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FR 609
Rev. 10/59

Minutes for

To:

May

4, 1961

Members of the Board

From: Office of the Secretary

Attached is a copy of the minutes of the
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System on
the above date.
It is not proposed to include a statement
With respect to any of the entries in this set of
minutes in the record of policy actions required to
be maintained pursuant to section 10 of the Federal
Reserve Act.
Should you have any question with regard to
the minutes, it will be appreciated if you will advise
the Secretary's Office. Otherwise, please initial below.
If you were present at the meeting, your initials will
indicate approval of the minutes. If you were not present,
Your initials will indicate only that you have seen the
minutes.




Chin. Martin
Gov. Szymczak
Gov. Mills
Gov. Robertson
Gov. Balderston
Gov. Shepardson
Gov. King

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Minutes of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
on Thursday, May
PRESENT:

4,

The Board met in the Board Room at 10:00 a.m.

1961.

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Balderston, Vice Chairman
Mills
Robertson
Shepardson
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Sherman, Secretary
Kenyon, Assistant Secretary
Thomas, Adviser to the Board
Hackley, General Counsel
Noyes, Director, Division of Research and
Statistics
Farrell, Director, Division of Bank Operations
Solomon, Director, Division of Examinations
Johnson, Director, Division of Personnel
Administration
Hexter, Assistant General Counsel
Hooff, Assistant General Counsel
Leavitt, Assistant Director, Division of
Examinations
Young, Assistant Counsel

Items circulated to the Board.

The following items, which had

been circulated to the members of the Board and copies of which are
attached to these minutes under the respective item numbers indicated,
were approved unanimously:
Item No.

Letter to Chairman Robertson of the Senate Banking
and Currency Committee with regard to S. 1486, a
bill "to authorize the Comptroller of the Currency

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to establish reasonable maximum service charges
Which may be levied on dormant accounts by national
banks."

Letter to Merchants and Planters Bank, Warren,
Arkansas, granting the application for fiduciary
Powers made on behalf of First National Bank of
Warren, the national bank into which the applicant
bank was to be converted.




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Application to organize a national bank in Orange County, California (Item No. 3).

There had been circulated to the Board a file

relating to an application to organize a national bank in the Anaheim
area of Orange County, California.

The Federal Reserve Bank of San

Francisco had found favorably on most of the factors usually considered
in connection with such applications, but suggested an unfavorable
recommendation to the Comptroller of the Currency because of appearances
that the proponents might be interested in obtaining the charter for
speculative purposes.

Members of the relatively small group that would

have effective control of the proposed institution were understood to
have engaged in the past in the organization and sale of savings and
loan associations in Southern California.

However, the Division of

Examinations suggested a favorable recommendation on the basis of the
It was felt

favorable factors developed through the field investigation.

that the supposition with respect to the motives of the organizers left
enough room for doubt to warrant such a recommendation.
In discussion, Governor Mills said it had been his reaction upon
reviewing the file that the area where the proposed bank would be located
waS already well populated with branch banking facilities.

appeared

Also, it

that other large branch banking organizations were desirous of

entering the area if supervisory approval could be obtained.

If there

seemed to be a reasonable possibility that a new independent bank could
establish itself successfully and prosper in the face of strong




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competition, that would be one thing.

However, with the area already

SO thoroughly covered by branch banks, he questioned whether the proposed
bank could establish itself and whether it was needed in the community.
Governor Mills then turned to Mr. Leavitt for comment on this
Point, and the latter brought out that the San Francisco Reserve Bank
considered the capital structure adequate and the prospects of the
bank quite favorable.

In the judgment of the Reserve Bank, there was

reasonable need for additional banking facilities.

However, the Bank

considered it a strong possibility that the charter was being sought as
a speculation and that the new institution would be sold at the first
favorable opportunity.

Within a radius of two miles of the site there

were four banking offices, Mr. Leavitt said, but none of them was within
the primary trade area of the proposed bank.

The Division of Examinations

felt that it was not possible to be certain about the motives of the
organizers and that in any event a speculative intent, if it actually
existed, might change after the bank began operations, with the result
that the proponents would decide to retain control.
Governor Mills then indicated that he doubted whether the
enterprise, under management of possibly dubious character, could prosper
in the face of the competition to which it would be exposed.
Governor Robertson commented that one of the responsibilities
of a supervisory agency is to look at those who are sponsoring a new
bank.

In this case the application had been filed by a group that in




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the past had organized savings and loan associations and then sold them.
He would be inclined to rely on the judgment of the Reserve Bank that
this was a speculative venture and that the charter was not being sought
by a group of people who desired to engage in the banking business and
improve local banking facilities.

Thus, while he thought there was

evidence of enough need for the bank in the community to support a
favorable recommendation, he would follow the judgment of the Reserve
Bank as to the intent of the organizers and recommend adversely.
After further discussion, unanimous approval was given to a letter
to the Comptroller of the Currency recommending unfavorably on the application.

A copy of the letter sent pursuant to this action is attached

as Item No.

3.

Application of Marine Midland Trust Company of Southern New York.
On March 27,

1961, the Board denied the application of Marine Midland

Trust Company of Southern New York, Elmira, New York, for permission to
merge with the First National Bank and Trust Company of Ithaca, Ithaca,
New York.

In a letter dated April 17, 1961, signed jointly by the

Board Chairmen of the respective banks, reconsideration of the denial
of the application was requested, along with an opportunity for oral
presentation.

With the letter there was transmitted a brief presenting

data additional to that set forth in the original application, along
With copies of letters from the Mayor of Ithaca and the Dean of the School
of Business and Public Administration of Cornell University.




The April 17

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letter indicated that the two banks were seeking an opportunity to
appear before the Board in order to discuss further the banking and
competitive factors involved in the application and to offer maps and
Other graphic materials, too bulky to be submitted with the letter, to
Illustrate some of the facts stated in the enclosed brief.
Copies of the letter and its enclosures had been distributed
to the Board, along with a memorandum from the Division of Examinations
dated April 28, 1961, analyzing the supplemental data.
was

stated

In summary, it

that the supplemental report contained basically the same

data as originally presented to the Board by the Division of Examinations,
as supplemented by the memorandum later furnished by the Federal Reserve
Bank of New York.

With respect to the request for oral presentation,

It was recommended that the participants in the proposed merger be
granted one hour in which to make such a presentation.

There were

submitted with the memorandum drafts of possible letters to the two
banks.
The memorandum also noted that the New York State Superintendent
Of Banks had indicated to the New York Reserve Bank that he would like
to have an opportunity to present to the Board his views on the proposed
merger and on the over-all banking situation in the State of New York.
It was the belief of the Reserve Bank that Superintendent Clark was more
anxious to inform the Board of his attitude and views on the State-wide
Picture than of his views concerning this particular merger.




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Superintendent had indicated that he would like to meet with the Board
at some time other than in connection with any oral presentation that
might be made by the participating banks.
In discussion, Mr. Solomon commented that it had been the practice
of the Board in several merger cases to provide an opportunity for oral
presentation on an application denied by the Board.

Therefore, it had

seemed to the Division of Examinations that the same procedure might
be appropriate in this case.

The second question, perhaps somewhat

more complicated, involved the request of the State Superintendent of
Banks to appear separately before the Board to present such views as

he might desire with regard to this case and also with regard to the
total banking picture in the State.
Mr. Hackley expressed the view that, with several previous
requests for oral presentation having been granted, it would seem difficult
to refuse this particular request.

However, as indicated by the Division

Of Examinations, the material submitted with the recent letter from the
Participating banks contained nothing substantially different from what
n.
was before the Board when it made its decision to deny the applicatio
He assumed, therefore, that the request for reconsideration would not
be granted at this time.

On the other hand, the opportunity for oral

presentation apparently was being requested for the purpose of submitting
additional information and views that might or might not provide grounds
for reconsideration.




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-7The members of the Board then presented their views beginning

With Governor Mills, who commented that the first issue before the Board
would seem to be whether in the interest of public relations, at best
a rather vague term, the request for oral presentation should be granted.
On the assumption and in the belief that the original presentation by
the applicant and the data supplied by the Board's staff were adequate,
and since the material subsequently submitted in writing did not alter
the general status of the application, it would be his view that the
Board should rest on its present position and indicate that the
information already at its disposal was believed to be adequate for the
Board to reach a determination.

It would be his own recouunendation that

that determination be to reaffirm the denial of the application.

If

the Board continued to grant requests for oral presentation, a practice
would be established from which it would be difficult to depart, and
he thought there were no particularly good reasons for following such
a practice.

Under the law, Governor Mills pointed out, recourse to

judicial review was available if desired, and to him that seemed the
appropriate approach.
Governor Mills went on to express the view that in this case
the supplemental data that had been submitted only strengthened the
original judgment of the Board.

The Marine Midland group's apparent

Purpose was to compartmentalize the expansion it had sought, and was
seeking, by relating each transaction to a particular banking district




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of New York State, rather than relating each transaction to its effect
on the nine banking districts of the State as a whole.

Such a philosophy

would suggest that piecemeal expansion of Marine Midland's banking
interests within a banking district should be approved, if such expansion
did not bring the total holdings or control of resources of the group
in that particular district up to the level of dominance found in some
of the districts.

However, he could not reconcile that philosophy with

the Board's responsibility under the bank merger legislation, pursuant
to which the Board must look at the total picture rather than any
fragment of it.
Governor Mills also said that after the Board had disposed of
this particular case, he would favor inviting the New York Superintendent
of Banks to discuss with the Board his responsibilities and the Board's
supervisory responsibilities with respect to banking problems in the
State of New York.
Governor Robertson said that the only basis on which he saw any
merit for granting the request for oral presentation was found in the
Portion of the April 17 letter which indicated that the participating
banks would like at such time to offer certain maps and other graphic
materials to illustrate some of the data that had already been submitted.
However, the information submitted had been analyzed by the Division of
Examinations, which had found nothing new in it that would appear to
warrant reversal of the Board's decision.




Consequently, he would favor

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denying the request for oral presentation.

He would, however, advise

the participating banks that the Board would be willing to reconsider
the matter if, in fact, they had additional information to submit.
Governor Robertson expressed the view that at some point the
Board must come to a position where it would not automatically, and
for public relations reasons, grant oral hearings to parties whose
applications had been denied.

There would be an undue burden on the

Board's time if such a practice were followed regularly, and he would
grant such requests only when there was new information to be submitted.
For example, he would grant such a request where a close case was involved
and where information had been developed that substantially altered the
facts previously submitted.

Otherwise, the Board would get into the

position of acting twice on each case, with no real purpose served except
to promote public relations.
As to the request of the State Superintendent, Governor Robertson
expressed the view that it was always appropriate for the Board to confer
with anyone in such a position.

However, he felt that the Board should

not be in a position of inviting Mr. Clark.

He regarded the approach

to the New York Reserve Bank as a request by Mr. Clark to meet with the
Board for discussion of certain problems, and on that basis he would
be glad to hear Mr. Clark at any mutually convenient time.

His suggestion

would be to write a letter to Mr. Clark saying that the Board understood
he had indicated a desire to meet with the Board to discuss banking




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accede
problems in New York State and that the Board would be glad to
to his request.
in
Governor Shepardson said he appreciated the problem involved
reviewing and hearing oral argument on cases decided adversely.

However,

in a case where the Board had acted contrary to the action of the State
and the
authorities, the recommendation of the Federal Reserve Bank,
there was
recommendation of the Division of Examinations, he thought
presentation.
justification for providing an opportunity for an oral
this case, therefore, he would favor granting the request.

In

As to the

request of the State Superintendent, he felt much the same as Governor
lines
Robertson and would favor sending a letter to Mr. Clark along the
suggested.
Governor Balderston stated that he also agreed with Governor
Robertson's suggestion regarding the handling of the request of
Superintendent Clark.
In further discussion, Mr. Hackley commented that there was
before the Board not only a request for reconsideration but also a
request for opportunity to make an oral presentation.

Thus, he felt

that the Board might grant the request for oral presentation without
rin any sense suggesting that it was granting the request for reconside
ation.

However, it was possible that additional material might be

submitted orally that would constitute a basis for granting the request
for reconsideration.




Although he did not think that denial of the

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request for oral presentation would prejudice the Board's position in
the event of judicial review of its denial of the application, it might
be asserted that the Board had granted similar requests made by other
Parties.
Governor Balderston then inquired whether, shortly after the
Board's denial of the application, Chairman Martin had not mentioned to
the Board an inquiry that he had received regarding the action that the
Board might take in the event of a request for reconsideration of this
application.
There being no firm recollection of the details of the report
to which Governor Balderston referred, it was understood that the
Secretary would review his records in an effort tO provide more
information on that point.

Pending the results of such review, it was

agreed to defer action on the request for reconsideration and the
request for oral presentation.

In the meantime the Secretary was

requested to draft for the Board's consideration a letter to the Superintendent of Banks of New York along the lines suggested by Governor
Robertson, it being understood, however, that such letter would not be
sent until after the Board had given further consideration to the requests
relating to the Marine Midland case.
Use of savings deposits

(Items

4

items had been distributed to the Board:




through

8).

The following

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a.

Drafts of letters to the President of The South Carolina
National Bank, Greenville, South Carolina, and to the
Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago with respect to the
offering of so-called "United Security Accounts" by the
Citizens Bank & Trust Company, Park Ridge (Chicago),
Illinois. These letters were to the effect that the
Board was making a further investigation of the matter,
including the question whether the plan amounted to
circumvention of the law and the Board's Regulation Q,
Payment of Interest on Deposits.

b.

Memorandum from Mr. Hackley dated May 3, 1961, discussing
the Chicago case and similar matters that had come to the
Board's attention. The memorandum suggested that it
might be difficult to support an interpretation of
Regulation Q that would preclude such arrangements, and
stated that in the circumstances the Legal Division had
given preliminary consideration to whether the problem
might be met by an amendment to Regulation Q which would
prevent arrangements of this kind and yet not preclude
bona fide individual transfers from savings to checking
accounts. Certain illustrative amendments were set
forth, along with a discussion of the difficulties
involved in drafting an effective amendment. Question
was raised whether the Board would want to have the staff
explore further the possibility of such an amendment,
including discussion with the staffs of the Federal
Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Comptroller of the
Currency. In such event, it was assumed that at an
appropriate time the Board would wish also to obtain
the views of the Federal Reserve Banks.

C.

Drafts of letters to the Federal Reserve Bank of San
Francisco and to The United States National Bank, Portland, Oregon, regarding whether a deposit by the Bureau
of Indian Affairs in trust for Indians might be classified
as a savings deposit, where the deposit agreement would
provide for daily or frequent transfers from the savings
account to a checking account upon the depositor's order.
The letter to the member bank stated that the Board
looked with disfavor upon any agreement under which such
transfers might be made daily or frequently, since the
agreement could be used in some cases as a device to evade
the statutory prohibition against payment of interest on
demand deposits and the regulatory definition of a savings
deposit, which was designed to prevent the use of such
deposits as checking accounts.




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Mr. Hackley said that the Legal Division had become increasingly
concerned about the apparent growth of arrangements under which member
banks in effect offered their customers the advantage of an interestbearing savings account and also the privilege of drawing checks in a
manner that on its face seemed inconsistent with the spirit of the law
and Regulation Q.

It had long been common practice for depositors with

both savings and checking accounts to replenish their checking accounts
occasionally by transferring funds, and both the so-called Chicago case
and the so-called Indian case involved situations in which it might be
difficult to determine that there would be any clear violation of the
provisions of the law or Regulation.

Yet it appeared that such arrange-

ments would tend to break down the distinctions customarily observed
between savings and demand accounts.

For that reason, the Legal Division

raised the question whether the Board would want the staff to pursue
further the possibility of some amendment to Regulation Q that would
tend to prevent practices of this kind.

The staff of the Federal Deposit

Insurance Corporation was understood likewise to be disturbed, and it
appeared that the Corporation might be willing to go along with any
amendment that seemed effective.

The fundamental premise on which

Regulation Q was based, Mr. Hackley commented, was that a savings
deposit, which carried lower reserve requirements and provided payment
of interest to depositors, should be safeguarded from use as a checking
account.

It was for that reason that in




1933, when Regulation Q was

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first issued, the Board provided that savings accounts must be represented
by pass books and could not be withdrawn without presentation of the
In further comments, Mr. Hackley outlined one possible type

Pass book.

of amendment to Regulation Q.

He concluded his comments by saying that

this was a troublesome matter requiring careful consideration.

It would

not be desirable to make a decision too hastily, but the problem appeared
to be increasing.
Governor Mills agreed that this was a difficult and troublesome
Problem.

His feeling was that it should be approached through an amend-

ment to Regulation Q, but at the same time he realized that the phrasing
Of such an amendment would be difficult.

He would be somewhat skeptical

of an amendment that would provide a specific formula to limit the
number of withdrawals from a savings account.

If it could be made

effective, he would lean toward an amendment that was more general in
nature.

Presumably, such an amendment would require the Federal Reserve

Banks, in the process of examinations, to watch for any abuses.
In further discussion, Mr. Hackley referred to the possible
amendment to Regulation Q, discussed at the Board meeting on Wednesday,
April 26, that would have facilitated the making of loans by member banks

on savings deposits not represented by pass books. He stated that if
agreeable to the Board this proposal would be held in abeyance; if it were
eventually agreed to adopt some amendment to Regulation Q to deal with
the problem under consideration today, the two amendments might be
issued at the same time.




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There was general agreement with the procedural suggestion made
by Mr. Hackley.
that
Governors Robertson and Shepardson commented to the effect
they would favor exploration by the staff of a possible amendment to
Regulation Q that would attempt to deal effectively with the problem
discussed in Mr. Hackley's memorandum.

They also expressed the view

that the study should be expedited.
that
After additional discussion of procedures, it was agreed

the

staff study should proceed.

It was also agreed that a letter out-

would
lining the problem and requesting views, comments, or suggestions
be sent today to the Federal Reserve Banks, with an indication that a
prompt reply would be appreciated.

A copy of the letter sent to the

No.
Federal Reserve Banks later in the day is attached as Item

4.

case,
The remaining discussion related to the so-celled Indian
d to in the
Particularly the extent to which the form of agreement referre
have
letter from The United States National Bank of Portland might
come into general use.

At the conclusion of the discussion, unanimous

South Carolina National
aPproval was given to the proposed letters to The
Bank, the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, The United States National
co.
Bank of Portland, and the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francis
thereof are attached as Items

5

through

8,

Copies

inclusive.

, and
Messrs. Leavitt and Hooff then withdrew from the meeting
Mr. Altmann, Economist, Division of Research and Statistics, entered the
room.




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Study of price statistics

(Item No. 9).

In a letter dated

April 17, 1961, Chairman Proxmire of the Economic Statistics Subcommittee of the Joint Economic Committee requested the views of the
Board with regard to a report on the price statistics of the Federal
hearings.
Government concerning which the Subcommittee was holding
This report had been prepared for the Bureau of the Budget by a special
committee from the National Bureau of Economic Research.

An interim

acknowledgment had been made to Senator Proxmire, and a draft of further
reply had now been distributed to the Board.
l change,
Subject to the incorporation of a suggested editoria
the proposed letter was approved unanimously.

A copy of the letter in

the form in which it was sent pursuant to this action is attached as
Item No. 9.
Mr. Altmann then withdrew from the meeting.
Report on H.R. 3330 (Item No. 10).

Pursuant to the under-

standing at the meeting on Tuesday, May 2, there had been distributed
to the Board a revised draft of letter to Chairman Spence of the House
provide
Banking and Currency Committee regarding H.R. 3330, a bill "to
that no member of the Board of Directors of the Federal Deposit Insurance
Corporation shall hold any other public office or position...".
l
Agreement having been expressed with a suggested editoria
Change, unanimous approval was given to a letter to Chairman Spence in
the form attached as Item No. 10.




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-17Messrs. Farrell, Hexter, and Young then withdrew.
System Research Advisory Committee.

There had been circulated

to the Board a memorandum from Messrs. Mamas and Noyes dated May 1, 1961,
proposing that Mr. Noyes be designated Chairman of the System Research
Advisory Committee, vice Mr. Thomas, and that Mr. Brill, Associate
Adviser, Division of Research and Statistics, be designated Secretary,
vice Mr. Noyes.

It was also suggested that the Director of the Board's

Division of International Finance continue to be designated as a member
Of the Committee and that the Committee membership be expanded to include
all Federal Reserve Banks, in lieu of the present system of rotating
membership, thus recognizing a situation that had existed de facto for
about 10 years.

Board
The latter suggestion contemplated that if the

approved the expansion of membership, this change would be cleared with
the Presidents' Conference before being announced.
The discussion of this matter included questions and comments
regarding the purposes and functions of the System Research Advisory
Committee, its methods of operation, and the steps that had been taken
over the past three or four years to make sure that all proposed research
Projects and assignments of any significance involving the use of Reserve
Bank personnel were cleared through the Presidents of the respective
anks.
regardi

These steps were believed to have resolved certain problems
had been
g the coordination of System research projects that

discussed by the Presidents' Conference and made known by the Conference




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to the Board.

Committee,
It was further stated that the meetings of the

held in conjunction with meetings of the Presidents' Conference Subcommittee on Research and Statistics, were believed to serve a useful
ly avoided dictating
coordinating purpose, and that the Committee careful
anY of the phases of research to be carried on at the Federal Reserve
Banks.
Brill as
The designations of Mr. Noyes as Chairman and Mr.
unanimously,
Secretary of the Committee, respectively, were then approved
the latter
along with the recommended expansion of Committee membership,
action being subject to informal clearance with an appropriate representative of the Presidents' Conference before being announced.

It was

Finance
understood that the Director of the Division of International
would continue to be included as a member of the Committee.
Messrs. Thomas, Noyes, and Solomon then withdrew.
Grievance procedure policy.

There had been distributed to the

Board copies of a memorandum from Mr. Johnson dated April 28, 1961,
recommending that a grievance procedure submitted therewith be approved
as a policy of the Board.

The memorandum expressed the view that it

was a desirable personnel practice for an organization to have a wellrecognized grievance procedure policy and pointed out that Federal
agencies subject to the Civil Service Act were required to establish
grievance procedures.

While a recognized informal grievance procedure

had been in effect at the Board for many years, no procedure had been




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spelled out in written form as a policy of the Board.

The proposed

statement of procedure had been discussed with the Employees' Committee
and circulated to division heads; in its present form, it reflected
Clarifying suggestions that had been received.

If approved by the

Board, it was intended that the statement of procedure would be
distributed to all present employees and included in the material
furnished to new employees.
In commenting on the matter, Mr. Johnson suggested the inclusion
of an additional sentence indicating that the procedure was not intended
in any way to deter an employee from going direct to the Division of
Personnel Administration with personal problems.

He also referred to

the functions of the Employees' Committee and proposed recognition
thereof by inclusion in the statement of a notation that the Committee
was recognized as representing the employees of the Board in discussing
employee problems, usually those of a general nature, as well as
practices and procedures affecting employees.
In further discussion, Governor Mills raised certain questions
with regard to the need for establishing a formalized written procedure,
including the question whether that might impair flexibility of approach
in individual cases.

The response by Mr. Johnson was in terms that a

general procedure had been in effect informally for a number of years,
and that the availability of the procedure in written form would serve
to make all
employees aware of the opportunities that were available




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to them for the handling of complaints or problems constituting causes
for dissatisfaction.
Agreement was expressed with a suggestion by Governor Robertson
that the statement be amended to make clear that the procedure set
forth therein was only an indication of the preferable procedure for
handling grievances and did not represent an inflexible policy.
At the conclusion of the discussion, it was understood that the
proposed statement of grievance procedure would be amended to reflect
the suggestions made at this meeting prior to distribution to the members
of the Board's staff.
Mr. Johnson then withdrew from the meeting.
Review of discount eligibility requirements.
meeting of the Board and the Presidents on March

7,

At the joint

1961, the Board was

advised that the Presidents' Conference had approved a proposal that a
System staff committee undertake a basic review of the eligibility of
commercial bank paper for discount or as collateral for advances to
member banks, and recommend possible changes in the relevant statute,
regulation, and Reserve Bank administration that would contribute to
Illaximun usefulness of the discount window in the light of changes that
had occurred in the country's banking practices and financial structure
since the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act.

On April 5, the Board

sent a letter to the Chairman of the Presidents' Conference concurring
14 the proposed study and indicating that the Board would consult with

the Conference Chairman regarding Board representation on the committee.




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-21Governor Shepardson noted receipt by the Board of a letter from

Chairman Bryan dated April 21, 1961, in which Mr. Bryan advised that he
proposed to name the following persons to the committee from the Federal
Reserve Banks:

Messrs. Scanlon and Shuford, First Vice Presidents of

the Federal Reserve Banks of Chicago and Dallas, respectively, and
Messrs. Bilby and Einzig, Vice Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks
of New York and San Francisco, respectively.

Mr. Bryan suggested Mr.

Scanlon as chairman of the committee, and asked for any views of the
Board regarding his proposals.
At the instance of Governor Shepardson, there followed a
discussion of the number of Board representatives that would be
appropriate in proportion to Reserve Bank representatives, members of
the staff who might be selected for this purpose, whether the chairman
of the committee should come from the Board or a Reserve Bank, and
Whether the composition of a System staff committee should be announced
by the
Board or the Presidents' Conference.

This led to questions

regarding the background and scope of the proposed study, and it was
agreed to defer further consideration of the matter until after there
had been made available to the Board for review copies of Mr. Bryan's
letter and material defining the nature of the proposal originally made
by the
Presidents' Conference.

The meeting then adjourned.




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-22Secretary's Note: Governor Shepardson approved
on behalf of the Board on May 3 and May 4, 1961,
respectively, the following items:

ment Opportunity
Letter to the President's Committee on Equal Employ
ary of
Secret
n,
t
Sherma
advising of the continued designation of Merrit
such
m
perfor
to
r
the Board, as the Board's Employment Policy Office
es emphasized in
functions as may be necessary to carry out the polici
of
Elizabeth L. Carmichael,
Executive Order 10925, and of the designation
r. The letter also
Assistant Secretary, as Deputy Employment Policy Office
l employment
Federa
ing
advised that no complaints of discrimination regard
were pending in the Board's organization.
tics recommending
Memoranda from the Division of Research and Statis
ants in that
Assist
ch
Resear
the appointment of the following persons as
basic annual
with
1961,
15,
Division from about June 1 to about September
of entrance
dates
the
ive
salary in each case at the rate of $5,355, effect
upon duty:




Donald P. Tucker
George J. Viksnins

f-

§,!cptary

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON

Item No. 1
5/4/61
OFFICE Of THE VICE CHAIRMAN

May

4, 1961

The Honorable A. Willis Robertson,
Chairman,
Committee on Banking and Currency,
United States Senate,
Washington 25, D. C.
Dear Mr. Chairman:
This is in response to your letter of March 31, 1961,
requesting a report on S. 1486, a bill "To authorize the
Comptroller of the Currency to establish reasonable maximum
service charges which may be levied on dormant accounts by
national banks."
You are advised that the Board has no objection to
favorable consideration of this bill.




Sincerely yours,

(Signed)C. Canby Balderston
C. Canby Balderston,
Vice Chairman.

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

Item No. 2
5/4/61

ADDRESS

OFFICIAL

CORRESPONDENCE

TO THE BOARD

May 4, 1961

Board of Directors,
Merchants and Planters Bank,
Warren, Arkansas.
Gentlemen:
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
has given consideration to the application for permission to
exercise fiduciary powers made by Merchants and Planters Bank
on behalf of First National Bank of Warren, Warren, Arkansas,
the national bank into which it is to be converted, and grants
such national bank authority, effective if and when the proposed conversion is consummated, to act, when not in contravention of State or local law, as executor, administrator,
guardian of estates and trustee under bond indentures. The
exercise of such rights shall be subject to the provisions
of Section 11(k) of the Federal Reserve Act and Regulation F
of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.
After the conversion becomes effective and the
Comptroller of the Currency authorizes the national bank to
commence business, you are requested to have the board of
directors of First National Bank of Warren adopt a resolution
ratifying your application for permission to exercise fiduciary
Powers, and a certified copy of the resolution so adopted
snould be forwarded to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis
for transmittal to the Board for its records. Linen a copy of
such resolution has been received by the Board, a formal certificate indicating the fiduciary powers that the national
bank is authorized to exercise will be forwarded.




Very truly yours,
(Signed) Elizabeth L. Carmichael
Elizabeth L. Carmichael,
Assistant Secretary.

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

Item No.

3

5/4/61

WASHINGTON 25, D. C.
ADDRCIIII

orriciAL

CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

May 5, 1961.

Comptroller of the Currency,
Treasury Department,
Washington 25, D. C.
Attention:

Mr. C. C. Fleming,
Deputy Comptroller of the Currency,

Dear Mr. Comptroller:
Reference is made to a letter from your office dated
October 6, 1960, enclosing copies of an application to organize
a national bank in the Anaheim area of Orange County, California,
and requesting a recommendation as to whether or not the application should be approved.
A. report of investigation of the application made by an
examiner for the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco indicates
that capital would be adequate and that future earnings prospects
are reasonably favorable. While the proposed bank might add to
the convenience of the public, there does not appear to be any
strong need for the bank, and it is noted that a chief executive
officer has not yet been selected. Also, on the basis of the
investigation made by the Reserve Bank, it appears that there may
be some question whether the primary purpose of the organizers is
to engage in and pursue banking, or whether a speculative factor
is involved. On balance, the Board of Governors recommends that
this application to organize a national bank in the Anaheim area
of Orange County, California, not be granted.
The Board's Division of Examinations will be glad to
discuss any aspects of this case with representatives of your
office if you so desire.




Very truly yours,

dc-e/

teie,(c4cel

Elizabeth L. Carmichael,
Assistant Secretary.

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

Item No.

4

5/4/61

ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORREBPONOENCE
TO THE BOARD

May 4, 1961.

Dear Sir:
The Board has recently had occasion to consider an instance in
IThich a member bank is soliciting customers in certain distant parts of
the country by means of the advertisement of a proposed arrangement under
Ilhich the customer would open a savings account and be permitted to draw
"checks" on the member bank. Under the arrangement, the bank wou)d open
a "credit account" (in effect,a line of credit) in an amount (,:;)1 less
than the savings deposit. In the event any check paid by the bank should
!let be covered
within 7 days by a remittance made by the depositor, the
bank, holding the customer's passbook, would reimburse itself from the
savings deposit for the amount of the check plus a charge of 20 cents.
As a result of the member bank's- advertisement of this arrangeincluding statements in the advertising to the effect that the
Plan offers the depositor the advantages of both a savings deposit and a
ecking account and that it has been approved by the Federal Reserve
2ard, a number of inquiries have been received by the Board and also by
e Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

p

In another recent instance, the Board has considered a proposed
savj
(.1
ngs deposit agreement which, among other things, would provide for
2a4.1Y transfers from the savings deposit to a checking account in accordnee with written orders for such transfers that would be furnished by the
"ePositor to the bank.
In both of these instances, it would appear difficult to conclude that the proposed arrangements literally violate any provision of
Re
_gulation Q. It seems apparent, however, that the growth of such
rangements could tend to undermine traditional distinctions between
;Tlings deposits and demand deposits and could lead to evasions of the
4tutorprohibition
p
against payment of interest on demand deposits, as
'
w
as the
regulatory definition of a savings deposit in terms designed
to 1
prevent the drawing of checks on such deposits.
Frorfthese reasons, the Board has asked its staff to explore the
pa uy.sibliit
.
o an appropriate amendment to Regulation Q that would




4

-2effectively prevent practices of the kind above described, but without
Precluding bona fide occasional transfers from a savings account in
order to replenish the customer's checking account.
As an illustrative possibility, the Regulation might be amended
to prohibit a deposit from being classified as a savings deposit if it is
subject to any arrangement or agreement whereby amounts may be transferred to a checking account or applied by the bank to the payment of
credits extended to the depositor, if this is done as a regular course of
business instead of pursuant to occasional written instructions of the
depositor. Another possibility would be an amendment to the Regulation
that would in effect arbitrarily prohibit withdrawals
from a savings
account more than a certain number of times in a calendar month or in a
calendar year, except where withdrawals are physically made by the
depositor, or upon presentation of a passbook by a person other thad the
bank) or in emergency sialations. These alternative possibl
e amendments,
h?wever, have been given only preliminary consideration and it is recognlzed that they may be subject to objecti
on.
The Board would a2preciate receiving as promptly as possible
any views or comments that your Bank might wish to make regarding this
Problem, including any suggestions with respect to a possible amendme
nt
to Regulat
ion Q.
Very truly your
r
(

Merritt Shern
Secretary.

TO THE PRESIDE
NTS OF ALL FEIERAL RESCRVE BANKS




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BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
*1
itl

Item No. 5

5/4/61

WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

A

4.400

ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

*4,41f41.w.g.
044**4-

May

4, 1961

11r. W. W. McEachern, President,
South Carolina National Bank,
Greenville, South
Carolina.
Dear Mr. McEachern:
This refers to your letter of April 7, 1961, to
Oh
Martin, enclosing a thermofax copy of some material that
ts being forwarded to many of your customers in South Carolina by
• Citizens Bank & Trust Company, Park Ridge (Chicago), Illinois,
vith respect to the establishment of so-called "United Security
1.Lcoounts”, and to your letter of May 1, transmitting additional
information
and material relating to such accounts. The Board
aPPreoiates your comments and your thoughtfulness in sending the
material, all of which is being considered along with several
other inquiries on the same general subject.
Some months ago, a proposal to inaugurate a new type of
a•c
by this bank was brought to the Board's attention. After
Investigation, it developed that the bank actually did not propose
permit checks to be drawn against a savings account or to pay
a
:nterest
on a demand deposit. The plan was to consist of the openof two accounts. The first would be a savings account and the
cond would be a loan or credit account equal to U.00 less than
1 e savings account balance. In effect, the 'bank would be estabsulng a line of credit for the depositor equal to his savings
°11nt minus $1.001 and the savings account would serve as security
iL this line of credit is availed of by the depositor writing a
4c-?ec on the credit account. For each check the depositor would pay
,7.4 pout 20 cents. The amount of a check when paid by the bank would
1; regarded by
the bank as a loan secured by the savings account.
dr such "loan" were not paid within seven days, the bank would withw' from the savings account the amount of the check plus the
cent service charge. Both the savings account and the credit
°°.ccount would be reduced by this amount.

Z

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SOARD OF GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

McEachern

Because of inquiries that have come to the Board regarding
the advertising to which your letter refers, the Board, as indicated
above, is making a further investigation of this matter. This will
include consideration of whether a loan actually is being made and
Whether the plan amounts to a circumvention of section 19 of the
Federal Reserve Act and the Boardts Regulation Q.




Very truly yours,
(Signed) Merritt Sherman
Merritt Sherman,
Secretary.

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BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

Item No.

404:44,

ADDRESS

OFFICIAL

CORRESPONDENCE

TO THE BOARD

***.!il.
'
004**6

May 4, 1961

Mr. Carl E. Allen, President,
Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago,
Chicago 90, Illinois.
Dear Mr. Allen:
There is enclosed copy of a letter dated April 7, 1961,
from the president of a bank in South Carolina, forwarding a copy
of some literature that is being circulated in that area by the
Citizens Bank & Trust Company, Park Ridge (Chicago), Illinois.
There is also enclosed a copy of the Board's reply, which indicates
that the subject is being reinvestigated.
In furtherance of the reinvestigation, the Board would
appreciate consideration by your bank of the fundamental aspects
of this type of transaction such as its possible effect upon the
separation of savings and checking accounts. If form alone is
considered, the plan may appeal. to be unobjectionable under the
Board's Regulation Q, but, for all practical purposes, may amount
to a circumvention of the law and the Board's Regulation. In
addition, please consider the question of misleading advertising
and improper presentation to the public. The Board would like to
be advised
as to the bank's success in securing accounts of this
nature. In obtaining this information, you will no doubt wish to
orm the bank that the Board is giving further consideration to
he plan and whether,
in effect, the law and Regulation are being
violated.

t

Very truly yours,

(Signed) Merritt Sherman
Merritt Sherman,
Secretary.

Enclosures




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WASHINGTON 25. D. C.

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

Item No.

7

5/4/61

WASHINGTON 25. D. C.

ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

May

4, 1961

kir. M. W. Farrell, Cashier,
The United States National Bank,
Portland, Oregon.
Dear Mr. Farrell:
This refers to your letter of April 17, 1961, addressed
to Governor Mills, requesting advice as to whether your
bank may
enter into an agreement, copy of which was enclosed with your
letter, for the acceptance of a savings account consisting of
funds of Indians held by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

As indicated in the Board's Regulation Q, a deposit may
be classified as a savings deposit
if the funds are held in trust
for one or more individuals or an organization operated primarily
for religious, philanthropic; charitable, educational, fraternal,
or other similar purposes. Accordingly, if the funds
are held in
trust for individual Indians, as distinguished from an Indian
tribe, they may be classified as a savings deposit.
Deposits of the nature contemplated by the agreement
would not, however, be eligible for classification as savings
dePosits unless, as required by Regulation Q, the agreement is
amended to include a provision stating that the depositor may at
any time be required to give ,notice
in writing of an intended
Withdrawal of not less than 30 days before such withdrawal is made.
Section 1.3 of the agreement appears to contemplate daily
transfers
from the savings account to a checking account also to be
maintained
by the depositor. While occasional transfers from a
depositor's savings account to his checking account, specifical
ly
ordered in each instance by the depositor, would not be objectionable, the Board looks with disfavor upon any agreement under which




BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

Mr. M. W. Farrell
Such transfers are made daily or frequently, since it could be used
in some cases as a device to evade the statutory prohibition against
payment of interest on demand deposits or to evade the regulatory
definition of savings deposits designed to prevent the use of such
deposits as checking accounts.
It is suggested that you may wish to discuss this matter
further with officers of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco
in the light of the Board's views as expressed above.




Very truly yours,

(Signed) Merritt Sherman
Merritt Sherman,
Secretary.

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

Item No.

8

5/4/61

ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

0004***

May 4, 1961

Mr. Eliot J. Swan, President,
Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco,
San Francisco 20, California.
Dear Mr. Swan:
There is enclosed a copy of a letter dated April 17, 1961,
fr:cm the Cashier of The United States National Bank, Portland, Oregon,
with respect to the deposit in a savings account of funds of Indians
held by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. This letter forwarded
an
agreement, copy also enclosed, providing
for this savings account
nd a checking account to be replenished daily by withdrawals from
ale savings account upon the depositor's order. There is also enclosed
a copy of the Board's reply which contains the suggestion that the bank
'nay wish to discuss this matter with officers of your Bank.
Very truly yours,
(Signed) Merritt Sherman
Merritt Sherman,
Secretary.
Enclosures




BOARD OF GOVERNORS

if

OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

Item No. 9

5/4/61

WASHINGTON

4,,,sti.ttav)10„,0°

OFFICE OF THE VICE CHAIRMAN

The Honorable William Proxmire, Chairman,
Subcommittee on Economic Statistics,
Joint Economic Committee,
United States Senate,
Washington 251 D. C.

May

5, 1961

Dear Mr. Chairman:

With further reference to your letter of April 17, 1961,
the Board of Governors and its staff since the very early years of
the Federal Reserve System have participated in programs to develop
and improve economic statistics. Policy formulation in the areas of
the Boardls responsibility obviously requires as complete and
detailed analysis of economic developments as possible. The quantity
and quality of economic statistics have increased substantially over
the years, permitting analyses of greater insight and
more timeliness. At the same time, standards of economic understanding
Performance have been raised, creating continuous demands for still
more and still better information. In this area, perhaps, denands
are never excessive. We endorse worthwhile efforts to improve
economic statistics generally, and particularly price statistics.
With regard to the report on The Price Statistics of the
federal Government, we agree with the emphasis given to the collection of good basic data on a broad scale in both wholesale and retail
markets as well as to the improvement of the broad indexes. The
basic data have many uses in the calculation and interpretation of
Other statistics, including those for production, productivity, and
sales in terms of constant dollars. Good basic data are of great
tTPortance in the interpretation of price trends, moreover, for no
single index can be relied upon for this purpose. Also with these
considerations in mind, serious consideration should be given to
the recommendation in the report for research on prices of tangible
assets and on prices in other market areas where little or no price
information is presently
available.




Sincerely yours,

C. Canby Balderston,
Vice Chairman.

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BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

Item No. 10
5/4/61

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON

OFFICE OF THE VICE CHAIRMAN

May 5, 1961

The Honorable Brent Spence,
Chairman,
Committee on Banking and Currency,
House of Representatives,
Washington 25, D. C.
Dear Mr. Chairman:
This is in response to your request of April 15, 1961, for
a report on the bill, H.R. 3330, "To provide
that no member of the
Board of Directors of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corpora
tion shall
hold any other public office or position and for
other purposes."
The Board would have no objection to that provision of the
bill that would in effect forbid a member of the Board of Directors
c)f the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation from
being a member of
the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System or from holding
aAY office or position in the Federal Reserve System. The
question
Nhether it would be desirable, as provided by the bill, to discontinue
ue service of the Comptroller of
the Currency as a member of the
rrporation's Board of Directors is one with respect to which the
rrporation and the Comptroller have intimate knowledge based upon
ue
day-to-day working experience. However, because this Board
e'r Governors does not possess such knowledge, it prefers
not to cornOn this provision of the bill.




Sincerely yours,

(Signed) C. Canby Balderston
C. Canby Balderston,
Vice Chairman.