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MEMORANDUM OF DISCUSSION

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held
in the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
System in Washington, D. C. on Tuesday, November 19, 1974, at
9:30 a.m.
PRESENT:

Burns, Chairman
Hayes, Vice Chairman
Black
Bucher
Clay
Coldwell
Holland
Kimbrel
Mitchell
Sheehan
Wallich
Mr. Winn

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Messrs. MacLaury, Mayo, and Morris, Alternate
Members of the Federal Open Market Committee
Messrs. Balles, Eastburn, and Francis, Presidents
of the Federal Reserve Banks of San Francisco,
Philadelphia, and St. Louis, respectively
Mr. Broida, Secretary
Mr. Altmann, Deputy Secretary
Mr. Bernard, Assistant Secretary
Mr. O'Connell, General Counsel
Mr. Guy, Deputy General Counsel
Mr. Partee, Senior Economist
Mr. Axilrod, Economist (Domestic Finance)
Messrs. Brandt, Doll, Hocter, Parthemos,
and Reynolds, Associate Economists

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Mr. Holmes, Manager, System Open Market
Account
Mr. Coombs, Special Manager, System Open
Market Account
Mr. Coyne, Assistant to the Board of
Governors
Mr. Wonnacott, Associate Director,
Division of International Finance,
Board of Governors
Mr. Keir, Adviser, Division of Research and
Statistics, Board of Governors
Miss Pruitt, Economist, Open Market
Secretariat, Board of Governors
Mrs. Ferrell, Open Market Secretariat
Assistant, Board of Governors
Mr. Plant, First Vice President, Federal
Reserve Bank of Dallas
Messrs. Eisenmenger, Boehne,and Scheld,
Senior Vice Presidents, Federal Reserve
Banks of Boston, Philadelphia, and
Chicago, respectively
Mr. Garvy, Vice President and Senior Adviser,
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Messrs. Jordan and Green, Vice Presidents,
Federal Reserve Banks of St. Louis and
Dallas, respectively
Mr. Kareken, Economic Adviser, Federal Reserve
Bank of Minneapolis
Mr. Keran, Director of Research, Federal
Reserve Bank of San Francisco
Mr. Cooper, Assistant Vice President, Federal
Reserve Bank of New York
Chairman Burns observed that there would be a luncheon today
for George Garvy, who was retiring shortly from the Federal

Reserve

Bank of New York, and that dedication ceremonies would be held in
mid-afternoon for the Board's new building, named for former

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Chairman William McChesney Martin, Jr.

Depending on when the

Committee completed its deliberations, it might be necessary to
recess the meeting at one or both points and reconvene afterwards.
Chairman Burns noted that he would not be able to be
present at the luncheon for Mr. Garvy and would accordingly say
a few words about him now.

The Chairman then spoke of his long

standing personal association with Mr. Garvy, originally as a
teacher and subsequently as a friend and colleague, and of
Mr. Garvy's many professional contributions.
By unanimous vote, the action
by Committee members on November 11,
1974, increasing from $500 million to
$1 billion the limit (specified in
paragraph 1(b) of the Authorization
for Domestic Open Market Operations)
on holdings of bankers' acceptances
by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
pending further review at the next FOMC
meeting, was ratified.
Mr. Holmes said he would recommend retention of the $1
billion limit on holdings of bankers' acceptances, for two reasons.
First, the reaction in the acceptance market to the cessation of
System guarantees of acceptances purchased for foreign official
accounts had not yet run its course.

A fair amount of System

buying--consistent, of course, with reserve needs--could be most
helpful in maintaining orderly conditions in that market during

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the transition period.

Secondly, the higher $1 billion limit

would fit in well with longer-term needs to supply reserves,
affording the System a more diversified approach and guarding
against the possibility of a recurrence of a shortage of Treasury
issues such as occurred last summer.
Mr. Holmes added that if the Committee agreed to retain
the

$1 billion limit it would be desirable to issue an announce

ment of the action within a few days.
It was agreed that the $1
billion limit on holdings of
bankers' acceptances should be
retained.
By unanimous vote, the
minutes of actions taken at
the meeting of the Federal
Open Market Committee held
on October 15, 1974, were
approved.
The memorandum of discussion
for the meeting of the Federal
Open Market Committee held on
October 15, 1974, was accepted.
Before this meeting there had been distributed to the
members of the Committee a report from the Special Manager of the
System Open Market Account on foreign exchange market conditions
and on Open Market Account and Treasury operations in foreign

currencies for the period October 15 through November 13, 1974,

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and a supplemental report covering the period November 14 through
18, 1974.

Copies of these reports have been placed in the files

of the Committee.
In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Coombs

made the following statement:
Since the last meeting of the Committee we have
seen a progressive deterioration of sentiment in
the exchange markets and the emergence of thoroughly
disorderly conditions. Two factors noted at the
last meeting have continued to depress the dollar.
First, European interest rates have been lagging
behind declining rates here, and so tending to
attract interest-sensitive funds. Second, there
have been further indications of diversification
of Arab oil money, in part, I think, reflecting
the new war fears in the Middle East. So far as
we can tell, the other oil producers--Venezuela,
Indonesia,and Nigeria--still seem to be sticking
with the dollar.
As the dollar rate kept sliding during the
period, despite intermittent intervention by the
Federal Reserve, the Germans, the Dutch, and the
Belgians, market traders finally got tired of tak
ing losses on uncovered dollar positions and so
selling pressure on the dollar intensified. We
have seen this phenomenon three or four times over
the past year or so; as a floating rate begins to
sink, it tends to keep moving down on its own with
no automatic corrective appearing until the rate
finally has moved far out of line with underlying
balance of payments considerations.
In this already badly troubled market situa
tion, Swiss and German officials made public state
ments which worsened conditions immeasurably. You
will recall that last May I negotiated with the
Swiss National Bank as well as the German Federal
Bank a plan for concerted intervention, with the
Swiss agreeing to buy dollars on an ad hoc basis

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if the rate got down to about 2.80 on the Swiss franc.
This intervention plan was leaked out, with the result
that the dollar rebounded and no intervention was
needed. In recent weeks the dollar has been moving
steadily down toward the intervention point of 2.80
that was agreed upon last May. Unfortunately, in a
press conference at the Swiss National Bank about
two weeks ago, some serious misunderstandings emerged
regarding the Bank's intentions; the press was left
with the impression, which was probably not intended,
that the Bank would not intervene. As a consequence
of the resulting news stories, the Swiss franc imme
diately moved up very sharply, dragging other European
currencies behind it. Over the next few days a variety
of conflicting press reports left the market totally
confused as to whether or not the Swiss were going to
intervene, but with some hope that a new agreement on
concerted intervention would be patched together by
the time of the BIS meeting on the following Monday.
In talking with the press after that BIS meeting,
the President of the Swiss National Bank did, in fact,
indicate that the Swiss National Bank would intervene
to correct disorderly conditions, and the dollar then
began to recover. Unfortunately, however, this
recovery was rudely interrupted last Thursday, as
Chancellor Schmidt of Germany suddenly weighed in
with a statement that he didn't mind seeing the mark
go up because that would help relieve inflationary
pressure in Germany. This statement overlooked, of
course, the other side of the coin, which was that
a declining dollar rate would intensify inflation
here. In any event, the mark was very strongly bid
up in increasingly disorderly trading. We intervened
in New York until noon last Thursday, at which point
the Chairman indicated to us that we should suspend
further intervention until the Germans provided some
clarification of Chancellor Schmidt's remarks. So we
stayed out of the market on Thursday afternoon and
last Friday while the dollar was hit by further suc
cessive waves of speculation.
Yesterday morning a spokesman for the German
Government finally made it clear that Chancellor
Schmidt had no intention of revaluing the mark or

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of taking any positive action to drive up the mark
rate, but that the Germans naturally were interested
in getting their imports as cheaply as possible, and
so had no objection to the recent strengthening of
the mark rate. On the basis of this statement, there
were a number of telephone conversations yesterday
back and forth between Federal Reserve, German, Swiss,
Dutch, and Belgian officials, and around noon we moved
into the market with sizable offers of each of the
four currencies. The dollar immediately moved up from
the exaggerated lows it had reached, closing the day
with a gain of roughly 1 per cent. Our intervention
came to approximately $75 million equivalent, of which
$67.6 million was financed by drawings on the German,
Dutch, and Belgian swap lines. The remaining $8.7
million was done in Swiss francs as agent for the Swiss
National Bank, which had given us an order for as much
as $25 million.
In Europe this morning the dollar held around
last night's closing levels, supported by interven
tion totaling $100 million by the Germans, Dutch, and
Belgians. For the first time since January 1973, the
Swiss National Bank is now also intervening to support
the dollar, in secret operations through the BIS. My
guess is that the secrecy won't last too long, and
that when the news comes out it will have a positive
psychological effect. The Swiss National Bank has
today provided us also with a small amount of Swiss
francs to offer in New York. We put in offers again
of these four currencies in the New York market at
9 a.m. this morning, and small amounts were taken.
The market then backed away and at 9:30 the dollar
had moved up by roughly 1/2 per cent over opening
rates. We are hopeful that the disorderly aspects
of the situation are being corrected, although the
I think we
situation is still very fragile indeed.
have made a positive gain in that the Swiss finally
decided to break with their previous policy of
absolutely no intervention. That change of policy
by the Swiss National Bank has the fervent support
of all of its European counterparts.
I would like to mention two other matters of
interest. First, the Bank of Mexico has repaid

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before the first maturity the entire $180 million it
drew on the swap line in late August. Secondly, I was
informed at the last BIS meeting by an official of
the Belgian National Bank that his Government will
not accept the U.S. Treasury's proposal for a 50-50
sharing of losses on repayment of the Belgian franc
swap debt outstanding since 1971. This, I think,
should now open the way for new negotiations with
the Treasury to make a decided move to clean up
that swap debt.
In response to a question by Mr. Winn, Mr. Coombs said
Italy's external situation did not look good.

The Italians

were continuing to lose $700 million per month in exchange
market intervention, and they had now used a substantial part of
the $2 billion they had borrowed from the Germans.

It was partic

ularly disturbing that Swiss commercial bankers were now openly
indicating that they had run off sizable amounts of short-term
credits to Italy.

The danger, of course, was that other banks

would follow suit, and that the Italian problem of financing cur
rent requirements would be aggravated by the need to secure new
official financing to replace previous commercial financing.
Italian situation was acutely dangerous.

The

The same was true of the

British situation and might soon be true of the French.
Mr. Hayes said he had received the impression from one
Swiss banker that the latter's decision to back away from an
unsecured Italian loan was based in part on the very fact that
Germany had extended official credits to Italy on a secured basis.

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Chairman Burns remarked that that seemed to be another
instance of the common situation in which government credit became
a substitute for private credit.

In the present case, however, it

was not clear how much government credit would be available for
the purpose or

how.soon.

In reply to questions by Mr. Coldwell, Mr. Coombs said
the Italians, both official and private, had found it difficult
to raise new funds on the private market for some time.

With

respect to outstanding credits, the interbank loans generally had
no security behind them, although some commercial bankers had sug
gested that they might try
basis.

to shift current loans to a collateralized

Borrowings abroad by nationalized industries, of which there

was a fair amount outstanding, carried a government guarantee.
Mr. Coldwell referred to Mr. Coombs' comment that the Bank
of Mexico had repaid its swap drawing on the System before maturity.
He asked whether that reflected a change in the Mexican situation,
or whether the need the Mexican authorities had anticipated when
they made the drawing did not eventuate.
In reply, Mr. Coombs expressed the view that the Mexicans
had had a real need for the funds and that the drawing had been
worthwhile.

As a matter of fact, the Bank of Mexico had repaid

the drawing in part by borrowing on other credit lines.

However,

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he understood that there had been a marginal improvement in Mexico's
current position and a considerable improvement in its outlook
for the next 6 to 12 months.
By unanimous vote, the System
open market transactions in foreign
currencies during the period October 15
through November 18, 1974, were approved,
ratified, and confirmed.
Mr. Coombs noted that all of the System's standby swap
arrangements would reach the end of their present terms in the
period from December 3 through December 31, 1974.

He recommended

that the arrangements be renewed for further periods of up to
one year if agreeable to the other parties.
In reply to a question by Chairman Burns, Mr. Coombs
observed that in recent years the swap arrangements customarily
had one-year terms, although occasionally one of the System's
swap partners would suggest renewal for a shorter period.

Last

December, for example, the Belgians nad indicated that they pre
ferred to renew the swap line for only 3 months.
was reached

When that maturity

in March, they agreed to a 9-month renewal; accordingly,

the Belgian line would now mature in December, along with the
others.

He was not sure he understood why they had initially pre

ferred the shorter maturity.

Although he would not rule out the

possibility that some central bank might now suggest a maturity

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of less than a full year, he had received no indications thus far
that

any intended to do so.

In general, the Belgians and the

System's other swap partners seemed anxious to have the swap lines
available for use in intervention;

they evidently believed that

at the moment the swap network provided the only available support
to the international financial system.
Mr. Holland asked whether any of the System's swap partners
had proposed modifications in the terms of the swap lines.
Mr. Coombs replied that the only such proposal had come
from the Swiss, who had suggested that the System's Swiss franc
arrangement with the Swiss

National Bank include provisions for

a 50-50 sharing of profits and losses on System drawings, like the
provision now in place in the arrangements with the Germans,
Belgians, and Dutch.

He planned to comment on that suggestion

in connection with his second recommendation.
By unanimous vote, the Committee
approved the renewal for further periods
of up to one year of the following swap
arrangements, having the indicated
amounts and maturity dates:

Foreign bank
Austrian National Bank
National Bank of Belgium
Bank of Canada

Amount of
arrangement
(millions of
dollars
equivalent)
250
1,000
2,000

Term
(months)
12
9
12

Maturity date
December 3, 1974
December 20, 1974
December 27, 1974

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Foreign bank

Amount of
arrangement
(millions of
dollars
equivalent)

National Bank of Denmark
250
Bank of England
3,000
Bank of France
2,000
German Federal Bank
2,000
Bank of Italy
3,000
Bank of Japan
2,000
Bank of Mexico
180
Netherlands Bank
500
Bank of Norway
250
Bank of Sweden
300
Swiss National Bank
1,400
Bank for International Settlements:
Dollars against
Swiss francs
600
Dollars against other
authorized European
currencies
1,250

Term
(months)

Maturity date

12
12
12
12
12
12
12
12
12
12
12

December
December
December
December
December
December
December
December
December
December
December

12

December

3, 1974

12

December

3, 1974

27,
3,
27,
27,
31,
3,
3,
27,
3,
3,
3,

1974
1974
1974
1974
1974
1974
1974
1974
1974
1974
1974

Mr. Coombs observed that the Swiss had made their suggestion
for a 50-50 profit and loss sharing provision yesterday, in the
course of a conversation he had held with them on the question of
whether the Swiss National Bank planned to intervene to buy dollars
outright.

They expressed the view that it would be helpful if, at

some point soon, the System made a small drawing of Swiss francs and
used the proceeds for intervention in New York, with profits and
losses to be equally shared.

Personally, he thought such operations

would be worthwhile so long as they were kept to relatively small
amounts--like those that had been conducted in Belgian francs and
Dutch guilders--and were confined to the New York market.

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In response to a question by Mr. Holland, Mr. Coombs
noted that the alternative to the proposed procedure, which the
Swiss were now pursuing, was for them to buy dollars outright in
their own market,

bearing the full risk of loss.

in effect, was to put the Swiss in a

The proposal,

position like that of the

Germans, Belgians, and Dutch, who intervened to buy dollars out
right in their own markets but also asked the System to help a
little by drawing their currencies and intervening in New York
on a risk-sharing basis.

He thought there was no chance that the

question would arise of risk-sharing on drawings

by the Swiss

National Bank, since he did not anticipate that the Bank would
be borrowing from the System any time soon.
The Chairman asked whether there were any objections to
including a provision for 50-50 sharing of profits and losses in
the System's Swiss franc swap line, and none was heard.
Mr. Wallich said he would like to take this opportunity to
comment briefly on the subject of exchange rates.

He agreed that

it was appropriate for central banks to act to preserve orderly
conditions in exchange markets.

He believed, however, that in

the long run there was no way to keep the value of a currency
from rising if, as in the case of Germany at present, the issuing
country could maintain a large trade surplus despite heavy oil
imports.

He also believed that efforts to keep the value of such a

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currency from rising, whether by persuasion or intervention, would do
serious injury to other countries that were incurring deficits.
He thought Chancellor Schmidt was quite right in his judgment that
the mark should appreciate.

With the rate of inflation in Germany at

about 7 per cent, well below that in the United States--where it was
roughly 12 per cent--and below that in other industrial countries, the
German trade surplus would be reduced in the long run only if the
mark was allowed to appreciate, unless Germany inflated internally
or permitted domestic economic activity to expand sharply.
Mr. Coombs expressed the view that that line of reasoning
focused too narrowly on the German trade surplus and neglected the
fact that Germany now had enormous invisible deficits--arising from
tourism, payments to imported labor, and a variety of other factorsand had experienced enormous swings on capital account, including large
outflows after the Bank Herstatt failure.

In his judgment the recent

behavior of Germany's over-all balance of payments hardly suggested
the need for revaluation of the mark, or even moderate appreciation.
From August through October, the Germans had found it necessary to
borrow well over

$1billion from their partners in the European

"snake," and their intervention in the dollar exchange markets in
recent months had not involved heavy net purchases of dollars.
short, he did not think the evidence

In

supported the argument that

the mark should be allowed to appreciate.

He suspected that recent

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comments

by German officials that appreciation would help in the

battle against inflation were offered in response to arguments by
German exporters that the mark should be permitted to depreciate further.
Mr. Wallich asked whether Mr. Coombs would not agree that
Germany had a very large current account surplus which had been off
set during the past year or so by capital outflows--in other words,
that the underlying situation was one of great strength.
Mr. Coombs said it was not at all clear that that situation
would persist.

During the past year or so the Germans had bene

fited--more, perhaps, than any other country--from the current phase
of exaggerated expansion and inflation; in such circumstances, a
revaluation of the mark would simply strengthen Germany's position
still further.

If there should be a return to a more competitive

situation in world markets--as might happen if Italy and Britain,
two of the countries with which Germany had been scoring large trade
gains, should by one means or another reduce their imports--the posi
tion of Germany could change a great deal and that country could come
to regret the levels to which it had pushed the mark.

It was by no

means a foregone conclusion that the mark should be appreciating over
the next 6 or 12 months.
Mr. Hayes said he had heard private bankers express the
opinion that, in terms of fundamentals, the dollar was now probably
greatly undervalued against the Swiss franc and the German mark.

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Mr. Wallich said he found that opinion puzzling, and would
be interested in hearing the supporting arguments at some point.
Mr. Coombs commented that a traveler might well reach that
view simply on the basis of comparisons of prices, which were
extremely high in many European countries at present.
Mr. Holland remarked that he found it more difficult than
usual to

judge whether international conditions could be largely

neglected at this time in reaching decisions on monetary policy,
or whether the international

situation argued for shading policy in

one direction or the other from the posture that might seem best
on domestic grounds alone.

He, for one, would find it helpful to

hear the views of the staff's international experts on that question.
Chairman Burns indicated that he would ask for staff comments
on the question later in the meeting, when the Committee was ready
to deliberate on monetary policy.
Secretary's note: A report by Mr. Wallich on the
November Governors' meeting in Basle, which was
distributed to the members during this meeting,
is appended to this memorandum as Attachment A.
Chairman Burns then called for the staff report on the
domestic economic and financial situation, supplementing the written
reports that had been distributed prior to the meeting.

Copies of

the written reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

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Mr. Partee made the following statement:
Almost all of the business news of the past
month has been unfavorable. Orders, output, and
employment are declining in manufacturing; con
struction remains depressed; and consumer buying
in real terms continues quite sluggish, particularly
in automobiles and household durable goods. Weakness
is widely distributed geographically, judging from
the red book 1 / reports, and it appears to be spread
ing into a growing number of industries. Shortages
are reported to have virtually disappeared, and
more and more business firms are said to be con
cerned about excessive inventory buildups.
The immediate outlook for economic activity,
moreover, is deteriorating. Extraordinarily poor
sales thus far of 1975 model-year cars have caused
an abrupt and massive backup in inventories, neces
sitating industry-wide layoffs and plant closings.
Production curtailments and layoffs also are the rule
in appliances and television, construction materials,
and textiles. The duration of the coal strike is an
additional uncertainty at present. Some layoffs on
account of the strike have already occurred, but
there will be large curtailments in steel, railroads,
and other industries if it lasts much longer. Alto
gether, the prospects point clearly to a sharp reduc
tion in industrial production over the next few months.
Residential construction is another severe
problem area. Housing starts in October remained at

the 1.1 million unit level, but permit volume declined
somewhat further, to an annual rate of only 800,000
units. More important, the inventory of unsold hous
ing units remains very high, with merchant builder
stocks still at more than a 10-month supply, despite
some pickup in sales during September. Savings
inflows to institutional lenders have recently
begun to improve, and it may well be that the
supply of mortgage funds will now be in an expand
ing phase. But with a relatively large overhang of

1/ The report, "Current Economic Comment by District," prepared
for the Committee by the staff.

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unsold units and an increasing number of construction
projects apparently in financial difficulty, there
could be an unusual time-lag before the condition
of the industry permits any significant revival in
new starts activity.
In view of these substantial near-term weak
nesses, the staff GNP projection again lowers the

outlook for real economic activity over the period
from now to mid-1975. Most of the additional decline
in real GNP is concentrated in the current quarter,
partly because we have assumed a 4-week coal strike.
But it makes little difference to the projected level
of GNP if the strike is shorter than this. The effect
of a quicker settlement would be to moderate the
fourth-quarter cutback in steel and coal inventories,
but then to provide less support to the expected rate
of inventory investment early next year than we have
assumed in our projection.
The size of the projected decline in output is
now approaching normal recession proportions, even
without including the energy-related decline of the
first quarter of 1974. Thus, in the five quarters
through mid-1975, real GNP is expected to fall by
about 3-1/2 per cent and unemployment to rise by
close to 2 percentage points. But the distribution
of the projected weakness is somewhat unusual. It
is concentrated in consumption, residential construc
tion, and net exports, while capital spending and
inventory investment hold up better than has been
the case, on average, in other post-war recessions.
We will be looking more critically into these
projected relationships to see whether further adjust
ments are warranted, and we also plan to extend the
time horizon of our projection, in a chart presenta
tion at the December Committee meeting. As of now,
however, our projection incorporates capital spending
levels for 1975 only about 2 percentage points below
the results indicated by the McGraw-Hill survey. We
have done this on the basis of recent weakness in new
orders for capital goods and a growing list of cancel
lations and stretchouts of individual projects as
reported in the press. Also, we are projecting that
inventory investment will fall only to about a zero

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rate, rather than turning strongly negative, as
would probably occur if there is a general inven
tory liquidation.
Unless a major downturn in capital spending
develops and barring major shocks in financial
markets, there still appears to be a good prospect
of an economic upturn beginning some time in the
second half of next year. Housing activity should
be rising significantly by then, the round of inven
tory adjustments should be largely completed, real
personal incomes should be rising again as the over
all rate of price increase slows, and consumerswith their debt burdens reduced and their stocks of
durable goods aging--should be in a better mood to
buy. The size of the prospective upturn that these
sources of strength may bring, however, is still
very much an open question.
At present, we do not see the basis for a
sizable recovery, so that the unemployment rate
continues to drift upward in our projection, approach
ing 8 per cent by the end of the year. It should be
remembered, however, that our projection does not
assume any significant move to more stimulative public
policies. Monetary expansion remains moderate, as
indexed by an M1 growth of slightly less than 6
per cent, which implies that interest rates will
tend to rise abruptly as soon as nominal GNP growth
begins to quicken. And Federal outlays are assumed
to continue on a growth track characterized by fiscal
1975 outlays slightly below $300 billion, with no cut
in tax rates. We plan to reconsider these assumptions,
and to present alternative courses for monetary policy
also, in next month's chart show presentation. Mean
while, in considering its immediate policy stance, I
believe that the Committee should take as its economic
setting the probability that the business downturn
will be quickening, that unemployment will be rising
sharply, and that there will be increasing reports of
financial distress and bankruptcy. At the same time,
however, average wage rates and prices almost cer
tainly will continue to advance at an exceptionally
rapid pace.

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Mr. Black asked if the staff thought that the high rate
of failures among housing contractors would appreciably slow the
eventual upturn in housing activity.
Mr. Partee replied that it was customary for large numbers
of firms to move in and out of the housing industry in connection
with the sharp swings in activity characteristic of that industry.
What he found most disturbing in the current situation was that a
considerable number of very large builders were in serious finan
cial difficulty and might very well go bankrupt.

Furthermore,

many large uncompleted and unsold projects, especially condominiums,
were overhanging the market.

Although the problems with condominiums

were most serious in California, Texas, and Florida, they appeared
to be widespread; for example, he had heard reports of projects in
difficulty in New Jersey, Washington, D. C., and various resort
areas.
Mr. Partee observed that the financial difficulties of
contractors could slow the housing upturn in two ways.

First, it

was possible that the number of surviving contractors would not
be sufficient to develop new projects at the rate customary in a
recovery period.

Second, it was conceivable that a large number of

bankruptcies would make lenders reluctant to extend credit to con
tractors even if funds were available.

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Mr. Black asked if the recent improvement in the corporate
bond markets was likely to encourage corporations to revive capital
spending projects that had been postponed or canceled earlier,
when the bond markets were experiencing difficulties.
In response, Mr. Partee noted that there had been a
large volume of bond issues, particularly

by manufacturing firms,

during the past month and the forward calendar was also heavy.
However, it was his impression that that borrowing was more for
the purpose of restructuring balance sheets than for financing
further capital spending.

Although high interest rates had

certainly been a factor in many of the earlier postponements
of spending projects, those projects would not necessarily be
revived as interest rates declined because in the interim market
prospects had weakened.

A project which had previously appeared

likely to be profitable at an interest cost of, say, 9 per cent
might now, given current market prospects, appear unprofitable at
that interest cost.

In short, moderate declines in interest rates

probably would not have a marked effect on capital spending plans.
Mr. Mitchell noted that in a conversation yesterday a
senior official of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board had indicated
great pessimism about the outlook for housing construction.

The

official had expressed particular concern about the overhang of

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unsold houses; he believed that a reduction of that inventory was
a sine qua non for recovery in the housing industry.

He also thought

that it would be necessary for mortgage rates to fall below 8-1/2
per cent or for the economic climate to change considerably before
housing sales would turn up.
Chairman Burns observed that similar worries about the
capacity of the construction industry to revive had been expressed
in every previous housing recession.

While such worries might be

justified in the present instance, it was worth noting that the
recovery capacity of the industry had been consistently under
estimated in the past.
Mr. Partee said he agreed with the official

Ir. Mitchell

had quoted that a recovery in housing would depend on some decline
in mortgage rates--perhaps to 9 or 8-1/2 per cent--and, more
importantly, on the kind of change in the economic climate that
would be associated with an improvement in consumer attitudes.
On the whole, the views of the FHLBB official did not appear
sharply inconsistent with the staff's projection for housing.
He might note that that projection did not call for an upturn in
starts until the second quarter of 1975, and that the rate of increase
anticipated over the rest of that year--roughly 100,000 units per
quarter--would be slower than in any other postwar cycle.

Moreover,

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all of the increase was expected

to be in single-family homes;

no upturn in construction of apartments or condiminiums was
assumed.

The staff projection was near the low

end of the range

of the forecasts being discussed publicly by officials of the
housing and savings industries, but the latter might be leaning
toward optimism in an effort to improve market psychology.
Mr. Partee added that if housing starts did not turn up
by at least the moderate amount projected the consequences could be
devastating.

There would be no recovery in real GNP in the second

half of 1975--particularly if, as he anticipated, real spending on
plant and equipment was declining in that period.
Mr. Winn remarked that rent increases could improve the
economic environment for apartment builders.

With unemployment

at current levels, however, it might be difficult to raise rents.
Mr. Partee agreed.

He noted that actions to restrain

rent increases were being taken by many

local jurisdictions.

Increases of 25 per cent or more would be required to cover the
recent advances in apartment operating costs and capital values,
and it was highly unlikely that such increases could be obtained
in the current economic and political climate.
Mr. Coldwell asked for further detail regarding the
expected sources of downward pressure on the economy in 1975.

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in particular, he wondered about the extent to which the expected
weakness was related to the inventory cycle.
Mr. Partee replied that an anticipated decline in inventory
investment was one of the main sources of weakness in the staff
projection.

The rate of accumulation of nonfarm inventories was

expected to move down from the recent high of about $10 billion in
the second quarter of 1974 to about zero in the second quarter of
1975.

The other major element of weakness in the outlook was the

expectation of continued slackness in consumer spending.

Such

spending had now been weak for some time, and had worsened recentlya development that probably was not yet fully reflected in output
and employment figures.

Capital expenditures were projected to

level off in nominal terms, which implied some decline in real
terms.

While housing starts were expected to turn up in the second

quarter, the stability anticipated until then--at an annual rate of
about 1.1 million units--could be considered another element of
weakness.
Mr. Partee added that, while the staff projection did not
imply

a sharp further decline in

real GNP in 1975, the cumulation

of five successive quarterly declines--excluding the decline in the
first quarter of 1974, which reflected special factors--would result
in an aggregate reduction in real CNP of about the magnitude of

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that experienced in the 1953-54 and 1957-58 recessions.

The

reduction would be somewhat larger than that in other postwar
recessions.
Mr. Holland noted that in past contractions prices usually
had softened more than indicated in the staff projections.

He

had received the impression on recent trips around the country
that price cuts were already occurring or were in prospect in
housing, autos, appliances, and other lines.

He wondered whether

the staff projections reflected a different judgment or whether the
staff was simply waiting for more evidence on the point.
Mr. Partee replied that the staff had reduced the size of
the average price increases it projected for consumer nondurables
and durables to the minimum it judged consistent with expected
increases in unit labor costs.
squeeze in those industries.

That, of course, implied a profit
Furthermore, service prices were

rising rapidly in association with sharply rising costs, and it
appeared likely that food prices would remain high through next
summer.

Some softness was apparent in industrial prices; for

example, there had been a 20-point drop since April in the Federal
Reserve basic commodity price index.
for prices of services and- foods

However, given the outlook

and the expectation that unit

labor costs would be rising at a rate of 9 or 10 per cent, it was

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hard to envision prices rising much less than projected.

It was

conceivable that the rise in average prices would be slowed by
widespread distress or bankruptcy sales in an atmosphere of crisis.
That sort of atmosphere was unlikely to develop, however, unless
business activity was considerably weaker than implied by the
projection.
Mr. Kimbrel remarked that there had appeared to be a shift
recently in consumer buying patterns

toward lower grades of

merchandise and toward purchases in budget departments.

For

example, one large department store in Tennessee reported an
increase of 16 per cent in budget department sales, in contrast
to a 2 per cent rise in total sales.
staff thought

He wondered whether the

that shift was general and, if so, whether it had

been taken into account in the projections.
Mr. Partee replied that he also had heard reports from
economists at large department stores of a tendency for consumers
to favor lower-priced merchandise in such lines as furniture and
appliances.

While it appeared that sales of luxury goods also

were going rather well, on balance, it seemed

likely that ris

ing prices and declining real incomes would encourage consumers
to economize.

He might note that the staff projection called

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for a quite moderate volume of consumption expenditures,which
was consistent with recent reports of consumer attitudes.
Mr. Hayes said it seemed to him that greater efforts to
conserve gasoline were warranted, in view of the predictions of
difficulties

in the Middle East and possible disruption of oil

supplies in coming months.
inadequate;

The present voluntary system appeared

for example, the 55 m.p.h. speed limit was not being

generally observed.

It would be unfortunate if the nation found

itself in an emergency situation like that created by the oil
embargo of last winter without having made adequate preparations.
Mr. Partee replied that in terms of the broader issues,
there certainly was need for more effective conservation measures.
Oil imports were tremendously costly, and little had been done on
the international scene to cope with the problem.
the possibility of another embargo.

There was also

In terms of market economics,

however, the situation was one of surpluses of almost every type
of petroleum product.

Stocks of gasoline in some areas were so

large that price wars were occurring.
Chairman Burns observed that, under such circumstances, a
more effective conservation policy could have depressing effects
in the short run on various sectors of the economy.

Automobile

manufacturers, for example, were quite concerned about the

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consequences for them of a strong conservation policy.

He offered

that observation as a statement of fact, without implying any
views on policy.
Mr. Hayes remarked that the injury to the economy at the
time of a disruption of oil supplies would be greatly increased
if adequate preparations had not been made, and the Chairman
agreed.
Mr. Winn observed that the coal industry represented one
bright spot in the economic picture.

For example, the situation

in one formerly depressed coal town in Kentucky was reminiscent
of the gold rush.

Moreover, the high volume of coal exports was

likely to require considerable investment in port facilities and
railroad equipment.
Mr. Sheehan remarked that even a doubling in employment
at soft coal mines would have little impact on the over-all rate
of unemployment or level of economic activity.
The Chairman observed that a sizable increase in employ
ment at coal mines might have beneficial secondary and tertiary
effects on the economy.

He agreed, however, the over-all impact

would not be great since employment in coal mining was relatively
small.

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Mr. Partee noted that some of the benefits from the
improvement in the coal industry were evident in the October
McGraw-Hill survey of anticipated plant and equipment expendi
tures in 1975.

The survey reported plans for a 63 per cent

increase in mining

industry expenditures and a 29 per cent

increase by railroads.

In dollar volume terms, however, those

expenditures were not large.
Mr. Winn then asked whether the staff had given any thought
to the consequences for the domestic economy of possible major
international crises.
Mr. Partee responded in the negative.

In general, the

staff did not attempt to predict wars or financial collapses;
instead, it tried co take account of such developments when they
occurred.
Mr. Mayo asked whether Chairman
any observations on the outlook

Burns would care to make

for fiscal policy.

In reply, the Chairman said the fiscal outlook was
deteriorating.

It was likely that Federal spending in fiscal

1975 would significantly exceed the President's

$300 billion

budget, and a large budget deficit was in prospect for fiscal
1976, even excluding possible new programs.

There were several

new projects which could prove very costly if enacted by Congress,

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including a national health insurance plan; a new welfare program
which might take the form of a guaranteed annual wage; and the
fund for inter-country lending, recently mentioned by Secretary
of State Kissinger and Treasury Secretary Simon, which might involve
Moreover, the chances for enactment of

a sizable budgetary outlay.

the tax surcharge recommended earlier by the President now appeared
quite poor; indeed, it was possible that Congress would legislate
some modest tax reductions in the current session and perhaps
larger reductions next year.
about the fiscal outlook.

Therefore, he was not optimistic

He added that he was not addressing

himself at this point to the question of the appropriateness of a
large budget deficit in the present economic situation.
Mr. Balles remarked that, in his judgment, a failure to
foresee the rate of inflation that had developed abroad was the
major reason for the consistent underestimation of the domestic
rate of inflation in recent staff projections.

It seemed to him

that the main cause of the world-wide inflation was the near-doubling
of the world money supply that had occurred between 1970 and 1973,
although the situation had been exacerbated
and

by the crises in oil

food supplies.
It was true that foreign trade represented less than

10 per cent of U.S. GNP, Mr. Balles continued.

However, the

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San Francisco Bank staff estimated that

15 to 20 per cent of GNP

was accounted for by products that, while not necessarily traded
in international markets, were subject to price pressures from
abroad.

Until there was a reduction in the rate of inflation

in other nations, there was likely to be strong upward pressure
on domestic prices in spite of the weakness in U.S. economic
activity.

In that connection, he would be interested in staff

views on the outlook for prices in other countries.
Mr. Reynolds replied that the staff expected only a gradual
slowing in the rate of inflation abroad, in spite of announced
anti-inflationary programs

by various nations.

Most of the

participants in the recent OECD short-term forecasters' meeting
had similar expectations.
in prices to continue at

Forecasters generally expected the rise
an annual rate of over 10 per cent through

1975 in European countries other than Germany, where the rise had
been held to a 7 per cent rate.

A high rate of price advance also

was anticipated for Japan.
Mr. Reynolds went on to say he agreed that inflationary
developments abroad and in the U.S. had been reinforcing each
other.

The problems were stubborn and worldwide, and this year

they had been greatly exacerbated by disappointing crops.

One

could only hope that crop conditions would be more normal in 1975.

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Mr. Partee observed that the magnitude of the problem in
Japan was reflected by some comments made by a Japanese economist
in a recent conversation.

The economist, who was chairman of a

Japanese governmental commission on wages and prices, had remarked
that his government hoped to reduce the year-over-year rate of
increase in consumer prices to 15 per cent by March 1975, with the
expectation that that would help to reduce the annual rate of wage
increases to not more than 20 per cent.

A 20 per cent rate of wage

advance would be a considerable improvement;

this year the rate was

32 per cent.
Before this meeting there had been distributed to the
members of the Committee a report from the Manager of System Open
Market Account covering domestic open market operations for the
period October 15 through November 13,

1974, and a supplemental

report covering the period November 14 through 18, 1974.

Copies

of both reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.
In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Holmes
made the following statement:
During the period since the Committee last met,
open market operations were somewhat less restrictive
with respect to the provision of nonborrowed reserves.
In line with the Chairman's recommendation of
October 31, a Federal funds rate of 9-1/2 per cent
was sought after that date. Despite a heavy schedule
of Treasury financing and an unusually large corporate

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calendar, interest rates declined in all maturity
areas, as further indications of a weakening economy
confirmed market expectations of a continuing decline
in rates.
The Treasury's November refunding was highly
successful, with prices of coupon issues rising
steadily throughout the financing. Dealers were
heavy participants in the refunding, and they have
been making good progress in distributing the three
new issues offered by the Treasury to final inves
tors. The Board's recent action with respect to
reserve requirements strengthened the general feel
ing that interest rates were on the decline, and
long-term investors appeared anxious to step in at
In yesterday's regular Treasury
prevailing yields.
bill auction, an average rate of just over 7-1/2
per cent was established for the 3-month bill. This
is down about 20 basis points from the rate estab
lished just prior to the last meeting of the Committee.
The tax-exempt market proved to be something
of an exception to the good atmosphere prevailing in
other markets. Banks continued to display a cautious
investment attitude and other institutional inves
tors appeared more interested in corporate and
Government securities.
The suspension of the Federal Reserve guarantee
of bankers' acceptances for foreign official account
lent a note of caution to that market. So far there
has been an orderly adjustment, with the main impact
a widening of rate spreads for acceptances of lesser
known banks. Dealer positions have been running at
record levels, however, and there is some concern
that financing the acceptances of lesser known banks
may become something of a problem. Through last
week our activity in the market remained at a high
level as we were in the process of completing a
substantial foreign order for guaranteed acceptances.
We still don't know how much foreign interest there
will be in unguaranteed acceptances, and there could
well be some market reaction as the over $2 billion
of guaranteed acceptances that foreigners hold run
off in a steady stream.

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Since the last meeting open market operations
were largely devoted to absorbing a part of the
reserves made available to the banking system by
market factors--particularly a substantial decline
in the Treasury's balance. As you know, the Trea
sury has just gone through a tight cash bind and on
November 7, in fact, had to utilize its newly
reenacted ability to borrow directly from the
Federal Reserve. As you also know, the Treasury
will be raising $4-1/2 billion in cash in the
Treasury bill market over the next week.
Our operations over the period involved a steady
stream of repurchase agreements made on behalf of a
handful of foreign accounts that had a large volume
of monetary reserves to put to work on a temporary
basis; $3.2 billion of these transactions were made
with the System Account, providing, along with $500
million outright sales to foreign accounts, a con
venient and unobtrusive method of absorbing reserves.
Looking ahead,there should be a substantial
seasonal need to supply reserves over the weeks
ahead. The net reduction in required reserves will
add about $3/4 billion to reserves in the week
beginning December 12, but there is a large need
before that time. Dealer positions in Treasury
bills, Treasury and agency coupon issues,and accep
tances are quite high--recently at their highest
level in over 2 years--and we should not run into
any supply problems, barring any unexpected bulge
in the continuing stream of foreign orders.
In reply to a question by Mr. Eastburn, Mr. Holmes remarked
that the Treasury's sale of bills over the next week was likely to
be accomplished quickly and would not raise any even-keel considerations.
In reply to a question by Mr. Coldwell, Mr. Holmes observed
that in the next inter-meeting period the Desk would have opportu
nities to purchase both Treasury and agency coupon issues, because

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Government securities dealers had good positions.

He thought

that it would be desirable to purchase such issues.
Mr. Black said he inferred from Mr. Holmes' remarks that
long-term interest rates had declined for the most part because
market participants believed that rates had passed their peaks,
and he asked whether investors also assumed that the rate of
inflation would be substantially reduced.
Mr. Holmes replied that investors were still seriously
concerned about the rate of inflation and had not yet concluded
that it would subside.

However, they feared that they would miss

the turning point in interest rates; that fear might keep some
institutional investors active in the long-term market for a
while.

The increase in dealers' portfolios indicated that some

of the buying was for short-term speculative purposes, but at
the same time the dealers had been able to handle a heavy calendar
of new issues surprisingly well.
By unanimous vote, the open
market transactions in Government
securities, agency obligations, and
bankers' acceptances during the
period October 15 through November 18,
1974, were approved, ratified, and
confirmed.
Mr. Axilrod made the following statement on prospective
financial relationships:

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Growth in M1 for 2 to 3 months now has been slow
relative to the rates desired by the Committee. In
order to promote growth, the Federal funds rate has
declined about 4 percentage points since early July.
Because of the cumulative positive impact on money
demand from this easing, our staff analysis indicates
that only a slight further decline in the funds rate
may develop if and as enough reserves are provided to
accelerate money growth markedly between now and the
year-end.
Because member bank borrowing was high throughout
the summer and early fall, enough reserves have to be
provided through open market operations both to accom
modate a reduction in member bank borrowing as market
interest rates decline and to support deposit expan
sion. We believe that growth in nonborrowed reserves
will have to average about 12 per cent at an annual
rate in November and December to help bring M1 growth
back to path.
If money demand is not as strong as we expect,
the Federal funds rate and interest rates more generally
would tend to drop more sharply if nonborrowed reserve
growth is pushed ahead. A weakness in money demand
could stem from three partly interrelated causes. First,
with the level of interest rates and hence the oppor
tunity cost of holding cash still high, it may take a
relatively sharper decline in rates to induce the public
to hold additional cash than if interest rates were
lower. Second, the economy may be even weaker over
the next few months than the staff is projecting. And
third, it may be that the decline of short-term interest
rates since summer is not being associated with as much
easing in lending terms and conditions as one might
usually expect.
Institutions are, I believe, remaining very cautious
in their lending policies in these highly uncertain and
confusing times. Bank credit growth has been quite slow
in recent months. Although the prime loan rate has been
gradually declining, banks appear to have been continu
ing to scrutinize loan applications with great care.
Concern about their own capital and liquidity positions
is one reason. Uncertain employment, income, and pro
fit prospects of their business and consumer customers

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is another reason.

At thrift institutions, the first

concern appears to be to reconstitute liquidity rather
than to increase mortgage loan commitments as fund
flows improve. Thus, under present circumstances,
because stringent lending standards seem to be per
sisting, we may not be achieving the easing in credit
conditions that might ordinarily be expected as short
term rates decline.
At the same time, we believe that the public too
is being quite cautious in its saving habits in view
of gathering economic uncertainties. The large rise
in consumer-type time and savings deposits at banks
in October and early November and the rather substan
tial return flow of funds to thrift institutions may
be evidence of such caution. The flows appear to be
larger than would have been expected purely from the
decline in market interest rates that took place.
With these greater increases in time and savings
deposits, both M 2 and M 3 are projected to show about
2 percentage points more growth at an annual rate in
the fourth quarter than was indicated at the last
meeting, given the M, path leading to a 5-3/4 per cent
longer-run growth rate. Thus, read literally, M2 and
M 3 would be behaving more expansively. If this develops,
the liquidity position of savings institutions and
individuals will have improved, but the prevailing
cautionary attitudes may well keep that improvement
from being translated into any greater economic stimulus.
Mr. Mitchell remarked that he was uncertain about the
effect on M, growth of the lower rate of expansion in nominal GNP
that the staff was now projecting for the current quarter.

He

asked whether, in view of the improved flows of funds into consumer
type time and savings deposits at banks and at nonbank thrift
institutions, it would be reasonable to accept some trade-off in

growth between M1 and M 2,

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Mr. Axilrod replied that in the present circumstances of
uncertainty, people--to the extent that they could--might be limit
ing spending and increasing savings deposits at banks and at non
bank thrift institutions.

He believed that the increase in the

rate of growth in M 2 relative to that in M 1 was a reflection of
the weakening in economic activity

rather than a positive stimulus.

As he had indicated in his statement, the banks and the nonbank
thrift institutions for a time were likely to respond to the
improved inflows by improving their liquidity positions rather
than by easing their lending standards and terms.
the uncertainty about the

Considering

creditworthiness of their borrowers

and about their own capital structures and liquidity positions,
the financial institutions might respond more slowly than at other
times in easing lending standards and terms.

Therefore, he would

not regard the increase in the M 2 growth rate over the near term
as an acceptable trade-off for growth in M1 .

However, if the

recent rate of growth in M 2 persisted for 5 or 6 months and
attitudes toward economic prospects improved, his view of the
trade-off then clearly would be different.
In response to a question by Mr. Coldwell, Mr. Axilrod observ
ed that under current conditions banks most likely would have been

slow to ease lending terms in any case, but that System efforts to

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encourage banks to improve their capital structures and their liq
uidity positions had been a marginal influence.

The need for such

improvement and the effort to achieve it probably was confined
mainly to large banks, including the larger regional banks.
Mr. Morris remarked that the short-run projections of M1
were of greater importance now than ordinarily.

He asked whether

it was correct to infer from Mr. Axilrod's comments that the proba
bilities were greater that M1 growth would fall short of rather
than exceed the projections for the November-December period
contained in the blue book.1/
In response, Mr. Axilrod observed

that he had stressed

the forces that might cause M1 growth to fall short of the pro
jected rates, at given levels of interest rates.

And while errors

in the projections in the past had occurred on both sides, recently
they had been in the direction of overestimation of M 1 growth.

At

the present time the economy was changing so rapidly that attitudes
toward holding different types of assets no doubt were changing in
ways that could not be readily projected.

Consequently, the pro

jected relationships between interest rates and growth in the
aggregates should be viewed with more than the usual uncertainty.

1/ The report, "Monetary Aggregates and Money Market Conditions,"
prepared for the Committee by the Board's staff.

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Mr. Eastburn asked what effect more cautious bank attitudes
might have on the relationship between reserves and M1.
Mr. Axilrod replied that the projections of growth in M for
1
the period ahead might well be overestimates--given nonborrowed re
serves and the funds rate--because of underestimation of (1) the reduc
tion in member bank borrowings, (2) the increase in banks' demands for
excess reserves, or (3) the effect of restrictive lending terms on
growth in nominal GNP and, over time, on the demand for money.
Mr. Eastburn remarked that all three of those forces tended
to suggest that the rate of growth in reserves might have to be
greater than projected in order to achieve the desired rate of
growth in M1.

He asked what the chances were that the relation

ship between reserves and M1 would turn around so that growth in
the latter would prove to be excessive.
Mr. Axilrod replied that there was no certain way to
anticipate how errors in the projected relationships among M
growth, reserves, and money market conditions would shift about.
The staff had not been able to find a consistent bias in its
estimates, but there had been instances of runs of overestima
tions or of underestimations that had been reversed after a period
of time.

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Chairman Burns then called for the Committee's discussion
of monetary policy and the directive.

He noted that earlier in

the meeting Mr. Holland had inquired about the implications that
international conditions might have for monetary policy, and he
asked Messrs. Reynolds, Wonnacott, and Coombs to comment briefly.
Mr. Reynolds observed that changes in exchange rates were
not determined wholly, or even primarily, by movements in interest
rate relationships.

The fluctuations in exchange rates in recent

weeks had been provoked by casual statements by foreign public
officials concerning their

expectations for changes in exchange

rates rather than by interest rate movements.

Moreover, concern

about the prospects for the exchange rate for the dollar against
leading foreign currencies had been inspired at least as much by
fears of deep recession in the United States as by declines in
interest rates here relative to rates elsewhere.

Consequently,

market participants might worry more if they thought that the
System would pursue a policy that would be too tight for too long
rather than a policy that they perceived to be reasonable and
prudent.
Mr. Reynolds added that interest rates abroad also had
been declining, although less rapidly than rates in this country.
Discount rates had been reduced in Germany, Holland, and Canada,

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and bank lending rates had been reduced in those countries and in

others as well.

There were signs that the French and the Japanese

also were considering easing actions, although they had taken none
as yet.

In summary, while the decline in interest rates had

started in this country, rates were following the same course in
some other countries and soon would be in still others.
Mr. Wonnacott said he agreed with Mr. Reynolds' implication
that it would not be desirable to alter monetary policy significantly
because of recent changes in exchange rates.

In theory, it was

appropriate in the face of exchange rate movements to adjust mone
tary policy from what otherwise would have been desirable, in
order to offset the inflationary effects of currency depreciation,
especially those working through changes in aggregate demand.

In

practice, that aggregate demand effect had been sufficiently large
during 1971-73 that it was an adequate cause for adjusting monetary
policy.

That was not the case now.

Although there had been wide

swings in exchange rates over the past year, there had been no
strong trend.

Aggregate demand effects of such changes were quite

small compared to other uncertainties in the present outlook.

In

his view, they were not large enough to warrant a modification of
monetary policy at this time.

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Mr. Coombs remarked that, in his opinion, international
considerations should not exert a decisive constraint on monetary
policy.

However, there was a danger that a decline in the exchange

rate for the dollar against leading foreign currencies would be
accentuated by speculation to a degree that would have serious
inflationary effects.

In an effort to avoid that sort of develop

ment, it would be desirable to confer with other major countrieswhich shared the U.S. interest in avoiding a cumulative downturn
in economic activity--in order to enlist their cooperation in
following System actions toward easier monetary conditions with
out undue time lags.

Recession appeared to be a world-wide phe

nomenon, and all countries would benefit from concerted action.
The Chairman then asked Mr. Partee for his policy
recommendations.
Mr. Partee observed that little could be done now to
affect the deterioration in the economic situation that appeared
in prospect for the next 4 or 5 months, other than to be prepared
to extend emergency credit and to provide support to the securities
market in the event that real financial instability developed.

At

this point, in his view, the most important objective of policy
was to assure reasonable, supportive growth in the monetary aggre
gates over the months to come.

More specifically, he would like

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to see a substantial reflow of funds into consumer-type time
deposits at banks and at thrift institutions and an annual rate
of growth in M1 on the order of 6 per cent.

For the November

December period staff projections suggested that growth in M
1
and M 2 would be sizable even without much further reduction in
money market interest rates, and it was important to achieve
those growth rates.

In the event that monetary growth appeared

to be falling short, the Committee should be prepared promptly
to reduce money market rates.

However, lower interest rates

should not be sought if the aggregates appeared to be growing
in line with the projected rates.

Such a policy course would

not have much effect on the deepening recession, but as he had
said, the System could not do much to affect the immediate situa
tion in any event.
Mr. Eastburn remarked that he, like Mr. Partee, believed
that the System could not do much now to arrest the current decline
in economic activity.

However, it was a good time to increase

moderately the Committee's longer-run target for M1 growth; he
would suggest that the targeted annual rate of growth be raised
from 5-3/4 per cent to 6-1/4 per cent for the period from August
1974 to March 1975.

Such an increase would establish a public

record of the Committee's concern to achieve more rapid monetary

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growth in that period.

For the November-December period he would

specify an M1 range of 7 to 10 per cent, rather than the 7 to
9

per cent suggested under alternative B,1/ in order to allow for

slightly more rapid growth.

He would specify a Federal funds rate

range of 8 to 10 per cent, which was in between the ranges under
alternatives A and B.
Mr. Hayes commented that he shared the general concern
about the economic outlook.

However, he attached as much importance,

or a little more, to resisting the rate of inflation in prospect.
There was some evidence of official interest abroad in defending
the exchange value of the dollar, which was a key currency for
many countries, and that was immensely important in this period
when faith in currencies in general had reached a low ebb.

Those

considerations called for a rather steady policy over coming weeks;
although he would be willing to see some modest further decline in
short-term market interest rates, he would not raise the longer
term targets for the aggregates.

The language and the specifica

tions of alternative B in general were acceptable, although--in
contrast with Mr. Eastburn--he would prefer to shade the November
December range for M1

down to 6 to 8 per cent.

1/ The alternative draft directives submitted by the staff for
Committee consideration are appended to this memorandum as Attachment B.

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Concerning the discount rate, Mr. Hayes said it would be

prudent to delay somewhat longer any reduction, especially in view
of the recent reduction in reserve requirements.

The spread

between market interest rates and the discount rate had not yet
widened to an extent that constituted a strong argument for a
reduction, and if one were made prematurely, it could be inter
preted as an overt signal that the System was shifting attention
sharply from inflation to recession.

Quite a lot had already

been done to ease monetary conditions, and many Committee members
long had contended that a fairly extended period of business
stagnation probably was essential if inflation was to be brought
under control.

It might be necessary to make such an overt shift

in policy if signs of a cumulating recession became more pervasive,
but until then he would prefer to follow a rather cautious policy.
Chairman Burns observed that in view of the recent change
in reserve requirements, it was highly important that the Com
mittee pursue a cautious policy in the period until the next
meeting and avoid any abrupt change.

Confidence in the Federal

Reserve System was one of the country's important assets, and the
Committee should do nothing that would risk dissipating that con
fidence.

Concerning specifications, he would recommend the longer

run targets under alternative B, thus continuing the M1 target of

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5-3/4 per cent that the Committee had had for some months.

The

December meeting--at which the staff would make a chart presenta
tion on the economic situation--would afford a good opportunity
for review of those targets.

For the November-December period he

would suggest the following:

annual rates of growth of 6-1/2 to

9-1/2 per cent for M1; 8 to 10-1/2 per cent for M2; and 2-1/2 to
5-1/2 per cent for RD's.

He would recommend a Federal funds

rate range of 8-1/2 to 10 per cent for the period until the next
meeting; the midpoint of that range was 9-1/4 per cent--the same
as under alternative B in the blue book--and the rate at present
was about 9-1/2 per cent.
Mr. MacLaury said he would judge that by the time of the
December meeting the staff projections of real GNP would be revised
downward again; he expected that the indicators of business capital
investment would be weaker, that a more serious inventory adjust
ment would be in prospect, and that the foreign trade situation
would deteriorate.

While agreeing with the Chairman's assessment

that fiscal policy was likely to be more expansive than was assumed
now for purposes of the staff projections, he believed that it
should be more expansive.

However, that did pose a dilemma for

the Committee: the prospect of an easier fiscal policy suggested
that monetary policy should remain more restrictive than otherwise,

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but such a restrictive monetary policy might provoke more fiscal
stimulus than otherwise.

Moreover, the existing degree of mone

tary restraint, or even some tightening, could not be very helpful
in dealing with the prospective inflationary pressures, which
would result from large wage increases and reductions in supplies
of foods.

With that kind of inflation in prospect, wage and price

controls were likely to be imposed by the middle of next year.
Accordingly, Mr. MacLaury continued, the Committee should
not delay in making some adjustment in policy.
he would raise the longer-run target for M .

Like Mr. Eastburn,
However, he would

accept the alternative B short-run targets for the aggregates,
because of the expectation that monetary growth would be fairly
rapid in the November-December period.
should not strive

While the

Committee

to achieve higher short-run rates of growth

than indicated under alternative B, it should make sure that the
alternative B rates were achieved.

For that reason, he favored

a funds rate range of 8 to 10 per cent.
Mr. Morris remarked that he was less concerned about
changing the longer-run target at this time than he was about
moving more rapidly toward achievement of the target that the
Committee had established.

In the 4 months from June to October

M 1 had grown at an annual rate of a little more than 2 per cent,

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and if the November-December rate proved to be 8 per cent--as
projected under alternative B--growth in the second half of 1974
would be at a rate of about 4 per cent.

That would be well below

the Committee's target, and in his view, it would be about the
lowest rate that might represent a defensible policy.

Moreover,

the risks of a shortfall in the November-December period appeared
to be greater than the risks of an overshoot, and the rate of
growth in M1 might prove to be no more than 2 or 3 per cent in
the second half of the year.
Continuing, Mr. Morris observed that at this time a
shortfall from the projected rate of growth would create more
problems for the System than would an overshoot.

A 2 or 3

per cent rate of growth in the second half would be difficult
to justify, especially in light of the Committee's target for
the period.

Furthermore, considering Chairman Burns' recent

testimony before the Joint Economic Committee to the effect that
monetary growth was too slow in the third quarter and that every
effort would be made to raise the growth rate, the System would
suffer some loss of public confidence in its ability to con
trol the aggregates reasonably well.

On the other hand, if

growth in the aggregates proved to be stronger than projected
and the November-December rate for M1

was as high as 12 per cent,

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the rate for the second half still would be only about 5.5 per centwhich was in line with the Committee's target.

It seemed to him,

therefore, that it would be wise for the Committee to lessen the
risks of a shortfall in the November-December period.

Accordingly,

he would accept the short-run targets of alternative A while con
tinuing the Committee's longer-run target for M1 , and he would
instruct the Manager promptly to aim for the 8-1/2 per cent mid
point of the range for the Federal funds rate.
Chairman Burns
of the

commented that while Mr. Morris' assessment

risks of an overshoot might be correct in terms of the

rate of growth for the second half of the year, rates of growth
for individual months also received public attention.

In his

judgment, a 12 per cent rate of growth in the November-December
period would provoke editorial comment and expressions of opinion
from the business and financial community, from the Congress, and
from abroad to the effect that the Federal Reserve had thrown in
the sponge with respect to the fight against inflation.
Mr. Mitchell remarked that the Committee had one problem
with respect

to its public image and credibility and another

problem with respect to the effects of monetary policy on real
economic activity.
burn's views.

To a degree, he was sympathetic with Mr. East

For several years M 1 had grown at a rate of about

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6 per cent while the price level had not been rising very rapidly.
In the second half of this year, however, growth in M1 would be
down to a rate of 4 or 5 per cent while the GNP implicit deflator
would rise at a rate in excess of 10 per cent.

Clearly, monetary

policy was more restrictive than it appeared to be.

In reviewing

its longer-run targets, the Committee needed to consider the effect
of the rising price level on M 1, but he was content to deal with
that issue at the next meeting.
Regarding

the effect of policy on economic activity,

Mr. Mitchell observed that the Committee had to be concerned
about the course of business capital spending and of construction
activity.

Both required some action that would help to lower

long-term interest rates, although he was uncertain how far the
Committee could go in that direction.

For the period immediately

ahead, he could accept the Chairman's recommendation for the Federal
funds rate.

With respect to the aggregates, he anticipated more

positive effects from a substantial rate of growth in M2 than had
been suggested by Mr. Axilrod.

Under present circumstances a consid

erable decline in the funds rate might be required in order to increase
the rate of growth in M1 appreciably, and for that reason he would
not be greatly concerned if such an increase were not accomplished.

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Mr. Balles commented that while business prospects had
deteriorated, the outlook for the rate of inflation also had
worsened.

Another year might be required to moderate significantly

the worldwide inflation and to reduce substantially its impact on
the domestic price level.

The consensus forecast seemed to be

that the inflation rate in this country would be down to about
7 per cent

by the fourth quarter of next year, but in his judg

ment it would be somewhat higher.

The unprecedented inflation,

if allowed to continue, would have severe costs beyond raising
unemployment and producing chaos in the construction industry.
Mr. Balles observed that if the inflation rate

now were

down to 5 or 6 per cent, probably everyone would favor the mone
tary growth rate of alternative A or even a more generous rate.
But if the Committee eased monetary policy in the face of double
digit inflation, it would run a great risk of shattering investors'
confidence and increasing their reluctance to commit funds.

He

hoped that the System would avoid giving the impression that it
had thrown in the sponge in the fight against inflation.

There

fore, in view of the conflicting goals of policy, he favored con
tinuing the Committee's longer-run target for the time being, and
in general he favored the specifications set forth under alternative B.

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Mr. Mayo commented that he subscribed to the specifica
tions suggested by the Chairman.

He was also sympathetic to the

Chairman's view concerning the public interpretation of a November
December rate of growth in M

as high as 12 per cent.

Even a

rate in the range of 7 to 9 per cent was likely to be inter
preted as a significant easing in policy.

In.addition, he was

concerned that easing money market conditions

in the direction

of alternative A might create a situation by next spring that
would call for a reversal at a most inopportune time.
Nevertheless,

Mr. Mayo continued, he would not object to

a funds rate range of 8

to 10 per cent--rather than the range of

8-1/2 to 10 per cent that the Chairman had suggested--in order to give
the Desk additional flexibility around a midpoint of 9 per cent; he
would not necessarily expect the Desk to aim immediately for a rate
of 9 per cent.

Consideration of a change in the longer-run targets

could be delayed until the December meeting.

For the directive, he

preferred the language of alternative B--although he would continue
to call for a "resumption of" moderate growth in the aggregates,
as in the directive issued at the October meeting.

Thus, he would

say, "...the Committee seeks to achieve bank reserve and money
market conditions consistent with resumption of moderate growth
in monetary aggregates over the months ahead."

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Mr. Black remarked that the Committee's most important
task was to attempt to restore the aggregates to a path of
moderate growth, and if the blue book projections were rea
sonably good, the groundwork had already been laid for a sub
stantial pickup from the slow rates in the third quarter.
The Federal funds rate and other key rates had declined sub
stantially over the past 4 months, and the full effects of
those declines would not be felt until next year.

Like

Mr. Mayo, he believed that the Committee now had to consider
carefully the danger of easing money market conditions too much,
thereby provoking overly rapid growth in the aggregates a quarter
or so ahead and leading

to the stop-and-go sort of policy that

had occurred too often.

While he would have liked to see a more

rapid rate of growth in M1 recently, he saw positive effects of
the substantial growth in the more broadly defined money stock.
Finally, like Mr. Coombs, he believed that interest rates in this
country should not decline too rapidly in relation to rates in
other

major countries.
Mr. Black said he favored alternative B, with the modified

specifications that the Chairman had suggested, because it repre
sented a slight further easing in money market conditions with

a

continuation of the Committee's longer-run targets for the aggregates.

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And he agreed with Mr. Mayo's suggestion for the operational
paragraph of the directive.
In reply to a question by Mr. Winn, Mr. Axilrod remarked
that growth in banks' time and savings deposits other than large
denomination CD's recently had been somewhat more rapid than was
consistent with the historical relationship between deposit growth
and interest rates.

Growth was projected to be slightly less rapid

in the period immediately ahead and to be more consistent with the
level of interest rates.
Mr. Winn commented that he shared Mr. Mitchell's view with
respect to the importance that should be attached to growth in M
versus that in M1; the substantial pickup in M 2 growth in October
was encouraging.

For the period ahead, he would like to see as

much ease in money market conditions as could be obtained without
provoking the necessity for a reversal later on.

In his view,

System operations over the next month would be especially important
in terms of the consequences for the rate of inflation.

He could

accept alternative B.
Mr. Francis observed that his views on policy reflected
his judgment that the current slowdown in economic activity differed
in important respects from those in the past.

In his opinion, the

slowdown--which began last year without having been preceded by

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policy actions to dampen demand--was not induced by a weakening
in demand but rather was the result of a number of unusual forces.
He would like to see M1 grow at the alternative B rate of about 8
per cent in the November-December period.

If it did, the growth

rate on a quarterly average basis would slow from 6.5 per cent in
the first half of 1974 to about 4 per cent in the second half, and
would be about 5.5 per cent for the year as a whole.

That was not

far from the Committee's longer-run objectives and, in light of
his assessment of the nature of the downturn in economic activity,
would represent rather good policy for 1974.

He believed it would

be appropriate to move into 1975 with the growth rates projected
under alternative C, including a 5 per cent rate of growth in M1
for the first quarter of 1975.

He agreed with the staff's projec

tions suggesting that economic activity would begin to move back
up after midyear.
Mr. Kimbrel remarked that in the present gloomy atmosphere
it might be tempting to ease policy progressively, but he rejected
such a course.

The rate at which reserves had been provided and

the recent reduction in reserve requirements were appropriate
responses to the situation, and the decline in interest rates
that had occurred was welcome.

At the same time, however, domestic

and international inflation was still a source of concern, and the

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System should not ease policy to a degree that would suggest that
it had abandoned its publicly proclaimed goal of waging the fight
against inflation to a successful conclusion.
Mr. Kimbrel observed that in late spring and summer indi
viduals had purchased an unusually large number of large-denomina
tion CD's, suggesting the possibility that they had shifted funds
out of equities and demand deposits.

He was concerned that a re

versal of the shift out of demand deposits might result in a faster
rate of growth in M1 than projected by the staff.

He was also

concerned that the Federal budget would become considerably more
stimulative next year.

Accordingly, he was quite wary of any overt

moves to ease monetary policy further, which in any case were
unlikely to have significant effects on economic activity before
mid-1975.

He would accept the longer-run M1 target of 5-3/4 per cent

and the short-run specifications for the aggregates that the Chair
man had suggested.

For the Federal funds rate range, however, he

preferred a lower limit of 9 per cent, and would aim for a rate
toward that level only if other short-term rates tended to move
up or if growth in the aggregates appeared to be falling considerably
short of the projected rates.
Mr. Holland said alternative B, modified in the way sug
gested by the Chairman, represented the right policy prescription

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at present.

At the same time, he believed that a continued gradual

relaxation in financial market conditions was desirable.

Accordingly,

he would like to see the funds rate drift down into the 9 to 9-1/4
per cent area.

The Desk should avoid raising the funds rate within

its range unless the aggregates appeared to be growing at rates
significantly above their specified ranges, and he would set the
top of the funds rate range at 9-7/8 per cent, rather than 10 per
cent, in order to indicate that the Desk should not aim for a two
digit rate before the Committee had had an opportunity to consider
its consequences.
Chairman Burns remarked that he also believed that a signifi
cant reversal of the recent course of interest rates would definitely
be undesirable at this stage.

Accordingly, unless there was some change

in circumstances, he would want to consult with the Committee if the
movement in the monetary aggregates appeared to call for raising the
target for the funds rate toward the 10 per cent level.
At this point the meeting recessed.

It reconvened at

1:45 p.m., with the same attendance as at the morning session.
Mr. Wallich remarked that he viewed the outlook with some
apprehension because in successive staff projections, all of which
suggested an upturn in real GNP in the second half of next year,
the rate of inflation projected for that period had been raised
progressively.

Once activity began to expand again, the rate of

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increase in prices, as well as interest rates, was likely to turn
up.

If the expansion began with prices rising at a rate of 7 or 8

per cent and with interest rates to match, there was no way of
knowing how rapid the inflation would become and how high interest

rates would go.
Mr. Wallich said he concluded that alternative B was about
right, and he would hesitate to shade it in a more liberal direc
tion.

He hoped that the funds rate could be held within the 8-1/2

to 10 per cent range suggested by the Chairman, which provided a
little downward leeway to the midpoint of the range in association
with an 8 per cent rate of growth in M1 in the November-December
period.

Actually that was a rather high rate to report to the

public, even if it did not fully make up for the third-quarter
shortfall.
Mr. Bucher observed that over the past 6 months or so his
policy position had been one of caution with respect to restraint,
and now it was one of caution with respect to ease.

Like

Mr. Holland, he would be concerned about the possible effects on
market expectations if the funds rate backed up to 10 per cent;
every effort should be made to avoid giving the market the impres
sion that policy had changed course.

At the same time, he would

be hesitant to move aggressively in an easing direction.

Although,

like Mr. Mitchell, he was particularly concerned about long-term

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interest rates and about the problems of the construction industry,
there were limits to the effect of declines in short-term rates on
the long-term rates.

As long as inflation continued at a rapid

rate, it would remain a factor in the long-term market.
Mr Bucher remarked that, as many had feared, a major
economic downturn was in process, but there was little that
monetary policy could do to affect activity in the near term.
Therefore, the Committee's attention should be directed toward
longer-term goals.

He was more concerned now than he had been in

the recent past about the possibility of a high rate of inflation
toward the end of next year.

One factor in that concern was the

likelihood that there would be an over-reaction to the downturn
in fiscal policy, which emphasized the need for caution in easing
monetary policy.
With regard to specifications in the period ahead, Mr. Bucher
said he preferred a range of 8 to 10 per cent for the funds ratea slightly lower range than that under alternative B.

Considering

recent declines in the funds rate, a further easing to only about
9-1/4 per cent would be very small and might be interpreted by the
market as a shift from the recent trend of policy, leading to a
backing up of other short-term rates.

Consequently, he would like

to see the funds rate moved down to around 9 per cent.

As had been

suggested, if the behavior of the aggregates appeared to call for
raising the funds rate back near a level of 10 per cent, the Committee

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should take a long and hard look at the situation.

With respect

to the aggregates, he could wait until the December meeting to
review the longer-term targets, and he could accept the short-run
ranges of tolerance that the Chairman had proposed.
Mr. Coldwell commented that the economic situation had
deteriorated a little more over the past month than he had expected.
He hoped that the Committee would not over-react, as long as the
recession remained gradual, and it seemed that a majority of the
members were not recommending a major easing in policy.

In his

view, tolerance was still high among the people and in the Congress
for continuing efforts to reduce the rate of inflation.

Over the

remainder of 1974 policy should be eased only slightly; any overt
moves should be held to a minimum because some expectation of con
tinued weakness in the economy was necessary in order to dampen
wage and price increases.
Concerning specifications, Mr. Coldwell said he had
been prepared to accept alternative B, although like the

Chairman he preferred a range of 8-1/2 to 10 per cent for the
funds rate.

He was slightly concerned about the Chairman's

suggestion to widen the short-run ranges of tolerance for the
aggregates, but he thought that growth in the aggregates could
not be projected very well in this period and that the behavior

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of the aggregates would not offer much guidance for policy
decisions.

Accordingly, he preferred a directive which placed

more emphasis on the money market conditions that he wanted to
achieve.

Thus, he would say "...the Committee seeks to achieve

further slight easing of money market conditions, with the
expectation that there will be a resumption of moderate growth
in monetary aggregates over the period ahead."

He hoped that in

the period coming the Desk would take advantage of any opportu
nities that arose to purchase coupon issues, in order to give
some support to the market for longer-term securities
Mr. Plant remarked that in view of the indications of a
further decline in economic activity and of a deeper recession,
a definite,but not very great,step toward ease should be taken.
He had been in favor of the specifications of alternative B, but
he could accept those that the Chairman had recommended.
Mr. Sheehan observed that over the past year he probably had
been more bearish about economic prospects than any other member of
the Committee, and the worst of his fears had eventuated.

He did not

think that should be attributed to Federal Reserve policy, even thoughgiven the rate of inflation--the System's policy had been extremely
tight.

However, this was not the time to take actions that might

signal to the market a shift in policy to an anti-recession stance.

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While the recession in activity was worse than he had anticipated,
and the slack in resource use was greater, inflation was a very
severe problem.

In the weeks and months ahead, the System would

have to ease further, but this was not the time to do so.

In

view of the substantial declines in the Federal funds rate and in
other short-term rates over the past 4 months, he was prepared to
hold the current position for the next 30 days.

He could accept

the specifications that the Chairman had suggested.
Mr. Clay said there was little that monetary policy could
do now to prevent a further decline in real output over the next
few months and that, consequently, policy should focus on setting
the stage for recovery in a manner consistent with significant
progress in reducing the rate of inflation.

He preferred a longer

run target of 5-1/2 per cent for M1,but he would accept 5-3/4
per cent for the moment and would plan to work the rate down.
Actually, even 5-1/2 per cent was high from an historical stand
point, although it was lower than the rate that had prevailed
over recent years and would represent progress toward an appro
priate rate.
Chairman Burns asked the members to indicate informally
whether they preferred the language that Mr. Coldwell had suggested
for the operational paragraph of the directive, which gave more

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emphasis to money market conditions, or whether they preferred the
language of alternative B, without distinguishing for the moment be
tween the form presented by the staff and that suggested by Mr. Mayo.
A majority of the members indicated a preference for one
of the versions of alternative B.
The Chairman then asked the members to indicate informally
whether they preferred the language of alternative B as presented
by the staff or as modified by Mr. Mayo to speak of a "resumption
of" moderate growth in monetary aggregates over the months ahead.
A majority of the members indicated a preference for the
language of alternative B as presented by the staff.
Chairman Burns said he believed, on the basis of the
discussion, that a majority of the members favored continuation
of the longer-run target for M

that the Committee had adopted at

its last meeting along with the associated targets for M2 and the
credit proxy.

He then asked the members to

indicate whether

they could accept his earlier recommendations for the short-run
ranges of tolerance for the aggregates and for the Federal funds
rate.
A majority of the members indicated acceptance of those
ranges.

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Chairman Burns proposed that the Committee vote on a
directive consisting of the staff's draft of the general para
graphs and alternative B for the operational paragraph.

It would

be understood that the directive would be interpreted in accor
dance with the following specifications.

The longer-run targets-

namely, the annual rates of growth for the period from August 1974
to March 1975--would be 5-3/4, 8, and 5 per cent for M1, M2, and
the bank credit proxy, respectively.

The associated ranges of

tolerance for growth rates in the November-December period would
be 2-1/2 to 5-1/2 per cent for RPD's, 6-1/2 to 9-1/2 per cent
for M1, and 8 to 10-1/2 per cent for M2.

The range of tolerance

for the weekly average Federal funds rate in the inter-meeting
period would be 8-1/2 to 10 per cent.
By unanimous vote, the Federal
Reserve Bank of New York was authorized

and directed, until otherwise directed
by the Committee, to execute transactions
for the System Account in accordance
with the following domestic policy
directive:

The information reviewed at this meeting suggests
that real output of goods and services is falling signif
icantly further in the current quarter while price and
wage increases are continuing large. In October indus
trial production declined--after having changed little
since May--and the unemployment rate increased further,
to 6.0 per cent. In recent weeks sizable cut
from 5.8
backs in automobile production have been announced, and

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claims for unemployment insurance have continued to
increase. There are major uncertainties concerning
the duration of the coal strike; a lengthy shutdown
would have substantial effects on other industries.
The October rise in wholesale prices of industrial
commodities, although substantial, remained well
below the extraordinarily rapid rate in the first
8 months of the year; prices of farm products and
foods increased sharply.
In recent weeks the dollar has declined further
against leading foreign currencies. In the third
quarter the U.S. foreign trade deficit was substan
tially larger than in the second quarter, but U.S.
banks sharply reduced their foreign lending.
Growth of the narrowly defined money stock picked
up from the slow pace of the third quarter to an annual
rate of about 5 per cent in October. Net inflows of
consumer-type time and savings deposits at banks and at
nonbank thrift institutions also improved in October,
and the money supply measures more broadly defined
expanded appreciably. Bank credit outstanding changed
little, and banks reduced their borrowing through Euro
dollars and large-denomination CD's. Since mid-October
markets for short- and long-term securities have improved,
despite heavy Treasury financing and a large volume of
corporate security issues.
Interest rates on market
securities in general have declined further, and mortgage
yields also have fallen somewhat. On November 13 the
Board of Governors announced a restructuring of member
bank reserve requirements, which will have the effect
of releasing reserves to the banking system in the week
beginning December 12.
In light of the foregoing developments, it is the
policy of the Federal Open Market Committee to foster
financial conditions conducive to resisting inflationary
pressures, supporting a resumption of real economic
growth,and achieving equilibrium in the country's
balance of payments.

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To implement this policy, while taking account of
developments in domestic and international financial
markets, the Committee seeks to achieve bank reserve
and money market conditions consistent with moderate
growth in monetary aggregates over the months ahead.
Secretary's note: The specifications agreed upon by
the Committee, in the form distributed following the
meeting, are appended to this memorandum as Attachment C.
It was agreed that the next meeting of the Committee would
be held on December 16 and 17, 1974.
Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Secretary

ATTACHMENT A

November 19, 1974

TO:

Federal Open Market Committee

FROM:

Henry C. Wallich

SUBJECT:

Basle meeting of
November 11, 1974

At the Basle meeting on November 11, the principal topics
discussed, in addition to the usual review of economic conditions,
were bank regulation matters and recycling.
Governor Richardson reported on the outcome of his approachto
consortium banks of which he had requested an expression of support, by
the shareholding banks.

All

He considered the results very satisfactory.

of the 29 consortium banks had either supplied the desired type of assurance
or given indication that it would soon be forthcoming.

Some of the state

ments received contained qualifications such as "to the extent possible"
or "subject to applicable laws and regulations," and, of course, it
was understood that the promise of support was a moral and not a legal
commitment.

In the course of further discussions it became evident

that various central banks had taken different attitudes toward the
Richardson operation, some of them working closely with their banks
in formulating a reply, others, such as the Federal Reserve, assuming
the role of an interested bystander.
The Bank of England will now repeat the process with respect
to the much larger number of subsidiaries of foreign banks.

Richardson

expects that eventually all subsidiaries will receive a request of the
kind described; however, these requests are expected to be presented on
the occasion of contacts with the banks that may occur for other reasons.
No great urgency seems to be attached.

The discussion of recycling focused on a proposal made by
Zijlstra on behalf of the BIS and, in a sense, of the Secretary General
of OECD.

It would involve the issuance of obligations either by the

BIS or, more likely, a body created by the OECD, guaranteed by the OECD
members on a quota basis, i.e., a joint but not several guarantee.

The

proceeds would be loaned to oil-importing countries having difficulties
obtaining funds.

The OPEC countries might be among the buyers of the

bonds, but the bonds would be offered to the general market, and no
special approach would be made to the OPEC countries.

Zijlstra

stressed that the BIS should never be in a position of actively
soliciting OPEC funds.

As regards the use of the funds, loans would be

decided by the OECD or a body appointed by it.
that the proposal would be discussed at the

Zijlstra added

meetings of

OECD bodies in Paris which are going forward this week.
The plan described has many similarities with the American plan
put forward by Secretaries Kissinger and Simon.

It differs principally in

what might possibly turn out to be a greater involvement of OPEC lenders, in
the exclusive use of government guarantees in lieu of possible contributions
of appropriated funds, and in the focus on oil deficits as contrasted
with general balance-of-payments or even domestically motivated
borrowing needs.
In a smaller group, there was discussion of exchange market
intervention to deal with the upward tendency of the Swiss franc and
the German mark.

This led to a communication to the press on the part of

the Swiss which appeared on the Reuters ticker in the following form:
"The Federal Reserve, the Bundesbank, and the National Bank of Switzerland
are prepared to enter the foreign exchange market as and when they see
fit to preserve orderly market conditions, informed sources said.

They

said that there was no need for any formal agreement between the three
sides on this cardinal point of principle nor did the arrangement imply
intervention would necessarily take place at an early date.
Asked to comment on this arrangement, President Leutwiler said
the Swiss National Bank had no special interest in defending the dollar
at any given level against the Swiss franc.

The Swiss authorities

would, however, watch the situation closely and take any appropriate
action."
More detailed comments on the market impact of this press
report and on the market intervention undertaken is contained in the
report of the Special Manager for the statement week ended November 13,
1974.

ATTACHMENT B

November 18, 1974
Drafts of Domestic Policy Directive for Consideration by the
Federal Open Market Committee at its Meeting on November 19, 1974
GENERAL PARAGRAPHS
The information reviewed at this meeting suggests that
real output of goods and services is falling significantly further
in the current quarter while price and wage increases are con
tinuing large. In October industrial production declined--after
having changed little since May--and the unemployment rate in
creased further, from 5.8 to 6.0 per cent.
In recent weeks sizable
cutbacks in automobile production have been announced, and claims
for unemployment insurance have continued to increase. There are
major uncertainties concerning the duration of the coal strike;
a lengthy shutdown would have substantial effects on other indus
tries. The October rise in wholesale prices of industrial com
modities, although substantial, remained well below the extra
ordinarily rapid rate in the first 8 months of the year; prices
of farm products and foods increased sharply.
In recent weeks the dollar has declined further against
leading foreign currencies. In the third quarter the U.S. foreign
trade deficit was substantially larger than in the second quarter,
but U.S. banks sharply reduced their foreign lending.
Growth of the narrowly defined money stock picked up
from the slow pace of the third quarter to an annual rate of
about 5 per cent in October. Net inflows of consumer-type
time and savings deposits at banks and at nonbank thrift insti
tutions also improved in October, and the money supply measures
more broadly defined expanded appreciably. Bank credit outstanding
changed little, and banks reduced their borrowing through Euro
dollars and large-denomination CD's.
Since mid-October markets
for short- and long-term securities have improved, despite heavy
Treasury financing and a large volume of corporate security issues.
Interest rates on market securities in general have declined
further, and mortgage yields also have fallen somewhat. On
November 13 the Board of Governors announced a restructuring of
member bank reserve requirements, which will have the effect of
releasing reserves to the banking system in the week beginning
December 12.

In light of the foregoing developments, it is the policy
of the Federal Open Market Committee to foster financial con
ditions conducive to resisting inflationary pressures, supporting
a resumption of real economic growth, and achieving equilibrium
in the country's balance of payments.
OPERATIONAL PARAGRAPH
Alternative A
To implement this policy, while taking account of
developments in domestic and international financial markets,
the Committee seeks to achieve bank reserve and money market
conditions consistent with substantial growth in monetary aggre
gates over the months ahead.
Alternative B
To implement this policy, while taking account of
developments in domestic and international financial markets,
the Committee seeks to achieve bank reserve and money market
conditions consistent with moderate growth in monetary aggre
gates over the months ahead.
Alternative C
To implement this policy, while taking account of
developments in domestic and international financial markets,
the Committee seeks to achieve bank reserve and money market
conditions consistent with relatively slow growth in monetary
aggregates over the months ahead.

ATTACHMENT C

November 19, 1974
Points for FOMC guidance to Manager
in implementation of directive

A.

Specifications
(As agreed, 11/19/74)

Longer-run targets (SAAR):
(September plus fourth and first
quarters, combined)

5-3/4%
8%
Proxy

B.

5%

Short-run operating constraints:
1.

2.

Range of tolerance for RPD growth
rate (November-December average):

2-1/2 to 5-1/2%

Ranges of tolerance for monetary
aggregates (November-December average):

6-1/2 to 9-1/2%
8 to 10-1/2%

3.

C.

Range of tolerance for Federal funds
rate (daily average in statement
weeks between meetings):

8-1/2 to 10%

4.

Federal funds rate to be moved in an
orderly way within range of toleration.

5.

Other considerations: account to be taken of developments in domestic
and international financial markets.

If it appears that the Committee's various operating constraints are
proving to be significantly inconsistent in the period between meetings,
the Manager is promptly to notify the Chairman, who will then promptly
decide whether the situation calls for special Committee action to give
supplementary instructions.