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Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 1 1 2 CITIZENS COINAGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE (CCAC) MEETING 3 4 Chaired by Thomas J. Uram 5 6 Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:30 a.m. 7 8 9 10 11 United States Mint 12 2nd Floor Conference Room 13 801 9th Street, N.W. 14 Washington, D.C. 15 20220 Vanessa.Franck@usmint.treas.gov 16 (202) 354-7835 17 18 19 Reported by: Natalia Thomas 20 21 JOB No.: 3398749 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 CCAC MEMBERS: 4 Thomas J. Uram (Chair) 5 Mary Lannin 6 Erik Jansen 7 Robert Hoge 8 Michael Moran 9 Dr. Dean Kotlowski 10 Robin Salmon 11 Jeanne Stevens-Sollman 12 Donald Scarinci 13 Sam Gill 14 Dennis Tucker 15 16 MINT STAFF: 17 April Stafford 18 Greg Weinman 19 Roger Vasquez 20 Pam Borer 21 Ron Harrigal 22 Betty Birdsong www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 3 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 (Continued) 3 Megal Sullivan 4 Vanessa Franck 5 Joe Menna 6 7 PROGRAM LIASIONS: 8 Ezra Friedlander 9 Sadat CGM 10 11 Clare Durrett 12 Gleason CGM 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 4 1 AGENDA 2 Welcome and Call to Order 3 Tom Uram, CCAC Chair PAGE 5 4 5 Acceptance of Minutes and Letters from Previous 6 Meeting 7 8 Tom Uram, CCAC Chair 8 9 Review and Discussion of Candidate Designs for 10 the Anwar El Sadat Congressional Gold Medal 11 April Stafford, Design Management 12 Pam Borer, Design Manager 10 13 14 Review and Discussion of Candidate Designs for 15 the Steve Gleason Congressional Gold Medal 16 April Stafford, Design Management 17 Megan Sullivan, Design Manager 58 18 19 Adjourn 58 20 21 22 www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 5 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 WELCOME AND CALL TO ORDER 3 MR. URAM: I'd like to call the meeting of the 4 Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee to order on Tuesday 5 June 18th. 6 morning. And I'd like to welcome everyone and good 7 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Good morning. 8 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Good morning. 9 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Good morning. 10 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Good morning. 11 MR. URAM: Well, it's a dry day in Washington 12 D.C. 13 country, but it is that way here, but thanks for taking 14 your time out to be part of this phone meeting. 15 it's a little bit difficult sometimes, but I think with 16 today's subject everybody was pretty much okay with the 17 ability to do it this way. 18 to introduce the members of the Committee and please 19 respond present when I call your name. I don't know so much in the other parts of the I know So before we begin, I want 20 MR. GILL: Present. 21 MR. URAM: Robert Hoge. 22 MR. HOGE: Present. Sam Gill. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 6 1 MR. URAM: 2 MR. WEINMAN: 3 MR. URAM: 4 Erik Jansen. Not yet. Not yet. Dr Dean Kotlowski. 5 DR KOTLOWSKI: 6 MR. URAM: 7 MS. LANNIN: 8 MR. URAM: 9 MR. MORAN: 10 MR. URAM: 11 MS. SALMON: 12 MR. URAM: 13 We'll come back. Present. Thank you. Mary Lannin. Present. Michael Moran? Present. Robin Salmon? Present. Donald Scarinci? Jeanne Stevens- Sollman? 14 MS. SOLLMAN: 15 MR. URAM: 16 MR. TUCKER: 17 MR. URAM: Present. And Dennis Tucker? Present. Thank you. We've a quorum. 18 Tom Uram, Chairman of the CCAC. 19 just go over today's agenda briefly. 20 we'll have a discussion -- 21 MR. JANSEN: 22 MR. URAM: I'm And I wanted to do First of all I'm on. Okay, Erik, you're on? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 7 1 2 MR. JANSEN: Yes. Erik Jansen just joined. Thank you. MR. URAM: 3 Perfect. If anyone hears Donald 4 chime in, we'll get him on board. 5 will include the discussion on letters of secretary and 6 the minutes, review of candidate designs for the Anwar 7 El Sadat Congressional Gold Medal program. 8 review candidate design for the Steve Gleason 9 Congressional Gold Medal program. So today's agenda And a Before we begin our proceedings, so there are 10 11 members of press in attendance, we'll do attendance 12 first. 13 not, how about on the phone -- members of the press on 14 the phone? 15 "No, I can't think there's anybody back". 16 you. 17 Any members of the press in attendance? Nobody there yet? If Poor Stephen (ph) says, Okay. Thank Finally, for the record, I'd like to also 18 acknowledge the following mint staff that are 19 participating in today's public meeting. 20 Stafford, Chief Office of Design Management. 21 program managers for the office, Vanessa Franck, Megan 22 Sullivan, Pam Borer and Roger Vasquez. April And We also have, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 8 1 Joe Menna, Mint Chief Engraver, Ron Harrigal, Manager 2 of Design Engraving; Betty Birdsong, our liaison to the 3 CCAC; and Greg Weinman, counsel to the CCAC. 4 ACCEPTANCE OF MINUTES AND LETTERS 5 FROM PREVIOUS MEETING 6 MR. URAM: So let's start with the minutes. 7 Is there any issues that we would like to discuss 8 before we proceed on our agenda? 9 MR. WEINMAN: 10 MS. STAFFORD: 11 MR. URAM: No, sir. No. No. Okay. Thank you. The first 12 item of the agenda is the approval of the minutes and 13 the secretary letters from the last public meeting. 14 What I'm going to do is break this up, because we do 15 have now amendment that I'm going to propose for the 16 secretary side. 17 secretary. 18 Hearing none is there motion to approve the letters to 19 the secretary? So let's start with the letters to the Are there any comments on the documents? 20 MR. HOGE: 21 MS. LANNIN: 22 MR. URAM: So moved. It's Robert. Seconded, Mary. Robert, Mary, all those in favor www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 9 1 please say aye. 2 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 3 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 4 MR. URAM: Any objections to the motion? 5 Okay, letters are approved. 6 like to make an amendment here to that. 7 it states that notes of clear designs were received as 8 majority votes. 9 are -- did have a sufficient number and the gold, 09 On the minutes, I would In Note 4, and The silver medal -- 11 silver medal 10 gold obverse did have a majority of total votes. 11 thank Erik for pointing that out, because they did have 12 the required minimum number of votes. 13 were -- what I'd like to amend it to is to state votes 14 were taken and no clear pairings of the obverse and 15 reverse designs received a clear majority of the total 16 of the votes. 17 little bit clearer regarding our pairings. 18 have any issues with them? 19 have a motion on the approval of the minutes. And I And so the votes That way it's clear that -- it makes a Does anyone Seeing none, I'd like to 20 MR. HOGE: So moved, Robert. 21 MR. URAM: Robert. 22 MS. LANNIN: Second, Mary. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 10 1 2 MR. URAM: Second, Mary. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 3 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 4 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 5 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 6 MR. URAM: Are there any objections to the 7 motion? 8 are approved. 9 Office of Design Management to present the portfolio If not with that minutes of the last meeting We now turn to April, our Chief Mints 10 for the Anwar El Sadat Congressional Gold Medal and 11 introduce our stakeholders that are on the phone as 12 well. 13 14 15 REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF CANDIDATE DESIGNS FOR THE ANWAR EL SADAT CONGRESSIONAL GOLD MEDAL MS. STAFFORD: Thank you so much, Chairman. 16 Public law 115-310, a Congressional Gold Medal is to be 17 awarded to Anwar El Sadat in recognition of his heroic 18 achievements and courageous contributions to peace in 19 the Middle East. 20 Jimmy Carter hosted President Sadat and Prime Minister 21 Begin at Camp David were the three leaders engaged in 22 13 days of negotiations that resulted in the Framework On September 17th, 1978, President, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 11 1 for Peace in the Middle East, commonly known as the 2 Camp David Accords. Following negotiations, President Sadat and 3 4 Prime Minister Begin signed the Egypt-Israel Peace 5 Treaty at the White House on March 26th, 1979. 6 Addressing President Sadat at the signing of the peace 7 treaty, which remains an important anchor for peace in 8 the region today, Prime Minister Begin commended 9 President Sadat by saying, "In the face of adversity 10 and hostility, you've demonstrated the human value that 11 can change history -- civil courage". 12 fortunate to have with us Ezra Friedlander, CEO of the 13 Friedlander Group and our liaison for this program and 14 to the Sadat family. 15 on the phone? 17 Mr. Friedlander are you with us MR. FRIEDLANDER: 16 Yes, I am. Thank you very much. 18 MS. STAFFORD: 19 say a few words to the Committee? 20 We are very Wonderful. MR. FRIEDLANDER: Would you like to Sure, I'd be honored to. 21 Anwar Sadat was seminal figure for the following reason 22 -- for many reasons, but for me, this stands out. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 He Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 12 1 proposed peace in a manner that required tremendous 2 courage. 3 Abul and he said, "I'll go and travel to the State of 4 Israel to propose peace". 5 created shockwaves across the world, but it also 6 resulted in his traditional allies divorcing themselves 7 from him. 8 national security interest of United States, but it 9 allowed for peace to be considered a viable option. He went to his own people in his native town When he did that, it not And making peace was not only in this 10 And unfortunately he was killed for making peace with 11 Israel. 12 hopefully remind the world that the heroic leaders and 13 courageous leaders like Anwar Sadat do exist and would 14 also encourage the next generation of leaders to 15 conclude peace all over the world. 16 And the Congressional Gold Medal will MS. STAFFORD: Thank you so much. 17 course, Mr. Friedlander -- 18 MR. FRIEDLANDER: And, of I want to elaborate -- I 19 know so much about the subject and I'm so passionate, 20 I'm afraid I'm going to take too much time. 21 MS. STAFFORD: 22 MR. FRIEDLANDER: No worries. I'm sure -- But I'm -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 13 1 MS. STAFFORD: -- if the Committee has 2 questions or you'd like to add information as we go 3 through design? 4 5 6 MR. FRIEDLANDER: But I'm going to answer any questions that anyone may have. MS. STAFFORD: Thank you so much. Okay. 7 We'll now go first through the candidate designs for 8 the obverse of this medal. 9 MR. MORAN: Hey, April this is, Mike. 10 MS. STAFFORD: 11 MR. MORAN: 12 13 Yes sir. Does the -- Mr. Friedlander have a preference to the obverse or reverse design? MS. STAFFORD: Yes. And as we typically do as 14 we go through the portfolio, I will be sure to point 15 out Mr. Friedlander's preferences, which reflects the 16 Sadat family's preferences as well. 17 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 18 MR. MORAN: 19 MS. STAFFORD: Okay. 20 MR. SCARINCI: April, April -- 21 MS. STAFFORD: Yes. 22 MR. SCARINCI: I just want to be sure you've Correct. Thank you. Starting with -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 14 1 recorded my presence for the call. 2 MR. URAM: 3 MR. WEINMAN: 4 MR. SCARINCI: Donald Scarinci. 5 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. Thank you, Donald. We will. So recorded. All right. 6 Starting with the obverse candidate designs. 7 features a profile of Anwar El Sadat with the Khufu 8 Pyramid in the background. 9 include Anwar El Sadat and his signature in Arabic. Obverse 1 Additional encryptions Obverse 2 depicts a portrait of Anwar El Sadat 10 11 with an olive branch framing the left side of the 12 design. 13 the inscription "Anwar El Sadat". 14 His signature in Arabic is on the right with Obverse 3 depicts a three quarter portrait of 15 Anwar El Sadat. 16 "President Arab Republic of Egypt". 17 is the family's preference as communicated by, Mr. 18 Friedlander for the obverse of this medal. Inscriptions are "Anwar El Sadat" and 19 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 20 MS. STAFFORD: Obverse 4, which It's actually three. Three. Mr. Friedlander can you 21 clarify is the family's preference for the obverse, 22 design on obverse 3 or obverse 4? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 15 1 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 2 MS. STAFFORD: Three. AS-O-03. Thank you. I apologize. So 3 going back to candidate design 3 for the obverse that 4 depicts a three quarter portrait of Anwar El Sadat and 5 the inscriptions are "Anwar El Sadat" and "President of 6 the Arab Republic of Egypt". 7 Friedlander's preference as reflected by Anwar El 8 Sadat's family. 9 Again, that is, Mr. Observe 4, which is related to obverse 3 10 features a larger, dramatic portrait of Anwar El Sadat. 11 The inscription, "Anwar El Sadat" is incused along the 12 right border. 13 Obverse 5 depicts Anwar El Sadat with the 14 stylized pyramid form in the background, containing the 15 inscription "Anwar El Sadat" incused along one side. 16 Obverses 6 and 6A depicts left facing profiles 17 of Anwar El Sadat with the additional inscriptions of 18 his name and birth and death dates. 19 stylized Egyptian read. 20 6A also includes a Obverses 7 and 7A feature three quarter 21 portraits of Anwar El Sadat set against the pyramid 22 stones in the background. Inscriptions include, "Anwar www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 16 1 El Sadat" and "1918 through 1981". 2 Obverse 8 depicts a head and shoulders three 3 quarter portrait of Anwar El Sadat. 4 features a portion of the pyramids found in Egypt. 5 Inscriptions are "Anwar El Sadat" and "1918 through 6 1981". 7 The background Obverse 9 features a profile portrait of Anwar 8 El Sadat in front of a pyramid shape. 9 "Anwar El Sadat" is arced across the top border. 10 The inscription Obverse 10 illustrates a forward facing 11 portrait of Anwar El Sadat with The Great Pyramids of 12 Giza in the background. 13 Sadat" is arced around the top border. 14 The inscription "Anwar El Obverse 11 depicts a three quarter portrait of 15 Anwar El Sadat with The Great Pyramids of Giza behind 16 him in the distant background. 17 inscribed above the pyramids. 18 "Anwar El Sadat" is And finally, obverse 12 portrays a three 19 quarter portrait of Anwar El Sadat with The Great 20 Pyramids of Giza behind him in the distant background. 21 Arcing across the top of the medal is the inscription 22 "He lived for peace and died for principles". www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 That Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 17 1 concludes the portfolio for the obverse candidate 2 designs and I would just like to reiterate that, Mr. 3 Friedlander has communicated the family's preference 4 for the obverse is design 3. 5 6 Moving on to the candidate designs for the reverses. 7 Yes? MR. MENNA: One thing that wasn't communicated 8 is obverse 4 and obverse 7 are both meant -- the 9 portraits are both meant to be incused into the field 10 as Egyptian pharaohs relief was done thousands of years 11 ago. 12 MS. STAFFORD: 13 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 14 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. For the -- Who was that speaking? For the record that was our 15 Chief Engraver -- that was our Chief Engraver, Joe 16 Menna. 17 Reverse design -- reverse designs starting 18 with reverse 1. This design features a depiction of 19 the unknown soldier memorial and Anwar El Sadat's tomb 20 in Cairo, Egypt. 21 "1918 through 1981", "Act of Congress 2018" and the 22 quote "When the bells of peace ring, there will be no Inscriptions are "Anwar El Sadat", www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 18 1 hands to beat the drums of war". 2 Reverses 2 and 2A depict the unknown soldier 3 memorial and Anwar El Sadat tomb with the inscriptions 4 "He lived for peace and died for principles". 5 El Sadat", "1918 through 1981" and "Act of Congress 6 2018". 7 reverse of this medal. 8 confirm that that is accurate? 9 Design 2 is the family's preference for the Mr. Friedlander, can you MR. FRIEDLANDER: 10 "Anwar MS. STAFFORD: Confirmed, yes. Thank you. Thank you. Again just for the 11 Committee's reference reverse 2 is the Sadat's family 12 preference for the reverse of this medal. 13 MR. FRIEDLANDER: I even have a statement that 14 I could read that the Committee would like to hear, 15 it's a brief statement from -- 16 Mr. URAM: 17 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 18 MS. STAFFORD: 19 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 20 MS. STAFFORD: 21 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 22 sorry. Please We will -- Mr. Friedlander -We will -- I'm sorry, Mr. Friedlander --- the Sadat family -- oh, I apologize. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 19 1 MS. STAFFORD: I believe our Chairman has 2 requested to hear that information, but at the end of 3 the reverse portfolio. 4 MR. URAM: 5 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 6 MR. URAM: 7 Yes, that way the -Sure, sure. -- Committee will understand. I think it would be better. 8 MS. STAFFORD: Okay. Thank you. Reverse 3 9 showcases an olive branch and the quote "When the bells 10 of peace ring, there will be no hands to beat the drums 11 of war". 12 1918 through 1981 and Act of Congress 2018. Additional inscriptions are Anwar El Sadat, Reverse 4 portrays an olive branch atop the 13 14 quote "Any life lost in wars is a human life, 15 irrespective of its being that of an Israeli or an 16 Arab". 17 and died for principals" and Act of Congress 2018. 18 Additional inscriptions are "He lived for peace Reverse 5, centrally features an olive branch 19 with the left half incused into the design and the 20 inscription around the border "When the bells of peace 21 ring, there will be no hands to beat the drums of war". 22 Additional inscriptions include "1918 through 1981" and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 20 1 "Act of Congress 2018". 2 Reverse 6, emphasizes a quote from President 3 Anwar El Sadat, which reads "Any life lost in war is a 4 human life, irrespective of its being that of an 5 Israeli or an Arab". 6 The Great Pyramids of Giza. 7 inscription, "Act of Congress 2018", is incused at the 8 bottom of the design. Beneath the quote is an image of The additional Reverse 7, depicts a different perspective of 9 10 the pyramid form seen in design, obverse 5. 11 incused on its surface reads, "Any life lost in war is 12 a human life, irrespective of its being that of an 13 Israeli or an Arab". 14 of Congress 2018", is at the bottom. The quote The additional inscription, "Act Reverse 8, features the great pyramids of Giza 15 16 framed by a date palm tree. 17 inscription "Any life lost in war is a human life, 18 irrespective of its being that of an Israeli or an 19 Arab". 20 Below the pyramids is the Reverse 9, depicts a different view of The 21 Great Pyramids of Giza with the inscription "Any life 22 lost in war is a human life, irrespective of its being www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 21 1 that of an Israeli or an Arab". 2 included in the right side of the design. The date palm tree is Reverse 10, also centrally features the quote 3 4 "Any life lost in war is a human life, irrespective of 5 its being that of an Israeli or an Arab". 6 the inscription are The Great Pyramids of Giza, a dove 7 with an olive branch and stylized Egyptian papyrus 8 plants. 9 2018" is arced across the bottom. 10 Surrounding The additional inscription "Act of Congress Reverse 11, features the same quote from 11 reverse 10, flanked by a four columns in the style of 12 those found at the Temple of Karnak along with the sun 13 symbol, a dove holding an olive branch and stylized 14 Egyptian papyrus plants. 15 around the border read "He lived for peace and died for 16 principals" and "Act of Congress 2018". 17 Additional inscriptions Reverse 12, depicts a shen ring, an ancient 18 Egyptian symbol composed of a loop of rope with no 19 beginning and no end. 20 quote "When the bells of peace ring, there will be no 21 hands to beat the drums of war". 22 Anwar El Sadat's name written in Arabic. Inscribed inside the ring is the Below the quote is, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 The Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 22 1 additional inscription is, "Act of Congress 2018". 2 And finally, reverse 13, depicts an ankh, an 3 Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol used to represent the word 4 "Life". 5 branches to symbolize peace. 6 is the quote "Any life lost in war is a human life, 7 irrespective of its being that of an Israeli or an 8 Arab". 9 name written in Arabic in addition to his birth and 10 Flanking the ankh on either side are olive Inscribed along the top At the base of the ankh is Anwar El Sadat's death years "1918 and 1981". 11 That concludes the reverse portfolio. And I 12 would ask, Mr. Friedlander to please share the comments 13 from the Sadat family. MR. FRIEDLANDER: 14 Thank you very much. And 15 I'd also thank the design team for creating all these 16 options for the family and for the Committee to review. 17 We -- here I'm reading from Sadat's family, "We all, as 18 the Sadat's family, can relate to the resemblance and 19 the design chose for the front and it touched every one 20 of us. 21 lived here every day. 22 foreign, will visit my father's tomb see and recall. The design on the back is the reality that he This is what visitors, local and www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 23 1 The simplicity of the writings, both front and back, is 2 what we as a family believe would be his choice. 3 totally convinced by both the front and back, exactly 4 as they are presented in AS-03, obverse 3 and AS 5 reverse 02. 6 appreciate your efforts in that matter. 7 Gamal El Sadat, who is the son of Anwar El Sadat". 8 Thank you. 9 We're Thank you for understanding and we deeply MR. UMAR: All the best, Thank you, Mr. Friedlander. And 10 April, thank you for the report. 11 it's extremely grateful and I want to also congratulate 12 the family for this honor as well, because I think it's 13 well deserved and thank you for that letter from the 14 family as well. 15 And, Mr. Friedlander, As far as the Committee goes, I'd like to open 16 this to the Committee and just say that we have a 17 tradition pretty much as it relates to Congressional 18 Gold Medal recipients. 19 concerns and thoughts and designs that the person being 20 representative and the family would like to see on 21 their Congressional Gold Model. 22 very, very nice designs here, particularly when Joe That we value highly the I think there are some www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 24 1 said regarding the incused number four and number 2 seven. 3 - opportunities, but it's really not -- shall I say 4 that -- even though we might like that, I think the 5 wishes and the honors of the family supersede in many 6 ways the other nice designs that are here. 7 congratulations to the artist who did these designs and 8 made them available for the family to make it a 9 selection. I think there could be some wonderful designs - So So I'm fine with going through the 10 Committee and asking you to review the designs or, if 11 you would like to accept the requested preferences of 12 03 obverse and 02 reverse, I'm fine with that, whatever 13 the Committee would like to do. 14 MR. SCARINCI: 15 MR. URAM: 16 MR. SCARINCI: 17 MR. URAM: 18 MR. SCARINCI: Tom? Yes. This is, Donald. Yes. This is, Donald. 19 but, I just can't let 4 go. 20 beautiful. 21 MR. URAM: 22 MR. SCARINCI: I'm sorry, It's beautiful. 4 is No question. And maybe -- if maybe we could www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 25 1 somehow communicate to the family, because I think, if 2 they could see 4, I think they would agree. 3 a stunning -- it's just a stunning obverse, and it's a 4 real tribute. 5 - I think it would be a shame to pass it up. 6 I -- again, while I'd love to differ to the family and 7 certainly on the reverse absolutely, I think we -- I 8 think we would be remised, if we didn't ask them to 9 take a second look at obverse 4 and see what we see 10 11 12 13 It's just And I think it will be a shame to pass And while there. MR. URAM: That will be fine. As a matter of fact, April, would like to follow-up? MS. STAFFORD: Well since, Mr. Scarinci 14 brought it up, obviously there is a relationship 15 between obverse 3 and obverse 4, that's submitted by 16 the same artist. 17 And obverse 4 was developed with the intention 18 that the portrait would be sculpted in the manner of 19 ancient Egyptian relief with the figure inset into the 20 surface of the medal and its features sculpted flush 21 with the medal's surface. 22 I would ask, Mr. Friedlander -- I know www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 26 1 initially the documentation we have was the Sadat 2 family submitted or articulated a preference for 3 obverse 4 initially, but I understand that it may have 4 subsequently changed. 5 to talk about maybe how they moved off of design 4 and 6 why they identified 3? 7 be very satisfied with either, would you like to speak 8 to that? Mr. Friedlander would you like Or, if you feel that they might MR. FRIEDLANDER: 9 I'm just the glorified 10 messenger here, and I defer it to them as well. 11 cannot -- I don't know the reason that they selected 12 originally 4. 13 that, but it's just possible that we just go back and 14 forth on number of times. 15 objection to asking them with pleasure. 16 So I And I don't actually remember saying MS. LANNIN: So I can -- I have no Mr. Friedlander this is, Mary 17 Lannin. 18 with what Donald Scarinci said. 19 we have an opportunity not only to honor Anwar El 20 Sadat, but to honor an ancient Egyptian artistic 21 tradition, which would really hold the medal together. 22 I think it will be stunning. I just want to say that I completely agree I think with number 4, I know the hands of Joe www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 27 1 Menna and the crew in Philadelphia. This could turn 2 out to be one of the most beautiful Congressional medal 3 we ever done. 4 that number 4 would certainly be my choice and Donald's 5 and I'll open it back up to anybody else that would 6 like to comment on that. And I really would urge you to consider 7 MR. UMAR: Mary, thank you. 8 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 9 MR. UMAR: I think that -- Fair. You know, I agree. When I heard 10 that it was going to be in incused in the tradition, I 11 think that that's why this is very good discussion. 12 But why don't we go around that and have every one -- 13 go -- hold on one second. 14 MR. WEINMAN: Before we do this -- this is, 15 Greg Weinman. 16 clarification, because I think it's important the 17 record reflects what we have on record as being the 18 preference from the family. 19 Stafford for the record to read an e-mail that 20 apparently we have received directly from the family. 21 22 Just -- this is a point of MS. STAFFORD: And so I would ask April Okay. And actually this e-mail came from -- and Mr. Friedlander, forgive me if I'm www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 28 1 mispronouncing the name is it, Gamal. 2 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 3 MS. STAFFORD: Gamal -- Gamal, yes. Gamal -- from Gamal A. El Sadat 4 and this was forwarded to us from, Mr. Friedlander. 5 And I should read the entire e-mail. 6 mother and I reviewed very carefully all what you sent. 7 This is our choice for the front and back of the medal. 8 I am outside of Cairo at this time. 9 to call you -- me to call you, I'll do so. Dear Ezra, My If you still want Thanks and 10 best regards, Gamal A. El Sadat. 11 obverse 4, which is the design that the Committee 12 members are speaking to. And attached we have 13 MR. URAM: 14 MS. LANNIN: 15 MS. STAFFORD: The date of e-mail is April 16 Thank you, April. What is the date of that? 24th. 17 MR. URAM: 18 MR. JANSEN: Erik. Got it. So maybe in a subsequent 19 e-mail he may have perhaps overlooked or he may 20 erroneously referred to the wrong one. 21 actually picked 4, so maybe we went into those design 22 providence. Maybe he www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 29 1 MR. URAM: 2 MR. JANSEN: 3 MR. URAM: There you go. There you go. Thank you. We've some other comments from the 4 members, so I can go -- why don't I go round and then 5 maybe we have -- everyone has an opportunity to speak. 6 Sam I'll start with you. 7 MR. GIL: Okay. Well, first of all, I also 8 differ to the family for whatever they want. 9 like the idea of going back to them and suggesting that I also 10 they have another look at 04. 11 beautiful, beautiful relief. 12 an interest in this. 13 Cairo and I was there on Lafayette Square in 1979 when 14 that accord was signed. 15 medal in general and I think it's well, well deserved. 16 And to Mary's point, it could be one of the most 17 beautiful ones that Menna has ever produced. 18 differ to family, but I'm happy, if they would take 19 another look at 4. But it's a beautiful, I personally have kind of I've visited that memorial in So I love the idea of this 20 MR. URAM: Thank you, Sam. 21 MR. HOGE: Thank you, Mr. Chair. 22 with what Sam has said. So I Robert? I concur I do have a couple of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 30 1 observations or maybe questions, though, I'd like to 2 address to Mr. Friedlander. 3 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 4 MR. HOGE: Sure. So Anwar Sadat, the name. The 5 letter "E" does not really exist in Arabic. 6 literation we see it -- since the name given here is 7 Anwar El Sadat. 8 is normally rendered as Al, "Al". 9 even pronounced in the correct Arabic pronunciation. It is as I know in the scholarly manner the El But the "El" is not 10 understand this would be Anwar Al Sadat. 11 wondering is there any particular preference as to the 12 way his name is rendered, Anwar El Sadat, Anwar Al 13 Sadat or just Anwar Sadat. 14 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 15 out to the family for clarification. 16 in the legislation itself that's the way it's spelled 17 and we clearly clarified it with the government of 18 Egypt, but even more importantly with the family to 19 make sure that this is the way he wanted it spelled. 20 And I'm not a scholar, I couldn't comment on how 21 historically. 22 -- at least it can't U.S. when they reported to So I'm just Anwar El Sadat. We reached And I think even But I do believe that they pronounce it www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 31 1 President Sadat, I think President El Sadat. 2 MR. HOGE: Yes. I realize that, but in terms 3 of technical Arabic transliteration it will be "Al 4 Sadat". 5 MR. FRIEDLANDER: Yes, yes, I hear that. I 6 think, again, with even with today's President they 7 call "al-Sisi" (ph), but in America this is el-Sisi. 8 And it's that in English they put it as "El". 9 yes, I was in the Middle East several months ago and 10 even in Israel, I realized that they said it as "al- 11 Sisi". 12 But now that you raising this, I guess, the more 13 correct historical pronunciation is the "Al" without 14 the "L", but here for some reason that's the way they 15 go. 16 But, So wondered to myself, why do they do that. That's the way they -MR. HOGE: In Arabic letters, "S" being one of 17 them, have an illusion with the "L" before -- so the 18 "L" is not pronounced, letter "R" is same way. 19 wouldn't have L Rasheed (ph), it would R Rasheed (ph). 20 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 21 MR. HOGE: 22 You Got it. I believe that family wants -- prefers it to be. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 32 1 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 2 MR. WEINMAN: 3 MR. URAM: 4 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 5 MR. WEINMAN: Yes. Mr. Chairman? Yes. Yes. Absolutely. This is once again Greg Weinman. 6 We -- Robert, we had the same query at the beginning of 7 this program and we asked that question specifically to 8 the family. 9 Friedlander reported that they wanted the inscriptions And what came back is what, Mr. 10 to read Anwar El Sadat, "El". 11 MR. UMAR: 12 13 14 Robert. Thank you, Greg. Thank you, Any additional comments, Robert? MR. HOGE: No, that's it. I'm in accordance with what the -- having being said so far. 15 MR. URAM: 16 MR. JANSEN: Okay. Yes. Thank you. Erik? I would thank, Donald for 17 raising this so directly in early on, because I think 18 it's quite fortunate that the alignment here between 19 what it appears in the artistic content with the 20 family's preferences come in line. 21 the Committee's responsibility to highlight the 22 artistic elements as well as trying to respect the I think it's always www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 33 1 preferences of the family and folks involved. 2 think there's a tradition. 3 and you want to respect that. 4 position with -- I take an argument with there being a 5 tradition. 6 always try to respect that. 7 think the incused approach is a brilliant approach to 8 capture it well and capture it in well within the 9 history of Egypt that goes way back. I don't I think there is a tendency And so, Tom, I take I don't think there's a tradition that we I do like design 4. I I like design 4, 10 that's why I'm going to support it extremely, and I 11 appreciate the time. 12 MR. URAM: Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Erik. And, you know, 13 that's why I mentioned in my opening remarks that 4 and 14 7 were outstanding based on the possibility of the 15 artistic part of it as well. 16 MR. WEINMAN: Greg, please. Yes, just one more -- I 17 apologize, one more clarification would be something 18 we'll find in the e-mail. 19 from Gamal A. El Sadat who wrote, "Dear Ezra, this is 20 the way my father wrote his name. 21 would like it to be the same Anwar El Sadat". 22 MR. URAM: Once again we have an e-mail So, we as a family Thank you, Greg. Dr. Kotlowski. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 34 1 DR. KOTLOWSKI: Okay. My personal preference 2 was for number 7. 3 differ to the family -- I'm assuming that -- again, 4 that there's no miscue in that they prefer 3 and I'm 5 also willing to differ to my colleagues, Mr. Chairman 6 that they take a second look at number 4. 7 there's any interest in taking a third look, I think 8 number 7, in terms of the artistic design and a 9 historical significance is very, very important. Although, I'm certainly going to But if And 10 I'm going to leave it there. 11 that I've always admired and respected Anwar El Sadat 12 as many of you have noted or will note. 13 teaching of both U.S. history and world civilizations 14 here I give special attention to the Camp David 15 Accords. 16 Carter that PBS did about 20 years ago. 17 of all the details here, but it get really gets home as 18 to what he did. 19 number 3, getting back to this point, I could see why, 20 because it emphasizes that he was President of the Arab 21 Republican of Egypt. 22 who made peace with another specific nation state. I'm just going to say And in my And there is a wonderful documentary on Jimmy I'll spare you And if the family's preferences for And that he was a national leader www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 35 1 I can certainly see that. 2 3 MR. UMAR: Thank you. Thank you, Doctor. Mary, any additional thoughts? 4 MS. LANNIN: No. No additional thoughts. I 5 think that the pairing of number 4 with what Donald 6 just said in the pairing of what the family has 7 indicated, their reverse preference would be -- would 8 really make a lovely medal. 9 MR. UMAR: 10 MR. MORAN: Thank you. Thank you, Mary. Tom, thank you. Sir, Michael? I really like -- 11 the motion is in order here that the Committee strongly 12 urges family to review their choice and consider number 13 4 in view of the numismatics significance of the 14 incused relief. 15 then so be it. 16 to reconsider 4, but in the end, I'm with (ph) whatever 17 their choice is on the obverse and I'm fine with the 18 reverse. But, if they want to go with number 3, And that's really where I am. 19 MR. URAM: 20 MS. SALMON: Okay. Michael. Asking Thank you. Robin. Number 4 was my choice originally 21 for the observe. I think it's strong, beautiful design 22 and it's so important to include the artistic heritage www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 36 1 of Egypt in this design. 2 reverse of number 2 and think that pairing will make a 3 lovely medal (inaudible). 4 5 MR. URAM: I also would agree with Thank you, Robin. Donald, any additional thoughts? 6 MR. SCARINCI: No. I think all I can do is 7 urge -- urge number 4 and I'm going to vote for number 8 4. 9 do. I believe in it. I think it's the right thing to I think it's a powerful image. I think the words 10 -- I think "President, Arab Republic of Egypt" is just 11 -- honestly, it's just small. 12 not the whole picture. 13 was. 14 ways he was a symbol and is a symbol -- "is", not was, 15 "is". 16 - I think the medal evokes that and creates that he is 17 a symbol for peace and that he is a symbol for hope and 18 that he is a symbol for what could be. 19 that -- any words that limits that should be 20 eliminated. 21 Egypt" diminishes it. 22 mean, when you look at this a 100 years from now, he is It's limiting and it's It's really not just who he He was much bigger than that. And in so many And, I think a medal -- I think a medal evokes - And anything And I think, "President, Arab Republic of So -- and I think history -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 37 1 Anwar Sadat and he is much bigger than President, Arab 2 Republic of Egypt -- much bigger. 3 -- if we had to go with number 3, I would eliminate 4 "President, Arab Republican of Egypt". 5 it. 6 MR. UMAR: 7 MS. SOLLMAN: So I would eliminate I'll eliminate Thank you, Donald. Jeanne? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 8 have to agree with my colleague very much. 9 like number 4. I just I am -- I I think it's very powerful. I -- 10 however, I do like the thought in number 7 and I know 11 that probably -- that's nothing to do with it, but just 12 number 4 -- the image of -- the portrait of Anwar El 13 Sadat is very powerful. 14 number 7 -- the fact that there is a little bit more 15 space around his forehead. 16 space and I don't know, if we can move that around or 17 help that out. 18 bothersome to me. 19 itself, I think, is very fine. 20 4. 21 wouldn't -- I would not take President of the Arab 22 Republic out of that number 3, because I think it gives I kept -- I would like in He has a little bit more But, the lettering is a little But the medal or the portrait And I'll support number I think I agree with very much Donald's, although I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 38 1 this balance and now that number 3 is chosen I do 2 believe it should stay there. Thank you. 3 MR UMAR: Thank you, Jeanne. 4 MR. TUCKER: Dennis? Thank you, Mr. Chair. I want to 5 echo the Committee's thoughts. 6 Friedlander and also the El Sadat family for sharing 7 their thoughts. 8 Gold Medals are national medals of a personal nature. 9 So we naturally respect the recipients preferences when 10 we have them, but we also have an opportunity to review 11 these medals in the broader context in all of the 12 official American medal of honor (ph) and American 13 numismatics in general. 14 Committee's general praise of the concept of sunken 15 relief. 16 Lyon Pratt's early 1900 gold coin designs, which had an 17 Indian head in sunken relief. 18 has ever been done in the Congressional Gold Medal 19 series -- the style of using sunken relief to portray a 20 portrait. 21 distinguish an already distinguished medal within the 22 broad context. Thanks to, Mr. My observations are that Congressional And I will also echo the The precedent in American gold coinage is Bela And I don't believe this So this is a great opportunity to My understanding from what -- from the www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 39 1 e-mail that was read from April is that obverse 4 2 actually is the family's preference, but question that 3 I want to ask Joseph Menna is could obverse 3 not also 4 be sculpted in sunken relief that portrays the way 5 Pratt did with the gold coins of 1908. 6 what the artist had in mind for number 3, but I see no 7 reason why it couldn't be. MR. MENNA: 8 9 This is, Joe. It might not be I mean, I can't speak to the artistic intent of the coin or the medal 10 rather. 11 that portrait you would also probably you should 12 incused the letter instead of having a deposit that are 13 shown here, just because that I think you may have just 14 a little bit too much going on in terms of relief. 15 that would be my observation. 16 By just looking at it, if you were to think MR. TUCKER: 17 Tom or April? 18 preference? 19 So Can I have clarification, Greg or Is number 4, in fact, the family's MR. WEINMAN: We can clarify is that we in 20 fact have an e-mail from the family saying it is number 21 4, but we will -- I think we will take the lead to 22 clarify after this -- after the meeting. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 40 1 MR. TUCKER: Fine. 2 MR. WEINMAN: And maybe Committee's 3 recommendation could possibly be based on that 4 classification. 5 a motion theoretically that said that the family -- the 6 CCAC endorses what they presumed to be the family 7 recommendation number 4. Well, I would -- maybe there could be 8 MR. UMAR: 9 MR. TUCKER: 10 MR. UMAR: Okay. Greg -Dennis -- hold on, hold on, Dennis. 11 Well, I would like to give Dennis a rendition. 12 is that -- Dennis? 13 MR. TUCKER: Yes. Sorry. Dennis I was just saying 14 that it's a strong portrait either way. 15 itself is very similar in 3 and 4 and -- the artist 16 needs to be commended for that. 17 18 MR. UMAR: Thank you. I heard -- go ahead. 19 MR. MORAN: 20 MR. UMAR: 21 MR. MORAN: 22 Okay, Dennis. The portrait It's, Mike. Okay. I've got a question for, Greg. Greg given your suggestions that course of action here, www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 41 1 I assume that you will have the same time to convey the 2 Committee's sentiment about the incused relief. 3 doubt that -- I certainly would not expect them to 4 understand some of the incused -- like nuances here 5 that are involved. 6 it's done by the same artist it's somewhat the same 7 design. 8 your discussion or in e-mail that we might get a more 9 satisfactory -- or we might get what we want, which is 10 I At the same time I feel like since I think, if you were to capture in that way in number 4. 11 MR. WEINMAN: 12 MR. MORAN: Yes. On the other hand, I don't want -- 13 probably, yes, number three -- if 3 is what they want 14 then they get it. 15 MR. WEINMAN: Well, kind of like several 16 comments in that. 17 conveyed to the family with the portfolio, but this is 18 a public meeting. 19 your minutes from this meeting that strongly convey the 20 Committee's feelings, and that's what the motion is. 21 You'll have the secretary's letter, which we will 22 share, which can strongly convey the Committee's First, that information was in fact This is a public record, you'll have www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 42 1 feelings, if that's where the motion goes. 2 looking at April across table here, who I know would 3 work with her staff to convey the Committee's feelings, 4 so -- when they clarify with family. 5 MR. URAM: 6 MS. STAFFORD: 7 And we -- Thank you very -Yes. And of course, we'll work through this with Friedlander on that. 8 MR. MORAN: 9 MR. URAM: A follow up -- follow up on that. Yes, and April just mentioned that 10 they would follow up with Mr. Friedlander as well. 11 ahead, Mike. 12 MR. MORAN: Go I think given the vagaries of how 13 this process works, we all know how it works here. 14 They want number 3 there -- they have to get number 3. 15 On the other hand, if we want to stand our ground we 16 all need to vote for number 4, because it will give 17 Greg a little more leverage in terms of discussing 18 this. 19 MR. URAM: 20 MR. MORAN: 21 MR. URAM: 22 Yes. I am -- -- politics. Right. I am -- when I first looked at the portfolio, number 4 and number 7 were the ones www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 43 1 that jumped out on me simply because -- and Donald, 2 thank you for diving right into it, because there does 3 seem to be a little confusion on it. 4 enough wording on the reverse, and what I really liked 5 about 4 is it the chin is up, the eyes are looking 6 forward. 7 portrait, the way I at least remember seeing him on 8 television at the time. 9 taking a vote via -- I don't know -- our polling, I I did -- we have It's just such a shining example of his So rather than voting and 10 think --and listening to everyone's comments, it's the 11 Chair's decision that I think we should just entertain 12 a motion. 13 were saying there to endorse number 4 with the 14 stipulation that if it is finally determined that 3 was 15 really their preference, then we would differ. 16 that we as a Committee strongly urge and recommend 17 number 4. 18 roll call again if everyone would like to do that just 19 to make sure you're accounted. 20 MR. MORAN: 21 MR. URAM: 22 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: And Mike, if you would like to do what you But And we can go around the room regarding a So moved. I need a second. Need a second. Second. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 44 1 MR. URAM: 2 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 3 MR. URAM: Need a second. Jeanne, second. Thank you, Jeanne. All those in 4 favor of the motion to establish number 4 as our 5 preference and obverse -- I'm sorry, reverse number 2 6 in conjunction with them signify by saying aye. 7 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 8 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 9 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 10 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 11 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 12 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 13 MR. URAM: Opposed? Motion carries. 14 you everyone for that discussion. 15 MR. STAFFORD: 16 Thank It was wonderful. And thank you, Mr. Friedlander for joining us. 17 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 18 MR. HOGE: Thank you. This is Rob. I'd like to make one 19 observation -- actually maybe a question. 20 appropriate to have the recipient's name written on 21 both sides of these medals? 22 MR. URAM: Is it That's Robert speaking. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 45 1 2 MR. HOGE: Yes, it's Robert. The Anwar El Sadat is mentioned on both obverse and reverse. 3 MR. URAM: That's a good point. 4 MR. HOGE: Is that normally done on 5 Congressional medal? But I don't recall seeing it? MR. WEINMAN: 6 It's not normally done. There's 7 certainly no statutory provision on it, but it is a -- 8 it is something worth bringing up at meeting. 9 might be worthy of a Committee recommendation. 10 MR. URAM: That And of course, it would have been 11 on number 3 as well, so you'd have pairing for almost 12 any of these would have been that way. 13 Robert. 14 So thank you, Would you like to further discuss that? MS. LANNIN: This is Mary. This is Mary. I'd 15 like to make a motion. 16 as the obverse. 17 with the modification of removing "Anwar El Sadat" from 18 the diagonal line and just putting his date of birth 19 and death -- years (ph) of birth and death. 20 21 22 I move that we accept number 4 And we accept number 2 as its reverse MR. URAM: We have a motion moved forward by Mary to make such a changes, is there a second? MR. HOGE: I second. That's Robert. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 46 1 2 MR. URAM: Robert seconds. All those in favor signify as saying I. 3 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 4 MR. URAM: 5 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I. 6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I oppose. 7 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I oppose. 8 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I -- 9 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This is Don Scarinci 10 I Opposed? (ph). 11 MR. URAM: Let's -- 12 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 13 MR. URAM: 14 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 15 MR. URAM: I do too. Let's do a roll call on that. What's the motion? Mary, go ahead. And what would you 16 like to do further discussion before we do -- we can do 17 a little bit more discussion. 18 on this, Mary. 19 MS. LANNIN: Let's seek clarification well, no, I just thought if the 20 double name was a problem, we could just remove the 21 name on the reverse and slide that birth year and death 22 year further down the pyramid for balance. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 47 1 MR. MORAN: 2 MR. URAM: 3 MR. MORAN: Tom, this is Mike. Yes, Mike. I have a different suggestion. 4 His signature in Arabic, it appears on several 5 reverses, why not substitute that for the English? MR. LANNIN: 6 7 Very good, Mike. good. 8 MR. URAM: 9 MR. LANNIN: Very good, Mike. 10 MR. TUCKER: This is Dennis. 11 That's very That's very good. And I Can weigh in as well? 12 MR. URAM: 13 MR. TUCKER: Sure, Dennis. Go ahead. There is plenty of precedent for 14 having the recipient's name repeated. 15 name is on the obverse and reverse of her medal. 16 Jackie Robinson is on the obverse and reverse of his 17 medal. 18 even certainly no rule against having a name appear 19 twice. 20 to honor the President. There -- I don't think there's any tradition, And this is a personal medal that is intended 21 22 Dorothy Height's MR. LANNIN: So I'd say that as is -Well, I like to -- really like Mike's -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 48 1 MR. URAM: -- putting in there. I think so 2 too. So it would still be on there twice, but it would 3 just reflect the other -- I think it's a great idea. 4 MR. LANNIN: 5 MR. URAM: 6 MR. KOTLOWSKI: That is part of their culture. Sure. Any other thoughts? I just wonder -- I think it's 7 a great idea and I do want to go along with it. 8 wonder we're making some suggestions to the family 9 about the obverse, and do we want to make -- I don't 10 know how strongly they would feel about that. 11 MR. URAM: 12 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 13 I just And this is Dr. Kotlowski. Can I -- may I interject you? 14 MR. URAM: 15 MS. FRANCK: 16 MR. URAM: 17 MS. FRANCK: 18 MS. STAFFORD: 19 MR. FRIEDLANDER: 20 to it. 21 anything. 22 demands. Sure. Who is in? Sure. Mr. Friedlander. Friedlander. But I don't if I'm allowed I don't think the family would object to I think is that -- this is what many of them So I think they would go along with that. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 49 1 And the management's confusion even between the 2 families because the first e-mail they selected 4 and 3 then they selected 2. 4 likely that this -- that number 4, which is what the 5 Committee seems to be going with -- it was their 6 original choice. 7 it they were away, so Mr. Sadat was travelling (ph) all 8 the time. 9 go along with anything the Committee selects. So it may be possible and very And then when I asked them to confirm I think that the family is very amenable to The only 10 thing I would like to point out is in fact with obverse 11 4, perhaps we should then have a -- the Arab -- 12 "President, Arab Republic of Egypt" as well under the 13 signature or under his name. 14 don't see any -- why they wouldn't go with anything 15 that the Committee just decides on. 16 MR. URAM: But other than that, I Thank you, Mr. Friedlander. Okay. 17 Dennis, thank you. 18 the having it incused and then having Arabic on the 19 reverse is really, really exciting. 20 think it's something they will be really proud of. 21 did -- do we have a motion now to -- I believe Mary has 22 made a motion, and then Mike has kind of modified it to And Mike, I think that's -- between I think it -- I www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 50 1 some degree. Would you guys like to continue on with 2 that motion? So we'll vote on that. 3 vote Mary's motion that -- well, take Mary, why don't 4 you say that -- why don't you say it that way. 5 6 MR. MORAN: We're going to Yes, I want Mary amend a motion to -- 7 MS. LANNIN: Okay. I would like to amend the 8 motion that we -- the Committee select obverse number 9 4, which appears to be the initial first choice of the 10 Sadat family and pair it with reverse number 2 removing 11 the English name "Anwar El Sadat" and replacing that 12 name written in Arabic along with the birth year and 13 the death year per my suggestion. MR. URAM: 14 Now Mr. Friedlander also mentioned 15 about President, Arab Republic underneath the name 16 there, would you be able to get -- 17 MS. LANNIN: 18 MR. MORAN: 19 MR. URAM: 20 21 22 it. No, I might -- my That throws the balance. Too much -- too much. Okay. Got Okay, just want to clarify for the record. MR. JANSEN: I'm confused about where -- which side you're replacing the name with what. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Can Mary Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 51 1 just mention that? 2 MS. LANNIN: 3 MR. URAM: 4 MR. JANSEN: The reverse. Reverse 2. Reverse 2. So you're going to replace the 5 English "Anwar El Sadat" with the Arabic signature 6 there? 7 MR. URAM: 8 MR. MORAN: 9 MR. JANSEN: 10 Correct. Yes. Well, not visually clear or pleasing to me at all, but -- so the motion goes. 11 MR. URAM: Okay, Erik. Thank you. So we have 12 a motion on the floor and we have a second by Mr. 13 Moran. 14 signify saying aye. I'd like to take a vote, all those in favor 15 MR. MORAN: 16 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 17 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 18 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 19 MR. URAM: 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 21 MR. URAM: 22 I. Opposed? Okay. Opposed -- Motion carries. opposed? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Any other Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 52 1 2 MR. TUCKER: I will abstain from this. is Dennis. 3 MR. URAM: 4 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 5 MR. URAM: 6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 7 Dennis abstain. Jeanne, I also abstain. Jeanne is abstaining. Now, tell me what you can do -- 8 9 This MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: No -- okay. It's a motion that's passed -- I guess, it's a done deal. But 10 can we -- is it possible to amend that motion -- that 11 motion? 12 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 13 MR. URAM: 14 15 I can do a new motion. Yes, exactly, that we would do a new motion. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: I mean, we just maybe 16 should consider -- if we could consider taking the name 17 off from the reverse and instead putting President of 18 the Arab Republic of Egypt there on the outline, would 19 that make -- would that help the situation? 20 MR. URAM: 21 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 22 Any other comments? Erik, you're the one that seemed most opposed to the Arabic, which I -- www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 53 1 MR. JANSEN: Well, I tried to visualize that, 2 and quite frankly, from an artistic perspective a line 3 moving from Southwest to the Northeast of the memorial 4 is attached along that line, that line is just 5 disrupted by the non-linearity of the Arabic signature. 6 And so it's a visual -- it's a -- visually, it's not 7 clear to me that that is a pleasant appearance. MR. SCARINCI: 8 9 don't mind, everyone? Can I make a suggestion if you I think we're -- I think making 10 it a little too complicated for the family. 11 going to go back to the family and we're really asking 12 them to -- what we really want to communicate to them 13 is we feel passionately that they should go along with 14 number 4. 15 very complex and while we all understand it, and while 16 we know what we're talking about, it's not going to 17 sound very clear to them. 18 muddled. 19 they may very well say, "You know what, that both is 20 confusing, let's just go with what we originally said, 21 number 3. 22 going to do, period". This is But now we're going to communicate something It's going to sound a little And I think we're going to get lost. That's what we want. And That's what we're www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 54 1 I think we're making it too confusing. I 2 think, I understand what you all trying to do. 3 what we really -- we're not really dealing with the 4 secretary here, we're dealing with the family. 5 really want to try to do is get them to go with number 6 4. And we So I think -UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 7 8 But Donald. I agree, I agree with I -- 9 MR. URAM: 10 MR. TUCKER: 11 MR. URAM: And one other thing at -This is Dennis. Well, before -- Dennis, one second. 12 Before, I just want to mention -- and I hate to rain on 13 Mike's parade here and Mary, because it would look 14 beautiful. 15 showed me what it looks like in Arabic and it would not 16 fit on a line like that. 17 we have "In God We Trust", it's going to be on the 18 field which is going to distract from this whole -- 19 it's going to redo it. 20 right. 21 22 However, we just looked at -- Greg just MR. MORAN: retract the motion. It would have to be like how So Erik, I -- you're absolutely I got a suggestion, Tom. Let's And let the discussion speak for www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 55 1 itself as to where we talk to our issues and demand. 2 I'll work on with the final design and move on. MR. URAM: 3 Okay. Thank you, Mike. And Mary 4 would you like to retract that, because I did look at 5 it in the Arabic spelling, it just going to mess the 6 field up to be honest with you. 7 MR. HOGE: 8 MS. LANNIN: 9 MR. HOGE: Yes, just a moment. I'll retract it. This is Robert. I was just 10 wondering if you were talking in terms of his name as 11 his handwriting or as his name is written on the 12 reverses number 12 or 13 for instance. 13 MR. URAM: It's going to be -- it's going to 15 MR. HOGE: Reverses -- 16 MR. URAM: 13. 17 MS. FRANCK: 14 be -- This is the reverse. Greg was 18 showing you what's on the obverse which is the 19 signature. 20 21 22 MR. URAM: written. Yes, signature versus what is Exactly. MR. HOGE: I think if we put that, it would be www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 56 1 very linear. 2 3 4 That would probably fit more -- MR. URAM: that. Yes, that would work, if we went to Erik, would you be all right with that thought? MR. JANSEN: Again, visually if you were to go 5 with the linear Arabic as opposed to an as written, I 6 don't have a visual problem with that. 7 MR. URAM: Okay. So Mary, we're back. Mary 8 and Mike, I'm back to you guys to wrap this up because 9 I think we need to come to a conclusion. 10 MS. LANNIN: 11 MR. MORAN: 12 (Cross talk) 2.0. And now you know why artistic design by Committee is not a good idea. 13 MR. URAM: 14 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 15 MR. URAM: But it was a good catch. -- retract or retracts. Let's just go with putting in the 16 word linear into the Arabic, if you'd like -- if you 17 guys could agree with that or everyone would be onboard 18 with something like that? 19 MR. TUCKER: 20 speak for a moment? 21 MR. URAM: 22 MR. TUCKER: Mr. Chair, this is Dennis. Can I Sure, sure. I really think that this is a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 57 1 solution looking for a problem. 2 the recipient's name being on medal's choice. 3 it works the way it is now. 4 tinker with the designer's vision here. 5 that that this is not called for, and we should just 6 leave it as it is. 7 MR. MORAN: 8 MR. URAM: 9 you. And we don't need to I really think Tom, this is Mike. Yes. MR. MORAN: Thank you, Dennis. Thank Tom, let's just move on to the next medal, we're done. 12 13 I think Mike, go ahead. 10 11 We had no problem with MR. URAM: a vote. No, no. We have to vote. We have We have an open motion. 14 Mr. WEINMAN: 15 MR. URAM: Let's Mary (cross talk). And Mary, unless you withdraw the 16 motion and it stays the way it is or we take a vote on 17 the linear. 18 19 MS. LANNIN: is. A motion is stays the way that it Number 4 and number 2. 20 MR. URAM: 21 MS. LANNIN: 22 MR. WEINMAN: With no revisions? With no revision. Okay. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 58 1 MR. URAM: Okay. Then motion is dropped. 2 Thank you all very much and we'll report it 3 accordingly. 4 April? Moving right along to our next category, Thank you all very much on that. 5 REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF CANDIDATE DESIGNS FOR THE 6 STEVE GLEASON CONGRESSIONAL GOLD MEDAL 7 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you. This is public law 8 115-415, Awards of Congressional Gold Medal to Stephen 9 Michael "Steve" Gleason, honoring his mission to show 10 that patients cannot only live, but thrive after 11 diagnosis with amyotrophic sclerosis. 12 amyotrophic lateral sclerosis also known as ALS. But -- sorry, Born in Spokan, Washington, Steve Gleason 13 14 played both baseball and football at Washington State 15 University and joined the New Orleans Saints NFL team 16 in 2000. 17 his blocked punt during the first game played at the 18 Superdome in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina in 19 2006. 20 Football fans will always remember him for In early 2011, Steve Gleason was diagnosed 21 with ALS, considered a terminal neuromuscular disease. 22 Following his diagnosis, Steve Gleason founded "Team www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 59 1 Gleason", which helps provide individuals with 2 neuromuscular diseases or injuries with leading edge 3 technology, equipment and services, raises global 4 awareness about ALS to find solutions and an end to the 5 disease, and has helped hundreds of people with ALS 6 experience life adventures they never thought possible 7 after their diagnosis. 8 9 Steve Gleason helped advocate for the "Steve Gleason Act of 2015" and the "Steve Gleason Enduring 10 Voices Act of 2017", which permanently ensures that 11 people living with diseases such as ALS have access to 12 speech generating devices regardless of their setting, 13 whether at home or a healthcare institution. 14 We're fortunate to have with us Clare Durrett, 15 Associate Executive Director for Team Gleason. 16 our liaison for this program and to Steve Gleason. 17 Durrett, are you on the call and would you like to say 18 a few words to the Committee? 19 MS. DURRETT: I am. I am on the call. She is Ms. Thank 20 you so much for allowing us to be present. 21 you without question, if Steve had heard that he was 22 following Anwar Sadat, he would not want to www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I can tell Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 60 1 (inaudible). 2 man. Just a little bit -- follow such a great But I can just brief. 3 You just said a lot 4 about Steve. 5 He is known as an extraordinary athlete, as you 6 mentioned, and also a game changer. 7 earth is most impressive after being diagnosed with 8 ALS, and that's a disease with no known treatment or 9 cure to-date. He is just simply an incredible human. His footprint on Just in the last 8 years, since his 10 diagnosis, he is continuing to inspire millions of 11 people at this medical center (ph), not only people 12 with ALS or any other diseases, but his following 13 reaches over a million people. 14 robust following and very, very inspirational. And it's a really He has, as you mentioned, passed two laws 15 16 protecting people with disability, not just people with 17 ALS. 18 research efforts in history. 19 to move, breath or speak, people who want their voices 20 now have one; people who can no longer move, now have 21 access; and people who're also independent now have 22 much about returned and the guy is just getting He has also started the single largest ALS And although he is unable www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 61 1 started. 2 incredible recognition for his work. So this is just a huge honor and what an MS. STAFFORD: 3 Thank you, Ms. Durrett. We'll 4 start with the candidate designs for the obverse of 5 this medal. 6 Steve Gleason along with the inscription "Steve 7 Gleason". 8 Congress", "37", which is Steve Gleason's number when 9 he played football for the New Orleans Saints and "No The obverse designs feature portraits of Additional inscriptions include "Act of 10 White Flags", one of Gleason's mottos, representing the 11 idea of never giving up. Please note that this legislation was passed 12 13 in late 2018, but signed on January 3rd, 2019, so the 14 final selected design will read "Act of Congress 2019". 15 If you see 2018 in any of the candidate designs, that 16 will be amended. 17 So we'll cycle through the obverse candidate 18 designs. 19 candidate design 7 for the obverse, because this is 20 Steve Gleason's preferred design. 21 22 Obverse 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. I'll pause on 8, 9 and 10. Moving on to the reverse designs, all candidate designs for the reverse are emblematic of www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 62 1 Gleason's childhood in the Pacific Northwest, 2 representing a lifetime of travel and exploration. 3 Inscriptions include "Keep Exploring", an important 4 phrase throughout Gleason's life, representing both his 5 travel and his journey with ALS. 6 Never", another of Gleason's phrases, representing the 7 importance of not putting things off, and "Act of 8 Congress". "Better Now than Move through the candidate designs for the 9 10 reverse. 11 Gleason's preferred design, but he did have some 12 requested edits. 13 shifted down to show more sky and an enlarged moon. 14 would also like to see the "Act of Congress" 15 inscription removed as it is already on his preferred 16 obverse design. 17 he suggests it would -- it might be placed on an arc 18 along the bottom of the design. 19 Reverse 1, 2, 3. Reverse 3 is Steve He suggested that the design might be He And the inscription "Keep Exploring", Moving on, reverse 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. 20 Mr. Chairman that concludes the portfolio of candidate 21 designs. 22 MR. URAM: Thank you, April, once again. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 And Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 63 1 Clare, thanks for being part of our discussion this 2 morning and the thoughts that you have on the preferred 3 designs as well. 4 this point that any of members of the Committee would 5 like to address that may go into general discussion? 6 Go ahead. 7 Are there any technical questions at UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: My question, April. 8 you do the changes to 3 that Steve suggests, don't you 9 get 4 or 6? 10 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 11 MS. STAFFORD: 12 that was Ms. Jeanne Stevens-Sollman. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 14 MS. STAFFORD: 16 17 18 No, no. Just for the record, I think 13 15 If Yes it was -- Sorry -- Jeanne, would you like to comment there? MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: I don't agree with that -- but the landscape is so different. MR. URAM: Personally, I do like the idea of 19 the corrections to number 3 with the "Keep Exploring" 20 wrapped around the 7 to 4 o' clock area there, and 21 deleting -- that was good pick up and we take out the 22 "Act of Congress". That was good pick up. www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So Joe, Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 64 1 would you like to make a comment as regards to the kind 2 of like -- of what you think about this? MR. MENNA: 3 I'm right on board with Mr. 4 Gleason. 5 Arch that "Keep Exploring", get rid of AOC, drop the 6 landscape down a bit, enlarge the moon. 7 guy's got, among every others thing in his life that he 8 has to achieved, he's got an amazing artistic eye, so 9 I'll go with that. I think what he said is right on target. MR. URAM: 10 Thank you, Joe. I mean the So is there -- are 11 there any other comments being that that can be 12 achieved? 13 leave it up to the Committee once again in regards to 14 reviewing and going through all the designs or would 15 you like to make a motion to accept the Clare's and Mr. 16 Steve Gleason's obverse 7 and reverse 3 with the 17 modifications? Would you like to review the -- and I'll 18 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 19 MR. HOGE: 20 I would -- This is Robert. I would like to make that motion to accept these finds. 21 MR. SCARINCI: 22 MR. URAM: I would second it. Who would second that? www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 I didn't Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 65 1 here, was that Dean? 2 MR. WEINMAN: 3 MR. URAM: 4 MR. SCARINCI: 5 MR. URAM: 6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 7 That was Don. Okay. Donald, Donald. Okay. You don't recognize Don's voice by now, Tom? 8 9 Don, Don. MR. URAM: It was little muffled. And what can I say, we just want to make sure for the record -- 10 we got to make sure. 11 the floor to obverse 7 with the revisions to reverse 3. 12 Is there any further discussion? 13 MR. JANSEN: 14 MR. URAM: 15 MR. JANSEN: So I -- so we have a motion on Tom, this is Erik. Go ahead. There are couple of thoughts 16 here. 17 tools that are used to create some of this artwork. 18 personally feel as though design number 3, I'm fine 19 with the design, technique and so forth. 20 stone fields placed naturally there and the waves in 21 the water don't feel appropriate. 22 could be in an ocean, not in a moving or flowing river. And I think sometimes we run into this with the I There are Those are waves that www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 66 1 And I think by moving the "Keep Exploring" into an arc 2 around this, remember that's fine. 3 going to by virtue of kind of the negative space 4 effect, going to bring a lot more eye attention to the 5 water. 6 changes, we're going to have to pay attention to that 7 or going to end up looking -- it's going to end up 8 looking not like a fast moving creek, but an ocean in 9 the mountains. But I think that is And so I think when it's re-rendered with those MR. URAM: 10 Okay, Erik. Thank you. And Joe, 11 you picked up on that. 12 -- and I believe Steve Gleason's comment was that he 13 wanted to see the moon larger so that the effect would 14 be on the moon instead of the stream or the rocks and 15 so forth. 16 it from there. 17 go ahead, Jeanne. And I know moving this down and But thank you, Erik. And Joe, you can take So we have a motion on the floor to -- 18 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 19 to have the Committee look at number 10. 20 MR. URAM: 21 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 22 Tom, I just would like Reverse 10? Reverse 10. If we put "Keep Exploring" down instead of AOC, we could have a www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 67 1 moon -- I love the fact that we have an explorer or 2 hiker in the moon. 3 and I therefore -- just too thought about this. 4 really thinking outside the box. 5 designs are very nice, but they are sort of typical. It's just a very innovative design MR. JANSEN: 6 It is All of our other I'd like to back up Jeanne's 7 comments there and encourage everybody to score merit 8 according to how they feel the design. 9 well, but I -- I'm more moved to try to accommodate 10 I like 10 as family's preference. MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 11 Yes, that I agree also, 12 but I just like, you should really pay attention to 13 number 10 because it is -- what we have been asking our 14 mint artist to do is something unusual and this is that 15 addresses that. 16 MR. JANSEN: 17 MR. URAM: For sure. Jeanne and Erik, thank you had a 18 very good call on that. 19 will vote on this motion and should it pass, we'll go 20 with that. 21 regarding the merit to Greg, if you are convenient. 22 for the purpose of the design, we have the motion on So let -- what we'll do is we And then you can send your comments www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 So Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 68 1 the floor. Without further discussion, I'll take a 2 vote on that. All those in favor signify saying aye. 3 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 4 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 5 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 7 MR. URAM: Opposed? Motion carries. Thank 8 you, Clare for being part of that, and I think you're 9 going to have a wonderful representation at a 10 Congressional level for Steve Gleason. MS. DURRETT: 11 No, no doubt. And he does -- he 12 has his opinions about the medal, but he took the honor 13 that it will happen. 14 anything. MR. URAM: 15 I mean, he would be fine with Thank you. And once again, please 16 send your comments to Greg regarding the merits. 17 agree with Erik and Jeanne in regards to the comments 18 of the moon with the silhouette is very, very well 19 done. 20 participated and came up with the great designs. And thank you to all of the artists who 21 22 And I ADJOURN MR. URAM: At this time, if there's no further www.CapitalReportingCompany.com 202-857-3376 Meeting June 18, 2019 Page 69 1 business to come before the group, I will ask for a 2 motion to adjourn. 3 meeting will be on July 17th and -- 17 -- July 17. 4 With that, may I have a motion to adjourn? 5 stick around. 6 here and thank you very much for all the discussion 7 today. 8 adjourn. I remind everyone that our next I hope that everyone has a great week Once again, I'd like to have a motion to 9 MR. HOGE: So moved. 10 MR. URAM: Second. 11 MS. STEVENS-SOLLMAN: 12 MR. URAM: 13 This is Robert. Second. Jeanne, second. All those in favor signify by saying aye. 14 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 15 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 16 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Aye. 17 MR. URAM: 18 Everyone Have a great week. Thank you all very much. 19 MS. STAFFORD: Thank you, bye. 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Good bye. 21 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Thank you. 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