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Minutes for

To:

Members of the Board

From:

Office of the Secretary

September 29, 1961

Attached is a copy of the minutes of the
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System on
the above date.
It is not proposed to include a statement
with respect to any of the entries in this set of
minutes in the record of policy actions required to
be maintained pursuant to section 10 of the Federal
Reserve Act.
Should you have any question with regard to
the minutes, it will be appreciated if you will advise
the Secretary's Office. Otherwise, please initial
below. If you were present at the meeting, your
initials will indicate approval of the minutes. If
you were not present, your initials will indicate
only that you have seen the minutes.




Chm. Martin
Gov. Mills
Gov. Robertson
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Gov. Balderston
Gov. Shepardson
Gov. King
Gov. Mitchell

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Minutes of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System on
Friday, September 29, 1961.
PRESENT:

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

The Board met in the Board Room at 10:00 a.m.

Balderston, Vice Chairman
Mills
Robertson
Shepardson
Mitchell
Mr. Sherman, Secretary
Mr. Thomas, Adviser to the Board
Mr. Young, Adviser to the Board and Director,
Division of International Finance
Mr. Shay, Legislative Counsel
Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board
Mr. Fauver, Assistant to the Board
Mr. Noyes, Director, Division of Research
and Statistics
Mr. Holland, Adviser, Division of Research
and Statistics
Mr. Koch, Adviser, Division of Research and
Statistics
Mr. Landry, Assistant to the Secretary
Mr. Eckert, Chief, Banking Section, Division
of Research and Statistics
Mr. Yager, Economist, Division of Research
and Statistics

Money market review.

Mr. Yager reported on money market conditions,

referring in the course of his comments to the recently announced forthcoming cash financing by the Treasury.

Mr. Eckert then reviewed recent

developments with respect to bank reserves, bank credit, and the money
81110Ply.
At the conclusion of these reports all members of the staff
except Messrs. Sherman and Landry withdrew and the following entered

the room:




Mr. Hackley, General Counsel
Mr. Solomon, Director, Division of Examinations
Mr. Johnson, Director, Division of Personnel
Administration

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-2Mr. Kelleher, Director, Division of
Administrative Services
Mr. Harris, Coordinator of Defense Planning
Mr. Leavitt, Assistant Director, Division of
Examinations
Discount rates. The establishment without change by the

Federal Reserve Banks of New York, Cleveland, Richmond, Chicago, St.
Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City, and Dallas on September 28, 1961, of
the rates on discounts and advances in their existing schedules was
STIEgmtl unanimously, with the understanding that appropriate advice
would be sent to those Banks.
Call for reports of condition. The heads of the three Federal
bank supervisory agencies having selected September 27, 1961, as the
date for insured banks to make reports of condition, a telegram was
sent by the Secretary of the Board to the Presidents of all Federal
Reserve Banks on September 28, 1961, requesting that a call be made
Upon all State member banks on October 3, 1961, for reports of condition
as of the close of business on the date indicated.
The action taken in sending the telegram was ratified by unanimous vote.
Items circulated to the Board. The following items, which had
been circulated to the Board and copies of which are attached to these
minutes under the respective item numbers indicatedl were approved
unanimously:




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Item No.
Letter to First Trust & Deposit Company,
Syracuse, New York, approving the establishment of a branch in the Seneca Knolls Shopping
Center, Town of Van Buren.

1

Letter to First State Bank of Uvalde, Uvalde,
Texas, waiving the requirement of six months'
notice of withdrawal from membership in the
Federal Reserve System.

2

Letter to the Comptroller of the Currency
recommending favorably with respect to an
application to organize a national bank in
San Francisco, California.

3

Letter to the Federal Reserve Bank of St.
Louis approving the payment of salary to
two officers at the rates fixed by the
Bank's Board of Directors.

4

In connection with Item No. 1, a letter to First Trust & Deposit
Company, Syracuse, New York, approving the establishment of a branch,
Governor Mitchell inquired as to the policy of giving priority to an
application for a branch when, as in the instant case, the first of two
applications was made by the largest bank in the area.

His point was

that this priority arrangement might give larger banks an undesirable
Preference in some cases.

Discussion of this point brought out that in

this case the difference in size between the two banks seeking branches
in the area was not great.

It was noted further that, generally speaking,

the larger the bank the greater was its tendency toward aggressiveness in
establishing branches, particularly where it was experiencing a growth in
that portion of its business originating in a newly developed area, which




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was the situation with respect to applicant's business in the shopping
center concerned.

The view was advanced that banking competition might

be adversely affected by a policy of consistently approving branch
applications of larger banks where the element of priority of application was involved but that no clear solution to this problem was
apparent.
Mr. Leavitt withdrew from the meeting at this point.
Procedure in regard to meetings with Presidents' Conference
iItem No. 5).

There had been distributed under date of September 27,

1961, a memorandum from Mr. Sherman transmitting a copy of a letter from
Mr. Bryan, Chairman of the Conference of Presidents, dated September 15,
1961, concerning Item

7 of the topics submitted in a memorandum by the

Conference to the Board following the meeting of the Conference on
September 11 prior to what was to have been a joint meeting on September

12. No joint meeting had been held, however, pursuant to an

understanding between Chairman Martin and Mr. Bryan, and Mr. Bryan had
vritten in his capacity as Chairman of the Conference with reference to
the Board's letter of August 17, 1961, asking that the Conference explore
mutually advantageous alternatives to the existing procedure under which
the

joint meetings of the Board and Presidents follow so closely after

the conference and Federal Open Market Committee meetings.
It was noted in the memorandum from the Conference that the
Presidents had considered several alternatives and concluded that perhaps




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the most satisfactory approach, taking the various factors into account,
was to divide the joint meeting agenda into two groups: (1) Items of a
pressing nature requiring the immediate attention of the Board, concerning
Which the Board would be given at least 24 hours notice that the problem
was of an emergency nature.

It was expected that items of this kind

would be few in number and would be discussed the day following a
meeting of the Conference of Presidents. (2) Other items which the
Conference would call to the attention of the Board, and which might be
discussed or, if the Board wished, appropriately delayed until the next
time the Presidents were assembled in Washington.

In his letter of

September 15 Mr. Bryan stated that the Presidents were opposed, except
Possibly in rare and exceptional cases, to staying over an extra day as
an alternative to the present arrangement.
Governor Balderston noted that at the Board meeting on August

8,

1961, reference had been made to the insufficiency of time for Board
members adequately to study the topics considered by the Presidents'
Conference and the action taken thereon by the Conference the day preceding joint meetings with the Board.

The suggestion made by the

Conference of Presidents was designed to cure this procedural problem.
Governor Mills stated that, since the Board had raised the
question of procedure with the Presidents in the first instance, it
seemed appropriate to experiment with the suggestion that the Presidents
had made.




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Other members of the Board having expressed similar views, it was
Understood that an appropriate letter would be sent to Mr. Bryan stating
that the Board would be happy to experiment with the procedure outlined
in the memorandum from the Presidents dated September 12, 1961, and
referred to in Mr. Bryan's letter of September 15.

A copy of the letter

sent to Mr. Bryan as Chairman of the Conference of Presidents informing
him of the foregoing action is attached as Item No.

5.

Question was then raised whether the Board desired a joint meeting
with the Presidents for discussion of other topics in the memorandum of
September 12 and, after a brief discussion, it was understood that no
joint meeting need be arranged at this time and that the topics would be
presented to the Board for its consideration in the customary manner.
In this connection, Governor Robertson said that he felt an
effort should be made to bring all items listed by the Presidents and
requiring Board consideration to the Board for discussion promptly, and
there was general concurrence in this suggestion.
Mr. Hackley then withdrew from the meeting.
Fallout shelter survey.

Governor Shepardson referred to discussion

at the meeting on September 15, 1961, regarding provision of fallout
shelter facilities in the Board's building or on property owned by the
Board and located across "C" Street.

He noted that in response to the

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the question and was ready to present plans for provision of such a
shelter as soon as the Board was ready.

He inquired as to the feeling

of urgency attached by the Board to moving ahead on such a project which,
if it utilized an area in the existing Board building, could be provided
more promptly than if an alternative plan to provide a shelter in an
annex to be constructed on the Board's "C" Street parking lot were used.
Following discussion it was understood that the matter would be
considered by the Board during the week of October 2, 1961, prior to
Which there would be distributed to the members of the Board a staff
memorandum with respect to a shelter survey.

The meeting then adjourned.




Secretary's Note: Governor Shepardson today
approved on behalf of the Board letters to the
Federal Reserve Banks of Cleveland and Richmond
(attached Items 6 and 7) approving the appointment of Eugene Thomas Carter and James J. Duke
as assistant examiners for the respective Banks.

Secretary

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BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON 25. D. C.

Item No. 1
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ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

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September 29, 1961

Board of Directors,
First Trust & Deposit Company,
Syracuse, New York.
Gentlemen:
Pursuant to your request submitted through the
Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the Board of Governors
approves the establishment by First Trust & Deposit Company,
Syracuse, New York, of a branch in the Seneca Knolls Snopping
Center, on the east side of New York State Route No. 48,
approximately 500 feet north of the intersection of itoute
No. 43 and Northrup Boulevard, (unincorporated area) Town
of /an Buren, Onondaga County, New York, provided the branch
is established within 12 months from the date of this letter.




Very truly yours,

(Signed) Elizabeth L. Carmichael
Elizabeth L. Carmichael,
Assistant Secretary.

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Item No. 2
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WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

ADORERS orriciAL CORREMPONDENCE
TO THE UCJAHO

September 29, 1961

Board of Directors,
First State Bank of Uvalde,
Uvalde Texas.
Gentlemen:
The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas has forwarded
to the Board of Governors your letter dated August 30, 1961,
together with the accompanying resolution dated August 29,
1961, signifying your intention to withdraw from membership
in the Federal Reserve System and requesting waiver of the
six months' notice of such withdrawal.
In accordance with your request, the Board of
Governors waives the requirement of six months' notice
of withdrawal. Upon surrender to the Federal Reserve
Bank of Dallas of the Federal Reserve Bank stock issued
to your institution, such stock will be canceled and
appropriate refund will be made thereon. Under the provisions of section 10(c) of the Board's Regulation H,
your institution may accomplish termination of its membership at any time within eight months from the date the
notice of intention to withdraw from membership was given.
It is requested that the certificate of membership be returned to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.




Very truly yours,
(Signed) Elizabeth L. Carmichael
Elizabeth L. Carmichael,
Assistant Secretary.

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

Item No. 3

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

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WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

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September 291 1961

Comptroller of the Currency,
Treasury Department,
Washington 25, D. C.
Attention:

Mr. Reed Dolan,
Chief National Bank Examiner.

Dear Yr. Comptroller:
Reference is made to a letter from your office
dated June 19, 1961, enclosing copies of an application to
organize a national bank at San Francisco, California, and
requesting a recommendation as to whether or not the application should be approved.
A report of investigation of the application made
by an examiner for the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco
Indicates generally favorable findings with respect to each
of the factors usually considered in applications of this
nature. Accordingly, the Board of Governors recommends
favorable consideration of the proposal.




Very truly yours,

(Signed) Elizabeth L. Carmichael
Elizabeth L. Carmichael,
Assistant Secretary.

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

Item NO. 4

9/29/61

ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

September 291 1961

(FR)
CONFIDENTIAL
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Mr. Delos C. Johns, President,
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis,
St. Louis 66, Missouri.
Dear Mr. Johns:
salary
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Very truly yours,
(Signed) Merritt Sherman
Merritt Sherman,
Secretary.

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WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

October 13: 1961.

Mr. Malcolm Bryan, Chairman,
Conference of Presidents of the
Federal Reserve Banks,
c/o Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta,
Atlanta 3, Georgia.
Dear Mr. Bryan:
The Board has considered your letter of September 15, 1961,
in which you comment on the proposed change in atrangements for
Joint meetings of the Board of Governors and the Conference of
Presidents, at which meetings the Presidents ordinarily present to
the Board the topics that they have discussed in their separate
meeting. The Board is favorably disposed toward the procedure outlined and, in conformance with the suggestion indicated in your
letter and the memorandum from the Presidents dated September 12,
1961, would like to proceed on an experimental basis with such
procedure.
It appears that Joint discussion by the Board and the
Presidents of topics listed in the memorandum submitted to the
Board on September 12 is not required at this time. A letter was
sent to the Presidents under date of October 6, 1961, regarding
topic 5 relating to Cash Agent Indemnification, and advice of the
Board ts views on other topics calling for comment by the Board will
be sent in due course.




Very truly yours,
c„.
Merritt Sherra64
Secretary.

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CONFIDENTIAL (FR)
Mr. Paul C. Stetzelberger, Vice President,
Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland,
Cleveland 1, Ohio.
Dear Mr. Stetzelberger:
In accordance with the request contained in
your letter of September 14, 1961, the Board approves
the appointment of Eugene Thomas Carter as an assistant
examiner for the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland.
Please advise the effective date of the appointment.
It is noted that Mr. Carter is indebted to
Central National Bank of Cleveland, Cleveland, Ohio, in
the amount of $575. Accordingly, the Board's approv4
of Mr. Carter's appointment is given with the understanding he will not participate in examinations of that bank
until his indebtedness has been liquidated.




Very truly yours,

(signed) Elizabeth L. Carmichael
Elizabeth L. Carmichael,
Assistant Secretary.

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Item No. 7

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ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE HOARD

October 2, 1961

CONFIDENTIAL (FR)
Mr. John L. Nosker, Vice President,
Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond,
Richmond 13, Virginia.
Dear Mr. Nosker:
In accordance with the request contained in
your letter of September 19, 1961, the Board approves the
appointment of James J. Duke as an assistant examiner for
the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, effective today.
It is noted that Mr. Duke is indebted to Virginia
Trust Company, Richmond, Virginia, a nonnember bank, in
the amount of WO. Accordingly, the Board's approval of
Ni. Duke's appointment is given with the understanding
that he will not participate in any examination of that
bank until his indebtedness has been liquidated.




Very truly yours,
(Signed) Elizabeth L. Carmichael
Elizabeth L. Carmichael,
Assistant Secretary.