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A meeting of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
SYStern was held in Washington on Tuesday, July 16, 1940, at 10:45 a.m.

PRESENT:

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Eccles, Chairman
Ransom, Vice Chairman
Ezymczak
McKee
Davis

Mr. Morrill, Secretary
Mr. Bethea, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Carpenter, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Clayton, Assistant to the Chairman
Tilr. Wyatt, General Counsel
Mr. Goldenweiser, Director of the Division
of Research and Statistics
Mr. Smead, Chief of the Division of Bank
Operations
Dreibelbis, Assistant General Counsel
Mr. Ransom referred to the discussion at the meeting of the
Board on May 24, 1940, when it was decided that, in view of the changed
conditions since the lagner Resolution was adopted by the Senate, no
Purpose would be served in the Board's attempting to answer immediately

the large
number of questions contained in the Wagner questionnaire,
but that
instead the staff should be requested to draft a legislative
Program covering the banking, credit, monetary, and fiscal field which
Illight be presented for consideration in the event of the termination
of war in the near future, as well as a program which might be con—
sidered in the event of a war of long duration.

Mr. Ransom said that,

While there
had been developing a general impression since the action
413°Are referred to was taken by the Board that the Senate Banking and
Currency Committee might not be disposed to press for hearings under
the .4
hagner resolution, he knew that some agencies to which the




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qUaationnaire had been addressed were working on it, and that it was
ssible that if the Board did not prepare answers to the questions
directed to it an embarrassing situation might result should interest
the resolution and the questionnaire be revived and the Board's
„answers called for.

He made the further statement that, as previously

tia,d been
suggested, the answers to the questions contained in the
questionnaire
were of two types, one of which called for factual answers and the other for expressions of opinion) and that on the latter
group of questions it would be necessary for the members of the Board
to reach a decision as to what their position would be.

He also raised

fOr discussion
the question whether the Board had any responsibility
to see that the factual information upon which the answers of the Federal Reserve Banks would be based was accurate in all cases.
It was stated that, in accordance with the request made by the
Board at the meeting on May 24, 1940, the senior staff submitted to

the members of
the Board under date of July 3, 1940, a draft of a legislative program, and, at the request of Mr. Ransom, Mr. Goldenweiser

"Ad that, in addition, members of his Division were collecting the
inaterial that might be used in answering the Viagner questionnaire,

that this material would be summarized or appropriate references to
sources of material would be provided under each question, and that
this

would be made available to the members of the Board.
Mr. Ransom said that he would be willing to let the matter con-

tinue to take its present course unless other members of the Board had




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suggestions to make as to other action that should be taken.
Mr. Eccles expressed the opinion that answers to the questionnaire should be prepared by the staff and presented to the Board for
aPProval or modification so that the Board would be in a position to
submit the answers should it decide to do so.
Mr. Ransom raised again the question whether the staff should
be requested to draft answers to questions on which the Board would

haveto_
express an opinion and Mr. Eccles replied that he would like
to have the staff prepare answers to all of the questions which it
would be appropriate for the Board to answer, that the answers should
be based on
a broad legislative program, and that where alternative
Proposals were suggested in the legislative program alternative answers should be
prepared in the light of such proposals.
After a further discussion, Mr. Ransom suggested that the
staff be
requested to prepare answers to all of the questions which
it is felt should be answered by the Board, in the light of the draft
°f legislative program
which had already been submitted to the Board,
together with such further answers as may be made necessary by such
alternatives in the legislative program as the staff or members of
the
Board may wish to propose.
Mr. Ransom's suggestion was approved
unanimously, and he was authorized to assign
responsibility for the work to such members
of the staff as he saw fit.
At this point Messrs. Morrill, Bethea, Carpenter, Clayton,




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Wyatt, Goldenweiser, Smead and Dreibelbis left the meeting and the
Board went into executive session.
At the conclusion of the executive
session, Mr. Morrill was called into the
meeting and was requested to record in
the minutes that, after discussion with
the heads of the divisions concerned,
the following salary increases had been
approved unanimously by the Board to
become effective as of July 16, 1940:
Salary Increase
To
From
SECRETARY'S OFFICE
L. P. Bethea
S. R. Carpenter
F. A. Nelson
Bray Hammond

Assistant Secretary
Assistant Secretary
Assistant Secretary
Chief of Correspondence and
Publications Section
Building Manager

F. E. Spurney

$8,000 $8,500
7,500
8,500
5,600 6,300
5,400
5,000

6,000
5,500

OFFICE OF GENERAL COUNSEL
B. M, Wingfield
John C. Baumann
G. Howland Chase

Assistant General Counsel
Assistant Counsel
Assistant Counsel

9,000 10,000
6,000 6,400
6,000 6,400

RESEARCH AND STATISTICS
Woodlief Thomas

Assistant Director

9,000 10,000

BANK OPERATIONS
John R. Van Fossen
J. E. Horbett

Assistant Chief
Assistant Chief

8,500
7,500

9,000
8,000

3,300

3,600

BOARD MEMBERS' OFFICES
Alvin C. Walters

Secretary

The action stated with respect to each of the matters hereinafter referred to was then taken by the Board:




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The minutes of the meeting of the Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System held on July 13, 1940, were approved unanimously.
Memorandum dated July 15, 1940, from Mr. Nelson, Assistant
Secretary, submitting the resignation of Mrs. Claire A. Bastable as
a stenographer
in the Secretary's office, effective as of the close
of business on August 12, 1940, and recommending that the resignati°n be accepted as of that date.
Approved unanimously.
Memorandum dated July 10, 1940, from Mr. Szymczak recommending that the salary of A. M. Stone, Secretary to Mr. Szymczak, be
increased from $3,300 to $3,600 per annum, effective August 1, 1940.
Approved unanimously.
Letter to the board of directors of "The Farmers and Merchants
Barlk of Rich Creek", Rich Creek, Virginia, stating that, subject to
conditions of membership numbered 1 to 3 contained in the Board's
e lation H, the Board approves the bank's application for membership
the Federal Reserve System and for the appropriate amount of stock
in the Federal
Reserve Bank of Richmond.
The letter also contained the following special comment:
"It appears that the bank possesses certain powers
Which are not being exercised and which are not necessarily required in the conduct of a banking business,
such as the power to guarantee the payment of bonds.
Attention is invited to the fact that if the bank desires




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"to exercise any powers not actually exercised at the
time of admission to membership, it will be necessary
under condition of membership numbered 1 to obtain
the permission of the Board of Governors before exercising them. In this connection the Board understands
that there has been no change in the scope of the corporate powers exercised by the bank since the date of
its application for membership."
Approved unanimously for transmission through the Federal Reserve Bank of
Richmond.
Letter to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, readLag as
follows:

"Pursuant to the provisions of section 12B of the
Federal Reserve Act, as amended, the Board of Governors
of the Federal Reserve System hereby certifies that 'The
Sandborn Banking Co.', Sandborn, Indiana, became a member of the Federal Reserve System on July 13, 1940 and
ls now a member of the System. The Board of Governors
of the Federal Reserve System further hereby certifies
that, in connection with the admission of such bank to
membership in the Federal Reserve System, consideration
lAas given to the following factors enumerated in subsection (g) of section 12B of the Federal Reserve Act:
1. The financial history and condition
of the bank,
2. The adequacy of its capital structure,
3. Its future earnings prospects,
4. The general character of its management,
5. The convenience and needs of the community to be served by the bank, and
6. thether or not its corporate powers are
consistent with the purposes of section 12B of the Federal Reserve Act."
Approved unanimously.
Letter dated July 15, 1940, to Mr. Nardin, Chairman of the
Pederal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, reading as follows:
"At the completion of the examination of the Federal
Reserve Bank of St. Louis, made as of May 10, 1940, by




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"the Board's examiners, a copy of the report of examination was left for your information and the information
of the directors. A copy was also furnished President
Martin.
"The report does not appear to contain any matters
requiring further comment at this time. The Board will
appreciate advice, however, that the report has been considered by the Board of Directors. Any comments you may
care to offer regarding discussions with respect to the
examination or as to action taken or to be taken as a
result of the examination will also be appreciated."
Approved unanimously.
Letter to Mr. Young, President of the Federal Reserve Bank
Of Boston, reading as follows:
"This refers to your letter of July 3, 1940, and enclosures, presenting for the consideration of the Board
the question whether The Morris Plan Bank of Waterbury,
14aterbury, Connecticut, is a 'bank' within the meaning of
section 8 of the Clayton Act, since if the institution is
not a 'bank', the statute is not applicable to certain of
its directors who are also serving member banks of the
Federal Reserve System.
"It is understood that The Morris Plan Bank of Waterbury was organized under the general business corporation
laws of Connecticut, chapter 194 of the Public Acts of
1903; that its certificate of incorporation authorized it,
among other things, to 'do any and all things incidental
and necessary to the business of an investment company as
Provided by the laws of the State of Connecticut'; that
on Jlay 25, 1919, it voted to become an industrial hank,
under the provisions of chapter 196 of the Public Acts of
1919; that on September 16, 1919, authority to become an
Industrial bank was conferred upon it by the banking commission of Connecticut; that its powers are now limited
to and set forth in the provisions of Chapter 211 of the
General Statutes of Connecticut, 1930, as amended; that
section 4033 of that Chapter states that each industrial
bank may use the word 'bank' as a part of its corporate
title 'but it shall not employ such word in any sign or
advertisement in such a manner as to indicate that such
a corporation is a commercial bank of deposit or a savings
bank'; that section 4035 of that Chapter, as last amended




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"by section 740d states expressly that 'no industrial bank
shall receive money on deposit'; that section 4036 provides
in effect that industrial banks shall be taxed in all respects as 'other state banks', and section 4039 as amended
by section 1241e of the 1939 Cumulative Supplement states
that industrial banks shall be subject to certain provisions of the Connecticut banking statutes.
"It is further understood that The Morris Plan Bank
Of Waterbury formerly issued a form of fully paid investment
certificate and contemplates resuming such practice as soon
as its status under the Clayton Act is determined; that, at
the present time, in lieu of such fully paid investment certificates, it issues a form of installment investment certificate which, for all practical purposes, takes the place
of a fully paid investment certificate and is exclusively
SO used; that such certificates are issued for any amount;
that, although it may and does redeem such certificates on
demand, it has the right to require thirty days' notice in
writing and to limit the aggregate amount of withdrawal
Payments in any one calendar month on all of its outstanding certificates of indebtedness to an amount not exceeding its net receipts of the preceding calendar month; that
a withdrawal of the whole or any part of such certificates
is permitted upon presentation of the account book and the
signing of a receipt by the customer for the cash or check
given; that the institution also issues the usual installment investment certificates but only in denominations of
fifty dollars payable on an installment basis; that withdrawals from the installment investment certificate accounts are not permitted, although the whole of any amount
Paid may be withdrawn by cancelling the account; that,
although both types of investment certificates issued by
the institution provide for conversion into an actual form
of fully paid investment certificate, such conversion is
not made at the present time since the institution does
not issue any form of the latter type; that the institution pays interest on both types of investment certificates issued by it, interest on the certificates which
for all practical purposes take the place of the fully paid
certificates, being payable semi-annually in cash at the
present time, which practice, however, will be changed to
Payment by check when the issuance of a form of fully paid
investment certificate is resumed, and interest on the
usual installment investment certificates being payable
Upon completion of the required installment payments; that
the major portion of the institution's transactions consists




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"Of the making of loans and repayments thereon, approximately 4,000 loans having been made in 1939 and repayments
thereon averaging about 400 per day; that payments on installment investment certificates average about eight per
day and withdrawals on such certificates less than one per
day; that payments on the certificates which are issued in
lieu of fully paid investment certificates average about
four per day and withdrawals on the same about one per
day; that the average daily cash on hand carried in the
institution's office is approximately r,7,350, no specific
amount thereof being set aside for the payment of investment certificates in view of the small amount which is
necessary for such purpose; that two windows are employed
for payments of all types, both with respect to loans and
investment certificates, the time required in connection
With certificates for both payments and withdrawals being
aPproximately one hour a day; that although there were,
during April 1940, 96 payments and 26 withdrawals on the
type of certificates issued by the institution in lieu of
fully paid investment certificates, and 216 payments and
22 withdrawals on installment investment certificates, the
actual number of certificate payments and withdrawals is
less than indicated by these figures since, upon completion of the payments on an installment investment certificate, it is transferred to a certificate of the fully paid
type; that the institution does not issue cashier's checks
or drafts; that it does not accept deposits or funds in
any form except in connection with the issuance of investment certificates; that it does not maintain any form of
so-called checking account service; that it is prohibited
by law from transacting and does not transact a trust business; that it does not offer safety deposit facilities to
the public; that it transacts no escrow or agency business
for the public; that it does not buy or sell securities
for customers, except in cases where a customer requests
the disposition of collateral held by the institution;
that it is not a member of any clearing house association;
that its business hours are not identical with those of
banking institutions operating in the community; that,
although it is subject to the supervision of an examination by the bank commissioner of Connecticut, so also are
credit unions, building and loan associations and small
loan companies; and that it is required to submit to the
banking department reports of condition somewhat similar
to those submitted by Connecticut banks and trust companies.
It is understood also that the general public regards the
institution as a lending corporation or finance company




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"operating primarily in the installment lending field and
not as a bank of deposit.
"From the foregoing, it appears that the powers and
activities of The Morris Plan Bank of Waterbury are essentially similar to those described in the Board's letter of
October 19, 1939 (S-189-a). Accordingly, on the basis of
the facts set forth above, it is the opinion of the Board
that The Morris Plan Bank of Waterbury, Waterbury, Connecticut, is not now a 'bank' within the meaning of section
8 of the Clayton Act."
Approved unanimously.
Memorandum dated July 10, 1940, from Mr. Wingfield, Assistant General
Counsel, recommending that there be published in the
AAgUst issue of the Federal Reserve Bulletin statements in the form
attached to the memorandum with respect to the following subjects:




Investments by Member Banks in Obligations
of certain Government Agencies; and
General Licenses issued by Secretary of the
Treasury.
Approved unanimously.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

faCez,, kyvvt,zer

Secretary.

Chairman.