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A meeting
of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
%%tem .
with the
executive committee of the Federal Advisory Council was
held,
421 the
offices of the Board of Governors in Washington on Wednesday,
114
7 1944, at
12:00 noon.
PRESENT:

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Ransom, Vice Chairman
Szymczak
McKee
Draper
Evans

Mr. Morrill, Secretary
Mr. Bethea, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Carpenter, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Clayton, Assistant to the Chairman
Mr. Goldenweiser, Director of the Division
of Research and Statistics
Mr. Smead, Director of the Division of Bank
Operations
Mr. Dreibelbis, General Attorney
Mr. Leonard, Director of the Division of
Personnel Administration
Mr. Wyatt, General Counsel
Mr. Pollard, Assistant Director of the
Division of Examinations
Messrs. Edward E. Brown, Charles E. Spencer, Jr.,
John C. Traphagen, William F. Kurtz, and
Robert V. Fleming, members of the executive
committee of the Federal Advisory Council.
Mr. Walter Lichtenstein, Secretary of the Federal Advisory Council
\tete

Mr

k4 riot
c Pre

pr°wn stated that inasmuch as Messrs. Ransom and Szymczak

sent at the meeting of the Federal Advisory Council with the
'
t
y.
,
i.d, 1944, he wanted to reiterate the position taken by the
N14.
ell at
that time with respect
4 .
to its being furnished information contt

k,.
legis ..
-qql
iti_
latdlon proposed by the Board.

It was felt, he said, that

qki4 reltlation could
be given to the members of the Council in confirici that
they were entitled to it under the provisions of the




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Psderel Reserve
Act.

he also said that the members of the Council felt

itell strongly about the matter, that they could not let it rest without
determination, that the Gouncil could not function satisfactorily unless
hhadthe
ellsa the

information, and that it was hoped that the Board would dis—

matter and meet the views of the Council regarding it.
r.

Ransom stated that he had read the minutes of the meeting of
the Board
vvith the
on May 15 and that his personal feeling about
Council
the
tatter
referred to by Mr. Brown was that, for the reasons stated at
that
meeting it
would be a definite advantage to the Board to obtain the
4chrlee and
the
be

opinions of the members of the uouncil on legislation which

Board was
sponsoring.

He said that the position of the Council would

considered at a meeting of the Board of Governors when
all of the mem,
ters Were
present and a decision reached, and that he would be bound by
th4t
decision. He felt that the statutory right of the Council was not
11111.°1Ved bu't
that the question was the much more important one of the
4341 and
the Council
understanding each other and working together in a
c:16111(111 coals
e. He did
not doubt that the Council, which was created by
(/11gress
for
definite purposes, would treat as confidential any matters
Nt
nature which the Board might wish to put before it.
16
'Brown then referred to the amendment to section 13b of the
Rap

erv"t Act
which had recently been introduced in Congress at the
clIteq
4,44e °I
'the Board and
stated that some of the Federal Reserve Banks had
%le Ilegeleti°n8 as to changes in the bill, one Federal Reserve Bank having

ktt41eted
, 11

it
8 representative on the Federal Advisory Council to bring the

P at this
meeting.




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_3Mr. Draper
explained that the Federal Reserve Banks had been asked
ela gestions before the bill was introduced, that suqgestions were
%
11
1Lch
ohairnwm
eri
reof
not incorporated in the bill, and that Mr. Sproul, who was
the Presidents' Conference, had been informed by letter

that

itvm
-s not anticipated that the bill would be given active considerati°4 at arrir +4
to cii3c11''-ole in the near future, so that there would be an opportunity
88 the auggestions at the next Presidents' Conference.

the?
k

4r.

Kurtz stated that there had been a discussion of the bill at

eral Rese,v e
Bank of Philadelphia last week and that President Williams

41.

the

position that the bill should be amended to provide (1) that
lt139nli
-1110n, which would be made available by the bill, be turned over
to

he

thepe ederal Reserve Banks instead of the Board of Governors and (2) that
dere,
*L "serve Banks be authorized to guarantee loans up to 100 per
4. 4d t
!rake direct loans.
too
Nd

4 the discussion which ensued, the menbers of the executive committhe c
°Ilneil indicated that they would be opposed to authorizing the

488erve Banks to make direct loans.
4r. riv,
oab
'
131"in stated that following the meeting of the Council with the
dolluaz
15
the Council voted to support the Board's position on the

Itthe 18 48 -fltroduced, and that
14,Nta °ard to amend
the bill in
th

e

if there were any disposition on the part
response to the suggestions of the Presi-

Reserve Banks the Council would like to be informed.

41's Ransom stated that he understood that the questions raised by
14811te had been
considered before the bill was introduced, that it




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had been
decided that, they should not be incorporated in the b111, and that
11'. did riot 'glow of any
thi8

inclination on the part of the members of the Board

time to
favor any chances in the bill.
On the
question whether the Board or the Reserve Banks should re—

q've the

$1:39

which would be made available by the bill, Mr. Fiero—

ested that, it
would be better for the Board tn continue as a polio.ir—

``Ikit'i body

rather than as an operatinF body.

Mr. Kurtz expressed the oppo—

stt
°Pinion, and
sug7ested that the Reserve Banks would adont a more liberal
11°113r
if th.e
whole fund were available to insure losses than if the fund
divided

among the Banks and each Bank had to pay its own

losses.

tfr. acKe
e inquired (1) whether the attitude of the Council with re—
4ect to
the a
mendment to section 131) would be the same if there were no
4gialati n
Pending, and (2) how it would be possible to get the Government

°t busi
e
"
if its powers continued to be enlarged by legislation of

The resoonse was that it was expected, as had been stated pre—
11°1Y, that
if

the amendment were enacted the Federal Reserve Banks cenld

frorn the
field when the need was past, but that that would not be
aal

tNe,

—ncy
ttel

that

organieed to provide for the specifie need.

Mr. Brown

the Council
favored the amendment as the best available solution
situation in which it was apparent that some legislation for
of zalc-121:7 credit available to small business would be enacted.

34r. 8

n then stated thet Mr. Ransom had asked that the members of
committee submit any suggestions that tey ml irht hnve with re—

to
the

or the international monetary fund and the international




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balat for
reconstruction and development. He added that he was in the posict haying
accepted appointment as a member of the American delegation
te the
international conference which had been called to consider these plans
11c13
therefore, wa.s unable to express strong views, but that the views exN8sed
during the meetinmight be helpful to him.
Mr•
Ransorn stated that the decisions reached with respect to the
1°41'8'17 fund
and the investment bank were matters of great importance and
ttiterest to
the
System. He referred to the meeting which was held yesterday
with
rtiernbers of
the Board and representatives of the Federal Reserve Banks,
asMr.

Brown who had been invited in his capacity as President of

the

eclkleil, and
said that, if the members of the executive committee would
114te%
later to
exoress any
that they might have on the matter, that
views
be
satisfactoryto the Board. provided it were borne in mind that any
84°48 made
should be submitted before the end of the month as the matM:4tht
crYste1ljze very
tiltett
rapidly in the period before the convening of the
4ticnal c
onference on July 1thi

11 the ensuing discussion, it was understood that if the members of
tokl ettive Coftimittee had any
views to express they would be sent to the
bet°t'e the end of
June.
koelelletererice was made to Mr. Brown's selection asa member of the Ameri-

'ti°11 to the international conference, and he stated that he under°4 th
'
he was
appointed as a representative of the commercial banks and,
N3 Wa8

t'q

not bound to express either the views of the Board or the Fed-

eauncil.




Mr. Szymczak suggested that Mr. Brown could not divorce

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ht

from his
position as President of th Council, that with him and
IlailThan.
Eccles as members of the dele-ation their actions would commit the
SYste7,1
certain .extent, and that he System might not be free to 70 beto
p

Congres8 and
oppose any action for which they had voted. Mr. McKee,
h°'':etr.r, Was
of the
on that in the absence of further developments, if
th
opinWe
asked by Congress for P reoort on the pronosed legislation
14
c''prirlecti on
with the monetary fund or the international hank. it wonid be
tee tc) eY
:nrPsF; an ()ninon.
lAr• Ransom
said that personally he would re7ard himself as being esPPeti
from
•
raising any essential objection before a Con7ressional committee
With
re.spect to a
plan for which Messrs. Eccles and Brown had voted as memthe A
merican delegation because it would be in the interest of the
have expressed its
views befor

thet

reason he

the situation reached that stage.

felt it was most essential that before the plan became

14htqa.ized to
that extent the views of the members of th

Board and the

,11°111d be
made available.
%^.
Brown eYpressed the thought that if an individual were opposed to
/1 it
woilld be difficult to work for changes in the plan without ultif;etti
ng in
the position of favoring the final outcome, and that for
0 easo there
were individuals who felt that the plan could be defeated
and Were
not

to have any part in the current discussions.

}Ar.
8zymezak stated that the Federal Reserve System was very much inin the
tt)

Whole matter and should either keep in touch with it all alaag

' .11c1 try to
,
et its suggestions accepted while the plan was being
cj
3 or

out of the discussions and be prepared to make sug7estions




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-7Ilherlerlabling legislation was before Congress.

He did not feel, howelp.r, that

t4theeurastances the latter course would be a feasible one.
At the conclusion of the discussion of the plans for the international

kori

et'arY
tiven

F1emin7 stated that Mr. Leonard of the Board's staff had

ma c°RY of the letter received under date of June 6, 1944) from the

Chair

f the War
Manpoer Commission in which it was stated that the onkicia:
elr of comnercial and savings
banks had been added to the list of trades
ices that
might be granted locally needed designations by the reff.kral
4144N directors
without further action by the War Manpower Commission.
There was a discussion of how the action of the Commission should be
41'11t to the
attention of banks throughout the country and whether the let"1.1e. Chairman of
the Commission should be published in the next issue
'NPederal

Reserve Bulletin. It was stated that the next issue of the

not come out until July and that a more expeditious method of
Nbitcat*
1° woUld be
desirable. Mr. Fleming stated that undoubtedly the Arneriq144n
Of

Association would undertake to notify its members, and at the conthe d
iscussion the method of publication was left to be worked out

piendrie

4r, prown
lt

and Leonard.
stated that in the absence of objection hr the Board the ex-

th thec°111rrattee Would suggest that its July and August meetin s be cancelled,
7t4 0 Ilhderstanding that the committee or the Council would meet upon call
°141cil °r the Board of Governors.
t%cl to
this arrangement.




There was no objection on the nart

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Thereupon the meetinc. adjourned.




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ice Cha3rman.