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A meeting of the Poard of Governors of the Federal Reserve
83 ts1/1 was held in Washington on Tuesday, November 16, 1943, at 10:30

PRESENT:

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Eccles, Chairman
hansom, Vice Chairman
Szymczak
McKee
Draper
Evans

Mr. Morrill, Secretary
Mr. Bethea, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Carpenter, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Clayton, Assistant to the Chairman
Mr. Thurston, Special Assistant to the
Chairman
Mr. Smead, Chief of the Division of Bank
Operations
Mr. Dreibelbis, General Attorney
Mr. Vest, Assistant General Attorney
Mr. Wyatt, General Counsel
Following the meeting with the Board yesterday, the Federal
sory Council met in separate session and adopted a revised resolutton

with respect to the final settlement of terminated war contracts
was transmitted to the Board by Mr. Lichtenstein, Secretary of

the

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Qunoil, with a letter dated November 15, 1943, which read as fol1011,18

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"Attached hereto are copies of a resolution dealing
wIth the problem of termination of war contracts which was
adopted unanimously by the Federal Advisory Council at its
meeting today.
"I am instructed by the Council to state that it is
the understanding of the Council that the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System will transmit as soon as
Possible a suitable number of copies of this resolution to
the members of the Joint Contract Termination Board, to
Ilessrs. Byrnes and Baruch, to the Comptroller General of the




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"United States, and the War Production Board; also, if it
Should seem advisable to the Board to do so, copies might well
be sent to the appropriate committees of the Congress.
"Furthermore, I am instructed to say that if the Board of
Governors should desire to give publicity to the resolution,
the Council wishes me to state that it would regard such action
as helpful."
The revised resolution was in the following form:
"FINAL SETTLERNT OF TaLINATLD CONTRACTS.
"The larger part of the productive capacity of the country
is now engaged in the production of war goods. Men the war
ends the task of converting this gigantic war economy to a
Peace economy will be a stupendous one, both for the Government
and for business.
"Already some war contracts are being canceled. When peace
comes a large percentage of contracts then outstanding will no
doubt be canceled. Speedy and equitable settlement of these
contracts will be essential if 1.,e are to avoid a disastrous business depression and mass unemployment. Millions of men discharged from military service and millions more now engaged in
war plants will be looking for new jobs--and they will expect
them promptly. If we delay in the transition from war to peace,
if business is hampered one bit more than is unavoidable in its
reconversion and in providing new jobs, mass unemployment and
distress will result, relief rolls will mount and the
State and Federal treasuries will be subjected to the necessity
°tate
of 'flaking huge grants for the relief of the unemployed.
"This must not and need not happen.
"Many factors are involved but the settlement of terminated
war contracts is one of the most important.
"The Federal Advisory Council believes:
(1) That war contracts which are terminated must be set,
tled and settled promptly and finally by negotiated agreements
between the contractor and the procuring agency of the Government which negotiated the original contract.
t (2) That settlements so negotiated should be final and not
slIpieot to review by any other agency except for fraud. Any
amounts that might conceivably be saved the Government through
a Dost-audit will fade into insignificance in comparison with
grants for relief that will be necessitated by resulting delay,
un
certainty, and unemployment.
(3) That if settlements of terminated contracts when negotiated by the procuring agencies are not final, or if they are
made
subject to subsequent audit, credit for working capital
"eeded for reconversion after the war may, in many cases, be unavailable until the settlement does become final and the basis




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of credit thereby beccimes ascertainable. This applies.pa
rticulrly to those contractors whose capital is relatively small.
(4) That Congress should relieve contracting officers who
negotiate settlements from personal responsibility, except for
fraud.
(5) That Congress should enact legislation providing more
adequate means of interim financing of contractors whose cont:reats have been canceled when for unavoidable reasons
there is
ctela7 in
final settlement and payment.
(6) That appropriate plans should be made in advance for
the jrom#
ties for* removal of surplus Government materiel and faciliplants whose contracts are terminated.
"In the opinion of the Federal Advisory Council, unless apPropriate steps are taken by the Congress and the various Govagencies to relieve the minds of thousands of contracuors large and
small and to assure business that, when terminated,
c,ontracts will be settled fairly, quickly and finally, there is
clanger that war production will
be hampered now and that peace
Production will be perilously delayed after the war.
"The Federal Advisory Council believes that these are risks
that need not
be taken."
It was voted unanimously to transmit the
resolution as requested by the Council and to
release it to the press with a statement that
the resolution, in which the Board concurred,
was adopted unanimously by the Federal Advisory Council and submitted to the Board of Governors at a joint meeting on November 15, 1943.

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Secretary's note: Following the meeting it was
determined that there WES some question as to
the formal status of the Joint Contract Termination Board, to which reference was made in Mr.
Lichtenstein's letter, and Mr. Lichtenstein,
after talking over the telephone with Mr. Harrison, Vice President of the Council, requested
that the resolution be sent by the Board to Mx.
Baruch, Director of War Mobilization Byrnes,
Under Secretary of tar Patterson, Under Secretary of the Navy Forrestal, United States Maritime Commission Chairman Land, War ?roduction
Board Chairman Nelson, Comptroller General
Warren, and Messrs. Wagner and Steagall, Chairmen of the Banking and Currency Committees of
the Senate and House, respectively. At Mr.
Lichtenstein's request, additional copies were
also sent to Mr. Baruch for submission by him
to such other persons who were concerned with
contract termination as he might feel should
receive copies.

that°11eill
i ber
1943, Mr. Harrison stated to Mr. Mbrrill by telephone
th--s word should have been ',from".



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At this point Mr. Leonard, Director of the Division of Personnel
Administration,
joined the meeting.
There was also presented a memorandum dated November 15,
1943,
from

24r. Leonard which read in part as follows:
"CAUSE FOR NRAORANDUM:
"The Interdepartmental Committee on Employee Investigations has forwarded an F. B. I. report of investigation of an
employee of the Seattle Branch of the Federal Reserve Bank of
San Francisco from which it appears that the young woman
who
is an employee in the R.F.C. Custody Department, and whose
salary is reimbursable, has been a member of the Young Communist League. The letter concludes with the statement that
pursuant to Executive Order 9300 the Committee twill be
Pleased to receive your report concerning procedures and action taken as soon as you have disposed of the case'.
"This raises some rather important questions as to policy
and procedure:
1. The Executive Order is applicable to employees of the executive branch of the Federal Government. It is therefore not applicable to employees of the Federal Reserve Banks. Should, however, the policy of the Board and Reserve Banks in
these cases be consistent with that of the Government?
2. It is possible that on general principles
the Reserve Banks may resent any attempt to extend
to their employees standards and procedures applicable to Government employees.
3. If a hearing is to be held and the employee to be dismissed, should the dismissal be
made by the Reserve Bank as an administrative action,
or should it be at the direction of the Board of
Governors under such statutory powers as it may have?
4. Can a copy of the F. B. I. report be furnished the President of a Reserve Bank in view of the
Position taken by the Department of Justice that
F. B. I. investigative reports should not be shown
'to any Persons other than the officials of the Government who are officially concerned with the contents thereof'.

"Z-LJg.02-2111121:
na is recommended:

1. That the Interdepartmental Committee be advised that while Executive Order 9300 is not applicable to employees of the Federal Reserve Banks, the




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"Board will proceed generally as if the order were
applicable.
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2. That the Staff be authorized to discuss
With the Interdepartmental Committee or the Department of Justice the Jrocedares approoriate in
handling cases of this kind relating to emoloyees
Of the Federal Reserve Banks.
3. That, in the light of such discussions,
this particular case be discussed informally with
the President and Counsel of the Federal heserve
Bank of San i'rancisco, particularly as to hether,
if the employee is to be dismissed, the action
Should be taken by the Bank on its oval responsibility or upon direction by the Board in the exercise of its statutory powers."
Following the reading of the memorandum, the staff was authorized to discuss
the matter with the Interdepartmental Committee or the Department of Justice with
the understanding that thereafter it would
be considered further in the light of develodments.
tith a memorandum dated November
4, 1v43,

. Morrill submitted

to the
°ard a list of committees of the Presidents' Conference revised
ri ace°
rdance with information received from the Secretary of the Con4 triC,,

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t3

The memorandum stated that it was thought thLt the Board might

review the assimment s of members of the Board and its staff as

c'elateS

of

certzain

of the committees as shoecin on the list and that

the rnern°rzzidum was being circulated prier to consideration at a meeting
Of
the 130ard.
Upon motion by Ir. Szymczak, the list
was referred to Chairman Eccles for such
action as he might see fit with respect to
the assignment of members of the Board and
its staff as associates of Presideats' Conference committees.




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Before this meeting the attention of the members of the Board
had been

called to a draft of reply to a letter dated November 5, 1943,

frOm President Young of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago in which
he
expressed a desire
to continue Walter S. McLucas as a director of

the Detroit Branch, notwithstanding the fact that at the end of this
Year he would have served continuously for six years. The draft of rePly
stated that the provisions of the Board's regulations relating to
branches of Federal Reserve Banks
which liadted the service of branch
directors to six
consecutive years reflected a general policy which
was applicable to directors appointed by the Board as well as directors
aPPointed
by the Federal Reserve Banks, that the policy was adopted beSe of the
belief that a certain degree of rotation of membership on
the ,.
ta.re ctorates
was desirable, and that the Board continued in that
belie,
4 and did not contemplate a change in the provision at this time.
Mr. McKee had attached a memorandum to the file in which he
ned reasons why he felt it would be a great loss to the Detroit
4ahch if
• Mr.
McLucast services were not continued and requested that
the
matter be
considered at a meeting of the Board for the purpose of
deter--,
..
"Ing whether the rule should be relaxed as had been done in conriecti°11 with the service of Class C directors.
After a discussion of reasons underlying the six-year rule and the desirability
of adhering to the rule under normal conditions, Mr. Szymczak moved that the Secretary be requested to advise the Chairmen of
all the Federal Reserve Banks that the Board
continued to be of the opinion that the principle involved in the six-year rule was




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-7sound and in ordinary times should be adhered to, but that, in view of the unusual
conditions brought about by the war, including the unavailability of qualified individuals for appointment as directors and the
absence of existing directors in connection
with war work for the Government or otherwise, the Board had decided that, without
making a formel change in its regulations,
it would waive the rule in connection with
the appointment of branch directors for
terms beginning January 1, 1944, and that
it would consider the matter again toward
the end of next year and advise the Chairmen at that time of the conclusion reached
with respect to terms beginning January 1,
1945.
This motion was put by the chair and
carried unanimously.

At this point Messrs. Thurston, Smead, Dreibelbis, Leonard, Vest,
arulv,
IYatt withdrew from the meeting, and the action stated with respect
to en I
'''en of the matters hereinafter referred to was then taken by the

The minutes of the meeting of the Board of Governors of the FedReserve System held on November 15, 1943/ were approved unanimously.
The minutes of the meeting of the Board of Governors with the
Federal Advisory Council held on November 15, 1943, were approved unani-

Letter to Mr. Dillard, Vice President of the Federal Reserve
of Chicago, reading as follows:
be "This will acknowledge receipt of your letter of Octor 271 1943, enclosing a copy of ,a letter dated October 22
le,-rom Mr. Walter A. Gatzert, Secretary and Treasurer of
°Piegel, Inc., which describes their new policy adopted in
Q.I'der to eliminate violations of Regulation VI in connection
Nith mail orders.




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"As intimated in your letter, it appears that the new
Procedure will prevent the violations. However, it occurs to
Us that a simpler procedure would likewise result in compliance with the spirit and letter of the regulation and you may
wish to call it to Mr. Gatzert's attention in case it may be
convenient for him to use it.
"The problem, in essence, is to comply with the intention of the customer in placing a purchase either on time payment or charge account, and the principal objection to the
old procedure was that the apparent intention of the customer
was sometimes ignored with the result that a transaction which
Should have been on time payment was treated as a charge account. The customer's intention may be ascertained either
from his direct statement, or, in the absence of a direct
statement, from the fact that he encloses or does not enclose
a deposit. Therefore, it might be possible to simplify the
Procedure along the following lines:
1. If the customer indicates on the order that the purchase is to be time payment, the purchase should be handled
as time payment and the merchandise should not be shipped
until the required down -nyment is received.
2. If the customer indicates on the order that the purchase is to be on charge account, the purchase should be
handled accordingly whether or not a deposit is received.
3. If the customer does not indicate on the order which
fc3ra of account is intended, the -)urchase should be handled
as time payment if a deposit is received, or on charge acc?unt if no deposit is received. In a charge case of this
krid no mention should be made of the possibility of conversion to time payment."
Approved unanimously.
Memorandum dated November 15, 1943, from Mr. Thomas, Assistant

bire+
c'°/' of the Division of Research and Statistics, recommending, for
the
'-easons stated in the memorandum, that arrangements be made with
kiss
'Plica Goldberg, a former employee of that Division, to type a spemanuscript prepared by Dr. Paul Hermberg in connection with the
4- Affairs Handbook on Germany, compensation to be at the rate of 30
cents for
a double-spaced page.

The memorandum stated that the raanu—

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iPt might run to 50-60 typewritten pages.




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-9Approved
standing that
budget of the
tistics would




unanimously, with the underthe appropriate item in the
Division of Research and Stabe increased accordingly.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.