an important

banking
man, was he not ?
Mr. DAVISON. We thought so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He was president of the Leather Manufacturers'
National Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. He
Mr. UNTERMYER.

was.

The next young man on the list was George W.
Perkins. He was then a partner of J. P. Morgan & Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. He was.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He is

among the men that needed protection
from the promoters in the Street?
Mr. DAVISON. We felt so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And William H. Porter is the next man. He
was president of the Chemical Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I think not; no.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Oh, yes he was.
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. It states so.
Mr. DAVISON. He afterwards became president.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; he was president in 1903, was he not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think so. If it states so he was, but

I did
not recall it. I am surprised if that is so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I think Mr. Williams went out in 1902.
Mr. DAVISON. If he did, then Mr. Porter succeeded him.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That would refresh your memory, would it not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. I did not realize it was so late.
Mr. UNTEHMYEB. The next young man on the list is Daniel G.
Eeid.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He

is an inexperienced gentleman, who needed
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Mr. DAVISON. YOU are arguing the fact; I am stating pur reasons.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What was his connection with the Liberty Bank
at that time?
Mr. DAVISON. He was vice president of it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Albert H. Wiggin was another of these gentlemen, was he not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He

was vice president of the Park Bank at that
time?
Mr. DAVISON. That is my recollection.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Edward F. C Young was not a very young
man, was he ? He has died since, has he not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He was a very old man ?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Young, I think, was over 60 at that time.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. And Mr. Wolverton. president of the Gallatin

National Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recollect. If it states so there on that
paper, he was.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I want to call your attention to the last of these
young men; that is, Mr. Eobert Winsor, of Kidder, Peabody & Co.
He was senior partner of Kidder, Peabody & Co., was he not?
Mr. DAVISON. I could not say as to that. He is the important
partner of Kidder, Peabody & Co.
. Mr. UNTERMYER. He is the important partner of Kidder, Peabody
& Co. and one of the most experienced bankers in the country ?
Mr. DAVISON. That is comparative, also.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He is an influential banker?
Mr. DAVISON. A very important man.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And it is a national banking house and an international banking house?
Mr. DAVISON. I should regard it as international.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. These gentlemen were the participants in the
stock; the stock was divided between them, was it not?
Mr. DAVISON. They participated in the issue of stock; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Were there any other people concerned? Was
the stock divided originally among the men who went on that board?
Mr. DAVISON. It was not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you

received ?

Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW

know the proportion of the stock they

much stock was represented by those directors ?
Mr. DAVISON. Let me see. I can only
Mr. UNTERMYER. If you do not remember, we will let it pass.
Mr. DAVISON. It was less than a majority; I am confident of that
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who held the rest ?
Mr. DAVISON. The stock was placed where it was thought it would
do the most good.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Converse held a large part of it, did he not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Xot a large part: no.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did he not?
Mr. DAVISON. XO. We were a little bit modest in those days.



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Mr. UNTERMYEK. Look at the agreement [showing witness Exhibit
54, of Dec. 11, 1912] and the copies of the signatures and tell
me if that does not refresh your memory so that you are able to say
that the stock was held by the subscribers to the voting trust agreement?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not call that a very large holding. He held 390
shares, according to that statement.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. That is a list of the stockholders, is it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I would not call this a satisfactory list of the stockholders to give you the information you are after.
Mr. UNTERMYER. If there is anything wrong about it, will you be
good enough to supply a substitute list?
Mr. DAVISON. AS of what date?
Mr. UNTERMYER. AS of the date of the organization of the company.
Mr. DAVISON. This is a correct list as of the date of the organization of the company, I assume.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU mean the list of signatures in Exhibit 54 i
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know exactly what that document is, but I
should say if it served any purpose it served the purpose of showing
who the stockholders were at that time.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That document, I see by the indorsement on the
back, is a voting trust agreement which was delivered March 28,
1903. This is a copy of the indorsement of Mr. Thompson, the vice
president.
Mr. DAVISON. YOU are familiar enough with documents of that
kind to know what that conveys. There is a large block of stock
there in the name of one individual, which means that that stock
had not been definitely allotted or placed.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The stock was paid for, was it not, when this
voting trust agreement was signed and the company was launched?
Mr. DAVISON. Undoubtedly.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who were these promoters against whom these
young men whose names I have given you were trying to protect
themselves, of whom they were so fearful ?
Mr. DAVISON. DO you think that is a fair question?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Would you prefer not to state ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it would be a little unfortunate to name the
individuals here, whose names, however, have become very notorious.
At the same time I am on the stand
Mr. UNTERMYER. If you have any objection, we will pass it.
Mr. DAVISON. I have no objection except out of regard for the
names. I will be very glad to name them to the committee privately.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When did this fear disappear, Mr. Davison ?
Mr. DAVISON. Just as soon as the voting trust was created.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And when the voting trust expired five years
later, did the fear revive ?
Mr. DAVISON. It did not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And when

the voting trust expired again, did
the fear revive?
Mr. DAVISON. My recollection is that the voting trust did not expire again, but it was renewed.
Mr. UNTERMYEK. It wa« not renewed for a second time on the
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Mr. DAVISON. None whatever.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The first renewal was on the expiration of the
first voting trust ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. March 18, 1908 ?
Mr. DAVISON. That is right.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Then there was

another voting trust March 9,
1912, for another five years?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; that is r i g h t
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who selected the first voting trustees?
Mr. DAVISON. Those who organized the company; that is my recollection. The stockholders; the board.
Mr. UNTERMYEK. YOU were selected as one? Who selected Mr.
Perkins?
Mr. DAVISON. The same ones who selected me.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Was there any one person who was more distinctive and more prominent in the organization of this company than
another?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say n o t
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who selected Mr. Eeid as a voting trustee?
Mr. DAVISON. The same ones who selected the other two.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And he has continued voting trustee down to the
present time?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; he has.
Mr. UNTERMYER. With your
Mr. DAVISON. Entirely.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When the

consent?

voting trust was renewed in March,
1912, who put Mr. Case in in substitution of Mr. Perkins?
Mr. DAVISON. The matter was discussed by the members of the
executive committee of the Bankers' Trust Co. I do not recall that it
was taken up by the board; but the name of Mr. Case was suggested
by the executive committee.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was it your suggestion ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall. I t may have been.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Mr. Case was then, or his firm was then, as they
have been since, counsel for the company, were they not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Has Mr.

Case an interest in the company, a substantial interest?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know how much of an interest.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What was the reason for continuing that voting
trust in March, 1912, if there was any reason whatever for keeping
the stockholders out of their voting rights ?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, I am not sure that there was any reason—any
reason that might be regarded as good and sufficient; I suppose the
reason was it had been very popular, apparently, and there had never
been any question about it; there was 100 per cent of the stock in,
and everything had gone on very well, and in view of that, we
thought we might as well continue it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you, in any of your statements to the public
in which you solicited deposts, give notice to the public or to depositors that "the directors of this trust company were being named by
three voting trustees; that all of the affairs of the company, as far



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as concerned its ultimate control or management, were under the direction of three trustees ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO: we did not. Mr. Untermyer. and for two reasons.
One was that the voting trust of the Bankers* Trust Co. was never
regarded by it as an important factor.
Mr. UNTEKSIYER. Why do you not dissolve it ?
Mr. DAVISON. SO far as I am concerned, I would be perfectly willing to dissolve it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you willing to do that now, as to both of
those trust companies?
Mr. DAVISON. I am perfectly willing to recommend it, if there is
no particular reason for not doing so. I do not think they are serving
any good purpose.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us see about that.
Mr. DAVISON. May I answer your question in this respect? The
voting trustees as such have never had any more to do with the control or management of the Bankers' Trust Co. or the Guaranty Trust
Co. than the Pujo committee.
Mr. UNTERMYER. We think the Pujo committee is having considerable to do with it.
Mr. DAVISON. I said " has had." Mine was entirely in the past. I
am not predicting.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. Of course, you understand that under the terms
of these voting agreements they can be dissolved by two of the three
voting trustees at any time?
Mr. DAVISON. I do understand it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And you have no doubt about Mr. Case's vote in
the Bankers' Trust if you want it dissolved?
Mr. DAVISON. I have great respect for Mr. Case's judgment. I
have not put the question to him as to whether he would vote to
dissolve it or not.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. And as to Mr. Keid?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not discussed the matter with him.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. In the Guarantv Trust your associates, voting
trustees, are George F. Baker and Mr. Porter, are they not ?
Mr. DAVISON. They are.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you any doubt about their consenting, if it
is your judgment that it should be dissolved?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, Mr. Untermyer, you are putting this rather
suddenly to say that I am going to recommend
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is not quite fair to say that this is being put
suddenly, is it?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes: it is quite fair. I am quite aware of the prominence that this question of voting trusts has had in your mind, and
that you would recommend that they be dissolved.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NOW will you not let us get on with this inquiry ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think we are getting on pretty rapidly.
Mr. UNTERMYER. If we had your consent to disband these two voting trusts, I think we would be making some progress.
Mr. DAVISON. I will make this statement—that, so far a? I see. the
voting trusts are to-day serving no purpose, and my belief is that on
mature consideration I would recommend that the voting trusts of
both the Bankers' Trust and the Guaranty Trust Co. be dissolved.
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Mr. UXTERMYER. Can you conceive of a useful purpose or just
purpose or proper purpose that could ever be served by a voting trust
of a financial institution enjoying a public charter?
Mr. DAVISOX. Well, " could ever be served " is a pretty broad question.
Mr. UXTERMYER. Yes; and what is your answer?
Mr. DAVISOX. My answer is that I can conceive of their serving a
purpose; yes; and I can conceive of their serving a particular purpose under circumstances that might exist. Of course, it would
depend upon the character of legislation that is had.
Mr. UXTEEMYER. Suppose a body of men wanted to form an independent financial institution and keep it out of the control, we will
say, of Morgan & Co. Then, you think a voting trust would serve a
useful purpose ?
Mr. DAVISON. If they were
Mr. UXTERMYER. If they wanted to be independent of their domination.
Mr. DAVISON. That was the purpose of that voting trust of the
Bankers' Trust Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us see about that. Was there any power in
New York—or in America—at that time in the financial world more
dominant than Morgan & Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. That is a pretty large question, also.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was there any financial power, any banking
house, more powerful than Morgan & Co. in the United States at that
time?
Mr. DAVISOX. I assume that it was the strongest financial house
in the United States at that time; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And this body of men, these directors together,
represented the strongest and most important financial elements in
the community?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; they did not. They were individuals. If you
will look at the facts just as they were, I would still go back to say
that they were young men; the men who were active in this organization were young men who had their reputations to make in New York.
They organized this institution and directed it in that way. Morgan
& Co. were not in any way important in the organization of the company. Mr. Perkins was a member of the firm of Morgan & Co., but
it was Mr. Perkins and not Morgan that was in that.
Mr. UXTERMYER. Do you adhere to the statement that these were
young men who had their way to make in the world ?
Mr. DAVISON. I adhere to the statement that the men who were
n.ctive in the organization were
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am talking about the board of directors.
Mr. DAVISON. I am talking about the men who organized it.
Mr. UXTERMYER. I am asking you whether in your judgment there
was in the city of New York any body of men of that number quite
as powerful financially, in the financial world, as that body, in numbers, man for man ?
Mr. DAVISOX. After it became completed, we thought it was about
the best that could be put together.
Mr. UXTERMYER. The most powerful?
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Mr. UNTERMYER. Then, that being so, under such conditions could
there be any earthly useful purpose served by a voting trust of a
financial institution that put forth to the country certain men, certain
directors, when in fact they were being named year by year by three
men whose names and power were not disclosed ?
Mr. DAVISON. That itself is not a correct statement as to fact. The
voting trust never named that board of directors.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. IS it not a fact that the voting trust had the power
to do it?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes,
Mr. UNTERMYER.

sir.

That fact you do think ought to have been

made public?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not sure that it was not made public.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Do you not know it was not made public ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not. You put that question before.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know whether it was or not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know whether it was or not; but I know
positively that that voting trust of the Guaranty Trust Co. was
very broadly advertised at that time.
Mr. UNTERMYER. It was never advertised in any of its statements
of resources, statements that a depositor would see ?
Mr. DAVISON. That I do not recall. I should suppose not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I think we may pass that question on your statement that you will use your influence to get rid of these voting trusts.
Mr. DAVISON. I beg your pardon; I do not think I have committed
myself quite that far.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW far have you gone ?
Mr. DAVISON. I say that so far as my present judgment is concerned I see no particular advantage to either one of those institutions in the voting trust.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is not it
Mr. DAVISON. And I believe upon mature consideration that I will
recommend, so far as my vote goes, that those voting trusts be dissolved ; but I do not say definitely that I will.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have hedged it considerably, Mr. Davison.
Mr. DAVISON. That is what I have said every time.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I want to know whether you are prepared to
recommend the dissolution of those voting trusts.
Mr. DAVISON. I will answer you that I am not prepared to recommend the dissolution of those voting trusts, but I will qualify it by
saying that I rather think I may, which is all I have said at any time.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The Southern Railway is operating under a voting trust, is it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not understand that it was. I know very little
about the Southern Eailway. I thought that voting trust had
expired.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; it has

not.

Mr. DAVISON. I thought it had.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; it has not. Are not Morgan & Co. the fiscal
agents of the Southern Railway?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think we are, officially. "We are in fact.
Mr. UXTERMYER. Do you remember whether you are officially?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think we are.
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Mr. DAVISON. NO; I think not. I think we handle practically all
of their securities.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is what I mean when I say you do all their
financial business. I do not mean to ask whether you pay their bills,
but what I am trying to find out is whether you are their bankers and
whether they have done all their issue and negotiation of securities
through you ?
Mr. DAVISON. Practically, they have, as I understand it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you remember who the voting trustees are?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; I hardly do, in view of the fact that I did not
remember whether there was a voting trust.
Mr. UNTERMYER. This voting trust was established in 1894. The
evidence shows that the trustees at that time were J. P. Morgan,
George F. Baker, and Charles Lanier. Do you not know the securities that are dealt in are the voting-trust certificates, and that no
stock is listed on the exchange ?
Mr. DAVISON. I must insist I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who is there in the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co.
who knows anything about the Southern Railway?
Mr. DAVISON. I should sav that Mr. Steele is the best informed as
to that.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. Who else is there? Mr. Steele is ill?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; he is ill.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And he is not available here
Mr. DAVISON. NO; he is not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I assumed that you knew.

as a witness?

Who is there who
knows about this Southern Railway situation ?
Mr. DAVISON. If you will ask some questions I will try to answer
them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I have been asking them for some little time, and
you have told me that you do not know. Now, you say you do not
know whether the voting trust has been terminated or whether the
voting-trust certificates are being dealt in on the stock exchange and
listed or whether the stock is dealt in or listed. Am I right about
that?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU are entirely right about that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know anything about the financial condition of the Southern Railway?
Mr. DAVISON. I think I do, in a general way.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you know the conditions under which the
voting trust was created ?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not.
Mr. LINDABURY. Mr. Untermyer,

I think you asked me to produce
that. We have got it here.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In this connection I would like to have marked
in evidence the voting-trust agreement of October 15, 1894, an agreement with the voting trustees of the 27th of August, 1902, and the
application to the committee on stock list of the New York Stock
Exchange of October 6, 1902.
The papers referred to were marked, respectively, in the order in
which thev were named, " Exhibit 221,' January 23, 1912," " Exhibit
222, January 23, 1913," and " Exhibit 223, January 23, 1913," and
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Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you recall that the voting trust of the Southern Railway was created incident to the reorganization of that company under the management of J. P. Morgan & Co. as syndicate
managers ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am sorry; I do not know about that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Referring to voting-trust agreements and their
efficacy, does it not occur to you that 19 years is a long time for a
property to be under a voting trust ?
Mr. DAVISON. I should think that depended very largely upon the
result of the operation of the property.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not think that when stockholders have
been out of their right to vote for 19 years it is about time they
recovered it?
Mr. DAVISON. I should think so, decidedly, if the stockholders
thought so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know, do vou not, that the stock in this
corporation is very widely scattered ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I do.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And have

you had some experience with the
inertia of stockholders in the protection of their rights?
Mr. DAVISON. Not to any extent.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In all your financial experience have you ever
known of the stockholders of any great corporation banding together
and overturning the management, no matter whether it was good,
bad, or indifferent ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. I think there have been many instances.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I wish you would name any railroad corporation
in the history of this country in which the stockholders have overturned the management.
Mr. DAVISON. I am not prepared to name them, because I do not
recall one. I do not know of such a case, but I should be surprised
if there had not been some such cases.
Mr. UNTERMYER. We are not interested in your surprise. What we
are trying to get is the facts.
Can you recall any instance in the history of any great interstate
industrial corporation of, we will say, $10,000,000 or more in capital,
in which the stockholders have ever changed the management ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think it gets to the stockholders, Mr. Untermyer.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I do not think you understand my question.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I think I do. You asked me if I could recall
one?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes: certainly.
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know that I can recall one.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Lindabury calls my attention to the controversy between Mr. Harriman and Mr. Stuyvesant Fish over the Illinois Central. You are familiar with that fight, are you not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; in a general way.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Harriman was in all the time, was he not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think the result showed that he was in pretty much
all the time.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He was in all the time, and when Mr. Fish did
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Fish. In other words, that was not a case of the stockholders turning out one management and putting in another ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think that was largely a question of getting
proxies.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. The stockholders

never complain of good management, and bad management is controlled by the board of directors.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW are the stockholders ever to know whether
the management is good or honest or efficient until they have changed
it and found out what has been going on ?
Mr. DAVISON. They are to know from the results as shown by the
statements.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Then, they are to judge entirely by results?
Judging by results, are you aware that the Southern Kailway stockholders, the common stockholders and preferred stockholders, paid
an assessment in order to get this stock in 1894 under the reorganization ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am aware that if there had been any question on
the matter of the management
Mr. UNTEKMYEH. Will you not answer my question ?
Mr. DAVISON (continuing). You would have heard from the stockholders.
The question was repeated by the stenographer.
Mr. DAVISON. I am not familiar with the details of the reorganization, but if you have it shown there
Mr. UNTERMYBR. Have they ever had a dividend since then on
either class of stock ?
Mr. DAVISON. I object to that question, because if that question
and not my answer goes in the record—you know they have had a
dividend.
Mr. UNTERMYKR. Since 1894?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes,

sir.

Mr. UNTERMYER. On the common stock.
Mr. DAVISON. YOU did not ask on the common stock.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. That is the reason I am asking it now.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I see. I do not think a dividend has been paid
upon the common stock.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know what the assessment was that thej'
paid on getting that common stock 19 years ago ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. During

all that time have Messrs. Morgan,
Baker, and Lanier remained the voting trustees?
Mr. DAVISON. From your statement, I assume they have.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are J. P. Morgan & Co. also the bankers for
the Atlantic Coast Line ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you not issued securities for them ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have they done any financing in the last

years except through your firm ?
Mr. DAVISON. Who; the Atlantic Coast Line?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.



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Mr. DAVISON. I am not interested in that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Since you have been with Morgan & Co. havo
they done any except through your firm?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not able to answer that. I would not be at all
surprised if they have.
Mr. UNTERMYER. There you are again. We are not at all concerned with the question of whether you would be surprised, Mr.
Davison.
Mr. DAVISON. Then I will say that in my judgment they may have.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That does not answer the question at all. Many
things have been done. Do you know whether they have or not?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. During that time, however. Morgan & Co. have
financed a number of note and bond issues for them, have you not?
Mr. DAVISON. We have. You have a statement issued by us.
Mr. UNTERMTER- Yes. I call your attention to six such issues. Is
that right?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Beginning

in September, 1902, and the last one
being April 6,1911. Have you a copy of this before you?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Were

the last two of these issues, one of
$4,500,000 consolidated fours in 1909, and the other $3,000,000 of
unified fours, April, 1911, done by your firm alone or in joint account?
Mr. DAVISON. We had associated with us in both those transactions the First National Bank and the National City Bank of New
York.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Prior to that time the other four issues since
1902, including one of $35,000,000, you had done alone, had you not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMTER. The

Atlantic Coast Line is a competing line of
the Southern Railway, is it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I understand it is, in some degree.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know that it is in a very essential
degree? It is its principal competitor? The Atlantic Coast Line
and the Seaboard Air Line and the Southern Railway are competitors?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I understand they are.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know that they are ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I know that they are." They are not at all
points. That was the reason for my qualification.
Mr. UNTERMTER. YOU mean that over the thousands of miles that
they travel they do not compete on every town and wayside inn; is
that what you mean?
Mr. DAVISON. AS you like.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But when I ask you whether they are competitor?, you know what I mean, do you not!
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.

Mr. UNTERMYER. And you say they are substantial competitors?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS

the Louisville & Nashville a competitor of the
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Mr. DAVISON. I am sorry that I am not entirely familiar with that
Southern situation; but I assume that they are. My understanding
is that they are.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And they were also competitors of the Atlantic
Coast Line prior to the purchase?
Mr. DAVISON. That I can not testify to.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do not remember as to that?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU

remember the occasion of that purchase by
J. P. Morgan & Co. of Louisville & Nashville stock, do you not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I do.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you remember in what year it was?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I do not recall.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. 1907, was it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it was prior to that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was the First National Bank a member

of the
syndicate that made that purchase at the time you were with the
First National?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall; I do not think so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU remember, though, do you not, the fact that
J. P. Morgan & Co. purchased that stock after Gates and his associates had gotten control?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I do.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And you

remember their turning it over to the
Atlantic Coast Line ?
Mr. DAVISON. Generally speaking, I remember it; yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does it occur to you it was a proper or legitimate
thing for the firm, being in the relation in which they stood to the
Southern Eailway, and that being under a holding trust of which
Mr. Morgan and Mr. Baker were two of the members, that they
should be buying a competing line and turning it over to a third
competitor ?
Mr. DAVISON. I see no impropriety in that transaction.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Not the slightest
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us see about

that. Suppose you were a trustee for a railroad. Do you think you would have a right to be supporting and strengthening its competitor, or to assist in doing so?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it would be a very wise thing to do.
Mr. UNTERMYER. TO strengthen a competitor?
Mr. DAVISON. I should think so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS that the principle on which your firm is

doing
business now?
Mr. DAVISON. Very frequently.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is, strengthening your competitors?
Mr. DAVISON. Very frequently; or endeavoring to.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Endeavoring to strengthen you competitors ?
Mr. DAVISON. Very frequently.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS that what you call community interest?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I would not call it community interest.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Cooperation?



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Mr. DAVISON. XO; I would not call it that.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. IS that what you would call competition—to
strengthen your competitor?
Mr. DAVISON. XO ; I would not call it competition.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. It weakens, in the proportion in which you
strengthen that competitor, the competitive power of the interests
you are supposed to protect ?
Mr. DAVISON. Quite the reverse.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. YOU think it strengthens both, do you?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it strengthens both.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. SO that you would see no impropriety, would you.
in J. P. Morgan & Co. acting for all competing railroads of the
United States and strengthening one and weakening another at any
point that its judgment dictated!
Mr. DAVISON. That is quite a different question in subject than the
one we are on. I did not say anything about weakening any of them,
and, furthermore, it is a pretty large assumption to assume that J. P.
Morgan & Co. were in control of all the railroads of the United
States.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. I suppose that the soundness of your proposition, which is rather surprising to me, may be fairly tested by an
assumed, case?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.

Mr. UNTEBMYER. And I am assuming that J. P. Morgan & Co. have
succeeded up to date in getting all their competitors under their roof.
Now, in all the railroad competition in the country, in that event
Mr. DAVISON. I object to that assumption, Mr. Untermyer.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. Would you consider it a consistent position for
them to occupy ?
Mr. DAVISON. In the first place, I object to that asumption.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. YOU understand my assumption is not claimed to
be based on facts ? It is an assumption.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, I do not think it is fair for you to make that
assumption in public. It is not true.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. It is pretty nearly true.
Mr. DAVISON. Xot anywhere near true.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. Let us see. Eegardless of assumptions, would
you consider it the proper thing for J. P. Morgan & Co. to assume to
represent, we will say. all three of the competing railroads of the
South, the Seaboard, the Atlantic Coast Line, and the Southern Kailway?
Mr. DAVISON. I would, most decidedly.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU would?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTEHMTEH. YOU think it could do justice to all of them?
Mr. DAVISON. I think so, most decidedly.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And you would consider it entirely proper

that
it should rest with them to say when one should extend and when
another should not extend, or to furnish or withhold the money for
that purpose?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think it is proper for anybody to have that
control, so as to say when one should extend and another should not.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. Applying that same rule to other industrial business : Is it your judgment that there is no inconsistency, and would




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be no inconsistency, in J. P. Morgan & Co. directing the policy, acting
as bankers, for any two or more competing industrial concerns ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think that is quite a different question.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think that railroads stand on a different
basis from industrials ?
Mr. DAVISON. They do.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I see. Well, being a different question, will you
answer it?
Mr. DAVISON. I would like to have the question repeated.
The stenographer repeated the question, as follows:
Is it your judgment that there is no inconsistency, and would be no Inconsistency, in J. P. Morgan & Co. directing the policy, acting as bankers, for any
two or more competing industrial concerns?

Mr. DAVISON. I can conceive that there might be an inconsistency
in that, and I can also conceive of conditions where it might be beneficial and wise. I think that is a question that any individuals
would have to determine as the case came up.
Mr. UNTERSIYER. That is the best answer you can make, is it?
Mr. DAVISON. That is the best answer I can make.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When J. P. Morgan & Co. represent a parent
concern like the United States Steel Corporation, and there is any
financing to be done by a subsidiary of those companies, does it do
the financing or does it direct that in some other quarter?
Mr. DAVISON. Generally speaking, I think it does not do the financing. The firm, since my connection with it, the records show,
have done very little financing with subsidiary companies.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But where a subsidiary company requires financing, dees the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co. do the financing itself, or
does it turn it over to somebody else ?
Mr. DAVISON. It does not do the turning of it over. That is in the
hands of the finance committee, and maybe in the hands of the treasurer, and I am not familiar with the organization of the subsidiary
companies. As we show here, we have handled some of the securities of some of the subsidiaries.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Most of them you have turned over, like the Illinois Steel and the Indiana Steel?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean by turning over ?
Mr. UNTEKMYER. I mean directed the business in other quarters.
Mr. DAVISON. XO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you sure about that"?
Mr. DAVISON. Absolutely sure.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you done it yourself?
Mr. DAVISON. I think I have answered your

question. In some
cases; not to any large extent.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know that the directors of the subsidiaries of the Steel Corporation are named by the parent company?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not know that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know who names them?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not. I am not familiar with the organization
of the subsidiary companies at all.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU are a director in the Steel Corporation, are
you not?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not.
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Mr. UNTERMYEK. Which of the members of your firm are?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Morgan, sr., Mr. Morgan, jr., and Mr. Steele.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you not familiar with the conduct of the
affairs of the Steel Corporation ?
Mr. DAVISON. Only in a general "way. I am not at all familiar
with the conduct of the affairs of the subsidiaries.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But of the parent company you are ?
Mr. DAVISON. In a general way.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know that the parent company owns about
99 per cent of all the stock of the subsidiary companies, do you not?
Mr. DAVISON. I assume that is true.
Mr. UNTERMYER. You know that that involves effective control of
the subsidiaries?
Mr. DAVISON. I suppose the control is practically complete.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do not assume, then, that the subsidiaries
act independently of the parent company, do you ?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, they might act quite independently.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But is it possible that that would be the policy,
to have them act independently, or would it be to have them act
under responsibility to and subject to the approval of the parent
company ?
Mr. DAVISON. One would suppose they would act subject to the
approval of the parent company, but I can not testify that they do,
because I do not know.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. DO you not know that under the terms of the
agreement between the Steel Corporation and J. P. Morgan & Co.,
J. P. Morgan & Co. absolutely control the question of financing the
Steel Corporation?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Then

do you consider it entirely proper, Mr.
Davison, for J. P. Morgan & Co. to finance competitors of the Steel
Corporation ?
Mr. DAVISON. Oh, yes; I would consider it entirely proper.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They have done so, have they not?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall that they have.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do not? Well, have you not done so recently ?
Mr. DAVISON. If you have something in mind and will suggest it
I will answer it. I do not recall that they have financed any competitor of the Steel Corporation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They had nothing to do with the financing of
any competitor of the Steel Corporation ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall any. If you have any in mind, I will
tell you.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW about the Republic Iron & Steel Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. SO far as I know, we have had no interest whatever
in the financing.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know they have been financed?
Mr. DAVISON. I know they have been financed.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who did it?
Mr. DAVISON. What form of financing ?
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Mr. DAVISON. I am not familiar with it, but my impression is that
Blair & Co. have acted as the important bankers of the Eepublic
Iron & Steel.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. You are not acquainted with any financing of
the Republic Iron & Steel in which you were interested ?
Mr. DAVISON. I know we were not interested in anyfinancingof the"
Eepublic Iron & Steel.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In any way ?
Mr. DAVISON. In any way.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Then you do

not consider it proper to finance
any competitors of the Steel Corporation ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I would consider it proper; highly proper.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But you have done none of its
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall that we have. I would say no, but
I am not sure. My judgment is that we have done none of it; but
there was no objection.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you discuss with Blair & Co. the subject of
financing the Republic Iron & Steel?
Mr. DAVISON. We never discussed it with them or anybody else.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know what the character of the financing
was?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you not loaned them money?
Mr. DAVISON. The Republic?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. NO. I have stated that we have done nothing

with
that, or the financing of that, so far as my knowledge goes. May I
ask my partner? I want to be positive about that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Why, certainly.
Mr. DAVISON (after consultation). We have never done any.
The CHAIRMAN. The committee will be in recess until 2 o'clock.
At 1 o'clock p. m. a recess was taken until 2 o'clock p. m.
AFTER RECESS.

The subcommittee met pursuant to adjournment.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I want to read into the record in this hearing in
connection with the Southern Railway Co. a letter from J. P. Morgan & Co. to William H. Granbury, the chairman of the committee
on stock list of the New York Stock Exchange, dated March 19,1903,
to be marked "Exhibit No. 224," excluding the lead-pencil marks
on the face of the exhibit.
The letter referred to was marked " Exhibit No. 224, January 23,
1913," and will be found printed in full in the record following
volume 25.
Extracts from minutes of the committee on stock list were marked
" Exhibit 225, January 23, 1913," and will be found prbted in the
record following volume 25.
An extract from communication of the agents of the voting trustees
of the Southern Railway to the committee on stock list of the New
York Stock Exchange was marked " Exhibit 226, January 23, 1913,"
and is as follows:
It is proper that we should call the attention of your committee to the fact
that while so far as we are aware there is no dissent on the part of any trust




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certificate holder from the proposed extension, many holders are deterred from
having their certificates stamped or otherwise assenting to the extension for
fear that by so doing their certificates will be debarred from quotation on the
New Xork Stock Exchange. We would therefore respectfully urge upon your
committee the desirability of prompt action upon this application.

TESTIMONY OF H. P. DAVISON—Continued.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In connection with this extension of the voting
trust of the Southern Railway in October, 1902, and the proven fact
of these exhibits shown by letter of J. P. Morgan & Co. of March
19, 1903, that there were 1,615,062 shares of stock that had assented
to the extension of the voting trust, out of a total outstanding issue
of 1,799,000 shares, will you tell us what is the effect of taking off
the list a railway security of this character, on its loanability value
and its salability?
Mr. DAVISON. Will you pardon me before I answer that
Mr. UNTERMYER. Certainly.
Mr. DAVISON. TO make a statement in regard to the Southern
Eailway Co., which was touched upon this morning.
Mr. UNTEHMTER. Certainly.
Mr. DAVISON. My information is, which I have received during
the recess, that no assessment was ever made upon the common stock
of the Southern Railway. I think that is rather important. No
cash assessment was ever made—
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU mean that in the process of reorganization
the reorganization plan did not provide for any assessment of the
stock?
Mr. DAVISON. Neither then nor at any other time, and none waa
ever paid.
Mr. UNTEHMYEB. Have you here a copy of the plan ?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Well, do you know to what extent the old security holders received new securities?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not, and, as I said this morning, I am not at
all familiar with this Southern Railway situation.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. DO you know whether they received in the reorganization a small fraction or a large proportion of their original
holdings?
Mr. DAVISON. I know nothing about that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you supply to the committee the plan from
which the facts can be accurately known?
Mr. DAVISON. I would be very glad to do so.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Will you now proceed to answer my question as
to the effect of the striking of a security of that kind off the list?
Mr. DAVISON. 1 am afraid I will disappoint you. I am not at all
familiar with the transaction or with that character of transaction.
I have never had to do with it and I know nothing about it. I am
not familiar with the details of the Stock Exchange, or how they
are stricken from the list.
Mr. UNTERMYER. We do not seem to be able to find any banker
in New York who knows anything about the Stock Exchange.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, they are pretty busy with their own business.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. Let me ask you, in that connection, how many
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Mr. DAVISON. I was in the Liberty Bank eight years.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And in the First National, how long?
Mr. DAVISON. Seven years.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was the First National Bank a considerable
loaner of money on the stock exchange?
Mr. DAVISON. A very large loaner of money at times.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And the Liberty Bank was a loaner at times ?
Mr. DAVISON. At times.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. While you were president?
Mr. DAVIDSON. While I was president.
Mr. UNTERMTER. I n lending on the stock exchange on stock-exchange collateral would an officer of the bank generally be required
to have a sort of a knowledge of the fact of whether a security is hurt
or helped by being stricken from the list?
Mr. DAVISON. NO : not at all necessarily so; no.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Your loans on the stock exchange were made only
on stock-exchange collateral, were they not?
Mr. DAVISON. NO : not altogether.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Principally?

Mr. DAVISON. Principally; yes.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Your loans at the stock-exchange stand are made
entirely on stock-exchange collateral?
Mr. DAVISON. I think not. The loan may be made in the stock
exchange, and I think the bank could require that none but listed
securities be put in as collateral.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is the rule with respect to a loan made in
the stock exchange, on the floor of the exchange, from the loan stand,
is it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think it is the practice. Whether it is the
rule or not, I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMTER. At any rate, I understand you to tell the committee that you do not know whether the striking of a security from
the list affects its loanable value?
Mr. DAVISOX. I beg your pardon: I did not say that I did not know
whether it affects its loanable value.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Does it affect its value ?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say it would depend altogether on circum*
stances.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Does it affect its value as collateral?
Mr. DAVISON. Very largely the value of collateral depends upon
its market ability.
Mr. UNTERMTER. Does its market ability depend at all on the fact
of whether it is listed on the stock exchange?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say that it does depend -" at a l l " on it;
yes. I do not think it is dependent entirely on it.
Mr. UNTERMTER. What is the use of a listing?
Mr. DAVISOX. I think there are very many advantages in the listing
of a stock.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What are they?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not believe you wanted to go into that field,
because I am not familiar with it' generally, but I should say one
is the point you want to make: that it makes it more marketable,
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Mr. UNTERMYER. And another is that it makes it more available
as collateral?
Mr. DAVISON. That necessarily follows.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not realize, Mr. Davison, that when
J. P. Morgan & Co. made application to list the voting-trust certificates and subsequently the old certificates were stricken from the
list it affected the marketability and the loanability of the old certificates ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not care to express an opinion upon that, Mr.
Untermyer, because I know nothing about the circumstances. I
do know that if any transaction was done at the request of J. P.
Morgan & Co. the minority holders were protected, if they could
protect them, because that is the policy of the house. That I know,
and that is all I know.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. That you know back in 1903, although you did
not come into association with them until 1909?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes: I know that back for oo years, which is 10
years older than I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know that back 10 years before you were
born?
Mr. DAVISON. I do.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I see. Why not go a little further?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, that was the beginning of the house.

That is
the reason.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In other words, you know that J. P. Morgan &
Co. could do no wrong?
Mr. DAVISON. I know that J. P. Morgan & Co. could do no wrong
if their endeavors and the circumstances permitted them to do as
they wanted to do.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us take this concrete case. There were
174,000 shares of stock—voting-trust certificates representing stock—
that appear from these papers -which are in evidence, if I read
rightly, to .have been stricken from the list because they had not come
in and consented to extend indefinitely this voting trust and to surrender indefinitely their right to vote in this company. Will you
be good enough to tell me what good and sufficient reason there
possibly could have been for disfranchising that stock because it
would not consent to extend the power of these voting trustees and
to resign its right to vote in the company ?
Mr. DAVISON. I will not speculate on that question, because I do
not know anything about it. I do not know the circumstances.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But you know that there could not have been
anything wrong about it?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not say that, and I do not know that. I said
there would not have been anything wrong if J. P. Morgan & Co.
could have forestalled it and prevented it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. It looks wrong, does it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Xot without knowing the facts.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I mean upon the facts stated that looks wrong,
does it not %
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think the facts have been stated.
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Mr. DAVISON. I do not know any other facts that have not been
stated.
Mr. UNTEHMTEB. What other facts do you think have not been
stated?
Mr. DAVISON. A great many facts undoubtedly existed bearing
upon that situation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What are they? The papers are all in evidence—the application and the letter of J. P. Morgan & Co. What
fact is there bearing upon that situation that you think justified you
in saying that you do not think the facts have been stated?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think that the facts in a subject of that
kind can all be stated here. I do not know what they were.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. .Can you conceive of any situation or circumstances under which it would be proper or permissible to strike off the
list shares representing 174,000 shares because they had not consented
to resign to the voting trustees their rights as stockholders on an
extension of the voting trust ?
Mr. DAVISON. Are you correct in your number of shares? I
thought you said 59,000 shares. However, I do not care to answer
the question, because I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us see if I am correct, because here is the
letter from J. P. Morgan & Co. Have you looked at it ?
Mr. DAVISON. If you have stated it as it is stated there, you are
correct.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Figure it yourself. You recognize that letter,
do you not ?
Mr. DAVISON (after examining letter). I do. That is, I recognize
the signature.
Mr. UNTERMYER. J. P. Morgan?
Mr. DAVISON. J. P. Morgan & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is dated March, 1903, is it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. March 19, 1903.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you be good enough to look at this history
of the case from which I read that has been furnished by the New
York Stock Exchange? This is Exhibit No. 225, January 23, 1913.
From it I read as follows, as to listing of extending voting trust
certificates:
On September 15, 1902, Mr. Charles Steele appeared before the committee on
stock list in the matter of proposed extension of trust and listing of extension
certificates.

Mr. Steele is Mr. Charles Steele, a member of yourfirm?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER (reading):
The minutes of the committee on stock list show appearance of Mr. Steele
in support of the application. Mr. Steele appeared again September 17, 1902.
The application was considered. Mr. Steele appeared again September 29,
1902, in the matter of application; again October 6, 1912, in the matter of the
application. The committee voted to report the application to the governing
committee without recommendation. The extended voting trust certificates
were listed by the governing committee October 2, 1902. The original voting
trust certificates remained on the list until March 31. 1903. Letter of J. P.
Morgan & Co., March 19, 1903. states assent to extension, preferred 540,095
shares out of 600,000 shares.



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That leaves 59,905 shares of preferred %
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTEBMTEB. Common,

1,073,967 shares out of 1,199,000 shares,
which leaves 125,033 shares.
Mr. DAVISON. Excuse me; as a matter of information may I ask
what percentage of preferred and common stock were outstanding?
Mr. UNTEBMTEB. I have stated how much was outstanding; 59,000
and odd shares out of 600,000 shares, which is nearly 10 per cent,
and 125,000 and odd out of 1,199,000 shares, which is about 11 per
cent.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTEBMTEB. That is
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. Ten

a substantial holding, is it not ?
per cent is a substantial holding in any

corporation.
Mr. UNTEEMTEE. YOU understand that people buy those securities
when they are listed, on the faith of the fact that they are listed
and that they are marketable and good as collateral, do you not?
That helps in securing a market for them?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say that that might be a factor in their
consideration of a purchase.
Mr. UNTEBMTEB. YOU do not think it is an important factor ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think it is a governing factor.
Mr. UNTEBMTEB. In other words, you think that people would be
just as likely to buy securities that are not listed and not good as
collateral as though they were listed?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not said that. I did state that it was something of a factor, but I will also state that there are a great many
people who sleep a great deal better when they own securities that
are not listed.
Mr. UNTERMTEB. Then why do you list them?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not list them.
Mr. TJNTEBMYEB. TO deprive people of their sleep \
Mr. DAVISON. I do not list them.
Mr. UNTEEMTEB. But why do you apply to have them listed and
go before the committee and urge them to be listed ?
Mr. DAVISON. It is a very clear case. It is to the advantage of a
security to be listed.
Mr. UNTEFMTEB. TO its advantage?
Mr. DAVISON. Certainly it is.
Mr. UNTEBMTEB. Why do you say that people sleep better when
they are not listed?
Mr. DAVISON. Because then people do not see their stocks go down
overnight.
Mr. UNTEBMTEB. They never see them go up?
Mr. DAVISON. They never care whether they go up, if they get their
dividends.
Mr. UNTEBMTEB. SO that people who buy stocks do not care
whether they rise in value or not: is that your idea ?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not say that. I said they rest better.
Mr. UNTEEMTEE. They rest better when they go up ?
These voting trust certificates, the old certificates, were stricken off
the list following the letter of March 19. 1903, from J. P. Morgan
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Mr. DAVISON. I -will answer you, that I think it is a most defensible
thing. I do not know why the house did it, but if the house did it, it
is most defensible.
Mr. UNTEHMYEB. I have not said the house did it, but the stock exchange did it.
Mr. DAVISON. I know nothing about that thing; but you were
stating that the house applied to have it done.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO; I did not.
Mr. DAVISON. I beg your pardon; I
Mr. UNTERMYER. I have stated that

have seen that letter?

thought you did.
the house wrote a letter. You

Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And

I have said that 12 days after the house
wrote that letter, the governing committee of the stock exchange took
those old certificates off the list.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. With

that large number outstanding; and I ask
you, from your knowledge of banking, whether that is a defensible
thing to do ?
Mr. DAVISON. I decline to express an opinion upon that subject,
because I do not know the facts.
Mr. UNTERMYER. All right. You are a member of the Metropolitan Club in New York, are you not?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS Mr. Hine a member of that club ?
Mr. DAVISON. We do not control that, too, do we? Yes;

I think
he is. I have seen him there.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I would not be surprised if you did.
Mr. DAVISON. I would not be, either, if two of us belonged to it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Were you in the habit of having meetings on
Thursday afternoons at 4 o'clock at the Metropolitan Club with Mr.
Hine of the First National Bank, Mr. Strong of the Bankers' Trust,
and Mr. Sabin of the Guaranty Trust ?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, supposing
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you not answer my question ?
Mr. DAVISON. Supposing that were true, how would that bear upon
this inquiry ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you not answer my question ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think my question is a fair one. How does that
bear on this inquiry I
Mr. UNTERMYER. We will see in a minute.
Mr. DAVISON. DO you insist upon an answer to that question?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. Well. I was not.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. Then you had

no such meetings on Thursday
afternoons at 4 o'clock ?
Mr. DAVISON. I have answered; I had not.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. IS it or not the fact that on Thursday afternoons
at 4 o'clock there met at the Metropolian Club, weekly, for quite a
time, the representatives of half a dozen or more banks in New York,
and there discussed matters of business at those meetings?
Mr. DAVISON. Will you put that question again, please? [The
question was read by the stenographer.] How do you suppose I
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Mr. UNTERMYER. Can you answer it ? Do not ask me questions just
now. I am asking them of you.
Mr. DAVISON. DO you mean that you ask me whether representatives of a half a dozen banks in New York met at the Metropolitan
Club at 4 o'clock on Thursday afternoons ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Davison, I think you understand my question
perfectly.
Mr. DAVISON: I do; but I am not going to be responsible for what
other men did. I will answer that question. No; there never was
any such meeting in the world, so far as I know. I never attended
one and there was never any such meeting. There is no foundation
for the question.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is what I want to know.
Mr. DAVISON. I can not answer
Mr. UNTERMYER. My question is based upon information.
Mr. DAVISON. My answer is based upon very particular information, so far as I am concerned.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do not know of any such meetings I
Mr. DAVISON. Never.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; that answers it. The Illinois Steel Co., I
think vou said, is a subsidiary of the United States Steel Corporation? "
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did they finance a debenture issue in 1911 ?
Mr. DAVISON. They did. That is my recollection, that they did.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What was the amount issued ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it was ten millions.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was it not five millions ?
Mr. DAVISON. Five millions.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was that done by authority of the finance com-

mittee of the Steel Corporation?
Mr. DAVISON. I assume it was. I know nothing about it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That issue was financed by Kissel-Kinnicutt and
Lee, Higginson & Co., was it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. It was not, so far as I know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. By whom was itfinanced?
Mr. DAVISON. I think, Mr. Untermyer, we have made a statement
in regard to that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU are referring to a different issue. I have
before me the statement of Lee, Higginson & Co.. of the Illinois Steel
Co. Am I right about that? Was there a $5,000,000 issue in July,
1911?
Mr. LINDABURY. You do not mind Mr. Lamont speaking to Mr.
Davison about it?
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; I am not referring now to a $10,000,000 issue
of that company that was made through J. P. Morgan & Co. and the
First National Bank in June, 1911.
Mr. DAVISON. IS that under the United States Steel?
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; that is under Illinois Steel. That is not in
your statement at all.
Mr. DAVISON. Then I know nothing about it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am referring to an issue in July, 1911. of 4£
per cent debenture bonds due April 1, 1940, $5,000,000. Was that
a part of the $10,000,000 issue that was made by J. P. Morgan & Co.




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and the First National Bank, that was bought by Kissel-Kinnicutt
and Lee, Higginson & Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know, but if it were shown me
Mr. UNTERMYER. Here is Lee, Higginson & Co.'s statement [handing paper to witness].
Mr. DAVISON. I am sorry, Mr. Untermyer, but I do not know about
that. Will you tell me whether that is the date ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is approximately the date of the $10,000,000
issue made by you and the First National, and I think it is part of
the same issue."
. Mr. DAVISON. I should presume that a proper answer to that is
that we purchased $10,000,000 of the bonds of the Illinois Steel Co.,
and sold them to Lee, Higginson & Co. and associates.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU sold five million of them to Lee, Higginson
& Co. and associates?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know, but I assume if that is about the same
date, it is so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When you biiy bonds from the United States
Steel Corporation or its subsidiaries, with whom do you deal in fixing the price?
Mr. DAVISON. We deal with the sellers of the bonds.
Mr. UNTERMYER. With whom; Mr. Gary?
Mr. DAVISON. I have never conducted a transaction myself. I assume that the transaction would be with Judge Gary.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who conducts those transactions on behalf of
your firm?
Mr. DAVISON. Since I have been a member of the firm there have
been very few of those transactions conducted.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who conducts such as there have been? Here is
one of $10,000,000 in 1911, and I am going to call your attention to
some more. Which member of your firm conducts those transactions
on the part of the purchaser, when your house is the purchaser of
those bonds?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know. I presume Mr. Morgan, jr., conducted the transactions; I am not sure.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Here is another transaction, March 26, 1912.
Mr. DAVISON. Are you reading from Lee, Higginson & Co.'s report?
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am reading now from yours; the last transaction—the last one in the book. The United States Steel Corporation purchased from corporations fifteen millions ofi the Indiana
Steel Co.'s first fives, ten million of the National Tube Co.'sfirstfives,
five and a half millions of the Illinois Steel Co.'s 4 | debentures. Associates, First National and National City Bank. Who made that
transaction, amounting to over thirty millions, with the Steel Corporation ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not able to answer that for the reason that I
was out of the country at that time.
Mr. UNTERMYER. There is no doubt about the fact, is there, that
J. P. Morgan & Co. did buy that thirty million and odd dollars of
bonds from the steel company in 1912?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think there is the slightest doubt about it.
We rendered a statement to that effect.



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Mr. UNTERMYEB. What the committee is trying to find out is between whom that sort of trade was made; who fixed the price of the
bonds ?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU can assume that it was made with any partner
that best serves your purpose; I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. With whom was it conducted on the other side?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know; but undoubtedly with Judge Gary.
He is chairman of the finance committee, and I presume he would be
the man connected with the transaction.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. There was no competition for the bonds, was
there?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not familiar with that particular transaction.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you ever known of any competition with
J. P. Morgan & Co. for steel bonds purchased?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr, UNTEBMYEB. When?
Mr. DAVISON. I can not give you the date.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When?
Mr. DAVISON. TWO or three years ago.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What issue was that, made

two or three years
ago, for which there was competition with J. P. Morgan & Co.?
Please take your book and point it out.
Mr. DAVISON. Unfortunately I can not point it out from this book:
it is not in it. We did not get the bonds.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who got them?
Mr. DAVISON. William A. Read.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What bonds were they?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall the corporate title of them, but they
were bonds of subsidiary companies of the United States Steel Corporation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW large an issue?
Mr. DAVISON. I am guessing now, but I should think ten millions or
fifteen millions.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you not give us the details?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Furnish us with Ihe data.
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I have not the data.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU can furnish the data, can you not?
Mr. DAVISOX. I can get the data from Mr. Read. He will give it
to you.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Can you not get the data from the steel corporation?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know. We can not any better than you canMr. UNTERMYER. YOU can not any better than we can?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; not from the steel corporation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. J. P. Morgan & Co. have no more facilities for
getting data from the steel corporation than this committee.
Mr. DAVISON. NO man living can get the statistics that you have
got.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Will you not answer that question?
Mr. DAVISON. I have answered it. We have not as good facilities.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have not as good facilities as this committee
for getting data from the United States Steel Corporation?
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Mr. UNTERMYEB. HOW many members of the firm of J. P. Morgan
& Co. are there on the board of directors of the steel corporation %
Mr. DAVISON. Three, I think.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. HOW many are on the finance committee?
Mr. DAVISON. One.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Who is that?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Morgan, jr.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. AS to these issues

that were made in 1912 which
were bought by J. P. Morgan & Co., should you know whether there
was any competition?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, Judge Gary would know, and I think he is the
only man. I think it is very fair to assume that there was no competition for them.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Why not?
Mr. DAVISON. NOW, I am assuming.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. I think we had better not get into that realm. It
is a bad habit.
Mr. DAVISON. All right. I can not answer from definite knowledge because I was not here.
MP. UNTERMYEB. Are you assuming also with respect to the transactions with William A. Read & Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. But

you can not tell us the year 1
Mr. LiNDABtiRY. If the committee desires, I will give it.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. Just a moment.
Mr. DAVISON. I can not tell you just the year, but it is public
information. I can get it; I will swear to that.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. HOW do you know that nobody competed with
Messrs. Morgan or that the Messrs. Morgan offered to buy the bonds?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, I assume—but I am not allowed to assume. I
can not answer that without assuming, because I was not in the transaction myself; but I do know that the bonds went to W. A. Bead
&Co.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. DO you know whether or not J. P. Morgan & Co.
bid for them or offered to buy them ?
Mr. DAVISON. From my definite knowledge I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. DO you know who conducted the transaction with
Eead& Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. DO you

Messrs. Morgan & Co. ?

know whether they got them through

Mr. DAVISON. I do.

Mr. UNTEKMYEB. That you know ?
Mr. DAVISON. That I know.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. YOU say you do not know with whom they dealt!
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU were the bankers—your firm—for the United
States Steel Corporation?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; we were the fiscal agents.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. And you were bankers and fiscal agents for the
subsidiary companies?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. YOU



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Mr. DAVISON. Not so far as I know. We are not fiscal agents. I
do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. You are the bankers, are you not ?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU have a list. I think we may have the accounts
of three or four of their sub-idiaries: but not generally, no. You
did not ask. but I would like to say that Eead & Co. did not get those
bonds through J. P. Morgan & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW do you know that ?
Mr. DAVISON. I know that enough to make a statement.
Mr. UNTJEBMYER. HOW do you know it? I want to know where
you get your knowledge and information ?
Mr. DAVISON. Because I have told you that J. P. Morgan & Co.
did not get those bonds.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have also told us that you do not know
whether they ever wanted them or bid for them.
Mr. DAVISON. Who never wanted them?
Mr. UNTERMYER. J. P. Morgan & Co.
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; I did not tell you that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you not told us they never bid for them ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think I did tell you that I did not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NOW, then, not knowing whether they ever bid
for them or endeavored to get them, I want to know in what way
you have the knowledge as to how Bead got them.. Was it through
J. P. Morgan & Co. or not I
Mr. DAVISON. Because I know that if J. P. Morgan & Co. had purchased those bonds they would have handled them in a different way
and would not have sold them to Read & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The question was not whether J. P. Morgan &
Co. had purchased them. The question was whether J. P. Morgan
& Co.. acting for a subsidiary of the steel company, sold those bonds
to Read & Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. My answer is no; they did not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But you do not know who did sell them ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know. I do not even know the name of
the corporation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Nor the time of it?
Mr. DAVISON. Nor the time of it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. We will take up the next issue here. Illinois
Steel Co. debenture 4£ per cent bonds, April. 1912. I think that is
part of that same issue of March, by Kissell-Kinnicut and Lee,
Higrginson & Co. generally.
Mr. DAVISON. I think that is the same you referred to before.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I think that is another transaction.
Mr. DAVISON. There is no record of any other transaction here.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; there is one transaction: Illinois Steel
Co., $5,000,000 debenture four-and-one-halfs. bought by Kissell-Kmnicut and Lee, Higginson & Co., July 11, which is the one heretofore referred to.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. This

in another. April. 1912: Five and one-half
million Illinois Steel Co. 4i per cent debentures.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes: that is correct.
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Mr. DAVISON. They bought those from J. P . Morgan & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And J. P . Morgan & Co. had bought them from
the Illinois Steel Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. Undoubtedly.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And resold them?
Mr. DAVISON. And resold them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Immediately?

Mr.

DAVISON.

The date you give .there

Mr. UNTERMYER. I S April.

Mr. DAVISON. We purchased them on the 26th of March, 1912;
and they were resold, you say, April 11?
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; I think it says April 1 here. I t says April,
1912. How long after you bought them did you sell them ?
Mr. DAVISON. The difference between March 26 and the date you
have there.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I have not the date, except April, 1912.
Mr. DAVISON. Then you will have to assume a date.
Mr. UNTERMYER. OX course, I suppose, when you resold the bonds
you made a profit ?
Mr. DAVISON. I hope so.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. Having the relations you had with the United
States Steel Corporation, what occasion was there for buying those
bonds and selling them to Kissell-Kinnicut and Lee-Higginson
and making an intermediate profit, instead of selling them direct
for the Steel Corporation?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean by the relations that we had
with them, Mr. Untermyer?
Mr. UNTERMYER. I mean your relations with the Steel Corporation,
such as they are?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU refer to our being fiscal agents of the Steel
Corporation ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. N O ; I refer to the fact of your relations to that
company, Mr. Davison; for instance, the fact that you were responsible for its organization.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That

three of your partners were on the board,
that one was on the executive committee, and that you were the fiscal
agents for that company.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NOW,

having, in answer to your question, explained what I mean by the relations, I will ask you to answer the
question.
Mr. DAVISON. YOU state that our relations are those of fiscal
agents ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. Why should not they sell them to their
Mr. UNTERMYER. I ask you why you should not have

fiscal agents?
sold them directly for the company instead of making an intermediate profit.
Mr. DAVISON. Why "should we sell them direct for the company ?
We are the fiscal agents for the company and render them a service
and are properly compensated for that service.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is all you want to say about it, is it?
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Mr. UNTEBMYER. And that is all you want to say. Now, the next
issue seems to be the Indiana Steel Co. That is a subsidiary, too, is
it not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; that is a subsidiary.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Did J. P. Morgan & Co., in that case in April,
1912, give a participation to Kissell-Kinnicutt and Lee-Higginson
of $5,000,000 in that $10,000,000 issue?
Mr. DAVISON. It was a $15,000,000 issue, was it not ?
Mr. UNTERJIYEB. Yes; $15,000,000.
Mr. DAVISON. I can not answer that from definite knowledge I
have here. Have you it on the record ? If you -have it on the record
you have there—if it shows it—we did; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did your firm have anything to do with an issue
of bonds made by the Jones & Laughlin Steel Co. in June, 1911 ?
Mr. DAVISON. Not to my recollection, and I believe we did not have
anything to do with such an issue.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. DO you remember its being made through the
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank of Chicago ?
Mr. DAVISON. I have an indistinct recollection of such a transaction.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. Were you underwriters?
Mr. DAVISON. TO the best of my knowledge we were not. I have no
recollection of i t
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you remember whether you were or not?
Mr. DAVISON. I think we were not; I do not remember. If you
Tvill permit me to ask my partner, Mr. Lamont
Mr. UNTERIIYEB. Certainly.
Mr. DAVISON (to Mr. Lamont). Do you remember?
Mr. LAMONT. I have no recollection of it.
Air. UNTERMYER. Your answer is " no " ?
Mr. DAVISON. TO the best of my recollection, the answer is " no."
Mr. UNTEBIIYER. IS the Kanawha & Michigan a subsidiary corporation or controlled corporation of the Hocking Valley?
Mr. DAVISON. Their relations are very intimate; I am not familiar
with just what they are, but I think that is true.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does your firm have any list of individuals,
partnerships, or corporations, or of all of them, from which they
select those to whom they want to offer participations in their syndicates ?
Mr. DAVISON. We do not. I would like to get that on the record.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. YOU seem pleased when you are able to get anything on the record.
Mr. DAVISON. I beg your pardon
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do offer participations, do you not?
Mr. DAVISON. Oh, ves.
Mr. UNTEEMYEB. DO you

make up a separate list for each participation ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes: generally speaking.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you make it up from any list you have in
the office?
Mr. DAVISON. If we were to underwrite a security which we had
had an underwriting of—the same security at a previous time—we
would have a list of those who subscribed, and we would take out that
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Mr. UNTERMYEB. And you have a list of your underwriters, or
those to whom you allow participation, in each transaction that you
•conduct or have conducted?
Mr. DAVISON. We have in our records the result of our operation,
and that would include a list of those who participated.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Suppose you are making a new issue—that is, an
issue of a company for which you have made no preceding issue—
how do you make up a list of those whom you are going to permit or invite to participate ?
Mr. DAVISON. It would depend largely upon the character of the
security and the size of the issue.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. From what would you make it up—from
memory ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; very largely from memory; from those with
whom we were intimate, or had had transactions in other securities.
Mr. UNTEEMYEE. Largely from memory, and from what other
sources ?
Mr. DAVISON. Largely memory, and from our experience with
various underwriters.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. YOU mean gathered from your records ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; more or less.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. SO you would consult the lists you had in inviting other people to participate ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO. YOU want to make the point that we have a list.
Now. we have no such list
Mr. UNTERMYER. We are not making points, Mr. Davison; we are
asking questions. I would like that clearly understood. Let us
take an illustration. Let us take, for instance, the subway transaction, in which you are now engaged. That is a proposed bond issue
of $170,000,000?
Mr. DAVTSON. Yes.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. Have there been allotments already made?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW many allotments have been made?
Mr. DAVISON. In number?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; what is the number?
Mr. DAVISON. If I stated I would be guessing. It is a very

large
list; it is a very large undertaking. It is a pure guess, but I would
say perhaps 100 or 125.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. Have you partners in the enterprise ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; we have partners in the enterprise.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. The First National?
Mr. DAVISON. The First National Bank and the National City
Bank.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Are these banks and trust companies also participants?
Mr. DAVISON. What banks and trust companies?
Mr. UNTEBMYER. The Guaranty and the Bankers Trust?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And the Astor Trust and the Liberty Trust?
Mr. DAVISON. I think the Astor is. I have no doubt the Astor
Mr. UNTEBMYER. And the Bank of Commerce?
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Mr. DAVISON. Yes. And the Central Trust. Well, I will not
say the Central Trust. I will withdraw that because I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU thought that you would say it because it is
not in your circle ?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU are crediting me with a very good idea.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But you take it back?
Mr. DAVISON. I take it back because I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I wanted the banks and trust companies in your
circle.
Mr. DAVISON. I wondered if it would not be fair to ask about some
that are not in the circle, as you term it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Take the list of the banks with which you
deposit money. I have the list here. You have most of them in
that already. The American Exchange Bank, Mr. Clark's bank, is
a participant, is it not?
Mr. DAVISON. I will not guess on these, because I do not know.
I do not recall. Undoubtedly they are. I hope so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Can you give us any idea of the number of banks
and trust companies that are participants in that syndicate? I am
using that as an illustrative case, although I understand it is a large
issue, and there are more participants.
Mr. DAVISON. That syndicate covers a very broad territory. I
think it takes in institutions
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does it take in Boston?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.

it take in Lee, Higginson & Co.?

Mr. UNTERMYER. And Kidder, Peabody & Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not sure.
Mr. UNTERMYER. It takes in the Illinois Trust & Savings Bank of
Chicago ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not sure.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And the First National Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I must decline to guess on those, because I do not
recall; but I will say that it covers a wide territory. We have gone
West, I think, in that, and South; but there is a very large interest
in that in Europe.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you the underwriting for the City Bank
and the First National, or do they do their own? Is it one underwriting, or does each one of the three partners do its own share ?
Mr. DAVISON. I t happens that I was in Europe when that was
fixed up—that is, when the underwriting itself was done and when
the arrangements were made-^-so I can not tell you just the circumstances. I can give you any information generally about it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But you do not know whether the entire $170,000,000 of bonds was underwritten by these three concerns—yourselves, the First National and the National City—under one underwriting, or whether each one took its own underwriting?
Mr. DAVISON. Probably under one underwriting, by consulting;
they probably sat around a table and
Mr. UNTERMYER. Can you tell how many banks and trust companies are participants in that deal, approximately ?



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Mr. DAVISON. I am sorry I am not familiar enough with the list
to know, because, as I said, I was in Europe when that was done,
and I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. are underwriting the Brooklyn
Rapid Transit end of that deal, are they not? That is an entirely
different thing?
Mr. DAVISON. It is an entirely separate transaction.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But that is the Brooklyn end of it and this is the
New York end ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; it is the Brooklyn Rapid Transit, but it is in
New York as well as in Brooklyn.
Mr. UNTERMYER. There are two systems, two proposed routes of
subways ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They have one and you have the other?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know that they have one and I do

not know
that we have the other. We have the financing of this transaction.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And they have the financing of the other transaction ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes: they and their associates, I understand.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. Their transaction involves raising about $40,000,000, does it not?
Mr. DAVISON. That is my recollection.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And yours $170,000,000.
Mr. DAVISON. That is my recollection.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Am I right in the statement, Mr. Davison, that
the State puts in $70,000,000 of bonds behind this $170,000,000?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; you are not right in that statement.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does it not agree to do so, if necessary ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW
Mr. DAVISON. DO you

much does it agree to put in ?
want—are you asking me the character of
the contract between the city and the Interborough ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. I do not want to go into the details of that complicated transaction. I only want to know the single fact as to how
much the city of New York puts back of your $170,000,000 of bonds,
of money?
Mr. DAVISON. The contract provides, as I recall it, that the city
and the company shall put in $58,000,000 each, pari passu, for the
construction of the subway.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Behind your bonds ?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean by "behind the bonds"?
Mr. UNTERMYEB. I mean as a subsequent lien only, and the interest
to be paid only after the interest and sinking fund are paid on the
bonds that your firm are to buy.
Mr. DAVISON. TO answer that question I would have to take up the
broad subject, because an answer to that question alone would give a
false impression.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I think that without taking up that long transaction, a complicated one, it ought to be easy for you to tell us how
much money the city of New York undertakes to put behind those
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Mr. DAVISON. I answer that they did not put any money behind
those bonds. You can not take up one part of that transaction without taking up the other. To-day there is a subway owned by the
Rapid Transit Co. in the borough that is a very profitable undertaking, and that is an integral part of this transaction.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I understand that: but this arrangement involves
guaranteeing the present earnings on the old Interborough
Mr. DAVISON. NO, sir: there is no guaranty.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. I mean, provided the earnings are sufficient for
that purpose. It provides a preference?
Mr. DAVISON. It is a preference providing the earnings on the new
system are sufficient.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Providing the earninge on the new system are
found sufficient, they are to be paid first ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Next,

the interest on your bonds that you are to
take is to be paid, and the sinking fund, out of the earnings?
Mr. DAVISON. NO. I must answer that question because it is important enough for you to ask it. Under that contract the old system earned a certain amount of money, which was figured to be
$6,335,000. That was the average amount of earnings of that property for the two years prior to the date of the contract or the date
of the proposed contract. Therefore, in this plan, it was provided
that out of the earnings the Interborough Co. should get on the
old and the new stock an amount equal to the earnings that they
were making on their own private property to-day. That is the
preference, and that is the only preference. Out of that they pay
the interest on all of their financing and the city comes in. The city
in giving them the preference only gives them what they have to-day.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes. That is not the point.
Mr. DAVISON. It is a very important point.
Mr. UNTERMYER. After that preference has been paid, the next
earnings go to paying the interest and sinking fund on the bonds
(hat you are to take?
Mr. DAVISON. Not at all.

Mr. UNTERMYER. They do not? Does the city get any return on
its money that it puts in by way of interest and otherwise until
after sufficient has been set aside to pay the full interest on your
bonds ?
Mr. DAVISON. The city gets no return on its hioney until the Interi orough receives the interest and sinking fund.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Amounting to 5 per cent and 1 per cent on its
bonds?
Mr. DAVISON. That is a correct statement.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That includes the bonds you are taking?
Mr. DAVISON. That includes the bonds that are issued to build
this new work, whatever the amount may be.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That includes the bonds you are taking ?
Mr. DAVISON. That is correct.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS there any other banking house in the United
States that would have the facilities to take that issue of bonds that
you are taking?
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Mr. UNTERMYER. We want the facts, Mr. Davison, even if your
.sense of modesty is outraged.
Mr. DAVISON. That is a matter of opinion.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What is your opinion?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it is fair to express the opinion. No; I am
not sure that there is no other house in the country that can do that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU can not say so ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. are

financing the other venture. Leaving them out. is there any other house in the country that
could finance those bonds?
Mr. DAVISON. Can I not answer that question by saying that we
are a very large house ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Oh, I think you might answer.
Mr. DAVISON. NO; but, Mr. Untermyer, I do not want to sit here
and say there are no other banking houses
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know that is so, do you not?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I do not know that is so, by any manner of
means.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Very well. Is not your ability to finance a project of that kind due in some measure to your being able to place
these bonds with banks and financial institutions ?
Mr. DAVISON. It is due
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you not answer my question?
Mr. DAVISON. I am going to answer your question.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU can answer that——
Mr. DAVISON. It is due largely to our ability, certainly.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does the Guaranty Trust participate in

most of
your financial operations—syndicates ?
Mr. DAVISON. Very frequently.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. And the Bankers Trust ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; very frequently.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And any other affiliated institutions that we have
mentioned here?
Mr. DAVISON. Very frequently; and also the other financial institutions of the city of New York very frequently.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know what proportion of the securities
that are owned by the Bankers Trust Co. and the Guaranty Trust
Co. and the Bank of Commerce, that are held in their treasuries, are
securities acquired from J. P. Morgan & Co. ? Have you. made any
calculation on that ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I have.
Mr..UNTERMYEK. Have you got it here?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; I have not got the actual figures.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I would like the figures. Will you let us have
thefigures?
Mr. DAVISON. There is
Mr. UNTERMYER. No; I do not want any deductions. Will you
let us have thefigures?
Mr. DAVISON. I was going to state that it is a comparatively small
percentage.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO; I object to that unless you give the figures,
if you have got them here. You say you have made a calculation?



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Mr. DAVISON. NO. Calculations have been made. I do not
know
Mr. UNTERMYER. Recently, within the last few years, many of the
issues of J. P. Morgan & Co. have been made jointly with the First
National Bank and the National City Bank, have they not ?
Mr.

DAVISON. Yes.

Mr. UNTERMYEK. And many with Lee-Higginson and with western bankers?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; not very many with the western bankers. As
a matter of fact, 1 recall very few with the western bankers. We
have made them occasionally with Lee-Higginson and with other
houses.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. YOU have made them very largely with LeeHigginson?
Mr. DAVISON. It is comparative. I do not think we have, very
largely.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But your main joint account transactions are
with the City Bank and the First National Bank ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think they have been.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS it not a fact that in previous years you made
the issues largely alone, prior to five years ago ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think more largely alone; yes, sir. They were
gmaller in character.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I will ask you to look at the list of the Bank of
Commerce of November 30, 1902, showing a total of $10,988,383 of
assets in the way of bonds. I wish you would check off on that list
any securities held by the Bank of Commerce that were not either
part of the issue made by J. P. Morgan & Co. or in which they
participated or in which the First National Bank or the National
City Bank participated.
Mr. DAVISON. I state now that I can not do that. Nobody can do
that; no one person can do that. I have no statement here on that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you a list here of the securities held in the
treasury of the Bankers Trust Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Or of the Guaranty Trust ?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. These banks and trust companies are a very
bond-distributing department and the other has not.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, that is comparative. One of the institutions
is perhaps more so than the other, because one of them has an active
bond-distributing department and the other has not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The larger ones have all taken on bond-distributing departments, have they not?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Has

the First National a bond distributing department?
Mr. DAVISON. I thought you were speaking of the Bankers' Trust
and of the Guaranty Trust.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; I am speaking of these financial institutions
in New York, these large financial institutions with which J. P.
Morgan & Co. are identified, and in which they have an interest. I
want to know whether they are not a very valuable outlet for an
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Mr. DAVISON. They have valuable connections.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. And a banking house that has not access to those
large banks, with their large resources, is it or not at a disadvantage
in making issues of securities of a substantial amount compared to
the banking house that has access to those concerns and that has representation on them and in whom they have confidence?
Mr. DAVISON. The representation on them has no effect, and I
know of no banking house that has not access to them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know of any that have?
Mr. DAVISON. If you will give me the list of the banking houses in
New York, I will give you a list——
Mr. UNTERMYEK. If you will give me a list of securities of the
Bank of Commerce and check off any securities in its treasury bought
from other banking houses than J. P. Morgan & Co., Lee, Higginson & Co., Kidder, Peabody & Co., the First National Bank of Chicago, the Illinois Trust & Savings Co. of Chicago, or Kuhn, Loeb &
Co., perhaps that would answer my question.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; but your question assumes that there are no
•others, and that is incorrect, and it is not fair.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. NO ; I have not said that there were no others.
Mr. DAVISON. Your question assumes it.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. But I do believe that there are others. You
understand ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. I

assume that some securities are bought from
other houses. But you recognize, do you not, that there is a great
advantage in having the entree and the interest in one of these banks,
and a representation on the board; or do you think that is no advantage whatever?
Mr. DAVISON. Absolutely no advantage at all.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. None whatever?
Mr. DAVISON. In the placing of securities.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think it is a disadvantage?
Mr. DAVISON. At times. Not always.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Even, for instance, where you gentlemen are
voting trustees and have the naming of the directors, you think it is
a disadvantage?
Mr. DAVISON. Voting trustees have no more to do with the sale of
securities than they have with the winds that are blowing around this
building.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They have with the naming of the directors and
the naming of the officers?
Mr. DAVISON. They have not, as a matter of fact.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They have the power to put them out?
Mr. DAVISON. NO
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have

they not the power at any annual meeting
to put them out?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; their term expires.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have they not the power to elect others?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. TO substitute ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And to elect a board



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Mr. DAVISON. Yes. You know that in these trusts these directors
are elected and chosen by class; they are divided into classes serving
one, two, and three years.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are there any classes .that stay in 14 years ?
Mr. DAVISON. I hope there will be.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. I say, are there any classes that are elected for
14 years ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Your

Bankers Trust Co. voting trust has continued now for how many years; for 10 years, has it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; 10 years.
Mr. UNTEKMYEB. And the classes—they are elected in classes of
one, two, and three years ?
Mr. DAVISON. They are, and they have never elected a board in
practice.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. What is that?
Mr. DAVISON. I say, they have never elected a board in practice.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. They have been satisfied with the boards that
were there?
Mr. DAVISON. Very highly satisfied.
Mr. UNTERMTER. One of the committee would like to know whether
the City Bank, the First National Bank, the Guaranty Trust, and
the Bankers Trust, are distributors of bonds.
Mr. DAVISON. In part they are. The National City Bank has a
large bond department. The First National Bank is quite active in
that business. The Bank of Commerce is not. The Guaranty Trust
Co. has a very active bond department. The Bankers Trust Co.; no.
Mr. UNTEBMTER. DO they sell these bonds on commission, or do
they sell them at such price as they fix, or resell them as owners?
Mr. DAVISON. It depends entirely upon the issue and the circumstances.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO they sometimes act as brokers, selling them on
commission to the banking houses ?
Mr. DAVISON. For J. P. Morgan & Co.?
Mr. UNTEBMYER. For any banking company.
Mr. DAVISON. That I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They do not for you?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; never.
Mr. UNTEEMYEK. They buy them outright and sell them at -whatever they choose?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I think they have never sold for us on commission.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. J. P. Morgan & Co. have made a number of large
issues within the last few weefa, have they not?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think so; they may have made a large
number of advertisements.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But when they advertise the bonds are already
sold, are they not?
Mr. DAVISON. Not always.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I mean they have been underwritten before they
are advertised, have they not, as a rule ?
Mr. DAVISON. I would not say as a rule. Frequently; not as a rule.
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Mr. UNTERMYER. IS this a statement of issues made since November 1, 1912?
Mr. DAVISON. It brings the statement up to date.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. DO you know how much the issues since that
time amount to?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not. It can easily be figured.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In this list it says about $82,000,000.
Mr. DAVISON. About $85,000,000, I think.
Mr. UNTERMYER. There are five in this list, amounting to $82,000,000. I will ask to have that marked in connection with the list
now submitted, excluding the pencil marks on the paper, which are
mine.
The two papers referred to were marked respectively "Exhibits
Nos. 224 and 224-a, January 23, 1913," and will be found printed at
the end of this day's proceedings.
Mr. UNTERMYER. This does not include the Chicago & Western
Indiana Eailroad Co. issue at ten million?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; it does not. The reason for that is that this
list was made out, I should say, upon receipt of your inquiry, and
the issue has been made since that date.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does it include the Kansas City Terminal Co.
issue of ten millions?
Mr. DAVISON. It does.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does it include the $12,540,000 New York Central lines equiment trust of 1913? That was issued yesterday, was
it not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. We will have to give you telegraphic advices
if you want to be up to date.
Mr. UNTERMYER. We will bring you up to date. Does it include
the Canada Southern Eailway?
Mr. DAVISON. It does.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW large an issue was that?
Mr. DAVISON. $22,500,000.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The Chicago & Western Indiana Eailroad Co.
issue was made jointly, was it, with the First National Bank and the
National City Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I think so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Sir?
Mr. DAVISON. It

was.

Mr. UNTERMYER. The Kansas City Terminal Eailway Co. $10,000,000 issue was made jointly with what banking houses?
Mr. DAVISON. If you will tell me I will answer your question.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not remember? It is only a few days
ago.
Mr. DAVISON. I know, but my mind was occupied.
Mr. UNTERMYER. J. P. Morgan & Co., Lee, Higginson & Co., and
the Illinois Trust and Savings Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. I think so. We have been associated together in.
the past in that business.
Mr. UXTERMYER. Is that the reason of making the $10,000,000.
issue jointly with these other houses, because you have had other
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Mr. DAVISON. In that same business, if everything has been satisfactory and gone along all right, we would join with the same parties in an issue of the same company.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. The $12,540,000 New York Central equipment
issue, made yesterday, 1913, was that made jointly by J. P. Morgan
& Co., the First National Bank, and the National City Bank?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was

that joint issue made for the same reason
that previous issues of that same company had been made for joint
account of the same parties?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know that we had previously issued that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The New York Central?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Had

you not previously issued the Kansas City
Terminal securties jointly with Lee-Higginson and the Illinois Trust
and Savings?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I said that we had.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. Then you know of these three instances—the
Chicago & Western Indiana Eailway Co., the Kansas City Terminal
Co., and the New York Central, all made within a few weeks jointly
with other banking houses—those we have been discussing. Is there
any rule or custom among bankers that where they make one issue
of a company or are interested together in one issue they remain
interested in subsequent issues?
Mr. DAVISON. For the same company ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. AS a matter

of practice, if it was satisfactory in
every particular. I should say that it was the custom; yes. It is a
matter of banking ethics.
Mr. UNTEHMYEK. A matter of banking ethics ?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say so; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. If either one of the three thereafter gets an issue
of that company it is a matter of banking ethics that it is for joint
account, is it?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say that the natural way of handling that
business would be to have it go to the parties who handled it before,
if it were satisfactorily handled; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU mean if they have not had any differences
or disagreements between themselves?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; if it was satisfactorily handled.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you not within the last few weeks also
taken an issue of $67,000,000 of American Telephone & Telegraph
bonds jointly with Lee-Higginson and other banking houses?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.

Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU participated with them in that issue ?
Mr. DAVISON. Excuse me, I was going to answer your question.
I think with others, not including Lee, Higginson & Co. as principals,
but with Kidder, Peabody & Co., the First National, the National
City Bank. Baring Bros. & Co. (Ltd.), of London, and Morgan-Grenfell (Ltd.), of London, we have underwritten an issue of $67,000,000
of American Telephone & Telegraph Co. bonds.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are they the same parties
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Mr. UHTEBMYEB. Are they the same bankers or banking houses
with which you had previously underwritten issues of the American
Telephone & Telegraph Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. Exactly; and that is a complete answer to your
question.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. YOU have together underwritten, I think, $150,000,000 of those bonds, have you not?
Mr. DAVISON. That is my recollection.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. SO that the same rule of banking ethics required
the same disposition of this issue as of the others ?
Mr. DAVISON. I would not say it required it.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. It resulted in it?
Mr. DAVISON. It resulted in it; exactly.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. AS a matter of fact, in business morals it would
require it?
Mr. DAVISON. It would require it if everything was properly and
satisfactorily handled, and there were no other factors in the situation which might make it inexpedient. The situation, when a transaction comes up, always governs.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. What was there left for the American Telephone
& Telegraph Co. to do when it had $67,000,000 of bonds to issue
except to give it to you gentlemen when you had this rule of banking
ethics or this arrangement, so that one of you could not take it
against the other?
Mr. DAVISON. They did not want to have anything else to do, I
imagine.
Mr. UNTEEMYEE. DO not let us get into the realm of imagination at
this hour of the afternoon.
Mr. DAVISON. I think they were very well satisfied.
Mr. UNTEEMYEB. That is not the question. Suppose they were not,
what else was there left?
Mr. DAVISON. They could go to many other houses.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. TO John Brown?
Mr. DAVISON. Brown Bros.
Mr. UNTEEMYEB. And Brown Bros, could handle that sixty-seven
millions as against J. P. Morgan & Co., Kuhn, Loeb & Co., J. S.
Morgan & Co., of London, Kidder, Peabody & Co.; Baring Bros.,
Estabrook & Co., F. L. Day & Co., and the Old Colony Trust Co.,
could they ?
Mr. DAVISON. There are 10 houses in New York City that could
get up a syndicate in 24 hours, irrespective of any one of those
houses.
Mr. UNTEEMYEE. Of sixty-seven millions?
Mr. DAVISON. Sixty-seven millions.
Mr. UNTEEMYEE. Be good enough to name one—not ten, but one—
that has gotten up such a syndicate in the last five years independent
of any of those houses and without resort to them and without their
assistance or cooperation.
Mr. DAVISON. YOU mean of sixty-seven millions ?
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. About as large as that.
Mr. DAVISON. It is very rare that you have a syndicate of sixtyseven millions.



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Mr. UNTERMYEB. Instead of sixty-seven millions, let us make it
twenty-five millions. Give me the name of any house that has gotten
up such a syndicate.
Mr. DAVISON, I thought you would ask that question.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. I know you thought I would ask that question,
and I knew you had it all ready. That is why I asked you. Now,
name any house that has gotten up a syndicate of twenty-five millions in which none of these gentlemen were interested.
Mr. DAVISON. Of course, Mr. Untermyer, I can only take the records as I find them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; that is just crux of it.
Mr. DAVISON. I will offer this in evidence in answer to the question. Twenty-five millions, Utah Security Corporation, 10-year &
per cent notes, in October, 1912, brought out by the Electric Bond &
Share Co. and Hayden, Stone & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us have that. Utah Security Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What sort of company is that?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU know much more about it than

I do. You are

counsel for them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; I am not.
Mr. DAVISON. I beg your pardon; I thought you were counsel.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU see you may be mistaken.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. I do not know anything about them, either.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do not know what it is?
Mr. DAVISON. XO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. It might be a mine, might it not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; certainly.
Mr. UNTERMYER. A. copper mine or a gold mine ?
Mr. DAVISON. It might be anything.
Mr. UNTERMYER. We are not referring to copper mines or gold

mines; we are referring to industrials and railroads, but we will take
that up for the time being. Do you know whether Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
were underwriters there ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. D O you know whether
Mr. DAVISON. I do.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They were not?
Mr. DAVISON. They were not.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. D O you know whether

J. P. Morgan & Co. were?

Kidder, Peabody & Co., of
Boston, were?
Mr. DAVISON. No; I do not know about any of the others.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Wait a moment. Answer my question. My question was, where the American Telephone & Telegraph Co. could go
and place bonds except with these gentlemen whom you have named
in this banking ethics arrangement, and you have named a case in
which you say there were $25,000,000 of securities issued through
Hayden, Stone & Co. and somebody else. Now, what kind of securities were they, what class of securities? Was is stocks or bonds, or
what?
Mr. DAVISON. They were 6 per cent 10-year notes.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. Notes on what ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know, but there is one thing about it, if
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Mr. UNTERMYEB. DO not argue about it.
Mr. DAVISON. I am not arguing about it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When you talk about floating that, it may have
had Government bonds back of it as collateral ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I guess so.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. I do not want you to guess.
Mr. DAVISON. I guess it had not"
Mr. UNTERMYEE. YOU do not know what it had back of it?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; but you are the man that is discrediting the
security; I am not.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. There is nobody discrediting it. I am trying to
find out if you know what you are talking about.
Mr. DAVISON. I know what I am talking about as much as you do,
from the information you have there. There is a public list of securities, a list containing three hundred and thirty-two millions of
securities, which have been recently issued by houses which are not
in your list and have no connection, so far as the evidence shows
[handing list to counsel].
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Will you let us have that ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. I say, so far as the evidence shows.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. SO far as the evidence shows, yes. Well, let us
see whether there is any one of them that you know anything about.
Mr. DAVISON. I will promise you that I do not.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. Where did you get this list ?
Mr. DAVISON. That is the reason it is there.
Mr. UNTEEMYEK. Where did you get this list?
Mr. DAVISON. It was prepared by a man in our office.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What is his name?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Backus.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS he a lawyer ?
Mr. DAVISON. Not in getting that work up.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. But he is a lawyer?
Mr. DAVISON. Not necessarily with us. He is a lawyer; yes.
Mr. UNTEHMYEE. And you have not investigated any of these
things and you do not know anything about them ?
Mr. DAVISON. If I knew more about them they might be in our
house, but they are not. That is the best evidence that I do not know
about them.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. Wait a minute, because I know something about
that.
Mr. DAVISON. I have no doubt.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I see you have gone back to May, 1905, have you
not?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, that shows there were people doing business
even as far back as that..
Mr. UNTERMYER. There is no question that as far back as that there
were people who were doing business. The question is, Who are
doing business now ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO

you know to what extent, if to any extent,
Kidder, Peabody & Co. were interested in any of these transactions?
Mr. DAVISON/Mr. Untermyer, I say no; I know nothing but what
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Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know anything about the extent to which
Lee, Iligginson & Co. were interested in these issues ?
Mr. DAVISON. What issues?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Those you are referring to.
Mr. DAVISON. If you will analyze them, I will answer.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I say do you know to what extent they were interested ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you

know to what extent Kuhn. Loeb & Co.
were interested?
Mr. DAVISON. Of course
Mr. UNTEKMYER. Will you not answer that question ?
Mr. DAVISON. Of course you can infer that they were all interested with J. P. Morgan & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. All I want to show is that you do not know anything about it.
Mr. DAVISON. I will concede that I know this about it, that I had
no interest in it, but my belief is that they had no interest in most of
them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW can you say that ?
Mr. DAVISON. I say that is my belief, because I know and you
know that there are a great many houses in New York doing a very
large volume of business that have no relation or connection with
those houses you have named there. You know it just as well as I do,
and it can be proved.
Mr. UNTERMYER. On the contrary, I do not think any of them can
exist against your ill will.
Mr. DAVISON. That is an absurd statement that ought not to be
made.
Mr. UNTERMYER. If you will answer my questions we will get
along.
Mr. DAVISON. I will try to.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you tell me whether or not, or do you not
know, that Hayden, Stone & Co., the first concern to which you referred, in the issue about which you have testified
Mr. DAVISON. The reason I picked it was because it was twenty-five
millions, the amount you named.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know that they have close relations
with Lee, Higginson & Co. and Kidder, Peabody & Co. in issuing
mining securities?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know it. no,
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have they not had relations with those houses in
the issue of mining securities?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you been concerned in the Inspiration Copper Co.—your house?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO

you not know that Hayden. Stone & Co. were
interested in that ?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not know it. I was not familiar with that
transaction. Do you know, Mr. Lindabury ?
Mr. LINDABUBY. I do not know.
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Mr. UNTERMYER. I did not mean to assert that they were, but it
is possible ?
Mr. DAVISON. I t is possible, but I do not know it. There is no
reason why they should not be.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know what their relations are with
Kiddeu, Peabody & Co. in mining securities ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I think you said you did not know whether that
was a mining security?
Mr. DAVISON. I really know nothing about it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The subject on which this committee is trying
to get information, Mr. Davison, the broad, general subject, is as to
whether or not it is possible to make any large issue of securities
in this country without the cooperation of some one of a half dozen
large banking houses which are linked together in business interests.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; of course.
Mr. UNTERMYER. All I want to find out with respect to this list
you have submitted here is whether you have any information as to
who were connected with these particular issues of which you have
furnished a list, among these six houses ?
Mr. DAVISON. In any particular line ? Let me make that clear.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you no information as to that?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not. and I have said so repeatedly. I asked
Mr. Backus if he would look that up and see what large transactions
had been handled by houses with which houses we were in no way
associated, and he gave me that list. I did not intend to offer that
list in evidence.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let me ask you this, then: You asked him to
make up a list in which they did not appear as the issuing house ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; I said in which they had no issue.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW could he tell?"
Mr. DAVISON. He could not tell.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He could not tell ?
Mr. DAVISON. XO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Whether

they may have had an interest, or what
their interest was in these issues, you would not undertake to say ?
Mr. DAVISON. XO; I would not undertake to say; but those houses
can handle issues without the help of any other house. Take such
houses as Blair & Co., William Salomon, Lehman Bros., Golden &
Sachs, and Heidelbach, Ickelheimer & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you heard of Heidelbach, Ickelheimer &
Co. making any issue of over $5,000,000 in 10 years?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have

you ever heard of that firm making any
issue in 10 years ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know, but they have the ability.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW do you know?
Mr. DAVISON. From the standing of the house.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What do you know about their connections?
Mr. DAVISON. I know about their standing in general. I could
give a list of 30 independent houses in Xew York entirely independent of any of these.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW is it that they have not done it ?
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Mr. UNTERMYER. Going back to 1905, which i» eight years, in that
time how many millions of securities have you all issued?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean by " you all" ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. For instance, J. P. Morgan & Co., either alone or
jointly with others?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know. I want it clearly understood that I
do not offer that as the amount of securities that have been issued by
other houses since the time stated.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you want to offer it?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.

Mr. UNTERMYER. Then you may take it back, because if you do
not want it we will not examine it.
Are you familiar with the process of railway reorganization ?
Mr. DAVISON. Not to any extent. I have never been associated
with railway reorganization.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The committee wanted to get some information
as to the present methods of reorganization.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, I am sorry, but
Mr. UNTERMYER. AS compared with the methods prevailing, we
will say, in England, and the room, if any, for constructive legislation on the subject.
Mr. DAVIDSON. I am very sorry, but I am entirely incompetent to
give any idea on that subject.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us see how far you are informed on the subject. You know the practice in this country of reorganizing insolvent railroads through receivership and reorganization committees?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are

those reorganization committees usually selfconstituted ?
Mr. DAVISON. My impression is that in a large degree they are
voluntary committees.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And having constituted themselves into a committee for the purpose of collecting the securities, they generally go
to a banking house, do they not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. That is my understanding.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And sometimes the banking house starts the reorganization for them, does it not?
Mr. DAVISON. I assume so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What is the first thing that they do, is it to put
out advertisements for the deposit of securities ?
Mr. DAVISON. I have never been on a committee like that, and I
do not know; but I think that is probably one of the first steps.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When it comes to a sale of this property under
foreclosure, do you know the procedure that the committee having
the security pursues?
Mr. DAVIDSON. I do not like to testify on that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU would rather not?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS Mr. Lamont familiar with railroad reorganization ?
Mr. LAMONT. Still less so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who is there in your firm who has had charge
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Mr. DAVISON. We have had very little. Since I have been in the
office there has been only one reorganization of that kind that I recall.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The Chicago & Great Western ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Very recently?
Mr. DAVISON. Three or four years

ago. That is the only one that
there has been since I have been in the firm.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you have charge of that ?
Mr. DAVTSON. Not personally; no.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who had charge of that ?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Charles E. Steele.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know this fact, that the plan of
reorganization is gotten together by this committee?
Mr. DAVISON. I have always assumed that is a fact.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And does that plan apportion the securities to
the different security holc\rs and provide what they shall pay, if
anything, in the way of assessment ?
Mr. DAVISON. That would be the character of reorganization plan,
I should say.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What happens under the present plan to those
that do not go in, under the present method of reorganization ?
Mr. DAVISON. Does not that depend largely upon the character oi
the security? In other words, ir it were a common stock and the
assessment were made and a man declined to pay the assessment.
in. many cases I would suppose the reorganization would probably
wipe him out.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU are not familiar with the English system
that does away with foreclosures ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That does away with all the expense of delay.
Mr. DAVISON. I am not.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. And that protects the minority.
Mr. DAVISON. I am not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you the bankers for the Northern Pacific?
Mr. DAVISON. We are to a degree. We pay their coupons. I do

not know whether we are their fiscal agents or not. I am under the
impression that we are.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They keep an account with you, do they not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think they do; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does the Great Northern also, or is that in the
hands of the First National ?
Mr. DAVISON. The Great Northern keeps no account with us.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. Are they with the First National ?
Mr. DAVISON. Their relations with the First National, I assume,
are intimate.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When you were with the First National were
they not the fiscal agents for the Great Northern?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think they were, as such. I think the Great
Northern did carry an account
Mr. UNTERMYER. And they were the bankers?
Mr. DAVISON. They are intimate. I think the First National issued
some of the Great Northern bonds two or three years ago.
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Mr. UNTERMYER. Are Kuhn, Loeb & Co. and the First National
interested in the Bank of Commerce with Morgan & Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. are interested in the First National Bank, as are also
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO, no; I mean the Bank of Commerce, as is the
First National also?
Mr. DAVISON. I would not say the First National, as a bank, is
interested.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But through Mr. Baker ?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Baker is individnually interested.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They are all represented on that board ?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Baker is on the board of the Bank of Commerce,
and Mr. Hine is also on the board of the Bank of Commerce.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And Mr. Schiff?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Schiff is not. He is retired and Mr. Warburg
is on the board.
Mr. UNTERMYER. He is his partner?
Mr. DAVISON. He is his partner; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And how many of your firm are on there ?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Morgan, jr., and myself.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What are the relations of your firm with the
American Agricultural Chemical Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. We have no relations, so far as I know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know who are their bankers ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU

act for the International Agricultural
Chemical Co., do you not?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are not your firm bankers for them ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO. I think they have an account for them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you not raised money for them ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; not so far as I know. Mr. Lamont, one of our
partners, is a member of the board. But if you mean are we the
bankers for the International Agricultural Corporation I should say
we are not. I am not intimate with the corporation; I do not know
just what their financial arrangements are.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you not participated in issues of the American Agricultural Chemical Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. Never; so far as I recall.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are the International Agricultural Corporation
and the American Agricultural Chemical Go. competitors?
Mr. DAVISON. I have always supposed they were.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you interested in the United States Motors
Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean by " interested " ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. AS the holders of securities, or interested in the
issue of any of their securities?
Mr. DAVISON. We have a small interest in that corporation. We
are not active in it, in any way.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you also in the General Motors ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did

you participate with Kidder, Peabody &
Co. in the American Woolen Co. ?
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Mr. UNTERIIYER. Or with Lee-Higginson ?
Mr. DAVISOX. I have no recollection of our having any interest
in that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That was, perhaps, before your time?
Mr. DAVISON. The company was organized long before I went
with the firm.
Mr. UNTERMTER. To what extent have J. P. Morgan & Co. been interested in the dry-goods business in New York City and throughout the country?
Mr. DAVISON. TO no extent whatever in the dry-goods business.
Mr. UXTERMYER. Did you not organize the United Dry Goods Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. I was about to say that we have from time to time
done some financing for the Associated Merchants and the United
Dry Goods Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What do you mean by the Associated Merchants ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think that is the corporate title of an institution
or corporation of which Mr. Claflin is the head, and we have done
some financing for them and also for the United Dry Goods Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. H. P. Claflin & Co. was the old firm?
Mr. DAVISON. It was; and still is.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you remember how many millions of securities have been issued through your house for the United Dry Goods
Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not. But you have a list. All we issued appears here.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; the United Dry Goods Co., 100,000 shares
of preferred and 22,500 shares of common, in 1909; $10,000,000 of
preferred and $2,500,000 of common.
Mr. DAVISON. That is correct; 100,000 shares of preferred and
22,500 shares of the common.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes. Did you also buy Lord & Taylor's for
them?
Mr. DAVISON. According to this statement we did.
Mr. UNTERMYEK. Did you also buy another 19,394 shares of United
Dry Goods stock?
Mr. DAVISON. We did.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you any representation on the board?
Mr. DAVISON. None whatever.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you place all this stock for them ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall the details of the transaction.

If
we bought it we either placed it all or have some of it left.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What is the total capital of the United Dry
Goods?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not recall.
Mr. UNTERMYER. How many dry-goods concerns, besides H. B.
Claflin & Co., which is a jobbing concern, does it own in New York
City?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not even know that. We have never had anything whatever to do with the dry-goods business or with the conduct
of its business. We have taken it entirely on Mr. Claflin's say so
and on the statements presented by him. We have in these instances
financed his corporations through him.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have issued about $20,000,000 of securities
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Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And

do I understand you to say that you do not
know what properties or businesses are owned by the company on
which you have issued $20,000,000 of securities ?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU understand me to say that we never have investigated the dry-goods business ourselves, and are not in any
sense in touch with it except through Mr. Chaflin.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes: but what I want to know is this: Having
issued about $20,000,000 of these securities, can you not tell us which
of the large stores in Xew York and throughout the country have
been brought together into that company?
Mr. DAVISON. I am sorry, but I can not. I think that Claflin
owns—I think that he has McCreary's.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And Adams?
Mr. DAVISON. And Lord & Taylor; and I think Adams.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And O'Neill's?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And what businesses throughout the country are
included in that company I
Mr. DAVISON. I will have to suffer the embarrassment and say that
I do not know, for I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you participate in the notation of securities
of a rubber company and a cement company and a locomotive company?
Mr. DAVISON. Just a moment, please. A rubber company ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes. What is the name of it ?
Mr. DAVISON. The United States Rubber Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU were interested in that, were you not 1
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But

is there not another rubber company in
which you were interested?
Mr. DAVISON. In which we issued?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. NO, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Or in

which you joined some Boston house in the
issue?
Mr. DAVISON. Not so far as I know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What was the transaction in the United States
Rubber Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. In 1908 we purchased, jointly with the First National, Blair & Co., and Kidder, Peabody & Co., $8,000,000 of collateral funding 5 per cent notes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you assist in the financing of a cement company?
Mr. DAVISON. We did.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. What was that?
Mr. DAVISON. The Atlas Portland Cement Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That was when ?
Mr. DAVISON. In August, 1910.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And what was that, an issue of notes ?
Mr. DAVISON. AS a matter of fact, we made a loan to

the Atla>
Co. of $4,000,000. We took notes of the company for $4,000,000.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What was your connection with the Baldwin
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Mr. DAVISOK. Our Philadelphia house, Drexel & Co., I think, were
associated with others in some financing of the Baldwin Locomotive
Works a year or two ago.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Which house?
Mr. DAVISON. Drexel & Co.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. In what way were you associated?
Mr. DAVISON. That was entirely a Philadelphia matter.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But it is the samefirm?
Mr. DAVISON. I understand.
Mr. UNTERMYEK. With the same partners?
Mr. DAVISON. But I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And the same treasury?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us see if I can refresh your recollection.
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think you can, because I do not think I ever
had any.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The question is whether you want to remember.
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I beg your pardon; it does not depend upon
that at all.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was it a £10,000.000 issue of first mortgage
0 per cent bonds?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say it was not, but I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Why should you say it was not. unless you know
what it was?
Mr. DAVISON. In the first place, you are asking if you can refresh
my memory, and I am telling you I do not think you can, because I
do not think I had much memory on the subject; but I am quite
positive that it was a stock transaction and not a bond transaction.
1 am not saying that Drexel & Co. did not have dealings with the
Baldwins in bonds, but I do not know of any such transaction as
that.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. What was the nature of this stock transaction;
the purchase of preferred stock, was it not?
Mr. DAVISON. That is my recollection.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What was the issue, $25,000,000?
Mr. DAVISON. AS I recall it, it was a recapitalization of the company : and my recollection is that there was $10,000,000 of preferred
and $20,000,000 of the common. I may be wrong about that. I do
not like to go on record about that, but that is my recollection of it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Was not some of this placed in New York
through your house?
Mr. DAVISON. I think not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. In what year was that?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it was in 1911—1910 or 1911.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Which of the partners of your firm is represented
on the board there?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Stotesbury. I think, is the one.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let me see if I can not refresh your recollection
as to your really having an interest in the American Agricultural
Chemical Co. Do you not recall that you took a participation from
Lee. Higginson & Co. in the 5 per cent bonds that were issued by
that company?
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Mr. UNTERSIYER. DO you not recall that? That was in 1908. I
guess that was before you came into the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co.
Mr. DAVISON. That was before I went with the firm.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And you do not know whether your firm was
interested in both the American Agricultural Chemical Co. and the
International Agricultural Corporation?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know that our firm are not in any way interested in the American Agricultural Chemical Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know whether they were interested?
Mr. DAVISON. They never have been, so far as I know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. There is in evidence among the statements put
in here of transactions of Lee. Higginson & Co. one of the American
Agricultural Chemical Co.. September and October, 1908, $8,000,000
of bonds, in which the Chase National Bank, the National City Bank,
and J. P. Morgan & Co. participated.
Mr. DAVISON. That undoubtedly is true, then; but that was before
I went with the firm.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU are not a director in the Chase Bank ?
Mr.

DAVISON. I am

not.

Mr. UNTERMYER. Whilst you were with the First National Bank it
owned the Chase Bank, did it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. N O ; it never owned the Chase Bank. The First
National Bank never owned the Chase Bank.
Mr. UNTERMYER. It owned it through Mr. Baker?
Mr. DAVISON. Mr. Baker had that interest to which he testified.
Mr.

UNTERMYER.

Yes.

Mr. DAVISON. When I was with the First National Bank; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know the interest of Messrs. Stillman,
Morgan, and Rockefeller in the City Bank? Are you familiar with
that?
Mr. DAVISON. I read in the morning paper the stockholders.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is all you know about it?
Mr. DAVISON. N O ; that is not all I know about it. I know the
interest of Morgan; that is all I know about it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is all you know. How many directors has
the Bankers' Trust Co., do you know?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it is 21; I may be mistaken.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And the Bank of Commerce?
Mr. DAVISON. The Bank of Commerce has 38 directors.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I think the Bankers' Trust has 30?
Mr. DAVISON. It may be 21 local in New York.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Has not the Bank of Commerce 40?
Mr. DAVISON. N O ; I happen to remember that the number has just
been reduced from 40 to 38.
Mr. UNTERMYER. When was it reduced from 40 to 38?
Mr. DAVISON. Within a day or two; within a few days.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who retired?
Mr. DAVISON (after examining

list). I can not recall. One of them
was Burton Ives; arid I think the other change was due to a death,
but it does not show here, and I can not say.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The Guaranty Trust has 29 directors, has it not?
Mr. DAVISON. I think so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you approve of these large directorates of
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Mr. DAVISON. NO; not generally.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not think it scatters responsibility when
it ought to be concentrated?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes: I believe it does.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. What would you consider a workable force, in
number of directors?
Mr. DAVISON. Fifteen or eighteen.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And an executive committee, say, of five?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say five or seven.
Mr. UNTERMYER. These large directorates have been brought about
principally through consolidation, have they not ?
Mr. DAVISON. They have; yes, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And the desire of the banks that were amalgamated to have representation on the new board?
Mr. DAVISON. Largely.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you negotiate the purchase of the various
banks and trust companies that were taken in by the Guaranty Trust
and the Bankers Trust?
Mr. DAVISON. DO you mean all of them?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I did
Mr. UNTERMYER. There

not.

were seven taken in all together, were

there not ?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU have it in mind.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The Bankers Trust took in two, did it not ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; that is two, and the Guaranty Trust took in the
Morton and the Fifth Avenue and the Standard. That is all. They
took in three. There were five, all told.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. I think that is right. I think there were seven
altogether, including those two.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; including the two.
Mr. UNTERMYER. With which of those did you negotiate?
Mr. DAVISON. Each one is more or less a story by itself, Mr.
Untermyer.
Mr. UNTERMYER. If it is a long story we will skip it, but if you
can tell us by naming them which of those you negotiated, we would
like to have you name them.
Mr. DAVISON. I would have to say that I did not negotiate any of
them alone.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I did not say alone. Were you concerned in
negotiating all of them?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I was concerned.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And in each instance you had a different associate ?
Mr. DAVISON. Well, that is not altogether so. I was not concerned
in the negotiations in regard to the Standard or the negotiations
•which led up to the merger of the Mercantile.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS a large part of the business in deposits of the
Bankers Trust and the Guaranty Trust made up of the deposits of
corporations whose securities have been issued by J. P. Morgan & Co.
or those affiliated with J. P. Morgan & Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO, sir.



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Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you any list showing what proportion of
their resources comes from corporations whose business you have
directed there ?
Mr. DAVISON. That question we inquired into.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you made up any statement?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And have you it with you ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know: I do not believe we have.
Mr. UNTERMYER. We would rather not have any guesses.

We
would rather have the facts.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, I have not. You did not ask for it. I looked
it up.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO ; I understand that I did not.
Mr. DAVISON. Would you like that for the record ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Unless it discloses some information that you
feel you ought not to disclose.
J. P. Morgan & Co. are not of any use to them, are they?
Mr. DAVISON. Oh, yes; I hope so.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. YOU are not a valuable alliance ?
Mr. DAVISON. On the contrary. I think we are.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you think that the assets of a national bank
should be regarded as secret, private, personal information, and not
available to depositors ?
Mr. DAVISON. No; I do not feel that very strongly. I do not see
any objection to the assets of a national bank being known.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. Do you not think they ought to be known, in justice to intending depositors ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do, if there is any desire on the part of the public
to know them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Kegardless of desire, the public have a right to
know them if they want to resort to the information 1
Mr. DAVISON. That is what I intended to state.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. SO that you would favor an amendment to the
law in that respect ?
Mr. DAVISON. I should say so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And would that also apply to publicity of the
list of stockholders?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; it would not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Why should not people dealing with a bank
know who really owns the bank?
Mr. DAVISON. Of what moment is it, really, in practice, to a man
dealing with a bank, to know who owns it—to*know where its stock is ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you think it is of no moment at all ?
Mr. DAVISON. It is inconceivable that it is of any moment in practice, from my observation and experience.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Then you think it is of no moment to the people
dealing with a bank to know whether some particular individual
dominates it and owns it?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not understand you were speaking about domination and control. I thought you were asking about stockholders.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am speaking of stock ownership. Suppose a
man owns the majority of the stock of a bank, and that he has the
power of domination and control in that way. Do you think that is
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Mr. DAVISON. I think the public would find that out if it was of
any interest to it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not think they are entitled to know ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; Mr. Untermyer. I can see an objection.
Mr. UNTERMYER. What is the objection to it ?
Mr. DAVISON. The objection to it is to posting up on your list the
stockholdings of various individuals. Men do not like to have their
private affairs all. known. A man may have 100 shares of stock,
and it is an investment he wants, and he keeps it quiet. He does
not like to have everybody know what he owns.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think that is a good and sufficient reason for
people dealing in the dark with a bank, as to the ownership of the
bank?
Mr. DAVISON. If I saw a good reason for publishing it I would
change my views.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you a devotee of the principle that character
is the thing that governs ?
Mr. DAVISON. I

am.

Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU are?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO

you not think that the character of a man,
the identity of a man, who may own control of a bank is an important factor to the public ?
Mr. DAVISON. The public always knows it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you not answer my question? Is not that
an important factor?
Mr. DAVISON. Will you repeat that question?
The stenographer repeated the question.
Mr. DAVISON. Who may own control of a bank ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I do.

I think it is inconceivable that the public would not know it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW is the public to know it if the information is
to be withheld from it and kept secret?
Mr. DAVISON. On your theory, he would know it by the conduct
of the bank.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think that w<"Ud point to the identity of
a man?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it would be very apt to.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I did not know that I had any theory. I was
trying to get yours.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, I will try and give them to you.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know how many banks and trust companies there are in the United States that have the right to lend to
a single debtor a million dollars or over ?
Mr. DAVISON. No: I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW is a committee

of Congress, or one-half of
Congress, or any other committee of any other body, to find out
whether a bank and its assets are being used improperly by people
who may dominate its affairs, without being able to go into the
affairs of that bank and determine to whom the bank is lending its
money? Will you, as a banking man, tell me how the committee



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would be able to get that information without knowing these facts
and having access to them?
Mr. DAVISON. My observation and experience. Mr. Untermyer, is
that when there is occasion to know that fact, it always is known.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is not the question, and you have not come
anywhere near answering my question. How is "this committee, or
any other committee, to be able to ascertain for itself whether a bank
is being improperly used without access to that information ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think that this committee should undertake
to ascertain that information.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Nobody has asked you that question, and with
all due respect, we are not concerned with your views on that question. I am asking you as a banking man now this committee could
ascertain the facts which Congress says it shall ascertain whether
you think it is right or not that they should be ascertained, without
access to the affairs of the bank?
Mr. DAVISON. My answer is that Congress may have said that,
but Congress has also said that the affairs of a national bank shall
not be made public, and I believe that is good law, and therefore
there is not any way until you change the law.
Mr. UNTERMYEK. There, again, we are not concerned in your views
of the law. The question is, as a banking man can you tell us how
this committee could ascertain whether a bank is being improperly
used, whether its assets are being used in a particular instance improperly, without access to the loans of that bank? Do you know
of any way ? That is the question. I have asked it four times.
Mr. DAVISON. No; I do not know of any way.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know anything about the "Western Electric Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. In a general way I know something of it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. IS it a competitor of the General Electric Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. I understand so; a very active competitor.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are Morgan & Co. bankers for the General Electric Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. The General Electric have an account with Morgan
& Co.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have made their issues of securities?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And you are their fiscal agents, are you not?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think so.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They do their banking business through you?
Mr. DAVISON. They do a great deal of banking business. We

have handled their securities. We recently handled some of their
securities.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have made all their issues for a number of
years ?
Mr. DAVISOX. That I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know of any that you have not made?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know of any that we have made, except
two issues. I think it was—one several years ago and one recently.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The question is. Do you £now of any that you
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Mr. UNTERMYER. The last that you made was in September, 1912,
•was it not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes: that is what I said.
Mr. UNTERMYER. $12,000,000?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who

was joined with you? Was it not the First
National Bank; Lee. Higginson & Co.; and. the National City Bank ?
Mr. DAVISON. It was, if it says so there.
Mr. UNTERMYER. NO, no.
Mr. DAVISON. Excuse me.

I will find out. [After examination of
papers.] Yes: it was Lee, Higginson & Co. and the First National
Bank and the National City Bank.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Were you interested in two issues of the Western
Electric Co. of first mortgage bonds—one made in January, 1910,
and one in November, 1910?
Mr. DAVISON. I have no recollection of it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. One issue of $8,750,000 made by Lee, Higginson
& Co.—do you remember anything about that?
Mr. DAVISON. I have no recollection of it whatever.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I call your attention to Exhibit No. 216, of an
issue through Lee, Higginson & Co., November. 1910, Western Electric Co. first mortgage 5 per cent bonds, in which J. P. Morgan &
Co., the Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, and the First Trust & Savings Bank were among the participants ? Do you remember anything
about that?
Mr. DAVISON. I have no recollection of it whatever. If that list
was submitted by Lee. Higginson & Co. it is undoubtedly true.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you in the habit of participating in the issues
of companies that compete with the companies for which you are
bankers or whose securities you are issuing ?
Mr. DAVISON. It would depend entirely upon the circumstances.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But you would not object to doing so, would you?
Mr. DAVISON. Not necessarily; no, sir.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU say that they are active competitors. Are
Lee, Higginson & Co. their bankers ?
Mr. DAVISON. I really do not know. I infer from what you state
that they must be.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you believe in holding companies or do you
share Mr. Schiff's view that holding companies should be prevented ?
Mr. DAVISON. I would not want to be misunderstood on this. Generally speaking, I think I have a prejudice against holding companies.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Most of the companies that your firm have organized in the industrial world have been holding companies, have they
not?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes, but
Mr. UNTERMYER. Can you name any that have not been ?
Mr. DAVISON. In that respect I would qualify my opinion.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU mean you would qualify it by excluding

those you have organized?
Mr ."DAVISON. NO: I beg your pardon; that is not my qualification,
and I was careful to state that on general principles I do not believe
in holding companies. But I believe there are conditions which
warrant them and in which that is the proper way of handling the
business.



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MONEY TEUST.

Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Will you be good enough to name any industrial
companies, of all those organized by J. P. Morgan & Co., that were
not organized as holding companies ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not familiar with the organization of the
United States Steel Corporation.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. DO you not know that that was a holding company, and is so to-day ?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU interrupted me. In practice I -will say this,
that I do not see the real difference between the entity of those subsidiaries being kept or their being merged. In that case, if I believed in combination at all. I do not see any objection to its taking
the form of a holding company rather than the form of a merger.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But, Mr. Davison, let us find out whether you
favor holding companies or whether you do not favor them, or
whether you favor them sometimes and do not favor them at other
times, or whether you have any pronounced view on the subject.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, I am saying in that instance I do not see the
difference between an actual merger and the retaining of the entity
of the subsidiary and holding it in stock.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. DO you not think that if for instance the United
States Steel Corporation had acquired, we will say, 70 per cent of
the stock of the National Tube Co.. by way of illustration, and ii
then proceeded to use the National Tube Co. as a subsidiary for making the most money for the United States Steel Corporation, there
might be many conditions under which that would have been a
great wrong to the minority stockholders?
Mr. DAVISON. I do.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. And

company ?

Mr. DAVISON. It may

is not that one of the vices of a holding
be.

Mr. UNTEBMYEB. That it may be run for the benefit of the holding
company or the parent company, rather than the sole undivided
benefit 6f the subsidiary?
Mr. DAVISON. I think that may even be the case.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. I understand that that would not apply to the
United States Steel Corporation, because they own nearly all the
stock of those companies.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; it would not apply to them if you believe in
the United States Steel Corporation as a whole. I do not see any
difference in their holding practically 100 per cent of the stock in
their control and having it merged in effect.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. DO you believe that three or four or half a dozen
men as individuals should be allowed to monopolize any industry,
or as many as they can, provided they do not happen to do it through
the medium of a holding company ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know how you can prevent it if they have
the financial ability to do it.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. As an economic question do you believe that
ought to be permitted, and have half a dozen individuals permitted
to get a complete monopoly of any industry?.
Mr. DAVISON. I have never known any case of that kind that would
not correct itself.
Mr. UNTEBMYEB. Then you do not see any objection to it as long
as it does not utilize a holding company, but they just get together




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and together own all the industries ? You see no economic objection
to that?
Mr. DAVISON. If in practice it were wrong it could not live.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU see no objection to anybody having the
right to try it on, do you?
Mr. DAVISON. Of course I see an objection to a direct endeavor to
make a monopoly, for the purpose of having a monopoly, of anything.
Mr. UNTEBMYEE. Why would you suppose they would want to
have a monopoly except to have a monopoly?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU say why would they want to have a monopoly
except to have a monopoly? Of course I would object in principle
to a plan being set forth to acquire a monopoly.
Mr. TJNTERMTER. Mr. Schiff has testified here that so long as individuals combined together he would allow them to combine to get a
monopoly in any industry, or as many as they chose to, provided
they did not do it through the operation of a holding company. Do
you agree to that view?
Mr. DAVISON. I would think
Mr. UNTEKMYER. DO you agree to that view ?
Mr. DAVISON. I have got to answer that question in my way, or I
can not answer it. I would not approve of that being accomplished,
but at the same time I know that it can not be accomplished and live.
I think these things correct themselves.
Mr. UNTEBMYEH. Let us see. Suppose, we will say, the beef packers, owning their plants individually, were permitted to combine—
you understand?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Into

one company, owning them; not having a
holding company, but owning them through one company.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. And

in the business?

suppose that they represented a monopoly

Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. YOU see no economic objection to that?
Mr. DAVISON. I would see no necessity for a law to prevent it.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. YOU would see no necessity for a law prevent-

ing it?
Mr. DAVISON. It would correct itself. It could not stand.
Mr. UNTEEMYEE. Let us see how it would correct itself. You
would let it correct itself?
Mr. DAVISON. It would; you could not stop it.
Mr. TJNTERMYER. YOU mean correct itself through what?
Mr. DAVISON. I mean it would break by reason of its character.
Mr. UNTEEMYEE. HOW long do you think it would take to break?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it would break immediately.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. YOU think it would break as soon as it was
formed ?
Mr. DAVISON. It would break in the making.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. Have you ever heard of the existence of trusts in
this country ?
Mr. DAVISON. I just have a faint recollection that I have heard
that.



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MONEY TRUST.

Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU do not think there is any such thing as a
trust, do you?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know just what you mean by trusts. Of
course, in the common acceptation, I know there are trusts.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know there are trusts and you know that the
Supreme Court of the United States have called them trusts ?
Mr. DAVISON. Exactly; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU are not opposed to them, are you ?
Mr. DAVISON. I would not say that I am not opposed to them in
the making, but I certainly was not opposed to them after they were
made. I think they are a great blessing to the country.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think they still are a great blessing?
Mr. DAVISON. Not as great as they were before they were disturbed.
Mr. UNTERMYER. But do you think the disturbance has been unwarranted and that it should be stopped ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not say unwarranted. I think it is unfortunate
for the people of the entire world.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think it has been unfortunate for the people
that the Government has attempted at all to interfere with those
trusts?
Mr. DAVISON. I am not saying that; not at all. I do not believe
in monopoly. I do not believe in oppression and I do not believe in
any other thing which is the thing you are attemptng to point out,
but it is not at all clear that you can ^ust arbitrarily say " This is
wrong and that is right." I think that is a matter that requires very
great and careful consideration.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes; but we are not generalizing quite to that
very vague extent. What I want to do is to get a concrete opinion
from you as to whether, in your judgment, it "was wrong to have
interfered with those trusts as the courts have done?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; not if they were illegal and violating the law;
of course I do not. I would not say that. I think it would have
been better, I decidedly think it would have been better, to have
approached it the other way and correct the law and put a supervision and control over them. You can not any more disintegrate those
trusts in effect and in fact than you can put this continent over on
the other side of the Pacific Ocean.
Mr. UNTERMYEK. YOU do not think they can ever be dissolved?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think they can ever be dissolved. I think
they can be, but you can not go back 20 years to the old practices, in
my judgment.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU believe, then, in a regulated monopoly ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do, decidedly. In a what ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. A regulated monopoly under a government control?
Mr. DAVISON. Generally speaking, I do not believe in monopoly.
Mr. UNTERMYER. HOW near do you believe in coming to that
monopoly ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think there is a line.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Where is the line ?
Mr. DAVISON. General experience and practice will determine that
line.
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Mr., DAVISOX. The public will determine it; the people will determine it.
Mr. UXTERMYER. HOW is a man to know when he has reached the
line?
Mr. DAVISOX. The public will intimate it to him.
Mr. UNTER3IYEH. Whom do you mean by the public ?
Mr. DAVISOX. I mean conditions.
Mr. UXTERMYER. What do you mean by that?
Mr. DAVISOX. The conditions governing and controlling?
Mr. UXTEEMYER. These are all vague and visionary terms. What
I want to know is who is to determine where the line is to be drawn?
Mr. DAVISOX. My drawing of the line for that would be very
vague, and I do not want to draw that line.
Mr. UXTERMYER. Is that the best you can do for us on this problem?
Mr. DAVISOX. Yes. It is the best I can do. If I have made myself clear, if you put any value on my opinion, I do believe decidedly
in control and regulation, but not in disintegration; but I do not
believe in monopoly.
Mr. UXTERMYER. You believe in combinations, do you not?
Mr. DAVISOX. I do; certainly.
Mr. UXTERMYER. YOU believe in combinations unrestricted?
Mr. DAVISOX. What do you mean by unrestricted ? I do not think
I do.
Mr. UXTERMYER. AS much of a combination as can be put together ?
Mr. DAVISOX. NO; I do not believe in monopoly.
Mr. UXTERMYER. What I want to know is how much competition
you think ought to be left open—what limits should be put upon
combinations ?
Mr. DAVISOX. I do not know. That is a very difficult question to
answer—whether you can sit down and say it shall be 63 per cent or
71 per cent or 49 per cent; but I think that would take care of itself.
Mr. UXTERMYER. YOU are opposed to competition, are you not?
Mr. DAVISOX. NO ; I am not.
Mr. UXTERMYER. YOU are opposed to free competition?
Mr. DAVISOX. I am opposed—I would rather have regulation

and
control than free competition.
Mr. UXTERMYER. YOU would rather have combination with regulation than uncontrolled competition?
Mr. DAVISOX. I would.
Mr. UXTERMYER. HOW recently did Morgan & Co. buy their interest in the National City Bank?
Mr. DAVISOX. Have you not a statement of that ?
Mr. UXTERMYER. I have the amount, but not the date. It does
not show the date here. That is owned bv the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co. ?
Mr. DAVISOX. Yes.
Mr. UXTERMYER. And its present value is about $6,000,000?
Mr. DAVISOX. About $6,000,000.
Mr. UXTERMYER. Can you tell us when it was acquired?
Mr. DAVISOX. I should say within three or four years. I

do not
know.
Mr. UNTBRMYER. These principal holdings in the Bank of Gommerce were acquired within a few years ?



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MONET TRUST.

Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYEE. Have

Mr. Morgan's present holdings in the First
National Bank—14,500 shares, his individual holdings—been held
by him any length of time; that is the par value, 14,500 shares ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. As a matter of fact, that is a firm holding, as
that statement shows.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. YOU mean the 14,500 shares?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. The

list of stockholders gives that 14,500 as Mr.
Morgan's individual holding.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, it may be in his name, but it belongs to the
firm, as was testified to.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have a thousand shares. That is worth
about 1025 at the last quotation ?
Mr. DAVISON. The last quotation was about that; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. How long has that 14,500 shares been held ?
Mr. DAVISON. A good many years.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. All of it?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Why, most

of it was only recently issued, was
it not?
Mr. DAVISON. AS a matter of fact, I think it was around 1904 or
1905.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. Were you familiar with that increase of stock?
Mr. DAVISON. Only in a very general way.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. YOU were there ?
Mr. DAVISON. N O ; it was farther back than that. I t was before
1902.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. YOU made an increase to ten millions ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes. It was over 10 years ago.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. DO you know what Mr. Baker did with the 40
per cent of those increased stocks ?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know

that only 60 per cent was distributed,
do you not ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; I understood it was all distributed.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Mr. Baker testified that 40 per cent of it he
kept and distributed around.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I undestand.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Not to the stockholders.
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. DO you know what he
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you here a list

did with it ?

of the assets of the First
Security Co.?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. Were you asked to produce such a list ?
Mr. DAVISON. Not to my knowledge; no.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. Were you not asked to produce a statement of
the value of the assets turned over to the First Security when it
was organized, at the time they were turned over, and their value
at the time of the last statement?
Mr. DAVISON. NO, sir; I have never been asked any question with
regard to the First Security Co.



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UNTERMYER. I think Mr. Baker was asked.
Mr. DAVISON. I was not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Suppose this committee should

1881

Mr.

determine to recommend to the House of Representatives that the great banking institutions of New York and the other four reserve cities should be
free and kept free from interrelations that are likely to result in a
community of interest, and should be made to keep entirely independent of one another, so that no officer or director of one should
be permitted to be an officer or director of another potentially competing institution, either directly or through a partner, agent, nominee, or dummy, what effect would the adoption of such a recommendation and the passage of such a law, in your judgment, have on the
method of conducting large financial transactions ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it would set us back about 25 years.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Let us see why—why the breaking up of these
interlocking directorates is going to set you back at all. Do you
not know that in other countries they are not permitted ?
Mr. DAVISON. I know nothing of the kind. Do you know it?
Mr. UNTERMYEH. One moment. Do you not know that in all the
banks of Great Britain there is but one instance in which the same
man is a director in any two institutions ?
Mr. DAVISON. And do you not know that there are only 116 banks
in the entire Great Britain ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am asking you one question and you are asking me another.
Mr. DAVISON. I am answering you.
Mr. UNTEEMYER. NO ; you are not. I am asking you whether you
know that.
Mr. DAVISON. If they only had one bank you would only have to
have one directorate.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. HOW many clearing-house banks have you in
New York?
Mr. DAVISON. I think there are 63; and there are 17 in London.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know that in all of Great Britain
there is only one instance, and that by special arrangement, in which
one man is a director in more than one institution ? Do you know it
or do you not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I know there is no occasion for that, because they are
all consolidated, and they have only 116 banks in all of Great Britain.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And in those 116 banks are there any interlocking directors?
Mr. DAVISON. That I can not tell you, but they certainly do not
need any.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are there in Germany or France ?
Mr. DAVISON. They do not need any.
Mr. U>TTERMYER. Will you answer my question?
Mr. DAVISON. And four banks in France hold 85 per cent. They
do not need any interlocking directors.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know that those four banks in France
are absolutely independent ?
Mr. DAVISON. DO I not know it?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Will you nqt answer my question ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes: I know it.
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MONEY TKUST.

Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know that the German banks are divided into independent groups?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know what you mean by independent
groups.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That they have entirely separate management,
separate directors, and that there is no identity between them ?
Mr. DAVISON. I know nothing of the kind, except that I know quite
to the contrary.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. In Germany is the same man a director in more
than one bank? Name one.
Mr. DAVISON. I am going to name one in answer to that question
There is an institution in Germany known as the Consocien, and
there are 15 directors, and those 15 directors represent all the institutions in the city of Berlin, with ramifications all through Germany.
Mr. UNTEKMYEK. DO you know that the Consocien is a single institution with branch banks ?
Mr. DAVISON. Only
Mr. UNTEKMYEK. Will you not answer my question ?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean by a single institution ?
Mr. TJNTEKMYER. It is one corporation.
Mr. DAVISON. Every corporation is one corporation.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. It is one corporation.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; it is one corporation.
Mr. UNTEHMYEB. And it has branch banks?
Mr. DAVISON. It has branch banks.
Mr. UNTERMYEB. YOU know that the English banks have branch
banks?
Mr. DAVISON. I know; about 7,000 of them.
Mr. UNTERMYRB. YOU know French banks have branch banks?
Mr. DAVISON. I do.
Mr. TJNTEKMYER. DO

you know of any one of those banks with its
branch banks—do you mow of any instance in Germany, France, or
England—in which a director is a director in any other bank? If
you do, name it.
Mr. DAVISON. I do.
Mr. UNTEKMYEB. Where?
Mr. DAVISON. The Banque de la Machine,
Mr. UNTERMYEK. Who is a director in that

in Paris.
bank who is a director in

any other bank ?
Mr. DAVISON. The directors of the Banque de la Machine are directors of all the banks.
Mr. UNTERMYER. They are only directors in their own branches?
Mr. DAVISON. Not at all; they are directors in the important banks
of the Comptoir D'Escompte, the Societe General, and the Credit
Lyonnais. Talk about consolidation, we have only started in this
country.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Do you not know that it is not permitted by law
for a man to be a director in more than one bank in France ?
Mr. DAVISON. Where; in France ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.

Mr. DAVISON. I do not know that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know anything about it?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I think I do.
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Mr. DAVISON. I got it in Paris as to France.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know the regulation as to Belgium.
Mr. DAVISON. I am not familiar with the laws of Belgium.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU speak of France; you are familiar with
France, are you not.
Mr. DAVISON. More or less.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you not know as to the Bank of France that
its charter does not permit any director to be chosen from the banking interests; that he must be chosen from the commercial and industrial classes?
Mr. DAVISON. That is very possible.
Mr. UNTEHMYER. That is right.
Mr. DAVISON. That is very possible.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know why the Bank of France excludes
bankers from its board of directors?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; I do

not.

Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know the policy of the law ?
Mr. DAVISON. Of the law?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Of the French law that excludes them ? Is it not
because they do not want them to be dealing with themselves?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not understand that they are dealing with
themselves.
Mr". UNTERMYER. HOW about the English law? Do you know
about the rule there?
Mr. DAVISON. I think I know something about it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know that under the charter of the English law bankers and brokers and bill discounters and directors of
other banks operating in England are excluded as directors?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. DO you know that law ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO; do you?
Mr. UNTERMYEH. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, it is not so—not in our interpretation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Well, it is so, and the Monetary Commission

has
so reported.
Mr. DAVISON. I beg your pardon. Baring Bros. & Co. are bankers,
according to my interpretation.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am reading from a reference book, page 8.
Mr. DAVISON. I am entirely familiar with that.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU are?
Mr. DAVISON. I am entirely familiar with it. It does exclude
" bankers," but what we call bankers they call merchants.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I refer you to Senate Document 405. Have you
ever read it—the Monetary Commission's report?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I have. But the head of the house of Baring
Bros. & Co., who are bankers, and who are doing this financing whicn
you are calling attention to, is on the board of the Bank of England,
and he is called a merchant.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am asking you as to the law in England.
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And
Mr. DAVISON. I think

I am asking you as to the Bank of Belgium.
we ought to deal with first-class powers on

this subject.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I have dealt with England and France.




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MOXEY TBUST.

Mr. DAVISON. And I have shown that we have not started in concentration as compared with them.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you in favor of further concentration ?
Mr. DAVISON. It depends upon the development of the country.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Taking the situation as it is to-day, are you in
favor of further concentration in Xew York ?
Mr. DAVISON. What do you mean by further concentration?
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have been talking about concentration. Let
us take it according to what you think you mean. Are you in favor
of further concentration in the banking interests in Xew York and
through the country?
Mr. DAVISON. I say that it depends entirely on the development of
the country. As the country has developed to-day, as it stands today, and as the requirements of commerce are, I think the resources
are sufficient to take care of it.
Mr. UNTERMTER. We are not talking about resources; we are talking of the concentration of existing resource^.
Mr. DAVISON. SO am I.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I ask

you whether you are in favor of further
concentration, and I would like you to answer that question?
Mr. DAVISON. I answer that question by saying that it depends
entirely upon the development of commerce and industry of this
country ?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Well, taking the development of commerce and
industry in this country at its present stage of development this
afternoon, are you in favor of further concentration (
Mr. DAVISON. I should say that the bank facilities in Xew York
are quite competent to take care of all the business that comes to
New York.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you in favor of further concentration ?
Mr. DAVISON. I decline to answer the question beyond what I have
answered.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU know whether you are or not ?
Mr. DAVISON. I have answered your question.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU have not "told me whether you favor further
concentration or not.
Mr. DAVISON. I have told you that I believe the bank resources of
New York are quite sufficient to-day to take care of commerce. But
if you go on and disintegrate all the business of the country I think
we can get along with less resources.
Mr. UNTEKMYER. Without scolding the law and the courts, which
it is not necessary to do at this time, will you be good enough to
tell us what the question of the resources has to do with the question of concentration of those resources ? I am asking you to tell
me by a plain answer whether you favor further concentration of
existing resources ?
Mr. DAVISON. And my answer is, not until the commerce and the
requirements of the development of the commerce and industry of
this country require it.
Mr. UNTERMYEH. If two banks, each with one hundred millions <>£
resources, get into the hands of the same man, does that increase the
resources of the country ?
Mr. DAVISON. In the'first place
Mr. UNTERMYER. Does it or not ?




MONEY TRUST.

1885

Mr. DAVISON. If they are in the hands of the same man, why do
you not merge them?
Mr. UNTERMYEK. I say, does it?
Mr. DAVISON. What is your hypothesis?
Mr. UNTERMYEH. If two banks, owned each by one man or owned
by two groups of men. get into the hands of one man or two men,
it does not increase the resources of those two men ?
Mr. DAVISON. I t certainly does not. The ownership does not
increase the resources.
Mr. UNTEBMYER. NOW. then, would the concentration and combination of all the banks in New York increase the banking resources?
Mr. DAVISON. By that one act alone?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Yes.
Mr. DAVISON. NO ; but

that act has a good deal of influence upon
other acts.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Of course if they were all concentrated with one
person, he would be better able to oppose all new competition and
extinguish it. would he not ?
Mr. DAVISON. He would have greater control and authority; yes.
Mr. UNTER3IYEK. SO that he could make these resources more
powerful than they would be in the hands of different men?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not refer to the power of resources.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Well. I do.
Mr. DAVISON. Well, I do not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I am asking the question just now. Do you not
think that it would increase the power of that man. when the resources were concentrated, over and above the power of the different
men? In other words, if these resources were concentrated, would
they not have greater power and efficacy than if they were scattered,
just like the energies of men if they were scattered?
Mr. DAVISON. N O ; I would not think so. There are only 100
cents in every dollar.
Mr. UNTERMYER. If that is so, there is not much use in concentration, is there?
Mr. DAVISON. I think there is.
Mr. UNTERMYER. If there are only 100 cents in every dollar, and
these resources scattered are just as effective as when they are concentrated, do you think there would be any use in concentration
under those circumstances?
Mr. DAVISON. I t depends upon what you mean by " effective."
Mr. UNTERMYER. Taking your meaning of effective," would there
be any difference?
Mr. DAVISON. Would there be any difference in what?.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Would those resources give greater power in the
hands of one man than if they were scattered ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it is an undeniable fact that the more the
resources of an individual increase the more he has power.
Mr. UNTERMYEK. Within what length of time has it been that J. P .
Morgan & Co. have done most of their issuing business in joint account? "Has it been within your time?
Mr. DAVISON. N O : I think it was a little before my time.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think it started a little before your time?
Mr. DAVISON. I think it started a little before my time. In fact,
the evidence shows that it did.



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MONEY TEUST.

Mr. UNTERMYER. Were you concerned in the sale by the First Security Co. of 15.000 shares of its 28.000 shares of Chase Bank stock?
Mr. DAVISON. YOU mean was I concerned in the sale?
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you take part in the sale ?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you not a director in the First Security Co. ?
Mr. DAVISON. I am.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did they sell the stock without the consent of.

the directors?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not think they did, but I personally was not
consulted in that matter.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Did you get any of the stock ?
Mr. DAVISON. I did not. but I hope I am going to get 100 shares
of it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Out of the 15,000?
Mr. DAVISON. Oujt of the 15,000.
Mr. UNTERMYER. That is all you are looking for ?
Mr. DAVISON. That is all I expect.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Who is getting the rest?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not know. Mr. Wiggin asked me one day
Mr. UNTERMYER. I say you do not know who got the rest?
Mr. DAVISON. I do not. In reply to your last question I would like
to say that J. P. Morgan & Co. and its associates in any way are not
getting any of that stock, so far as I know, with that exception.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Are you opposed to the incorporation of clearing houses?
Mr. DAVISON. I have not given quite enough thought to the subject
to answer.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you not made up your mind ?
Mr. DAVISON. NO.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you made up
Mr. DAVISON. If I were to answer

your mind ?
it now I would say I am
opposed to it. So far as my mind acts now, I am opposed to it.
Mr. UNTERMYER. Have you made up your mind ?
Mr. DAVISON. I think a voluntary association is much more effective than a forced one.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think the less legal restrictions, the better
it would be ?
Mr. DAVISON. In that character of organization; yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. If there were no laws you would be better off,
you think? "
Mr. DAVISON. We would be much better off without many.
Mr. UNTERMYER. I have no doubt; and that applies to the stock
exchange ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes; I think it would be a mistake to incorporate the
stock exchange.
Mr. UNTERMYER. And you think it would be a mistake also to
prevent a corporation, with large numbers of shareholders, from
putting their money on deposit with private bankers ?
Mr. DAVISON. Yes.
Mr. UNTERMYER. YOU think it would be a
Mr. DAVISON. I think that would be most



great mistake ?
unfortunate.

1887

MONEY TEUST.

Mr. UNTERMYEH. That is a purely impartial view ?
Mr. DAVISON. Entirely so.
At 5 o'clock p. m. the subcommittee adjourned until tomorrow,
Friday, January 24,1913, at 11 o'clock a. m.
EXHIBIT 201, JANUARY 22,

1913.

Form 040.
OFFICE OF J . S. BACHE & CO.

Bankers & Brokers, 42 Broadway, New York.
To
Please note that in compliance with your instructions we have this day sold
for your account and risk:
Quantity.

Description.

Prfce.

Time.

C o

To whom sold.

which we now confirm.
Tours, truly,

Per

^

&

J. S. BACHE & Co.,
.

It is agreed between broker and customer:
1. That all transactions are subject to the rules and customs of the New
York Stock Exchange and its clearing house.
2. That all securities from time to time carried in the customer's marginal
account, or deposited to protect the same, "may be loaned by the broker, or may
be pledged by him either separately or together with other securities, either
for the sum due thereon or for a greater sum, all without further notice to
the customer.
EXHIBIT 201A, JANTJABY 22,

1913.

Form 041.
OFFICE OF J . S. BACHE & CO.

Bankers & Brokers, 42 Broadway, New York.
To
Please note that in compliance with your instructions we have this day bought
for your account and risk:
Quantity.

Description.

Price.

Time.

OJ whom bought.

Co

^Jis'

It is agreed between broker and customer:
1. That all transactions are subject to the rules and customs of the New York
Stock Exchange and its clearing house.
2. That all securities from time to time carried in the customer's marginal
account or deposited to protect the same may be loaned by the broker or may



1888

MOXEV IKUST.

be pledged by him either separately or together with other securities, either for
the sum due thereon or for a greater sum, all without further notice to the
customer.
which we now confirm.
Tours, truly,
J. S. BACHE & Co.,

Per

EXHIBIT 201J,

JANUARY 22,

.

1913.

NATIONAL CITY BANK OF NEW YORK.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$25, 000,000
$25,000,000
917
47

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Name.

Address.

Astor \Vm Waldorf

-

New York N. Y

Fairchild Chas S
Gardiner Sarah T

Cazenovia, N. Y
New York, N. Y

Harkness Edwards

New York N. Y

Kidder Peabody & Co
Lewis FrederickE
Lewis Percy P
Morgan J P

Boston, Mass
Ridgefield,N.J
Bedford Village, N. Y.
New York, N. r

-

Morgan J P & Co

do

Phelps, Win. Walter, estate of
New York, N. Y
Prince F. H , & Co
Boston, Mass
Pyne M.Tavlor
' Princeton. N J
Pyne, M. Taylor, and Stephen S. Palmer, trustees for
do
Kate W.Winthrop.
Pyne, M TftyW, and fttAphen R, "PAltnftT, trvst«*s for
. do
Henry A. C. Tavlor.
Pyne, Percy R
Bernardsville, N. J
Rockefeller Wm
New York N Y
Russell Albertina T
Sloan, Samuel, estate ol

I Princeton, N J
Mew York, N . Y

B u r l i n g , JfthTi W
P t i l l " l ? m , TttTYWS A ,

.
....

,

Stillman, Chas. C
Sailman, Ernest G
Taylor. Henry A. C
Thompson Elizabeth
Thompson, Mary G
Thompson, Chas. G.
United States Trust Co. of New York
Watson, Emily A
Whlttell, George
Winthrop, Kate W
Woodward, William




.

.

...

,

,e\n

' ,

.^o

..

do
..do . .
Newport, R T
New York N Y

An .
.....do....:.:.:.:::.::::::::::::::::
do
do
do..
.do .

Number
of shares.
1 000
1,253
1.000
1,000
2,500
1,125
1 000
1,000
1.250
1,250
1,000
1 350
1 000
2,165
1,512
1,000
3 207
3,207
5,000
1,000
9,000
3,207
2,242
2,437
1,162
8,267
7,699
7 699
8,267
10,000
1 750
8,267
6,250
6 087
47 498
2 250
1 000
1 100
2 659
1,000
1 600
1,700
4,500
2,225
2 000
1 924
1,710

1889

MONEY TRUST.
EXHIBIT NO. 202, JANUARY 22,

1913.

CONTINENTAL-COMMERCIAL NATIONAL BANK, OF CHICAGO, ILL.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
dumber of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$21,500. uOO
$8.000,000
1. 610
42

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Address.

Name.
Allen Chas. "W. estate of
Allen'Nathan '
Armour, Mrs. Malvinft B
Black John C

Kenosha, Wis
. . . .do
Chicago, 111
do
do
do

Bntterworth, William, and Burton F. Peek, trustees
Moltae, HI
under the will of Charles H. Deere, deceased
Chicago, 111
Chap in, S. B., & Co
do
Clarke Henry B
. . . .do
Cowles Alfred
do
do
Eckhart, B. A
*.
Lafayette, Ind
New York, N. Y
Gary E. H
Chicago, 111
Harris Mrs. Eleanor S
New York, N. Y
Chicago 111
Dwight, 111
Jndd, Curtis J
King, Chas. G., and Rockwell King, as trustees of the
Chicago 111
estate of Charles B. King, deceased
Chicago 111
\\ ashmgton, I). C
do
Chicago 111
-New York, N. Y
Chicago, 111
Morse Chas. H
McElwee, Mrs. Elizabeth S
National Life Insurance Co. of United States of America.
Potter, Edwin A

Spalding, Elizabeth Clarke
Timber Loan Co
W^lkT, Mr« Jf^sift p
Wilson,M. H
.
Woodin, G. G
WTKTITI

TTnwarri A

Zeiler, ^airman & Co




do"
do
do

do
do
do
do
Glendale.Ohio
do
St. Paul, Minn
Chicago, 111
do
. . . . do
do
do

Number
of shares.
1,500
1,800
9,350
3,276
6,007
1,033
1,104
1,653
1,390
1,900
2,000
1,449
1,500
4,035
3,550
1,000
2,000
1,497
1,000
1,210
3,637
1,001
1,250
1,000
1,900
2,400
4,150
2,483
1,000
3,167
1,006
1,000
2,802
1,518
1,100
3,723
1,395
3,666
3,517
1,150
1,500
1,017

1890

MONEY TBUST.
EXHIBIT 203, JANUARY 22,

1913.

THE JFATIONAL BANK OF COMMEBCE IN NEW YOBK.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over
Morgan, J. P., listed as holding 500 shares.

$25,000,000
$10,000,000
3,030
32

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Number
of snares.

Address.

Name.
Astor William Waldorf
Baker Geo. F
Davison H. P .. ..
Equitable Life Assurance of United States
iGobdhart P J <fe Co
Hemenway, A., Morris Gray and John C. Gray, trustees of estate.
Kidder Feabody & Co
"Morgan J. P ir
Morgan J. P., <fc Co
^Morton Levi P
Mutual Lift* Tns"ranoA Co.
Nichols Edward T
Ryan, Thos. F
flaltus, J. Sanford
Sanford A H
-Sehifl, Jacob H
Smith, Harry O
.Bnyder, V. F
Thomas, Egbert E
Thomley, Frederick, jr
Twombley, H. McK
Warburg, Paul M
"Whitney, Wm. C
Whittell George.
...
Winthrop, Robert <fc Co., agents

New York, N. Y
do
do
. .do
do
do
Boston, Mass

1,000
10,600
1,100
24,700
1480
5,660
1,075

..

New York, N. Y
do
. . .do
Boston, Mass.
New York, N. Y . . . .
do ...
do
do.:
.. ..do
..do
do
do
do
do
Paris, France
New York, N. Y
do......
do
do
do
do
do::
do
do

:::

:.::

New York, N . Y

EXHIBIT 204, JANUARY 22,

:

2,010
1,215
2,000
1,176
1,100
600
7,800
1,500
17 294
4,900
1,000
1 500
3,175
6,100
4,382
1,700
1,000
1,500
1,000
1,500
1,500
1,250
3,000
1,600
1,000
4,800

1913.

THE CHASE NATIONAL BANK OF NEW YOBK, N. T.

•Capital
Surplus
•1'otal number of shareholders
^Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$6,000,000
$5,000,000
83
9

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Name.

Address.

'Baker, George F
New York, N . Y
Cannon, H. W
Hepburn, A. B
. . . do
Hin.j.j
do
..
Northern Finance Corporation
do
Thompson, Ferris S
do
Tuck, Edward
United States Trust Co. of New York, tnistoe, for Fer- New York, N. Y
ris 8. Thompson.
TVjggin, Albert H
^
.....do




.. .

Number
of shares.
28,682
1,500
1 066
1 500
1,500
6,250
1,500
1,000
1,000

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MONEY TEUST.
EXHIBIT 205, JANUARY 22,

3913.

THE MECHANICS & METALS NATIONAL BANK, OF NEW YORK. X. Y.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$6.000, 000
$6,000,000
1, 244
7

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Name.

Number
of shares.

Address.

1,500
1,000
1,647
3,000
1,000
1,000
1.000

New York, N. Y ..
do
Duluth, Minn
New York, N. Y
... do
do
..
do

Craig, W. R . . .
"Craig, jr., Robert E
Cole Thomas F
Fox, Arnold
T?.yan, .TO^Tl T>.
Rnr-tnfnller, William

Sussex Seciirieties Co

EXHIBIT 206, JANUARY 22,

1913.

THE HANOVER NATIONAL BANK OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$3,000,000
$13,000,000
398
5

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Address.

Name.

Donald, Jas. M
Rockefeller, Win

...

New York N Y
do
do
do
do

.

Woodward, William

E X H I B I T N O . 207,

JAKTJABY 22,

Number
of shares.
1,170
1,025
1,540
4,000
6,557

1913

T H E F I R S T N A T I O N A L B A N K OF CHICAGO, ILL.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$10,000,000
$10,000.000
717
23

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
i

Name.
Allerton, Saml. W
Baker,rt*M>-^
,,
Bartle'tt AdolphusC .
....
Bergquist, Grace C
Boston Sale Deposit & Trust Co., trustee under a trust
indenture made by Samuel Nickerson, dated June
13,1907.
Cumniins, T*. M
.
..
Deering Harvester Co., a copartnership




.

|

Address.

Number
of shares.

Chicago, 111
New York, N . Y
Chicago, IB.
do
Rnstrm y*s*>

1,800
1,000
1,500
1,832
1,600

Chicago, m
do
do

1,181
2,250
2,000

1&92

MONEY TBTJST.
List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or

over—Continued.
Number
of shares.

Address.

Name.

Fiist Trust & SavingsJBani, as trustee lor Catherine , Chicago, III
Barter and others under agreement dated Dec. 1, 1
1910.
First Trust &• Savings Bank, as trustee for Kate Allerdo
ton Johnstons.
First Trust & Savings Bank, as trustee under the will
do
of Otto Young, deceased.
Forga™, Ja^. Tt . ,'.
..
! ...do
Hpirifnim, M" Wary W
NewYork.N Y
TTH1, .Tftnies T ,. .'
1 St. Paul, Minn
New York N Y
Jeffery, E. T
Morris, Edward
Chicago HI
Morris, Ira N
do
Northern Trust Co., as trustee under the will of Sidney ..ido
A. Kent, deceased.
Beam. Norman B . . .
do
Rothschild, Ousta
do
do
3chw8b, Maud Morris
. .do
.
Steinam, E. S
New York, N. Y

EXHIBIT XO. 208. JANUARY 22,

2,000
1,200
1,500

—

"

1,975
1,000
1,500
1,560
4,327
1,212
1,500
1,100
1,255
1,443
1,260
1,000

1913.

THE NATIONAL SHAWMLT BANK OL" BOSTON. MASS.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$10,000,000
$5, 000,000
852
2

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Name.

Address.
Lowell, Mass
Boston, Mass

Aver, Frederick
Kjdder, Peabodv & Co

EXHIBIT NO. 209, JANTJABY 22,

Number
of shares.
1,092
1,879

1913.

THE FIB8T NATIONAL BANK OF BOSTON, MASS.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$5,000,000
5,000,000
560
13

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Address.

Name.

HomblQwer, Henry
Hunt Frank W"

Weeks.JohnW
Wing Daniel G
Winslow. Sidney W




Arlington, Mass
..do
do
West Newton, Mass
do
Orleans, Mass

Number
of shares.
1,333
1,250
1,241
1.031
1.427
1,036
3.090
1.008
1.250
2,975
1.005
1.150
2.234

MONEY T.KUST.

1893

EXHIBIT NO. 210, JANUABY 22, 1913.
THE MELLON NATIONAL BANK, PITTSBURGH, PA.

Capital-—,
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
.
Mmilier of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$6.000. 000
$1, 800.000
24
1

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Address.

Name.

Xunibei
of shares.

Pittsburgh, Pa

The Union Trust Co. of Pittsburgh

59.<Jt>0

EXHIBIT NO. 211, JANUABY 22, 1913.

Charter No. 9297.
LIST OF SHAREHOLDERS OF THE MEBCANT1LE NATIONAL BANK OF ST. LOUIS, MO.
To the CASHIER:

SIK : Please enter on this blank the names and residences of the shareholders
of your association and the number of shares held by each as shown by its books
on Monday. July 1, 1912, as required by section 5210, U. S. R. S. The list must
not be verified until July 1, 1912, and then by oath or affirmation of the cashier
or president only, as verification by other officers is not permissible under the
law. The official seal of the officer administering the oath must be affixed. If
there is not sufficient space for the names of all shareholders, continuation
sbeefs will be sent upon request.
Respectfully,

LAWRENCE O. MUBBAY,

Comptroller.
WASHINGTON, Jane 21. 1912.
Number
Residences (indicate town or city and of shares
State).
(in
figures).

Names (to be arranged alphabetically).

1 Anderson, L. E
2 Bell.JamesW
3 Brown, Paul

_

4 Butler. Jamas G
5
6 Tarter. W. V
7 Dozier, L. D
S F.ispman Duviri
Griesedieck. Henrv. ir
10 Kerens. R. C
11 Kinsella. W I
1? Moffltt, William
13 Markham, George D
14 McKittrick, Walter
15 McMillam C H
1« Mercantile Trust Co
17 Ruf, Frank A
18 Scullin, Harry
19 Srilllin Tnhn
'ft Sullivan, .Tnhri R
11 Wade, Festus J
Walker J. S
' 3 Wilson. George W
Total.

St. Louis, Mo
. . .do
do
do
... do
... do
do

do
do
St. Louis, Mo
do
do
do
do
do
....
.. do
do
do
do
do
do
. ...do
..

. .

10
10
10
10

10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10

10
10
10
14,780
10

10
10
10
IS

10
10
15,000

(Acknowledgment not to be made before July 1. 1912. and then only by the
president or cashier.)



1894

MONEY TBTJST.

The undersigned deposes and says that the foregoing Is a full and correct
list of the names and residences of all the shareholders and the number of shares
held by each in the aforesaid national bank on Monday, July 1, 1912.
EDWARD BUDEB,

Cashier of the Mercantile National Bank of St. Louis.
STATE OF MISSOURI,

City of St. Louis, ss:
Subscribed and sworn to before me this 2d day of July, 1912.
[Official seal of officer.]
THOMAS REILLEY, Notary Public.
Charter No. 9297.
List of shareholders on Monday, July 1, 1912, of the Mercantile National
Bank of St. Louis, Mo.
Capital of bank, $1,500,000.
Total number of shares, 15,000.
Par value of each share, $100.
Total number of shareholders, 23.
This paper must contain the names of the shareholders as shown by the
books of the bank on the first Monday of July. (See see. 5210, R. S.)
The oath must be administered on or after July 1 by an officer having an
official seal.

EXHIBIT NO. 212, JANUARY 22,

1913.

THE FIBST NATIONAL BANK OF NEW YOBK.

Capital
Surplus
Total number of shareholders
Number of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over

$10, 000,000
$15,000,000
593
13

List of shareholders holding 1,000 shares or over.
Name.
Baker Geo. F . . .
Baker, Geo. F., jr

Address.
New York, N. Y
do
do
do

Dodson, R. B.,and Robert Emmet, trustees forChas.
T. Garland under will ol James A. Garland.
do
Fahnestock, H. C
do
Garland, Chas. T., R. B. Dodson, and Robert Emmet,
trustees of the residuary estate of Jas. A Garland.
Garland. Cbas. T., R. B. Dodson, and Robert Emmet, . do
trustees for Louise G. Emmet under will of Jas. A.
Garland.
Hill, James J
.. .do
do
do
do
do
Thompson, Mary Clark
,
do




Number
of shares.
20,000
5,050
1 000
1,000
10,000
6 900
1,000
3,900
1,600
14,500
1 000
1,200
9,000

1895

MONEY TEUST.
EXHIBIT NO. 213, JAKUABY 22, 1913.

Syndicate transactions of First National Bank and First Security Co. from
Jan. 1, 1903, to Jan. 1, 1913.

J. P. Morgan & Co .
National City Bank
Speyer & Co
Knhn, T,nph * C,n ,

Asiel & Co
Tailer & Co
Blair & Co
Chase National Bank
Clark, Dodge & Co. .
Drexel & Co
Harvey Fisk & Sons
Lazard Freres
W S Fanshawe & Co
Kidder, Peabody & Co
Moffat & White
Lee, Higginson & Co..
Wm.A.Head&Co
White, Weld & Co

Received from—

J. P. Morgan & Co
V»Hnn»l nty

Hunt

KVlhn, T-OflT) A Co

f.hflKA NTftrinpsil Tlftnlf

Clark, Dodge & Co
Drexel&Co
Harvey Fisk & Sons
w , a FftTishawp «£- Co
T^irtdAT, P<tf\fr*y1y * Oo

Moflat & \V hite
Win. A. Read & Co
White, Weld & Co

Aggregate of
our participations in railroad issues.

$935,000,000
101.000,000
236,000,000
178.000,000
8 S75 000
20,000,000
6,100,000
10,500.000
0
8,500,000
46,000,000
25,000,000
0
4 700 000
11,000,000
2,000,000
0
9,000,000
4,000.000

1130,000,000
15,000,000
18,000,000
10,000,000
1 300 000
2,200,000
750,000
2,000,000
0
3,000,000
9,000,000
1,700,000
0
2,350,000
500,000
500,000
0
1,500,000
500,000

192.000.000
55,000.000
0
0
25,000,000
8,000,000
0
25,000,000
8,000 000
1,800,000
0
0
0
0
0
14,000,000

0
0
1.500,000
1.000,000
0
2,750,000
1,000,000
800,000
0
0
0

1,605,675,000

198,300,000

228,800,000

37,750,000

Aggregate of
industrial
issues.i

o°o

Aggregate of
Aggregate of
Aggregate of our
participa- State, municipublic-service
tions m public- pal, and Gov- 1
issues.1
service issues. ernment issues.

$368.000.000
33,000.000
20,000,000
0
(1

0
0
30,000.000
0

$30,000,000
4,600,000
500,000
0

o0
0
0

o0
o
850,000

0
0
8,200,000
0
0

0
0
0
0
500,000
0
0

479,200,000

36,450,000

0

$88 000 000
15,000,000
0
3,000.000
n
oooc

Tailer &"Co
Blair & Co

Aggregate of
our participations in industrial issues.

Aggregate ol
railroad issues.1

OOOO

Received from—

0
0
0
00
0
0
0
0

$21,000,000
6,000,000
0
0

o

0
3.700,000.

Aggregate ot
our participations in Statev
municipal, and
Government
issues.
$4 500,000
2.600,000
9>
860,000
0
0
0
0
1,400,000
»
0
0
0
0
0
0
0

0

0
0

115,000.000

9,360,000

1
This amount indicates the par value of securities issued in which, in many cases, theie were associates
otter than those from whom we received the participation.




1896

MONET IRUSI.
Original purchases by First National Bank.
Aggregate of
Issue.

Publicly associated with us m the
issue.

Date

Description.

May 1,1903
Maf. 8,1911
Fab. 10,1911

American Cotton Oil four-and-a-halfs
American Cotton Oil fives
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy gen-

112,000,000
5,000,000
8,000,000

None.
White, Weld * Co.
None.

Chinchow Ry. o per cent loan

40,000,000

Joint purchase with J. P. Morgan &
Co., National City Bank, and
Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
Do.

Chinese currency reform 5 per cent

50,000,000

Feb. 39.1912

Chinese Government reorganization

3,025,000

None.

Sept. 23,1911

Colorado & Southern ref. and ext.

1.000,000

None.

Ian. 18,1911

Delaware & Hudson refunding fours.

6.000,000

Joint purchase with Kuhn, Loeb &

JUlV 1,1905
Oct 10,1911
May 26,1911

General Rubber four-and-a-halfs
.do... .
Great Northern Ry. 1st and ref. four-

6,000,000
2,900,000
20,000,000

None.
None.
J. P. Morgan & Co.; National City

Hukuang Railways fives

30,000,000

Joint purchase with J. P. Morgan &
Co., National City Bank, and
Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
3,900,000 None.
65,500,000 Joint purchase with J. P. Morgan &
Co.: National City Bank.
4,175,000 None.

Apr 5,1910
Nov. 1,1907
Sept. 28,1<)11

Indianapolis Water Syndicate
New York Citv revenue sixes

Deo. 14,1903

Terminal Railroad Association, St.
Louis, sixes.
United States Rubber Co. fives
United States Rubber Co. 18-month
fives.
United States Rubber Co. coll. sixes.

May 16,1904
Mar. 17,1908
Nov. 37,1908

Rock Island Improvement Co. four-

4,500,000

None.

3.000,000
S,000,000

None.
J. P. Morgan & Co..Blair & Co.; KWder, Peabody & Co.
Public offering made by Kidder, Peabody & Co. and J. & W. SeUgman
&Co.

15,000,000
283,000,000

Securities which have been publicly offered by us either alone or in conjunction
with others and the names of those publicly associated in the issue, Jan.
1, 1908, to Jan. 1, 1913.
Bate.

Securities.

Aggregate
amount of
issue.

Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe California- $17,000,000 | J. P. Morgan & Co. and Nationa City
Arizona lines four-and-a-halfs.
Bank.'
Atchison, Topeka & Santa Feconv. fours. 28,358,000
Do.i1
do
43,686,000
Do.
Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe California18,300,000
Do.i
Arizona lines fours-and-a-halfs.
4,300,000
1909 Atlantic Coast Line cons, fours
Do.i
3,000,000
1911 Atlantic Coast Line unified fours
Do.'
16,000,000 J. P. Morgan & Co.; Lee Hjgginson &
1908 Chicago, Burlington & Quincy general
fours,
Co.; National City Bank.
1909
do
15 000,000
Do
1906 Erie R. R. 6 months' loan
5,000,000 '
Do.
12 500,000 J. P. Morgan
1911 Erie R. R. 3-year sixes .
& Co.; National City Bank. *
1911 Erie R. R. 3-vear fives
4 550,000 .
Do.1l
do
1912
10 000,000
Do
1909 Florida East Coast four-and-a-halls
10,000,000
Do."
1912 General Electric deb. fives
10,000,000 J. P. Morgan & Co.; National City Bank:
1908

1909
1910
1912

1912
1906
1909

International Harvester 3-year fives
Louisville & Nashville A. K. C. fours...
Louisville & Nashville coll. fours syndi-

15,000,000
10,000,000
29,864,000

1911
1908
1910
1911
1912

Louisvttle <t Nashville A. K. C. foure . . .
New York Central 30-year deb. fours
New York Central lines equipment four-

10,000,000
13,000,000
7,500,000

anri-A-hAtfc 1910

J. P. Morgan* Co.; National City Bank.'
J. P. Morgan & Co.'
J. P. Morgan & Co.; National City Bank.'
Do.>
Do.'
Do.

New York Central 3-vear four-and-a-halfs
5,000,000
Do.
....do
15,000,000
Do.
• Included among the total syndicate transactions furnished in conjunction with this schedule.




1897

MONEV TRUST.

Securities which have been publicly offered by us either alone or in conjunction
with others and the names of those publicly associated in the issue Jan. 1
1903, to Jan. 1, 191S—Continued.

Date.

Securities.

1912
1912
1912
1912
1912
1911
1909
1910
1912
1910
1910

New York Centrall-year four-and-a-halfs

1911
1912
1912
1903
1908
1910

Aggregate
amount of
issue.
$2,000,000

Merchants Despatch trans, eq
1,050,000
2,000,000
New York Central 1-year four-and-a-halfs
2,000,000
New York Central 1-year fives
5,000,000
New York Central 3-year four-and-a-halfs
15,000,000
New York Central lines equipment, 1912.
7,634,000
Michigan Central deb. fours
•50,000,000
Michigan Central 1-year fives
4,000,000
Michigan Central 1-year fours
1,500,000
Grand River Valley fours
8,500,000
Lake Shore & Michigan Southern 1-year
do
•60,000,000
25,000,000
do
>1 400,000
do
40,000,000
Lake Shore & Michigan Southern deb.
fours.
15,150,000
Chicago, Indiana & Southern fours
15,000,000
Lake Shore & Michigan Southern deb.

J. F . Morgan & Co.; National City Bank.
Do.
Do.
Do.1
Do.
Do.1
Do.
Do.
Do.
Do.
Do.
Do.
Do.
Do. 1
Do.
Do.
Do.

lours, lVoi.

Do.1

Detroit Terminal & Tunnel four-and-a- 14,000,000
11,000,000
Jamestown, Franklin & Clearfield first
fours.
1910 Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. 50,000,000
1911

Do.

1910

1911

i^ouis ueo. IOUIO.

1912
1912
1912
1911

Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St.
Louis deb. four-and-a-halfs.
New York, New Haven & Hartford 1year fours.
Central New England first fours
New York, Westchester & Boston fourand-a-halfs.
do
Maine Central 1-vear fours
Boston & Maine 1-year notes
Beading Co. general fours

1905
1905
1905
1909
19091908

Southern Railway 5 per cent loan
Southern Railway 5 per cent notes
Southern Railway cons, fives
Southern Railway general fours
Southern Railway cons, fives
United States Rubber Co. fives

1912
1911
1911

11,927,000
17,200,000

J. P. Morgan & Co.; National
City Bank;
Lee, Higginson & Co.1
J. P. Morgan & Co.; National City Bank.1
Do.1
Do.
Do.
Do.

2,000,000
12,000,000
12,000,000
18,811,000

J. P. Morgan & Co-.; National City Bank;

2,000,000
2,750,000
2,000,000
15,000,000
5,000,000
8,000,000

J. P. Morgan & Co.1
Do.
Do.
J. P. Morgan
& Co; National City Bank.
Do.1
J. P . Morgan <St Co.; Blair & Co.; Kidder,

15,000,000
Indiana Steelfirstfives
10,000,000
National Tube first fives
5,500,000
Illinois Steel deb. four-and-a-halfs
Argentine Government 5 per cent loan.. 1 »2,000,000
»
2,000,000
State of San Paulo fives
5,000,000
American Cotton Oil fives
8,000,000
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy general
fours.
20,000,000
1911 Great Northern first and ref. four-an d-«fourtns.
30,000,000
Hukuang Railways fives

New York City revenue sixes

Do.

5,000,000
30,000,000

1912
1912
1912
1909
1908
1911
1911

1910

Do.1

65,500,000

•t eawouy oi \JQ.L

J. P. Morgan
& Co.; National City Bank.'
Do.11
Do.1
Do.
National City Bank;1 J. P. Morgan & Co.i
White,1 Weld & Co.
None.
J. P. Morgan & Co.; National City Bank.1
Joint purchase with J. P. Morgan & Co.;1
National Ci*y Bank; Kuhrt, Loeb & Co.
Joint purchase with J. F. Morgan & Co.;
National City Bank.'

1
Included among the total syndicate transactions furnished in conjunction with this schedule.
* Francs.
• Pounds.

EXHIBIT XO. 214, JANUARY 22, 1913.

Corporations in which an officer or director of the First National Bank is a
voting trustee, together with cotrustees.
Southern Railway Co. :
J. P. Morgan,1 Cnas. Lanier, Geo. F. Baker.
W B . Cramp Ship & Engine Building Co.:
E. T. Stotesbury,1 Geo. F. Baer, Geo. F. Baker.
1


71352—PT 25—13


Member of firm of J. P. Morgan & Co.
7

1898

MONEY IBITST.

Guaranty Trust Co. :
Geo. F. Baker, H. P. Davison,1 Wm. H. Porter.1
Chicago Grent Western Railway C6.:
J. P. Morgan,1 Geo. F. Baker, Eobt. Fleming.
J. I. Case Threshing Machine Co. :
F. K. Bull, Francis L. Hine. William E. Black.

EXHIBIT NO. 215,

JANTJABY 22,

1913.

ANSWER TO NO. 1.

A list of the-various interstate corporations the securities of which have been
purchased, sold, or underwritten by Lee. Higginson & Co., from 1907 to tli^
present time:
American Agricultural Chemical Co.
American Smelting & Refining Co.
American Smelters Securities Co.
American Telephone & Telegraph Co.
American Woolen Co.
Armour & Co.
Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Kailway Co.
Atlantic Const Line Railroad Co.
Baldwin Locomotive Works.
Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Co.
Boston & Lowell Railroad Corporation.
Boston & Maine Railroad.
Boston «fe New York Railroad Co.
Calumet & Hecla Mining Co.
Central New England Railway Co.
Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co.
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad Co.
Chicago Great Western Kailway Co.
Chicago, Indiana & Southern Railroad Co.
Chicago, Milwaukee & Pnget Sound Railway Co.
Chicago. Rock Island & Pacific Railway Co.
Chicago Telephone Co.
Chicago & North Western Railway Co.
Chicago & Western Indiana Railroad Co.
Concord & Montreal Railroad Co.
Cudahy Packing Co. •
Cumberland Telephone & Telegraph Co.
Detroit United Railway Co.
Duluth, Missabe & Northern Railway Co.
Eastern Pennsylvania Power Co.
Eastern Railway Co., of Minnesota.
Erie Railroad Co.
Fitchburg Railroad Co.
General Electric Co.
General Motors Co.
Great Northern Railway Co.
Hilton-Dodge Lumber Co.
Hudson & Manhattan Railroad Co.
Illinois Steel Co.
Indiana Steel Co.
International Harvester Co.
Iroquois Iron Co.
Jones & Laughlin Steel Co.
Kanawha & Michigan Railway Co.
Kansas City Terminal Railway Co.
Kansas City Viaduct & Terminal Railway Co.
Louisville & Nashville Railroad Co.
Lowell Machine Shop.




1

Memher of the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co.

MONEY TBUST.

1899

Mahoning & Shenango Railway & Light Co.
Maine Central Railroad Co.
W. H. McElwain Co.
Metropolitan Street Railway Co. (Kansas City).
Michigan Central Railway Co.
Milwaukee, Sparta & North Western Railway Co.
Minneapolis, St. Paul & Sault Ste. Marie Railway Co,
Missouri, Kansas & Texas Railway Co.
Missouri Pacific Railway Co.
National Tnbe Co. (The).
New England Telephone & Telegraph Co.
New York Central & Hudson River Railroad Co.
New York, Chicago & St. Louis Railroad Co.
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co.
New York Tanning Extract Co.
New York Telephone Co.
New York, Westchester & Boston Railway Co.
Nipe Bay Co.
Norcross Bros. Co.
Norfolk & Western Railway Co.
Oregon-Washington Railroad & Navigation Co.
Pacific Telephone & Telegraph Co.
Pennsylvania Co.
Pittsburgh, Lake Brie & West Virginia Railroad Co. (See Baltimore &
Ohio Railroad Co.)
Portland & Ogdensburg Railway Co.
Portland Railway, Light & Power Co.
Reed-Prentice Co.
Richmond-Washington Co.
St. Louis & San Francisco Railway Co.
Southern Pacific Co.
Southern Railway Co.
Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis.
Terre Haute. Indianapolis & Eastern Traction Co.
Texas Co.
Onion Bag & Paper Co.
Union Steel Co.
United Fruit Co.
United States Smelting, Refining & Mining Co.
Virginian Railway Co. (The)
Wabash Railroad Co.
Western Electric Co.
Western Pacific Railway Co.
Western Telephone & Telegraph Co.
This inquiry is understood to cover dealings in blocks of bonds or shares as
issued by such corporations.
The answer does not include purchases or sales by the firm of Lee, Higginson
& Co. in the course of its business, of bonds and snares after they have been
issued and come upon the market.
Directorships held by members of the firm of Lee, Higginson & Co. in corporations named in the answer to Question No. 1.
Mr. Henry L. Higginson:
American Telephone & Telegraph Co.
General Electric Co.
Mr. Gardiner M. Lane:
American Agricultural Chemical Co.
Louisville & Nashville Railroad Co.
United States Steel Corporation.
Mr. James J. Storrow:
General Motors Co. (Also voting trustee.)
Nipe Bay Co.
United Fruit Co.
U. S. Smelting, Refining & Mining Co.
The firm of Lee, Higginson & Co. has no other relations to such corporations
except as stated in answer to Question No. 3.



1900

MONEY TBUST.
UENEBAJL MOTORS CO.

[Owners of stock in General Motors Co. and James X. Wallace, Frederick Strauss,
James J. Storrovr, William (_'. Durant, and Anthony N. Brady, voting trustees.]

Agreement.
IDated Oct. 1, 1910.]

This agreement, made in the city of New York, the 1st day of October, 1910,
by and between such owners of stock, preferred or common, in General Motors
Co. as may become parties to this agreement in the manner hereinafter provided (hereinafter termed stockholders), parties of the first part, and James
N. Wallace, Frederick Strauss, James J. Storrow, William C. Durant, and
Anthony N. Brady (hereinafter called the voting trustees), parties of the
second part, vvitnesseth as follows:
Whereas the General Motors Co. has been organized under the laws of the
State of New Jersey with an authorized capital stock of $60,000,000 divided
into 600,000 shares of $100 each, of which stock to the amount of $20,000,000
if preferred stock and stock to the amount of $40,000,000 is common stock, and
of said preferred stock, stock to the amount of $17.S35,400 has been issued,
and of said common stock, stock to the amount of $20,374,030 has been issued;
and
Whereas said General Motors Co. has authorized the issue of its 6 per cent
first lien five year linking fund gold notes to be dated October 1, 1910, to be
payable October 1, 1915. to bear interest at the rate of 6 per cent per annum,
payable semiannual^' on the first days of April and October in each year and
to be secured by a deed of trust to Central Trust Co. of New York, as trustee;
and
Whereas, as additional protection to said notes and to induce the purchase
thereof, the stockholders desire, and have agreed, further to secure the payment of said notes by the transfer and delivery to the voting trustees under the
terms of this agreement, of the shares held by them of the capital stock of
the General Motors Co.. the certificates for said shares to be held and disposed of by the voting trustees under and pursuant to the terms and conditions
hereof; Now, therefore, in consideration of the premises:
First. Any owner of fully paid stock of the General Motors Co., preferred or
common, may at any time become a party to this agreement by transferring
to the voting trustees the stock held by him and delivering to the voting trustees
the certificates, expressed to be i'nlly paid, for said stock, duly indorsed in
blank or accompanied by proper instruments of assignment and transfer thereof,
in blank duly executed, and in either case, properly stamped for transfer and
accepting in respect thereof a certificate or certificates issued under this
agreement. Such transfer and delivery of stock and acceptance of a certificate
issued under this agreement shall have the same force and effect as though
such stockholder had in fact subscribed this agreement under seal.
Second. The voting trustees do agree with the stockholders, and with each
and every holder of certificates issued as hereinafter provided, that, from time
to time, upon request, they will cause to be issued to the stockholders, or upon
their order, in respect of all stock so transferred to the voting trustees and so
by them received from the stockholders, certificates in substantially the following form:
[Preferred stock trust certificate.]
This is to certify that, as hereinafter provided,
will be entitled
to receive a certificate or certificates, expressed to be fully paid, for
shares of $100 each in the preferred capital stock of the General Motors Co.,
and in the meantime to receive payments equal to the cash dividends, if any,
collected by the undersigned voting trustees upon a like number of such shares
standing in their names. Until after the actual delivery of such certificates, the
voting trustees shall possess, in respect of any and all such stock, and shall be
entitled to exercise all rights of every name and nature, including the right to
vote for every purpose and to consent to any corporate act of said General
Motors Co.: it being expressly stipulated that no voting right passes by or
under this certificate, or by or under any agreement, expressed or implied.
This certificate is issued pursuant to, and is subject to the terms and conditions of, a certain agreement dated the 1st day of October, 1910. by and between
owners of stock, preferred or common, in the General Motors Co., and James N.



MONEY TKTJST.

1901

Wallace. Frederick Strauss. James J. Storrow, William C. Durant, and Anthony
N. Brady, voting trustees.
No stock certificates shall be due or deliverable hereunder before the 1st day
of October, 1915, nor until the expiration of such further period, If any, as
shall elapse before the General Motors Co. shall have paid all its 6 per cent
first lien five-year sinking fund gold notes at any time issued under its deed
of trust dated as of October 1. 1910, made to Central Trust Co. of New York,
trustee. The voting trustees may, however, make earlier delivery at any time
in their absolute discretion.
This certificate is transferable only on the books of the voting trustees by the
registered holder, either in person or by attorney duly authorized, on surrender
hereof; and until so transferred, the voting trustees may treat the registered
holder as owner hereof for all purposes whatsoever, except that delivery of
stock certificates hereunder shall not be made without the surrender hereof.
This certificate is not valid unless duly signed on behalf of the undersigned
voting trustees by Central Trust Co. of New York, their agent, and also registered by the Columbia Trust Co.. as registrar.
In witness whereof, said voting trustees have caused this certificate to be
signed by Central Trust Co. of New York, their duly authorized agent for that
purpose, this
day of
, 19—.
JAMES N. WALLACE,
FREDERICK STRAUSS,
JAMES J. STOEKOW,
WILLIAM C. DURANT,
ANTHONY N. BRADY,

By

,

Voting Trustees,

CENTRAL TRUST CO. OF NEW YORK,

Registered this

day of

Vice President.

, 19—.

THE COLUMBIA TRUST CO.,

Registrar,

gy
[Common Stock Trust Certificate.]

Vice President.

This is to certify that, as hereinafter provided.
•—- will be entitled
to receive a certificate or certificates, expressed to be fully paid, for
•
shares of $100 each, in the common capital stock of the General Motors Co.,
and in the meantime to receive payments equal to the cash dividends, if any,
collected by the undersigned voting trustees upon a like number of such shares
standing in their names. Until after the actual delivery of such certificates,
the voting trustees shall possess, in respect of any and all such stock, and shall
be entitled to exercise, all rights of every name and nature, including the
right to vote for every purpose and to consent to any corporate act of said
General Motors Co.: it being expressly stipulated that no voting right passes
by or under this certificate, or by or under any agreement, expressed or implied.
This certificate is issued pursuant to, and is sub.iect to the terms and conditions of, a certain agreement dated the 1st doy of October, 1910, by and between owners of stock, preferred or common, in the General Motors Co.. and
James N. Wallace, Frederick Strauss, James J. Storrow. William C. Durant, and
Anthony N. Brady, voting trustees.
No stock certificates shall be due or deliverable hereunder before the 1st day
of October, 1915, nor until the expiration of such further period, if any. as shall
elapse before the General Motors Co. shall have paid all its 6 per cent first lien
five-year sinking fund gold notes at any time issued under its deed of trust
dated as of October 1, 1910. made to Central Trust Co of New York, trustee.
The voting trustees may, however, make earlier delivery at any time in their
absolute discretion.
This certificate is transferable only on the books of the voting trustees by
the registered holder, either in person or by attorney duly authorized, on surrender hereof; and until so transferred, the voting trustees may treat the registered holder as owner hereof for all purposes whatsoever, except that delivery
of stock certificates hereunder shall not be made without the surrender hereof.
This certificate is not valid unless duly signed on behalf of the undersigned
voting trustees by Central Trust Co. of New York, their agent, and also registered by the Columbia Trust 00 as registrar.



1902

MONEY IBUST.

In witness whereof, said voting trustees have called this certificate to be
signed by Central Trust Co. of New York, their duly authorized agent for that
purpose, this
day of
, 19—.
JAMES X. WALLACE,
FREDERICK STRAUSS,
JAMES J. SIORBOW,
WILLIAM C. DUBANT,
ANTHONY N. BRADY,

Voting Trustees.
By

.
CENTRAL TRUST CO. OF NEW YORK,

Vice President.
Registered this

day of

, 19—.
THE COLUMBIA TRUST CO.,

Registrar.
By
Vice President.
Third. On the 1st day of October, 1015, if the General Motors Co. shall then
have paid all its 6 per cent first lien five-year sinking fund gold notes at any
time issued under its deed of trust dated Ocober 1, 1910, made to Central Trust
Co. of New York, or, if not, then as soon as all said notes shall have been so
paid, or whenever, earlier, the voting trustees shall decide to make such delivery, the voting trustees in exchange for, and upon surrender of, any stock
trust certificate then outstanding, will, in accordance with the terms thereof,
and oa payment, if the voting .trustees shall so require, of a sum sufficient to
reimburse them for any stamp tax or other governmental charge in connection
with such delivery, deliver, at their office or agency in the borough of Manhattan in the city of New York, certificates of stock of the General Motors Ob.,
and may require the holders of stock trust certificates to exchange them for
certificates of capital stock. Whenever, pursuant to the foregoing provisions
of this article, certificates for capital stock of the General Motors Co. shall become deliverable, or at any time thereafter, the votjng trustees may deposit
with Central Trust Co. of New York, or other trust company in good standing
having an office in the borough of Manhattan in the city of Xew York, stock
certificates, duly indorsed in blank or accompanied by proper instruments of
assignment and transfer in blank, duly executed, to a par amount, of each
class of said stock, equal to the amount of stock called for by the outstanding
stock trust certificates for such class of stock, with authority to such depositary
to make delivery thereof in exchange for stock trust certificates, and thereupon
all further obligation or duty of the voting trustees under this agreement shall
terminate.
Fourth. If, prior to the delivery pursuant to article third, of certificates of
stock of the General Motors Co. in exchange for stock trust certificates, or the
deposit pursuant to article third of stock certificates for the purpose of such
delivery, any dividend on the stock of the General Motors Co. of either class,
shall be declared and paid or distributed in fully paid stock of said General
Motors Co., the respective holders of stock trust certificates calling for stock of
the class on which such stock dividend shall be so declared and paid or distributed, shall be entitled to the delivery of proper stock trust certificates
issued under this agreement for stock to the amount received by the voting
trustees, as such dividend, upon a like number of such shares standing in the
names of the voting trustees. The voting trustees sball not. in any event, be
required, in respect of any such dividend in stock, to deliver stock trust certificates calling for a fraction of a share, but may. in lieu thereof, deliver, in respect of fractional interests, scrip in such form as the voting trustees may, in
their uncontrolled discretion, determine.
Fifth. Any voting trustee may it any time resign by delivering to the other
voting trustees at the office of the agent of votiug trustees for the transfer of
stock trust certificates in writing his resignation, to take effect 10 days thereafter, and in every case of death, resignation, or the inability of any voting
trustee to act, the vacancy so occurring shall be filled by the appointment of
a successor or successors, to be made by a majority of the other voting trustees
by a written instrument. The term votiug trustees as used herein and in said
stock trust certificates shall apply to the parties of the second part and their
successors hereunder. Notwithstanding any change in the voting trustees, the
voting trustees for the time being mav nlopt ami issue stock trusr certificates



MONEY TBUST.

1903

in the names of the original voting trustees, the parties hereto of the second
part.
Sixth. The action of a majority of the voting trustees expressed from time
to time at a meeting shall, except as otherwise herein stated, constitute the action of the voting trustees and have the same effect as If assented to by all.
At any meeting of the voting trustees any voting trustee may vote in person
or by proxy to any other voting trustee. The voting trustees may adopt their
own rules of procedure. Any voting trustee may act us a dliector or officer
of the General Hotors Co., or of any subsidiary or controlled company; and
he, or any firm of which he may be a member, or any corporation of which he
may be a stockholder, director, or officer, may contract with siii<l General
Motors Co. or any subsidiary or controlled company, or be or become pecuniarily
interested in any matter or transaction to which said General Motors Co. or
any subsidiary or controlled company may be a party, or in which it may in
any way be concerned, as fully as though he were not a voting trustee.
Seventh. In voting the stock held by them (which they may do either in person or by proxy to any one or more of them or to any other person or persons),
the voting trnstees will exercise their best judgment from time to time to select
suitable directors, to the end that the affairs of the General Motors Co. shall
be properly managed, and, in voting and in acting on other matters which may
come before them at any stockholders' meeting, will exercise like judgment;
but they assume no responsibiliy in respect to such management or in respect
of any action taken by them or in pursuance of their consent thereto as such
stockholders, or pursuant to their votes so cast, and no vo.titig trustee incurs
any responsibility by reason of any error of law or of any matter or thing done
or omitted under this agreement, except for his own individual nialfe.ismce.
Eighth. The voting trustees possess, and shall be entitled, in their discretion
to exercise, all rights and powers of absolute owners of said stock including
the right to vote for every purpose and to consent to any corporate act of said
General Motors Co. The voting trustees will not, however, during the pendency
of this agreement, vote in respect of the shares of the capital stock of said
General Motors Co. held by them, to authorize any increase in the amount of
the preferred stock of said General Motors Co. at present authorized, viz:
$20,000,000, except with the consent, given at a meeting called by the voting
trustees for the purpose, of holders of a majority of such part of the trust
certificates for each class of stock of said company as shall be represented at
such meeting, the holders of -each class of trust certificates voting separately
and either in person or by proxy; and the voting trustees will not, during the
pendency of this agreement, vote in respect of the shares of the stock of said
General Motors Co. held by Oiem, to authorize any increase in the amount of
the common stock of said General Motors Co. at present authorized, viz.
$40,000,000, except with the consent, given at a meeting called by the voting
trustees for the purpose, of the holders of a majority of such part of the trust
certificates for the common stock of said company as shall be represented at
such meeting; the holders of such trust certificates voting either in person or
by proxy.
Ninth. All notices to be given to the holders of trust certificates hereunder
shall be inserted in two daily papers of general circulation published in the
City of New York, and in a daily paper of general circulation published in the
City of Boston, Mass., twice in each week for four successive weeks. Any call
or notice whatsoever, when so published by the voting trustees, shall be taken
and considered as though personally served on all parties hereto, including the
holders of said trust certificates, and upon all parties becoming bound hereby
as of the respective dates of insertion thereof, and such publication shall be
the only notice required to be given under any provision of this agreement.
Tenth. This agreement may be simultaneously executed in several counterparts, each of which, so executed, shall be deemed to be an original; and such
counterparts shall together constitute but one and the same instrument.
In witness whereof, the voting trustees, the parties of the second part, have
hereunto set their hands and seals in the City of New York the day and year
first hereinabove mentioned, and the parties of the first part have transferred
and delivered their stock and accepted certificates issued under this agreement.




JAMES N. WALLACE,
FBEDEBICK STRAUSS,
JAMES J. STOBBOW,
W. C. DUBANT,
ANTHONY N. BEADY,

Voting Trustees.

1904

MONEY TBUST.
AUSWEKS jo

Xo.

3.

The firm of Lee, Higginsoii & Co. has not acteu as banker, fiscal agent, o;
depositary of the funds of the corporations referred to in Question No. 3 except as follows:
1. The coupons of the following issues of bonds are paid at the office of
Lee, Higginson & Co. (the funds for such payments are received approximately
at the time when the coupons are due and are paid out as the coupons are
presented):
American Agricultural Chemical Co. First mortgage 5 per cent convertible gold bonds, dated October 1, 1908. and due October 1, 1928.
Cudahy Packing Co. First mortgage 5 per cent gold bonds, dated May 1,
1909, and due May 1. 1924.
Iroquois Iron Co. Firsf mortgage 5 per cent gold bonds, dated December
1, 1909. and due 1912 to 1929, inclusive.
Kansas City Terminal Railway Co. First mortgage 4 per cent gold bonds,
dated January 3, 1910, and due January 1, 1960.
Portland Railway. Light & Power Co. (Oregon). First and refunding
mortgage 5 per cent sinking fund bonds, dated February 1, 1912, and
due February 1, 1942.
Wabash Railroad Co. Equipment 4J per cent bonds, Series C, dated July
1. 1906, and due January, 1907. to July, 1916, inclusive.
Lee, Higginson & Co., formerly paid the coupons of—
Eastern Railway Co. of Minnesota. Twenty-year 5 per cent coupon bonds,
dated April 2, 1888, and due April 1, 1908.
la. The principal of the following issue of bonds is paid at the office of Lee,
Higginson & Co. (the funds for such payments are received approximately at
the time when the bonds are due and are paid out ns the bonds are presented) :
Wabash Railroad Co. Equipment 4J per cent bonds, series C, dated July 1,
1906, and due January 1, 1907, to July 1, 1916, inclusive.
2. In a few cases where bonds have been purchased by the firm of Lee.
Higginson & Co., the proceeds have been passed to the credit of the corporation
issuing the bonds, subject to its call. Issues when this was done are as follows:
Iroquois Iron Co.
Kansas City Terminal Railway Co. (See p. 6.)
New York Tanning Extract Co.
Portland Railway, Light & Power Co.
A statement of amounts on deposit, at the credit of each of these corporations, at specified dates, follows:
IROQUOIS IRON CO.

Credit.

Jan. 31, 1910
Feb. 28, 1910
Mar. 31, 1910
Apr. 30, 1910
May 31, 1910
June 30, 1910.
July 31, 1910
Aug. 31, 1910
Sept 30, 1910

$1,070,099.64
1,070,090.64
1,078,263.76
1,077,322.82
1,077,322.82
1,077,411.00
1, 072,754.71
987,319.93
908.295.25

Credit.

Oct. 31, 1910
Xov. 30, 1910
Dee. 31, 1910
Mar. 31. 1911
June 30, 1911
Sept. 30, 1911
Dec. 30, 1911
Mar. 30,1912
June 29, 1912.

$807,909.15
666,580.04
577,151.18
241,161.77
Even.
213, 900.82
167,445. 29
119,380.20
43,221. 32

Account closed in September, 1912.
Interest on the account was allowed at the rate of 3 per cent per annum
STEW YORK TANNING EXTRACT CO.

Credit

June 30, 1911
July 31, 1911
Aug. 31, 1911

$900,000.00
746,317.38
746,317.73

Credit.

Sept. 30, 1911
Oct. 31, 1911
Nov. 30, 1911

$750,337.13
751, 587.69
752,79^.58

Account closed in December, 1911.
Interest on the account was allowed at the rnte of 2 per cent per annum.



MONEY IBTJST.

1905

POBTLAlfrD BAILWAY, LIGHT & POW KB CO.

(Portland, Oreg.).
Credit.

Feb. 29, 1912
Mar. 30, 1912
Account closed In April, 1912.

$2,221,875.00
8,564.47

Interest on the account was allowed at the rate of 2 per cent per annum
pending delivery of bonds.
KANSAS CITY TERMINAL BAILWAY CO.

3. In the case of the issues of Kansas City Terminal Railway 4 per cent
bonds, due in 1960, the proceeds of the bonds passed to the credit of the Kansas
City Terminal Railway Co., were deposited in approximately equal shares with
the firm of Lee, Higginson & Co., with the firm of J. P. Morgan & Co., and with
the Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, of Chicago, subject to call by the Kansas
City Terminal Railway Co. and with an allowance of 3 per cent interest.
A statement of the total amounts so left on deposit is as follows:
(Approximately one-third of the following amounts were on deposit with Lee,
Higgiuscm & Co.)
Credit.

Mar. 31, 1910
Apr. 30, 1910
May 31, 1910
June 30, 1910
July 31, 1910
Aug. 31, 1910
Sept. 30, 1910
Oct. 31, 1910
Nov. 30, 1910
Dec. 31, 1910
Jan. 31, 1911
Feb. 28, 1911
Mar. 31, 1911

$5,428,460.67
3,155,264. 83
2, 555,264. 83
1,254,518.39
1,254, 518. 39
1,254, 518.39
1,063,815.13
663, 815.13
7,474,301.24
6,578,141.41
6,078,141.41
5, 828,141. 41
5, 874, S69. 65

Credit.

Apr. 30. 1011
May 31, 1911
June 30, 1911
July 31, 1911
Aug. 31, 1011
Sept. 30, 1911
.Oct. 31, 1911
Nov. 29, 1911
Dec. 30, 1911
Jan. 31, 1912
Mar. 30, 1912
June 29, 1912
Sept. 30, 1912

$5,474,869.65
5,124, 869.65
4,662,980. 31
4,287,980.31
4, 087, 980.31
3,419, 536.06
3,319,536.06
3,219,536.06
2,567,304.46
2,007,304.46
1,381,681.48
4, 272.42
4,304.82

Interest on the account was allowed at the rate of 3 per cent per annum.
4. Except in one instance (see p. 6), these funds have been deposited indiscriminately in the various banks and trust companies in which deposits are kept
by Lee, Higginson & Co. It is impossible further to specify. These banks and
trust companies are as follows:
Bank of Montreal (agency). New York.
Blue Hill National Bank, Milton, Mass.
Brookline National Bank, Brookline. Mass.
Brookline Trust Co., Brookline, Mass.
City Trust Co., Boston.
Columbia-Knickerbocker Trust Co., Xew York.
Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston.
Continental & Commercial National Bank. Chicago.
Federal Trust Co., Boston.
Fidelity Trust Co., Portland, Me.
First National Bank, Boston.
First National Bank, Chicago.
Guaranty Trust Co., New York.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago.
Knickerbocker Trust Co., Chicago.
Merchants National Bank, Boston.
Merchants National Bank, Worcester, Mass.
National Bank of Commerce, Boston.
National City Bank, New York.
National Shawmut Bank, Boston.
Naumkeag Trust Co., Salem, Mass.
New York State National Bank, Albany, X. Y.
Norfolk Trust Co., Brookline, Mass.
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston.



1906

MONEY TRUST.

Panl Revere Trust Co., Boston.
Safety Fund National Bank, Fltchburg, Mass.
Standard Trust Co., New York.
Windsor Trust Co., New York.
United States Trust Co., Portland, Me.
A list of the holdings of the firm of Lee, Higginson & Co. and of the individual
members thereof in banks and trust companies as of January 1, 1912, and
November 1, 1912, showing interests acquired or disposed of between January 1,
1906, and January 1, 1912; in answer to Questions Nos. 4 and 5:
I.EE, HIGGINSON & CO.

Central Trust Co., New York, N. Y.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. l, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1,1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,1912

25
25
0
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1. 1912

0

City Trust Co., Boston:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

90
529

Total

619

Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

619

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912..
Balance
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

0
0
0
0
0

Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912—_
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
r
Number of shares sold betweeo. Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912_.

495
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owne*d Nov. 1, 1912

495

Continental National Bank, Chicago, 111.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1912, and Nov. 1, 1912__
Balance
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912



710
215

500
500
0
0
0
0
0

MONEY TKUST.

1907

Continental & Commercial National Bank, Chicago, 111.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold betweea Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1912. and Nov. 1.
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1012. and Nov. 1, 1912

600
600
0
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Fidelity Trust Co., Portland, Me.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1906. and Jan. 1, 1912
Balance, number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1912, and Nov. 1.
1912
.
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1!)12, and Nov. 1, 1912__

0
25
0
25
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
25
First National Bank, Boston. Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
850
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912— 1,021
Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. ] , 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 3, 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912__

1,871
121
1,750
760
610

Balance, acquired

150

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Hampden Trust Co., Springfield, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

1,900
100
0

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912__

100
100
0
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

0

Illinois Trust & Savings Bank. Chicago:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912—Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
_
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912
Balance
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912



150
0
150

0
0
0
150

1908

MONEY TBUST.

Merchants' National Bank, Worcester, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1S06, and Jan. 1,1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and NOT.
1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1912, and Nov. 1,1912

441
241
200
0
10

Balance, sold

10

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

390

National Bank of Commerce, Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1. 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov.
1, 1912
i
0
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1912, and Nov. 1,1912__
<9

28
23
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

0

Naumkeag Trust Co.. Salem, llass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1,1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan, 1, 1912, and Nov.
X, 1912
0
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912__
0
Balance

.

26
0
25

0

Number of shares owned Nov 1, 1912

25

North Adams Trust Co., North Adams, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

100
0

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

100
0

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912

100

Balance
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906. and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1906. and Jan. 1, 1912

0
0
0
100
1,275
39

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
1,236
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. %,
1912
200
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Xov. 1,1912__
236
Balance, sold
Number of shares owned Xov. 1, 1912



36
1,200

MONEY TKUST.

1909

Phoenix National Bank, New York. N. Y.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906

400

Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1 1906, and Jau. 1, 1912
Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912.Balance

0
400
400
0
0
0
0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Windsor Trust Co., New York, N. Y.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912—
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 3906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912-

70
70
0

0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Central Trust Co., New York, N. Y.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912-—
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912-

0

0
25
0
25

0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Commonwealth Trust Co.. Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

25
50
0

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

50
0

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912-

50
0
0

Balance
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912__
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
0
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 19120
Balance
Xumber of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912




0
50
100
0
100

0
100

1910

MONEY TRUST.

Merchants National Bank, Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912—
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912_

568
568
0

0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

0

National Shawmut Bank, Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912_-

310
546

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

856
471

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,1912.

385
915
300

Balance, acquired!

615

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

1,000

New Ens'fmd Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Numlur of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

50
0

Total__
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

50
0

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912

50
0

Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912—

0

Balance,

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 3906. and Jan. 1, 1912

50
125
725

Total
Number of eh.-ires sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

$50
0

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912_

850

Balance acquired
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912



170
0
170
1,020

MONEY TBUST.

1911

Paul Revere Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912__

0
0
0

JOO

0

Balance acquired

100

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Security Safe Deposit Co., Buffalo, N. Y.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912__I

100
^=
50
0

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

50
50

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912. and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1. 1912.

0
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

0

GARDINER M. LANE.

Windsor Trust Co., New York, N. Y.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired, between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
0
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 19120

10
10
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
First National Bank. Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912—
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912_

0
75
0
75

50
125
7Ei

Balance, sold
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

0

Merchants National Bank, Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912_- _
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1912, ami Nov.
1 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912_.
Balance sold
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912



100
0
100

0
100
10

-

°
0

1912

MONEY TBUST.

New York State National Bank, Albany, X. Y.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and NOT.
1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912_.

102
0
102
0
102

Balance sold

102

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov.
1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912

0
300
0
300
28
160

Balance sold

132

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Standard Trust Co., New York, N. Y.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906. and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov.
1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,19J2-

168
38
0
38
0
38

Balance sold

38

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

0

JAMES J . STORKOW.

City Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

150
15

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

165
165

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,1912—
Balance

0
0
0
0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
0
First National Bank, Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
100
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
528
Total
.
628
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
_ 125
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
503
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
325
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1932, and Nov. 1, 1912_
0
Balance acquired
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912



335
838

MONEY THUST.

1913

Merchants National Bank, Boston. Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between J:m. 1. 1000, and Jan. 1, 1912.

65
0

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906. and Jan. 1. 1912__
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912__

65
65
0
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
New England Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1. 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

75
0

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906. and Jan. 1, 1912

75
75

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912_-

0

0
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, iind Jan. 1. 1912
Number of shares owned Jau. 1, "1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
„
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912__

0
198
0
198
20
0

Balance, acquired

20

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Paul Revere Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jau. 1, 1912—
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912_

218
0
0
0

200
0

Balance, acquired
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 3912

200
200

GEOBGE C. LEE.

City Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912—
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
0
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912__
0
Balance
Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
8
 71352—PT 25—13


25
25
0

0
0

1914

MONEY TSUST.

Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1912, and Nov. 1, 1912

J.0
0
10
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

10

N. PESBOSt HALLOWELL.

Adams Trust Co., Boston. Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired bet-ween Jan. 1,1906. and Jan. 1, 1912

10
0

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

10
10

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1912, and NOY. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912__

0
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

0

Blue Hili National Bank, Milton, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1. 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
1
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912—
0
Balance acquired

1

Number of shares owned Nov. 1. 1912

11

City Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912__

1
0
1
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston, JIass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906. and Jan. 1. 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

1
15
10

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1012
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912

0

Number of shares sold between Jan. 1,1912, and Nov. 1, 1912—

5

Balance sold
 Number of shaves owned Nov. 1, 1912


10
0
10

5

5
0

MONEY TRUST.

1915

National Bank of Commerce, Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. I. 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912

15
0

Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1900, and Jan. 1, 1912

15
0

Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1912, and Nov. 1. 1912

15
0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906. and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912__

15
6
0
6
8
0

Balance acquired

8

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

14

State Street Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1906
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1906. and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
0
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1912, and Nov. 1, 19120
Balance

5
5
10
10
0

©

Number of shares owned Xov. 1, 1912

6

FHANOIS L. HIGGINSON, JR.

Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston, Mass.:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912—
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1,
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1, 1912-

10
0
10

0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912

10

SYNDICATE.

Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston:
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912—
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1. 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912




424
80
344

1916

MONEY TBUST.

Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston—Continued.
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1. 1912, and Nov. 1.
1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov. 1. 1912,

0
0

Balance

0

Number of shares owned NOT. 1, 1912

344

In this syndicate the firm of Lee. Higginson & Co. has an incerest
of 25 per cent.
Merchants National Bank. Worcester. Mass.:
Number of shares owned Jan. 1. 1906
1,841
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1906, and Jan. 1, 1912
1,321
Total
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1906. and Jan. 1. 1912
Number of shares owned Jan. 1, 1912
Number of shares acquired between Jan. 1, 1912, and Nov.
1, 1912
Number of shares sold between Jan. 1. 1912. and Nov. 1, 1912Balance

3.162
3,162
0
0
0
0

Number of shares owned Nov. 1, 1912
0
In this syndicate the firm of I-.ee, Higginson & Co. had an interest of 50 per cent.
A statement" of sale5! of bonds made by Lee, Higginson & Co. to life insm-\nce
companies since January 1, 1907:
-5ErXA L;FE IXSl i:\NtE CO.. HABIFOED. CONN.

Chicago Telephone 5"s. 1923

$50,000

AGRICULTURAL INSURANCE CO.. WATEBTOWN, N. Y.

Butte Electric & Power Co. 5's, 1951
Pnget Sound Electric Co. 5's, 1932
California Gas & Electric Corporation 5's, 1937
Michigan Central Railroad Co. 4's, 1929
American Telephone & Telegraph Co. 4's. 1929
Mahoning & Shenango Railway & Light Co. 5's, 1916

#27,000
10,000
25,000
15,000
15,000
10,000

BUFFALO COMMERCIAL INSURANCE CO., BUFFALO, N, Y.

Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, Neb., ext. 4"s, 1927

$5,000

COLUMBIAN NATIONAL LIFE INSURANCE CO.. BOSTON. MASS.

Interborough Rapid Transit Co. 6's, 1911
Kennebec Water District 3J's, 1925
Portland & Ogdensburg 4*'s, 192S
Chicago & Western Indiana Railroad, general, 6's. 1932
Chicago City Railway 5's. 1927
Carbondale & Shawneetown 4's, 1932
Grand Rapids & Indiana 4}'s, 1941
Vermont Valley R. R. 4i's, 1940
Minneapolis General Electric Co. 5's, 1934
Portland Railway. Lisht & Power Co. 5"s. 1942

$20,000
25,000
20,000
50,000
25,000
9,000
5,000
25,000
25,000
25.000

COMMERCE INSURANCE CO.. ALBANY, N. T.

Interborough Rapid Transit Co. 5's, 1952



$15,000

MONEY TBUST.

1917

CONNECTICUT GENERAL LIFE INSURANCE CO., HARTFORD, CONN.

Kansas City, Memphis & Birmingliam 4's, 1934
Houston Electric Co. 5's, 1925
Northern Texas Traction Co. 5's, 1933
State of Connecticut 4's, 1936

$9,000
3,000
3,000
10,000

CONNECTICUT MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE CO., HARTFORD, CONN.

New York, New Haven & Hartford 6's, 1948
Michigan Central Railroad 4's, 1929

$25,000
60,000

DUTCHESS INSUEANCE CO., POUGHKEEPSIE, N. Y.

United Fruit Co. debentures 4*'s, 1923

$8,000

EQUITABLE LIFE INSURANCE CO., NEW YORK CITY.

Kansas City Terminal Railway 4's, 1960
Kansas City Belt Railway first 6's, 1916
Chile Government 5 per cent loan of 1911
New Orleans Terminal Railway 4's, 1953
Cincinnati, Richmond & Port Wayne 7's, 1921
City of Omaha, Nebr., 4J's, 1941

$350,000
2,000
50,000
250,000
100,000
50,000

EXPRESSMEN'S MUTUAL BENEFIT ASSOCIATION, NEW YORK CITY.

New York Central & Hudson River R. R. 3}s, 1997

$5,000

JOHN HANCOCK MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE CO., BOSTON, MASS.

Richmond-Washington R. R. 4s, 1943
Kansas City, Memphis & Birmingham R. R. 5s, 1934
Iowa, Minnesota & Northwestern R. R. 3is, 1935
Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe R. R., general 4s, 1995
Portland & Ogdensburg R. R. 4is, 1928
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy R. R. 4s, 1958
City of St. Joseph 4s, 1928
Chicago & Western Indiana R. R. 4s, 1952,
Concord & Montreal R. R. 4s, 1920
Maine Central R. R. 4s, 1913
Chicago. Milwaukee & Puget Sound R. R. 4s, 1949

$100,000
4,000
40,000
100,000
95,000
100,000
50,000
45,000
100,000
200,000
50,000

HOME LIFE INSURANCE CO., NEW YORK CITY.

Western Electric Co. 5s, 1922

$300,000

HOME INSURANCE CO., NEW YORK CITY.

Kansas City Terminal Ry. 4s, 1960

$35,000

Florida East Coast Ry. 4is, 1959

100,000

INTERNATIONAL INSURANCE CO., NEW YORK CITY.

Boston & Maine R. R. 4 per cent notes, June 10, 1913

$50,000

MANHATTAN LIFE INSURANCE CO., NEW YORK CITY.

Western Electric Co. 5's, 1922
Metropolitan Street Railway Co. of Kansas City 5's, 1913

$200,000
100,000

MASSACHUSETTS HOSPITAL LIFE INSURANCE CO., BOSTON, MASS.

New York, New Haven & Hartford R. R. 5's, 1912
Boston & Lowell R. R. 6's, 1909

Chicago Junction & Union Stock Yards 5's, 1915
Chicago Junction & Union Stock Yards 4's, 1945


$100,000
75,000
25,000
100,000

1918

MONEY TRUST.
MASSACHUSETTS MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE CO., SPRINGFIELD, MASS.

Texas & Oklahoma 5's, 1943
$14,000
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy, Illinois division, 3J's. 1949
100,000
Louisville & Nashville R. R. 4's, 1940
50, 000
Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic Ry. 5's, 1937
100,000
Peoria & Northwestern R. R. 3J's, 1926
95,000
Princeton & Northwestern R. R~. 3J's, 1926
85,000
Boston Elevated Ry. Co. 4J's, 193T
100,000
Shicago, Burlington & Quincy, Illinois division, reg. 4's, 1929 to 1949.. 100,000
Kansas City Terminal Ry. 4s. 1960
250,000
Florida East Coast Ry. 44's, 1959
250,000
Newport & Richford R. R. 5's, 1941
328,000
Detroit Terminal & Tunnel 4i's, 1961
,
200,000
South & North Alabama R. R. 5's, 1936
150,000
Cedar Rapids, Iowa Falls & North R. R. 5's, 1921
25,000
Illinois Central R. R. Co., St. Louis division, 3J's, 1951
148,000
St. Louis Southwestern Ry. first 4's, 1989
15, 000
Brooklyn & Montauk R. R. second 5's, 1938
83,000
Galveston, Harrisburg & San Antonio R. M. & P. Ex. 5's, 1913
100,000
Illinois Central R. R. Co., Richfield 3's, 1951
25,000
Boston & Albany R. R., equipment. 4i's, 1927
50,000
METBOPOLITAN LIFE INSURANCE CO., NEW TOBK CITY.

Chicago Telephone Co. 5's, 1923
Metropolitan Street Railway Co. of Kansas City 5's, 1913
California Gas & Electric Corporation 5's, 1937
Portland Railway, Light & Power Co. 5's, 1942
Virginian Railway Co. 5's, 1962

$33,000
500, 000
500,000
100.000
551,000

NATIONAL UNION INSUBANCE CO., TOLEDO, OHIO.

Martins Ferry, Ohio, 5's, 1927

$14,000

SEW ENGLAND MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE CO.. BOSTON. MASS.

New York, New Haven & Hartford R. R. 5% notes, 1912
Boston & Maine R. R. 4's, 1926
Richmond-Washington 4's, 1943
St. Paul, Minnesota & Manitoba 4's, 1940
Iowa. Minn. & Northwestern 3i's, 1935
Terminal R. R. Association, St. Louis 4's, 1953
Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe R. R. 4's, 1928
Atchison & East Oklahoma 4's, 1928
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy R. R. 4's. 1958
New York, Chicago, & St. Louis R. R. 4's, 1931
Atlantic Coast Line convertible 4's, 1952
8t. Paul & Duluth 4's, 1968
City of St. Joseph 4's, 1928
Chicago City Ry. 5's, 1927
Florida East Coast 4fs. 1959
Western Electric Co. 4i's 1912
Kansas City Terminal 4's, 1960
Maine Central R. R. 4J's, 1912
Colorado & Southern R. R. 4's, 1929
Western Electric Co. 5's, 1922
New York. New Haven & Hartford R. R. 4Vs. 1912
Minneapolis General Electric Co. 5's, 1934
New Orleans Terminal R. R. 4's, 1953
Central New England R. R. 4's, 1931
Virginia Ry. 5's, 1962
Boston & Maine R. R. 4's. 1913
General Electric Co. 5's, 1952



$100,000
170,000
100,000
£10.000
$100,000
200,000
100,000
100,000
250,000
50,000
100,000
100,000
100,000
100, 000
100,000
50.000
100,000
100,000
50.000
100,000
250.000
50, 000
100,000
60.000
100,000
100,000
25,000

MONEY TBUST.

1919

NEW YOBK LIFE INSURANCE CO., NEW YORK CITY.

New Orleans Terminal R. R. 4's. 1953
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4J's, 1923
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4i's, 1916
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4i's, 1917
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4J's, 191S
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4i's, 1919
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4i's, 1920
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4i's, 1921
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4J's, 1922

$500,000
154,000
146,000
200,000
200,000
200,000
200, 000
200,000
200, 000

NORTHWESTERN MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE, MILWAUKEE, WIS.

City of Spokane. Wash.:
General 4Js, 1931
Water 4Js, 1931

$300,000
200,000

PENNSYLVANIA CO. FOR INSURANCE ON LIVES AND GRANTING ANNUITIES,
PHILADELPHIA, PA.

Rock Island & Pacific first 6s. 1917
Lehigh Valley Railroad 4*s, 1923
Philadelphia & Erie Railroad registered 4s, 1920
Lehigh Coal & Navigation 4*s. 1914
Metropolitan Street Railway of Kansas City 5s, 1913

$6,000
9,000
2,000
2,000
5,000

PENN MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE, PHILADELPHIA, PA.

New York Central Lines equipment 4is, 1918

$100,000

PHILADELPHIA TRUST, SAIE DEPOSIT & INSURANCE CO.

Louisville & Nashville Railroad Co. 4s. 1940
Seattle Electric-Seattle-Everett 5s, 1939
General Motors Co. first 6s. 1915
American Agricultural Chemical Co. 5s, 1928
Fort Smith Light & Traction Co. 5s, 1936

$100,000
50,000
50,000
50,000
30,00Q

PROVIDENT LIFE & TRUST CO., PHILADELPHIA, PA.

New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. 4is, 1911
Lake Shore & Michigan Southern Railroad 5s, 1910
Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis 5s. 1911
New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad 4is, 1912
Chicago & North Western Railway 7s, 1915
New York, New Haven & Hartford 4 per cent notes, 1913
Maine Central Railroad 4 per cent notes, 1913

$50,000
10,000
200,000
300,000
211,000
600,000
250,000

PRUDENTIAL INSURANCE CO. OF AMERICA, NEWARK, IT. J.

Sunbury, Hazleton & Wilkes-Barre Ry. Co. second 6s, 1938

$498,000

SECURITY MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE, BINGHAMTON, N. Y.

Norfolk & Western R. R. Co. divisional 4s, 1944
Chicago & Eastern Illinois R. R. 5s, 1937
Bangor & Aroostook R. R. Piscataquis 5s, 1943
Northern Maine Seaport Ry. 5s, 1935
.
Interborough Rapid Transit Co. Os, 1911
New York City 4Js, 1957

$65,000
10,000
25,000
25,000
25,000
20,000

STANDARD LIFE & ACCIDENT INSURANCE CO., DETROIT, MICH.

City of Phoenix. Ariz., water:
5s. 1927
5s, 1928



$10,000
15,000

1920

MONEY TBTJST.
STATE MUTUAL LIFE ASSUBANCE CO. ( WOBOESXEB).

Chicago, Burlington & Quincy B. R. 4s. 1958
Kennebec water district 3Js, 1925
City of Chicago 4s, 1927
Illinois Central R. R. 4s, 1955
City of St. Joseph 4s 1928
Boston & Lowell R. R. 4s. 1929__J
Duluth, Missabe & Northern Ry. 5s, 1941
Florida Bast Coast 4is, 1959
Washington Water Power Co. 5s, 1939
City of Troy 4s, 1936
City of Troy 4s, 193S
Delaware & Hudson Co. 4s, 1943
City of St. Paul 4s. 1938
Kansas City Terminal 4s, I960
Maine Central R. R. 4Js, 1912
Baltimore & Ohio R. R. 4s, 1941
New Orleans Terminal R. R. 4s, 1953
California Gas & Electric Corpoiation 5s, 193T
Central New England Railway 4s, 1961
Houston Electric Co. 5s, 1925
Western Electric Co. 5s, 1922
Detroit Terminal & Tunnel 4is. 1961
United Fruit Co. 4Js, 1925
Dominion Coal Co. 5s, 1940
New Tori;. Westchester & Boston R. R. 44s, 1946
Butte Electric & Power Co. 5s, 1951
Cumberland Telephone & Telegraph Co. 5s, 1937
Chicago Telephone & Telegraph Co. 5s, 1923

$50,000
50,000
15,000
25,000
50,000
50,000
50,000
50,000
50.000
25, 000
25.000
50,000
39,000
100,000
50,000
50.000
50,000
50,000
T5,000
35,000
50,000
50,000
25,000
50,000
75.000
50,000
50,000
100,000

THAVEUEBS' INSUttANCE CO., HABTFOBD, CONN.

American Telephone & Telegraph Co. 5 per cent notes, 1910
Chicago & West Indiana R. R. os, 1910
New York, New Haven & Hartford R. R. Co. 5's, 1908
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy R. R. 4's, 1958
Kansas City, Memphis & Birmingham 4's. 1934
Washington Water Power Co. 5's, 1989
Michigan Central R. R. Co. 4's, 1929
Peoria & Northwestern R. R. 3i's, 1926
Sioux City & Pacific 3i's, 1936
Boston & Albany R. R. equipment 4$'s, 1926

$50.000
100,000
25,000
10,000
50,000
50.000
50, 000
25,000
25,000
25,000

UNION MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE CO., PORTLAND, ME.

City of Troy, N. Y.. regular 4's. 1939
Vermont Valley first mortgage 4i's, 1940
Bridgtou & Saco River R. R. Co. 4's. 1928
Chicago & West Indiana R. R. 5's, 1910
Lake Shore & Michigan Southern 5's, 1910
City of Holyoke, Mass., regular:
4"s, 1911
4's, 3912
4's, 1913
City of Fall River, Mass., regular 3J's, 1913
City of Somerville. Mass.:
4's, 1908
4's. 1909
4's, 1910
City of Peabody. Mass.. 4's, 1912
City of Portland, Me.. 4's, 1913
City of Syracuse, N. Y.:
4i's, 1913
4i's, 1914



$20,000
10,000
4,000
10,000
25.000
10, 500
10.500
10, 500
20,000
9,000
11,000
9, 000
5,000
1,000
10,000
10. 000

MONEY TRUST.

1921

City of Newton, Mass.:
4's, June, 1914
4's, July, 1914
4's, 1912
City of Chicago 4s, 1916
Fitchburg R. R. 4Js, 1928
Portland & Ogdensburg Ry. 4*s, 1928
City of South Portland:
4s, 1918
4s, 1919
4s, 1920
4s, 1921
4s, 1922
4s. 1923
4s, 1924
4s, 1925
Florida East Coast Ry 4Js, 1959

$12,000
7,000
3,000
10.000
22,000
10,000
4, 000
3,000
3,000
3, 000
3,000
3.000
3,000
3,000
15,000

YEOMEN OF AMEBICA, AUBOBA, ILL.

Chicago, Burlington & Quincy R. R. 4s, 1958

$5,000

No railroad or industrial corporation engaged in interstate commerce has been
reorganized by the firm of Lee, Hlgginson & Co., or under its direction, except
as follows:
Mr. Gardiner M. Lane was one of the reorganization committee of the McCall
Ferry Power Co., which was reorganized on the plan of May 28, 1909. A copy
of the plan of reorganization is attached hereto. Below is a list of the initial
directors of the Pennsylvania Water & Power Co., which succeeded the McCall
Ferry Power Co.:
J. E. Aldred, W. M. Canby, F. B. Dow, John H. Kelley, F. C. McCown, jr.,
K. M. Spence.
M'CALL FERRY POWER

co.

Plan and agreement.
Agreement, made this 28th day of May, 1909, between William M. Barnum,
A. C. Bedford, S. Reading Bertron, Charles A. Coffin, and Gardiner M. Lane
(hereinafter called the committee), and the holders-of first mortgage bonds and
preferred stock of McCall Ferry Power Co. becoming parties hereto (hereinafter
called depositors).
Whereas additional funds are required to complete for operation the plant now
of the McCall Ferry Power Co, and the committee has prepared the following:
Plan.
1. A new company—the term " new company " being used herein to mean
either the present company or any other that may be used—is to be vested with
the properties of the present company and with cash as hereinafter stated, and
will have authorized bonds and stock as follows: Thirty-year first mortgage 5
per cent gold bonds, $12,500,000; stock, all of one class, $8,500,000; of which
bonds at least $4,920,000 are to be in the treasury of the new company after the
plan is carried out.
2. The holders of the bonds of the present company who become parties to
this plan and agreement and perform the cbligations thereof will receive in exchange for their present bonds 40 per cent of the principal thereof in such bonds
and 00 per cent of such principal in negotiable voting trust certificates for such
stock of the new company all such new stock to be deposited under a voting trust
terminating November 1.1912, when the voting trust certificates will be exchangeable for the stock—the voting trust to provide for three voting trustees, two to
be nominated by those furnishing the new money and one by the committee,
and their successors to be nominated in the same interests respectively.
3. From $4,170,000 to $4,250,000 of such bonds and $3,500,000 of such stocfr
of the new company are to be for sale at a price to realize 90 per cent of the
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MONEY TBL'ST.

4. The disposition of the securities of the new company, in accordance with
the foregoing, is indicated in the following table:
Parties.

I Bonds.

Stock.

To those furnishing the new money (13,753,000, at least)
! $4,170,000 , $3,500,000
To holders of the present bonds ($8,325,000)' 40 per cent in new bonds and 60 j
.
per cent in new stock
3,330,000
4,995,000
' 7,500,000 |

8,496,000

• Certain additional bonds outstanding in pledge are not included, as they will be discharged from pledge
and canceled in carrying out said plan and agreement.

5. The committee may cause fractional scrip to be issued to those entitled
to fractional amounts of bonds or stock.
Now, therefore, this indenture witnesseth:
First. William M. Barnum, A. C. Bedford, S. Reading Bertron, Charles A.
Coffin, and Gardiner M. Lane agree to act as the committee.
Second. All holders of bonds or of bonds and preferred stock of the McCall
Ferry Power Co.. becoming parties hereto, hereby assent to said plan and agree
to forthwith deposit, or cause the deposit of, their bonds and preferred stock
with the Knickerbocker Trust Co., No. 66 Broadway, New York, or with the City
Trust Co., No. 50 State Street, Boston (hereinafter called the "depositaries"),
it being understood that the receiving depositary shall, upon such deposit, Issue
certificate or certificates of deposit evidencing the same, which certificates shall
be transferable, and shall entitle the Holder to receive new securities in accordance with said plan, or to receive back the bonds and stock deposited, as hereinafter provided. All certificates for stock shall be properly indorsed in blank
for transfer. The mere deposit of any bonds or bonds and stock with one of the
depositaries shall operate to make the depositor a party to this agreement, and
shall operate as a transfer of the bonds and stock so deposited to the committee
or its successors, and shall empower the committee to exercise all the powers
herein given.
Third. The holders of said bonds or bonds and stock, parties hereto, hereby
severally vest iu said committee, under the tarms of this agreement, as trustee
of an express trust, the legal title to all bonds and stock deposited or caused or
agreed to be deposited by them, respectively, and give the committee full power
to do all things in the committee's judgment necessary or proper to carry out
said plan, Including power:
(a) At their discretion, to acquire or not to acquire, at public or private
sale or otherwise the whole or any part of the properties of the McCall Ferry
Power Co.. including any on which it holds options, and to use deposited bonds
or any thereof, or any other resources, in such purchase or acquisition.
(6) To act for the depositors in presenting coupons for payment, in requesting or instructing or otherwise moving the trustee under the mortgage securing
said bonds with respect to action thereunder, and also to act for them in or in
respect to any action which may be brought for the foreclosure of said mortgage or in any other action which may be brought which in any way affects
or may affect the rights and interests of the depositors; to receive and receipt
for any money to which said bonds or stock shall be at any time entitled; to
execute and deliver any requests, consents, waivers, or other writings, including
consents to issuing receivers" certificates prior or not in lien, which it may
seem to the committee necessary or desirable to file in any court or office or
with the trustee under said mortgage or elsewhere.
(c) To employ such agents, attorneys, and counsel as the committee deem
best, to represent and act for or authorize representation of and action for the
depositors, or any of them, in any court or elsewhere with respect to all rights
and interests in any way affecting said bonds or stock.
(d) So far as deemed expedient by the committee to contract or otherwise
provide for the purchase, compromise, adjustment, or payment, in full or in
part, of any indebtedness of the McCall Ferry Power Co. or of any receiver's
certificates that may be liens on any of the mortgaged property, or for the
•extension of any such indebtedness as the obligation of the new company, or
for the redemption from pledge of any property or securities directly or
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(e) To sell, contract for the sale of, or otherwise dispose of auy new bonds
and stock not required for the depositors or reserved for the treasury under said
plan, and to contract for underwriting with respect thereto, and. in connection
with any such contract for underwriting, to pay a reasonable commission
therefor; any member or members of the committee, or any persons or corporations who may be associated with or represented by them, to have the right to
join in any such sale or contract.
(/) To borrow money in order to raise auy cash required to pay the expenses
of the committee or to make any cash payment required upon aay foreclosure
or other sale, or to carry on any construction or other work, or purchase any
property deemed necessary, or to enable the committee to do any of the other
things which they may be authorized to do. or generally for any purpose
which the committee may deem necessary or expedieut in order to carry out
said plan; the committee being hereby expressly authorized to pledge for the
repayment of any or all sums so borrowed, .my or all of the deposited bonds
or stock, and any or all assets acquired by them, and any or all of the bonds
or stock of the new company received by them under said plan, and not
specifically appropriated by the plan or takeu by the parties entitled thereto;
but no depositor shall be liable personally for or upon any debt of the committee.
(g) To cause the new company to be organized in sueh manner and with
such powers as the committee may deem proper, or to adapt and use an
existing company as such "new company" and to fix the terms of its bonds and
the mortgage securing the same, subject to the provisions of said plan; to
determine all questions pertaining to the management, operation or disposition
of any property acquired by them until the new company shall be organized,
and In possession and control of said property; to make such construction, improvements or repairs as they shall deem expedient, and to make such contracts
in regard thereto as the new company might make if already organized and
in operation; and to cause the provisions of said plan in respect to a voting
trust and voting trust certificates to be carried out; and generally to exercise
all the powers of owners and holders of said bonds and stock, including power
to vote at any meeting of bondholders, creditors, or stockholders, and to use
the same PS the committee may deem expedient in carrying out said plan; the
statement of particular powers herein not to limit the committee from or In
the exercise of any power which, in their judgment, may be desirable in accomplishing the purposes of said plan and agreement; nor shall the committee
be restricted in or in respect to dealing, under any of its powers, with or in
respect to any property, security, or indebtedness, by reason of any interest in
any thereof of any member of the committee, or of any firm or corporation
in which a member is interested; it being expressly agreed by all depositors
that the methods to be adopted for carrying out said plan and agreement are
to be determined from time to time by the committee in their sole discretion,
and that the committee shall have the right at any time to change any such
determination should their judgment be changed by subsequent developments.
Fourth. Whatever shall be acquired in any way by the committee under this
agreement shall be acquired by them as joint tenants, and not as tenants in
common, so as to remain the property 01 the said committee, however the
members thereof may be changed. The members of the committee shall have
reasonable compensation for their services from this time in carrying out said
plan, the amount of such compensation, however, to be subject to the approval
of the board of directors of-the new company. Any member of the committee
may become a party hereto as a depositor. Any member of the committee
may resign by writing, addressed to the committee. By appointment in writIng signed by a majority of the committee, additional members thereof may
be appointed, and vacancies therein, occurring by death, resignation, or otherwise, may be filled. The committee may act by a majority thereof either at a
meeting or in writing without a meeting. Ai*y member may vote or act by
proxy appointed in writing, who may be another member of the committee or
any other person approved by a majority of the committee. No member of
the committee shall be liable for the act or omission of another member, nor
shall the committee or any member thereof, or either of the depositaries be
liable for the act or omission of any agent or employee selected in good faith, or
in any case except for its or his own willful misconduct.
Fifth. The committee may construe thi"J aareement. including said plan, and
their coustrnction thereof, or action thereunder, in sood faith, shall be final



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MONEY TBUST.

and conclusive; they shall ha\e power to determine, and to act according to
their judgment In, all matters not specifically provided for herein, but within
the general purpose set out in said plan, and shall also have power to modify
said plan in any matter of detail not affecting the substantial rights of the
other parties hereto.
Sixth. Holders of bonds or bonds and preferred stock of the MeCall Power
Co. may become parties hereto at any time on or before July 1, 1909, or such
later date or dates as the committee may fix, by signing this agreement, which
it is understood may be signed in any number of parts, or by depositing, or
causing the deposit of, their bonds or bonds and stock without such signing as
above provided.
Seventh. The committee shall not be required to take any action ia the
interest of any of the stock deposited hereunder, nor shall it be under any
obligation whatever to any holder of bonds or stock not a party to this agreement.
Eighth. In case the committee should at any time decide that it is not, for
any reason, to the interest of the depositors to carry out the said plan, they may
either—
(1) Declare this agreement terminated, in which case all bonds and stock
deposited hereunder shall be delivered and transferred to the several holders
of certificates of deposit upon surrender of said certificates, and upon payment
of their due proportion of the obligations already incurred to be determined by
the committee; or
(2) File a new agreement with the depositaries, mail a copy of the same in
a post-paid wrapper to each depositor to the address, if any, filed with either
of the depositaries, or, if no such address has been so filed, then to the address
last known to the committee, whereupon the depositors shall have the right,
within 20 days after the copies of such new agreement shall have been so
mailed, to withdraw their bonds and stock upon payment of their due proportion of the obligations already incurred, to be determined by the committee,
and in the event of failure to so withdraw within such 20 days, every depositor
so failing shall be deemed to have assented to and ratified such new agreement,
and such assent and ratification shall be deemed final and irrevocable.
Ninth. In ease the committee shall deem it desirable or proper to give any
notice to the depositors or any of them, such notice shall be deemed to have
been given if mailed in writing to such depositors at the addresses, if any,
filed in writing with a depositary for the purpose: or when no such address
has been so filed, then to the address last known to the committee
Tenth. Acceptance of new bonds and stock by any depositor shall estop such
depositor from questioning the conformity thereof, as to character or otherwise,
to any provision of this plan and agreement.
Kleventh. After the reorganization shall ha\d been completed aud all debts
and liabilities incurred in connection therewith shall have been paid or discharged all moneys, securities, and other property not used or required for any
of the purposes herein authorized and remaining in the hands of the committee
are to be transferred to or held for the benefit of the new company, under appropriate agreements for the protection and indemnity of the committee.
Twelfth. Originals of this agreement are to be lodged with said Knickerbocker
Trust Co., of the city of New York, and with said City Trust Co.. of Boston,
where they may be inspected by depositors. This instrument may be signed in
several parts with the same effect as if all signatures were hereon.
Upon transfer of any certificate of deposit the transferee shall succeed to all
the rights of the prior holder and be subject to all the provisions hereof. The
word " depositors " herein includes the holders of record of the certificates of
deposit issued hereunder outstanding at the time in question. The committee
and the depositaries may treat the holder of record of each certificate of deposit
as the absolute owner thereof.
The depositaries shall severally hold and dispose of, subject to the order of a
majority of the committee, the bonds and certificates of stock deposited with it,
und, in acting as depositaries hereunder, act respectively as agents for and are
answerable to the committee alone.
A writing signed by a majority of the committee shall be sufficient evidence
to the depositaries of any action of the committee stated therein.
In witness whereof, the parties of the first part (members of said committee)
have hereunto signed their names, and the various depositors, parties of the
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amouui of bonds and stock deposited by them, respectively, or have deposited,
or caused the deposit of. their bond= mid stock, the day and year first above
written.
WILLIAM M. BABNUM.
A. C. BEDFORD.
S. READING BEBTBON.
CHARLES A. COFFIN.
GABDINER M. LANE.
EXHIBIT

NO. 210.

JANUARY 22,

1913

Statement of issues of bonds of and shares in interstate corporations in the
purchase, sale, or underwriting of which the firm of Lee, Higginson & Co. took
part, either alone or jointly with other bankers or banks, as called for by
paragraphs 7 and 9.
AMERICAN AGBICULTUBAL CHEMICAL CO.

Twenty-venr first mortgage 5 per cent convertible bonds, dated October 1,
1908, and due October 1, 1928.
September and October, 190S.
$8,000,000 bonds bought by Lee. Higginson & Co.
Forty-two banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the underwriting and sale of the bonds, as follows:
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston, Mass.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
Moffat & White, New York, N. Y.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Jackson & Curtis, Boston, Mass.
Chase National Bank, New York, N. Y.
National City Bank, New York, N. Y.
J. P. Morgan & Co., New York, N. Y.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
Bank of Montreal (agency). New York, N. Y.
Strong, Sturgis & Co., New York, N. Y.
Harvey Fisk & Sons, New York, N. Y.
Henry & West, Philadelphia, Pa.
Bond & Goodwin, Boston, Mass.
Blodget, Merritt & Co., Boston, Mass.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
Eagerly & Crocker, Boston, Mass.
W. O. Gay, Boston, Mass.
Townsend, Anthony & Tyson, Boston, Mass.
Moors & Cabot, Boston, MHSS.
James A. Hutchinson, Boston, Mass.
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
American Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
Babcock, Rushton & Louderback, Chicago, HI.
A. G. Edwards & Sons, St. Louis, Mo.
Commercial National Bank, Chicago, 111.
Lyon, Gary & Co., Chicago, 111.
W. H. Fillmore & Co., Chicago, 111.
Russell, Brewster & Co., Chicago, 111.
And 12 others in other cities.
January. 1911.
$4,000,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Seventeen banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the underwriting and sale of the bonds, as follows:
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
J. P. Morgan & Co., New York, N. Y.
National City Bank, New York. N. Y.
Chase National Bank, New York, N. Y.
White. Weld & Co., New York, N. Y.
J. & W. Seligman & Co., New York. N. Y.
Parkinson & Burr. Boston, Mass.
JSstabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.



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Seventeen banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the underwriting and sale of the bonds, as follows—Continued.
Bond & Goodwin. Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston. Mass.
Northern Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
Continental & Commercial Xiitional Bank. Chicago, 111.
First Trust & Savings Bank. Chicago. 111.
And four others in other cities.
Six per cent cumulative preferred stock.
April. 1932.
$6,000,000 par value of the shares underwritten by Lee, Higginson & Co.
$2,522,100 par value of the shares not subscribed for by the stockholders of
the American Agricultural CheniU'al Co. were taken up by Lee, Higginson & Co.
as syndicate managers.
Twenty-two banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the underwriting ;iml "sale of the shares, as follows:
Brown Bros. & Co.. Boston, Mass.
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston. Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co.. Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley &,Co., Boston, Mass.
Curtis & Sanger. Boston, Mass.
Moors & Cabot. Boston, Mass.
Millet, Roe & H;>gen, Bostou, Mass.
J. W. Bowen & Co.. Boston, Mass.
Jackson & Curtis. Boston, Mass.
H. C. Wninwright & Co., Boston, Mass.
Hunt, Saltonstall & Co., Boston, Mass.
H. V. Long, Boston, Mass.
George S. Baldwin, Boston, Mass.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
National City Bank, New York, N. Y.
J. & W. Seligman & Co., New York. N. Y.
Kuhn, Loeb & Co., New York, N. Y.
Ames, Emerich & Co., Chicago, 111.
Hayden, Miller & Co., Cleveland, Ohio.
And two others in other cities.
AMERICAN SMELTEBS SECURITIES CO.

Five per cent preferred stock, " Series B."
April, 1905, to January, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $1,500,000 underwriting through
Kuan, Loeb & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $2,105,100 par value of the shares.
Ten banks and bankers participated in the underwriting taken by Lee, Higginson & Co., as follows:
City Trust Co., Boston, Mass.
Strong, Sturgis & Co., New York, N. Y.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
American Loan & Trust Co., Boston. Mass.
Bond & Goodwin, Boston, Mass.
Moors & Cabot, Boston, Mass.
And four others in other cities.
AMERICAN SMELTING & REFINING CO.

Fifteen-year 6 per cent gold debenture bonds, due February 1, 1926.
November, 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $150,000 underwriting through
Kuhn. Loeb & Co.
AMERICAN TELEPHONE & TELKGBAPH CO.

Collateral trust 4 per cent bonds, due July 1, 1929.
March, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $200,000 underwriting through
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1927

AMEBICAN WOOLEN CO.

Preferred stock.
December, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $20,000 through Brown Bros.
& Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $14,000.
AMEBICAN

WOOLEN CO.

Preferred stock.
June, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $250,000 underwriting through
Brown Bros. & Co.
ARM0UB.& CO.

Real estate first mortgage 4J per cent bonds, due June 1, 1939.
May, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $150,000 underwriting through
the National City Bank of New York.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $571,000 bonds.
ATCHISON, TOPEKA & SANTA FE RAILWAY CO.

General mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due October 1, 1995.
March, 1908.
$4,000,000 bought by a syndicate composed of Lee, Higginson & Co., Moffat &
White, and Clark, Dodge & Co.
One foreign banker participated in the underwriting through Lee, Higginson
& Co.
Eastern Oklahoma division first mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due March 1, 1928.
March, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $125,000 underwriting through
the Guaranty Trust Co. of New York.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $122,000 bonds.
Transcontinental Short Line first mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due July 1, 1958.
August, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $1,000,000 underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $1,284,000 bonds.
Four banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of the bonds, as follows:
Bank of Montreal (agency), New York, N. Y.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, III.
And two foreign bankers.
Convertible 4 per cent bonds, due June 1, 1960.
March, 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $1,000,000 underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
ATLANTIC COAST LINE RAILROAD CO.

First consolidated 4 per cent bonds, due July 1, 1952.
September, 1905, to April, 1907.
$2,000,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
$1,146,000 bonds bought by Clark. Dodge & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co.'s participation, $1,031,000 bonds.
Five other banks and bankers participated in the underwriting and sale of
the bonds, as follows:
Kinnicutt & Potter, New York, N. Y.
And four others in other cities.
BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVE WORKS.

First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due May 1. 1940.
April, 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000, underwriting through
Brown Bros. & Co., of Philadelphia.



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MOXBY TRUST.
BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD CO.

Pittsburgh, Lake Erie i West Virginia 4 per cent bonds, due November 1,
1941.
February, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000, underwriting through
the Guaranty Trust Co. of New York.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $250,000 bonds.
BOSTON & LOWELL RAILROAD CORPORATION.

Debenture 4 per cent bonds, due November 1. 1926.
June, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $113,750, underwriting through
E. L. Day & Co.
BOSTON & MAINE RAILROAD.

Four per cent debenture bonds, due September 1, 1926.
February, 1906. to May, 1908.
$10,000,000 bonds bought by K. L. Day & Co. for a syndicate composed of tho
following:
R. L. Day & Co. (managers), Boston, Mass.
Kidder, Peabody & Co., Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
Lee, Higginson & Co., Boston, Mass.
The following bankers were admitted to the syndicate by the original syndicate as above:
BTake Bros. & Co., Boston, Mass.
Brown Bros. & Co., Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr participated through Lee. Higginson & Co. in the underwriting and sale of the bonds.
Six months 3J per cent notes, due April 1. 1909., April 21, 1909, May 2, 1909.
September. 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $500,000 through Estabrook
& Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $250,000 notes.
One-year 4 per cent coupon notes, due June 10, 1913.
May, 1912.
Lee. Higginson & Co. bought through J. P. Morgan & Co. $3,500,000 notes.
BOSTON & NEW YORK RAILROAD CO.

Air line 4 per cent bonds, due August 1, 1955.
March. 1906.
Five hundred thousand dollars bonds bought by a syndicate, as follows: Lee.
Higginson & Co., one-half interest; Mackay & Co., one-half interest.
CENTRAL NEW ENGLAND RAILWAY CO.

First-mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due January 1, 1961.
May, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $1,000,000 bonds, offered by circular of J. P. Morgan & Co., First National Bank of New York and National City Bank of New
York, dated May 18, 1911.
CALUMET & HECLA MINING CO.

Five per cent coupon notes, due March 1, 1912, and March 1, 1919.
February, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought $1,950,000 notes of the Calumet & Hecla
Mining Co.
CHESAPEAKE & OHIO RAILWAY CO.

Four per cent equipment bonds, series K, dated October 15, 1906. due April 15.
1907, to October 15, 1916, inclusive.



MONEY TEUST.
October, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000, underwriting
Itrown Bros. & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $64,000 bonds.
Four and one-half per cent convertible bonds, due February 1 1930
March, 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $200,000 underwriting
.7. P. Morgan & Co., Kuhn, Loeb & Co., and the National City Bank
York.
General mortgage 4} per cent bonds, due March 1, 1902.
September, 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $149,000 underwriting
White, Weld & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $200,000 bonds.

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CHICAGO, BURLINGTON & QUINCY RAILROAD CO.

General mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due March 1, 1958.
May, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $3,200,000, underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $7,000,000 bonds.
Clark, Dodge & Co. participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co.. In the underwriting.
February, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $3,000,000, underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $1,500,000 bonds.
CHICAGO GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY CO.

First mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due September 1, 1959.
Preferred stock.
Common stock.
June, 1909.
Lee. Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000, underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
CHICAGO, INDIANA & SOUTHERN RAILROAD CO.

Four per cent bonds, due January 1, 1956.
March, 1908.
Lee, Hlgglngson & Co. took a participation of $1,000,000, underwriting through
the National City Bank of New York.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $50,000 bonda
CHICAGO, MILWAUKEE & PUGET SOUND RAILWAY CO.

First mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due January 1, 1949.
March, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $250,000 underwriting through
Kuhn. Loeb & Co. and the National City Bank, of New York.
CHICAGO, HOCK ISLAND & PACIFIC RAILWAY CO.

First and refunding mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due April 1, 1934.
February, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
Speyer & Co.
Lee. Higginson & Co. sold $100,000 bonds.
CHICAGO TELEPHONE CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due December 1, 1923.
October, 1908.
$5,000,000 bonds bought by a syndicate composed of the following :
First Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
Merchants Loan & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
Lee, Higginson & Co.. Boston, Mass.
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MONEY TBUST.

Lee, Hlgginson & Co.'s participation, $2,000,000.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $2,416,000 bonds.
Seven banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of the bonds, as follows:
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
Babcock, Rushton & Louderback, Chicago, 111.
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
National City Bank, Chicago, 111.
J. P. Morgan & Co., New York, N. Y.
First Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
Merchants Loan & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
April, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $2,750,000 underwriting through
Harris Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $3,457,000 bonds.
CHICAGO & NORTHWESTERN KAIL WAT CO.

General mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due November 1, 1987.
November, 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $150,000 underwriting through
Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
April, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $200,000 underwriting through
Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
CHICAGO & WESTERN INDIANA RAILWAY CO.

Consolidated mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due July 1, 1952.
April, 1908.
Lee. Higginson & Co. bought of the Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad Co.
$323,000 bonds.
CONCORD & MONTREAL RAILROAD CO.

First consolidated 4 per cent bonds, due June 1, 1920.
October, 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. and J. P. Morgan & Co. bought of the Boston & Maine
Railroad $500,000 bonds.
CTJDAHY PACKING CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due May 1,1924.
April, 1909.
$4,000,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Twelve banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of the bonds, as follows:
National City Bank, New York, N. Y.
J. P. Morgan & Co., New York, N. Y.
Moffat & White, New York, N. Y.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
Henry & West, Philadelphia, Pa.
Merchants Loan & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
Commercial National Bank, Chicago, 111.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
St. Louis Union Trust Co. (Ltd.), Chicago, 111.
And three others in other cities.
CUMBERLAND TELEPHONE & TELEGRAPH CO.

First and general mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due January 1, 1937.
February, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought of the Cumberland Telephone & Telegraph Co.
$1,240,000 bonds.
Lee, Higginson & Co. formed a syndicate with Estabrook & Co., of Boston,
and themselves.



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DETROIT UNITED RAILWAY CO.

Three-year 5 per cent notes, due March 1, 1909.
February, 1906.
Lee, Hlgginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
William A. Read & Co.
DtTLTJTH, MISSABE & NORTHKBN RAILWAY CO.

General mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due January 1, 1941.
March, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of one-half (probably about $500,000) of the amount taken by the Union Trust Co., New York. No amount specified.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $443,000 bonds.
EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA FOWEB CO.

First and refunding fives, due October 1,1939.
January, 1912.
$1,750,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Nine banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of the bonds, as follows :
Graham & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
Elkins, Krumbhaar & Morris, Philadelphia, Pa.
Otis & Hough, Cleveland, Ohio.
James A. Hutchinson. Boston, Mass.
And five others in other cities.
EASTEKX RAILWAY CO. OF MINNESOTA.

Northern division first mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due April 1, 1948.
April, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of approximately $710,000 underwriting through Clark, Dodge & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold §80,000 bonds.
ERIE RAILROAD CO.

Six per cent notes, due April 8, 1914.
February, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $250,000 underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $1,250,000 notes.
Five per cent collateral trust notes, due April, 1915.
April, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $300,000 underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $280,000 notes.
FITCHBURG RAILROAD CO.

One-year 6 per cent bonds, due January 15,1909.
Boston & Lowell Railroad Corporation 1-year 6 per cent bonds, due January
15, 1909.
January, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co., took a participation of $200,000 through R. L. Day & Co.
Lee. Higginson & Co. sold $275,000 bonds.
Parkinson & Burr participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the underwriting.
These two issues were bought " en bloc."
Four-and-a-half per cent debenture bonds, due May 1, 1928.
April, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $546,000 underwriting through
R. L. Day & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $400,000 bonds.



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GENERAL ELECTRIC CO.

Five per cent debenture bonds, due September 1, 1952.
September, 1912.
$10,000,000 bonds were bought by Lee, Hlgginson & Co. and J. P. Morgan &
Co. jointly.
The following bankers were associated in the underwriting and sale of the
bonds:
Kissel. Kinnicutt & Co., New York, X. Y.
William P. Bonbright & Co., New York, X. Y.
GENERAI

MOTORS CO.

First lien 6 per cent notes, due October 1. 1915.
November, 1910.
$15,000,000 notes bought by a syndicate, as follows:
Central Trust Co. of New York, New York, N. Y.
Kuhn. Loeb & Co., New York, N. Y.
J. & W. Seligman & Co., New York, N. Y.
Lee, Higginson & Co., Boston, Mass.
Eight banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of these notes, as follows:
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston, Mass.
First National Bank, Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Brown Bros. & Co., Boston, Mass.
Bank of Montreal (agency), New York, X. Y.
And two others in other cities.
GBEAT NOBTHKBN RAILWAY CO.

First and refunding 4J per cent bonds, due May 1, 1961.
June, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. subscribed for $1,1S5,000 bonds through the First
National Bank of New York.
Lee, Higginson & Co. were awarded $1,185,000 bonds.
HILTON-DODGE LUMBER CO.

First mortgage 6 per cent bonds, dated January 2. 1912, and due July 1.
1914, to July 1, 1922, inclusive.
March, 1912.
$4,500,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Seven bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co., in the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
Graham & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
Allerton, Greene & King, Chicago, 111.
A. G. Edwards & Sons, St. Louis, Mo.
Hayden, Miller & Co., Cleveland, Ohio.
And three others in other cities.
HUDSON & MANHATTAN BAILBOAD CO.

Four and one-half per cent bonds, due February 1, 1957.
March, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. subscribed for $1,490,000 notes through Harvey Fisk &
Sons.
$1,366, 000 notes were for Lee, Higginson & Co.'s clients.
124,000 notes were for Lee, Higginson & Co.
1,490,000 total.
ILLINOIS STEEL CO.

Debenture 4J per cent bonds, due April 1, 1940.
July, 1911.
$5,000,000 bought by Kissel, Kinnicutt & Co. and Lee. Higginson & Co. jointly.



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Fifteen banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginsou & Co. in
the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
E. L. Day & Co., Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston. Mass.
Kidder, Peabody & Co., Boston, Mass.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, X. Y.
St. Louis Union Trust Co., St. Louis, Mo.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
Continental & Commercial Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago. 111.
And six others in other cities.
April, 1912.
$5,500,000 bought by Kissel, Kinnicutt & Co. and Lee, Higginson & Co.
jointly.
Twenty-nine banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
Clark, Dodge & Co., Xew York, X. Y.
Potter, Choate & Prentice, Xew York, N. Y.
White, Weld & Co., Xew York, X. Y.
Kidder, Peabody & Co., Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
B. L. Day & Co., Boston. Mass.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston, Mass.
Van Antwerp, Bishop & Co., Xew York, N. Y.
Dick Bros. & Co., Xew York, X. Y.
Continental & Commercial Xational Bank, Chicago, 111.
Harris, Winthrop & Co., Chicago, 111.
Central Trust Co. of Illinois, Chicago, 111.
People's Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
Ames, Emerich & Co., Chicago, 111.
Babcock, Rushton & Co., Chicago, 111.
Yard, Otis & Taylor, Chicago, 111.
Hayden, Miller & Co., Cleveland, Ohio.
A. G. Edwards & Sons, St. Louis, Mo.
St. Louis Union Trust Co., St. Louis, Mo.
D. Arthur Bowman & Co., St. Louis, Mo.
And seven others in other cities.
INDIANA STEEL CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due May 1, 1952.
April, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co., jointly with Kissel, Kinnicutt & Co., of New York, took
a participation of $5,000,000 underwriting through J. P. Morgan & Co., the First
Xational Bank of Xew York, and Xational City Bank of New Xork.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $1,580,000 bonds.
Clark, Dodge & Co. participated, through Lee, Higginson, & Co., in the underwriting and sale of these bonds.
INTERNATIONAL HABVESTEB CO.

Five per cent notes, due February 15, 1915.
January, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $500,000 underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $500,000 notes.
IBOQrOIS IRON CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent gold bonds, dated December 1, 1909. and due
December 1, 1912, to December 1, 1929.
Xovember, 1909.
$2,300,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.



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Ten banks and bankers participated through Lee. Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
Estabrook & Co., Boston. Mass.
James A. Hutchinson, Boston. Mass.
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago. 111.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
A. G. Edwards & Co., St. Louis, Mo.
And five others in other cities.
JONES & LATJGHLIN STEEL CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent gold bonds, due May 1, 1939.
June, 1911.
Lee. Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
the First Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $100,000 bonds.
KANAWHA & MICHIGAN RAILWAY CO.

Second mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due July 1, 1927.
November, 1909.
$2,500,000 bought by Moffat & White and Lee, Higginson & Co., jointly.
The Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111., participated through Lee.
Higginson &• Co. in the underwriting and sale of these bonds and one other
banker in another city.
KANSAS CITY TERMINAL RAILWAY CO.

Four and one-half per cent notes due February 16, 1910 (extended to March
4, 1910).
September. 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought of the Kansas City Terminal Railway Co.
$1,000,000 notes.
Five per cent notes, due February 16, 1910 (extended to March 4, 1910).
November, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought of the Kansas City Terminal Railway Co.
$1,000,000.
First mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due January 1, 1960.
February, 1910.
$12,500,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co., who ceded to J. P. Morgan & Co.
and the Illinois Trust & Savings Bank one-third each.
The following bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of these bonds:
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston, Mass.
And two other bankers in other cities.
First mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due January 1. 19*30.
November, 1910.
$7,500,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co., who ceded to J. P. Morgan & Co.
and the Illinois Trust & Savings Bank one-third each.
Seven bankers in other cities than those specified in the inquiry participated
through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the underwriting and sale of these bonds.
Four per cent notes, due December 31, 1912.
June, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought $1,000,000 through the Illinois Trust & Savings
Bank of Chicago.
J. P. Morgan & Co. participated through Lee. Higginson & Co. in this loan.
Four and one-half per cent notes, due December 31, 1912.
June, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought $400,000 notes through the Illinois Trust &
Savings Bank.
J. P. Morgan & Co. participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in this loan.
KANSAS CITY VIADUCT & TERMINAL RAILWAY CO.

Four and one-half per cent bonds, due September 1. 1934.
May, 1907.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $9,100 through Fisk & Robinson.



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LOUISVILLE & NASHVILLE BAILBOAO CO.

Unified mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due July 1, 1940.
April, 1909.
A syndicate composed of Lee, Higginson & Co., Moffat & White, and Kissel,
Kinnicutt & Co. bought $2,000,000 bonds through J. P. Morgan & Co.
LOWELL MACHINE SHOP.

Six per cent cumulative preferred shares.
January, 1912.
$1,250,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
MAHONING & SHENANGO RAILWAY & LIGHT CO.

First consolidated refunding 5 per cent bonds, due January 1, 1916.
December, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $1,500,000 underwriting through
Blair & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $2,276,000 bonds.
Twenty-one banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows;
H. F. Bachman & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
Graham & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
George Willing, jr. & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
American Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
National City Bank, Chicago, 111.
James A. Hutchinson, Boston, Mass.
George C. Scott, Boston, Mass.
And 13 other bankers in other cities.
First consolidated refunding 5 per cent bonds, due January 1, 1916.
January, 1911.
$504,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Five bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the underwriting
and sale of these bonds, as follows:
James A. Hutchinson, Boston, Mass.
F. M. Jeffrey, New York, N. Y.
Graham & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
And two others in other cities.
MAINE

CENTKAX, BAILBOAD CO.

Four and one-half per cent coupon notes, dated April 1,1910, and due April 1,
1912.
March, 1910.
$5,000,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Eight bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the underwriting
and sale of these notes, as follows:
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
K. L. Day & Co., Boston, Mass.
Bond & Goodwin, Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston, Mass.
James A. Hutchinson, Boston. Mass.
J. P. Morgan & Co., New York, N. Y.
And a banker in another city.
1 year 4 per cent notes, due March 15,1913.
February, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought through J. P. Morgan & Co., $3,700,000 notes.
w. H. M'ELWAIN co.

Six per cent cumulative first preferred stock.
February, 1911.
$2,200,000 par value bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.



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Six bankers participated through Lee, Higgiusou & Co. in the underwriting
pnd sale of these shares, as follows:
Parkinson & Burr. Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston. Mass.
Millet, Roe & Hagen, Boston, Mass.
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston, Mass.
And two other bankers in other cities.
METROPOLITAN STREET RAILWAY CO., KANSAS CITY.

First lien refunding mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due May 1, 1913.
February, 1911.
$1,400,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
The following bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of these bonds:
J. P. Morgan & Co., New York, N. Y.
Graham & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
MICHIGAN CENTRAL RAILROAD CO.

Joliet & Northern Indiana Division first mortgage 4 per cent gold bonds,
due July 10, 1957.
April, 1907.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $500,000 underwriting through
Clark, Dodge & Co. and Moffat & White.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $313,000 bonds.
MILWAUKEE, SPARTA & NORTHWESTERN RAILWAY CO.

First mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due March 1, 1947.
February, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
MINNEAPOLIS, ST. PAUL Jb SAULT STE. MARIE RAILWAY CO.

Consolidated mortgage 4 pei» cent bonds, due July 1, 1938.
November, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $50,000 underwriting through
Clark, Dodge & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $25,000 bonds.
MISSOURI, KANSAS & TEXAS RAILWAY CO.

General mortgage 4J per cent bonds, due 1936.
January, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
Speyer & Co.
MISSOURI PACIFIC RAILWAY CO.

Convertible 5 per cent bonds, due September 1, 1959.
November, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
NATIONAL TUBE CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due May 1, 1952.
April, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. and Kissel, Kinnicutt & Co.. jointly, took a participation of $3,000,000 underwriting through J. P. Morgan & Co., First National
Bank. New York, and the National City Bank, New York.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $1,363,500 bonds.
Clark, Dodge & Co. participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the underwriting and sale of these bonds.



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NEW ENGLAND TELEPHONE & TELLGRAPH CO.

Five per cent bonds, due October 1, 1932.
October, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $250,000 underwriting through
Kidder, Peabody & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $1,183,000 bonds.
NEW YORK CENTBAL 4 HUDSON RIVER RAILROAD CO.

Four per cent debenture bonds, due Slay, 1934.
.rune, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $1,000,000 underwriting through
J P. Morgan & Co.
Lee. Higginson & Co. sold $1,465,000 bonds.
Thirteen banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
Lewisohn Bros., New York, N. Y.
National Copper Bank, Xew York, N. Y.
A. 6. Edwards & Sons, St. Louis, Mo.
First Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
And nine other banks and bankers in other cities.
Boston & Albany equipment trust 4i per cent bonds, dated October 1, 1912,
due October 1, 1913-1927, inclusive.
October, 1912.
$5,220,000 bonds bought by Kissel, Kinnicut & Co. and Lee, Higginson & Co.,
jointly.
NEW YORK, CHICAGO & ST. LOUIS RAILROAD CO.

Debenture 4 per cent bonds, due May, 1931.
July, 1908.
$1,549,000 bonds bought by a syndicate composed of—
Lee, Higginson & Co., Boston, Mass.
Moffat & White, New York, N. Y.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
Henry & West, Philadelphia, Pa.
Montgomery, Clothier & Tyler, Philadelphia, Pa.
Debenture 4 per cent bonds, due May 1, 1931.
January, 1909.
$3,942,000 bonds bought by a syndicate as follows:
Lee, Higginson & Co., Boston, Mass.
Moffat & White, New York, N. Y.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
N. W. Harris & Co., New York, N. Y.
The following participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the underwriting
aud sale of these bonds:
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, 111., and one foreign banker.
NEW YORK, NEW HAVEN & HARTFORD RAILROAD CO.

Harlem & Port Chester Division 4 per cent bonds, due May 1, 1954.
March, 1906.
Sl.000,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co. and Mackay & Co. jointly.
Five per <-ent coupon notes, due December 31, 1908.
January, 1907.
Lee. Higginsou & Co. took a participation of $95,000 underwriting through
Hornblower & Weeks.v
Lee, Higginson k Co. sold $25,000 notes.
Five per cent coupon notes, due January 9, 1910, January 9, 1912.
January, 1907.
Lee, Higginson & Co., Hornblower & Weeks fBoston), and the First National
Bank of Boston bought of the New York. Xew Haven & Hartford Railroad Co..
$7,000,000 notes.
Harlem River & Port Chester first 4"s, 1954.
Pawtuxet Valley first 4's, 1925.
Roston & New York Air Line first 4's, ]95">.
\ c w Hiiven & Northampton 4's, 195G.



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New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co. 3-year 4i per cent notes.
May, 1908.
Lee. Higginson & Co. took a participation of $750,000 in the syndieatp concerned with the above securities through Kidder, Peabody & Co.
Four and one-half per cent notes, due February 1, 1912.
January, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought of the New York, Xew Haven & Hartford
Railroad Co.. with J. P. Morgan & Co., $10,000,000 notes.
F. S. Moseley & Co. and Bond & Goodwin participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the underwriting and sale of these notes.
Four and one-half per cent notes, due March 1, 1912.
January, 1911.
Lee. Higginson & Co. took a participation of $500,000. underwriting through
P. S. Moseley & Co.
One-year 4 per cent notes, due January 15, 1913.
January, 1912.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought $10,000,000 notes through J. P. Morgan & (Jo.
One-year 5 per cent notes, due December 1. 1913.
November. 1912.
Lee. Higginson & Co., bought through J. P. Morgan & Co., $7,500,000 notes.
NEW YORK TANNING EXTBACT CO.

Six per ceut gold bonds, due January 1, 1927.
June. 1011.
$1,500,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
NEW YORK TELEPHONE CO.

First and general mortgage 4J per cent bonds, due November 1, 1939.
March. 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
Kidder. Peabody & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $167,000 bonds.
NEW YOEK, WESTCHESTEB & BOSTON BAILWAY CO.

First mortgage
July. 1911.
Lee. Higginson
Kissel, Kinnicutt
Lee, Higginson

4i per cent bonds, due July 1, 1946.
& Co. took a participation of $1,000,000 underwriting through
& Co. and Harris. Forbes & Co.
& Co. sold $500,000 bonds.
NIPE BAY CO.

Six per cent first mortgage convertible notes, due June 1, 1909.
June. 1906.
$2,750,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Eighteen banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co.. Boston, Mass.
First National Bank, Boston, Mass.
City Trust Co., Boston. Mass.
Mercantile Trust Co., Boston, Mass.
Old Colony Trust Co.. Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr. Boston. Mass.
Edgerly & Crocker. Boston, Mass.
And 10 other banks and bankers in other cities.
First mortgage 6 per cent notes, due June 1, 1914.
January, 1909.
Lee. Higginson & Co. bought of the Nipe Bay Co. $3,500,000 notes.
Debenture 6 per cent bouds. due June 1. 1917.
May, 1911.
$020,000 bought by Lee. Higgiuson & Co.



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NOBCBOSS BEOS. CO.

Six per cent collateral trust bonds, due October 1, 191?.
August, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought of Noreross Bros. Co. $400,000 bonds.
NORFOLK & WESTERN RAILWAY CO.

Car-trust certificates, series D, E, and F.
January, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
Brown Bros. & Co., Philadelphia.
Five per cent secured notes, due May 1, 1910.
April, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $400,000 underwriting through
the Guaranty Trust Co., of New York.
Divisional first lien and general mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due July, 1, 1944.
January, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
the Guaranty Trust Co., of New York.
OBEGON-WASHINGTON

RAILROAD AND NAVIGATION CO.

First and refunding mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due January, 1961.
May, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $200,000 through Kuhn, Loeb
& Co. and Baring Brothers & Co. (Ltd.)
PACIFIC TELEPHONE <Js TELFGRAPH CO.

First mortgage and collateral trust 5 per cent bonds, due January 2, 1937.
March, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
Kidder, Peabody & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $257,000 bonds.
First mortgage collateral trust 5 per cent bonds, due January 2, 1937.
March, 1910.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
Bond & Goodwin.
Two-year 5 per cent notes, due January 5. 1913.
January, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $250,000 underwriting through
Bond & Goodwin.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $350,000 notes.
PENNSYLVANIA CO.

Four per cent bonds, due April 1, 1931.
January, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $150,000 underwriting through
Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $69,000 bonds.
POBTLAND RAILWAY, LIGHT & POWER CO.

First and refunding 5 per cent bonds, due February 1,1942.
February, 1912.
$16,000,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co. and Drexel & Co., for themselves and B. W. Clark & Co., of Philadelphia, and J. & W. Seligman & Co., of
New York.
Forty-three banks and bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co., in
the sale and underwriting of these bonds, as follows:
Redmond & Co., New York, N. Y.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
Blodget & Co., Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Bond & Goodwin, Boston, Mass.



1940

MONEY TEUST.

Forty-three banks and bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the sale and undewritins of these bonds, as follows—Continued.
Merrill, Oldham & Co., Boston, Mass.
James A. Hutchinson, Boston. Mass.
Edmunds Bros., Boston, Mass.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York. N. Y.
Dick Bros. & Co., New York, N. Y.
Kean, Taylor & Co., New York, N. Y.
Thompson, Singleton & Co., New York, If. Y.
A'an Antwerp. Bishop & Co., New York, N. Y.
Equitable Trust Co., New York, N. Y.
Walker Bros., New York, N. Y.
Mills, Chapman & Co., Chicago, 111.
Ames, Emerich & Co., Chicago, 111.
National City Bank, Chicago, 111.
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
State Bank of Chicago. Chicago, 111.
People's Trust & Savings Bank. Chicago, 111.
Hayden, Miller & Co., Cleveland, Ohio.
Field, Longstreth & Co., Chicago, 111.
Union Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
D. Arthur Bowman & Co., St. Louis, Mo.
Edwin White & Co., Chicago, 111.
Security Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
Fidelity Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
Strandberg, McGreevy & Co., Chicago, 111.
And 14 other banks and bankers in other cities.
PORTLAND & OGDENSBURG RAILROAD CO.

First mortgage 4i per cent bonds, due November 1. 1928.
April. 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought $2,119,000 bonds.
Six bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co. in the underwriting
nnd sale of the bonds, as follows:
Blodgett. Merritt & Co., Boston, Mass.
R. L. Day & Co.. Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston. Mass.
Kidder, Peabody & Co., Boston. Mass.
Merrill, Oldham & Co., Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
BEED-PBENTICE CO.

Seven per cent preferred stock and common stock.
April. 1912.
Lee. Higginson & Co. bought of the Reed-Prentice Co. 12,500 shares of preferred. 2,246 shares of common.
RICHMOND-WASHINGTON CO.

Guaranteed collateral trust mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due June 1, 1943.
April, 1907.
$1,000,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
The following bankers participated through Lee. Higginson & Co. in the
underwriting and sale of these bonds:
Henry & West, Philadelphia. Pa.
Redmond & Co., New York, N. Y.
And two foreign bankers.
Guaranteed collateral trust mortgage 4 per cent bonds, due June 1, 1943.
November, 1912, $500,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Graham & Co., Philadelphia, participated through Lee. Higginson & Co. In
the underwriting and sale of these bonds.
ST. LOCTS & SAN FBANCISCO RAILROAD CO.

First and refunding 4's. due July 1, 1951.
August, 1906.



MONEY TEUST.

1941

Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting, through
Redmond & Co.
Two-year 5 per cent notes, due 1913.
May, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $100,000 underwriting through
P. S. Moseley & Co.
SOUTHERN PACIFIC CO.

Convertible 4 per cent gold bonds, due June 1, 1929.
February, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $150,000 underwriting through
Kuhn, Loeb & Co.
SOUTHERN RAILWAY CO.

Equipment trust 4t per cent bonds, series L, due each six months, August 1,
1908, to August, 1921.
December, 1905.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $1,000,000 underwriting through
Drexel & Co.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $211,000 bonds.
Six per cent convertible gold notes, due May 1, 1911.
May, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $500,000 underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
Development and general mortgage 4 per cent bonds, series A, due April
1, 1956.
February, 1909.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $500,000 underwriting through
J. P. Morgan & Co.
TERMINAL RAILROAD ASSOCIATION OF ST. LOUIS.

General mortgage refunding 4 per cent bonds, due January 1, 1953.
May, 1908.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $500,000 through Moffatt &
White.
TERRE HAUTE, INDIANAPOLIS & EASTERN TRACTION CO.

B'trst refunding 5 per cent bonds, due April 1, 1945.
April, 1910, to May, 1911.
$6,500,000 bonds bought by a syndicate composed of Lee, Higginson & Co.,
Estabrook & Co., and Drexel & Co.
T H E TEXAS CO.

Common stock.
May, 1910.
Lee, Iligginson & Co. subscribed for $40,000 par value of the stock.
UNION BAG & PAPER CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due July 1, 1930.
April, 1909.
$800,000 bonds were bought by Lee, Higginson & Co. and the National City
Bank, jointly.
A foreign banker participated in the underwriting taken by Lee, Higginson
& Co.
First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due July 1, 1930.
March, 1912.
$750,000 bonds bought by the National City Bank of New York and Lee,
Higginson & Co.
Twenty-one banks and bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co.,
in the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
Blodget & Co.. Boston, Mass.
A. P.. Leach & Co., Boston, Mass.
George C. Scott, Boston, Mass.



1942

MONEY TEUST.

Twenty-one banks and bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co., in
the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows—Continued.
Hornblower & Weeks, New York, N. Y.
Stevens, Chapman & Co., Chicago. 111.
Guardian Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co.. Chicago, 111.
William It. Conipton Co., Chicago, 111.
Hornblower & Weeks, Chicago, 111.
Ames, Emerich & Co., Chicago, 111.
And 11 others in other cities.
UNION STEEL CO.

First mortgaee and collateral trust 5 per cent bonds, due December 1, 1952.
March, 1909.
Lee, Uigginson & Co. took a participation of $50,000 underwriting through the
Guaranty Trust Co., of New York.
Lee, Higginson & Co. sold $1,000 bond.
UNITED FEUIT CO.

Debenture 4j per cent bonds, due July 1, 1923.
November. 190S.
$4,250,000 bonds bought of the company by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Twenty-sis banks and bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co.,
in the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
Blodget. Merritt & Co., Boston, Mass.
Brown Bros. & Co., Boston, Mass.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston, Mass.
Edgerley & Crocker, Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
Guaranty Trust Co. of New York, New York, N. Y.
Henry & West. Philadelphia, Pa.
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston, Mass.
Jackson Jc Curtis. Boston. Mass.
Kidder, Peabody & Co., Boston, Mass.
Moffat & White, New York, N. Y.
J. P. Morgan & Co., New York. N. Y.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
National City Bank, New York, N. Y.
Parkinson & Burr. Boston, Mass.
Perry, Coffin & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Townsend. Anthony & Tyson, Boston, Mass.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
American Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
And five others in other places.
Fouv and one-half per cent sinking fund bonds, due July 1, 1925.
December. 1910.
$1,500,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
The following bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co., in the
underwriting and sale of these bonds:
Edgerly & Crocker, Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
And one foreign banker.
Four and one-half per cent sinking fund bonds, due July 1, 1925.
June, 1911.
$2,500,000 bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Thirteen bunks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co., in
the underwriting and sale of the bonds, as follows:
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, III.
Graham & Co.. Philadelphia. Pa.
Clarke, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
Old Colony Trust Co.. Boston. Mass.



MONEY TRUST.

1943

Thirteen banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co., in
the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows—Continued.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
P. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
Edgerly & Crocker, Boston, Mass.
And five others in other places.
UNITED STATES SMELTING, REFINING & MINING CO.

Common and preferred shares (par $50).
October, 1906.
Fifty thousand and sixty-eight shares of preferred and fifty thousand and
sixty-eight shares of common stock, underwritten by Lee, Higginson & Co.
The following bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co., in this
underwriting:
Hayden, Stone & Co., Boston, Mass.
Francis Henshaw & Co., Boston, Mass.
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston, Mass.
Jackson & Curtis, Boston, Mass.
Kidder, Peabody & Co., Boston, Mass.
Mackay & Co., Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Strong, Sturgis & Co., New York, N. Y.
Tucker, Hayes & Co., Bostqn, Mass.
L. Vogelstein & Co., New York, N. Y.
And five foreign bankers.
Three-year 5 per cent notes, due August 1,1914.
August, 1911.
$4,000,000 notes bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Seventeen banks and bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co., in
the underwriting and sale of these notes, as follows:
Hayden, Stone & Co., Boston, Mass.
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
Jackson & Curtis, Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
First National Bank of Boston, Boston, Mass.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston, Mass.
Dick Bros., New York, N. Y.
Hanover National Bank, New York, N. Y.
Guaranty Trust Co., New York, N. Y.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
First Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
St. Louis Union Trust Co., St. Louis, Mo.
Union Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
And two others in other cities.
VIRGINIAN RAILWAY CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due May 1, 1962.
March, 1912.
$25,000,000 bonds bought by Kissel, Kinnicutt & Co. and Lee, Higgiuson & Co.
Eighty-four banks and bankers participated in the underwriting and sale of
these bonds, as follows:
National City Bank, New York, N. Y.
Blake Bros. & Co., Boston, Mass.
Blodget & Co., Boston, Mass.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
Hunt, Saltonstall & Co., Boston, Mass.
Jackson & Curtis, Boston, Mass.
Adams & Co., Boston, Mass.
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston, Mass.



1944

MONEY TBUST.

Eighty-four banks and bankers participated in the underwriting and sale of
these bonds, as follows—Continued.
Bankers' Trust Co., New York, X. T.
Chase National Bank, New York, N. Y.
Coggeshall & Hicks, New York, N. Y.
James B. Colgate & Co., New York, N. Y.
Craig & Jenks, New York, N. Y.
Dick Bros. & Co., New York, N. Y. •
Dominick & Dominick, New York, N. Y.
Federal Utilities Co., New York, N. Y.
Guaranty Trust Co., New York, N. Y.
N. W. Halsey & Co., New York, N. Y.
Hornblower & Weeks, New York, N. Y.
Josepthal, Loucheim & Co., New York, N. Y.
Markol, Morgan & Whitney, New York, N. Y.
McCurdy, Henderson & Co., New York, N. Y.
Millett, Roe & Hagen, New York, N. Y.
Pyne, Kendall & Hollister, New York, N. Y.
J. & W. Seligman & Co., New York, N. Y.
F. S. Smithers & Co., New York, N. Y.
Thompson, Towle & Co., New York, N. Y.
Van Antwerp, Bishop & Co., New York, N. Y.
White & Co., New York, N. Y.
H. N. Whitney & Co., New York, N. Y.
Cassatt & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
E. W. Clark & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
Dick Bros., Philadelphia, Pa.
Drexel & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
William B. Compton Co., St. Louis, Mo.
Francis Bros. & Co., St. Louis. Mo.
King, Farnum & Co., Chicago, 111.
St. Louis Union Trust Co., St. Louis, Mo.
G. H. Walker & Co., St. Louis, Mo.
D. Arthur Bowman & Co., St. Louis, Mo.
Babcock, Rushton & Co., Chicago, 111.
Chapman, Mills & Co., Chicago, 111.
Continental & Commercial Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
A. G. Edwards & Sons, St. Louis, Mo.
Guardian Savings & Trust Co., Cleveland, Ohio.
Hayden, Miller & Co., Cleveland, Ohio.
Hornblower & Weeks, Chicago, 111.
Northern Trust Co.. Chicago, HI.
Union Trust Co., Chicago, 111.
And 34 other banks and bankers in other cities.
WABASH RAILROAD CO.

Buffalo Terminal Association.
First-mortgage coupon notes 6 per cent, due June 29,1907.
June, 1906.
Lee, Higginson & Co. bought of the Wabash Railroad Co. $835,000 notes.
Equipment trust 4* per cent bonds, " Series C", dated July 1, 1906, due
July 1. 1907, to July 1, 1916, inclusive.
June, 1906.
$6,180,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Twenty-one banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginson & Co.
in the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows:
Brown Bros. & Co., Boston, Mass.
Clark, Dodge & Co., New York, N. Y.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston, Mass.
Drexel & Co., Philadelphia, Pa.
A. G. Edwards & Sons, St. Louis, Mo.
N. W. Halsey & Co., New York, N. Y.
Henry & West, Philadelphia. Pa.
Hornblower & Weeks, Boston, Mass.
Jackson & Curtis, Boston, Mass.
S. P. Loring & Son, Boston, Mass.



MONEY XKUST.

1945

Twenty-one banks and bankers participated through Lee, Higginsou & Co.. in
the underwriting and sale of these bonds, as follows—Continued.
Merchants Loan & Trust Co.. Chicago. 111.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Redmond & Co., New York. N. Y.
J. & W. Seligman & Co.. New York, X. Y.
And seven other banks and bankers in other cities.
One-year collateral trust gold notes, due June 29, 1909.
June. 1908.
$350,000 notes bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
WESTERN ELECTRIC CO.

Collateral trust 4J per cent notes, due January 1, 1912.
December, 1909.
$5,000,000 notes bought by I-ee. Higginson & Co.
First-mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due December 31, 1922.
January. 1910.
$8,750,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Thirty banks and bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & .Co.. in the
underwriting and sale of these bonds, MS follows:
Bond & Goodwin. Boston, Mass.
Brown Bros. & Co.. Boston. Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston. Mass.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston Mass.
James A. Hutchinson. Boston, Mass.
Kidder. Peabody & Co., Boston. Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co., Boston, Mass.
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Graham & Co., Philadelphia. Pa.
Manhattan Trust Co., New York, N. Y.
A. G. Edwards & Sons, St. Louis, Mo.
First Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago, 111.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank. Chicago. 111.
Merchants Loan & Trust Co., Chicago. 111.
National City Bank, Chicago, 111.
And fifteen others in other cities.
First-mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due December 31, 1922.
November. 1910.
$6,250,000 bonds bought by Lee, Higginson & Co.
Twenty banks and bankers participated, through Lee, Higginson & Co. in
the underwriting and sale of these bonds, ns follows:
Parkinson & Burr, Boston, Mass.
Estabrook & Co., Boston, Mass.
F. S. Moseley & Co.. Boston, Mass.
Curtis & Sanger, Boston, Mass.
Brown Bros., Boston, Mass.
Bond & Goodwin. Boston, Mass.
James A. Hutchinson. Boston. Mass.
J. P. Morgan & Co.. New York. N. Y.
Graham & Co.. Philadelphia, Pa.
Manhattan Trust Co.. New York, N. Y.
Bank of Montreal (agency), New York, N. Y.
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank. Chicago. 111.
First Trust & Savings Bank. Chicago, 111.
Merchants Loan & Trust Co.. Chicago, 111.
And six others in other places.
WESTERN PACIFIC CO.

First mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due September 1. 1933.
April. 1905, to May, 1909.
Lee. Higginson & Co. took a participation of $300,000 underwriting through
Blair & Co., William Salomon & Co., nnd William A. Read & Co.
71352—PT 25—13
10



1946

MONEY TKUST.
WESTEBN TELEPHONE & TELEGRAPH CO.

Five per cent notes, due December 15, 1911.
January, 1911.
Lee, Higginson & Co. took a participation of $200,000 underwriting through
F. S. Moseley & Co.

EXHIBIT NO. 217, JANUARY 22,

1913.

ROPES, OBAY & GOBHAM,

Boston, January 3, 1913.
SAMUEL UNTEBMYEB, Esq.,

37 Wall Street, New York City, N. Y.
MY DEAB MB. UNTEBMYEB : You asked me for certain participations
writings referred to in data which I handed you on Wednesday last.
lowing are the figures which you desired:
American Agricultural Chemical Co. 20-year first mortgage 5 per cent
convertible bonds, dated Oct. 1, 1908:
September and October, 1908—
Chase National Bank
National City Bank
J. P. Morgan & Co
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co
January,1911—
J. P. Morgan & Co
National City Bank
Chase National Bank
Northern Trust Co., Chicago
Continental & Commercial National Bank, Chicago
First Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago
American Agricultural Chemical Co. 0 per cent cumulative preferred
stock:
April, 1912—
National City Bank
Kuhn. Loeb & Co
Cuduhy Packing Co. first mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due May 1,
1924:
April, 1909—
National City Bank
J. P. Morgan & Co
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank
Illinois Steel Co. debenture 44 per cent bonds, due Apr. 1, 1940:
July, 1911—
St. Louis Union Trust Co., St. Louis
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co., Chicago
Continental & Commercial Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago..
April, 1912—
White, Weld & Co., New York
Kidder, Peabody & Co., Boston
Continental & Commercial National Bank, Chicago
Maine Central Railroad Co. 4$ per cent coupon notes, dated Apr. 1,
1910:
March, 1910—
J. P. Morgan & Co
Metropolitan Street Railway Co., Kansas City, first lien refunding
mortgage 5 per cent bonds:
February, 1911—
J. P. Morgan & Co
Portland Railway, Light & Power Co., first and refunding 5 per cent
bonds:
February. 1912—
Chicago Savings Bank & Trust Co.. Chicago



in underThe fol-

$250,000
250,000
250,000
45,000
150,000
125,000
100,000
25,000
25,000
25,000

100,000
100, 000

200,000
100,000
50, 000
25,000
100,000
25,000
50,000
125,000
50,000
100,000

2,000,000

640,000

10,000

MOSEY TKUST.

1947

Virginian Railway Co. first mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due Hay 1,
1962:
March, 1912—
National City Bank
$7,600,000
Bankers Trust Co
150,000
Chase National Bank
150,000
Guaranty Trust Co
150,000
Continental & Commercial Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago. _ 125,000
Wabash Railroad Co. equipment trust 4* i.er cent bonds, " Series CV'
dated July 1, 1906:
June, 1906—
Drexel & Co., Philadelphia
300,000
Western Electric Co. first mortgage 5 per cent bonds, due Dec. 31,
1922:
January, 1910—
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago
825,000
November, 1910—
J. P. Morgan & Co
250.000
Illinois Trust & Savings Bank, Chicago
200,000
First Trust & Savings Bank
100,000
Yours, very truly,

CLIFT ROGERS CLAPP.

EXHIBIT NO. 218, JANUABT 23, 1913.
HENBY L. HIGGINSON.

American Telephone & Telegraph Co.
Boston Herald (Inc.).
Cherry River Coal Mining Co.
Gauley Coal Land Co.
General Electric Co.
Marysville Dredging Co. and one subsidiary company.
National Shawniut Bank, Boston.
New England Exploration Co. and three subsidiary companies.
New England Investment & Securities Co.
Provident Institution for Sayings.
Rolfe Coal Mining Co.
Submarine Signal Co.
GAEDINEE M . LANE.

American Agricultural Chemical Co.
Broadway Realty Co., New York.
Central Colorado Power Co.
Harrison Bros. & Co. (Inc.), Philadelphia.
Interborough Rapid Transit Co., New York.
Louisville & Nashville Railroad Co.
Manchester Electric Co., Manchester, Mass.
Massachusetts Electric Companies.
Merchants Steam Lighter Co.
Montana Power Co.
Old Colony Trust Co., Boston.
Pennsylvania Water & Power Co.
Puget Sound Electric Railway Co.
Puget Sound Traction, Light & Power Co.
Rapid Transit Subway Construction Co., New York.
United States Steel Corporation.
JAMES J . STOBBOW.

American Writing Paper Co.
Cambridge Trust Co.
Columbia Rope Co.
Dallas Electric Corporation.
Essex Co.
First National Bank.
General Motors Co.
Houston Electric Companies.
Massachusetts Fire & Marine Insurance Co.
New England Casualty Co., Boston.



1948

MONEY TEUSX.

Nipe Bay Co.
Ponce Electric Co.
Railway & Light Securities Co.
Research Corporation.
Revere Sugar Refinery Co.
Savannah Electric Co.
Seattle Electric Co.
Simmons Sugar (Ltd.).
Tower Oiled Clothing Co.
United Fruit Co.
United States Smelting, Refining & Mining Co. and three subsidiary com
panies.
William Underwood Co.
GEORGE C. LEE.

Central Aguirre Sugar Companies.
Central Colorado Power Co.
City Investing Co., New York.
Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston.
Fall River Gas Works Co.
Galveston-Houston Electric Co.
Northern Texas Electric Co.
Puget Sound Traction, Light & Power Co.
Security Safe Deposit Co., Boston.
Union Safe Deposit Vaults.
N. PENBOSE HALLOU ELL.

Bankers' Elec. Protective Association.
Blue Hill National Bank, Milton, Mass.
Houston Electric Co.
National Bank of Commerce, Boston.
FRANCIS L. HIGGINSOS. JK.

Commonwealth Trust Co., Boston.
CHARLES H. SCH»VEPP£.

(Admitted as a partner Jan. 1, 1913.)
Iroquois Iron Co.
In all, 66 corporations.
EXHIBIT NO. 219, JANUABY 23.

1913.

Table showing balances of J. P. Morgan & Co. in different banks on Jan. 2. 1012.
Deposits of
J. P. Morgan
& Co.

Name of bank.

A Tnflrfr*an F-y^ftTigft " ^ t f o i f t ' "RH"V . . . .

Ohemioftl Sfttion^ TI^"V
Ohftse Xfttio"^! Pf^n^
National Rftnfr of ComTnoreft
National City Bank

X-atiViTml pprV TlHTlV

Cinirnnty TY"*t. ^n
Mechanics & Metals National Bank
T.I>ior+y NTBtinTml R a n t

Central Trust Co
New York Trust Co
Boston:
First National Bank
Seonnd National R f l " ^ . . . , . .
ShawTTint: Vfttinnal "Rftnfc ,
Old Colony Trust Co




...
. .

81,228,000
837,000
1,055,000
1 084 000
815.000
935,000
1.035,000
1.101,000
1 000 000
233,000
25,000
100,000
100.000
100,000
260.000
2J5,000
228.000
102,000

MONEY TEUST.

1949

EXHIBIT XO. 220, JANUARY 23,

1913.

Table showing balances of J. P. Morgan & Co. in different banks on Nov. 1, 1912.
Deposits of
J. F. Morgan
&Co.

Name of bank.

52,110,000
1,383,000
1.296,000
856,000
922 000
794,000
1,100,000
1,000,000
1,000,000
26,000
647,000
100,000
100,000
100,000

Vmp.riPHti Ficflhanpp NRtmnfll RflnV

Chemical National Bank
Chase National Bank
National Rft"k nf^ommprpp. ..
First National Bank
National City Bank
Vfttri"«Hl P(\rlr R^nlr

Guaranty Trust Co . .
Bankers Trust Co

AfpNiftnips fr Mptftls? National Rqnk
T,ihprty National RfiTilr

Standard Trust Co
I entral Trust Co
New York Trust Co
Boston:
First National Bank

190,000
140,000
247,000
84,000

^pnnnil Nfttimifil K^nk

^hawmut National Bank.
Old Colony Trust Co

EXHIBIT 221, JANUARY 23,

1913.

SOVTIILBN RAILWAY CO.—C. H. COSTER AND OTHERS, COMMITTEE, WITH
VOTING TRUSTEES.—AGREEMENT.—OCTOBER 15, 1894.

THE

This agreement, made in the city of New York this fifteenth day of October,
eighteen hundred and ninety-four, by and between C. H. Coster, George Sherman, and Anthony J. Thomas, a committee under a certain plan and agreement
for the reorganization of the Richmond and West Point Terminal Railway and
Warehouse Company and its •• subordinate companies," made the first day of
May, eighteen hundred and ninety-three, and subsequently from time to time
modified (hereinafter called the Committee), parties of the first part, and J.
Pierpont Morgan, Charles .I.anier, and George F. Baker (hereinafter called the
Voting Trustees), parties of the second part, witnesseth as follows:
Whereas the Committee has delivered to the Voting Trustees certificates for
fully-paid shares of one hundred dollars ($100) each of the capital stock of the
Southern Railway Company fa corporation of Virginia), as follows: 1,199,000
shares of the common stock, 500,000 shares of the preferred stock.
Which certificates, together with such other similar certificates as hereafter
from time to time may be delivered hereunder, are to be held and disposed of
by the Voting Trustees under and pursuant to the terms and conditions hereof;
Now, therefore:
First. The Voting Trustees do hereby promise and agree with the Committee,
and with each and every holder of certificates issued as hereinafter provided,
that from time to time, upon request, they will cause to be issued to the Committee, or upon its order, in respect of all stock received from it, and to the
railway company, or upon its order, in respect of all stock received from it,
certificates in substantially the following form:
SOUTHERN RAILWAY COMPANY.

Common stock trust certificate.
This is to certify that, as hereinafter provided,
will be entitled to
receive a certificate or certificates for
fully-paid shares of one hundred
dollars each in the common capital stock of the Southern Railway Company,
and in the meantime to receive payments equal to the dividends. If any, collected
by the undersigned Voting Trustees upon a like number of such shares standing
in their names; and, until after the actual delivery of such certificates, the
Voting Trustees shall possess, and shall be entitled to exercise, all rights of
every name and nature, including the right to vote, in respect of any and all
such stock: it being expressly stipulated that no voting right passes by or under
this certificate, or by or under any agreement expressed or implied. No stock




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certificates shall be due or deliverable liereuuder before the first day of July,
1899, nor until after the Southern Railway Company, in one year, shall have
paid five per cent cash dividends on its preferred stock: but the Voting Trustees,
in their discretion, may make earlier delivery.
This certificate is issued under and pursuant to the terms and conditions of
a certain agreement dated October 15, 1894, by and between C. H. Coster,
George Sherman, and Anthony J. Thomas, as a Committee, and the undersigned
Voting Trustees.
This certificate is transferable only on the books of the undersigned Voting
Trustees by the registered holder either in person or by attorney duly authorized according to rules established for that purpose by the undersigned Voting
Trustees and on surrender hereof; and until so transferred the undersigned
Voting Trustees may treat the registered holder as owner hereof for all purposes
whatsoever, except that delivery of stock certificates hereunder shall not be
made without the surrender hereof.
This certificate is not valid unless duly signed by Drexel, Morgan & Co., as
agents, and also registered by the Central Trust Company, of Xew York, as
registrar.
In witness whereof, the undersigned Voting Trustees have caused this certificate to be signed by Drexel, Morgan & Co., their duly-authorized agents, this
day of
, 189—.
J. PIEBPONT MORGAN,
CHABLES LANIEB,
GEORGE F. BAKER,

Voting Trustees.
By their agents hereunder,
Registered this

day of

, 139—.

CENTBAL TBTJST COMPANY OF NEW YOBK, Registrar.

By

.

Entered:
Transfer Clerk.
SOUTHERN RAILWAY COMPANY.

Preferred stock trust certificate.
This is to certify that, as hereinafter provided,
will be entitled
to receive a certificate or certificates for
fully-paid shares of one hundred
dollars each in the preferred capital stock of the Southern Railway Company,
and in the meantime to receive payments equal to the dividends, if any, collected
by the undersigned Voting Trustees upon a like number of such shares standing
in their names; and, until after the actual delivery of such certificates, the
Voting Trustees shall possess and shall be entitled to exercise all rights of
every name and nature, including the right to vote, in respect of any and all
such stock, it being expressly stipulated that no voting right passes by or under
this certificate, or by or under any agreement expressed or implied. *
This certificate is issued under and pursuant to the terms and conditions of a
certain agreement dated October 15, 1394, by and between C. H. Coster. George
Sherman, and Anthony J. Thomas, as a committee, and the undersigned \oting
trustees. Xo stock certificates shall be due or deliverable hereunder before the
first day of July, 1S99, nor until after the Southern Railway Company, in one
year, shall have paid five per cent cash dividends on its preferred stock; but the
voting trustees, in their discretion, may make earlier delivery.
This certificate is transferable only on the books of the undersigned \oting
trustees by the registered holder, either in person or by attorney duly author^
ized, according to rules established for that purpose by the undersigned voting
trustees, and on surrender hereof, and until so transferred, the undersigned
voting trustees may treat the registered holder as owner hereof for ail purposes
whatsoever, except that delivery of stock certificates hereunder shall not be
madf without the surrender hereof. •
This certificate is not valid unless duly signed by Drexel. Morgan & Co., as
agents, and also registered by the Central Trust Company of Xew York as
registrar.



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In witness whereof the undersigned voting trustees have caused this certificate
to be signed by Drexel, Morgan & Co., their duly-authorized agents, this
day of •
, 1S9—.
J. PlERPONT MOKQAN,
CHABLES LANIER,
GEORGE F. BAKES,

Voting Trustees.
By their agents hereunder,
Registered this

day of

, 189—.

CENTBAL TRUST COMPANY OF NEW YOBK, Registrar.

By
Entered:
•—, Transfer Clerk.
Second. On the first day of July, 1899, if the Southern Railway Company
shall then have paid five per cent cash dividend, in one year, on its preferred
stock, and, if not, then so soon as such dividend shall be so paid, or whenever
the voting trustees shall decide to make delivery prior to such date, without
waiting for such payment of dividend, the voting trustees in exchange for and
upon surrender of stock trust certificates then outstanding will, in accordance
with the terms hereof, deliver proper certificates of stock of the Southern
Railway Company, it being distinctly understood and agreed that at any date
the voting trustees may call upon the holders of stock trust certificates to exchange them for certifictes of capital stock, and at any time after such call may
deliver stock certificates in exchange therefor; and also that the preferred stock
is subject to the exercise at any time by the Southern Railway Company of
any charter right to redeem such stock in cash at par.
Third. From time to time hereafter the committee, or the Southern Railway
Company, may tender and deliver, and the voting trustees will receive, additional fully-paid shares of the capital stock of the Southern Railway Company,
either common or preferred, and in respect of all such shares so received will
issue and deliver certificates similar to those above mentioned, entitling the
liold"rs to all rights above specified.
Fourth. Any voting trustee may at any time resign by delivering to the other
voting trustees, in writing, his resignation, to take effect ten days thereafter;
and in every case of death, or resignation, or of the inability of any voting
trustee to act, the vacancy so occurring shall be filled by the appointment of a
successor or successors to be made by the other voting trustees by a written
instrument; and the term " voting trustees " as herein used shall apply to the
parties of the second part and their successors hereunder.
Fifth. All questions arising between the voting trustees shall from time to
time be determined by a majority, either at a meeting or by writing with or
without meeting, and in like manner they may establish their rules of action.
Sixth. In voting the stock held by them the voting trustees will exercise
their best judgment from time to time to select suitable directors, to the end
that the affairs of the company shall be properly managed, and in voting on
other matters which may come before them at any stockholders" meeting will
exercise like judgment; but they assume no responsibility in respect to such
management or in respect of any action taken pursuant to their votes so cast,
it being understood that no voting trustee incurs any responsibility by reason of
any matter or thing done or omitted under this agreement, except for his own
gross negligence or willful malfeasance.
Seventh. This agreement may be simultaneously executed in several counterparts, each of which so executed shall be deemed to be an original, and such
counterparts shall together constitute but one and the same instrument.
Any voting trustee hereunder may vote in person or by proxy to any other
^.ting trustee or to any person not a voting trustee.
In witness whereof, the several parties hereunto have set their hands and
seals in the city of New York the day and year first above mentioned.




C. H. COSTER,
[SEAL.]
G. SHERMAN,
[SEAL.]
ANTHONY J. THOMAS, [SEAL.]

Committee.
J. PIERPONT MORGAN,
CHARLES LANIER,
GEO. F. BAKER.

[SEAL.]
[SEAL.]
[SEAL.]

Voting Trustee*.

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EXHIBIT NO. 222, JANXTABY 23.

1913.

This agreement, made in the city of New York this 27th day of August, 1902,
by and between
. party of the first part, and J. "Pierpont Morgan,
Charles Lanier, and George F. Baker (hereinafter called the " voting trustees " ) .
parties of the second part, witnesseth as follows:
Whereas the party of the first part is the holder of stock-trust certificates in
respect of fully paid shares of $100 each of the capital stock of the Southern
Railway Company (a corporation of Virginia), issued by the voting trustees
under and pursuant to the terms of a certain agreement dated October 15, 1894,
by and between the voting trustees, parties thereto of the second part, and C. H.
Coster, George Sherman, and Anthony J. Thomas, a committee, parties thereto
ot the first part; and
Whereas the party of the flrst part and other holders of such stock-trust certificates desire, and have requested, that in respect of all stock-trust certificates
stamped as assenting hereto, the said voting trustees shall continue, for the
extended term hereinafter mentioned, to hold the stock represented by such
stock-trust certificates, and to vote thereon, and to possess and to exercise all of
the rights and powers conferred upon and reserved to the voting trustees under
the said former agreement; and
Whereas the voting trustees are willing to accede to the said request and des ! re of the party of the first part, and of all other holders of such stock-trust
certificates, who, by presenting the same to be stamped as hereinafter provided,
shall have indicated their like desire: Now, therefore, in consideration of the
premises:
First. The party of the first part and all holders of stock-trust certificates
issued under the said agreement of October 15. 1894, which shall be stamped as
having assented to and accepted the terms of this agreement, hereby do agree
and consent that in respect of all stock represented by any stock-trust certificate stamped as assenting hereto, the term of the said agreement of October 15,
1894, and the operation thereof, and the rights and powers of the voting trustees
thereunder, shall continue until October 15, 1907, and thereafter until such day
as a majority in amount of the holders of such stock-trust certificates stamped
as assenting to this agreement shall, by vote on the date of any annual election
for directors of the Southern Railway Company, fix as the date for the termination of such agreement and of the rights and powers of the voting trustees
thereunder: without prejudice, however, to the continuing right of the voting
trustees in their discretion to cause to be made earlier delivery of stock certificates in exchange for stock-trust certificates by them theretofore issued.
Second. Article second of the said agreement of October 15, 1894, is hereby
amended «> that the first three lines thereof shall read as follows, to wit:
" Second. Upou such date after October 15. 1907, as a majority in amount of
the holders of stock-trust certificates assenting to this change, shall have fixed
by vote on the date of any annual election for directors of the Southern Rai'way Company held after October 15, 1907. or whenever the voting trustees shall
decide to make delivery," etc.
and as so amended in its second article, the said agreement of October 15. 1894.
is hereby renewed, ratified, confirmed, and extended so far as concerns the
parties hereto and any and nil holders of stock-trust certificates stamped as
assenting hereto.
Third. Every stock-trust certificate issued under said agreement, and which
shall be stamped as next hereinafter provided as having assented to this extension agreement, shall entitle the holder thereof to all the benefits of this agreement, and shall subject him to all the limitations hereof, to the same extent and
in the same manner as though he were a party by name to this agreement and
(o the said agreement of October 15, 1894. amended, modified, and extended as
herein provided.
Such stamping shall be as follows:
" The holder of this stock-trust certificate has assented to and accepted, and
hereby assents to and accepts, the provisions of a certain extension agreement
dated August 27, 1902; and expressly agrees that until such date after October
15, 1907, as a majority in amount of the holders of assenting stock-trust certificates shall have fixed by vote on the date of any annual election for director*
of the Southern Railway Company held after October 15. 1907, no stock certllieate shall be due or deliverable hereunder."
Fourth. The voting trustees have accepted the extension of the term of the
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r-tated in the said agreement of October 15, 1894, they will exercise their best
judgment in the continued discharge of the powers conferred upon them by this
• greeinent.
Fifth. This agreement may be simultaneously executed in several counterparts, each of which when so executed shall be deemed to have been an original,
and such counterparts shall together constitute but one and the same instrument, and the same shall be binding whenever signed by the party of the first
part and au.v two of the said three noting trustees.
In witness whereof the parties have hereunto set their hands and seals the
ilay and vcar first above mentioned.
. [L.8.]
. [L.S.]
. [L.S.]
. [L.S.]
EXHIBIT NO. 223. JANUARY 23.

1913.

SOUTHERN RAILWAY CO.
EXTENDED VOTING TRUST CERTIFRCATES FOB PREFERRED AND COMMON STOCK.
A—2692

COMMITTEE ON STOCK LIST,
NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE,

.Veto York, October 6. 1902.
Referring to the application A-1627, made to your committee November 1,
1894, to list the voting trust certificates for preferred and common stock of
the Southern Railway Co., which application was granted by the governing
committee of the New York Stock Exchange on November 14, 1894, we beg
now to hand you herewith a copy of a circular issued by the voting trustees
under the voting trust agreement dated October 15, 1894, offering, for the
reasons therein set forth, to extend the said voting trust agreement of October
15, 1894, for such holders of voting trust certificates as shall desire such extension to be made, providing at least a majority of the holders of such voting
trust certificates shall assent thereto.
Pursuant to the provisions of said circular, an agreement for the extension
of such voting trust has been prepared, copies of which are herewith submitted.
Pursuant to this agreement, holders of more than a majority of voting trust
certificates for each class of stock have assented to said extension, and have
either caused their stock trust certificates to be stamped as in s-aid agreement
provided, or have signed wiid extension agreement.
The Agreement for the proposed extension of the voting trust provides:
" First. The party of the first part and all holders of stock trust certificates
issued under the said agreement of October 15, 1894. which shall be stamped
as having assented to and accepted the terms of this agreement, hereby do
agree and consent that In respect of all stock represented by any stock trust
certificate stamped as assenting hereto, the term of the said agreement of
October 15, 1894. and the operation thereof, and the rights and powers of the
\olinu trustees thereunder >hall continue until October !.">. 1907. and Thereafter
until such day as a majority m amount of the holders of such stock trust certificates stamped ;.s assenting to this ajiieenieui. shall, by \ ote on the iti'te of any
annual election for directors of the Southern Railway Co., fix as the date for
the termination of such argeemeut and of the rights and powers of the vollni:
trustees thereunder: without prejudice, however, to the coutinuins; right of
the voting trustees in their dicretion to cause to be made earlier delivery of
stock certificates in exchange for stock trust certificates by them theretofore
issued.
" Second. Article second of the said agreement of October 15, 1894, is hereby
p mended so that the first three lines thereof shall read as follows, to wit:
"• • SiM-oud. i'pmi such .Lite aft*er October 15. 10(>7. as a majority in amount of
rhe holders of stock trust certificates assenting to this change, shall have
fixed by vote on the date of any annual election for directors of the Southern
Railway Co. held after October 15, 1907, or whenever the \oting trustees shall
decide to make delivery,' etc..
'and as so amended in its second article, the said agreement of October 15.
IVjl. N hereby renewed, ratified, confirmed, and extended so far as concerns



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the parties hereto and any and all holders of stock-trust certificates stamped
as assenting hereto.
" Third. Every stock-trust certificate issued under said agreement, and which
shall be stamped as next hereinafter provided as having assented to this
extension agreement, shall entitle the holder thereof to all the benefits of this
.•igreement. nml shall s-uhjeoi him r<. nil the limitations hereof, to the -mnn.extent and in the same manner as though he were a party by name to this
agreement and to the said agreement of October 15, 1894, amended, modified,
and extended as herein provided.
•' Such stamping shall be as follows:
•" • The holder of this stock-trust certificate has assented to and accepted,
and hereby assents to and accepts, the provisions of a certain extension agreement dated August 27. 1902; and expressly agrees that until such date after
October 15, 1907. as a majority in amount of the holders of assenting stock-trust
certificates shall have fixed by vote on the date of any annual election for
directors of the Southern Railway Co. held after October 15, 1907, no stock
certificate shall be due or deliverable hereunder.'
" Fourth. The voting trustees have accepted the extension of the term of the
said voting trust as above provided, and upon the conditions and in the manner
stated in the said agreement of October 15, 1894, they will exercise their best
judgment in the continued discharge of the powers conferred upon them by
this agreement.
" Fifth. This agreement may be simultaneously executed in several counterparts, each of which when so executed shall be deemed to have been an original,
and such counterparts shall together constitute but one and the same instrument, and the same shall be binding whenever signed by the party of the nr«i
part and any two of the said three voting trustees."
At this date there have been stamped as " assenting" to the above stated
agreement certificates representing 395,887 preferred shares and certificates
representing 311,935 common shares. In addition thereto we have assurance
that upon quotation being granted, certificates representing something over
125,000 shares preferred and common will be presented for stamping in Amsterdam. In addition to the above stamped " assents" " certificate holders of
record," representing 47,267 shares of preferred and 510,201 shares of common
stock, have become parties to the proposed extension by signing the above
agreement. We have therefore to make application to your committee for a
quotation for such voting-trust certificates now listed on the New York Stock
Exchange, which have been stamped as assenting to an extension of the voting
trust, as provided in the voting trustees' circular above mentioned, and that
additional amounts of assented certificates may be added to the list from time
to time as official notice shall be received that they have been stamped in
accordance with the agreement.
It Is proper that we should call the attention of your committee to the fact
that while, so far as we are aware, there is no dissent on the part of any
trust-certificate holder from the proposed extension, many holders are deterred
from having their certificates stamped or otherwise assenting to the extension for fear that by so doing their certificates will be debarred from quotation
on the New York Stock Exchange. We would therefore respectfully urge upon
yonr committee the disirability of prompt action upon this application.
We are, yours, very respectfully,
J. PIEBPONT MORGAN,
GEOBGE F. BAKEB,
By J. PIEBPOXT MORGAN.
CHARLES LANIER.
J. P. MORGAN & Co..

Agents for Toting Truxtrct.
OCTOBER 8.

1902.

At a meeting held this day, the governing committee directed that the abOM'described extended voting-trust certificates for preferred and common stockbe admitted to the list.




Wa. MCCLURF. Sfrretani.

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EXHIBIT XO. 224, JANTTABY 23, 1913.

[J. P. Morgan & Co., Wall St., corner Broad, New York: Drexel & Co., Philadelphia;
Morgan, Harjes & Co., Paris.]
NEW YORK, March 19, 1903.
WILLIAM H. CBANBEBY, Esq.,

Chairman Committee on Stock List,
Neic York Stock Exchange, yew York.
DEAB SIB : For your information we beg to advise you that we have stamped
as assenting to the extension of the voting trust of the Southern Railway Co.
the following certificates:
Shares.
Preferred stock
540,095
Common stock
1,074,967
Total
1,615,062
out of a total issue of 1,799,000 shares voting trust certificates, and we beg to
advise you that we have issued to date 390 shares of preferred and 50 shares
of common stock of the Southern Railway Co.
Yours, truly,

J. P. MOBGAN & Co.
EXHIBIT NO. 225, JANUABY 23, 1913.

Minutes of the committee on stock list show appearance of Mr. Steele in support of the application: action postponed.
Mr. Steele appeared again September 17, 1902; the application was considered; action deferred.
Mr. Steele appeared again September 29, 1902, in the matter of application.
Mr. Steele appeared again October 6, 1902, in the matter of the application.
The committee voted to report the application to the governing committee without recommendation.
The chief subjects of delay in the listing of the extended voting trust certificates were (1) the date on which the extended voting trust must terminate,
the committee insisting on a fixed date; (2) the form of the new certificate,
the committee insisting on a proper engraved form, to both of which Mr. Steele
assented.
The extended voting trust certificates were listed by governing committee
October 8, 1902. The committee on stock list also reported, without recommendation, application of the Southern Railway Co. voting trust certificates extended
for both preferred and common stock.
Mr. Pomroy moved that the application be granted.
Seconded and carried; part of which states that no dissent to the extension
existed: at the time of listing 947 (80 per cent) common and 568 (94 per cent)
preferred had assented to the extension.
" It is proper that we should call the attention of your committee to the fact
that while so far as we are aware there is no dissent on the part of any trustcertificate holder from the proposed extension, many holders are deterred from
having their certificates stamped or otherwise assenting to the extension for
fear that by so doing their certificates will be debarred from quotation on the
Xew York Stock Exchange. We would therefore respectfully urge upon your
committee the desirability of prompt action upon this application."
At a meeting held this day, the governing committee directed that the abovedescribed extending voting trust certificates for preferred and common stock
be admitted to the list.
The original voting trust certificates remained on the list until March 31, 1903.
Letter J. P. Morgan & Co.. March 19, 1903. states assenting to extension preferred 540,095 shares (.out of"600,000 sharesV common 1.074.967 shares (out of
1,199.000 shares).
The extended voting trust certificates for preferred nnd common stock are
still on the list (June 5, 1912).
Xo application to list stock has been made.