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Index
Two Sections— Section Two

Page

Editorial Article—
The Bankers’ Convention-----

7

General Session—
Addresses_______....................
Committee Reports__________

10
36

National Bank Division—
Addresses_________________ ___
Committee Reports________ _

40
47

State Bcrfk Division—
A d d r e s s e s .............. .................
Committee Reports___________

60
66

Trust Division—
Meeting for Elections Only___ 68

AMERICAN
BANKERS’ CONVENTION
SECTION

Savings Division—
Addresses........ ............
Committee Reports..... ..............

69
66

Clearing House
Round T M e Conference—
A ddresses..........................

67

Constructive Customer
Relations Clinic—
Addresses_____________________

74

G IV IN G P R O C E ED IN G S OF T H E
State Secretaries Section—
Addresses__ _____________
Committee Reports......... .........

78
81

CONVENTION OF

AMERICAN BANKERS ASSOCIATION
HELD A T SAN FRANCISCO, CAL.

For Index to Advertisements

SEP T EM B ER 21 TO SE P T E M B E R 24, 1936

See page 9

October 10, 1936




Copyrighted 1936 by

W ILLIA M B. DANA COM PANY, PU BLISHER S
William Street, eerner of Spruee Street. New York

T HE H O M E
INSURANCE

COMPANY

NE W YORK
STATEMENT— JUNE 30, 1936
A SS E T S
C a sh in Banks and Trust C om panies . ................. ( 13,991,862,08
United States govern m e nt B o n d s ........................
2,818,958.99
All O ther Bonds^and S t o c k s ...................................
97,354,211.19
Premiums uncolledted, less than 90 d ays due . . . .
Accrued Interest . . . ..................... .................
Other A dm itted Assets . . ................................

6,971,644.75
231,676.00
773,202.00
$122,141,555.01

LIA B ILIT IES
C a p ita l Stock

..................................................... $ I4,500,000.00f

Reserve for Unearned P re m iu m s..........................

39,207,558.00

Reserve for L o s s e s ..............................................
Reserve for Unpaid R e in s u r a n c e ............................
Reserve for Taxes and Accounts . . . . . . . . .

4,437,7^.00
796,364,77
1,500,000.00

Conflagration R eserve .......................................

2,000,000 001

N ET S U R P L U S ...............................

59,699,875.24f

_________

S U R P L U S A S R E G A R D S P O L IC Y H O L D E R S

$122,141,555.01

$76,199,875.24f

NOTE: On the b asis of June 30v 1936 market quotations for all
Bonds and Stocks owned the total admitted A sse ts would be in­
creased to $128,224,799.33, the Net Surplus to $65,783,119.56,
and the Surplus a s regards Policyholders to $82,283,119.56.
Securities carried at $2,620,655.00 and cash $50,000.00 in the
above statement are deposited a s required by law.
----------- f — ----------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- ---------------

Strength « »




Reputation « »

Service

American Bankers Convention
SECTION OF THE

Commercial and Financial Chronicle
Vol.

143.

NEW

No. 3720.

YORK, OCTOBER 10 1936

have

The Convention and the Public Finances

increased

contra-seasonally

to

the

highest

levels since

As Mr.

Fleming pointed out in his presidential

address to

the American

national bankers'
cisco

as

long

Bankers

gathering

ago as

was

Convention, the

held in San Fran¬

It has made that city its

1892.

headquarters in two notable autumn

seasons

a

highly disturbing financial set-back, and

again in 1929, when it

was

visibly confronted with

the

prolonged financial reckoning from which

are

now

emerging.

Mr. Fleming took

a

and

other

measuring sticks, business is rapidly reviv¬
ing, and we all know that ample bank and invest¬
ment funds are available for business expansion."

since

tlpt time—in 1903, when the country was recover¬
ing from

October, 1931, and factory employment
payrolls are also up.
According to those and

we

strongly

hopeful view of the present financial outlook.

Re¬

But Mr.

definitely under control.
of taxation

"It

is

encouraging to^ note the
being made in industrial

production

steady progress
recovery.

Steel

the increase; construction con¬
tracts awarded reached the highest monthly total
during July since June, 1931; electric power output
has

is

advanced

Also,

ia^bound

policies of

we

have the problem

which, if allowed to increase substan¬
result in

to

,

recovery."
which is

com¬

plication, "we must all realize that expenditures,
Federal, State and municipal, must be brought more

tially,

garding this, he said:

Fleming qualified his view of things by

adding that, in addition to the unemployment

Conceding, freely
our

government

most unusual economic

retarding
that

were

business

the emergency

necessitated by a

situation, he had this to

say:

on

to




a

new

high record;

car

loadings

"Making allowance for these factors, if we are to
business recovery we must take
steps by which the budgets of Federal, State arid

continue the present

1936

One Hundredth
If you

contemplate establishing

connection

in

Company invites

Girard
EFFINGHAM

B.

Anniversary Year

Philadelphia
your

a

banking

the

Girard

Trust

Company

MORRIS

AND

trust

Trust

consideration of its facilities.

ALBERT

Chairman of the Board

BROAD

or

A.

JACKSON

President

CHESTNUT STREETS,

Member Federal

A

PHILADELPHIA

Deposit Insurance Co-poration

*

BANKERS'

municipal governments will be brought
.

more

CONVENTION.

clefi-

ing of

nitely under control and work as rapidly as possible towards budgetary balancing.
If this- can be
accomplished, business will be assured that we are
firm

on

foundations, and

can

forward

go

tion

crealte

to

channels

new

for

greater employ-

■

uncertainty surrounding

far

the

possible

as

rules

under

sums,

that

an

be

positively declares

politics, but is

a

a

concern to

us

simple but comprehensive view

to strike the

honest and

President

to

not

On its early,

necessarily in large

practical

before

clearly,

men

of

that,

been

become

on

this

occasion

anu

people."

the

what would

be

grown up

a

govern-

in the past

years.
men

of

experience in American politics and American history,
.«

is

that

the

industrial

evitably follows such

a

which

recovery

in-

period, the return of what

end to these popular delusions.

that

There

was

the much larger dan-

as a

economic

return of

prosperous

times would not easily

impossible not to overlook entirely the immi-.

possibility that
so

a program

haphazard

a

fashion

of relief, conducted
as

that of the past

and involving so enormous

public




our

breakdown,

standing factor

in

history developed after

and which

our

money,

an

expendi-

would result in the pauperiz-

as

became

congressional

1933—has vanished from the

extricate them.

seen

money

remedy for financial depression—an agitation

and the

taxpayers were caught in a net, from which

We have

already how the organized demand for fiat
which has always in

ture of

corn-

call "good times," will usually of themselves put

powerful

that, with the best intentions, our responsible

few years

banking

The reassuring fact, in the mind of all

public officers would discover that the government

often in

the

To

we

so

ger

It is

should

people

an

engine

opportunity.

nent

"the

no

political

the

even

words,

people which have

three./fr four

as

would

in this year of grace,

even

politician would be willing to relinquish

a

ambitious

administered

to

It is, to teach the people that, in

Cleveland's

support

ment

The

sometimes feared, government relief

as we

has

with

politically

surrender to the ideas of relations between

that

danger of the existing situation has been, not only
it

contented

together

both to government and citizens,

judgment will not in the next few weeks be clouded
by the partisan talk of a political campaign.

herded

the inevitable fiscal and fiduciary consequences of

measure

affairs,

be

were

munity, the important office belongs of showing,

depend, and it is well to have the matter set "forth
so

an

support the government but the government should

intelligent solution the country's longer

future will

financial

or

meet

to

out

all other thinking citizens, have* a paramount duty

in the matter.

keynote of the whole problem which

practical bankers have to consider.

thrifty

of the

put

Responsible bankers in this country, along with

all people,

appears

could

unpleasantly suggested,

regardless of what political party is in power."
This

loans

the activities of certain political agitators have

as

question "which involves partisan

fundamental

taxation

through

government

not

He emphatically expressed his belief

that this is not

.

insist upon outright drafts on the public treasury,

rapidly), looking toward elimination of waste and
duplication."

?.

.

,

What might be the

their lot

(which of necessity had to be developed

program

«

accumulating public deficit.

review by the government of its whole relief

a

present scale, the greater will

*

upshot, if citizens who

important step in that direction "would

very

itg

,,

raised

through

which

operates," and he

on

,

been the possibility of. accustoming our people to
the distribution to individuals of such prodigious

any

business

Of

«necessarily be the danger of deterioration m the
standards of our people. Hardly less menacing has

r
He believes that "the major factor in this problem
as

working population.

jng sinister indications, and the longer such a sys-

\

necessity of removing

our

possibility there have not been lack-

as a

tem continues

(.

is the

large part of

the

in

tradition^ spirit of American enterprise and inyenment."

a

this result

scene

it did in due course in the

at

an

an

out-

oratory

of

Washington,

recovery

after the

troubled period that followed 1893 and 1873.

But

the present menace, which differs from that historic

delusion in form if not in purpose, needs to be met
by unremitting vigilance and intelligence.

/

u

Index to Advertisements

Page

Page

BALTIMORE, MD.
Safe

Deposit & Trust Co_

NEW

17

.

CITY

YORK

Brown Brothers Harriman & Co

Chase National Bank (The)
Chemical Bank & Trust Co

21

.___'

____

;_

....

Devine (C.

BOSTON,

J.) & Co., Inc
Empire Trust Co

MASS.

Brown Brothers Harriman & Co
Devine

2-t

:

(C. J.) & Co., Inc
Kidder, Peabody & Co___l.
New England Mutual Life Insurance Co

___________

.—

Salomon Bros. & Hutzler___

o

lx
_
______

_____

V

Fulton Trust Co

15
3
6
2
2

Home Insurance Co.

Inside Front Cover
11

(The)
Kidder, Peabody & Co_
Moulton (R. H.) & Co._l_

—

______

Salomon Bros. & Hutzler...:

5
1

1

PHILADELPHIA,
CHICAGO,
Devine (C. J.) & Co., Inc
Salomon Bros. & Hutzler—

PA.

Brown Brothers Harriman & Co._

ILL.

21

Corn

bit.

—

_____

6
1

Exchange National Bank & Trust Co
Devine (C. J.) &Co__
Fidelity-Philadelphia Trust Co_

5
6
4
7

Girard Trust Co

Kidder, Peabody & Co
:___
Pennsylvania Co. for Insurances on Lives and Granting Annuities

3

(The)

CLEVELAND, OHiO

Salomon Bros. & Hutzler
Salomon Bros. & Hutzler

—

1

-

PORTLAND,
Bruce

Outside Back Cover

Chrysler Corporation

___

Tradesmen's National Bank & Trust Co.

■i

DETROIT, MICH.

(Conrad) & Co

ST.

-11
2

Baring Brothers & Co., Ltd
Empire Trust Co

LOUIS,

MO.

6
FRANCISCO, CALIF.

Bruce

LOS
Bruce

ANGELES, CALIF.

19
6

(Conrad) & Co___
Co

Moulton (R. H.) &

(Conrad) & Co
Crocker First National Bank.
Devine (C. J.) & Co., Inc
Moulton (R. H.) & Co
,____
Wells Fargo Bank & Union Trust Co

Northwestern National Bank & Trust
Salomon Bros. & Hutzler




19
13

6
5

11

SEATTLE, WASH.
Bruce

MINNEAPOLIS, MINN.

19
18

(C. J.) & Co., Inc
SAN

.1
5

ORE.
_____

LInited States National Bank (The)

Devine

LONDON, ENGLAND

11

19

(Conrad) & Co
WASHINGTON, D. C.

Co.
'

2
1

Riggs National Bank (The)

14

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Sixty-Second Annual Convention, Held at San Francisco, Calif., Sept. 22-24, 1936
-a

INDEX

TO GENERAL

CONVENTION PROCEEDINGS.

Page 10
Make Haste Slowly, by Leroy A. Lincoln*
16
The Banker's Part in Trust Service, by Gilbert T. Stephenson
20
Investment Portfolio, by Lindsay

A Bank's

Bradford

Proposal for Taxation Reform, by Robert V. Fleming
Hero or Villain, by Clarence Francis—,
A Banker Looks at Europe, by Rudolph S. Hecht_.
Is Democracy in
Business and

Banking

on

Ayres

the

graduated from Yale in 1914, after which he was

was

where
.%

he

was

a

of the

Board,

achieved

York Trust Co., special¬

City Bank Farmers Trust Co. in

director of the

H. Perkins became Chairman

bank's

a

the hardest
well but

as

jobs in
I

a

banking institution to do consistently

approach the task of talking about it and try¬

ing to develop successful theories of operation, I honestly
think that that is more difficult than the job itself.
And,,
if investment of

been

always

bank's funds in the security market has

a

problem in the past, the difficulties have

a

certainly been multiplied

many

times over at the present

invested.

The

this

of

extent

increased problem becomes

only too obvious when we picture that in 1914 only 17% of
the

assets

figure has

steadily

1930 and in the
current

in

the banks

of all

grown

were

in investments and that

to 23% of all member banks in

spring of this

year

reached the approximate

Indications are that your difficulties

figure of 41 %.

continuing to invest this large percentage of your assets

continue and at least my difficulties in talking about

may

them will be

over

complex that it is impossible to establish
principles which will prove profitable for

perioctsNuch

as we

speak of

a

have recently passed through?

bank's portfolio, I have first in mind the

portfolio consisted of an amount

undivided
profits plus, roughly, a similar .amount of deposits, the
problem fell within such limits that it was possible to' point
equal substantially to the capital, surplus and

out

a

reasonable

however, with

and logical

40% of

variations

inevitable in

unknown

paths

develop

a course

and

it

procedure to follow.

Now,

exposed to the price
public market, we are treading

our resources
a

becomes

incumbent

upon

us

to

of conduct which will not only guide us

through the current phase but which will contain inherent
safeguards
years

The
any

so

that possible developments over the next few

will not result harmfully to our

banking system.

problem is great indeed, and it is not a question

of us

can

invested in the

too many

ignore because we all face it by the very nature

that these theoretically represent a

ence

I




"theoretically" because in

proved to be the proverbial snare and delusion.

whatever extent, however,

profits, and of

this is the situation today, to

course

the

degree

large

surplus and undivided

of the capital,

beyond the limits

principles

same

To

the portfolio is expanded in size

a very

of management should

prevail.
In
go

consideration of the matter it

our

seems

to

wise to

me

back to the fundamental reason for the existence of capital

funds of the bank and

by the

use

of the term, I

essentially

mean

the

These funds

capital, surplus and undivided profits.

are

guaranty fund to the depositors of the bank.

a

They stand between the depositors and the losses resulting
from bad loans

If. this is

or

other functions of the banking business.

correct

a

existence, it

seems

estimate of the

basic

reason

for

their

to me that it follows automatically that

emphasis in their handling should oe on the side of the
The first thing we

conservatism.

utmost

mind in their

use

is the ability

them.

Needless to say,

sophy must inevitably

should have in

promptly to convert them into

cash at, or within a few percent,

of the amount invested in

variations in degree in this philo¬

occur

due to the necessity of banks

housing themselves and hence having a certain amount of
fixed assets.

But I think all of

clusion that assets not
minimum.

While

it

us

would agree in the con¬

promptly convertible should be at
can

be

advanced

with

plausibility tnat varying conditions under

a

considerable

which

a

bank

operates justify a different approach to portfolio manage¬

versus

a

a

bank with

bank with

a

a

large amount of demand deposits

large amount of time deposits,

never¬

theless, I .personally, would feel that the basic community

/

\

say

instances during our recent hi^trory, their exist¬

ment, to wit,

that

capital, surplus and undivided profits

sense

bank's secondary reserve.

the

shortly.

When the value of the

pitiful

so

portfolio

When I

by vitue of the increased percentage of our assets thus

time

the

and

cases

Is the task of handling a

bank ta follow in normal times and prove a factor of safety

in

are

Bank's Portfolio" has always been one of

some

fundamental

some

securities in which the
Mr. Bradford's address follows:
a

in

results

President.

"Handling

question needs

that the

And

banking business.

points of view followed by banks the country over and the

Bradford became the City Bank Farmers thirteenth

Mr.

the

of

resulting in others.

1934 and in March of this year, when James
:

President Robert

Bank Farmers Trust Co., New York

disasters

By 1927 he was Assistant Vice
President, when he left to become Vice-President of the Farmers Loan &
Trust Co., which merged with the National City Bank in 1929.
Mr.
elected

39
39

39

Upon his discharge in

Lieutenant.

1919, Mr. Bradford entered the employ of the New

was

Service to Retiring

excellent

izing in the handling of trust investments.

Bradford

38

Fleming

He was in the Navy during the War,

commissioned Junior

of

Convention

Trade Council

Presentation of Silver
V.

of

Session"

"Banking

to

exploring is only too clear when we contemplate the different

following outline of his career:
Bradford

Invited

National Foreign

38
38

—

s'kInvestment Portfolio
naB

introducing Mr. Bradford, President Fleming gave

Mr.

y

Report of Committee on Nominations
Remarks of President-elect Tom K. Smith

By Lindsay Bradford, President City

connected with Hambleton & Co.

37

Special Resolutions..
Boston and Mexico City Extend Invitations for 1937 Conven¬
Members

36
37

-

E. Baum

A

In

37

Resolutions, by Thomas R. Preston.

36

Chairman of RFC

Report of Protective Committee, by James

on

tion

Commission, by Leonard P.

Policy

Economic

of

Report of Committee

31

Cutler.

Page

Council,

by Raymond Dunkerly

33
35

the Way Out? by Merle Thorpe._

Education, by Leland Whitman

Communication from Jesse H. Jones,

Report

24
28

Report of Official Acts and Proceedings of Executive

■

GENERAL SESSION.

Government and

Municipal Bonds

Investment Securities
1

Corporate Financing

Foreign Exchange
Travellers' Letters of Credit
issued jointly

with

BARING BROTHERS &

CO., LTD.

of London

KIDDER,

PEABODY

Members New York and Boston Stock

17
115 DEVONSHIRE

WALL STREET

•

f>

CO.

Exchanges

NEW YORK

ST.

1416

BOSTON

CHESTNUT ST.

PHILADELPHIA

Commercial Bankers
since

Wells

1852

Fargo Bank

Union Trust Co.
SAN
Member Federal

RESOURCES OVER $240,000,000




FRANCISCO
Deposit Insurance Corporation

CAPITAL, SURPLUS, AND UNDIVIDED PROFITS OVER $17,000,000

BANKERS'

12

CONVENTION.

responsibility undertaken by a bank in its acceptance of

of these

stray far from the more

banks

among

portfolios should be adminis¬
various policies that were followed, there

to how their

as

tered and of the

several that would appear to

were

stand out

somewhat

as

philosophy
along the lines that the capital funds and such other

typical of banking thought on this question. One
was

of

resources

bank

a

were

as

used in the portfolio should be

expected to yield a profit to the institution and I mean a
profit

and above the current rate of/interest ton the

over

securities in which the funds were invested, to
tive

part of wisdom to purchase
the

a

specula¬

The advocates of this system conceived it a

profit.

V

that

wit,

prices should go

bonds with a primary motive—
up^-either selecting speculative

bonds which would be favorably

affected by rising security

grada bonds of com¬
panies which apparently were on the up-grade and where
^the improvement in their individual cases would give a
better credit rating to their securities, and hence they would
prices in general, or second or third

sell

higher in the market.

Another school of though was

represented by those who' considered it expedient to seek
from
of

portfolio investments more than the going rate

their

for

return

and who,

money

therefore,

were

prone

to

purchase 6 and 7 % obligations in a money market where the

"Most of us
existed.
It
may well be said here that the impelling motive was fre¬
quently to invest their own funds at sufficiently high rates
prime credits were yielding perhaps 43^ to 5%.
probably have forgotten the time when that

differential

to make a

they

were

have

over

and above the amount of interest

deposits and while the motive may
understandable, the adoption of an unsound

paying

been

on

the
long run and as experience has shown, misfortune has
frequently been the outcome.
Even the commendable prin¬
ciple of diversification fails to safeguard the banker whose
desire is to get consistently more than the going rate.
The
unanimity of the decline and defaults in second and third
grade bonds during a depression is amazing to behold.
Both of these policies seem to me essentially and funda¬
mentally wrong.
So far as the speculative approach to the
problem is concerned, I am convinced that it is improbable
principal to achieve it is likely to result unfortunately in

that any of us can

speculate successfully, consistently, for

it is inconceivable that any of us are
tained intuition and
in which the
a

going to have the sus¬

judgment to speculate only in the years

speculation will

The bank, in theory, is

pay.

going institution of indefinite life and it is only by

develop¬

ing consistent policies that the management is going to carry
successfully through the ups and downs of a

on

Hence, unless

economic existence.

complicated

all maintain that we

second
grade securities only at exactly the right time, this whole
philosophy must break down as none of us would subscribe
to the theory that it is suitable for a bank to be managed so
are

(

we

geniuses enough to indulge in the ownership of

that it makes large

speculative profits one year and hopes

to be out of the bond

But the most

next.

theory

of

similar to

market and not take large losses the

important

speculative profits
that which

causes

reason

for condemning the

from the bond

portfolio is

the breakdown of the policy

by those who endeavored to invest their money

followed

consistently at

a

higher rate than that prevailing for con¬

servative securities.

.

Namely, the

very

time when capital

serving

be needed for their primary function of

funds may

would, in all
crisis,
speculative bonds would be at a substantial discount and
high coupon bonds of second grade credits would in many

as

a

guaranty to the depositors against loss

probability, be exactly the moment when due to a

cases

have defaulted.

within

a

them would

satisfaction
in

Therefore, their convertability at, or

reasonable percentage of, what had been
be likely to prove an

was

speculative

received 6

or

illusion indeed.

it to have made unusual and excessive

or

same




What
profits

second grade bonds in the 1920's or to have

7 % return from

second grade credits when in

the time of stress and strain of recent years,
of these

paid for

the pursuance

policies resulted in a depreciated bond account

At the very time when
capital funds intact to carry out our

policies proved disastrous.
needed

most

we

conservative principles.

there has been-a definite divergence of policy

In the past,

our

justifiable indict¬

obligations to our depositors, one of the

against

ments

the funds were not
had violated the very essence of their
that in

us was

Some of

there.

us

many cases

bank failures would have been avoided

and I

certain that many

am even more

figures

would
substantial
worries and
banks

the part of. the executives of many

on

which did not fail would have been

servative

recent troubles

our

estimate, but that the number is

not venture to
am sure

in

depreciation in bond portfolios I

had there been no

liarassments

How many

convertibility.

handling, namely, their prompt

I

pursuit

When the test came, the

running from 30 to 50%?

deposits puts the burden of proof upon those who would

avoided ha'd more con¬

Apropos of this, the actual

policies obtained.

losses and depreciation on investments for

on

the

1930 to 1933, inclusive according to the annual report
the Federal Reserve Board, totaled something over a

years

of

discouraging for a

I know of nothing more

billion dollars.

board of directors o£ a bank or
for the officers who have to

perhaps

irksome

even more

recommend it to the board of

the year's

directors, than to take a substantial amount of

the portfolio to the
market, a necessary procedure which—even disregarding
recent banking history—has been far too usual.
It is not
earnings and apply it in writing down

issued some
bankers of the
country against investing their funds in certain classes of.
securities, securities somewhat in the category of those upon
which I have jijst commented.
The thought which insti¬
gated his ruling persumably arose, although I hastily say I
have no specific information on the subject, from the fact

long

that the Comptroller of the Currency

ago

regulations containing prohibitions for the

widespread indulgence

that his examination still showed a too

the

in

^hese presently prohibited bonds. It
that the Comptroller had cause to

purchase of

to me regretable

appears

think that this

ruling

much the

thing

same

To

necessary.

was
as

the president of

a

it would be

me,

bank instructing

vice-presidents not to make any bad loans.

his

But there is another type of

while not

spbject to

so

portfolio management which,

much criticism

as

the methods I have

sufficient specula¬
unacceptable to many of us

previously mentioned, has nevertheless
tive

aspects to it to make it

As it is the method

according to best banking standards.
which most of

have followed in greater or less degree,

us

refer

the general theory of a

to

versus

short

a

term

in

and

I
I

its desirability.

think it bears the closest scrutiny as to

long term bqnd policy as

general,

to

the

practice of

endeavoring to reap trading profits by virtue of

successful

I said earlier that the dif¬
under which banks, operate inevitably give

forecasting of the interest^rate.
ferent conditions
some

theoretical

leeway in carrying out in a practicaly way a

And- I think it is in

perfection of portfolio management.
connection with

long term bond policy with the accompany¬

a

would have its greatest

ing maturity risk that such variation

Most of us were in the banking business in the early
1920's when Norfolk & Western 4s of 1996 sold at 67.

play.

credits

other competent

Obviously,
same

When

basis.

we

selling

were

only

19% above par, we get a dramatic example in
and

a

on

the

picture this bond today selling at
a

decade

possibilities of price variations in even the

half of the

highest standing credits, and hence, the extent of a maturity
risk as such. - While I believe that a maturity risk, namely a

speculation in the interest rate, is a lesser evil in portfolio
management than a credit risk—to

wit, buying anything
even the ma¬

security—I believe

except the highest grade

Of

turity risk should be reduced to a minimum.
of the fatal hazards of such a

the commercial demand for

necessitate
necessary

liquidation of

Thus,

of

it

mercial

probable

seems

other

time when

reason,

might

of our portfolio to provide the

a

seems

response

to the money

market.

clear that a commercial bank with com¬

demands

luctuations of

v

some

or some

would have tended toward a depreciated price
the

loanable funds

funds it

credit

course, one

very

funds, would presumably be the time when a long

term credit

because

risk is that the

at

at

certain times of the

year

and excess

other times, should certainly avoid the

long term credit.

With such

excess

loanable

equally reasonable tliat an institution

with

a

SESSION.

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earning nothing for any extended period of
time. And even if they perchase had the patience of Job,
the constant prickings of their executive committees generally have had a tendency to shake their faith in their acumen
and in their economic wisdom. It almost always results in
going back, ipto the market again at about the same or
higher levels.
In the past, the methods of buying bonds for the portfolio have differed enormously among various institutions,
In many cases, skilled and experienced security men have
been employed to supervise actively the portfolio management, and obviously this seems to be—by the very nature
of things—entirely desirable. In hundreds of other cases,
however, the buying of bonds has been done by individuals
who had but little knowledge of bonds in general or the
usual methods of evaluation, and who made but little
pretense of such knowledge or ability. It has always been
of interest to me that a banker who in making a straight
commercial loan of $5,000 would be most punctilious in his
examination-of the proposed borrower and the purposes for*
which he wanted the funds and the exact method he contemplated using in paying the loan back, would in the next
few minutes make an investment of $10,000 or $15,000 in a
security which he had perhaps not heard of until informed
of it over the telephone and about which Jhe would know
little or nothing. The inconsistency of such performances in
the use of depositors' money cannot be defended. If the
size and earning power of any particular institution makes
impossible the employment of a man skilled in this phase of

reasonable perthe
a quick liquidation would be less likely to arise,
the important element, and at such periods in

see our money

relatively stable portfolio in size can have a
centage of

necessity of
and this is
our

such portfolio in long term credits where

have

available

on

embarking

based

skepticism

my

buying

to me,

wisdom
portfolio is

to the

the fact that such an approach to the

on

seems

as

loiig term bond policy in a

problem may

similar security at 115 and still

a

And such depreciation,

owning it .when it is selling at 70.
it

Obviously, I

suitable return basis.

level but

on a

often result in

as

a

quarrel with the purchase of high-grade long term

no

bonds at the 70%
of

that the investment appears

bond market fluctuations
be

to

the risk
safeguard
non-fluctuating capital and

it is not suitable for a bank to run

incurring when the real function of a bank us to

of

its

dejiositors by maintaining a

surplus.
I have
on

here, "except that it is all right for it to

the up

am sure

fluctuate

side," still another method of operation

all of

us

have pursued

the last few years,

in many cases we

repurchase at

a

that I

with indifferent success during

has been that of trading in

Government securities.

say

short term

"indifferent success" because

have sold out and taken the

profit only to

If I seem to speak somewhat

higher level.

desultory
Our
judgment has not proved infallible, as regards our ability to
gauge
accurately money conditions and marketing conauthoritatively here, it is perhaps due to some
experiences

ditions
cases

even

along this

line in our own institution.

six months

or

a

year

where bankers have divested

ahead.

13

-

I have known

themselves of their entire

Government portfolio, and I hasten to say this
determination to leave
the money idle indefinitely/unless the opportunity arrived
to invest the funds again at a lower level of prices.
These
bankers comforted themselves with the fact that the 2%

banking, or if entirely disinterested and sound advice on
the subject is not available from some other source, I would
suggest that such institution limit its portfolio to Government

considered a 1% income for the
next two years.
They have sat happily basking in their
brilliance for perhaps the first month after their sale of the
bonds but it is more of a strain than most of us can bear to t

principles, I am nevertheless conscious of the fact Jhat the
present situation of bank portfolios the country over presents
a current problem of huge proportions and one that is
entirely new to American banking. I refer, of course, to the

short term

is not

a

personal experience, with the

premium obtained could be




bonds and small variations in quality therefrom,
While I have talked thus far along the lines of

general

or
10V

Western Business

ROCKER

FIRST

NATIONAL
BANK

OF

Member

Federal

Deposit

SAN

Insurance

FRANCISCO

Corporation

14

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

fact that whereas in

accustomed to

the

ments,

portfolios in the past

our

having perhaps

investment

average

approximate 40%.

The

commercial paper

as

we

holdings of
are

yourselves.

have been

in the past, the probable

assets in invest-

our

for this

reasons

knowledgeable audience

a

20% of

banks

not

today

had various data

obvious to such

There is

a

reasonable

this situation has^tended to make the banks resort to the

the

profitable

security market.

use

in Government securities due to the
as

result of the substantial

a

few

this

lack

increase

in financing the Government, deficit.
commercial

loan, demand

portfolios is

our

a

banking situation, I would not
exists

by
of

a

•

with its

change in

permanent

venture to say.

aspects of

make

must

us

eventuate over

necessity for

borrowing,

keep the question before

folio point of view would be

can

make what

our

think

we

portfolios and have

decision

of which

some reason

we may

take actions which materially affect

With these additional elements to face,

portfolios plus the controlled

our

ever

to follow

policy which limits to

a

more

very

a

portfolio.

least

If only because of the lack of other available
inevitable that the larger proportion of all

continuing

be in governments.

bank from the port-

a

us

handling of

if

now

large degree the risk of serious variation in the value of the

ihit shpuld

us.

the next few years that this is a

cpndition, the difficulties of running

at

not

credit market superseding to some extent the

our

essential than

manufacture, resulting in less necessity for large inventories
less

may

any

was

natural play of economic forces, I think it becomes

up

corporations, the existence of the present quick means
transportation, and the actuality of improved methods of
consequently,

ignorant,

the money market.

our

and

within

error

to have grave consequences

as

namely the increased size of

At least it

The facts of the large surpluses built

present.

well be

our

margin of

conclusions thrown completely awry due to a

our

resultant

in

his

by those in authority who, for

Whether

of

years

wise decisions for the

are

the last

over

least

existing, I submit that all of

was

large amount available

borrowing done

At

upon

to what

as

But at the present time with the machinery

wrong.

It has been the fact that up until
of investment

time.

likely to be great 'enough

for their deposits, namely

recently at least the most available form

credit

conclusion

sane

the trend of the money market was likely to be

and demand for commercial loans, and

other most obvious

the supply and demand of

on

which he could rely to form a

lack of

market has

of the money

course

always been entirely clear but the thinking banker has

all know

substantially enhanced and I

the

They do give

premiums

subscribe to the

our

paper,

minus yield but

a

as we

represented by the rights

are

securities, but there is going to

new

it is

holdings should

to

come a

would

expect greater managerial emphasis on this end of ..." time, I assume, when those
rights will have no value. With
banking to exhibit itself.
To indicate the potentialities of
the shortest term government bonds giving a minus yield,
the situation—if a bank with a
$1,000,000 of capital funds
it would be an extreme policy indeed to advocate/having
and $10,000,000 of deposits now has
40% of its assets, or
only the shortest term governments, thus actually costing

$4,400,000 in the security markets, only a 5% variation in
price would deplete the capital funds by more than 20%.
I recite this to

emphasize the

grave consequence

of

small variation in the level of the bond market and
a

greater seriousness of the problem

size of the portfolio grows.
no means

in

use

rules

in

And the

we

are

facing

perplexities

new

under

portfolio but
which

we

more

are

serious

ones

playing the

Of

With the longer

basis to yield slightly

having potentialities of variation in price in

the

as
are

by

new

course,

over

risk.

I make

effort whatever to

no

the risk

or

I

indicated, it

have

money

market

an

or

we

effort

we

me

can

period of time rather than

that

reasons

philos-

a

follow with confidence

philosophy of expediency

a

to

For the

must have

estimate the duration of

the likely time element involved in

possible Federal Reserve actions tending toward control.
For the

reasons

must have

Washington, D. C.

to

seems

which would involve

Banking Service

prophesy the extent of

the time element involved.

ophy of management which

our

I

3%, and because of their maturity

a greater or less
degree, the question arises whether the yield is worth the

over a

in

to be in business.

money every year

term corporation credits of the highest rating selling on a

hence,

exist in the

game.

us

a very

confined to the additional
percentage of our assets

our

v

a

that I have

indicated, it

with confidence

over

a

ophy of expediency which

would involve

time

element

involved,

and

today

market

possibility

tending toward control.

follow

we can

period of time, rather than

to estimate the duration of our
money

actions

to me that we

seems

philosophy of management which

philos¬

a

effort

an

the likely

or

Federal

Reserve

In getting better than

a

minus return,

Riggs National Bank

therefore, and in refusing to undertake the

risks

The

in

inherent

long maturity, it

a

to

seems

that

me

a

permanent policy of serial maturities is the only answer to
our

problem with

ably the suitable

present inflated portfolios, and prob¬

our

answer

if

even

changes in

our

banking

situation tend to result in returning to a more normal rela¬

welcomes the opportunity to

Bankers, their clients and

serve

friends

tionship between loans and investments and the size

234

money at

had

Nation's Capital

a

were

or

3% today, they well remember that they

market in 1921, to select another
extreme, when

buying the best long term credits

I indicate this* only to show that

Fleming

George O. Vass

President and

Vice-President

Chairman of the Board

and Cashier

over

$100,000,000

Founded 1836
X

Member Federal Deposit Insurance
Corporation




5 to

they

6% basis.

they have to look at their

ing the return and estimating the performance

period of time.
we

a

long

While appreciating entirely that the

con¬

face from the

point of view of

our

over

demand deposits

differentiate us entirely from the insurance
companies, I
nevertheless believe that in handling the bank portfolio we
must

,

on a

problem from the point of view of investing their money at
the going rate at the time the funds are available and
averag¬

ditions

Resources

our

While the insurance companies do not like to invest their

in the

Robert V.

of

portfolios is cut down.

develop the

same

investment

insurance company buyer has.
I

assume

he must have this trend of

going rate for
today is

money

1M%> and

investment, I think

trend of thought as the

I have

never

thought.

been one, but

If the

average

in the prime credits from 1 to 10
we

our

have

years

adopted the serial plan of

point of view must be that

accept that return in the hope that

as our

we

will

early maturities

,

we

paid off,

are

that

time

will be reinvesting at

a

higher rate and our

at

which looks

return

average

dis¬

so

thus

will

today,

couraging

15

SESSION.

GENERAL

in¬

be

creased.
I should like to be able to suggest

cover

the

which

management

portfolio

is

complicated

far

would

However,

contingency.

every

question

TRADITIONALLY

to be followed in

simple rules

some

BANKERS' BANK

to do

to attempt

even

A

broad and

too

this but I do think if those of us who

charged with this important duty

are

have in mind certain basic

will

it

tend

keep

to

us

middle of the road than
in the past.

ophies

The Chase National Bank is

advocate with

A

From

con¬

fidence:
to high grade credits.
In other words,

Limit the maturity risk.

2.

own

long-term bonds that you do

any

never own

one

of its guiding policies has

development of correspondent bank-

ing relations. For years it has served thousands

pwn at as

nearly the bottom of the market as possible,
and

inception,

been the

1.j Confine the portfolio
,

bankers' bank.

a

have been

we

traditionally

the

Among such basic philos¬

would

I

principles

nearer

of the

very many.

country's leading banks.

Be satisfied with the going rate of return

3.

high grade credits.

on

Do

4.

with

The Chase is

put emphasis on increased earn¬

not

(Taken

ings from capital gains in the portfolio.

—the efficient way

secured.)
5.

portfolio

the

Confine

securities

to

promptly marketable.

serially over a limited period.

One

is

to

of return

lower rate

a

bankers have in the past
take from their

to

money

—the

give

t

have
not

—its value in many matters

in

our

I

proverbial.

ability always
should

be

business

I

do not
in

are

the

CHASE

NATIONAL
OF

banking
is, if

taken in
Most of

ducting the business.

tfeve

THE

the

why

see

do not think it

safeguards

proper

to the

and

BANK

operate profit a l)ly

to

inherent

and

correspondents.

of railroad earnings

and downs

ups

to

sold in

were

class,

a

as

important

are

history when

this country to yield a profit

manufacturers,

where its size,

There

years.

enough automobiles

are

prestige and connections

The steel industry,

been times

country.

the present,

the problem, this does not

me concern.

section of the

manage¬

But from the

such, has had losing

as

knowledge of credit, business and

financial conditions in every

point of view that I think it is proper
to .gauge

friendly cooperative spirit of its official

staff and its

than many

portfolio

rates.

corre¬

promulgate

been willing

during periods such as
low

daily transactions of its

spondents.

ment, and hence, lower bank earnings

of

in which it handles the

accompani¬

such conservative policy

endeavored

have

I

inevitable

the

of

ments of any
as

routine
tends to

portfolio so that it

the

Invest

6.

mature

outstanding because of

inadvertently

if

however,

pleasure,

CITY

THE

Member Federal

OF

NEW

YORK

Deposit Insurance Corporation

con¬

us

Avill

to admit that the bankers of this

have

country

in

recent

years

lost

considerable of their traditional stand¬

ing.

Whereas in the past, the banker

has been

r

respected for his probity and

his wisdom and his unselfish interest in community affairs,

depositors.

events

deposits

to

occurring in the last few

change his

standing,

although in

majority of the cases, unjustly.
to say now

have had

years

I

am

that

as

community.
among us
we

a

opinion in the

my

or

by outside agencies, but if

record of bank failures which have taken
me

body

we

have something to

Evidently

there

was

a

tendency

not here to attempt

justified this changed feeling is

has been inflamed

a

how much it

we

look at the

place, it
answer

certain

seems

to

for to the
percentage

who failed to appreciate fully the fiduciary capacity

occupy

toward

our

depositors.

much during the past 15 years

institutions,

forgetting that




our

Perchance

we

thought too

of making money for our

first obligation is

to

the

was

If

this

shareholders,
present.

we

did fail to appreciate that the safety of

of more importance than dividends for the
is

Therefore,

carrying out

a

more

reason

for

need not be concerned

or

caution

at

troubled by

portfolio management policy where

our

first

the safety of the funds which have been

consideration is

deposited in

the

all

we

our

care.

A policy of greater conservation,

greater liquidity, will result in better service to the com¬

munity,

fewer

financial

prosperity for the banks
will better carry out

and,

period of

therefore,
years.

their important share in

life and the banker will
esteem of

disasters
over a

-

greater

The banks

our

economic

again take his rightful place in the

the community.

*

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

16

Make Haste Slowly
By Leroy A. Lincoln, President Metropolitan Life Insurance Co., New York, N. Y,
I

delighted

am

to be

address you.

to

sion, that
to

also

over

and that

people.

By

and for

the

Both are conceived

common.

on

scale

huge

a

and

the

of

prosperity

by

they

why

in

we

allied

two

lines

There

all

If

'activities toward

business

all

to the

directed if

be

must

it

I11

the

those

business

turned

is

confirmed

would

today

the

only as the public prospers.

long run,

every

affect the public welfare.

which

It is

through these

continuing determination and an

a

Such

take advantage

conditions

general
which

situation,
in

we

and

discuss

to

life

the

insurance

with the

numerous

contacts

company,

for example, there

located

throughout

business-

insurance

with

you

business,

States and

In our

Canada.

their

to

today

are

cross-seetion of the urban
to

as

warrant

of

some

in

us

employees

other

of

public.

Our contacts

attempting

to

the prevailing conditions in

weight

com-

our

intimate touch with

very

Of

first

satisfactory

condition.

I

people

that, in spite of depression

this

that
of

been

never

well

to

or

At

over

any

60 years

been

limited to

tame

It

any

affects

the

added

to

life

the

indicate

the

on

physical

small

is

110

is

the

stamina

matter

to every

of

when

we

subject

the

find

no

American

evidence

people.

health

other human activity.

In

reflected in
our

,

whole,

we

can

department

every

registered
which

lives

well

the

group

the life

companies

the

Metropolitan

we

a

recently

have

In the com-

American

people is

insurance

expression

again rising, and

the

011

is

now

Ten billions of this amount repreon

of

large

numbers

enlightened

of

employees—an

industrial

Among policy holders whose premiums

are

relations,

paid weekly

or

legislation

against

are

their de-

designed to

other hazards, under
.,

,

.

.

authority,

pioneers

who

Federal

whether

a

measure-

State,

or

security

of social

In early anticipation of probable

first

our

company

investigated

was~ainong

governmental

pro-

existed in this

in

insurance

over

a

long

period

to

focus

of

years

order

we

to

coun-

Our operations in the pension field have
attention

on

the

desirability

of

suitable

In these and other ways

have sought to be helpful to those who have been interin the broad field

of

social insurance,

consideration

of

one's mind the old English maxim,
I have

no

this

subject

brings

"Make haste

to

slowly."

doubt that these words, or their equivalent, were

y»used iixjhty proverbs of many ancient

In\

recovery.

whole, the face value of the insurance




as

highs in the amount of insurance in force,

$103,000,000,000.

eloquent

in

definite evidences of

very

of

as

sponsorship.

Any long-range

,

aggregates close to $21,000,000,000.

as a

of

about

new

now

panies

sent

see

as

lives

whose

the field of

ested

the records of the life insurance business.

company,

security

financial protection for the aged.

This

consider how essential

country

of themselves and of

considering current

of responsible

served

to

Substantial gains in the economic well-being of the people
are

a

when

tries in this field.

permanently adverse effect of the depression

any

of

this

voluntary
There are

security.

understand the results of the experiments of other

birth,

expectation, at

Students

in

,

social

two

since _1929.

in

country. #We have followed the movement in

entire

over

social

grams abroad and such private programs as

the average length of life is

for the American people, and

provision

factor of tremendous importance to be borne

those

stratum

one

people

for the American people.

particularly impressive is

section.

one

the present

have

years

is not

such

and quite

huge

a

public interest in these questions,

measured by the death rate,

What is

better.

phenomenon

society

Nation.

people,

of

the protection

pose

conditions long continued, the
as

our

110

normally subjected,

making,

of

in the direction of effecting

at this time

report

In

evidences

We find ourselves quite in accord with the avowed pur-

to be in a very

seems

able to

am

still

are

program

any

governmental

physical state of
has

for

provide compulsory

the light of our busi-

importance, it is gratifying to brlnf testimony

that the general health of the

and

63,000,000

in mind

interpret

relations.

ness

such

pendents,

are so many

and

there

are

insured for

large

a

world

in the aggregate, constitutes

They

Close

and

to pro-

individual plans for protection—provision which,

own

pany

agents

the

have made,

try

back-log

necessarily in

of years,

period

of life to which families are

include persons of every economic level and social stratum.

50,000

long

a

In greater or less degree millions of families in our coun-

27,500,000 policy holders

are

in

country

hazards

very

our

over

voluntary provision to cover the various contingencies and

things

some

from

other

the

on

public, have observed.

United

the

throw

can

people,

American

the

that

vide for the financial protection of their families.

of this occasion to show what light certain

in the life

business is

insurance

initiative and

own

I would like to

which the country lias experienced.

their

and

perhaps more than any other, have learned, through their

larly pertinent at this time after the six or seven difficult
years

themselves

of

care

,

life

the

review is particu-

a

take

Another fact which is demonstrated by the experience of

desir-

often to take stock of conditions

so

to

other

demon-

seem^ to

families.

prosper,

ability

corner

in

Many indicators in

people have come

the American

troublesome times with

public welfare is,- perhaps, a bit more intimate

Nevertheless, all business is public service and
the

to

ago.

years

have

which

conclusion

a

insurance

life

increasing

in

ex-

relation

in

nearly 10

of

people

American

the

strate that

and direct than is the case in many other fields of business,

able, therefore,

for

company,

our

for policy loans

lines of business, including your own.

is to justify its

can

years,

judge from the experience of the life insurance

economically,

The relationship of banking and of insur-

existence at all.

time.

some

demand

comparable with

one may

companies,

people is the great objective toward

our

declining for

to levels

goal—the public good.
of

number of

a

the. amounts subject to such demand lias lately been down

business

of

for

been

have

Demands for policy loans and cash surrenders have

liiglis.

the country

raising the standard of living of the people.

Welfare

.

than

ample, the actual

savings

exchange views and dedicate our

which

foundation

The premium income of the life companies is reaching new

activity and are

same

ance

There are other evidences from the insurance record that

been

reason

families of

in the

are

volume of new writings

the American people'are today 011 a much better economic

people into pro-

every

a

opportunity to allude to

thrift

for

whom

larger

strong disposition and ability to preserve and increase

a

of the

instrumentalities

of

and

we

channels, they maintain economic

ductive

should

the

accumulated

all

find

earners,

their insurance equities.

occa-

protect the economic status of the American

encouraging

directing the

basic

I welcome this

practically

wage

business of life insurance

gives me an

of banking have in

to further and

is

it

points of view which

some

monthly,

particular joy to me, 011 this occa-

deliberations.

your

because

and to have this opportunity

here

a

good friend, Mr. Fleming, lias the honor

my very

preside

sion

It is

r

peoplerth order to emphasize,

as well as modern

in apparently contradictory

terms, one of the basic rules of successful accomplishment

How shall
tions?

we

May

apply this maxim to these present-day ques-

we

not,

with

considerable propriety, consider

the applicability of this old adage to the current movement

for advances along the whole broad line of what has
to be called social betterment?

the suitability of
population

as

some measure

to those

come

Probably few people deny

of protection for the whole

inescapable hazards against

it is not feasible, for the majority of the people to

which

protect

GENERAL SESSION.
themselves

by the exercise of their

established

instrumentalities

of

initiative through

own

their

17

It

choosing.

own

not be inappropriate to remind ourselves, in this con¬

may

Chartered 1864

nection, of somewhat collateral steps in the common inter¬
est

which

have

For instance,

been

one

taken

civilization

as

developed.

has

cite police protection, public health

may

administration, and laws in behalf of the. weaker members
of society.

spiration

All these, in their last analysis, find their in¬

motives

in

similar

to

which

those

dis¬

are

we

cussing.
If

current

which

ress

to

are

we

these

give enlightened

problems, let
made

was

consideration

to

some

of

measured prog¬

us examine the

respecting somewhat parallel

ques¬

CHARACTER—ability—integrity and
■'Vv; ■''"
human
•

tions during the past few decades.

Naturally, I turn to

our

Examples

social

conception has proved itself

spread
social

acceptance

than

In

through

the

this

this

light

progress

ance.

has made

on

of

medium,

I doubt if any

worthy of wide¬

more

what

can

might

be

now

understanding

qualities in
which

is

men

to

who direct

function

essential

are

v

.

.

.

•

organization

an

smoothly and do the

of good.

greatest amount

accomplished

that

suppose

'^

'

greater contribution to

a

of protection through life insur¬

one

■'

business of life insurance to

own

illustrate that real progress is made slowly.
4

abundant.

are

prin¬

the

sucli

TWELVE

men are

selected

to

direct the

ciple of family and other insurance protection would have
received
is

as

early and

the

universal acceptance.

However, sound

principle in the abstract, desirable

would

it

as

be if every bread-winner were adequately insured, progress
toward

rapid

the

as

general

of life insurance has not been

use

might

now

one

Perhaps

suppose.

that the economic complexion of the country was not
the

to

scattered

in

For

whatever

realize

some

80% of the population

agricultural pursuits

communication

the

facilities

sense

of

security

comfort

first

at

was

life

which

enjoyment in order to

or

premiums required to

of

of

the

the

even

some

is

of the few companies in

one

necessaries

Early

country

which devotes

its

whole effort in

managing and conserving estates and property

The Board is made

exclusively.

following twelve

of

life

in

of

case

life

the

-

up

of the

men:

could

passing

be able to set aside the

forms of

the

to

slow

insurance

it

which is unique in

Edward G. Baetjer

Venable,

for dependents some continu¬

assure

bread-winner.

transport

our

that

v

was

under-developed.

so

public

the

reason,

when

and

were

give; slow to accustom itself to the denial of

ance

suited

propagation of the life insurance idea in the early

days when, for instance,

and

as

Deposit and Trust Company

of Baltimore—a company

was

reason

one

affairs of Safe

Baetjer

&

Howard

death

insurance

were

Charles H. Babcock

Reynolds & Co.

simple and the technique of salesmanship developed slowly.

Gradully,

idea

the

as

achieved

wider

understanding

and

William G. Baker, Jr_ _Baker, Watts & Co.

popularity, efficiency in salesmanship increased and policy
forms became
One

more

benefit

demonstrated
conditions.
were

and

after

its

soundness

Policies

"added,

was

and

became

serviceable.

more

adaptable to wider needs.

more

another

adaptability to
desirable

more

Then,

they

^•ahd

and later of group health and accident insurance

group annuities,

tion

and

more

had

made possible

of the business to social
more

accustomed to the

The public became

idea

that life

insurance

definite place in every family budget.

a

The volume of life insurance in force in the United States
has grown slowly and surely, not in "fits and starts."
many years the increase has averaged between
per

The amount in force per capita,

year.

social

stable and
of the very
as

has

all

The contribution of

slow

as

the less

fact that it

been

usefulness
ment

$800.

progress,

the

must

widens

it

liable to

8% and 9%

for the entire

the vision

business toward

our

seem,

sudden

is

all

the

reverses,

by virtue

President of United

States

Fidelity & Guaranty Co.

Lyman Delano

Chairman of the

Board of

Atlantic Coast Line R. R. Co.

Robert Garrett

...Robert Garrett &
Sons

Norman James.
■

c

President of James
Lumber Co.

-

J. Edward Johnston.

Capitalist

.

Blanchard Randall/

Gill & Fisher

Splendid

of

lie

Asbury Davis.

more

not hastily achieved.

was

progress

surely

might

E.

For

population $vas $100 in 1900, just under $400 in 1920, and
is no\^ about

President of Safe

Deposit and Trust Co. of Baltimore

wider contribu¬

yet

a

progress.

of Baltimore National Bank

George C. Cutler

25 years ago, plans for

some

Chairman of the

Board

chaining

because

wholesale distribution through the system of group life in¬
surance,

Howard Bruce.

experience

as

life

insurance,

ahead.

Each

still

level

toward other levels

of

greater

Charles E. Rieman

attain¬

President of Western
National Bank

beyond.

Take another example of the gradual gain in public
fayor
of

what

now

seems

an

incontrovertible

to child labor, against which
in a
"

proposal.

I

campaign prolonged for fully

a

generation.

Not

the ratio to the whole population, but even the actual

ber,

of children up to 16 in all

of the

various

since 1900.

700,000,

or

fewer

By 1930 the number
than




there

had been

was

only
num¬

industries,

trades, &c., combined, has been declining according to
census

refer

great progress has been made

JfaU Jfeposit and grost Crr.
—OF

BALTIMORE—

13 SOUTH STREET

every

actually below

among

the smaller

The Oldest Trust

Company in Maryland

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

18

Excluding

population as far back as two generations dgo.

agriculturef the number of children in gainful occupations
was 700,000 back in 1900, and by 1930 was down to a bare
200,000.

employed in this

shows

1900.

In 30 years the percentage
The 1930 census

70% of all young people five to 20 years of age as
contrast with less than

attending school, in
and

just one-tenth of the corre¬

1% to one-tdntji of 1%.

60% in 1910

has been made in providing better work¬

Great progress

One

conditions.

clean
rule

need

contrast

the

light,

airy,

factories and workshops which are the

and sanitary

with those

today

only

recall

we can

as

bxisting only

a

generation ago when little attention was paid to comfort
and

These improved conditions were

working conditions.

minimum standard

by law to comply with at least a

of safety and sanitation,

number of employers

various entirely

productive
measured

as

working
is

a

which

were

measure

veys

in

a

of

reduction

comprehensive

any

its progress.

Consider
and

represented by increased leisure,
standard

the

more

full-time

recent years.

statistics

This

since long before

with

which

to

The latest Federal Government sur¬

show reductions in the standard

group

large

the increased "social dividend" of

through comparatively

work-week since 15

of from two to as many as 12 hours a week,

to 20 years ago
in

the

the increased

"social dividend" in another

striking form—the increased

volume and wider

dispersion of physical goods throughout the whole popula-

increased

automobiles

two passenger

provide

Housing has greatly

"real wages"

Average

many-fold.

devices

opportunities for

greater

the purchasing power in terms of goods
by money wages, had, before the

commanded

and services

The actual

since 1900.

expanded a full third

and manufactured product

of mineral, agricultural

capita, available for consumption, has expanded corre¬

per

Of course, the depression interrupted much of

spondingly.
the

up-trend in

item

of

social and economic well-being, but the

our

for services has nevertheless main¬

compensation

tained,

that

depression,

the

throughout

two-thirds

same

1929.

share in the total national income which is enjoyed in

attributable to mechanical

Better standards of living are
invention

and

them

to

are

women

A

of

percentage

greater

in industrial,

commercial

For both reasons more

pations.

men

our

and

other gainful occu¬

or

goods and more services

produced and afforded for consumption and enjoy¬

be

ment

improved technique in manufacture, but not

alone.

by the public.
much

There has been

expansion in the services rendered

While

by the various units of government in this country.

holding to the theory that government should perform only
which

functions

those

cannot

be

otherwise

satisfactorily

fulfilled, we must agree that much of government's expan¬
sion of services
such

services,

can

be justified apd, in respect to many

of

Never¬

would not take a backward step.

we

theless, since government is not organized to engage in pro¬
duction, in

of important industries.
also

have

in this country, or

depression,

and

labor

the

of I our

majority

the

11 persons in this country.

lessen

leisure

can

trend that has been going on quietly

there

a

materially excel the legal standards in

economy

week

while

voluntary ways.

that part of

Consider
our

States today the backward

In most

employer is compelled

by

made in

been

have

enjoyed

said to be

are

not required to demon¬

are

that

improved in comfort and the number of mechanical

provided not only, because it was right, but because it was
profitable .to do so.

comfort

There

volume

barely half in 1900.

ing

of

for every

advances

great

standards

people.

was

sponding percentage in
had declined from

the

of age

10 years of age who were gainfully

group,

Elaborate statistical data

strate

to the

In 1930 the ratio of children over 10 years

employed in the manufacturing and mining group,
total of all persons over

tion.

ment

and

the ordinary sense, each addition to a govern¬

payroll not only takes out of the production of goods
of

out

and workers the
ber

of

has

come

by the

private service, every person employed

government, but also places upon

the remaining producers

responsibility of supporting a greater num¬

Expansion

non-producers.

services

in government

gradually, and the mounting cost of government

has had to

be niet

by slow and painful adjustment in the

citizen's personal budget.
Since 25 years ago public employees have

nearly doubled,

whereas gainful

workers generally have increased by only

about pne-half.

In 1910 the percentage of employees of our

various

governments

while in 1936 it is

IN OREGON

Even

I

it's the

NATIONAL BANK
Five

complete

Portland
strategic points

units

and twelve others at

in

throughout Oregon enable
afford a banking service of

still

am

was

4.8%,

referring to governments in the aggre¬

gate—Federal, State and local—not to

STATES

UNITED

workers

startling is the growth of government expendi¬

more

tures.

gainful

total

to

6.4%.

particular

any

arm

of government.
much

So
that
our

we

of

may

our

taxation today

governmental expenditures—Federal,

The

following

tabulation,

invisible

is indirect and

not always appreciate the full

partly

weight of all

State

estimated,

and local.

furnished

is

to me:

to
state¬

us

wide proportions.

P. C. Tax

P. C. Govt.

Tax

110 Millions

1890..
1913

1919 (war)...
1925
1930

1936

The

TT

United Stales
National Bank*
Broadway and Si?tih. at Stark.




huge

quarter

Portland, Oregon
MEMBER

FEDERAL DEPOSIT

INSURANCE CORPORATION

enues,

to "National

to "National

Income"

increase

of all

.

7.1

6.1

7.0

5.9

7.9

10.6

33.0

9.3

•

13.1

14.1

18.4

16.7

28.8

expenditures in
times

as

to

emphasize

haste

slowly in placing

cause

of the borrowing,

heavy government

appreciated.
must

citizens'

new

the

importance of

obligations

on

rev¬

govern¬

making

the people.

Be¬

the increase in the burden of this

expenditure has not

so

far been fully

But the day of reckoning comes

necessarily be

earnings

the last

by declining

has occasioned such prodigious increases in

mental^ debts

^There

such

accompanied at

century,

Expenditures

7.2

$855,000,000
$875,000,000
1,570,000,000
1,382,000,000
2,187,000,000 2,919,000,000
7,465,000,000 23,000,000,000
7,884,000,000 11,126,000,000
10,266,000,000 13,428,000,000
10,000,000,000 17,300,000,000

1903

invited on matters per¬
taining to business, agriculture and
finance in Oregon.
Inquiries

Collections

Expenditures

Income"

Resources Over

Government

Collections

Fiscal Years

which

a

ultimately.

limit to the percentage of the

can

be

taken

by

government.

19

GENERAL SESSION.
Whenshall

that

reach

we

maximum,

capacity

reserve

Whence will come

ability to pay even the interest on the debt, if the cost

the

of government shall already have

the running expenses

of

what

have left for later emergency?

we

Nevertheless,

faced today with many schemes to

are

we

that

in

budgets—charges

permanent charges to governmental
natural

the

of events

course

We

diminish.

rather than

must

will

inevitably grow

sympathize with,

all

and

support, reasonable forms of public aid to needy old people.
But before

impose an unbearable and permanent burden

we

national

future

the

on

it

income,

behooves

tax, but for the sake of those very individuals who
be

Is

beneficiaries.

its

lavish

generosity
which

taxation

now,

there

entirely

may

not

a

add

may

wre

think

to

us

those who must pay the

soberly not only for the sake of

top

of

burden

future

to take

ability

destroy our

should
by

that,

danger
a

than

and

one

half times,

a

while

reduction of the age

a

from 65 to 55 multiplies the cost by

nearly two and a half

times.

reached the limit which its citizens can bear?

add

multiplies the first year's cost as of 1934 by more

60

to

shows, to reduce the pension age from 65

above table

the

presumed to lay before you and abstruse prin¬

I have not

ciples,

anything particularly new in either fact or prin¬

nor

ciple.

I

well

over

trations which

I

social

are

history,

would

effort

to

I

well known.
the

aid those

have

familiar

examples

discourage

not

and

development

the

unless

we

of those who are the real objects of our

suggested, and without reference to their possible

ultimate

but

cost,

to all

deduct

security.

of a monthly pen¬
and then to

65 years of age and over;

of age and over, and then to those 55 years

is made

No attempt

estimate

to

maintenance costs that

present old-age

and

might

build

to

solicitude.
up a

Nothing

false

sense

the young of

It

$200 Monthly

$100 Monthly

$4,422,000,000
6,864,000,000

Age 65 and all ages above
Age 60 and all ages above
Age 55 and all ages above

is

these

today so heavily to meet the burdens of today

ment.

10,074,000,000

take

no

to

assume

that

that

a

besetting

are

The

answer

lies,

restoring opportunity to

$8,844,000,000 $17,688,000,000
13,728,000,000 27,456,000,000
40,296,000.000
20,148,000.000

business

solution

permanent

today

us

be

can

general trend in

of the

account

country toward a larger proportion of old persons.

as

has

work

been

to

said

on

those who

all

sides, in

would work.

on

the part

The

be directed with sympathetic understanding

of everyone that the solution involves

responsibility.

I know of

no

group

a

because of your close contact with the people through¬

out the nation, to encourage

constructive thought and action

along those lines among all of your customers.

definitely to increase the proportion of per¬

very

the

at

older

of age
to

of

population,

the

Ultimately,

we

computations

our

about

to

or

12,000,000 people.

expect to have from 20,000,000 to 25,-

may

000,000 of persons
financial

instance,

the proportion of persons 65 years

will have increased from its present 6%

and over

9%

For

ages.

indicate that, by 1950,

65 years

Therefore,

of age and over.

figures that I have just given—enormous as they

really understatements of the future annual

may seem—are

load which such plans would necessarily impose.
lem is

to set

claims
and

of

up

who must

It

behooves

but there

of

new

whom
any

is

pension program

remember

that, when

Commercial Paper

certain

groups

own

demands increase

time goes

as

natural tendency toward the formation

a

demanding to be included

groups

public

a

time break the backs of

special beneficiaries of the public treas¬

as

not only do their

ury,

Investment Securities

beneficiaries themselves.
to

us

singled out

are

same

the burden and end in bitter disap¬

carry

pointment for the

on,

beneficiaries of

prospective

which would not at the

those

The prom-

sdheme which would satisfy the present

a

funds are to

those

to

The danger

in

among

be distributed.

democratic system of government is that these various

groups

of special beneficiaries

cally powerful, and,

without

possibilities for their

own

may

organize, become politi¬

appreciation

group,

of

the ultimate

to say nothing of the pub¬

lic, may compel the expansion of such obligations far beyond
the power
ence

of the Nation to

upon our

whole

mension to those

age

been

some

per

suggested in
year

than

State

and

poses

all

combined

assume

economy.

without destructive influ¬

Even to provide

than

of

quarters, would require
our

governmental

more money

bodies—Federal,

local—are estimated to be spending for all pur¬

in

half

American people.
in pension

monthly

65 and over, in amounts which have

1936.

In

fact, this increased expendi¬

ture, added to our present burden, would
more

a

age

the

total

It is

an

present

be equivalent to

national

income

inescapable fact that

a

of

would greatly, increase the yearly cost.




the

reduction
As

mutual

better able than your

declining birth rate and the improvement in mortality are

sons

of

had

alone, but the sober thought of the whole body

politic—must

own,

figures

safe

not

problems

merely by resort to the use of the taxing power of govern¬

nor

operating

of

Nothing could be more unfortunate than to tax

To this end the national intelligence—not government alone,

by such schemes.

$50 Monthly

our

than

destroy the potential capacity to care

(excluding administration)

be eliminated

These

harmful

more

in turn, may be among the needy.

over.

any

be

could

helpfulness, diminish our capacity to take care

for them when they,

persons

and

age

I

suitable

any

population estimates of 1934 of the cost

on

those 60 years

of

of

and tomorrow as to

based

for that year
sion

illustrating

of

purpose

to

the immediate burden, I present a few illus¬

what may be
trations

the

for

simply

tried
of us.

merely
to all

proceed cautiously, we may, by a mistaken sense

need?

are

of the

be unable to care for them¬

who may

of generous

that

homely

a

selves, but rather I feel bound to emphasize the fact that,

reasonably good care even of those who may be in direst

Without reference to any particular scheme among many

upon

centuries

chosen from our own economic and

have

of

some

dwell

to

generations

That old adage, and the historical illus¬

world's progress.

marshal

chosen

have

tested

Instead,

truth,

CONRAD BRUCE & CO.
San Francisco

Portland

Los

Angeles

Seattle

20

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

The
in

field

of

social

the whole realm
most

our

Our

adjustment is the most complicated

of human

The construction

effort.

of

complex machinery, the running of the most com¬

plicated business, is

mere

lems

interplay

involving

the

huge numbers

bring

been, there

never

we

nor

will

greatest number.

population will say:

ponderables
of

social

we

improvement,

psychological

complicated

emotional

and

1■:

we

tion

of

of

wise

are

the

our

with

elements,
-

with

is

we

im¬

these

large-scale

maladjustments arising from

We

must

cannot

never

nor

will be,

millennium.

a

children's children,

our

situation when the whole

a

"Enough;

is desiredI"

no more

And

in conclusion, I say we must move cautiously lest

the failure of

and

attempt

We

commitments.

we

prejudice the whole future of social betterment and lest

virtually

are

millennium,

a

see

so,

-

shall

we

it

as

such

In the field

motives, feelings and instancts.

as

novices.
If

confronted

are

and considered.

never

children,

our

beings, to the end that the greatest good shall accrue to the
Here

small

millennium into full bloom by statutory enactment.

a

Neither

of human

be

plunge headlong into rash

There has

child's play compared with prob¬
of

beginnings must

not

efforts along these lines leave us abashed

our

discouraged.

If

would

we

build safely for our future

solu¬

the complexities

each

society only after thorough study of the situation.

step, that

we

right direction.

are

Let

sure

we must

and

progress

be certain, at

ground and headed in the

sure

on

make

society,

make haste slowly.

us

The Banker's Part in Trust Service
By Gilbert T. Stephenson, Vice-Preside nt Equitable Trust Co., Wilmington, Del.
'?

.

Under the American system of trust business as presently
constituted the future

hands of the banker

of trust service lies

of the trust

as

himself

man

Nearly all of the trust companies

that
in

system, too, the future of banking is interwoven -with that
of trust business.

Most of

banking departments.

Under that

.

So, the American banker has

with

a

bank. In

a

bank.

some

in trust business and in trust service which he cannot avoid

owned

and which,

of

How

distinguish at

me

trust service.

in

pay

between trust business and

once

what

By trust business I

we

doing for

are

ficiaries—the services
At the
I

spoke

with

we

what

mean

our

Memphis conference

on

the

opening statement

Committee
American

I

Bankers

Association,

the

one

action—is

that

calls

of

placing

that

paying basis and keeping it there.
unmindful

in

the

of

presenting

directing attention,
some

business

a

on

this report
we

as

time to come, to

At the

to

and

prompt

business

trust

same

con¬

on

time, I

President

a

am

that

in

we

must beware of
expense

banking in

have

any way, we

a

corporation exercising trust

a

associated.

men are

trustee
;

as

he

is

connected

with

a

corporation,

that in most

cases

doina I hope to help somewhat in

balance of emphasis between (rust

service.^

subject of earnings, let
business is

an

However, before leaving the

me say

that profitableness of trust

essential element of trust service, that a trust

institution cannot continue to render good service unless it
makes

a

reasonable profit on its trust business.

^
Coming

now

to the subject of trust service, let

service?

Is it not true that

different

businesses

and

members of different
true also that for

and

in

the public

been associated

Of

the

64

officers

and

members

of

committees

in

carrying
In

on

bankers

callings?

nearly 100

such have

any

and

inquire,

trust

men

men

length of time

same

have been associated with each other

trust institution

in the United States that is not associated in

some way

A majority of our 3,000 trust institutions




trust companies with which

I mention this only for the purpose of

connected.

distinguished from the practices, of trust in¬

as

stitutions still is largely
for the most

in the hands of the banker and that,

part, the trust man is an administrative officer

charged with the execution of policies in the adoption of
an

influential, if not

no

person can

reasn

that

a

dominant, part.

have such

an

influential

part in the formulation of the policies of a business without

having

a

correspondingly influential part, in the services

rendered in connection with that business.

What,
service?
do ?

the

with
are

then,
What

is
can

the

banker's

help of the banker?

major role.

distinctive part in trust

the banker do that the trust

For what part of trust

tinctive parts
a

(1)

these enterprises.
a

or

the

directing attention to the facts that the determination of the

policies,

are

in organization, in law,

For the

presidents of the banks

are

of

Association, only

are

mind, banking and trust business have

Organization—Today there is scarcely

banking.

me

part in trust

Yes, that is true; but it is

years,

are

they

It stands to

banking and trust business

that

enterprises.

bankers and trust

as

of

he, rather than the trust man, is the executive

which the banker had

The Banker's Relation to Trust Service

first, wherein does the banker

department
i_

head of the corporation.

so

trust

the banker

»

one

which. is^emgagedjmtrustJMsinessiancL

(2)

men

shares the reputation of the banker.

man

that

executor,

Almost universally trust

has in trust service arises from these two facts:

over-em¬

of service.

proper

a

and

as

The Banker's Distinctive Part—Whatever part

(1)

than

Whether in praise or in blame,

bankers.

five

business

even more

though the institution to which

even

trust company.

a

referred to

the trust

public mind,

People speak of "the bank"

guardian

or

they refer is
are

powers

banking and trust business and bankers and trust

earnings, I wish to direct attention to the banker's part in

maintaining

as a

Under the Revenue Act of

Trust Division of the American Bankers

By

In at

is defined

bank.

in the law,

Earnings and Trust Service—Today, without drawing

service.

are

few left.

together.

State (Arizona) a trust company

one

attention from the still unsolved business problem of trust

trust

very

recognizes the association between

In the Public Mind—In the

shall be doing persistently for

payii^g basis,

trust

governmental supervision is included in the definition

Callaway

the publip,

a

eliminate all the trust institutions that

we

(Section 104),

of

with respect to

the need for putting and keeping trusts

phasizing profits at the possible
Trust

for

to which

fact,

If

1936

pressing

most

the banks

cases,

under

the

men

business—the

alluded

least

the

Trust Division of

Trust Policies of the

on

of

associated

the bank is wholly

cases,

banks and trust companies are codified

to

still in full accord

that

structive

not

am

are

the trust company is

In still other

bank exercising trust powers.

the recent report

problem of bankers and trust

business
trust

By trust service I

banking service last March

of

In other

trust company.

a

In Law—The law also

trust customers and bene¬

special reference to earnings.

with

some cases

banking and trust business. In most States the laws relating

the bank's responsibility for its trust department,

on

trust companies have

community have cooperated in establishing

a

doing for

we are

rendering them.

are

by

associated with

trust departments—settling estates, administer¬

our

way

company.

ing trusts, and performing agencies.
mean

What is his part?

he make the most of it ?

can

Let

therefore, he should improve.

our

engaged in trust business exclusively

are

wholly owned by

part both

a

...

departments of banks.

much in the

as

I

■

service does the trust

I shall

name and-

man cannot

man

require

discuss five dis¬

in trust service in wnich the banker must play

They

are:

taking the mystery out of trust service;

(2)

making trust service more generally accessible to the people;

(3)

making trust service more generally available to the people;

(4) providing special training for trust service; and
(5) maintaining the standards of trust service.

*

31

GENERAL SESSION.
p*ri^r?riB553£HMite8i

Taking the Mystery Out of Trust Service

During the past three

great deal has

years a

been done to take the mystery out of

The

banking.

"Constructive Customer

handbook,

Re¬

CONDENSED

lations," and the constructive customer relations
clinics already

have

long

gone a

Up to the

customer relations with

have not had

Co.

&

PRIVATE BANKERS

respect to trust business

corresponding amount of

a

1936

Brown Brothers Harriman

time constructive

present

CONDITION

OF

towards

way

simplifying and clarifying banking in the public
mind.

STATEMENT

SEPTEMBER 30,

NEW YORK

em¬

PHILADELPHIA

BOSTON

phasis, and the mystery of trust service remains.
However, there is

to be issued

soon

ASSETS

supple¬

a

Cash

mentary book in the field of customer relations

designed

do for

to

business «what

trust

Valued

formidable

simplified.

trust

Those of

of the work have

us

idea how

no

such everyday terms

are

Valued

executor,

as

trator

I

cestui que trust, corpus,
testamento

cum

fully

am

fession

have

must

But trust

its

bonis

business

every

technical

to

absolutely
use

to

technical terms any

technical term,

a

non.

or

beneficiary

say

corpus;

as

istrator

Greater

Market whichever lower
.

.

care

on

.

.

.

.

.

Acceptances

on

.

12,012,526.34

.

.

759,037.83

.....

.

13,406,519-32

....

221,963 05

Deposits—Time

administrator under

Acceptances

J^e

Held

in

Portfolio

as

13,963,476.73

363,022.20

....

Accrued Interest, Expenses, etc.

197,668.80

Contingencies

for

1,770,100.01

.....$ 2,000,000.00

as

■.....[

Surplus

the estate,

$14,326,498.93

.........

to

trust;

will

a

5,022,453.71 $59,528,203.78

Less Own Acceptances

as easy

que

$54,505,750.07

....

....

.

.

to

necessary

cestui

annexo

Stocks

and

or

LIABILITIES

admin¬

12,001,413.85

10,001,413-85

$87,460,863.17

de bonis non?

part in reducing the use

our

as Private Bankers and
subject to examination and regulation
by the Superintendent of Banks of the State of New York and by the
Department of Banking of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Licensed

and

words

phrases

and greater

thoughtfulness in explaining simply the tech¬
nical

do

Cost

Deposits—Demand

Reserve

testamento

cum

technical

of

at

testamentary trust; prin¬

the unsettled part of

1,105,764.86

.

.

17,899,795.28

Capital

cipal,
to

say

.

$87,460,863.17

than is

more

Is it not just

as

632,138.15

Other Assets

they should be careful

it is to

as

under will,

trust

5,677,917.89

pro¬

explain its meaning without waiting to

questioned about it.

16,528,878.98

.

terminology.

When it is

necessary.

.

.

Market whichever lower

or

and bankers should be careful,

men

use

Cost

.

Other Banks

Maturing Within 1 Year

or

Customers' Liability

when they are talking with or writing to people,
not

at

of

Banks

from

Other Investments

and adminis¬

de

annexo

that

aware

$19,216,321.47

.....

Advances

and

Valued

funded, unfunded, not to mention such foreign
as

Banks

Market whichever lower

or

Acceptances

Marketable Bonds

administrator, trustee, revocable, irrevocable,
terms

from

to the

awesome

Loans

public

Cost

and

Securities Called

in the midst

are

Due

and

Time Deposits Due

terminology to be

who

at

Call Loans

Simplifying Trust Terminology—First of all,
a

Hand

United States Government Securities

the

original book did for banking.
there is

on

that

terms

cannot

we

avoid

using will

great deal towards removing the mystery

a

from trust service.

"The
For

American

long time

a

we

System of Trust Business"—
have needed

trust business for the

Division

possess

the

has

publiched

little

a

"The

book,

System of Trust Business," which attempts to

simple language the facts that the banker should
before he undertakes to discuss trust services with

man on

(4) the authorized paragraphs for

Retaining the

The

state in

(3) the schedules of fees for those services, and

on

attempt has been made to supply this need.

an

Trust

small, untechnical book

the street.

at all times

the trust

one

arrow

in the

quiver of those who would

remove

the

It is hardly to be expected that

it

circulation

public.
That is

and

will

have

wide

a

among

Something else is needed for the
a

the general

man on

the street.

handy, simple, untechnical, easily understandable,

more

or

less standardized statement

services rendered
For the

or

descriptive of trust

by trust institutions generally.

suggestion I have to make

now

I have

good

a

practice of the English trust corporations.

(I

see

that

we
have here one representative of the English
banking
fraternity and I Hope that he is in the audience this morning.)

trust

question the propriety of looking to English

corporations for

they have made

new

a

precedent, let

more progress

to be recognizable

particular

a

company,

to date by issuing new

up

Whenever

a new

service is offered

shcedule of fees is adopted, a new edition of the

me say

that in 30

years

in developing personal trust
I have the latest official

pamphlets of six leading English trust corporations. In con¬
tent they are more or less standardized. Each of them contains:

However, I

that the public has

a

am

are

standardized

fully convinced that,

ready for it and the

should issue official pamphlets.

also toward

many trust

that

for

soon

as

sooner

They will

as

insti¬

purpose.

trust in¬

the better, they

go a

long

way

not

right to know;

simple description of the trust services offered by the company;

standardizing adequate fees for trust service.

Banker's

The

Part—The

bankers'

part

in

taking

the

mystery out of trust service is attributable to the fact that

so

frequently he is the point of contact with the public, that he
is the first person

with whom the

connected with

man

on

and that from him the

a

bank

or

the street discusses

man

on

pression of the mysteriousness
service.

trust company
trust

service,

the street gets his first im¬
or

the naturalness of trust

However, the banker cannot make trust service

simple

or

natural to the

man on

the street unless it

simple and natural to the banker himself.

Making Trust Service More Generally Accessivle to the People
1

company

sufficiently

are

stitutions

is




pamphlet of

corporation keeps it

pamphlets, I doubt if the fees of

tutions

sound

a

the official

so as

sufficiently standardized already to permit the issue of

official

business, especially executorships, than the American trust

(1) the facts about the

as

general format

Although the services of most American trust institutions

institutions have made in 100 years.

(2)

different

only towards taking the mystery out of trust service, but

begin to get ready to issue official pamphlets./ My precedent

Lest anyone

a

are

precedent. My suggestion is that American trust institutions
is the

in

pamphlet is issued.

mystery from trust service.
ever

company

>

same

editions from time to time.

Ojjicial Pamphlets—However, at best this little book is
but

the

naming

fiduciary capacities.

Now at last

American

a

of the banker who meets the

public.

use

We who live and work in the larger cities take for granted

that

trust

service

already is

accessible to the American

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

22

people generally; whereas, the surprising fact is
now

there

in which

areas

tllat

and in

numerous,

some

The

Survey oj the Trust Field—Two years ago
a

the Trust

size of the personal trust accounts in the trust

located in 15 northeastern

are

these 18 States have

than

institution; and that there are 105 cities with a popu¬

lation of 15,000 each or over

in which there is not a trust

great deal still remains to

trust service within reach of all the

more

received with favor in trust
circles. Under one plan a trust company has established a
number of fully, manned and equipped trust departments
with a centrally located head office and has located these
to

so

strategically
the

of

most

3,000,000 people of the State.

established numerous local
with a head

Under another plan a bank has
trust

to make trust service

as

offices and several district trust offices,

offioe, and in this
most the

way

broken down and the accounts

has made trust service accessible to

plan has been suggested by A. Key Foster, of

Birmingham,

trust insti¬

well established

whereby

Ala.,

tutions, with unquestioned resources and standing, would
make

working arrangement with local banks in smaller

a

communities located within the

same

State, under which the

trust institution would serve as executor or trustee

local bank would

serve

and the

agent for the exeoutor or trustee

as

in managing local property

Recently I have made

institutions
co-fiduciary relation¬

Total

a

small way.
one or

Account^

practical

the farms
it is accessible already to those of us
people living

purposes to

and in the villages as

on

The Banker's Part—Since

is involved, the

16

35

^0,000,000

59,000

12

29

40

Executorships

115,000

11

32

43

64

56

Guardianships

11,500,000
400,000

7.160

45

86

80

93

$5,516,959

....

'600

depend fully

a

much

as

No bank

man.

trust

upon

the banker

trust company

or

department

or a trust

any

of these plans

the trust

as upon

is justified in establishing

office

in making

or

a

working

arrangement with a local bank merely for the sake of offering
trust

bank

In offering trust service under any

service.
or

trust company must

of the trust

man as

as

plan

a

be governed by sound business

principles and policies, passing
function of the banker

upon

which is

more

the

head of the whole institution than

$37,416,959

each

In

these four

of

accounts

bring

accounts

it is

living

trust

accessibility of trust service,

refers to the

availability
refers to its

Problems

estate

a

I have used the term,

service,

which I shall-discuss next,

I have in mind especially the availability of

trust service for

estate is

as

adaptability to the requirements of people of all

walks of life.

people of small

of less

Anywhere in the United States an

than $10,000 would be regarded as a small

estate; and in the centers of population an estate of less

$25,000 would be

so

than

regarded. " Whichever amount is ac¬

cepted, the small estate offers three problems.

The first one

arises out of the

preponderance of small accounts compared

with large ones;

the second, out of investing the funds of

small accounts; and
small accounts.




it

of

is

of accounts

a

the third, out of the cost of administering

few large

In the 105 miscellaneous

$1,000,000; in the 339

over

six

totaling

accounts

100 executorships, it

nearly

three

is

estates

totaling $5,000,000; and in the 56 guardianships, it is
of

account

one

$236,000.

These 600 trust accounts may be accepted as a fair cross
section
of all

as

our

to size of the accounts in the trust
trust

institutions.

Unless

we

departments

prepared and

are

willing to accept accounts of $25,000 and less,

deprive of trust service by banks

must

we

trust companies fully

or

two-thirds of the American people who have e£tates to be
settled and trusteeships and

guardianships to be administered.

Investing Funds of Small Accounts—Diversification is now

generally accepted principle of trust investment.

But

satisfactory diversification simply cannot be had in small
invested

accounts

trust

investment

independently.

have

men

with

amount

which

from

$10,000 to $100,000 and

them

thinks

trust fund of
to

that he

$10,000

be invested

or

can

diversification

range

way

None

diversification with

some

a

satisfactory method of

other

found

be

than

through inde¬

pendent investment.

.

Cost of Administering
of

all the

less. So, if the funds of small accounts

properly,

must

obtain

the

of

about $37,000.

average

29

of

group

opinions

satisfactory

be accomplished and their figures

of

A

given their

may

making trust service

Small Accounts—The third problem

more

generally available is the cost of

administering small accounts.

Normally the costs of setting

the account, keeping the books, making the required

up

accountings, investing the funds, and servicing the trust
property

proportionately much greater for small accounts

are

than for large ones.
themselves

faced

So far trust departments have found
the

with

unhappy alternative of either
a

loss

or

making the charge prohibitive and thereby depriving

of trust service many

of those who need it most.

Solution of These Problems
The

Through Common Trust Funds—

problems of the small trust accounts have had the

special attention of trust

men

the past six

1929 and 1930 several trust institutions

massing of the funds of

the

common

fund

a

as

numerous

unit

years.

During

began the collective

investment of the funds of small accounts.
the

estates^

oj the Small Account—Large or small applied to an

variable term.

groups

account

one

63

60

'

,

average.

accounts,

$7,500,000; in the

else

goegraphical location of trust institutions; the
of trust

the

up

46

accepting and administering small accounts at

head of the trust department..

Making Trust Service More Generally Available to the People
The

$52,545

general and far-reaching policy

adoption and execution of

P.C.
Under

$10,000 $25,000

Living trusts

diversification
a

Under

$5,000

339

are

living in the larger cities.

P. C.

Under

$1,000

-100

minimum

tainly it is socially desirable, to make trust service as accessi¬
ble for all

it is

small.

Under

P. C.

of
AcctS.

Miscellaneous

another of these plans, it may be

practically workable and economically justifiable, as cer¬

P. C.

Avge.

of

trust

ships, have been suggested, and some of them have been
By employing

the

of accounts

groups

Accounts

105

a

tried out in

up

classified by size,

are

study of several

a

Kind of

Accts.

and in rendering personal services.

StiU other plans for cooperation between trust
and local banks, some of them involving

bring

But when the totals are

with the following results:

6,000,000 people of another State.

A third

A very few large accounts

found that by far the most of these accounts are very

of

generally accessible to the people have been

departments

to believe that the

reason

to these impressive figures.

average

has been suggested recently and

trust

no

departments of State-chartered banks and trust companies
would be much less.

No.

adopted and put into successful operation and a third plan

accessible

I have

be done to bring

American people.

Suggested—Already two plans for making trust

The Plans

service

departments of National banks is $71,322, which is a sizable
anywhere.

one-hal^and, outside these 18 States, fully three-fourths the
area of the country is outside a radius of 25 miles of any

a

in the trust

average

only one-half the population of the country; that more

So,

misleading.

are so

two-thirds of the

American trust institutions

institution.

departments of American banks

surprising. Averages

account

and three Pacific Coast States; that

trust

and trust companies is

special committee to make a survey of the

The survey shows that over

trust field.

small accounts in the trust

The average size of the personal trust accounts

reach of any trust instituion.

Division named

Preponderance of Small Accounts—The preponderence of

even

places populous
people who need trust service are not within

large,

are

By this I

mean

accounts and investing

with each account having

a

participation proportionate to the amount of its investment.
Through the
for it now,
cost

trust fund, which is the

administration

of

common

out the

common

proper name

diversification of investments and reduction of
are

achieved.

trust funds made a very

By comparison, the

creditable showing through¬

depression.

These

common

trust

funds, however,

certain tax and accounting

their continuance.

soon

encountered

problems that seriously threatened

The Trust Division,

awakened to the

/

^

;-:'v
necessity
named

v.?general session.
the problems

solving

of

special committee

a

committee made

the small account,

of

on common

This

trust funds.

study of such funds here and abroad—

a

including funds in long and successful operation in New
Zealand,

Canada,

Australia,

Japan—and
trust fund is

Denmark,

basically sound and that it is the best, if not the

only feasible,

of investing the funds of small accounts.

way

in trust business in which 1,553 students

courses

enrolled. These American Institute of Banking courses,

were

however,

designed primarily for the needs of the

are

women

of

Work

Graduate

younger

in banks and trust companies.

and

men

and

Norway,

to the definite conclusion that the common

came

offered

23

-

the

School

Banking—The

of

special

training of officers of trust departments began only last
with the opening of the Graduate School of Banking at

year,

Rutgers University

activity of the American Bankers

as an

The opening of this school

of real

Whereupon the Trust Division, with the approval of the

Association.

Executive

Council and

moment in the history of both banking and adult education,

operation

of

and Federal
'

the

with

the spirited support

the Federal Revenue Act of
and

tax

Committees

Association's

1936

co-

Taxation

on

Legislation, urged the adoption of

and

section of

a

designed to solve these

The Congress, sensing the

accounting problems.

was a step

When the history of American banking is written,
chapters should

Rutgers University

record

where and June, 1935,

one

of the

the place

as

the time when American banking

as

emerged from the realm of the arts into the realm of the
sciences.

At Rutgers in 1935 there was done for banking

(Section 169) to the Revenue Act which meets the desires

what

done at the University of Pennsylvania in 1765

of the Trust Division and of the Association in every par-

for medicine when the first college of medicine was estab-

social

well

as

ticular.

as

the economic issue involved, added a section

the

In

broad

trust fund opens

small

means

ment of the

is still

trust

of

common

beyong the

The Banker's

the

service

by making trust service

it is to the person of

as

field

large

available to him

as

At this stage of develop-

means.

trust fund its ultimate

grasp

social significance

the final analysis

the solution of

the problems of administering small accounts

largely

should exercise the

same

ihg

as

small account

a

account—never
—>»

large

and thereby

generally available to the people

more

A bank or trust company

the banker.

upon

and disciimination in accept-

care

it should exercise in accepting a large

accepting

any

account merely because it is

small, but accepting it, whether large or small,

or

lished and what

business, but last

At the present time 400 bankers and trust men are taking
course in the Graduate School of Banking,

Next

200

there will be 200 more. Beginning in 1937, about

year

will be graduated annually and returned to the

men

banks and trust companies of this country, about one-third
of whom will have had special training for trust service,
These
of

reserve

service.

establish

trust fund unless it actually

company

needs

and

common

a

It should not establish

one.

one

unless it is

one

It should

:

prepared and resolved to give

the fund vigilant and intelligent

supervision, not

once

in

a

The

point I wish to make and to emphasize is that, while
trust fund is

common

tration

small

of

Certainly

invaluable aid in the adminis-

an

not an automatic device,

accounts, it is

the

during

formative

period

the

of

collective

investment of trust funds, the establishment and maintenof

ance

trimt funds

common

professional attitude towards banking and trust

a

In time they will be

leavening influence through-

a

The Banker's Part—What is the banker's part in providing

this special training for trust service?
He

part.

officers

may

select

to take

one or

the

It is

practical

a very

two of his most promising trust

in trust business.

courses

He

may

make it financially possible for them to attend the Graduate

while, but all the time.
the

of knowledge—one kind of

reserve

a

of which there can be no excess—an inquiring

out the entire banking and trust fields,

unless it is manned

equipped properly to administer the fund.

not establish

trust

or

will take back into their institutions and into

men

their communities
mind, and

bank

a

at Rutgers we witnessed the opening

year

the three years'

only if trust service is needed and if good trust service can be
Nor should

done at Harvard in 1817 for law when

of the first college of banking, including trust business,

rendered

by that institution.

was

the first college of law was established. A few colleges and
universities have offered courses in banking and trust

of our comprehension.

Part—In

making trust service
rests

common

the door of opportunity to the person of

was

deserve, in fact they require,

School of Banking.

He

may

give them time to attend

other than during their vacation period.

word for it that the time they

are

You

may

not a vacation; it is hard work night and day.

and

encourage

take

my

attending the school is

He

may

help

them in doing their extension work and in

He

preparing their thesis.

may

make them feel that he

the best thought and attention of the banker as well as of

gards

the trust

re-

part of their work for the institution.

man.

Providing

Special

Training for

mainly

three

from

sources—the

Trust officers still
law

the

office,

department, and the trust department itself.
taken

the active

from

over

transferred from
up

as

department; and

the art of trust service in

Every profession
apprenticeship
read

law in the office

doctor drove the
one

just the

discount
same

older lawyer

present conditions.

an

this

Pioneer

ment sets forth the business standards of trust service and

some

grow
as

young

lawyers

and the

young

Let

method if training, but

adequate method of training under

Today preparation for trust service is

period between apprenticeship and formal

Work

of

training for

R.

,

the

American
service

trust
on

trust

Judd to the Manhattan

more

trust

Banking.

began

of

Oct.

banks

to

may

I

pause

and
just

trust
a

companies

as

corporations,

moment to pay a tribute of ad-

miration and of deep affectoin to the memory of
the great

sons

one

of

of San Francisco, Maury Sims, in the, union

of whose big heart and clear head was conceived the Statement

of

Principles of Trust Institutions.

Let honor

go

where honor is due. He is entitled to go down in banking and
trust history as the father of the Statement of Principles of

Trust Institutions.

Personal Standards—Now trust men are giving attention

These standards

to the personal standards of trust service.

apply to trust

men as

individuals.

A trust

man

has certain

was

Banking—

different from the guiding principles of the trust institutions

22,

in which he is employed.

1901,

delivered by

(New York) Chapter of
During the past nine

than 10,000 students, regularly employed

banks and trust companies,

in

Institute

business

vthe American Institute of Banking.
years

applies

And

personal, ethical obligations which are in addition to and

when the first lecture
Orrin

This state-

are

schooling.

Special

Business Standards—First, they formulated and adopted
statement of principles of trust institutions.

some

organized, systematic,

long since

trust men have been paying

a

horse-and-buggy for the old doctor.
the value of

it is not

in the transition

the

of

so

years

special attention to the standards of trust service,

are

the school of experience,

the stage of

to

It has not been

During the past three

banking

through the stage of training through

goes

on

special training.

no

come

in the trust department. All of them learn the science

well

integral

Some

practice of the law;

the banking

an

Maintaining the Standards of Trust Service

Service

Trust

Up to the present time, the apprenticeship method of
training for trust service prevails.

their special training for trust service

business

offered

have taken systematic

by

During the school




the
year

American

Institute

1935-36, 39

in

courses

of

Chapters

Already

a

special committee of

the Trust Division is at work on a statement of the ethical
obligations of trust

men.

It is time, I think, that such

a

statement should be adopted and published for the guidance

of trust men.

We trust

men

need

a set

accepted standards by which to measure

practices.
from

of recognized and
our

ideals and

our

Furthermore, the best results will be obtained

self-imposed||and self-enforced standards of service.

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

24

So, let
our

trust men take the initiative in

us

statement of

own

formulation of

ards, whether written

unwritten, will depend as fBuch

or

the attitude of the banker

give life to

make

or

his

own power

to

dead letter of any set of standards

a

He can
give life to any statement of obligations of the trust men by
understanding himself that there are certain business and
personal standards peculiar to trust service and, therefore,
affecting trust

that

men

be formulated.

ever can

different from those of banking,

and by giving the trust man

his moral support in living up to

those distinctive standards .
failing to

He

make

can

a

dead letter of any such statement

understand it himself and by expecting or
trust

if

the doing of

man

not

requiring of the

In still

another way

the banker may influence for the

by conducting his banking department at

That is

that is wholly
Where standards of service

all times and in all its relationships in a way
creditable to

trust institution.

a

concerned, the public does not distinguish

are

distinguish between the banking department

have to

not

and it should

and the trust

department

or a

bank

or

trust company.

The

atmosphere of trust service, redolent of the business qualities
of

soundness

well
and

personal qualities of patience, tact, sympathy,

the

as

judgment, foresight, and conservatism as

of

human

should

understanding,

permeate

the

entire

In the words of President Fleming:

institution.

before trust men

not be the
must

sound future growth of the trust business

relationship exists, there shall

conducted that, when a dual

so

takes precedence. We
act in a
interest in the commercial departments of our

slightest question as to which obligation

banks should never be allowed to conflict with the

high duty of our trustee¬

ship.

is two sentences,

that

ought to exist between our

trust institution that is a member of the American

Because the banker has such power to
ards of trust service,

influence the stand¬

1 hope that, if a statement of ethical

By the President of the A. B. A., Robebt
we

Association,

I

sure

am

Bankers
all those present in expressing to the

I speak for

for their cordial invitation
beautiful city.
No city in
enjoys a greater reputation for friendliness and hospitality than
Francisco which, for years,
has been one of the le^ing shipping

bankers

Francisco

San

of

this

hold

deep

their

in

and

industrial

centers

of

the

world.

Forty-four years

ago—ub September,

San
Francisco, which was the first time we held our meeting in this most
hospitable city.
We met here again in 1903, and still again in 1929.
Association

1892—our

held

its

annual

eightennth

The members of the General Convention Committee

convention

in

have spared no effort

entertainment, and they, together with
the bankers in various other parts of California and the West, where we
have been entertained en route here, have seen to it that., our trip to San
in

providing for our comfort and

Francisco

On

wijl be an enduring and happy memory.
the membership of the American Bankers Association, and

behalf of

especially the delegates assembled here, I desire to express to

Mr. Mcintosh,

the members of their
efforts which have been
put forth to make this convention an outstanding success and our stay
here an interesting and enjoyable experience.
By custom and tradition, it is my duty to give you an accounting of
my stewardship and a general summary of the activities of your Associa¬
tion since you paid me the honor of placing in my hands the responsibility
of directing its affairs.
In carrying out this trust I have endeavored to
perform faithfully the duties of this high office strictly in accordance
with our constitution and by-laws, and, with the advice and counsel of
deep

Council,

for

the

and

splendid

Administrative Committee and the Executive
set down in resolutions adopted by the
the various positions on
economic and banking

the

fulfill the mandates

to

Association

subjects

Vice-Chairman,

Brigham,

appreciation

associate officers,

my

well

as

by

taken

as

the legally constituted

committees and commissions of

well-thought-out statement of ethical obligations of
loyally as they have supported the statement of

any

Once adopted, that statement will be morally

principles.
binding

upon every

I

also

four

divisions

assistance.

On

faithfully

of the
of the
Association
by lending them every support and
the other hand, these able gentlemen, who have discharged
endeavored

have

and

to

efficiently




trust man whose institution is a member

Association.

of the American Bankers

Partnership Between the Banker and the Trust Man

The

By this time I hope that I have

cooperate

the. duties

■J

fully

of

with the Presidents

their

offices,

made it clear that I

regard the banker and the trust man as partners who are
essential to each other under the American system of trust
As

business.

each maintains his individuality

partners,

engaged in associated enterprises.
Business—At Memphis I tried to make it clear

while they are
In Trust

in trust business—-partners in duties,

that they are partners

responsibilities, partners in liabilities, partners
profits, and partners in losses.

partners in
in

I have tried to make it equally clear

Trust Service—Today

in trust service—partners in taking

that they are partners

service, partners in making trust
more
generally to the

the mystery out of trust

available

and

accessible

service

people,

in providing special training

partners

and partners in maintaining the standards

for trust service,
of trust service.

May this partnership continue, not for
business alone but for the sake of trust

its best.

Won't you bankers
the American people

hope for the future of trust business.

my

have given

me

well, to

as

democracies of trust service I am basing

On the growing

along with us trust men in giving

come

the sake of trust

service

American citizen who really needs trust

service may have it at

entitled to get?

quality of trust service that they are

good business for us and, believe men, it will be

It will be

4

great service for them.

Discussed
D. G.
take this

fine, helpful support on all occasions, and, therefore, I desire to
opportunity
I

express

undertake

the maximum
necessary

was

the

unite

to

that if our Association
degree in serving its members and

for some time

conviction

to

public interest, it

appreciation to them.

deep

my

strong

a

be effective

to

was

the

to

had

have

that the leadership of the Association
including the four divisions,

membership,

entire

goal—the improvement of
rendered by our
under¬
standing on the pai*t of the public of the true functions of banking and
a
realization
of the vital part it plays in the economic life of every
into

banking

our

banks

to

towards

all working

team,

one

common

a

of the service

betterment

the

and

system

of the country, and the promotion of a better

the people

individual.
On several
of

common

occasions

during recent years, when really critical situations
banks in the field of legislation affecting

confronted

interest

bring about a large
groups and
organizations.
This enabled them to present a more united front on such
major questions, in
place of the cross purposes among bankers that
legislators had complained about in the past.
This proved of great value
in arriving at a workable solution of the problems involved, both in the
interest of banks 'and! of the public.
It demonstrated the essential need,
banking, the American Bankers Association was able to
measure

coordination

Nation

the

for

of

leadership „for
lines

of

well

as

special

or

various

among

for

as

group

banking,

influential

of

banking

the maintenance

of a unified

whole, without precluding action along
interests wherever called for under particular

profession

our

as

a

circumstances.
Of

this unity is dependent to a large degree upon a strong

course,

well-informed

Membership

our

of

E.

N.

members
net

his

who
for

committee,
423

of

of

I

the

12,488

the

members, whose

banks

in

the

of

Mr.

cooperation

While

total net increase,

the

too

"Van

Home

during this administrative year

members.

dhes, at

praise

cannot

new

we

and the

secured a

members admitted to member¬

after giving effect Jto those members

resigned because of consolidations
delinquent

had

and

With

Home.

Van

of

increase

and

highly the work of
Committee during the past year under the chairmanship

membership,

ship exceeded the

Association.

our

so

Mr.

and

Chairman,

committees,

now

trust men as

appreciation

meeting

important

America
San

am

V. Fleming, President Biggs National Bank, Washington,

the 6ixty-second annual convention of the American

open

that the Asso¬

the individual bankers will support

Proposal for Taxation Reform—Other Topics

A

As

confident

I

ciation will adopt and

the

departments with respect to trust service.

trust

our

relationship
banking departments and

mind that statement is classic of the

and to my

^adopted by the Executive Council

Bankers Association.

other day

in, a personal letter that you wrote to me the

to

was

the end that every

Mr. President, that statement from you

asked to

thereupon became and still is morally binding upon

and

every

always realize the high trust placed in us when we agree to

fiduciary capacity, and our

are

Statement of Principles of

It will be remembered that the

Trust Institutions

American
It is absolutely essential to the
that banks be

individuals

as

subscribe to it.

things that are contrary to the spirit,

better the standards, both business and personal, of trust
service.

rejected by the boards of directors of banks and trust

companies

the letter, of the statement.

to

is adopted by the American Bankers

men

Association, it will be presented to, considered, and adopted

that of the trust

as upon

The banker has it largely witnin

men.

obligations of trust
or

of any set of stand¬

The Banker's Part—The binding force

upon

standards.

statemet of business

our

the formulation of

personal standards, as we did in the

and liquidations and those dropped
31, 1936, we
represented roundly 91% of those

close of the fiscal year, Aug.

resources
continental United

States,

25

GENERAL SESSION,
In

the

it is necessary that there be a
finances, and that the budget be
During the year we have carefully
our Finance Committee and approved

Assoaiation such as

great

a

ours

adhered

budget set

the

to

by

up

costs

of

prudently,

yet

make

the

of

use

the

of

funds

reserve

of

interest

the

sound

banking,

the

economic

no

most

their

for

which

of over-chartering of banks,

subject

sent to our entire

was

bound

is

be

to

Other

studies

which

contributed

much

so

difficulties

the

to

of

such as a survey of

by this commission,

progress

changes

Nation's business

the

in

commercial

loans

Federal

and

Government

made

of

and

methods

investments

the

increase

banks,

commercial

by

in non¬
especially

this

been

have

issues.

keenly

alive

adopted

resolutions

the

to

the

at

belief

our

that

the

subject

approach to this

proper

it was

Savings System,

Postal

the

of

first

to

was

secure

a

buildl a
sound case.
To that end a questionnaire was sent to 9,533 banks which
could accept savings deposits and were located in towns having Postal
Savings facilities.
It is gratifying to report that 9,067 replies were
background

received,
The

of

representing
the

of

located

were

presenting

and

our

of

for

is

being felt

of the

legislation

this

coming

work

it

was

by

the

lending

such

chartered institutions to

confidence has

retumedl and ample

be resumed

funds

offered

that

created

Studies

in

that

order

accurate,

these

activities

have

work,

had

reliable

be taken

may

splendid

bulletins

and

Banking

on

methods

on

of

been

authoritative

and

by the chartered banks of the Nation.

over

from the heads

cooperation

have

data.

released
This

the

by

be

will

of

setting forth

committee

followed

this

in

government

by

detailed

more

reports to the Secretaries of State Associations for the purpose of acquaint¬

ing the members of the State Associations,
with

the

facilities

In order

that

and

tion

on

take

soundly the

that

this

which

this

subject,

from

policies

pursued

definite

assurances

discontinue

by

our

fine

the

pieces
to

fixing

these

from

heads

agencies

as

these

this

In

of

soon

they

agencies,

kept

under¬

can

is

necessary

changes

operation

of

of the

and the

connection

government

that

had

have

we

they

adequate service

as

it

abreast

methods

the

in

agencies.

the

members,

own

the government.

be rendered

can

do

year

of

Bank Management Commission

research

with

fair

the

and

and

practices

made

legitimate

service

analysis has been suggested
field

of personal

such

available

them

banks

of

in

to

analyzing

by the commission.

plan

One

and

accounts

of

in

account

It has surveyed also the

departments.

Our
farm

affecting

farm

Time

will

structive

Presidents

credit

credit.

not

of

a

It

permit
the

the

vention reports,

One

of

School

of

the

most

Bankers

Banking.

made

am

and

also

to give you a

to the

respective

and I

thoroughly into the subject of

gone

a

study on factors
study' on soil

outstanding

betterment

all of

resume

this report,

in

divisions

sure

published
an

of

will

our

banking.

The reports

be printed in the

con¬

of the

book of

con¬

members will find them profitable

well

them

observe that

constructive

Last




June

pieces
was

of work

the

at Rutgers

ever

establishment

undertaken by
of

the

University the second

the

Graduate

term

in

we were desirous that the public
accurate portrayal of the serious

an

press

and
have

great national

of

I

editorials,

am

satisfied

considerably increased public understanding of bank¬

firmly of the belief that the American people

I am

of the

with

portrayal of

the

Association

conducting the sessions in

character

not

were

these meetings and reported
deliberations and, upon our
of the staff of the
instances where discussions of a

who attended

press

their

in

accurate

consulted

technical

heads

the

and

reports

press

communications I

From
and

men

when they understand

gentlemen

were

business

from

as

public.

the

with

and

this country.

always fair

The

members

any

clear to them.

first

at

our

and

officers

Through these conferences I believe the members of our profession have
acquired
and

under which

officers
the

most

in

and

have

each

At

of

the stimulation
an important
our banking

I believe, has been
in

confidence

clinics

conference,

the

of

soundness

Constructive Customer Relations

on

gratifying.

the attendance at which in each instance was most

held,

Much

operate and, by

they

important results,

restoration

the

structure.

been

has

make

banks

our

of the new banking laws
the interchange of
unquestionably brought the
closer together in the solution of their

understanding

now

the subject of customer and public relations as

interest in

were

of

we

possible,

problems.

of

factor

made

views

and

One

knowledge and

better

a

regulations

ideas

said

with

but

each

that

knowing
felt

have

I

of advertising to"

respect to a national program

and to fully inform the public of

banking understood
services,

conditions

that

community

national

a

program

its functions
its own peculiar
generally referred to

has

as

could in their
operating officers,
through each and every employee of every bank and by such advertising
programs as are appropriate to conditions in their communities.
It should
be recognized that in
his or her social sphere, every employee is the
banker of that group.
These conferences and the program of Constructive
could

not

accomplish

much

as

as

the bankers themselves

the public, not only through their

daily contacts with

but

Relations

Customer

in

sponsored bv

our

awareness

the

Association have made

fine progress

of

the

importance of this factor in bank operation, and I am hopeful that in

due

stimulating

an

time each and every
At

and

conventions
that
on

intensified,

an

in

vital

have

Associations

year

the

organized

Relations to function

as

for

the

of

annual

I have also noted

standing

committees

advisory counsel to their

subjects.
If this movement
is
continued
and
understanding of banking and Its functions will spread
each and every individual in the country will acquire a
functions of banking and
plays in his economic life.

completely understand, I have

banking,

I have observed the

programs

these

part banking

citizens

executives

other groups.

and

State

Customer

on

until

fan-like

banking

of

and during the

conferences

State Associations

the

Public and

membership

groups,

regional

of the
of

some

part

urged that similar meetings be held by the State

county

the

of

on

institution in the country will undertake this program.

conference I

each

Associations

the

people

A meeting was
Secretaries

territory
of

and

of

America

an

understanding of the
I sav when our

Again,

fear for the future of American

no

are

fundamentally

fair

when

they

Association

might

of

meetings

of both

of the

State

secure

in

turn,

and

better

objectives

resulted

organizations.

a

that the

in

Associations represented

conference

Bankers Association,

edge of the aims
these

officers

by the respective

covered

American

the

also held at each of these conferences of the Presidents,

other

Associations and,

earnest consideration.

Association

our

from 40 States

4,000 bankers

over

to

as

press,

the

relations

these conferences

ing in
are

the

^

bankers

as

newspapers,

that

of the activities -ffMhe

but they have made

of

study their

understand.

"Protecting Investment "Values in Land."

on

Association

reading and worthy of
American

me

has

statements

has

booklet

contributions
of

for instaling

services

the

take

to

knowledge of the true
and

issued

divisions

andl formulated methods

plans

Agricultural Commission
inventories

erosion and

four

income loan

by

interesting

is

through

their
from

influence

completed two
members.

our

their

uniform

A

charges.

has

would

opportunity

being put forth by the bankers present to better their service

improve

anxious

are

chartered institutions to enable them to withdraw from this field.

During
has

by

these

by

the data

time

to

our

determining wherein

performed

time

as

be furnished currently accurate informa¬

may

basis for

a

well

as

of these agencies of

be continued and

made

to

as

functions

survey

are

operations

members

our

of

receive

received

of

'be furnished the members of

may

the

attended

were

it

representatives

the

consistent with

information

up-to-date

have

and

operating

Association, to the end that wherever sound banking policy will permit,

We

conferences

Union,

common

sound

operation of these government agencies

the

the

is

would

the main those
who
attended were the
operating executives of their institutions.
No
entertainment
was
provided,
as
these were strictly business sessions,
divided into general meetings covering broad subjects,
and supplemented
by clinics or forums on the more detailed phases of subjects of vital and
specific importance andi interest.
Debates from the floor were encour¬
aged and general discussions stimulated, and the sessions were open to
in

available through
people, these

comprehensive program of regional

-a

which

membership and provide a means whereby the bankers

the

Nation

the

of these agencies,

banking policy.
Therefore, this survey has been undertaken by the Committee

Committee

service

banking

on

to

efforts to take the mystery out of
public mind, and to this end I laid

best

existed in the

problems, the
laws and regulations under which they operate and, in common counsel,
devise the best methods of operation, at the same time fostering a better
understanding on the part of the public of the true functions of banks.
This program was approved: by the Administrative Committee, and three
conferences were held in Philadelphia, Memphis and Chicago, respectively.
of

are

of

-

my

Administrative

Association

fairness,

In

use

it

wherever

some

needs

wherever it

by the banks

and

important

as

would

invitation,

people several years

our

now

the financial

meet

at

I

conferences

over¬

yet

competition

agencies.

emergencies

for the government to create

as

and

intrest.

equally

of

fears aroused in the hearts of

necessary

should

best public

done

has

in

forward

banks,

chartered

survey

national

be able to secure

developed in the past.
I commend
of all those who as yet have not taken

have

as

inducted into office at New Orleans last November I gave a

was

the

before

in

to
the System

paid by

will

we

the

to

its

government's

in

our

our

banking

efforts

facts necessary

long step

a

our

Studies

with

the

that

with

prejudicial

but

functions

constitute

Banking

realize

by the widespread
ago,

will

be

connection

banks

all

must

have I believe

now

competition

not
on

in

chartered

our

will

Committee

effective

we

which

phase of

time

same

The

the

which

I

that

should

government and

of

competitive rate

of the

the

to light evidences of conditions which
the purpose of avoiding recurrences

from time to time for

similar character.

a

When

associations

voted to undertake research projects of this character.
This
cannot be completed within ^a short space of time, but

t;

depositaries

acutely by many banks in our membership.
The
on
Banking Studies will be printed shortly and
members of the Association, and with the back¬

so

to

facts

of

basis of

heads

administrative

established

Savings

Committee

available

remedial

the

an

Postal

where

with the proper

us

the

might

we

clearly

medium

this

territories

elimination

Congress

that

95.1%.

through

in

order

in

of

response

fortifies

case

which

ground

a

secured
banks

report
made

information

accurate

information

sentiment

we

steps of

the

the present time

at

containing 84% of the banking resources of the country,

activity to the consideration

These

to the competition

regard

that

advised

am

situations such

unhappy

this

important committee.

With

a

which

correction

pledge

last
convention of our Association regarding the competition with our char¬
tered
banking institutions represented in the operation of the Postal
Savings System and the government's lending, agencies.
A Btudy of these
two subjects was entrusted to the Committee on Banking Studies, whose
membership consists of two or more representatives from each Federal
Reserve District who, at the same time, are representative of every size,
type and classification of bank in our membership.
This work has been
most ably and energetically carried on under the leadership of First VicePresident
Smith, who at my request continued in the chairmanship of
We

I

38 States,

work

a

need

shrinkage in the field of pure commercial credit through the economic

the

in

in

are

is

in

are

intimate knowledge of

measures.

some

familiar with banking conditions in the
position to make recommendations, based
these conditions, for corrective legisla¬

bankers

of

who

areas

requires continuous study to bring

banking has suffered during the recent depression.

which the business of

Committees

the supervision

have formally

strong

a

evils

over-chartering

of

the

in

effort

pioneering

and

their

tive

banking structure in this

sound

a

this exhaustive study by this important Com¬
influence in preventing a recurrence of

The circulation of

country.
mission
the

in the maintenance of

interested

others

a

State

respective

membership, the heads of government, leading educational institutions and

this

number of research projects have been undertaken
other associations of bankers "^which we heartily
have been appointed to gather and disseminate data

the year

endorse.

upon

of

success

education.

various

under

the

towards

ability

During

published a
Economic Policy Commission,

our

of

by

end, we

To that

existence.

prepared by

comprehensive report

the

on

necessity

and

regard to

paid, particular

have

we

of over-chartering of banks by the creation of new banks or
establishment of competitive branches in communities where there is

the question

The highest praise should go to those conducting this school
the faculty who have given so generously of their

the members of

to

time

Association.
In

of Dr.

Banking.

and

field

effectively,

to

understand¬

fundamental principles of banking and economics than that
in the Graduate School of Banking under the able direc¬
Harold Stonier, Educational Director of the American Institute

the

of

tion

matters of moment respecting legislation have come up
action, and educational work has been undertaken,
of which cannot be estimated in advance, we have not hesitated
committee

requiring

doubling that of

enrollment

an

being carried on

\vhen

ing times,

with

completed

was

I know of no undertaking which will be more productive

year.

high ethical standards of bank management and a thorough

ing

In these chang¬

by the Administrative Committee and Executive Council.

the

of

School

Graduate

the first

supervision and control of
adhered to as strictly as possible.

careful

in

and the officers

grasp

of

the

problems

of

of

our

Association.

understanding

I

am

between

State

knowl¬

satisfied

the

the

staff

Bankers

the

State Associations might gain a

better

in

and

order that the American

that

officials

26

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

Another
that

benefit

they

trate

upon

much

the

which

to

Nation-wide

a

the

of

these

unable

to

attend,

place

has

believe

accrued

of the

conferences

these

is

to concen¬
character which will contribute

conferences

and in order that
those who
and discussions which took

be made available to

might

debates

the addresses,

a valuable addition
banking literature in portraying present-day banking thought in this

to

Banking."

Unquestionably, this book constitutes

one

is not possible

it

year

conferences as may be held

gained this year, such

in the future will be

ever-increasing value and productive of even greater benefits.
would like to record my

I

of

whom

made

undertaking.
the

staff

these

conventions

ciation,

with

burden

appreciation
of

well

and support from
like

was

conduct

holding

meetings of

limitation

of

thus

program,

and

the

three

the Asso¬

time

for

entailing

fine cooperation

their

the stock

in

the

Association,

felt

of

well

which

trative

Federal

the

pretty

was

Administration

proposals

many

not

be

able

to

not

be

able

small
and

the

felt by our

and leaders

Con¬

in

M.

in

and

interests of

involved

Chairman of the

In

and

these

both

of

consideration of

the

free

Federal

and

the

these

have

we

the

the views

Senate
have

we

opportunity

submit
the

to

have

of

where

legislative

changes in

of

the

and

officials

of

sit

with

the

Bankers

Association

we

been

has often

policy
well

as

govern¬

in

as

and

appear

made of

pursued

legislators in the

banking structure

the

of

instances

many

Association

the

of

have had

regulations and affording

the

Mention

America

in

helpful in
such

of

and comments.

bankers

government.
have

which

I

can

assure

in

other

drafting

rules

and

of

regula¬

During recent administrations

have

you

existed have been

been

building

up

closer;

a

officials

that

during the past

year

the

most

satisfactory in that we have
frankly discussing these matters not only with the

the opportunity of

supervisory
in

supervisory authorities

most

representatives
in

We

cooperative contact, both with the Congress and the supervisory

of

relations

these

drafts

by the supervisory authorities.

American

more

had

with

have been

adoption

countries,

issued

Comptroller of the Currency.

tentative

us

recommendations

desirability

tions

System, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corpo¬

the

agencies

making available to
us

of

discussions

frank

and

ment,

Reserve

office

of

but

government

with

the

committees

of

the

of

may

is my

of

be in

Bankers

Association to continue to have the opportunity
the leaders in Congress and the officials of government
practical, operating bank executives on the subject of

presenting to

the

viewpoint

of

such

regulations and interpretations prior to their issuance.
In order that
the viewpoint of those of us who are daily engaged in rendering this great
economic service to the people may be given
consideration, our approach
be

should

between
will

such

the

that

Association

our

fine
and

and

the

cordial

relations

which

supervisory officials

have

of the

most

difficult

problem regarding

legislation

which

with

we

were

during the pastry ear developed in connection with the Revenue
of 193®.
■>;'-''" y..

Among the provisions of this bill
tributed

earnings,

conflict

with

strengthen

the

additional

include

to

if

program

the capital

made

were

which,

was

one

applied to
undertaken

structure
banks

of

in

in

The

banks

tax

on

of

this

Proposals

country.

undistributed

earnings

with

which might have temporarily taxed the banks at
but the principles involved in these proposals were destructive
to the capital structure of the banks upon which the
security of depositors
a

exemptions

lower rate,

depends, and
for

we

all know that with the FDIC in

strong bank capital,

to

down

tear

the banks

this
the

and

strength

existence

we

legislation which would have

any

would

not

be in

the

best

must
a

build

tendency
of

interests

either

Thousands of banks failed during the depression
sufficient capital structure to withstand the
tremendous
depreciation
of
assets
which
took
place.
The American
Bankers Association took the position that
banking Bhould not be included
because

in

the

flat

they

public.

did

not' have

proposals to tax undistributed earnings,

but shouldl be

our

showed

strengthen

and

conserve

the

capital

structure

of

banks

of

of

funds

depends

upon

reserves.

the

the

the

These

layman,

regulations

philosophy.
the

at a

were prepared which
banking law and regulation to date aimed

every

urged prudent management because banks

the

a

hearing

and

the

accumulation

and

briefs,

were

showing
Many
on

people

which

were

supplemented by

the

integrity of their
preservation

of

are

and

the

were

their

a

structure

surplus

and

drafted1
an

in
language understandable
outline of all previous laws and

proposed legislation was of
conferences were also held and

an

entirely

briefs

contrary

submitted

the bill before the Finance Committee of the Senate.




of

custodians

capital

under

been

that

law.

without

these

estates

history

The

the

and

which

fiduciary

corporate

a

existing

of

advice, guidance
legacies are soon

at

the Revenue Act of 1936

as

to

exclude banks from

well

as

in

as

the

passed

was

we

provisions of the

phases

regard to other

the

done

membership of
this

in

Association

our

connection

and

the

the

splendid!

assistance

fine

of

rendered

Vice-President Smith; Robert M. Hanes, Chairman of the
Federal Legislation; Charles H. Mylander, Chairman of the
Taxation, and the office of

constitutes

of

General Counsel.

our

report of the high points of the year's
and I feel it is now appropriate that I give
a

the Association,

resume

is

views concerning general conditions affecting banking

my

encouraging to note the

industrial
able

recovery,

these

to

course,

All

of

to my

all

payrolls

also

are

According

up.

funds

and, of
available

are

outldok,

encouraging

an

this business

without

revival

but the

question

be sustained

can

readjustments

some

in

certain

comes

to

trend

the

and!

vital

factors

of

situation.

economic

our

gives

whether

continue

upward

and

expansion.

this
to

as

con¬

since June,

sticks, business is rapidly reviving,

all know that ample bank and investment

we

business

for

mind

other measuring

and

monthly total during July

factory employment

and

1931,

the highest

favor¬

a

the increase; construction

on

power output has advanced to a new high
record; car
increased contra-seasonally to the highest levels since Octo¬

electric

1931;

loadings have
ber,

which is being made in

progress

Steel production is

reached

tracts awarded

steady

general business conditions have continued

as

upward trend.

remains

still

serious

a

unemployment

situation

with,

be met

to

mind, is the key to many of our problems.
Furthermore, we must
that
expenditures, Federal, State and municipal, must be

realize

definitely

brought

more

taxation

which,

in

deficit

times

in

control.

under

if allowed

retarding business

caused

to

Also,

With

recovery.

have

we

substantially,

increase

regard

bound

expenditures

to

financing, I think every fair-minded
emergencies, occasioned by war,

duty to the people of the Nation,

expenditures of funds.
sion,

which

during

economic

ployment.

All

conditions

shelter.

values

of

must

us

people

our

Likewise,

shrank

millions

depressions

have

we

that

in

such

to

starve

been

confronted

in

deflationary

of

unable to

were

allowed

agree

cannot be

that
some

or

by virtue of its

workings

the

people

our

have

serious world-wide depres¬

very

a

through

of

which

undertake steps involving unusual

must

We have been in

and

forces,

result

to

recognizes

man

national

of

times

obtain

and

recent

fertile

farm

land,

floods

and

have

also

want

for

of

with serious

years

brought

em¬

such

under

suffer

or

droughts, dust storms and other disasters which have devastated large
of

of

problem

the

is

cataclysm of nature, the Federal Government of necessity,

areas

and

distress

great

destruction.

During these emergencies, when the people located in
rendered powerless

been

government to assist

factors,
take

if

be

will

ments

possible

as

to

are

we

to help

in such

business

the

continue

forward
create

in

channels

business

rules have

for

the

far

as

that

affected

areas

duty of

the

the

are

this

If

andl

must

we

work

rapidly

as

accomplished,

be

can

foundations

firm

on

recovery,

State and municipal govern¬

and

can

go

enterprise and invention

to

greater employment.

major

factor

in

business

definitely

established

will

to

add

this

problem

the

is

uncertainty surrounding

any

When

operates.

been

assurances

business

present

Federal,

spirit of American

possible

as

we

the

was

definitely under control

more

traditional

it

But making allowance for these

budgetary balancing.

assured

mind,

my

removing

such

be

the

new

In

brought

towards

will

themselves,

calamities.

steps by which the budgets of

their

leaders

and

these

that

to

forward,

go

their

increase

of

rules under

assured

are

encouraged

are

confidence,

necessity

the

willingness

extend

to

their operations, and thereby increase the capacity of business
unemployment through sound reemployment.
A
toward this goal would be a review by the government of its

to cure

One step

whole relief program,
which of necessity had to be developed rapidly,
looking toward the elimination of waste and duplication.
/
The question of taxation is vital and related! to this problem,/and it
to

seems

on

that

me

serious need

of

sounder

a

about

33%

income

taxes

onlv

of

income

77

of

1925

when

This

involves

I

State

and!

1935.

it

the

In

31%.

by

that

advised

am

to

diminished

burden

billions.

Federal,

cur

municipal

systems!are

tax

study and consideration of the possibility
basis.

from

was

serious

total

10-vear period

same

out

of

in

increased

the national

taxes

national

a

in

of being placed
burden

tax

Ten billion dollars

be collected

muBt

the

is

very

a

income of

58

was

approximately the case in 1935.
In 1925, however,
about 7% billion dlollars were collected out of a national
billion

dollars.

politics

partisan

do

I

but

not

of

is

believe

this

fundamental

Is

a

which

question
all

to

concern

people

regardless of what political party is in power.
An

philosophy of

nature which

to

taxed

approach to this subject of taxation, briefs

the

provision allowing common
as an association.
We

a

taxed

and the national welfare.

rate.

In

to

or

it

has

efforts

our

advise

foregoing

activities of
you

direct

by the government to rebuild and

the

the

which placed a tax on undis¬

banks, would have been

undistributed earnings

on

that the beneficiaries under small estates

proper

handle

legacies

in

was

First

which

confronted
Act

by

me

existed

government

be continued.

The

to

corporate fiduciary

a

to

work which

have

belief that regardless of party politics or what administration
power, in the best interests of all concerned it is imperative

for the American

correspond to the

legislation.

desire

I

Congress

charge of banking matters.
It

being

undistributed earnings,

taxing

There

and

without

will therefore note that

successful

were

adminis¬

conferences

members

many

Committee

of the Association with

Congress.

officials

government

analysis

Hanes,

and the officers

leaders

affect the

some

The Banking Act of 1935 required interpretation of certain provisions
through the promulgation of rules and ^regulations by the Board of Gover¬
of

help of

law

expressed.

ration

A tax

group.

place this business with

and

estates

You

my

satisfactorily

was

only right and

shouldl

on

affecting banking,

to

appear

careful

most

the House courteous and attentive

nors

the

in

handled

would

on

enacted in the last session, this did

was

of Robert

part

and

the

from

none

glance did

Legislation,

officials

received
and

the

on

Federal

on

first

required

all

conferences

the

as

introduction of

at

even

but

banks,

banking legislation

be

to

was

Committee

and helpfulness in this

of the Banking Act of 1935, it

Although

Congress.

preclude the

it

Committee

major banking legislation should be enacted in the Seventy-

no

funds

trust

It

passage

as

that

fourth

the banks

of

the

in connection with all other matters during this

major

There
whose

make. loans,

or

built up to

would have defeated this purpose.

great

a

the staff.
I would like to express
Manager Shepherd and the members of

for

as

of

question

settled with

not

deposits

and

business.
I am referring to strictly trust institutions.
problem of the holding companies.
The Banking Act of 1935
provides that in order that depositors be protected1, a bank holding com¬
pany must build up its surplus according to a percentage of its ownership
in

administrative year.

gress,

legislation were 'many.

this

accept

preserved

the

of

of

Executive

to

as

the

of

the

of

out

members

Association

the

undertaking,

conferences

this

of

success

execution

customary scheduled

problem

carrying

the

planning,

these

the

to

further

the

upon

the

in

Conducting

and

the

toward

the finest possible cooperation

Association

in addition

preparation

As

with

either

dissipated.

those who conducted the clinics,

contributions

valuable

I received
the

of

conferences.

staff

not

to be

their

increase

appreciation to the 108 speakers who addressed

the conferences and led the debates, and to
all

connection
did

Also, we were desirous of having included
administrative

short

to cover all the
ground which should be covered, and, to a great extent, our efforts this
year were
of a pioneering character.
I am therefore most hopeful that
this program of regional conferences will be continued in future adminis¬
trations of the Association, and I am quite sure that, with the experience
of

in

which

We had

country.
In

problems

banks

capital structure had

compiled and published by "Banking," under the title "Present-

were

Day

Our
were

a

of

program

from

country an opportunity

development of the best banking service,

benefits

were

I

bankers

afforded the

examination

of

the

municipal governments
the Nation
tion.

tions.
to

of

a

as

There

objects

is

whole, there

burden,

devising

for

measures

by

that

quite
large

administrative

Moreover,

imposed
fact

are

exceedingly

an

Imposed

from
a

the

by Federal,

standpoint

effect

few situations which need

number

of

where

cases

and

State

of

duplication and overlapping of taxes practically

unnecessary

tax

taxes

upon

correc¬

the

same

taxation are subject to taxation by different taxing Jurisdic¬

This

taxpayer.
the

various

discloses that,

other

the

in
I

for

most

doubt

raising

expense
cases

that

effects

the legislators
are

these

of

always

Consideration
of

annoyance

it brings about unfair

revenue

jurisdictions.

economic

and unnecessary

the

to

distribution

mindful
are

leads

Jurisdiction,

one

should

duplications

always

be

of

the

given

not

to

always

of

in

faxes

the
con-

27

GENERAL SESSION.
fined
is

particular State in which the taxed individual or corporation

to the

taxes

tax system is its

our

devised,

being

continually

are

being

in

defect

serious

New

lack of certainty.

and^the old

taxes

continually

are

in form and: effect.
In making plans for the future,
and corporations cannot foresee the new forms of taxes they

changed

individuals

called

be

may

threaten

tions

the

feel that the

and yet these future taxes may seriously
of their businesses.
Often even past transac¬
For example, I cannot help but

retroactive tax.

on

undistributed profits, enacted on June 22 of this

to

Jan.

tax

new

has

1,

had

the

disturbing effect upon

a

of our corporations.
It may be that there has been some
avoidance through the unnecessary retention of corporate earnings, but

future
tax

plans

evil in some other way than by an undistributed

attempt to cure this

an

profits tax might have been

I believe in the right of

the wiser course.

self-government, which has contributed so much to the growth of America
and American institutions, and I fear the effects of a penalty tax on a

earnings.
Legislation
which is aimed not only to raise revenue but to effect a social change
must be considered and designed most carefully if we would escape grave
dislocations to our economic structure.
Moreover, such legislation must
wide

be

imperative

even

or

accumulation

less

avoid

to

complexity

in

being carried

now

both

the

and

laws and a more practical and busine6s-like
whole subject and a common understanding between
tax

our

this

of

examination

to

inequities

current

the general theory of our income tax, in
double taxation.
We need certainty and

with

synchronized properly

order

of

Such

on.

is expensive

retards business and

litigation

and

government

the taxpayer.

standardized and no
sudden
changes in method are made.
It would seem to me that an
eramination of this whole subject and a common understanding between
the States and the Federal Government as to which types of taxation will
I

advised

am

that

in

their

England

taxes

bond portfolio is playing an important part in the
and I believe it is highly essential that each and
on its staff officers and employees trained in the
and analysis of securities.
Pursuant to requirements of law,

are

have

institution

every

examination

Comptroller of the Currency recently issued a regulation which is a
step in pointing the way to the purchase of sound securities.

the

constructive
The

pay,

existence

retroactive

but

year

to

upon

very

reaohed by a

are

thatNhe

but

question

earning assets of bathks,

throughout the Nation.

but may extend

located,
Another

of

purchase

bond

a

is

extension

an

of credit the same as the

this part of the

of a loan, and officers and employees handling

granting

should be just as conversant with the trends, and as
carefully schooled in the examination and analysis of securities as the
lending officers must be in that phase of the bank's activities; even
more so,
because in the extension of credit to borrowers, the officers are
usually well acquainted with the borrowers, whereas very few of those who
manage the corporations whose issues we buy are intimately known to the
officials of the purchasing bank.
Another factor to which I think we must give careful consideration is
bank's

operations

Federal

of

that

is no doubt but

There

insurance.

deposit

that in this

occasioned by the lack of demand for loans on
part of the public and the abnormally low rates at which funds can
be employed, the assessments for Federal deposit insurance, coupled with
other increased costs,
presents a serious problem to the management of
our banks.
When the existing law was under consideration by the Con¬
period

earnings,

low

of

the

of the American Bankers Association took
FDIC should be given some latitude
levying of assessments.
We felt that at whatever percentage the
assessment was fixed, the directors should have the right to assess up to
that amount, so that if the operations of the corporation were successful,
and when the assessment proved too heavy a drain upon the members, the
Committee

Special

the

gress,

position that the Directors of the

the

the

^in

directors would have the right to adjust the basis of assess¬
Representatives took the position that the rate should

Corporation's

The House of

ment.

fixed

be

at

and be mandatory, and when the

of 1%

%

bill went to the

assist in assuring
business stability.
If this question can be settled and our taxes standard¬
ized in form, changes then would not take the form of new taxes, with
their
resultant
unsettling
economic effects,
but revenue requirements
would be adjusted by raising or lowering the rate.
I realize that this may be difficult of accomplishment; nevertheless, I
think the question of taxation, which in the past few years has taken
between 25% and 30% of the income dollar of each citizen, is worthy of
the most serious consideration and study, to see if satisfactory readjust¬
ments cannot be made.
It is my understanding that some thought has
been given to this problem, and I feel it is important for our consideration
because of the taxes burdening the individual and corporate customers of
banks, for inequitable, uncertain and complicated taxes imposed upon the
public are bound to react unfavorably upon the business of banking.
With a total public debt, Federal, State and local, of approximately 58
billion dollars, it is obvious that the tax burden for some years to come
must be considerable.
I therefore urge that you lend a helping hand in

1/12 of 1% was agreed upon as a compro¬
mise, with no latitude being given the directors of the Corporation in
levying the amount of the assessment.
We have all observed the successful operation of
the Corporation as

reconsideration of this vitally important question.
future of American banking.
During the year,

address Leo T.
Crowley, Chairman of the FDIC, made the following statement:

levied

be

to

the

support

stimulating interest in
few words

A

as

a

the

to

have

I

through

the

country

governments would

respective

bankers

with

made

from

of

conventions

able

State

nationally-known leaders in various types of banking, I have

addressed to
been

Conferences on Banking Service and the annual
Associations, and from replies to inquiries I have

to

secure

a

All

of

as

to

which
constituted a large percentage of our earning assets at the time of the
inauguration of the Federal Reserve System, and immediately thereafter,
have shrunk to the point where they can be considered no longer the
major source of bank earnings.
This decrease in commercial borrowing is
not directly attributable to the depression, although, of course, such com¬
mercial
borrowings as did exist were lessened by the ravages of the
depression.
In

judgment, for the present at least,

my

relied

which

were

commercial loans cannot be

that the position of
relief in the amount
law to provide the
directors of the Corporation with latitude.
It would seem that a step
toward making this possible would be for us to give full cooperation to
the supervisory authorities in our relations with them regarding the con¬
assessment,

dition

of

not need this banking
change in the method and

capital position to the point where they did

service.

nated

of

of

the

been

has

are

some

the

will

increase,

resultant

economic

of

commercial

credit.

But,
as

earnings

a

not be

of the Federal

balancing

rates

created by

budget

for earning

assets

deficit financing and,

there will be a restoration of the volume
present at

for the

least, this

does not

seem

feel, it might be brought about by the tax

some

which, however,

introduces other factors

requir/

for an extended period of years In order to meet
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Is anxious
that consideration be given to an adjustment of the assessment, but It Is not willing
to do so until bank management and supervision have clearly demonstrated that the

statement

This

look

to

than

other

to

fields

commercial

true

to

employ

where

loans,

soundness of the borrower,

in

of credit,

6uch

over

making loans of this kind

reasonable period of years,

and other

credit and home financing.

However,

a

instalment

as

loanable funds, such as loans other
the credit will be based upon the

the assets Securing the loan and the borrower's

ability to amortize the loan
types

our

every

banker must

take into consideration

the

type and character of his deposits and see if the volume and terms of

the

credit to be

extended

ing what I would
I think

we

applications
able

term

should

are

should

the best

in

are

an

realize

public interest, always maintain¬

adequate degree of liquidity.
that our customers are not bankers, and when

made for loans

which

at first do

not appear to be bank¬

the proposition to see if it cannot be
placed in bankable form.
If the loan can be made bankable, we will
acquire a good earning asset, and if it cannot be made bankable, then,
in .the interest of good public relations, I think we should take pains to
clearly and frankly explain the reasons why the request cannot be granted.
Looking at our immediate future, attention must be directed also to
we

increase

the

believe

great

examination
the

|

in

carefully

the

care

of

the

analyze

investment
be

must

records

portfolio

exercised
of

these

in

of the banks of the
the

purchase of

institutions

wjiich

Nation.

securities.

failed

I
An

to survive

depression clearly indicates the necessity for carefully analyzing the

character

of

securities

prior




to

and

clearly indicates a

Crowley

by Mr.

The answer rests

sympathetic under¬

)
which, if adopted, I believe would be

have in mind another suggestion

I

sound basis.

authorities and with the bankers themselves."

standing of this problem.

helpful in the operation of the FDIC and the maintenance

most

of a sound

That is, the appointment of an Advisory Board con¬
sisting of well-trained bankers, who would be selected with due regard
for geographical representation, and rotated annually or bi-annually, which
could do much to assist the Corporation and the insured members, who
have such a vital interest in its successful operation.
These men should
banking structure.

without

serve

receiving

compensation,

only

reimbursement

for

such ex¬

they incur incident to the discharge of their duties.
will recall that in his address before our annual convention

as

You
New

the creation of such

a

in

Crowley gave expression to the desira¬

Mr.

November,

last

Orleans,

board.

With deposit insurance in exist¬
all concerned that there be the

I believe it is to the best interest of

ence,

closest

We
been

cooperation between the bankers of this country and the FDIC.
have all learned much in the trying years through which we have
.

There is now greater knowledge

passing.

before

among

bankers than ever

regarding economic conditions and the influences which occasioned
in the past
Furthermore, governmental statistics and informa¬

available which give us a better view¬
and which were not at our disposal
in the past.
The capital position of the banks of the country has been
materially strengthened, and I view with optimism and confidence the
ability of the banks of the country to make healthy and sound progress,
for chartered banking is as vital today to the economic life of the Nation
and as able to service the needs of our people as ever in the history of

tion

following

purchase.

There

is

no

respecting banking

now

are

point of general banking conditions

country.
President

The

to me that at least for the time being we will have

seems

has been put on a permanently

banking system

our

ing careful consideration in the extension of credit.

Therefore, it

promptly

of

difficulties

confidence,

business

funds will

unless,

occur

with

that

of

conditions improve,

undistributed

large inven¬

borrowing.

feel

return

surplus

as

likely to

who

and distribution which has elimi¬

formerly existed for carrying

which

need

requiring commercial

There

and

complete

a

transportation

manufacture,

much

tories

there

Also,

rapidity

on

brought about where many corpo¬
at seasonal periods built up

was

borrowers

policy

bank supervision If we should be required

•'It would be a serious indictment of

bility of

situation

a

the

the bank losses of the future.

which

commercial

to

than allowing them to accumulate.

to collect 40 million dollars annually

for

were

adhering

by

regard it is interesting to observe that in a recent

In this

rations

securities,

and

institutions,

our

charging off all losses currently rather

market

their

it would seem

Corporation would justify the granting of some
which would necessitate a change of

the

penses

earning asset

the chief

as

and

trend

Nevertheless,

depression.

of

period
of

in our portfolios, for due to con¬
ditions following the 1923
deflation, when huge inventory losses were
sustained, coupled with the activity of investment houses and the strong
upon

Since the Corporation was
a period where values of assets
the capital position of the banks
licensed to reopen has been strengthened, so that to date we
a true basis of experience upon which to judge its needs in a
have gone through

we

upward

an

last July.

published

its report

course,
on

not have

do

of earnings and the shrinkage

recognize that true commercial loans,

We all

loans.

commercial

in

of

been

have

with the supervisory

the business

concerned with the question

are

us

good cross-section of banking thought
of banking.

very

what the future holds for

by

created,

rate of

mandatory

a

disclosed

all parts of the

at the Regional

contacts

conferees

Bankers

American

the

of

Association

is

extended

the

invitations to address many public gatherings..
During the
past year I have felt it was my distinct duty not only to accept invita¬
tions
to address banking groups but business
groups as well.
I have
courtesy

of

companies

broadcasting

radio

afforded through the courtesy of the
present our objectives to the public,

myself of opportunities

availed

also

to

desire to render every helpful service, and in
to clear up any misunderstanding
of banking which may have been created in the minds of the people by
those who have preached fallacies regarding banking.
acquainting them with

our

by public utterances I have sought

all

I have also tried

In these addresses

their

in

ment

efforts

to

prevent

a

to assist the departments of govern¬

return

the overchartering

of

mania

proved so disastrous to our banking system in the past, by showing
these audiences the fallacy of the belief that more banks create greater

which

prosperity
in

this

served

and

conditions

while

that

country,

to

must have an adequate number of banks
In communities already adequately
return of the same
many failures.
I have pointed out to these

we

charter

banks

banking facilities would only result in a

with

which

caused

so

that any hanking institution, it it is to properly serve the people,
be strong, a id that it can only remain sound when its earnings are

groups

must

I

adequate.
which
fact

have

that

have
been

banks

also
made

do not

endeavored
that

banks

to
coin

coin money but

expose

the

money,

fallacy

of

statements
to the

calling attention

that It is coined by the Federal

BACKERS' CONVENTION.

28
Government

tion;
that

by virtue of

that

neither

while

with

do

is true

it

transactions

between

a

when

in

faith

assume

future

risks

itself

to

nor

grant

which

men

in

but

of credit,

field

the

be repaid

to

are

credit

originates in business and not in banks.
before these groups, and in the wider audience provided

In

appearances

have been able to bring about a

by the medium of the radio, I believe I
better
In

understanding between bankers and the public.
the formulation of

am

sure

gentlemen

are

to

my

express

their

time,

which

also

preparation

the

and

information

us

subjects of specific banking interest,

such

and

appreciative

trust

two

gentlemen,

respective
views
I

who

subjects
these

on

feel it

which

and

relations,

is

approach

the questions of investments

as

of the

in

here

coming

courtesy

that I

I

express

to

problems.

the

public and

all

must

for

proposals

character of our
recognize that unsound

introduced in the various Legislatures

understanding of the true functions of banks, and that in their activilegislators
I

ents.

tion

that

urge

to

the

normally

correct

a

create

will

it

condition

some

desires

and

it

sections of the

wjder understanding

J&nks

of

the views

reflect

people^of the various

create

tions

great extent due to a lack of knowledge

of

constitu-

their

recognize that where there is a demand for legisla-

we

or

usually reflects the opinion of
Therefore,

country.

if

we

much

to

are

not in

the public interest.

allay

for

demands

changes

in

the

or

By Clabence Francis, President

audience

great honor to be invited out here to speak before

a

important

as

this—before

as

men

influential

as

And by "influential" I am thinking at the moment not

voice in the market place.

your

American

confidence

do

Rather, I have in mind

as

amendments

such

opposing

doing

constructive

bankers

that

should

we

if

the

public and

partisan

a

duty to the

our

and

we

not

well,

as

in

Association

we

enacted,

take

ever

fail

to

pro-

If

constructive

are

legislation

bound

are

Bankers
of

will win

as

serve.

we

the public interest

upon

we

our

such

as

be

which

the

of

believe

not
do

we

interest

banking
i

I

well

is

#which it

which

sessions

prior

call

to

which

cannot

present

shareholders

whom

position

the

bound to
will

public

gift which

The greatest

opportunity for useful service.
that

me

by

opportunity

Committee

Federal

on

endeavored

have

have

placed

in

the

to

you,

my

betterment

of

con-

proposals

new

session

Acts adopted

of

in recent

reconsideration,

by

man

serve

his

some

associates

years

you

of
the

is

have given

you

Chairman

as

Vice-President,

as

and

last November

me

and conscientiously

banking.

of

In

in

of

the

finally

as

desire

deep

my

the

Orleans,

trust

you

contribu-

some

extend

to

appreciation

and for the opportunity

me

New

fulfill

closing, ,1

banking world,

honor you have bestowed upon
to

this

next

hope I have been able to make

the

in

to

to

me

elected

you

and I

associates

the

In

At the close of this convention I retire from

faithfully

to

me,

in

During the last five

Legislation,

office to which

for

up

given

selecting

President of the Association.
the high

of emergency

of

bankers

operation,

be

can

The

constructive approach

our

introduced

come

which will vitally affect financial

high

depression.

the

be

number

a

expiring

are

the

the

continue

future will bring.
to the fact that many

attention

are

to

way

to

must

we

problems

change

its

on

enjoyed

recognize that

desire

legislative

for

I

In

also

must

conduct

our

effects

American

best

the

America must

me

Hero

I consider it

'"the

of

in

case

tion

can

the part of the public of the true func-

on

do

banking structure which

carefully

serve.

we

the

upon

and
ties

membership

I
if

for

Congress, and in addition

depends

We

are

Association,

an

political position,

our

is

should realize

banking interests but

upon

As

detrimental

nection

their

in

Federal Congress to a

simply

the

the

in

present

opinion upon the manner in

my

with

relations

think much

proposals for banking legislation

we

that

and

one

in dealing with the

and

the

should

we

the confidence afr the people of the communities

us

the

of

authorities

outstanding

as

them,

to

our

two

these

ideas

timely importance.

handle

for

to

recognized

of

legislative change,

Very

am

are

appropriate

should

we

I

assigned

topics

give of

to

the addresses
of great value.

of

glance at the program that there are included

a

feel

opposed.

strongly
Association

fession is a dignified

of

of interest and

for their willingness

them

from

note

the benefit

us

messages

in

to

I

when it makes definite constructive proposals, but

as

show

appreciation to

available

make

work, just as truly

be

Bankers

should

give

to

experience

should

it

which has been to promote a better

and

deep

energy

will

You will

leaders

leaders

find their

think

American

offer recommeiyaations for

their views,
value.
These
in their respective fields of business, and I desire

will

you

made

are

when offering such opposition
for

understanding between banking and business, and, therefore, I have invited
I

I

the

cannot

to carry out another of my objectives,

and

then

ciples,

measures,

for this convention I have endeavored

the program

nationally-known business

proposals

experience and practical knowledge to help to so shape it.
On the other
hand, if it is the type of legislation which would change the character and
form of our government and is contrary to fundamental American prin-

obligations

transactions

out

carry

such

I have stated that
are willing to

or

at some
time, that through their services to business, chartered banks enable

citizens

our

on

into

where

analyze them and investigate the underlying causes for their introduction
in an endeavor to discover their effects upon banking and the public
interest if enacted into law.
If an analysis of the proposals indicates the
legislation can be made workable and constructive, we should use our

currency

extend

consumer,

enter

However,

create credit, explaining
credit, credit is initiated
confidence between buyer and seller or
and that the banker in extending credit

issue

secondary part in the creation of credit.
the future exists in the business world,
and

the Constitu-

under

granted Congress

power

predicated

producer and

only plays

the

banks

that banks

to

the

for

have given

you

serve.

Villain

General Foods Corp., New York, N. Y.
an

you are.

so

much about

your

influence for

man's

mouth

for

water

tempting foods, and when

you

to~it

down

come

about the only difference between your business and mine is that most
people
believe they have to sing for their breakfast, thank goodness!
But

still
as

for money, there is a belief that thai stuff ought to be distributed with

the good of the community, the example which you can set—and the rest

the compliments of the

of

of garden seeds.

expect you to set it!—in straight, hard but human thinking and in

us

playing the
That is

the

in a way that is both sportsmanlike and constructive.

game

It is enough to make

big order!

a

banking business, and

Sometimes

once

speaker likes to hold his message—and perhaps his audience

a

—for the end of his talk.

the best thing

say,

and then I

is

Well, I believe that if
And

to say it.

going to try to

am

hesitate about entering

any man

in, it is certain to test the stuff he is made of!

prove

so

1

am

room

have something to

going to say to

it—that

ership of the United States is in this

you

you

right

now—

important share of the lead¬

an

today—the economic and moral

Congressmen, like the

I will stick to the facts.
cause,

as

So this summer, while you

riding

or

your

indebted

am

use

was a

me

nights and Sundays and

that it

we

the habit of

we are

the general

problem of product

well.

And further, that I

convinced, from what I know

now,

that

am

of you banking chaps are not

a lot

taking the place in the front of the picture where
If I

can

selves

in

do

leap among

that each

so

full stature, if I

your

that will

today than to hold

no more

man

you

sincerely and heartily

up a

you

you see your¬

only strike the warm, human spark

can

from elbow to elbow, from shoulder to shoulder,

will become

aware

of his neighbor as if for the first time,

and will suddenly say to himself:

can

get you to do something like that, I will feel that I

you,

and in

with

you

am

to

generous

today.

measure,

Yes,

I

am

I went into pretty much

Lord, what do they want

what

mere

are

a

termed

message

dither.

a

for?"

gentlemen,
way

asked

I said to

I

My temptation

was to

me

we

of the food business

ramifications

talK about the wide scope and the ramifications
a

discounts?

Or

should

money—the

I

cinch, for I

assure you

we

have the

advances

nold them spellbound

of

the

Reserve

banks,

by setting them straight

gold standard, the commodity dollar, international
or,

cur¬

perhaps, somebody said, in this

tolerant California setting, the Florida Ship Canal dollar
might win a sym¬
After
there

ear.

much

new

cogitation, I said: "No, by golly!

That is out.

about boloney that I can tell to a banker?

ing what should be
in the

cards."

rearrangement

our

of

our

anyone

to

say

most of our thinking is

prejudices.

And

so

What is

In fact," I said to

with finality anything regard¬

permanent monetary policy?

You know,

No, that just isn't
oftentimes merely

I decided to stick to

what

through,

am

gentlemen,

perhaps

more

important,

are

very

much worth while.

you

will know

more

yourselves

yesterday;—and,

about the tremendous job that lies ahead

more

Briefly,

we

have made two nationwide

in the

cornfields

and in

the

trying to learn how to make

B. A. bankers,at the crossroads

metropolis—about

your

problems and

your

customers.

Second,

we went to

50,000 average citizens—a scientifically fair sampling

—In all walks of life, on Park Avenue
poor,

and "back of the tracks," rich and

workers, housewives and storekeepers, in all parts of the country, to

learn what John Citizen and Mrs.

The

done:

mine.

answers are not

I interviewed those

among

had

a newspaper

of

some

you

were

helped by the

good friends that I have in the banking world.

The

re¬

bankers—an astonishingly outspoken response, straight from

shoulder, it

eral public.

reporter would have

The questions in the survey

news.

members of the American Bankers Association

advice of
sponse

Citizen think about you.

I did what
who

too—guided

was,

Let

us

our

countrywide inquiry among the

look at the facts.

First, what have

gen¬

you bankers been

telling me?

A business

his bankers.
than

the

goodwill
a

lot

bronze

may

Banker Survey

write off "goodwill" at SI.

The chances

manufacturing

as

more

man

as

you can

Association members reveals!

a

on

the question of

is

a

steelfand

a

friendly attitude

tragedy, an economic tragedy

friendly attitude toward the banks, the

you

Is

you say

how

manyl

Only 58 bankers out of every 100 believe that the public

has

nearly half of

more

banker?

word of you bankers yourselves the Ameri¬

impairs the national wealth to the tune of—well,

million dollars.

a

I think it is worth

sculptured marble, fireproof

toward the banks—and I say that this
that

goodwill at

about

pack into a bank structure.

public is far from unanimous

can

how

to the manufacturer?

than all the magnificent

grillwork that

Now,

properties.

important to him

But he is only kidding

he values his cuptomers'

are

I

a

We obtained, first, the

surveys.

views of the banking world—of 7,400 A.

a

have had to learn in the food industry—the human
equation, the X quality
which is mankind.
I have spent a lifetime




some

And I tnink that

I

Our survey shows that, on the

myself, "how is it possible for

hard and

about

Bank deposits, bank liquidation, the

industrial

stabilization, the boloney dollar;

pathetic

same

in the dark about the facts in

inquiries, I think,

The

credit,

We used the

in the food business have gotten into

aole to bring to you facts, not theories; an up-to-the-minute Candid

aplenty.

Well, what should I talk about?

availability of bank

devoted

before

the

bankers.

It would be

my

It kept them hustling

and about what the folk outside think of you than you did

myself:

I could not imagine

more

s

be¬

one.

Camera picture of yourselves, not a pretty studio pose.

repaying

endearing customers—I couldn't imagine wnat
of constructive, useful and original import I could bring to an
our

of the food industry.

rency

of

me out there

"prune peddler"—on, yes: that is what

by

assemblage of tne Nation

on

guest; but,

your

going to confess that when Mr. Fleming in his courteous
speak here,

am

for the privilege of appearing here

too,

proud to be

"Good

than

for American banking.

"Why!
I am not alone!
I have got mates on both sides of me—good,
trustworthy fellows, too.
And we are sharing the dangers and the tri¬
umphs: so let's get together in a brotherly way; let's take our rightful place
in the sun!—and together we will go places."
If I

am

to you,

use

ways

the merchandising of that product.

or

The results of these two
I

belong.

mirror and let

turning to whenever

tough job.

Labor Day.

even over

uncompromising research which

as

more

of this convention, and

leadership which should set the tone not only of American business but of
public

in

you

were out there in your palatial yachts,
I stayed benind to direct two difficult and

helpers

convinced

vo

chaps

polo ponies,

unique surveys, especially for the
soon

used to frank packets

I wanted very much to be of

industrialist, I

an

way they

survey

of American Bankers

Think of that, gentlemen.

In other words,

bankers are in doubt about the goodwill of your customers

and potential customers.

There is danger In such

a

situation.

And 11%

29

GENERAL SESSION.

This

Now let

public says later on.

us get at

the bankers' reasons for

A bank president in the

wasteful hostility or indifference.

this costly, this
corn
was

laconic.

Why?

belt said his community was "just indifferent."

He

"Past

wrote:

in

a

His answer

Western

Middle

Another

"too much propaganda adverse

on

Another wrote: "Some people who lost money in closed banks

to banks."

friendly."

Here is

experience."

antipathy

bank president blamed the

are not

We will see

of the bankers themselves, mind you.

the word

on

what the

town of more than

proportion of his sales

which

friendly

was

"indifferent."

as

banks.

of

management

He didn't bother to check the

25,000 population.

area

lumped the customers

bank in the Mississippi Valley

a

Bank

or even

should

executives

He just

unfriendly.

"Incompetent

He said,

Why?

required

be

to

pass

A banker in

elements."

a

town of under

He said: "The bankers

were

friendly.

who had to

called all kinds of names by those

A New

said,

England banker said the public

I wonder if it is the whole trutH*

but

I

The reason,

not friendly.

was

Well, that is an easy "out,"

"Dislike of people you owe."

was:

just wondering if the boyB

am

with the unfriendly customers aren't trying to alibi their own
to

adjust themselves to
Isn't there

.

changing day and

a

here on the Pacific

reluctance

of

a

us

Four out of five bank¬

have taken away business they would like to have.

said the bankers are increasing their personal loan

ers

a year ago.

A third of you bankers reported that the public

Now look at this one.

is reading your

advertising more than in the past; only 4% said "less."

Excuse me, gentlemen, but how

obtainable from your advertising

years?
they do

before that?

counters?

Why,
and

going out and making friends only in the past two

That is perfectly astonishing to

isolationist

an

behind

attitude

the

hardboiled survey of the problem.

a

Survey

tabulations, such as the statistics on the
banks in obtaining new business, in counseling local

As I said, we have many other

activities of American

outlook,* improving

of banks and the participations of

appearance

manufacturers

their

run our

friendship.

But J me, I am sorry to say,

on

truck

salesmen,

our

made all

drivers,

forces me to skip over to the larger cross-

This public inquiry was

sary;

less

and the company's products

to their

For instance, we asked

last-minute trends.

public: "Do you think it is as necessary to save for your old

It

significant question, as you

was a

Forty-four and six-tenths per cent §aid it was as neces¬

doubt realize.

no

everlastingly to sell the

company

Let UPdiginto it.

it was in your father's day?"

age as

I think it offers some

It is exciting news.

country.

We wanted trends—popular,

executives, stenographers, dietitians, demonstrators, and factory employees
friends.

the

over

valuable suggestions.

the American

legs off trying to corral the customers

We depend

lofficers

in community tasks.

marble

Wait for business to walk into the bank ?

we

win

Take

What did

food manufacturer!

a

that some

machinery; and one good way would be

section survey conducted among your customers.
Bank officers

seems to me

might well set about discovering the maximum "pay load"

of you fellows

to make

It

don't want guesses from bankers.

men

It is interesting, if
We

do you know that?

the crowd taking things for granted?

But isn't someone in

business

business for greater

About half said they are making more real estate mortgage loans

earnings.

business, data on the bankers' ideas of harmful legislation, the banking

Because the officers and employees
making friends and
regaining the confidence of the people, and have succeeded very well."

'Why?

in the past two years have gone out with the intent of

What?

27% said

Is instalment buying a good plan?

On the question:

The Public

thusiastic view of the public's attitude, when he wrote:

examine our survey.
We find
third said it

"Yes"; 33% said "No," and 34% said "okeh" with limitations and control.
Almost one banker in four said the small personal finance companies

small town banker out

Coast, where, incidentally, the survey showed an en¬

"Yes, the public is friendly.

Let

have charged?

some

as

changing market.

a

clue to the solution In the reply

a

1929,

a

that more than half of the bankers believe it did and about a

true.

find a'goat.*"

he

in

25,000 blamed "preaching l)y the radical

Another banker said the public's attitude was not

legislation has

banker in a Middle
Western city of over 25,000 population said: "I believe the FDIO weakens
good banks to keep poor ones alive."
Well, what about instalment buying?
Did it help wreck the country
But

given the public more confidence in the banks.

today than

examinations."

banks will make for fewer but much sounder ones." A banker

new

Eastern city of under 25,000 population said that the

an

didn't.

Well, that is possible.

forthright fellow, the head of

a

in

banker said he believed that "the restrictions on the

New England

forming of

public is "just indifferent."

that the

A

A fourth of you feel

of the bankers tell me that the public is not friendly.

47.3% said it

and only about 5% of the public said it was
horse-and-boggy days.
Appar¬

was more,

to save today than in the

necessary

It has gotten so that even the stockholders are now eager to boost

ently the public isn't intending to rest back on the oars and trust to social

the sales record—they volunteer as the advance line of attack when a new

security legislation to provide entirely the green pastures of one's old age.

product is put

The response

Let

on

the market.

get on with the survey; then perhaps we can let the tabulations

us

preach their

own

I wonder, by the way,

Seven out of ten bankers believe that the public knows that failed banks
result from bad assets.

clearly indicates that the American public intends to keep the

banks and insurance companies busy

morals.

A third of the bankers said the public charges them

deals

the banks?

at

is

then go to work to get more

the depositor, and

15% said the public thinks

the borrower.

a

sprt of scattershot manner.

were too

a

your

case any

give

me to

Many replies

you some

were

of these results

qualified.

However, I have with

me

wish to have sets of copies, and I

can prom¬

detailed and final report will be available shortly.

more

Others
the pre¬

business and more profitable business out of

wanted to know if some were scared to walk into your handsome

replies postmarked from that rocky refuge out there in that

no

most beautiful of

bays.

public this question: "Are you treated just as friendly by

We asked the
your

into eight geographical sections, separated so as to show the differences of

fourth of the public said "No,"

I have

seen

have been very

or

below and 25,000 or over.

interesting to

Those which

Darned if I know why!

Our nationwide survey reveals that about a third of the bankers believe
their customers

understand

to

seem

what

bank really is.

a

Almost

an¬

tered

Maybe

the bankers answered that people have
only a partial

ing back on your customers.

'Problems of banking—I am only
some

standing here—as

a

understanding.

nothing about the internal

borrower of banks, which may give

we

old campaigner in the fields of advertising and

an

merchandising I cannot refrain from offering the remark that misunder¬
standing breeds fear and hate, and that, contrariwise, to stimulate loyalty
and

confidence,

is to hold

a

one

of the immediate jobs of the banking world apparently

big housewarming and invite Mr. and Mrs. John Citizen into

the bank to see, in simply understood
demonstrations, how and why the
wheels go 'round.

Of course, we food manufacturers since the turn of the
century have done

Just that—and profitably.

We have made

operations worth watching,

so

thousands to

foods.

see

our

the scientific conversion

of

raw

over

come

by the

materials into prepared

We have stimulated this public curiosity by sampling on a tremen¬

dous scale, but of

course

I won't go so far as to recommend sampling as a

solution of your problems.
Another illustration

banking is the item in
that their

own

our

public misunderstanding which hamstrings
revealing that a fourth of the bankers feel

survey

customers do not understand

service charges on unprofitable accounts.

their customers

have

only

a

why it is necessary to make

And another 15% believe that

partial understanding of this matter.

But

there is hope here, because banks reported that they are

holding staff meet¬
ings to help the employees acquaint customers with the bank's problems
and policies.
Certainly
exert every

a

bank—that essential of modern economic existence—should

possible bit of energy and strategy to win over its trading

area,

not only to increase the business of the bank but to make quite sure than
the

banking fraternity

court when

As you can

illogical

or

as a

whole will have

a

thumping crowd of friends in

crackpot legislation is offered for the voters' approval.

understand, there is entirely

politics in

no

my

I think that you will agree with us business men that no

talk today; and

politician

nor po¬

litical party has any monopoly on crackpottery as a
high art.
1
Here is more from the survey: Many bankers reported that the
insuring
of

deposits has made their depositors feel secure.

said:

"The

A banker in the South

banks, instead of the Government, should manage the insurance

fund and weed out the useless banks."

security of bank depositors and stockholders generally;

legislation had lessened the security.

wnile

18%

said

While 53% of the bankers said

such legislation had assisted the banks in renderihg the maximum service
to their

communities, 27%,

or

more

than

a

hindered the rendering of maximum service.




fourth, said these laws have
Who is right?

I have never encoun¬

been hold¬

Surely, it can't be an inferiority complex?

surprised if it was, what with all the lambasting you

take these past few years.

76% favorable answers to that question.
this statement very

I

frankly surprised to find

was

But, gentlemen, I want to make

plain: that if we thought that 24% of our customers

unfavorable, we would be sick, and I can't help wondering whether

were

would think us a good risk if you knew that 24% of our customers

you
were

unfavorable to us.
Let

Wait!

^

_

get another slant on the public's opinion of you.

us

Inci¬

the questioning required no signatures,whence the replies were

dentally,

candid and outspoken.
We asked: "In your

a

opinion, are banks in your locality doing their part

This was, you

help business and employment?"

to

job

you

see, a

test of how good

Well, only

have done of selling yourselves to your community.

43% of the people said the banks are pulling their weight, and 57% said

Bight or
It is not my
It is a general opinion.

"No, the banks are not doing their share in the job of recovery."
that is the public's belief as it existed up to 13 days ago.

belief; I doubt if it is the belief of many business men.
And

would like to ask: Please,

I

There have been made theories

and I myself have

what

are

going to do about it?

you

advanced to light up the way to prospesity,

insisted, perhaps too emphatically, that

a

modernization,

replacement and rebuilding of America was the surest of cure-alls;
think

we

are

solid footing with the public—and hon¬

fellows, your friends can't do it for you.

estly,

but I

all going to realize that we won't really pick up momentum

until the banks get on a far more

But they can and will

gladly help you.
Now

we come

without regard

to a question that I toss on the table for what it is worth,

for political significance.

I might explain that what we

wanted to do here was to measure the heroic proportions of the
the eyes
Is he

so

Once the banker

of the man on the street.
today?

Let

was

the

financier in

tycal big shot.

us see.

We asked the public: "Is there any man in public life with whose
on

money matters you

said

"Yes."

And

who

agree?"
was

views

More than 6 out of 10 men and women

he?

At

the risk

of stirring some

partisan

emotions almost on the eve of the election, I might begin by revealing from
the

nationwide tabulations that the bankers didn't fare

The

But for the Nation, 67% of the bankers surveyed said that the banking

and monetary legislation enacted since the crisis has increased the long-run
such

have had to

wrong,

of the

A. convention.

The suspicion dawns on me that you bankers have

And I wouldn't be

factories immaculate, the

that tourists the world

ought to invite the public to come

you

warmly human and companionable crowd in my life than I

more

a

have here.

or

meaning that three-fourths of the public,

in and meet you fellows at an A. B.

other third said the customers do not understand, and the other third of

While I confess freely that I know little

And about a

by the stores where you regularly shop?"

as

76.2% to be exact, said that they were just as favorable.

or

me.

bank

At any rate, we

public enemies numbered from 1 to 100.

and when they are available and you want them, they will be broken down

opinion between those in 25,000

submitting this question to any of

Of course, we refrained from

eminent

received

And if

That

clientele.

edifices.
our

adults in all walks of life

Now, all you have to do is to get your share of it and

hopeful figure.

We

lengthy to report in this talk.

liminary tabulations in
ise that

banker's first duty is to

a

I

Understand, please, that time forces
in

a

banker's first duty is to

long time yet.

used the banks at the present time.

revealed that 87.9% said they

munity.

a

a

survey among

our

with being too strict in making loans and in not properly serving their com¬

More than half said the public thinks

for

if you know what percentage of your community

Well,

top four in. the vote—just

Roosevelt, Father
in that order.

Coughlin,

to

end the

Senator Glass

Trailing the leaders

were

an

so

well.

suspense—were

President

Governor Landon—and

the following in this order: Herbert

Hoover, Henry Ford, Congressman Lemke, Dr. Townsend, Senator Borah,
Norman Thomas and Ogden

Mills.

Interpret that as you will, gentlemen.
untouched photograph of American

miles of this country

But remember, after all. It is an

public opinion snapped

across

3,000

BANKERS' CONVENTION.
We of

<

When

received other nominations, but these were the chief ones.

course

we

stop to realize the contributions which banking has made to help

build this country to greatness in a brief 150 years, when we consider the

banker's devotion to

average

It is,

ously In this
worded.

ship.

poll.

banker

no

Personally,

I

and the Ration's interests,

bankers stood out conspicu¬

or

believe the

For certainly we need your voice.

question was improperly

We need

the public forum.

on

Well, let

hear from you.

us

You fellows have proved you can take

I here and

My time is getting short and I will have to hurry, but I wanted to let in
a

little

■

light

more

the public mind

on

We asked the public: "About what year do you tbink America will reach

We hoped thus to get

an

insight into John

Citizen's private plans for investments and his expectations for good times,
course

means

boom in buying.

a

This boom—if you want to call

people between

and 1940.

now

it that—is expected by at least half of the

A quarter of the people expect

a

view the picture through the other end of the

us

We asked the public this question, too: "Do you think

the United States will have another depression?"

responding said,

yes,

said: "When?"

17% replied that they could

dolorous date.

they tbink we will have another depression.
hazard

not

make about as much headway as a

this time,

peatedly

my

come

buggy-wnip salesman at

while I have been exploring these

hard to see how

you

auto show.

an

with

surveys

mind returns to the experiences

much difference between your

We sell

money.

the food industry

re¬

whale of

a

and

more

a

^livable for

our

terrific competition aided

a

thinning margin of profit.

an ever

...Go back two

score

Consequently,

boxes,

we

have had

good

measure.

always with the customer in mind.
years;

thumb back

few

a

barrels and bins, dusty,

If I have sounded

The foods lying loose in

unappetizing,

But

making.
We

vinced.

manhandled—and

I

mean

The atmosphere wasn't conducive to courtesy or cooperation.

packaged food manufacturers.
denly housewives

They

offered their

were

merchandise of constant weight
convenient

to

Little

use.

I will tell
changed
choice

And what
have grown

and

wonder

the

in part the

was

"cracker-barrel"

which

ladies

was

said,

Sud¬

stuff,

or

both clean and

"Give

And

for

the

quickly.

groceryman,

the

boon, too.

containers

He could wait

on a

He eliminated his big losses from spoilage,
He

overweight.

packaged foods—in

a

could

show

instead of order-fillers.

his

clerks

how

become

to

assuring
customer

breakage and
merchandisers

The food packagers prospered; and

Even during the

appetizing, easier to

as

they

will

be

they stuck religiously to their advertising.
lesson.

To

some

it

was

hard lesson!

a

was

tremendous

a

this: When you claim

merit for your product, Heaven help you if you do not pack it full of
not

spasmodically, not 75

you

have built

or

merit,

90% of the time, but all of the time!

up at great cost a

Once

reputation for quality, that quality must

find its way into every one of your packages
every time, every day,year
In and year out.
Food manufacturers have learned that the public will desert you
overnight
if you try to take a short cut—if you become slipshod in either your manu¬

facturing methods
And

or

in

your

the public thereby

advertising claims.

quality and the price will be the
the main

Quality standards

^road.

grocery store

same

in the metropolis

as

years

so over¬

almost everything in the

will be packaged and improved.

The other

ways

and

quality higher, economies to effect price reductions,

means

new

and

better products, new designs for packages, new uses, new conveniences for

noses so

close to

over

belt.

partly that

some

of you have

good unless you shift the lever and throw It

into gear.

started

going.

When

poeple—customers—began

manufacturers cleaned house and

soon

were

factory.

inspecting

the

plants,

vying with one another

Ahd, inspired by public

praise, management and workers took price in themselves and in their jobs.




We

This is largely your task

'

•

new

The record has been

long

so

and better
of

one

co¬

human beings operate banks there

as

mistakes, to almost
of the heart.

I

perfect score,

a

not

am

I still believe that 95% of all of

have been

attempting to white¬

regardless of our sta¬

us,

day

author asked me if I knew the difference between

an

a

villain.

a

a

villain

or

a

The hero," he said, "is actuated by motives of unselfish¬

Examine

by personal motives.

book,

any

The only difference between the hero and the villain is what

thinks each fellow is aiming at."

In cold dollars and cents, wherein lie

As hero, or villain, in the public's consciousness?
It vitally

tion does not concern you alone.
every

your

But the ques¬

concerns every

business man,

investor, every property owner, every responsible citizen in the land—
all dependent upon you.

we are

But even

well-meaning public does not understand

a

And that is costly to

illustrate that.

cational job to do.

in

third partner In this accomplishment.

as a

They say we have crossed our last frontier.

us not

on our

stop pioneering.

We

that is not true.

say

unprecedented,

just

We,

Pshaw!

are

suffering

from

making enough products to fill the need.

Who dares

say

industries and

as our

educating the

We cannot rest

Let

I

watch

America's

they are

our

as

under-production.

Who

right here in our own land people are eating

they might ?

living

as

on.

Overproduction?
are not

been

has

progress

well

edu¬

an

And if anybody thinks that the social

started in this country.

industrial

say that

as

Our

business.

And the Government should

We must have the courage to go ahead.

oars.

your

Banks have

you.

It calls for self-enlightenment

So has industry got to do this job.

public.
come

Gentlemen, isn't that true?

to home, what do you want the spectators to think

bankers are aiming at?

profits?

We

And the

movie, any Broad¬

any

play, take the plays of Shakespeare apart, and always you will find

And coming closer

and

char¬

can take any

It is merely a matter of

he is doing something for others, he is saving someone from disaster.

public always cheers the hero.

for

"You

hero.

The villain is self-interested, he is actuated

as

among you

much

dares

well as

or as

adequately equipped for modern

scientists and bankers

are

capable of pro¬

viding?
Millions of houses, stores

and factories

stand in the way of progress.
a

menace to

are

antiquated,

worn

out, ready

They are too wastefully old and Inefficient; they

only for the wreckers.

Battered automobiles throng the highways,
Five million farm houses need electrification.

life and limb.

They need air-conditioning, mechanical household devices, modern

ings.

recreational and cultural facilities—all the blessings which our machine age
is

so

well designed to provide.

It is right here at home, working

Where, gentlemen, is our frontier?
and scheming to
men

provide

more

and more of the great

masses

of

our country¬

with the facilities for enjoying a rich, full life, a useful and stimulating

There is

trialists know
nation

can we

a

goal worth while.

that

And work for all here—for

only in a widely employed,

we

indus¬

well paid and contented

hope to find the customers required in our age of mass produc¬

tion and distribution.
So

common

sense,

past

experience, calls out to

us:

worn

machinery! Make our own prosperity.

portunity.

It is

yours.

Yes,

your

Rebuild America!
That is

our op¬

opportunity is to win the people's

goodwill by financing the big undertakings to the mutual profit of all
cerned.

What

a

con¬

vista lies ahead of you!

For who dares say that the
that its functions from

banking business has reached its full growth,

now on

should be routine without imagination, sta¬

bilizing without self-discipline, constructive without a strong undercurrent
of

See how It motivated the packaged food folk, once It

to see who could have the most attractive

and

and make him either

ness,

Psychology, a silk-hat

It is the mighty power up there on the whirling

But It is no

Human nature!

the

answer

traditional duties that your gaze could not

magic word "Psychology"?

word for human nature.

leather

Is the

your

important

By your financing you have aided

Replace the

I wonder, is there another clue here to the so'ution of the problems con¬

focus sharply on the

a most

young nation.

a

take over the job and seek improve¬

"They are one and the same man," he said.
acter

selling

the industry and its Importance and merit to the American public.

kept your

we must

This is

"And what is it?" I asked.

life.

the home cook, better service rendered the retailer, and, above all,

fronting the banking world ?

have played

rendered to industries by financing

of the head—not

hero and

in the village off

And this trend toward the packaged product is

Today the food people think, dream, talk improvements,
to boost the

were

The public now buys

Everyone knows that the freshness, the

whelming that I predict that in the next ten

The

have done for the food indus¬

People need new clothes, new shoes, new hats, and shirts, and silk stock¬

has been the gainer.

raised; prices, due to stiff competition, went down.

packaged foods with confidence.

am con¬

tion in life, are honest and mean to do the right thing.

their researching, and

They had learned

And it

Of that I

a

our

I am

depression, when the banks have been criticized, the

But these

more.

mistakes

pros¬

serve.
up

Now

There have been errors,

smoke from now

more

so they

operations and inventions has been great.

foods

nutritious,

of

were

right track.

economic and financial wisdom

What the banks
By doing

extent.

like Topsy.

have only

more

your

swift progress it has been.

a

pered, they set aside money—millions of dollars—for research laboratories,
for experimental kitchens, to explore the secrets of Mother Nature, to make
And during the past several years they kept

problems, that is

no

the

on

employment over a long period of years.

surveys

handling and display—were

more

are

The trend is right.

Certainly, without

service which you have

the

me

packages!"

easy

of the food business

We have seen your worth.

ours.

you

the whole picture.

of

and quality,

It

you.

we

role in the marvelous progress of our country.

the spectator

What brought about the change?

troubles,

no

try they have done for other industries, notably the durable goods industries

the merchandise displayed.

as

have had

we

record is very clear on that.

this is true.

crude

if

planning for the future.

are

way

as

a

Food is essential, but the proper handling of the people's money likewise

manhandled—and too often, in the less reliable stores, you didn't know

just about

as

speaking of trends, not perfection.

goods.
was

What

lot of good bankers

a

We have had plenty of troubles, and many of them

whether you were buying the dealer's thumb or a full weight pound of bulk
And the service

I will be accused of trying to tempt

point of view.

for

more

Remember the old grocery store of that day?

little bit better.

a

You must have begun to think the food industry is

wash anybody.

spurred by

we are

of pride in accomplishment, the more likely the effort,

sense

year-in and year-out effort to do the job just

mistake.

and abetted by the millions of housewife shoppers daily thronging the
400,000 retail outlets and demanding more and more service, higher
quality,

forcing

whole box.

a

to remodel their movie palaces and turn them into food stores.

have had to learn, perhaps because you are more

isoltated, perhaps because

and

good health of their competitors,

spoil

can

fact, too, tnat the larger the company the more likely

a

pretty picture.

bank?

a

functioning at

are

us

lot

a

If you will allow me to say so, these surveys make it patent that the banks

to learn to do business

on the

operation of which the banking fraternity may well be proud.

grocery store

a

countrymen than it would be without us.

we

likely the

more

the

of—thQ

businses and mine.

When both of

prunes.

top-notch efficiency, we make life

haven't learned what

investments, and second, the realization

depended

bad tomato

one

ment, send Topsy to a sensible finishing scnool.

I

you,

might profit from them; and

After all, what difference is there between
You sell

Generally it is

often

so

and giving employment to millions in many fields—and I'm blessed

can see

their livelihoods and

to an even greater

oldest and largest of all our industries, taking a third of the national in¬

if I

realization of their responsibilities to those who had entrusted

a

fact that

a

the best fight

was

and counsel, the food industry could not have shown such progress.

that they stretch your credulity as well, and get you so snarled up that you

All

for it is

fight

is most essential.

Sometimes I

they have been stretched end-to-end around the equator

have been trying

-*4
clean

a

So we

1940 and 1950.

Well, thank gracious we are through with the statistics.
think

And even a

to the

a guess as

In fact, 4 out of every 10 saw It coming somewhere in

the decade between

first,

was,

them with

And 9 out of 10 people

The two favorite years for the next depression were fixed

at 1945 and 1950.

meanja

the question: "Does it

on

employees, stocknolders and customers?"

our

Probably what made them decide that

own

Let

moment.

on a

glasses.

to

fair deal to competitors, too.

prosperity

peak to hit us

a

after 1940 and before 1945.
Hold

deal

garden of roses.

peak will arrive by 1938, and 12 out of every 100 expect

opera

hours,

depression, we find the

a

does the management realize its responsibility to thousands of others, the

another peak of prosperity?"

which of

their Sunday manners in business

on

during the strain and confusion of

even

profits, and instead basing jfcheir policies

fair

find it today and as it affects

as we

business and mine.

your

find them puting

we

that their own welfare

call for volunteers!

now

to

sound leader¬

your

This is not the hour to shrink back from the spotlight, or the brick¬

bats thrown

it.

his institution

I think, lamentable that

So

until,

established companies rejecting the temptations of the chiseler's shortcut

social

We

are

consciousness?

egotistical enough to think we will get along on any set of rules
But the going will be easier with your help, your inspira¬

they will write.
tion—moral

and spiritual, as much

Men, there is

a

big job ahead.

as

economic.

No one of

us can

do it alone.

Let us all

join hands—and I Include imperatively our Government, regardless of the

31

GENERAL SESSION.
'

/

of

the country's potentials for shared progress.

on

Let

make it clear that, in a whirlwind start,

us

our most

world from any

you.

in the
have merely been stopped for a few

Conditions

Observed abroad, by

as

is scarcely long enough to send

countries there

rushing.

are

However, if

of inflation pursued by the present Government will of necessity require
adjustment.
The most drastic step thus far taken by the Blum regime is the virtual
nationalization and complete reorganization of the Bank of France, and the
installation of a new Governor of the Bank, Emile Sosthene Labeyrie.

which the various

forearmed with a real eco-

one is

nomic interest in the life of these nations and takes time to make contacts

with

as

many

different kinds of people, from financial and economic lead-

down to hitch-hikers, as I did, as I traveled about,

ers

and if one asks

as

to form some very

distinct impressions

have farreaching consequences the world over.
that is that America cannot stand

problems

there and are likely to

Of one thing I am sure,

wholly aside from these world

might wish.

as some of us

Perhaps there could have been
my

as

no

better time and place for me to collect

thoughs and try to review the kaleidoscopic impressions of such a trip

than

a

homeward journey aboard the majestic "Hindenburg," as she

a still further deficit in the

back to the United States in comfort and the calmness of the

problem

airs above

upper

which

I

tumultuous sea.

a

Foremost among

the feelings which I think any American would have, and

desire particularly

to express with

of and studies the social, economic

the better satisfied

new

a

emphasis, despite its

that the more one

and political problems of Europe,

is bound to feel with conditions in the United States,

one

in spite of the many problems which we, too, are facing at

as

second and equally important thought which
result of my

a

it is

There is

home.

I brought home with me

observations and studies of those few weeks abroad, and

the importance

carefully watching the

of our

social ideas and ideals which are rapidly

new

developments of the

spreading over the Continent

there and the need of our gracefully accepting some of

the more moderate

evolutionary changes going on at home lest we, too, may face some of the
social upheavals which have taken place
out

and

are

still taking place through

•

Europe today.

By this I do not

infer that there is any real danger of facing such

mean to

conditions in the United States, because I am confident that our present

business organizations have within themselves greater flexibility and adapt-

ability to social
form

progress

of representative

than have those of Europe, and that our present

democracy has within itself ample means for pro-

tecting the interests of the

masses.

I shall refer back to this subject once more, but will first put down my

impressions of the several countries in order in which I visited them.

as

.

I arrived and the great "stay-in"

and ultimately the day of reckoning will have to

How this

be faced,

the few

weeks

previous to my visit indicated a slight reversal of this

tendency.

"Front Populaire" Government was

new

already badly unbalanced budget.

be overcome without! new and radical forms of taxation is

see,

either through devaluation or some form of artificial control of the country's economic system such as is now practiced^by several of its neighbors,
In the meantime, the new Government is testing its credit by the issuance of a domestic loan in small denominations of very short maturity,
Treasury bonds in denominations as low as 100 francs are being sold all
over the land through banks, post'offices'and other government establishments.
They have a maturity of 6 and 12fmonths and bear the high rate
of 4 and 4K %.
To the extent that this offering succeeds, the Blum Government's financial problems will be eased, and no limit has been placed on
the amount of these bonds to be sold.
The first response was said to have
been satisfactory and up to expectations, but so far as I know no figures of
total sales to date have been published.
In any event, the Government will
take all the money it can get in this manner in the hope that thus its financial and economic program may be helped and as much as possible of .the
new credit at the Bank of France be kept open for future emergencies,
In this connection the views of some of the leading bankers in Paris with
whom it was my privilege to talk will be of interest.
Just as bankers and
others in America are greatly concerned over the huge deficit piling up in
Washington, so do the financiers of France look with concern upon the inflationary effect of the new Government's policies and actions.
The flight
of capital from France has been tremendous because of this fear of inflation
and possible devaluation, although the return of gold to the Bank of France
in

France
The

can

difficult to

*

perhaps somewhat hackneyed sound, is simply this,
sees

t

Although the capital of the Bank is privately owned, it will now be entirely
dominated by the French Government.
Since this century-old institution
has always been considered the mainstay of the country's currency system,
such political domination appears all the more dangerous because of the
frequent and drastic changes in governmentiwhich the country has experienced in recent years.
Simultaneously with this change of the management a new unsecured
credit of ten billion francs was granted by the Bank to the new Government, which appears to insure the present regime's ability to meet its increased disbursements over the next several months, but also makes certain

us

on

carried

a

possible

the significance of the great

as to

social and political changes which are taking place

and

mostly by motor,

questions as I managed to do, it is quite

many

National Bank,

some ultimate

home with fixed opinions

one

Europe

Rudolf S. Hecht, Chairman of Board, Hibernia

European history

Six weeks spent in the rapidly evolving panorama of

about present-day conditions or the fateful future into

dedicate

Men, I envy

bigger and better and happier united nation.

before Executive Council Meeting

New Orleans, La.,

these days

started

in the minds

Yours is a great responsibility and a great opportunity.

A Banker Looks at
on

maybe stock-taking, that we have

ground, hallowed by the achievements of pioneers, let us

On this

this country of ours—

ourselves to a

A Memorandum

or

ambitious pioneers.

starting from scratch—has erected an institution second to none

point of view; that we

breath-taking,

running again, and that we are going places undreamed of even

citizens, sell them

put our own houses in order and then sell ourselves to our
also

short years for

Let us

ploitical power in office—and freely realize our inter-dependence.

just taking hold in France

strikes, made effective by the physical

In discussing the question of the possible

devaluation of the franc, one of

the ablest bankers of France made this interesting

observation: He said that

relations between capital and labor and the internal strife which was every-

had come from
chance of competing In the
world's markets and thus building up the exports of France lay in the adjustment of the franc.
They now realize, however, that such a devaluation

where in evidence through street demonstrations, frequent and open dis-

would probably be of little help to them.

play of the red communist flag and clashes between the authorities and the

ments" and other artificial trade barriers and the ever-rising spirit of na-

occupation by the workers of the business houses and factories affected,
being

were

settled

by

practically

government

Little

decree.

wonder,

therefore, that the' country seemed uneasy and upset over these disturbed

radical element of the left wing.

more

but

ance,

difficult to draw safe conclusions from their casual observ-

more

I discuss their causes and probable meaning I want

before

even

to record my opinion

will, perhaps after

that France is not likely to go "communistic," and
experiments with extreme left wing politics,

a few more

through its difficulties with the capitalistic system still intact,

come

though operated
basis.
take

on

a

far

more

liberal and somewhat

even

cooperative

more

into

consideration

had forced

on

two

The

factors.

gold

preservation

the

years ago,

succeeding French governments a policy of economy and de-

flation which not only made foreign business increasingly
adverse

an

throughout

basis, fixed about 10

effect

on

domestic

business and

difficult, but also

are

constantly restricting the flow of international

they frankly fear that if any devaluation of the franc took place in the near
future, labor would be likely to use its

immediately be lost to the manufacturer and little real advantage
for him in competing for

Summing

up,

and financial problems will somehow

be solved

and all will be well with

its future if only a serious outbreak of civil strive among

avoided.

be left

increased foreign trade.

I left France with the distinct impression that its economic

the masses can be
hope and safety

Personally, I believe that the country's greatest

lies in the French peasantry, which

still is the mainstay of the nation,

employment.

The cost of living was slowly rising, thus

Italy.

newly-found power to enforce furdevaluation would

ther increases in wages, so that most of the benefit of any

Germany

generally, their standard of living has been materially below that of either
or

trade, so that

goods would be very small,

Moreover, after their recent experience with enforced increases in wages,

Secondly, French workers have been habitually underpaid, and, speaking

Germany, England

The so-called "clearing agree-

the possible increase in the export of French

To understand just what did happen in France, it is necessary to

world depression of,the franc on the

had

the large industrialists, who felt that their only

tionalism

It is not easy to appraise these outward evidences of a disturbed populace
and it is still

until recently much of the pressure in favor of such action

For

one

who has studied recent political and economic events in Germany

that country
I think almost any American to whom
something}more than empty words is
apt to enter the new Germany, as I did, with certain prejudices, because of
the ruthless means and methods by which the present regime has come into
and held itself in power, and because of certain class and racial hatredsrand

only from afar, and largely from newspaper reports, a visit to

making conditions increasingly more difficult for the laborers, but appar-

is

ently employers of labor,

"Freedom and Liberty" still mean

too

were

It

not

surprising, therefore, that almost the first acts of the

Government

whose

in the profitable and successful industries,

short-sighted to grant reasonable relief voluntarily.

was

Blum

even

Necessarily, these

new

concerned themselves with the fate of the workers

whole-hearted

support

new

social

the

"Front

measures

Populaire"

were

owed

its

to

success.

hurriedly prepared and

are

faulty in many respects, but they have, temporarily, at least, brought
measure

more

of industrial peace and have given

reasonable wages, paid holidays and

giving the working classes
political era

was

as

a

laws

were

better living conditions, besides

whole the feeling that a new social and

measures on

behalf of the workers,

being introduced to assist the farming interests, and

par-

ticularly the producers of wheat, all of which of necessity tended to raise
the level of prices.

increase in

How well this increase in the price of living and the

earnings can be balanced is, of course, uncertain, but on the

outcome of this delicate economic

ernment

rests.

problem the future of the present Gov-

Meantime, Mr. Blum is faced with an equally difficult

financial problem.

Contrary to the predictions of many students of

nomics and finance at the time of the recent elections, the new
has not devalued the franc and has, as yet, put no
ment of

gold.

Moreover,

as

eco-

Government

restrictions on the

move-

I see it, there is no likelihood of either of these

things happening in the immediate future, though I recognize that the policy




of a

revelation.

with this

order of things.
But if one
the remarkable transformation in the physical appearance of the country, as well as in the spirit
of the people, a certain admiration for their accomplishments can hardly

injustices which have gone along

new

lays aside these feelings and dispassionately observes

be denied.
It was my privilege to talk with Dr. Hjalmar Schacht—who still is the

country—and'with|many leading bankers.

Motorlooking hitch-hikers in
various parts of Germany, just to learn something about the frame of mind
of the masses, and in shops and at the Olympic' games I engaged people in
conversation and asked many questions.
Granted that many of these
people talked with a good deal of reservation, and granted, also, that every
effort was being made to give, especially to visitors at the Olympic games,
the best possible impression, and finally, making allowance for the fact
that two weeks spent in such a study is not enough to see much under the
economic dictator of the

dawning for them in France.

Contemporaneously with these relief
new

a

the workers Of the lower grades

something

ing alone, I not infrequently picked up interesting

surface of things, nevertheless, one could not fail to

admit industrial activity

is everywhere in evidence and that the mass of the people appears more
content than in many years.

And this appears to be true in spite of the
but the most necessary

fact that, due to Germany's inability to pay for any

v

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

32

imports, there is frequent shortage of certain food supplies.
instance, several of
moment very

there

was

was

should

be

hitch-hiking friends told

me

Thus, for

that it was for the

concentrated in Berlin and other tourist centers so that there

shortage of

no

kind

any

apparently good-naturedly pulled his belt

German

The average

visitors.

for

little tighter and did without.

a

It would lead too far to attempt to describe even briefly the changes which
have been brought about in the leveling of class differences, the increased

Opportunities

for the enjoyment of life by the working people, the physical

and mental education of the youth of the

land, both boys and girls, and last,

but not least, the reawakening of the national spirit as

evidenced by the

feverish increase in military activities.

So far

tremendous

way,

business is concerned,

as

and the existence of small, independent undertakings

is considered essential because it helps to maintain a strong

Capitalism, in its broader

middle class.

is apparently in no present danger, but

sense,

its status is probably best expressed

by

a

declaration made early by the new

regime, which said:

One conversation with

tioning.

Mussolini and

nized the necessity of conforming to these guiding principles of new National

Socialism, for those engaged in what

we

would call "big business" who co¬

operated in this spirit fared relatively well, while the fate of those who
attempted to "stand pat" and fought this new order of things was anything
And whatever serious objections

may

be raised to this new

order of things by which the all-powerful Government enforces its will, it
be

must

admitted that the

disturbances

practical result tras been the complete sup¬

and the absolute elimination of strikes, wage disputes and

of that

character.

Extremely interesting, from
the many

social

as

well

economic standpoint, are

as

the working classes and, incidentally, also to encourage an increase in the

I will mention but two of these.

married

get

get

can

a

"marriage loan"

Any young man desiring to

of 1,000

marks

$400) for the purchase of household goods, which he
period of

Whenever

years.

marks is made on the loan

(approximately

can repay over a

child is born to the union,

a

a

long

credit of 250

By this and many other

by the Government.

special privileges which the father of several children receives are large
The other important innovation which has been encouraged

by the

new

(strength through pleasure) organizations which, through government

co¬

operation, make it possible for the masses, at an unbelievably low cost, to

enjoy such pleasures

as

attending the theatre, taking delightful week-end

journeys and going to the seashore,

or

even

taking steamer trips for long

distances through their legally-fixed and paid-for vacations.

those who

Government do not reflect the free will and thought of all

almost forced to go to the polls, but I am firmly

basis

the

its

of

convinced

.and secret election the present Government,
would receive a very substantial

accomplishments,

majority.

a

developed

make reference only

in recent weeks in the trade re¬

practical standstill all export and import business between the

countries.

Under

legal

This is
tent

opinions—certain so-called

posed

is based

"countervailing"

bounty or grant has been paid

of any article which is dutiable under this

on

came as

a

paid by them
but

contracted for, this

The

Germans admitted that premiums were being

certain exports, but that they were not government boun¬

on

paid out of voluntary contributions by certain industries.

were

They argued,

was

Since con¬

considerable blow to both German and American export

import houses.

ties

conformed

before anyone can

with

hands."

undoubtedly

somewhat exaggerated picture, based to some ex¬

a

the patriotic enthusiasm of the Italian banker in question,

on

lot to think about, and there is

gave me a

a

after the humiliation which

England suffered

moreover,

Switzerland

that these premiums were only allowed to equalize

tunity to observe how severely that country is suffering because of the rela"
tiveiy high cost of living resulting from its faithful adherence to the gold
standard.

The predominant

business in Switzerland has always been the

tourist business, and that has suffered

exchange rates

terribly in recent

greatly discouraged travel from

have

exchange

Swiss

recently

has

countries,

and

travelers from Germany, which in the past furnished the largest number of

As

visitors.

a

the better hotels were painfully empty and

consequence,

not a few were closed

entirely.

Switzerland's industrial activity is largely limited to the production of

light, high-grade articles such as watches, textiles and food products, but
supports

large

a

the

of

percentage

population.

Generally

speaking, farms are heavily mortgaged at high interest rates and banks hold

such obligations which

many

Banks have also suffered

in default.

are

greatly by the German crisis, because financial transactions with Germany
always large and enormous sums of Swiss capital are tied up in Ger¬

were

"Sperr-mark"

in

many

and

similar

view notwithstanding the fact
and railway

However,

accounts.

situation is gradually improving and Swiss

bankers

seem to

banking

that the country's budget shows a deficit

which flow to the Treasury,

earnings,

the

take a hopeful

far below usual

are

totals.

prospective visitor by making it possible for travelers to-

buy Swiss francs at special rates, such as can be done in the case of lire or
marks, but special concessions are granted by very low railroad fares and
by substantial rebates on gasoline purchased in Switzerland if one remains
a

minimum of three days.

England
General

conditions

economic

this time.

those of any other European country at

There

are two

principal

For several years past England has enjoyed a real build¬

for this.

reasons

f

England are undoubtedly better than

in

ing boom, especially in residential construction for the middle classes and
small workers, and the benefits of

this activity are widespread.

Secondly,

English industry is benefiting very largely from the country's change from

age-old policy of free trade to one of protection, and many articles never

heretofore manufactured in England are now being
with similar imported goods which are

Since the adjustment made as

produced in competition

subject to substantial duties.

result of the nationwide strike

few

a

the country appears to have been free of any major labor troubles,

years ago

unemployed

on

the dole the number is de¬

Figures given me by one of the leading economists in London

creasing.

the

that

are

a

number

unemployed has gone from

of

2,800,000 to about

Altogether, the impression one gains is that there exists social

1,700,000.

and reasonable prosperity in the land.

peace

In London it

was my

good fortune to have conferences with a number of

the financial leaders, including Montagu Norman,

Reginald McKenna,

England;

Governor of the Bank of

Chairman of the Midland Bank; Charles

Lidbury, Chief General Manager of the Westminster Bank; W. M. GoodVice-Chairman

enough,

with

talked

the Bank of

ested

me

Barclay's

of

of the outstanding

some

Bank,

and

others.

many

economists, such

as

England; Professor T. E. Gregory, and others.

most was the very

A

also

Henry Clay of

What inter¬

liberal attitude which British conservatives

are

taking toward many of the great social changes going on in the world, and

as

standard

question of "managed currencies."

American ruling was a new German

No inducement

standard and to prevent speculation in it as far as possible.
is offered to the

"Lombard Street"

of this

The high

years.

all

unobtainable by prospective

been

almost

what

cannot overcome in any other way.

sequence

oppor¬

Several days spent in motoring through Switzerland gave me an

the German exporter

unpleasant

especially

result of their complete

as a

exchange differences resulting from the devaluation of the dollar, which
The

but it

challenge in this present stiua-

tion which I believe is causing British leaders considerable worry,

the manufacture or export

Act, then the Government must

siderable business of this sort has been done and

and

been im¬

This action

additional import duty equal to the bounty or grant.

an

ruling

have

the provisions of the Tariff Act of 1930, which provides that

on

whenever any

levy

duties

certain German goods imported after July 12, 1936.

on

be

Thus the leadership in European diplomacy

and while there are still many

Treasury Department—based on definite

recent ruling of our

a

cumbersome formalities must

dare speak with authority.

or

will pass to new

lations between Germany and the United States, and which threatened to

two

Alliance without consulting

in all future European disputes act

can

England, where embarrassing questions must be answered in Parliament
and

its

As to Germany's foreign commercial relations, I will
to the acute situation which has

bring to

parliaments, and they

All I want to convey is that those who believe the present

that in any absolutely free
on

a

But enough

Of course, the 98% election returns which have been reported

are

Hitler,

the Alps and to all

across

or

regime in Germany is doomed to early failure are very likely to be dis¬

appointed.

Schussnigg could shake hands

Every effort is being made to maintain the currency on the old gold

regime to please the working man is the so-called "Kraft durch Freude"

in support of the

particularly worth men¬

dispatch and independence absolutely impossible in a country like

families encouraged.

of such details!

seems

whole diplomacy of Europe will

with

agriculture

a

things which the Government is doing to improve the status of

population.

the

parties

pression of the communists, who were alarmingly numerous in Germany a
few years ago,

"how

intents and purposes re-establish the old Triple

nation."

Wise has been the industrialist, merchant and banker who early recog¬

but pleasant.

Italian banker

he said,

failure in the Italian sanction episode.

the

system

"Watch,"

an

shortly be dominated by those countries governed by dictators.

"All activities will be governed by the law that the nation does not live
for the benefit of the economic system, nor the economic system exist for
the benefit of capital, but capital serves the economic system and the
economic

with Austria and Germany has given the

agreement

new

country an increased feeling of power in European affairs.

Bigness is being discouraged in

changes have taken place.

possible

every

and the

name,

difficult for the average householder to get eggs, first, because

shortage in the country, and secondly, because the available

a

supply

my

surprised

beyond

me

and the

well

as

measure

was

the new

"Threadneedle Street"

point of view
now

which

take of the gold

England, went off

regulation prohibiting the use of so-called "A S K I" marks for the payment

the gold standard without a flurry nearly five years ago, and its "managed

of imports into Germany.

currency" has been so well managed that almost everybody seems to be

tions, "A S K I" marks

Without going into detailed technical explana¬

created by German exports and constitute

were

almost the only means at present available for the payment
cotton and other

nately,

materials exported from the

raw

by Germany for

United States.

because very recently a second ruling was sent out by our Treasury Depart¬

indicating that the German Government has taken measures to dis¬

ment

continue the

objectionable concessions made at home, and, therefore, mak¬

ing it possible for the American Government to eliminate the burdensome

countervailing duties.
tries

Thus at least

a

limited trade between the two coun¬

be carried on.

can

My travels in Italy
real

were

confined to brief visits to the cities in the north¬

bankers and business leaders was Milan.

opportunity to talk with

There the

new

spirit of Italy is everywhere in evidence.

as

does Milan, and there is

a

activ¬

remarkable amount of optimism for the

are

high for both agricultural and industrial products, and the

budget is sadly unbalanced,

even

without the

enormous

extraordinary

military and naval expenditures connected with the Ethiopian campaign.

Italy's debt

now

devaluation

the

has

of the

recent

*

convertible into gold.

war

and his

f

so many ounces

of gold.

Everybody in and out of
The remarkable part is that

people from all over the world come to London to take inconvertible pound
preference to their own notes, some of which are actually convertible

notes in

into

gold.

One English banker said to me rather
so

well

on

our

dull when it

seriously: "The reason

we get

along

present basis is that, fortunately, our population is rather

comes to

They

But this banker

do
was

financial matters.

not

care.

They do not understand this gold

A pound is simply a

far too modest.

pound to them."

It is not the dulness of the English

populace, but their confidence in the competent management of their cur¬
rency

and their country's financial affairs that makes them feel that "a

pound is simply a pound," no matter what is behind it.

And indeed the
English banks and the remarkable his¬

However, the successful

tory of the British banking system

justify this confidence and faith.

victory over the

League of Nations

through the elimination of sanctions have added much lustre to II Duce's




is behind the pound and apparently worries not at all over the fact that

the pound is no longer

fine record and innate strength of

really depreciated about 25%

against the actual price of gold within the country.
outcome

age

when measured

exceeds 150 billion lire, and while there has been no official
lire

The general public does not know just what gold cover¬

market operations.

question.

future of the country.

Prices

sys¬

both

through the cooperation of the few big joint stock banks and through open

No city I have

visited in recent years in any country showed such enormous building

ity

England's compact economic and banking

England, which is a privately owned and managed insti¬

pound really meant

The most important one in which I spent some time and had a

part.

The truth is that under
tem the Bank of

tution, can regulate the flow of money and the currency perfectly,

England accepts the pound without question, just as they did when the

Italy

ern

found little interest displayed in the

subject of formal stabilization of the pound.

Fortu¬

solution for this acute situation appears to have been worked out,

a

satisfied with the status quo, and I

Leaders
order

of

in finance

say

that they are quite satisfied with the present

things, and while, for the protection of their own international

GENERAL

SESSION.

trade, they are doing all they can to keep the pound as stable as possible

taxes will be

with the dollar and the franc, they are not at all interested in formal sta¬

even

bilization and are not likely to be

European political conditions,
For

find this

as

long

London

upon

it

the

as

of perfection

acme

particularly surprising to

was

It is argued that the gold standard worked all right

natural'trade relations between nations, but that it is folly to think it can
take

of the violent movement resulting from the flight and

care

occasional

I went to Europe in the hope and belief that

repatriation of capital.

some¬

thing could be done in the reasonably near future toward formal stabiliza¬
tion of the

principal exchanges; I left London fully convinced that while

real cooperation is
and the

possible toward practical stabilization between the dollar

pound, the question of

lies quite a long ways in

the future.

All

was

made for economic stability.

bit of

be

told by competent

now

It

economic reading and

my previous

teachings had always been to the effect that it
comes

as

a

the gold standard which
shock, therefore, to

a

and important people that the

it is not

reason

instability.

How the world changes!

as

have occurred in England could hardly be duplicated in the

control

United States.

Instead of having a half dozen banks with many thousands of branches,
finances of our country are handled by nearly
This

to create in America the

compact, centralized control of our monetary and banking systems and of
other economic processes which has been developed in England.

our

More¬

the size and diversity of the United States and the constitutional dis¬

over,

taste of our

that

either from

long

so

as

a

World

men.

the present tendency toward

It cannot be denied that this economic nationalism is in many instances not
based

desire for selfish advantage, but rather on absolute necessi¬

on mere

Accordingly, international trade is doomed to
for

time to

some

This does not

come.

artificial restrictions

many

that

mean

should give up in

we

despair and do nothing to improve the situation and try to rehabilitate
world trade, but in making future plans it is best to look

tl^se unpleasant

facts squarely in the face.
The gold supply of

the world is

nations that it has become

now concentrated in the hands of so few

fundamental necessity that goods and services

a

be accepted in payment of international obligations or else interna¬

must

tional business transactions must stop altogether, because the debtor coun¬
tries

practically without monetary

are

Meantime,

Russian
to

neighbors

some of our

by

England's

$50,000,000 of

15,000 independent units.

would make it impossible

condition alone

the

cheerful one,

a

ties of the countries in question.

illustrated

It may be worth while to add here that such changes in monetary

,

whole is not

economic nationalism continues and every nation strives for self-sufficiency.

practical just now to go back to the old orthodox gold basis is because we
have so much economic

a

political standpoint or from the point of view of the business

formal stabilization of the exchanges

any

European picture as

stability cannot be brought about

it only had to take care of the normal fluctuations resulting from

as

expenditures, and I believe

Conclusion
The

attitude and to be told in high places that the gold standard

new

pay for these enormous

especially

until world conditions, and

in all things financial,

"out of date."

was

looked

who has always

one

imposed to

England's budget will fall far short of being balanced this year.

far more stable than they are today,

are

and until some measure of international economic confidence is restored.

and conservation

33

British

most

goods

resting on their

action

of

be

oars, as may

authorizing

the

sale

Russia against their issuance of

to

of

5}£%

Treasury notes, payment of which British authorities undertake

guarantee in due course.
In

resources.

are not

recent

\

European country after another, business

one

have had to recon¬

men

cile themselves to progressive socialization of industry and commerce, and

increasingly large surrender of their individual rights, until they have

an

reached the establishment of

It is true that

something approaching the totalitarian state.

result the acute and unbalanced relations between capital

as a

and labor have been greatly improved, but at a cost far greater than would

shall have established here the amount of central authority which

we

people for highly centralized personal control makes it unlikely

have been possible by far smaller voluntary concessions before conditions

would be necessary as an effective substitute for the impersonal and effective

became

ultimate restraint exercised by an adherence to the gold standard.

lowed.

One other incident which occurred

during

brief visit to England seems

my

worth recording because it expresses in so few sentences England's present
frame of mind

the international situation.

on

cellor of the Exchequer, speaking on July

Mr. Chamberlain, the Chan¬

Fourth at

Unionist meeting,

a

after pointing to the domestic prosperity which had come to

result of tariffs and other factors, continued

as

England

as a

conscious that their future may conceal dreadful

side of peace and good will.
"It has fallen to me, as Chancellor of the Exchequer, to have to ask the
people of this country to submit to further taxation just when I had hoped
to be able to give them further relief, and I must once again pay my tribute
to the spirit in which they have accepted that new burden.
"I know they understand that the safety of the country must be our first
consideration, and that we could make but little contribution to the peace
of the world unless we were so armed and equipped as to be able to meet
our share of any risk that might be involved.
In that task, the task of
arming and equipping our country, the Government is engaged without
remission, and I know that in the accomplishment of that task I can safely
appeal for your continued confidence and encouragement."

Everywhere there is convincing evidence that Mr. Chamberlain's policy

aggressively carried out, but I doubt very much that enough new

When

the

hard

times

come,

banking eystem."

machinery

capital

of

V',/

The

changes

supervision,
because

America

country
is

in

in

and

the

had

nas

by

political

least

of

the

with

continue

represented

involve

more

This

political

democratic

that

the

a

is

and

power

has

and
a

the

individual

Discussion
make

been

is

control

of

any

people today

method

all

of

handling

is,

How will

funds?

who

shall

Shall

national

allocate

be

it

done

or

Discussion

important,

spirit

of

seeking

appraisal

partisanship
and
says

bureau?

light

by

or

matters

a

questions

momentous

but

than

be

savings

heat.

No

an

Princles

personalities.

use

of

or

by

in

said)

is

what

alone

deserves

tinued

That

political

allot

the

first

had

one

the

of

It sounds like

agencies

savings

Marx

is

of

should

the

10

of

paramount

are

analysis

Who

and

mouth-filling

is
in

shibboleths sired

discovery, something new, but it isn't.
capital, in other words, should
the

his_

axle

of

platform

the

communistic

wheel.

of

communism.

American industries

In other words, I

does

with State capital and an exclusive monapoly."

of

through

who

days
has

recognize
been

its potency.

deified

as

the

Lenin,

father

of

an

avowed

modern

dis¬

Russian

Communism, observed:
"Through the nationalization of banks they"—the small business men—"may
be tied hand and foot."

Elsewhere

he

said:

"One'State hank

as

huge as possible, with branches In every factory—this Is al¬

ready nine-tenths of the Socialist apparatus."




approaching

our

present free institutions and

our

alijil social problems

totalitarian state through still greater

a

but rather that

deal with these problems

we

enlightened business policy,

an

without the necessity of strikes or government compulsion.

the Way Out?

on

Even

disavow

appeared

House

of

banking

control

to

urge

witness

the

Coles,

D. H.

G.

prevention
to

Nation."

national

"It

is

that,

and

the

the

said:

he

achieve

to

and

policies
added,

the

in

"to

long

since

Committee
certain

of

business—it

of

is

for

the

representing

body

a

a

the

objectives—

responsibility

improve

from

comes

Not

ends.

Currency

stabilization

authority

monetary

necessary,"

and

said

speculation

of

concentrate

of

formulation

emphasized,

socialistic

or

Banking

He

thus

resources,

communistic

before

Representatives.

"necessary

the

machinery

our

of

control."

monetary

The witness,

in

his instance,

Governor

was

speaking

of

Eccles

Title

the

Federal

Reserve

laid

Marx

"control

II

of

of

the

establishment

possible
Karl

leader,

a

who

others

He

British Socialist

labor government nationalizes any industry, it should nationalize the
With the banks in our hands we can take over other industries at leisure."

banks.

the

recently the

more

"Before

was

the

Federal

so-called

Much

he

Reserve

Banking

of political

System.
what

not attacking the capitalistic system.

control

has

water

conceived to

Board,

Bill,

would

the

was

make

operations

un.der

gone

he

and

which

the

over

of the

bridge since

be the communistic cornerstone, the

of

the

monetary

for

any

increase in political management in

system," but

his

plan

still

to

seems

serve

the

democratic country.

a

Why is political control
to

program

any

and

planning
individual

of credit and capital regarded as so essential
which undertakes to substitute governmental thinking and

acting

citizen?

for
The

declaration, describes

it

the

thinking

United

and

States

planning

Chamber

of

acting

and

of

Commerce, in

the

formal

follows:

as

real needs of commerce,

to the spending

agriculture and industry could be subordinated
plans of the government and to its dictation concerning the volume

and! kind of credit to be made available from time to time.
be made to control the level of

.

.

.

Efforts could

production, prices and employment, through adjust¬
and credit, by a Washington bureau which thus

ments of the mere volume of money

would be permitted to experiment with a most dangerous

form of so-called central

planning."
the phrase

this

board

buy

later

lie in

not

centralization of government,

Note

Marx,

they will only use this power intel¬

convinced that the great lesson of Europe

am

to the United States is that the solution of our economic

does

of

I believe, further, that through

have the power in their own hands to combat com¬

munism and to minimize social unrest if

ligently.

was:

Marxians

be employed.

can

The

"Centralization of credit In the hands of the State by means of a national bank

ciple

nation, and that its prosperity and con¬

based upon its ability and willingness to be the best

are

con¬

allocate

people,

"points"

a

many

wide¬

a

liberalism in their attitude both towards employees and towards the public,

"The

by the depression.

Karl

existence

economic servant that

purpose

sideration.

"Capital allocation"

sincere consideration for the

business leadership that the capitalistic sys¬

tem must be in the service of the

a

intelligent

atmosphere

attributed to proponent and opponent alike.

little;

the

of

approached

reached in

the

drawn.

are

if not

among our

will

Simply,

us.

bankers asTm the past,

futile,,

be

it

Who will have the

generating

of

will

decision

later

or

because

spend—the

the battle lines

will

in

political

sooner

one

confronting

invest—or

or

Already,

indulging

sincerity must be
it,

be

by individual

rather

intelligent

nor

between

the struggle

such allocations be made?

political board
is

will

decision

other

people?
a

in

initiative.

freedom and

The

the

question
the

objective

important today because this Nation must

decision.

determine

main

our

Fortunately, there appears to exist in the United States today

The

regulation,
is natural

savings through bankers or put these savings into the control
political administration.
It is an issue as old as the world itself;

it

whose welfare

masses upon

spread recognition

change

the people's
of

by these developments

Editor and Publisher "Nation's Business," Washington, D. C.

"Let's

agencies.

such

me

national safety and prosperity

attributed to the

are

is

convinced

have

•

issue before the American

The great

shall

we

it

invariably

America

operation

the world.

whether

Likewise

conditions

a

-

appears;

adversity

of these

ultimately escape similar political unrest and

can

will ultimately depend.

the promise of a better world lie in such change.

proposed

control

always

the ills of

credit.

and

hope of recovery and

solution

one

Most of

we

liberty and privileges of the individual with

'

•

observation

and recognize these changing conditions by tempering our demands for the

Democracy in Banking

of Address by Merle Thorpe,

Abstract

that

ever

bring about the political upheavals which fol¬

to

as

close

of

social upheaval only if we have the wisdom to profit

possibilities, it is to

Empire that they turn for hope and encouragement, because
they feel, they know, that the British Empire will always be found on the

Is

than

more

the British

s]being

unsettled

so

weeks

rights of the

follows;

"Above all, in these days of stress and anxiety, when the peoples of Europe
are

Six

in

buy

all

at

one

social

a

Man

of
in

the volume and
the

Washington would have

longer under
some

the

to

mean

automobile

an

may

"dictation

part

his

cn

all.

purpose

of

the

It

control
a

Street?

the

instalment
means

through

power

plan,

that

his

in another section

larger

policy,

his

It

to

which

of

means

credit."

that

deposits
but

indeed,

Professor

the

in
may
a

if

style,

the

be

foreign

Tugwell

What

bureau

a

decide for him

the price,

bankers,
or,

kind

or

he may
or

bank

if he

are

allocated
land.

It

describes

no

for

is
as

follows:

"Capital allocation would depend on knowledge, from some planning agency, of
a measured future period ought to be put to one use rather than to
Given thisfinformation the first step In control would be to limit self-

how much for
another.

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

84

1

allocation.

This la the first great

problem In this field.

past and present, regardless of temporary luck, grow
and expand their own activities beyond all

This

alarms

Industries, because of their
over-confident of the future

reason."

the

Professor

Tugwell

talks

occasions

other

on

"Capital

allocation"

bankers in America, under the urge of a

what

is

banks were estab¬
lished.
Until recently, for 30 years, approximately three billion dollars
have been
"allocated"
annually for the creation of new industries, the
launching of new enterprises, and the maintenance and development of the
vast

have

method,

doing

been

since their

ever

industriaj[ andl trade organization by which the country gets its

bread

and

that

the

butter.

those

What

who

advocate

change actually

a

is

mean

not by the
banker, who is supposed to know his community and his borrowers.
Government, in other words, should take over the function of banking
as an
essential step in the reconstruction of society in accordance with a
allocating should be done by political authority and

definite

in the rest of the world, toward
political control.
The pity of it is that the many "do not recognize it;
it would be more hopeful if the issue were brought out in the open for an
aye or nay vote.
The movement is away from the traditional, democratic
method of "capital allocation" now represented by the American banking
tide

is

strongly here,

running

as

being replaced by a new autocratic method of allocation
under political supervision and control.
Through the exercise of the power
of
taxation, for example, the Federal Government is collecting capital

and allocating it, by appropria¬
tion, for the building of dams and power plants, the erection of model
towns, the electrification of rural homesteads, the manufacture and sale
the

without

formality

deposit slips,

of

This tendency is not of recent origin.
began before the New Deal was thought of.
of various descriptions.

goods

It

The

financial
the

the

when

especially

people,

persuaded

easily

When

of

shadows

depression

gather,

are

believe that bankers are irretrievably reactionary—
henchmen of Wall Street and that fabulous monster,

to

Bourbons,

patriotic,

are

Secretary

a

The record stands
the

in

for

example,

earners.

during the

essentially

is

be by

democratic institution,

a

because

it

Take

innovation.

means

and the Amer¬

profession "liberal," if being "liberal" means to

others, and not set against change
the banker's

away

traditional

glass

invented by those who know very little about him, and banking is a

eye,

cooperation.
The banker, probably more
any other
professional man, except, possibly, the politician, must
keep his finger on the public pulse.
If he were the arrogant person he
is often pictured to be, he would have no depositors and, therefore, no
bank.
If he were an irreconcilable reactionary, who opposed change, how
striking

of voluntary

example

made

allocations

edge
of

successful

The

primarily

advance

order

upon

funds

which

it

forward

of those

judg¬

march

restless

to develop

improve

the

To do

this
He

No

bank

and it

invest,

under

runs

own

of the public to entrust to it
in the same degree upon
the

productive

funds.

of

use

'

The banker

cannot accumulate

capital resources by the imposition of

arbitrarily

funds

con¬

ever

He

allocate

cannot

hopes to get them back

the

take

ment,
The

believes

banker,

as

unlike

He knows that he must give

of

the

enough

to

have

known him,

so-called

the extent,

liberals

progressives,
really
Calvin Coolidge put it, "that he

as

permit the people

is the real exponent of
and

make

to

and

their

correct

mistakes."

•

authority.
I

have

with

takes

Government
the

said,

promise

spirit

to

doorway.

pay

formality

in

its
a

at

often

hangs

you

"I'll

change my mind."
as

How

,

own

What

we

capital

finds

it

deposit

slip,

it

as

gives

a

single

allocates

of

thousand
in

York

a

through

as

get

run

the

political system,

the

the

route

of

more,

in

the

in

taxation

or

would

trusteeship of

account

a

yearly

of stewardship can




average

the

of

16,000

$50,000,000,000
bank

What
on

Presidents,

is

its

deposit?

responsive

is

immigrants

of

allocation"

"capital

America

the

clear

who,

by

the

advantage.

up

The\

demanding the change to authori¬

are

individuals.

The

of

Even

proof.
No

It

been

reform

All

The

points

out,

Office

by

take

took

it

by

the

50

of

boards

what has

over

from

perfect.

them,

but

a

school

of

the

sell

to

the

com¬

idea

of

developed

who

private collection

and

already

in

the

Excesses

and

dis¬

and

be

and

world

a

example

long for

blind

of

the

to

to

man

sound

selfishness

despite

good

the

and

earnest

everywhere,

men

centuries.
all

are

in

greed,

no

man,

been.

if

Attempting

to

mare's-nest.

a

we

world where there is

a

inhumanity

no

be

reformers

have

down.

where

of

throughout the

honest

of

there

has

fool¬

not

preserved

direction,

new.

That

is

way

abuses

this

in

nothing

pioneered.

been

democratic

should

world,

church
sure,

in

engage

sound program laid

a

Progress

although

ideals

injustice,
not

and

insurance

engineers

would

perspective

ideal

more

eliminated.

slow,

us

aerial

development

a

the

years

British

from

grew

political

Capital allocation

wants

the

should

cash;

is

telephone

automobile—

the

bank

of

created

buildings—

radio

that

the oil derrick,,

humanity by reforming machinery is

With

no

mines,

plants,

power

prog¬

effort

never

These

street.

overhead,

cooperating.

to be arrived at and

are

exhortation
has

the

stores,

airplane

Germany

Post

far

is

Everyone

down

go.

economic

mail.

are

trickery

Walk

coal

in

voluntary

the

safeguarded his customers'

to

condones

one

through

and

come

forward

political organisms have

department

ships,

Spencer
the

simply

premises

Further¬

pooling of risks by traders.

record.

the

Such

the painless

Federal board.

a

Every step

been

has

individuals

allocation

would

been

rails,

who
a

as

tribution of

It

of

water-works

them.

by

individuals

of

democracy.

to

a

Such pooling

whether by

political managers, who

upon

corollary is true;

house,

Herbert

As

city

responsive

allocation

thought:

began

poles,

jeweler

began

cooperation

enterprises.

product

the

pany

voluntary

banks,

State socialism,

is

commercial—the

and

motion-picture
the

placed

world

telegraph

all

to carry on.

of

agency

disturbing

the

dwellings

The savings of

10-cent store.

a

be pooled

the

compulsory

or

is

it

a

since

ress

sympathy.

hearty

selfishness, avarice;

acquisitiveness.

no

But

we

that

fact

probity, uprightness and honor
among members of the business community are so much the commonplace
that they escape notice by their very prevalence.
A good name in banking
is no curiosity in the United States.
•
Is
democracy in banking on the way out?
Yes, in spite of its
phenomenal record, in spite of its habitat in a democratic America, unless
-

tho

present course
faith

that

It

is

reforms

attended

is

men

changed, unless

and

we

"should

women

into

go

the

on

unless

out

way

furnishes

Liberty,

the

tragic

freedom

seductive promises

history,

The

today

only be

can

blood,

make

return

and

to

correct

the

people

realize

that

ill-considered

spectacle

and

of

action,

of benefits to

of

regained

wo

also

are

free

by long

know

being

come.

men

tbat

and

times

by

away

liberties,

arduous

many

their

forging

whittled

Such

we

effort,
once

by

lost

own

subtle

know from

sacrifice,

tbey have

regained.

banker

has

always

been,

and

contrary

the

to

wise-crackers,

is

community looks to for counsel on complex public ques¬
responsibility is to appraise and understand these larger ques¬
then to arouse the active support of his neighbors to the realities

a

tions.

man

a

Hie

tions,
that

to

through the centralization and expansion of political authority are
by grave dangers, dangers no less real because they are intangible.

America*

and

and

reverse

be allowed

mistakes.'*

own

the

bility

citizen

cannot

is

be

alone

custodian

delegated

to

of

anyone.

his

own

Even

destiny.

the

This

responsi¬

Supreme Court has

no

muskets.
The

citizen's

responsibility

is

also

great.

he

fails

to

American tradition

will

be

If

preserve the
American tradition of the march toward higher standards of life and
work,
ordered liberty under law, the culmination of man's
greatest effort to be a

free

spirit,

will be

a

if he

fails,

then

tradition without

.

/

do,

knowl¬

instance the hazard is left with the people where it belongs;

one

other

Here

been

one

busy

Nation

democracy in banking worked out in America?

millions

of

must

under

instrumentality

the

of

If the banking system of the country had been
have

those who

been

has

pooling by a political

often

$40,000,000 bridge

City had better

gives

individuals

thousand

America

never

it

as

Alloca¬
can

with uncanny

success,

of

blessings

You can't buy a turbine in

generator.

its

office-holders who happen
official, such

magnet

the

down,

top

proof is upon

its

shadow

the investment, to "suit the needs

The allotment of

New

It

political

without,

it,
or

examiners

chooses.

it

by

of

•

irretrievably bankdqpt long ago.

has

record of

as

of

No bank

as

the whim of

recall announced that

casually

have been

bond.

upon

authority.

upon

who

run

where

a

the predilections of the political

or

the moment to be in

project

capital

accounting

its

pleases, regardless of the return
of the hour"

"allocation"

issuing

of

the form of

makes

It

the

Mistakes of

Large-scale operations in a large-scale country require large-scale pooling
savings.
A bundle of faggots are replaced by a 100,000
horsepower

chains.
this

Contrast

basis

wage-

nations

59

methods.

tarian

the

if he has made mistakes of judg¬
°

we

the

democracy, to

strong

him

to

9,000,000
of the

single great enterprise.

a

the

the

from

fledi

say,

from

not

their

He,

in

for his depositors.

stewardship and!,

entrusted

consequences.

American

democracy.
is

of his

accounting

an

the

a

in

formity with his preconceived Ideas of what ought to be—not if he

tax.

than

more

single other

a

which,

18 of

By any test the handling of the people's savings from the bottom
and

power.

depends

of the people in

energy

its

for

not

industries,

new

,

burden

of

dreamers

and

ways

new

of the people and

limitations.

and

his

and

their aspirations.

for

temper

may

resourcefulness

the
these

go-

and choose the most likely ones.

groping
the

the

for

way

the visions

the voluntary cooperation

depends

the

a

of the family to
enterprises and new projects—

new

the

sift

must

existence,

of

understand'their

must

It

banker

understand

must

than

more

no

understanding,

his

integrity,

clears

which

guard
The

constantly

are

present
he

is

fact,

is the paterfamilias, the head

he

attempting to launch

are

civilization.
who

of

matter

a

his

the other,

those who
the

as

hand, he is the trustee of funds of many depositors

one

today

that

on

America

in

man

to

strange

employment

ideas

America has from 2,000,000

years

and is

ages,

Capital

confidenceyin

On

ment.

banker,

the

On

have

products,"

factory

State.

long would! he last in this fast-moving age?
between.

of .South

countries

our

public's acceptance.
The wealth produced is the miracle
so widely distributed as to make the condition of the

to the

as

the

than

who

the

to

buy

daily,

and

banking

loans

they'll

but infinitesimal compared with larger benefits.
corrected daily as only private operation

yes,

made

tions

50

period developed!

same

judgment,

In

coincidence

no

American

ican. banker must

and

up,

the

developed hundreds' of

furnish
is

It

-

wealth-producing

be tolerant of the ideas and opinions of

urged

them

clear.

office,

patent

trust."
The banker, therefore, becomes the whipping boy
of the unscrupulous politician and the demagogue.
All of this is done,
ironically, in the name of the new "liberalism."
Ironically, because
"money

Commerce

of

build

"Help

fine cooperation

again responding to

they cooperated to that end.

It is

system.

of

banking system invariably
with industry.
people.
When political
leaders exhorted "Lend money to Germany;
bring Germany back so she
will again be a trading nation among the nations," the banks responded!.
Bankers

to 6tudy our

to report its

to praise,

back

go

average

plan.

The

time has more than 1% of the $50,000,-

any

in actual jeopardy.

been

America,

word.

democratic

Not at

people, make?

000,000

Foreign commissions sent over

of
"discipline," that I "must subordinate" myself, "must consent to func¬
tion" along lines "defined" for me.
Lenin likewise had much to say of
"strictest discipline," and so do Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler.
They also
overwork
the
worm
"must."
I
may
be old-fashioned, but I dislike
for

me,

the

to

It

a

the

country.

homeless;

it

GENERAL
v.

'

•

•;'

v

-

;

.

,'

•

■

'

By Leland Whitman Cutler, President
President,

Mr.

Ladies and Gentlemen: To Follow Merle Thorpe on any

To me, it is most difficult now when
I am listed to speak on business and education, because over 30 years ago
Merle and I went to University together and we formed a friendship which
is a difficult assignment.

We went to this University not like many of our
Merle worked in the library for 18 cents an hour, and I

only death can end.
lads do

now.

envied him his job because he had this golden chance to

loved while he kept the rest of us waiting at the counter
books that were

Once in

with cards for the

while he violated his trust and slipped me a library

a

We worked our way

book be¬

textbooks for the

who
because he

The student body took a vote one time as to

the worst cornet player,

Merle or myself, and Merle won

the notes read,
trick, which has stood me In good stead over since:
part that I couldn't play, I just stopped and beat

kept right on playing regardless of how it sounded or how
while I learned a little

I

Whenever

came

to a

affluent and
they used to pay $25 for a band to play at a Democratic rally or a Re¬
publican rally, and one night the Democrats had a rally in Mayfield, and
the Republicans in Redwood City, some 10 miles away.
So Merle and I
divided the band into two parts.
He took the basses and baritones with
him to Redwood City because I could play higher than he could, way up
where the clarinets belonged.
I took the reeds and the base drum and a
few other things and went to Mayfield with my cornet.
I want to ask you,
whether the Republicans or the Democrats won that year d won't tell you)
If what Merle and I did would be called boondoggling or whether the cer¬
the Republicans and Democrats alike were

Merle has taken his education into business and he is

I

am sure

of the East, but I

he will remember that

Thanksgiving

and when we
played cornet duets together.
And it is to me more than a coincidence
that I follow him.
It is an honor.
I very humbly offer to you the words
of education in business which we learned together.
But before I speak
day in

a country

church when we said thanksgiving together,

of education in business, which is my theme,

that

I want to impress upon you

here In this city

which all San Franciscans have that you are

the delight

love, to admit our gratitude that you have come so

we

far to to see us,

the only privilege a host can

that you cede to us, your host,

and to ask

claim; that is, the desire to make you feel at home,

and the sensing that you

and

want you to

we

have faith in the West, as our bankers here have

jWest, because, after all, we are a nation, not a compass, and
be any trembled point between the East and the West.

In the

Here in San Francisco we like and respect our bankers

there

lancl where men stood together and

I don't know of any city in the

would have smahed
I
doubt that some of them even speak to each other, but they are grand,
fine, dominating personalities and I have seen them disagree so violently
fast if it had not been for the fine,

to an

issue at one time that you

understanding bankers we had.

would have thought the world was coming

end, and the next day, they decided to put it over and went zealously

I remember five or six years ago in the
that of suretyship—I went to New

ordinary course of my business—

York and the East to see how many

Colorado River.
banker I saw,
and undoubtedly

might be developed to build a dam across the

Every contractor I saw referred me to his banker and every
while he treated me knidly,

looked very pityingly at me

could hope for help on such a

wondered what sort of a fellow I was who

project.

It

was

tall that high upon its
floods that flet each year on their way to Mexico,

granite canyon, I was told,

a

crests were water marks of
a

turbulence that could not.be

advise his contractor not to

so

stand the West.

Just

a

a

western

was too

their

contractor, the

because the East did not under¬
the Prseident of the United States

day or so ago,

building of it made possible by western bankers

the building of that dam to its

think

of

that

it

through.

western
to

I

wouldn't

bankers wei;e

build

York,

or

an

be surprised,

thinking a tribute to the
could be done and to

of course, if those self-same

approached by western contractors to be permitted

acqueduct, say, from the Catskill Mountains down to New

build

a

subway back there, or dam the Hudson River, the western

the western contractors to stay

bankers might have vision enough to tell

home and do their
ever,

own

digging and building in their own

back yard.

How¬

the point that I do make is that we of the West know more about you

the East than you of the East

I would speak,

the magnet of opportunity.

attract us.

We have more

accomplishment, for such would mean the death of education.

Please may the education of the East

and North be strengthened by the

those opportunities are heart¬
encouraged by the accomplishments of your great cities, in build¬

opportunities of the West and South, just as

ing, injculture, and in domination, and, if you

please, in guiding the course

over

heard

the breakfast table about bills, or whether

i

unex¬

v

what

They have been

living when they get out of college.

taught by masters, trained in theory, but underneath the drone of precept

thought of the student: How does all this help me
President of the Board of Trustees of a great uni¬

It is my honor to be

versity, a trusteeship which has to do with the preservation and proper
application of

millions of dollars, but

many

a

trusteeship which must con¬

itself with the preservation and the proper application of many

cern

of dollars and a trusteeship which also must concern itself

millions

with the education

know the difference

of young men and women so that they may grow up to

work of life.

Education is dependent on the men and women of the faculty who select
those to be taught.

It is dependent upon the response of those selected for

the things that they are taught

and for the ideals which prompt the teaching.

It is dependent upon the men who administer the trust and the policy of
the

University.

There is probably nothing in the world that is more illusive than education.
Men have tried for ages to define it and they have tried to obtain it.
and I do not clearly know

You

what education is, but this we do know: that

country can rise above, nor does it fall below the teachings of its schools,

no

and

whatever it is

and needs

now

world

the

than

more

needs

most

be

must

in its history, are

ever

accomplished through

leaders whom other men

will follow on the right road in the doing of right things,
tion into the

making of this world

a

and translate educa¬

better place in which to live not only

for themselves but for the countless thousands they can never see or

The

universities

this

of

country are on trial

as

know.

whether they shall

to

devote themselves to science and the professions and the arts alone, or give

equal place to clear-eyed respectful young men who don't want to be

an

doctors

lawyers

or

engineers, but who have the right to know what the

or

ordinary things of life

all about and to be fitted for the doing of the

are

and the business of the world, upon which, after all, the profes¬

commerce

sions and the arts must depend.
trial as to whether above the routine of the

are on

classrooms they can place a sftaf to light the paths of young men and women
in the years

they

ahead,,and all of

give, als

can

will remehiber

as

I know literally
men

teachers,

our

universities are on trial as to whether

men whom younger men throughout their lives

counselors and friends.

£V;

r-

.

rijcores and hundreds of fine men, who are the great, strong

of their communities,

who, I think, remember very little of the routine

of their youth,

teachers who treated them

mature men on the

faculty who

as

comrades and friends, fine

instilled ideals into their hearts which cannot

be defined but which have stayed with them to this day.
I think the sound continuation of business rests upon
can come

from

our

to the soundness of business and to our

over-brained teachers

on

the faculties of

contribution to the world should

be

at least a standard from which

or

the education which

universities, but there can be nothing more destructive

an

we

democracy than to have sneering,
our

universities.

Any university's

advocacy of ordered government,

start toward one,

standard which

a

disbelieve.

We all need each other.

The West has been a wilderness long since first

cities of the East and South strolled their aristocracy upon a

that

their purpose to the preservation of democracy, to

they must hold

study all they want and get all the degrees they want, but not to sneer at
the foundations of a country

boulevard of

too, must

walk hand in hand, and although it

thing, I would not speak now of the education which comes




a

faculty can slyly teach

If in your lifetime or mine men thought it worth the while of their own
stand

to

that

our

With

God,

a

are

horses

can

do

is

to

take

the sneering

disbelievers—faculty

alike—by the heels and throw them out.

great respect for the older men of business, many of whom, thank

still in control,

in the grocery store,

our

America and take their chances unto death, the least

up for

universities

and students

or

you

know well that no longer is business learned

around the cracker barrel, or'in the trading of hens

in the wise chewing of

tobacco.

You and I wish that

some of

youngsters could have the philosophy of the cud and know when to

cast part

of it into the cuspidor.

We wish they could have the understand¬

ing of the storekeeper who had to keep the cracker barrel filled so that he

might have

a

change to hear of the outside world and how to run the Govern¬

ment, the while his glance wandered to his shelves and wondered how he
could pay

for the things he had bought with the money he knew would

not come in.

^Business isn't learned that way any more.
universities

proper

Business

is taught in

now

throughout the land where there are graduate schools where

taught the theory and the principles of business and the

application of it to the things which business has bulit up.

r

You and I know that the youngsters from our universities cannot bring
us

anything at the start, but why not give them a chance?

to

profit and not to loss and take them into your organizations where they

can

put the things they have learned to work.

in trustees and
not

to

Charge it

If our universities

up

are right

faculty, the studentship will be right and you can trust them

termite

into

the

foundations

livelihood ^depends and upon which

of

youi£

business

which

upon

your

America must rest.

thousand diplomas for young

They let

men

and women

me

talk to them at their

graduation dinner and, being a bit facetious, I said,

"Your diploma will

just getting out of Stanford University.

by the hand and lead them to Democracy, and so from this
believe In us, have faith in us, and

Business and education,

member of

why men have died in battle for America.

nently enough,

learn from us as we have learned from you.

no

indifference to democracy nor can students hold to jest and scorn the reason

admitjyou into

great land of opportunity I ask you to

which made their thinking and their learning

And, above all else, that

possible.

Education can take Wilderness

opportunity and accomplishment alike.
and (Aristocracy

What any university must demand of its faculty and students

is, whether they agree to any particular accepted academic course or not,

Last year I signed over a

of the country.

is a mighty

when they are

help to business

of jthe lads who work their way and wonder

too,

is the errant listening

And while it is in the mingling of the two—

accomplishment and opportunity—that education comes, education cannot

ened and

dad

a

a

young men are

know about us.

You have the magnet of accomplishment to

ever rest upon

but of the things

in business,

could possibly be stretched to take in the eager,

pected things they want.

or

conclusion.

mighty dam without

bankers who had the faith and the wisdom to know it
see

or

allowances

souls

far away.

who, still mindful of the trusteeship of the funds entrusted to their care,

never

are

you

all, and when all they know about business is what they have

at

from a mother

button which released the waters of that mighty river built by a

touched

I

once

in their teens or scarcely out of them, when they are of no

Each one told me that he would

curbed.

bid because the West

There weren't any bidders from the East

saw

things you learn,

the

will rhyme with a belief in God or stern respect for the wishes of those who

about doing it.

contractors

' '

colleges and universities should teach young men and women

Francisco, and I don't know of any city in the land which

on one

1'*

;.

things they learned in their classrooms, but who had, in the formative days

and have faith in

helped each other in the troubled days like they did right here in San
so

.

Board of Trustees, Stanford University
from

faith

must not

them.

•

.

feels about you,
and we want you to like us and accept as unreservedly and as genuinely
the things we have to offer as we offer to you in that same fashion every¬
thing that we have.
We are glad that you are here to see the West, all ©fflfei
the city's welcomer, but I do know how the city

am not

r

j;.*'

All of our universities

know well you are welcome is a true one.

*gl

1

education, and what the world has always needed, and will always need,

called inflation.

tainty of $25 to the actuality of $50 would be

know he loves the West.

' V

.

between right and wrong in daily thinking, in conduct, and in the

time and of course it sounded better.

In those days,

•

•

eat, or help me amount to something in the world?

together and I hate to admit it, but we even led the

Stanford band together.

•

they will do for

prescribed for us to read.

that we studied together.

courses

was

read the books he

he knew that maybe I couldn't afford to buy the

cause

.

Business and Education

X

program

35

SESSION.

;

any

business house in America and if you display it promi¬

it will give you; the exist just as readily."

graduation my secretary
one

of these graduates

will get you into any

dame in with

a

grin and offered

A day after

me

the card of

with the names of 10 of them signed, "Your diploma

business house in America.

Please may

Of course, they came in and three or four of them got

jobs.

we come

in?"

36

BANKERS'

Business should be

CONVENTION.

taught in our universities and it is right that our

isn't given the the opportunity to take our traditions and our knowledge
and

men should, in the thing they want to do in life, be held to the
discipline of classrooms and of books, but it is right, too, that you older men

is going to

of business take up where universities leave off.

so

young

One day your fine names will be tradition and tradition of itself touches

our

understanding—pitiful

they are—into the days ahead?

as

happen to the Government of the United Statse, which

blandly and

much

so

as

matter of course?

a

happen if you men of business

are

What
take

we

I will tell you what can

patient with the youngsters of business?

only yesterday, but tradition kept alive by youth walks in warmth from

You

day to day.

the manhood which all business and all civilization demands and you can

Knowledge with

still believe in men.

has survived disillusionment and you

you

Why not put the mighty

of your knowledge and

arm

train these

can

clear-eyed, respectful

and bring them to

young men

help the universities bring them to the stubborn faith

that

kindliness about youth's shoulder so that he may walk a way with you before

rests on the promise of a

you are tradition?

young men if you will call them from your anteroom and give

just match

Lads learn to walk in sunshine and if you now and then

theirs, they will know how far their stride can go

your step to

before their pace is yours and some day when you least expect it, they will
take your traditions into

traditions of
how
-

to

their
in

use

youth

tomorrow's

the

from

own

which you have taught them

the remembrance of your own workman-

ship.

wants to be

banker himself—comes in and says,

a

just out of college and he wants

job."

a

"There is

but please let him in and talk to him.

them

chance.

a

There

was

ancient

an

French

philosopher who said, "My

in your

son,

youth lay up a stock of absurd enthusiasms, else you will lose a great many
of them

by the

and reach the end of

way

journey with

your

Don't let youth reach the end of the

Recall your own absurd enthusiasms.

empty

an

journey with/empty hearts.

Give youth work to do.

We have had anxious days as has all the world, but
you and I know that

kid outside,

a

I know how you frown and shudder,

government

train clear-eyed

can

put knowledge in their minds; you can put understanding in their

can

heart."

I know how you frown and shudder when your office boy—who probably

You

on forever.

hearts and all their lives they will hold your traditions in their trust.

sunshine and in that sunshine build

materials

and from

You

flag to fly

of* America

this United States

is

better place in which to live and face

a

job,

our

future than any

but you can given him encouragement and if you talk to him a little while

our

future without trained youth and so

you may sense in him yourself

in government and in ideals and in the character of America, for in those

What is going to

portunity to

Maybe you can't give him

when you wfere goung.

happen to you and

if youth i^n't given the op¬

me

What is going to happen

accomplishment in his nostrils ?

sense

to him if some older

a

does not give him the benefit of understanding and

man

tradition and knowledge?

other country in the world.

ideals and in that character you and
and

we can

And yet, we cannot face

by your precept, give youth faith

I

can

face our future without fear

face other countries with pride and this country of ours through

all stress will stand like oak and rock until time's end.

What is going to happen to you and me if youth

And such is the offer and the plea of education to

business.^

Address
By Jesse H. Jones, Chairman Reconstruction Finance Corporation
Presented

Not

While I have entirely recovered my health, I am still

With regard to the omission of the above
dent

Fleming, said:

-

We had expected that the Honorable Jesse
as

first speaker,

our

When

I

arrived in

Mr. Jones asked

to give us

San

H.

his viewpoint

Francisco

he had been pretty much under

Jones would be with

o'clock

one

weather,

and

Sunday,

on

He advised

to see him.

come

the

us

business and banking.

on

shortly before

if I would not

me

address, Presi¬

he

.

R.

V.

Fleming read

the

to

your

convention

little shaky [on

and accept the will for the deed.

during the trying period

from which happily we have emerged, and I
hope time will further cement
the ties and
friendhsips we have made.

We

all take satisfaction

can

of the Nation's banks.

They

as

well

are

Withibest

the

and*pride

comfort

as

in the condition

strong enough in capital and

resources£to

great and growing country.

our

for[afconstructive^meeting,

wishes

following letter from Mr. Jones:

Sincerely[yours,
Sept. 20,

1936

jesse'H. jones.

Dear Bob:
As you

a

expressing my regrets to the Convention

on your program,

properly meet the credit demands of

asked to be excused from
appearing before the convention.

President

taking my place

I had intended talking quite
informally, but do not feel quite up to it.
It has been a pleasure to work with the bankers

that

me

therefore

.

.

pins, and will appreciate

my

for not

know, I have been convalescing

thejpast

the Coast foi

on

weeks, intending to attend and address the Convention.

few

Honorable Robert V.

Fleming, President,

American Bankers Association

^

Committee and Officers' Reports-General Session
Report of Economic Policy Commission by the Chair¬
man, Leonard P. Ayres, Vice-President of Cleveland
Trust Co., Cleveland, Ohio
Outlook for

The

Commercial

changes.
the

banking

in

Perhaps they

the

since

closing

Congress

this

country

the

are

Commercial Banking

most

enacted

important

facing

that

it

70 years

over

confronted

has

In

ago.

that

developed

bank

checks

The

that

that

the

it

termed

constitutes

depression,

has recovered.

until

is

it

little

now

levels

than

more

much

1934.

dition

It

is

is

10%

probably

Commercial

has

as

larger

merely

When

we

exchange

America

of

banking.

It

As

has

they

and

in

to

otherwise

the

be

his

term

which

dominating
to

gaps

of

that

loan

a

since

the

merchant

of

They are
their lowest

in
it

is

not
year

likely

more

been broadened,

in

liquidity and
has

that

on

in

we

days

its

of

in

some

it has been

its

a

the

idle

form

pure

sum

form

the production

is

Smith.
which

seasonal

He

the

of

and

Bank

almost

complete

These
been laid

degree become
that

point of

no

Banking is always

has

concepts

but they have
true

one

loans

a

been

national
an




their

port¬

They have all made loans secured by
capital loans and,
directly or indirectly,

By delving

through the annual reports of

the

Comptroller

it is possible to compile figures showing
earning assets of all our commercial banks for

rency

For this

purpose

being

as

three

The

loans,

loans.

The

sist

all

of

we

true

which

third

class

needs

The

of

banks

intervals

in

have

the

term

commercial

customers.

All

loans

that

hardly

nevertheless

this

and

loans;

bankers
so

deserve
broad

assets

in

consists

second

of

real

and

con¬

realize

will

they

that

defined

be

to

estate

include

classified

grouping

a

as

will

serve

our

com¬

discussion.

figures show that

mercial

to

but

loans,

this

may

earning

The

whole the commercial loans

a

proportion

for

we

banks

their

collateral

of

the

of

years.

classify
up

the Cur¬

period

of

investments.

made

of

composition

long

except the savings

banks

our

may

of

mostly

loans

as

We

consists

are

other

the

commercial

our

banks.

first

taking the country
considerable

consider all

may

commercial

groups.

the
a

since

been

the

distributed

following

percentage

1900

in

earning
these

assets

three

of

all

groups

at

five-year

percentages:

distribution

of earning assetstof all
commercial banks

Capital
Year

Commercial

Investments

Loans

Loans

1900

22

29

49

1905

24

30

36

1910

23

36

41

1915

23

37

40

1920__

23

26

51

28

21

51

merchant

1930

28

35

37

1935

56

23

21

60

21

19

he

function

of

even

always

was

the

pure

com¬

retained

the

granting

of

feature of

which

safety
that

did

that paper that it did not

not

have

these

qualities

1936

have been

when

partner in

known as capital loans.
banker made capital loans he
another man's enterprise, and in
a

considered

bad

integral part

of the

ever

conformed

business life of

is

fairly accurate general statement to say that since this century
began, and up to the advent of the great depression, there has been a
pretty steady tendency for our commercial banks to have one-half of their
earning assets in commercial loans and the other half about
equally
divided between investments and
capital loans.
The variations from thiB
a

rule have been
considerable, especially when business
general tendency has been fairly well defined.
In

marked

a

to

them.

nation,

and

one-quarter of
are

that

nof;
have

but the

of

much
not

our

commercial

banks, instead of being
are 60% of them.
The capital
21%, but the commercial loans have declined in volume
instead of bring about half of all
holdings they are only about

about

19%

inactive,

period of this depression, and so far during the
recovery,
a
change has taken place in these old established relationships.
At

the present time the investments of

so

was

the

loans

banking.

banking system has

It

of

of banking have been formulated in the text
books, and
by the courts, for many decades both here and abroad, but

fact

securities in

loans.

1925

theories
down

banks of all

wrote

by him at other times if

accepted

cardinal

value.

least

by fine¬
counsels

through the

They have made
they have made real estate loans.

com¬

activities.

the

mean

in

Adam

that

for

to

always been recognized

theory at

it

commercial

v

have

depreciate

the

...

gone

paper

times, and not

restrict

that

to hold investmet

come

commercial

as

to

and

mercial

well

as

and

about

come

and

England,

capital.

principle

has

it

leading countries have

con¬

finance seasonal requirements
arising from the pro¬
exchange of goods.
Commercial loans have characteristically
6elf-liquidating loans, andi when they have been represented by com¬

duction

the

Thus

and conditions of the
constrain

collateral.

are

this

national

our

banking

only

compelled to keep

own

credits

feature

banking

have

fundamental

loans

business banking,

our

time and credit

years

short-term

as

deposits

demand

imported from

we

commercial

banking

mercial

proportion

consider whether

whether

or

just

1928.

averaged

report

far

so

was

production has increased

they ~4vere

as

temporary,

the

been

it

in

banking

has

what

nearly

early, in 1928,

than

Commercial

should

furnished all

in

of

but the totals of commercial

of this

a

refer

goods.

bank

a

would

had

recovered
industrial

of

banking

fraction

adequately descriptive of
been

never

in

perfection.

would

1
is

banking which bridges the

that

commercial

of

was

great

purpose

banking

been

never

has

merce

It

busi¬

transacting

of long duration.

prove

been

for

the volume

that

not

reached,

third

the

has

it

as

before

a

than

more

it

is

small

a

The volume

great

as

never

place

strictly

but

and

business

at

taking

now

be

properly

may

before

it

medium

theories which

capital

change that is

declined

of

principal

our

payments.

ness

are

of

into

of

year

10% annually on the notes of all State
banks, and by that Act suddenly drove out of existence a large part of
the money with
which business was transacted and banking was done.
That change made National bank notes our chief form of
currency, and
tax

a

governed by ihe needs

folios

be

to

appears

important

of the Civil War,

year

is

it

spun

their

earning assets,

about

them.
more

As

has

fhan

a

increased

much

already

third
as

been

as

the

noted,

much

recovery

as

the

they

has

gone

commercial

were

in

forward.

1928,

loans

and

are

they

GENERAL
Now

they

situation

this

minor

highly

a

than is

loans

for

consist

to

are

is

important

and staffed to handle a

equipped

are

commercial

period

long

any

available.

now

of

be

would

It

natural

commercial

of

that with

to assume

the

in

continuing general recovery

a

activity there would result important increases in the volumes

business

in

only

in

be made

loans,

of

and

investments,

important changes will have to
policies and in the personnel of the institutions.
degree

because

banks,

much greater volume of
earning assets of banks

the

mainly

the

for

one

very

If

There

loans.

be little

can

doubt that

business

further

ex¬

in more commercial borrowing, but it is difficult to
suppose that it can soon restore anything like the old volumes of loans.
If it were going to do so the increases in loans up to the present stage

pansion will result

the

of

ought

recovery

In

been

and

well

far

than

greater

Federal

the

the real

production

without

Almost

levels.

mal

actually

they

has

exception

has

claim

been

repeatedly

good advances toward nor¬

made

such claims

the commercial loans of

loans and

based

are

reporting member banks.

loans
after

the

loans,

1921.

together,

taken

of* 1921

depression

by

breaking

levels

recovery

No

been

has

that

development

such

under

this

in

of

perous

the

to

A plausible explanation of this wouldi
the automobile industry is con¬

industry has been

durable

of

exceptionally

an

pros¬

also the largest producers of many
as
agricultural implements and iron

are

such

goods

having

in
of durable
goods will result :n still more commercial loans.
Nevertheless, it does
not explain why loan
increases generally have been so small, and why
they have not appeared in greater degree in other parts of the country.
Probably there are two chief reasons for the declines in the absolute
it

loans

products

If this

in general.

justifies

relative

and

further

hopes that

the

the reason for

is

The

loans.

increase

in the outputs

increases

commercial

of

volumes

is

first

the

during

that

business
to replace
themselves
from dependence on the banks for financing their seasonal requirements.
The progress of this process was made evident by the great shrinkage in
the volume of commercial paper available in the financial markets.
enterprises

bond

able

by

selling

second

increase

found in

comparably

the

failure

with

the

numbers

great

volume

business

in

demand

floated

has

bank

deposits,

deposit

Another

hold

also

banks

considerable

in

business

of

factor

increases

and

in the form

the

in

record-breaking

these

degree

enterprises.

tending to curtail

reduction of the

through

As

credited

are

result,

a

figures
of

amounts

of
de¬

rapid

more

probable

that

of

commercial

than

before

the

to

their

The

the

to

the movement

in

Council declared itself in favor of nationwide voluntary fingerprinting.
The

banking
for

justed

to

appears

as

while the volume

that

is

a

as

basis for employees of the American Bankers Association, and the

tory

changing of the group life insurance
to conform with the

and Retirement Plans, which embraces the principles

and retirement

It

plan.

It ordered that this report be printed and distributed

Following careful study and approval by the Administrative Committee,
the Executive Council considered the Statement of Principles of Commercial

Banking prepared by

special committee of the Bank Management Com¬

a

Statement of Principles of Commercial

This

mission.

the Statement of

the next few

are

used
does
main
of

to

only approved this Statement of Principles of Commercial Banking, but
has ordered its

publication and distribution to

President Fleming;
the

and proceedings

report

hear such

It is customary that

earning

assets

Elliott

S.

ment

first

Does

the

Chair

move

the

[The motion

was

duly

seconded and carried and the resolutions adopted.

Report of Protective Committee
Indications that the bank crime
the report

in

wave

has been

broken

were

presented

of the Protective Committee, submitted to the convention

meeting of the Executive Council by
Association's Protective Department.

James E.

Baum, Manager of the

The report said:

"For three successive years since 1933, marked reductions in crimes
against banks have been reported, but the sharp reduction in 1936 is un¬
paralleled in the records of the Protective Department.
"The peak year for bank robbery was in 1932 when 631 bank burglary
and holdup attacks were reported.
This unprecedented total dropped to

407 in 1934 and was again reduced last year to 311 attacks.
"In the Association's fiscal year ended Aug. 31, 1936, banks and trust
companies in this country were the victims in 148 daylight holdups and 41
night burglaries.
Although a total of 189 Dank robberies in a year must
be regarded

the courageous

and tireless work of all classes of arresting officers, and

wider and more intensive use of modern protective equipment

a

and preventive

within the banks.

measures

points out that while banks not members of the Association

represent less than one-third of all eligible banks, they were the victims in
about

of the bank robberies

60%

during the year.

strikes where the least resistance may be

"The bank robber

expected," the report said, "and

it is not by accident or coincidence that non-members suffered 114 robberies
while their

neighbor banks under American Bankers Association protection,

and aggregating more than twice

their number, sustained but 75 attacks."

in

National

Resolutions—Budget Deficits

on

Government

If

Impede Complete Business Recovery—Urges Against

the

to be of the sorts indicated,

they

Indiscriminate

of banking ^policies.
They appear to
banking has entered upon a period of considerable

and

Taxation

of

the

of

expenses

the

to

operation will

bank

changed income-producing

need

to be

read¬

The report of
as

follows

of the earning

power

not

be

they

song,

appear

true
are

to

eav

of

all dressed

to be true

American banks

up

but have

that they

are

that

in

place to

no

the

Burdens

Chartering of Banks

the Committee

on

Resolutions

was

presented

by Thomas R. Preston, Chairman:

of

It would,

go.

all prepared to

words

where they

go

possible for them to go these, nor
it seem likely that it will be possible in the near future.
Their
activity used to be the financing of the fluctuating current needs
go,

and

that

business

equipped

to

do

it

is. not

now

through the making of commercial loans.
it

on

a

far larger

scale than

they

are

They

doing it

the




LEONARD

P.

AYRES,

Chairman,

Business recovery

progress in

almost all phases

Neither unsettled conditions abroad

nor our

national

political campaign at home seems to disturb our domestic business activity.

Despite industrial, commercial and financial improvement, unemployment
continues in such serious proportions as to delay the establishment of a full
rounded

at

continues to make good

of our economic life.

are

They should now devote more attention than they have hereto¬
problem^ of the wise and prudent handlipg of their invest¬
accounts, in the realization that these problems are not only of the
importance, but also that they are not merely temporary problems.

to

Executive Council.

(Commercial Bank, Thomasville, Ga.): I

adoption of the report, Mr. President.

with
developments

present.
fore

of the

member banks.

motion?

a

William

our

motion be passed approving

a

Business Conditions

American

now

The Executive Council has not

modifications

American
which

years

Banking parallels

Principles for Trust Institutions adopted by the Associa¬

tion, which has proved of much benefit.

these prospects

Commission does not view
does deem them important.

it

conform

wouldi

however,

which, in its opinion,

to the members of the Association.

assets.

the old

employees to a contributory basis

on

pension plan.

The Executive Council approved the report of the Committee on Pension

Report of Committee

but

over

in

Orleans,

„

„

about one-half of their

of having

it

business recovery advances,
whole will soon be able to return

increase

banks

that

higher than it used to be

conclusion

The second
our

is

the proportion of the earning
normally be invested in securities

be much

to

surely

first

come

will

that

The

Policj

thoughtful

to

by the Council at New

Nov. 14, 1935, to inauguarte a pension and retirement plan on a contribu¬

given to the Federal Government in 1934 and 1935 to punish bank robbery,

merchan¬

transportation, thereby
the Nation's cur¬

motorized

and

continue

will

practice

indicate that
duration

Council approved the action of the Administrative Committee in

carrying out the order delegated to it

borrowing

of

loans.

Economic

apprehension,
call

loans

unlikely that

commercial

time

banks

depression.

old

variety of routine business.

a

Credit for this desirable result is given in the report to the jurisdiction

element

justified.

seem

long

a

loans will

commercial
seems

of

for

in

Divisions, Sections, Commissions and

Association; the review and approval of various acts

Upon the recommendation of the Protective Committee the Executive

The report

rather

it

of the

Committee.

devoted to detailed reports from

as excessive, the current period reflects a further decrease of
40% compared with a year ago and a reduction of 71% in four years."

of commercial

the volume

time

railroad

conclusions

general

assets

of

and

business.

Two

were

corporations

such

reducing the total volume of credit required to finance
rent

foreign countries, and approved

affecting legislation, all of which are covered in various committee reports,

actively seeking commercial loans.

has been the

dise

The

huge

the

for

account

and

accounts

not

are

these

investments.

mand

issues

bond

has flowed rapidly

The banks now hold great quantities of the Federal

deposits.
and

to be

is

recovery

resulting from them

money

loans

commercial

of

through business channels, and found lodgment in the banks
securities,

Springs, Va.,

and consideration of the work of the

of

long-continued deficit financing of the

Administration

the

As

the

of

advance

of the

effects

indirect

depression

the

the

expended the proceeds, the
of

The session at Hot

to build up corporate surpluses, and
stock, so that they largely relieved

for

reason

Government.

Federal

before

were

issues

The
to

period

prosperity

long

Nominating Committee, elected members of

appropriations recommended by the Finance

Committees

Taylor,

Shepherd, Executive Manager; and, in accordance
of the

various committees and Vice-Presidents for

the

Execu¬

1935 at New Orleans; April 28

14,

Sept. 21 at San Francisco.

At the meeting in New Orleans the Council elected Arthur B.

Treasurer, and F. N.
with the nominations

Federal Reserve

in the two

loans

districts where

two

that this

Those two districts

kinds

steel

and

the

are

and

year.

other

almost confined

increase in

moderate

a

Chicago and Cleveland.

these

centrated,

way

held meetings Nov.

should be considered by banks contemplating the inauguration of a pemsion

taking place.

districts
be that

is

commercial loans
An analysis of the Federal Reserve figures shows
months

few

past

has been

it

1923.

Council has

and 29 at Hot Springs, Va.; and

the commercial loans had reached new record-

period.

During the

Since the adjournment of the convention at New Orleans, La., the
tive

studies

on

did recover slowly after the depression of
The figures of the Comptroller of the Currency for commercial
in all commercial banks do not tell any such story.
They show that

Those

Report of Official Acts and Proceedings of Executive
Council, Presented by Raymond Dunkerley

late in recovery periods,

figures which until recently have lumped together

Reserve

estate

the

matters

in bank loans normally come

industrial

after

these

of

discussions

current

made that increases

of

have

to

been.

have

37

SESSION.

ment

The

prosperity.

recovery appear

and

the

most

formidable

barriers

against

a

complete

to be the continuing budget deficits of our national Govern¬

growing

burdens

of taxation.

These

problems

are

non¬

partisan in character and call for joint effort and unity of purpose among
all of our

people.

.'

Banking-Supervision and Legislation

We reiterate our stand, expressed in the resolutions adopted at our last

NATHAN ADAMS,

annual convention, that the chartering of new banks be limited rigidly to

THOMAS

the economic needs of the nation.

B.

McADAMS,

CHARLES
J.
R.

ZIMMERMAN,

S.

P.

HAWES,
S.

McLUOAS,

GIANNINI,

FRANK

K.

JAMES R.

■

HOUSTON,"
LEAVELL, *

EDWARDS,

it during

the banking emergency and

capital owned by the

4.

THOMAS R. PRESTON,

GURDEN

the correction of over-banking is making sound and orderly progress.

The

strength of the banks is attested by the fact that they have repaid to the
Reconstruction Finance Corporation 88% of the funds they borrowed from

STEWART BAKER,

WALTER
A.

F.

With the reduction of the number of

banl^ng institutions in the country to something less than 16,000 units,

MAX B. NAHM,

decretory.

investment in the
structure.

RFC

banks

American

has

now

a

substantial proportion of banking

been retired.

constitutes

banking is

now

less

well

The Government's
than

15%

total

of their capital

able to finance by credit ex¬

tensions any expansion of sound business enterprise that may accompany
business recovery.

BANKERS' CONVENTION

38

aroused to prevent the over-production of

Public opinion must be

banks

Special Resolutions—Commending

institutions in places which
are either not large enough to support a bank or in which there are alreadyavailable sufficient banking facilities.
"We view with concern reports
which have reached us of a tendency in some localities to establish new banks

President Fleming—Regret at

through the indiscriminate chartering of new

which

bear upon super¬
resisted unjustified expansion of banking
We recommend that support be given the

required and to bring political pressure to

not

are

Jones to Address Convention

such conditions.
We believe that the Banking Act of 1935 and the regulations issued under
should be submitted to further practical test by experience before being

supervisory authorities under
it

The Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and
the Comptroller of the Currency, as well as this and other business associa¬
tions, are conducting extensive researches into the sufficiency of its provi¬
sions.
We believe that these researches when completed and studied care¬
by

changed

amendments.

important

and practical bankers will indicate whether
major changes in the banking laws will appear desirable.

fully by the Government agencies

Postal Savings

and Government Lending

Resolutions

Association's Committee on
to the Postal Savings System and Govern¬
particularly commend the steps taken tn

Banking Studies with respect

We

agencies.

lending

presented by the Committee on

takes this occasion to

Association

Bankers

American

The

were

adopted:

duly

and

sincere admiration for the able administration of the affairs

rendered to all banking through the influence of his office
of

his

personality have contributed

own

and the powers

invaluable stimulus to the

Bankers owe him a deep debt of gratitude for the

profession.

banking

an

origination and successful consummation of the series of regional
on

ences

in

confer¬

They fully accomplished his purpose of aiding

banking service.

taking the mystery out of banking and in providing an

the bankers of the country to come together to

opportunity for

give intensive consideration

problems.

to their common

leaders in business and banking

We also here express our thanks to the

given us the benefit of their time and experience as speakers

be¬

Each of them has made a

various meetings of this convention.

fore the

its

express

of this Associa¬

The services he has

retiring President, Robert V. Fleming.

tion by its

who have

the researches conducted by the

We approve

ment

Agencies

resolutions

The following special

visory authorities when they have
facilities in their jurisdictions.

Administration of

Inability of Jesse H.

valuable contribution to its success.

particularly regret that the Honorable Jesse Jones, Chairman

We

Finance Corporation,

Government
officials that they are desirous of discontinuing certain of these agencies as
soon as adequate service can be rendered by the banks.
We entertain the
hope that when the facts have been fully ascertained it will be possible to
suggest legislation which will be in the public interest and which will
moderate competition between the Government agencies and the chartered

of the

unable to prolong his stay in

ity, the local committees of San

banks.

loyal endeavor in preparing for

establish

Assurances

facts.

the

been received from

have

Bank Management
Certain economic changes in

Thqse changes, coupled

d

the nation's business practices have reduced

commercial loans required to finance current operations.

of

the volume

^Unfavorable

an

with constantly lower yields on investments, have

effect upon the earnings of many

Reconstruction

cities

en

complete restoration of his health and strength

a

San Francisco bankers, the bankers of the

thank the

We also

various

convention who lightened our journey with hospital¬

route to this

Francisco who have put in long hours of
the sessions of this convention, the hotels
for their excellent entertainment, the many representatives of the press
from various parts of the country who have given such adequate news treatment to our meetings, and the citizens of San Francisco for the cordial
hospitality which they have so generously
Association.

banks.

We extend to him our sincere good

convention.

California to address this
wishes for

was

extended to the members of this

~

sound banks cannot continue to be sound without

It is axiomatic that

the
the
forms of credit extension, and of adjusting

We urge that all banks devote special attention to
problems of improving their portfolios of investments, of canvassing
adequate earnings.

possibilities of developing new
urge

with the changed conditions.

Convention

that all banks which have not

schedules of compensation for

Taxation
We heartily
that

City Extend Invitations for 1937

Boston and Mexico

We also
already done so establish fair and just
the actual services they render.

payments in conformity

interest

endorse the constructive suggestion of
be taken better to

immediate steps

President Fleming

by various

excessive administrative expense, unnecessary an¬
noyance to the taxpayer, and an unfair distribution of the tax burden.
The uncertainty and hesitation continually created by the flood of new
lead

jurisdictions

to

and effect of old taxes have a
business activity.
Taxes should be
standardized in form.
Changes then would not take the guise of new
taxes with their resulting unsettling economic effects, but revenue require¬
ments could be adjusted by raising or lowering the rates.
by frequent changes in the form

taxes and

serious

destructive effect

and

upon

Government Credit, Expenditures

and Budget

United States of
that it has been possible for
the Government in its efforts to meet

the fundamental credit of the

We have confidence in

We consider ourselves fortunate

America.

banks to lbnd substantial support to

The banks have responded during this
period as they always have in times of great need, having abiding faith in
the resources of this Nation and the character of its people.
But we reiterate the statement made in the resolutions adopted at our
last convention that, while unusual economic circumstances and necessary
efforts to relieve human suffering and deprivation, under emergency condi¬
tions, may justify unusual expenditures of public funds, they should not
be allowed to obscure the vital fact that a definite returns to a balanced
budget should be the prime consideration of a sound fiscal policy.
It is our belief that expenditures, Federal, State and local, should now be
the exigencies

We believe this is essential as an
assurance to business that our national finances are on firm foundations,
and that business and Industrial enterprise are justified in going ahead with
expansion of their activities, which is the surest method to create greater
employment for workers of

control.

all classes.

Hamilton National Bank, Chattanooga,

Vice-President National Bank Division, ViceBank Boston, Mass.
,

President National Shawmut

)*> Leonard P. Ayres, Chairman Economic Policy
dent Cleveland Trust Co., Cleveland, Ohio.
H. M. Chamberlain,

B.

Coles,

National Bank of
Theodore

P.

Commission, Vice-Presi¬

Vice-President State Bank Division, Vice-President

Walker Bank & Trust Co.,
Blaine

has instructed

direction of the Boston Clearing
me to present an invitation to

convention in Boston, Mass.

and has accommodations to care for your con¬

Boston is well situated

New England in
for
yourselves rather than have me explain, with its soft and hardwood trees
feeling the effect of the early fall.
The foliage Is exceptionally fine. The
towns and villages through New England, through its gates have produced
paths to all parts of this great land.
Follow these paths back to the
East, Boston bound for your convention in 1937.
President Fleming: We also have another gentlemen who would like to
vention, the details of which could be
the fall

worked out later.

produces the gorgeous pictures that you will have to come to see

Luis G. Legorreta, Director Banco Nacional

address the convention, Dr.
de Mexico.
Luis G.

Legorreta (Director, Banco Nacional

it is my duty,

ten minutes to

or

address you, and, third, I wish to be excised for my

Before saying a few words, to invite you to Mexico City,
temptation to express in a brief word the feeling I have

English.

poor

received from you all,
committee for the courtesy of granting us

courtesies that the Mexican delegation has

many

second, to thank the convention
five

de Mexico): As a foreigner

ladies and gentlemen, first, to thank you heartily for the

I cannot resist the

of the biggest

problem that we bankers have facing us.

[Mr. Legorreta then addressed the convention
invitation

marks along this

Mr. Legorreta:
is

a new

convention to

the

to

may

briefly on the banking

at the conclusion of which remarks, he extended an

situation in Mexico,

meet in

Mexico City in

1937.

His re¬

line follow:]
I wish to extend you an invitation from Mexico.

Mexico

The objection may

interest every one of you.

country, which will

It does not take more than two or

It is not far.

Although it
is an advantage, and it
invitation because there you could
business with complete freedom, and view it from the outside,
plain view of your own country—which sometimes is better.

from any place in the United States to Mexico.

be considered a foreign country, perhaps that

might be well if you could accept our

Augustine,

F.

First National Bank of Boston, Boston,

(the

the Association to hold its next

three days

Tenn., Chairman.
William

Jr.

Spencer

I am here this morning at the
Association which

House

communications for

I believe Mr. Spencer of Boston

convention.

be raised that it is far.

Resolutions Committee

Preston, President

E.

Charles

Mass.):

of the emergency.

brought more definitely under

Thomas R.

desires to address the

coordinate Federal, State and

Duplication and overlapping of taxes

taxation.

municipal

jjPresident Fleming: I am advised that we have two
invitations to hold our next convention.

Division, Vice-President First

Jr.,

Vice-President

I

assure

you

President

you

will find in Mexico much of brilliance and that we will

or

Fleming:

and with the heartiest desire to satisfy you.

I think we may certainly be assured whether it is

Mexico that we decide upon,

we

shall have

a

delightful place

Does the convention desire to give

in which to hold the next convention.

consideration to this matter at this time?

Portland, Portland, Ore.

Cramer

although in

receive you with our arms open

Boston

Salt Lake City, Utah.

Vice-President Trust

discuss your

State Secretaries

Section,

Association, Portland, Ore.
Frank R. Cur da, Vice-President American Institute of Banking, VicePresident City National Bank & Trust Co. of Chicago, Chicago, 111.
Rudolf S. Hecht, Chairman Public Education Commission, Chairman of
Board, Hibernia National Bank, New Orleans, La.
W. L. Hemingway, President Mercantile-Commerce Bank & Trust Co.,
Secretary Oregon Bankers

Thomas

R.

and I

Mr.

Preston:

of you know, to refer
now move

you

President, it has been the custom, as most

these invitations to the Administration Committee

that

these'

two very generous invitations be referred to

that committee with power to act.

[The motion was seconded by A. D.
of Commerce, Houston)

Simpson (President, National Bank

and Carried.]

-

St. Louis, Mo.
P. D. Houston, Chairman
Board American National
Noble

R.

Jones,

National Bank, St. Louis,
Fred I.

Bank Management Commission, Chairman of

Bank, Nashville, Tenn.

President

Savings Division, Savings Manager

Kent, Chairman Commerce

Bankers Trust Co., New

and Marine Commission, Director

York City.

Houston, Tex.
Charles H. Mylander, Chairman Committee on Taxation, Vice-President
Huntington National Bank, Columbus, Ohio
Francis M.

Law, President

First National Bank,

CJ$abns National Bank, Bowling Green, Ky.
Lewis E. Pierson, Chairman of Board, Irving Trust Co., New York City.
Andrew Price-, President National Bank of Commerce, Seattle, Wash.
Charles E. Spencer Jr., Vice-Pres. First National Bank, Boston, Mass.
Max. B. Nahm,

'

Vice-Pres.

Gurden Edwards, New




York City, Secretary.

Session" of Convention

Members Invited'to "Banking

First

of National Foreign

Mo.
Mr.

Dunkerley:

President

of the

I

have

National

their annual convention

18,

some

19 and 20, and extends

was

announcements.

an

Thomas,

invitation

to members of the American

Mr. Thomas says, "The Banking Session

such a successful feature of

and Houston will be of

Eugene P.

Foreign Trade Council, Inc., announces that

will be held at the Stevens Hotel, Chicago, Nov.

Bankers Association to attend.

which

Trade Council

the conventions held in New York

particular interest.

to the

question of the stabilization of

will be

presented to the Convention."

v

Owing to the attention directed

currencies, a special report on this

GENERAL

Committee

Report of

on Nominations—Newly
Officers

Elected

39

SESSION.
banking is carried
and the greater

The work of

(Mercantile-Commerce Bank & Trust Co., St. Louis,

W. L. Hemingway

Mo.), Chairman of Committee on Nominations: A regularly called meeting
of the Nominating Committee was held in the Borgia Room,

Hotel,

Sept.

are as

The unanimous recommendations

Francis

St.

Committee

follows:

For

St.

22.

For

Orval W.

Vice-President:

First

For

Smith, President

this

National Bank,

Boatmen's

Vice-President:

Second

Executive Vice-President,

Adams,

Salt Lake City, Utah.

Bank,

Bank of Brooklyn, Brooklyn, N. Y.

Stephen¬

the Secretary.

President Fleming:

Gentlemen of the Convention, you have heard the

report of the Nominating Committee.

Are there

any

President, I

Adams for First Vice-President, and Mr.

Mr.

Mo.):

Benson for Second

Vice-President.

President Fleming: You have

heard Mr.

Is there a

Hawes's motion.

second to it ?

regularly seconded by Mark M. Holmes, President,
Exchange National Bank, Olean, N. Y.; the motion was put to a vote and

[The motion

was

carried.]

•;

President Fleming:

Mr.

Dunkerly:

.V-

The ballot having been cast, I advise you now that

Mr. Smith has been elected your President for the ensuing year, Mr.

Adams

First Vice-President, and Mr. Benson your Second Vice-President.

your

The

Executive

that Arthur B.

Council announced,

following its organization meeting,

Taylor, President of the Lorain County Savings & Trust

Co. of Elyria, Ohio, had been re-elected Treasurer and that F. N.

Shepherd

had been re-named Executive Manager of the Association.

:

Remarks

'

I. '

.

President-Elect Tom

of

deeply impressed with the honor

have

you

Smith

K.

I

am

I

earnestly hope for the strength of mind and body which will justify your!
confidence in my ability to meet the obligations imposed upon me as leader

Presentation

As First Vice-President I have had

enthusiasm,

energy

Association.

It is

source

of personal satisfaction that by the provisions
member of

a

our

Administrative Committee

for another three years.

position have

a

However,

extended address

who have elected me to this

you

President-elect

Recog¬

nizing the value of the regional conferences which Mr. Fleming inaugurated

them during the next

It is my belief also

year.

that the problem of public relations, which deservedly received
consideration during the past year, merits our
energy

Harry
Mr.

extensive

to sustain a

sorely

has been

a

period

We have been fighting to keep our banks solvent,

local,

and

State

National

of extensive chahges.

one

and

ance

been

This

governments.

period

New banking legislation has been en¬

There have been fundamental alterations in the methods of issu¬

acted.

distribution

back

(Vice-President,

home

of

First

investment

securities.

Gigantic

banking

new

chartered banks, some to supplement their activities during the emer¬

members

and

of

the American Bankers

October 193i will

that almost overwhelmed that

their

heads,

never

banking legislation

was

introduced, some good,

atmosphere such

an

was

we

as

existed in 1931,

should have

a

years ago are

us.

giving place to

Consumer credit has grown to gigantic proportions.

about

perplexity

bewilderment.

and

During

these

crowded years we have been too busy to give them more than scant atten¬
tion.

It is time for

new seas
as we

in which

us

and take our bearings; we must chart these

to pause

we are

There is

to sail.

imperative need for research

an

face the opportunities and responsibilities of these

Often

we

think of research

as

an

changing times.

elusive pursuit in the realm of theory.

.But there'is another way of looking at it.

To

put

it in plain language,

research is the effort to fund out what we should do when we cannot keep
on

doing what

System
is

an

now

we

The study of the

being made by the Association's Committee

example of

early date

have done before.

a

on

Postal

Savings

sical strength

type of fact finding of great importance to us all.

During

At

an

official connection with the

my

Association I have given a great deal of time and thought to research, and
I am

now

prepared to

administration.
how
serve

this

in

announce

We must

now

it as one of the major objectives of my

take stock of

the interests of the depositor and

we

learn

in

our

banker in America.
every agency

support.

In

our

resources

and determine

rapidly changing business and economic order

studies

If we

are

must

can

best

Education must follow.

The

be conveyed and

explained to every

to make effective the results of our

of banking education must receive
bringing

we

borrower.

Research in itself, however, is not enough.
facts

financial

support

bankers must not feel that they are

to

our

these

moral and

our

educational

research,

financial
agencies,

offering donations out of their bank

funds, rather they must realize that they are making investments; which
will return dividends to themselves

nity.

individually and to the banking frater¬

Of all the branches of business,

banking offers the least tangible

product and is the least understood by the public.




result, much

a

indifferent,

some

as

Chairman of the

Federal

and courage to oppose, as well as propose, whose honesty

and integrity of purpose were unassailable, whose standing was equalled

by

few and excelled by none, and, most important, one who had the faculty
and habit of getting

results.

in good, old-fashioned common sense.

Did such

a man

exist and could he be found ?

If

we

found him, could he

be induced to accept the position as Chairman of the Federal Legislative

Committee, not for

one

but possibly until the crisis had passed?

year,

Could he give it the time and effort necessary to bring about the desired
We considered the availability of a number of men,

results?

and, with

regard for the many outstanding bankers, by

of elimination we unanimously decided to request Robert V.

a process

Fleming to

the appointment.

accept

He accepted, not with the idea of glorifying himself, not with the idea of

an

recognition.

or

These

already

were

his attain¬

among

His sole purpose was to serve not only the business in which he

ments.

was

important factor but also to serve his country, in a crisis, to the best

of his ability along a

line in which he was so admirably equipped to

How well he has succeeded is a matter of record.

serve.

Through his wise counsel,

occupies a plane higher than at any time in its history.
You have shown your appreciation of his efforts tty elevating him unani¬

mously to the highest position within the power of the American Bankers
Association to confer upon anyone, but even so you can never fully render
him the honor which is his for the tremendous service which he has

unto

I know from personal experience that during the past five years

rendered.

he has worked for long periods of time, day after day, and night after night,
until almost the hour of sunrise on the following day—all in the interests

of the banks of this country, its depositors, and borrowing customers, and
the exclusion of many personal, social and family matters.

to

The greatest

problem to me is not to understand what he has done but

how he has stood the strain physically and mentally and my only answer

one

The more intelligently

of the best

no

worries, except to find

more

In addition to all these duties he

banks in this country.

He has been at the head of

of the social and civic organizations of Washington and served

the board of directors of many of its

on

outstanding corporations.

wonder that the District of Columbia Bankers at Hot Springs,
Virginia in 1932, at whose meeting I was present, presented him with a
Is it any

testimonial designating

Columbia?

him as the outstanding banker in the District of

And that is not all.

of the Board of Trade of the
members

were

It

was my

pleasure to attend the meeting

District of Columbia at which

He is an exception which

proves the rule to the

Biblical quotation, "A man is not without honor save in his
among

thousand

a

present when he was designated the outstanding citizen of

the City of Washington.

Banking Studies

shall complete this study and submit it as a basis for the

we

future policy of the Association.

As

bad,

some

Legislative Committee who knew banking, from office boy to President,
who knew the inner workings of Government agencies, who had the phy¬

many

taking place with characteristic American speed, have

brought

naturally

keep

realized that banking legisla¬

we

man

runs

methods.

These changes,

men can

Those who lose

possibly the most important business before the American Bankers

job and it gave him

new

I

but mostly the result of impulse and not clear, ciam, deliberate thinking.

which to labor.

few short

a

And

intimate,

very

forget the Wave of pessimism

frantic appeals were at that time made to our legislators.

than 24 hours a day in

be in direct competition with

depended

Association.

those about them are losing theirs.

when

have been fundamental changes in underlying business practices; forms of
we

pleasure to

their heads would hope to regain their equilibrium through legislation and

financing

which

Philadelphia):

my

At such times few

meeting.

to it is that he knew his

upon

Bank,

National

Convention,

the Convention.

At this time it is

and Gentlemen.

There

gency, and some which appear to

the

of

I have been seclected for this job because of my

in Atlantic City in

institutions, quasi-governmental in character, have appeared, some to aid
our

Haas

President, Ladies

Gentlemen

others, the American Bankers Association has come through this crisis and

crumbling business structure, to bring financial assistance to

distressed

J.

and

a matter to present to

advice, untiring personal efforts, and ability to command the services of

The years of the novr passing depression have

of determined struggle.

Ladies

Smith:

We

attention.

continued

profession today is the adaptation of banking to a changing economic en¬
vironment.

President

first-hand information of the subject of which I shall speak.

convinced, however, that the most urgent problem confronting our

am

Retiring

to

Fleming

and enthusiasm the activities of the

Association in the fields of legislation, protection, taxation and insurance.
I

Service

represent not only the bankers who are here but also those bankers who are

receiving honors

I saall continue the worthy projects initiated by my predecessors.

shall likewise carry on with

Silver

Harry Haas of Philadelphia has

right to expect some announcement of the objectives of my

administration, if only in general outline.

last year, I hope to continue

three

which I base my hope for American banking, and

of

all due respect and

I realize that this is neither the time nor the place for an
from the incoming President.

today

us

These

All these may sound like the possessions of a superman but really result

opportunity to observe the char¬

and sincerity for the Presidency of the American Bankers
a

constitution he will be

our

I

of depression.

solve.

cannot

«5,

which has guided the Association during the past

Rovert V. Fleming has established high standards of intelligence,

year.

of

an

cooperation

Robert V.

of the Association during the coming year.

acter of the leadership

eras

problem in banking confronting

no

and

the American Bankers Association as it faces the coming year.

Association and that

fit to confer upon me.

seen

of prosperity, and

eras

there is

education,

the bulwaks upon

tion

of the responsibilities which go with this high office and I am

aaware

research,

these make up the platform upon which I urge your continued support of

In

■'

'

In accepting the Presidency of the American Bankers Association

fully

droughts,

convinced that

which

Those of you who were at the American Bankers Association convention

The ballot has been cast.

President Fleming:

of the burden.

During the past century, our chartered banking system has progressed
in spite of wars,

suppose

' ■■■K'--; f.' V-;
cast the ballot?

4:

Mr. Secretary, will you

of the Associa¬

who has been called upon

With continuation of this spirit, we cannot fail to advance.

Smith for Presi¬

of this convention cast the vote of the convention for Mr.

dent,

acknowledgment of the services of the officers,

has lacked the ability or the willingness to carry his share

that the nominations be closed and the Secretary

move

an

other nominations ?

Richard S. Hawes (Vice-President First National Bank, St. Louis,
Mr.

without

It has been my experience that no man

tion.

by a

its work

statement that I could make regarding

no

the committees, the professional staff, and the membership

are

This report is signed by the Chairman of the Committee and Mr.
son,

would be complete

am

Philip A. Benson, President Dime Savings

whole.

as a

association of this kind cannot be done by one or

few individuals, and

Mo.

State National

Utah

K.

Tom

President:

Louis,

of

bank

the greater will be the profit to the individual

on,

the prestige of banking
an

own

country

his own people and in his own family."

Now, Bob, I want to say to you that your success is not the result of
inheritance, or chance or luck, but it is the result of hard work, intelligently
directed, and with the full backing of your character.
Those who know

best know that while you have many years of useful life before you,

you

the American Bankers Association is going to continue to have the benefit
of your wise
to

you

advice and counsel, and the American Bankers

desire to present to you this chest of silver.

as a

testimonial

I want to read the

inscription to the members:
Presented to Robert V. Fleming by the American Bankers Association
their best regard and esteem and in recognition of his

with

outstanding

achievements

as

President, 1935-1936.

President Fleming:
upon
very
am

Mr. Hass it is difficult

on an occasion such as

this,
receiving this tribute on my endeavors for American banking, to say

much.

However, I assure you that from the bottom of

my

heart I

greateful to this Association for the honors which they have bestowed

upon

me

and for the opportunities they have given to

President-elect Smith:

of this convention.

me.

I understand that that concludes the

.

.

.

proceedings

Therefore, the Sixty-Second Annual Convention of the

American Bankers Association Is adjourned.

NATIONAL

BANK

American Bankers
Fourteenth Annual Meeting,

INDEX
Real Estate Loans for National

The

Bond

Account from

BANK

Banks, by Russell G. Smith—Page 40

Bank President's

a

Association

Held at San Francisco, Calif., Sept. 23, 1936

NATIONAL

TO

DIVISION

DIVISION
Resolution

Federal

Viewpoint, by
44

Andrew Price

47

Address of President C. W. Allendoerfer__

PROCEEDINGS.

Calling

Reserve

Items

Discontinuance

for

Banks

of

Certain

Handling

of

Non-Cash

by

Page

Collection

48

,.— .

Report of Committee

49

Nominations

on

Real Estate Loans for National Banks
By Russell G. Smith, Cashier Bank of America N. T. & S. A., San Francisco, Calif.
National bankers, as a group, neither
sibilities of increased real

appreciate the

estate lending

pos¬

realize their

nor

it is the commercial banking tradition which

effectively to prejudice

so

responsibility to provide their communities with mortgage

real estate loans.

money.

when

We need
is true!
of the

to

banks

make

to

$150,000,000,

secured by

loans

banks

to

but

their time

around

$7,500,000,000,

$1,340,000,000,

years,

deposit total

estate

real

17.8% of the time

or

time deposits of

by more than $6,000,000,000

National bankers have,

in the

period, increased their real estate loans but slightly

same

Under the law, National banks could

$1,000,000,000.

have

$4,500,000,000

their present time

real estate

invested in

mortgages

on

deposit basis; instead, the total of real

estate loans is less than

The time deposits in

National banks

are

of substantially

deposits in the 10,000 State

banks of the country, yet these

State banks, with $16,000,-

same

character

as

000,000 in time deposits, have approximately $7,500,000,000
in

mortgage loans.

time

This figure amounts to 46.8%

proportion shown for the National banks.
reason

for this

of identical funds, and

great

difference in

their

There exists no
the employment

it is particularly illogical at a time

when National banks are experiencing

of

of the

deposits of State banks, and is nearly three times the

valid

mounting deposits

difficulty in keeping

gainfully occupied.

As

matter

a

they serve, National banks should place a much larger per¬

estate

liberalization

loans by

passage

of

of

the

legal

restrictions

National banks has been

of character in banking
and

savings deposits,

National

of

in process

loans only in the
banks

that

loans of
to

a

when

our

with only a

no

banks

were

commercial

This

banks

small proportion of time deposits, it is slightly

of place in 1936 when time deposits make up 30% of the
deposit composition of our National banking system.
Yet
out




will provide a return sufficient

banks

estate

If

we

their savings deposits.

on

continue to

share in

the

savings

share in the real

must be prepared to

financing in which

employed.
we

to

are

these savings

may

properly be

accept the savings of the American people

it to them to put those funds to work in the proper

owe

channels of constructive activity.

just, but it is
necessary

conomically

Not only is this socially
It

necessary.

for two important reasons.

economically

is

First,

because

sav¬

ings represent capital accumulation, and it is out of capital
accumulation

that

should

Second, because banks must have the higher

come.

earning

money

reasonable rate of interest

Unless

the

National

return for the use of
see

mortgage

their

of

the

country

of these longer term investments if they are

power

to pay a

the

banks

of

on

the

savings deposits.
country

pay

a

fair

savings funds, they must be prepared

savings deposits gradually gravitate to build¬

leaving National banks Avith only commercial banking busi¬

Many

place in a commercial

truly

partly savings require longer term

are

permit the payment of interest

If National

deposits should seek

ing and loan associations and to strictly savings banks, thus

While this attitude was proper in 1913,

National

quarrel with the theory

commercial field, but it is equally clear

which

While

ness.

some

that the

had

will

real

feeling that real estate loans, being non¬

capital assets,

one

character which

selves of the

privilege of increased real estate lending.

institutions with both commercial

No

banks.

banking would

commercial

dwindle

is the case with the great majority

as

that banks having strictly commercial

National bankers, however, have been loath to avail them¬

banking system.

standpoint of the strictly com¬

since

on

the Federal Reserve Act in 1913.

has been due to a

commercial

month by month.

to

centage of their time deposits in mortgage loans.

the

from the

a

bankers still view

posits increase apace and their commercial loans

practical benefit to themselves and to the communities

Gradual

termed

bankers, regardless of the fact that their time de¬

of the people they

$1,500,000,000.

the time

the

be

Although this attitude is perfectly proper for banks whose

have increasd

past 21

during the

loans

estate

could

deposit composition is almost entirely commercial, it is out

of

In other words, while the

deposit total.

real estate, the

banks amounted

real

mercial

banks

great many National

a

of

hovering

amount

24 permitting

banking system,

with the time deposit total of Na¬

11.7%

or

Today,

National banks

over

after the passage

mortgage loans held by National

$1,285,000,000.
tional

to realize that this

the record

In 1915, a little more than a year

of

loans

at

Federal Reserve Act, with its Section

National
total

only glance

has operated

National bankers against

Although the time has long since passed

National

our

many

be

or

argue

good

that

thing,

the

serve

banking capacity.

such

it

majority of National banks

communities and
every

may
a

a

must be

are

transition

in

remembered

in small cities and

people of those communities in

Banks chartered solely for savings

solely for commercial business could not exist in small

cities

and

towns.

Consequently, some communities would

be deprived of banks.

Furthermore, to deny savings facili¬

ties to the smaller banks will force
and

borrow

from

absentee

people to deposit with

institutions

and

thus

deprive

41

NATIONAL BANK DIVISION.
the

of

communities

local

^from

supporting influence that comes

employment of local funds in local building and

the

purchase or

There is a constant demand for loans for the

of

construction

and there is

homes,

demand. will

indication that

every

proportions

increasing

steadily

assume

during the next several years.

The studies of the Federal

Housing Administration have

shown that there is a need

there is

to

building

residential

encourage

purchase

in

way

every

construction of homes in nearly every

or

This demand is and will con¬

community in the country.
tinue to be

local demand and should be supplied by local

a

Not

funds.

of

interests

it is equally necessary for the
banks

National

the

the welfare of the

for

only is this desirable

communities themselves, but
best

and

This means a well maintained demand for loans

possible.
the

those

serving

com¬

munities.

By far the greater proportion of these institu¬

tions have

a

Due
the

deposit composition made up partly of savings

They cannot

deposits.
basis

if

they

of

volume

continue to operate on a profitable
entirely

depend

to

are

economic

to

dearth

which

we

are

trusts in

familiar,

loans has been on the

and these loans are not likely

demand

of

all

In

great volume in the near future.

credit

commercial

for

has

banks taking on the aspects of

already resulted in many
investment

commrcial loans.

strictly commercial

to be available in any

the

on

with

factors

down grade for many years,

fact,

effort to keep their deposits gain¬

an

That the return on this class of investment

fully occupied.

retrogression and is definitely detrimental to the best

sents

of

interests

should

munities

This would improve earnings,

*

greatly increased service to the community.

in

Only by completely serving the deposit and credit needs

and

deposits,

manner,

amount of

savings

a

de¬

If National banks wish to place

posits is clearly evident.
their operations on a

permit the payment of

any

on

truly profitable basis, retain their sav¬

If National banks are not pre¬

in those communities.

ence

pared to do this, they may with confidence look forward
to

and

a

should

communities

sense

proper

they must be prepared to place a much larger pro¬

responsibility to their

of

Mortgage loans, properly made and serviced, are a highly

loans.

estate

An expansion

of real estate loans means increased earn¬
due to the fact that real estate

ings for National banks,
loans yield a
In

consistently high return

investment

from 3%

ranges

real estate mortgages

down,

secured

by homes may be had at rates

to

In period of high bond yields, interest rates on real

6%.

ranging from 6% to 8%.

estate loans have also been high,

Over

26-year period in one mortgage lending institution

a

a

The

loss ratio.

small

principal admitted

estate loans in the past has been lack of

for amortization of principal, by the introduction of the
insured mortgage loan, and

country

indicates

over

mortgage money consistently

better than

A

going rate for many years.

the

rates

time

survey

that

returns

of inter¬

the present

at

average

an

of

5V2%.

Nor is this excellent interest return dissipated by a high

While

ratio.

loss

comparative

real

for
bond

and

stock

data

loans,

estate

on

relative loss

the

commercial

is not available,

investments

due

unsound

estate loans

primarily to faulty methods of financing, such as

lending

appraisals,

unrealized

on

failing to give proper consideration

appreciation,

to the character and

financial condition of the borrower, and to other ill-advised

Most of the ills commonly charged to real estate

practices.
were

in

reality due to lack of a proper technique in

bankers will but mold the

If National

mortgage lending.
accumulated

of many years of mortgage lend¬

experience

ing by institutions specializing in this type of loan into
scientific

real

loan

estate

point of losses than either commercial loans

policy

to-fit

their

a

I

investments.

bond

loans

it is

and
be¬

my

have found that

stock and

or

this opinion is held

quite generally among bankers who have had long experi¬
mortgage lending.

in

ence

Thus

by changes in the Federal Re¬

Other asserted weaknesses of real

Act.

loans

est

In many

5%, and in others 8%

have, on the whole, been more satisfactory from the stand¬

but

liquidity, but this has been corrected by proper provisions

were

6%.

the interest rate on loans averaged close to

part of savings de¬

with

serve

jarying from 4^%

Such loans provide a consistently high rate of re¬

weakness of real

K

the funds invested.

on

period when the yield on bonds available for sound

a

lief, based on 24 years in banking, that real estate loans

satisfactory investment medium for a
posits.
turn

and

bankers actively

National

impel

aggressively to develop their savings deposits and their real

experience

portion of their savings deposits in mortgage loans.

Both enlightened

which will.

competitor institution

a

self-interest

their communities in the proper

serve

their exist¬

of their communities can National banks justify

has been the

interest

and

permit the payment of a reasonable rate of interest,
result

loans available is not sufficient to

of

proportion of such

employ a larger

deposits in real estate loans.

localities it has never dropped below

reasonable rate

banks

National

it.

to

develop the savings business of their com¬
should

and

adhering

banks

the

seek to

plus that obtainable from the small volume of commercial

ings

they will

Such a policy repre¬

accept from any one savings depositor.

question but that the Federal Government will

no

continue

for

housing throughout the country,

additional

much

for

of 2Y2% now permissible

below the already low maximum

and, in addition, have limited the amount which

business.

this

time deposits far

cut their interest rates on

have

enues,

considered

that,

see

we

from

real

angle,

every

estate loans are a desirable investment medium for National

It

banks.

banks are to derive

of

loan

with

of

ciples of mortgage lending.

evolved

principles,

over

trouble, it

in accordance

made

be

is

this type

essential

that

with sound prin¬

It is to a discussion of these

long period

a

in which

entirely apply, and if National

maximum of benefit from

a

minimum

a

loans

estate

real

of credit

however, a special field

is,

commercial practices do not

of years

by

many

institutions engaged in mortgage lending that the remainder
of this paper

First

individual

on

will be devoted.

the list comes the principle

of amortization,

re¬

needs, it will be possible for them to employ a much larger

quiring that every real estate loan belmade with provision

proportion of their savings deposits in mortgage loans, with

for

safety and with profit.

portance

The desirability of such a policy
wre

consider the problem

banks

of the

is at

now

once

evident when

confronts the National

During the past

country.

deposits of National

which

three

have increased nearly

banks

total

years

$9,500,-

000,000.

In the

000,000.

This decrease in loans, coupled with the tremen¬

dous

increase

same

in

National bankers

period, loans have decreased

deposits,
a

has placed

total of more than

at

the

$358,-

disposal

$9,850,000,000, most

of which, due to lack of demand for commercial credit,
gone

With

yield

into the investment account and into excess
these
on

excess

reserves

high-grade bonds at the lowest point in 30

National banks, in




an

has

reserves.

earning nothing, and with

earnings have suffered severely.
many

of

the

years,

The result has been that

effort to improve fading

rev¬

by means of regular payments.

liquidation

Had the

emphasized.

there

to

prior

period

is

mortgage

depression

the

doubt but that

no

foreclosures
rowers

would

not

would have had

a

have
a

loans
been

made

effort

to

retain

the

amortized,

large part of the depression
been

Many bor¬

necessary.

much larger equity in their prop¬

In addition,

it.

during

properly

erty and would therefore have made a much
ous

The im¬

of amortizing real estate loans cannot be over¬

a

more

steady

strenu¬

stream

of

instalment payments in the pre-depression years would (have

brought many real estate loans down to a point
in

line with

have
many

made

the decrease

possible

nearly

less

drastic foreclosure

policy

for

banks.

Unquestionably,
with

a

more

in real estate values, and would

one

of the great lessons of the depression

respect to real estate loans is the absolute necessity

42
of

BANKERS'

providing

instalment

for

the borrower's indebtedness.

steadily

payments
As

a

CONVENTION.
With regard to maturities, experience has shown

reduce

to

result, the flat loan has

making farm loans, short-term loans

practically disappeared and amortization is the watchword

ficial to the farmer and

of the day.

the long-term loans.

Not

only is

but it

amortization essential

in lending on

applies with equal force to loans

business and farm

of

Such loans should be paid off

property.

during the best earning

homes,
type

every

on

of the property, and a pro¬

years

of liquidation, based on the probable productive life

gram

of the property,

should be part and parcel of every loan on

income-producing real estate.
the amortization program

which

the

farm

when

years,

the

In

from

produces

should

be

In

year.

is high,

good

the rate

of

order that the farmer's

in

faster,

to

year

the level of farm prices

amortization

of farm loans,

case

should be based upon the income

farmer to get

be

then

renewed

Placing real
sirable from

estate loans

the

To the borrower
ward

to

the farmer when the lean years

carry

reduced

an

on

a

income.

is

borrower and

de¬

lender.

ownership with

steadily increasing

con¬

It makes possible a single long-term loan without

fidence.

the expense and uncertainty of renewals.
his

assume

expected

obligation

The borrower

with full understanding

of

can

what

is

of him and, further, he is encouraged to main¬

tain his loan in good standing by

the knowledge that every

possible,

as

and the

The maturity should be

In

fast

as

next

his

Through

the farmer's

income
no

indebtedness

permit

of

instead

account of varying yearly

sympathetic

a

will

may

and the

return period

crop

this way

as

year's

The reduced loan

and understanding

rela¬

tionship between the banker and the farmer it is possible
the benefits of long-term credit without incurring
disadvantages.

numerous

flexible

in

way

The short-term farm loan is

which

permits the bank greater lee¬

instrument

the

serving

without

farmer

sacrificing

essential

security.
Some may argue that real estate loans are made on real

of liquidation means looking for¬

program

eventual

instalment basis

both

viewpoint of

the

by set instalments which take

a

come.

quickly

as

the loan.

on

to

repeated.

process

is

possible

as

its

position to

out of debt

the farmer should be urged to apply as much of his

earnings

to extend

better

satisfactory to the bank than

more

arranged to coincide with the period of crop returns and

his period of prosperity.

a

that in

actually more bene¬

After all, it is to the advantage of the

short-term loan helps him do this.

indebtedness may be cut down as much as possible during

The bank will thus be in

are

estate

and

moral

that

risk

secondary considerations.
banks

which

and

credit

responsibility

are

This viewpoint may do for those

willing to acquire property by slow pur¬

are

chase, but for bankers who wish to make loans secured by
real

and

estate

desire

who

to

those

see

loans

schedule, moral risk and credit responsibility

out

pay

on

of para¬

are

monthly payment brings him that much closer to complete

mount

importance.

While the value of the property deter¬

ownership of his property.

mines

the

safety of

From the standpoint of the lender, amortization is doubly

desirable.

The instalments steadily reduce

'risk

the amount

of

the

bank's

the

security of the loan and to offset depreciation of the

in

the

property, serving both to

A revolving fund for loans is provided, and

property.

loans may be made from the
constant

ter to

to

increase

incoming payments.

supply of investment funds, banks
their communities

serve

supply

steady,

a

through being in

it

ment

loans provide

position

a

In the event

a

bank

to reduce its outstanding credit, instal¬

necessary

to

whom

look

we

to

the principal,

it is the bor¬

keep the loan in good stand¬

ing, and the loan should be made

basis that will

upon a

reasonably insure satisfactory performance of the contract.
Foreclosure

and

sale,

if conducted without loss, is

even

highly unsatisfactory method of collecting
In

With this

enabled bet¬

flow of credit, in place of alter¬

even

nating periods of plenty and paucity.
finds

are

new

rowers

ultimate

determining the amount which

a

loan.

be safely loaned

may

piece of real estate, two factors must be considered:

a

on

a

First, the present and probably future value of the property;
and, second,

the income of the borrower,

property, in the

of commercial

case

or

either

from

the

farm real estate, or

from other sources, in the case of the individual home-owner.
I

with

minimum

a

a

of

means

of

accomplishing this result

disturbance

to

the

The

community.

bank simply tightens up on new loans and lets the incom¬

ing payments
borrow

to

provide

a

reduce
the

at

the

total.

Federal

self-liquidating security.

loans furnish the bank with
of the

ness

If

Reserve

loan.

A

a

it

and

amortized

loans

In addition, amortized

monthly check

delinquent instalment

the loan to the attention of the bank for

action

is found necessary

Bank,

the sound¬

on

serves

to bring

possible corrective

greatly reduces the possibility of loss.

the

basis

on

which

the

loan

is

made.

Experience has

shov£|i conclusively that in making real estate loans the
time-hohored three
should

be

erty in judging
borrower that
as

a

moral

tion.

C's—Character, Capacity and Capital—

given equal

the desirability

we

and

weight with the value of the
of the loan.

to all

It is to

should

of

be

given full considera¬

judging the moral risk

and may be passed

rower

is

an

important item.

of age

to

arned income

as

years

assume

the

only

a

To allow

15-

means

or

a

of the bor¬
who

man

20-year

loan,

is

with

50

his

of payment, is unjust both

to the borrower and to the bank.

Loans must be paid

pay

off during its best earning

that home loans which

are

years, so

to be

also it is

paid out of earned income

be arranged to mature within the borrower's best
years.

under

necessary

productive

If the borrower is unable to handle the obligation
these conditions,

refuses the loan.

t*j




the bank does him

a

favor when it

loans,

for

the

an

indication of ability

earn over

maintenance

income

which

loans

the

income

the land at

of opinion.

value

than

the

given

any

of

the

farm

rather

In

than

order

a

of

to estimate

may

of

case

relatively
be

Income value

placed
be

may

appraisal is only a matter

an

over a

on

the

period of

aver¬

years

value

normal

income.

with any accuracy the present and

of

a

given

piece

of

real

estate,

a

appraisal must be made, not only of the property

itself, but of

every

its present

other factor which

or

future value.

premises, together with

and of

be

may

single year, for in this way it is possible to

estimate

probable future
careful

of

The income value should be based

better

get a

farm is

value which

time.

level of farm commodity prices

age

the

In

expenses.

the

the period of the loan is of the utmost

fairly well determined while

some

can

in any way influ¬

A detailed inspection of

knowledge of the district

property values therein, may form the basis for

a

fairly good estimate of present value; but with loan maturi¬
ties

stretching out

over

10,

15

or

20 years,

other factors

into play which must be given full consideration if the

come

loan is to be properly protected until
maturity.
There is the question of depreciation in value due to
age

out

of income, and just as it is necessary that business property

providing

greater importance

the

age

as

importance, for experience has shown that in the
farm

there

making long-term real estate loans the

to

farm

expected to

regard to the credit risk,

further

In

of

ence

several factors which must be taken into consideration.

In

addition
case

with¬

out

of great importance—value as an ultimate

properly service the loan and amortize the principal, in

over

us,

are

comment.

to

the

look for payment, and his standing

must

credit risk

The importance of correctly

is well known

prop¬

are

guaranty of safety, and income

upon

The second principle of sound real estate lending relates
to

Both factors

and

usage.

tent and

While such depreciation

construction and severity of usage.
may

of

is inevitable,

its

ex¬

rapidity is largely conditioned by the quality of
Construction standards

be gauged in the appraisal process, and the character

the

guide

present
as

or

to what

depreciation

potential
to

factor

occupants

expect in
for

furnishes

a

reliable

the matter of usage.

multi-family

dwellings

and

The
com-

43

NATIONAL BANK DIVISION.
mercial buildings of every

and

description as well as for small

the

added consideration due to the possi¬

factor must be given

land through ex¬

bility of depreciation in the quality of the
haustion

and

and
of

value

piece

a

property

of

the appraiser

Hence,

is

He must be able to judge whether

district is on the way up or down,

"dynamic."

He

judge

must

as

whether it is "static"

foresee

to

possible

He must

shifts in population from

such as

city and determine if the various districts,

of the

one

layout

He must be able to analyze the

district to another.

industrial, commercial, financial and residential, are

likely

if there is a probability of further

to remain unchanged or

movenient which would have an effect on property values

Other obsolescence factors

the district under consideration.
include

value due to changes in economic or

use

of

eventualities

these

Next

his

must exercise

in value

through

a

general depression in business

line under consideration.

over-building in the

through

the first factor it is interesting to note

with

In connection

past experience of

many

institutions well versed in

mortgage lending indicates that loans made in depression

due

fact that in good times there is

over-value properties and to
to the other factors

of

depression

order

of

credit

and

the

appraisals

other factors, such

day, and

receive their just

of the

level and for

for

the

and

Proper pro¬

changes in

eco¬

depends upon accurately judging the point

business cycle at the time

both

the

are

income

as

due.

against depreciated values due to

.allowances

of

give insufficient consideration

ultra-consirvative

loans

nomic conditions

tendency to

a

a

of appraisal and making

estate price

inflated real

possible

probable trend of values during the life

against to a large extent by care in the selection of loans
for

new

construction.

for

new

building of

*In judging the desirability of loans
any

be

character, consideration must

given to the actual need for the new construction and to its

commercial

on

loans already

It is important

would be

in

Third
is

on

the list of sound principles

the policy

in
the

desirability of

dential,

may

the

new

of

case

bank's

of

security carry those less desirable.

The experience of

long period

of years indicates

lenders

mortgage

and

the

of property are far more satis¬

clearly that certain types

A

by

property,

in

reduced

reliable guide as

watching carefully

to the

the

trend

of

properties similar to the one under

appraising the property, in determining the proper

terms of

record of the property

payment, the performance

classification in which the security

and

belongs should be taken

property classifications showing a

other

of the property has been made

factors

proper

In

allowances made.

consideration

way

their own

and the bank will be in a position to offer more

able terms

on

this

high proportion of

trouble and foreclosure items can be made to pay
way,

ratio

appraised value, in fixing the interest rate and

of loan to

favor¬

properties showing a good performance rec¬

ord, with resultant benefit to the

bank and to the com¬

munity.
While
of

detailed analysis of the

a

comparative desirability

of mortgage security is not feasible at

the many types

general observations in this regard may be

this time, a few
of interest.

Experience has shown clearly that single and two-family
dwellings

the most desirable types of mortgage

are

Not only do they

furnish

a

closed

sible

loss record on fore¬

They

satisfactory.

very

are

loans, usually under $5,000, and, as such, make pos¬

small

the

likewise

is

property

security.

relatively small proportion of

trouble and foreclosure items, but the

This is important, for

wide diversification of risk.

a

experience of many mortgage lenders indicates

that many small loans are

much

to

clearly

far better than a few large ones.

standpoint of both safety of principal and satis¬

factory performance of contract, 40 loans

of $5,000 each are

preferred over one loan of $200,000.

be

field of real estate financing the

In the

small home owner is surely

coming into his own, for his performance record shows that
he is

definitely

a

preferred risk.

favorable record,

and the
risk

the

affecting

the

present

and

and in, making loans upon these types

both the relation to the loamto appraised value

interest rate to be paid should

inherent

in

the

Jreflect

the greater

By thus tailing cognizance of

probabilities

loss

varying

loan.

in

each!-,type

of mortgage

security, banks will be enabled to maintain their real estate
loaning operations on a more profitable basis.
Thus

careful appraisal

and this knowl¬

lending activities.

edge may be put to good use in future

family dwellings such as apartments and hotels do not show

construction, either commercial or resi¬

be had

various

a

brought into being in a

consideration.
a

over

factory than others as mortgage security,

In

It is no part

practice to make the more desirable types

of sound mortgage

Generally speaking, special purpose buildings and multi-

income

debtors.

rentals and vacancies in

After

in mortgage lending

each type of property offered as

of making

security stand by itself and pay its own way.

ing the value of properties already under fiiortgage to the

to

the borrower's

capacity.

of property,

and,

which

standing today had the initial arrange¬

good

payment been more in line with

for

ments

a

rentals

real estate loans long since foreclosed

are many

community already well supplied can result only in decreas¬

bank,

the property

meeting his pay¬
that this be done, for undoubtedly

New

held by the bank.

residential property

or

consideration must be

keep it in good repair, in addition to

there

•

probable effect

the

the loan is

In determining the

quickly.

monthly instalment,

of the

From the

loan.

the

Depreciation in value due to over-building may be insured

capacity.

for if it is too large

of the borrower,

ments.

entering into the loan, while in the case

responsibility,

tection

This is undoubtedly

periods of relative prosperity.

the

to

loan and the amortiza¬

given to the borrower's ability to pay taxes on

periods are far more satisfactory in every way than loans
made in

of the property, it is

or

should bear a proper relation to

The monthly payment

amount

best

to pay off within the

be scaled to the borrower's

tion program

income

In as much as the

into

factors is the possibility

of depreciation

the list

on

of loss

that

Upon

of prophecy.

powers

or

the appraiser

re¬

mechani¬

lack of adaptibility to diversified use.

cal processes;

all

style and layout of buildings;

changes in the

duction in

in

as

of the borrower

years

important that both the size of the

possibility of

to the

changes in building restrictions and zoning laws.
be able

factor.

obsolescence

an

use

be prepared to prophesy con¬

must

cerning many things.

or

its

estimate

to

which tends to reduce the

influence

any

effort made

an

Obsolescence is a reduction in use

probable proportions.
value,

value due to obsolescence

of depreciation in

considered

be

must

earning

and places

injurious to the borrower,

is

disadvantage from the start.

a

likely to become delinquent

importance.

Possibility

him at

crop

of the farmer are

rotation, irrigation facilities, and the skill
of prime

of crops,

diversity

Here

misuse.

other

or

this

by farm real estate,

secured

loans

of

case

credit

Excessive

loan should be amortized so

potential occupants.

In

a

of the present

be estimated from the character

homes may

purely

far

we

have

technical

sidered from

discussed real

viewpoint

this angle,

of

estate loans

bank

from

management.

it is clear that real

the

Con¬

estate loans,

probable future value have been weighed and allowed for,

properly made, are a desirable investment medium for Na¬

consideration must also be given to the relationship of the

tional banks,

loan to the income and net worth of the borrower.

tively low loss ratio.

rower

A bor¬

whose only assets are his income and his prospective

an

excellent interest return, and a rela¬

However, there is another aspect to this question of real

equity in the property should not be allowed to assume an

estate loans

obligation which is out of line with his total responsibility.

every




with

and

banker.

one

which is worthy

of consideration by

Not only are real estate loans desirable as a

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

44
highly satisfactory

of

source

revenue,

relations.

greatly

their field

service and

of

tions, j'eal

the case,

a

The able addresses

convention of Lindsay Brad-

at this

leave little to be added to

and

problems of

The very fact
four

speakers

banks investment portfolio.

a

bank investments

uppermost in the minds of bankers

are

Those of

hear these addresses

Indeed, the facts

who

you

fortunate enough to

were

reports will recall that they are in

or

substantial agreement as to

lished beyond

selected

extent, is convincing evidence that

an

the

reason

for this state of affairs.

which they proceed have been estab-

on

question by all who have studied the subject.

In its summary of facts,

the able report of the Commission

Study of the Bank Structure of the New York, State

Bankers Association,

published last

year,

said:

Whatever the theory of commercial banking may be, we face an accom-

piished fact,

a

practical condition where true self-liquidating commercial

loans have dwindled to small proportions and capital assets have become
the predominant part of bank

The extent to which this change

Policy

Commission.

has occurred is interest-

In

its

the

showing

reports

distribution of earning*assets of commercial banks
this

since 1900,

report shows that at that time and continuing with

only minor fluctuations until 1925, commercial loans constituted

banks,

approximately 50% of the
compared with

as

in investments.

What

an average

commercial

of

assets

of approximately 25%

marked contrast with the present

a

condition, when only 19% of assets in commercial banks are
in loans

compared with 60% in investments.

as

r

.

As

SO

was

well said

be

well

cannot

for

friend

a

public rela¬

By

overlooked.

will

completely

more

of those com¬

part

a

the benefits, not only of an excel¬

reap

Bank President's Viewpoint
Bank of Commerce, Seattle, Wash.
true in the small bank as in the large one.

The fact that

men's time and thoughts are absorbed with many things in
small banks does not relieve them of this responsibility,
By the same token, the President of a large bank has the

responsibility even though the task of supervision of
its bond account is delegated to a committee,
An outstanding necessity of banks today is for more
thoroughly trained investment men in their official organizations. These men should be selected for their sound,
mature judgment as >vell as their knowledge of investment
securities. It is desirable that they> be»officers of equal rank

and standing in the organization as those handling loans.

Too often, it seems to me, banks which have splendid staffs
of loan officers rest for their investment decisions upon men
who are not well rounded in principles of sound banking as

well as sound investment procedure. Obviously, every
bank cannot have separately constituted bond investment
In such

divisions.

cases,

it is the duty of the individual

charged with the responsibility for making bond investments
,

..

,

,

,

to endeavor so to equip himself by study and application

portfolios.

ingly developed in figures given out yesterday by the Economic

make

to

building good

same

program

this subject, and that the reports have de-

on

everywhere.

discussion of the policy, procedure

a

that those in charge of the

veloped it to such

for

committees and commissions,

of the Association's

reports

and

in

lent investment medium, but of increased goodwill as well.

By Andrew Price, President National

ford, J. Harvey Wilkinson and Mr. Eichler, and the various

a

loans

become

munities and

and with every loan the bank has the opportunity

The Bond Account From

factor

estate

will

banks

larger group than would otherwise be

much

a

services

As

supplying their communities with mortgage money, National

strengthen their

The bank's facilities are made

standing in the community.
available to

other

institution.

the

healthy public

Through increased real estate lending, banks can

extend

merchandise

to

also offer

but they

admirable instrument for building sound,

an

as to qualify for this task.
It is a responsibility, which in
fa^t as well as in law rests upon the banker himself. He
cannot successfully avoid this by delegation to others,
especially those outside his bank.
Bor *he rca-sons I have previously stated, I feel it would
unduly labor the question for me to undertake to restate
many of the points developed by other speakers at this convention. For brevity's sake, I gladly subscribe in general
f° ^r* Bradford s basic philosophies as outlined by him
yesterday, which were:
J- Confine fheportfoUo to high-grade credits.
2. Limit the maturity risk.

by the New York State Bankers Asso-

3. Be satisfied witn the going rate of return on high-grade credits,

ciation in its study Of this subject:

4. Do not put emphasis on increased earnings from capital gains in the
portfolio.

In fact

one

With

conclusion from recent developments seems inevitable.

the growmg volume of cap.tal assets and long-term assets the element
r

As

long

as

assets of

prices

of declining prices and depressions is

are

rising and business is growing, banks

must be

These peri-

expected, and the bank that fails to recognize this

fact in the selection of its assets does not weather the storms.

contingency risk and-speculation.

The bank that fails to recognize

this fact in the selection of

its assets does not weather the storms.
This

bank is

an

organism, not

Any disturbance in
or
c

less the whole.

An

mere

reason

for this is that a

mechanical combination.

of it will derange

error

or

vitiate

bank's management, and

but the evil

the combination.
branches

of

condition.

a

If

may

errors

ac-

in

a

the product of the two is not their

be raised to

a very

high

power

by

Only by the Jiarmonious operation of all

bank's
a

more

in the conduct of its bond

produces fruits which combine with other

count

sum,

a

one part

The

business

bank has

a

can

it

maintain

a

healthy

large part of its investments in

mortgages or in collateral loans on securities, then obviously
its management must

keep this fact well in mind in select-

ing its bond investments.
The

affairs
should

taken

well

be
as




as

to be able to determine how many

bought and how great

,

.

.

,

OP

:

rather amplify, these points

..

a

risk

can

to maturities and kinds selected.

..

.

ample,

the

that for 25

Economic

years

Policy

bonds

reasonably be
This is equally

a

,

,1

given time.

Com mission's

For

ex-

shows

report

commercial banks successfully operated with

approximately 25% of their assets in investments.

But today,

Let

us

to that portion of our assets

program

with confidence that it is sound in principle and
experience.

j

IhlS can be hedged

*h6 proper timing 01 their application.

proven

when approximately 60% of

assets are in investments, it seems to me we may well

by
our

ponder

with the proprieties of applying the formula to this full
In other words, what we should do with

amount.

mately 35 % of
tainty.
over

As to all

our

or a

lies in the twilight

approxiof

uncer-

substantial part of the present

excess

our assets

normal investment funds, it

zone

seems

to

me

they

should be confined to investments of such maturities and
quality that

we can carry

risk to ourselves

or

them to maturity Vithout undue

restriction of

commercial banking

our

functions.
This is to

a

large extent, of

course, a

and the present low rates lend

banker must therefore know the rest of his bank's
so

I Would, however, qualify,

^th the opinion that in part they rest for their success Upon

apply Mr. Bradford's

principle does not apply to the selection of bonds

alone but to assets in general.

t0 mtur8 serlally over a ,imited

by the relative amount invested at

/

There appears no way to avoid fluctuations in prices or to
eliminate the element of

ten(fc

period

with

can carry on

secondary quality and perhaps make large profits, but the day of

reverses

InTest t„e portfollo s0 tha( i{

appreciated.

now

reckoning always comes when the economic trend changes.
odic

Con(lne the portfolio t0 securities promptly marketable,

6

The extent to which capital values may

quality is of supreme importance.
shrink in periods

g

of

no

cepting "the going rate of return
.

question of timing,

great satisfaction in
on

ac-

high-grade credits"

for all of one's investment funds.

"You can't

said

a

run

good banker.

a

bank successfully

But who would

on

bond profits,"

agree

with him when

45

NATIONAL BANK DIVISION.
lie said, "If the bond account shows

a

running off in income,

I prod my committee into action and get that idle money

working, for the only

way

I

keep income

can

in

up

a

fading

interest market is to buy more (bonds) at a less income rate" ?

During the past three
market has gone
if this

only

banker

same

were

serving

he would temper his remarks.
wisest and most

comes a

No

be

can

will

keep

income is apt

up

But he

do certain things which

errors

of judgment in this

The most important of these is to be constantly

respect.

alert to the three indicators of the financial system:

the rate of

restricted

discount, and the foreign exchanges.

by artificial

economic forces and

orators of the present

Prices,

When

un¬

these register the operation of

means,

point to the time to buy and time to

sell bonds.

Some banks

employed
bonds.
years

if not

Exchange rates

are

now

artificially

trolled by stabilization funds or other restrictions

tically
this

civilized country, and little

every

Discount rates here and

source.

can

in

con¬
prac¬

be learned from

abroad

likewise

are

largely influenced by governmental action.
But

prices

present time, especially those making up the cost of living.
For

these, like the steam

gauge

on

a

boiler, indicate the

temper and pressure of public opinion with respect to the
currency system

In the past

at

a

as

to value

future

Bonds, being contracts to

date, not dollars-wrorth,

are

according to the purchasing

powder

of the dollar.
There is

indicator which is apt to better disclose this

present

trend should it eventuate than the index of the cost of

Under present conditions most
many
or

institutions

are

individuals with

living.

money

uncertainty

the value of the dollar in which these debts will be paid
distant future.

as

And if the cost of living shows a strong ten¬

increased.
In

spite of what has been done with coinage laws, prices
as

they always have been fixed in the world

And here in passing let

markets, in terms of gold.

the personal opinion that

one

me ex¬

of the greatest tasks

national leaders is

which lies ahead of

our

plan which will

again make all contracts gold contracts

once

trade, obviously it is desirable that such

tion of

our

culties.

It

of

simple task, but

a

to

such stabilization,
as

on

with

me

upon

probably

Kemmerer has

so

our

a

plan be under¬

it rests the solu¬

this

way

to

the gold bullion standard,

well said, "the way to stabilize is

type of international leadership not excepting the field of
world peace.

Indeed, it would constitute the greatest single

contribution to peace.
to make

We

war

all

on

credit.

vanced to

Nations, like individuals,

are

slow

with their good customers.

know

legislation,
arrest

class

Then the

The

cure

you

bonds

of

next

the

as

will

cycle

supply of good lower priced

In

Unsound

paralyze enterprise and

appraising various plans which

our

social and economic ills, I

to remember what William

of the Science of

can

are

ad¬

think it well

Graham Sumner, then Professor

Society at Yale University, said in 1896:

The fashion has grown up among

politicians and stufnp orators of using

assertions about prosperity and distress as arguments

for their purpose and

parties come before the public with prosperity policies.




seems

close at hand when
first

to

class

its

ratings.

lower class

when the

paper

Surely memories of 1929 to 1933

course.

too fresh in the

or

be unto the banker who finds him¬

woe

considerable amount of such

runs

only

obtainable under it, but

entitled

be

for this is not

cheaper bonds will in truth be second

self with any

minds of most of

us

to find

in that

us

position.
But for those of

us

who may forget or

have experienced the devastations of a
rate bond

of this

rence

those too

young

depreciated

to

corpor-

portfolio, it is likely well enough that attempts

have been made to throw up

legal barriers against

a recur¬

I refer to the regulations respect¬

experience.

the

Comptroller's interpretative ruling with respect to this

section dated Feb.

15, 1936, and the Comptroller's circular

address delivered

containing excerpts from his
mento

on

most

a

These introduce

May 2, 1936.

important bearing

investment

upon

a new

in

Sacra¬

factor which

the formulation of

an

policy.

This law puts

tipon the Comptroller of the Currency a

duty to prescribe limitations and restrictions with respect
the securities which

to

purchase for its
of

own

national banking association may

a

account, and leaves to him the duty

defining the term "investment securities"

as

he

by

may

regulation prescribe.
State banks, members of

subject to the
This

was

same

a

Comptroller.
should

the Federal Reserve System,

big assignment which Congress

Comptroller's regulations, it

have been directed to him in

not

Like certain other

itself.

the pressure

are

limitations and conditions.
gave

to the

The discussion and controversy which have

resulted from the

seems

to me,

his endeavor

to

but rather toward the law

banking legislation adopted under

of conditions prevailing in 1933 and even in

1935, the full effects and consequences of such broad author¬

ity

contained in this law

as

were

evidently not envisioned

but it

They have pro¬

seems

I do not disagree with the purpose of the latsr,
to

me

inevitably places

that the law is just not

upon

which should be and

ciple

were

that

ous

workable.

It

examiners the burden of decisions

can

of officers and boards of

only properly be the responsibility
If the

banks.

same

general prin¬

applied to loans to be made by banks, it is obvi¬
utterly impossible condition would result.

an

Soon after the

effective, it

was

Comptroller's circular of Feb. 15 became
evident that rating bureaus could not

ap¬

propriately be the final judges of bond investments for banks.
Any successful investor, and rating bureaus themselves, will
testify that their ratings must of necessity reflect primarily
the

past.

of

are

market prices alone the criterion
bonds

can

be judged.

thought today attacks the safety of

too

high grade bonds, not

on

low, but rather that they

when
a

Nor

the safety of

which

other

can't legislate good times.

the other hand,

few

a

small part of

even a

reason

Indeed, the time

grade securities, and

overwhelming ownership

Success in this would far transcend any other

to stabilize."

until only

disposed, the time is fast passing

so

be considered for

bond investments.

s

by Congress.

this Nation to lead the
on

were

a

present domestic and international trade diffi¬
seems

gold it is incumbent

and

work out

conjunction with the other principal nations of the
This is not

world.

to

On account of its bearing upon foreign

in law and in fact.

taken in

are

can

fulfill the mandate of the law,

still fixed

press

plan

bonds decreases.

to

in the

dency to advance rapidly, this uncertainty will be further

are

of these

many

because the risks increase

and

unwilling to purchase long-term bonds,

otherwise lend for long periods, due to

course,

because of the decreasing returns

dollars

pay

bound to fluctuate

Indeed, markets tend to discount such trends.
no

have profita'

rated triple A and only due to the depression

has

and the credit structure of the country.

fluctuations in the value of commodities have

caused great crises.

years

ing bond investments contained in Section 5136, U.S.R.S.,

particularly important indicators at the

are

Of

ago

bank

destroyed by laws which hamper the free action qf

economic forces.

during the past three

part of their funds in the field of low-priced

a

For those who

are

the value of two of these indicators is reduced

The

prosperity where they need to see it for

see

dropped back into lower classifications.

*"

At present

day

of their argument.

purpose

a

can

greatly reduce the hazards of

politicians or

stump orators have any devices at their control for making it so?

when this

100% successful in properly timing

purchases and sales.

and thrift of its population, does any sane man suppose that

to avoid future loss.

or

future headache.

many a

banker

time when the

profitable procedure is to stand aside, to

To buy more bonds at a less rate to
cause

that

say

his investment committee

on

There

forego current income for future gain
to

But I dare

one way—up.

its

If this country* with

country prosperous."

"making the

population, its resources, is not prosperous by the intelligence, industry

this has worked well, for the

years

for

grams

a

the

are

are

and

priced

And yet

necessity of making

given issue of corporate bonds

under the terms of the Act and
issued under it,

that they

priced too high.

bank examiner is faced with the

decision with respect to a

our government

score

by

A large school

regulations which have been

he naturally is influenced by both the rat¬

ing bureaus' appraisals and the price of the bonds in the
market, generally interpreting a low price as an indication
that

a

bond lacks in

quality.

Having reached the conslu-

46

BANKERS'

CONVENTION.

sion that the bond is therefore speculative and not eligible,*
he must report the bond under the caption of "bonds un-

government

lawfully acquired."

banks.

No honest board of directors

welcomes the classification
acts

or

of bank officers

group

implication of

or

has been released in

is little wonder there is such general

law.

I

satisfied

am

that

the

complaint

Not
will
the deposits which they created be «withdrawn from the

There

cost of borrowing down.

other

imposed with the

man,

responsibilities of that office, would find it difficult to define

the

"investment

term

with

securities"

advance.

satisfaction to all concerned than he has done.
There is another

This is bound to exercise a re-

The

is true of

same

present vast holding of

our

gold, which continues to increase.

why I find myself in disagreement

reason

their command to keep the

power at

use every

straining influence on'other tendencies for interest rates to

greater

any

retired by actual payment

It is characteristic of governments under such circumstances to

this Act.

,

are

banks.

Comptroller used his best

judgment in promulgating the regulations he has issued under
I also think any

deposits in our

As long as banks continue to hold the government

until the bonds themselves

to this

as

as

remain in the banking system and will press for use.

being "unlawful" where they have exercised reasonable

precaution and followed their best sound judgment.

vast amount of

a

today

appears

obligations which created these credits, these deposits will

of their

any

banking system

our

credit, which

But if for

heavy withdrawl of foreign gold should

with Section 5136 of the Banking Act as it stands today,

mists

It

any reason a

most econo-

occur,

could happen to us.

offends

fundamental

a

principle of

constitutional

our

form of government; namely, it transfers to an administrative officer

It is

one

of the best things which

of much discussion, not only in banking circles but by the

belief

my

this would likely be

The holdings of government bonds by banks is a subject

charged with the duty of enforcing the law the

right reserved to Congress to make laws.

agree

public at large.

Not infrequently the issues presented by

that the bankers could well direct their particular efforts to

government expenditures beyond current income are con-

getting the Act itself

fused with the

so

modified

leave the responsibility

as

to make it workable and

where it belongs—with

the banks

themselves.

Right here let

The other powers of the Comptroller, the Federal Reserve

eral

Board and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Board

sufficiently broad,

are

could certainly be made

or

so,

indulged in which

tors, such

analysis,

cases

"the

the soundness of

so

of U.

responsibility

consider for

us

knew

a

terest rate, we

summarily.
for

In final

maintaining

moment the
causes

the

high

investments

As far

manage-

subject of interest.

If

in

would be in much better position to judge

prices/

bonds.

were

would

no

rate

present
true

rapidly than it

more

to

The

If this

as a

was

even

at present low levels.

enterprise.

that

of its

no

recorded instance where the

agencies has directly exercised

the banks

as a

whole

or upon any

Certainly

as a

bank

7% allot-

a

It probably can be justly claimed, how-

result of the policies and programs adopted by

that this has brought about

recovery,

a

condition where

banks, by force of necessity of keeping their funds employed
at

But

a

minimum risk, have had to turn to the government

bond market.

Up to this time I believe that, irrespective of

capital beyond the needs

Until within the past few months

at

be found.

any

upon

par

nearly riskless

are as

the Government in its efforts to set in motion the forces of

not

capital accumulating

needed to extend enterprise, it

not the result of accumulations of

of

borrowers,

favors

result of

or

this contention.

present low interest rates tructure is

our

as can

that they

reason

particular to buy its securities.

ever,

doubt be advantageous and would lend confidence

long-term commitments

it is evident that

Banks bought these bonds

ment on subscriptions to the last Treasury offering belies

This

applies especially to government bonds and other so-called
money

banks because of their present holdings

I know there is

as

coercion

any

the fluctuations of the in-

what might reasonably be expected as to bond

lenders.

our

Government bonds.

S.

Government

about what

more

public

maturity and for the

with

ment of individual banks."

Let

continuing Fed-

a

indiscriminate

countenance

because they had confidence they would be repaid at

standards of quality for bank assets rests upon

we

do I

apt to result in loss to the deposi-

be

real

I do not condone

me say

nor

dealt

are

can

deficit,

spending, but I seriously doubt the wisdom of impugning

that if in any particular case investment practices or policies
are

question of the fundamental soundness of the

credit of the United States of America,

opinions

as

personal

our

to the proprieties of the use to which large por-

all

tions of these funds have been put, the banks of this Nation

know that production decreased for the greater part of the

have been justified in their investment in government bonds,

past decade.

We

are

we

all equally well aware that during the

past several years capital has been consumed at

a

rate

In appraising the risks from this point forward
it is

more

rapid than it has been accumulated.
One

our

only conclude, therefore, that the present low

can

interest rate is the result of the large amount of credit
ated

by government borrowing.

fluctuation

It

have experienced does not

as

correspond to the
produce this rate

we

of interest.

If this be true, then the effects of it are not

subject

congratulation.

for

than that

rate

now

not to the bankers

try

as a

now a

whole:

or

real benefit,

just

It would give tone to the
It would be

depositors who have

It

vital

prospects

seen

quartered during the past four

their inter-

seems

est

been

force

can

proven.

well

lose

of

that

will

we

harnessed.

Whether

this

Somewhat dependent upon how

course

your

see

For my part,

it

seems

to

me

continued low interest rates for




are

bright

as

a

dollar

on

am

as

great

corporation

certain: First, that

you answer

that

corollary questions,

time to

come.

There

no

depositor will

the government bonds held by
-

our

banks

,

more to worry

about

and value of their other bond

holdings, which in the aggregate for all reporting

banks

amount to approximately 50% of their total bond invest-

natural

the likelihood is in favor of
some

our resources,

or

those of the United States of

Second, that bankers have infinitely

early

an

viewpoint with respect to the

of the bond market and its

see

bankers and citizens to

other customer, firm

today.

Never before in history has inter-

kept harnessed and under control remains to be

question will depend
future

any

with respect to the Soundness

unlikely, however,

so

be

would to

Of two things I

And

years.

concern.

change in interest rates.

as

we

sound fiscal

America.

banking, in which the entire Nation found in April, 1933,
a

duty

a

whose real worth cannot be seriously questioned and whose

market,

last, but not least, it would greatly reduce the dangers
it had

our

resources

upon to meet

To the extent that

continued support, consistent with

as we

benefit to small

money

a

our

its

or conserve

again be called

is being made in the direction of

policy, I conceive it is

a

lend

a

may

great national emergency.

higher

contrary,
prove a

a

against the time that it

progress

creditor class alone, but to the coun-

nor

dull and lifeless affair.

halved

the

prevailing would

investors and savings
est

On

bankers,

largest and strongest customer, to set its house in order,

policy will be to waste its substance

ere-

normal action of the forces which should

as

task to consider the progress which is made by this,

to balance its budget, and for us to determine whether its

clear that the

seems

our

ments.
-

As to market fluctuations, occasioned by changes of interest rates and other investment hazards, it is obvious sound

banking requires the establishment of
establish

reserves

observation

that

against
banks,

other

reserves

just

contingencies.

both large

recognize the necessity of doing this,

and small,
even

It

as

is

we

my

generally

though it results

47

NATIONAL BANK DIVISION.
in serious reductions to their

earnings, and

In closing,

remote.

as

alreadyjjreatly reduced current

though they

even

may

regard this contingency

I would like Jo^quote once more

Sumner, who in 1879 listed the^qualities^for a great

from

President

of

C.

W.

of

Enactment

of

session

first

such

vital

banking

Executive
Kansas City,

Allendoerfer,

Vice-President First National Bank,
Mo.
legislation

was

as

by the

approved

Congress was followed necessarily by a

the Seventy-fourth

Division's

period of adjustment during the early part of the National Bank

just closed.
New requirements had been laid down for National bank
and new interpretations were being formulated.
These brought

year

conduct,
'

comments which
and: rulings had
to be drawn by the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System,
by the directors of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and by the
Comptroller of the Currency.
They required study, and fortunately, by
invitation, representatives of the division, together with representatives
of other branches of the American Bankers Association, were permitted
sit

to

in

careful

received

and

of

discussion

a

banks

member

from

inquiries

deserves

and

provoked

consideration.

those

of

most

numerous

Regulations

in tentative form, to

regulations,

effect, and offer suggestions for their improvement.

consider their practical

inaugurated by
study the

Particularly significant and commendable is the practice
officials

those

thus

of

bankers .to

representative

permitting

properly so called—

"those of the practical man,

as

Certainly these^are^neededjn the conduct of a

energy."
bank's bond

account

to-day.

Reports-National Bank Division

Committee / OfficersAddress

banker

sagacity, good judgment, prudence, boldness and

obviously the work of the Congress is vital to members of the division,
which follows carefully and constantly all proposals to change the laws
affecting National banks.
However, all other banks, in a greater or
lesser degree, also feel the weight of Federal statutes.
In the last session
of Congress a great many of the bills which concerned National banks—
especially those which affected them only indirectly—touched also all
other banks and, therefore, became the responsibility of the parent body—
the American Bankers Association.
That did! not mean that the National
Bank

took

Division

its

relaxed

never

the parent

with

active

part

They

no

were

efforts.

in

work.

the

it
cooperation
full measure of hearty
On the

contrary,

put forth continuously in

body, to which the division gave a

support.
But there

related

National

to

These

alone.

banks

Congress some bills which

session of

the last

offered in

were

greater number than

in

were

in

Some of
impressed
Congress sufficiently to advance it to any point even near the stage of
final enactment.
Unfortunately, too, some bills which were recognized
as
proper measures failed of enactment.
I am referring now especially to
and embraced a variety of purposes.
sunported by sound reasoning, and no such bill

other recent

any

them

not

were

session,

recommendations made by the

several

of

the

One

of

them

Comptroller of the Currency.
6204 of the
certain that National

preliminary drafts of the several regulations, and later to join in discussion
of them with a view to determining their workability from the standpoint

Revised Statutes of the United States so as to make it

of

banks could declare dividends more

the
It

operator

as

believed

is

well

that

the supervisor.

as

of

some

made

recommendations

the

in

those

con¬

tion

against.

rency

Though it was not practicable, it is regrettable that all of the argu¬
and all of the reasoning back of each regulation considered cannot

ments

be

They would show how, in many instances, understanding
and that proposals which at first may seem strange

published.

dissolves

criticism,

ill-advised

or

nition

frequently

their

of

assume

in the light of recog¬

different aspect

a

render them

changing aims,

is carried

it

debt

in

is

asset

an

as

secures

made by the Comptroller of the Cur¬

committee consideration, but were laid aside
finally due largely to the lateness of their introduction, and to a desire
to
enact only such measures
as were considered immediately
necessary.
However, the reasons urged! in support of these bills still are convincing,
and likely the measures will be presented again when the next Congress
received Congressional

Jan. 5, 1937.

convenes,

Social Security

more

the

Following

of

much

Federal Social Security Act there was
whether National banks were subject thereto.
States" were exempted from the pro¬

of

passage

the

in the question

interest

the

of

"Instrumentalities

United

had decided that National banks

visions of the Act and the Supreme Court
Manual

The

of Lending Powers

following the passage of such a comprehensive law as the Banking
1935, is bound to be somewhat confusing for a time and difficult

ately

of

Act

would

held

be

to

made as to whether these court decisions
provisions of the Social Security Act.

been

ruling had

government

apply

the

to

and in proper physical relation to the
statutes they
elaborate.
To alleviate this condition the National Bank
Division has prepared a manual of powers and restrictions governing loans
and investments by National banks.
This document contains the pertinent
sections from the various laws, andi carries also the adjunctive regulations

Recently the Internal Revenue Bureau has

In addition, much explana¬
has been provided.
Care has been employed to avoid
duplication of publications already In existence.
It is felt that this manual will be a helpful accessory to the equipment

be

National bank.
It is confined to the two
banking functions mentioned above.
It is usable with dispatch.
It is as
compact as its nature will permit without an abridgment destructive of
its purposes.
Grateful acknowledgment is made to the office of the
General Counsel of the American Bankers Association for the great assist¬
ance
rendered in the preparation of this manual.
It has just come from

tection

the press,

mittee

to

keep

issued

form

by the several supervisory authorities.

comment

tory

of

quick-reference

in

lending officer

every

and

has been mailed to each National bank.

copy

a

of a

Real
The
real

division

since

passage

broad

Some

would

it

figures

are

be

desirable to make

available

bearing

upon

a

study of

such

loans

of the Banking Act of 1935, but the areas covered are not
Clear

it

is

that

much

diversification to establish defi¬
real

greater

estate

lending

now

is

possible, just as the McFadden Act of 1927 broadened this privilege mod¬
erately after heated debate upon the desirability of so doing.
The expan¬
sion since the liberalized law became
effective last year has not been

and perhaps could not be attributed to the change in
However, the broadened powers, supplemented by the various

the statute.

factors intended
a

A

to encourage

such borrowing and such lending,

may

result

volume.

larger

committee

estate loans in
the

of

The

division

has

made

subject to be made at this convention

a

study of the history of real

by the committee Chairman.

of Non-Cash Items

frequently recurring discussion of the propriety of the handling of
non-cash
collection
items by Federal
Reserve banks is prompting the
just now to give it

decision

Federal

is the

Reserve

including
determine

some

that

fact

a

consideration.

secial

Partially responsible for

committee of

the Presidents

of the

banks is making a

study of the operations of their banks
departments.
The division seeks to
whether it is the opinion of the members of the division that a
those

of

the

collection

change of practice should be made in view of past experience and present
conditions.

possible to

Aided

by

the

results

suggest a course

all classes of banks.

of

the

earlier

inquiries, it may be
satisfactory to

which will be equitable and

This is the aim of the division.

Federal

State
new

legislation always is

an

Governed by laws

Legislation

important part 6f the National Bank
enacted by the National Congress, and

supervised by officials who receive their authority from that same source,




by the Secretary of this division.

bank

that

for unemployment compensation may

taxes

the States and credit taken by an employer for contribution!

unemployment fund
of

form

been

have

to 90% of his Federal tax.
banks by State authorities would

up

of

threat

National

to

taxation

serious

a

Section

5219,

which

on

we

rely

for pro¬

The problem was thus one which
concerned the Association's Special Committee on Section 5219.
As I have stated, the ruling of the Internal Revenue Bureau had not
been issued at the time of the Executive Council meeting in April, and
unjust local

against

taxation.

during that week a joint session was held of the members of the Executive
Committee of the National Bank Division and the members of the Com¬
Section

on

It

5219.

was

that the Social Security Board!

reported

employees of National banks should receive
the benefits provided in the Act and correspondingly the taxes should be
of

paid.

the

opinion that the

necessary,

attention

legislation

new

would be

a

Bank

National

close

that

to put National banks under the Act, and President

joint committee composed of representatives of both
Division and the Committee on Section 5219 to give

Fleming appointed
the

therefore,

probable,

appeared

It

proposed, if

the form of

to

such bills which may be submitted to

any

Congress.
Trust
The

ties

may

not examine the trust departments of National

in

the

in

The

Trust

Committee

that

there

is

of the largest National

case

in

official

of

our

most

is

not

bank in each of two States.

division has investigated
the Federal

conflict with

some

although

State

banks, unless the

question desires to submit voluntarily to such an
Nevertheless, the right to examine was demanded by State

bank

authorities

the

Departments

Banking Act of 1935 provides in effect that State banking authori¬

particular

the

cases

carefully and found

Statute in

authority

is

the laws

merely

in eight

and

permissive

required to make the examination.

Harmonizing of State laws with Federal statutes is expected during the
of Legislatures,

sessions

next

not considered necessary,

We

States

and

and action by the division

on

the subject is

though it is prepared to be helpful if called' upon.

concerned

much

are

United

the

the

over

the

report

Speaker of

submitted to the President of

the

House

of Representatives

on

representing
a
part of its Study of Protective and Reorganization Committees, and
dealing specifically with Trustees Under Indentures.
If the recommenda¬
tions of that report become law, they might result in the complete segrega¬
tion of trust departments from commercial banks, which would be harmful
June

to

Federal

Division's work.

a

A

to

ruled "that neither the banks
under Titles YIII

taxes imposed

the

to

of the full text of that ruling was mailed

A copy

contemplates

levied by

States,

The

division

Act

subject

are

that Act."

National

each

to

employees

of

examination.
our

National banks, which study is the basis for an address on

Collection

this

IX

considerable,

very

in

their

was

Loans

enough nor do they present enough

trends.

nite

that

felt, too,

loans.

estate

Estate

nor

and

At the time of the meeting

Bankers Association in April no

Council of the American

Executive

the

of

the United States."

"instrumentalities of

are

governing National banks, especially immedi¬

of regulations

number

the association or unlesa

the books of

on

collection."

of

process

other recommendations

and

These

well

thereto

collateral

the

which

to modifications which,

yield readily

often

and

purposes,

adaptable to the wide variety
practices and communities to which they will apply.
The policy of
open and free
discussions obviously is so constructive that adherence to
it by all regulatory authorities is earnestly hoped for.

without

unless

associa¬

for a period of six months,
such debt in the amount at

is past due and unpaid:

which interest

on

such

Another

frequently than semi-annually.

proposals would define bad debts to mean "any debt due an

of his

discussion, brought
changes in language which preserved the ends sought by the super¬
visory boards without disturbing practices admittedly proper.
Generally
speaking, the division feels that the regulations as promulgated are
acceptable and, for the most part, they are not seriously complained
being subjected to searching study and

after

ferences,

about

and clarify Sections 5199 and

amend

would

18,

banks

and

trust

powers,

way

possible

functions

by

1936,

of

the

business

and

alike.

and Exchange Commission,

Some

1,578

National

banks

are

exercising

the National Bank Division is glad to cooperate in any

with
all

the

banks.

bilities for harm in

Securities

Trust
The

Division,
Trust

the report of

whose

Division

the SEC.

is

includes

the

trust

fully alive to

field

the

possl-"

48

BANKERS' CONVENTION.
Federal

The

interest

of

loaning

Loan

in

subject

the permanent program

in

Agencies

the

of

by Federal

competition

Orleans

but

was expressed on
the program of the division meeting
through an admirable address by Wood Netherland.
Dur¬
ing the year an inquiry into the extent and character of this competition
was
conducted by the Association's
Committee on Banking Studies and,

New

therefore,

has not been pursued

further

by

division

our

central

hard

is

this

A

It

The

slow,

tedious

of

progress

Members

to

the

moderate improvement in banking,

Individually

business
well

revival,

and

accompanied

by

a

general business, precipitated
problems of unusual character which required prompt consideration.
Many

of

them

Federal
of

centered

were

agencies

the

still

division's

exercising

affairs

office

They
and

accessible to

were

availed

were

This

Washington,
services.

of

individual

bureaus, but by
Insurance

D.

They

all

banks,

instrumentalities

National

of

banks.

members

to

the

and

because
in

location

render

not restricted

of

numerous

directing

The

C., enabled it
were

the

of

reason

National

over

such

of

as

capital by

authority

clients

of

in

helpful individual

Nation's

number

greater

the

measure

in the

as

viewpoint of

is

some

of

the

variety of

a

National

Association

banks.

without

to

charge,

by banks of all classes.
service

far

had

the greater

Corporation,

the

do

to

part

Board

practically
led

of it

of

the

into

Governors

all

Federal

Deposit

Federal

the

of

governmental
Reserve

System,

the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and the Treasury
Department.
The close relationship of member banks with these agencies
makes

those

genuine
made

pointed

out

which

the

of

success

benefits.

contacts

numerous

cooperation

work

all banks will

so

It is

too

well

be

known

these

wonderful

Association

contacts

will

find

and

scope
so

this division

for

the

service

spirit

character

they

has

thus

share

may
to

me

of

uniformly

extremely

helpful

if

need

you

these

You have just
the

listened to

report of the principal

a

Bank

Division

interesting year, less spectacular,

an

activities

during the past

perhaps,

than

meeF

to

developments
It

is

exactions,

denied

or

that

true

its

we

or

the emotion which

in

the monetary

not,

the

capital

standard,

a

recent

given

conducted

It

year.

was

the

of

this

I

into

the
on

these

the

of

have

we

and

emergency,

we

the

out

that,

you

the various

steadily

to appraise

ourselves

serious

contention that it

except

factors

which

The retirement
of

recoveries

Depositors accept
in

willingness

little
the

mention

not

or

being able to

such

wove

of

the

of

to

place

their

subordinate

insured

an

in

influences,

a

bank.

Little

formerly

absence
to

or

Without doubt

failures

of

upon

And
to

yet with

banks?

whether

to

as

is

with

connection

is made

all

there

safety

general feeling

established, and

among

of all

upon

income without

Is this because of the

combination

a

Or

sustained

it

is

due

to

of them?

large part of the restored confidence in banks is
the result of the public education campaigns conducted
by bankers' asso¬
ciations and by individual banks in the attempt to "take the
mystery out
of

banking."
to

carry

some

These

in

men

efforts,

education

asked

"Can

farmers of this

why

one;

interest
Club

been

talk"
you

are

simple

explain

employ

task

and

flattered

into

you

in

express

the

for

powers

clear

Banking Act of 1935,

the

of

has

who

one

business

why

and

men

of

cannot

but
It

our

It

the volume

has

the

of

fact

credit

details

of

It is

or

only

not

our

own

it

was

said

standing

of

cannot be

their

increase

of

true

a

their

reserve

help others

the

and

provided

the

reviewing

law

in

clearly

justice

that

of

public

relations.

or

men

are

to

strength

or

requirements

who

doing

present

but

For

events.

had

no

However,

many

under¬

proper

such

it

the

in

weakness.

regulations which
The

first

use

of

have yet

a

volume of

the

always

are

times

of

which

worry

If

I

of

of

group

These

retired

few

a

I

sense

we

are

certain,

the note.

credits which will be

we

only

were

which

of

maturity

than one

more

over

are

right,

making

which

This will require

and

little

a

more

likely to arise
doing this inter¬

more

are

which

loans

good,

are

for payment.

program

later

things

are

port¬

loans

viewpoint,

which

But

our

final payment

extending

longer

of

loans

are

the

at

operations

little

a

hope
to

say

it,

and

money

us

a

which make

against the contingencies

wisdom

easy

of

slow."

be

to

program

be the

no

but

check

frank

a

probably with fixed serial payments.

approach,

financing.

takes

It

mistaken

growth

"good

longer period.

mediate

whatever may

not

am

the

expected

year,

provide

low

interest

but

I will

do

rates

that

nevertheless—it is in

so

make

we

mistakes

the

on.

Resolution Calling for Discontinuance of Handling byFederal Reserve Banks of Certain Non-Cash Col¬

lection Items

presentation of the address before the National

Bank Division of Andrew Price,

President Allendoerfer of

the Division said:
Let

me

brought

at this time that following our next address there

say

willTbe

tnis matter of the resolution with reference to non-cash items

up

collections by the Federal Reserve banks.

Many of

discussion,

so

you are

interested in

please remain and say

what you have to say on that subject.

With

the

conclusion

of

Price's

Mr.

address,

President

Allendoerfer had the following to say:
Those

of you

who have followed the collection system of the

Reserve banks since it
set up

with the idea that

Federal

first inauguarated will remember that it was

was

needed

we

a

par

collection system for checks'on

banks in this country, and while that idea itself met with

Having

opposition,

some

collection department, the Federal Reserve banks began and

a

have continued to handle items which
has been from time to time

some

were

not

subject, which worked for

some

Recently, there have been
sideration.

Members

of

on

banks.

time but which

There

Executive

special committee
was

was apparent

on

that

finally dismissed.

for giving this subject con¬

Committee

were

particularly

and at the spring council meeting, it

biut it

carefully,

over very

a

some new reasons

your

interested in the subject,

checks

expression of opposition to that practice.

The American Bankers Association itself had

that as

a

was gone

National Bank Division

could not say to the Federal Reserve Board, the Board of Governors of

we

the

Federal

Reserve System,

to the Prseidents of the various Federal

or

Reserve banks officially, as representing the division, that National banks
felt

so-and-so

about the collection of non-cash items.

The

only

get an expression from the members of the division—or rather two
would have been by some form or

without

an

accompanying

In order that

a

to

way

ways—•

questionnaire, which seemed impracticable

explanation and discussion, and the other

that it be presented at our

was

division meeting at the annual convention.

resolution may come before one of the divisions of the

American Bankers Association, it is necessary under the constitution and

by-laws that that resolution be placed in the hands of the Secretary of that
division 15

Committee

days before the meeting, that it be submitted to the Executive
of that

division, and if they recommend it, it may then be

presented to the division.
resolution.

All of that has been done with reference to this

The purpose of your President is to get it before you, so that

there may be all of the possible objections heard and all of the
arguments for.
come

to you

Executive

possible

You will realize that in coming to the floor that it does

with the unanimous recommendation of the members of the

Committee

of

the

division.

I

will

ask

Mr.

Mountjoy,

the

Secretary, to read the resolution.

Secretary Mountjoy: Mr. President, the resolution reads
follows:

Resolved, that it is the sentiment of the National Bank Division of the
American Bankers Association that the Federal Reserve banks should dis¬
continue

the

practice

of handling certain

the

by. almost without

a

earnings

have

forced

bankers

to

power

classes of non-cash

collection

now

the

Middle

West

are

particularly

keen

displaying ingenuity in handling the problems

great drought, the American banker is

the

scarcity

of

gross




income.

Perhaps

in

proving ingeniouus
both

The term,

eases

there

in
will

of

meeting
remain

"non-cash collections,"

toward

The

a

solution of the problem.

used in the above resolution is in¬

as

tended to cover in general all items not

payable by

or at a

bank.

following discussion ensued:

President Allendoerfer:

President of

extension

the

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Presidents of the
various Federal Reserve banks, looking

there, that

that in his

collections.

be

special committee, whose duty it shall be to

give further study to this matter, and if in the judgment of said committee

to

ripple, but

a

It is desirable to do so, that it shall present the results of its study to the

words in

about operating problems, and abont the development of services,
of which will produce a little profit.
Just as the farmers

just

hereby authorized to appoint

to

significance has not. escaped the attentive banker.

the

one

I

to be possible to judge properly of

different

to

care

criticism

not

and

has passed

wholesome

a

sincerely and generally studying
only as to underlying tested

are

now,

laws

and

bankers

is

satisfactorily,

more

trends

current

some

body of

as

of

This

pages.

to

us

perception
with

also

Unsatisfactory

of

in

There

display sufficient ability and

who

them the essentials

not

are

appear

or

little

as

clear and understandable language the real

printed

equips

bankers

as

but

demonstrate

in

economics

business

theories,

its

which

season

no

do thus and so rn banking is not only desirable, but
though it will require that some of us do some reviewing

minds

sharpens
years

livestock.

condition

any

If

as

in

liquidated through

unless

we

even

own

thing.

neighbors in

our

why

essential,
in

or

Items, and that the incoming President of the National Bank Division is

give to

reasons

shrinkage

great

presented

well

in the character of our

automatically through the seasonal production

grain

indicate

classified

would

short

a

so,

you.

the

more

in mind.

To

be

will

account

taking place
a

the

and

investment

and

Rotary

"just
If

sympathize with
fashion

pay

the

or

requirements?

orderly

one

I

agreeing to make

can

and

if

you

the

Commerce

of

reserve

control

even

will

the effect of public

Are

charges;

Chamber

increased

of

understanding

upon

to

definitely

make this class of loan and not that

can

service

student of banking, I

to

.better

a

convincingly

the

Has

meaning

theory of the
the

to

around

real

a

I

deposits?"

the

on

business

of

community why I

have

I

on

systematically,

This leads to speculation
upon
bankers themselves.

campaigns

himself,

continued

other lines

principles of banking.

few.

too

believed to have

banks,

interest

of it, and evincing

income

was

banks

of

low rate

very

interest

query

a

seldom

Commercial

safely.

higher

processes

one

stock

pay no
a

purpose

funds

created when the insurance fund

by the almost-total
other

changees

far-reaching changes

preferred

and

this reduction

particular bank is insured.

a

of security

thus

proceeded

now

by depositors of the FDIC unless it is in

liquidation

few

a

them with

has

historically,

obviously realizing the true

complaint,

satisfaction
this

ready

these

to

well, yielded to the

as

earnings.
guided by the statutory restrictions and regulations,
demand deposits, and find it possible to allow only
time money.

is

loan

the

the practice has become almost universal.

In support of the

banking fabric.

are

that subject and we will want a full

permanently.

us

opportunity

able

to

during

seen

adjust

are

but bank customers

remind

may

hears mention of

goes

period.

recovery

experiencing the tenseness

assurance.

adjustment.

way,

of

understanding and

of

Not only the banks,

long

All

in retrospect,

better

greater degree

of

banking or a business crisis, a change
sharp revision of the banking laws, including
the purchase by the government of large sums

passing

study

a

much

the

devoid

means

investment

there

in

remain

income

of

a

of private banks.

with

for

with

in

moment,

no

and the recollection of them will abide with

years,

However,

by

was

position

the

for

accompany

the insurance of deposits or
of

year

important

an

are

the

initiated

have been

never

source

some¬

ing been cast by fate into this most fascinating age, in which the business
of
banking continues to intrigue those who delve into its science or
undertake

main

its

others, but, hav¬

some

nearly

will

now

Prior to the

of the National

name

the

changes

that

goods,

under

all

are

folios

thing done in Washington.
in

will not

be retired

of

the

are

in

speak at length

Secretary, Edgar Mountjoy.
He has
bureaus, and every member of the

our

with

that

Its

splendid

displayed

informed and

to

it, but that work is done by

on

have

agencies

possible.

the

and

necessary,

those

will

that

industry to warrant the borrowing and the loaning of working capital.

a

with

What

certain

marketing

individuals

believe

banking

program.

credits which

Division Aids

to

of

concern

accounts.
on

practices which would

necessity.

it

loans?

such.

as

from

But

agencies

in

division

our

one

own

Ladies and gentlemen, there are some uncertain

are not

definite.

of the Federal

The explanation of that is this: the

Reserve banks told

bank they were handling

There

me

that he had found

64 different kinds of non-cash

are

perhaps some additional kinds in some of the other

Federal Reserve banks.

For example, non-cash collections in the definition

of the Federal Reserve banks include checks which have

once

been protested.

It includes drafts against savings account, with savings pass books attached,
and things of that kind.
the resolution
we

pass

or

So it is not the thought of the man who presented

of the Executive Committee that we would be against—if

this resolution—the continuance of handling of

any

kind of

non-

The explanation at the end of the resolution, and made part

cash items.

of it, indicates that it means the

handling of items which

drawn on

are not

The resolution is before you.

move

Smith

G.

Do I hear

any

motion for its adoption?

(Bank of America, San Francisco): Mr. President, I

motion

was

seconded by H. E. Cook

(Second National Bank,

President Allendoerfer: The motion to adopt is now before you, and we

as

I will recognize Melvin Rouff of Houston, Texas,

ready for discussion.

who has given this matter much thought and who has been

one

in the

I will ask Mr. Rouff to present the

Committee and heard its discussion.

Mr. Rouff: I would like to speak briefly in favor of this resolution which

Bank

Division.

approval of the Executive Committee of the National

Its submission

is/most timely.

now

Particularly is it

timely in that a committee appointed by the Federal Reserve Board is now

completing

a

Federal

of the

survey

Reserve

banks'

activities

directed

September

Reserve

Federal

months of the current year

Bulletin

on

the first six

only two of the 12 banks, St. Louis and Dallas,

The

Further, a review of the dis¬

remaining 10 failed to earn their dividends.
cussions

disclosed that

of dividends for the first half of this year.

had net earnings in excess

time of the passage of the Federal

the floor of Congress at the

Reserve Act does not reveal that it was the intent or the purpose that the
Reserve banks should handle

Federal

The term

Include bonds

please:

or

coupons.

It would not include

benefitting, if
are

you

payable by or at a bank.

bonds

is in¬

It would not

or

coupons?

The handling of these

banks does not benefit their member banks,

please, only corporations, firms, and security dealers,

banks throughout the nation,

penalizing

both large and small.

The

handling of non-cash collections by the Federal Reserve banks is probably
of less direct benefit to member banks than any of the

and the cost to the System is very large.
tions is
now

a

proper

so-called free services,

The handling of non-cash collec¬

function belonging to the commercial banks.

As handled

by the Federal Reserve, it takes from your bank and our bank a revenue

for the handling that

rightfully belongs to the commercial banks.

In conclusion, I am sure you will agree
resolution which

channel.

Allendoerfer:

with

me

that it is wise to pass this

only authorizes the appointment of a special committee

whose duty it shall be to

give further study to the discontinuance of handling

certain non-cash collections.

It is not

a

mandate, but if in the judgment of

the Committee it is desirable to do so, tbey

appreciate comment on this subject by gentle¬
outside of cities in which Federal Reserve banks or their

men

from banks

branches

are

located.

Dunlap C. Clark (The American National Bank, Kalamazoo, Mich.):

passing, in that connection, so far as our contact with the
on these non-cash items is concerned, where those

Federal Reserve bank
come

to use from

handling and

the Federal Reserve, we levy the customary charge

Mr.

Cook:

shall present the results of their

Is there further discussion of this question?

Supporting tnis,

smaller bank, and being fully

Mr. Chairman, from the standpoint of a

convinced as to the reasonableness and the

justice of this reolution, I want to say just this: that we feel in the smaller
banks very much the

need of revenue which would accrue to us by the

handling of non-cash items such as provided for in the thought contained in




for

far as the outgoing items are concerned, we have con¬

so

sistently routed them through our most conveniently located correspondent,
either Chicago, Detroit or New

York.

for the resolution expressing

elimination of

some

If

Is there further discussion of the question?

I think it is understood that we are voting

not, I will call for the question.

the sentiment of this division in favor of the

of the present services of the Federal Reserve

banks with

reference to non-cash collections.

Those in favor of the resolution please signify by raising their bands;

The "Ayes" have it.

opposed.

Report of Committee

on

Nominations—Newly Elected

Officers

In

behalf

of

the

Nominating

Committee,

J.

Cain,

R.

Chairman, presented the following recommendations:
For President:

William F. Augustine, Vice-President National Shawmut

Bank, Boston, Mass.
For Vice-President:
Trust &

Russell G. Smith, Cashier Bank of America National

Savings Association, San Francisco, Calif.

For members of the Executive Committee for a term of three years:

Representing the^econd

Federal Reserve District, W. A. Boyd, President

First National Bank, Ithaca,

N. Y.

Representing the Fifth Federal Reserve District, W.
President Hamilton National Bank, Washington,

J. Waller, Vice-

D. C.

Representing the Seventh Federal Reserve District, Thomas R. Hefty,
President First National Bank,

Representing

the

President National Bank of

'

Madison, Wis.

District,
Commerce, Seattle, Wash.

Twelfth

Federal

Reserve

Andrew

Price,

Respectfully submitted:

study to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.
President Allendoerfer:

The

Is there other discussion of the subject?

President would particularly

collection items.

large users of this free service to the detriment of and

the individual

placed back in the hands of the commercial banks so that

And may I repeat that last sentence, if you

Items by the Federal Reserve

who

non-cash

collection items," as used in the resolution

"non-cash

tended to include only items not

For that reason,

function of the Federal Reserve System.

President Allendoerfer:

toward the reduction of expenses of the Federal Reserve System.
The

which the banks are entitled, and it is

tnat should be

I might say in

arguments which he believes warrant the adoption of the resolution.

has the unanimous

in our own

States, we find that that same thought obtains:

not properly a

President

Bucyrus, Ohio.]

are

State but from many other

might have that revenue and such business as mignt come through that

the adoption of the resolution.

]The

In meeting with the smaller banks, not only

the resolution.

that here is a source of revenue to

banks or payable at banks.

Russell

49

DIVISION.

NATIONAL BANK

J.

R.

Cain,

Vice-President of the

Omaha

National Bank,

Omaha,

Neb., Chairman;
P. B. Doty, President of the First National
W.

E.

McGervey,

[The report

was

Bank of Beaumont, Texas.

Executive Vice-President of the Third National

Bank & Trust Co., Dayton,

Ohio.

duly adopted and the newly elected officers installed.]

BANK

STATE

DIVISION

American Bankers Association
Twentieth Annual Meeting, Held at San Francisco, Calif., Sept. 22, 1936

INDEX TO

STATE

BANK DIVISION

Hciw, by Harry A. Bryant-Page 50

Country Bank Earnings—Why and

What's in the Customer's Mind About Banking, by A. L. M.

52
56

Wiggins
Address of President Fred B. Brady

PROCEEDINGS.

Statement by B. F. Clark, Incident to Mr. Bryant's Address--Page 56
Report of Committee on Public Relations
56
Report of Committee on Resolutions
57
Report of Committee on Nominations
57
—

--

—

Country Bank Earnings—Why and How
By Harry A. Bryant, President Parsons Commercial Bank, Parsons, Kan.
In

discussing

into

it

two

If

attempt

an

made to tell you

were

how country

bank earnings can be made simple, it would

be

undertaking—but

quite

an

then it will be

a

when the "why"

is added,/

The first part of this discus¬

lot easier.

sion will, therefore,

deal with "Why Country Bank Earn¬

has

been

never

bility of earnings for
few

kind of

a

desira¬

the

bank, and in the past

this subject has been foremost in the minds of

years

bankers.

most

argument about

any

any

Particularly

so

the

with

small

of

this

the few individuals
to

country

town
I'll

combat

to

serve

of

ception
bankers,

the

so

Reserve

our

In fact, with the possible ex¬

less.

or

bankers, we are

city

just

It has always been true that a bank, like any other busi¬

be profitable, if it is to stay in business.

ness, must

what is meant by
with

small

a

Now

Not just operating coverage

profitable?

divi¬

margin, but sufficient earnings to pay

we

then

a

now

On

trial

to

they

if

see

bankers

is

To

best

the

if

reason

answer—branch

our

Otherwise,

for

the

To

operated

as

small

that

we

must first oper¬

good

won't survive.

me

and what

there

under

a

is

That
is

the

only

branch

banking.

independent
be

can

Nothing will make

than profits

favorable

more

and,

on

the

to branch

unprofitable banks.
customer

first

past

few

so

it

bank

to

fair

and

and

will

banking

sound,

Any community

service

by

and,

the

token,

same

any

to and

should^ not be served by an unprofitable bank.

going to increase and the

demands

for

new

charters will

the

trial, I do not mean by the supervising authorities alone, but

by the public and by our customers.
see

if

we

can

serve

them

They are watching

properly

as

unit banks.

us

If

not, then they are going to demand better banking service,
and

the

only answer

While

branch

not the

sion, bank earnings play such

an

subject

under

community

past

experience

service.
able

discus¬

ago.

important part in deter¬

eral

to

overbanked

It would
agencies

operate at
And

to

just and

work in

a

me,

country

bank

cannot

movement in that direction.




answer

is

against
was

a

be

in

avail¬

repetition of
a

few

years

that State and

to this end,

that is the real "why"

public, once they realize just what branch

any

can

without banking

as

they

Fed¬

well

profit.

earnings.

and to their communities, would favor

wise

penalty of too many banks that cannot possibly

bank

them

now

proper

harmony

country

to

profitable banks

not

position this country
seem

tration and control of credit, and I do not believe that the

mean

bank

a

seem

Then, when the time comes, facts will be

banking that it seems proper to discuss it briefly from that

banking would

or

substantiate the argument

know the

First of all, branch banking means further concern

whether

operated in the various communities

mining whether or not we are to have nation-wide branch

angle.

It would, therefore,

not.

or

that bankers see that surveys are made that will show from

the

is—branch banking.

banking is

com¬

As business improves, the demand for banking service is

in

And when I say we are on

that
that

support a profitable bank is entitled to

why we, as small unit State bankers, must do a better

job than we have been doing.

and

sound.

by paying for services

formerly furnished without charge.
can

be

continue to be

can

customers have demonstrated

years

reasonable

his

wants

made, whether it will be profitable to operate

strong undercurrent in that direction,

other

banking

munity that cannot support a profitable bank is not entitled

one

single system.

banking, but

be

a

to

is to show the

and that

There is

to

were

we

as

and

operate profitable banks.

are

banking,

"why" of it,

survive?

banking,

we

existence

earnings

must

nothing

the

of

system

justify ourselves

so

don't

we

justify

dual

the

profitable banks.

answer

is

can

we

under

trial, so to speak.

we are on

branch

against

trying to make

bank

second, to be profitable,
In

know it today.
ate

ambition; it has become

an

More than that,

the spot.

unit

than

more

First, for the reason that we as bankers are

necessity.

on

become

between

said

am

more

we

The

sound banker.

It has

way

is

going to continue to operate independent banks,

are

bank

a

than

This has been the ambition

banking

independent banks should serve

as

be

the point I

relationship
If

increase the surplus

account.

occupies?

now

branch

towards

movement

could

more

now

hand,

every

this

communities

our

dends, cover reasonable losses, and still have a balance to

of

of the chain store

manager

community that supports them.

Much

all country

problems are very much the same.

the same relative position in our

assume

operate sound and profitable banks and at the same time

the

50,000

Do we, as

by the chain grocery store.

don't; and if not, then the most effective

say we

banker, and by that I mean the average small town banker
of

the

He has been practically crowded

grocer.

the picture

that

then why permit

to it,

that are working to this end

groups

We all know what has happened to the

independent

of

out

in

towns

or

bring it about?

small

majority of the bankers

country are not favorable

bankers, want to

ings," and the second, "How They Can Be Improved."
There

If this is true, and since a large

subject of this kind it is well to divide

a

parts.

be

If

the

made

of the necessity for

operation

profitable,

of

the

then

elimination, liquidation, consolidation

wise, and then branch banking is

sure

to follow.

average

the
or

only
other¬

Now,

place,
We

how

all

can

after

being

this

be

honest,

accomplished?
banker

a

going to be practical,

are

vidual problem from

tion

:

the

practical

banker operates under

trimmed

had

better

his

start trimming.

After that,

going to do about it, other than

Of

are

many

salaries have

and

bankers

few

a

been reduced.

Now that business is increas¬

banks.

many

Have

visited the neighboring banks of about your same

size to find out how they are handling the various depart¬

their

in

ments

banks?

Short

found that will eliminate

the

other

day,

items

transit

in

our

had

a

cuts

continually

being

lot of unnecessary work.

Just

bank,

own

increased

to

to employ additional

necessary

are

developed

it

methods of handling these items.

conversation with

a

M. A. Limbocker, President of the Citizens National Bank
of

Emporia, Kan., I found that they had

Recordak

transit

The result is,

saver.

instating

it

in

be necessary

that

we

for

department

methods

personal

big time-

a

found

have

equipment

additional

an

and

this

mention

and

to employ any additional help.

of

salary

machines

several

investigated this system and are

operating this modern

the

been using the

department

and had found it entirely satisfactory and

years

of

their

in

system

-

The Expense

Many

other

today,

use

experience

won't

it

is just about half

clerk.

in

are

of

modern

I

and

show

to

what

merely
be

can

After analyzing

creased?

our

problem, why not reverse the usual

where

see

and

how

earnings

be

can

in¬

That is where the practical application comes in.

Bankers that have tried it have found it

can

be done.

How?

First by changing from our old-fashioned methods to mod¬
methods that meet present-day

ern

I

would like to give you

show

what

to

ence

so,

our

I hope

own

of

today

is

that will

thinking about.

will pardon the personal refer¬

you

who is

son,

conditions.

actual happening

an

the modern youth

When I do

ciation,

14 years old.

now

the

it

but

waiting,

with modern times.

bank's

some

for

GMAC,

the

by

It was not done by

territory.

finance

field

are

Determine in
available

is

By this I

business, but I

we

what their

observe

ever

Compare it with the per¬

not suggesting that

am

that any banks, for that matter, go into the

or

going

attention

your

be

to

practical,

investment.

case

why

Second, what

this:

do

not

idle

much

how

money

percentage

pened last winter at the breakfast table
winter

old Ford
it

mornings

we

on

able in each locality.
tal

of

For example, take a bank with capi¬

$100,000, surplus $50,000, and deposits of $1,500,000.

Assuming that 20% to 25% of the deposits would be ample
cash to maintain, that would require

$350,000, leaving about

$1,200,000 for investments; 40% of deposits in bonds would
be

$600,000,

other
that

leaving

investments.
at

least

another $600,000 for
would

It

seem

local

to

believe

$25.0,000 of this $600,000 could be placed in

desirable local loans to
small business

farmers, merchants, individuals and
We would still have $300,000 left,

concerns.

if $200,000 of

this amount could be invested in high-

class finance paper and about $100,000 in amortized
on

a

of

one

modern

will

The

mornings, and

said:

son

answer

"Well, dad, do

I started to tell him that when I
no

was

until

I

had

repeated

boy," and then said:

a

in how you

interested

three

is,

is

the

me

modern

boy of his

a

or

standpoint of both liquidity and earnings for the

average

country bank.
The income could be estimated about

as

follows:

5600,000 bonds at average yield of abount 3% and 3H%
$250,000 local loans, other thaa finance paper and real estate, at average
yield of 6%
?200 000 finance paper, average yield

12%

.

$18,000
15,000
24,000

...

$100,000 loans on real estate, average yield 5%
Service

charges, rents and all miscellaneous
deposits, but not including any recoveries

6,000
charges

$1,500,000

on

8,000

to school, &c.

times about

old

were a

He

"When

I

boy; what I'm

going

car

to

start

this

morning?"
That

The operating costs

sound unimportant

to you.

It

did to

Interest on

deposits

important it seemed.

the

at

me

so

important how things

The

important thing

is the

I thought about it,

car

were

is, how

done

are

30




or

40

It is
years

not
ago.

they being done today;

going to start this morning?

to make a profit this year?

the

And then I began to apply it

banking business, with this conclusion:

12,000
4,000
8,000

Fixed operating charges

$48,000

Estimated earnings available for distribution:
Dividends

$8,000
8,000

...

Surplus
Losses and depreciation;.

6,000

22,000
Gross income--.

This would be

It is at least
can

a

and, in

and

my

Is the bank going

And finally, if not, what

am

I

an

ideal set-up, if it could be accomplished.

goal or an objective, and a good part of it

ments

can

the open road of modern

on

be easily

regulated by sales

increased

the

to

account,

desired

if in

an

times.

A

purchases

temporary income until
be secured

are

to

permit

take

me

amount.

more

we

In

other

position, should

excess

profitable invest¬

their place.

to discuss all the various meth¬

being used to increase local loans,

g/oing to take automobile instalment paper

Suppose

or

judgment, should be maintained only until local

Time does not
that

out

can

be

can

be used for

ods

$70,000

be accomplished if we are willing to move over out of

the old rut

words, the bond

to

tele¬
....

...

about what he had said.
more

water, telephone,
^

Taxes

loans

more

follows:

as

$24,000

Miscellaneous, such as stationery, light, heat,
graph, insurance, &c

first, but after I went down to the bank I got to thinking
The

could be estimated about

Salaries and clerk hire

bond account

may

$70,000

stormy

"Dad, I'm really not interested

got to school when you
in

was

a

matter how cold

it was; that my father did not haul
waited

the old bus

you suppose

Instead of giving him

I had to walk to school,

age

to

On this particular morning the

start this morning?"

loans

real estate, it would seem to be an ideal situation from

those

had been impossible to get our young hopeful hauled

school in his usual luxury.

and

loans

reasonable

This hap¬

sometimes have in Kansas.

had been frozen up for several

car

of

cash, bonds, local loans, real estate loans would be desir¬

Gross earnings

cold

loan

a

overlooked.

individual

each
for

calling to

am

that has been sadly

Since

keeping

of their loans originated in

one

Did you

centage of bank losses.

in

policies

aggressive

Every

Universal

the

Credit Co. to build up loan

percentage of losses has been?

all banks,

you

You would be sur¬

response.

possible

Credit Co. and the Commercial

watchful

"When

slogan,

advertising

borrow from a bank."

prised at the favorable
made

heads in doing it.

use our

we

through the Kansas Bankers Asso¬

year,

adopted

borrow money,

What

about

wrong

the prospect?

have investigated

Nothing, if

last

we

is

What

methods.

we

in letting the public know we are willing

wrong

Kansas,

and

accomplished by seeing what the other fellow is doing.

procedure and

is

principles of sound banking, but by

new

after

make loans?

seemed

find more efficient

or

In

the

that

point where it

a

help

of

portfolios totaling millions of dollars?

the banking business.

of reducing operating costs, after

ways

attitude and change our procedure, not

our

application

What

In

he

change

soliciting loans,

If not,

complain about how hard

ing, additional help will be required in
you ever

the

didn't do that."

then—meaning, that to make money today

way

the fundamental

from

to

few reductions in their expense

a

must

we

I was

"Well, when

say,

we

wasn't practical, and it wasn't being

it

not;

course

done that

Also, that he

bone.

the

didn't do this and

your age we

they have been afraid to move, except

it is to make any money in
There

budget, or at least

a

I have known

to bankers' meetings

go

that

us assume

though they had done all they could

as

do, after they had made
account.

Let

charges are.

operating costs to

who seemed to feel

indi¬

our

See what our

and then face the important ques¬

are,

what his average fixed

has

Since we

should first analyze

we

Can these requirements be met?

knows

of us?

same

earning standpoint.

an

requirements really

to

practical.

expect our customers to be both honest and practical,

why shouldn't they expect the

so

the first

In
be

should

51

BANK DIVISION.

STATE

start from scratch,

as

we

as

an

did, \Vith

so

I

am

example.
no

paper

52

BANKERS'

of this kind

would

and

take

too

set

goal at $200,000.

our

CONVENTION.

We decided it

long and be almost impossible to accumu¬

just when
not

late this amount of paper direct from individual borrowers.

Instead,
and

selected

we

two

approached them
loans.

ment

And

automobile

responsible

dealers

the matter of handling their instal¬

on

I

remember,

responsible

said

dealers.

It

be

the

most

but

careful,

been

the

general

experience

who

has

customer

does

that

has

strayed

away

the

desirable

the lure

of cheap

that

with

will soon find out that he has been fooled and will

money

be

should

we

that it cannot be done.

mean

glad

to

back

come

to

his bank

after

become

has

he

They had been sending their paper to our-of-town finance

disgusted with the red tape, inspection fees and other re¬

companies, but told

us

quirements made by governmental agencies.

their notes

They did say, and justly

had

locally.

they would much prefer to handle

always understood that
the

and

paper,

thought

at the

paper

funny part

did

we

not

of

should

it

it.

want

sirable

did not want that kind of

we

that they

is,

We

so,

to that

up

agreed

time

handle

to

rate and under the some conditions the

same

be just

have

and

gone

Not all

supervision.

country

and

expert advice by all means.

reserve

of

each

on

result

has

this paper

and

car,

been

settle with

that

have

we

since March of this

single note that is delinquent
of

work

involved,

necessary,
than

why

not,

week.

each

once

and do not have

year

much

as

constant

sure;

and

sure;

us

acquired about $75,000

15

as

days.

supervision

for

net

a

a

Lots

absolutely

yield

of

better

12%, without

any

selecting

In

real estate loans for investment it is

new

quite evident

that

additional

only

amortized

loans

should

be

made.

Frankly, I think that is the only kind of real estate loans
should

we

estate loan
tion in the

That

have

ever

that

runs

in

of

place in

"Other

item,

local

in

by.

gone

Any

reduc¬

any

Estate

Owned,"

is

not amortized.

were

the

real

local

various

demand,

communities.

How¬

ever, a

progressive, yet sound policy, will develop new de¬

sirable

loans

in

considerable

agencies

to meet this

to

about

competition

unions

small

make

community.

any

the

There

various

competing with banks.

now

If credit

almost

complaint

salary

and

field

it

taking

loans,

personal

a

loan

be

wise

to

investigate

new

any

thoroughly

before

personal

a

department successfully will be glad to give

their

you

that

matter, this
old

a

have

de¬

new

earnings,

our

have

we

we

In

should not plunge

investigated carefully and

the best and safest method being used by those that
had

experience

in

that

particular

line.

Plenty

of

has been lost in the past by bankers trying to force

money

loans

field before

new

found

rule applies to any

same

customary methods of banking.

anxiety to increase

into

in

times

earnings.

having

of

easy

In reality,

in

money

order

in times like

we

to

are

increase

having

their

now

is

the

supervision.
the

on

bond

decide

small

be

can

normal

should

as

$8,000 for
is

for

not

it

a

fast

as

is

be

done.

these

as

other

so

bond

the

you

avenues

and

the

few

To do

then, they

are

figure.

I

the item of

themselves

up on

that because I

say

expects to pay

bankers that

boarding

tendency to let

a

you

earnings has been placed

The customer

still

are

foolish.

are

for

working
There

these charges as other

earn¬

is to admit that the charges were

so

justified when earnings

lean.

were

If they were justi¬

justified now, and should be continued

means.

You may have

noticed that I have dealt almost entirely

with the earning side

reducing
ing for

of the ledger.

for five

expenses

earnings

our

demand for loans.

to

happen.

be

reduced, but there is

There is

and

sense

creased.

good

I

am

come

back

a

the

at

insure
take

the

care

increased

an

may never

bankers, do something to make

as

no

limit, except the limit of

judgment,

old

which

to

methods,
time

same

of

through

earnings

can

common

be

can

in¬

old-fashioned enough to think there is still

reasonable

a

have been

us

limit to which operating costs

opportunity to make money in
under

Most of

six years, and then just wait¬

or

Well, it has not happened, and

just happen unless we,

and,

ex¬

an

bank with about $1,500,000 in deposits, and

being

nothing

not

from

to reduce

set-up that I have given to

unreasonable

an

ings improve.

an

most

position and to the proportion

be in just

good service, and

may

the

banks have today,

be

to

seem

derived

be

many

service charges and miscellaneous

know

good this

so

developed.

In this ideal

this

fast, and

country bank can¬

average

income to

account, such

its

to

it

more,

any

too

largest investment

The

practical thing would

account

changing

logical and wise to give that part

seem

it

parture from the
our

the

by all

desirable

and

it," won't work

are

good last year might not be

was

portfolio

exist

department

experience.
For

the

cessive

Many banks

Any bank that has operated

step.

of

attention

should employ

That old saying, "Buy a good

Conditions

So it would

fied

very

would.

the bond that
year.

not

loan

it

in¬

sufficient

have

they are in this position, then they

ever

community

However, before branching out in

would

the

is,

answer

your

developed this field and have found it

profitable.

been

all desirable loans.

on

might be advisable to meet such competition.
have

has

governmental

The only

being organized in

are

it

at

of course,

bankers

bond and put it away and forget
if

any commercial bank.

Real

loans and

conditions

on

years

10 years, without

or

no

result of loans that

a

The matter

depend

five

principal, has

well-known

largely

made

if

not

expense.

back,

come

formation to operate a bond account without expert advice,

the paper,

The

For the unde¬

to

too bad.

finance companies were handling it; the dealers to endorse

make all collections, furnish insurance, set up a

want

The bond account, like finance paper, must have constant

we

their

that

ones

the

a

return

losses

the

banking business—

perhaps, but under

a

modern

sound,

policy.

One

that

to

stockholders,

that

as

the

we

go

along,

and

still

will

will
have

something left for that well-known rainy day.

What's in the Customer's Mind About Banking
By A. L. M. Wiggins, President Bank of Hartsville, Hartsville,
I

speak to you today as

a

customer and not

as

a

banker.

The larger part of my experience with banks has been as a
customer.

"What's

In

in

not my

purpose

I

tried

have

undertaking

the

to

Customer's

to present
discover

to

my

the

develop

Mind

the

About

subject

Banking,"

it

of
is

personal views, but instead,
views

and

to

find

the view¬

points of large sections of thought among bank customers
about banks and the banking business.
In

a

representative capacity,

and

not

as

an

? Mind

About

Banking."

For

convenience

speaking, this composite customer will address
first person:




you

in

in

the

opportunity of speaking directly to the bankers.

opportunity is
affairs.

our

We

advertising, in
tacts,

an

an

have

evidence of your interest in

a

within

noted

on

changed emphasis

with

us.

recent

Formerly,

your part
on

your

your

recent years you are

As

functions
a

of

in

us

in

our

emphasizing more and

banks

and

result of this changing

the

service

emphasis

and
your
con¬

We have

us.

part in your rela¬

efforts

largely toward soliciting the deposits of

ice

years

public speeches, and in personal

your

increasing interest

noted

tionship

Customer Speaks

customers of the banks of the United States, wel¬

as

this

come

The

also

therefore,

individual, knay I present this brief study of "What's in the
Customer's

The

We,

S. C.

were

funds.
more

spirit
your

directed
Within
the

serv¬

of bankers.

customers,

discovering

are

the

be

may

somewhat

resent an

should

a

and

banking functions

implication that

scorn

on

cies,

well

as

has

efforts to inform the public

oppose

between

stood

If there be

of

Nation

this

methods and poli¬

one

realize

banking
To

welfare.

today

that the people

to the fact

as

the

with such a viewpoint,

among you

before the extent to

never

banking services affect their

policies and

become bank

increasing extent we have

an

which

and

public

banking

the

he himself needs to be educated

which

banker may

a

attempt to dispel the mystery

any

as

always

banks.

Such

of building customer

any program

real functions of banks, their

the

services, who

as

banking institution

a

of its customers.

servant

public goodwill and

to

as

be

look with

also

there

The

the subject

evidence within

i

the

on

ofi improving customer relationship is

Losses

to

logically

depositors during

depositors'

demand for greater safety
losses

Although

funds.

ending in 1933

decade

the

resulted in a general

depositors

all

to

deposits,

extent are small

and to that
in

sustained

other

most

compared with

as

invest¬

business

of

forms

ment, it is also true that individual losses have been high,
in

tors, we have
do

to

to

disastrous

safety

greater
united in

are

for

individualistic

and

safety

for

Many

American banking

the

than

the decade ending

deposits

safety

provided in

system

in 1933.

safety

advantages

of

ment

Federal

centralized

for

governmental

large branch banking systems with adequate capi¬

tal, with trained and efficient personnel which they claim
banks cannot command.

unit

Sound Condition

in

the

provided

banking

systems

banks

maximum of safety to depositors.

a

of

one

laws,

in

changes

both

that will correct the defects which

to

An

Others have

of

dom

State

and

to

is almost as large as

We question the wis¬

and with the end not yet in sight.
Should Speak

Bankers

with

newspaper

is

of

accounts

banking

what the banker says or

with

and

matters,

principal source of

Our

advertisements.

banking comes

and employees,

bank officers

with

contacts

result of

a

informa¬

From the

what he writes.

plaform and in the press have come criticisms and charges

and bankers,

against banks

obviously without justi¬

some

others having a

fication, but

degree of convincing plausi¬

For the most part, bankers have pursued a policy

bility.

Such

silence.

policy

a

midst of depression,

but

should

bankers

we

have been

may

proper

in the

believe that the time has arrived

public

the

inform

and

advise the

on

these questions on which they are best qualified

speak.

The press, which on the whole genuinely seeks

public

facts, is often frustrated in its efforts to discover the
about

banking through

the silence

of the

only one

con¬

has

As

banker.

facts—the

the

your

customers,

we

recom¬

have been delighted at the

growth of a new attitude that is

growing among bankers, that of giving the public the

fast
take

that

amount

Much of what we think about banks and

the

Government itself should under¬

the Federal

reveal that funds have been loaned

an

further increase of these loans in the face of the

a

six years,

Federal,

demning the entire system of chartered banks and

by banks

requirements of sound banking

continuing operating deficits of this customer for the past

who

mending that

safety of de¬

of us have a

other customers.

in

all the loans to all

the experience of recent

voice has been heard

occasional

fundamental

the

customer

one

truth

revealed/

years

and for the

However, many

public interests

stockholders.

bank statements

when

to

recommended

the whole the

feeling of apprehension at the general violation
of

for a

have been

they

being soundly administered today and with due

are

have

that

*

We believe that on

century.

a

in which

condition

soundest

quarter of

when

branch

of

examples

as

be

give all we ask.

The branch bank^

ing systems of Canada and of England have been pointed
out

be provided, the American system

We believe that the banks in the United States are today

of
that small

to

pro¬

Others have advocated the develop¬

regulation and control.

ready

are

we

However, we believe that the

service preserved and that adjustments can

made which will

Some

and have

banks

unified system of

a

Nation,

American

the

of

require may

we

of banking

formal

that demand have been proposed.

answers to

suggested

claimed

banking system unresponsive to the vigorous

means a

development

losses in

with scien¬

If maximum

toll is taken.

a

progressive

recognize that

We

people.

greater degree

a

unwilling ' to

are

people, a system that will not ade¬

forego that degree of safety.

the

in

price we

one

and economic advances,

tific

tion
have

is

>

safety in any-

line represent a price for progress, that

every

as

of

of the American

needs

banks propose

the

our

demand

a

As deposi¬

proportions.

right to know what

the

provide
We

future.

of

cases

some

form of deposit insurance.

some

quately serve the peculiar needs of a dynamic,

positors and

during the recent depression amount to less than 2% of all

and

there

system,

regard for the

Losses to Depositors

funds, 'We

That price is a banking system that is foreign to the

pay.

acceptance of the de¬

itself of the general

sirability of the new program, and it is in the direction of

losses

continuation of

a

banking

bankers associa¬

of

part

furthering that program that we address ourselves.

for

on

banking

the - present

that

provid®s>sj4ety for the depositors'

4
emphasis

greater
on

evidence

unquestioned
will

spite of our concern over the factor of

In

conscious.

tions

is

system
insist

who question the advisa¬

some among you

emphasizing

of

bility

to

well.

welfare as

public

There

banks is

of

function

entire

the

that

only the bank customer and the stockholders, but

not

serve

53

BANK DIVISION,

STATE

perform the banking service of the Nation.

facts, a policy of presenting the true banking picture.

Deposit Insurance
Government

posits

by

setting up

understand
the

tions

and

a

There

demand for safety

system of
for

bankers

unsound

Some

insurance

question

deposit
the

of

insurance.

most

part

de¬
We

condemn

principle, although

a

your

an

admit that

some

emergency

or

temporary

customers are satisfied
our

answers

that

demand for safety.

Others

some

future time

develop to the

same extent

during the period ending in 1933.

sound and well-managed

We

recog¬

banking system needs

insurance, and that it is equally true that if banks

sufficiently

tered,

this

adequacy of the insurance if banking fatali¬

at

that they did
that

of

system

the

ties should

nize

in

have been desirable as

measure.

not

the

that

the

deposit insurance plan as unfair to individual institu¬

it may

no

has answered

insurance

capitalized
will

not

and are not

adequately

soundly

meet

the

are

adminis¬
situation.

On the whole subject, our minds are open and we are ready
to

be convinced

as

present

banking

should

be utilized.

to

changes that may be

system




or

that

some

needed in

different

the

system

However, until over a period of years,

whose attitude is that a bank is

affairs

its

that

feel that it is un¬

be some among you who

may

wise to inform the customers about the

concerns

are

a

of

operations of banks,

private corporation and
the

stockholders,

pri¬

marily, and that so long as the stockholders are satisfied,
the

public may be disregarded.

only

say

make

that

profits

so

for

long as
your

you

To such a banker, we can
are

using our deposits

stockholders,

just

so

to

long do we

demand the right to have full information about the opera¬
tions
that

of

your

when

we

security from

bank.

Your attention

is called to the fact

borrow money from you, you
us

than

you

you,

by means of our deposits.

that

in

many cases

your

require greater

give when we lend money to

Do not overlook the fact

liability to depositors is covered

by a ratio of current assets of not more than to one, and
of total assets of 1.05 or 1.1 to 1.
a

show in
so

As depositors,

we

exercise

greater faith in your institutions than as borrowers you
us.

And of this viewpoint, we have no complaint

long as your institution is soundly administered

basic policy

on

the

that the interests of the depositors come first.

54
It

BANKERS' CONVENTION.
to

seems

more

us

reasonable request

a

complete information

about

bank that heretofore you have given.
ments

mean

little,

very

nothing at all.

and

We want

to

operations of

Your published state¬

Of what do your investments

stockholders
stake

know

a

ened

but in

things,

much

as

Your
as

our

entitled to

we are

revealing report at least

a

of the operations of the institution that holds

year

funds.

our

these

consist?

depositors is many times larger than that of the

as

stockholders,
once

behind

What is the investmetn policy or loan policy

of the bank?

Many banks

policy

already pursuing this enlight¬

are

and customers

generally

expecting other

are

banks to fall in line.
In

the

ployees,

customer.

have noted
This

In years

is

officers

particularly

em¬

passive attitude

a

but in many cases were unreceptive

and made the prospective borrower feel that he was asking
a

favor, and that in applying for

self in

inferior position.

an

loan he had placed him¬

a

Fortunately, such

the part of bankers is becoming

on

customer

mutually

shall do business,

he

profitable

business

will

find

attitude toward

that

banking is personal contacts between bank¬

customers.

is

Many bankers in their personal rela¬

with customers and

inconsistent

ments.

with

Advertising

printed matter

the public

their

through

published

own

the

pursue

newspaper

advertise¬
through

or

by radio is effective in telling

or

policy

a

story

a

but at best it is merely a promise that
requires fulfilment

by

individual.

an

bank officer.

That individual is the bank employee or

No

tising may be
the

matter

nor

how attractive

the

bank's adver¬

arresting the appeal, it must have

now

backing of personal interest, courtesy and

by the men and

serve

women who

desire to

a

represent the institution

advertised.

As customers, we want banks

in

well

as

essential to
than

in

as

the life of

times

sound loans

of

in

liquidation

itors,

such

have

we

should

not

business

a

an

in

The

depend in

we can

Bank

credit

times

of

forced

criticism, but

over-reach

itself

of

liquidation

In

us.

so

No customer wants

convert his loans

when the first cloud appears in the
economic

of

been told that

a-

bank

many

of the

bank

a

plentiful
into cash

sky.

unfair

important
system

economic

factor.

system in

We

manufactures

chooses, enlarging

or

woes

and

ills

that

have

credit

which

been
and

told

the banks
that

deposit

the

are

an

banking

currency

as

it

curtailing the supply at the bidding

of capital and without regard to the needs of
national life.
We have been

system that

told that the banker
represents

can

operate in

such economic excesses

misery and despair
of these

the

charges

facts

which

lieve them.




as

no

were

as came

are

It

to information, reason and understanding on

open

Even in legislative halls there seems to

increasing

an

to

get the

the

about

true facts

banking business, to give due credit to the bankers who
have
of

struggled through the

the past few years

difficulties

disasters

and the

and have brought their institutions

safely through the economic

The banker himself to¬

war.

day enjoys the confidence and esteem of his community to
greater extent than for many years.

a

The public is just

beginning to appreciate fully the sacrifices that were

now

required in, carrying financial institutions through the dif¬
ficulties of the recent depression.
In

spite of the enticing appeals of various economic sooth¬

emerging from the economic wilderness of

sayers, we are
the

past few years

with a

clearer

understanding of the

importance to the life of this Nation, of
owned and
under

other

way

an

than to

economic

produce

witnessed in 1929 and such

in 1932.

We believe that most

untrue, but unless the bankers give

prove

them

Untrue,

many

of

us

sound, privately-

a

privately-administered banking system operated

adequate government

supervision.

The Banker Comments

Now, with

permission,

your

may

I comment briefly

will

us

be¬

on

this discussion brought to us by our customers?

Let

admit that there has existed in this country

us

ing recent
the

years a most

banking system.

tomer

into the whole
or

not

mum

our

dur¬

critical attitude toward banks and

It

relationships,

is

alone

not

but

a

policies and

searching

more

banking system.

question of the

a

cus¬

interrogation

The public inquires whether

complex banking system is performing

maxi¬

a

public service and in the interest of the public wel¬

fare, and if not, what changes should be made by way of

perfecting the
which

present system

might perform

a

more

establishing

or

meet the needs of the American

people.
an

to

mind

discover

is

whether

justified

by

a

new

such

the operations

We should under¬

attitude

of

the

public

and,

of banks

if the

sources

of antagonism can be discovered, we should

them.

But

examine

even

of

more,

entire

our

the

banking

have

the

banking system, complex

conflicting

controversial

should

we

subjects

systems

and

viewpoints
as

one

valuable service and better

take

branch

as

to

it is, and

bankers

hold

on

banking, unification

bank

central

remove

courage

control,

with

the

objective of discovering adjustments that may be made
changes

economic

As

life

bankers,

perform the maximum service in the

may

of

the people

of this Nation.

believe in the American dual system

we

State and National

banks.

We believe

that

the

aspirations of the American people.
American
progress

banking

and

system

and the

We believe that this

contributed

to

the

development of this Nation, to its rapid

eco¬

nomic growth to the
than any other
in

has

of

American

is suited to the characteristics, the'needs

system

or

far-reaching revamping" in order that the

or even a

banking system

nation

have suffered during the past few
years are the product
an

the

desire

as

ruthlessly sacrifice them when

immediately undertakes to

We have

far

financing its customers to

that seeks his business when
money is cheap and

we

of
in¬

some

do maintain that

we

trouble appears on the horizon.

but

more

for the protection of depos¬

in

extent that it must

some

is

depression

early thirties crippled and in

was necessary

no

which

on

prosperity.

the

time the

toward

receptive mood

banking matters.

such

good times.

stances destroyed the business of
such

more

recognizing
As Customers

bad times

most

mechanics of bank operation nor of loan

The most important factor in determining the customer's

tionships

the

be

making of loans

transaction

his customers leaving him for a more satisfactory banking

and

in

The

rare.

connection.

ers

is

attitude

an

increasingly

and that banker who fails to recognize the
a

is

today, if he is entitled to bank loans, is free to

pick and choose the bank with which

as

mind

banking business that it has been for the past decade.

officers.

to loan

true as

have been poor salesmen of

They not only adopted

toward making loans,

and

increased consideration for the

an

past many bankers

the bank's funds.

public

firm conviction that at the present

a

made, the unselfishness displayed, and the unusual ability

day-to-day dealing with bank

we

We have

of us they mean

many

tion of those statements, information as to what is
the figures.

your

interpretation and illumina¬

an

Public Attitude

that you should give

the

the

more

high standards of living of its people,

banking system has contributed to
world.

We recognibze that

it

any other

has not been

perfect, that there have been bank failures, that depositors
have

lost

money,

have been

but

that

such

economic progress of national
suited

to

peoples of

different

with older civilizations
we

to stabilize

which

their national

wellbeing, and who. have been
a

static* condition

control
ernment

and

to^gain from
is

of life.

regulation of

agencies,

attempted in

that

failures

and

such

losses

relatively small in relation to the swiftly-moving

any

State

life.

have been

life

on

our

other great

more

to

countries

willing than

lower levels of public

somewhat content to

We have

and

Other systems may be

temperaments,

accept

accepted the minutest

banking institutions by

Federal,

to

an

extent

gov¬

not

nation.5T We have everything

a banking system that is sound, that is strong,
serviceable, and that promotes the welfare of the

STATE BAE
American

people,

and

have everything

we

lose

to

de¬

in

fending any system that does not meet those requirements.
We

willing and ready to correct

are

difficulties in

any

such theorists

destruction
American

growing

the

American

of development and improvement,

one

notable

most
We

development

of

banking has been

and of servicing the

national

system weighed in

First, that
ment,

public opinion.

having pursued too long

Perhaps

policy

a

when un¬

silence

of

guilty

we are

portraying

tribution

Perhaps

have failed to

we

development.
definite

a

the

out

be

to which

the

lives and efforts

our

dedicated.

are

Perhaps

atmosphere of dignity and strength that pervades our

institutions has carried
the

nature of

very

wdalth

and

business has made

our

Perhaps

power.

Perhaps

suggestion of aloofness.

a

of

some

symbols of

us

been

have

us

un¬

development

banks

and

small

the

country

American

of

century or

a

the

American

date

each

on

subject,

States.

economically

life,

toward) that

prepared in mat form, with
all kinds through¬

such

effectiveness of

its simultaneous appearance;

in

simultaneously

published

and

in printed matter of

The

and

emphasizing the con¬

more,

banking system

advertising will
the reader

wherever

turns

advertisement, whether it appear;, over the name of a
bank or the name of a large city institution.
same

the

of

program

the American

and) of

Association

Bankers

Associations

be continued with even greater emphasis and concen¬
along the lines of public education about banking.
A number of

tration

field

workers

speaking

should be

ability

to

officers

and

district

meetings

the

under

United

Second, that
State

of

in magazines and

entire

see

suggestions:

These advertisements should be

release

multiplied by

appreciate fully the interest of the customers in this businecc

the

the

of

remold

strange patterns.

advertising program be devised, pictorial in its arrange¬

an

socially, during the past half

he will

fairly and unjustly attacked.

and

new

offer two practical

to

me

newspapers

of fair

the balance

all history.

life in

willing and ready to have this

are

is

indicate

people

The whole history of American

needed.

of

of

needs

politicians who seek not improvement but

or

of the banking system in their efforts to

lifeiinto

Permit

banking system which the exigencies of depression or

our

the

55

; DIVISION.

story

bank

to

employed,
the

carry

employee^ in

throughout

capable,

men

the

the customers and

entire

who

country,

the

to

banking

bank

to

in city meetings, and in

meetings,

group

and with public

informed,

American

of

message

in

turn

carry

can

public.

Admitting all of these things for the purpose of

worthy.

Conclusion

reply,

is that the American bankers today face

our answer

their customers and the American people with a clear con¬
that

viction

efficient

they
the

and

economic

life

serviceable

most

American

the

of

worthily

administering

are

the

most

in the

instrumentality

people—a banking system

Whenever I
national life

discouraged at the direction in which

am

to be

seems

powerful trends that
ter and

when,

which would block

to national life.

I

From the

enthusiastic

business,

our

expect

We

expect such recognition, but we do believe

nor

informed public opinion,

an

hardly

can

we

public demonstrations of our popularity.

neither ask
that

of

nature

public educated

a

subject of banking methods, policies and services,
fend the American

the

on

will de¬

banking system from the exploitation of

Nation

enlightened progress of national life,

an

bear the

between

common

true

the

tested

of

the

and

moderation

and

sail

guided this

falls

tolerance

people.

Using

the American bankers,

may

has

the

over

in

almost

crisis, the compass of the sound

American

compass,

people boldly

which

compass

rocks

the

sense,

manship

our

hand,

one

pointed toward chaos and disas¬

are

period of national

every

the

on

the other hand, there appear granite walls

on

unsurpassed throughout the world in the service it renders

bring to

going, when I see,

the

and

this

sports¬
and

true

the American

and

ahead.

seas

Committee and Officers* Reports-State Bank Division
Address of the

President, Fred B. Brady, Vice-President
Trust Co.,
Kansas City, Mo.

Commerce

I

earnestly request that you read this printed, report of
Research.

on

with

pare

Your

State

President,

Bank

institutions

the

their

and

previous

codes

which

years,

work

this

of

period

and

questions

6pend

influence

to

work

association

our

The addresses

country.

more
our

has

brought

following

each

before

subject

been

the

dif¬

timely and the forum

were

the

meetings

plan in keeping with banking progress.

a

The

objectives

stated,

of

purposes

culties,

of

existence.

our

pledge

our

State

our

banking

Better

are:

of

Division,

Bank

and

They

service

better bank
are

to

as

have

we

earnings.

previously

These

the

are

defense against future diffi¬
public,
and our obligation to

Bank

earnings

which

salaries

eliminated

high

in

the

rates

a

loans

for

starvation

of

the

always

the

investment
and

the

low

been

has been

deposits

on

in

have

earning

their inducement.

as

are

offering low

situations

are

rates

foolish

from

interest

of
an

com¬

interest as an
earning stand¬

the need of cooperation in ceasing to loan
is a dangerous time in banking.
Idle

degree for banks, and yield
standard.
The public realizes the
to

believe

them

see

this

earn

a

public

same

reasonable

is

money

funds

temptation to lower

a

economic
return

willing

or

Free service
are

to

pay

their

the time

has

come

to

a

direct certain

fair

stock¬

return

streams

of

commercial channels, and every effort
the banks are prepared
willing to handle these credits, and ask that they be restored to us.
back

credit

into

the

being made to convince those in authority that
believe

I

the

always assert
mittee

Hanes,

on

strength

shows

power

of

our

country

will

Bank

that

total

recuperating

Our confidence is growing.
A survey by our Com¬
Research, under the chairmanship of Robert M.

itself.

State

and

in

banks,

the

1935,

$5,600,000,000.

their

had

with

the time

study

the

read

to

10,473 State supervised banks and 5,886 National
have increased over the year ending Dec. 81,
Deposits over the same period have increased

resources

investments

loans continue to be higher in most states than losses on

on

rather conclusively, that

proves

.

.

banks

are

still

making loans

.

in securities require sound and conservative

policies, based on thorough knowledge
and.analyslslbefore purchase and systematic review at regular Intervals thereafter."
As

and

study this survey

we

write

the

of

story

and prosper.

earn

we

convinced that management is going to

are

future.

our

Bankers of ability will

conditions will

The

Banking

has

been

Federal

Reserve

always

Act of

given

1935

careful

System,

make

under

direction

the

They have tabulated the

membership

in

approximtely

country

have

or

50%,

each

States

12%%

deposits
are

of

the

on

not

System,

that

to be

number

of

our

it

banks

problem

at
in

Harry A.
their

to

which shows

Act,

these

banks

affected,

other

the

on

hand

18

affected.

a
comparatively few States may
developing support in the event of

We

measuring

of

611

while

would be

in

of

agree

stick

that membership

many

Our

with

for

our

committee that

membership

in the System

in

shall be

the
a

mere

Federal

condition

our

such

smaller

banks

membership.

do

feel

there

that

is

the

conclusion

in

the

Reserve

System

and should be left to the individual decision

of each

should

bankers

does

be

that

not

made

membership

make
to

It

not

is

State

committee

effort

of

gained by

should be voluntary,

when

the

on

reference

under this

and

States,

banks that

these

the

Chairman,

with

for

Reserve

Deposit Insurance Corporation.
We recognize the
of membership in the System for certain banks, but we recog¬

fact

the

anything

be
nor

its

subject

Committee

the Federal

joining

advantages

bank.

$1,000,000,
10

legislation in Congress.

should

of

a

Federal

the

our

State banks

System

in eight

than

idea

legislation
with

by

(1,133) of the 9,007 non-member banks in the

over

located

have less

some

Reserve

nize

Federal Reserve

concentration

The

give

remedial

to

the

bank
deals

it

as

consideration

Brinkman.

over

institu¬

exacting.

more

Changing
study.

that

their

cause

The margin will be smaller and the work harder

a

recommendation

amend

as

to

of

the

a

time

the

Banking Act of 1935, but
does recommend that a careful watch be kept on the situation so that
some opportune time prior to 1941 this desirable change
might be made
the Banking Act.
an

is




conclu¬

increase earning capacities of

it

have declined.

certain

increasing'Income on the one hand and reducing
The production of more income depends primarily

and

expenses

by

address

means

granted unless it is proved' that the community needs

investments

into this

they have reached

be

and

decreased

com¬

comparison

follows:

as

increased $2,600^)00,000, while loans
$600,000,000.
In this same period is shown an increase in net
profits, and it is interesting to note in this report that net earnings in
proportion to total earnings show an improvement in nearly all the States,
and responsible for a share of this increase is the fact that gross losses
$6,400,000,000,

Committee

our

ratios, which you may

struck

without thoroughly investigating the financial conditions of the Individual or busi¬
ness concern.
Reduction of losses oh loans means the application of con¬
stant attention to every loan from ita inception to maturity.
Likewise, Investments

size

feels that

division

government
and

Fundamentally, this

"The fact that losses

other

necessity for

for

In

report.

System

lowered

account.

Today they

wish I

its

be

upon expansion of volume of business, growth'of deposits, and intelligent investment
of available funds.
With acceptable loans scarce, the yield on high grade securities
low, and call money rates far belowjnormal, the highest principles of good manage¬
ment should be.foremost in the mind of every banker who is striving to bring about
greater earning powers in his bank.

curtailed,

money.

Our

is

Expenses

third

wants

We

holders.
for

confronted with

are

This

rates.

are

interest

showing

and

these

We

continue.

competitive bidders for deposits.

were

offered

point and clearly show

hanks

will

proper

past

Both

inducement.

at

problem.

reduced, and

were

bidders

petitive

our

make

to

Bankers

and

is

apparently
been

have

I

in

will

"The purpose of proper bank management Is to
banks.

tion to

ourselves.

rates,

complete

items.

You

losses and expenses on the other.

our

the

various

on

interested

bank.

sions, part of which is set forth

its

in

practical application.
It is the judgment of our State Bank Division that
these conferences inaugurated by President Fleming should be continued
on

States

their

be

will

own

has

affecting

well-attended regional conferences held in

planned,

sections

discussions

confronted

were

This

the

rest and

of

one

regulations.

and

for

operations.

stimulating

greatest

carefully

ferent

banking

has been

past year

customer

on

The

the

that

stewardship

his

of

account

an

opportunity to do more association
and public relations and other

an

us

time

finds

Division,

legislation,

new

given

rendering

when he compares it with

relaxation

with

in

You

your

It
banks

is

the

judgment of

should be

a

a

matter

public necessity.

the
of

State Bank Division that the chartering of
careful

There

consideration

should

and

be reasonable

no

a

charter

should

bank and that

assurance

that

the

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

56
bank would

be

profitable from

financial

standing,

and

Committee

Your

on

Malone,

is

other

joining

makes

it

the

more

the

that

necessary

the leadership of

organizations

general

effort

an

to

the FDIC
laws and discretionary
"The Bank Chartering
in

interest

have proper

The publication

in

M.

C.

on

and assist our membership to operate safe, strong, conservative,
banks—banks that build their communities.
The officer*

encourage

well-supervised
of

proposed officers.

under

Our

we

experience,

character,

and

banks.

of

the

to

as

Legislation,

this subject.

regarding

powers

made

committees

the overchartering

prevent

be

qualifications of
State

most important,

earning standpoint, and,

an

thorough investigation should

a

have
a
responsibility to see that their banks are
conditions fairly, serve their communities safely and
meet their customer cheerfully.
Our dual system of banking has always encouraged individual initiative
institutions

our

progressive,

meet

which is responsible for our Nation's growth.
of

Our people

opportunity.

by the Economic Policy
reveals some important
facts.
We commend! it to you as worthy of careful reading and study.
We do need a better coordinating policy between the Federal Deartment
and the State Banking Departments on this subject.
Our State Bank Division recognizes in the State Banking Departments
the

banish

We

ambitious.

are

known

are

Crush

country

as a

them

spirit within

this

and you will

History

Policies

and

Commission of

greatest
of

ment

State

assistance

banks.
that

realizes

United

the

in

keeping

Committee

our

manner

issue

the three

of

covering

single mimeographed volume.
officers

most

the

of

Chairman

important

This

and

his

movement

and

committee

wisely

the

stress

is

sound

a

For this purpose they suggest that a charter

board

be

in

should

commission

nature

that at

so

bank

a

political

A non-political banking board should be appointed

favoritism

the

in

Our

division

postal savings
thrift

but

Orleans

address

J justified

the

operations

President
and

Savings,

Postal

Resolutions,

on

with

competition.

for

concerning

Committee

danger

of
the

of

its inception may have been justified for

at

Hecht in his

which

New

In

I

President

We
to

took
two

with

particular emphasis

fact that competition

on the

1920,
I

.v at,the coming session of Congress at least to modify, if not to abolish, the law govern-

This
mittee

is being given

question
of

the

consideration by the Banking Studies Com¬

Bankers

American

Association.

prospect of some remedial legislation
The

Committee

Kirschner, ha*
they

Legislation to

discontinuance,

by

the

in

the

the

recent

tions.

their

have

bankers

abuse

that

and

it

This

tive

would

should

and

as

public

interested

the

into

in

from

business.

No

I

wonder

if

we

based

on

con¬

permitted

Bankers

I

his

of

part

in

the

that

mystery
bank

a

or

are

division, through

and

surround

to

ever

our

be

give the

the

and

policies

our

seems

should

question,

any

with

and

They

*

customers

our

them

with

Our

in taking

have

we

banking policies

economic life.

the future.

in

now

too

busy

to

why;

reason

personal

character

an

and

loans

assured

teach

income.

and

customer

individuals

to

These

small

and

loans

the

are

say

the

to

what

loan
banks.

is

at

The

basis."

extends

personal

present a

orderly

an

department
large

This

valuable

a

loan

department

of

mass

service

simply

unorganized

department

be

can

which

credit

made

is

serves

and

profitable
organize

to

place it

profitable,

in

this

borrower's

approaching
to

an

the bank for

mind

the

officer.

In

financial

service

fear

other

and

words,

awe

you

and

upon

the

at

of

are

entering

a

bank

educating him

to

and
come

and

advice, and directing these borrowers
toward the fields of private enterprise.
Our committee urges all bankers
to
cooperate with the Customer and Public Relations program of the

( American Bankers Association, and with the Public
and

by

study

Our

the

text book

on

Public

our

Education

most

division

powerful

evidenced

place in

Education

Commission,

Commission.

reaffirms

"Constructive Customer

our

faith

system of banking and recommends

form in

preserving

by public sentiment,
our

business structure.




Relations"

have

I

from

came

a

and 1916.

had

we

surplus

our

with

equal
small

a

bank.

On Sept. 80,

We

capital,

our

Sept. 30,

this year,

when

word

a

if

just take

Sept.

Mr.

me

the

15

Bryant

Colorado

one

bonds,

that I

which

which

and

off down to

$239,000, cash

it

have paid,

out¬

figures.

Denver

of

had

$568,551

profits,

$10,500 in

spent

$3,000.
and

exchange,

bonds,

$848,000.

that

so

equipment,

new

Municipal
the

$65,000;

And

I

may

can't hear

assessor

trustee

a

In

our

hold

to

the

for

family.

own

benefit

And

that

the

of

is

stock¬

invested

in

good notes.

And

Bank

undivided

the

paid out dividends to the extent of $35,000,

we

to

over

keeps

nearly

so

And four years ago we moved

this far from home,

am

turned

was

another

to

room

charged

not

to give you

State

$37,973.94

surplus,

had

moment

a

we

Christmas.

Our

That result

,in

is

Mr.

largely due to the

very

I

And

fact that I was a country banker
didn't know any better than to take hold of motor
may say this: that we commenced first with the

"

Wait

Bryant:

appreciate the help

speaker
Your

in two years and a half, 5% quarterly and 6% at
has paid Christmas
dividends every year for 10
split $1,200 in cash between our nine employees.

we

large city and

a

financing.

I

bank

and last year

years,

when

that I

Mr.

giving
like

boast

can

have

that
It

me.

that and

of

is

thing

here.

bring it in

such

no

down

big help to the

a

can

record

net

profit

that

as

here.
in the

operate.

ClarkI

profit,

dollars.

I

J

are

down

you

stuff

record is wonderful.

gross

now!

minute,

a

that

write

you

mi?ht

this:

say

$71,000, and

was

We paid

That

our

net profit

our

about 17

was

last

year,

our

18 thousand

or

$2,490 government income tax.

of ^Committee

Report

Public Relations—-Would
"Bank"-—Summary of Other

on

Restrict Use of Term

Committee Reports
A recommendation

restriction of the

that

bankers undertake

of the words "bank"

use

Public

on

Relations submitted

was

to

or

a

campaign to bring about

"banker" to

those

actually

made In the report of the Committee

the

State

Bank

Division.

Tne

report

presented by Brewer D. Phillips, Chairman of the Committee. Chair¬

was
man

of the

Board,

the soundness of the

Bank

of Jamestown.

Jamestown.

N.

Y.

Assuming

public policy which divorced commercial banks from

the sale of securities and the

setting

of independent corporations for the

up

handling of the latter, the report said, it follows that organizations having
none of the character or responsibility of banks should not be
permitted
to

published

use

these titles.

Appointment of non-partisan boards

investigation of applictaions for

new

or

commissions to have charge Of the

State bank charters

restraining future over-chartering of banks
mittee

on

State

H. W.

dent Security Bank of Ponca City, Okla., is Chairman.

committee suggested that "all banks be urged to make
and survey of

as

was recommended

Banking Departments, of which

an

one

means

of

by the Com¬

Koeneke, Presi¬
In

addition the

exhaustive study

banking history and conditions in their respective communi¬

ties, primarily for the purpose of being informed, and secondly, to be In a
position to furnish detailed information to the various supervising agencies,
should

a

movement be started for additional

banking^facilities.'

A survey was presented of the number and location of State
banks not
now

members of the Federal

Reserve System, which will be affected by the

requirement in the Banking Act of 1935 that in order to continue
banks under the Federal Deposit Insurance
average

deposits of $1,000,000

the Federal

mittee

A,

on

or

more

Reserve System in 1942.

the Federal

Brinkman,

Harris

Insured

in 1941 must become members of

This survey, reported by the Com¬

Reserve System, under the

Vice-President

as

Corporation. State banks with

Trust

&

Chairmanship of Harry

Savings

Bank,

Chicago,

showed that of the 9,007 non-member State banks, 1,133, or
approximately

and

confidence

to Congress

our

said
will

on

right good times

holders,

same
time you
could be performing a double service of helping these
safe, small borrowers get credit at a fair rate and be helpful in dispelling

from

1915

6mall capital, and it is

a

$50,000

been

States

now

r"

opportunity to

income

I

years.

in

spirit of friendliness.

a

26

Denver,

paying, semi-annual dividends in 1917.

engaged In the banking business

and

our

our

It

home

from

has

say

chance,

Sutgrowthput out by Bank Management instalment financing. In Booklet
of the continued increase in Commission, they
To. 17.
that "The
personal

office

felt

economic illness,

our

back in

first quarterly dividend.

have

not

left

capital,

United

profession.

their

agitator

all

defense,

interested

a

overlooking

are

through

the

familiarizing

answer

interest and

rights and

for

of

Association.

and

into

and

as

work

suspense

turned
long.

too

for

our

greater activity

minds

The

attitude

us

Phillips

relations

public

being

given

banks

for

expect

may

in

is

upon

has

our

are

are

connected

one

an

public relations
concerns

their

and

their elimination.

they

confidence,

operation,

any

show

short,

they

mem¬

our

Bank

loans, $3,000 in furniture and fixtures.

public rela¬

with Brewer D.

protect their

to

listening

that

suggests

our

dispelling
explain

con¬

blanks,

and

customer

indifferent

an

blame

that banks

what

in

been

in

profession

ourselves

to

suggested

fact

fact

committee,

public

has

these

opinion is changing.

be heaped

to

defend

has

recognize the
its

current

would assist
with

interested

more

our

assumed

undignified
to

hesitated

remedy
to

with

State

State Bank

Bankers

in the country banking business.
I have been sitting here and listening
speakers on the subject.
It is an old subject

until

Tt is

our

bank.

our

$50,000

bank

committee,

Public

criticism

be

reluctance

he has not

awakened

become

We

respect.

and

The

and received

Colorado

quarterly dividend.

I

the movement to standard¬

conform

to

interested

this

of

surrounding

unjust

a

been

communities.

and

on

Pending

operations.

have

we

misunderstanding
fidence

harmony

standardization

accounts

report

our

the direction

own

brought into

This

their

up

vears

Under

Chairman,
in

Committee

the System.

the rates paid

is also rendering assistance in

setting

thereby simplify
In

Association's

paid

dealer—

examinations.

respective
in

System

the

be to have

forms used by the various supervisory authorities in making

report

bership

will

semi-annually

bonds and

market.

money

This committee
ize

their

with

discontinuance of

the

secure

their work

Savings

Postal

ditions

the

over

Legislation, under the leadership of C. J.
Postal Savings continually before them, and

the question of

its

encouraged

are

the Postal Savings System.

on

wholeheartedly cooperating

are

Federal

Federal

on

We

F.

experience

years'

commenced

$50,000.

me,

Postal Savings System."

Bryant's presentation, B.

get home, I shall have the pleasure of drawing our sixty-fifth consecu¬

which

passed except perhaps in such rural communities
enjoy other banking facilities.
A serious effort should therefore be made

20

little bank

we

the

Colorado

the

of

It commenced

3%

paid

our

Postal Savings System has really

of Mr.

of

three different

or

Our

through any member of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation the need for the

n& the

Clark, Incident to Mr. Bryant's

automobile financing.

up

me.

high) interest rate; and liberal withdrawal privileges allowed its depositors is unfair,
and since every depositor can now get full protection for his deposits up to $5,000

do no;

person

Let nothing be done to

being President of the Colorado

with

country town

lined

which the Postal Savings System gives privately owned banks through the relatively

to

Vice-President

also

When

as

by B. F.

addition

am

been

by

recognized

was

said:

"In this connection I wish to lay

preserve

any

the following statement:

which is

concerned

and

which

system

never

the

prevented.

interested

is

bank charters,

granting of

Let's

help

to

Clark, President of the Colorado State Bank, Denver, made

by limiting authority and eliminating as nearly as possible

over-bank conditions could be

the

is

authority to make a thorough investigation of a proposed organiza¬

tion of
all

entirely non-political
would the judgment of the board be swayed

time

no

by political favoritism.
with

which

appointed

contributes

Address

the

that

fact

forming of

the

policy for chartering banks.
or

that

forth an honest effort.
opportunity.

During tfoe course

proved very valuable.

undertaken

be

to

year it was decided to
indexed and bound into

This

sent to all bank commissioners

was

Bank Division

State

Koeneke

banking system.

present

our

factor

willing to put
American

Statement

term of service, compensa¬

15-year period,

a

for

other

every

preserve

is

State Banking makes a detailed

on

examiners, &c.

appointment,
surveys

who

arguments

our

are

and

it

Suggestions from these

most interesting to our membership.

are

brief,

in

of State banking departments, personnel,

tion,
a

with the laws and manage¬
working with them and

touch

in

interested

is

problems in common.

many

five-year intervals

survey

and

States,"

Bankers Association,

division

Our

have

we

Supervisors

At

of

the American

destroy the factors of American progress.
This same spirit has built communities and encouraged business enter¬
prise and stimulated a pride and patriotism to defend them.
These, in

present

that

In
it

our

he

American

preserved.

dual

The

banking system is the proof

that the banks
Our duty as a

are

serving

their

economic

State Bank Division

is

to

12M%, have deposits of

over

$1,000,000.

The report pointed out:

F^Of these

1,133 banks. 611, or over 50%, are located in the eight States of
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and
Wisconsin.
In
Arizona, the District of Columbia," New Jersey, New-

York and the five New England States
of the State banks would be required to

substantially more than one-half"
become members.

STATE
"The enforced

membership of the 1,133 banks under the provision

of this

law will, in bne operation, more than double the number of State banks in
the system, increasing the number from 961 to 2,094.
"The committee cannot endorse the principle that mere size shall be the

yardstick for membership in the Federal Reserve System or that member¬
ship in the system shall be a condition to joining the Federal Deposit In¬
surance Corporation.
This whole question is one which should be carefully
watched during the next few years so that at some opportunejime. prior to
1941 an effort may be made to have the lawLamended."

Resolutions—Again Declares
Amend¬
Security
Act—Also Change in

Report of Committee

on

Favor of Dual

in

of

ment

Law

Banking System—Urges

Social

Governing FDIC

President

Brady:

We will

now

hear the report of the

Committee on

Resolutions.

Chicago, 111.):

Mr.
of this
committee, President Brady included the name of W. J. Rahill of Louis¬
ville, Ky.
Mr. Rahill is not at the convention.
He was unable to come.
Consequently, the members of the committee who sat in on the delibera¬
tions are:
Frank T. Hodgdon, Farmers & Merchants Bank & Trust Co.,
Hannibal, Mo.; H. W. Koeneke, the Security Bank of Ponca City, Ponca
City, Okla. and J. H. Penick, W. B. Worthen Co., Little Rock, Ark.,
H.

A.

Brinkman

President,

and your

Ladies

(Harris Trust &

Gentlemen:

and

In

Savings Bank,
announcing

criminates against the

themselves can receive little

would be taxed on their

but due to
employees

if any benefit from this tax.

w

banks with average deposits of
over
SI,000,000 in 1941 must become members of the Federal Reserve
System in 1942 in order to have their deposits insured by the Federal
Deposit Insurance Corporation. "Without questioning the merit of member¬
ship in the Federal Reserve System, we feel that such membership should
not be a requirement for eligibility in the FD1C.
The FDIC shouldjbe
open to all sound State banks regardless of membership in the System, and
we urge that steps be taken to amend the present law at an early date.
We recommend that the State Bankers Associations of the several States
continue their efforts to secure the elimination of the double liability
running against stockholders of State banks or in the event that this is not
possible to work for such legislation as will place definite limitations as to
of 1935 provides that all

The Banking Act

the duration of such double

liability.

We wish to commend in the

the personnel

highest terms the good

officers and committees during the past year

Deputy Manager, Frank
Division and its thousands of members.

help that

our

Committee

Harry

A.

Brinkman,

on

work done by our

and particularly the

efficient

W. Simmonds, has been to
Division:

Resolution State Bank

Vice-President, Harris Trust &

this

Savings Bank

Chicago, 111., Chairman.
Frank T.

following resolutions:

State banks in that they

payrolls under the unemployment insurance section of the Act
the stability of employment in the banking business, bank

Chairman.

This committee offers the

57

BANK DIVISION.

Hodgdon, Cashier, Farmers &

Merchants Bank & Trust Co.,

Hannibal, Mo
H.

Koeneke,

W.

Resolutions

President, the Security

Bank of Ponca City, Ponca

City, Okla.
For

many

declared itself
preservation of
While the attitude of

the State Bank Division has annually

years

unalterably in favor of the dual banking system and the
State autonomy

with respect to branch banking.

the State bankers of the Nation has undoubtedly

J. H. Penick,

stronger today than they have

are

Historically

ever.been.

State banks antedate the National

the

Banking System.

Numerically they outnumber the National banks almost two to one.

The

Co., Bankers, Little

Rock,

adoption of these resolutions.

[The motion was duly seconded.]
v.
You have heard the Report of the Resolutions

In the

destruction

Mr. President, I move the

Mr. Brinkman:

been an important factor1

preservation of these principles which we believe to be fundamental,
nevertheless it must be admitted that the forces working toward their

Vice-President, W. B. Worthen

Arkansas.

I*resident Brady:

Com¬

and amendment. Do I hear any one
regarding these resolutions as to amendment by striking out or adding to?
If not, as many as are in favor of the motion will make it known by saying
"aye;" opposed, "no."
It is so ordered.
It is now open for discussion

mittee.

the development of the business
Nation which has been of inestimable value and

8tate banks have performed a service in
and economic life of the

there is
serve

nothing in

the picture to indicate that they

their communities with economy, safety

intimate knowledge

Report of Committee on' Nominations

cannot continue to

and efficiency and with more

of local needs than is possible under distant

Federal

President Brady:

Furthermore,

For

the banking systems

of our 48 States have been and will
centralization of banking

continue to be the most effective check against the
power
a

in any one authority which we believe

country

interests.

so

extensive

Therefore

favor of the dual

we

and

with

wish

unwise, if not dangerous, in

such varied business and agricultural

again to assert ourselves unmistakably in

banking system

as

now

constituted in this country and

States their right to
control the business of banking within their boundaries.
%
The Federal
Social Security Act exempts from its operations service
performed in the employ of the United States Government or an instru¬
mentality of the United States, a political subdivision thereof, or an
instrumentality of one or more States or political subdivisions and the
Internal Revenue Department has ruled that National banks shall be
opposed to any legislation which would take from the

classified

as

Entirely

correcting

this

regardless

of the merits

discrimination.




As

or

the constitutionality

the law now stands,

it further dis¬

President—H.

Trust Co.,

the

Committee"*on

For

M.

Chamberlain, Vice-President, Walker

Vice-President—Robert

M.

Hanes, President, Wachovia Bank

Bryant, President, Parsons Commercial

and W. S. Elliott,

&

^

N. C.

For Members of the Executive Committee for a

Harry A.

Bank &

Salt Lake City, Utah.

Trust Co., Winston Salem,

Term of Three Years—

Bank, Parsons, Kan.,
Canton, Ga.

Vice-President and Cashier, Bank of Canton,

Respectfully submitted:
M.

H. Malott, President, Citizens

L. A
M.

Bank, Abilene, Kan., Chairman.

Andrew, Vice-President, First State

Bank, Mapleton, Iowa.

Kimball, Kimball, S. Dak.
the adoption of the report which, if carried, would

Plin Beebe, President, Bank of

Mr. Malott:

I

move

elect the names we have selected.
President Brady:

instrumentalities of the United States under this section of the

of the
Social Security Act, this ruling has the effect of placing State banks in a
disadvantageous position and we demand that legislation be enacted

Act.

We will now hear the report of

Nominations by Mr. Malott.

bureaucratic control.

Before this motion is seconded, are there any

tions other than those submitted
a

by the committee?

second to the motion which has been

[The motion was
installed.]

nomina¬

If not, I will entertain

made.

duly seconded and carried

and

the new

officers

TRUST

DIVISION

American Bankers Association

Fortieth

AnnualJVfeeting, Held at San Francisco, Calif., Sept. 22, 1936

Meeting for Elections Only
The Trust Division of the American Bankers Association
convened at

2:05

at

the St. Francis

President

be

that

Callaway: Will

have

addresses.

no

you

to

come

The business

the nomination and

of

the

the

of

report

order,

before

There

G.

We

by

Committee

to

N.

(Wachovia

C.):

Mr.

Bank

President

&

Mr.

Trust

and

report that

have made

we

a

not

sent

out

for

throughout

the

and

country

desire

make

to

Trust

Portland, Ore.
For

Robertson

Griswold,

Vice-President,

Trust Co., Baltimore, Md.

Roy M.

Tulsa,

Okla.;

I

Huff,

Maclin

trust

F.

officer,

Smith,

First

National

Vice-President,

Bank

&

Trust

this

In fact, he is going

.

I ought; to

.

very

he will know what

year so

say

that

very

the appointment of the committees

going to

am

announce

the fact that I will
Trustees

on

as

and

Chairman,

adding to the committee at the present time
was

ex-officio

an

member

Stockton:

That

Callaway:

If not, the nominations
names

were

is

the

Birmingham

unanimous

Trust

report

of

our

are

any

&

work

Mr.

to

closed and I will declare those

you

to

and

now

Coles, in welcoming you as

Association.

in the line of succession to these
to

years.
-

_

men we

have had all these

this year, it seems to me we

continue
to

can

without

interruption and without

at this time the most

me

Thank you very

be of service to you,

thing

tribute to

a

I have

more
our

important

been

much.

Past

I want to

I will be there.

and then I

am

through.

President,

Mr.

Is

*

a

say

1 would
I want

Callaway.

working together for great

He has certainly done

President-elect Cloes:

come

heretofore constituted.

ought to know that because I want that

seems

Griswold:

pay

as

Otherwise,

have before the Division.

Merrel and

I have great

President-elect Coles: I am honored. It is a distinguished
privilege to become President of this Division and to follow




we

that if I

our

other nominations?

presented duly elected.

As I look forward

thought

like to say one

Are there

particular pleasure, Mr.

the President of

active member, and Mr. Stockton.

break in what

committee, Mr. President.

years.

announce

am

an

committee

Co.,

Savings Co., Birmingham, Ala.; Sidney F. Taliaferro, Vice-President and
trust officer, Riggs National Bank,
Washington, D. C.

and

of

deal and I hope he will be

the committee will remain

Co., Los Angeles,

Calif.;

whose

of Vice-President

much practice this

Callaway who

becomes

Maryland

For Members of the Executive Committee for a term of three
years:
Carl W. Feninger, Vice-President, Provident Trust
Co., Philadelphia, Pa.;
A. L. Lathrop, Vice-President, Union Bank & Trust

President

and

I present

as

■

Vice-President:

Mr.

great deal.

nothing

But

Indentures, with Mr. Page to continue

that I

Mr.

Coles, Vice-President, First National Bank,

a

which I have jurisdiction.

save

Blaine B.

doing

directly reappoint the entire Committee

report:
For President:

by

expected to follow those traditions.

At this time I

this

very^busy

a

going to have

Griswold, I want to caution him that he id

be called upon a great

over

inquiry that Mr. Sargent

we

office

pin representing the office

shortly I will

am

I have tried to follow the traditions of

he is coming into next year.

Gentlemen:

qualified for the Executive Committee

men

year

vice-presidential

active and get

Co.,

careful study of all

very

an

and

year

I do, I

friends and associates in the East

Division to Mr.

Chairman of the Nominating Committee, I would like

suggestions made in response to

usual

this

will

to

Stockton

Winston-Salem,
As

on my

as

speaking only when I have been spoken to.

the meeting is

election of officers.

Nominating

the

please?

Stockton, Chairman.
Richard

rely

During the past

This is the Annual Meeting of the Trust Division.
will

to

.

interesting

a very

Coming from the Far West

year.

o'clock, Sept. 22, Merrel P. Callaway, President,

presiding.

going to have

are

Hotel, San Francisco, Calif.,-

many

wonderful job.

there any further business to

before the meeting?

Deputy Manager Sargent:
President-elect Coles:

adjourned.

There is

Then
,

we

no

further business.

will consider the

meeting

,

[The meeting thereupon adjourned at 2:15 o'clock.]

I

DIVISION

SAVINGS

American Bankers Association
Francisco, Calif., Sept. 21, 1936

Thirty-Fifth Annual Meeting, Held at San

INDEX TO SAVINGS
Institutional Investor, by Rudolph J.

Problems of the

DIVISION PROCEEDINGS

Eichler..Page 59

Modern Conditions, by

Adaptation of Mortgage Lending to
Harold Stone

61

— ---

Problems of the
By Rudolph J. Eichler,

of

those normal questions that

course

develop in

conditions, with the huge

the institution under present

of

amounts

will continue to

business, plus the one problem that over¬
others-—What shall be the investment policy

any

all

shadows

or

cash lying idle on its

shelves ?

discussion on investments
If we had 25
or 30 hours to discuss this question, I do not believe it could
be solved to the entire satisfaction of anyone. Here/1 believe,'
The many

ramifications of

covered in

cannot be

a

25

or

any

30 minute talk.

answerable, each
institution shaping its policy according to its best judgment,
and, in some eases, with views that vary widely.
have

we

a

problem that is not definitely

well-informed

Certain
that

are

we

the

on

verge

individuals
of

an

in

this

country feel

extremely drastic inflation,

high-grade, fixed interest
bearing securities a very hazardous undertaking.
On the
other hand, there are others, equally well informed, whose
making the purchase of long-term,

belief and faith in the
have not

integrity of

our

dollar is such that they

policy of investing only in those

command the highest rating, regardless of
be

must

paid

to

conditions with so
It

seems

these views

It is

a

the premium that

obtain such obligations under
much credit available.

present

we

will find the answer to the furture for invest¬

the best investment policy must be to some

compromise between these two fields of thought.

quite obvious to me that we must to some extent

overboard

a

great deal of historical

throw

background when we

the future in an endeavor to ascertain
going to do.
financial services recently pointed out that:

attempt to peer into
what bond
One of

prices

our

are

If the British experience in
any

England's trade recovery can be taken as

America, the probability is that, even as
broadens and prosperity widens, corporations in\the

criterion of what to expect in

business

activity

aggregate will require

little new capital in the form of security flotations or

remain low, that bond prices
will remain high, that business will continue to benefit from low interest
rates, and that stocks will tend to capitalize dividends and earnings at
implications are that interest rates will

multiples.

Although it would be difficult for anyone to
the statement that at present

would be today if our
its huge
debt increase by the same methods that were utilized during
the war. Where would money rates be if the Government had
attempted its financing by orthodox methods, rather than
by inflationary methods? Here we have the borrower who
has been constantly paying less interest as his borrowings
increased.
Is it not sufficient to say that our present low
rates are artificial and repercussions from this false condition
Government had raised

be felt

must

To what degree these con¬

contradict

there would seem to be little

large extent tied in with

Government.
feel that each increase in govern¬

financial policies of our

future

Is it not reasonable to
mental debt by

the present methods of Government

adds to the hazards of
we

to accomplish

money

later?

or

sooner

the

ditions will be felt is of course to a

financing

the high grade bond market?

Can

requirements will have

that the raising of reserve

feel

long as this condition
credit structure

anything but a momentary effect as

remains ? We hear much of the danger to our
caused by the large

amount of our Government

bonds held

I believe the figure is something
60% of the total debt, but, obviously, the amount is of

by banking institutions.
over

staggering proportions.
concerned.

borrowing must
maintain low interest

It is evident that so long as more

be done, every

effort will be made to

those bonds.

on

I personally cannot see how this

hazard insofar as the banks themselves are

constitutes any

The ability of our Government to

conditions at very low interest rates is
all of us, and the means availaole to maintain

borrow under present
well known to

Government bond
It may

it is of

y

activity should De laid

the inflationary trend, a

to some extent to

financial

prices is of course also familiar.

be that our present business

result of present

Should this assume serious proportions,
questionable whether anything could stem the

policies.

course

insatiable demand for credit

which would result in higher
A large portion of

interest rates

and lower bond prices.

institutional

holdings

of

Government

obligations

are,

which must be taken
also the ability of the institution to take

however, of a fairly short-term nature,
into consideration;

If there is

This article went on to say:

generous

66

—-

Co., Los Angeles, Calif.

Government bonds to the Reserve

bank loans for some time to come.

The

Nominations

yourself where our money rates

Ask

rates

reasonable to suppose that somewhere between

ments, and that
extent

orthodox
securities that

departed in the slightest degree from the

investment

Report of Committee on

Member Bateman, Eichler &

institutional investor are
greater today than ever before, at least in the memory of the
present generation, is a trite statement.
These problems
cover

Address of President

Institutional Investor

that the problems of the

To say

Page 63
65

Animal, by Dr. Ray Lyman Wilbur—
Philip A. Benson
•

Man: A Saving

unable
interest

to

an

meet

Bank, if necessary.

might be
the
goundless fear, as

implication that the Government

these obligations at maturity or pay

when due,

this

seems

to be a

providing for payment of principal and interest does not
seem to me to be a problem.
If we knew that the Govern¬
ment

debt

were

going to be stabilized at around present

hope for a demand that

figures, I think we could all agree

credit

that it could be easily

handled, but at any rate, even

credit

would utilize any large portion of the
available, it is also true that the position of the
structure in this country aSd in Great Britain are

widely different in character.




credit do not

countries with the weakest
usually default on internal obligations.
The

problem is simply

in what kind of money they will pay,

60

BANKERS'

and this is
not the

A

institutional,

or

investor

an

inherently

are

borrower feels that money rates

tageous he is likely to experience for

are

a

whether

in¬

in

underwriting
the

obligations.
and

the

at

years,

investment

organization

issue

securities

suf¬

ficiently attractive to make them

successful in

funds from the investing public.

At the present time, with

the

plethora of idle funds,

rower's

market, where in

bringing out

have unquestionably

we

highest credit have been able

to

bor¬

a

corporations with the

some cases,

practically dictate their

terms.

own

was

financing of the General Motors Acceptance
interesting to me, as this corporation borrowed

$100,000,000

on

its 10-15

them, I think, slightly
was

1

or

obligations, the

year

money

costing

3%.

over

borrowing at the banks

I believe this corporation

on a

short-term basis at 134%

y2%.

Although it is unquestionably true that the vast majority
financing has absorbed little new money and has

been

principally of

slight

such

tendency

refunding nature, there has been

a

toward

a

betterment

this

of

a

condition.

Bethlehem Steel Corp.'s new issue, in the amount of about

$55,000,000, I think allots
struction.

In

about $40,000,000 for

addition, the demand for

con¬

from institu¬

money

tions for commercial purposes, I believe we

new

feel is be¬

can

banks

and

by statutes, in

district

bonds

the

issue

does

appraised value.
been

never

th^ invest¬

legal in this State when the amount

are

exceed

not

certain

a

percentage of the

As you know, the appraisal of real estate
exact

an

science, and experience has taught

that many real estate issues that

us

were

opinion, with the idea that

my

the standpoint of
protecting
policy of the savings institution.

Real estate bonds

has

were
were

legality would make the sale of such securities easier,

ment

of

who

Certain district obli¬

reclamation

rather than from

rate in character

were

sold

on

definitely second-

were

legal basis.

a

Securities in

this State have been sold, both to institutions and

prefacing remark

being:

"These

individuals,

bonds

have

been

certified

as

State."

Obviously, the Superintendent of Banks certified

legal

them because

investments

for

savings

they complied with the

be other States that have had the
to

seems

that

me

banks

There must

statutes.

same

experience, and it

uniformity of restrictions, if

some

this

in

neces¬

with greater latitude would be beneficial.

sary,

of reoent

irrigation

made legal

the

The recent

Corp.

savings

legal for savings bank investment.

long period of

time

same

by

great degree by the fact that these bonds

gations,

issue of bonds must endeavor to satisfy

an

borrower

An

a

opposing forces.

naturally inclined to issue long-term securities.
At
point, the lender should probably be more interested

short-term

purchased

were

influenced to

the most advan¬

he is
this

bonds, district bonds, irrigation district bonds and other
obligations

borrowing corporation and

a

bank and

a

institution.

dividual
If

question that affects the depositor of

a

CONVENTION.

Further, it

to

seems

that restrictions governing the

me

investment policies of banking institutions
imply a lack of

ability

the part of such institutions

on

and that there is

some

set of

to

judge investments

printed rules, compiled by wiser

heads, that will soundly guide the destinies of bank invest¬
I cannot agree with this

ments.

rule follows

same

troller of the

theory.

I believe that this

concerning the recent ruling by the Comp¬

Currency's office, that members

of the Reserve

coming slightly better.

Loans and discounts reported by

system may not purchase

member

Reserve

predominantly speculative, when below that standard

the

of

Federal

upward trend this

year

System

have

shown

an

for the first time since the depression.

Some months ago a number of
prominent eastern financial

authorities,

will remember, had

you

some

discussion

to

as

whether interest rates had reached their low
point and would
turn

these terms

used in

are

bond that is "distinctly and

a

rating manuals."

that this is any step forward in

solving the investment prob¬

lems for

banks, although I have

services

and

believe

that

no

quarrel with the rating

can

they

be used to advantage

higher, the net result being a decided difference of
opinion.
From a psychological standpoint, the buyer of

when tempered by

securities

purchaser

both listed and unlisted,
corporate,

refunding

ment.

at

present rates has

and this attitude is not

been

decreasing to

reluctant

a

any extent as

at lower rates continues.

Now, I should like
problems which I feel
Is there not
of

a

know how many issues of securities there

I think that

to touch

briefly

on a

few

more

normal

important to the institution:

are

is

we can

well

a

figure of,

sitting at

a

desk with

Why

sideration what has happened

savings bank must be restricted

investments and

not

have the

probably

in the

to

If

we

banking field than
agree

almost

the limitations

superhuman

more

enjoyed by

intelligence

and

a

cannot

foresight

to

the

in¬

Events of the past

however, I believe, have pretty well demonstrated

changing conditions.

I

believe, for instance, that the New York State law
provided a few years ago that bonds of a railroad corporation
for

legal if that corporation paid dividends at

a

stated period

position of
amounts

of

the

these

rate, it

its

common

bank

stock.

that

bonds, when

paying dividends?
any

on

savings

was

obvious that such

a

continue to pay dividends to

certain rate

What

was

the

substantial

corporations

The law, I believe,

seems

a

purchased

the

be

satisfactory than those

the commercial institutions with less
exacting restrictions ?

I believe it is safe to say

that in California the laws regulating
investments by savings banks have limited the investment
a

number

of




years,

point that has been harmful.

within

my

investment service

of

can,

No

corporation's

a

with

slide rule, successfully, in

degree

any

opinion,

my

Rating services take into

con¬

in the past, and rightfully

defaulting.
"Baa"

knowledge, real estate

rating of

same

Erie refunding 5s

pay

number of such instances

I have felt for

ment

some

the

a

were

rated

this.

larger financial

fundamental weakness in the invest¬

satisfactorily in

This may be

overcome.

instances, but I believe

some

majority of institutions, the officer in charge of

investment

of any

as

time that, even in the

policy that is rather difficult to

that in the

mortgage

its interest throughout the depression.

institutions, there is
surmounted

the

time, did not prevent this issue from

There

any

in

1928, did not prevent them from

continuing to
are

bond

a

Chicago-Northwestern general

The fact that
the

at

the

forecast

rated "Aaa" in

institution.

Have the investment results of the
savings bank portfolios,
under these restrictions, been more

For

a

to

that

fact
were

changed; but at

corporation might

keep its bonds within the legal

a

The

bonds

investment

best served by cessation of such dividends.

policy of such institutions to

attempt

stopped

category, when the interests of the bondholders would

of

no

future.

that it is not possible to have statutes which will
not become
obsolete or impracticable due to

were

using

dictate investment policies.

apparent to those

necessary, we must attribute

dividuals who draw up such statutes.
few years,

types of

in the investment business.

one

are

latitude

same

commercial institution is

to certain

govern¬

100,000 to 200,000,

a copy

earning statement and balance sheet,
of accuracy,

a

I do not

in this country,

municipal and
say,

imagine that

Association concerning the various laws
regulating
investment by savings banks and
savings departments?
your

are

capable of correctly rating all of these securities.

young man,

great field for study by the Savings Division

the judgement of the investor.

Taking at random

as

I do not believe

portfolio has

committee
It is

his

the

or

actions reviewed

executive

committee

by
of

an

the

extremely difficult to guide the destinies

investment account without full

power

to act, unless

those individuals with whom you confer have a wide knowl¬

edge of

stitution,

securities.

purchasing

or

Edison 334s,

type.

In considering investments for his in¬

the investing officer

be

can

little^criticized for

submitting to his committee,
or

Illinois Bell 334s,

or

say,

Rated "Aaa" there is little possibility of

in this rating, nor in the

New York

other issues of this

ability of the

any

change

to satis¬

company

factorily service the bonds, under practically all conditions.
Such

obligations assuredly

high-grade investment

may

account.

well form
Of

;

course

a

part
the

of any

investing

SAVINGS
officer

probably realizes that under present conditions he is

paying

If you were

in his position,

rated "Aaa," but would

were

If the

purchase when they

within the past year or so

counter

I think that

having

one

iota upon the

any

banker, and,

as

one

a

more

many

a

exacting business,

very

will, and it is pretty difficult to

in your mind

to govern

portfolio,

seen

institutional

bentures,"
type

investors

or,

said,

will

a

ployed.

if they wish to keep their funds

markets, when the demand for

money

even

the

believe, however, that

factory and profitable to

many

institutions and

can

definitely

very

balanced

a

investment organiza¬
other business,

conditions

in

Many investment institu¬

this situation is likely to

with the consent of both

have,

clients, established

fees

or

be

must

profit to the organization

practice

a

paid when bonds

are

recom¬

purchased for the account of the buyer

are

organization making the recommenda¬

in

advisory

an

is dependent

course

The success of this

manner.

close cooperation with an

upon

able investment organization which will
of your

have full knowledge

portfolio and needs.

I commend this

I

bond account has been very satis¬

a

by them

account

plan of

This is

familiar to all of you, and the reason for it is obvious.

I

banking

tion, which compensates them, at last in part, for handling

in normal

increases.

to

suggestions.

normal

judgment,

without profit to the

em¬

elsewhere has in the

past found these bonds selling at lower prices,

their

mended

It is pretty obvious that the institution which buys

bonds when it cannot loan its money

under

whereby service charges

substantial purchasers of bonds in the future than they

have been in the past

have

upon some

individual and institutional

buyers

Some authorities feel that institutions must become

at best.

depend

tions in the country, realizing that

I have heard many

man

suggestion.

operated for profit, and it must naturally follow that

restrict

word about the bond account.

you must

making such recommendations.

"we will not buy thi3 type of security or that

of obligation."

Now,

trained

a

wish to purchase and a

you

securities that carry at least some

de¬

buy

not

exactly the security

recommendations

did not sound well and other

bankers criticize bonds and have found them reluctant

more

must be

securities turned down without any
name

"We

and

The investment business, as well as any

seem

have

a

a

great deal in the past few years.

a

tion for recommendations and

the opinion of banks regarding the desirability of
I have

in

institution, whose size will not permit the

investment department

pretty well conceived idea about building yourself

A

Often preconceived ideas regarding securities

examination because

should be built up

When you purchase bonds, unless you

factorily.
securities.

an

business, has learned

both fields satis¬

cover

price of bonds purchased.

reserves

believe that the investment business, as well as the

profession if

or

institutions

some

policy of using profits from

a

handle its portfolio, I should like to make a

$100,000 worth of bonds.
and practical experience.

of study

years

time when

For the smaller

formation of

as a

knowledge of investment securities is attained only

banker also has

the losses that the bond

provide in the future ? I think

recently adopting

ever was a

Are these

profits to current earnings.

bond account, it seems to me that now is that time.

to whether he

as

certain

provide

certainly

Many institutions have in the

bonds sold to write down the cost

is decidedly different

thousand dollars than

been

If there

interested in whether he should

should buy a certain block of

you

have

manage

He views credits

You should not

taken substantial profits from bond accounts

year or so

account may

friend of mine in the banking business

recently stated, he is
loan John Jones

cases,

point of view.

should

you

institutions going to moan over

ability of the banker, I believe it is fair

that his viewpoint, in most

and

in your account.

and credited these

Without reflecting

institution of size.

than the investment

after

past

emphasize the importance

trained along investment lines to

a man

portfolio of

A full

amortization;

salary would

your

bond account ? You should

than the going rate for money.

reserves

take these chances?

one

should not fail to

we

the

to say

the bargain

were on

definitely unsatisfactory might happen to

and why shmiW

you,

properly handled and given a

expect to get a higher rate of interest from your bond

account

continue, but if it did not turn out successfully,
very

if

expect to buy premium bonds without providing for their

and rated only "Ba?"

purchase turned out satisfactorily,

course

something

of

not

not be disinclined to attempt to induce your committee

to concur in their

institutions

most

What should you expect from a

would probably have had

you

mortgage 5s in 1928, when they
you

for

chance.

hestitancy in submitting New York Central refunding

no

of

so

premium for this credit.

a

61

DIVISION.

thought to

you, as

I really feel that money

spent for fees covering service charges cannot help but react
to the ultimate success of

be made

a

bank's

portfolio.

Adaptation of Mortgage Lending to Modern Conditions
By Harold Stone, President
In

Savings Banks Association of the State of New York, New York City

introducing Mr. Stone, President Benson said:

gages

It is my pleasure now to present to you a man whom I have counted a

personal friend for

He is the President of

many years.

Association in the State of New York.

our

Savings Bank

York,
of

our

Bank

In September, 1935,

we

made him, by unanimous choice, President

New York Association.
for

a

President.

number

He

came

of

years,

He has
as

to the bank

as

connected with the

been

trustee

and

as

He

as

was a

Director of Operations of the United States Employment Service in Wash¬

ington during the

war.

i

I

am

assuming in this talk to

you

about mortgage lending

that the problems in New York State do not differ
from

the

those of other States

same

and

fundamentally

very

widely

In the last few

years

much

We who

once

against

our

come

to be very little

lenders and property

thought of ourselves exclusively

will, become property

have had to interest ourselves
ment of property

more

owners.

as

owners.

lenders have

Therefore,

definitely in the

this is admittedly
utilize instalment

and in those matters which jointly affect

ownership and mortgage lending.

Outside of large bond issues, such

a

railroad mortgage

reasonably

attractive terms

merchandise;

very

possibly

be

to

our

perman¬

possible

are

might

we

H.

as

public.

citizen should be able to purchase
he buys

a vacuum

cleaner

or an

a

home

as

automobile,"

Brown, President of the Johns-Manville

Corp.,

speaking from the point of view of the construction industry
recently told the New York State Bankers Association.
One

of

considerations

the first

which

strikes

me

as

of

paramount importance is a trend in real estate which makes
a

vast difference to

will recall with

house

was

built to

us

as

me,

serve

lenders,

as

a

mortgages secured by income producing property, and mort¬

of

a

am sure

that most of

home not only for the present

generation but for generations to
location,

I

for instance, those days when a

bonds, the mortgage field is divided into two major parts—




a

proper

may

leaf from the book of modern merchandizers to bring

"The average

Lewis

government

as

home for cash, but
believe it

we

There is

more

this fact to the attention of the

you

as

impractical, and

than with shorter-lived

take

well

as

buying in this field, whatever

home, and

important

citizens and tends to

our

industry,

opinion of using it elsewhere.

we

manage¬

the morale of
and

more

The extent of home-ownership

whole.

I wish each family might buy a

conveniently

there has

distinction between mortgage

\

itself.

type of thinking is required in all sections of the

country if they are to be solved.

\

■

as a

commerce

ent value in a

Mr. Stone's address follows:

f

governs

stabilize

Savings

and finally

attorney

counsel in the practice of law.

country

largely

He is Mr. Harold Stone and his chief

job is that of President of the Onondaga Savings Bank of Syracuse, New

The latter is the

secured by homes.

to the

come.

There

was a

stability

willingness for generation after generation to

62

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

remain not only

in possession of the original property but

actual tenants of it

as

well.

disappear, at least in

We have

large number of people to
lives

entire

there

At the

away.

time, there

was on

the whole

formerly by

move

number of other considerations.

a

representation

tax limitation statute.

his

rule try to

acquire and maintain

place beyond

a

means.

final solution of

today from those earlier conditions. We have in this country
mobile population.

more

6,000,000 of

a

very

short time

automobile trailers.

Other estimates

higher.

are

any

rate, with the great increase in industrial employment as

changed and

jobs shift,

occupancy,

plant locations

of the population.

we see a mass movement

have in mind such effects upon communities as has

caused by the

are

I

been

shifting of cotton manufacturing from New

England to the South and of shoe manufacturing from the
East to the Middle West.

Such

hayp

moves

undeniable

an

this

real

on

^

the

has

reached

authorities

seems

to be

no

that property owners themselves

years

a

house

was

conveniences.

house and with the

a

But the plight of these property pwners has
become increasingly evident to mortgage lenders, not only
because they have had to acquire real estate due to unpaid

many

is

answer

a

situation to be faced.

believed

adoption of

open

plumbing there

done

many

years

struction.

Today, however, obsolescence is rapid.

so

so

have

found

ample

consideration of

improved heating systems, of insulation, of air-conditioning,

approach

have

seen

great deal of research in the field of prefabricated houses.

a

Obsolescence in any field is
and whereas
life of 50
that

or a

a

house in the old days was constructed for a"

properties not nearly of that

some

a

interested in these

are

find

ourselves

must

with

old

properties

on

hands

our

eventually be sold in competition with

more

of

which
modern

homes.

ations

which

future.
of the

What

will

govern

are

we

look for? Will mobility

Will rentals be

and

have
The

attractive

more

ownership ? Will the present rate of improvement

in construction be maintained, and will the
more

the consider¬

sound mortgage lending in the

developments must

population increase ?

than home

importance

more

conveniences?

public demand

If so, what effect will that

mortgage loans made for long periods of years?

on

tendency today

to

seems

be toward making 20-year

mortgage loans rather than mortgage loans for

period,
State,

or
a

as

has for

form of open mortgage, which has meant

manent" mortgage.

loans

a

on

It

may

well be proper to

a

"per¬

arrange new

basis of annual amortization which will at least

a

of

of

to need

These questions seem to me

the very careful study and

attention of mortgage

lenders.
I

some

figures which perhaps illustrate that the

"permanent" mortgage
not

was

total mortgage loans of

the

through 1930,

$58,000,000.

one

of

our

banks had

The net loss for those

$81,000—less than 1-200 of 1%

following five

years

out of

a

per year.

total investment of

$37,000,000 it has charged off $1,400,000.




However, it has been easier for
or

Assuming the

our

at least to start

have acquired collectively

great

a

been placed at the disposal

may

be in order.

a

These

few States

are

word

a

purely mutual

earnings

All

to the depositors in the form of interest

go

There

are

about six and

a

or

half million

depositors in the 135 institutions in New York State.- Then-

deposits equal about one-tenth of the bank deposits of the
country.

Of approximately six billions of

three and

a

there

are

resources

invested in mortgages

about

and real

in^the whole country

about 33H billions of mortgages, which if true,

shows the mutual
own

are

have heard it stated that

I

estate.

half billions

savings banks of New York State alone

nearly 10% of all mortgage-investments.

Among

our

information
govern

cooperative efforts I might mention specific

on

neighborhood and community trends, which

not only a bank's policy with reference to the sale of

acquired real estate but particularly the granting of
mortgages in such

one

recently witnessed, in

common

are

inexperienced and look

upon

Often

this field merely

in which to make

quick profits.

that

materials used, the inferior work¬

the type of

Frequently,

manship and the financial backing has been such

highly speculative loan for
a

with other

considerable amount of speculative building.

the builders

found

might best influence the type of building being

We have

areas, a

new

We have taken steps to consider

areas.

the property an unsound investment for any

In the 30 years, 1901

In

suitable in the earlier days, but

suitable today.

30 years was about

satisfaction that this method of

bankers, but rather should represent

we

additions to surplus.

as

have

own

institutions managed by trustees without compensation.

done.

but also from these

in

effort

tremendous force. It should not, however,

a

savings banks exist in only

explanation

how lenders

outside forces of obsolescence.

cooperative

banks.

our

As mu+ual

approximate the depreciation and reduction in value which
alone from normal usage,

for

mortgage and real estate problems, and

rolling, and

results

not

in the mutual savings bank field

deal of information which has

shorter

been customary in New York

years

have
have

cooperation of all institutional lenders if it is to reach its

of the

But perhaps of even greater

we

greatest effectiveness.

us

lenders and
we

the ball

many

as

we

savings banks alone to operate together,

equipment.

associates

clear that this

decades and which

many

have great

age now

developments because

be

can

our

be limited to savings
the

my

directly

our sorrow

public which has become conscious

desire for the most modern construction and

a

We

factor to be reckoned with,

100 years, I think we have found to

difficulty in attracting
of

a

us

nor

seems

ownership in which

opportunity

have proven to our

of electrical conveniences and

we

but it

and realize

Just what the

much to foster.

the development of the use of fireproof materials, of vastly

sanitation, and

great deal closer

years

neither I

say,

It affects

thoroughly for

In New York State

con¬

We have

prepared to

are

affects the entire fabirc of home

advances in heating methods and the

for

the present time

at

in New York
is

come a

borrowers during these trying

struggles which they have undergone.

some

were

an

high taxes.

exception of

relatively few major improvements in this type of

had, if they chose,

opportunity to make known at the polls their opposition to

the

During the early

the part

appalling advances.

themselves large property owners, and'I think their attitude
was

homes.

provement in home construction and home

real progress on

recently mortgage lenders took
active interest in the subject of taxation. They were not

to

and that is the tremendously rapid im¬

many

I cannot recall that up to
any

another is not conducive to the purchase and maintenance of

us,

point in

real estate has been

toward halting the

taxes, but also because they have

There is another phase of this same question which is of

The burden of

the

own

effect upon the values of real estate and upon home owner¬
ship generally, for the prospect of moving from One place to

importance to

a

general

no

It is not only that the present burden is

high, but that there
of

it, there is

particular problem.

estate

seriously curtailed.

some

At

As I understand

communities where the desire to

population will be living exclusively in

our

against farm

taxation

I believe Roger Babson, the

statistician, predicts that within

the part of many substantial citizens for

on

that limitation of tax rate statutes holds the

agreement

I think you will all agree that there is a substantial change

a

In New York

State during the past year we have had a very vigorous

a con¬

not

a

of

be traced to the factors

with the general effects of the depression.
We find ourselves today much more closely affected than

siderable modesty on the part of the home owner, who did
as

can

which I have mentioned, but their effect has been felt along

their homes and spend their

own

total loss, it is equivalent to about %

a

Not all of this loss

a year.

was

But it

though the children might

even

same

on

1%

the part of a very

part of the country.

our

followed in turn by a definite desire

charge-off to be

as

that day gradually

seen

any

institution.

as

we

have

to make

buyer and

Let

me

tell

a

you

little story.

Some 15 years ago

couple bought

a

in

one

of our up-State cities

a young

two-family house, expecting to rent the

lower floor and occupy the upper

themselves.

They knew

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about

much about

as

dividual.
It

One of their

There

to the basement.

to

only

play. The

single-handed
so-called

was

grand piano,

was a

one

the

a

far

so

public—I might

add

even

of the other

some

only to

public
against the purchase of improperly constructed properties,

protect mortgage lenders, but to protect the buying

We do not want in this country a class of
out of bitter

suitable

experience

marked effect upon

We have recently

a

home is not a

extend

interest should

Our

investment.

people who have

believe that

come to

homes and to all buildings

the construction of which will

neighborhoods and

had in New York City

a

number of workmen. Those apparently
under indictment.
in proper

But

surely

building have

ourselves in

our

mortgages,

ghastly illustration

some

we

who

responsible

are

are now

vitally interested

splendid opportunity to interest

a

constructive way

Par-

in this problem.

ticularly does the situation point the need of much more
and

painstaking inspection by lenders.

we now

have two substantial engineering

controlled by and

closely

very

structure is

available to

faulty in

any way

had

also

an

interesting experience in recent

selected

in which there

was

instrumentality

to the benefit of

have

we

of

two

more

public interest

combined weight through

corporation

wholly

owned by

are

probably

some

It does mean, however, that there
opportunities for constructive thinking in

order that large amounts of funds in the hands of the public
be made available for proper development.

may

realistic

scale

own

their

were

properties

In addition

eyes.

prices where

We believe

of those who

making

of

the

on

acquire
we

ship.
We have discovered
we may

one source

have

we

verge

of

additional

In this

way

helped to maintain the status of neighborhoods

which is all important to property values.
have given

of trouble, which I hope

I think that savings banks

avoid in the future.

contributed much to the development of our State by making
loans to help build

up

the communities served by them,

But there came a period when deposits in our banks
increased more rapidly than the local demand for mortgage
loans, and in

attempt to acquire earning assets they

an

beyond their immediate territories.
Loans
from home ground have proven much less satis-

reached out
made

away

factory than those made in areas whose conditions were

wholly familiar—I think we shall in the future be wary of
distant loans.
I might suggest

an

apparent anomaly in the general method

so.

Should mortgage interest rates

take into consideration the amount of equity which the
owner
run,

has invested, the length of time which the loan is to

the type of neighborhood, the type of construction, and

so on

? Might mortgage lenders more readily influence sound

construction, higher equities, larger amortizations, by giving
premiums therefor ? Admittedly

a

great deal more attention

knowlThat
increase in work might be considered wise provided the
not only a thorough knowledge of the property, but

edge of the credit position of the borrower as well.

additional safety is commensurate with it.
I have not told

have transferred

the property itself in good condition.

have also

I have no

definite recommendations to suggest, but this subject is
worthy of the serious attention of institutional lenders in the
interests of sound real estate development and owner-

perhaps has been paid in the past, which would presuppose

a

properties to individual ownership at fair prices and

have put

much about the real estate situation in

you

New York State. It is showing definite signs of improvement

there

as

elsewhere, but those signs of improvement in them-

selves impose a responsibility on lenders who are interested in

In order to do this

the safety and yield of their own investments and who are

much cooperative thought to the question of

interested also in the protection of the public against un-

rehabilitation and
would

in many other States, our

present owners and the entire community,

by

value in their

then

evidence of

our

highly uncertain before.

were

it

and

one

some

a

established

the courage

we

as

would have to be paid to the individual mortgage than

bolstered

we

State,

have stimulated the real estate market

we

losing

many

first

buying, and by using

savings banks,

prices

our

rate charged for the loan is affected by the risk. In mortgage

cooperative selling of real estate acquired by

and

In

the loan commitment is not

if

We

the

lending business.

of mortgage lending. In almost any other sort of lending the

and

months in the

the

other fields in which cooperative research

are many

lending that has not been

have

toward

There

the

construction,

institutions.
areas

to appropriate areas

is almost essential if we are to have a sound mortgage

savings banks to follow

our

under

properties

In New

departments,

fulfilled.

We

as

low cost housing.

beyond

improper building which resulted in the loss of life to a

York

mendations

research

such areas, and recomin which to establish

any one or to any group.
action of that sort among our

some

the verge of undertaking a movement not

are on

careful

to the proper and economic use of

as

guaranteed mortgage companies. It is neither my purpose
nor my function to attribute the blame for these failures to

requisite for a

savings banks which shall be State wide, and I believe that

of

perhaps owners, should

be able to bring to bear opinions backed by actual

piece of property in that city which does not qualify

We have considered

a

the provision of low cost

are

real estate situation has been complicated by the failure of

savings bank mortgage loan.

have

Certainly lenders, who

it is almost impossible

under the minimum standard of construction

we

stance, about slum clearance and

housing.

possible,

as

It took time and hard work to

lenders—but it has worked, and today
to sell

public reaction,

all those who liked

among

campaign to wipe out

a

fell through

savings bank in that city undertook,

"jerry-building."

educate

immediate

an

their friends but

among

fair

see

the ordinary in-

as

moved into the second floor and promptly

was

not

buying houses

wedding presents

63

DIVISION.

we

have urged it in those cases where it

produce additional income

economic investments and in the

proper

ment of their own communities.

improve salability.

or

The

and logical developmessage

I have to

'

If
of

one

lets his

cooperative action there

for research which will

It is

community.

this question

bring to you today is merely the suggestion that a thorough-

innumerable- opportunities

going knowledge of our problems, much of which can only

imagination wander

my

be

are

little

a

on

profitable to lenders and to the

observation that

larger cities

our

particularly afford splendid opportunities for highly
structive cooperative work.

We hear

a

con-

great deal, for in-

be acquired through cooperation, will do more than anything
else to put mortgage lending and the real estate investment of

hundreds of thousands of

Man: A Saving
By Dr. Ray Lyman Wilbur,
In
We

honored this afternoon to have

President of
is President
He is

a

one

of California's great

of Stanford University.

former

as

a

speaker

universities.
He

was

on

the

a

a

well-

He received his A. B. and A. M. degrees from Stanford

number of universities, including the University of California,

Duke, Princeton, New York and Yale.

Dr. Wilbur has been President of

Stanford University since 1916, except for that time when he was Secretary
of the Interior in the cabinet of President Herbert Hoover.




a

wholly satis-

Animal

President

Stanford University

on

Illiteracy.

He is

a trustee

of Rockfeller Foundation and of the General

Education Board.

born in the State of Iowa.

University, his M. D. at the Cooper Medical College, San Francisco, and
LL.D. from

on

Health and Protection and Chairman of the Natiopal Advisory Committee

our program

Dr. Hay Lyman Wilbur

Secretary of the Interior of the United States and is

known educator.

citizens

Dr. Wilbur was Chairman, also, of the White House Conference on Child

introducing Dr. Wilbur, President Benson stated:
are

our

factory basis.

Dr.

Wilbur:

President Benson,

In outlining certain

things about

Ladies and Gentlemen:
my

past, your chairman

forgot my qualification which makes it possible for me to

speak here today.

I

was

one

National bank for 8 to ,10 years.

of the directors of
I did not learn

a

small

very

much

about banking, but I did learn
farther away

the

CONVENTION.

BANKERS'

64

more

onejthing and that is, the

the corporation is to which
about it.

you worry

heard here today, that worry

I

lend

money,

by the talks I have

can see

still

you

a

that he has been able to conquer
think the Swedes

Where do you

the world.

the Norwegians or

or

the Finns would be

today if they had not been saving animals?
have

settled

the

would have

congregated around those quarters of the world

where conditions
of

are

they lived

on

in the

Marquesans

on

They had

one

cannibalism.

thing

was

the trees, and fish in the

They developed fine physiques and got along

sea.

of living.

way

balmy islands where there

ample supply of food, fruit

an

I think the

seasons.

of the most reliable setups

one

For centuries

well.

might object to, and that

you

very

was

They ate their old people in emergencies, and

their enemies when feasible.

This carried them

Instead of

eating

and

save

our

old people,

but in the vaults

get our citizens

of themselves in

care

It

if they

was as

they got only

The basis of

family; but there is danger

management of

of

groups

and

men

goes

superior

adequate control of

an

stability
will be

that those who

so

protected from

savings must

In the

Los

Angeles Museum there is

bones of animals and birds found in

collection of the

a

bitumen pit.

a

These

This all

group

social

of

that

We

found
are

roamed

years ago

over

the plains of the South¬

the

skulls

of the

of

California.

In

others died.

These gopher skulls

pocket-gophers.

variety that

same

Why?

other

we now

the

words,

were

find in

many

survived;

gophers

Because the gopher is

parts of

the

diseases

what

has

The human
and

it

possible for him to

go

through

family has its

and downs—its droughts

ups

If

savings

we may

sure

meet

that

we

develop methods

can

do

well

as

the pocket-gopher, but I

as

all smart

we are

enough to do

conditions better than

many

we

inevitable that

off their

own

just

young

scramble about for

as soon as

they

themselves; and each

with him the urge to save

They drive

carries

young one

and the fear of owls, skunks, and

hawks.
we

have built

up our

civilization, apd each

generation adds something that the next
chooses.
of

Thus

build

can

upon

if it

keep advancing and accumulating stores

we

food, buildings, bridges, roads, factories, and

progress

depends largely

upon a very

—and that is that the old bet
reward the old for the

use

on

Our

so on.

simple business method

the young, and the young

of their

savings by

some

form of

Governments must do
of the human family.

avoid

of them.

their immediate

by various procedures, and
that the losses

so

It

wars.

seems

Their after-effects
consequences.

are

we can

build

up

not too great.

suffi¬

But the

being has another quality which we call obstinancy.

our

starts into

once

Consequently

savings and mortgaged

our

we

a

conflict he does

have usually used

future before peace is

made.
In this country we are now

We and

war.

this

large debt for

long time to

a

individual management

long period of

in the midst of paying for

of

mass

years

come.

It will take good

by tens of millions of people

without

up

with the idea that the

the

individual

person

We

can

looking out for himself is

look back in history and see

how such civilizations have failed, time after time,

only

mass can

way a

made

over a

just to get the back costs paid.

people is big enough to take care of everybody

doomed to failure.

in the

a

children's children will be busy handling

our

up

People

make mistakes, and terrible mistakes.

The

satisfactory nation can be built up is to have it

with good self-management.

of units

In other

words, each must look out for himself and contribute to the

payment.
That is capitalism.
accumulated

The old have worked and worked and

something.

They

say

"Take

to the young,

this something and go to work with it with all your energy
and time and
up

as

Any civilization that is built

Through saving

periodically, is most

It destioys life and savings

us to

see more

The result is that when he

all

diseases, which is

mass

comes

We

as group

certain amount of insurance against these

up

big enough to

are

shall

we

carry a

reserves

human

act in groups,

be classified

can

of mankind.

costly and damaging

conflicts

largely with

various methods

our

we can

steady advance in the fortunes

can

goes

managed and led,

to avoid this disease of war if we are to have

am

They do not

do.

congregate into groups that destroy, as we do.

can

not know when to stop.

The gophers

so.

which

We call it "War."

our

of handling

that

Perhaps it is beyond hope for

cient

floods, its panics and booms, its periods of plenty and of

starvation.

not

made

droughts and survive.

so

damage to all of those who have been thrifty.

they

We

This

so

One of these

disorders.

It is the greatest enemy

a

I

entirely independent.

increase in numbers, and

our

or

does

are as

successive

Our rise and fall

terrible intensity and

of

as

destroyed,

question of management:

If the herd is not well

developed certain faults that

saving animal.

roots.

experience

Herd animals have advantages but

great risks.

developing civilization

He stores in the ground both seeds and leaves, and can eat

a

a

the individual members of it cannot be

destructive.

Among these bones of extinct creatures there

an

management through government and all forms

run

and

100,000

If they fear that their

desire to spend.

a

down, then, to

herd animals.

are

only remnants of the sabre-toothed tigers, the giant

a

feel that their savings

year to year.

agencies; and, second, individual management

Along with
of

one

The first

savings result from the handling of the affairs of persons.

the camels, and other animals and birds that 50,000

or

as

provide that security and that
save can

there develops

comes

the

west.

building and had left

the risk of having such

run

and in its place

cranes,

are

a

have just indicated, the spirit of saving is often

have

environment.

good, because

stable condition of society.

a

function of all society is to

that of the herd.

large numbers unless, along with it, there

few pieces of gold, a few

paper was no

going forward with these savings from

tion to the immature and the aged and
vast increase in size in the human

a

The

paper.

had burned down

step to the next is

they also

in

of wealth from these

sources

salvage only the distorted nails and pieces of metal.

This saving habit, combined with trans¬

a

They thought

they had destroyed all its value by the change in government.

portation, invention, and public health, has offered protec¬

has made possible

the Russian

over

the high figures those banks reported,

seen

jewels, and pieces of

First,

we try to

thereby be able to take

their later years.

When the Bolsheviks took

They had

&c.;

enterprises,

structure in civilization that is depend¬

on a

going to have great

were

banks.

food

over

shortage and prevented over-population.
to

they

the temperature mild and a supply

easy,

food available at all

have had

If not, the human race

to save.

ours

In fact, we

largely because of this

temperate zones

peculiar capacity of

depend

Empire they acquired ownership of the banks.

It is due to this quality of his

saving animal.

representing partial ownership of

but all

able and sound.

goes on.

Dr. Wilbur's address follows:
Man is

Savings have taken all sorts of forms—buildings, pieces of
paper

giye

me a return

something and

go

for its use.

ahead."

That is

Then
the

build

you

capitalistic

group;

then the

group can care

the weak, the old, and
We

the

can measure

of those who take

heart of such

a

quality of

care

for the immature, the sick,

the unfit.
a

civilization by the number

of themselves.

We

can measure

civilization by the numberlshat are

the

allowed

to ride on the rest

because they are too old, unoapable, or

newspaper or a business he will find that he must use the

unwilling to work.

Right

savings of

to carry a

eystem.

or

If

you

take

someone,

any young

either his

by "hiring the money"

as

fellow who wants to

own

by work

or

run a

inheritance

Calvin Coolidge used to

say.

some

hard times; but

Perhaps in these times he might get the Government to let
him have this something, for which they collect the
;

gophei*
"Go

of others through taxes.




savings

io

we

now

in this country

great burden of this kind.

trying

perhaps if we go back to the poeket-

shall be able to get the answer.

the ant,

we are

It is giving civilization
Instead of saying

thou sluggard" we can say, "Go to the

pocket-gopher, thou waster!"

At any rate, look the pocket-

SAVINGS

gopher
that

If

over.

we

imitate him there is

we can

good chance

a

hold together what we have and can keep

can

that

country—the dignity of not riding

is what has made

That

the rest.

on

America, and that is what

want to see

we

in the future.

There

in the fall should there be

his whole

harvest, relying

One

sells

or

consumes

else to

on someone

for him and to hold back

the seed

save

margins against drought and dis¬

The other always lays aside a

aster.

a

We have reached the stage now

rely

More and

of

more

people

many

care.

again think in terms of self-

must

us

when too

their protection and

the government for

upon

again

failure.

crop

add

management, so that each can do his share and each can
kinds of farmers.

two

are

that in the spring he can sow again—and even eat

so

dignity of personality that is important to the vitality of
any

65

DIVISION.

little

wheat

corn or

the power of

to

help.

There is

by which

no way

and have it.

those who need

the government to protect

survive.

harvest

we can consume our

Only by saving

kind of

our

can

country

a

_

Committee / Officers* Reports-Savings Division
Address of

President, Philip A. Benson, President Dime
Savings Bank of Brooklyn, Brooklyn, N. Y.
Outlook

deposited

Savings
1935,

indicate

ended

banks

tor Savings

amounted

June

30,

Thirty-four
deposits

a

years

amounted

increase

800%.

Savings depositors in

now

number

more

While

for

the

issued

of

existing

An

New

On

July

2.84%.

June 30,

all

of

in

all,

recent report
shows de¬

A

$10,020,013,775,, a
of bank, while

type

in the

the

rate

regardless

it

present time

of

of these

doubt

no

The

the

of

extent

its

to

be

must

emergencies
While

is

limited

are

could

some

pay

desires

that

is

better

on

the

protected

confidence
that

funds

positors'

bank

the

interest

the

excess

such

have

a

in

Insurance

of banks, such

bank

be

safely

rest

and

the

on

wisely

the

that

and

that

de¬

capital

contemplating the outlook for davings we are bound to consider the
record of progress made by life insurance companies.
In 1902 there were
about
17,500,000 life insurance policies outstanding, representing insur¬
of

latest

ing
in

$10,500,000,000

figures

in

1935

force

These
cies

of

policies

include

assets

not only

and

$2,092,000,000.

of

life insurance

force numbering

in

$100,000,000,000,

over

by

that the

of

assets

companies

124,000,000,

over

report¬

insurance

$23,000,000,000.

over

ordinary policies but

also

than

more

is

half

900%

over

in

the

of

total

34 years.

population

Thus,

social

of

industrial

the

security

poli¬

The

country.

is

not

new

in

country!

savings banks, working as trustees for the people's savings with¬
capital stock, rtarted in this country in 1816—120 years ago.
In the
of all right-thinking
leaders, the principle of social security is

minds

deeply rooted.
the

other

the habit

of

understand

has

tion

himself,

The principle that

fellow

thrift

and

saving

have adhered

we

himself";

inculcate in

to

that he would

so

to has been to

the

come

not
nor

has

such

methods

it

work

developed

for

him.

complete

latter

leading

conversely

The

annals

failures!

to

the

The

dry

through
of

every

human

former

to

shielding

men

from

man

of sentimentality,

rot

who

doing

delfshiness,

which

said:

so

A
must

that

id

facility-for doing
government,

in

of

the weak

"The

strong

recent

and

ulti¬

helping themselves,

and

our

life

to

independent,

strengthen

and

benefit

and economic policy,

thus

strengthening the

thrift

cradle

resources

of

the

popular




em¬

taxes

is

by

and

the

be

3%
in

independently

and to

which

bring

to

as

a

for

beyond

goes

strained

of

employer,

result

individual

so

his

in

of

the

thus

a

goes

whether

is

initial amount

study

should

we

the recent Federal Social Security

Figures
will

for

a

by

Act

invested

States

bonds

of

is that

reserve

is,

Senate

This

the

United

to be

are

therefore,

pocket will pay interest to the other pocket!

one

the

but to

$47,000,000,000.

in

in

are

expenditures,

obligations do not exist they
interest.
The government will,

3%

have

may

the Act

the United
of

reserve

be

that

under

current

used

be

must

result

the

contributions

provide

indeed,

its

the interest will make
character

true

the

plan

phrase—"self-sustaining!"

alluring

an

doubt about

any

subject is
It

is

the whole

that

at

It

once.

will

be

plan

of

a

dangerous.

fund

reserve

should

Furthermore,

careful

inconsistencies and injustices.

many

belief that there is nothing so good and whole¬
a
system of private savings and the habits of

as

foresight that will
system

a

and

unnecessary

my

country

lead

alone

paternalism

the

to

creation of one's

reserve.

own

strength and independence

comes

and

free¬

and

the grave.

these

expressing

have,

logically should

beliefs
some

pensation

small

possible.

There must, of

and

enough

The growth of

aged.
no

I

one,

am

banks

in

induce obtaining profitable
be

a

$6,500,000,000

in

000,000

upward.

and

work

provision for the

soon

as

as

the needy

care

of

that

see

we

com¬

this

is done,

quarrel with it.

there

is

large amount of savings not deposited

a

profitably

in

January,

employed.

all money

this year

I

refer

to

figures

outside the United

1933.

Since

total

showing

States

Treas¬

other

figures.

on

demand deposits

in

140

net

outside New

41.7

in

average

in

This

decline,
year

York

increased

centers

1927.

that

so

In

22.4.

to

the

New

again

to

$5,289,-

the

tendency has been
$5,882,000,000, and in June

was

York

are

more

The velocity

the annual rate of turnover based
accounts—to

however,

total of $6,241,000,000.

a

of money in circulation

with

dropped

It

then,

1935 the

of

it reached

The figures

February,

1934.

By the end

connection

the

member

Oity, indicate

February,
1935

significant when taken in
bank

of

deposits—that

relation of deposits

an

22.1,

It has
and

for

figure of 35

average

1929.

was

City the figures

is,

to Individual

banks, from the figures
since

in

shown

July

of

in
a

this

striking.
The high
an average of 71.5 for the years 1927 to 1932,
down to 24.5 for 1935 and 20.9 for July of this year.
are

more

March, 1929, 122.5, and

inclusive, has
It

have,

insurance with

1930

over

in

will

we

after deducting money held by Federal Reserve banks and agencies.
money in circulation averaged about $4,500,000,000.
It rose to

ury

of

that

social consciousness will

in circulation—that is,

money

add

must

course,

will

sure,

otherwise

or

I

system of unemployment

to

our

Statistics indicate that

would
-

as

A

that

the

an

whereas

there

was

less

viewpoint of the velocity

index

need for currency in
July,
of bank deposits, which can be

of business

activity, there was, nevertheless, a vastly
of currency in circulation.
The decrease in velocity of
is 84%; the increase in money in circulation is over 40%.

amount

number

amount

gone

seem

from

bank deposits

the individual to

demand, government has under¬
taken to provide social security through unemployment
compensation,, oldage assistance and contributory pensions.
Naturally, we muBt be sympa¬
to

and

This

such

to

In

1936,

citizens,

the

bureaucracy.
We are not ready in this
country to accept, nor do I believe we ever will, the theory of an allpowerful State, nor of the State that guards us and guides us from the

of

yielding

All

to

fund.

bear

to

the

from

taken

its

give

the

If sufficient

itself

a

and

dom

helping

itself!
years,

should

amazement

remember,

reiterate

me

for

increased

truly

which

security and
come.

there

1980

are

on

Through

giving them

so.

order

stimulate, by sound education

become

government
In

and

thor¬

the effects of folly is to fill the world

fools."
The principle that has governed our business and
objectives in carrying it on attaches a condition to the "strong

weak,"

some¬

have declared

utter

with

every

and

for

all

mind

time provide

capacity

we

tax not

a

reserve

in

will

correct

Let
some

mind

appreciate

history

yielding

oughly excited the indignation of Herbert Spencer,
mate result of

the

"'help

individual's

advantages of providing personal security.
Human civiliza¬
developed through the principle of every man looking after

else's
the

help

the

body
and

to

and

abandoned.

In

Mutual
out

that

with
to

theory behind

thought

The

contracts.
If we add figures for building and loan associawill find that the total savings are a sum in excess of $52,000,I have no doubt that those who have interests in these savings

represent

growth

protected

indicate

group

we

000,000.

this

and

figures

and

tiond

and

available

will

be included

my

while assumed

same

study of the Act indicates that it has

It

own

"taxpayer sustained," for the interest paid into the fund by the Treasury
Department must be
imposed as taxation on
the
people.
My own

banker

In

ance

the

be

true

but

to

in

production

point at

a

that

social

years

self-sustaining.
us

is

eventually

cost

this

up

(which,

at

Will

point

Government.

The

go

his

the government plan

source;

arises

cost of

the Mutual

guarantees.

knowledge

invested

you

States

edict

for

best thought.

that

reserve,

which

Corporation

as
no

such

on

indicate

Let

There
save.

vast

a

and

full and sufficient protection against losses.

a

are

dependent

and

the

from

of

9%

a

the

factor of

a

the

is

tax,

a

create

the

be ad-*

manufacturer represents what

able to give

of

contemplates

throughout
reality

be
in

considers

one

one

that

may

eventually

for

only 3%

at

the

question

living),

our

borrow

banks

the

of

most

Deposit

group

the

to

contribute
As

passage

12% when the entire tax is in force,

included

welfare?

capacity

created

margin of protection

deducted

which to

payroll,

of

the

take into consideration

the

in

accounts

Federal

confidence

been

cost

own

Act,

be

the hidden tax

It

Any outlook

outdide guarantee being for unusual

an

the

his

higher

indi¬

the

government

employee

provide

prescribes

Act

to

Hence

consists

and

rate

of dafety

the margin

growth

savings

by

in

surplus account

or

add

rates and

rate

At

more.

Banks Insurance Fund of the State of New York,

Savings

the

to

increased for the year to

was

mention

any

insurance fund created by

an

far

reliance

that

true

are

the

really be

his

interest

The

the Act, totaling

employees and is merely

pay,

his

only.

it

country

security.
in

price.

will

far

providing

further

the

Act,

involuntarily to

working man .will

his

have

surplus and undivided profits.

corresponding

a

the bank itself, any

by

I

in

reserves,

the

in

of

apprehension

an

security so

through

savings

Security

Social

contribution

his

final

is

social

security

due to the hurried

me,

laws,
in

individual

the

the

improve

family.

against

to

There

largest

100

from

to limit interest

proper

because

funds,

tax

the

of

of his payroll

ployees'

was

vary

growth and development of savings should

there

funds

average

and banks

that

fact

$42,000,000.

over

12%
social

involuntary

capacity

Through
of

such

made

that of his

or

up

establishing
if

affected
the

safely

will

What has concerned

have voluntarily

we

beyond

banks.

in

the

eventually this will lead to larger interest dividends.

surplus

capital

the

the

by law,

the

States

surplus of the mutual savings banks

additions

that

separate

is

legislation

security

that

move

family.

versely

section

is that of the

by the report

this year

the

the

any

his

distress?

of

controlled

is

of

northeastern

deposits

savings
and

partici¬
the figures

Banks

of

1936,

The mutual

for

1

Rates

earnings to surplus;

or

They

$7,000,000,000.

rate.

prescribed

in

is

banks

country,

Savings

Mutual

year.

40%

about

the

of

significant.

are

and these mostly

savings banks

over

was

States

for

years

2.58%.
A year
2% to 3%%;
York, the largest mutual savings bank State, paying 2%.
In many

it

ago

of

34

6,000,000.

National

and

deposits

interesting comparison shown

dividend

for

the

numbered about

of

on

the

States,

has

mutual

in

increase

companies

alone

banks
for

or

provided

Association

savings

country,

554

deposits of

The

1902

savings

bankd

savings

National

only 18

trust

total

$149,962,655

in

the

are

the

$600,000,000

over

42,000,000.

and

the

in mutual

posits

growth
of

in

mutual

by

than

banks

State

largely

of

$2,750,177,290.

to

over

pated

June 30,

on

The latest
the year
1936,
making an aggregate of over $23,200,000,000.
ago, when the Savings Division was organized,
savings
further

with

vidual

progress

$22,652,000,000

to

increase of $899,970,000 for the year ended that date.

an

figures

in

thetic

of

of

the

American

reasons

have

'circulating

currency

corporations have

been

medium.

has gon£

to

advanced

to

Probably

foreign

account
some

countries.

for

money

No

the

in

doubt

increased

the

form

business

a larger amount of "till" money.
A large part of over
$6,000,000,000 of cash, however, must be reposing in stockings, mattresses,
cupboards, office vaults, and other places.
There are, no doubt, reasons

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

66
why

not

have

people

have

been

the

restricted

amounts

interest, and
the

the
to

the

will

we

banks—they

safety

take.

as

Many people may still fear

interest.

no

have

learned

not

Perhaps

others

provisions made to
amount of government

the

of

large

a

retained

cash

and the

cashed

been

have

Perhaps banks

banks.

in

they once did.
We have
We have been paying low rates of

ardently

as

deposits.

of
and

farmers

deposit

from

deposits

demand deposits

on

of

safety

insure

checks

withheld money

soliciting

fact

however,

remains,
account

by

the

All of these are guesses.
The
$1,000,000,000 or more should be added to

that

deposit

illustrating these figures
prepared by the Standard Statistics Co.
An interesting fact shown by
these charts is that there has been a large increase in the number of
I

.

have

and

charts

interesting

some

will

be

always

good purpose where it operates in places already served by chartered
In these places it seems entirely unnecessary.
The question of

any

No

rate,

tion

small depositors has been removed by the FDIC.
There-, may
excuse
for taking postal savings deposits in places not accessible

for

the

banking facilities.

which

from

it

comes.

Through the Postal Savings System local money is
district for use elsewhere.
A full comprehension
Postal Savings System and its declining usefulness

locally.

money

of the

"syphoned" out
of

of

the

effect

to

the

event, we cannot forget thgt none of

any

Savings System goes back into the communities
The local bank, to a great extent, invests its

the Postal

of

money

In

the

country

doubt

no

may

eventually

about and lead

comie

value

and

better

simplest

is

be

shareholder
has

there

certificates

or

the

more

could

By

his money a bank

or

long-term non-liquid

a

to

the

use

stretch of the imagination can

no

depositor

a

and

account.

Of course,

investment.

for withdrawal of funds with limitations, but large
withdrawn quickly, nor is there any system of

would make

it possible

Building and Loan Associations

for

large amounts on demand.
In fact, the insurance available
Building and Loan Associations provides for deferring payment of a

to

any

pay

to

the shareholder's money for three years.
That the Building
have been useful in making mortgage money avail¬

large part of

Associations

Loan

and
able

competition
that

the

foresight
Our

are

be

the

of

made

the same category.
many other forms
of

slow asset, and real estate mortgages are in

a

however,

Mortgages,

pay

larger

a

than

return

and

in

what

For

example,

Associations
is

insurance

insured

higher rate of interest on deposits.

misleading.

by

entirely

almost

to retain

mortgages

character

their

as

that the shares in Building and
Federal Government is not true.

the

Loan
The

corporation owned by the Home Owners' Loan Corpora¬
even
a
statement that the funds invested are insured is

by

a

Moreover,

tion.

funds

a

statement

any

are

in

their

pay

up

and

The insurance only

undertakes to guarantee the return of the
principal amount.
It does not guarantee that the investor will be able to
get his money when he wants it.
The average savings and loan investor
is likely to believe from the use of the word "insurance" that in time of
need if the building and loan association cannot pay him his money the
investor

the

Loan

Owners'

Home

will.

Corporation

in such

gets

a

This,

except

case,

however,

is

laws

at

can

attitude

this

toward

and

time when it feels it

any

shares

without

would

cause

by

the

Loan

apparent that the small

to

wage

interest

the guaranty
and
not

Some

Federal

is

for

and

copy,

it

a

the

means

podsess for the
There

country,

is

a

and

another

signs

bank

on

offices,

competitor

purpose

everyone




shares

any

of

wants

a

a

to

attracting

place for
with

in

quite

arid in

to

arrange

to

put

a

forms

of the
of

is
it

a

aside should

that

have

possibility.
bonds

the

not

are

in

the

and meaning

use

that of
thrift and

than
of

demands

the

What

curriculum.

principle

grade and

well

life

of

avoid

will

abundance of funds
the highest

an

bonds to

such

of

prices

we

bonds

protected by ample

a

speculative

or

income of

of

earnings

savings in long-term bonds at present prices,
ridk of

only

not

means

loss

when

occur

consistently

even

low yield, but—

a

substantial market price
go up as eventually

through

interest

rates

their

market
bonds

good

been

some

because

short-term

advantage of

the

the

issue,

short.

part

of

The result

yields

on

will be

so,

against

of insurance

low

long this

as

remote

a

measure

a

favor

to

seem

only

purchased

and

have had

"straddled"

and

average

still

Although

lesd

desire

inure

government

your

is

guess

of

to

benefit

conditions,

in

as

should,

we

be

the

practically

put

is

return

was

diffi¬

very

There has, of

lower

borrowers,

interest

course,

they

do

While

rates.

create

not

an

from

trend

with

of

the

be

capitalized;

neighborhood,

able

they
and,

take

how¬

take

especial

of

some

appraisals

Our

have

unto

on,

now

avoid

to

should
of

of these im¬

and

accounts.

should

agreement

order,

mortgages from

mortgage

our

income

in

advantage

in

account

experience,

past

our

mortgage

every

doubt take

no

mortgage

In investing

net

on

tended to stabilize realty values,
building indueftry has furnished a demand

the

our

difficulties

based

sideration

interest
it

sav¬

investor to another, principally

secure

of

We will

mortgages.

previous

the

decline

of

business has

in

revival

mortgage loans.
new

bonds,
the

on

one

to

owners

the

recovery

substantial

ourselves

than

were

large proportion

a

savings.

new

general

proving

liquid

values

and

for

great number of good mortgages.

any

the

for

new

investment

the ideal

shifting of mortgages from

of

shifts

ever,

the

As to how

While rents
find

to

a

have

is

of long governments and part

on

still

are

deposits.

cult

outlet

shore

to

the former

banks

government bonds

price

mine!

as

ings

yield

present.

decline in

a

close

course,

other

Conditions

the

greater.

for

Of

Still

fair

a

loss.

for

Mortgages

and

only.

portfolio consisting

been

has

notes

income.

favored long-term

the risk of

Othersi have stayed

and

greater

into

con¬

importance,

provision

a

for

amortization.
Personal

of

many

making

loans and

other

banks.

We

our

loans
us

discharging

remember,

to

duty

a

our

on

prosperity and

goodwill

We

sure,

I

can,

There

is

desire

to

efforts.
are

am

ingrained

in

in

good
a

high plane
have

we

the

the

their

credit

we

outlook

affairs,

We

by

char¬

were

will continue to enjoy the honor,

people

a

achieve

for

employed by

communities

our

and useful service, and in

for savings

to

make

financial

in

standing.

necessary

better equipped than

attaining

funds will be

service

earned and possessed

American

own

characteristics

stronger and

them

of investing

render

of

perform

view

their

manage

These

ways
may

individuals

to

Report of "Committee

feeling

ever

and

to serve

the

much

years.

confidence.

independence,

of

success

thrift

through

with

through their

savings.

a

own

hanks

Our

the people and assist

objectives.

on

Nominations—Newly Elected

Officers

The report of the
sented

For President:

St.

Committee

by Austm*McLanahan,
Noble

on

Nominations

Chairman,

was

pre¬

follows:

as

,R. Jones, Savings Manager, First National Bank

Louis, Mo.

-

For Vice-President:

f

Henry S. Sherman, President, Society for Savings,

Cleveland, O.
For

member

Miller,

Executive

President,

Committee,

Bloomfield

for

Savings

term

expiring

Institution,

1939:

Bloomfield,

W.

W.

N.

J.;

Robert W. Sparks, Vice-President, Bowery Savings Bank, New York, N. Y.
Alva G.

Atlanta,
Stuart

Maxwell, Vice-President, The Citizens & Southern National Bank,
Ga.

For member Executive Committee for term expiring 1938:

Frazier, Vice-President, Washington Mutual Savings Bank, Seattle,
Committee

on

Nominations,

CHARLES

bank.
not

W,

public.

have

civilization

Wash.

does

investment

the

in

impression

an

school

for

that

their communities

meet

the highest
raised

serious—the

adver¬

newspaper

create

character

patronage

does

Corporation

interest return.

place of business

number of

money

investment certificates,

or

definite

assume

the

California, prohibit

Insurance

manner

that the

or

as

to

in

school

every

to

citizens

Naturally,

invest

bankers

Some

investment that cannot be

such

type of institution to

advertising,

proper

an

Savings and Loan

on

therefore

is

be out of work

may

States,

fixed rate of interest

the

id unfair

It

This

a

misleading.

guaranty that the shareholder will get

tising
that

of

certainly

is

It

A further statement indicating a guaranteed

immediately turned into cash.
of

the

who is accumulating these shares to

earner

most need of these fund* will find himself with

rate

or

effective.

during times of stress when he

protect him

association
refuse to redeem its
any situation which

so

default

any

become

give

youth

of

have

investments, feeling that

the

under

Moreover,

Associations,
to do

necessary

doing creating

so

insurance

investment.

of

form

Federal Savings

governing

and

problems have not become simpler during the past year.

depreciation, which will

bearing debentures having maturities of one and three years.
The average
investor does not know this, and if. he did he might have an entirely
•different

opportunity

All

true.

not

in cash, is non-interest

10%

for

have

they must.

concerning them be stated clearly.

tie

earn

however, be liquid enough

of

part

future

fitting

years.

To

more

tered, let

would

not,

of

bonds

of

many

is

they
They
banks.
To be able to pay their depositors
in full and on demand requires a
great degree of liquidity, and with lower earnings only a moderate Tate
of interest to depositors is possible;
Fairness, it seems to me, on the
part of all agencies that compete with banks requires that the facts
could

banks

doubt

and in

deposits

total

mankind,

to

Instruction

years.

banks

though they are of excellent quality,

our

If

in

and those

sfhould

no

country.

the

in

them

of

be

should

savings

investment

investment.

would

the

offered,

thrift

of

habit-forming

education

debtor.

banks

and

nature

is

of

*

nature

the

A

the

realize

former

without

complete

be

would

School savings
increase in the total number of schools in

one-tenth

money

investment

levels

such

Associations

Loan

and

the

with

fair,

only

seems

an

Savings"

System

savings

importance

can

scarcity

wish to
however, where
who

making and understand that such investments are not
the equivalent of demand deposits.
Real estate is

they

cannot

always

It

so.

those

why

Teason

no

Building

business

do

is

do

not

between

exists
who

those

investment

and

should

them

in

invest'

There

denied.

be

cannot

for

armed?

be

not

that

insurance

of

nature

provisions

are

amounts

considered

instalment basis

an

on

Loan Association

Building and

the

of

to make mortgage loans.

money

the
It

shared

sell

to

function

the

terms,

of

service

aiding

the

to

being restricted or abolished.
Building and Loan Associations and Savings and Loan Associations are
not
banks.
Nevertheless, they are competitors for savings.
Reduced to
system

its

show

to

for

Savings

Despite this increase, however, out of 30,000,000 school

the

country during

safety

other

banks
have a

and to choose

made

deposit

or

they

sure

are the products of thrift, it is strange that so little atengiven to inculcating this habit in the minds of the youth of the

is

The

to

"Outlook

about

only

Realizing

seeking

some

to be

6aver

savings.

banks.

be

the

savings.

children,

the

bid savings

would

savings I

investment

every

School

opportunity
net

for

and urge

thoroughly familiar.

the

banking continues
total

outlook

However, let him guard against the lure of a high
him to make an investment with the nature of

leading
on

of

of

best.

is not

paper

mention

the

competition,

,and culture

^

competition for savings.
We still have the
Postal Savings System as a competitor of banks.
Large increases in the
deposits of the Postal Savings System in the years ending June 30, 1932,
and
June
30, 1933, amounted to over $400,000,000 for each of these
years.
This sudden and phenomenal growth undoubtedly reflected lack of
confidence in banks.
However, gains of the system since 1933 have not
been substantial.
It does not seem that the Postal Savings System serves
There

of

understanding

which he

$1,000

$10,000 bills outstanding and a substantial increase in the $5,000,
and $500 bills.

consider

fear

which suits him

which

cash.
tables

surplus

of

clear

I

As

no

interest

in

personal possession of the recipients.

bank

choice.
have

R.

H.

DEPPE

MOREHOUSE,

AUSTIN

McLANAHAN

this

freedom

of

[The report

was

duly adopted and the new officers inducted into office. 1

CLEARING HOUSE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCE
(UNDER AUSPICES OF BANK MANAGEMENT COMMISSION)

American Bankers' Association
Meeting Held at San Francisco, Calif., Sept. 21, 1936

INDEX
Practical Bank

CLEARING HOUSE ROUND TABLE CONFERENCE

TO

Operation, by P. D. Houston

—

Security Policies, by J. Harvie Wilkinson Jr
Loan Policies and Personal Income Loans, by

Sorensen

M.

70

„

During

the last

few

witnessed many changes in the
conditions under which we

have

we

years,

business in which we are engaged and in the

thought and more constructive effort directed toward meeting
and toward
other

intelligent

But during these same years we have also seen more

operate.

such changes

»*tlt has

been said that adverse conditions both require and encourage

thinking, so perhaps our sincere desire and our increased efforts to

clear

improve our banking system have been prompted in

Yet

of economic conditions.
become evident

had

partly the necessities

know that this desire and that this effort

we

before the approach of less favorable

even

business

Solutions of the problems

sought

We may grant that all such legislative effort has

intended and may have been

well

been

The result

and regulations have become a part of

that many new statutes

daily operations.

our

with which we have been confronted, have been

well by many who were not engaged in banking.

as

has been

even

good in its effect, but the

positive fact remains that the real solution must come from within rather
without the ranks of our profession.

than from

The real intelligent and

experiences has been that criticism either

the

at

same

profitable banking system, then

developed

time

a

sound

be fairly concluded that internal management is the answer

question that today may exist as to our position in relation to our

i

depositors,
And

it

is

stockholders and to the public at large.
this subject of management that bankers, individually and
borrowers,

our
to

our

collectively, today are giving their best thought and effort as never before—

toward the development of good management is. an analysis

The first step

of one's own operations in order to
-

and

our

management

with

institution,
deal

Banks

price.

full knowledge of

our costs

any

are

profit¬

needed corrections may be more

If we know our costs, we may more easily establish a

easily provided.
selling

in

commodities—credits

two

and

service—

and these like all other commodities involve a cost and must be sold at
a

price to include not only cost, but a fair margin of profit as well, if the
to render satisfactory service and it is to

selling institution is

used

the

as a

are

conducting

extensive

such

of

programs

of research

directors may have with the public.

and

employees
which

bank renders, and this in itself will increase to a surprising degree

a

people, even now, do not fully realize the service
their

banks,

and

but

So perhaps the question of public education and public relations

be a greater factor in Practical Bank Operations than we have heretofore

possible for

It is entirely
our

us to

and may become too

machine-like—thus losing the warmth of human rela¬

Then, too, we may over-economize in the matter

by the purpose served.

To gain a few dollars today by cost reduction may

of operating costs.
the

loss of many more

dollars of profits in the future, so in con¬

questions we should not only plan according

of these

sideration

to

present and past conditions, but we should give some consideration to
conditions in so far as we may be able to forecast them.
In

discussions

our

operations

the numerous phases of practical bank

here today,

reduced

to

our

future

two

major

classifications—Income and

These, of course, are inclusive of many other minor phases.

which the figures of these two accounts presents will reflect

The picture
very

be

may

Expense.

largely the type of management enjoyed or suffered

by a banking

institution.
The most frequently

and

it is

cooperating

are

with each other for their common good by

just

as

we

industry

expressed complaint of today is the lack of oppor¬

as

compared with the amount of funds invested in securities

better
The
own

idle talk to say that

mere

securities

shall do here today

Such willingness on the part of bankers to aid each

for

be improved in service to the public
stockholders is one of the finest by-products of all

better

rightful place in
within its

This spirit, with proper deter¬
and in maintaining for banking

management.

own

the economic life of this Nation,

cannot

be justly demanded or required.

may

the value of this exchange of our experience and

be too much emphasized,

enter

because banking

ranks the necesssary ability to provide to the public

banking service as

efficient

The importance and

and it is hoped that here today

the

whole-heartedly into

discussions

giving and receiving such information that each may

instead

of

extending

way

will it

on
,

safe

loans

a

prime function of a bank is to extend credit to the commerce of its
It manufactures such credit by bringing together the wealth

section.

and sound

The increase in the proportion of bank funds invested

basis.

in securities

has

be available for the development of business

community, if the development can be done on a safe

not resulted

as

a

matter of preference,

funds has been resorted to by banks as their only
idle funds.

but such

use

of

alternative against holding

In addition to the difference in yields, a bank would much

prefer to extend credit to commerce because such credit generates further
new

It

business in which the whole community .and the

can

scarcely be expected during

a

bank will participate.

period of rising deposits that the demand

Business and industry will not borrow

because in

with

H

have or may desire

Bankers in their loan

deposits.

while it yet has cash on hand.

policies must not become too conservative.

conservatism should be tempered with some liberality.

Our

It is likely that the

experiences of recent years may have caused us to be somewhat over-con¬

conference affords.

No bank is any better than its

management, nor will our whole banking

composite management, so there should be
conduct a well-managed institution.

the double incentive for each of us to

that our own bank may be successful,

First, for the somewhat selfish reason

and second for the broader reason, that our success may
of the whole banking system,

add to the reputa¬

which in turn again will add to the

prestige of each, including our own.




credit

yield.

that are to follow,

be possibile to realize the full benefits that such a

system be any better than its

banks prefer to place funds in low-yield
commercial

for commercial credit would increase in the same proportion as our

connection with the subjects that appear on our program,

tion

than can be justified

extended to the point of being wasteful, costing more

On the other hand, banks are even accused of refusing

program

other

Organization may be over¬

tionship which is so essential to our business.

Such criticism is, of course, not founded on facts, and

mination, will succeed certainly in obtaining

no

over-organize our management with the

operations may be unduly burdened with unnecessary detail,

and industry in that

in

available to them from
may become vaulable

dependable analysis of individual

Conference.

shall

they

considered.

and in returns for our

we

informed

properly

when

of its community that it may

views

It is not too much to say that many

the public's use of our institutions.

other than the whole profession may

has

A greater under¬

standing by the public will result in a greater appreciation of the service

extend credit.

exchanging the results of their findings,

such

effort

greater

low-yield rate.

Individually, bankers are not only carefully analyzing their own opera¬

its

too,

to

operations.

this

Then,

functions.

the public with such functions and methods.

of

whole, and this will point the way to a

in this

performance

best be done, it seems, through the contacts which our officers,

can

providing much helpful information on the banking situation

are

tions,

directors. should be fully

tunity for the employment of our funds in the usual channels of commerce

bankers

Collectively,
which

employees and as

officers,

as

the true functions of a bank and as to the b&t methods

to

as

in

This

continue

business.

in

But we do know that it is important that those connected

banks

our

informed

With this information available to the

unprofitable.

of each

a

which departments of our banks

income, and to determine

able and which are

obtain

unjust, which has been

banks, and no one has yet been able to give us a blue-print of such

specifications.

mean

and not without successful results.

or

by each as a part of the whole,

required of the official personnel responsible for the management

be
our

result that

Thus it may
to any

72

if not impossible, to set out the necessary qualifications

It is difficult,

of

and safe banking

system.

71

whole system.

may

have

Operating

in

regard to the innocence or guilt of the component units of the

and without

patrons.

shall

just

directed toward banking has had to be borne

understanding effort necessary to bring about a sounder and more profitable

we

Factor

Operation

banking must be directed by those experienced in our business, and if we
succeed in developing and maintaining a

a

Buying Supplies, by William C. Tompkins.

should be made to acquaint

conditions.

as

American National Bank, Nashville, Tenn.

to

equal period in the history of our profession.

Equipment

Efficiency and Economy, by Darrel G. Ensign
Economies in

development of a sounder banking system than during any

a

Mechanical

Modern

Practical Bank
By P. D. Houston, Chairman of Board,

Page 70

Interest, by E. V, Krick

Analysis and Rates for Banking Services, by

Account

J,

Page 67
68
69

E. A. Mattison__

One unfortunate feature of recent

servative, and if such should be the case, it is but a natural consequence.
We should be interested in making productive loans,
purposes

and, therefore, the

for which a loan is sought should be given consideration along

with the security that is offered.

A loan may be well and fully secured and

yet not necessarily be a desirable loan for our bank.
We may be able to improve somewhat our
for the

use

of

our

funds.

position by seeking new fields

Much has been said of the competition from

68

BANKEBS' CONVENTION,

Government

lending

would withdraw its
and

agencies.

The

activities in

Government

this field when

willing to extend such credits.

At least

has

indicated

and if banks

of this

some

that

credit

it

ready

were

can

be

for their funds.

pay

There must be

selling price, and if
to variation

supplied by

relation between

some

then the rate of interest

so,

buying and

our

deposits must be subject

on

along with supply and demand.

our banks, just as is already being done by many banks after
having made the necessary study and investigations from which they have

internal operation of our banks have enabled
many banks to effect economies

been able to convince the borrower that the bank

and

and

service in just

satisfactory

as

Government agencies.

provide this credit

can

and at less cost than that of

a manner

Perhaps much of this credit is not such

proper for a commercial bank to

would be

as

provide,, but in the whole of these Govern¬

ment agencies there must be much business that could and should be

properly

provided by our banks.
Banks

are

now

considering personal and instalment loans, thus entering
the field of retailing this consumer credit in which heretofore they have
played the part of the wholesaler, extending the credit to a middle concern
which

has in turn retailed the credit at rates

much

profitable

more

than

those obtained by the commercial bank.

Many banks have developed
cerns

individuals

or

created

first,

employment for

already customers of the

profits for the customer,

new

bank,

and

thereby

and incidentally,

of the bank's otherwise idle funds.

some

con¬

have

profitable

In my opinion,

bank may well afford to make such study of its local community because

any

to improve

the proper

efficiency.

to

effect

methods for

new

The purchasing of supplies, and particularly

and control

care

opportunities

supplies after purchased, afford further

over

appreciable savings

both for large banks and for

smaller banks in proportion.
In my opinion, the greatest progress made

by banks in their endeavor to
improve earnings has been in the field of cost analysis.
Most of us know
well enough how to price a product if we have the cost
figures,
not known very

which is
"We

long just what it has cost

indispensable to

so

present

our

had permitted ourselves

to

with

agree

the

as

ourselves just

customer

the customer

know.

To

the cost involved,

our

matter of course,

a

but

have

we

bank to provide that service

a

system of trade and commerce.

valuable service without cost and

loan business by cooperation with

new

Inauguration of modern equipment and the adoption of

who

accepted a

and not knowing

could not

be

expected to

surprise we have learned rather recenlty that the cost of

much of the business that

passed through

banks

our

being borne by the

was

business of profitable customers—or perhaps in the final
analysis it was being
borne by our stockholders.
It is most important that we know our costs

it may find considerable business that could thus be created to the mutual

of operations in every

advantage of its customer and the bank, and, incidentally, for the resulting

than

benefit of the community.

partment should be placed on a profitable basis, either by reduction of our

demand
does

for

come

This condition of

and the lack of

easy money

will in time adjust itself, and when this adjustment

money

should, out of the experience of present conditions, be better

we

prepared to profit thereby.
close control

over our

the extent of

but

expenses,

cannot afford to reduce expenses to

we

impairing the efficiency of

Formerly

operations

our

the heaivest drains

one of

costs

the services

or

earnings

on our gross

yet remains the question of whether or not the present cost of time

we

the

was

deposits

great in proportion to the income derived therefrom as were the higher

as

interest rates in relation to the former income received.

If deposits cannot

be used profitably, then the interest rate may be high in any case.

bearing deposits

worth to

are

which they may be sold.

be

to

seems

been made in

no

why

reason

bank

a

little

very

Interest

In determining the rate of interest to be paid

on

matter

of cost

banks of this country

It is

have

more

important today

been determined,

department of

any

have

analysis,

probability

by such study and analysis of their
There

are so

the

provided.

are

bank should

a

be

While great progress has

yet

large percentage of the

a

not yet become informed
are

de¬

every

to their own costs

as

be most greatly benefited

ones to

operations.

own

other phases of bank operations that relate to the vital

many

subject of bank earnings that it is difficult to refrain from extending these
remarks, but in these few minites I have undertaken to refer only in general
terms

to some of the

major factors that constitute the theme

the

of

dis¬

cussions that will follow.

than the profit for

more

the

and these banks in all

interest paid on time deposits, and while this has been much reduced, there

is

bank.

our

costs

our

by establishing proper rates for the services which

or

There

department of

And when

operated at the expense of some other department.

In the effort to improve our net earnings, it is very necessary to exercise

render.

before.

ever

In closing

I would emphasize two thoughts.

the reputation of our whole

First, let's remember that

banking system in the minds of

time deposits it would seem that we

should be governed by our ability to

the opinion which they hold as to one bank
only.

lend

will cover

some

may

be

ment and

such funds at such

rate that

a

of deposit plus a fair

cost

profit to the bank.
In the investment of our funds we have

long since learned that the selling

price of money is subject to much fluctuation, but we have been slow

to

admit that this may have application with reference to the price banks should

So individual improve¬

cooperation toward collective improvement should be the purpose
and goal of each.
Now as we come to the discussions in more detail of the

various

phases of bank operations, let's be prepared to participate in the
discussions at the close of the meeting so that the
greatest good may be
derived from this Conference which I believe is to be a most

helpful

one.

Security Policies
By J. Harvie Wilkinson Jr., Vice-President State-Planters Bank & Trust Co., Richmond, Va.
The primary interest of each of
in

the

outlook

nowhere will

for

change in

a

that change be

lies in the question of interest rates,

us

the

trend,

and

under

existing conditions

definitely reflected than in

more

security

our

account.
I

to

it

wishful

be

to

the

on

normal mind I

caught crystal

fall

of

quite

am

in

gazing

practical banker would be

future

trend

is

certainly

are

interested

be,

we

weakness

than

of

the

background,

the

next

the

are

—But

current

I rush

6% time
in

then,

my'

in

credit

nature

of

merits

each

First,

than

filds

is

for

the

with

utilities—which

causes

over

its dry

shedding
tainties

does

that

you

on

interest

Board

50%

which

5%

not mean

I

be

short

some

a

break¬

In

short,

higher levels

to

for

not

them

for

I

present

Court

of

be

improvement

second,

I

Finance

reveal,

requirements
have been

to

me

first

with

Whether

path

but that

the

in

our

be accorded real

the

most

the

influence

Board,

in

something which

is

realization

all

eventuality
banking

weight in

interesting

not,

you

believe

and

have

only the
a

in

as

such

Supreme
than

policies

Court
it

future.

American

of

has

To

on

the

account

me

this

in

the

will
next

by
I

the

for
it

the

first
of

variation

the

yield

Reference

from

page

the
of

on

to

a

I

exactly

the

banks

the

Federal

generally,
results

it

as

bear

have

in

the

what

we

am

I

now

affect

may

the

relation¬

institution's

reference

I

and

not

of the

the

to

profits.

capital

loans

and

cushion

a

to

preferred

sure

will

you

country is buying
do.
You can then

structure

discounts

to

line

will
an

y2 of 1%,

a

bond

it

may

as

clean

into

of

banks

our

well

as

observe

outline

for

other

the

schedule

a

to be

it is

in

1%, and

bring

estate

the

net

the

to

a

capital

security account.

of

filled

struc¬

essential
the state¬

to

real

bond

maturities

showing

a

variation

and

at

the

effect

of

1%%

to the

setup in the schedules.
bank to compute its own
quoted market values which would

enable
in

portfolio,
be termed

can

variation of

will

account,

sup¬

the

as

be shown in

reduce

the cushion

bonds maturing according

book

loan

the
and

the residual

deemed

is

the

for

account,

done,

you

yield

a

and,

the

before figuring the amount of the capital

is

page

is

that

the

as

be

in

cer¬

must be

funds
of

produce
'

rates

bank

every

determine the variation

the variations

any

change in
in

about

by changes

as

cushion

a

by

should

structure

that

necessary

can

not

are

omit.]

premises
this

this

for

is the consideration

and undivided

the capital

and

would

to know well and accurately^ the amount and
[Speaker here explained two tables distributed

we

and

estate

When

bottom

a

which

to

difficulties

therein

Governors

might

account

that
is

remembered

amount

and

account,
On

of

interest

of

capital

say

love

possibility

demand

expanded

factors which

security

available

building
value.

the

such

who

the

inherent

business

thinking people

money

of

between

wild

the rates for money.

on

Board

discussion

accordingly,

is

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Loan Policies and Personal Income Loans
By E. A. Mattison, Vice-President Bank of
The statement

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is

that banks

lending

new

debated

by

fields

need

are

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is

not

provide

to

necessary

bankers.

some

loans

more

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apt to be challenged.

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not

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considered

lending

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activities

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credit

leaders

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contracts

credit.

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dealers.

available

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this

pertaining to

in

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morning;

dealer

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remarks

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dealer

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in

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to

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purchase

direct,

instalment

of

financing will require

however,

financing

only

shall be glad

to

discussion

open

more

answer

which

is

follow.
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in

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some

has

been

the

written

of

recently

consumer

reasons

why

credit.

the subject

on

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will,

credit

of

banks

therefore,

should

be

review

participating
only briefly

departmental
be

not

required

be

recognized
Local

larly

competition
Compete
and

Second,

a

consumer credit is safe.

The record of properly managed finance com
panies which have been extending this type of credit for nearly 20 years is without
equal in the history of financial institutions.
Experience has shown that the
average individual respects his obligations.
He will pay if he can, providing the
terms of repayment are suited to his income.

Third,

consumer credit is

profitable.

Even at rates greatly reduced from those

charged by finance and loan companies, the business can be profitable.
Using the
Federal Housing Administration Title i rates of 5%
discount, the business yields
9.7% on the money employed. After proper allowance for collection and detailed
handling expense, an attractive yield can be shown on the investment.

Fourth, this business is available In volume.

The

public wants bank credit.

Where it has been made available, Mr. Average Citizen has
promptly availed him¬
self of it because of the advantages over the ordinary avenues of
personal credit.

With

such

establish?

or

profit.
in

a

background, what kind

of

a

lending policy should

a

bank

policy must be broad in its scope of activity and should
include
(1) loans to finance the purchase of automobiles, (2) personal
loans, and (3) loans to finance home improvements.
The

because

policy
the

must

public

be

has

aggressive
to

be

and

educated

must
to

the

be

advertised

fact

that

extensively,

bank

credit

is

readily

obtainable.
A spirit, of friendly helpfulness must be instilled in
loaning officers.
The public is not accustomed to borrow from banks.
They do not think In terms of borrowing, but rather of buying on time.
the

They have secured credit from sales-minded credit




men,

anxious

to

extend

banks

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far

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and

rates

terms.

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of your

Local insurance agents should

enlisted to

necessity

on

service—not

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charge

type

business.

of

naturally affects rate,
of 6% discount per

may

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of

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the

seem,

monthly

person

is

he

average

payment

in

than

is

interested

more

the

he

rate

is

to perhaps the mo6t important part of the
lending
number of months
that
loans
will
be
extended for, and the amount of the down
payment required.

and

The

the

type

there

has

lengthen

been

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In

the

the

has been

of instalment financing
shorter

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of

to

by

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banks

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think,

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degree

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household

a

three
Such

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automobiles

on

terms

of

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course,

against

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and
to

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instal¬

on

household

old

standard

be considered

to

any

clear.

retailers

or

radios and

steady increasing of the time available
Five-year terms are now not uncommon on

months.

is

companies,

manufacturers

automobiles,

primarily

was

are

greater

a

for

reason

solely

pressure

case

than

terms

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sales

no

terms.

history

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resisted

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purchases.

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loss

instalment

have

appliances,
of

credit

have

of

there

ances,

us

it—terms—the

extension

loans

loans

ment

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successful
upon

Such

by

banks

financing instalment purchases.
In

event,

any

their
the

rightful

present

it

seems

place

trend

of

of

important

more

leadership

terms

in

in

your customer relationship you
buyer who is interested in what he

want

order

from

reduce

to

chasers

30%

and

for

ever

bring about

financing.

will

banks

By

a

your

to

to

50%

to

in
the

the sound, conservative
carrying charges, who does
of

cost

his

merchandise

monthly payments to a minimum figure.
thoroughly satisfactory borrowers for banks, and

history that has proved beyond
will

protect

their

a

doubt

equity

in

of

advertising

attract

pays

added

assume

reversal

his

are

borrowers

than

credit

instalment

and

not

The

of

not.

are

their cooperation
must

depositor

a

and it provides

is recommended except, where
large volume is available.
Centralized
decentalized operations will also affect the rate
necessity to reflect a

other

consequence

and

standard

a

Personal

as

be

event,

any

annum

which

10 billion.
Depositors' funds Invested in loans and discounts
dropped from 68% to 41% at the end of last year.

in

it pertains to rates and terms.

built

First, there Is the definite need for more loans, more income.
From 1931 to 1935
bank deposits increased over 3 billion—loans decreased in the same
period over

Francisco, Calif.

must

borrower

the

be

conditions

as

banks

attractive

San

be
flexibility in your plans, and a
of specialists trained to handle the business.
It should

that

will

A.,

attracting the accounts of those who

to

consumer

a

S.

There

group

the majority

whole, and endeavor to outline certain fundamentals of policy
experience would indicate to be desirable:
as

&

accommodation.

policy,

extension

of

the

was

that

this morning one new field that has
already proved itself
sound, with great profit possibilities, and that is personal income

extension

to

commercial

a

discuss

loans—consumer

time

for

normal?

new

return to

borrowing needs of business enterprises changed to such

heretofore

for

necessity

activities generally base their opinion on the
assumption that a
normal demand for commercial credit will solve the
problem.

loans

America N. T.

the safety

the

of such

merchandise

Such
it

is

credits.
in

even

in

pur¬

their
These

times

of

stress.

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I

conform

sound

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credit.

properly
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bank's lending policy
closely as possible to the
a

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supervised

bank,

large

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and

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small.

policy,

a

on

personal

proven,

income

established

department to extend
should

be

a

loans

should

standards

consumer

profitable

of

credit

adjunct

to

BANKERS'

70

Account

Analysis and Rates for Banking Services

By J. M. Sobensen,
This is

a

very

and

interested,

I

Vice-President Stephens National Bank, Fremont, Nejb.

important question, and one in which all
trust that our discussion this morning

of us should' be
will be helpful

working out a plan that will lead to uniformity and one in
us
will be able to cooperate.
Our banking institutions are

in
of

service

stations

which

must

the

which all
primarily

the public at a price
to the customers and

producing services, which we sell to

be

and

satisfactory

bank.

equitable

both

-,

decide if practices which have been
followed in the past should be continued, or if experiences of recent years
have proven that new methods should be adopted in order that banking
may become safer andi more useful in everyday business.
It is regrettable,
but nevertheless a fact, that only a few bankers have paid any attention
to matters such as cost-finding.
We spend millions of dollars each year
on
credit and investment analysis, finding out about other people's business, but we spend practically nothing analyzing our own.
Uniformity of
practices and charges are absolutely necessary but, in order to agree upon
such uniformity, we must first realize that certain groups of institutions
are on a common ground.
We know of no better way of determining this
than through a cost analysis in each of our institutions.
Such an analysis
would automatically classify our banks into three
different groups, the
small country bank, the middle-sized, and the large city institution.
Each
of these groups, after determining their cost, should then without difficulty
be able to agree upon a uniform schedule of practices and charges.
Cost-finding would also assist banks by showing whether or not they
were
being efficiently operated as compared with other institutions and,
in addition, it would give the banks a basis upon which to sell their
services.
It is hard to conceive of any salesman effectively selling his
merchandise wben he has no idea of its cost.
The experience of bankers
who have had their institutions analyzed and costs established has been
that it is a great deal easier to explain these charges when they know
exactly what it cost to produce them.
It is, of course, understood that investment in bank stock is made for
the same purpose that money is invested in any other businesses.
Banks
are
organized for profit which is entirely legitimate.
With this understanding, it is only fair that we, as bankers, should recognize the fact
that we have a great responsibility not only to our own investment but
also to the public who entrust their funds to us.
Banks must be profitable
in order to be sound.
They are the heart of the community and, unless
we
wish our community to suffer, we must keep our institutions sound.
In the beginning of banking, safekeeping of funds was practically the
only service performed, but as the business developed a great many others
were
added.
Activity and1 demand for services have increased many,
considering this question we must

In

times.

many

the bank are large and
carried at a loss and services to them
should be furnished free of charge.
In the clothing business, when a suit
of clothes is sold at a profit the merchant does not feel duty bound to
give a pair of shoes to someone else.
If a profit is made on one transaction it is understood that it properly belongs to the business.
That is
the purpose for which it is conducted.
In exchanging banking services
for balances carried in a checking account, we have been slow to recognize
the fact that this exchange should be done in a business-like manner.
The
value of the account should be accurately determined, and if the cost of
activity in the account plus a legitimate profit exceeds the earnings
accrued on the amount of funds on deposit, a proper charge should be
made against the customer.
The principle involved is exactly the same
as
that found in the grocery store where produce is brought to the store
to be used in exchange for goods.
As an example, let us suppose that a
farmer brings to the store 12 dozen eggs worth 12c. per dozen, or $1.44,
that because a few accounts in

People believe

profitable, other accounts should be

and

orders

a

sack of flour

exchange.

even

in banking, and people should understand
paid in one business just as well as it
business principles are the same no matter where

should

difference

the

in

should

pay

should be recognized

principle
that

another,

as

be

they are found" or in what kind of a
At

The farmer does not except an
the difference, viz.: 56c.
This same

worth $2.00.

He expects to

business institution they occur.
- —
"Why does this

point I can hear someone saying to himself:

this

work both ways and, if the earnings on an account are
greater than the cost of service rendered, why should the bank not be
expected to pay the difference to the customer?"
This is a legitimate
question and is easily answered.
When a customer brings money to the
bank for deposit he merely asks that the funds be placed in safekeeping
and that the bank stand steady to return
them to him whenever and
wherever he requires,
and it must be admitted that this is a complete
service in itself and all that can be expected by any depositor.
If the
bank is able to make a small earning on the funds and it chooses to
principle

not

reasonable amount of activity against
bank cannot be
expected and should not be asked to furnish more.
I sincerely believe
that the practice of furnishing these extra services in the past has been
responsible for the grief we expecierenced during the past few years.
Bankers believed that they were duty bound to furnish all of these services
regardless of what they cost, to offset the use of funds of their depositors.
permit the
the

individual to

earnihgs, that

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offset a

is the depositor's good) fortune, but the

This practice made it necessary for banks to overwork their investments
and losses resulted therefrom. A dollar is a good deal like a horse. It
cannot stand to be overworked. If it is overworked it will lie down and
die, and the same thing is true with a dollar.
As a class, we bankers can undoubtedly learn a great deal from concerns such as the American Telephone & Telegraph Co.
Past experience
bas proven that investment in stock of their company has been most
desirable. In 1874 the commercial telephone began in a very small way
but bit by bit the business grew until today it is like the banking business: a great industry.
Demand for its services have increased and, in
order to successfully cope with this growth, scientific practices were
employed. This company has been most efficient in its operation. Every
cost, an item of expense, has been determined and is accurately distributed
to its users and) is charged for in proportion to the amount of services
used. Banking service should be disposed of in the same manner. The
system of account analysis , should be as simple as possible, but it must
be borne in mind that short cuts are liable to be expensive and inefficient,
and in many cases unfair to both customer and bank,
Bankers who in the past few years have applied service charges have
met with certain criticisms, the most common being: "I have never been
charged before," or "the bank across the street (or in a neighboring
town) does not make such a charge and I'll go there." These criticisms
cannot be avoided until the public understands the fairness of the
charges and, when they are based upon uniform costs, they will be
accepted more readily by the customer and it will eliminate forever the
practice of people shopping from bank to bank, seeking a place where
free services can be obtained.
Many bankers have a horror of account analysis.

This fear is unfounded

practice can be installed with little expense to the bank
most of the work during spare moments and in between
waiting on customers. The figures are accumulated by a very simple
method, and distributed to the analysis sheet of the customer,
It seems as though every banker has in mind some certain charge which
he feels is impossible to enforce, but all of them are not afraid of the
same charge. In our State one of our bankers was converted to the service
charge idea because of this very fact. He attended a meeting of nearly
100 bankers and very soon discoverd this peculiarity, but he also saw that
every time a fear was expressed by one banker another one would get up
and state that he had had absolutely no trouble with that specific charge.
This convinced our banker friend of the fact that one charge could be
applied just as easily as any other, and that these fears had no foundation,
He is now a strong advocate of a complete service charge schedule,
It must be admitted that there are as many ideas of service charges
and account analysis and methods of applying them as there are bankers,
and every one of them insists on following his own idea. This is our
main stumbling block, as lack of uniformity causes more dissatisfied
customers than any other one thing.
as a very simple
as employees do

Our recommendation and that of the Bank Management Commission is
that cost finding is the first step toward uniformity. This does not need
to scare you, as it does not require the services of an expensive expert,
If, when you go home, you will locate Commercial Bank Management
Booklet No. 15, "Manual for Determining Per Item Cost," issued by the
Bank Management Commission of the American Bankers Association and
proceed at once to determine the various costs in your institution, and
then locate "Bulletin No. 69, Survey of Account Analysis," you will have
laid the foundation for joining this program as far as your own institution
is concerned. The next step will be to agree with other bankers in your
class on a uniform schedule. The two booklets mentioned, costing 35c. to
members of the Association, is the only expense necessary for finding your
costs and determining into which class you belong, and if you are
efficiently managing your institution as compared with other banks in
your classification. I assure you that if you will make this cost analysis,
following Booklet No. 15, you will receive many surprises, and it will
be one of the most interesting experiences you have ever had and you
will understand your bank as you never have before.. _
.
After your costs have been determined and you have aligned yourself
with other banks of your size (within the group to which you belong)

and a uniform schedule is established and the larger andi more active
accounts analyzed, you will have the satisfaction of feeling that your
bank is cooperating with the most constructive movement for the good of
banking that has been establishtd since the business of banking began,
You and your customer may then have confidence because both of you
will know that banking is in step with progress and that banking services
will be dispensed in the same manner that you buy a pair of shoes, a
suit of clothes or a box of candy. This is as it should be, because banking
services are just as real, just as definite, and just as necessary as any
piece of merchandise which can be purchased, the only difference being
that you can see and feel the shoes or the clothes and! taste the candy,
whereas banking services cannot be seen or felt or eaten,
It is up to us to furnish to the customer the service he wants and
needs, but like the clothing store- or the candy shop we must show a
profit sufficient to maintain this service.

Interest
By E. V. Keick, Vice-President

American Trust €o., San Francisco, Calif.

In the face
demand de¬
posits, as an expense item, it still holds second place.
Our interest here in
this subject is to give it our consideration for the purpose of improving the

^The importance of this item in expense control is
of drastic rate

obvious.

reductions and the elimination of interest on

paid on borrowed
The presentation of this sub¬
ject will, therefore, deal only with interest paid on time open accounts,
certificates of deposit and savings'accounts.
Control of interest paid can
At this

particular time in our banklnghistory, Interest

be left out of our consideration.

be maintained in three ways;

may

be disposed of briefly.

problem with each

namely:

In setting rates.

2.

In

3.

quoting rates.
In computing and crediting interest.




perhaps"the]major consideration but

The
vary

1.

by

a

The control in quoting rates is an internal

a'character

as to

call for discretion the authority

such rates rests usually with designated senior officials.

methods used

On

somewhat.

various

in

to have

However, items two and three

bank.
It is general practice, after rates have once
members of the staff with copy of the rate schedule.

If the rates set are of such
to quote

use one or

1.

setting rates is

been set, to furnish

control, if possible.

money may

The question of

complete control all three must be utilized.

cities.
more

in

the

control in computing and

crediting interest

this^point, inquiry

The information

was made of a number of banks
obtained indicates that these banks

of the following methods;

each deoosit and withdrawal daily and checked
second indivudal or by a representative of the auditing department.

Interest is figured on

CLEARING
In

instances'^, control of interest figures is kept and at the end of the

some

period the amount credited may be proved against the calculation of interest
as shown by the interest control figure.
2.

Semi-annual payments of $100
addition to the regular checking.

or

more

are

checked by auditors in

3.

Outside firms

4.

engaged to figure and check interest calculations.

are

Run of old balances, interest, new balances on proof
and filed with auditing department for checking purposes.
6.

customer.

Periodically

■

It will be observed that

*

•

some

Three, demahd deposits have increased much

and investments.

rapidly than time deposits (See Table II).

From the foregoing it is

evident that as" a country our banking systems

organized in such a manner as to make it impossilbe to obtain all the

are

statistical information necessary to

establish

intelligent control of interest

an

Table III is a very good example of the incompleteness of available

paid.

-

While the information is valuable as far as it goes, it is not

information.

absolute

One,

Two, all funds representing time deposits are not employed

II).

in loans

of the methods used do not give an

Three factors

real estate have not declined as rapidly as commercial loans. vSee

on

more

check is made covering rates, calculations and

a

credits.

been twice as much as the reduction of interest paid.

particularly should be kept in mind when considering these figures:
loans

sheets is made

On time open accounts and certificates of deposit, the auditing depart¬
is furnished with a card giving the interest arrangements with the

ment

This analysis reflects that the reduction in income from time deposits
has

Table

Audit department spot checks, calculations and credits.

5.

71

CONFERENCE

TABLE

ROUND

HOUSE

Statistical information giving:

sufficiently complete.

proof of the correctness of the interest figures while one method is quite exact.

1.

If the

2.

Amount of time funds invested in loans;
Income therefrom;

3.

Amount of time funds invested in securities;

received represent a true average of all banks,

answers

that the

majority of banks

then it appears

satisfied, as to control, with a reasonable

are

While control is necessary in quoting rates and in computing

interest,

as

and crediting
stated, the major control is exercised in setting rates.
This is

where sagacious management is given its

Basically

we must

that interest

paid

on

and loan
declines, interest paid must also decline but

deposits must harmonize with investment

As rates rise, the same procedure
be experienced except that rates paid are apt to respond rather slowly.

We

are

all quite aware of the fact

rates have been

The accom¬

panying tables relate to all member banks of the Federal Reserve System
and represent a comparison

increased during the three year period.

The trend of the two appears to
of the situation does not support
average

4.16%, or

return

An analysis

be reasonably satisfactory.
the foregoing conclusion:

loans

on

A breakdown indicates a decline

while interest paid decreased $79,000,000.

in interest received of $65,000,000

and

(See Table II)*

declined from 4.68%

discounts

to

.52 of 1%.

The average return on
.77 of 1%.

investments declined from 3.53%

to 2.76%, or

combined loans and investments declined from
4.13% to 3.34%. or .79 of 1%.
The average return

on

a

a

drop in rates and

It may

"can't
in

A slight offset occurred because of a small percentage

employed funds.

The change in the investment situation

(bonds).

increase in investments

is^evidenced by the following:
Percent of loans and investments to deposits dropped

from 93.3 to 81.0

minus 12.3%.

to 47.4 or plus

2.3%.

There

period the average rate of interest paid on time deposits

declined from 2.55%

it you

a

can't pay it."

any

been

have

you

If it is desirable to control interest paid

bring about the desired results.

factors

are

the replies

to

be considered other than mathematical

siders all savings accounts in

and

deposits

none on

the

One bank

the category of short time funds

Another

accordingly.

interest

pays

bank

Many other banks place

new.

carries

who

the

maximum

very

a maximuih on the amount

Still other banks question the fairness of penalizing

customer

a

the old

on

accepted and either refuse additional deposits or reduce the rate
deposits.

con¬

demand

or

draws

old deposits and new—paying interest

distinct line between
and

In

ones.

received to the questionnaire sent out, the information indicated

wide range of thought regarding savings or thrift funds.

balance

and

wishes

on excess

old time

an

to

deposit

an

additional amount at reduced rate on the additional deposit and yet accepts

depositor at the regular rate the same amount accepted from

new

a

old depositor at tne penalized rate.

the fairness of

reducing the rate

on

Tnere

are

those also who question

all savings accounts because the normal

deposit line has been diluted with new funds to the point that the
investment return has been materially reduced.

If any lasting value

These

to 1.93% or minus .62 of 1%.

At the foot of Table

is to attach to

a

are

average

of the

some

discussion of this kind, then

constructive ideas

should result.

As

and hope that the

discussion

result in developing

First of all,

plan.
same

Rates generally

problems that are evident when fixing the rate.

Percent of investments to deposits increased from 45.1

During this

made.

be argued that these two factors are sufficient for after all if

earn

out that would

Percent of loans to deposits dropped from 48.2 to 33.6 or minus 14.6%*
or

been

comprehensive manner then I believe some program should be laid

a

a

percentage decrease of

having

survey

*1. Net profits were not sufficient to maintain higher rates.
2. New funds could not be employed at current rates to justify maintain¬
ing a higher interest paid rate.

an

by

With, I

have been set without

reduced after considering two main factors:

from

by

This last substantial decline was occasioned
reduction of loans and was further increased

actual control has not been developed.

an

exceptions, interest rates

rare

very

comprehensive

Gross income in three years

However, this figure includes other income which

decreased $30,000,000.

The

Table No. 1 on the

between 1933 and 1935.

favorable answer.

face of it seems to give a

believe,

that during the past few years interest

How well has our control worked?

declining.

long way in aiding the establishment of a proper control.

,

as^a rule the latter is retarded somewhat.
will

Income therefrom;

Cost of handling time funds,

would go a

The result is that

opportunity.

all agree, and the thinking public will be in accord,

As interest income

income.

4.

5.

depending on a check as against actual proof.

approximation

may

suggestion,

a

financial program must be set

a

some

I offer the following
real constructive

a

up; that

is, determine

the percent of deposits that should be carried in the various classifica¬

upon

With this done, the following factors must be given con¬

tions of assets.

sideration:

II it will be noted that

1.
Total deposits increased
Time deposits increased

8,900 millions
1,100 millions

-

Return from sound conversion of deposit funds.

2.

Operating expense (cost of handling deposits and conversion of funds).
Desired profit on deposits before losses.
Rate of interest to be paid (1—[2 +3]^=4).

3.
4.

The difference between the two being an increase

of demand

7,800 millions

deposits of

Table IV illustrates the plan.

The rates and figures

are

arbitrary

ones.

A careful study of this whole question, I believe, will result in the conclusion
For the purpose
were

in

of this analysis, it is assumed that loans and investments

proportion to the deposit lines

(time and demand).

gives the investment rates per $100 deposits in

1935

as

Table III

$2.71.

Table I

gives interest income in 1935 as $965,636,000 representing a drop of $65,-

The increase in demand deposits amounting to 7,800

000,000 from 1933.

millions therefore contributed in 1935

(7,800 millions at $2.71) $211,300,000.

Had it not been for this contribution, the decrease of interest income would
have

been

$211,000,000

plus

$65,000,000

reduction in interest paid of $79,000,000.

or

$276,000,000

as

against

a

This latter figure includes the

reduction of interest on demand and bank deposits amounting to $44,000,-

000.

(See Table I.)

The analysis may be set forth in
tion of loans and investments in
P

In

another way assuming again

a

distribu-"

proportion to the deposit lines.

$352,032,000.
In 1935 time deposits of 10,181

millions at $2.71 (See Table III) earned

$275,905,000.

A decrease of

then interest-bearing

$231,765,000

on

facts resulting from experience

accounts together with related assets must be dealt

I suggest

further than each state association undertake

to determine rate or rates of

various types

the

on

consideration

the

tion should be
time trend

a survey or

study

interest that banks would be justified in paying

of funds.

This study would necessarily take into

question of financial

operations, and the desired profit.

programs

for

banks,

the

cost

of

In addition to these things, considera¬

given to practical phases of customer relationship, the long

of money rates, long time

deposits of

a

permanent

nature as

against short time; genuine thrift accounts as against investment accounts.
In

trying out such

two

would

a

plan some states might find

sufficient while

be

or .more

others

would

one survey

find it

for the entire

necessary

make

to

studies depending upon trade areas, investment possibilities,

local interest rates on loans, loss experience or local conditions.

Many of the state associations have recently appointed research

com¬

It would seem quite logical, that if an intelligent control of interest

mittees.

paid is to be developed, the machinery now available cduld be used.

196,490,000
$35,275,000

Modern Mechanical

control is to be established based

a

with by themselves.

state

1932f time deposits of 9,073 millions at $3.88 (See Table III) earned

A decrease of interest earnings amounting to $76,127,000.
Interest paid on time deposits amounted to: 1933
1935

that if

Equipment as

[Note—*A11 tables referred to above

a

are

omitted.—Ed.]

Factor in Operating Efficiency

and Economy
By Dabrel G. Ensign, Assistant Cashier
It

isTnot

my purpose

this morning to attempt to tell you something new,

but I do hope to call to your
There

are

many

Utah State National Bank, Salt Lake City, Utah

current thinking a few things you already know.

in this country who believe that modern machinery is

responsible for many of

our

fromj'ajjrecent editorial in

ills.

one

As to this I shall only take time to read

of the Salt Lake Oity newspapers:

[* "We all know that machinery is
management.
We
the

owe

anniversary this year of the installation of the first linotype
a time when the world is agitated over the displacement

of men

by mechanical processes.
this machine spelled their doom

Doleful prophecies made by printers that

have not been fulfilled.
The involuntary
expansion of printing, brought about by this invention, has even protected
the handsetters of type.

'

the linotype machine has tolled the knell of handset type
in the newspaper and large publishing houses, the lowering of prices in
books and the immense expansion of newspaper material has put many
more thousands to work than
were formerly employed.
The invention
"Although

caused

temporary displacement of some

increase

"The

labor, but its net effect was to

employment.
same

thing is true in respect to other inventions in this modern

world."




our

friend of labor,

public in general to decrease costs of banking

"With income

so

well

as to

accrue to

capital and
labor.

as

much

as

possible, and in

drastically reduced in recent

banks are forced to reduce operating costs.

our more

as

stockholders, depositors, officers and employees, and

keeping with sound principles.
years,

"The 50th

machine comes at

a

The greatest value has been proved to

it to

Let

us

be like many of

progressive depositors who are continually reviewing their account¬

ing procedures for the purpose of making still further economies.
process

plays
may

a

very

important part.

We know that modern machine methods

be applied to bank routine with the same

such methods have produced in the factory.
bank

In this

of reducing costs we all know that modern mechanical equipment

A

measure

person

of success that

in charge of internal

operations today must, in order to be most valuable to his bank, be

fairly well acquainted with what industry has to offer in the form of

ma¬

chines and equipment.
The

maximum

division of labor.

value

of

mechanical

equipment is realized

through

a

This simply means that each employee should have his

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72
work program so

outlined that his efforts are concentrated on as few

CONVENTION.
"neck of

tasks

ment

possible—in other words, he should not be required to turn from one
task to another too often during the day.
This simplification of an em¬

as

ployee's work program to a few tasks results

in

a

In

high degree of skill because
so it naturally follows

lags, and the rhythm which is so essential to speed and accuracy suffers.
It is relatively easy to

thing for the large banks to group work for machine

are

do not want to make mere machines of their employees.

ments

that these small banks cannot group work

mean

not

a

soon as the incoming clearings
sufficient number of employees from various depart¬

It is desirable to have employees conscious of the

fact that when the clearings arrive they must

doing to take care of them.

are

possible, but for the sake of educating the employees, and for

much as

the

are

assigned to this task.

bottle" will be widened.

for machine performance,

To the medium sized and small banks I say, group your work

they can.
as

I do

incoming clearings

It will be found that by shifting help at the
right time much good will result in the flow of work—the "neck of the

It is the small

have the real problem in applying this principle.

be expanded by the

may

be applied to advantage—as

can

received, have

carrying the division of labor to as fine a point as they could, because they
banks which

The "neck"

otherwise, but it must be made larger.

or

number of banks I have noticed that the

a

principle

It is easy to believe that the largest banks refrain from

performance.

be expanded if the personnel and equip¬

effectively.

"neck of a bottle."
It is normal in Clearing House cities that the
incoming
clearings must be sorted and proved quickly, that bookkeeping and other
departments may have time to perform their function before the go-back
hour for returning checks.
This is a condition to which the shifting-crew

from one task to another much time is lost, concentration

that in turning

function

to

sbifting-crew principle

Employees are human beings,

repetition.

of constant

bottle"—which must

a

are

immediately stop what they

Let them know the

auditing purposes, it is well to periodically transfer employees from one

will

It is this practice which permits, in addition to normal

will

defer

reason

why and they

cooperate, otherwise it will be found that

position to another.

a

point without injury to the employees in any way.

fine

to group

to

In attempting

It is
to the

to functions.

With the purpose in mind of eliminating too much switching of tasks
each employee, and with the sheet of each employee before you, list
opposite each function (procedure 2) the names of employees who should
serve in
that function.
Of course, in so matching employees with the

.

his

he

that

work

Remember, that
one

a

completes

one

■

so arrange

operation before commencing another.

machine performance to advantage by installing
posting.
With tnis system, posting machine use

posting

against

the

banks report

time here to explain it. but I might add that this

provides sufficient check against posting

system

many

You are too well acquainted with this

considerable savings in salaries.

system for me to take the

reduced, and

amount,

wrong

to the wrong account,

and against picking-up the wrong

balance.
As important

as

is mechanical equipment as a factor in operating effi¬

I am firmly convinced that this factor is in large
planning and coordinating of operations.

lost without intelligent

measure

In other works, the

effectiveness of machine operation is dependent upon

You cannot any more obtain efficiency and

internal bank management.

in operations just by installing a machine that you can otherwise

economy

My observations tell me that the

banks by just passing a law.

have good

greatest single need in

internal bank operation today is some one in each
activities—some one whose responsibility

bank whose duty it is to coordinate
It is to

the whole picture, in contrast to tne

see

department head who

sees

I think Mr. H. N. Stronck must have had this

only his part of the whole.

in mind when he asked in his book

a

evidenced in an uneven flow of work. If B's

started until A completes

nature that he cannot get

a

B is retarded in his work if A keeps him

I like to think of such an interruption in the flow of work as the

waiting.

The "neck" must be made larger, whether it be by changing
machinery, shifting help as between depart¬

system, improving the

These simple
mon

to find

illustrations, which attempt to demonstrate

an uneven

where it is com¬

flow of work, only typify like conditions which
may

be found in other departments throughout the bank.

chinery

are

Employees and ma¬
dependent upon an even flow of work in order to perform to

their maximum capacity.
The lack of coordination is evidenced in many
ways.

At times

we see

banks adding new departments or employing additional workmen to handle
a

service,

new

&c.

type of work caused by new laws, service charges,

or a new

A coordinator will very often find it possible to merge these additional

requirements into the present set-up with less running
up

necessary,

be

the first thought

impossible

describe their items, so
to handle service

charges

was

to

set

up

a

distinct operation

The securing of the "float" for each business

almost

an

expense than if set

For instance, when the problem of service charges became

separately.

are not

task,

charges.

made

especially

extra

an

since

employee

or

but

for

this

account seemed to

few

deposit

tickets

of employees are hired

set

The point is—if the operations involving service

a part

of the natural flow of work the cost of securing

the needed information is expensive, and to a

large extent offsets the objec¬
In other words, it is important in

tive you are working for—net profits.
such

a

case

as

this to have

in the bank fit this function in with

someone

the present set-up as far as is possible.
here

Time will not permit

me

to outline

system for securing the "float" with the regular routine, but I have

a

outlined

a

procedure for distribution to any who wish to

this meeting has

after

secure a copy

adjourned.

constantly increasing skill has worked them together to produce marvelous
results, and at unbelievably low costs.

In every bank within my experience

that has high pperating costs, I find the trouble not to be
of proper

work is of such

In other words, this
the other departments*

We know that management has taken the agents of
production, and with

factor?"

certain phase of the process, then

consideration

ments, or otherwise.

"Bank Management":

"Why do some banks still use the fixed-position plan of employees in
departmental operations, with a resultant low time-utilization factor, as
contrasted with the "shifting-crew" principle with a high time-utilization

The lack of coordination is

proper

or

not"permit

purpose.

ciency and economy,

thing to find banks who do not give

a common

handling of "proof"

of producing.

tremendous waste follows the continuous changing from
Quite a number of banks have grouped their book¬

than cut in half, paper costs are

more

stoppage will

larger bookkeeping force

a

department.

the

what we all know as single
is

a

personnel and equipment to produce what they would otherwise be capable

task to another.

keeping operations for

be taken

must

or

receipt of the items, and the

after they are received from the proof

_

far as is practicable

work, which will necessitate

interruption in the flow of work does

functions, due consideration must be given to such as the adaptability
of the employee for that particular work, &c.
4
From this latter list a work program can be set up for each employee.

planning each employee's routine, as

Care

"batch" department peak periods which occur
daily.
Items are held altogether too long in this department, with the result
that more persons are required to handle the clearings, on us,
transits, &c.,

3

(Do not make the mistake of thinking you know your organization so well
that it is not necessary for you to write it down on paper.)
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certain time.

a

handled expeditiously

are

go-back hour.

for

In

clearings

because of the lessened time between actual

head of a sheet of paper, using
a separate sheet for each person.
List under the name of each employee
the things he does in the order he does them, as well as the approximate
length of time each task takes.
2. Make a list of all the operations of the bank—not as to operators, but
as

these

that

see

result in the flow of

work I recommend the following procedure:

your

List the name of each employee at the

1.

some employees at times
while they finish work for which no one is

depending on them completing by

promotions, the large banks to carry tne division of labor to

turnover and

this clearing work

ment.

a

Management then is the key to the proper
it

upon

equipment, not incompetent labor, but

internal

also

depends

bank

the

amount

management

will

of

production

reflect

itself

in

much

so

deficiency in
use

a

lack

manage¬

of machinery, and

per

employee.

proper

Good

co-ordinating of

activities.

Economies in Buying Supplies
By William C. Tompkins, Auditor
"What constitutes economy" in the purchase of supplies
different from that in almost any

The question

and services for a bank is considerably
other business

The reason for this lies in the fact that banks
with almost every kind of business.
Conse¬

institutiqn.

business relationships

have

be

quently, to define what in itself constitutes a real economy one must
able

analyze the whole situation

to

it concerns his particular bank,

as

&c.
complexity of this problem is directly proportionate to the size of

taking into consideration balances, goodwill,
The

As

the bank.
and

a

result, in the purchase of supplies and services in a bank,

especially in the larger bank, there are involved many questions of

policy which prevent a mere dollar
What may

when viewed from the standpoint of
mere

and cents approach to the problem.

superficially appear as an economy may be rank extravagance
bank policy and bank relations.

The

saving of a few dollars in the pin-chase of an individual item may not

in itself be an

economy

when all related factors are properly considered.

Because of this situation, purchases in a
vision of

a

sideration

bank should be under the super¬

the many and varied

an

delicate questions of policy that are

purchases supplies in such

institution

advisable to designate some

policy is involved.
function

officer whenever the question of bank

primarily from

the standpoint of detail and operation.

have some one employee for this purpose it is

usually advisable to place the responsibility on some

than one officer,
are

junior officer who

can

the purchase of new equipment should rest with

preferably two, and such officers should be those

familiar with the entire internal I operation of the institution, and

in most cases

responsible for such operation.

In handling a

subject

as




such

It must also be

surrounding each individual

There is

one

case must

be

principle, however, which is funda¬

securing economy in purchases and this is that supplies be pur¬
chased by the institution rather than be sold to it.
In making such a

statement it is not intended to infer that salesmen or
saleswomen are not
to be given a courteous hearing.
In this connection there

often exist other

factors that present difficulties.
directors of

an

retail stores

or

In many instances there

institution who have

an

handling supplies of

use

are

officers and

outside interest in

manufacturing

the institution.

This interest

to

should be given only a proper influence in the
placing of orders, and should
never
be permitted to work to the disadvantage of the
institution itself

merely because of

an inside track.
There may, of course, be occasional
exceptions to this situation and they should be handled with
proper regard
to sound bank policy in the
light of circumstances existing in each particular
case.

In the purchase of
most

insurance, which is one of the largest items bought by
institutions, and probably the most difficult to handle, the policies
be arranged for most advantageous coverage at the
least possible

cost to be consistent with the

of

our

larger banks have

on

practical economies of the institution.

Many

their books balances from insurances
companies,

insurance brokers, agents and employees of insurance
companies, running
into many millions of dollars.
While it is impossible to divide the limited
amount of insurance that

a

bank has to give among all of those

balances with it, it is essential that as far
i.

as

maintaining
possible reciprocity be practiced,

to the extent that insurance is placed with those
carrying balances
rather than with particular friends or relatives of officers
of the institution.
e.,

time

an

example—an officer in

a

Middle Western bank spent considerable

period of approximately two years listening to and
conferring
with representatives of various organizations who had
impressed him with
over

a

the idea that they could, by the selection of preferred
risks, carry a portion
of the insurance of the institution at a great saving.
Definite

figures'after

that assigned to the speaker, it must be borne

in mind that in talking before a group

conditions

mental in

As

purchasing of necessary supplies.

The responsibility for
more

is

This employee should not be the final authority but

Where it is impractical to

attend to the

quantities that it

problem from the standpoint of bank rela¬

tions and discuss it with the senior

who

borne in mind that

taken into consideration.

should

employee to handle details in this connection v

he should be trained to view the

should

lay down hard and fast rules that will apply to all alike.

senior executive officer who is in a position to give proper con¬
to

frequently involved in the pin-chase of bank supplies and services.
Where

First National Bank, St. Louis, Mo.

as

is here today, one cannot

an

exhaustive analysis disclosed that the saving would amount to
approxi¬
a year.
For an institution spending each year

mately $1,275

many times

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i

of said

the amount

readily be

saving for

companies,

surance

the purpose of

creating

goodwill, it can

that the institution, having on its books balances from in¬

seen

brokers,

agents,

&c.,

amounting to several

million

dollars, could ill afford to place its insurance with the companies having no

forms

pended for the

several times the amount of the saving

as

purpose of creating

goodwill

was

ex¬

and further the income from

balances maintained by other companies far exceeded the saving suggested.

Frequently
directors
services.
purpose

of influence

men

various

of

in

companies,

Ordinarily

this

various

communities

receiving

procedure,

of influencing business.

it

be

can

Interests

are

compensating

a

fee

readily seen,

be given

of this kind should

consideration, but should not be permitted to work to the disad¬

proper

checks and similar items.

The

purchase of legal services calls for

of

insurance, in that such

Also in the

toward relatives,

be secured

without bias

ownership or directorship in the institution.

In recent

banks have of necessity required highly competent legal advice to an

years

unusual degree, and under such circumstances it is consistent with economy
that these services be reasonable

competence and lack of bias.

as

to

price, from the standpoint of both

Nothing is

expensive as poor legal advice.

so

case

of such forms

of the size and shapes of

need to be filed

as

valuable in such instances.
for reference his knowledge

files is helpful.

Due to the many changes that are taking place in

somewhat similar approach to

a

services should

purchase supplies in too large quantities.

one

institution where the

purchasing of supplies was handled by an

several occasions with the result that they had on

be in

six or

no way

influenced by the known desires

opinion.

There

on

the part of a bank's offi¬

are many

Many institutions feel that it is economical to go into the printing business

instances of attorneys

have had their opinions in¬

and this

may

accounts

of

Obviously

burger stand adjacent

every

institution desires

an open

and unprejudiced opinion care¬

fully considered from an unbiased legal standpoint.

Only legal services of

this kind result in ultimate economy.

not

imply that purchases should be made from

deposit with the institution

a

any one

receipt of an order.

on

be correct where the individual institution does not have

A sign in front of a counter in a ham¬

printing companies.
to a

bank is

a

good example of the policy of

balances
this does

who agrees to place

The policy in this

and the hamburger stand was to refrain from

conceivably be the

very

printing function.

An

proper

from selling hamburgers

cashing checks.

attitude for the bank to adopt
actual

of the

analysis

cost

stances the cost is

A good plan for cases of this kind is to let it be definitely known that the

bank—not only did the supplies actually cost more

institution always tries to reciprocate in making its purchases with those

outside, but

who maintain balances with it, and that if the company in

would

to open an account

and maintain

a

balance it will be given due consideration

than when purchased

the reciprocal relations with firms in the printing

have

added

to

exceptions to this rule

the
we

profit

account

In the larger institutions

realize.

limited amount of equipment, to take care only of forms
purposes,

merely to secure

general rule it is

a new

mistake to purchase supplies

a grave

bank account.

of

Purchases made at any time from friends or customers of the institution
should be made at the then prevailing prices and not at a premium.

When

a

institution being trained in the institution and familiar

operation thereof, particularly as to the use of various forms

sity of the maintenance of them for records.

premium may be tacked on by

once

because of being a customer.
There

that
is

no

are

are a

on

cheaper paper at

a

and the neces¬

limited period.

considerable saving.

period of many

there

are

volumes have been written on this subject there

years

and the one making purchases, realizing this need, should purchase

as

It is just

as

essential to

see

that

a

various records that should be maintained for a

quality of

paper

In many cases losses have

that fits the situation.

supplies are not wasted, after being purchased, as it is to endeavor to pur¬

incurred through inability to produce proper records, due to

chase to the best advantage.

and such losses could have been avoided if such forms

and

records

Proper storage facilities for supplies should be

kept

deliveries

of

From time to time there should be
to see that certain ones

are

not

a

to

the

a

period of
to

departments.

or

and departments them¬

These records should be maintained for

machine purchased.

years so

that at the time of reorder it

can

readily be ascertained

quantities previously purchased, length of time in which they were

consumed and costs at the time the purchases were made.
One

making purchases should, of course,

operation of the bank and have
supplies ordered

so

on a

a

better quality of paper.

economy in

over-ordering from the supply room, and

Records (preferably on cards) should be maintained covering each

form, item

as

various

check among the various departments

that supplies are not being wasted in tellers' cages

selves,

to conform to the

from the

be familiar with the routine

real knowledge of the necessity of the

frequently been made by officers in smaller banks tnat

they cannot waste their time in saving $1.00 to $2.00 in the purchase of

useful pursuits.

can

employ this time to better advantage in more

This is quite true, but continual saving in the course of

year's time really amounts to something,

and the best interests

a

of the

institution must always be borne in mind.

Frequently supplies
discount.

may

Those shaping the policies should

give questions of this kind consideration so that the supplies used for the
purpose

stated will, in their opinion, be such as to properly represent the

Frequently purchasing agents
which

are

does

not

mean

that

a

great

many

particular form should be ordered, but it may be possible that two




of
or

are

called

upon

by representatives of firms

making special drives disposing of certain stocks on hand, &c.

and the purchaser is

requested to order immediately to profit by the special

There is danger here that the purchaser will be stampeded.
a

period of

years

will

no

Every purchaser whether he be

an

cases

out of ten is "No."

officer or employee of the institution

should be willing to listen to salesmen or saleswomen who pay
honor of

a

visit.

Expe¬

doubt show that the best answer to

"hurry up" requests of this kind in nine

them the

By listing to people who call on you with the desire to

make sales, one may
ances

be purchased in quantities that will bring

This

Practicing too strict economy

cheap paper is often poor economy

institution.

that forms of which only a limited number are used

they

dignity of the institution.
on too

prices.

as

readily be seen that the small apparent

standpoint of public relations.

rience over

deposit tickets

can

the original purchase in reality was no economy.

purchasing forms and stationery

daily will not be bought in large quantities, and those used in large quanti¬
The remark has

It

been

deterioration,

had been prepared

Stationery that reaches the hands of the public should be of such quality
as

ties be bought on a hand-to-mouth basis.

considerable

These may

On the other hand,

great many details in connection with the purchase of supplies

essential, but

need for repetition at this time."

maintained

the

Certain forms are used only

and their retention as records is only for a

be made

hands

with the interior

making such purchases from customers the one in charge must be alert to

dealer who considers himself at advantage

a

good arrangement.

again stress the importance of the one making purchases in

we

the existing market and should obtain competitive quotations so that no
a

probably

for confidential

&c., when it is preferred that these forms not be in the

outsiders, is

May

business

There are

of the institution.

being made.

a

in¬

really greater to operate a printing establishment in the

in the general course of business whenever future purchases in its line are

As

This might
toward the

of home printing as

compared with the cost if purchased outside has shown that in many

connection must be tempered with sound judgment from all points of view.

question wishes

sound

stand had a

It stated that the bank and the hamburger

reciprocation.

mutual agreement whereby the bank was to refrain

While it is true that bank policy should take into consideration
of customers in the making of purchases of supplies or services,

hand obsolete forms of

eight different lots in large quantities.

fluenced by the known desires of the officials in charge of the institution.

who, in their desire to please management,

the banking business it

This is
day.
In
officer
who had only a limited time to attend to the purchases, and who in reality
only ordered as requested by employees, it was found that one particular
form of which only one was used each business day had been purchased
in quantities of 5,000.
Due to changes the form had been reordered on
does not appear wise to

particularly true of the forms of which only a few are used each

It is especially important in this connection that the advice of the attorney

cials with respect to his

experience in
the

be made use of, as his knowledge of

may

different kinds, makes and sizes of paper is very

vantage of any bank in dealing with said companies.

that

When new forms are

making the purchases should be consulted so that his

working out the size of form

the

purchasing counter
under consideration the

This is particularly true in

one

for

work

be prepared whenever practical in such size as to

that forms may

out with the least waste.

their

for

is

making purchases should have knowledge of the sizes of paper

one

local

made

wh^n such opportunities

offered.

The
so

This requires a careful

potential requirements

and

time, thereby
check and

by the printer at the same

run

quantity discount.

a

analysis of actual
are

business relations with it for the purpose of saving the paltry amount men¬

tioned, particularly so

be ordered to be

can

making possible

acquire knowledge of

new

forms, systems and appli¬

which is invaluable to the institution which he represents.

a

In closing may we say that if it were possible to chart the activities of

one

purchasing agents our idea is that the best showing would be made in such

three

cases

where the savings line

paralleled the reciprocity line most closely.

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Knowing the Facts, by Harry R. Smith

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RELATIONS CLINIC PROCEEDINGS.
Customer Relations Inside and Outside the Bank, by Dunlap

Page
75

Op^^^R^a^s of

RudoVph

77

Knowing the Facts
By Harry II. Smith, Assistant Vice-President of the
whatever

From

banking,

it

angle

approach

you

becomes apparent

soon

problem of

the

that

of

one

the

public

relations

vital

most

in

forces in

Bank of America N. T. & S. A.,
the

demands,

molding public opinion is the personal contact between the banker himself

current

and the

studies

public.

of

rooms

clubs,

Nation

the

locker

These contacts

ing

and

and

rooms

In every one

smoking

of these contacts

public opinion

on

but in

telephone,

cars.

that

of

sions

banking from their contact with junior officers, tellers and other
employees because there are / more of them, and because the customers
them

contact

Gradually

haughty and disdainful, because

are

all

treat

men

with

customers

bankers

senior

have

begun

to

the

of

that bankers

impression

have been, insisting that

we

and

courtesy

consideration,

of

the barriers which

remove

discoraged personal contact with the general

it

problem still remains, however, that of disabusing the minds of the public
hazy or erroneous ideas they have regarding the nature and function
banking.

to be the

simple

Before

to

we

that

sure

knows

informed

the

discuss

to

about

the

The

clerks

senior

the bank.

for

How

Many of

still

you

education
to

know

at

and

the

extent

of

the

junior

banking, at least

bank

employees

sufficiently
7 :

take advantage of

may

which

the

how

of

its

arise

both

and

facts

answer

to

that

and

outside

employees

our

its
over

first, the functions and mechanics of
institutions

other

This is

credit unions.

has

section,

such

the present

The Institute,

well

39,000 were enrolled in its

Now

of

some

of

scope

its

through its 220
members,

50,000

over

The study

courses.

building

and

loan

associations

work

approach
and

and

to this

important

a

and

new

subject.

practical

more

The study

of

money

excellent background in the theory of banking and
by which banking has developed to its present form

an

credit

teaches

These

subjects
is

in

not

officers

courses

trust business.

officer and

the American
the

however,

operate

of

and

Nation

Banking he

merely' to

principles

banking

the

in

train

laws

the

and

these
facts.

employees

and

banking.

regulations

undergoing constant change.

are

study

know the

would

and practice of

the

would

junior

The

under

con¬

which

The Institute provides

Women

but

facts

and

men

equal

almost

of

others.

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a

its

debat¬
the facts

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to present

women

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program

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manner.

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women

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story to tell,

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the message of banking

carry

the radio, as

over

the

of

program

business

of

our

Bankers

American

Rutgers

are

School

Graduate

University.
charged

now

Beyond the work
Banking, now

knowing the facts.

Institute is the

at

Last June

the

from

weeks

these

eminent
to

Union

of

Designed

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executive

with

responsibility," the

give

intensive

assembled at

Rico.

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Vice-Presidents,

bank

Cashiers

administration,

and

economics

banking

these students

sessions

bankers.

as

will

for

do

of

to

the

future

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these

who

be

can

of

Institute

develop

in

this

called

Banking

country

the

destiny of

opinions.

private

Men

whose
in

banking;

the

as

of

American

Banking
We

time.

the American

this

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Institute

of

entail

necessarily

appreciate

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more

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considerable

greatly

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evidence

you

participation

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a

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and

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in

the

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the work
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task would

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of

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banking gives
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its

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principles of commercial law and

is

e.g.,

problems and

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officers,

training in public speaking and debate that has made

the

return

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study of the law of negotiable instruments.
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of

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curriculum

however,

every

cannot

that they

so

we

A

appears

junior officers should be well informed regarding

public

facts?

know the

tional program

what

giving out misinformation.

and

are

by

offering,

they have for the most art been silent.

years

the

contribution

in

main

major problems of banking, but they should!

routine

banking and economics
opportunities

the

in

single employee from the President

every

we

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that

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means

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avoid the mistake of

to

facts;

and that

messenger.

should be able
be

solved

give the facts to the public,

know

we

be

can

of giving the public the facts.

process

can

the facts;

the

problem

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is

facts

to

and

courses

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years

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possible for Institute

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of

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but

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least

at

by

graduates

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or

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public speaking

the

problems, current

should like to digress for

To

is to

the

officer

San Francisco, Calif.

the times

of

for

courses

instructor

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as

thought.

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recent

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in

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bankers.

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,

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regarding banking and

give naturally depends

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occur

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Customers

By Helen Kavanaugh, Wells Fargo Bank & Union Trust Co., San Francisco, Calif.
For

they

centuries

were,

due

privileges of
and
the

to

the

his

ruling

what

change

But

a

Figures

fact

trained

leader—the

develop.

considered

were

that

on

mental

power

in

inferior

they

Man monopolized

men.

with

then

women

and

has

takes

at
a

least
woman

a

the

four-year




years

and

And1,

men.

the

of

course,

and

advantages

and

athletic

super-strength,

fields,

became

in the world.
picture

file at the Mayo

10

to

denied

educational

equipment
since

is

longer period
longer

to

educational
will

the

women

have

been

allowed

divulge the fact that
now

the stronger of

of life—despite

reach

the

age

of

the

to

woman,

the two,
fact

forty.

In

that
an

only
this

last

than

she has not only crept up

him.

In

the

male.

If

have

a

many

This

men.

decade

the

female

they

monopoly

of

the

continue

our

own

species
to

on

improving

man
are

but

but indicates that she
more

women

students

University of California.

has gained 500,000

increase

education,

been

on

there

universities

is true of

at

will

this

also

rate

in

In

number

they will not

control

the

vote

of

country.

While
she

way

surpass

enrolled

over

Clinic

through her greater resistance to disease,
it

were

the

has

economic

woman

also

has

been

condition,

physically

flourishing financially.
the financial

power

and

advancing mentally,

Due to various

of the

women

of

changes in

America

is

our

daily

more

contained

in

and

the

have

spending

85%

of

earned

the

of

this

of

income

They own the
companies, too numer¬
ous
to
mention, which gives them, in the final analysis, control of
practically three-quarters of America's wealth.
The women themselves
by

64% of

and

men,

left by other

estates

women.

if

certainly the

especially bankers,

men,

are

surrounded

the

growth

death by her fellow men
At the present time there are
23
exception, every bank in San
Francisco.
These girls are ready with a reasonable amount of notice to
go out and address club groups on banking services.
Several are already
doing this very thing.
The girl can either prepare her own paper and
submit it to her bank for approval, or the bank can supply her with the
material.
By contacting clubs and letting them know that speakers are
available, it would be a very easy matter to arouse and awaken women
to the realization
that a bank has many different types of services to
offer.
A woman is well qualified to do this type of banking missionary
work, because in place of the technical and academic language of her
brother banker,
she talks plainly and simply; therefore, she does not
confuse or perplex.
A. girl with charm and personality who has had faith
and confidence enough in her organization to remain with it for a period
of years
would naturally have her spirit so imbued with the policy,
background and ideals of it that she would be able to engender in her
listeners
the
faith and confidence
that she herself has for her bank.

for thousands of years,

of man

that

brought to the realization that woman is to be seriously con¬
financially and,
if she continues
to prosper and! increase in
as she
has in the last decade, is it not possible that in time to

number

far

they have,

as

their

overlooked the importance of

never

a

woman

definitely concentrated upon her as
The figures of one of the largest companies in the
have

They

indicate.

in the last five

disclose the fact that

withheld by request)

(name

their annuity business has increased 535%, and 73% of this business

years

of

have

prospect.

records

world

with

was

that women in the space of 100 years would travel as
and gather unto themselves three-quarters of the wealth

companies

business

a

That may sound

revenue?

of

source

rich, fertile country of ours?

Insurance
as

only

impossible, but who would have been bold enough 150 years

prophesy

to

ago

of this

the bankers'

be

will

she

far-fetched and

business?

women's

value

of

few

a

receive such

company

By spending

time

educate

to

Personnel

large percentage
them regarding the
a

bankers

exceptions,

as

regarding

women

wealth.

of her

fear

will

about—and

nothing

able to

be

Few

help them

women

They do not know that
unload,

or

the

mystifying

baffled

bank has nothing

a

they know

educating

they

that

in

through

have

the services

to

access

bank.

a

Bankers

are

of

their

in

There

their

are

many

which

in

ways

'

handled:

units

as

service

or

this

in

and in

fellow

citizens,

desire of

every

educational

and

could

her

By the proper type of advertising.

Because street

car

woman

see

can

or

woman

women

in

see

woman

a

be

would

man

intangible, why women

many

doesn't mean

This

clients.

women

be able to

who would

department,

every

vanity

for women who may dislike asking a
she is reluctant to display

such that

is

especially before

ignorance,

help

average

a

questions

answer

Woman's

the

separate banking department, but
in a conspicuous place in the bank,

have

two

one

advice.

will

intuition

that

tangible,

deal with

to

should

one

explain and

man's

be

suited

be

of

power

conditions

reasons,i some

they

that

should

a

man.

to colof.
Even
white walls and furniture
warm,
restful colors, because of the beneficial effect that
color has on tire patients.
Banks as a rule are cold-looking edifices of
marble
(and a client endeavoring to borrow money often feels the same
A

1.

One

their fellow men.

if they were perceivable to him.

even

of

scores

better still,

serve,

-

with,

better

are

there
or,

an

banker.

program

are

necessarily

doing

so

This

and

circumstances

to cope

cleiks

wouldn't

great civic

a

should, because no woman is ever
They all use the same type of

It

woman.

intrigue

lives.

children's

There

welfare,

Why

be

groups,

their

to

the

on

community.

for women

the ultimate

business,

own

their

of

this either

things—a

two

pride' themselves

group,

banking services

better?

to

just as easily as

another

through

of

unable

standing

on

could do

accomplish

increase

minded

education

Banks

service?
would

civic

a

intellectual

and

program

which

the average wife sees through that old
story about working late at the office.
Women have greater vision and are more sensitive to situations than
men; more adaptable, better fitted to understand another woman's problems
and requirements; quicker to
recognize vulnerable spots and be guided
accordingly.
All women as potential mothers have the tremendous "power
of intuition," a gift bestowed upon them by God', to aid them in guiding

nothing to sell

syndicate,

qualities of women be a distinct handicap to
If so, wouldn't a woman-to-woman business

out

work

with

are

her?

with

mystified by another

or

through

that you

women

of investing

lack

and

manner

dealing

artifice

this feeling.

advantages

in

arrangement

Security Analysis Department.

happiness
a

do

nor

by

only

is

it

overcome

of the

aware

are

the women

baffling; they are unable to
admit that they do not understand their own
of understanding on their part regarding the

they even
this

Wouldn't

them

That is why they are suspicions.
It is only human nature
and be suspicious of that which we do not understand—that which

know

we

doubt this type of woman is

no

men;

admit that women

readily

men

wives.

"'for the

executive,

one

found.

deal with

prefer to

understand them ;

mystery."

to

the words of

use

Most

the trust department has always been enveloped in a cloud

average woman

of

To

be

to

determine, because there aire no
Of course there will always be some

difficult to

is

already doing all her business with the bank.
But what about
who are not?
With whom would they prefer to do business?

They either do not know about
the
complex and
a
trust account or investment
department services, or they are bewildered by them.
During these interviews I heard many adjectives applied to my sex; no
superlatives, just powerful,
descriptive adjectives, such as women are
temperamental to do business with, taciturn about their affairs, evasive,
inconsistent, and most of all suspicious—very 6Uuspicious.
For instance,
a woman
may wish to create, a trust, a living trust, and when she finds
that she is required to assign and convey her property and assets over
to the bank, she suspects that the bank is resorting to subterfuge to gain
checking accounts.
intricate functions of

possession

who

women

it

On what grounds they

another woman.

than with

them

with

assumption
statistics

authentic

savings and

only the

their

base

banking

various

the

business

do

whole have never tried to educate

a

services.
Upon inter¬
viewing a number of bank executives and men whose duty it is to solicit
new
business, the fact was brought out that many women made use of
inform

or

with the proper

girls who

to employ

should endeavor

directors

training would be eligible for promotion to various departmental positions.
Men seem to believe—in fact, definitely say—that women would rather

investment.

annuity as an

an

With

this

How did

women.

is

they thought she knew too much.
active members representing, with one

stances

come

have

club

because

you

are

club with qualified speakers ready to do this work.
In
have two clubs, one for the men and one for the
the women's club that I would like to tell you.
called the Hypatians, after the brilliant woman scholar

philosopher of Alexandria, who was stoned to

and

they were they would pay more attention to

sidered

education of women regarding banking
chapter in the United States there is a

is about

It

The

not aware of it, • because
them.
When you take into consideration that it has been only a period of
about a hundred years, perhaps, since woman has been out of her enforced
seclusion, and compare that hundred years with all the favorable circum¬
and

large

every

Francisco Chapter we

San

women.

important stake that they hold in the financial set-up,

not aware of the

are

speakers for the

almost

In

speaking

public

the slightest change in
in the field of adult

whether for the clerk, the senior banker, for whom they con¬
School of Banking, or the uninformed public, is pre¬

supply

to

services.

greater percentage of stock in many of the largest

exponent

outstanding

an

Graduate

the

duct

pared

and

world,

financial

education,

of

beneficiaries

Institute of Banking, sensitive to

American

The
our

country.

cent, of the savings accounts are in their names; they are
80% of life insurance outstanding; receive 70% of estates

Sixty-five per
left

have speakers address them.

eager to

the

other

several

clubs are usually

belongs to some club or society, and these

Almost every woman

important.
At the present time, according to figures
magazine "Nation's Business" for September, 1935, and
financial magazines, they legally own 60% of the dollars

becoming

75

CLINIC

RELATIONS

CUSTOMER

CONSTRUCTIVE

advertising is forced

deal

great

vision, it carries more of an appeal and is read by many more people than
any other form of printed matter.
However, the type used at present regarding
trusts, carries only an appeal to married men with responsibilities.
There will be a
picture of a distracted widow clutching her children to her, with the words alongside
the picture—A trust fund will prevent this, or something similar.
If unaware of the
functions of a trust, a woman would be led to believe that in order to benefit from a
trust, one must be a widow with little children.
2. Then there is the radio.
People will listen when they are too indolent to read,
too thoughtless to Inquire.
A program arranged in the form of a duologue. A
duologue is a relief from the monotony of a single voice and enables the advertiser to
put into the mouths of the performers, the questions the audience would be likely

in

banker

the

and

personality
chill.

red

Figures

to

raise, much in the manner of informal conversation.
If the lines are cleverly
written, and expertly handled by competent performers, the duologue can retain

himself).

admit

Bankers

once

and

of

warmth

woman's

a

that
of

in this respect.

It is

possess

women

the

that

bankers are the first to say that
the greater portion of the wealth.

(and

conclusively

Institute

American

brightness

The

tape.

prove

figures do not lie)

much of the Impulsiveness and spontaneity of informal conversation.
3. The third way, and unquestionably the best, because the direct spoken word
is the most powerful of all, is by personal contact and lecturing to them in groups.

glaring

could do a great deal to remove some of the
said that what banking needed was more ruffles

costume

Dorothy Dix
lees

and

reactions

the

upon

the regultion

of

favor

about

laid

is

stress

discarded

hospitals have

upon one's

of

education.
speakers to

The

majority of women need banking

Banking

ready

is

qualified

with

serve

to the bankers to do the rest.

up

•

r

-

•

•

Customer Relations Inside and Outside the Bank
By Dunlap C. Clark,
Public

relations

and

management,

time.

present
three

Savings,

which

safe

the

the

confidence

to

and

other

their

communities

is

recognized

understand

to

many

by

Commission,

of Dr.

is

at

the

still

places,

in

much
and

in

the

headed

one

important plans.

Harold

Association

by

more

than

past

our

the

They

American

are

our

of

banks

Rudolf

S.

of

both

and

in

their

an

this

summer.

There

relations

is

as

-

has

direction
relations

much

misunderstanding regarding

In large banks

as




in

v

.

the

smaller institutions.

importance

the

of public

True, the former have

customers

departments

seniors,

part

of

the

of

their

sallies

would-be

from

this

extending

for

cooperation.

Since

large

cultivating

primarily

the

proper

bankers

amount of

lazy?"

the
speak

until

the attitude

this

of

with

years

such

of

relations

institutions,

officers.

can

actually

by and large,

we

are.

afford

contract

large
many

present

banks

the

I

in

assisted

Kalamazoo.

size,

how
I

of

the

rather

hearsay but

when

they

where

but

from

the largest
ago,

Bank

Most bankers,

activities,

thought and" effort?

I think,

their
field,

they are

against

department

not

of

one

three

that

guard

must

business

new

of

plants

between ■ credit
particularly

banks,

most

they

But even

and

offices

antipathy

take

which

of

because

public

active
of

They

I

the

of

the American National

the smaller

the

desirability

into

is to contact

customers.

the officers, especially

getting

natural

connected

years

institutions,

in

than
on

13

and
a

funds,

depredations

some

in

departments

men.

bank's

organization of

"specialists"

the

full

credit

experience, having been
country

the

in

and

desks

seems

business

new

prospective

as

difficulty

their

there

And

well

as

have

from

away

and

"watchdogs"

on

than

important subject of discussion in the Graduate School of Banking

was

these

their' friends.

Hecht,

public

the

departments whose prime responsibility it

bank

departments

in the American Bankers

Banking,

extension

the

Postal

able President, Robert V.
The Public Educa¬

well carried out under the

Institute

outside

money

program.

President,

Stonier, Educational Director,

and

importance

Bank of Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo, Mich.

business

there

markedly

in which they can be of real service.

ways

no

the

Fleming, who consistently stresses it in his
projected

there

bank

in

institutions

returned

hiding

fields

rightfully belongs in the banks.
This, however, is only
public relations problem.
It is the duty of banks to

daily lives, and the

tion

neglected

financial

has

holiday,

banking

vaults

President American N ational

most

important

more

general

deposit

of

one

of the

phase

This

is

none

following

years

in

help

perhaps

While

hoarded

one

is

or

a

do

work

small,

direct

to

challenge

staff

of

far| more
must

rest

agree

them
"Are

to
a
we

76

BANKERS'

Perhaps,
the

old

realize

though

modity is
is

instances,
I

or

am

desirable

basis,

attempt
not

are

In

the

book,

do

to

so

on

difficult type

most

another

price

a

to

not,

several

tellers

this

com¬

than

compete

reference

tainly

complain,

this

increased

in

perhaps

of

loans

1936.

two

rare

rates.
sound

other

once

a

be

cannot

part of

ears

not

no

contact.

Cer¬

all

justly

may

In

bank

our

29,

we

soliciting

the

our

credits.

banks

in

Kalamazoo

showed

increase

the

We

proves

From

would

seem

Outside

the

be

to

Bank."

the

Logically,

determination

of

the

first

policy

a

step

with

in

bank

any

respect

public

to

relations.

Let

entirely

new

the

severely

involved

of

"Spokane

Plan,"

we

so-called

deposits and

other

State

its deposits available

is it

It is

admitted

much

fact

capitalized
Policy."

therefore, from

Kalamazoo,

then

70

old,

years

had

few

months after

is

a

been
the

on

articles

our

part

in

to

the

make

entitled

complete

succeeding

is

perhaps

half

to

as

less

concerning

from

by

growth

two

have

we

mittedly the

no

modern

and

Outside

the

two,

Bank."

The

of

battle.

what

it

day in and day out,
So

in

banks,

is

to

after

years

latter

is

been

school

Acknowledged

success

the brunt of

daily

that

fact

or

it

failure determines

or

tion

the latest

of

presents

ordinarily
have

The

is
the

customer contacts

falls

being
well

the

as

house

builders

and

maintained

understanding of the bank's policies and condition is of utmost importance.
Since our inception frequent
meetings of the staff have been held.
Our
cashier and I, the only officers at the
start, came to Kalamazoo from

advertising

outside,
bank

and

in

had

the

personnel

whose quarters

the

"defeatist"

almost

was

operate.

we

attitude

entirely recruited

All

strangers

were

from

to

the

closed'

and

us

corrected

as

changing.

matter of sound

a

Errors

encouraged

to

refer

These

Board
as

it

that

them

the

to

would

be

ours

and I
any

think

officers

"case
for

lack

or

While

has

presided

over

to the

booklet,
seniors
with

of

of

discussion

general

a.

for

women,

around
the

the

rather

staff.

At

detracts

sure,

staff

of

of

of

28

approach officers

by

held,

were

to

are

on

per¬

our

since

our

a

week,

usually

our

one

With

doors

opening

customarily held at

the

rotating

meetings,

the

the

"case

constructive

or

the

Banking

and

far

as

method"
criticism

9:00

among

continues

to

that,

the

activities

social contacts.

of

and

business

discussed

the

having
in

no

them.
their

They

intimately—far

"official

are

after

approval.

in general terms,

family"

"secrets"

he

the

he

Bank,"

of

Rotarians.

from

the

test

Mr.

In

Beaty

"white

officers,

making

the business

encouraged

banking

on

hours,

in

their

them
day
a

friends

having

better

and in

new

able

their

business
in

checked

While the staff does not discuss

their

stores

the

to

own

frame
and

names

credit,

save

it is patently unwise to make approaches without reason¬
probability of willingness to loan.
Ihe tellers were especially helpful at the start in introducing friends
of the old bank to the new officials.
This policy is assiduously pursued,
able




bank,

Service,"
to

As

the local

as

We

wares.

subsequently
in

which

discuss home

of

the result,

our

newspaper

have

we

five

building
created

Kalamazoo

consistent

a

schools,

through
in

the

on

an

to

in

the

among

the

two

senior

Insurance,"

100

entries,
The

distribution

and

FDIO

the

in

the winning

of

we

and.

comments

winners.

booklets for

ask

and

men

their

Deposit

over

Washington

Kalamazoo

in

"Federal
were

opera¬

to

stressed,

through

of

groups

business

contest

essay

There

supplying

submission

is

future

parents

divided

were

this,

into

50

observing

discussion,

communities

subject

students.

than

After

informal

an

their

of

bank.

the

ideas

correct

publicity "drive."
less

no

essays.

contact work was our sponsoring
John Y. Beaty, editor, Rand

of

the

questions

notice,

the

answered.

were

questions

same

The

From
with

Publicity,"
Our

space"
over

advertisements

advertisements

is usually

our

observation

logotype
and

run

week,
the

to

in

or

"tailpiece,"

inquiry,

feel

we

local

newspapers

Sunday.
The policy
thought tersely expressed,
that "he who runs may read."
one

that

lengthy

copy,

are

less impressive.

Our standard

size

our

called

is

or

requires

additional

statement

published,

is

instances

attitude

reflected.

specialized

papers

newspaper

In

board

the
is

new

ads,

overburdened

2-column

5

inches,

particular

some

feature

space.

While
admittedly it is difficult to trace returns
voluntary comments make us feel that our presentations

few

might first

regularly each

followed, with

when

save

our

following

submitted

were

elsewhere.

"General

of

we

as
our

preliminary grades averaged 37%, and on the subsequent
80%!
Query—Are eductional talks needed and are they well received?
followed this plan before other groups locally to
good advantage, as

discussed.

customers,

concentrated

Their

be

intimately,

projects,

builders,

covering fundamental points of banking.
After collecting
talk, "What You Are Entitled to Know About Your

previous

we

institutions.

"Federal

and

we

to the

their

in

ramification of group

which

successfully

more

many

and

FHA

the

his

gave

in

without

local

which

$50

appearance

and

topics

"Bankers

had prepared

them

has

of

unusual

policies

popular

Monthly."
He
spent
two
days,
addressing two
luncheon
clubs,
one
high school class,
the entire body of the local
leading business college, and our own employees, over 400 persons in all.
Before speaking at the Rotary Club he circulated questionnaires which

We

This accentuates their pride in

voluntarily make calls

houses

officer for

most

personal

on

conducted

we

requesting

talks,

our

week each

made

chance,

the
in

Other

Policies"

Advisory

banks in their

city

interest

and

McNally's

errors,

on

participation
in
the tuition to those who

public both in

personal,

many

A

the

This supple¬

possible.

as

educational

leadership

Chapter,

half

are

with

even

confidence

bank

schools

the

ago

surrounding towns.

banking

carpenters

expense

a

the

interest

the

in

discuss

painters,

subject.

before

of

before

Talks

and

by the six qualified
50% of the Title II loans—an unusual example

conducted

totaling

real

presented
bank

the

than

understands

institution

an

a

courses.

affairs

smaller

week

a

reduced

provided,

from

desire to go even further with

with

prizes

took

group

year

found

poular that it has been

so

some

"Loan

displayed

the

been

associations

During this period the bulk

inculcating

in

talks

cash

imposition

no

A

schools

following

presented

were

harmonious

junior officer.

the latter submerged

through reimbursing

mind,

been

a

other

encourage

"sell"

been

meetings

achievement

on

in

than

complete the

home.

high

has

banking matters.

FHA, setting up in our lobby a model
dislayed types of equipment then qualified

loans

over

the

sur¬

commercial

fostering closer rela¬

at the start of

"Architects'

to

I

talks

gain

banks

II."

afternoon

an

given

are

who,

relations

us.

work

afterward.

without

profitable return
to

been

beside

we

on

were

large.

The place

that,

views, and I believe

hesitates to

the meetings

material

Institute

The

came

"boss"—our

common

Every other week the American Bankers Association
Relations," is used as the textbook, with discussions

commendation

am

a

own

genuinely

staff

our

or

m.,

American

I

for

general policies

course,

there has

have

by the cashier

with personalities

The

together

more

three

these

grown,

"Customer
of

ments

a

this,
or

they

feel

respectful attitude.
two

and

have

of

was

an

Title

well

addition

the

15 minutes.

centering

specific
In

tions,

spirit of false dignity within the institution,

no

of

public at 10:00

for about

find

to

spite

originally

business

addition, of

member

no

In

of

students

and

method,"

friendly attitude, and the staff

working

encouraged to present his

We have

that

matter.

sonnel

In
was

difficult

now.

cordial,

a

all

are

of Directors.

Everyone

in

up

we

well.

than

institutions and

questions.

in

at

and

Insurance,"

gladly

devoted

was

comes

customers

public

desirable

trade

to

welcomed

months

bank

of the

clubs

Supplementing

This

donated

public

75%

over

at

taken

were

realize

the

*■'

the benefit of all.

to

architects

and

discussed

the

local

practice, but their veTy psychology required

noted

were

in

by

obtain

business

new

as

on

has proven

questions

groups

merchants

with

many

engendered

by the few years prior to the
Not only did they have many slipshod methods which had to be

holiday.

staff

term

we

of

clubs.

financing.

bodies

opportunity

front, behind which

FHA

excel¬

an

us

correspondent

contact

clubs,

Titles I and

before

several

to

be

can

found

our

sponsor

well

as

Chicago

incoming accounts
are

our

or

high
subject, "How to Analyze a Bank State¬
talk, using an enlarged exact reproduc¬

luncheon

Deposit

service

for

of

through

men,

written
as

glad to help

attracting

help,

service

particularly

presented

activities

for

was

the

contacted

York,
are

nearly

new

are

smaller

group

statement,

Administration,

last

New

As

solicitation

in

various

The

series

a

from

companies

new

letters

the

90%

20

our

their

visits,

unusual

"Federal

but
When

promptly

in

reach.

progress

resulted

the

called

fosters

been

or

themselves.

the local

an

usually

of

of

are

Personal

direct

or

40-minute

a

been

$5,000

customers

present customers

our

and

addressing

in

companies

without reservation

college classes.

presented

either

have

of

contacts.

our

learn

to

80%

over

upon

before

ment,"

the operating personnel, particularly the tellers.
At
least 90% of such contacts are theirs.
It is their province to provide the
"service" upon which banks pride themselves.
Obviously, therefore, their

upon

is,

made

and

columns

some

have

banks

from

in the main,

individual

beneficial—that

ad¬

developing present accounts

an

whose

the

lines

opened.

and,

towns, with

these

This

we

business through

military operations, but

infantry,

trend

Besides

That

nothing

and one-half

their

only

that

can

made

Kalamazoo

given before all

personal calls.
This might be compared
cavalry sallies in earlier warfare or the activities of the air force

in

the

Inside

spectacular of the

more

new

the

regularly

Housing

Relations

to

Calls

they

not

mentioned

The

Further,

condition

know that

rounding

have

received

estimated

our

officers

have

we

business.

loans

real novelty in Kalamazoo and have

a

conveniently

recommendation

condition

our

from

we

Relations

borrowers.

our

a

than

But

"Public

our

public understand that

demand

in

publications.
is

nutshell

a

indicated

$5,000,000

of

banking

information

we

best

mystery in the banking
bankers.
This
seems
an

opening.

attracting

policy,

com¬

too much

in

it—that

are

"Public

the
with

with

as

our

through
familiar

new

is

of

well.

as

headquarters,

business

new

It

accounts.

tionship

on

over

no

have

we

of

source

review

the

of

progress

senior

more

which

correspondents.

cannot

organization.

our

lent

to present our true picture to the community—
problem of any sound bank?

operations

resources

with

determined,
since

least

at

keep in touch with the real estate

we

news

at

up

periodic

a

developed attractive

or

to

accounts

angle,

our

we

upon

the

upon

customers

of officers to get out and call is overcome, the
satisfaction to them, as they see present

Kalamazdo.

through

individuals

in

and

total

"scratch"

the

Detroit,

One

friends

and the

locally and followed
those

based

frequency

our

real

new

entering

business

tried

it

Michigan,
under

or

business

company

inception.

many

definitely
We have

in

set-up

defunct institution.

a

half deferred,

aloofness

from

"secrets"—that

from

capitalized,

were

and

a

was

truth the

too

literally

in

premise that there has

our

business,

and

patently,

not in

We

holiday,

Declining

operations immediately after the holiday.
A
reopened under the "Michigan Plan,'' i.e., with

bank

Our problem,

started

bank

own

banking

State.

pay-off from

a

National

unrestricted

mercial

the

any

earning assets.

no

only

resumed

as

following

independent of

problem in this regard.
of the few banks in the country

our

1, 1933, one

organized
most

sketch

moment to

a

We opened for business Nov.

The

power

those
rather

into personal contact

fair

of

most

have

comments,
our

with

regarding the

concerns

of

source

new

individuals

or

deviate for

me

money,

the

all

whom

increased
a

data

conversations

the part

on

a

is

practice of calling

to

inertia

work

with

favorable

many

non-customers

initial

also

be divided

made

upon

smaller situations

many

found the

received

and

names
among our
officers, who write
following their contacts.
Acquaintance in
what institutions, if any, the business is

subsequently.

or

in

officers,

institutional

of

of

file

pertainent

the plants of

and

over,

credit

these

cases

through

the

feeling

a

may

are

activity

assignment

the

noted,

time

balances

an

is

bank

Calls

latter

and

for

and any

many

1935,

directly traceable to

then

bank

at

banking,

between June

was

and

open

divided,

merely represent our share in a general
be observed that in the same period one

it may

commercial

181%,

the

every

In

of

we

overlooked.

this

does

which

of

paper

excellent
in

be

the

larger accounts and
The

cards

of

and

our

year.

balance

25%, and the other, actually a small decrease.
The specific subject assigned to me in this clinic is "Public Relations
Inside

outside

publicity.

of

all

meet

inculcating

contact.

general

and

customers

new

them,

serve

relations

officials

in

that

customer

small

improvement in demand,
the

through

or

and

eyes

Evidencing that this

survey

loans

$1,013,258.25,

No

keeping

in

should

up-to-date

desirable

angle

compiled

incidentally,

and

increasing

important

30,

of

to

relations

which,

complete

a

dearth

local

our

June

policy

the

public

on

Banking,"
as

made

was

with

work

have

to

will

individual

Public

Our money

cannot

made

who

memoranda

papers

Day

library

effort

must

undercutting

is,

with

We

As

We

save

basis, that

inculcated

us.

to sell.

bank's.

should

and

deeply

too

come

commodity—Credit.

a

than

therefore,

should

overlooked.

"Present

educational

of

of

have

we

business

naturally assuming in this statement that the fundamentals

credit

and

otherwise,

that

merchandisers

more

quality

a

complex,"

are

intangible, it is the

an

better

no

on

we

profess

we

"pedestal

that

CONVENTION.

customers

Except
(one

for

building lobbv,
maintained

periodic

published

advertisements

that

claim

to

in

the

they

Dutch

daily

to

came

publishing

the

one

from
are

us

of

our

because

in

which

is

inserted

weekly

a

the
in

restrict

we

Kalamazoo.

just outside the entrance to the bank,

into

in

of

statements

language),

paper

advertising,

read, and

an

a

bulletin

informal

letter

dealing with current topics of interest in the banking field.
Illuminated
from behind, the letter is easily read, and attracts
gratifying attention,

CONSTRUCTIVE
reaching

those

the

enter

tained

bank.

at

In

who

This

negligible

headed

"Trend

charted

since

by

declines
At

the

ment
the

the

operation

Deposits.''

bank

of

they

two years

over

do

Here

It is

only

and is main*

a

interesting to

follow

our
are

we

each

circulate not

item

is

but

matters

no

"condensed

a

explained.

It

of

fly-leaf

but from

seasonal

Our

supple¬

in which
for

dis¬

interest

of

know

understand

we

to

our

that

them

manner

in which

we

expressed policy of public education—of making
want

we

and

to

deal

with

they understand

us,

them

frankly—that

unless

fill

proper

cannot

we

our

place in the

community.
If they progress with us step by step in these
increasing deposits and1 good earnings, is it not likely that they
will have
greater- confidence in us and be more appreciative of
our
problems when conditions again reverse themselves—as
they are bound
times

of

to?

Is

for

this

know
loss

Mr.

your

a

times

this,

of

would

"banking

preparing

peace

it

not

go

holiday,"

far

to

which

we

by the bankers but by the public because of
not the most
lasting benefit from constructive

in

present

well

be

can

this

clinic

adapted

recompensed.

Beaty's

return

privilege to

will

drop

a

email city banker to
few

elsewhere,
It will be

questionnaire

you

discuss

a

or

me

this

thoughts.

oppor¬

If

our

the

effort in preparing this paper
pleasure to share with you copies
other material mentioned, if upon

a

any
a

all-too-rambling

have

line.

You

attention, but if there

are

have
any

been

most

points which

further, I shall gladly attempt to do

indulgent
you

would

so.

Education

Commission

Board Hibernia National

pay

my

personal

masterful manner, has taken hold of this man-size

and

ability and

effort in advancing so worthy a cause.

Banking for

more than

third of

a

a

century

has been

training and educating thousands of bank employees in the funda¬
banking and economics, and thus has made them better-equipped
interpreters of the banking business to our customers and to the general
mentals of

public.

And now, within the last two

years,

the Institute has inaugurated

the Graduate School, which in
cooperation with

ing higher banking education for

the#benefit of

Rutgers College is provid¬

~4

bank officials.

The Publicity Department of the Association is
supplying more than

city and country daily and weekly
tative articles
the

on

Association

a

improving banking and business
total

reading

Department is also furnishing
more

than

a

public in

6,000

with' accurate and authori¬

banking, and the constructive activities

for

reach

newspapers

newspapers

excess

of bankers and

conditions.

of

These

25,000,000.

The

intelligently prepared advertising service to
thousand member banks, who in turn are spreading this ma¬

throughout

their

an

respective

communities

by

means

advertisements, posters and direct-by-mail pamphlets.

of newspaper

Tne value to the

banks and to the community of
the"quiet and effectively efficient
this Department cannot be over-estimated.

Our magazine,

"Banking," which has developed into

one

work^of
|e»i

of the great

periodicals of the country, and which commands the best editorial talent
in the field of economics,
than

banking and. business, has a circulation of more
30,000, most of whom are business, banking and industrial executives,

who naturally are the leaders of

Opening Remarks of Rudolph S. Hecht, Chairman of

In opening this

a

who personally has given a tremendous amount of his time and

The

Public

himself,

altruistic standpoint for the general good of the community, v*

fortunate that we have as our leader a man like Robert V.
Fleming, who
heart and soul is back of this significant
campaign of public education, and

terial

rare

with your time and
like to

this

"in

do

recent

relations?

to

be

Is

would'
the

as

of

way

generally

precipitated

been

experiences
will

intelligent

debacle

confidence?

has

tunity

an

banks
such

not

was

of

It

If

another

customer

of

not

war?"

divert

an

Association, in

job of preaching the gospel of business and banking relationships, and it is

to

utilized'

other matters

or

selfish standpoint for the purpose of comfort and
profit for

a

watched

concern.

is

and social life of the people.
The public does not know these
Obviously, it is the banker's job to correct this situation, not only

facts.
from

is

statement"

observed, I believe, the consistent

follow out

77

practice of banking, and the constructive part that banking plays in the

The American Institute of

be readily

can

friends

our

CLINIC

Now the banker, of course, knows
Intimately all about the purpose and

that

learn

elaborated type,

an

The

important trends in the figures

how thia

see

growth

customers.

attempt to

RELATIONS

not

large board is exhibited,
the deposits at each month-end are

be expected and

to

date

of

though

even

lobby

prescribed official form, but rather

content

cussion

in

building,

CUSTOMER

business

in

who not

call

been

inception.

our

only

are

each

place

of

friends,

our

has

the

expense.

prominent

a

into

come

Chairman

of

Bank, New Orleans, La.

year's Clinic I sbpuld like to take the
opportunity to
tribute to the Association's
comprehensive program of

public education.
It is unfortunate that the
50,000,000 bank customers in America

are

al¬

more

thought and accomplishment.
= ^
Foundation for Education in Economics, whose fund amounts to

than

$600,000,

"was created to establish scholarships in economics

and

promote economic research for developing a sound public understand¬
ing of the business questions which underlie and vitally affect our material
welfare and prosperity."
This Foundation has assisted worthy students to
the

number of 415 in obtaining college educations in accordance with its

purpose, and more than 300 of these

are now

actively engaged in

business.)

It will be unnecessary for me to
say very much about the work of the
Public Education Commission, as this Clinic will afford a
practical demon
stration

of

most totally uninformed as to the essential
functions which the bank per¬
forms in the business and economic and
financial community.
This lack
of knowledge of basic facts
concerning the banking business is largely re¬
sponsible for the prevalent atmosphere of
popular antagonism, which
remains more or lees dormant
during good times, but exhibits itself in

a major feature of the Commission's
program.
Suffice it to
that, building on the sure foundation "established by John Puelicber, the
Commission is going forward with a deliberate but
continuously definite
program, which has for its objective a comprehensive public
understanding

most

ure

a

for

militant

during bad times,
another, become strained.

manner

one reason or




or

whenever banking relations,

say

of the bank and its functions and which will make for the
maximum meas¬
of genuine benefit to the

general.

banker, his customer and the community in
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Association

American Bankers
Annual Meeting, Held at

TOJSTATEJSECRETARIES SECTION

INDEX

Summary: Study of Government Lending Agencies,
Netherland

San Francisco, Calif., Sept. 21, 1936

(Page

by Wood

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Address of President David M. Auch

Report of Committee
William

man

Insurance and Protection, by Chair-

on

Duncan,

Report of Committee on State
ment,

78

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...

—

Legislation, by C. C. Wattam__
Association's Fidelity Bond and Blanket Bond,

Changes in

7

Jr

Bankers Association Manage

by W. Gordon Brown

Report of Committee on State

by W. F. Keyser
81

Page
82
83

84
84

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Report of Committee on Nominations

Summary: Study of Government Lending Agencies
& Trust Co., St. Louis, Mo.

By Wood Netherland, Vice-President Mercantile-Commerce Bank
In introducing Mr. Netherland,

is Chairman of a subcommittee of
the Banking Studies Committee of the American Bankers Association.
That committee has made a very complete study and tabulation of the
setup and the activities of all of the various Government agencies which
are in the lending business.
A good many of you, I believe, have had the
privilege of seeing and studying the very complete report of this committee.
The various State associations of the country have been asked to

committees

on

Government lending to cooperate in

appoint

the program which

Mr. Netherlands committee is sponsoring, and as I understand it, I believe
44 State associations now have appointed such committees which are ready
to work and therefore we have asked Mr. Netherland to come here before
this

explanation to that which he made,
what the committee has in mind and
he believes that our State associations, through these committees,
play in this very important piece of work."

meeting to give an additional
I believe, at our spring meeting, of

what part
can

in effect, is lending to

over

a

period of some eight or nine
must cover

course,

condense it, but
a

form

^months—-and which

as a

matter of

broad phases—it has been rather difficult to

many

I have tried to do so, and I will give it to you in as brief

possible.

as

good many of the members, or a large portion of the
fraternity, feel very deeply with respect to the threat of
agencies in the lending field.

So

we

members of our
the Government

have endeavored to make a study, a

determine, if possible, in the course of time to

factual study, in order to

just what extent, if any, the Government is competing, and I hope to be
able to give you a

I

am

M,To do that, I think we
to review

this work.
must have the right attitude.
I think we have
on

something of the nature of the banking business with respect, or

and in the end, it resylts in inflation

that in too many instances the

sorry to say

been abused by the private

privilege or franchise has

individuals who had it.

giving you this background which I

am

think is necessary as we approach

folks become
background.
We find
lending business
except because of some major crisis or because of some abuse on the
part of those who had charge of it.
Prior to the Civil War, when the State
banks were in existence, the State banks loaned three or four hundred times
their deposits, they issued State bank notes hoping (most of them) that the
people wouldn't call for this money.
We know what happened.
They
got into trouble and the Government taxed the notes out of circulation
the study of these

bitter

so

to

as

Government lending agencies, as some of our

competition that we must know the

in this country that the

and destroyed
The

tentative outline of a program this afternoon of what it

isjproposed that the State committees shall do

they are forced
follow the line of

and chaos.
Notwith¬
standing this well proven premise that most older nations have discovered,
we asked ourselves the question—at least I did the other night—well, how
is it then, that central governments for the most part have taken over the
banking business ?
When you look over the world as exemplified by the
recent nationalization of the Bank of France, you find that practically all
the Governments in Continental Europe have taken over the banking
business.
There are two reasons for it, or a number of reasons, but one is
the desire to finance themselves for extravagance, wari and the other is,
least resistance,

I

extended

Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen,—In a study which has

conclusion,' the Government

the voters, and as a matter of course,

by the people, particularly in a democracy such as ours, to

Mr. Netherlands address follows:

Mr.

Following this out to its logical

machinery.

President Auch said:

"Mr. Netherland, as I understand it,

same

Government has seldom entered the

that circulative privilege.

is true of the

had inelastic currency.

fraternity,

in relation to Government.

In 1907 we
banking
Reserve Act in
national or economic

National Banking Act.

We hadn't provided any proper system as a

the Government came in with the Federal

so

All of those things have arisen out of some

1914.

id Since the time the goldsmiths first began to act as custodians of the
wealth of the community, in the form of precious metals, principally gold,

Both to finance the Civil

Banking Act of 1863.

War and to correct abuses, we had the

crisis.

happened since the World War and since the

has

What

and began to lend it out when

1929 is contemporary history and I am not

for it at the same

the

they found that all the people did not call
time—began to lend it out and charge rent or what we

term interest—there has

constantly been waged a controversy between two

schools of thought, one of which
and operate the

has felt that the Government should own

credit machinery, and the other which feels that it should

credit system

Government entered the lending field with its emergency
I

might say here, as we approach this question and

Government retire from the field, in many

be left to unrestricted private enterprise.

we

find it competitive, we must bear in

^Throughout subsequent history, banking in practically every country
has represented a compromise between these views, or a sort of concilation
of those two views.
Any student of banking history, I think, would be

at

our

inclined to suggest that either system would
were

work.

If the credit machinery

operated by mere automatons who were not influenced by the desire

for profit

and exploitation which too often accompanies the direction of the

credit machinery

by private individuals that would be one thing.

out all of these centuries of trial and error,

Through¬

however, and notwithstanding

the abuse that creeps into the banking business when

operated by private

individuals, central governments have, for the-most part, long since
out

found

the best way to run the banking and credit machinery was

that

privately chartered institution with strict

of society there are two

by

They

scare

a

As

and

men

a

in practically at our invitation,
As

a

that

we

we

find

now

to

Government

in

consequence,

would

all the schemes of economic planners, all the

and supplied an elasticity
the

natural consequence, the banks got over
want

this

extend their loans.

procedure they probably took some

like to have. /

bear in mind, as a
about the Government
from that bank
ago to "hurry up and make these loans so that we can get them
loan portfolio."
So when we come into a court of equity we must

However, in putting forward our program, we must

background, that the minute some bank protests

come

in with clean hands.

loan that is
On the other hand, no

Many bankers claim they do not want to handle the type of
doubt there

are

agencies.

certain sections of the country where the

actually compete with the private bank.

appropriation, capital stock contributions, free use of

unsound
proposals constitute the majority, it isn't any problem, or it does not take
any effort for the banker to become the most unpopular person in the

sort of

those he does not consider economically sound, and as

reasons

have

if

nothing else,

sidestepped the lending business and have been

popular with the people, that it should be operated by private
It is obvious,
matter how

no

subsidy in that sense, and that is wherein our

Some of these agencies are typical

quite willing, in order to retain their own power and not to

become un¬
individuals.

of course, that there isn't any political administration, no

good their intentions

straints and restrictions that are




may

be, that is able to exercise the re¬

absolutely necessary for any sound credit

the mails and that

thing, these Government agencies can quote a lower interest rate,
who must pay their own operating expenses,

and commercial institutions

community.

History shows that for centuries past older Governments have, for political

Government does

Obviously through Congressional

political schemes of government, and the banker is obliged to put the veto
power on

It is perfectly

agencies somewhat in competition.

handled by many of these Government

farseeing businessmen,

and

taking away loans, you probably will find on file a request

out of our

in the banks are spread out all the plans of ambitious men

seek now to have the
where

of its activities, at least

mind that they came in practically

the invitation of the banking fraternity,

depression and

natural

loans that

two years

regulative force.

Before the

of the

reasonable

regulative forces, and by the very nature of banking, its fiduciary character,
it is

came

to our credit structure.

In practically every form

kinds of forces, that is, the dynamic forces and the

that is,

then the

lending agencies.

mustn't forget that.

we

Governmental supervision and

Well, the reasons for this are obvious.

control.

invitation,

depression of

going to review that, but because

broke down and we had no elasticity to it,

in older countries for two or three
our

up
our

minds to the fact that they are going to

to insist that

are

existence

hundred years, and we may as well make

be in existence here, that

job is to insist that they stand on their own feet, the same as we

Bankers have

to

job lies.

of agencies that have been in

the field

no

right, people who own

they should have the field.

of credit and

subjected to the

do.

commercial banks have no right
They haven't any divine right
in

banking so long as other groups that come

same type

of supervision, are

obliged to pay the same

STATE
taxes, and otherwise stand
mercial

the

on

level

same

SECRETARIES

this group operating com¬

as

SECTION

banks.

to set up

associations, all

the figure is,

to

possible with all agencies.

but I should

assume 85% of them, particularly the banks
deposits, insist that banks should not be in the

could cover

we

the amount of Government contribution

was

In the matter of Federal Credit unions,

direct subsidy there,

no

not

was

For instance, in the Federal Savings and Loan

the capital stock structure.

there is

farm mortgage field.

attempted

these agencies in a uniform manner, but obviously that

Take, for instance, the field of farm mortgage credit, in this work that
we have been doing in the last
eight or nine months.
I don't know what
that handle only demand

79

In getting up this manual which most of you received, we have

except promotional expense of $50,000,

We all know well that these farm mortgages were
totally unliquid, and real estate mortgage people have for 50 years tried to

which

establish

what your problem is with respect to Government competition, and then

the New

on

exchanges

York

Stock Exchange,

or

the

place

some

ready market for farm mortgages.
As represented by a Federal Land Bank
system,

But what

the curb

on

a

only medium that

commercial

a

bank

with

want to do is to find out within the

we

and place our case before them.

to

States, by county setups,

expect to sit down with the boys at Washington who have this in charge

we

I know that is

so far as

demand deposits has

advanced by the Government.

was

our

responsibility.

Having done that,

And, instead of bankers just in

will have discharged

we

blanket way condem¬

a

participate In the farm mortgage business and do it safely, with the reason¬
able degree of irks, of course, as to market fluctuations as there is on
any

ning every Government operation,

we

to be

banking system, and

bond—I

to

by buying Federal Land Bank bonds, until and unless we
private chartered institutions erect some other machinery in order to

as

take

mean

of that type of credit.

care

We do have

reasonably low interest rates.
supervise

keep those institutions properly managed, out of politics, free from sub¬

I believe it represents the first complete handbook on the
question.

Several

other

agencies, including the Brookings Institution, the United States
Chamber of Commerce, and I think the Government agencies themselves,
have such

The people in Washington have said that

sense.

feel

through: This is the first
complete survey of Government agencies that has been made by any group.

particularly true in the short term credit

field—one type of agency like the Federal
Deposit Insurance Corporation
and through that agency
guaranteeing jits deposits.
And then, across the
street, put a lending agency that might put it out of business
It just doesn't make

we

best efforts

use our

I should like to say this and then I shall be

It is perfect folly for the Government to

or sponsor—and this is

our

sidy.

right to protest against un¬

a

helpful, that supplement

should seek to find those that

that if

we

a

book

in preparation.

now

But at all events it

to

seems

me

will study the work that has been done down at Washington by

they do not want these permanent agencies to compete with private banking,
they want to supplement the private banking business institution or char¬

then apply that actually to our field experience,
certainly we ought to have

tered banking institution.

a

Well, then, it is

they are to have that information and to
inclined to think that if

am

we can

job, wherever

our

that

see

we

our

feel that

they do not compete.

them, that

we

will find

farm mortgage

There

debt and the

same

ment

are

is through the Federal Home Loan Bank

get to issue bonds

commercial bank with demand

a

business and have
that exists if you

make

them

System.

we

deposits to participate in the mortgage

under

the

FHA.

There

must watch these fields of

that

we

must have if we are

have

you

a

alone, just bodily take

President Auch:

going to have earning banks.

I

I say to Mr.

when

am

certain that

I bespeak the sentiment of all of

Netherland that he had made

instructive address here.

study put out by

In the

deposits,
banks

some of them.

down

went

deposits.

For

until

a

After the crack-up, now

we

But the significant thing about that is that in

no

about

was

have about 40%

instance,

70%

over any

of you,

to offer

by way of

a

T. P. Cramer Jr.

question, suggestion

and

us

interesting and

very

some

things

some

on

If so, I have Mr. Netherland's

views, and he will do his best to give you the

of

of our deposits.

or

questions

or

submit your

Who has something

answers.

comment?

(Oregon): I should like to ask if the committee expects

these county study committees to be handled under the
sponsorship com¬

extended

period of time,

was the loan level improved.
During the last hundred
the total outstanding loans of commercial banks has constantly gone

years,

some

a

believe he has said

permission to tell you that you may ask your

of their

hundred years practically, the total loans of

just before the depression it

challenging to

I

of it

course

which you might desire further information.

the banks loaned from 300 to 400%

And

the emotions that

as

Discussion Following Mr. Netherlands Address

rediscount preference.

things that may seem

Civil War,

that

find the Government retiring from many of its credit fields and

may

think about.
the

They

been published

never

the banking business.

over

Young & Ottley, entitled, "Merchants of Debt," and this is something to
Prior to

spirit in this work.

leaving the direction of private banking to private enterprise.

credit, I mean, the field for investment

I don't know how many of you have seen that recent

very cooperative

a

have tried to respect

I don't believe that it is too much to predict

quoted security, without taking the risk of non-liquidity
have the direct type of mortgage, unless, of course, you

we

problem is, and

our

say—that the Govern¬

have been engendered by the depression somewhat fade into the
background,

a

And

we

who would, if left

If they should

the Federal Land Bank System is doing, that enables

as

Needham, and

their confidence.
And the fact that
the American Bankers Association committee has undertaken this
survey,
I think ,lhas had a wholesome effect on those individuals in the Government

thing is true on the

about 18 billion dollars of urban mortgages of the type that
might
be handled under the Federal
Housing Administration.
One of the better
ways

agencies have shown

me to

have given us much confidential information that has

before and

thing applies to the urban mortgage debt.

same

sufficiently well rounded program to know what
I might say—I think it is no more than fair for

sympathetic hearing in the country.

a

Another thing we have to bear in mind: the

of Mr.

then the courage to meet the problem that confronts us.

I

present our case intelligently and insist

it, and let the people of the country know what the subsidy is costing

on

Committee, by Mr. Huff, under the direction

mittees that have been set up in

Mr. Netherland:

down.

the different States

now.

Yes, the procedure will be not to do it in

a

blanket way.

We will communicate with each Secretary and ask him what the
problems

Now then,

the question

as

to how far the Government

competition with the commercial banks has been

has

are

gone into

in his State, what his idea is as to how this
survey, for instance, should

be

and debate with the bankers' associations and
particularly with the A. B. A.

conducted In his State, how his committee feels about
it, and we will
largely be guided by the views of the committee in that State.
There are

for the last

some

they

year

18 months.

appointed

agencies and

see

So at the spring

this

committee

to

a

question for discussion

Executive Council meeting last
the Government lending

study

all,

what they were doing and how they were
competing, and

for the first time, we have prepared a manual—most of
you have seen it—

loose-leaf manual, in which

a

we

have studied 25

of these

States, for instance, where

so

obviously there would be

that doesn't operate
our

office

of that.

agencies, the

to

as

In other words,

what

of their funds, the rates they

wants to make the survey, to

where

we

This is purely a

loans.

in your State?

"Well, they
I sat

who said,

We go into

some

taking all of

are

across

our

States and

we

good loans."

the table from the President of

"We do not want those loans.

this State

they competing
find the bankers there
say,
are

association

a

few days ago

We need that type of credit in

Bankers Association represents

a

instances

just
can

com¬

got the approval of the Banking Studies Committee this
morning—

for

a

survey

submit

to work out with each State

of the Government lending agencies in each

the agencies that are

will suit for

a program or

one

particularly active in those States.

take up with you the plan for this survey.
you—to each

a

Mr.

program

State, that is,

we

ask

The A. B. A. office will

They will, likely, submit to

Secretary, and his committee, and the President—a list of
State and ask which ones you want

the various agencies operating in your
us

to make a survey of

you

can

in

State.

your

cite where they are

how

we can

We will ask for individual instances

Where they have put down

competing.

ridiculously low rate of interest

we

will ask what

are

your

a

suggestions, and

cooperate in curing that situation.

the minds of the other members of the committee—there will be
additional
moves

to further lower

the interest rates,

questions

present our
the two
or

case to

must have the machinery to

Congress, to the Banking and Currency Committees of

Houses, and endeavor to show to them how they

are

some way or

we

can.

and there are

other.

are some

some

types of credit that the banks should not handle

types that the Government should not meddle with, so

where is the dividing line.

It

together

And

on

that situation.

bankers show

a

seems

impossible to

certainly,

in

my

me

that

we

judgment,

can't get

unless

the

disposition to do that sort of thing, and the Government

people likewise show the

same

disposition, we

may

look for

change in the banking and credit machinery of this country.




have

on

most

want

you
as to

a

identical

an

results,

or is it

just

a

sort

of

blanket

You want definite

made, don't you, along particular

survey

some

major

as

uniform

possible, of

as

them and ask you to select out of those 40

applicable to

your

Mr.

State, those that

Netherland,

course.

I

or

50 questions

committee thinks

your

some time ago

in talking with you, I
some

particular

agency

being in competition in

not in

another district?

Mr. Netherland:
we

It

had

an

was a

particular district of the State, and perhaps
Perhaps you can make that clear.
a

Yes, I think that, too, would be desirable.

For instance

instance quite recently of a cooperative which had

good cooperative, financially sound, and the

man

a

Government agencies came along and took it at 2
recall the exact figure, 2)4
rate in his country,
same

bank may

That is

a

probably.

and I think it is.

be furnishing the

typical

case,

There is

money

a

of the

was a fair

concrete case where that

with which to compete with itself.

we

That isn't applicable probably
any¬
want to work out, if we can.

Has anyone else a question or suggestion?

opportunity, you officers of State associations, to get
this thing in advance.
Mr. Netherland:

one

2)^, I think—I don't

Anyway, he thought 4%

Mr. President.

That is what

President Auch:

or

good loan.

told me, I believe,

that they were making a 4% rate at this
cooperative, and that

Mr. President, we have

some more

an

This is your

understanding of

members of my com¬

mittee here that have shouldered this work—Mr.
Mylander and Mr. Zim¬
merman.
I shall be glad to hear from them,

myself.

President Auch:

driving private

chartered banking out of the field, and try to get together, if

Certainly there

you

President Auch:

I

am

sure

we

will,

too, Mr.

Netherland, if they have

anything to offer.

It is simply unbelievable to me that business and Government
cannot get

together in

State doesn't want to

got the notion that perhaps you wanted data from various sections of
of the States.
In other words, have you in mind the value of a

to further increase Government
we

(Wisconsin): Would

States, to make comparisons

Netherland: Yes, we want it

where else.

Furthermore, bear this in mind: TJiat in the next session of Congress—
there is no question of this in my mind and I don't think there is
any in

subsidies, and through this organization

If the

But if they want to make the

assistance in doing it along the lines you want it done.

should be undertaken in your State.

Obviously, what

State will not suit for another and therefore what

do is to go back home with this thought:

you to

State committee, if it

That is up to the State, of course.

so.

will say, we will send out probably a couple of sheets with
maybe 40 or 50

those

quite remarkable that the States have appointed 44

Some of them
have begun some work on their own account, but
following this Convention

propose to

Coapman

information when

mittees since the spring meeting to cooperate in this work.

we

we want is for each

do

invitation to make any kind of a survey they want?

composite picture, all

be cited, we propose to do our best to correct them.

—we

G.

We haven't developed all

lines?

the bankers of the country, and so we propose to find out in each
State
how much these agencies are
competing and where individual

I think it is

W.

our

a survey of some agency

will have that information from

co-operative proposition.

will lend

survey in the
an

We want the Government agencies to continue."

The American

survey, we

agencies hardly operate at

making

we

make the survey, that is all right with us.

I

Having assembled that, the question is how much

And

w;hat agencies do operate there.

source

charge, their profit and loss statements
could get them, and the nature of their
operations, the type of

some of these

no sense in

in the State.

C.

F.

Zimmerman

(Pennsylvania): Mr.

Chairman,

I think

one

phase

of this whole investigation which is bound to command attention
among
bankers is with regard to their own feelings that loans have
dried up in
their sections, without really knowing the reasons
why.
I am sure that is
the case pretty much all through the rural sections of

Pennsylvania, and

I

have

the thought

loans that have been

that when the local bankers find

placed in their

and the rapidity with

own counties

which those loan£

are

out

the volume of

by Government agencies

being placed,

we may

get a

background of public sentiment which will finally be felt at Washington.

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

80
Mr.

Netherland has made
It is not

committee.

a

At the

say?—political trends on the

time, when we see the—shall I

same

part of certain folks at "Washington toward lowering
that

so

who have read the proceedings

of you

mittee realize that

always had

must

basis of

a

2% even,

banking structure

2h,
know that they aren't talking the language of private bank¬

we

ing in Pennsylvania.
So I feel that

apply this whole research program over the

we

as

United

will be able to make

States and find out just what the local situation is, we

the problems

suggestions that will be very helpful by way of getting

some

President Auch:

We have heard from one State Secretary,

Thank you.

Mr. Zimmerman, who acts in that capacity, among
hear

from

now

Mr.

being made have been with
sudden

us

which complaint is now

long, long time, and for a long time

us for a

Then all of

bother the chartered banks very much.

seem to

banks

chartered

the

Let

other things.

add anything to what Wood

can

Some of these agencies of

and Charlie have said.

a

the lending

of

out

went

picture.

The

Now, when we
are ready to go back in again we are howling about competition.
It seems to me that it is going to be the job of organized banking to
took up the slack.

Government agencies stepped up and

that these long established and permanent Govern¬

to see to it

attempt

lending agencies—I don't like to call them Governmental lending

mental

agencies, because they are not, that is, the permanent organizations are

not—practically every one of these that we think of as permanent Govern¬
mental lending agencies are not owned or

same

pointed

as

certain

the private

to

and

privileges

the Government

the

on

and place it in competition with an agency

which is taxed by both State and
seems to me

mental
we

it is going to

Nation.

be our job to get the facts and point them out

I don't fear very much the result if

both the so-called Govern¬

lending agencies and the chartered banks are on an equal footing.

can't

individual bankers be smarter and more on our toes and more

as

active and

the problems of our communities than the

familiar with

more

civil servant of the

Government bureaucracy,

we

ought to be put out of

business.
President Auch:
Mr.

Netherland

Thank you,

strike

didn't

Charlie.

I am a little bit surprised that

here with

fire

his statement in regard to

chartered banks.

mortgages, farm mortgages on the part of our
know his mind, but I surmise that he may

difference

I don't

wonder that there has been no

Does anyone wish to offer anything in that connection—

comment on that.
a

of opinion,

agreement,

or

Are there any

anything at all?

(Connecticut): I should like to ask if the committee contem¬

plates corralling figures relative to banking practices in the States, to com¬
those practices of rates and volume with the volume and activity of

pare

the Government loaning agencies, along with

(At this point,
by putting

this survey.

Mr. Netherland made a statement not for publication.]

had

cattle loan, and had

a

•aid he

Western

had it

A gentleman from Oklahoma said he

for years, for quite a sizeable sum.

getting about 7 or 8%

was

for it, which

Oklahoma, and he said the

is a reasonable

He

cattle—and loaned that fellow that money at 4

rate in

He said, "I

5%.

or

He

I followed it through."

got to thinking about that.

$100,000

"I

said,

rates, so long as they are

on

other mortgages up there at

Wichita and issued 3% debentures, and sold

them to that bank at New York where I had my money."
are

I said, "What

He said, "I don't know yet, but I feel like

going to do about it?"

you

writing the New York bank, asking them if they bought those debentures
with

my

It looks to me," he said, "like the Government is in

money.

competition with me, making loans to my customers, in my own town,
and with

my

money,

own

at rates that I cannot compete with "

would be the method of straightening out a

Netherland:

Mr.

Well,

I

sure

am

you

What

situation of that kind?

don't want to hear me make

speech but, in the first place, if that were checked through the

another
chances

are

that man, the customer,

such

getting
Another

could be convinced that he was not

"break" on the interest rate as he thinks he is getting.

a

thing is that the law

of supply and demand, of course, in the

investment field determines the ease with which the Intermediate Credit
Bank markets debentures, and the rate.

And the demand is so great, the

truth of the matter is, I don't know, but I imagine the

outstanding deben¬

Well, it doesn't make much difference whether the bank takes them or

every

Gum.

time

an

There are plenty of people who will take them because

us

to get

And then,

don't think the banks should take the attitude that
That is the surest way for

going to buy securities of that type.

put out of the banking business—by declining to buy securities

Don't think for

from the Government, or its agencies.

a

minute that that

isn't true—that that is the surest way for us to get put out of the

banking

business.
Mr. Gum:

This

man

wasn't

so

much concerned about the New York end

of it, but he said, "How can I hold that cattle
Mr. Netherland:

Gum:

Mr.

Netherland:

and the

man

loan?"

The banker, you mean?

Yes.

Mr.

who

He will have to
borrows from

make

him

some

would

concession

prefer

to

on

the loan,

borrow from him

than from the other agency, even at some additional cost.




with the subsidy, and

the people of the country to help us do away

paying the bill we will have plenty of

assistance.

Crandall: I know in my own individual

Mr.

the competition

as many

employees as they want, and all the help they can go

solicit, whereas I have to stay at home,

just

a

and it would just be immediate

If you say that we have to do it

death for us if we tried to compete.
and it is

matter of theory that we can't, you

a

just try that theory in

Utah and see how long you will last.
wasn't theory, it was just simply suicide.

country bank in

out it

They have
out and

We are taxed heavily.

They have no taxes to pay.

exist.

just

to'meet
could! not

if we tried

case

and at the rates given by the Government we

You would find

the State com¬
and put thdm in
the hands of the central committee, if you want to call it that, orlthe
A.i B. C. committee.
In other words, we want that sort of illustration for
ammunition in our fight to keep as much subsidy out of these agencies^ as
we can.
That is exactly the thing we want these State committees to
Those are the very situations we want

Netherland:

Mr.

mittees

develop, to actually investigate those cases,

to

before a
know that you cannot
just generalize.
You must show them concrete things.
You have to show
them the proposition you have in mind.
Otherwise, they won't give!you
If you have ever had any experience

develop—individual cases.

Banking and Currency Committee, you must

Senate

a

hearing.
Crandall:

Mr.

Do

the com¬

take it then that you, as Chairman of

we

banks in the country can compete with
lending agencies—that we have to come to that?
Is

Government

the

that it?

I think that we are

I don't think that at all.

Netherland: No.

Mr.

certainly competing with them now, or they are

competing with us.

Mr. Crandall: You have to meet that competition.

the field.
complaint,
just as you are doing now, and show those people in Congress how they are
able to underbid us on rates and how their rates are not justified, and
show them what they are doing to our earnings, and tell them it is question¬
able whether we are going to be able to stay in the FDIC if our earnings
keep on going down.
And we have to build up our case, because that is
What we want to do is get them out of

Mr. Netherland: Yes.

There

are

several ways of doing

the only way we are ever

Crandall:

Mr.

One way is to register our

that.

going to get anywhere on it.
But I can tell you right now that

I understand that.

cannot run a bank and run it on

know

It can't be done—I

those rates.

that.

I do

But

Netherland: No.

Mr.

question about it—that we must be

think this—I

there isn't any

know

You know
they

reasonable on those rates.

There are some sections of the country where

by that.

have charged, particularly on

these small loans, 20, 30 and 40%.

I know

where those situations have existed.

Crandall:

Mr.

We can't make any rate

which has ever done

I don't think there is a bank in our State

anything like that.
ever

State is limited on that.

Our

I don't know of any bank in our State

like that.

which has

40%.
other types of credit besides the banks—

followed the practice of charging 30 or
Netherland: There are

Mr.

merchants' credit and stuff like that.
credit

else.

This is all bound up in the whole

problem.
Crandall: This is a bank meeting—I

Mr.

Well, I

Mr.

am

wasn't referring to anything

glad to get your views

Zimmerman:

I offer

May

a

Chairman? In the
this whole
will never be able to meet

suggestion, Mr.

hearings at Washington, there was a very significant phase of
marks

matter which

an

inconsistency that we

except by attacking it, namely, that

places
when

he

agency

when the Government lending agency

lien against a farmer's property,

a

has

no

crop,

and he happens to have a year

he feels that because it is a Government

lending

his rate lowered,
is apt to respond to that, because the
the last thing in the world they wish

he can put the pressure on in Washington and have

and the Government lending agency

foreclosure of the debtor's affairs is
to have

political phase, and that is
Private banking is
When our creditor can no longer navigate,*
It works just exactly the opposite way in

That is why it takes on the

happen.

very

clearly marked in the hearings at Washington.

in

entirely different position.

an

we

have to

see

if we can collect.

Washington—if he

no

can

rate or an extension of his

longer navigate, they try to give

amortization program and thereby

him a lower

tide him over.

That gap must be bridged in some way.
President Auch:

We

can

allot a few more minutes to

■*

this subject.

have anything further to offer or any further questions,

them promptly.

If

please put

Has anyone else anything?

with your
subject and
everybody else backed off. That is a serious problem with us. The produc¬
tion credit associations are rapidly reaching a point where they are lending
more heavily on commodities and things like that than the banks,
Mr. Netherland: The production credit agencies at the prsent time
have about $120,000,000 supplied by the United States Government, for
which they do not pay anything, and to the extent of the subsidy on that
capital stock, it is unfair competition and should not be permitted. It is
our job to place that before the Congress of this country and see, that it
isn't done.
Moreover, unless we watch it, unless organizations such^as
Haynes McFadden

(Georgia): What are you going to

do

production credit agencies?

Eugene Gum touched on that

these

issue comes out it is considerable oversubscribed.

for political reasons, I
we are not

subsidized.

I think when the taxpayers get to

you

tures is around 150 million now.

not, Mr.

And you cannot compete with them
Our problem, I think, is to try

in private agencies.

ment agencies or

it, and I found that they jumbled my market together with a lot of

on

actuarial

premiums.
They are based on
losses, and a certain degree of profit, and I don't believe that one'group of
men can do it much cheaper than another, whether they are in the Govern¬

had

deposit in a New York bank. They weren't paying me any interest

on

pitched on the idea of

experience, just like your like insurance

Government came along with their

credit association—their association that makes these loans out of Wichita
on

We cannot in our State.

Bates, after all, are a question of

doing away with the subsidy.

has a solution for it,

concrete case before him, and see if he

a

if his committee would have one.

just wondering if you

was

lending agencies' rate.

Netherland: You can—if your program is

Mr.

M

them the unfairness of it.

(Utah): Mr. Netherland, I

Crandall

B.

meet the Government

what I mean

Eugene Gum (Oklahoma): I would like to ask Mr. Netherland a question,

or

H.

you

other questions, then?

Mr. Welch

line and talk to our people and show

can

have to pay.

is getting a

man

mittee, have the idea that all the

Congress, in order that some of this unfair competition may be

the

eliminated.

If

Manifestly, it is unfair for

all taxation.

hand to charter and sponsor a lending agency

one

which pays no taxes whatever

It

things which are not given

certain

One of the largest of those privileges

banking institution.

is the complete exemption from

to

But they have been given, as Wood

of our banks are.

many

out,

capitalized by the Government,

They are privately chartered institutions,

except as an emergency measure.
the

that

"ex," Charlie Mylander—my predecessor, by the way.

an

Mylander: I don't know that I

they didn't

point out to
To be sure,
cheaper rate from the Government agency, but how
much are his-taxes going to be increased because of the rate he pays?
There is, of course, in this country one great school of thought that want
all business in
Government, and we simply have to go out on.the firing
them what share of the subsidy they are going to

to get

straightened out.

be

than from the Government

if you will talk to them and tell them the situation,

agency

going rate for rural banks of about 6%.

a

discuss mortgages and loans to farmers at

And when they begin to
or

We in Pennsylvania

I believe a lot of your people can

convinced that it is better to borrow from you

That doesn't mean that all borrowers

the legal rate, but it doesn't mean that our

pay

has been set up on

,

before the Senate Com¬
notions as to how

able to get his funds at.

legal rate of 6%.

a

politics.

Senators have very extravagant

some

low the borrower ought to be
have

is going to be very

banks may not compete at all, it

established

difficult to keep this whole question, finally, out of
Those

the rates of interest

though.

and meet the Government rate,

go out

Not necessarily.

Mr. Netherland:

The application

practically in every State in the Union.

of any rule is bound to be qualified

He has to

Gum:

Mr.

interpretation of the aims of the

very fine

simple undertaking by any means.

a

will appropriate more money upon the same

are

on

their toes, they

basis.
The present trend of

supporting basis.

the production credit agencies is to get on a

self-

Another -year like this year, and they will not be very

SECRETARIES SECTION

STATE
Ijthink,]this

Now then,

from it.

is a fair position—that whever they

are

self-supporting basis, without,subsidy,<of any kind, with the same type

on a

have to undergo in the banking business, and paying

of supervision that we

the same taxes, we cannot ask them
Mr. McFadden:

It

reasonable to me that you

seam3

this—they will lend a man money to produce

could ask them to do

of cotton, and when he

a crop

The program is
banks and

it on, which

was not the original purpose of the

associations at all—

production credit

Mr.

McFadden:

They have?

Netherland:

Our banks there in ths

lend

to pro¬

man

a

an

But the purpose of the Production credit associations

Essentially, that

If he could have gotten money

it.

was

from the bank there wouldn't have been any use for the production

credit

He gets his crop produced and in marketable condition, and

anybody will lend him money

it, and yet the production credit associa¬

on

tions say whether they have the right to do it or not, they are

Netherland:

Mr.

They

do it.

can

They

Mr. McFadden:

going to do it.

it

Is

else

this subject, gentlemen?

on

If

the future procedure of this sub¬

Netherland?

That is right.
In other words, if we differ with some of the things that

Chairman,

I have to

other

worthwhile

a

to

State Association

Are

willing to

you

Do

own

think that

you

ahead, get your com¬

go

work, develop the information, and work along the lines that

Mr. Zimmerman:

I

program

seconded?

Mr.

Zimmerman has moved that the Section approve

outlined and extend its full cooperation.

as

Is the motion

[The motion was seconded by W. F. Keyser (Missouri),

.

.

.

President

that the Section express its approval of the

move you

pledge its full cooperation to it.

President Auch:

and carried.]

Auch:

Is

.

there

.

.

else,

anything

Netherland,

Mr.

from

your

standpoint?
Mr. Netherland:

about this

here feel

officers

how

know

to

project?

to

us

our

on

desired by this committee?

are

to another meeting but

go

before I leave I want to say that our committee would like
and

What is your feeling on this, gentlemen?

put to a vote,

not, let me thank you, Mr. Netherland.
Netherland: Mr.

is

the

if they want them.

our country,

there anything

me,

by the various State associations is going to have

showing through research and the obtaining of data

a

mittees

Well, that is hurting worse than all the farm mortgages.

President Auch:

Secretaries

make

situation.

program and

They are welcome to them, in

the

to

seems

have been said here, if we have the opinion that the situation in our own

make housing loans, for

can

that matter, if they want to.

Mr.

It

State is different perhaps from that presented here, then it is up to

Mr. McFadden:

is_

Secre"

Presidents and Vice"

that it is worthwhile?

Is that not true, Mr.

Netherland:

President Auch:

I wouldn't say th it—that he couldn't get the money

from the bank.

associations.

considerable detail

Mr.

I don't think it

that the information which is developed in

important and governing effect on

committee.

who couldn't get money from a bank to produce his

After he gets that—
Netherland:

Mr.

All right—What is your pleasure?

if I may offer this comment,
some

crop.

Do you feel it is a worth¬

formal resolution without asking

a

be formal about it, but is it the feeling of not only you

necessary to

will lend him money to hold his cotton

McFadden:

give them

move we

for it.

duce his cotton and if he produces it and wants to hold it for awhile, they

to enable a man

I

Mr. McFadden:

Presidents of State associations,
field

same

that

how

to

as

that this program is

taries here but of the other State association officers,

Mr.

Mr.

anything like that.

or

lot of different views

a

Now then, do the Secretaries feel

be done.

President Auch:

lend on commodities,

a pa feet right to

he same as a bank h is

was

going to have

worthwhile and do they want to go on with it?

,

[_jMr. Nethe -land: Yes, they have

formal resolution

any

wholly set up to protect the lending field for commercial

are

we

while program ?

gets it produced and ginned and baled, they will lend him the money to
carry

We don't want

program.

should

to withdraw from the field.

81

No.

you]very

Thank

much.

Committee / Officers* Reports—State Secretaries Section
Address

President

of

The

David

M.

Auch, Secretary Ohio

Association, Columbus, Ohio

the State Secretaries Section this

of

that

based
the
belief that it could serve most effectively as a connecting link
only between the various State associations, but between these organ¬

on

not

program

izations and

the American
the

of

Some

dropped,

has

year

been

Bankers Association.

functions

number

the

formerly

of

operation

by

committee

Section

the
been

has

been

have

reduced

avoid

to

directly

the

upon

possibility

of

coordinating

the

neither

is

course,

of

unification

Complete

the

efforts

practicable

of

various

interests of all bankers'

similar

to

organizations

permit a joining of
have

In

of

organizations,

Problems

with

vary

concerned

to

adopt unified programs

this

be

cainnot

a

in as many fields

these

various

is

it

that

concerned!.

all

tendency

this

that

this

in

the

of

one

portends

of

lending

government
Studies.

Association

has

the

made

a

State

in

which

they

were

such

functions

necessary

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has

committee

associations.

they

as

advanced.

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is

Association

by

Committee

the
of

various

national

which

in

organizations

public education.
drastic

of

that

perform

The

close

the

was

and

are

various

taken

of

Much

recently
the

our

efforts

be

of

Federal

the

this

of

special

on

the

the part
and

banks.

of State

desires of

are

immediate

the

the

importance

Federal
future

and favorable

President

of

State and

legislation and
holds

but let
the

us

no

threat

not

forget

State

associa¬

Banking Act of 1935
effect upon

the

final

legislation.

which

has

has

been

carried

the

in
on

there

has

appeared

banking.

a

nation-wide

of

public

during the past several
With

tendency to

This, of

program

years.
This
the betterment of conditions

slacken

is

our

efforts

to

inform

most

unfortunate, for public
education certainly is not an emergency proposition.
If it is to bring
results it must be a continuous process during good times and
bad, for
it is only when the situation
is normal that the public mind can be
prepared for the unusual conditions which arise from time to time.
At

the

on

spring meeting, at

lation

submitted!

sisted

of

the

for

your

assembling

Hot

course,

Springs,

approval
of




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to

me

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have

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of

additional
and

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they

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by

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have

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in

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action.

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of

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province

organizations,

where

either

program

have been

There

subject,

within

a

the

that considera¬

regional

organizations

this

on

of

are

completed

of the

as

consideration.

recommended

was

co¬

and

Section

to

them¬

proved

recommendation

appreciation

express

of

the splended

coopera¬

received

come

Section

Chairman

are

from

during the past year.
Such accomplish¬
traceable to the valuable aid received by the

all

concerned.

our

Committee

State

Legis¬
rather ambitious project.
This con¬
detailed information on legis¬

certain rather

Duncan

Association, Minneapolis, Minn.

Chairman and Gentlemen—This Committee

At the time that the Committee

sponsibilities
situation.

Since the

have reduced
ticular
I

was

their

Committee

before
of

the

the A.

consequently there

Secretaries

was

Section].

That possibly

this insurance controversy
many

briefly to give

on

B.

A.

Insurance

little for

this par¬

applies

I discover many

suggestions

how

to

as

He
to

made

you my own

reference

governmental

to

lending

the part of commercial banks, but

on

an

than

more

schools

two

apparently

situation that has existed in the rate structure should
want

report.

unknown

an

Netherlands talk [given in this issue among the

State

thought.

thought, with

appointed,

was

on

change of forms and policies, and the companies
So

agencies and competitive interference
in

written

no

do.

to

Interested in Mr.

schools

a

rates.

Committee

addresses

has

selected by the President, certain re¬

was

delegated to the Committee predicated

were

Committee has formulated

two

Insurance and Protection, by
Jr., Secretary Minne¬

on

William

Bankers

sota
Mr.

be adjusted.

personal opinion, and in

of

unsatisfactory
I just

suggestions

anv

that I may make I am not speaking in behalf of the entire Committee.

I think that in settling upon any definite program,
affecting a readjust¬
ment of rates,
on

in

an

attempt to create or bring about a cooperative action

the part of the various States, we have to take into consideration exist¬

ing conditions in those respective States,

as

to

whether

not

or

not

facts

have

an

influence

on

the

attitude

of secretaries

in

the

States

secretaries

agents for companies writing that sort of coverage, and whether

or not

are

those

becoming more

enthusiastic in criticizing interference on the part of certain
companies.
I think that there can still be an adjustment of rates found in
many

and I appreciate that in many States the rates
very

satisfactory.

I have

my

about this great reduction.
the

existed

has

may

should

the

full

However,

least, still

at

us,

of

report

forthcoming,

themselves operate insurance departments, whether or

developed between

major

at

part of both

Bankers Association when the
a

sections

not

active

your

Midwest

regional

Report of Committee

sur¬

committees

by

advanced

banking statutes,

materially to its effectiveness.

public

the

on

success,

that the

Federal

understanding which

uniformity

education
has lent

may

of

consideration had

this

Bankers

over

types

the program

essential to

are

the American

under

form

Banking

results

of the activities

of

part

coordinated

It

revision

tions and

the

on

agencies

regional conferences on banking at which
State association cooperation was made entirely clear.
fields

in

American

the

field.

lies

during the session and I should like to urge
to the merits of the suggestions

a

as

the

started.

was

the

offer of aid in the development of such conferences.

an

closing, permit

officers

many

consideration

project

in

was

of

these

officially

such

sponsor

which

tion

be

and

in

through adoption

or

of

correspondence

not

valuable

so

In

>

Fleming's
Other

the

is of the belief that competition
its survey can only be eliminated when

explanation

full

give

everyone

of

effective joining of forces

an

associations

requested action of

complete

will be made later

committee

that

A

solution

a

respect, have been placed in the hands of

State

of the government agencies listed in

or

in

years

and

may

Two

that

associations.

revealed

committee

the

this to

organization

officers.

repeated with

and

year,

Banking Studies

on

is

believe

to

the

requested to appoint.

Committee

The

of

of

Bankers

the

witnessed

reason

future.

committee

of

have

ample

the

the

the lending

every

officers

Secretaries,

this

survey

which is complete in

vey,

in

in

met

is

developments

sponsored

of

reasonable

requires

months

12

There

American

program

which operate

Government

past

cooperation

subcommittee

A

The

significant

must be

and

associations

State

organizations

of the best opportunities for

one

selves

the

to

many

it

organize

ground and

The value of

of

program

Some

At

produce valuable data

State

display of the spirit of give-and-take

a

direction.

most

increased

banking problems which
Probably

possible.

as

that

complete.

I commend

given

conversation

ments

between
of

part

growing

sufficiently

or

common

doubted.

Cooperation
the

either identical

are

obligation to seek this

adaptation of projects and Ideas and
on

be

for

While

be

State Secretaries

of

not

the

will

previous report to this section it

a

tion

geo¬

The writer holds the opinion

forces.

definite

all

that

is

another agency.

tion

graphical location of membership and regional or local conditions.
Opiniona
on many
issues are widely divergent.
But there does exist a zone in which
the

data

As

Legislation, tliis work

the part

on

State association

these

desirable.

nor

State

various

project should

through continuance of its efforts

all

of

efforts

organizations operating in the banking field.

the

of

undertaken.

be

on

the

opinion

performed

standing

should

it

result

methods

and

present agreed that the

Committee

duplication of work done by other agencies, and attention has been turned
more

activities

lative

time all

Bankers

same

as

any

ment, we
was

were

such that

a

It is

other business,

have been striving for many

personal

own

now

States,

applying should be

as

to

what

brought

quite human for insurance companies,
watch competition, and although we

to

years

to get consideration

always combated

with

readjustment

not

was

as

opinion

the suggestion

on

rate

readjust¬

that the loss ratio

justified.

This may be of some interest to you: that State Secretaries had
consid¬

erable to do with

placing National banks, when the law

under the protection of the G-Men, and

Including FDIC banks when that law
known.

But I know who the individual

lation and exactly how it was accepted

ington.

All of those things have made

point of companies, and have had

a

was

first

they had considerable

was

amended.
was

passed,

to do with

That is not generally

who proposed

the first legis¬

by the Attorney General in Wash¬
a

better situation from the stand¬

great tendency from a physological

point of view, at least, to reduce daylight holdups.

,

BANKERS' CONVENTION.

82
We have had

a

good experience in loss ratio, and although we are

very

experiencing low rates,

show

we want to

justification of that situation by

a

Agencies
Studies

cooperation in keeping our counter cash down, in inaugurating protective

devices, approved protective devices, and then following the instruction
of the manufacturer who puts in

those devices and showing in every possible

that the banking fraternity will do its part in eliminating this hazard.

way

The filing of rates by certain companies in this country in certain States
had

influence

an

and there

this reduction, whether the companies did or

on

three

are

States today enjoying a lower rate

or four

did not,

than the con¬

ference company rates under certain forms of policy, to the extent
my own

State in 20 months

and in two other

that in

have saved the banks $90,000 in premiums,

we

States they have saved in like proportion,

according to

the number of banks.

Bates

filed in other States by the companies that are offering these

were

rates, and undoubtedly it had
said
be

influence on the rate readjustment.

an

,

As I

before, I feel that there still should be further reduction, and it should

brought about by intelligent action and cooperation

on

the part of the

not convinced in my own

am

had

mind—basing that on

number of years ago—that the way to do that

a

business and

one

that I think

It is

specialized

a

keep out of.

bankers should

we as

experience we

some

trick is the organiza¬

tion of mutual companies by the bankers themselves.

We had

program of consumers'

If you are fully convinced that the entire

be established as competitors

cooperators should

with private business in your own communities, then from the standpoint
of the

banking fraternity that would be

your

first contribution to

a

con¬

cooperative.

I want to pay tribute to the work that the committee of the

I want to make

A. I. B. has

suggestion, however, that I think would be very

one

much appreciated: that the various forms or information as to

changes of

the policies should be sent to the Secretaries so that they could post their
member banks.
and

If it has been done, I have never received any information,

number of Secretaries

a

have talked to

I believe that there is

about it.

me

That is just a

Frank, if you think it is the thing to do.

suggestion for your committee.

possibility of further reduction in rates by handling

a

this program intelligently, and I think as time goes on, if you are insisting

banks cooperating with the companies in exercising the caution

upon your

subcommittee of

a

Bankers
are

Committee

the

on

Banking

Association.

reported

as

follows:

Arkansas has appointed a Committee on Bank Budgeting.
California has added a Committee on Mortgage loans, "due to the obvious desitabillty of standard practices in this field, one of the largest loaning outlets in
California.
The oommittee is studying the standardization of fees and routine
operations, standardization of legal instruments, appraisal practices, real estate
and improvement valuations, their stabilization within reasonable bounds, the study
of existing mortgage loan situations, the maximum and minimum rates per square
foot

on

and

dissemination of soil

buildings and per acre

on

and

farm lands loaned thereunder, the accumulation

water-table

information, the education of bankers

along the proper use-value of lands and buildings, in connection with the amount
which may be loaned thereon, and last but not least, studies looking toward the de¬
vising of new methods of loaning which will enable chartered banks to compete to
better advantage with government mortgage loan enterprises."
"-4
California has also added a State Bar Committee to deal with a question raised by
attorneys as to whether banks are practicing law in the usual conduct of their busi¬
ness; also an Insurance Committee to study various types of insurance carried by

banks, such as fidelity bonds, public liability and fire Insurance; also a Committee
Bank Credits, appointed to develop uniform credit information and to unify
bank requirements of borrowing customers respecting oredit Information; also a
State Income Tax Committee to work with the State authorities respecting
State income tax.

Georgia has appointed a Committee
Idaho has appointed a Committee

on A.

the new

I. B. Extension Work.

Old Age Pensions, and a Committee on

on

Illinois has appointed a Committee on Trust Functions.

Mr. Graettinger re¬

ports that "This committee has charge of ail matters pertaining to fiduciary rela¬
tions and activities of the trust departments of banks.
It was thought advisable to
add this committee because of the development of this specialized business, and Its

Importance in the field of bank activities.

This will probably develop into a trust
division of the Association fashioned somewhat along the lines of the similar division
of the A. B. A."
Indiana reports that it has added a Committee on
some

done.

with

American

committees

Public Relations.

experience in our State with a mutual a number of years ago

an

that cost us plenty of money.

sumers'

the

new

on

secretaries.
I

cooperate

to
of

Other

years

Agriculture, which was dropped

ago.

Iowa has

appointed

Postal Savings Committee to Investigate Postal Savings
competition and work with similar committees of other State Associations and the
A. B. A., looking toward getting remedial amendments to the Postal Savings Law.
Massachusetts reports that an Insurance Committee has been appointed to study
matters of insurance and endeavor to obtain better coverage at lower rates; a Social
Security Act Committee to study all matters pertaining to both Federal and State
Security Acts and pass along information to members, and a Personal Loan Commis¬
sion, which is a separate organization sponsored by the Bankers Association to point
out pitfalls and undesriable and dangerous practices in connection with the making
a

of small loans.

Missouri has appointed a Committee on the Sutdy of Adequacy of Banking Serv¬

that they should, that you will have ample ground, based upon loss experi¬

ice, the object

ence, to ask for that reduction.

facilities in Missouri

concerned, that the last

are

I think, as far as protective departments

in the States

one

year—the State of Wisconsin.
been the salme

as

dispensed with this last

was

I think that their experience possibly has

that of the other States: that they are an antiquated part

of the banking association, that the work that should be delegated to the
associations

can

done

be

just

intelligently

as

and

economically

more

through the Secretary's office.

eration.

ml

New York reports a

New York also created
1936.

competitive agencies, My President, who operates

country bank in Minnesota—a bank of $500,000

successfully, and I
But he

to

came

made the suggestion

was in

a very

successful

deposits;—has set up a
that has worked

hopes that he would enter into the discus¬

after that part of

me

that he would be

very

the program was closed and

glad if

of you men are in¬

any

terested in his scheme to go into the matter in detail after this meeting.

He will be in the back of the

on

v

-

Pensions which has filed its report, as a result

proceed with the development of a

a new

Committee

on

Activities at the Convention

in'June.

The committee consists of six members with staggered terms of office.*The

of this

committee is to initiate research projects in the interests of
members, to coordinate the work of other committees of the Association interested
primarily in new studies of developments in banking and to keep abreast of^other
research projects in the field of banking.
Ohio has added a Committee on Cooperation with the A. I. B.
The work of this
committee consists of interesting the senior officials in member banks in the organ¬
ization of new A. I. B. Chapters and study groups.
Mi
I
Oregon appointed a Pension Committee resulting in the installation of a pension
purpose

sion.

Committee

of which a Board of Trustees has been created to

I want to make that is not in

piece of machinery to compete with governmental agencies
very

Montana has appointed a Committee on Public Relations.
New Jersey since our last report has added a Pension Committee which recently
completed the organization of a Pension Fund now before its members for consid¬

pension plan.

There is just one other suggestion that

connection with this insurance talk: During the discussion of these govern¬
mental

of which is to study the question of whether the existing banking
are adequate and if found inadequate, to recommend the way

in which additional facilities should be provided.

new

and retirement plan for officers and employees of member banks.

The plan went

into effect Jan. 1, 1936 and is working out staisfactorily.
South Carolina reports that the duties of the Bank Management Committee have
been enlarged to include work on public relations.

room.

Vermont added a committee to consider the list of bonds now legal investments for

Report of Committee on State Bankers Association
Management, by W. Gordojti Brown,
Executive
Manager, New York State Bankers Association,
New York, N. Y.
On

Aug.

ment

sent

what

new

since

the

the

fall

1936, the Committee

19,

letter to

a

all

activities have

1934.

of

summarize the

asking them to advise the committee

been undertaken by the various State

last

committee

State Bankers Association Manage¬

on

Secretaries

reported

the

at

convention

Replies have been received

information

they sent to

associations

Washington

in

first

and

the

asked in

State

one

is

groups and assist bankers
of interest to the public.

The

take

of

Aug.

Five States have

19

was

in.the preparation of timely articles and talks

in

increased! their

studying the matter.

answers

States
of
the

work,

have

some

to

your

of

six States

taken

the

comments

no

States

are

now

1935,
The increase was accepted with
Their rates, however, are still lower than

practically no unfavorable comment.
many

other State associations.

for

which

have

which

one

1935, due to

a

decline in number of members

and need for larger income to take care of increasing.activity.

The Increases were

only nominal for the smaller banks but the percentage of Increase for the larger banks
was considerable;
the net result being the revenue from membership dues now

$45,000 per year,

as

against $34,000, or

increase of about 30%.

an

No serious objection was raised by members and the loss of members amounted to
less than 1%.

Michigan has a special committee working on a revision of their schedule which,
in the

opinion of some members, requires

further breakdown into

a

a

larger number

of classes.

Mississippi raised dues in 1935.

With a few exceptions members understood the
ecesslty for higher dues per bank because of the/reduction in number of banks.
Oklahoma raised dues In 1935, shifting from total resources to capital funds as a
base.

Let me read Mr. Gum's comment:

Bankers Association last

"We raised dues in the Oklahoma

year

pretty sharply.

One hundred and twenty-one of our banks decided it was too much and didn't pay.
That

represented a little more than one-fourth of our banks.
I called on those
banks
and told them why they should pay it, and practically all gave me
a draft.
This year we did not have much trouble when we made our drafts.
Such
radical changes always need a little explanation.
"Under the old plan, we raised about $6,000.
Under the new plan we raised
.

.

.

about

$20,000, which you will see is some raise."
Tennessee raised dues at their convention in May,

1936.

The increase

was neces¬

sitated by the decline In income over a period of years, due to the reduction in num¬
ber of members.
The new schedule was accepted without any serious question,

only about six banks falling to pay their dues.
Prior to the increase dues of this
association were extremely low, and after the increase the average is about $20 per
bank as

The
are

compared with

nation wide average of $30 per bank.

experience of the above five associations indicates that where dues

low and

income

a

have not been raised

where

explained and)

the

need

sold

to members.

can

be

mittees

replied

second
had

that

question

been

your

added and,

they




had

for

some

shown

it is possible to increase

years,

and

the

new

schedule

a survey

have

regard to

or

reason

are

or

undertaken

considering it,

another.

surveys

not, are more

are

research

The

and 13

comments

interesting, and

so.

Conditions and Trends has under¬
This survey is being conducted

of banking in the State of Arkansas.

by Dr. Kenneth H. Hunter of the State College of Agriculture, assisted by members
Department, Federal Reserve
System and Comptroller of the Currency."
Georgia's program includes (1) tabulation of rates of Interest paid on time deposits,
seeking to prove the advantage of a minimum lower than specified in regulations of
the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation; (2) a
study of bank portfolios with a breakdown of earning assets as complete as the source
records make possible; (3) a study of the rates, recoveries and net Incomes from
each class of earning assets embraced in the above, and (4) an analysis of profits,
dividends and service charges over a 12-year period.
Kansas says: "We are continuing our usual annual research survey in regard to
bank earnings and operating costs conducted In connection with the facilities of the
Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City and the State Banking Department of Kansas;
some additional researoh work may be entered Into, Including causes for bank fail¬
ures in Kansas and limited banking facilities for non-banking points."
This would seem to Indicate that in Kansas this work has been carried on for some

so,

appointed

for what purpose.

committees

years

past.

Minnesota reports: "We have appointed a Reserach Committee and will have the
cooperation of the School of Business of the University of Minnesota in making the

survey."
Missouri reports that a Committee on the Study of Banking Developments was
appointed "to make a thorough Investigation of the banking structure of the State
with a view to being in a position to recommend intelligent action as to Improvements
in banking

methods.
The committee will cooperate with the Association of Reserve
City. Bankers In its similar work of national scope."
New York at its convention In June, 1934 adopted a resolution calling for the crea¬
tion of a Commission for Study of the Banking Structure to undertake a continuing
research Into the banking needs of the people of the State.
Shortly thereafter, a
statistician was added to the staff and he began the assembling of the balance sheet
figures and earnings of New York State banks for the years 1923 to 1935.
The re¬
port of the commission was published In December, 1935.
North Carolina reports that: "We have added a Bank Research Committee In
order to be in line with the other associations throughout the country and at the
request of the Association of Reserve City Bankers.
"The Bank Research Committee consisting of a Chairman and three members
has begun making plans for their work after conference in
Professor F. Cyril James was the speaker.
They have secured

Comlmittees

committee asked was whether
if

properly

'

New
The

taken

in

of the committee and officials of the State Banking

New York increased dues in January,

amounts to about

subjects

have committees organized to under¬

planning to,

action

of several

third question

committee's

indicate that 24 States

this

Arkansas says: "The Committee on Banking

New Jersey raised their dues in August,

on

Research Programs

programs

committee's letter

changes in schedules of dues.

regard to
dues

question

schedulelof

intensive training classes for bank officers, directors and employees, will cultivate
better relations with the press, promote a program of talks before schools and adult

43 States, and I shall

from

us.

a

West Virginia is endeavoring to develop more A. I. B. Chapters and promote group
activities.
Wisconsin has added a Director of Public Relations to Its staff.
He will organize

in

Dues

The

State banks and a committee to study service sharges and submit
charges applicable to Vermont banks.
Virginia has added a Pension Plan Committee.

on

To

any

new

com¬

this, 29 States

Government

Lending

a meeting at which
the cooperation of the

Department of Economics and Finance at the University of North Carolina and the
State Banking Department has agreed to furnish a man for research work for as

long

as

penses

six months without cost to the Association, since the
of the Banking Department are paid by the banks."

entire operating ex¬

.

STATE

SECRETARIES SECTION

What is being done In Arkansas and North Carolina may suggest a solution of the
problem of several associations which have Indicated a desire to undertake this work
but have been unable to do

of

Tennessee has appointed a Bank Research Committee.
work will be

The first phase of their
study of bank Income and expenses and most of the work Is now being

a

done by the Secretary who is gathering statistics.
outside assistance will be engaged for statistical

After

addition

the

to

plan to make

a

made

York

in

The

New

of

survey

comments

research

above

all

New

banks

England

in

those

several

are

the

of

States

States

working

are

similar

which

States

to

on

the

have

study

to the bottom, It is readily discovered that the maximum permissible contract rate has
or nothing to do with the actual current discount or Interest rates which
are
always prevailingly below the lawful maximum, and which for obvious reasons are
regulated by local conditions and customs and not by statute.
Were there no statu¬

little

undertaken

not

tory limitations at all, current contract rates would regulate themselves or be con¬
trolled by the natural laws which govern the prices of all commodities.
The pre¬
vailing contract rate on the entire volume of loans and discounts in Kansas banks Is

thing.

I listened to Professor James's plea for a research department for Oklahoma
and I thought I could see branch banking in the wood pile.
I am often wrong.
I
hope when the chip Is lifted they will find an independent bug under it."
Pennsylvania—Mr. Zimmerman reports: "No 'research' in Pennsylvania.
Our
Council of Administration threw this New York City banker's (note singular, mean¬

known to be well below 10% or 9% or 8%, and It Is believed would not exceed and
possibly not equal even 7%.
The cases where 10% or a higher rate per cent has
been applied represents for the most part small advances for short time when the
Interest yield at less than 10% would show a loss or at best a mere stand-off to the

bank.

It has not been difficult to convince the committees of the two
legislative
bodies that the actual prevailing rate is a most
acceptable rate both to the borrower

ing Guy Emerson) Idea out of the window at the July meeting.
Other States will
follow suit as soon as they get the low-down.
It's a branch banking move
and will die

The

to

answers

departments,
and only

ytars,
In

be

and lender.

"(2)

Protective

as

conclusion,

expanding,

such,

the

fields

in

1.

3.

Public

have

States

to have reduced the contract rate from
10% to 8% at this time would have Inter¬
fered with the operations of the Federal Housing Administration in
making amortized

in recent

which

State

activities

association

relative

loans, the rate
usurious.

to

seem

These
the

are:

"(3) Furthermore, other Commonwealths, many of them much older than Kan¬
sas, seem not to have been over-much excited in this matter.
In six States, viz.,

value

of

from

Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Colorado and California,
In five States, viz., Connecticut,
Nevada, New
Mexico, Utah and Washington, 12% Is the lawful contract rate.
Thirteen States,
Including Kansas, have a 10% maximum; one State, North Dakota, 9%; 10 States*
8%; two States, Illinois and Michigan, 7%; seven States 6%, and four States
6%,

plans.

any rate contracted for is lawful.

relations.

increasing activities

varied

services

to

They

activities

indicative

are

rendered

membership.

social

member

mark

toward

the growing importance

of

banks

the

trend

activities

of

and

of

the

hence

State

associations

serious

more

of

increasing

and

with certain modifications.

away

"It Is Interesting to note the status In the various States with
respect to the legal
rate

distinguished from the maximum contract rate.
Four States, Alabama,
Colorado, Florida and Montana, stipulate a legal rate of 8%.
Nine States stipu¬
late 9%, including California, Idaho,
Georgia, Nebraska, Nevada, South Carolina,
South Dakota, Wyoming and Utah.
Thirty-two States, including Kansas, stipu¬
late 6%, and three States, Illinois, Louisiana and Michigan, 5%."

practical

value.

Respectfully
W.

submitted,

GORDON

BROWN,

Chairman.

.

as

Obviously

Committee

Wattam,

ciation, Fargo,
In

Chairman, Ladies
who

do

report covers

not

Dakota

by C.

Bankers

tion, and

tary,

Mr. Wattam said:

in

benefit

perhaps understand this report,
which

sent

was

out

those

of

I might say
all

to

of

the

people

that the

Since

the

the
last

meeting
spring

legislative
State

every

of

some

arisen

of

the

States

To

the

and

instead

of

which
date

matters

arguments

replies there seemed to be
and

Secretaries

Section

at

the

only

38

forth

set

either

the

to

Secretaries
in

way

out

the

were

Secretaries

have

replied.

questionnaire
available.

not

In

arguments

pro

and

only

con,

were

shown.
For

the purpose

reference
you

to

form

marizing
value
to

to

quote

tion

to

the

warrant
you

as

indicating what

opinion

some

information
a

asked

as

to

these

on

continuance

your

for

in

our

for the elimination

of

had

in

mind

is

of

gathering and

worthwhile

efforts

double

andi

of

along this line,
on

the

does

liability

the

be

we

on

replies

of the necessary legislative resolution was accomplished
through the
cooperation of this office, the State Banking Department and State bankers
through¬
out Ohio, who acquainted their legislators with the facts.
use

on

Deposit insurance protects fully 99% of all bank accounts In Ohio.

"2.

The Ohio Bankers Aasociatlon has agreed to enactment oi

a law

putting 10%

capital, betore paying dividends (identical

with Fed¬

This would actually be more valuable to depositors than double
liability.
more or less a snare and a delusion.
While its col¬

Double liability has been

hardship on numerous people, actual figures show that
than 5% In increased dividends from closed State banks In
Ohio.
are

relieved of

double liability
same

by Federal law, as of

treatment.

"5. Increased capital works for the protection of
depositors.
With double lia¬
bility existing, It Is impossible f6r State banks in Ohio to sell stock and Increase
their
capital.
"6. With largely increased deposits In prospect, It would be
necessary for many
State banks to obtain additional capital, If they want to continue in
business.
If
so as State banks, they doubtless will seek national
charters and the
State banking system eventually would be destroyed.

they cannot do
"7.

An additional

reason

tion of demand for loans.

capital, and If State banks

for Increase in capital

The amount
are

not

be restricted besides.

"8. Twenty-two other States
shares of State banks.

"9.

a

bank

(now impossible) Is the satisfac¬

csn loan

no

of course is based upon Its

requirement lor double liability

on

the

Our campaign for favorable votes

on the constitutional amendment will be a
Our plan Is to work through officers, directors, employees and stock¬
holders of State banks, with some cooperation from national banks.
We plan
through a series of local meetings, to acquaint officers of State banks with what must

quiet

one.

be done and place on them the responsibility of saying that all connected
with their
Institutions work In this campaign.
Every person connected with the banks Is to
be given printed matter listing the arguments for elimination of double
liability and
he will be expected to work.
"Periodical reports from various banks are expected to reveal the amount of

the

I

might

that

contemplates no publicity until a late date.
no good and tend to stir
up opposition.

do




at

once

or

it

act

the

that

the

such

as

distribution

and

by

on

where

is possible
to

this

of

approval

be carried

Association

induced

summarizing

it

is

the

desire

yet relied to

as

all

to

a

the

of

of

the

committee

and

such

association offices

such

associa¬

at

once,

so

as

information

that
so

the questionnaire do

is

available

prior to the time when

the

that
can

various

convene.

conclusion

C.

WATTAM,
S.

P.

Chairman,

CRAMER JR.,

GWINN,

GRADY

HUDDLESTON,

B.

that

POWER.

as

The campaign

Opinion Is that such publicity would
(More details on this If desired.)'

soon

State

President

could,
this

the

as

I

which

through

were

the arguments which

compile
State

various
and
It

and

with

State

bank

useful

for

other

of

they

agency—that

to

the

would

States,

methods

used

legislation
know

to

me

by

all

of

deficiency

on

imminent

were

actual

or

what

had

you

been

done

handling

these,

and

in

so

on,

and

aid

to

the

in

combating

summary of the
instance, in con¬

if

or

glad to have

very
a

for

men,

State,

my

we

legislation.

judgments,

in

if

being

Committees

unfavorable

was

banking

that

valuable

a

this

It

agency

forth

so

offer

and

of

manner

and

Legislative

this

see

about

adverse

central

as

and

the

certainly

the

issue

it

of

a

would

be

efforts

successful

of

States.

But

perhaps the

our

think

answer is—or
at least it might seem so on
the basis
having received only 18 replies—that it is not of interest to you.

that

lies with

while

opinion
In

as

other

to

succeed

and

words,

if

Committees

which

have

been

taking

us

this

we

is

can

the

in

time

to

of the work which

think

it?

it,

that

Shall

is

the

we

hand

in

have
it

procedure

here,

in

it would

sort

some

of

an

this

be

direction

interesting

expression

of

continuing.

the

send

of

office

have

States,

you

further

to you

of

continue

answer,

in

worth

other

summary
of

to

summaries

used

of

now

desirable

whether

lative

your

determination

those who

instructive

want

types

many

to me from my own standpoint I would be
hands, for the suggestive value they might offer,

nection

of

further

of

or

this

Committee.

seemed

arguments

and

word

a

number

a

their

summarize

Legislative

used against them,
and

to

say

this

to

in

it.

were

forestalling the enactment of

in my

I

by

information

properly,

Secretaries

all

of

might

we

there

office

were

them

is

copy

common

central

a

a

that

idea

committee—obtain

then

information

believe

undertaken

was

the

on

Wattam

of about 10
questions—including moratorium legis¬
interest, personal instalment loans, and matters of
a reply frocn each of the Secretaries,
and it is our

Secretary has

Auch:

which

conceived

Mr.

list

a

kind—asking for

program

his

for the benefit of the people present other than Secretaries,

say,

contract rate of

each

of

prepared report,
following extemporaneous remarks:

sent out

we

lation,

work

done and to give opportunity for stimulation of those who
may lag.

and

be

H.

put Into position to Increase capital, loans will
have

either

work,

GEORGE

of
now

Secre¬

the

THEODORE

legislation

lection has worked untold

banks

might

C.

Adoption

Since national

gathering,

the

Bankers

JOHN

intention

"1.

State the

Respectfully submitted,

made the

continue to be

legisla¬

of

Stock

"The following arguments were used on legislators and will
the public in an effort to obtain votes for the amendment.

list of

a

antagonistic

any

with

to yer,

year

be summarized

may

Legislatures will

that

July 1, 1937, State banks must be accorded the

from

Association

desire

double liability on State banks and building and loan associations.
(Building and
receive deposits in Ohio.)
This question will be on the November ballot.

"4.

the

the

American

legisla¬

capital fetock

and

in

Secretaries,
meet

facilitate

to

the

change

of

in

meantime,

forwarded

loans

It has meant less

of

sum¬

"Double liability in Ohio is constitutional.
Therefore, It requires a vote of the
people to produce a change.
Constitutional amendments may be submitted to vote
either by resolution of the Legislature or by a petition filed
by sufficient votersThe Ohio Legislature last spring voted to submit the
question of elimination of

"3.

not

have not

as

At
"Double Liability on Bank

eral law).

section

work

sufficient

question of

adverse

proposed

State

this

should, in order

house

the

tions

follows:

to surplus until surplus equals

various
of

with

idea

is

questionnaire, and to enable

the

whether

subjects
of

committee

the

the reply of the Ohio Association

providing

banks

of

information

In

not

other

the results

provoke

information.

In

have

it

department

clearing

of

misunderstanding of the information required

a

giving the

sent

was

legal

to

the

to

continuance

permanent

personnel

Executive

the activities of this committee have been confined

association.

the

State

relayed
the

organization
some

questionnaire,

recently

be

Should

The report follows:

central clearing house with

some

such legislation

request.

upon

Secretaries

'subsequent to the spring meeting, covering State legislative matters.

Council

favor

could

that when

Legislative Committee handling the matter of presenting the
side, might forward to such central clearing house the arguments
of
and
against such measures, and this information, in turn,

or

bankers'

For the

and

Secretary might be furnished by
the various subjects which may

C.

Asso¬

D.

and Gentlemen:-

questionnaire

a

Legislation,

North

N.

presenting his report,

Mr.

present

State

on

Secretary

worthwhile information along this line is available from
it occurs to the members of this committee that each

some

States,

many

Report of

which to the borrower would in the end exceed 8% and thus become
reasons may also have entered In to govern the committee's con¬

on

Other

clusions.

importance,

Research.

Pension

regard to Protective

discontinued them

Bill was before the Kansas Legislature of 1935 to reduce the contract rate
The K. B. A. Legislative Committee, this time, deemed it advisa¬

10% to 8%.

ble not to oppose the bill.
The House Committee on State Afiairs, to which the bill
had been referred, originally recommended Its
passage, but later in same session
reversed theii recommendation and reported adversely, when It was discovered that

to be in favor of them.

seetn

their

in

value show that 35

three States having

in the order of

2.

their

to

as

few Secretaries

a

from

Departments

committee's final question

your

Departments and your opinion
no

.

aborning."
*

It Is significant that the

Legislature In Its biennial sessions in good times and bad times and all kinds of times
has never seemed to regard the mere reduction of the maximum contract rate as a
matter of very great public concern. When the thing Is thought all through and sifted

Oklahoma—Mr. Gum reports: "We have not organized a research department and
we will.
The proper kind properly operated would be a grand

.

of Interest

session of the Legislature, but has not prevailed.

every

a

do not know that

.

Rate

"(1) The legal rate of Interest in Kansas is 6%.
The maximum contract rate Is
10%.
The proposal to reduce the rate on one or both has been advanced at almost

follows:

as

interest.
Contract

compilation Is completed,
work and analysis.

State.

of

activities

the

herewith the reply of the Kansas Association on the
legislation looking to the reduction of contract rate

give you

of proposed

a

Wisconsin has added a Committee on Bank Management which will make a study
of Service Charges, Investments and Present Loaning Policies and Rates.

In

also

We

question

because of the cost.

so

83

or

course.

State Secretaries and

successful

would
a

rather

done
shall

arguments

it be of

on

value to

complete
this

we

it?

Legis¬

methods

the extent

explanation

thing?

drop

your

and

What
If

you

do

and
you

do not

T.

P.

Cramer Jr.

Paul P.

Robert
of

CONVENTION.

BANKERS'

84

Brown
E.

(Oregon):

I, for

(Noith Carolina);

Wait

(Arkansas):

If

would like to see it continued.

one,

could

we

get the results

by the first

Auch:

are

first

not

have

going to

the

I

speaking collectively,

am

not individually.

If you

thing by the first of January,
the questionnaires, and they are

results from this

in.

W.

thing

President
has

Brown

is

to

answers

Mr.

(New York):

matters

Auch:

Wattam:

Yes;

not

had

not

Why didn't the 30 States reply?

Is

Have

any
a

you

talked

to

anyone

who

the

of

in

States

President

shortly.

if it

is

Auch:

I

number of apologies here from sev¬
and they promised to get the

answered,

might

say

that

so

far as

possible to get them in.
wish that someone here—if

I

be

there

contrary

a

How

many,

proper

have

considerable
section

this

are

believes

this

in
show of hands-*

interested enough to see that proper information

from t.heir State comes in ?

Can

majority raised their hands.]
Auch:
I
imagine that a good

we

have a

great

President

sented

then,

form

[The

who

opinion,

were

stated;

were

stated in that report and the anticipated changes

member of the American

of those here repre¬
already sent in their information.
There seems to be very
interest, and
I imagine that those who are in charge of
as officers next year will welcome that.

Bankers Association was supplied

many

Fidelity" Bond and 'Blanket

Bond
W. P.
all

that

Keyser (Missouri):
of

Association
to the

as

the

Secretaries

have

changes

been

July

issue

"Banking,"

of

the Journal

of the

American Bankers

Association, contained an article written by Jim Baum, as Secretary

the secretaries and

information that is quite complete

that'have been made in the American Bankers Associa¬
Bond and in the Number 8 Blanket Bond.

tion copyrighted Fidelity

f

At the time of the spring

can
an

was

meeting of the Executive Council of the Ameri¬

Bankers Association last April the new

accomplished fact

practically

upon

an

copyrighted Fidelity Bond was

At that time the Number 8 Revised Blanket Bond

accomplished fact.

All of the changes had been agreed

and it was simply a matter of adopting the new form of

surety companies.




I

I

of the

So all of

^11 of the members of the American Bankers Association
that information very specifically and very fully.

The report of the committee to
refer to this report as containing
ence

the Executive Council this evening will
There is no material differ¬
k contained in

the changes.

in the final drafts of those two instruments from what

Those anticipated changes in the copyrighted burglary

this report.
have not

become^effective yet*

policy

l...

ReportJof|Committee7on Nominations- -Newly Elected
Officers
Now for the report

McFadden:

Mr.

As to the

President and the

elected before

I

was

ever

of the Nominating Committee:

First Vice-President, they were as good as

appointed to the Nominating Committee so.

incoming President, Theodore
"incoming First Vice-President, Gordon

instead of nominating them, I present your
P. Cramer Jr. of Oregon, and your

Brown, Executive Manager of the New York
I had to put one
so

Association.

of my own Southern buddies on as Second

bond by the

And. of course,
Vice-President,

of C. W. Beerbower, of Virginia, for Second ViceOn the Board of Control:
The officers already named, plus the

I present the pame

The nominations were presented as

For

I believe I should call attention to the fact
and all members of the American Bankers

supplied with

with a copy

of that report in this form.

President.

in Association's

8 Revised

in the burglary

Every Secretary and every

retiring President, Mr. Auch, and also William Duncan,

Changes

the

the anticipated

such—who

would not be worth anything
substantial, would express it, because if it is not, it is certainly useless
to impose a considerable burden of work such as this on Charlie Wattam
and his committee.
Does anyone feel that this would not be of substantial
value to him ?
I
would like to have you express yourself if you do.
has

Bond

have been supplied with

indication as to why?

this questionnaire is
concerned, we intend to send out a summary to the Secretaries prior to
the first
of
January, whether we get replies from all the Secretaries
or
not, but we would appreciate having a full set of replies in from all
information

Fidelity

committee, which contained all the changes in those contracts.

interest to them?

know.

have

have

I

have

of

not

Have you

who

Secretaries

are

do

I

answered?

not

eral

need

copyrighted

and robbery policy were stated in that report.

The

Gordon

because these

it

any

we

the

in

changes, which proved to be the actual changes, in the Number
Bond

January—
President

committee which was delivered at that time,

In the report of the

changes

So would I.

President:

Theodore

P.

of Minnesota.

follows:

Cramer

Jr.,

Secretary,

Oregon Bankers

Association.
For First Vice-President:

W. Gordon Brown, Executive Manager, New

York State Bankers Association.
For

Second

Vice-President:

O.

W.

Beerbower,

Secretary,

Virginia

Bankers Association.

David M. Auch, Secretary, Ohio Bankers

Board of Control:

Theodore P. Cramer Jr., Secretary, Oregon

Brown,

Executive

Manager,

William Duncan Jr.,

Association;

Bankers Association; W. Gordon

Association, and
Association.

New York State Bankers

Secretary, Minnesota Bankers

[The report was duly adopted and the officers

installed.]