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511 A meeting of the Federal Reserve Board was held in Washington Ofl PildaY, December 22, 1933, at 12:40 p. m. PRESENT: Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Black, Governor Hamlin James Thomas Szymczak O'Connor Mr. Morrill, Secretary, Mr. Wyatt, General Counsel, Mr. Martin, Assistant to the Governor. ALSO PRESENT: Messrs. Harrison, Young, Norris, Seay, Martin and Geery, Governors of the Federal Reserve Banks of New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Richmond, St. Louis and Minneapolis, respectively; and Messrs. McKay, Gilbert and Fleming, Deputy Governors of the Federal Reserve Banks of Chicago, Dallas and Cleveland, respectively. Governor Black stated that he had asked the representatives of l'ederal reserve banks to meet with the Board in order that he might e4 ' fille them in confidence of certain recent developments. He added that It we's landerstood that the representatives present from the Federal re8("e banks might upon their return to their banks make known these cle7e1°1)Mellt2s in confidence, to the members of their respective boards (1(1A-rectors at meetingsto be called for the purpose. thftellalon read from a memorandum as follows: were Governor Black "At a conference on Thursday, December 14th, the following present: The President The Attorney General The Acting Secretary of the Treasury The General Counsel to the Treasury Department The Governor of the Federal Reserve Board. 512 12/22/33 -2- "It was stated by Mr. Morgenthau that the meeting was to discuss a plan by which the Government would obtain the profit upon the gold owned by the Federal Reserve Banks in event of devaluation. "Mr. Cummings then read a memorandum embracing a plan for this purpose. "My reaction to the plan was asked and after stating several objections to it I asked time for its full consideration. This consideration has now been given and this memoran°Alm contains the conclusions reached. "Before discussing the plan may I present four facts: "First: Several weeks ago the President appointed a cOmmittee consisting of the Secretary of the Treasury, the Attorney General and me, to consider the very question presented at the conference and to report to him. Immediately after the appointTent of this committee the questions involved were studied and reported to the Secretary of the Treasury and to the Attorney General that I was prepared to discuss them. This committee is still in existence, has had 110 meeting and has made no report. This statement is made solely for the purpose of making it clear that the plan proposed by the Attorney General is not the Product of this committee. "Second: During the present administration the Federal Reserve System has operated in complete harmony with the ReverY Program of the Administration, as illustrated in part by .te purchase during this period of $600,000,000 of governments ! II an effort to supply funds foi- every credit need in aid of the xecovery Program. "Third: There has been no manifestation on the part of any Reserve Bank of any opposition to the proper disposition under , *1111 legal authority of the profit upon the Reserve System's gold 3 regard being had for the constitutional provision that Alst compensation be made for the property taken. "Fourth: The gold in question is either in the Treasury or in the twelve Federal Reserve Banks. The gold of the System has bee„ In the same places for approximately twenty years. There been discussion for many months of devaluation and profit 13c)1 gold in event of devaluation. This discussion has not af4, t:cted the location of one dollar of this gold. No effort has IT en made or considered to change the possession of this gold. will be made. The gold will remain right where it is in eve nt of devaluation until all question of the profit upon this (-cl is legally settled. The Reserve Banks can be trusted to this effect can be made.extent, but if desired an agreement to r 7is In the light of these four statements of fact the plan 4 -tXested by the Attorney General must be discussed. This plan 411v°1ves: 513 12/22/33 -3- (1) Action by the Treasury commandeering the gold holdings of the System. This action to be without publicity, to be based upon authority of the law relating to the protection of the currency system of the United States, to be applied after usual banking hours without prior notice to the officers of the Reserve Banks. "(2) The demand at this hour and under these cOnditions of all gold in the vaults of the Reserve Banks, all gold held by the Federal Reserve Agents in trust for the holders of, Federal Reserve notes, and all denominated 'equity' in the gold of the System held by the Treasury. 11 (3) If the demands of the Government agents are not complied with then those agents are to post on the vaults of the uanks a notice that all gold held therein is the property of the United States. 11 (4) Compensation for the gold so commandeered is to be rilMe by these government agents through the medium of a writing stating that the bank is "entitled' to gold certificates for the gold taken. "Under this plan it is proposed to give the Government both asession of and title to all gold in the vaults of the Reserve Ana.nks, all gold held in a trust capacity by the Federal Reserve ' - ents, and all gold held in the trust relations by the Treasury Covered in the Gold Redemption Fund, the Federal Reserve Agents' °ad Pund and the Federal Reserve System's Gold Settlement Fund. "To this whole plan I enter my very earnest and serious objection. My objections are: "(1) That the whole plan is of doubtful legality, and in w opinion would be unwarranted in law. t„ "(2) That under the plan the result desired cannot be ob71ned--that is, title to the gold would not in the end rest in the Government. :1(3) The plan is unworkable. "(4) The plan is unnecessary. " ( 5) An attempt to put the plan in operation would result di barstrously to the Federal Reserve System and to the entire credit situation, and would be inimical to the Ad- r Al_ aY I discuss these objections? and in my "EkrAL: The whole plan is of doubtful legality Pini:)In would be unwarranted in law. "This conclusion rests upon three bases: (1) The problem as to the constitutionality of the Thomas araendment. vk 2This problem exists. There is a serious question whether 1-e Thomas Amendment is not unconstitutional in delegating legisvalidity of att. "power to the President. This question of the 514 12/22/33- .-4- "the Thomas Amendment is a vital one, because unless the Presidentts action is valid the Reserve Banks will in fact obtain no Profit on their gold stocks. If the statute is unconstitutional a-AY action by the President would be a nullity and the existing Parity between the dollar and gold would not be affected by a proclamation reducing the value of the dollar. Again, if the gold content of the dollar was reduced fifty per cent resulting in a book profit to the Reserve Banks upon its gold, such profit would be lost if the present parity between the dollar and gold were subsequently reinstated. If the entire profit of the Reserve Banks on their gold were taken by the Government upon a fifty per cent devaluation of the dollar, the subsequent restoration of the 20.67 ratio would result in wiping out the capital and surplus of the Reserve Banks. Again, any action which is taken with respect to the gold profit must be considered in view ! ic est ell,neTe:t .atlatory requirement regarding the maintenance of gold "(2) There is no authority in law for calling in the Reserve Banks. ' gold under the anti-hoarding provision, first, because under the law the Reserve Banks have the right to buy and hold gold; second, because the law requires them to hold gold s reserves; third, because some of their gold was turned over ! B .them under GOvernraent order against hoarding and the Reserve ' t llks were recognized as the proper agency for holding this re411rned gold; fourth, because the central banks of a nation holdgold, for reserves and as the base for the nationts credit could hardly be termed thoardefst. "(3) There is no authority in law for calling in the reservegold under the provision that gold may be called in by the Secretary of the Treasury when 'such action is necessary to protect the currency system of the United States'. There could be no asserting that the currency system would be protected by 1Te de-riving sixty per cent of the currency of the country of its gold lasei.n It would appear superfluous to argue this question. aw, (4) The Thomas Amendment does not in terms confer any of "itY upon the President to deprive the Federal Reserve Banks me,:4Y gold profit resulting from devaluation. The Thomas Amendvests no one, even by implication, with authority to deal with h the Senate upon the bill show at the su:bject. The debates in the should. be taken was disprofits question whether gold cussed,; e that the Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency : c, , 131* .essed the view that the bill was not intended to cover that :JJect, and that it could be dealt with later. Senator Fletcher 'sked whether the amendment provided any method by which any Profitmade by those holding gold, at the date of devaluation, Could. be taxed. He replied there was not, and further that he not favor incorporating such a provision in the pending bill, Z 515 2/22/33 ' "altho . he was in sympathy with the proposal and believed that it should be considered later. The determination as to -)rofits must be made by Congress. "S E__Lcsarl.L Under the plan the result desired cannot be obt ained--that is, title to the gold would not in the end rest in the Government. It may oe possible under the plan to obtain actual or constructive nossession. As a matter of fact the gold of the reserve banks now in the Treasury is as follows: in the Gold Redemption Fund. in Federal Reserve Agents' Gold Fund. in the Gold Settlement Fund. "While it is true that these funds are gold deposits -21aced with the Treasury in trust for certain authorized statutory trust p,urposes, the possession is with the Treasury. Title to these Itunds could not be given to or vested in the Treasury by any ac0± the Governor or the Federal Reserve Agent or any other officer of a Reserve Bank. The 'control' of a reserve bank is yested by law in its 'Board of Directors', and any disposition of lts gold with any legal authority could only be had by the Board Directors. And, under the plan suggested, any demand of the ...reasury -anon or compliance with such demand by an officer of a t eserve Bank would be ineffectual to vest title to the gold in the vernment. For the sale reason—that is, lack of authority in bank officers to pass title--no title could be vested in the Overnment in the go1,1 coin or gold bullion, by action of the rficers in compliance with the plan. "A directors' meeting would have to be held and, laying aside for the present 1,he authority of directors even in dealing with , gold reserve of a central bank, the holdings of such meetings uld contravene the evidence nurnoses of the plan and the devalualon -oroposed coincident with the plan. That has been said. as 0 the imoossibility of passing of title under the plan is es eeially applicable to the gold held by the Federal Reserve 46tc:ent, whether it is in his possession or is deosited in trust ,, 4".th the Treasury, since under the law this gold is held by him as such fllY as trustee for holders of Federal Reserve notes, and ustee he would have no right to transfer the title to such rust gold to the Government or any other party. under the "Again, title to the gold could not be obtained declaring ")rol writing a "ed plan by giving to the Reserve Bank ) for its certificates ilat the Reserve Bank is 'entitled' to gold such of That is not payment, and if payment, the giving Congress all °bligation is nrohibited under joint resolution of brol;ating the gold clause, in which resolution the Government language 8 Prohibited from making any obligation containing or a gold in ecifYing that the 'obligation shall be paid ' si r n j Z 516 12/2246 tp -6- kind, of coin or currency., "The Reserve Banks have only $ of gold coin and bullion that is not in the hands of the Treasury. Under the Plan possession of this gold might be obtained, if it were not for the lack of authority of the bank's officer to deliver possession, but in no way under the plan could title be obtained. "It would be futile to adopt a plan that could not accomplish purpose and which would not vest title in the Government. it8 "Third: The plan is unworkable. "This is true, first, because of the legal difficulties discussed, especially the lack of authority in the bank's officers to deliver title, and, second, because no bank officer, in the absence of such authority, should dare to part with the bank's gold and in my opinion would not take this responsibility, but would immediately refer it to the directors upon whom the responsibilitY rests. This would involve the calling of a directors' meeting, the time involved in that procedure, the publication of devaluation to the bank's officers and to one hundred and eight directors, and, however proper that might be since the survival of the bank is involved, the plan would fall in this procedure and d evaluation would become public property. "Consideration, too, should be given to the question as to Whether these bank officials should be required to choose between a- course which would subject them to the criticism of their directors, if they arrogated to themselves the power vested by law in their directors, or a course which might subject tnem to the PrIaltY of the law against hoarders. I am of opinion that these Officers have not merited the necessity of such a choice, and I r 1 also of opinion that the record of these banks in support of a, , 17 A dministration's recovery program should preclude the possilit? of the imposition of such a plan upon them. "Fourth. rielan is unnecessary. p , is not necessary to resort to this or any other plan 7 is full -,1 1 sn the law can provide very speedily a full plan. This iy an can be provided by Congressional legislation which could e had im-lediately after devaluation. This Congressional action ratify the devaluation and remove the constitutional quesi°ne surrounding the Thomas Amendment. It' could provide for rIPsnsating advantages to the Reserve Banks for taking their " ,Tj-,d ana remove the constitutional doubt as to such taking 7!.thout compensation. It could give necessary protection to Reserve Banks in event of a later revaluation. No private 1'n of devaluation could provide such necessary protection, ! 'nd the proposed plan is devoid of such protection. It would remove the uncertain legal problems involved iii a ., PPlyini; the anti-hoarding law or laws for improving the arellcy System in taking possession of this gold. It could 517 12/22/33 "make effective the title to the gold and could provide, through Civing certain compensating advantages to the reserve banks, for 'Lie application of the profits made. "All of this is so simple, so straight, and so effective that it should be followed. It would remove a large element of criticism which would follow devaluation under any other plan. Congressional action is going to be absolutely necessary in connection with devaluation. It can be of no practical effect ratnout determination of many monetary problems involved in its application. Congressional action could well embrace this problem of nrofits. fth: An attempt to nut the plan into operation would reat disastrously to the Federal Reserve System and to the entire anking and credit situation and would be inimical to the Administration. "This is equally true whether the plan succeeds or fails. It would be unwise to subject the System, the banking situation, and the Administration to the harsh criticism that will follow the attempt. It would be more unwise to accept the criticism and then fail in the plan, and this outcome would seem certain. "We must realize what is being suggested. It is to take the gold reserves from the System and to replace them with gold certificates that may not be redeemed in gold; to deprive the System of what the law says it must have; to leave sixty per cent of the curl'efleY off the gold base that the law requires; to do this without Itlotice even to the Central Banks themselves; to raise large ques,10fl5 of the goodness of reserve currency; to jeopardize in cerin contingencies even the solvency of the Reserve System; to have the reaction of this situation upon the banking structure of the nntry, probably to cause large withdrawals from the Reserve Banks 'flemselves: all followed by a distrust of the whole banking structure• c, "The method of anproach of this plan will bring its own criti_t8m. All this without necessity when the straight path is the !_11:re?le path to the end desired. The Administration should not be "IlbJected to this criticism. "1 respectfully suggest that the success of the proposed plan reevo+. in putting title in the Treasury to the gold should be Treasury the theast thingthe Administration should want. In the Treasy Cold (2) could or 1110 (1) remain in the treasury and not be used, " c- sold by the Treasury and this it would not want to do, or (3) 117 1 1d serve as the base for an issue of gold certificates, and then A,Ader the law could be used for no other purpose. Neither the 7-ministration nor the Treasury would want such an issue of gold certifieates nor such a limitation upon the gold. At present gold T7tificates are not allowed to circulate. If circulated by the TreesIlrY they must be redeemed in gold by the Treasury, or the easurY would be in the anomalous position of issuing gold certi- r 518 12/22/33 -8_ "ficates not redeemable in gold. If redeemable in gold, then three or more billions of gold would be payable to the public on these gold certificates and could be hoarded or exported by the public. And this in the face .of the present policy of the Administration in respect to gold. "As against this defenseless situation, in view of our present policy with respect to gold, exactly the reverse would ) c oollr if the gold was left in the Federal Reserve Banks. There all the gold would be for reserve purposes, and as the base for an issue of currency redeemable in gold or lawful money. Federal reserve notes would be issued and the present policy in regard to cola would be preserved. The profit on the gold as allocated by Congress to the Government would be credited by the Reserve lablks to the Government and would be available in lawful currency or in deposit credit for meeting Government obligations. The Cold would remain in the Reserve Banks for other purposes in accord with Governmental policy. "I trust it may not be necessary but in conclusion I must ask, if my objections are overridden and this plan is adopted, that the confidence reposed in me in this matter be broadened to embrace the Governor and Chairman of each reserve bank so that they may be fully informed and be guided by their own view of their responsibility in the matter. "I regret the length of this memorandum. To have said less would have been to fail the Administration and to fail the Reserve System. This I would not do. Respectfully submitted, Governor, Federal Reserve Board. "Total gold in the Treasury and in Federal Reserve Banks is $4,012,918,000 Or this $4,012,918,000, $3,201,941,000 is held in the different agencies of the Treasury as follows: San Francisco Mint New York Assay Office Philadelphia Mint Denver Mint Seattle Assay Office New Orleans Assay Office Cashier's Office, Washington . 1,439,799,000 879,610,000 503,075,000 365,022,000 2,194,000 1,308,000 10,933,000 Total . . . 3,201,941,000 519 12/22/33 -9-- The remaining $810,977,000 of gold coin and. bullion is located in the Federal Reserve Banks as follows: New York Chicago San Frpncisco Boston Richmond Cleveland Philadelphia St. Louis Minneapolis Dallas Kansas City Atlanta Total $406,430,000 134,707,000 92,906,000 47,616,000 29,443,000 22,738,000 20,549,000 12,476,000 11,849,000 11,805,000 11,280,000 9,137,000 810,977,000 "In addition to gold coin and bullion the Federal Reserve Banks hold gold certificates as follows: New York Chicago San Francisco Boston Richmond Cleveland Philadelphia St. Louis Minnearolis Dallas Kansas City Atlanta Total $264,797,000 314,059,000 29,160,000 48,644,000 23,717,000 .89,332,000 92,870,000 16,180,000 18,462,000 12,478,000 18,087,000 15,010,000 942,796,000 ld of the Federal Reserve Banks in the Treasury is as Iollows: Collateral for Gold Certificates held by Federal Reserve Banks Federal Reserve Agents gold fund collateral for Federal Reserve notes) $942,794,000 1,105,174,000 Gold Settlement Fund 673,403,000 Gold Reaermption Puna 40,888.000 Total 2,762,259,000 5"0 12/22/33 -10"The total gold reserves of the 12 Federal $3,573,236,000 Reserve Banks are Gold in the Treasury other than Federal Reserve Gold is 439,682,000 Of this $219,391,000 is collateral for gold certificates in circulation ,outside of Federal Reserve Banks and $156,039,000 is reserves against United States notes, $30,329,000 against redemption funds for national bank notes and Federal Reserve bank notes and $33,923,000 free gold. Gold certificates in circulation outside of Federal Reserve Banks, $219,391,000, and gold In circulation outside of Federal Reserve and Treasury, $311,045,000." At 12:58, during the course of the reading of the memorandum, Chair man Rewton and Acting Governor Johns, of the Federal Reserve Bank (If. Atlanta, having just arrived by train from Atlanta, entered the meetana Meetinp rtleeti at 1:54 n. m. Mr. Miller entered the meeting. At 2:58 the was adjourned and at 4:24 n. m. those present at the morning rePssembled, with the exception of Messrs. O'Connor and Martin. At 4:40 p. m. the Board members withdrew and at 5:15 D. m. all who "a been present at the previous meetings reassembled, with the ex- ception of Messrs. O'Connor and. Martin. During the meetings a number of the Governors present asked that they be carry furnished some statement in writing which they could 134cit with them to their boards of directors and it was agreed on the Dart or the Board that a statement of the Board's position should be DreDez ed- It was also agreed on the part of the Governors that they !Iolaa 1)1'eDare a statement of their views. The understanding was also 521 12/22/33 -11- reached that the meetings of the boards of directors of all of the ?Mersa reserve banks would be called for Wednesday, December 27, 1933. In the course of the discussion reference was made to an opinion wadressed to the Federal Reserve Board under date of December 21 by Mr. liewt°11 D. Baker, who had been retained by the Board as special counsel 14 this matter. A copy of this opinion and a supplemental memorandum ' 844ressed to Governor Black: by Mr. Wyatt under date of December 22, 1933, will be found attached hereto. SECRETARY'S NOTE: At a separate meeting of Board members, 4 st atement of the Board's position was formulated and at a subsequent meeting the same day this opinion was read to the Governors. The Board later received from Governor Harrison a statement of the views of the (h) lrern -°rs, copies of which, he informed the Board, were furnished to all of the Governors. The statement read as follows: "The conference considered the report which Governor Black made to the meeting relative to the desire of the Administra, tion to make appropriate arrangements to secure title of all Cold held by the Federal Reserve banks or Federal Reserve Agents t '1(3 that if and when the President of the United States decides 13° exercise the power to devalue the dollar conferred upon him lle so-called Thomas Amendment, the profit on any such gold L:Ju-Ld automatically and simultaneously inure to the benefit of ‘ns tililited States. di While those present, of course, have had no opportunity to : d scuss the various questions presented with their respective reotore, it was nevertheless their informal opinion that the P et °fit on gold held by the Federal Reserve System resulting from 00'egal devaluation of the dollar Should in principle go to the v ernment. They feel it is most important, however, to point 1:t that the choice of steps taken or the procedure followed by t4 e Government to realize this profit, in the event of devaluali'°11, have many serious aspects and that in the interest of the public, any sclera' Reserve System, the member banks, and the ji Z 522 12/22/33 -12- II plan adopted should, in the orinion of the Conference, definitely avoid divesting the Federal Reserve banks, for any period of time, of both the title and the right to the gold held by them as reserve against their notes or their deposits. "The Conference is of the opinion that any procedure which even in the slightest degree disturbs the confidence of the public in the integrity of the position of the Federal Reserve banks or the sanctity of their gold reserve will probably result in a banking crisis the extent of which it is difficult to estimate. In these circumstances it is believed that there is the gravest rlsk to any plan of action, designed to give to the Government the gold profit resulting from devaluation, which is based on the hypothesis that the title and the right to all gold held in the reserves of the Federal Reserve System is to be transferred to the Treasury, leaving title to no gold in the Federal Reserve The Governors, in the short time available today to study the question, see no way by which the profit on gold resulting from devaluation can be transferred to the Government, without the serious threat to public confidence in our banking system, .except by appropriate Congressional action which at the same time provides for the protection of the necessary gold reserve against the obligations of the Federal Reserve banks. "In the event that the Government decides that Congressional .ction is inadvisable or inappropriate but that the profit Should be given to the Government by other means, the Governors are of the opinion that no steps can be taken by the Federal Reserve Bank except by action of their respective boards of directors. Having in mind the importance of a thorough exploration of the various Possibilities presented today for our consideration, the Governors are arranging for meetings of their respective directors on or before next Wednesday." Thereupon the meeting adjourned. 143---GALL n Secretar. 4 :9Provea: Governor. 523 December 22, 1933. Dear Governor Blacl:: Following the delivery to you of r. Baker's written ()Pinion of December 21, 1933, you called Lttention to the fact that the cp4 nicn Ed not specifically state his views as to what action should be taken if a forrnal demand for the gold should be made upon the Federal reserve banks and agents by a representative of the Treasury Department pursuant to an order or requisition issued by the Secretry of the Treasury under the provisions of Section 11(n) of the Federal Reserve .A.ct either with or without a tender of gold certificates in payment therefor. I understood la-. Baker to reply substantially as follows: In such event he would suggest that the Federal reserve bank8 and agents very carefully refrain from doing anything which might be construed as constituting a waiver of any legal rights which theY might have or as an adedssion of the legality of the 6ecretary of the ..reasury's demand or request or any action taken thereunder, but that the Federal reserve banks and the Federal reserve agents ah°111d yield possession of the gold under formal legal protest, rece4... .,-vIttc under formal protAt any gold certificates or other form of currenc ;i tendered and deliver to the representative of the Treasury DePartment a dignified written statement giving notice that the bank was. acting under erotest and with full reservation of its legal rights in the premises. Respectfully, alter General Counsel. 524 December 21, 1933 TO The Federal Reserve Board. The questions to be considered arise out of the desire of the Treasury of the United States to sucure title to the gold in the P"session of the Federal reserve banks in anticipation of a reduction the value of the gold dollar, so that the profit resulting will — becoum property of the Federal Government. The gold in question is in five categories: the Free gold in Possession of the Federal reserve banks, gold pledged with the l'ecieral Reserve Agents and in their possession, gold pledged with the Feder al Reserve Agents and deposited in the Treasury, the Gold Ileclemption Fund and the Gold Settlement Fund deposited in the Treasury IV the Federal Reserve Banks. In some instances this gold is in coin °r bUllimas and, in some, in the form of gold certificates. For eillIPlicity it is assumed that the President, in the exercise of the PITher ootferred upon him by paragraph (b)(2) of Section 43 of the Act 4PProved Ilay 12, 1933, (the Thomas Amendment) as amended by public Ilell°14ti°n approved June 5, 1933, is about to proclaim a less weight, ix €ltEti318 of gold, as "the standard unit of value" or dollar, and that the difference between the gold in such new standard and the gold in the existing dollar will constitute a profit to the holder. Clearly, ir t "0 gold now in the possession of the Federal reserve banks can be t rellsferred with title to the Government before the proposed change 525 0 the Federal Reserve Board 2 in standard is made, the profit will inure to the Government and if elleh Change is made while the possession and title to the gold is still in the hands of the Federal reserve banks the profit would accrue to the banks. It may be assumed that the profit in question, if permitted in the first instance to accrue to the banks, would be subject to the Power of Congress to be covered into the Treasury after due provision had been made to meet all the obligations of the Federal reserve banks, in view of the power reserved to Congress to abolish the Federal Reserve System and upon liquidation to reeeive for the benefit of the Gelrerflment all surplus remaining after the obligations of the banks to their depositors and stockholders were fully satisfied. If, therefore, it should be provided by an act of Congress that all or any part cif the prospective surplus should be paid over to the Treasury, the act 14°111d be valid and effective as to so much of said profit as would ill fact constitute a liquidated surplus above the obligations of the bulks. It is not, however, proposed now to seek legislation of this e°rt. but it is rather suggested that at the invitation of the Treasury the Federal reserve banks, acting upon the advice of the Federal Reserve Board, should voluntarily surrender their gold to the Treasury knd receive in exchange therefor gold certificates. The theory of this 4PPeara to be that the effect of this would be to vest in the Federal 526 .45 federal Reserve Board T0 t 3 Government title to the gold and replace it in the Federal reserve banks with eo-oalled gold certificates which could be redeemed by the Federal Government, after devaluation, by quantities of coin or bullion calculated into 11(1111.7elent dollars at the less content in grains of gold. Whether the Federal reserve banks should voluntarily comply with this r°quest or be advised so to comply by the Federal Reserve Board is the question to be considered. • Several important considerations must be remembered. The valid. itY of the so-called Thomas Amendment has never been judicially passed upon. 801115 of its features are open to grave doubt. It is possible to question the constitutional validity of the delegation by Congress of the powers ther (14:11 confided to the President. Only a future judicial determination 0044 the make certain that a new standard unit of value, when proclik114 A 5 bY the President, will be a valid standard. ' The powers and duties of the Federal Reserve Board and of the Peclartti reserve banks must also be held in mind. Reeerve With regard to the Federal Board, it is clear that it has no power to direct the Federal Ileaerve banks to enter into the proposed arrangement. The Federal Reserve 8:4114111414 created primarily to furnish an elastic and reliable currency. c3biect was directed to be attained by the creation of real as 4ietillguished from fiotitious or theoretical reserves and by expanding ecntrket 1216 the currenay to meet the needs of business. The System i44Qt charged with the operation of the Treasury of the United States (1:k413t thIlt it may be used as a fiscal agent, but the language of much of 527 To the Federal Reserve Board 4 the Act and the whole spirit of it plainly impose upon the Federal reserve banks, F:s trustees of important public interests, the duty of 8 4 u1ing the soundness of Federal Reserve currency and of the banking alratem of the United States which is subjected to a disciplinary control to 41, e extent at least that banks become members of the System by bec°ming s tockholders of Federal reserve banks. The Treasury and the Federal Reserve System, therefore, have eeParate responsibilities. While it is obviously expected that the tw° IltZencies will cooperate, within the limits of their powers, in the cl'estion and maintenance of a sound and harmonious financial system, the Federal Reserve System is nevertheless an independent agency exereieing its functions free from control by the Treasury and in response to it'll own obligations as they are stated by the law of their creation and theiv, -4 own boards of directors, acting under the responsibility of de termine to be consistent with the law and in furtherance of its PUrPose. The gold in the hands of the Federal Reserve System is there 14141' statutory requirement for specific purposes. The Federal Reserve selected by the Federal Reserve Board are the custodians of a ellbatEizItui Partt of this gold, but the limit of their powers and the 1141744e of their custody are definite. All of this gold is dedicated to 14414 cUltir objects and cannot lawfully be used for any other object. It seems clear that neither the Federal reserve banks nor the 528 froths Federal Reserve Board Federal 5 Reserve Agents have any right to prejudice the safety or "lvelicY Of any of the purposes for which gold is entrusted to them "ealing With the gold in any way or for any reason which, in. their JUd -116, does not further the object of the trust upon which they hold it. si -rice by the terms of the problem whichwe are considering the hese. 4 ' 84°n and title of this gold is sought as a means of transferring tot "'e Federal Government and from the banks an anticipated profit a„ -47 action taken in furtherance of that purpose is taken with edge of the proposed devaluation of the gold dollar, it in clear that twither the Federal reserve banks nor the Federal Reserve Agents hoe allY right, by voluntary agreement, to cooperate in the proposed U4dert ki a -4. They are trustees who must resolve all doubts in favor of their t 11.18t and who cannot be called upon to waive rights of their trust, 8 the tnaY hereafter be determined, by present acquiescence in a plan or - af fecting the property in the trust when their own action is 40t tated by a belief that the action proposed will benefit the trust. 1 arils therApore, — of the opinion that neither the Federal reserve banks he Federal Reserve Agents should voluntarily cooperate in the pro- 1+ .is This 1111der ellgtasted leaves other aspects of the problem of the greatest gravity. that representatives of the Treasury Department operating aUbsect4 4.c41 (n) of Section 11 of the Federal Reserve Act, bY8 as amended eotion. the Act of March 9, 1933, make a formal demand upon Federal Ve "ke and Federal Reserve Agents for the delivery of all gold coin, 4v 529 Toth geld 6 Federal Reserve Board bu1i0n and gold certificates owned by them, such action being Predicated upon the power of the President to fix the new standard alld the requirement that all other currency of the Government be mainat a parity with the standard so fixed. The power of the Seeretar.. y of the Treasury to make this demand is not wholly free from 4°tIbti and the effect of such a demand adversely made would manifestly be di sastrous* In the erection of the Federal Reserve System the C(3110. 313s manifested its intention not to rest the currency authorized to be . Issued by Federal reserve banks upon the credit of the GovernZett. " b ed The now well-established power of the Government to issue money solely upon the Government's credit was not resorted to, but Iltther a currency was created which rested upon values known to exist i4 gold , anu certain commodities as represented by eligible paper. These clbligations are, of course, the obligations of the United States when i"ued but the Federal reserve banks are entrusted with the custody of (lerialite proportions of gold and other values as an assured basis for the °bliZations. roaerve totes The people of the United States understand that Federal rest upon gold, in substantial part, for their redemption - and if it were suddenly to become known that all the gold in the /11448 of the Federal reserve banks had been taken over by the Government, then of an instantaneous and disastrous loss of confidence in the zrakt volume of Federal reserve currency outstanding is apparent. It 14 311°13ted that the Government would pay for the gold so taken from the Pod eral °serve banks and Agents in gold certificates, but it is a matter 530 To the Federal Reserve Board 7 or common knowledge that the holders of gold certificates cannot at Present have them redeemed in gold. It would, therefore, follow that 411 the gold had been taken and in its place gold certificates left which, though theoretically, are not practically redeemable in gold. This would 111694 that the Federal reserve notes issued would become an issue resting °111Y upon the credit of the Government, a thing which was not intended When they were authorized and does not seem to be intended by any of the tacre recent financial legislation. The orderly way to deal with the difficulties presented by this Bituation is obviously by an act of Congres s. Such an act would Pr°vide its own machinery for determining the extent to which any profit, PPIltslItlY accruing to the Federal reserve banks, could be treated as a " plus and covered into the public Treasur y. Such a course is free from 4frieultY in view of the fact that all the gold in the country is now either 14 the possession of the Government or in the possession of the Peder Reserve System and there subject to Congressional action. As ' c ese is about to meet, no apparent embarrassment from lose of time would hoe A. 1.0 be encountered. It is, however, suggested that there is necessity tor e 4r1Y Presidential action fixing the new standard before Congress assembl se and that those who are advising the Treasur hesitate y to have the 4" etandard fixed until the gold held by the Federal Reserve System is riret 4.4 the Treasury. be di r sPfted °r the As a consequence, it may be that the Treasury will to insist upon making demand upon the Federal Reserve banks immediate surrender of the gold in their possession, and the 531 To the Federal Reserve Board 8 Practical question arises as to what should be done by the Federal reserve banks and Agents in the event of such demand. Ae I have above indicated, I do not believe the Federal Neerve banks or Agents have a right voluntarily to comply with such 41341411d or to take any action which waives any rights they have with tsgard to the gold they now hold. On the other hand, the consequences f Public contention and controversy as between the Treasury of the Ullited States and the Federal Reserve System must be avoided, if possible, Both the Treasury and the Federal Reserve System are aware of the fact that the tilses are unusually perilous and that such controversy might in itself be „ qlsastrous as any conceivable solution of the question of rights 14"lved. I, therefore, venture to suggest that if the Treasury makes a 46111641d under subsection (n) of Section 11 of the Act, the Federal reserve elld Agents should hand to the. Treasury Department, or its Demand Agent, 114 /+4 4 11- -"ng, a formal protest against the action proposed to be taken, so froled as to preserve and not waive any rights the Federal reserve banks nt8 444 A8e have with respect to the gold in question. I can see no reaso 4 11/1Y the Treasury under such circumstances may not tender gold certificates and rely upon the demand and tender to effect any change of title to the gold which the Treasury may ultimately be held to have had ri L 4t to enforce. if Such a course would obviate any such controversy, and ah.. "tion the Treasury can take either under the sections already cited Or EillY other section of the applicable law is effective to transfer to it the title to this gold, it will have been transferred and the rights of the 14easury with regard to it fully protected. Newton D. Baker.