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Minutes for

To:

Members of the Board

From:

Office of the Secretary

April 2

1965

Attached is a copy of the minutes of the
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System on
the above date.
It is not proposed to include a statement
with respect to any of the entries in this set of
minutes in the record of policy actions required to
be maintained pursuant to section 10 of the Federal
Reserve Act.
Should you have any question with regard to
the minutes, it will be appreciated if you will advise
the Secretary's Office. Otherwise, please initial
below. If you were present at the meeting, your
initials will indicate approval of the minutes. If
you were not present, your initials will indicate
only that you have seen the minutes.

Chm. Martin
Gov. Robertson
Gov. Balderston
Gov. Shepardson
Gov. Mitchell
Gov. Daane

Minutes of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
System on Friday, April 2, 1965.

The Board met in the Board Room

at 10:00 a.m.
PRESENT:

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Balderston, Vice Chairman
Robertson
Shepardson
Mitchell
Daane
Mr. Sherman, Secretary
Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary
Mr. Young, Adviser to the Board and Director,
Division of International Finance
Mr. Cardon, Legislative Counsel
Mr. Fauver, Assistant to the Board
Mr. Holland, Associate Director, Division of
Research and Statistics
Mr. Koch, Associate Director, Division of
Research and Statistics
Mr. Partee, Adviser, Division of Research
and Statistics
Mr. Hersey, Adviser, Division of International
Finance
Mr. Katz, Adviser, Division of International
Finance
Mr. Sammons, Adviser, Division of International
Finance
Mr. Axilrod, Chief, Government Finance Section,
Division of Research and Statistics
Mr. Eckert, Chief, Banking Section, Division of
Research and Statistics
Mr. Keir, Chief, Capital Markets Section,
Division of Research and Statistics
Mr. Dahl, Chief, Special Studies and Operations
Section, Division of International Finance
Mr. Morgan, Staff Assistant, Board Members'
Offices
Mr. Furth, Consultant

Money market review.

Mr. Axilrod commented on developments in

the Government securities market, following which Mr. Dahl reviewed
foreign exchange market and related developments.

Materials distributed

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in connection with this presentation included tables affording perspective on the money market and on bank reserve utilization.
Following a general discussion of the money market, bank reserves,
and aspects of the international financial situation, all members of the
staff who had been present except Messrs. Sherman, Kenyon, and Fauver
withdrew from the meeting and the following entered the room:
Farrell, Director, Division of Bank Operations
Hooff, Assistant General Counsel
Kiley, Assistant Director, Division of Bank Operations
Leavitt, Assistant Director, Division of Examinations
Smith, Assistant Director, Division of Examinations
Sprecher, Assistant Director, Division of Personnel
Administration
Mr. Egertson, Supervisory Review Examiner, Division of
Examinations
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Discount rates.

The establishment without change by the Federal

Reserve Banks of New York, Philadelphia, Kansas City, and San Francisco
on April 1, 1965, of the rates on discounts and advances in their existing
schedules was approved unanimously, with the understanding that appropriate
advice would be sent to those Banks.
Circulated or distributed items.

The following items, copies

of which are attached to these minutes under the respective item numbers
indicated, were approved unanimously:
Item No.
Letter to Girard Trust Bank, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
approving the establishment of a branch in the Blue Bell
Shopping Center, Grovers Avenue at 70th Street.

1

Letter to The Colonial Bank and Trust Company, Waterbury,
Connecticut, approving the establishment of a branch in the
Watertown Plaza Shopping Center, Watertown.

2

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Letter to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis regarding
a question with respect to the rate of interest on loans
by a member bank secured by time deposits in such bank.
(With the understanding that the substance of the letter
would be published in the Federal Register and the Federal
Reserve Bulletin.)

3

With respect to Item No. 2, it was agreed that there would be
included in the letter to Colonial Bank and Trust Company approving
the branch in Watertown a reference to the capital position of the bank.
The approved letter reflects this understanding.
Hearings on bank supervisory legislation.

It was noted that

the Board had been invited to testify on Monday, April 12, before a
Subcommittee of the House Banking and Currency Committee with respect
to bills introduced by Congressmen Patman and Multer that would, in
different ways, reallocate responsibility for bank supervision at the
Federal Government level.

It was understood that the Board would plan

to have a discussion on Tuesday, April 6, for the purpose of determining
whether it would be feasible to express a Board position at the hearing
or whether the views of individual members of the Board should be
presented.
The meeting then adjourned.
Secretary's Note: Governor Shepardson
today approved on behalf of the Board
memoranda recommending the following
actions relating to the Board's staff:

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Appointments
Charles K. Harley as Summer Research Assistant, Division of
International Finance, with basic annual salary at the rate of
$5,165, effective the date of entrance upon duty.
William D. Wheat as Supply Clerk, Division of Administrative
Services, with basic annual salary at the rate of $4,005, effective
the date of entrance upon duty.
Salary increase
Roger M. Painter, Chauffeur (Station Wagon), Division of Administrative Services, from $4,971 to $5,013 per annum, with a change in
title to Chauffeur, effective April 2, 1965.
Extension of working hours
Cornelia J. Motheral, Economist, Division of Research and Statistics, from a 4-hour day to a 5-hour day (with annual salary at the
rate of $5,591), effective April 5, 1965.
Acceptance of resignation
Phyllis G. Meadows, Stenographer, Division of Administrative
Services, effective April 11, 1965.

Secretary

Item No. 1
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BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON, O. C. 20551
ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

April 2, 1965.

Board of Directors,
Girard Trust Bank,
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Gentlemen:
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
System approves the establishment by Girard Trust Bank,
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, of a branch in the Blue Bell
Shopping Center, Grovers Avenue at 70th Street, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania, provided the branch is established within six
months from the date of this letter.
Very truly yours,
(Signed) Karl E. Bakke
Karl E. Bakke,
Assistant Secretary.
(The letter to the Reserve Bank stated that the
Board also had approved a six-month extension
of the period allowed to establish the branch;
and that if an extension should be requested,
the procedure prescribed in the Board's letter
of November 9, 1962 (S-1846), should be followed.)

BOARD OF GOVERNORS
OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON 25, D. C.

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Item No. 2
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ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

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April 2, 1965.

Board of Directors,
The Colonial Bank and Trust Company,
Waterbury, Connecticut.
Gentlemen:
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
s the establishment by The Colonial Bank
approve
System
, Waterbury, Connecticut, of a branch
Company
and Trust
Shopping Center, Watertown,
Plaza
n
in the Watertow
branch is established within
the
provided
Connecticut,
this letter.
of
date
the
one year from
The Board approved this branch despite a
capital positidn somewhat below desirable levels. The
Board urges that serious consideration be given to
strengthening the bank's capital structure.
Very truly yours,

(Signed) Karl E. Bakke

Karl E. Bakke,
Assistant Secretary.
(The letter to the Reserve Bank stated that the
Board also had approved a six-month extension
of the period allowed to establish the branch;
and that if an extension should be requested,
the procedure prescribed in the Board's letter
of November 9, 1962 (S-1846), should be followed.)

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BOARD OF GOVERNORS

Item No. 3
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OF THE

FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
WASHINGTON, D. C. 20551
ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE
TO THE BOARD

April 2, 1965.

Mr. Orville 0. Wyrick, Vice President,
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis,
P. O. Box 442,
St. Louis, Missouri. 63166
Dear Mr. Wyrick:
This refers to your letter of March 23, 1965,
forwarding a question raised by the Kentucky Bankers Association
with respect to loans by a member bank secured by time deposits
in such bank. It is stated that many banks in Kentucky are now
paying interest on time deposits at the maximum rate of 4-1/2 per
cent, and the legal rate of interest in Kentucky for ordinary bank
loans is fixed by statute at 6 per cent. The specific question is
whether the bank, may make the loan as section 217.4(e) of Regulation Q requires a member bank to charge a rate of interest not less
than 2 per cent in excess of the rate of interest paid on its time
deposit when such deposit is used as security for a loan.
As you know, section 19 of the Federal Reserve Act
prohibits member banks from paying any time deposit before its
maturity, except upon such conditions and in accordance with such
rules and regulations as may be prescribed by the Board. The
above-mentioned provision of Regulation Q is Intended to implement
the law and prevent evasion thereof. The specified 2 per cent
penalty is designed to discourage loans on time deposits that
would, in effect, enable the depositor to obtain his funds before
maturity. For this reason, retention of the 2 per cent differential seems desirable.
Since banks in Kentucky are prohibited from charging
more than 6 per cent on loans, a member bank in that State that
pays 4-1/2 per cent on a time deposit may not make a loan on such
deposit without violating Regulation Q. However, there is nothing
to prevent a bank and its customer from agreeing to the payment of
a lesser rate of interest on the deposit while a loan on the deposit
is outstanding. Therefore, by agreement, the rate of interest paid
on the deposit could be reduced to 4 per cent during the period of

BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

Mr. Orville 0. Wyrick

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the loan, with interest on the loan fixed at 6 per cent. This
would not be a circumvention of the Regulation as the customer
would still be paying 2 per cent more interest on the loan than
he would receive on the deposit. The rate of interest that the
bank could pay on the deposit before and after the loan would not
be affected.
Very truly yours,
(Signed) Merritt Sherman
Merritt Sherman,
Secretary.