View original document

The full text on this page is automatically extracted from the file linked above and may contain errors and inconsistencies.

Meeting

June 18, 2019

Page 1
1
2

CITIZENS COINAGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE (CCAC) MEETING

3
4

Chaired by Thomas J. Uram

5
6

Tuesday, June 18, 2019
10:30 a.m.

7
8
9
10
11

United States Mint

12

2nd Floor Conference Room

13

801 9th Street, N.W.

14

Washington, D.C.

15

20220

Vanessa.Franck@usmint.treas.gov

16

(202) 354-7835

17
18
19

Reported by: Natalia Thomas

20
21

JOB No.:

3398749

22

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019

Page 2
1

A P P E A R A N C E S

2
3

CCAC MEMBERS:

4

Thomas J. Uram (Chair)

5

Mary Lannin

6

Erik Jansen

7

Robert Hoge

8

Michael Moran

9

Dr. Dean Kotlowski

10

Robin Salmon

11

Jeanne Stevens-Sollman

12

Donald Scarinci

13

Sam Gill

14

Dennis Tucker

15
16

MINT STAFF:

17

April Stafford

18

Greg Weinman

19

Roger Vasquez

20

Pam Borer

21

Ron Harrigal

22

Betty Birdsong

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019

Page 3
1

A P P E A R A N C E S

2

(Continued)

3

Megal Sullivan

4

Vanessa Franck

5

Joe Menna

6
7

PROGRAM LIASIONS:

8

Ezra Friedlander

9

Sadat CGM

10
11

Clare Durrett

12

Gleason CGM

13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 4

1

AGENDA

2

Welcome and Call to Order

3

Tom Uram, CCAC Chair

PAGE
5

4
5

Acceptance of Minutes and Letters from Previous

6

Meeting

7

8

Tom Uram, CCAC Chair

8
9

Review and Discussion of Candidate Designs for

10

the Anwar El Sadat Congressional Gold Medal

11

April Stafford, Design Management

12

Pam Borer, Design Manager

10

13
14

Review and Discussion of Candidate Designs for

15

the Steve Gleason Congressional Gold Medal

16

April Stafford, Design Management

17

Megan Sullivan, Design Manager

58

18
19

Adjourn

58

20
21
22

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 5

1

P R O C E E D I N G S

2

WELCOME AND CALL TO ORDER

3

MR. URAM:

I'd like to call the meeting of the

4

Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee to order on Tuesday

5

June 18th.

6

morning.

And I'd like to welcome everyone and good

7

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Good morning.

8

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Good morning.

9

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Good morning.

10

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Good morning.

11

MR. URAM:

Well, it's a dry day in Washington

12

D.C.

13

country, but it is that way here, but thanks for taking

14

your time out to be part of this phone meeting.

15

it's a little bit difficult sometimes, but I think with

16

today's subject everybody was pretty much okay with the

17

ability to do it this way.

18

to introduce the members of the Committee and please

19

respond present when I call your name.

I don't know so much in the other parts of the

I know

So before we begin, I want

20

MR. GILL:

Present.

21

MR. URAM:

Robert Hoge.

22

MR. HOGE:

Present.

Sam Gill.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 6

1

MR. URAM:

2

MR. WEINMAN:

3

MR. URAM:

4

Erik Jansen.
Not yet.

Not yet.

Dr Dean

Kotlowski.

5

DR KOTLOWSKI:

6

MR. URAM:

7

MS. LANNIN:

8

MR. URAM:

9

MR. MORAN:

10

MR. URAM:

11

MS. SALMON:

12

MR. URAM:

13

We'll come back.

Present.

Thank you.

Mary Lannin.

Present.
Michael Moran?
Present.
Robin Salmon?
Present.
Donald Scarinci?

Jeanne Stevens-

Sollman?

14

MS. SOLLMAN:

15

MR. URAM:

16

MR. TUCKER:

17

MR. URAM:

Present.

And Dennis Tucker?
Present.
Thank you.

We've a quorum.

18

Tom Uram, Chairman of the CCAC.

19

just go over today's agenda briefly.

20

we'll have a discussion --

21

MR. JANSEN:

22

MR. URAM:

I'm

And I wanted to do
First of all

I'm on.
Okay, Erik, you're on?

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 7

1
2

MR. JANSEN:

Yes.

Erik Jansen just joined.

Thank you.
MR. URAM:

3

Perfect.

If anyone hears Donald

4

chime in, we'll get him on board.

5

will include the discussion on letters of secretary and

6

the minutes, review of candidate designs for the Anwar

7

El Sadat Congressional Gold Medal program.

8

review candidate design for the Steve Gleason

9

Congressional Gold Medal program.

So today's agenda

And a

Before we begin our proceedings, so there are

10
11

members of press in attendance, we'll do attendance

12

first.

13

not, how about on the phone -- members of the press on

14

the phone?

15

"No, I can't think there's anybody back".

16

you.

17

Any members of the press in attendance?

Nobody there yet?

If

Poor Stephen (ph) says,
Okay.

Thank

Finally, for the record, I'd like to also

18

acknowledge the following mint staff that are

19

participating in today's public meeting.

20

Stafford, Chief Office of Design Management.

21

program managers for the office, Vanessa Franck, Megan

22

Sullivan, Pam Borer and Roger Vasquez.

April
And

We also have,

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 8

1

Joe Menna, Mint Chief Engraver, Ron Harrigal, Manager

2

of Design Engraving; Betty Birdsong, our liaison to the

3

CCAC; and Greg Weinman, counsel to the CCAC.

4

ACCEPTANCE OF MINUTES AND LETTERS

5

FROM PREVIOUS MEETING

6

MR. URAM:

So let's start with the minutes.

7

Is there any issues that we would like to discuss

8

before we proceed on our agenda?

9

MR. WEINMAN:

10

MS. STAFFORD:

11

MR. URAM:

No, sir.
No.

No.

Okay.

Thank you.

The first

12

item of the agenda is the approval of the minutes and

13

the secretary letters from the last public meeting.

14

What I'm going to do is break this up, because we do

15

have now amendment that I'm going to propose for the

16

secretary side.

17

secretary.

18

Hearing none is there motion to approve the letters to

19

the secretary?

So let's start with the letters to the

Are there any comments on the documents?

20

MR. HOGE:

21

MS. LANNIN:

22

MR. URAM:

So moved.

It's Robert.

Seconded, Mary.
Robert, Mary, all those in favor

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 9

1

please say aye.

2

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

3

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

4

MR. URAM:

Any objections to the motion?

5

Okay, letters are approved.

6

like to make an amendment here to that.

7

it states that notes of clear designs were received as

8

majority votes.

9

are -- did have a sufficient number and the gold, 09

On the minutes, I would
In Note 4, and

The silver medal -- 11 silver medal

10

gold obverse did have a majority of total votes.

11

thank Erik for pointing that out, because they did have

12

the required minimum number of votes.

13

were -- what I'd like to amend it to is to state votes

14

were taken and no clear pairings of the obverse and

15

reverse designs received a clear majority of the total

16

of the votes.

17

little bit clearer regarding our pairings.

18

have any issues with them?

19

have a motion on the approval of the minutes.

And I

And so the votes

That way it's clear that -- it makes a
Does anyone

Seeing none, I'd like to

20

MR. HOGE:

So moved, Robert.

21

MR. URAM:

Robert.

22

MS. LANNIN:

Second, Mary.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 10

1
2

MR. URAM:

Second, Mary.

All those in favor

signify by saying aye.

3

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

4

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

5

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

6

MR. URAM:

Are there any objections to the

7

motion?

8

are approved.

9

Office of Design Management to present the portfolio

If not with that minutes of the last meeting
We now turn to April, our Chief Mints

10

for the Anwar El Sadat Congressional Gold Medal and

11

introduce our stakeholders that are on the phone as

12

well.

13
14
15

REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF CANDIDATE DESIGNS FOR THE
ANWAR EL SADAT CONGRESSIONAL GOLD MEDAL
MS. STAFFORD:

Thank you so much, Chairman.

16

Public law 115-310, a Congressional Gold Medal is to be

17

awarded to Anwar El Sadat in recognition of his heroic

18

achievements and courageous contributions to peace in

19

the Middle East.

20

Jimmy Carter hosted President Sadat and Prime Minister

21

Begin at Camp David were the three leaders engaged in

22

13 days of negotiations that resulted in the Framework

On September 17th, 1978, President,

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 11

1

for Peace in the Middle East, commonly known as the

2

Camp David Accords.
Following negotiations, President Sadat and

3
4

Prime Minister Begin signed the Egypt-Israel Peace

5

Treaty at the White House on March 26th, 1979.

6

Addressing President Sadat at the signing of the peace

7

treaty, which remains an important anchor for peace in

8

the region today, Prime Minister Begin commended

9

President Sadat by saying, "In the face of adversity

10

and hostility, you've demonstrated the human value that

11

can change history -- civil courage".

12

fortunate to have with us Ezra Friedlander, CEO of the

13

Friedlander Group and our liaison for this program and

14

to the Sadat family.

15

on the phone?

17

Mr. Friedlander are you with us

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

16

Yes, I am.

Thank you very

much.

18

MS. STAFFORD:

19

say a few words to the Committee?

20

We are very

Wonderful.

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

Would you like to

Sure, I'd be honored to.

21

Anwar Sadat was seminal figure for the following reason

22

-- for many reasons, but for me, this stands out.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

He

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 12

1

proposed peace in a manner that required tremendous

2

courage.

3

Abul and he said, "I'll go and travel to the State of

4

Israel to propose peace".

5

created shockwaves across the world, but it also

6

resulted in his traditional allies divorcing themselves

7

from him.

8

national security interest of United States, but it

9

allowed for peace to be considered a viable option.

He went to his own people in his native town

When he did that, it not

And making peace was not only in this

10

And unfortunately he was killed for making peace with

11

Israel.

12

hopefully remind the world that the heroic leaders and

13

courageous leaders like Anwar Sadat do exist and would

14

also encourage the next generation of leaders to

15

conclude peace all over the world.

16

And the Congressional Gold Medal will

MS. STAFFORD:

Thank you so much.

17

course, Mr. Friedlander --

18

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

And, of

I want to elaborate -- I

19

know so much about the subject and I'm so passionate,

20

I'm afraid I'm going to take too much time.

21

MS. STAFFORD:

22

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

No worries.

I'm sure --

But I'm --

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 13

1

MS. STAFFORD:

-- if the Committee has

2

questions or you'd like to add information as we go

3

through design?

4
5
6

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

But I'm going to answer any

questions that anyone may have.
MS. STAFFORD:

Thank you so much.

Okay.

7

We'll now go first through the candidate designs for

8

the obverse of this medal.

9

MR. MORAN:

Hey, April this is, Mike.

10

MS. STAFFORD:

11

MR. MORAN:

12
13

Yes sir.

Does the -- Mr. Friedlander have a

preference to the obverse or reverse design?
MS. STAFFORD:

Yes.

And as we typically do as

14

we go through the portfolio, I will be sure to point

15

out Mr. Friedlander's preferences, which reflects the

16

Sadat family's preferences as well.

17

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

18

MR. MORAN:

19

MS. STAFFORD:

Okay.

20

MR. SCARINCI:

April, April --

21

MS. STAFFORD:

Yes.

22

MR. SCARINCI:

I just want to be sure you've

Correct.

Thank you.
Starting with --

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 14

1

recorded my presence for the call.

2

MR. URAM:

3

MR. WEINMAN:

4

MR. SCARINCI:

Donald Scarinci.

5

MS. STAFFORD:

Thank you.

Thank you, Donald.

We will.

So recorded.

All right.

6

Starting with the obverse candidate designs.

7

features a profile of Anwar El Sadat with the Khufu

8

Pyramid in the background.

9

include Anwar El Sadat and his signature in Arabic.

Obverse 1

Additional encryptions

Obverse 2 depicts a portrait of Anwar El Sadat

10
11

with an olive branch framing the left side of the

12

design.

13

the inscription "Anwar El Sadat".

14

His signature in Arabic is on the right with

Obverse 3 depicts a three quarter portrait of

15

Anwar El Sadat.

16

"President Arab Republic of Egypt".

17

is the family's preference as communicated by, Mr.

18

Friedlander for the obverse of this medal.

Inscriptions are "Anwar El Sadat" and

19

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

20

MS. STAFFORD:

Obverse 4, which

It's actually three.

Three.

Mr. Friedlander can you

21

clarify is the family's preference for the obverse,

22

design on obverse 3 or obverse 4?

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 15

1

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

2

MS. STAFFORD:

Three. AS-O-03.

Thank you.

I apologize.

So

3

going back to candidate design 3 for the obverse that

4

depicts a three quarter portrait of Anwar El Sadat and

5

the inscriptions are "Anwar El Sadat" and "President of

6

the Arab Republic of Egypt".

7

Friedlander's preference as reflected by Anwar El

8

Sadat's family.

9

Again, that is, Mr.

Observe 4, which is related to obverse 3

10

features a larger, dramatic portrait of Anwar El Sadat.

11

The inscription, "Anwar El Sadat" is incused along the

12

right border.

13

Obverse 5 depicts Anwar El Sadat with the

14

stylized pyramid form in the background, containing the

15

inscription "Anwar El Sadat" incused along one side.

16

Obverses 6 and 6A depicts left facing profiles

17

of Anwar El Sadat with the additional inscriptions of

18

his name and birth and death dates.

19

stylized Egyptian read.

20

6A also includes a

Obverses 7 and 7A feature three quarter

21

portraits of Anwar El Sadat set against the pyramid

22

stones in the background.

Inscriptions include, "Anwar

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 16

1

El Sadat" and "1918 through 1981".

2

Obverse 8 depicts a head and shoulders three

3

quarter portrait of Anwar El Sadat.

4

features a portion of the pyramids found in Egypt.

5

Inscriptions are "Anwar El Sadat" and "1918 through

6

1981".

7

The background

Obverse 9 features a profile portrait of Anwar

8

El Sadat in front of a pyramid shape.

9

"Anwar El Sadat" is arced across the top border.

10

The inscription

Obverse 10 illustrates a forward facing

11

portrait of Anwar El Sadat with The Great Pyramids of

12

Giza in the background.

13

Sadat" is arced around the top border.

14

The inscription "Anwar El

Obverse 11 depicts a three quarter portrait of

15

Anwar El Sadat with The Great Pyramids of Giza behind

16

him in the distant background.

17

inscribed above the pyramids.

18

"Anwar El Sadat" is

And finally, obverse 12 portrays a three

19

quarter portrait of Anwar El Sadat with The Great

20

Pyramids of Giza behind him in the distant background.

21

Arcing across the top of the medal is the inscription

22

"He lived for peace and died for principles".

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

That

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 17

1

concludes the portfolio for the obverse candidate

2

designs and I would just like to reiterate that, Mr.

3

Friedlander has communicated the family's preference

4

for the obverse is design 3.

5
6

Moving on to the candidate designs for the
reverses.

7

Yes?
MR. MENNA:

One thing that wasn't communicated

8

is obverse 4 and obverse 7 are both meant -- the

9

portraits are both meant to be incused into the field

10

as Egyptian pharaohs relief was done thousands of years

11

ago.

12

MS. STAFFORD:

13

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

14

MS. STAFFORD:

Thank you.

For the --

Who was that speaking?

For the record that was our

15

Chief Engraver -- that was our Chief Engraver, Joe

16

Menna.

17

Reverse design -- reverse designs starting

18

with reverse 1.

This design features a depiction of

19

the unknown soldier memorial and Anwar El Sadat's tomb

20

in Cairo, Egypt.

21

"1918 through 1981", "Act of Congress 2018" and the

22

quote "When the bells of peace ring, there will be no

Inscriptions are "Anwar El Sadat",

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 18

1

hands to beat the drums of war".

2

Reverses 2 and 2A depict the unknown soldier

3

memorial and Anwar El Sadat tomb with the inscriptions

4

"He lived for peace and died for principles".

5

El Sadat", "1918 through 1981" and "Act of Congress

6

2018".

7

reverse of this medal.

8

confirm that that is accurate?

9

Design 2 is the family's preference for the
Mr. Friedlander, can you

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

10

"Anwar

MS. STAFFORD:

Confirmed, yes.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Again just for the

11

Committee's reference reverse 2 is the Sadat's family

12

preference for the reverse of this medal.

13

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

I even have a statement that

14

I could read that the Committee would like to hear,

15

it's a brief statement from --

16

Mr. URAM:

17

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

18

MS. STAFFORD:

19

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

20

MS. STAFFORD:

21

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

22

sorry.

Please
We will --

Mr. Friedlander -We will --

I'm sorry, Mr. Friedlander --- the Sadat family -- oh,

I apologize.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 19

1

MS. STAFFORD:

I believe our Chairman has

2

requested to hear that information, but at the end of

3

the reverse portfolio.

4

MR. URAM:

5

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

6

MR. URAM:

7

Yes, that way the -Sure, sure.

-- Committee will understand.

I

think it would be better.

8

MS. STAFFORD:

Okay.

Thank you.

Reverse 3

9

showcases an olive branch and the quote "When the bells

10

of peace ring, there will be no hands to beat the drums

11

of war".

12

1918 through 1981 and Act of Congress 2018.

Additional inscriptions are Anwar El Sadat,

Reverse 4 portrays an olive branch atop the

13
14

quote "Any life lost in wars is a human life,

15

irrespective of its being that of an Israeli or an

16

Arab".

17

and died for principals" and Act of Congress 2018.

18

Additional inscriptions are "He lived for peace

Reverse 5, centrally features an olive branch

19

with the left half incused into the design and the

20

inscription around the border "When the bells of peace

21

ring, there will be no hands to beat the drums of war".

22

Additional inscriptions include "1918 through 1981" and

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 20

1

"Act of Congress 2018".

2

Reverse 6, emphasizes a quote from President

3

Anwar El Sadat, which reads "Any life lost in war is a

4

human life, irrespective of its being that of an

5

Israeli or an Arab".

6

The Great Pyramids of Giza.

7

inscription, "Act of Congress 2018", is incused at the

8

bottom of the design.

Beneath the quote is an image of
The additional

Reverse 7, depicts a different perspective of

9
10

the pyramid form seen in design, obverse 5.

11

incused on its surface reads, "Any life lost in war is

12

a human life, irrespective of its being that of an

13

Israeli or an Arab".

14

of Congress 2018", is at the bottom.

The quote

The additional inscription, "Act

Reverse 8, features the great pyramids of Giza

15
16

framed by a date palm tree.

17

inscription "Any life lost in war is a human life,

18

irrespective of its being that of an Israeli or an

19

Arab".

20

Below the pyramids is the

Reverse 9, depicts a different view of The

21

Great Pyramids of Giza with the inscription "Any life

22

lost in war is a human life, irrespective of its being

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 21

1

that of an Israeli or an Arab".

2

included in the right side of the design.

The date palm tree is

Reverse 10, also centrally features the quote

3
4

"Any life lost in war is a human life, irrespective of

5

its being that of an Israeli or an Arab".

6

the inscription are The Great Pyramids of Giza, a dove

7

with an olive branch and stylized Egyptian papyrus

8

plants.

9

2018" is arced across the bottom.

10

Surrounding

The additional inscription "Act of Congress

Reverse 11, features the same quote from

11

reverse 10, flanked by a four columns in the style of

12

those found at the Temple of Karnak along with the sun

13

symbol, a dove holding an olive branch and stylized

14

Egyptian papyrus plants.

15

around the border read "He lived for peace and died for

16

principals" and "Act of Congress 2018".

17

Additional inscriptions

Reverse 12, depicts a shen ring, an ancient

18

Egyptian symbol composed of a loop of rope with no

19

beginning and no end.

20

quote "When the bells of peace ring, there will be no

21

hands to beat the drums of war".

22

Anwar El Sadat's name written in Arabic.

Inscribed inside the ring is the

Below the quote is,

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

The

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 22

1

additional inscription is, "Act of Congress 2018".

2

And finally, reverse 13, depicts an ankh, an

3

Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol used to represent the word

4

"Life".

5

branches to symbolize peace.

6

is the quote "Any life lost in war is a human life,

7

irrespective of its being that of an Israeli or an

8

Arab".

9

name written in Arabic in addition to his birth and

10

Flanking the ankh on either side are olive
Inscribed along the top

At the base of the ankh is Anwar El Sadat's

death years "1918 and 1981".

11

That concludes the reverse portfolio.

And I

12

would ask, Mr. Friedlander to please share the comments

13

from the Sadat family.
MR. FRIEDLANDER:

14

Thank you very much.

And

15

I'd also thank the design team for creating all these

16

options for the family and for the Committee to review.

17

We -- here I'm reading from Sadat's family, "We all, as

18

the Sadat's family, can relate to the resemblance and

19

the design chose for the front and it touched every one

20

of us.

21

lived here every day.

22

foreign, will visit my father's tomb see and recall.

The design on the back is the reality that he
This is what visitors, local and

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 23

1

The simplicity of the writings, both front and back, is

2

what we as a family believe would be his choice.

3

totally convinced by both the front and back, exactly

4

as they are presented in AS-03, obverse 3 and AS

5

reverse 02.

6

appreciate your efforts in that matter.

7

Gamal El Sadat, who is the son of Anwar El Sadat".

8

Thank you.

9

We're

Thank you for understanding and we deeply

MR. UMAR:

All the best,

Thank you, Mr. Friedlander.

And

10

April, thank you for the report.

11

it's extremely grateful and I want to also congratulate

12

the family for this honor as well, because I think it's

13

well deserved and thank you for that letter from the

14

family as well.

15

And, Mr. Friedlander,

As far as the Committee goes, I'd like to open

16

this to the Committee and just say that we have a

17

tradition pretty much as it relates to Congressional

18

Gold Medal recipients.

19

concerns and thoughts and designs that the person being

20

representative and the family would like to see on

21

their Congressional Gold Model.

22

very, very nice designs here, particularly when Joe

That we value highly the

I think there are some

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 24

1

said regarding the incused number four and number

2

seven.

3

- opportunities, but it's really not -- shall I say

4

that -- even though we might like that, I think the

5

wishes and the honors of the family supersede in many

6

ways the other nice designs that are here.

7

congratulations to the artist who did these designs and

8

made them available for the family to make it a

9

selection.

I think there could be some wonderful designs -

So

So I'm fine with going through the

10

Committee and asking you to review the designs or, if

11

you would like to accept the requested preferences of

12

03 obverse and 02 reverse, I'm fine with that, whatever

13

the Committee would like to do.

14

MR. SCARINCI:

15

MR. URAM:

16

MR. SCARINCI:

17

MR. URAM:

18

MR. SCARINCI:

Tom?

Yes.
This is, Donald.

Yes.
This is, Donald.

19

but, I just can't let 4 go.

20

beautiful.

21

MR. URAM:

22

MR. SCARINCI:

I'm sorry,

It's beautiful.

4 is

No question.
And maybe -- if maybe we could

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 25

1

somehow communicate to the family, because I think, if

2

they could see 4, I think they would agree.

3

a stunning -- it's just a stunning obverse, and it's a

4

real tribute.

5

- I think it would be a shame to pass it up.

6

I -- again, while I'd love to differ to the family and

7

certainly on the reverse absolutely, I think we -- I

8

think we would be remised, if we didn't ask them to

9

take a second look at obverse 4 and see what we see

10
11
12
13

It's just

And I think it will be a shame to pass And while

there.
MR. URAM:

That will be fine.

As a matter of

fact, April, would like to follow-up?
MS. STAFFORD:

Well since, Mr. Scarinci

14

brought it up, obviously there is a relationship

15

between obverse 3 and obverse 4, that's submitted by

16

the same artist.

17

And obverse 4 was developed with the intention

18

that the portrait would be sculpted in the manner of

19

ancient Egyptian relief with the figure inset into the

20

surface of the medal and its features sculpted flush

21

with the medal's surface.

22

I would ask, Mr. Friedlander -- I know

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 26

1

initially the documentation we have was the Sadat

2

family submitted or articulated a preference for

3

obverse 4 initially, but I understand that it may have

4

subsequently changed.

5

to talk about maybe how they moved off of design 4 and

6

why they identified 3?

7

be very satisfied with either, would you like to speak

8

to that?

Mr. Friedlander would you like

Or, if you feel that they might

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

9

I'm just the glorified

10

messenger here, and I defer it to them as well.

11

cannot -- I don't know the reason that they selected

12

originally 4.

13

that, but it's just possible that we just go back and

14

forth on number of times.

15

objection to asking them with pleasure.

16

So I

And I don't actually remember saying

MS. LANNIN:

So I can -- I have no

Mr. Friedlander this is, Mary

17

Lannin.

18

with what Donald Scarinci said.

19

we have an opportunity not only to honor Anwar El

20

Sadat, but to honor an ancient Egyptian artistic

21

tradition, which would really hold the medal together.

22

I think it will be stunning.

I just want to say that I completely agree
I think with number 4,

I know the hands of Joe

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 27

1

Menna and the crew in Philadelphia.

This could turn

2

out to be one of the most beautiful Congressional medal

3

we ever done.

4

that number 4 would certainly be my choice and Donald's

5

and I'll open it back up to anybody else that would

6

like to comment on that.

And I really would urge you to consider

7

MR. UMAR:

Mary, thank you.

8

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

9

MR. UMAR:

I think that --

Fair.

You know, I agree.

When I heard

10

that it was going to be in incused in the tradition, I

11

think that that's why this is very good discussion.

12

But why don't we go around that and have every one --

13

go -- hold on one second.

14

MR. WEINMAN:

Before we do this -- this is,

15

Greg Weinman.

16

clarification, because I think it's important the

17

record reflects what we have on record as being the

18

preference from the family.

19

Stafford for the record to read an e-mail that

20

apparently we have received directly from the family.

21
22

Just -- this is a point of

MS. STAFFORD:

And so I would ask April

Okay.

And actually this e-mail

came from -- and Mr. Friedlander, forgive me if I'm

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 28

1

mispronouncing the name is it, Gamal.

2

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

3

MS. STAFFORD:

Gamal -- Gamal, yes.

Gamal -- from Gamal A. El Sadat

4

and this was forwarded to us from, Mr. Friedlander.

5

And I should read the entire e-mail.

6

mother and I reviewed very carefully all what you sent.

7

This is our choice for the front and back of the medal.

8

I am outside of Cairo at this time.

9

to call you -- me to call you, I'll do so.

Dear Ezra, My

If you still want
Thanks and

10

best regards, Gamal A. El Sadat.

11

obverse 4, which is the design that the Committee

12

members are speaking to.

And attached we have

13

MR. URAM:

14

MS. LANNIN:

15

MS. STAFFORD: The date of e-mail is April

16

Thank you, April.
What is the date of that?

24th.

17

MR. URAM:

18

MR. JANSEN:

Erik.
Got it.

So maybe in a subsequent

19

e-mail he may have perhaps overlooked or he may

20

erroneously referred to the wrong one.

21

actually picked 4, so maybe we went into those design

22

providence.

Maybe he

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 29

1

MR. URAM:

2

MR. JANSEN:

3

MR. URAM:

There you go.

There you go.

Thank you.
We've some other comments from the

4

members, so I can go -- why don't I go round and then

5

maybe we have -- everyone has an opportunity to speak.

6

Sam I'll start with you.

7

MR. GIL:

Okay.

Well, first of all, I also

8

differ to the family for whatever they want.

9

like the idea of going back to them and suggesting that

I also

10

they have another look at 04.

11

beautiful, beautiful relief.

12

an interest in this.

13

Cairo and I was there on Lafayette Square in 1979 when

14

that accord was signed.

15

medal in general and I think it's well, well deserved.

16

And to Mary's point, it could be one of the most

17

beautiful ones that Menna has ever produced.

18

differ to family, but I'm happy, if they would take

19

another look at 4.

But it's a beautiful,
I personally have kind of

I've visited that memorial in

So I love the idea of this

20

MR. URAM:

Thank you, Sam.

21

MR. HOGE:

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

22

with what Sam has said.

So I

Robert?
I concur

I do have a couple of

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 30

1

observations or maybe questions, though, I'd like to

2

address to Mr. Friedlander.

3

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

4

MR. HOGE:

Sure.

So Anwar Sadat, the name.

The

5

letter "E" does not really exist in Arabic.

6

literation we see it -- since the name given here is

7

Anwar El Sadat.

8

is normally rendered as Al, "Al".

9

even pronounced in the correct Arabic pronunciation.

It is as

I know in the scholarly manner the El
But the "El" is not

10

understand this would be Anwar Al Sadat.

11

wondering is there any particular preference as to the

12

way his name is rendered, Anwar El Sadat, Anwar Al

13

Sadat or just Anwar Sadat.

14

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

15

out to the family for clarification.

16

in the legislation itself that's the way it's spelled

17

and we clearly clarified it with the government of

18

Egypt, but even more importantly with the family to

19

make sure that this is the way he wanted it spelled.

20

And I'm not a scholar, I couldn't comment on how

21

historically.

22

-- at least it can't U.S. when they reported to

So I'm just

Anwar El Sadat.

We reached

And I think even

But I do believe that they pronounce it

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

I

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 31

1

President Sadat, I think President El Sadat.

2

MR. HOGE:

Yes.

I realize that, but in terms

3

of technical Arabic transliteration it will be "Al

4

Sadat".

5

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

Yes, yes, I hear that. I

6

think, again, with even with today's President they

7

call "al-Sisi" (ph), but in America this is el-Sisi.

8

And it's that in English they put it as "El".

9

yes, I was in the Middle East several months ago and

10

even in Israel, I realized that they said it as "al-

11

Sisi".

12

But now that you raising this, I guess, the more

13

correct historical pronunciation is the "Al" without

14

the "L", but here for some reason that's the way they

15

go.

16

But,

So wondered to myself, why do they do that.

That's the way they -MR. HOGE:

In Arabic letters, "S" being one of

17

them, have an illusion with the "L" before -- so the

18

"L" is not pronounced, letter "R" is same way.

19

wouldn't have L Rasheed (ph), it would R Rasheed (ph).

20

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

21

MR. HOGE:

22

You

Got it.

I believe that family wants --

prefers it to be.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 32

1

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

2

MR. WEINMAN:

3

MR. URAM:

4

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

5

MR. WEINMAN:

Yes.

Mr. Chairman?

Yes.
Yes.

Absolutely.

This is once again Greg Weinman.

6

We -- Robert, we had the same query at the beginning of

7

this program and we asked that question specifically to

8

the family.

9

Friedlander reported that they wanted the inscriptions

And what came back is what, Mr.

10

to read Anwar El Sadat, "El".

11

MR. UMAR:

12
13
14

Robert.

Thank you, Greg.

Thank you,

Any additional comments, Robert?
MR. HOGE:

No, that's it.

I'm in accordance

with what the -- having being said so far.

15

MR. URAM:

16

MR. JANSEN:

Okay.
Yes.

Thank you.

Erik?

I would thank, Donald for

17

raising this so directly in early on, because I think

18

it's quite fortunate that the alignment here between

19

what it appears in the artistic content with the

20

family's preferences come in line.

21

the Committee's responsibility to highlight the

22

artistic elements as well as trying to respect the

I think it's always

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 33

1

preferences of the family and folks involved.

2

think there's a tradition.

3

and you want to respect that.

4

position with -- I take an argument with there being a

5

tradition.

6

always try to respect that.

7

think the incused approach is a brilliant approach to

8

capture it well and capture it in well within the

9

history of Egypt that goes way back.

I don't

I think there is a tendency
And so, Tom, I take

I don't think there's a tradition that we
I do like design 4.

I

I like design 4,

10

that's why I'm going to support it extremely, and I

11

appreciate the time.

12

MR. URAM:

Thank you, Tom.
Thank you, Erik.

And, you know,

13

that's why I mentioned in my opening remarks that 4 and

14

7 were outstanding based on the possibility of the

15

artistic part of it as well.

16

MR. WEINMAN:

Greg, please.

Yes, just one more -- I

17

apologize, one more clarification would be something

18

we'll find in the e-mail.

19

from Gamal A. El Sadat who wrote, "Dear Ezra, this is

20

the way my father wrote his name.

21

would like it to be the same Anwar El Sadat".

22

MR. URAM:

Once again we have an e-mail

So, we as a family

Thank you, Greg.

Dr. Kotlowski.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 34

1

DR. KOTLOWSKI:

Okay.

My personal preference

2

was for number 7.

3

differ to the family -- I'm assuming that -- again,

4

that there's no miscue in that they prefer 3 and I'm

5

also willing to differ to my colleagues, Mr. Chairman

6

that they take a second look at number 4.

7

there's any interest in taking a third look, I think

8

number 7, in terms of the artistic design and a

9

historical significance is very, very important.

Although, I'm certainly going to

But if

And

10

I'm going to leave it there.

11

that I've always admired and respected Anwar El Sadat

12

as many of you have noted or will note.

13

teaching of both U.S. history and world civilizations

14

here I give special attention to the Camp David

15

Accords.

16

Carter that PBS did about 20 years ago.

17

of all the details here, but it get really gets home as

18

to what he did.

19

number 3, getting back to this point, I could see why,

20

because it emphasizes that he was President of the Arab

21

Republican of Egypt.

22

who made peace with another specific nation state.

I'm just going to say

And in my

And there is a wonderful documentary on Jimmy
I'll spare you

And if the family's preferences for

And that he was a national leader

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

And

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 35

1

I can certainly see that.

2
3

MR. UMAR:

Thank you.

Thank you, Doctor.

Mary, any

additional thoughts?

4

MS. LANNIN:

No. No additional thoughts.

I

5

think that the pairing of number 4 with what Donald

6

just said in the pairing of what the family has

7

indicated, their reverse preference would be -- would

8

really make a lovely medal.

9

MR. UMAR:

10

MR. MORAN:

Thank you.

Thank you, Mary.
Tom, thank you.

Sir, Michael?
I really like --

11

the motion is in order here that the Committee strongly

12

urges family to review their choice and consider number

13

4 in view of the numismatics significance of the

14

incused relief.

15

then so be it.

16

to reconsider 4, but in the end, I'm with (ph) whatever

17

their choice is on the obverse and I'm fine with the

18

reverse.

But, if they want to go with number 3,
And that's really where I am.

19

MR. URAM:

20

MS. SALMON:

Okay.

Michael.

Asking

Thank you.

Robin.

Number 4 was my choice originally

21

for the observe.

I think it's strong, beautiful design

22

and it's so important to include the artistic heritage

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 36

1

of Egypt in this design.

2

reverse of number 2 and think that pairing will make a

3

lovely medal (inaudible).

4
5

MR. URAM:

I also would agree with

Thank you, Robin.

Donald, any

additional thoughts?

6

MR. SCARINCI:

No.

I think all I can do is

7

urge -- urge number 4 and I'm going to vote for number

8

4.

9

do.

I believe in it.

I think it's the right thing to

I think it's a powerful image.

I think the words

10

-- I think "President, Arab Republic of Egypt" is just

11

-- honestly, it's just small.

12

not the whole picture.

13

was.

14

ways he was a symbol and is a symbol -- "is", not was,

15

"is".

16

- I think the medal evokes that and creates that he is

17

a symbol for peace and that he is a symbol for hope and

18

that he is a symbol for what could be.

19

that -- any words that limits that should be

20

eliminated.

21

Egypt" diminishes it.

22

mean, when you look at this a 100 years from now, he is

It's limiting and it's

It's really not just who he

He was much bigger than that.

And in so many

And, I think a medal -- I think a medal evokes -

And anything

And I think, "President, Arab Republic of
So -- and I think history -- I

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 37

1

Anwar Sadat and he is much bigger than President, Arab

2

Republic of Egypt -- much bigger.

3

-- if we had to go with number 3, I would eliminate

4

"President, Arab Republican of Egypt".

5

it.

6

MR. UMAR:

7

MS. SOLLMAN:

So I would eliminate

I'll eliminate

Thank you, Donald.

Jeanne?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

8

have to agree with my colleague very much.

9

like number 4.

I just

I am -- I

I think it's very powerful. I --

10

however, I do like the thought in number 7 and I know

11

that probably -- that's nothing to do with it, but just

12

number 4 -- the image of -- the portrait of Anwar El

13

Sadat is very powerful.

14

number 7 -- the fact that there is a little bit more

15

space around his forehead.

16

space and I don't know, if we can move that around or

17

help that out.

18

bothersome to me.

19

itself, I think, is very fine.

20

4.

21

wouldn't -- I would not take President of the Arab

22

Republic out of that number 3, because I think it gives

I kept -- I would like in

He has a little bit more

But, the lettering is a little
But the medal or the portrait
And I'll support number

I think I agree with very much Donald's, although I

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 38

1

this balance and now that number 3 is chosen I do

2

believe it should stay there. Thank you.

3

MR UMAR:

Thank you, Jeanne.

4

MR. TUCKER:

Dennis?

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I want to

5

echo the Committee's thoughts.

6

Friedlander and also the El Sadat family for sharing

7

their thoughts.

8

Gold Medals are national medals of a personal nature.

9

So we naturally respect the recipients preferences when

10

we have them, but we also have an opportunity to review

11

these medals in the broader context in all of the

12

official American medal of honor (ph) and American

13

numismatics in general.

14

Committee's general praise of the concept of sunken

15

relief.

16

Lyon Pratt's early 1900 gold coin designs, which had an

17

Indian head in sunken relief.

18

has ever been done in the Congressional Gold Medal

19

series -- the style of using sunken relief to portray a

20

portrait.

21

distinguish an already distinguished medal within the

22

broad context.

Thanks to, Mr.

My observations are that Congressional

And I will also echo the

The precedent in American gold coinage is Bela

And I don't believe this

So this is a great opportunity to

My understanding from what -- from the

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 39

1

e-mail that was read from April is that obverse 4

2

actually is the family's preference, but question that

3

I want to ask Joseph Menna is could obverse 3 not also

4

be sculpted in sunken relief that portrays the way

5

Pratt did with the gold coins of 1908.

6

what the artist had in mind for number 3, but I see no

7

reason why it couldn't be.
MR. MENNA:

8
9

This is, Joe.

It might not be

I mean, I can't

speak to the artistic intent of the coin or the medal

10

rather.

11

that portrait you would also probably you should

12

incused the letter instead of having a deposit that are

13

shown here, just because that I think you may have just

14

a little bit too much going on in terms of relief.

15

that would be my observation.

16

By just looking at it, if you were to think

MR. TUCKER:

17

Tom or April?

18

preference?

19

So

Can I have clarification, Greg or

Is number 4, in fact, the family's

MR. WEINMAN:

We can clarify is that we in

20

fact have an e-mail from the family saying it is number

21

4, but we will -- I think we will take the lead to

22

clarify after this -- after the meeting.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 40

1

MR. TUCKER:

Fine.

2

MR. WEINMAN:

And maybe Committee's

3

recommendation could possibly be based on that

4

classification.

5

a motion theoretically that said that the family -- the

6

CCAC endorses what they presumed to be the family

7

recommendation number 4.

Well, I would -- maybe there could be

8

MR. UMAR:

9

MR. TUCKER:

10

MR. UMAR:

Okay.
Greg -Dennis -- hold on, hold on, Dennis.

11

Well, I would like to give Dennis a rendition.

12

is that -- Dennis?

13

MR. TUCKER:

Yes.

Sorry.

Dennis

I was just saying

14

that it's a strong portrait either way.

15

itself is very similar in 3 and 4 and -- the artist

16

needs to be commended for that.

17
18

MR. UMAR:

Thank you.

I heard

-- go ahead.

19

MR. MORAN:

20

MR. UMAR:

21

MR. MORAN:

22

Okay, Dennis.

The portrait

It's, Mike.
Okay.
I've got a question for, Greg.

Greg given your suggestions that course of action here,

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 41

1

I assume that you will have the same time to convey the

2

Committee's sentiment about the incused relief.

3

doubt that -- I certainly would not expect them to

4

understand some of the incused -- like nuances here

5

that are involved.

6

it's done by the same artist it's somewhat the same

7

design.

8

your discussion or in e-mail that we might get a more

9

satisfactory -- or we might get what we want, which is

10

I

At the same time I feel like since

I think, if you were to capture in that way in

number 4.

11

MR. WEINMAN:

12

MR. MORAN:

Yes.
On the other hand, I don't want --

13

probably, yes, number three -- if 3 is what they want

14

then they get it.

15

MR. WEINMAN:

Well, kind of like several

16

comments in that.

17

conveyed to the family with the portfolio, but this is

18

a public meeting.

19

your minutes from this meeting that strongly convey the

20

Committee's feelings, and that's what the motion is.

21

You'll have the secretary's letter, which we will

22

share, which can strongly convey the Committee's

First, that information was in fact

This is a public record, you'll have

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 42

1

feelings, if that's where the motion goes.

2

looking at April across table here, who I know would

3

work with her staff to convey the Committee's feelings,

4

so -- when they clarify with family.

5

MR. URAM:

6

MS. STAFFORD:

7

And we --

Thank you very -Yes.

And of course, we'll work

through this with Friedlander on that.

8

MR. MORAN:

9

MR. URAM:

A follow up -- follow up on that.
Yes, and April just mentioned that

10

they would follow up with Mr. Friedlander as well.

11

ahead, Mike.

12

MR. MORAN:

Go

I think given the vagaries of how

13

this process works, we all know how it works here.

14

They want number 3 there -- they have to get number 3.

15

On the other hand, if we want to stand our ground we

16

all need to vote for number 4, because it will give

17

Greg a little more leverage in terms of discussing

18

this.

19

MR. URAM:

20

MR. MORAN:

21

MR. URAM:

22

Yes.

I am --

-- politics.
Right.

I am -- when I first looked

at the portfolio, number 4 and number 7 were the ones

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 43

1

that jumped out on me simply because -- and Donald,

2

thank you for diving right into it, because there does

3

seem to be a little confusion on it.

4

enough wording on the reverse, and what I really liked

5

about 4 is it the chin is up, the eyes are looking

6

forward.

7

portrait, the way I at least remember seeing him on

8

television at the time.

9

taking a vote via -- I don't know -- our polling, I

I did -- we have

It's just such a shining example of his

So rather than voting and

10

think --and listening to everyone's comments, it's the

11

Chair's decision that I think we should just entertain

12

a motion.

13

were saying there to endorse number 4 with the

14

stipulation that if it is finally determined that 3 was

15

really their preference, then we would differ.

16

that we as a Committee strongly urge and recommend

17

number 4.

18

roll call again if everyone would like to do that just

19

to make sure you're accounted.

20

MR. MORAN:

21

MR. URAM:

22

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

And Mike, if you would like to do what you

But

And we can go around the room regarding a

So moved.
I need a second.

Need a second.

Second.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 44

1

MR. URAM:

2

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

3

MR. URAM:

Need a second.
Jeanne, second.

Thank you, Jeanne.

All those in

4

favor of the motion to establish number 4 as our

5

preference and obverse -- I'm sorry, reverse number 2

6

in conjunction with them signify by saying aye.

7

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

8

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

9

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

10

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

11

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

12

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

13

MR. URAM:

Opposed?

Motion carries.

14

you everyone for that discussion.

15

MR. STAFFORD:

16

Thank

It was wonderful.

And thank you, Mr. Friedlander

for joining us.

17

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

18

MR. HOGE:

Thank you.

This is Rob.

I'd like to make one

19

observation -- actually maybe a question.

20

appropriate to have the recipient's name written on

21

both sides of these medals?

22

MR. URAM:

Is it

That's Robert speaking.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 45

1
2

MR. HOGE:

Yes, it's Robert.

The Anwar El

Sadat is mentioned on both obverse and reverse.

3

MR. URAM:

That's a good point.

4

MR. HOGE:

Is that normally done on

5

Congressional medal?

But I don't recall seeing it?

MR. WEINMAN:

6

It's not normally done.

There's

7

certainly no statutory provision on it, but it is a --

8

it is something worth bringing up at meeting.

9

might be worthy of a Committee recommendation.

10

MR. URAM:

That

And of course, it would have been

11

on number 3 as well, so you'd have pairing for almost

12

any of these would have been that way.

13

Robert.

14

So thank you,

Would you like to further discuss that?
MS. LANNIN:

This is Mary.

This is Mary.

I'd

15

like to make a motion.

16

as the obverse.

17

with the modification of removing "Anwar El Sadat" from

18

the diagonal line and just putting his date of birth

19

and death -- years (ph) of birth and death.

20
21
22

I move that we accept number 4

And we accept number 2 as its reverse

MR. URAM:

We have a motion moved forward by

Mary to make such a changes, is there a second?
MR. HOGE:

I second.

That's Robert.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 46

1
2

MR. URAM:

Robert seconds.

All those in favor

signify as saying I.

3

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

4

MR. URAM:

5

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

I.

6

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

I oppose.

7

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

I oppose.

8

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

I --

9

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

This is Don Scarinci

10

I

Opposed?

(ph).

11

MR. URAM:

Let's --

12

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

13

MR. URAM:

14

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

15

MR. URAM:

I do too.

Let's do a roll call on that.
What's the motion?

Mary, go ahead.

And what would you

16

like to do further discussion before we do -- we can do

17

a little bit more discussion.

18

on this, Mary.

19

MS. LANNIN:

Let's seek clarification

well, no, I just thought if the

20

double name was a problem, we could just remove the

21

name on the reverse and slide that birth year and death

22

year further down the pyramid for balance.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 47

1

MR. MORAN:

2

MR. URAM:

3

MR. MORAN:

Tom, this is Mike.
Yes, Mike.
I have a different suggestion.

4

His signature in Arabic, it appears on several

5

reverses, why not substitute that for the English?
MR. LANNIN:

6
7

Very good, Mike.

good.

8

MR. URAM:

9

MR. LANNIN:

Very good, Mike.

10

MR. TUCKER:

This is Dennis.

11

That's very

That's very good.

And I Can weigh

in as well?

12

MR. URAM:

13

MR. TUCKER:

Sure, Dennis.

Go ahead.

There is plenty of precedent for

14

having the recipient's name repeated.

15

name is on the obverse and reverse of her medal.

16

Jackie Robinson is on the obverse and reverse of his

17

medal.

18

even certainly no rule against having a name appear

19

twice.

20

to honor the President.

There -- I don't think there's any tradition,

And this is a personal medal that is intended

21
22

Dorothy Height's

MR. LANNIN:

So I'd say that as is -Well, I like to -- really like

Mike's --

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 48

1

MR. URAM:

-- putting in there.

I think so

2

too.

So it would still be on there twice, but it would

3

just reflect the other -- I think it's a great idea.

4

MR. LANNIN:

5

MR. URAM:

6

MR. KOTLOWSKI:

That is part of their culture.
Sure.

Any other thoughts?
I just wonder -- I think it's

7

a great idea and I do want to go along with it.

8

wonder we're making some suggestions to the family

9

about the obverse, and do we want to make -- I don't

10

know how strongly they would feel about that.

11

MR. URAM:

12

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

13

I just

And this is Dr. Kotlowski.
Can I -- may I interject

you?

14

MR. URAM:

15

MS. FRANCK:

16

MR. URAM:

17

MS. FRANCK:

18

MS. STAFFORD:

19

MR. FRIEDLANDER:

20

to it.

21

anything.

22

demands.

Sure.
Who is in?
Sure.
Mr. Friedlander.
Friedlander.
But I don't if I'm allowed

I don't think the family would object to
I think is that -- this is what many of them
So I think they would go along with that.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 49

1

And the management's confusion even between the

2

families because the first e-mail they selected 4 and

3

then they selected 2.

4

likely that this -- that number 4, which is what the

5

Committee seems to be going with -- it was their

6

original choice.

7

it they were away, so Mr. Sadat was travelling (ph) all

8

the time.

9

go along with anything the Committee selects.

So it may be possible and very

And then when I asked them to confirm

I think that the family is very amenable to
The only

10

thing I would like to point out is in fact with obverse

11

4, perhaps we should then have a -- the Arab --

12

"President, Arab Republic of Egypt" as well under the

13

signature or under his name.

14

don't see any -- why they wouldn't go with anything

15

that the Committee just decides on.

16

MR. URAM:

But other than that, I

Thank you, Mr. Friedlander.

Okay.

17

Dennis, thank you.

18

the having it incused and then having Arabic on the

19

reverse is really, really exciting.

20

think it's something they will be really proud of.

21

did -- do we have a motion now to -- I believe Mary has

22

made a motion, and then Mike has kind of modified it to

And Mike, I think that's -- between

I think it -- I

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

So

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 50

1

some degree.

Would you guys like to continue on with

2

that motion?

So we'll vote on that.

3

vote Mary's motion that -- well, take Mary, why don't

4

you say that -- why don't you say it that way.

5
6

MR. MORAN:

We're going to

Yes, I want Mary amend a motion to

--

7

MS. LANNIN:

Okay.

I would like to amend the

8

motion that we -- the Committee select obverse number

9

4, which appears to be the initial first choice of the

10

Sadat family and pair it with reverse number 2 removing

11

the English name "Anwar El Sadat" and replacing that

12

name written in Arabic along with the birth year and

13

the death year per my suggestion.
MR. URAM:

14

Now Mr. Friedlander also mentioned

15

about President, Arab Republic underneath the name

16

there, would you be able to get --

17

MS. LANNIN:

18

MR. MORAN:

19

MR. URAM:

20
21
22

it.

No, I might -- my
That throws the balance.
Too much -- too much.

Okay.

Got

Okay, just want to clarify for the record.
MR. JANSEN:

I'm confused about where -- which

side you're replacing the name with what.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Can Mary

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 51

1

just mention that?

2

MS. LANNIN:

3

MR. URAM:

4

MR. JANSEN:

The reverse.
Reverse 2.

Reverse 2.

So you're going to replace the

5

English "Anwar El Sadat" with the Arabic signature

6

there?

7

MR. URAM:

8

MR. MORAN:

9

MR. JANSEN:

10

Correct.
Yes.
Well, not visually clear or

pleasing to me at all, but -- so the motion goes.

11

MR. URAM:

Okay, Erik.

Thank you.

So we have

12

a motion on the floor and we have a second by Mr.

13

Moran.

14

signify saying aye.

I'd like to take a vote, all those in favor

15

MR. MORAN:

16

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

17

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

18

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

19

MR. URAM:

20

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

21

MR. URAM:

22

I.

Opposed?

Okay.

Opposed --

Motion carries.

opposed?

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Any other

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 52

1
2

MR. TUCKER:

I will abstain from this.

is Dennis.

3

MR. URAM:

4

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

5

MR. URAM:

6

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

7

Dennis abstain.
Jeanne, I also abstain.

Jeanne is abstaining.
Now, tell me what you

can do --

8
9

This

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

No -- okay.

It's a

motion that's passed -- I guess, it's a done deal.

But

10

can we -- is it possible to amend that motion -- that

11

motion?

12

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

13

MR. URAM:

14
15

I can do a new motion.

Yes, exactly, that we would do a

new motion.
MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

I mean, we just maybe

16

should consider -- if we could consider taking the name

17

off from the reverse and instead putting President of

18

the Arab Republic of Egypt there on the outline, would

19

that make -- would that help the situation?

20

MR. URAM:

21

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

22

Any other comments?
Erik, you're the one

that seemed most opposed to the Arabic, which I --

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 53

1

MR. JANSEN:

Well, I tried to visualize that,

2

and quite frankly, from an artistic perspective a line

3

moving from Southwest to the Northeast of the memorial

4

is attached along that line, that line is just

5

disrupted by the non-linearity of the Arabic signature.

6

And so it's a visual -- it's a -- visually, it's not

7

clear to me that that is a pleasant appearance.
MR. SCARINCI:

8
9

don't mind, everyone?

Can I make a suggestion if you
I think we're -- I think making

10

it a little too complicated for the family.

11

going to go back to the family and we're really asking

12

them to -- what we really want to communicate to them

13

is we feel passionately that they should go along with

14

number 4.

15

very complex and while we all understand it, and while

16

we know what we're talking about, it's not going to

17

sound very clear to them.

18

muddled.

19

they may very well say, "You know what, that both is

20

confusing, let's just go with what we originally said,

21

number 3.

22

going to do, period".

This is

But now we're going to communicate something

It's going to sound a little

And I think we're going to get lost.

That's what we want.

And

That's what we're

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 54

1

I think we're making it too confusing.

I

2

think, I understand what you all trying to do.

3

what we really -- we're not really dealing with the

4

secretary here, we're dealing with the family.

5

really want to try to do is get them to go with number

6

4.

And we

So I think -UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

7
8

But

Donald.

I agree, I agree with

I --

9

MR. URAM:

10

MR. TUCKER:

11

MR. URAM:

And one other thing at -This is Dennis.
Well, before -- Dennis, one second.

12

Before, I just want to mention -- and I hate to rain on

13

Mike's parade here and Mary, because it would look

14

beautiful.

15

showed me what it looks like in Arabic and it would not

16

fit on a line like that.

17

we have "In God We Trust", it's going to be on the

18

field which is going to distract from this whole --

19

it's going to redo it.

20

right.

21
22

However, we just looked at -- Greg just

MR. MORAN:
retract the motion.

It would have to be like how

So Erik, I -- you're absolutely

I got a suggestion, Tom.

Let's

And let the discussion speak for

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 55

1

itself as to where we talk to our issues and demand.

2

I'll work on with the final design and move on.
MR. URAM:

3

Okay.

Thank you, Mike.

And Mary

4

would you like to retract that, because I did look at

5

it in the Arabic spelling, it just going to mess the

6

field up to be honest with you.

7

MR. HOGE:

8

MS. LANNIN:

9

MR. HOGE:

Yes, just a moment.
I'll retract it.
This is Robert.

I was just

10

wondering if you were talking in terms of his name as

11

his handwriting or as his name is written on the

12

reverses number 12 or 13 for instance.

13

MR. URAM:

It's going to be -- it's going to

15

MR. HOGE:

Reverses --

16

MR. URAM:

13.

17

MS. FRANCK:

14

be --

This is the reverse.

Greg was

18

showing you what's on the obverse which is the

19

signature.

20
21
22

MR. URAM:
written.

Yes, signature versus what is

Exactly.
MR. HOGE:

I think if we put that, it would be

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 56

1

very linear.

2
3
4

That would probably fit more --

MR. URAM:
that.

Yes, that would work, if we went to

Erik, would you be all right with that thought?
MR. JANSEN:

Again, visually if you were to go

5

with the linear Arabic as opposed to an as written, I

6

don't have a visual problem with that.

7

MR. URAM:

Okay.

So Mary, we're back.

Mary

8

and Mike, I'm back to you guys to wrap this up because

9

I think we need to come to a conclusion.

10

MS. LANNIN:

11

MR. MORAN:

12

(Cross talk) 2.0.
And now you know why artistic

design by Committee is not a good idea.

13

MR. URAM:

14

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

15

MR. URAM:

But it was a good catch.
-- retract or retracts.

Let's just go with putting in the

16

word linear into the Arabic, if you'd like -- if you

17

guys could agree with that or everyone would be onboard

18

with something like that?

19

MR. TUCKER:

20

speak for a moment?

21

MR. URAM:

22

MR. TUCKER:

Mr. Chair, this is Dennis.

Can I

Sure, sure.
I really think that this is a

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 57

1

solution looking for a problem.

2

the recipient's name being on medal's choice.

3

it works the way it is now.

4

tinker with the designer's vision here.

5

that that this is not called for, and we should just

6

leave it as it is.

7

MR. MORAN:

8

MR. URAM:

9

you.

And we don't need to
I really think

Tom, this is Mike.
Yes.

MR. MORAN:

Thank you, Dennis.

Thank

Tom, let's just move on to the

next medal, we're done.

12
13

I think

Mike, go ahead.

10
11

We had no problem with

MR. URAM:
a vote.

No, no.

We have to vote.

We have

We have an open motion.

14

Mr. WEINMAN:

15

MR. URAM:

Let's Mary (cross talk).

And Mary, unless you withdraw the

16

motion and it stays the way it is or we take a vote on

17

the linear.

18
19

MS. LANNIN:
is.

A motion is stays the way that it

Number 4 and number 2.

20

MR. URAM:

21

MS. LANNIN:

22

MR. WEINMAN:

With no revisions?
With no revision.
Okay.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 58

1

MR. URAM:

Okay.

Then motion is dropped.

2

Thank you all very much and we'll report it

3

accordingly.

4

April?

Moving right along to our next category,

Thank you all very much on that.

5

REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF CANDIDATE DESIGNS FOR THE

6

STEVE GLEASON CONGRESSIONAL GOLD MEDAL

7

MS. STAFFORD:

Thank you.

This is public law

8

115-415, Awards of Congressional Gold Medal to Stephen

9

Michael "Steve" Gleason, honoring his mission to show

10

that patients cannot only live, but thrive after

11

diagnosis with amyotrophic sclerosis.

12

amyotrophic lateral sclerosis also known as ALS.

But -- sorry,

Born in Spokan, Washington, Steve Gleason

13
14

played both baseball and football at Washington State

15

University and joined the New Orleans Saints NFL team

16

in 2000.

17

his blocked punt during the first game played at the

18

Superdome in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina in

19

2006.

20

Football fans will always remember him for

In early 2011, Steve Gleason was diagnosed

21

with ALS, considered a terminal neuromuscular disease.

22

Following his diagnosis, Steve Gleason founded "Team

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 59

1

Gleason", which helps provide individuals with

2

neuromuscular diseases or injuries with leading edge

3

technology, equipment and services, raises global

4

awareness about ALS to find solutions and an end to the

5

disease, and has helped hundreds of people with ALS

6

experience life adventures they never thought possible

7

after their diagnosis.

8
9

Steve Gleason helped advocate for the "Steve
Gleason Act of 2015" and the "Steve Gleason Enduring

10

Voices Act of 2017", which permanently ensures that

11

people living with diseases such as ALS have access to

12

speech generating devices regardless of their setting,

13

whether at home or a healthcare institution.

14

We're fortunate to have with us Clare Durrett,

15

Associate Executive Director for Team Gleason.

16

our liaison for this program and to Steve Gleason.

17

Durrett, are you on the call and would you like to say

18

a few words to the Committee?

19

MS. DURRETT:

I am.

I am on the call.

She is
Ms.

Thank

20

you so much for allowing us to be present.

21

you without question, if Steve had heard that he was

22

following Anwar Sadat, he would not want to

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

I can tell

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 60

1

(inaudible).

2

man.

Just a little bit -- follow such a great

But I can just brief.

3

You just said a lot

4

about Steve.

5

He is known as an extraordinary athlete, as you

6

mentioned, and also a game changer.

7

earth is most impressive after being diagnosed with

8

ALS, and that's a disease with no known treatment or

9

cure to-date.

He is just simply an incredible human.

His footprint on

Just in the last 8 years, since his

10

diagnosis, he is continuing to inspire millions of

11

people at this medical center (ph), not only people

12

with ALS or any other diseases, but his following

13

reaches over a million people.

14

robust following and very, very inspirational.

And it's a really

He has, as you mentioned, passed two laws

15
16

protecting people with disability, not just people with

17

ALS.

18

research efforts in history.

19

to move, breath or speak, people who want their voices

20

now have one; people who can no longer move, now have

21

access; and people who're also independent now have

22

much about returned and the guy is just getting

He has also started the single largest ALS
And although he is unable

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 61

1

started.

2

incredible recognition for his work.

So this is just a huge honor and what an

MS. STAFFORD:

3

Thank you, Ms. Durrett.

We'll

4

start with the candidate designs for the obverse of

5

this medal.

6

Steve Gleason along with the inscription "Steve

7

Gleason".

8

Congress", "37", which is Steve Gleason's number when

9

he played football for the New Orleans Saints and "No

The obverse designs feature portraits of

Additional inscriptions include "Act of

10

White Flags", one of Gleason's mottos, representing the

11

idea of never giving up.
Please note that this legislation was passed

12
13

in late 2018, but signed on January 3rd, 2019, so the

14

final selected design will read "Act of Congress 2019".

15

If you see 2018 in any of the candidate designs, that

16

will be amended.

17

So we'll cycle through the obverse candidate

18

designs.

19

candidate design 7 for the obverse, because this is

20

Steve Gleason's preferred design.

21
22

Obverse 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

I'll pause on

8, 9 and 10.

Moving on to the reverse designs, all
candidate designs for the reverse are emblematic of

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 62

1

Gleason's childhood in the Pacific Northwest,

2

representing a lifetime of travel and exploration.

3

Inscriptions include "Keep Exploring", an important

4

phrase throughout Gleason's life, representing both his

5

travel and his journey with ALS.

6

Never", another of Gleason's phrases, representing the

7

importance of not putting things off, and "Act of

8

Congress".

"Better Now than

Move through the candidate designs for the

9
10

reverse.

11

Gleason's preferred design, but he did have some

12

requested edits.

13

shifted down to show more sky and an enlarged moon.

14

would also like to see the "Act of Congress"

15

inscription removed as it is already on his preferred

16

obverse design.

17

he suggests it would -- it might be placed on an arc

18

along the bottom of the design.

19

Reverse 1, 2, 3.

Reverse 3 is Steve

He suggested that the design might be
He

And the inscription "Keep Exploring",

Moving on, reverse 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.

20

Mr. Chairman that concludes the portfolio of candidate

21

designs.

22

MR. URAM:

Thank you, April, once again.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

And

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 63

1

Clare, thanks for being part of our discussion this

2

morning and the thoughts that you have on the preferred

3

designs as well.

4

this point that any of members of the Committee would

5

like to address that may go into general discussion?

6

Go ahead.

7

Are there any technical questions at

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

My question, April.

8

you do the changes to 3 that Steve suggests, don't you

9

get 4 or 6?

10

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

11

MS. STAFFORD:

12

that was Ms. Jeanne Stevens-Sollman.
MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

14

MS. STAFFORD:

16
17
18

No, no.

Just for the record, I think

13

15

If

Yes it was -- Sorry --

Jeanne, would you like to

comment there?
MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

I don't agree with that

-- but the landscape is so different.
MR. URAM:

Personally, I do like the idea of

19

the corrections to number 3 with the "Keep Exploring"

20

wrapped around the 7 to 4 o' clock area there, and

21

deleting -- that was good pick up and we take out the

22

"Act of Congress".

That was good pick up.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

So Joe,

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 64

1

would you like to make a comment as regards to the kind

2

of like -- of what you think about this?
MR. MENNA:

3

I'm right on board with Mr.

4

Gleason.

5

Arch that "Keep Exploring", get rid of AOC, drop the

6

landscape down a bit, enlarge the moon.

7

guy's got, among every others thing in his life that he

8

has to achieved, he's got an amazing artistic eye, so

9

I'll go with that.

I think what he said is right on target.

MR. URAM:

10

Thank you, Joe.

I mean the

So is there -- are

11

there any other comments being that that can be

12

achieved?

13

leave it up to the Committee once again in regards to

14

reviewing and going through all the designs or would

15

you like to make a motion to accept the Clare's and Mr.

16

Steve Gleason's obverse 7 and reverse 3 with the

17

modifications?

Would you like to review the -- and I'll

18

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

19

MR. HOGE:

20

I would --

This is Robert.

I would like to

make that motion to accept these finds.

21

MR. SCARINCI:

22

MR. URAM:

I would second it.

Who would second that?

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

I didn't

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 65

1

here, was that Dean?

2

MR. WEINMAN:

3

MR. URAM:

4

MR. SCARINCI:

5

MR. URAM:

6

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

7

That was Don.

Okay.

Donald, Donald.

Okay.
You don't recognize

Don's voice by now, Tom?

8
9

Don, Don.

MR. URAM:

It was little muffled.

And what

can I say, we just want to make sure for the record --

10

we got to make sure.

11

the floor to obverse 7 with the revisions to reverse 3.

12

Is there any further discussion?

13

MR. JANSEN:

14

MR. URAM:

15

MR. JANSEN:

So I -- so we have a motion on

Tom, this is Erik.
Go ahead.
There are couple of thoughts

16

here.

17

tools that are used to create some of this artwork.

18

personally feel as though design number 3, I'm fine

19

with the design, technique and so forth.

20

stone fields placed naturally there and the waves in

21

the water don't feel appropriate.

22

could be in an ocean, not in a moving or flowing river.

And I think sometimes we run into this with the
I

There are

Those are waves that

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 66

1

And I think by moving the "Keep Exploring" into an arc

2

around this, remember that's fine.

3

going to by virtue of kind of the negative space

4

effect, going to bring a lot more eye attention to the

5

water.

6

changes, we're going to have to pay attention to that

7

or going to end up looking -- it's going to end up

8

looking not like a fast moving creek, but an ocean in

9

the mountains.

But I think that is

And so I think when it's re-rendered with those

MR. URAM:

10

Okay, Erik.

Thank you.

And Joe,

11

you picked up on that.

12

-- and I believe Steve Gleason's comment was that he

13

wanted to see the moon larger so that the effect would

14

be on the moon instead of the stream or the rocks and

15

so forth.

16

it from there.

17

go ahead, Jeanne.

And I know moving this down and

But thank you, Erik.

And Joe, you can take

So we have a motion on the floor to --

18

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

19

to have the Committee look at number 10.

20

MR. URAM:

21

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

22

Tom, I just would like

Reverse 10?
Reverse 10.

If we put

"Keep Exploring" down instead of AOC, we could have a

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 67

1

moon -- I love the fact that we have an explorer or

2

hiker in the moon.

3

and I therefore -- just too thought about this.

4

really thinking outside the box.

5

designs are very nice, but they are sort of typical.

It's just a very innovative design

MR. JANSEN:

6

It is

All of our other

I'd like to back up Jeanne's

7

comments there and encourage everybody to score merit

8

according to how they feel the design.

9

well, but I -- I'm more moved to try to accommodate

10

I like 10 as

family's preference.
MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

11

Yes, that I agree also,

12

but I just like, you should really pay attention to

13

number 10 because it is -- what we have been asking our

14

mint artist to do is something unusual and this is that

15

addresses that.

16

MR. JANSEN:

17

MR. URAM:

For sure.
Jeanne and Erik, thank you had a

18

very good call on that.

19

will vote on this motion and should it pass, we'll go

20

with that.

21

regarding the merit to Greg, if you are convenient.

22

for the purpose of the design, we have the motion on

So let -- what we'll do is we

And then you can send your comments

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

So

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 68

1

the floor.

Without further discussion, I'll take a

2

vote on that.

All those in favor signify saying aye.

3

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

4

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

5

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

6

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

7

MR. URAM:

Opposed?

Motion carries.

Thank

8

you, Clare for being part of that, and I think you're

9

going to have a wonderful representation at a

10

Congressional level for Steve Gleason.
MS. DURRETT:

11

No, no doubt.

And he does -- he

12

has his opinions about the medal, but he took the honor

13

that it will happen.

14

anything.
MR. URAM:

15

I mean, he would be fine with

Thank you.

And once again, please

16

send your comments to Greg regarding the merits.

17

agree with Erik and Jeanne in regards to the comments

18

of the moon with the silhouette is very, very well

19

done.

20

participated and came up with the great designs.

And thank you to all of the artists who

21
22

And I

ADJOURN
MR. URAM:

At this time, if there's no further

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 69

1

business to come before the group, I will ask for a

2

motion to adjourn.

3

meeting will be on July 17th and -- 17 -- July 17.

4

With that, may I have a motion to adjourn?

5

stick around.

6

here and thank you very much for all the discussion

7

today.

8

adjourn.

I remind everyone that our next

I hope that everyone has a great week

Once again, I'd like to have a motion to

9

MR. HOGE:

So moved.

10

MR. URAM:

Second.

11

MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN:

12

MR. URAM:

13

This is Robert.

Second.

Jeanne, second.

All those in favor

signify by saying aye.

14

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

15

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

16

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Aye.

17

MR. URAM:

18

Everyone

Have a great week.

Thank you all

very much.

19

MS. STAFFORD:

Thank you, bye.

20

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Good bye.

21

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Thank you. Bye.

22

UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:

Bye.

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 70

1
2

CERTIFICATE OF NOTARY PUBLIC
I, NATALIA THOMAS, the officer before whom the

3

foregoing proceedings were taken, do hereby certify

4

that any witness(es) in the foregoing proceedings,

5

prior to testifying, were duly sworn; that the

6

proceedings were recorded by me and thereafter reduced

7

to typewriting by a qualified transcriptionist; that

8

said digital audio recording of said proceedings are a

9

true and accurate record to the best of my knowledge,

10

skills, and ability; that I am neither counsel for,

11

related to, nor employed by any of the parties to the

12

action in which this was taken; and, further, that I am

13

not a relative or employee of any counsel or attorney

14

employed by the parties hereto, nor financially or

15

otherwise interested in the outcome of this action.

16
17
18

<%14519,Signature%>

19

NATALIA THOMAS

20

Notary Public in and for the

21

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

22

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376

Meeting

June 18, 2019
Page 71

1
2

CERTIFICATE OF TRANSCRIBER
I, JIMMY JACOB, do hereby certify that this

3

transcript was prepared from the digital audio

4

recording of the foregoing proceeding, that said

5

transcript is a true and accurate record of the

6

proceedings to the best of my knowledge, skills, and

7

ability; that I am neither counsel for, related to, nor

8

employed by any of the parties to the action in which

9

this was taken; and, further, that I am not a relative

10

or employee of any counsel or attorney employed by the

11

parties hereto, nor financially or otherwise interested

12

in the outcome of this action.

13
14
15

JIMMY JACOB

16
17
18
19
20
21
22

www.CapitalReportingCompany.com
202-857-3376