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A meeting of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
SYstem was held in Washington on Tuesday, October 31, 1939, at 11:00
a. in.
PRESENT:

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Eccles, Chairman
Ransom, Vice Chairman
Szymczak
McKee
Davis
Draper

Mr. Morrill, Secretary
Mr. Bethea, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Carpenter, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Clayton, Assistant to the Chairman
Mr. Wyatt, General Counsel
Mr. Snead, Chief of the Division of Bank
Operations
Mr. Goldenweiser, Director of the Division
of Research and Statistics
Mr. Dreibelbis, Assistant General Counsel
Mr. Vest, Assistant General Counsel
Mr. Szymczak referred to the agreeraent reached by the Board at
its meeting on March 15, 1939, that the tentative standards established
for maximura salaries for officers of Federal Reserve banks would be disclassed with the Chairmen of the Federal Reserve banks at their next conand inquired whether the members of the Board wished to wait
Until the meeting to present the standards to the Chairmen or to send
the standards to the Chairmen for their consideration prior to the meeting.

He said it would be his recommendation that the first of the two

Procedures be followed in order that the Board's reasons for the standIds might be fully explained to the Chairmen.
"




Mr. Szymczak's recommendation was approved unanimously.

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Mr. Morrill reported that advice had been received from the
Chairmen (or Deputy Chairmen) of eight Federal Reserve banks that they
Will be able to attend a meeting of Chairmen on December 4, that the
Deputy Chairman at Minneapolis will be able to attend on Tuesday,
December 5, or the following Monday, Decenber 11, and that the Chairmen at the Federal Reserve Banks of Atlanta, St. Louis and San Francisco
had not been heard from.

In the ensuing discussion it was agreed that

December 11 would not be a satisfactory date and that if possible the
conference should be held during the week of December 4, 1939.
Mr. Morrill was requested to communicate with the remaining Chairmen and to fix
the date of the conference on December 4 and
5 or 5 and 6 depending upon which of these
dates appear to be the more satisfactory.
Reference was then made to the program of topics to be considered at the forthcoming meeting of the Chairmen of the Federal ReServe banks and Mr. Davis stated that a tentative program had been
drafted for that meeting.




It was agreed that a copy of the tentative program would be sent to each member
of the Board with the understanding that
any suggestions that he might have to make
as to topics for the program would be sent
to Mr. Davis not later than Thursday, November 2, and that the program prepared
by Messrs. Davis and Szymczak, after receipt of suggestions from the other members
of the Board, would be sent promptly by
the Secretary to the Chairmen of all Federal Reserve banks with the request that
they advise of any additional topics that
they wish to have discussed at the meeting.

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-3Chairmen Eccles presented a letter which was received by

him yesterday from the Secretary of the Treasury requesting, for the
reasons stated in the letter, that the Board authorize the temporary
assignment of Andrew M. Kamarck, a junior economist in the Board's
Division of Research and Statistics, to the Treasury Department for
4

period of six months beginning November 1, 1939, for work on a study

in connection with the Exchange Stabilization Fund, it being understood
that the Treasury Department would reimburse the Board for Mr. Kamarck's
salary during the period of the assignment.

Mr. Goldenweiser stated

that, while there would be some inconvenience in making the assignment,
he

felt the experience which Mr. Kamarck would gain would be beneficial

to him in his further service to the Board and that it would be possible to obtain the services of a substitute for Mr. Kamarck during
his absence.
Upon motion by Mr. Ransom, the following letter to the Secretary of the
Treasury, which had been prepared for the
signature of the Chairman, was approved
unanimously:
"Your letter of October 30, 1939, with respect to
the temporary assignment of Mr. Andrew M. Kamarck, an
economist in the Board's Division of Research and Statistics, to the Treasury Department for work in connection
With the operation of the Exchange Stabilization Fund,
reached my office yesterday and was presented at a meeting of the Board of Governors this morning.
"The Board is pleased to authorize the assignment
Of Mr. Kamarck to the Treasury for a six-months period
camnencing November 1, 1939, with the understanding referred to in your letter that the Treasury Department




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"will reimburse the Board for his salary at the rate of
i2,500.00 per annum and the payments at the rate of 4132.00
per annum which will be made by the Board on his behalf
during that period to the Retirement System of the Federal Reserve Banks.
"In accordance with this arrangement Mr. Kamarck
will report for duty at the Treasury on November 1, 1939."
Before this meeting there had been circulated among the
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of the Board a memorandum dated October 12, 1939, from Mr. Ransom

with respect to the question whether the absorption of exchange charges
by a member bark is a payment of interest within the meaning of the
Illoard's Regulation Q, Payment of Interest on Deposits.

The memorandum

referred to the consideration which had been given to this matter since
It had been discussed at the meeting of the Board on December 6, 1938,
Nul also presented for consideration several courses of action which
sPPeared to be available to the Board.

After a lengthy discussion of

Positions that might be taken by the Board and the possible results,
it was agreed unanimously that no decision should be reached at this
and that the matter should be held for further consideration at
a later date.
During the discussion of the above matter Mr. Thurston, Special
Assistant to the Chairman, joined the meeting.
At the conclusion of the discussion Messrs. Wyatt,

ead,

G°1denweiser, Dreibelbis, Vest and Thurston left the meeting and the
aetion stated with respect to each of the matters hereinafter referred
to was taken by the Board:




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The minutes of the meeting of the Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System held on October 27, 1939, were approved unanimously.
Memorandum dated October 25, 1939, from Mr. amead, Chief of the
Division of Bank Operations, recommending that, for the reasons stated
in the memorandum, the temporary appointment of Mrs. Helen C. Roome as
comptometer operator in the Division be extended for a period of not
to exceed three months beginning November 1, 1939, with no change in
her present salary at the rate of 4150.00 per month.
Approved unanimously.
Letter to Mr. Evans, Vice President of the Federal Reserve
Bank of Dallas, reading as follows:
"This refers to your recent letter, dated October
21 but received at the Board's offices on October 16, requesting an opinion as to whether the Citizens State Bank,
Houston, Texas, should be requested to report as 'Other
Real Estate' instead of as 'Loans and Discounts' in its
condition reports the amount representing certain real
estate sold under contract. You state that in your opinion the contracts represent 'Other Real Estate' and should
be carried in that account. It is assumed that you believe that they should be reported against item 8, 'Real
estate owned other than bank premises', rather than against
item 9, 'Investments and other assets indirectly representing bank premises or other real estate'.
"According to the information submitted, some years
ago the subject bank foreclosed a mortgage on a large
tract of unimproved land and, after carrying it a few
Years in 'Other Real Estate', charged it down to 41, and
subsequently it had the property subdivided into small
ferns and began selling them under contracts which called
for snail down payments and snail monthly payments by
the buyers. It is understood that under the contracts




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"the bank retains title to each tract until the entire
purchase money is paid in full, at which time it conveys
title to the buyer, and that the balance of 4j6,041.84 referred to in your letter represents balances due on these
contracts.
"A definite answer to your question cannot be given
on the basis of the information submitted. As a matter of
fact, it is felt that the question should not be considered
either by the member bank or by you on the basis of the
total of the contracts, but that in determining how the
assets should be reported each sales contract should be
analyzed separately. This procedure would be consistent
with the instructions for the preparation of reports of
condition, form F.R. 105a, which provide in part that
assets representing properties sold should be reported as
indirectly owned real estate against item 9 of form 1.R.
105 'where the terms of the transaction or other conditions
do not afford reasonable assurance that the properties
will not have to be taken over by the bank'. Contrariwise, if a real estate contract represents a bona fide
sale and the terms and conditions of the sale and the status
of the contract are such as to afford reasonable assurance
that the property will not have to be taken over by the
bank, no objection should be raised to the bank's reporting
the contract as a loan."
Approved unanimously.
Letter dated October 28, 1939, to Mr. Hill, Vice President of
the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, reading as follows:
"Pursuant to the recommendation made in Mr. Fenner's
letter of October 25 and in view of the circumstances described in the letter sent to you by the Integrity Trust
Company, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, under date of October
16, 1939, the Board extends to November 13, 1939, the
time in which the Integrity Trust Company, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania, may publish its condition statement as of
October 2, 1939."
Approved unanimously.
Letter to Mr. Guy T. Helvering, Commissioner of Internal Revenue,
W"hington, D. C., reading as follows:




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"This refers to your letter of October 13, 1939 (IT:P:T:3-PCD) relating to the credit provided for holding company affiliates by section 26(d) of the Revenue Acts of
1936 and 1938 and the Internal Revenue Code and to the
issuance of certificates by the Board in connection therewith.
"The 21 holding company affiliates, other than banks,
which now hold general voting permits are as follows:
New Hampshire Bankshares, Inc., Nashua, New
Hampshire
Old Colony Trust Associates, Boston, Massachusetts
Shawmut Association, Boston, Massachusetts
Marine Midland Corporation, Jersey City, New
Jersey
BancOhio Corporation, Columbus, Ohio
Atlantic Trust Company, Jacksonville, Florida
Barnett National Securities Corporation, Jacksonville, Florida
Citizens and Southern Holding Company, Savannah,
Georgia
Trust Company of Georgia Associates, Atlanta,
Georgia
Wisconsin Bankshares Corporation, Milwaukee,
Wisconsin
Trustees under trust agreement with reference
to stock of The First National Bank of Louisville, Ky. and other corporations, dated July
1, 1925 (commonly known as First National Bank
Trustees or Trustees, First National Bank),
Louisville, Kentucky
Bank Shares Corporation, Minneapolis, Minnesota
First Bank Stock Corporation, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Northwest Bancorporation, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Marine Bancorporation, Seattle, Washington
Sebastopol National Securities Co., Sebastopol,
California
Union Bond & Mortgage Company, Port Angeles,
Washington
United States National Corporation, Portland,
Oregon
Florida National Group, Inc., Jacksonville,
Florida
First Security Corporation of Ogden, Ogden, Utah
Transamerica Corporation, San Francisco, California




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"All of these organizations held permits on Decedber
31, 1936, except the three last named which received permits in 1937.
"The Board has been definitely advised that the following holding company affiliates have made claims for credit
for one or more tax years:
Atlantic Trust Company, Jacksonville, Florida
Barnett National Securities Corporation, Jacksonville, Florida
Citizens and Southern Holding Company, Savannah,
Georgia
Northwest Bancorporation, Minneapolis, Minnesota
"The following holding company affiliates made inquiries
concerning the credit but the circumstances are such as to
Indicate that it is doubtful whether claims actually were
made:
Marine Midland Corporation, Jersey City, New
Jersey
First Security Corporation of Ogden, Ogden, Utah
Sebastopol National Securities Co., Sebastopol,
California
"In order that your information may be complete, we
are also listing the organizations, other than banks, which
held general voting permits on December 31, 1936, or received permits subsequent thereto, but have since been dissolved or ceased to be holding company affiliates:
First National of Elmira Corporation, Elmira,
New York
American Holding Corporation, Chicago, Illinois
Bankers Bond& Share Company, Omaha, Nebraska
Equitable Securities Company, Dallas, Texas
American Investment Corporation, Ogden, Utah
Rawlins Securities Company, Salt Lake City,
Utah
Almours Securities, Inc., Jacksonville, Florida
Inter-America Corporation, San Francisco,
California
"All of these organizations held permits on December
31, 1936, except the two last named which received permits
in 1937. We have received no inquiries or information indicating that any of these organizations was interested in
the credit.
"In explanation of our statement to which you refer in
the last paragraph of your letter, it is our understanding
that, as the result of the elimination of the so-called
undistributed profits tax by the Revenue Act of 1939, the




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"credit provided for holding company affiliates will be
allowable for tax years commencing after December 31, 1939,
only in determining the amount of income subject to surtax
under sections 102 or 500 of the Internal Revenue Code."




Approved unanimously.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Chaiman.