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Minutes of the Financial Stability Oversight Council
November 3, 2023
PRESENT:
Janet L. Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury and Chairperson of the Financial Stability Oversight
Council (Council)
Jerome H. Powell, Chair, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (Federal Reserve)
Martin Gruenberg, Chairman, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)
Gary Gensler, Chair, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)
Rostin Behnam, Chairman, Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)
Rohit Chopra, Director, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB)
Sandra L. Thompson, Director, Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA)
Michael J. Hsu, Acting Comptroller of the Currency, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency
(OCC)
Todd M. Harper, Chairman, National Credit Union Administration (NCUA)
Thomas E. Workman, Independent Member with Insurance Expertise
James Martin, Acting Director, Office of Financial Research (OFR), Department of the Treasury
(non-voting member)
Steven Seitz, Director, Federal Insurance Office (FIO), Department of the Treasury (non-voting
member)
Adrienne Harris, Superintendent, New York State Department of Financial Services (non-voting
member)
Elizabeth K. Dwyer, Superintendent of Financial Services, Rhode Island Department of Business
Regulation (non-voting member) (via videoconference)
Melanie Lubin, Securities Commissioner, Maryland Office of the Attorney General, Securities
Division (non-voting member)
GUESTS:
Department of the Treasury (Treasury)
Nellie Liang, Under Secretary for Domestic Finance (via videoconference)
Sandra Lee, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Council
Laurie Schaffer, Principal Deputy General Counsel
Eric Froman, Assistant General Counsel (Banking and Finance)
Sean Hoskins, Director of Policy, Office of the Financial Stability Oversight Council
Nicholas Steele, Director of Analysis, Office of the Financial Stability Oversight Council
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
Michael Barr, Vice Chair for Supervision
Andreas Lehnert, Director, Division of Financial Stability
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
Susan Baker, Corporate Expert, Division of Complex Institution Supervision and Resolution

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Securities and Exchange Commission
Amanda Fischer, Chief of Staff
Commodity Futures Trading Commission
David Gillers, Chief of Staff
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Gregg Gelzinis, Advisor to the Director
Federal Housing Finance Agency
Naa Awaa Tagoe, Deputy Director, Division of Housing Mission and Goals
Comptroller of the Currency
Jay Gallagher, Senior Deputy Comptroller for Supervision Risk and Analysis
National Credit Union Administration
Andrew Leventis, Chief Economist
Office of the Independent Member with Insurance Expertise
Charles Klingman, Senior Policy Advisor
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
John Williams, President
Richard Crump, Financial Research Advisor, Macrofinance Studies
Office of Financial Research
Sriram Rajan, Associate Director, Research and Analysis Center
Federal Insurance Office
Philip Goodman, Senior Insurance Regulatory Policy Analyst
New York State Department of Financial Services
Karen Lawson, Executive Vice President for Policy and Supervision, Conference of State Bank
Supervisors
Rhode Island Department of Business Regulation
Ethan Sonnichsen, Managing Director, National Association of Insurance Commissioners
(NAIC) (via videoconference)
Maryland Office of the Attorney General, Securities Division
Vincente Martinez, General Counsel, North American Securities Administrators Association
PRESENTERS:
Commercial Real Estate Market Developments
• Hein Bogaard, Lead Economic Expert, Supervision Risk Analysis Division, OCC

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Robert DiChiara, Regional Manager, Division of Insurance and Research, FDIC
Kelby Souhrada, Senior Lead Expert, Systemic Risk Identification Support, OCC
(available for questions)
Filip Zikes, Principal Economist, Division of Financial Stability, Federal Reserve
(available for questions)

Update on Inter-Agency Working Group on Treasury Market Surveillance
• Joshua Frost, Assistant Secretary for Financial Markets, Treasury
Update on the 2023 Annual Report
• Paula Tkac, Executive Vice President and Research Director, Federal Reserve Bank of
Atlanta
Analytic Framework for Financial Stability Risks and Interpretive Guidance on Nonbank
Financial Company Determinations
• Sandra Lee, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Council, Treasury
Executive Session
The Chairperson called the executive session of the meeting of the Council to order at
approximately 1:00 P.M. The Chairperson began by outlining the meeting agenda, which had
previously been distributed to the members together with other materials. The agenda for the
executive session included (1) an update on commercial real estate market developments, (2) an
update on the work of the Inter-Agency Working Group on Treasury Market Surveillance, (3) an
update on the Council’s 2023 annual report, and (4) the Council’s analytic framework for
financial stability risk identification, assessment, and response, and the Council’s final
interpretive guidance on nonbank financial company determinations.
1. Commercial Real Estate Market Developments
The Chairperson introduced the first agenda item, an update on commercial real estate (CRE)
market developments. She introduced Hein Bogaard, Lead Economic Expert in the Supervision
Risk Analysis Division at the OCC, and Robert DiChiara, Regional Manager in the Division of
Insurance and Research at the FDIC, for the update.
Mr. Bogaard stated that the presentation was intended as a follow-up to the presentation at the
June 2023 Council meeting, in which the Council discussed CRE with a focus on banks with
high CRE concentrations. He said that the federal banking agencies had continued to collaborate
to analyze potential tail risk scenarios. He stated that CRE capitalization rates had recently risen,
but not by as much as the increase in 10-year Treasury yields. He said that while CRE
delinquency rates remained stable overall, they were up sharply for office properties, which
constitute approximately one-third of CRE lending. He described the distribution of CRE
lending sources, which includes banks, insurers, non-agency commercial mortgage-backed
securities (CMBS), and real estate investment trusts (REITs).

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Mr. Bogaard noted that staff had conducted scenario analyses, which imposed hypothetical
losses on mortgages and CMBS holdings, to assess the sensitivity of insurance firms to losses in
the CRE sector. He noted that most CMBS holdings of insurers are highly rated and likely
would not experience losses in a downturn. He said that while losses overall were manageable in
the scenario, some firms would experience more capital impact than others. He noted that larger
insurers tend to be more concentrated in CRE than smaller insurers.
Mr. Bogaard stated that equity prices of REITs had been trending down since last year. He noted
that while office REITs are not more highly leveraged than other types of CRE, their net income
metrics were deteriorating. He also said that CMBS issuance had slowed sharply this year and
that spreads on CMBS had widened. He concluded by describing loss rates on CMBS based on
various levels of decline in occupancy rates.
Mr. DiChiara stated that the FDIC, Federal, Reserve, and OCC had collaborated to evaluate a
CRE tail risk scenario for the banking sector. He described potential capital levels after applying
loss scenarios. He noted that the banking agencies had estimated possible effects on bank capital
levels based on scenarios involving extreme CRE loss rates. He said that before the application
of the tail risk scenarios, nearly all the banks were well capitalized. He said that application of
the tail risk scenarios indicated that there would be a greater capital impact on banks with high
CRE concentrations. He also noted that there were generally higher CRE concentrations among
banks with total assets between $1 billion and $10 billion.
Following the presentation, the Chairperson stated that CRE continued to warrant attention from
the Council. She noted that in its June meeting, the Council had discussed how developments in
CRE were impacting banks. Noting that CRE challenges arise partly due to changes in interest
rates, she said that CRE can function as a transmission channel for risk and deserves ongoing
consideration. She said that supervisors should seek to ensure that firms manage risks related to
CRE and that the Council should continue to monitor bank and non-bank financial institutions
with exposures to the CRE market.
Council members then had a discussion regarding the collaborative efforts of banking agencies
to monitor potential CRE risks; the need to examine potential risks comprehensively; and smaller
banks’ exposures to CRE.
2. Update on Inter-Agency Working Group on Treasury Market Surveillance
The Chairperson then turned to the second agenda item, an update on the work of the InterAgency Working Group on Treasury Market Surveillance (IAWG) to strengthen Treasury
market resilience. She introduced Joshua Frost, Assistant Secretary for Financial Markets at
Treasury, for the update.
Mr. Frost stated that the IAWG, whose members are Treasury, the Federal Reserve, the Federal
Reserve Bank of New York, the SEC, and the CFTC, had made important progress across a
range of workstreams since he presented to the Council on this topic in December 2022. He said
that, among other actions, Council member agencies had issued new rule proposals, finalized
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occurred in the Treasury market during 2023, from sources including the stresses that occurred in
March and the recent increases in long-term interest rates. He stated that although the Treasury
market had not experienced the kind of stress that occurred in March 2020, the IAWG members
had continued to advance efforts to enhance market resilience. He said that this work must
remain a top priority, given the importance of the Treasury market for financing the government,
implementing monetary policy, and facilitating the functioning of the financial system as a
whole.
Mr. Frost stated that during the week of November 6, the IAWG planned to publish a staff report
on the progress made since the previous staff report was issued in November 2022. He said that
on November 16, the IAWG members would co-host the annual U.S. Treasury Market
Conference, which he described as an important venue for the official sector and private sector to
discuss the Treasury market.
Mr. Frost stated that Treasury planned to implement a buyback program in 2024 to advance two
principal objectives: providing liquidity support and making Treasury’s cash-management
practices more effective. He said that buybacks can play an important role in helping to make
the Treasury market more liquid and resilient, by providing a regular source of demand for lessliquid securities. He said that the buyback program would also help Treasury to better manage
its cash balance and reduce the volatility of Treasury bill issuance. He stated that these buybacks
were not intended to substantively shift the structure of outstanding debt or to ameliorate periods
of acute market stress.
Mr. Frost then highlighted three developments in IAWG members’ efforts to improve the
resilience of market intermediation. First, he said that the SEC had finalized rules to require
certain broker-dealers engaged in proprietary trading of Treasury securities to register with the
Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA). He said that these rules would improve
oversight of such firms, and also improve transparency for both the official sector and the public,
because once the firms register, their transactions will be included in Trade Reporting and
Compliance Engine (TRACE) data. Second, he stated that IAWG staff members had performed
an initial analysis on the market structure of the off-the-run Treasuries segment, and hoped to
identify potential policy options to improve the resilience of intermediation in this area. He said
that this work built on the work he highlighted to the Council in his presentation last December
regarding all-to-all trading, where one of the key findings was that all-to-all trading was more
prevalent in the on-the-run segment than in the off-the-run segment. Third, he noted that the
SEC had proposed expanding the definition of “dealer” to improve the oversight of important
liquidity providers in the Treasury market, including principal trading firms.
Mr. Frost then addressed the progress made by IAWG members and other Council member
agencies in improving data quality and availability in several areas. First, he said that the OFR
had published its findings from the pilot data collection of non-centrally cleared bilateral
repurchase agreement (repo) transactions that he highlighted in his previous presentation to the
Council. He stated that one of the key findings from the pilot was the prevalence of bilateral
repo activity occurring at what appear to be zero haircuts. He said that in January 2023, the OFR
proposed a rulemaking for a permanent data collection. He said that a permanent collection
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assess market practices and associated risks. Next, he noted that the SEC had adopted several
amendments to Form PF in May 2023, one requiring reporting by large hedge fund advisors that
experience certain potentially significant stress events, and another to gather information from
private liquidity funds. He said that the SEC had adopted similar rules for money market mutual
funds regarding repo activity, sales, and shareholder information. Finally, he noted that the SEC
had recently adopted a rule to require reporting of securities lending activity to FINRA. He said
that the SEC rule also requires FINRA to use that data to provide better public transparency
about the securities lending market. He stated that given the focus across the official sector on
understanding the risks associated with securities financing transactions, money market mutual
funds, and hedge funds, these rules collectively would strengthen the information available to the
official sector and, in certain areas, to the public.
Mr. Frost then discussed several enhancements related to TRACE. He said that FINRA had
taken steps to implement two of the technical enhancements to TRACE data collections for
Treasury securities that he discussed in his December 2022 presentation to the Council. He said
that in May, the timeframe to report Treasury transactions to TRACE was shortened from endof-day to one hour. He also noted that on November 6, a FINRA requirement to improve the
granularity of timestamps would go into effect. He said that in February 2023, FINRA had
improved the public transparency of the TRACE data for Treasury securities. He said that
reporting had become more frequent and that additional information on prices and trade counts
was added for on-the-run securities. He noted that because these improvements were completed
ahead of the bank-related stress in March, the new reports helped the public understand the
impact of those events on Treasury markets. He stated that Treasury and FINRA continued to
work together to implement transaction-level data reporting for on-the-run nominal coupon
Treasury securities, with end-of-day dissemination and appropriate cap sizes. He noted that on
November 2, FINRA had filed a rule proposal with the SEC to proceed with this dissemination.
Mr. Frost then addressed recent progress on central clearing and trading venues. He said that the
SEC was evaluating comments on its rule proposal to expand central clearing in the Treasury
market. He stated that the SEC and CFTC had approved rule changes to improve the operations
of an existing cross-margining agreement, with changes expected to take effect in January. He
also noted that the SEC continued to consider changes to rules for alternative trading systems
(ATSs). He said that the large electronic platforms that host approximately one fifth of the
volume in the Treasury market continued to be exempt from the ATS rules, and he noted that the
SEC was considering removing that exemption as well as making additional trading venues, such
as request-for-quote platforms, subject to the rules.
Addressing fund leverage and liquidity risk, Mr. Frost stated that the Council’s Hedge Fund
Working Group had been using its risk-monitoring framework to track threats, facilitate
communication, and provide updates to the Council. He said that the SEC had adopted rules
related to liquidity risk for money market mutual funds designed to reduce the risk of investor
runs and increase the liquid resources those funds hold to meet redemptions. He also noted that
the Treasury Market Practices Group, which is sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of New
York, had established a working group to study risk-management practices related to noncentrally cleared bilateral repo, which he anticipated would complement the OFR’s datacollection efforts previously discussed.

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Mr. Frost stated in conclusion that the IAWG staffs had made significant progress toward the
goal of improving Treasury market resilience, although he noted that additional work remained.
He said that following the public release of the IAWG staff progress report, these issues would
be discussed at the U.S. Treasury Market Conference on November 16.
Following the presentation, the Chairperson said that the IAWG continued to make important
contributions to the enhancement of Treasury market resilience. She said that the upcoming
publication of a third IAWG staff report indicated that the group continued to focus on making
difficult but necessary changes. She stressed the importance of the Treasury market and
encouraged continued efforts to enhance its resilience.
Council members then had a discussion regarding agencies’ collaboration and rulemaking efforts
on Treasury market resilience.
2. Update on the 2023 Annual Report
The Chairperson then introduced the next agenda item, an update on the Council’s 2023 annual
report. She turned to Paula Tkac, Executive Vice President and Research Director at the Federal
Reserve Bank of Atlanta, for the update.
Ms. Tkac stated that member agencies were collaborating in the drafting of the report. She
described the proposed structure of the report and certain topics that may be addressed, as well as
potential recommendations and the timeline for completing the report.
Council members then had a discussion regarding certain sectors and risks that may be addressed
in the report.
3. Analytic Framework for Financial Stability Risks and Interpretive Guidance on Nonbank
Financial Company Determinations
The Chairperson then introduced the next agenda item, the Council’s analytic framework for
financial stability risk identification, assessment, and response, and the Council’s interpretive
guidance on nonbank financial company determinations. She said that she believed the two
documents would create a rigorous and transparent approach for the Council.
Council members then had a discussion regarding the two documents and the Council’s approach
to monitoring, assessing, and addressing potential risks to financial stability.
The Chairperson adjourned the executive session of the meeting at approximately 1:57 P.M.
Open Session
The Chairperson called the open session of the meeting of the Council to order at approximately
2:04 P.M.
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the Council’s analytic framework for financial stability risk identification, assessment, and
response, and the Council’s final interpretive guidance on nonbank financial company
determinations, followed by a vote on each document, and (2) a vote on the minutes of the
Council’s meeting on September 22, 2023.
1. Analytic Framework for Financial Stability Risks and Interpretive Guidance on Nonbank
Financial Company Determinations
The Chairperson introduced the first agenda item, a presentation and vote on the Council’s
analytic framework for financial stability risk identification, assessment, and response, and the
Council’s interpretive guidance on nonbank financial company determinations. The Chairperson
began by addressing why she believed it is important for the Council to achieve greater public
transparency and analytic rigor and how these two documents would help the Council do so.
The Chairperson stated that financial stability is a public good. She said that the U.S. financial
system enables people to make payments, build businesses, save, and manage risks. She said
that to fulfill our needs, it has evolved to be complex, diverse, and interconnected. She said that
Americans rely on it every day and it has succeeded in supporting American families and
businesses, enabling wealth creation and economic growth over generations. She said that when
it falters, Americans can experience financial crises that can devastate households and businesses
for years afterwards. She said that this underscored the need for the Council. She said that
Congress created the Council after the 2008 global financial crisis to identify and respond to
risks to U.S. financial stability. She stated that to maintain the strength of the financial sector,
the U.S. needs a nimble but robust structure to monitor and address the build-up of risks that
could threaten the financial system. She said that in the lead-up to the global financial crisis,
inadequate oversight led to reckless risk-taking. She said that when large, interconnected
financial companies failed in 2007 and 2008, stress spread through the financial system and then
to the real economy. She stated that the reforms implemented after that crisis substantially
strengthened the financial system, and she noted that the banking system as a whole remains
strong. She noted that recent stresses in some financial sectors arising from the onset of the
COVID-19 pandemic and the sudden failures of some regional banks underscored the continuing
need to remain vigilant to threats to ensure the resilience of the financial system and U.S.
economic strength. She said that this is central to the purpose of the Council and that the
Council’s votes on the documents in the meeting would enhance its ability to fulfill this critical
mission.
The Chairperson stated that the Council would first vote on the analytic framework for financial
stability risks. She said that the framework would help the public better understand how the
Council conducts its work and how it deploys its various statutory tools to respond to risks. She
said that the Council was, for the first time, providing a clear explanation of how it monitors,
evaluates, and responds to potential risks to U.S. financial stability, regardless of whether they
arise from activities, individual firms, or other sources. She said that under the framework, the
Council’s response to a particular risk to financial stability would depend on the nature of the
risk. She stated that risks often emanate from widely conducted activities and can be effectively
addressed through action by an existing regulator or interagency coordination. She said that, at
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The Chairperson next addressed the Council’s interpretive guidance on nonbank financial
company determinations. She stated that among the tools Congress gave the Council is the
authority to designate a nonbank financial company for Federal Reserve supervision and
prudential standards if the company’s material financial distress or activities could pose a threat
to U.S. financial stability. She said that the guidance to be voted on in the meeting would help
ensure that the Council is able to use this authority as needed. She said that the guidance
described in detail the procedural steps the Council would expect to undertake in its review of a
nonbank financial company for potential designation. She stated that these steps involve
rigorous analysis and transparency. She said that the guidance maintained strong procedural
protections for companies under review, including significant Council engagement and
communication, and provided them with opportunities to be heard. She said that the guidance
also affirmed that the Council would engage extensively with a company’s primary financial
regulator. She said that the guidance eliminated several prerequisites to designation introduced
by the interpretive guidance issued by the Council in 2019 that were not contemplated by the
Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (the Dodd-Frank Act) and were
based on a flawed view of how financial risks develop and spread. She said that designation is
only one of the Council’s tools, and she noted that the guidance did not prioritize this tool over
other approaches to addressing financial stability risks. She stated in conclusion that the
Council, in voting to adopt the analytic framework and guidance, would increase the
transparency of the Council’s work and establish a durable process for the Council’s use of its
designation authority, strengthening the Council’s ability to promote a resilient financial system
that supports all Americans. She then introduced Sandra Lee, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the
Council at Treasury, for the presentation.
Ms. Lee stated that she would present the analytic framework and the interpretive guidance for
the Council’s consideration. She noted that the Council issued these proposals in April. She said
that after the comment period closed, interagency staff carefully considered the wide range of
public comments. She said that the two documents reflected that public input.
Ms. Lee stated that the analytic framework provided a public description of how the Council
identifies, assesses, and responds to potential risks to U.S. financial stability, whether they derive
from widely conducted activities or from individual firms. She said that the Council had never
before issued a framework describing how it broadly approaches risks to financial stability
regardless of origin. She said that the framework focused on three components. First, she said
that to identify risks, the Council, in consultation with financial regulators, monitors a broad
range of financial market developments, entities, and activities. She stated that the framework
listed examples of asset classes, sectors, and activities that the Council monitors. Second, she
said that the Council works with existing financial regulators to evaluate potential risks and
determine if they might warrant additional action. She said that these evaluations would be datadriven and fact-specific. She said that the analytic framework specified eight vulnerabilities that
most commonly contribute to financial stability risks and the channels by which the
vulnerabilities can increase risks to financial stability. She stated that this type of analysis can be
applied regardless of whether the Council is considering risks from activities, particular firms, or
other sources. Third, she said that the analytic framework underscored that the Council may
undertake a variety of approaches to respond to identified risks. She said that in many cases, the
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identified financial stability risks. She stated that alternatively, the Council may issue
recommendations to regulators or to Congress. She said that in other cases, the Council may use
one of its designation authorities. She said that the analytic framework did not prioritize any of
the Council’s tools over another. She said that instead, the Council’s actions depend on the
nature of the identified risk.
Ms. Lee stated that, based on public comments, the analytic framework included a number of
changes from the April proposal. She said that first, the framework provided additional
transparency regarding how the Council interprets the phrase “threat to financial stability.” She
said that this term had not been defined in the proposal and that some commenters suggested that
the public would benefit from a better understanding of the Council’s view. She said that the
analytic framework therefore built on the description of financial stability that was included in
the proposal. She stated that the analytic framework interpreted “threat to financial stability” to
mean events or conditions that could substantially impair the financial system’s ability to support
economic activity. Second, she said that in response to public commenters’ requests for
additional detail on some of the vulnerabilities and transmission channels that were identified in
the proposal, the framework included more information on these factors and more sample
metrics that the Council may consider. Third, she said that based on public comments that
requested an explanation of the interplay between the listed vulnerabilities and transmission
channels, the analytic framework specified vulnerabilities that may be particularly relevant for
each transmission channel. She said that finally, some commenters highlighted the importance
of the Council’s engagement with existing financial regulators. She stated that the Council had a
long history of working closely with primary regulators, and that the framework included
additional emphasis on the Council’s extensive engagement with state and federal financial
regulatory agencies.
Ms. Lee then turned to the guidance on nonbank financial company determinations. She stated
that the guidance was intended to establish a durable process for the designation of nonbank
financial companies, restore the Council’s ability to address threats to financial stability that
could be posed by specific entities, and provide enhanced transparency to the public and to
financial companies. She noted that the Dodd-Frank Act establishes the standard for
designations and the list of factors the Council must consider in any designation. She said that
the Council’s guidance did not alter those statutory requirements. She said that under the DoddFrank Act, a nonbank financial company can be designated only if the Council determines that
the company’s material financial distress or its activities could pose a threat to U.S. financial
stability. She said that the guidance described the procedural steps the Council would take in
reviewing a nonbank financial company for a potential designation. She stated that the process
would involve substantial engagement with companies under review and their existing
regulators.
Ms. Lee stated that under the guidance, the Council would expect to follow a two-stage process.
She said that in stage 1 of the process, a company identified for review would be subject to
preliminary analysis based primarily on information from public and regulatory agencies. She
said that the company would be notified and allowed to submit information to the Council at
least 60 days before the Council votes on whether to advance the company to stage 2. She said
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Council would engage extensively with the company in stage 2. She said that stage 2 involves
significant two-way communications with the company under review and its primary financial
regulator. She stated that if the Council’s preliminary analysis had identified particular risks as a
focus for evaluation, the company would be notified of those issues, enabling the company to
understand and address the concerns. She said that at the conclusion of stage 2, the Council may
make a proposed designation with a two-thirds supermajority vote of Council members. She
said that after a proposed designation, the Council would issue a written analysis to the company
and the company may request a hearing. She said that after any hearing, the Council may vote to
make a final designation, which would require a separate two-thirds supermajority Council vote.
She stated that for any designated company, the Council would publish the explanation of the
basis for the designation and encourage the company or its regulators to take steps to mitigate the
identified risks. She said that the Council would re-evaluate all designations at least annually
and rescind a designation if the company no longer meets the statutory standards for designation.
Ms. Lee stated that the new guidance removed three prerequisites to the designation authority
that were created by the guidance that the Council adopted in 2019. Specifically, she said the
2019 guidance stated that the Council would defer to existing regulators before considering a
company for potential designation, perform a cost-benefit analysis of any designation, and assess
a company’s likelihood of material financial distress. She said that these steps are not legally
required, are not useful or appropriate, and unduly hamper the Council’s ability to use its
statutory authorities. She stated that by removing these unwarranted hurdles, the revised
guidance restored the availability of the Council’s designation authority without prioritizing any
one of the Council’s tools over another. She said that the Council’s expectation is that any
designation would be based on rigorous, transparent, and data-driven analysis. She said that the
framework and guidance would increase public transparency of the Council’s work, help to
ensure a rigorous process for mitigating risks to the U.S. financial system, and strengthen the
Council’s ability to identify, assess, and respond to potential risks to U.S. financial stability.
Following the presentation, the Chairperson invited other Council members to comment.
Jerome Powell, Chair of the Federal Reserve, expressed his support for the analytic framework
and the interpretive guidance. He said that the documents strike an appropriate balance between
the activities-based approach and preserving designation as one of the tools that is available to
the Council. He said that the framework and guidance would provide important additional
transparency regarding the Council’s views on financial stability and the tools that are available
to the Council to address financial stability risks.
Gary Gensler, Chair of the SEC, expressed his support for the two documents. He said that
history includes a number of examples in which tremors in one corner of the financial system
spilled into the broader economy. He said that such events negatively impact American workers,
businesses, and families. He said that such risks can emanate from any part of the financial
system, including both the banking and nonbank sectors. He discussed the failure in 1998 of the
nonbank financial company Long-Term Capital Management, a highly leveraged hedge fund.
He noted that the report issued by the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets
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possibility that problems at one financial institution could be transmitted to other institutions, and
potentially pose risks to the financial system.”
Chair Gensler then discussed the creation of the Council and its authority to designate nonbank
financial companies for Federal Reserve supervision and enhanced prudential standards. He
stated that over the past decade, the nonbank sector had continued to grow, and he noted that by
some measures, it exceeded the size of the commercial banking sector. He said that the guidance
would help to reinvigorate the Council’s designation process in a manner consistent with the
original intent of Congress. He said that issuing the documents would be an important step for
the Council, but not the only necessary step. He stated that Council member agencies still have
important roles within their respective authorities to enhance resiliency to the financial system.
He discussed SEC rulemakings designed to address risks in money market mutual funds and to
shorten the standard settlement cycle for certain securities transactions, and he noted additional
work being undertaken by Treasury, the Federal Reserve, and the CFTC to enhance the
resiliency of the Treasury market. He also noted proposals by the SEC and CFTC to improve
data collection by amending Form PF.
The Chairperson noted that the Council had reestablished its Hedge Fund Working Group and
expressed support for the proposals to amend Form PF.
Martin Gruenberg, Chairman of the FDIC, stated that in the aftermath of the 2008 global
financial crisis, Congress gave regulators a variety of tools under the Dodd-Frank Act to respond
to the potential systemic risks posed by nonbank financial companies. He said that these include
the Council’s authority to instruct the OFR to collect information on nonbank financial
companies; to designate nonbank financial companies for Federal Reserve supervision and
enhanced prudential standards; and to designate systemically important financial market utilities
and payment, clearing, and settlement activities for additional risk-management standards. He
stated that these authorities serve as a basis to begin to address the systemic risk concerns
presented by nonbank financial companies, including the lack of transparency, prudential
supervision, and controls on the use of leverage. He said that the Council had been consistently
focused on the potential systemic risks posed by nonbank financial companies. He noted that the
Council had issued a statement in February 2022 on nonbank financial intermediation;
announced the reestablishment of its Hedge Fund Working Group; established a new Open-end
Fund Working Group; and issued a statement encouraging the SEC’s efforts to reform money
market mutual funds and strengthen short-term funding markets.
Chairman Gruenberg stated that the Council’s 2022 annual report encouraged relevant federal
and state regulators to continue coordinating closely to collect data, identify risks, and strengthen
oversight of nonbank companies involved in the origination and servicing of residential
mortgages. He noted that the Council revived its Nonbank Mortgage Servicing Task Force to
consider potential regulatory responses to risks in that sector. He noted that in April 2023, the
Council had published the analytic framework for public comment. He stated that the
framework described the approach the Council expects to take in identifying, assessing, and
responding to certain potential risks to U.S. financial stability. He noted that the Council had
also issued the proposed interpretive guidance on nonbank financial company designations. He
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retaining a multi-stage, deliberative process with opportunities for engagement with firms. He
noted that the Council had carefully reviewed public comments on the proposals. He expressed
his support for the analytic framework and the guidance. He stated that the analytic framework
would enhance the transparency of the Council’s process for considering financial stability risks,
and he said that the interpretive guidance would restore the practical use of the designation
authority. He said that these were critical steps to advance the ability of the Council to address
risks to U.S. financial stability that could arise from nonbank financial companies. He said that
it is important that the Council be willing to utilize all of the tools at its disposal.
Michael Hsu, Acting Comptroller of the Currency, stated that he supported the adoption of the
interpretive guidance and the analytic framework. He said that the Dodd-Frank Act provides the
Council with a number of important tools for monitoring and mitigating risks to U.S. financial
stability. He said that it is important that the Council has a structure in place to use these tools
when warranted. He said that the interpretive guidance and the analytic framework help strike
the right balance to facilitate this structure. He stated that this approach would restore the
options available to the Council under the Dodd-Frank Act and enable the Council to more
effectively detect and prevent threats to U.S. financial stability.
Rohit Chopra, Director of the CFPB, noted that financial history is often cyclical. He stated that
in the years following the 2008 financial crisis, the memories of regulators and policymakers had
faded. He said that the economic and psychological damage inflicted by a financial crisis lingers
for many years. He stated that the CFPB still hears from individuals who continue to experience
the financial traumas from 15 years ago. He said that Congress directed the Council to “promote
market discipline by eliminating expectations on the part of shareholders, creditors, and
counterparties of such companies, that the government will shield them from losses in the event
of failure.” He said that under section 113 of the Dodd-Frank Act, the Council is tasked with
designating financial companies that could pose a threat to U.S. financial stability. He stated that
designated firms may be required to have higher capital requirements to absorb losses, more cash
on hand to mitigate the impact of runs, and file living wills to demonstrate the firm can fail
without extraordinary government assistance. He noted that the Council currently has no firms
designated under this authority. He said that this had led to a perception among certain market
participants that this authority is defunct. He said that the Council’s actions in the meeting
would begin to change that perception. He said that he supported the goal of promoting market
discipline by removing certain obstacles under the previous designation guidance that were not
grounded in law. He stated that it would be important for the Council to engage in rigorous
analysis of certain sectors of the financial system to identify financial institutions that may meet
the criteria outlined in section 113 of the Dodd-Frank Act. He said that he supported the Council
launching a durable process to evaluate nonbank financial companies whose material financial
distress or activities could pose a threat to U.S. financial stability. He noted that the financial
system is inherently fragile and contains risks. He concluded by stating that one of the Council’s
goals should be that at some point in the future, none of its members have lived through a
financial crisis.
Rostin Behnam, Chairman of the CFTC, stated that the Council’s designation authority is one of
the most critical authorities that Congress created in response to the 2008 financial crisis. He
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these documents were approved, the Council should use its authority with care and with a clear
awareness of its impacts. He said that the authority to designate nonbank financial companies
for Federal Reserve supervision and prudential standards fills a regulatory gap. He stated that
the Council should be specific in the event it exercises this tool. He said that, consistent with the
debate and exchange of ideas on the two documents, the Council should undertake any potential
designation based on a thorough analysis and review of available data. He said that Council
members should work closely and collaboratively towards any potential designation. He
expressed his support for the Council’s decision to reinvigorate its Financial Market Utilities and
Payment, Clearing, and Settlement Activities Committee. Noting that the Dodd-Frank Act
granted the Council the authority to designate financial market utilities as systemically
important, he said he supported the use of this authority in appropriate circumstances, given the
importance of these entities to the functioning of U.S. financial markets. He stated that he would
collaborate with other Council members with the goal of prudently exercising these authorities in
connection with nonbank financial companies and financial market utilities.
Sandra Thompson, Director of the FHFA, noted that the Council was established by the DoddFrank Act to identify risks to U.S. financial stability, promote market discipline by eliminating
expectations that firms are too big to fail, and respond to emerging threats to the stability of the
U.S. financial system. She said that Congress empowered the Council with tools to fulfill these
purposes. She stated that the interpretive guidance issued by the Council in 2019, however,
prioritized one approach and one tool over other options available to the Council, which she said
potentially limited the Council’s ability to respond to emerging threats to the stability of the U.S.
financial system. She said that the interpretive guidance and the analytic framework would make
it more likely that the Council can access its available tools to address threats that may arise in
the future. She expressed her appreciation for the public input the Council received on the
proposals, and she said she was encouraged that the Council took this feedback into
consideration to provide further clarity on the interpretation of a “threat to financial stability,”
further emphasize the Council’s engagement with existing regulators, and expand on the
transmission channel discussion. She stated that she does not believe that nonbank financial
company designations should be a Council goal, but she noted that risks arising in the future may
be best addressed through the Council designation authority.
Todd Harper, Chairman of the NCUA, stated that the Council’s work this year to reconsider the
analytic framework and the nonbank financial company designations process was much needed.
He noted that the Dodd-Frank Act gave the Council a range of tools to address potential threats
to U.S. financial stability, including the authority to designate a nonbank financial company for
Federal Reserve supervision and enhanced prudential standards when circumstances warrant it.
He said that the interpretive guidance issued by the Council in 2019 included a number of
procedural hurdles that needlessly hampered the Council’s ability to consider and use this
important tool. He said that the revised interpretive guidance and the analytic framework would
provide the Council with a more strategic, effective, and rigorous approach to the designation
process, and he said it described in more clear and balanced terms how the Council would
undertake a potential designation. He stated that the financial market stresses experienced earlier
this year clearly demonstrated that problems in one financial institution can rapidly transmit
stresses elsewhere. He said that the Council should be nimble and proactive in anticipating and
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of any entities that could pose a threat to U.S. financial stability. He said that the Council needs
to have access to all available tools, including potential designations, to address financial
stability risks. He stated that the Council will be best equipped to fulfill its statutory mandate of
protecting the financial system from systemic risks if it is prepared to act when needed. He said
that given that mandate, he supported the analytic framework and the interpretive guidance.
Thomas Workman, the Council’s independent member with insurance expertise, stated that he
would support the interpretive guidance and the analytic framework. He said that he also wanted
to address the revised approach under which an activities-based approach would not be
prioritized over the Council’s designation authority; the use of cost-benefit analysis in the
designation process; and the importance of the Council continuing to work closely with state
insurance regulators. He noted that the Council does not broadly prioritize one type of tool over
another. He stated that, instead, the Council examines a risk and designs an appropriate
response. He noted that the analytic framework states that “[t]he actions the Council may take
depend on the nature of the vulnerability.” He said that vulnerabilities, for example, originating
from activities that may be widely conducted in a particular sector or market over which a
regulator has adequate, existing authority may be addressed through an activity-based or
industry-wide response. He stated that in contrast, in cases where the financial system relies on
the ongoing financial activities of a small number of entities, such that the impairment of one of
the entities could threaten financial stability, or where a particular financial company’s material
financial distress or activities could pose a threat to U.S. financial stability, an entity-based
designation may be appropriate. Regarding cost-benefit analysis, he said that, consistent with the
logic of making all the tools available to plainly examine a risk and design a response,
conducting a cost-benefit analysis can be an important tool in the analytical process prior to
making a determination. He said that cost-benefit analysis is a tool that is well-recognized in
federal and state statutory, regulatory, and case law, and is generally understood by the public as
a way to make efficient use of government and private resources. He stated that, in light of the
significant attention given cost-benefit analysis in the comments received, consideration should
be given to having the Council deem the cost of designation to be an appropriate risk-related
factor. He said that while it may be difficult to calculate the benefit of a designation in a given
case, calculating the cost of a designation could provide valuable information about the cost that
would be imposed on the designee. In conclusion, he stated that the insurance sector has a
strong, sophisticated state regulatory system. He noted that the revised interpretive guidance
preamble states that “[t]he Council appreciates the expertise and experience … of primary
financial regulators … . Under the Final Guidance, the Council will maintain its previous
commitment to engaging extensively with existing regulators.” He stated that he expects the
NAIC would continue to engage with the Council in addressing potential risks to financial
stability in the U.S. insurance sector.
Elizabeth Dwyer, Superintendent of Financial Services for the Rhode Island Department of
Business Regulation, stated that her remarks would be limited to the potential designation of
insurance companies. She said that insurance companies are subject to a vigorous and
coordinated state-based regulatory system. She noted that a decade ago, her predecessor on the
Council had objected to designating certain insurance companies for Federal Reserve supervision
and prudential standards, and she said that she had seen no data or supervisory information in the
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regulators had undertaken efforts to strengthen and modernize the supervisory framework
applicable to insurers. She said that in every area that the Council had identified potential
vulnerabilities in the broader financial system, state insurance regulators had responded to ensure
those concerns do not take root in the insurance sector. She stated that state insurance regulators
also recognized that insurers can be affiliated with other financial enterprises that could pose a
threat to U.S. financial stability. She said that, as a result, it is appropriate to ensure that the
Council has effective designation guidance to address such threats. She said that designations
are a blunt instrument, and she encouraged the Council to leverage the primary regulators that
have broad authority and extensive expertise, which she identified as the Council’s first and best
line of defense against emerging threats to the stability of the U.S. financial system.
Following the discussion, the Chairperson presented to the Council the following resolution
approving the analytic framework for financial stability risk identification, assessment, and
response:
WHEREAS, the Council’s duties under section 112 of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and
Consumer Protection Act (Dodd-Frank Act) include monitoring the financial services
marketplace in order to identify potential threats to U.S. financial stability; monitoring domestic
and international financial regulatory proposals and developments, including insurance and
accounting issues, and advising Congress and making recommendations in such areas that will
enhance the integrity, efficiency, competitiveness, and stability of the U.S. financial markets;
facilitating information sharing and coordination among the Council member agencies and
other federal and state agencies regarding domestic financial services policy development,
rulemaking, examinations, reporting requirements, and enforcement actions; recommending to
the member agencies general supervisory priorities and principles reflecting the outcome of
discussions among the member agencies; identifying gaps in regulation that could pose risks to
the financial stability of the United States; requiring supervision by the Board of Governors of
the Federal Reserve System for nonbank financial companies that may pose risks to the financial
stability of the United States in the event of their material financial distress or failure, or
because of their activities pursuant to section 113 of the Dodd-Frank Act; and making
recommendations to primary financial regulatory agencies to apply new or heightened standards
and safeguards for financial activities or practices that could create or increase risks of
significant liquidity, credit, or other problems spreading among bank holding companies,
nonbank financial companies, and United States financial markets; and
WHEREAS, on April 21, 2023, the Council approved a proposed analytic framework (the
Proposed Analytic Framework) that described the approach the Council would expect to take in
identifying, assessing, and responding to certain potential risks to U.S. financial stability; and
WHEREAS, the staffs of Council members and their agencies have reviewed the public comments
received in response to the Proposed Analytic Framework and, following such review, have
prepared a final analytic framework (the Analytic Framework); and
WHEREAS, the staffs of the Council members and their agencies recommend that the Council
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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council hereby approves the Analytic
Framework and authorizes the Chairperson, or her designee, to cause the Analytic Framework
to be published in the Federal Register, in a form and manner acceptable to the Chairperson, or
her designee, and to otherwise make it available to the public as the Chairperson, or her
designee, deems appropriate.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Council hereby delegates authority to the Chairperson,
or her designee, to make technical, nonsubstantive, or conforming changes to the text of the
Analytic Framework to ensure that it can be published in the Federal Register, and to take such
other actions and issue such other documents incident and related to the foregoing as the
Chairperson, or her designee, deems necessary or appropriate to fulfill the Council’s objectives
in connection with its publication.
The Chairperson asked for a motion to approve the resolution, which was made and seconded.
The Council approved the resolution by unanimous vote.
The Chairperson then presented to the Council the following resolution approving the final
interpretive guidance regarding nonbank financial company determinations:
WHEREAS, the Council’s duties under section 112 of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and
Consumer Protection Act (the Dodd-Frank Act) include monitoring the financial services
marketplace in order to identify potential threats to U.S. financial stability; identifying gaps in
regulation that could pose risks to the financial stability of the United States; and requiring
supervision by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (the Federal Reserve) for
nonbank financial companies that may pose risks to the financial stability of the United States in
the event of their material financial distress or failure, or because of their activities, pursuant to
section 113 of the Dodd-Frank Act; and
WHEREAS, section 113 of the Dodd-Frank Act authorizes the Council to determine that a
nonbank financial company shall be supervised by the Federal Reserve and shall be subject to
prudential standards if the Council determines that material financial distress at the company, or
the nature, scope, size, scale, concentration, interconnectedness, or mix of the activities of the
company, could pose a threat to the financial stability of the United States; and
WHEREAS, on December 4, 2019, the Council approved interpretive guidance (the 2019
Interpretive Guidance) that described the approach the Council intended to take in prioritizing
its work to identify and address potential risks to U.S. financial stability and in making
determinations regarding nonbank financial companies under section 113 of the Dodd-Frank
Act; and
WHEREAS, on April 21, 2023, the Council approved proposed interpretive guidance (the
Proposed Guidance) that would replace the 2019 Interpretive Guidance, and that described the
process the Council would take in determining whether to subject a nonbank financial company
to Federal Reserve supervision and prudential standards under section 113 of the Dodd-Frank
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WHEREAS, the staffs of Council members and their agencies have reviewed the public comments
received in response to the Proposed Guidance and, following such review, have prepared final
interpretive guidance (the Final Guidance); and
WHEREAS, the staffs of the Council members and their agencies recommend that the Council
approve and publish the Final Guidance.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council hereby approves the Final Guidance,
which supersedes and replaces the 2019 Interpretive Guidance, and authorizes the Chairperson,
or her designee, to cause the Final Guidance to be published in the Federal Register, in a form
and manner acceptable to the Chairperson, or her designee, and to otherwise make it available
to the public as the Chairperson, or her designee, deems appropriate.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that 2019 Interpretive Guidance is hereby rescinded.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that in accordance with sections 6(i) and 7(a) of the Rules of
Organization of the Council, the Council hereby delegates authority to the Deputies Committee
to take such actions as may be necessary or appropriate to implement the Final Guidance,
except with respect to actions that are nondelegable under the Dodd-Frank Act, the Rules of
Organization of the Council, or the Final Guidance; provided, that before the Deputies
Committee votes on commencing Stage 1 with respect to a nonbank financial company under the
Final Guidance, the Deputies Committee shall provide at least seven days’ written notice to the
Council, and, consistent with section 3(e) of the Bylaws of the Deputies Committee, such vote
shall take effect 24 hours after the approval of such action by the Deputies Committee unless any
member of the Council requests full Council review of such action.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Council hereby delegates authority to the Chairperson,
or her designee, to make technical, nonsubstantive, or conforming changes to the text of the
Final Guidance to ensure that it can be published in the Federal Register, and to take such other
actions and issue such other documents incident and related to the foregoing as the Chairperson,
or her designee, deems necessary or appropriate to fulfill the Council’s objectives in connection
with its publication.
The Chairperson asked for a motion to approve the resolution, which was made and seconded.
The Council approved the resolution by unanimous vote.
2. Resolution Approving the Minutes of the Meeting Held on September 22, 2023
BE IT RESOLVED, by the Financial Stability Oversight Council (Council), that the minutes
attached hereto of the meeting held on September 22, 2023 of the Council are hereby approved.
The Chairperson asked for a motion to approve the resolution, which was made and seconded.
The Council approved the resolution by unanimous vote.
The Chairperson adjourned the meeting at approximately 2:49 P.M.

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