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Minutes for January 144 1957 To: Members of the Board From: Office of the Secretary Attached is a copy of the minutes of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System on the above date. It is not proposed to include a statement With respect to any of the entries in this set of minutes in the record of policy actions required to be maintained pursuant to section 10 of the Federal Reserve Act. Should you have any question with regard to the minutes, it will be appreciated if you will advise the Secretary's Office. Otherwise, if you were present at the meeting, please initial in column A below to indicate that you approve the minutes. If you were not present, please initial in column B below to indicate that you have seen the minutes. A Glam. Martin Gov. Szymczak 1/ Gov. Vardama n Gov. Mills Gov. Robertson Gov. Balderston Gov. Shepardson 1/ The attached set of minutes was sent to Governor Vardaman's office in ilZrdance with the procedu re approved at the meeting of the Board on 2 3% , t=, t,. (The set was returned by Governor Vardaman's office see Mr. Kenyon's memorandum of February 12, 1957) l'1,7-L hereafter Governor Vardaman would not initial any minutes of meet808 of the Board at which he was not present. Therefore, with Governor va2ardson's approval, these minutes are being filed without Governor a/ran'0 initial. Minutes of actions taken by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System on Monday, January 140 1957. The Board met in the Board Room at 10:00 a.m. PRESENT: Mr. Martin, Chairman Mr. Balderston, Vice Chairman Mr. Mills Mr. Robertson Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Carpenter, Secretary Sherman, Assistant Secretary Kenyon, Assistant Secretary Fauver, Assistant Secretary Thomas, Economic Adviser to the Board Vest, General Counsel Young, Director, Division of Research and Statistics Hostrup, Assistant Director, Division of Examinations Hackley, Associate General Counsel Hexter, Assistant General Counsel Thompson, Supervisory Review Examiner, Division of Examinations Messrs. Mane, General Counsel, Einzig, Assistant Vice President, and Galvin, Chief Examiner, Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. In a letter dated January 12, 1956, the Board requested the Federal R eserve Bank of San Francisco to undertake to obtain information with respect to(11 \-.L; the nature and extent of banking competition in the relevant area before the acquisition by Arizona Bancorporation of stock of The Bank Of Dou gla8, Douglas, Arizona, and other banks, and before the acquisition of /1414 of Southern Arizona Bank and Trust Company, of Tucson, by TransaMericm ck Co rporation; and (2) the effect of those acquisitions upon competi- tion in the area generally as well as upon competition among the enumerated beziks. With its letter of November 23) 1956, the San Francisco Reserve -2-, Bank transmitted copies of a two-volume study of the sane date entitled "Investigation of Banking in Arizona". The first part of the study consisted of an over-all picture of the State of Arizona, a discussion Of credit facilities available in that State, and a discussion of the sources of credit available to particular types of borrowers. The second section consisted of a study of individual areas in the State, including the sources of borrowed funds for the residents of each area, while the third section drew conclusions as to the availability of alternative sources of credit in different localities, the competitive situation between --- yanks, and the specific changes in bank competition which had c'colarred as a result of the acquisitions referred to in the Board's latter. The fourth section presented the legal aspects of the foregoing inatarial. At the meeting of the Board on December 14, 1956, it was agreed that it would be helpful to have representatives of the Reserve Bank meet Ifith the Board to summarize and highlight the conclusions drawn from the and Messrs. °Wane, Einzig, and Galvin were present at this meetfor that purpose. Mr. Galvin reviewed the existing banking facilities in Arizona aticl 14r. Einzig outlined the areas where the respective banks were found to halrPeen in competition. Mr. 0:Kane's remarks were addressed principall-4 to the legal conclusions which had been drawn from the study in the light of the Clayton Att. 79 1/14/57 -3Following a discussion of various questions raised by members of the Board with respect to different phases of the situation in Arizona, as described in the study, reference was made by Governor Robertson to reports of an understanding between the Valley National Bank of Phoenix Etild General Motors Acceptance Corporation to the effect that consumer financing terms would not be changed by either organization independently. Mr. Mane stated that without more information than was now available concerning the reported arrangement, a definite opinion on the legal aspects could not be drawn. In response to a further question by Governor Robertson as to vhether a report on the matter should be sent to the Department of Justice, Mr* °tKane expressed the view that perhaps a report should be made for what ever action the Justice Department might want to take. When Mr. Einzig commented that such a transmittal might reduce the v4„ ' 41-ingness of General Motors Acceptance Corporation to make information available to the Board in the future, Mr. OtKane suggested that IperhaPa the broad responsibilities of the Board were such as to override that con sideration. Mr. Einzig added the explanatory comment that inforZation 1-11 the San Francisco study regarding the operations of General Motors Acceptance Corporation was taken from information received by the 1/(3ard, Presumably on a confidential basis. Chairman Martin said that the Board was very much impressed by the qualitY and scope of the study and that, although the study presented questi"s 'which the Board would have to consider further, the work done bY thp n Ileserve Bank was useful and constructive. 1/14/57 -4Messrs. (Mane, Einzig, and Galvin then withdrew from the meet- ing along With Messrs. Fauver, Thomas, Hostrup, Hexter, and Thompson; and Messrs. Johnson, Controller and Director, Division of Personnel Administration, Horbett, Associate Director, Division of Bank Operations, Noyes, Adviser, Dtvision of Research and Statistics, and Sprecher, Assistant Director, Division of Personnel Administration, entered the room. The Board then gave consideration to a memorandum from the Division of Personnel Administration dated January 10, 1957, regarding a reqpes by t the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City for approval of uPllard a djustments in the employees' salary structures at the head office and branches, effective January 1, 1957. The memorandum brought out that the Percentage increases in the top grades of the structure originally submitted had been reduced by the Reserve Bank following discussion of qUestions raised by the Board's staff. The staff had felt that the ProPosed grades were too high in relation to those of the other Reserve Iiallks to be realistic and pointed out to the Kansas City Bank that the "ructure 'would have the effect of necessitating adjustments in the "ricers* Al s--i-arY structure, the lowest grades of which are based on the t4/q/ 0 the nonofficial structure line. The memorandum recommended that the modified proposal, 'which would place the Kansas City Bank's struc- tare third highest in the System, be approved. S-I: 1/14/57 -5Following comments by Mr. Johnson on the original proposal and the modifications approved by the Bank's directors as a result of discussions between the Board's staff and the Reserve Bank, Mr. Johnson vent on to say that the Division of Personnel Administration had received this morning certain information concerning a survey made by the National Industrial Conference Board of positions in the Kansas City area which appeared to show, in all nine cases where somewhat comparable Positions were involved, salary levels lover than those indicated by the Reserve Bankts survey. He thought that it would be difficult to raise question with the Reserve Bank concerning the adequacy of its wage sUrvey, but on the other hand he questioned whether any survey in Kansas City could justify a salary structure, particularly in the higher grades, 4bc)ve anY other Reserve Bank structure, a result which would have fol'Wed from adoption of the original proposal. In this connection, he Ps:Anted out that because of difficulty in locating comparable positions ill the higher grades, the determinations of the ranges for those grades are made Principally by extending the salary lines applicable to pod.tione in the lower grades. While he thought that the revised proposal of the' Xansae City Bank would not be greatly out of line with the structures of the other Banks and could be approved, he felt at the sane time tilkt the Board should continue to look carefully at the Kansas City Bank,s wage surveys. In a discussion of various aspects of the matter, including the --8-4b11) between Reserve Bank official and nonofficial salary -6structures, Governor Balderston commented that the sample of jobs in- cluded in the Kansas City Bank's survey was relatively small. Accord- ing to the Reserve Bank, a sample survey of other companies had been made which indicated that inclusion of such companies in the Bank's wage 811217eY would not have changed the results substantially. Nevertheless, he felt that if the Board approved the current proposal, the Kansas City k should be encouraged to enlarge its sample in the future. Governor Balderston also expressed concern that the projections made for the higher grades in a Reserve Bank's salary structure might 41 some cases lead to unsound results. Inasmuch, however, as a sub- etanttal amount of time had elapsed since the original Kansas City proP°8a1 vas submitted, and since the Reserve Bank management had been cooperative in revising the proposal so that the salary structure would be more in line vith those of other Reserve Banks, it was his opinion that the Propos ed revised structure could be approved by the Board. Thereupon, unanimous approval was given to a letter to Mr. Leedy, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, in the following form: In accordance with your letters of November 29, 1956, Jarinn— 8, and January 10, 1957, the Board of Governors ap12'°Ire8 the following minimum and maximum salaries for the -?apective grades at the Head Office and Denver, Oklahoma ltY, and Omaha Branches, effective January 1, 1957: Head Office and Denver Branch Grade Minimum Salary Maximum Salary $ 2100 2220 $ 2700 3000 1 1/14/57 Grade 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 lo 11 12 13 14 15 16 Minimum Salary Maximum Salary $ 2460 2700 3060 3420 3840 4260 4740 5340 5940 6540 7320 8160 9120 10140 $ 33oo 3660 4140 4620 5160 5760 6420 7200 7980 8820 9840 10980 12240 13680 Oklahoma City Branch 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 2100 2160 2340 2580 2880 3180 3540 3960 414.14.0 4980 5520 6180 6900 7680 8580 9540 2640 2880 3120 3480 3840 4260 11.740 5340 6000 6720 7440 8280 9240 10320 11520 12840 Omaha Branch 1 2 3 4 5 6 2100 2160 2340 2640 2940 3300 3660 2640 2880 3120 3540 3960 4440 14.920 1/ 114./57 -8Grade Minimum Salary 8 9 10 11 4o8o 14.560 5100 5700 6360 7140 7980 8880 12 13 14 15 16 9960 Maximum Salary $ 5520 6180 6900 7680 8580 9600 10740 12000 13440 The Board understands that these adjustments in structure will not result in salary expenditures in such an amount as to exceed the funds provided for in the Reserve Bank's 1957 budget, emplZtele es, Board approves the payment of salaries to the other than officers, within the limits specified for the grades in which the positions of the respective emPloyees are classified. It is understood that all emPloyess whose salaries are below the minimum of their grades as a result of the structure increase will be brought within ,,e appropriate range as soon as practicable and not later Aprii 1, 1957. Messrs. Johnson and Sprecher then withdrew from the meeting. Reference was made to a memorandum from Mr. Horbett dated J8n118-rY 1A -') 1957, concerning a request from the Federal Reserve Bank of iCansas CitY for a Board ruling on the question whether member banks in Kansas City) Kansas, could obtain termination of their reserve city stat48 ber°re the end of the next three-year review period if they now voted to continue it for the three-year period beginning March 1, 1957. It aPPeared that the two reserve city banks in Kansas City, Kansas, would beLflg 1957, o give up the reserve city designation, effective March 1, except that the laws of the State of Kansas do not permit the -9deposit Of active State funds in a bank located in a nonreserve city. It also appeared that efforts were being made to obtain legislation at the current session of the State Legislature to change this requirement. The m emorandum, copies of which had been sent to the members of the ard, brought out that a somewhat similar question was raised by the Kansas City Bank in 1954 on behalf of member banks in St. Joseph, Missouri, at which time the Board concluded that it would not be warranted in approvbag the request. Mr. Horbett expressed the opinion that if the Board wished to change the be to Position taken in 1954 the best course of action probably would make a change in the existing formula covering the designation of l'eserve cities. age various He pointed out that the making of exceptions might encour- kinds of requests from banks in reserve cities. Following a discussion of the matter, unanimous approval was given to a telegram to Mr. Leedy, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, reading as follows: Referring Mr. Woolley's January 10 telegram, Board does believe it -would be warranted in approving under the dxiTting formula a request for termination of reserve city tesIgnation of Kansas City, Kansas, other than at established Ziennial review dates, and that it would be inadvisable to ;74end and publish a new formula to permit such a procedure. 2u, vill recall that Board took same position in Febru4ry 544.1 on a request from member banks in St. Joseph, Missouri. :ot 1 ranallm There had also been circulated to the members of the Board a memo- "r Mr. Horbett, dated December 28, 1956, relating to a recommendatton b Y the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland that the Board deny the 86 1/14/57 -10- request of Western Pennsylvania National Bank, McKeesport, Pennsylvania, f°r Permission to maintain the reserve requirements applicable to banks located in nonreserve cities instead of those applicable to reserve city banks. Pursuant to the provisions of Regulation D, Reserves of Member Banks, the subject bank became a reserve city bank on December 1) 1956, 8. when it established a branch in Pittsburgh at the location of bank which it absorbed. The Reserve Bank had also recommended the liailrer of certain penalties incurred by the subject bank because of reserve account deficiencies early in December 1956. Mr. Horbett's memoandum expressed concurrence in both recommendatIons but called attention t° actions taken by the Board in the past in somewhat similar situati°n8 Idlich might have a bearing on the Board's decision. In discussing the matter, Mr. Horbett reported that the area 'where the branch is located might be redeveloped in the next year or two and th-4the branch therefore might be moved. He pointed out that if a chan— ' ' 11. in location was made, the member bank could of course ask for a Of the matter by the Board in the light of the changed stances. circum- Following the discussion, unanimous approval was given to a letter to Mr. Stetzelberger, Vice President, Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland, reading as follows: to This refers to your letter of December 14 with regard the application of the Western Pennsylvania National Bank, 1/14/57 -11- McKeesport, Pennsylvania, for permission to maintain the reserve requirements applicable to banks located in nonreserve cities, instead of those applicable to reserve city banks to which the bank became subject early in December when it established a branch in Pittsburgh. The Board has given careful consideration to the Pertinent facts contained in the letter sent by Mr. Cancelliere, president of the subject bank, to Chairman Martin under date of December 1, and to those contained in Your letter of December 14 and accompanying exhibits. It has also had a review made of Board actions in the past °n applications for reduction in reserve requirements in similar circumstances. The Board concurs in your view that the Pittsburgh branch of the Western Pennsylvania National Bank is not located in an outlying district of the city of Pittsburgh, and that there is considerable question whether ;toile type of business which will be transacied in Pitts. urgh by the Western Pennsylvania National Bank will be Phioal of that transacted by banks located in outlying cetistricts of reserve cities that have permission to _arrY reduced reserves. Accordingly, and pursuant to .nur recommendation, the Board denies the subject bank's a pplication. of „Also pursuant to the recommendations in your letters eember 14 and January 2, the Board authorizes your to waive the penalties totaling $932.01 incurred by the subject bank early in December. Please advise the member bank of the Board's actions. Messrs. Sherman and Horbett then withdrew from the meeting and Mr, v ASSIStant Counsel, Legal Division, entered the room. Under date of January 2, 1957, Senator Sparkman, Chairman of the Subcommittee on Housing of the Senate Banking and Currency Committee, li.rote to the Board requesting its views cn the question of appropriate interest rates for Federally underwritten mortgages. With a memorandum dated January 10, 1957, from Mr. Young, Director of the Division of 1/14/57 -12- Research and Statistics, there had been sent to the Board copies of 8- proposed reply. This reply would suggest leaving the rate of interest On individual mortgages to the discretion of the Commissioner of the Federal Housing Administration or the Administrator of the Veterans kiministration at the time the mortgage was submitted for insurance or guarantY. It was suggested that this would insure needed rate flexi- bility by area and that individual mortgages should bear a rate of interest which was fair and reasonable, considering the general state of mortgage and capital markets, the location of the property mortgaged, aaad other Specific factors relating to each individual transaction. At the conclusion of the discussion of the draft, it was understood that the letter would be redrafted on the basis of comments made at this meeting and that the matter then would be considered further by the Board. Reference then was made to a memorandum dated January 8, 1957, from mr • Young, Director, Division of Research and Statistics, recommending that the Board authorize entering into a contract with the Bu- ' l eau of the Census, at a cost of $25,000, to continue the arrangement fc'r obtaining information on charge account and instalment receivables held by retail dealers in connection with th Bureau's annual survey of retail trade. The memorandum stated that the budget of the Census kreau for the fiscal year 1958 s reported to include a request for 1/14/57 -13- funds to collect credit data in connection with the 1957 survey, to be conducted early next year. If the budget should be approved, the memo- randum pointed out, it would not be necessary for the Board to defray thC cost of collecting the retail receivables data next year and probablY in subsequent years. Following a statement by Mr. Young, the recommendation contained in his memorandum was approved unanimously. Under date of January 9, 1957, the Bureau of the Budget requested the Board's views with respect to a draft bill vhich would authorize a Year program of Federal assistance to States and communities to enable them LO increase public elementary and secondary school construc- tion. n draft of proposed reply was submitted to the Board with a memorandum from mr. Young, Assistant Counsel, dated January 10 which stated that +.1, draft bill represented a revision of an earlier draft on which the Board reported to the Budget Bureau by letter dated January 5, 1956. The January 19r6 7 reply did not comment with respect to the main provii°118 of the bill but raised a question as to the exemption of State oblitticme issued to finance school construction from the restrictions of Sectioll 5136 of the Revised Statutes of the United States. This exemption II" not c ontained in the current draft bill. /181ted Hackley stated that last Friday, January 11, the Budget Bureau bY telephone whether it might have at least an informal response from - tee Board today. Following a brief discussion, unanimous approval was given to a -14letter to Mr. Roger W. Jones, Assistant Director for Legislative Reference, Bureau of the Budget, reading as follows: This is in response to your communication of January 9/ 1957, in which you request the views of the Board with respect to a draft bill, "To authorize a four-year program Of Federal Assistance to States and communities to enable Inem to increase public elementary and secondary school co nstruction." The draft bill would authorize the Federal Government to purchase obligations issued by local educational agencies to finance school construction where such obligations canotherwise be marketed upon reasonable terms; provide for Federal grants to States to finance urgently needed school facilities; provide support by the Federal Government, with th Participation of the States, of obligations issued by tate school-financing agencies established to finance construction of school facilities; and provide for Federal .T.ants to the States to assist them in meeting their adminisrative expenses in the development and initiation of State Pro grams_ designed to promote efficiency in, told to increase, public school construction. The provisions of the draft bill do not fall directly thin the scope of the Federal Reserve System's monetary na supervisory responsibilities, and the Board has no comment to offer with respect to them. r Mr. Carpenter stated that the President had signed a bill to excus_ (31.rernment workers on January 21, 1957, in observance of InaugUration Day. Thereupon, it was agreed unanimously to excuse on that date all employees of the Board except those required to be present by the nature of their duties. The meeting then recessed and reconvened at 2:30 P.m. with the Bate m embers of the Board present along with Messrs. Carpenter, Kenyon, Ve8t, -("'ruP, Hexter, and Thompson of the staff. 1/14/57 -15In accordance with arrangements made by Governor Robertson Pursuant to the understanding at the meeting on January 11, 1957) the follovin g persons also were present to state reasons in support of the aPPlication of Marine Midland Corporation to acquire the voting shares °D The Lake Shore National Bank of Dunkirk, Dunkirk) New York: Bayard Pe P°Ps) Chairman of the Executive Committee of Marine Midland Corporation; Baldwin Maull, President of the Corporation; E. C. Gruen, Financial 13fricer of the Corporation; Charles Teschner, Chairman of the Board of Chaute-uqua National Bank of Jamestown, Jamestown, New R, Beebe) President of The Lake Shore National Bank. and Harvey Under the proposal the Lake Shore bank would be merged with the Jamestown institution, which °Uld establish a branch at the location of the Lake Shore Bank in Dunkirk. Mr. Beebe began the discussion by covering local aspects of the Matter. u. He said that he had started negotiations with Marine Midland l'el'esentattves in June of last year, that the results of the negotiations satisfactory on both sides, that a formal application was submitted In A ugust, and that additional information subsequently was furnished by him and Marine Midland t tiv s in a discussion with members of the B. Oardts staff in November and later in a letter that he sent to the liOarA ‘' He also stated that personally he would not be anxi.ous to see a he arilig ordered on the matter because he felt that the reasons might be tieut, "rst°9d in a small community like Dunkirk) with repercussions detritlental to the bank, In addition, he felt that just about all of the information pertinent to the case had been furnished. 94. 1/14/57 -16Mr. Beebe went on to say that news of the proposal was pub- lished in a banking publication in December, following which various Taestions were raised in the community and representatives of Manufacturers and Traders Trust Company of Buffalo, New York, indicated to him that that institution would be desirous of acquiring the Lake Shore Bank and establishing a branch in Dunkirk, where it has one branch alraadY in operation. He did not know whether Manufacturers and Traders vtuld have in mind discontinuing its present branch, situated in a iess desirable location than the Lake Shore Bank, or whether it would operate both offices. He pointed out, however, that in any event Manufacturers and Traders would have a considerably larger banking opereti0 11 than the remaining independent bank in Dunkirk. Mr. Beebe indicated that at first he felt Manufacturers and Traders would not be in a position to lake an offer because supervisory approval vas not likely to be forth.Coming However, he had since been informed by representatives of the BUrfaiv, ii mmoic that the matter had been taken up informally with persons the office of the State Superintendent of Banks and that this might distin -guishable from certain applications recently denied because of the Pr esence of the local independent bank and the fact that Manufacturers be vas al-Lady represented in Dunkirk. beli Turning to the local competitive situation, Mr. Beebe said he did eve that Dunkirk would be as well served from the competitive tEtridyto * Int 'with aPt only two banking offices. He felt that Manufacturers was tO 44ke an attractive offer for the Lake Shore Bank, but he said that -17it vould be difficult to enter into such an arrangement because of the competitive history between the Lake Shore Bank and the Manufacturers branch. On the other hand, there had been a long history of friendly relations between his bank and the Marine Midland bank in Buffalo. Another deterr ent, he said, was that stock of Marine Midland Corporation, 1,ich forvshares of the Lake Shore Bank would be exchanged, has a dennitelY ascerta inable market value while stock of Manufacturers and 'Traders is not so widely traded. For these and other reasons, he did 4" feel that an offer by Manufacturers and Traders would be so well re e--''" RY the Lake Shore Bank's officers, directors, and stockholders. Pr°rn the point of view of bank personnel, he thought that the advantages the direction of accepting the Marine Midland offer. In further comments, Mr. Beebe review ed the number and size of ccnnmereial banks and savings and loan associations which, along with a branch °f a personal loan company, operate in the Dunkirk-Fredonia area. It Irea "4u, 8 opinion that the independent banks in those cities would not be aaged if the Lake Shore Bank became a branch of the Chautauqua National Bank. Teschner then discussed the location, size, branches, and hist* 17 of the Chautauqua National Bank. In telling of the types of busiale 88 handled, he expressed the view that the wider range of services that e ices °Uld be offered by a branch in Dunkirk, as compar ed with the servYailable through the Lake Shore Bank, would be helpful to the 1/14/57 -18- c°41nlunitY. He felt that the operation also would be more profitable ss a branch bank and that in general the consolidation would be benefieial to the whole area. Employees of Lake Shore, he said, would be i4 a position to receive all of the benefits available to employees of a Marine Midland bank. Mr. Teschner then reviewed various occasions cr r a period of years when his bank had extended loans or other assist" ance to commercial businesses in the Jamestown area in such a way as to contribute to the area's business development. In several of these cases) he 8tated, the loan requests had been turned down by competing independent balls. 143. Maull summarized steps taken thus far by Marine Midland ration in an effort to obtain supervisory approval of the current el)Plication and stated reasons why a decision at the earliest time possible 'would be appreciated. It was only because Lake Shore desired an exchange of shares, he said, that the transaction cane within the purview or the Bank Holding Company Act. He expressed the view that the implieati°118 of this particular transaction bore only a remote relationship, 1ra 4, r to the objectives of the Act. Mr. Maull then discussed the status Of mart that ne Midland Corporation in relation to its controlled banks) stating PrinciPally it acts to assure good management and directors, to supDlY ca,4 "tal funds when needed, and to supply those services that can be Dem rmed best on a "pool" basis. Following a description of such services hA - said that through the establishment of regional banks with 95 1/14/57 -19- branches, the number of banking institutions in the group had been redrted from 133 to 13 over the years and that this development in New York State was not confined to the Marine Midland group. More im- Portant than the size of the banks, he asserted, were the characteristics " 4 location. Mr. Maull then vent on to state reasons why he considered 4 regional bank setup more beneficial to the business development of the various areas than the operation of smaller unit banks. On the question of competition, he thought that wherever there was strong competition between rival banking organizations the public would be well served, and that there was such competition in all areas where Marine Midland banks operate, including competition from other types of financial ins titutions and from metropolitan banks located in New York City and elsewhere. In fact, he said, the competition and the credit needs Of the areas were such as to indicate that perhaps the regional banks should be larger. Mr• Pope said that Marine Midland had tried to look at this case vithin the framework of the standards set forth in the Bank Holding Corn13a113 'Act: that it could see nothing in the situation in Dunkirk, in Chautauqua tate Of County) in the Ninth New York Banking District, or in the New. York which would constitute good reason for denial of the 411P11cation, and that the considerable degree of existing competition '4111c1 continue. After referring to the efforts of Marine Midland to 1/14/57 14°1* -20- closely with the Board in the past, he mentioned the current competition for savings accounts as an example of the keen nature of competitive rivalry. He also spoke of the extent to which Marine Midland had auPPlied capital funds over the years to the banks in its group. As t° local autonomy, he said that in most cases Marine has no direct repl'eaentative on the board of directors of the group bank, and that the directors of each institution "run the bank". As to concentration, he said that Marine's coverage in no case approached undue concentration it relation to the number of the banking offices in the particular area. Re IN.,. 4-2.eved that a Marine Midland bank office in Dunkirk could serve better than the local bank the welfare of the people who do business in the area) and he added that Marine had never "gone in the back door" to acquire a bank. Governor Robertson inquired of Mr. Pope where, if he were in the 130ardea Place, he would draw the line beyond which bank acquisitions by holding comp__ eu07 group should not be permitted. the 14r, Pope responded that he would draw the line at a point where acquisition vould be damaging to competition and said that he did not think the Marine Midland acquisitions previously approved by the Board had disrupted competition. Mr. Pope also said that he did not believe any 1111I could be laid down which would be applicable in all parts of the Q°141.trY, that there must be consideration of the territory involved and 844 aPPlication of common sense, and that the question could not be 'altered in dogmatic terms through fixing percentages. 144/57 -21In reply to a question by Governor Balderston regarding Marine Midland concentrati on in Niagara County, Mr. Maull said that the concentration in the county was heavy, that this was an older location for Marine Midland, and that he thought Marine must have served the area sat isfactorily or others would have come into the territory. Chairman Martin then inquired of Mr. Beebe as to his intentions if supervisory approval of a sale of the Lake Shore Bank to Marine Midland or „. --"Alacturers and Traders could not be obtained. Mr. Beebe replied that it was his intention to retire from the bankiav "business, that his principal associates in the bank were older men, that other top management was not available within the bank, and that he 'would have to cast around for some other solution. He also said th" the bank's stock, formerly owned by an estate, had been placed largely in the hands of persons that he had interested in the bank, that most of the earnings had been retained for addition to capital funds, and that the dividend rate therefore had been low. In substance, he felt that the atockho ld er st oc interests of their k by exchange best be served would st for Stock of Marine Midland Corporation. Chairman Martin concluded the meeting by stating that the Board endeavor to reach a decision as soon as possible. The meeting then adjourned. Secretary's Note: The Board having been informed that Dr. Philip G. Davidson 1/14/57 -22would accept appointment, if tendered, as a director of the Louisville Branch, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, the following telegram was sent to Dr. Davidson today pursuant to the Board's action on January 10, 1957: Board of Governors has appointed you director of L°uisville Branch of Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis for remainder of term expiring December 31, 1957. Your acceptance by collect telegram would be appreciated. It is understood that you are not director of any altndo not hold public or political office. Should eZ1 bT 11 change in these respects during your tenure Please inform Chairman St. Louis Bank. We should like to know how you wish your name and be shown in Board's announcement and pubP1=1:5t.°