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1462 A meting of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve SYstem was held in Washington on Thursday, October 23, 1941, at 10:30 PRESENT: Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Eccles, Chairman Szymczak McKee Draper Mr. Bethea, Assistant Secretary Mr. Carpenter, Assistant Secretary Mr. Clayton, Assistant to the Chairman Mr. Thurston, Special Assistant to the Chairman Mr. Wyatt, General Counsel Mr. Smead, Chief of the Division of Bank Operations Mr. Parry, Chief of the Division of Security Loans Mr. Paulger, Chief of the Division of Examinations Mr. Dreibelbis, Assistant General Counsel Mr. Leonard, Assistant Chief of the Division of Examinations Mr. Brown, Special Assistant in the Division of Security Loans Mr. Dembitz, Special Assistant in the Division of Security Loans Mr. Solomon, Assistant Counsel Mr. Chase, Assistant Counsel Mr. Roland Robinson, Associate Economist in the Division of Research and Statistics Further consideration was given to the three questions in conliecti°n with the proposed amendment to Regulation Wwhich were discussed uPon which decisions were not reached at the meeting of the Board Yesterday. The suggestion was made that the application of the regulation to ash loans for the purpose of purchasing a listed article should be limi ted to loans of $1,500 or less, and Mr. Dreibelbis stated that if 1463 10/23/41 —2-- this change were made it would be necessary for the registrant to get a Purpose statement on all loans up to !n.,500 and, therefore, the same limitation might well be adopted for miscellaneous loans for purposes Other than to purchase listed articles. It was also suggested that because of the recently increased prices of automobiles all loans of 81,500 or less for the purpose of purchasing listed articles should be covered by the regulation . The conclusion reached during the en— siling discussion was that when Amendment No. 2 was adopted the amount k,000 in sections 2(e), 5(a), and 5(b) of the regulation and part 4 of the supplement should be changed to $1,500. At this point Mr. Hammond, Chief of the Correspondence and Publications Section of the Secretary's Office, joined the meeting. During the course of the discussion of the problem of addi— ti°ns to outstanding credit, reference was made to the fact that un— cler the provisions of the present regulation consolidated loans had II° advantage over the constituent loans if held separately, and the °P1111°11 was expressed that in order to relieve department stores and raail'order houses of the necessity of maintaining records of down pay— n/ents and required monthly payments on each purchase, the provisions c)f the regulation with respect to additions should be liberalized e/ien though it was conceded that such a change would give a registrant Vith an existing account with a customer an advantage over another retai "er, and, in some cases, would permit the borrower to borrow ad- 4t460tN '"111- money without increasing his monthly payments or without 1464 10/23/41 —3- increasing them by the amount of the required monthly payment on a new and separate loan. All of the members of the Board concurred in this opinion but felt that, in order to reduce the cases in which the c°nsolidation of loans would be advantageous, the amended provision Of the regulation should require that, in addition to the requirement that the monthly payment on the consolidated loan be as large as the nactithlY payments on the constituent loans, the payment be larger to whatever extent might be necessary in order to repay the consolidated obligation within 15 months. In connection with a further consideration of Mr. Parry's suggestion that the registrant be not required to obtain down payments of $t2.00 or less, there was a discussion of the question whether this change should be coupled with some prohibition of advertising or solicg business on the basis that down payments were not required, and ther ewas agreement that Mr. Parry's suggestion should be adopted but that action on an amendment with respect to advertising or solicitashould be deferred until there was more evidence that such a provision was needed and further consideration could be given to the sub8tarice and language of the amendment. At 1:20 p.m. the meeting recessed and reconvened at 2:40 p.m. /71-th the same attendance as at the close of the morning session except that was in Dembitz was not present and Mr. Nelson, Assistant Secretary, attendance. Upon motion by Mr. Szymczak and by unanimous vote, the effective date of Sections 8(a), 8(b), 8(c), and 8(d) of 1465 10/23/41 -4Regulation Wwas postponed from November 1 to December 1, 1941, and amendment No. 2 to Regulation Wwas adopted, to become effective December 1, 1941, as follows: "SECTION 2(e) "In section 2(e) the figure t1,000 is changed to 1k1,500. "SECTION 4(e) . "Section 4(e) is stricken out and a new section 4(e), Which reads as follows, is substituted: "(e) amaIk Down„ Payments.—In any case in which the down payment required by section 4(a) would be $2.00 or less, the Registrant may disregard such requirement. "SECTION 5 "Section 5 is changed to read as follows: "SECTION 5. INSTALMENT LOAN CREDIT "Except as otherwise permitted by section 6, any extension of instalment loan credit shall comply with the following requirements: "(a) Loans Segured by or to Pur_ohase Listed Articles.-If the extension of instalment loan credit is secured, or according to any oral or written agreement of the parties Is to become secured, by any listed article which has been Purchased within 45 days prior to, or is to be purchased at any time after, such extension of instalment loan credit; Or if the extension of instalment loan credit, even though not so secured, is in a principal amount of t1,500 or less and the Registrant knows or has reason to know that the proceeds are to be used to purchase any listed article: (1) The principal amount lent to the obligor (excluding any interest or finance charges, and the cost of any insurance) shall not exceed the maximum credit value of the listed article Specified in the Supplement; and, in determining such maximum credit value, the Registrant may 1466 10/23/41 -5- "accept in good faith a written statement signed by the obligor setting forth the bona fide cash purchase price of the article and of any accessories and of any services, except insurance, rendered in connection with the acquisition thereof, which statement so acceoted shall, for purposes of this regulation be deemed to be correct; and (2) The maturity shall not exceed that specified for the listed article in the Supplement, and such maximum maturity shall be calculated from the date of purchase of such listed article or from the date of such extension of instalment loan credit, whichever is earlier. u Miscellaneous Loans of -1,500 or Less.--If the "(') extension of instalment loan credit is not subject to section 5(a) but is in a principal amount of 4'1,500 or less, the maximum maturity shall not exceed that specified in the Supplement for extensions of instalment loan credit subject to this section 5(b). u(c) General Requirements.--Whether subject to section 5(a) or section 5(b), the extension of instalment loan credit shall comply with the following additional requirements: (1) The extension of instalment loan credit shall be evidenced by a written instrument or record, and there shall be incorporated therein or attached thereto a written statement, of which a copy shall be given to the obligor as promptly as circumstances will permit, and which shall set forth the terms of payment and, if the loan is subject to section 5(a), the bona fide cash purchase price used for determining the maximum credit value of the listed article involved; (2) Except as permitted by section 5(c)(3), the total of the principal and any interest or finance charges shall be payable in instalments which shall be substantially equal in amount or be so arranged that no instalment is substantially greater in amount than any preceding instalment; and (3) Instalments shall be payable at approximately equal intervals not exceeding one month, except that, when appropriate in order to facilitate repayment in accordance with the seasonal nature of the obligor's main source of income or to encourage off-seasonal purchases of seasonal goods, the payment schedule may reduce or omit 1467 10/23/41 -6"payments over any period or periods totaling not more than 4 months during the life of such extension of credit if the schedule increases the scheduled payments in such manner as to meet the other requirements of this section 5. "(d) Statement of the Borrower.-- On and after January 1, 1942, no Registrant shall make any extension of instalment loan credit (except under the provisions of section 8(a)) unless, at or before the execution of the loan contract, he shall have obtained and accepted in good faith a signed Statement of the Borrower as to the purposes of the loan in form prescribed by the Board. No obligor shall willfully make any material misstatement or omission in such Statement. The Registrant, acting in good faith, may rely upon the facts set out by the obli5or in such Statement and, when the Registrant is so acting, such facts shall be deemed to be correct for the purposes of the Registrant. Until January 1, 1942 (after which date a Statement of the Borrower must be obtained) the Registrant, in ascertaining the purposes of the loan or the maximum credit value of any listed article, may, in good faith, accept and rely upon a written statement in any form signed by the obligor and such statement shall, for the purposes of this regulation, be deemed to be correct. In case the Registrant accepts in good faith a written statement signed by the obligor that any listed article which secures an extension of instalment loan credit has not been purchased within 45 days prior to such extension of credit, such statement shall, for the purposes of this regulation, be deemed to be correct. "(e) Credit Subjegt t9 Section 5(a) Only in Part.--In case an extension of instalment loan credit consists only 111 part of an extension of credit subject to section 5(a), the amount and terms of such extension of credit shall be such as would result if the credit were divided and each Part treated in good faith as if it stood alone. "A loan or part thereof which is secured by a listed article only because of an 'overlap agreement', 'spreader clause', or other form of general over-all lien or only beUse the Registrant is prevented by a State law or regulation from having in effect more than one contract of loan from the same borrower at the same time, but which otherwise would not be subject to section 5(a), shall not be deemed to be so secured within the meaning of such section. "(0 Loans to Make Down Payments Prohibited.--An exten sion of instalment loan credit does not comply with the 1468 10/23/41 -7- II requirements of this regulation if the Registrant making such extension knows or has reason to know that any part of the proceeds thereof is to be used to make a down payment on the purchase price of any listed article: Provided, That if the Registrant accepts in good faith a written statement signed by the obligor that no part of the proceeds is to be so used, such statement shall, for the purposes of this regulation, be deemed to be correct. "SECTION 6(a) "Section 6(a) is changed to read as follows: "(a) Any extension of credit which is secured by a bona Ilftt first lien on improved real estate duly recorded or Which is for the purpose of financing or refinancing the construction or purchase of an entire residential building or other entire structure. "SECTION 6(1) "A new subsection reading as follows is added at the end of section 6: "(1) Any extension of instalment loan credit which is made to a person whose income is derived principally from the operation of a business enterprise of which such person is the owner or proprietor, provided the extension of credit is for the purpose of financing such business enterprise and is not for the purpose of purchasins' any listed article or secured by any listed article purchased within 45 days before the extension of credit. "SECTIONS 8(a), 8(b), 8(c) AND 8(d) "Sections 8(a), 8(b), 8(c) and 8(d) are changed to read as follows: "(a) Renewals or Revisions.--If any obligation or claim evidencing any extension of instalment sale credit ?r instalment loan credit is renewed or revised by a Peglstrant, the extension of instalment credit does not cornP1 with the requirements of this regulation if such renewal or revision has the effect of changing the terms of rePayment to terms which this regulation would not have rmitted in the first instance for such credit; Provided, at nothing in this regulation shall be construed to Prevent any Registrant from making any renewal or revision, r 1469 10/23/41 "or taking any action that it shall deem necessary in good faith (1) with respect to any obligation of any member of the armed forces of the United States incurred prior to his induction into such service, or (2) for the Registrant's OWn protection in connection with any obligation which is in default and is the subject of bona fide collection effort by the Registrant. "(b) Additions to Outstanding Credit Held by Registrant.--An extension of instalment sale credit or instalment loan credit does not comply with the requirements of this regulation if it is consolidated with any obligation or Obligations held by the Registrant evidencing any prior extension or extensions of instalment credit to the same Obligor, unless the additional extension of credit complies with the maximum credit value limitations applicable thereto (if any) and, in addition, the consolidated obligation complies with one of the following options: Option 1. The terms of the consolidated obligation shall be such as would have been necessary to meet the requirements of this regulation if the two obligations had not been consolidated; or Option 2. The consolidated obligation shall provide for a rate of payment, throughout its term, which is (A) at least as large per month as the rate of payment or payments on the outstanding obligation or obligations being consolidated would have been for the month commencing on the date of consolidation, and (B) is larger to whatever extent may be necessary in order to repay the consolidated obligation within 15 months. "(c) Credit to Retire Obligations Held Elsewhere.-AnY extension of instalment loan credit, the proceeds of which a Registrant knows or has reason to know will be used in whole or in part to retire any extension of instalment credit not held by such Registrant, shall be subject to the provisions of this regulation to the same extent as if the obligation being retired were held by the Registrant. "(d) Statement of Necessy toTrevent Undue Hard--Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 8(a), '1 and 8(c), if a Registrant accepts in good faith a statement of necessity as provided in the following paragraPh, the renewed, revised or consolidated obligation may 10/23/41 -9- It provide for a schedule of repayment as though it were a new extension of instalment loan credit subject to section 5(b), even though such action results in the reduction of tne rate of repayment thereon. "The requirements of a statement of necessity will be complied with only if the Registrant accepts in good faith a written statement in form and content prescribed by the Board and signed by the obligor that the contemplated renewal, revision or other action is necessary in order to avoid undue hardship upon the obligor or his dependents resulting from contingencies that were unforeseen by him at the time of obtaining the original extension of instalment credit or which were beyond his control, which statement also sets forth briefly the principal facts and circumstances with respect to such contingencies and specifically states that the renewal, revision, or other action is not pursuant to a preconceived plan or an intention to evade or circumvent the requirements of this regulation. Until the Board has prescribed the form and content of the statement of necessity the Registrant may in good faith accept a written statement in any form, provided such statement otherwise conforms to the requirements of this section. "SECTION 9(f) "Old section 9(f), which is superseded by language in the amended section 5(e), is stricken out and a new section 9(f), which reads as follows, has been substituted: "(f) 'Farmer Plans'.--When appropriate for the purpose of facilitating repayment in accordance with the seasonal nature of the obligor's main source of income, an extension instalment credit which is made to a person who is enL;ed . in agriculture and derives income principally therer°m may be payable in any amounts and at any intervals, ; otwithstanding sections 4(c), 4(d) and 5(c): Provided, hat (1) the extension of credit complies with the applicable Provisions concerning the amount and maximum maturity of ee credit and (2) at least one-half of the credit is to repaid within the first half of the applicable maximum matuy.ity. r V "SECTION 10 "Section 10 is changed to read as follows: "SECTION 10. EFFECTIVE DATE OF REGULATION "This regulation shall become effective September 1, 10/23/41 -10- "1941, except that sections 8(a), 8(b), 8(c) and 8(d) and the amendments made by Amendment No. 2 shall not become effective until December 1, 1941. "SUPPLDENT, PART 4 "In Part 4 of the Supplement, the figure changed to ,1,500." 1,000 is In connection with the above action, unanimous approval was given to the following telegram to be sent today to the Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks with the understanding that the press statement contemplated in the telegram, upon approval by Messrs. Szymczak and Thurston, would be given to the press for release in the morning papers of October 27, 1941: "Board has postponed effective date of sections 8(a), 8(b), 8(c), and 8(d) of Regulation IV to December 1, 1941, and has adopted amendments to those and other sections effective December 1, 1941. No announcement to be made until morning papers Monday, October 27. Text of amendments in form suitable for publication will be telegraphed to you today and mimeographed conies will be airmailed tonight. Please arrange immediately to have adequate supply printed for distribution in your district by Monday, October 27. Printed copies should be on same size pages as Regulation and should follow form of Amendment No. 1 as closely as Possible." Mr. Szymczak said that copies of the amendment would be sent toril°1 ' 1 1(c) to the members of the consultative committee created by section n-P Ilxecutive Order No. 8843. 4 flee tlng He also stated that it was planned that of representatives of the Federal Reserve Banks who were admin- r TIg the regulation at the Banks should be held in tashington as soon Possible. The members of the Board concurred in the suggestion that the c°nference should not be held until sometime in November. At this point Messrs. Thurston, tyatt, Smead, Parry, Paulger, 1172 10/23/41 -11- Dreibelbis, Leonard, Brown, Solomon, Chase, Robinson, Hammond, and Nelson left the meeting and the action stated with respect to each of the matters hereinafter referred to was then taken by the Board: The minutes of the meeting of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System held on October 22, 1941, were approved unaniMously. Telegram to the Presidents of all Federal Reserve Banks, reading as follows: "3-3821 W-104 should read: The classification 'plumbing and sanitary fixtures designed for household use' includes water softeners having a rated capacity of 120,000 grains or less of hardness removal between regenerations." Approved unanimously. Letter to Mr. Hays, Vice President and Secretary of the Federal Reserive Bank of Cleveland, reading as follows: , . "Receipt is acknowledged of your letter of October lb inquiring whether a loan made to retire a loan exempt Under section 6(a) of Regulation Viis itself exempt. "As your Counsel points out, if the new loan is also ”cured by a first lien on improved real estate duly recorded, is exempt. However, if the new loan is not so secured, it is not exempt even though its purpose was to retire a loan which was exempt under section 6(a)." Approved unanimously. Thereupon the meeting adjourned. Assistant Secretary.