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Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 1 -amripggttx. DECLASSIFIED . 4 Authority _ ffiifib » * * ■? HBtras of m e e t in g of m e o t t o c o m m r m of the ^ >fVC &>EN MASKS? POLICY CONFSRMC: m hit.? ydkk - mm 29* 1935 B y J ^ ^ N A R A . Date^n ' S “ fliu juiuuwing was called to order at 11:10 a* m*» there being present Governor Harrison, chairman, Governors Young and Fancher, and Beputy Governors Hutt, M«£ay, and Barge as {secretary) and Hr, J* H* Williaaas (of the New York bask) The preliminary memorandum and the report of operations were distributed, and after discussion accepted# Governor Harrison reviewed recent open marieet operations carried on under action of the Open Market Policy Confer one o at its meeting on ipril 22, as modified .later. Governor Black entered the meeting at this point. In a discussion of future policy Governor Harrison indicated that with the return flow of currency after the July 4 holiday it seemed possible that ex cess reserves might increase to the neighborhood of $500,000,000, A situation would thus be created which would provide some justification from a technical point of view for tapering off purchases of government securities. On the other hand the psychological effect of the continuance or discontinuance of purchases needed careful consideration, particularly as they might be related to movements in the foreign exchanges or any steps which might or might not be taken toward stabilization of the dollar. The increase in prices and in business activity re quired some continued support until it became more firmly established. If the ispetus which has arisen from the instability of the dollar in foreign exchange should be removed, it might be desirable to increase purchases of government secur ities, in accordance with the suggestion made by Governor Black at the meeting on May 23* m-m 1^ll jl "' Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 There ensued a discu ssion o f the d e s ira b le p o lic y to be pursued in the current week, and at the conclusion o f th is discu ssion i t was moved and ca rried that purchases o f approxim ately $20,000,000 be made in the current week. I t was agreed that th ese purchases should be made fo r d e liv e r y on Thursday and E riday, June 29 and 30, in order to p ro v id e the market w ith funds which would tend t o o f f set any p o s s ib le strin gen cy over the end o f the h a lf yea r. I t was a lso agreed that i t would be unwise to roach any d e fin it e d e c is io n beyond the current week be cause o f the great u n c e rta in tie s as to the p o s itio n o f the d o lla r and other in fluences a ffe c t in g business a c t i v i t y . Governor H arrison then review ed b r i e f l y h is discussions in London and the present s itu a tio n with resp ect to proposals fo r monetary s t a b iliz a t io n . There was a lso a discu ssion o f the p o lic y to be pursued in keeping open licen sed member banks, Governor Black s ta tin g that i t was the A d m in istra tio n ’ s p o lic y to make th e utmost e f f o r t to keep open a l l licen sed member banks. The meeting adjourned at 12:15 p . m. W. E. Burgess, S ecreta ry . sam Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority E g . / o Z o ) f l-■’ — PPiTTFTTfifftfTTffT JwEMU* MINUTES OF MliTlNG OF tOCTCT OF THE P P M MARKET POLICY CONFlff«JCg- MAY 231 1953 A meeting of the executive committee of the Open Market Policy Conference was called in Washington at Governor Black’s office on Tuesday, May 23, at 11 a* m. There were present: Governor Harrison, Chainaan, Governors Young, Norris, Fane her and McKay, and Governor Black*. Governor Harrison called attention to the fact that because of Governor Black’s appointment to the Federal Reserve Board, there was a vacancy on the executive committee of the Open Market Policy Conference and that with the approval of the other members of the committee he bad invited Governor Fancher to serve in Governor Black’s place pending another meeting of the Open Market Policy dbnference. Governor Harrison then presented to the committee the secretary*s report of operations and a preliminary memorandum on credit conditions which was read and discussed in some detail. Governor Harrisold, referred to the fact that the Federal Reserve Board’s approval of purchases of United States Government securities by the executive committee of the Open Market Policy Conference up to an aggregate of #1,000,000,000 was broader in scope than the resolution adopted at the last meeting of the conference on April 22c and stated that Governor Black had requested him to take up with all of the members of the conference in seme appropriate fashion the question whether or not the authority given to the executive committee by the resolution passed at the last meeting of the conference might not be extended. After discussion it was voted unanimously to be the sense of the executive committee that the authority given to the executive committee at the last meeting of the con ference, which limits the right to purchase government securities, either in the Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 market or direct from the Treasury, wto mSet Treasury requirements," should be amended so as to remove that restriction in order that purchases of securities may be made promptly if in the judgment of the committee such purchases are considered desirable, whether- or not to meet Treasury requirements. It was pointed out that this action, if approved by the conferencei ^ould enlarge the powers of the committee to conform to the broader action of the Federal Reserve Board in approving purchases of United States Government obligations without the limitation as to Treasury requirements. Governor Black expressed himself as being in agreement with this action by the executive committee. The committee then discussed the general situation in the light of the preliminary memorandum with a view to ascertaining whether or not it would be advisable to initiate some purchases of government securities at this time. After discussion it was unanimously voted that the committee should purchase $25 million of government securities this statement week provided a majority of the Open Market Policy Conference approved of the proposed extension of authority to the executive committee. Governor Young explained that his vote was predicated on the assumption that the Treasury would approve this action. Governor Black advised the members of the committee that he was in clined to believe that a larger amount of securities - possibly $100,000,000 or $200,000,000 - should #be purchased, when there was more evidence of a real need therefor. He inquired whether, if the present improvement in business activities and prices should fall off seriously, thp committee would then be in \ favor of heavy purchases of securities. Members of the committee expressed the view that they would be in favor of such purchases under such circumstances. Governor Black then stated that in consideration of the views expressed at this meeting, as to the possible advantages of prompt action, he was agreeable to Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority fT ft, 3 the proposal to buy $25,000,000 of securities this statement weekf with the under-* standing that, if need for more vigorous action develops, such action will be taken promptly* Governor Black advised the committee, prior to the final action on the resolution to purchase government securities, about proposed legislation to eliminate the so-called gold clause from new issues of government securities# He showed the committee a memorandum prepared by the Treasury on this subject and stated that the Treasury and Administration were in favor of the bill. point Secretary Woodin joined the meeting. At this Governor Harrison advised the secretary that the committee had voted to purchase $25 million of securities this statement week, but that one of the members of the committee wanted to be in formed of the views of the Treasury with respect to such a program. I Secretary Woodin stated that he and the Treasury would have no opposition to open market operations, but he felt, as did a majority of the committee, that there is no necessity for Treasury approval of the proposal^ At the request of Governor Black each member of the executive committee then expressed his opinions regarding:. (1) the proposed open market operations; (2) the problem of keeping open licensed member banks; and (3) liberalization of membership requirements in the Federal Reserve System. During the course of this discussion it appeared to be the unanimous opinion that one of the most im portant problems now before the system is to devise a procedure or program for keeping open all member banks which have been licensed to open. To accomplish this, either the Federal reserve banks should have some legal protection against losses on account of liberal 10(b) loans made for the purpose of keeping member banks open, or else the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Act should be amended so as to make it possible for the R. F. C. to advance sufficient funds to keep open any member bank that had been licensed to open. If this were done, and membership requirements in the Federal Reserve System were liberalized, and prompt Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority E l f r f r t G o j . 4 action taken upon the applications of sound state banks for membership, it was felt that it would be possible adequately to take care of all sound banks either through liberal 10(b) loans by the Federal reserve banksf or by loans through the R. F. &• Governor Black reported steps which were being taken designed to handle these problems, but stated that there might be difficulty in obtaining the requisite amendments to the law# During the course of the discussion it was pointed out that various governmental agencies had substantially different yardsticks for appraising loan values and that it would be helpful were a more uniform basis of appraising values arrived at. There was also some feeling that the office of the Comptroller of the Currency was becoming more strict rather than more liberal in the reopening of closed banks and that the present regulations of the Federal Reserve Board re garding the admission of state banks to membership in the system are probably more strict than present circumstances require# George L. Harrisonf Cha irman* Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority MBiuTisar mwtbkj Or Hffl OP1N MAEKST POLICY CONITOWIC* . W , .ut*. ' SATURDAY, APRIL 22, 1933, WASHINGTON, D, C. 1/ > sf'ij Th® ae9 ting was called to order at 11 a. m.> there being present the following: Governor Harrison* chainaan# and Governors Young, Norris, fane her, Seay* Black, Martin, Geary, BBtmilton, McKinney, and Calkins, and Deputy Governor Melay* t following completion of the deliberations of th© governors con ference, a meeting of the open market policy conference was convened to consider what, if any, action should be taken by the conference with a view to giving the executive consulttee power to function if necessary in the * emergency pending another meeting of the conference* The report of the secretary of the operations in the system account since the last meeting, which had been previously distributed, waa received and ordered to be placed on file* The conference then considered the pre- i liminary memorandum which had also been distributed during the course of tUe governors conference* There was a general discussion of the memorandum and a review of banking and business conditions which had been considered during the course of the governors conference, particular reference was made to the j r I Thomas Amendment to the Faun Bill giving the President among other powers the right to direct the Secretary of the Treasury to arrange with tha Federal re serve banks for the purchase of government obligations up to three billion, dollars* As drafted, this provision of the law is not obligatory so far as the Federal reserve banks are concerned* But the conference was generally in agreement that during the period of the emergency it would be advisable for the Federal reserve banks, so far as possible and consistent with their own position and requirement#! to cooperate with the Treasury with a view to feeilltat tag any necessary issuee of government securities or to support the t a u » L/ ? A jU s sis ,- c - x Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority fQ ^ Q j market for government securities in order to make such public issues possible, r The majority of the conference however did not feel that at the present time it would be advisable for the Federal reserve banks to purchase government securities solely for the purpose of increasing member bank reserves. After further discussion and in order that the executive cornuittee might be prepared# if deemed advisable at the time* to purchase government securities with a view to making it possible for the Treasury to meet its requirements, it was VOTED to be the sense of the conference that subject to approval of the Federal Reserve Board the executive committee be authorized to arrange with the Secretary of the Treasury from time to time to pur chase up to one billion dollars of government securi ties to meet Treasury requirements. Deputy Governor McKay of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago asked to be recorded as not voting* All the other governors voted in the affirmative. During the debate on this resolution it was pointed out that this authority, if approved by the Federal Reserve Board, would permit the executive committee to purchase government securities in the market as a means of facili tating public issues of government securities rather than to force the Treasury to seek accommodation directly from the Federal reserve banks. It was understood that a purchase in such circumstances would be with a view to meeting Treasury requirements as specified in the resolution* The conference then considered the question of the average maturity of the securities held in the system account, it being pointed out that in present circumstances a larger proportion of longer time government securities might not be inappropriate, especially if the exchange of short term securities for longer maturities would facilitate the marketing of government issues when necessary. It was emphasized that it might be possible by shifting various issues in the system account from shorter to longer maturities to promote a better relationship of rates in the government security market and also tone up the market so as to facilitate public issues where otherwise direct recourse to Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority I 3 the Federal reserve banks might be sought* After discussion it was un animously j v A A VOTED to be the sense of thr conference that while as a general principle the average maturity of governments held in the system account should be kept as short as possible* nevertheless in the present emergency and especially in view of the need of full cooperation with the Treasury in meeting its fiscal problems, the executive committee should be authorized from time to time to shift maturities in the system account if condi-_ tions in the market or requirements of the Treasury^appear to make that advisable* Furthermore, it is understood that in replacing maturities in the system account the executive committee will use its discretion in the light of existing conditions and this resolution in selecting replacements. In view of the fact that the present emergency might make it necessary or advisable for the Federal reserve banks to acquire further amounts of govern ment securities* it was the belief of the conference that there should be the fullest cooperation on the part of the several Federal reserve banks in reallo cating existing and possible future holdings of government securities as between reserve banks to enable the reserve banks to operate effectively as a System, ^ Accordingly, it was unanimously executive system of purchases at a more VOTKD to be the sense of the conference that the committee {fshouldjbe instructed to work out a allotment of existing holdings as well as new of government securities with a view to arriving equitable relationship of reserve percentages* It was pointed out that the reallocation of securities between reserve banks might be necessary not only to permit of further purchases of securities by the system but also to enable any Federal reserve bank freely to accommodate its member banks on 10 B loans in cases whore large amounts of sucl^ loans might be required to keep open licensed member banks in its district. At 11:50 a, m. the open market policy conference met with the Federal Reserve Board. The three resolutions adopted were read to the Board, it being pointed out that the first resolution authorizing the executive committee to purchase up to one billion dollars of government securities would require the m— Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 4 approval of the Federal Reserve Board* Governor Harrison outlined some of tho reasons which prompted the adoption of th<* resolutions in the form sub mitted* At 12:30 the meeting adjourned* George L. Harrison, Chairman* J Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority M2NDT3S OF MEETING OF THE OPSt MARKET POLICY C0NEER2HC3 wmrasMY, 4, 1933, wismNaF«, d. c. jmsmt The meeting was called to order at 10:20 a* m., there being present the following! Governor Harrison, chairman, and Governors Young, Horris, 5*nchar, Seay, Black, McDougal, Martin, Geery, Haailton, McKinney, and Calkins, and Deputy Governor Burgess, secretary. The secretaryfs report of operations was received, and placed on file. The preliminary memorandum on credit conditions was distributed* Governor Harrison pointed out that the present organization of the con ference called for rotation in the membership of the executive committee, and it was moved and carried that the present executive comaittee be continued for another year* Governor Young reported that the committee on banking legislation had been in session the previous day and had reached a general agreement. He indicated that the preliminary report of the committee would be mailed to the governors in a few days* At 10:35 the members of the Federal Reserve Board entered the meeting, there being present: Governor Meyer, Messrs. Hamlin, James, Hiller, Magee, and from the Board Staff Messrs, Floyd Harrison, Morrill, Goldenweiser, Wyatt, Smead, McClelland, and Carpenter* Dr. Goldenweiser reviewed the recent developments in the credit situa tion, and presented a memorandum on the subject prepared in the Board’s Division of Research and Statistics. During Dr. Goldenweiser»s statement the Chairman of the Board joined the meeting* Governor Meyer stated that probably at no time since the war has the relation between the open market policy of the Federal Reserve System and the general economic situation been so important and that for this reason it is y / r / 3 3 3 3 .- C - J . Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 p a r t ic u la r ly necessary that the d e c is io n o f the Open Market P o lic y Conference be o f such a character as to be capable o f expression in d e f in it e terras which w i l l be understandable t o th e p u b lic and j u s t i f y confidence in th e soundness and s t a b i l i t y o f the System’ s p o lic y . He r e fe r r e d t o th e a g ita tio n , e s p e c ia lly in Congress, f o r the adoption o f in fla t io n a r y measures and p oin ted out th at under conditions l i k e th ese the System must o f n e c e s s ity g iv e due con sid eration to such fa c to r s in reaching a determ ination as t o fu tu re p o lic y . He also stated that during h is recent v i s i t s to seven o f th e Federal re s e rv e banks, when he discussed the open market p o lic y w ith th e d ir e c to r s o f those banks, he found what appeared t o be gen era l approval, and he expressed th e opinion that the p o lic ie s o f th e System, in th e lig h t o f conditions which have e x isted during th e la s t two years, have been remarkably fr e e from p u b lic c r itic is m * The S e c re ta ry o f the Conference then read th e p relim in a ry memorandum on c re d it con dition s p r e v io u s ly d is trib u te d * S e c re ta ry M a lls on request review ed the budgetary s itu a tio n o f th e gov ernment* He also reviewed the proposals fo r in fla t io n which were being made to th e Congress and suggested that any slackening in Federal re s e rv e open market p o lic y might p ro vid e an excuse f o r an unsound in f la t io n b i l l * . . % S e creta ry M ills poin ted out, however, that the Treasu ry i t s e l f was not d i r e c t l y or in d ir e c t ly in te r e s te d in th e d ecisio n th e open market p o lic y conference might rea ch . The Treasury should pay th e market p r ic e fo r i t s money and should not exp ect, fo r example, to take advantage o f any abnormal s itu a tio n f o r a la rg e refu nding opera tio n * P o lic y should be determined independently o f the Treasury p o s it io n j As a basis fo r discu ssion by th e Conference, Governor H arrison then out lin e d the various arguments both fo r and against somo redu ction in tho s e c u r ity h oldings o f Federal re s e rv e banks* o f some red u ction . He suggested the fo llo w in g arguments in fa vo r Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ^ j o (1 ) The System open market p o lic y had not been one t o accumulate any d e fin it e amount o f s e c u r itie s but rath er to check d e fla tio n through the redu ction o f bank debt and the c re a tio n o f su b stan tial excess re s e rv e s , which had been accomplished* I t had been g e n e r a lly agreed that a ft o r a su b stan tial e f f e c t iv e pressure had been secured th e System would reduce i t s s e c u rity holdings as soon as p o s s ib le without r e lie v in g that p ressu re, Tlie turn o f th e year appeared to o ffe r th e best chance to de crease th e amount o f s e c u r itie s without reducing member bank reserves and so not changing p o lic y * I f t h is opportu n ity were not used during January i t might not be fe a s ib le to liq u id a te fo r a year without decreasing bank re s e rv e s and thus g iv in g the ap pearance o f a change in p o lic y * (2 ) Any fu rth e r su b sta n tia l in crease in excess reserves might not in fa c t increase e f f e c t iv o pressure and would thus serve o n ly to minimize c o n tro l when necessary. / (3 ) Though i t was not th e m otive th e fa c t that th e Reserve banks have bought so la rg e amounts o f government s e c u r itie s has in fa c t enabled th e Treasu ry to borrow cheaply and so in some measure has encouraged th e continuance o f an unbalanced budget . y Governor H arrison suggested the fo llo w in g arguments in fa v o r o f h oldin g the government p o r t f o lio in t a c t . I ,/ ' ( 1 ) There is danger that a red u ction in s e c u r ity holdings might be construed as a r e v e r s a l o f p o lic y which might in turn in crea se the danger o f the adoption o f some r a d ic a l in fla t io n a r y polic37 by Congress since th e most e f f e c t i v e argument against such in fla t io n is that an o rd e rly p o lic y o f r e f l a t i o n is now at work.. Any move so in te rp re te d a lso might be discou ragin g to business or to bankers h o ld in g a la r g e volume o f government s e c u r itie s , who might s ta rt to liq u id a t e , (2 ) A red u ction in the t o t a l holdings might operate as a check to the bond market thus re ta rd in g business re c o v e r y and fu rth er in ju rin g bond p o r t f o lio s o f banks. (3 ) One question was the e ffe c tiv e n e s s o f varyin g amounts o f excess re s e rv e s . There are in d ica tio n s that in te re s t on d ep osits in p r in c ip a l centers might be elim in ated . I t is d i f f i c u l t to tr a c e the e f fe c t s o f such a move but i f lim ite d to bank d ep osits i t would probably d is tr ib u te the pressure fo r p u ttin g money to work more v/idely and would thus j u s t i f y a la r g e r t o t a l o f excess res e rv e s . Governor H arrison fu rth er suggested that any redu ction in s e c u r ity h o ld ings should in any event not exceed the return flo w o f currency, and that the System should not attempt to o ffs e t g o ld imports sin ce that might be in terp reted as c o n s titu tin g a p o lic y o f s t e r i l i z a t i o n o f go ld . T5BT Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 4 Governor Meyer suggested that what is most requ ired i s assurance as to th e continuance o f th e pressure o f excess re s e rv e s . Mr, M ille r suggested that the p re c is e amount o f excess re s erves main tain ed was an in c id e n ta l d e t a il, but that th e important, question was one o f p o lic y and d ir e c tio n o f movement, and that th ere might be harm in stopping excess reserves from accumulating. There ensued a gen eral discu ssion during which the question was ra ised whether country banks could and would make use o f excess re s erves i f d riven back from the cen ters. Governor M artin poin ted Out that fe a r o f bank fa ilu r e s was p reven tin g banks from using t h e ir excess re s e rv e s and i f that s itu a tio n were cor rected th e excess re s e rv e s would be put to u se. Governor Calkins emphasized th e same d i f f i c u l t y , p a r t ic u la r ly in r e l a t io n to a g r ic u ltu r a l banks. Governor Meyer pointed out that one e f f e c t o f the p o lic y had been to r e l i e v e g r e a t ly th e finances o f c i t i e s and s ta te s , so that th e y could secure money in th e market fo r r e l i e f and other necessary a c t i v i t i e s . This was h e lp fu l in keeping the s o c ia l o rga n iza tio n goin g. Governor N o rris ra is e d th e question o f th e probable renewal, o f th e p ro v is io n s o f S ection s 2 and 3 o f the Glass S te a g a ll b i l l ? and in general discu ssion i t was suggested that th ere would probably be l i t t l e d i f f i c u l t y in the renewal o f the p ro v is io n s r e fe r r e d t o , and that in any event the s itu a tio n o f the banks with resp ect to c o lla t e r a l fo r Federal re s e rv e notes could not be r e lie v e d by the sa le o f any reasonable amount o f government s e c u r it ie s . There ensued some fu rth er discu ssion o f th e use o f excess reserves and the probable e ffe c t s o f a discontinuance o f in te re s t on d ep osits in New York should that occur. There was some d iffe r e n c e o f opinion as to the extent to which an excess o f reserves would be put to use by banks i f i t were d is trib u te d more w id e ly throu^iout the country, some expressing the b e l i e f that th e funds would be Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 5 put to use in investments or somewhat fr e e r len d in g, and oth ers expressing the opp osite o p in io n . The m eeting adjourned at 1:10 p# m* The m eeting reconvened at 2:25 p . m ., th e re being present th e fo llo w in g : Governor H arrison, chairman, and Governors Young, N o r r is , Fancher, Seay, Black, McDougal, M artin, Geery, Hamilton, McKinney, and Calkins, and Deputy Governor Burgess, s ecreta ry * A fte r some fu rth e r gen eral discu ssion each o f th e governors stated h is views which may be summarized b r i e f l y as fo llo w s : Governor Black said that w h ile he saw no economic reasons fo r not le t t i n g m a tu rities run o f f he was g r e a t ly impressed by th e dangers o f unsound in fla t io n a r y vj proposals and b e lie v e ? that th ey could o n ly be combated bjf th e continuance o f th e present p o lic y o f th e Federal Reserve System, Governor Geery favored le t t i n g January m atu rities run o f f a ft e r making a statement that th e p o lic y o f m aintaining excess reserves would be continued. Future p o lic y could be governed by th e e f f e c t s o f th is o p eration . Governor Seay b e lie v e d that th e dangers o f a fu rth er accumulation o f re s e rv e s were g re a te r than those o f disposin g o f some s e c u r it ie s . He b elie v e d a statement th at th e re was no change in p o lic y would be adequate t o d ea l w ith p o l i t i c a l problems which have a way o f not m a te r ia liz in g . He would le t not le s s than $200,000,000 o f s e c u r itie s go. Governor Young emphasized th e op p ortu n ity in January f o r l e t t i n g govern ments go without in t e r fe r in g w ith excess re s e rv e s . i He would le t January m aturi- t i e s run o f f and perhaps those o f February and would t r y to speed up th e renewal o f the Glass S te a g a ll b i l l . Governor Calkins stated that he was not impressed by th e p o l i t i c a l argument and p a r t ic u la r ly with th e System*s power t o deal with in f l a t i o n i s t s . He was not a supporter o f the th eo ry that excess res e rv e s were e f f e c t i v e in expanding c r e d it . He would, however, l e t a sm aller amount o f governments than the January Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 6 m a tu rities run o f f and not decide yet about February, Governor M artin thought the elim in a tio n o f in te r e s t on d ep osits would re s u lt in hoarding and other d i f f i c u l t i e s . He b e lie v e d the banking s itu a tio n must be straigh ten ed out b e fo re excess reserves would have t h e ir f u l l e f f e c t . He would fa vo r l e t t i n g some s e c u r itie s run o f f , w ith the execu tive committee keeping in c lo s e touch with th e r e s u lt s . / Governor Hamilton b e lie v e d th e System should not base i t s a ctio n on the p o l i t i c a l s itu a tio n . He would fa v o r l e t t i n g January m a tu rities run o f f and having another meeting to decide on February m a tu ritie s . He considered i t important to exp la in the a ctio n t o th e p u b lic .^ sl Governor Fancher thought an elim in a tio n o f in te re s t charges due to in creasing res e rv e s would be u ndesirable* He b e lie v e d some o f the m a tu rities in January should not be rep la ced , r e la t in g any changes to the retu rn flo w o f curren cy. Governor N o rris suggested that fu rth e r increases in excess reserves would a d versely a ffe c t bank earnings and incur the r is k o f disturbance which might a r is e from e lim in a tin g in te r e s t on d e p o s its . was the encouragement to an unbalanced budget. As to p o l i t i c a l e ff e c t s one danger The other r e la te d to in fla t io n a r y p rop osa ls. He b e lie v e d t h is la t t e r d i f f i c u l t y could be met by a c a re fu l statement o f p o lic y . He would fa vo r le t t i n g January m a tu rities run o f f t o the extent o f the currency retu rn but would on ly fa v o r doing th is i f an explanation were made* If no explanation were made he would fa v o r m aintaining the p o r t f o l i o . « ; U / Governor McDougal b e lie v e d that fu rth e r increase in excess reserves woulc / j : be unwise and that reductions in the p o r t f o l i o might make open market money r a te s firm er and strengthen the p o s itio n o f the R eserve System. He favored l e t t i n g at le a s t January m a tu rities run o f f ; and would p r e fe r to include the February m atu ri- Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority lT ,A / (0 £ S ? / 7 Governor McKinney did not fa vo r g iv in g to o much con sid eration t o the p o l i t i c a l a sp ects. t i e s t o run o f f , He said he would permit th e g re a te r p o rtio n o f January m aturi adding th a t, in h is judgment, such a ctio n would have a heartening e ffe c t on the banks, in h is d i s t r i c t at le a s t , as w e ll as tend to crea te in the p u b lic mind g e n e r a lly th e b e l i e f that because o f improved con dition s i t is no j j lon ger necessary to r i g i d l y m aintain a fix e d amount o f Government s e c u r itie s in th e System . jj Governor H arrison said he had f e l t a l l along that some s e c u r itie s should be allow ed t o run o f f in January but he attached considerable weight to the dangers o f th e in fla t io n a r y movement a l l over th e country. He feared m is in te rp re ta tio n o f sa les by th e banks, th e market, and by Congress, but b e lie v e d th at t h is d i f f i c u l t y might be la r g e ly avoided i f th e p o lic y were c le a r ly understood to be one o f con tin u in g t o maintain su b sta n tia l excess reserves in prosent con d ition s. T h is might in v o lv e purchases as w e ll as sa le s o f s e c u r it ie s . The conference then proceeded to d ra ft a r e s o lu tio n , s ta r tin g with a motion by Governor Calkins that th e ex ecu tive ca a n ittoe be authorized to dispose o f $100,000,000 t o $125,000,000 o f s e c u r itie s in January to o ffs e t currency r e tu rn s. B efore adjournment a p re lim in a ry d ra ft o f the re s o lu tio n was voted upon fa v o ra b ly , Governors McDougal, Seay, and Black, v o tin g in the n eg a tive* I t was decided to hold a fu rth e r m eeting in th e morning, and since Governor Black was unable t o s ta y u n t il morning he desired t o record h is dissent from any proposal f o r reducing th e System p o r t f o l i o , as fo llo w s : *1 am in accord w ith the economic reasons given by th e Conference f o r the proposed redu ction in governments* I , however, have an intense f e e lin g that th e present s itu a tio n as to proposed in fla t io n a r y measures creates a new con d ition that i s most serious and should be persu asive o f a ctio n r e s u ltin g in m aintaining our present h o ld in g s; and I th e r e fo r e v o te ’ no* on th e present m otion .” A fte r fu rth er discu ssion o f th e d ra ft re s o lu tio n th e meeting adjourned at 6:05 p . m. f Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority January 5, 1953. The meeting was c a lle d to order at 10:06 a. m ., th ere being present th e fo llo w in g : Governor H arrison, chairman, and Governors Young, N o r r is , Fancher, Seay, McDougal, M artin, Geery, Hamilton, McKinney, and Calkins, and Deputy Governor Burgess, secreta ry* The discu ssion o f the d ra ft r e s o lu tio n was continued, and a ft e r fu rth er m o d ific a tio n s , i t was passed by unanimous vo te in th e fo llo w in g form: I t i s th e sense o f th e Open Market P o lic y Conference th at th ere should be no change in th e System’ s p o lic y intended to maintain a su b sta n tia l amount o f excess member bank reserves inasmuch as th e continuance o f excess reserves in su b sta n tia l amounts is d e s ira b le in present co n d itio n s. In view o f the retu rn flo w o f currency during January and p ro s p e c tiv e gold move*ments th e amount o f excess reserves may r i s e con siderably above th e present le v e l which is deemed appropriate under present con d it io n s . BE IT RESOLVED, THEREFORE, That, pending another meeting o f the Conference, the Executive Committee be given a u th o rity (a ) to reduce th e S 3rstemTs holdings o f short term Treasury b i l l s in order to o ffs e t such amount o f th e retu rn flo w o f currency as may seem de s ir a b le , provided such a ctio n does not re s u lt in any su b stan tial redu ction in e x is tin g excess re s e rv e s and (b ) i f necessary, t o purchase Government s e c u r itie s in s u ffic ie n t amounts to prevent member bank excess reserves f a l l i n g below th e present gen eral l e v e l , c) Governors Seay and McDougal d esired to be recorded as v o tin g with a re s e rv a tio n . They b elieved that th e proposal represented a step in the r ig h t d i r ectio n but would p r e fe r to see a la r g e r redu ction in th e p o r t f o l i o and did not fa v o r the maintenance o f as la r g e excess res e rv e s as at p resen t. Some re s e rv a tio n as t o th e value o f th e maintenance o f th e present volume o f excess re s e rv e s was expressed by severa l o f th e governors. Governor Young sa id he was v o tin g f o r the re s o lu tio n bocause he b elie v e d i t t o be a step in the rig h t d ir e c tio n and not because he had changed h is views in re fe re n c e t o excess r e s e r v e s . iar Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ^ ,Q r j O ^ O f 9 I t was understood in fo rm a lly that th e re s o lu tio n should be in terp reted by th e execu tive committee as fo llo w s : s' (1 ) Treasury b i l l s up t o $125,000,000 would be allowed to run o f f in January to the extent that th ere is a retu rn flo w o f currency, but not to bring excess re s e rv e s below ^500,000,000. (2 ) When th e r e s o lu tio n r e fe r s to th e present l e v e l o f r e serves i t means approxim ately §500,000,000. (5 ) When the r e s o lu tio n r e fe r s t o th e return flo w o f currency i t means the retu rn flow from the December peak ju st b efo re Christmas. (4 ) There would be another meeting o f th e Conference b efo re any in crease in the System holdings o f government s e c u ri t i e s above $1,851,000,000. At 11:00 a. m* o f clo ck tho members o f the Federal Reserve Board entered the m eeting, th ere being p resen t, in ad d ition to the governors o f the Federal res e rv e banks, th e fo llo w in g : Governor Meyer, M essrs. M ille r , Hamlin, James, Magee, M o r r ill, H arrison, Wyatt, M cClelland, and Carpenter. The re s o lu tio n adopted by the Conference was presented to th e Board and unanimously approved by i t . Governor Meyer expressed s a t is fa c t io n with th e form o f re s o lu tio n in that i t provided a more s c i e n t i f i c basis fo r a ctio n than the usual re s o lu tio n which sim ply indicated a d e f in it e amount o f s e c u r itie s t o be bought o r sold. The re s o lu t io n g iv e s assurance t o banks and business men as to the continuation o f easy money and should help make the p o lic y more e f f e c t i v e . it Governor Meyer then stated that is th e opinion o f the Federal Reserve Board that the governors o f the Federal re s e rv e banks can con trib u te a great d ea l to th e success o f the System open market p o lic y by exp lain in g t o member banks in a p o s it iv e way, whenever an opportu n ity i s a ffo rd e d , the purposes sought to be accomplished by th e p o lic y . Governor H arrison rep orted th e in te rp re ta tio n s o f the re s o lu tio n upon which the conference was agreed. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 10 There ensued a gen eral d iscu ssion o f what i f any statement might be g iv e n t o th e p re s s , and Dr, M ille r and Mr. Hamlin, and Governors H arrison and N o r r is vrere con stitu ted a committee to d ra ft a statem ent, and th ey withdrew to prepare a statement. At 12:52 p* m ., the committee returned and the fo llo w in g statement was read and adopted without d issen t: The Open Market P o l i c y Conference o f th e Federal R eserve System, with re p re s e n ta tiv e s from a l l o f the tw e lv e Federal re s e rv e banks in attendance, con cluded i t s meetings with the F ed eral Beserve Board tod ay. The sessions o f th e Conference were devoted to a review o f economic, business, fin a n c ia l and banking con dition s in each o f the tw e lv e F ederal re s e rv e d is t r i c t s and t o the economic and fin a n c ia l s itu a tio n in th e country as a whole. P a r tic u la r re fe re n c e was made in th e discussions t o the workings and e ffe c t s o f th e open market p o lic y thus fa r pursued by the Federal Reserve System during th e course o f the economic depression . Consideration was also given t o th e a ttitu d e o f the System in ad ju stin g i t s opera tio n s to con dition s and needs as th ey may change and develop* % ie f i r s t and immediate o b je c tiv e o f th e open market p o lic y was t o conJ tr ib u te fa c to rs o f s a fe t y and s t a b i l i t y in meeting th e fo rc e s o f d e fla t io n . The la r g e r o b je c tiv e s o f th e System’ s open market p o lic y , t o a s s is t and a c c e le ra te th e fo rc e s o f economic re co very , are now assuming importance*^ With th is purpose in mind, the Conference has decided that th e re should be no change in th e System’ s p o lic y intended to maintain a su b sta n tia l amount o f excess member bank re s e rv e s , th e continuance o f which is deemed d e s ira b le in present con d ition s* Adjustments in the System’ s h oldings in the open market ac count w i l l be in accordance w ith th is p o lic y * Governor Meyer sa id that the Board had approved redu ctions in th e ra te on 10-B loans in th e case o f two re s e rv e banks and would be glad to act upon other a p p lic a tio n s * Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 11 Governor Meyer suggested the importance o f b u ild in g up th e man power o f the Beserve System by b rin gin g in ab le young men. There ensued some discu ssion o f the aid which an adequate pension plan would g iv e to t h is proposal, and i t was in d ica ted that th e Board was studying th e recommendations o f th e governors upon that p o in t . At 1:00 p . m ., the meeting adjourned. W. Randolph Burgess, S ecreta ry . Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority E o . i o ^ o j \ CONFIDENTIAL MINUTES OF MEETING 01 THE OPM MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE TUESDAY, NOVMBSR 15, 1932, WASHINGTON, D. C, A.I' • The m eeting was c a lle d to order at 11 a* m ., th ere being present the fo llo w in g Governor H arrison, chaiiman, and Governors Young, N o r r is , Fancher, Seay, Black, McDougal, Geery, M artin , Hamilton, McKinney, and Calkins* The Conference voted to re c e iv e and place on f i l e th e report o f th e s e c re ta ry r e la t in g to operations in the system account since th e la s t m eeting o f the Conference on July 14, 1932* The chaiiman read t o the Conference the p relim in ary memorandum which had p re v io u s ly been m ailed to each member o f th e Conference, He then r e fe r r e d to the fa c t that at the Joint Conference th e day b efo re he had reviewed the Open Market operations o f the system since la s t February, o u tlin in g p o lic ie s and ob je c t iv e s and commenting upon the e f fe c t s o f those operations on the c re d it and banking p o s itio n o f the country. While i t was not necessary again to review that gen eral statem ent, he discussed the s p e c ific problem now b efore the Conference, that is , whether the systan should buy more s e c u r it ie s , s e l l same o f the present h oldin gs, o r le a v e th e account sta tio n a ry * He mentioned that th e net in flu en ce o f the various fo rc e s a ffe c t in g the excess res e rv e p o s itio n o f ‘ member banks in th e next few weeks v e r y probably would be in the d ir e c t io n o f a reduction o f those excess re s e rv e s . The gold in flo w has lessened somewhat in the past s e v e ra l weeks, the ra te o f return o f currency frcm hoarding has slackened and we are now fa c in g the season when currency c ir c u la tio n might be expected to expand f o r h o lid a y pur poses. A d iffe r e n t set o f fa c ts w i l l e x is t a ft e r the turn o f the year. A l l o f th e msabers o f the Conference were o f the opinion that th ere is no occasion to buy more s e c u r itie s at the present tim e. The question f o r the s Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 d e c is io n o f the Conference th e r e fo r e was whether the system should now s e l l some o f i t s present holdings o r lea ve the account s ta tio n a ry . In discussing th is question the chairman expressed h is opinion that in a l l the circumstances which were mentioned the system should not s e l l now and that the question o f when it should do so was one which should he determined l a t e r in the lig h t o f circumstances as they might develop in the fu tu re . Governor McDougal stated that in h is opinion th ere was c e r ta in ly no reason fo r in creasin g the syston account at the present tim e and th a t, w h ile he would not recommend sales o f present holdings at the mcment, n everth eless, he thought it n igh t be w ise not to rep la ce some o f our Decsnber m a tu r itie s . Governor Seay said that in considering the problem we should keep in mind that the p rovision s o f the G la s s -S te a g a ll B i l l , a u th orizin g the Reserve Banks to 6 pledge government s e c u r itie s as c o lla t e r a l f o r Federal reserve notes e x p ire ^ on March 3 next unless fu rth e r extended by Congress. Governor Calkins suggested that i t might be wise t o au th orize the Executive Committee to decrease the present holdings up to an amount o f $150 m illio n , provided the excess reserves o f menber banks do not go belov/ £250 m illio n s * Governor Young said that i t would be p re fe ra b le not to make any change in the system holdings b efore the turn o f the year; that he favored allow in g some o f our holdings to mature, but that i t would be b e tte r to do so a f t e r the turn o f the year rath er than b e fo re . He f e l t , howeve'r, that even though we should not make any change in th e account u n t il a ft e r the turn o f the year., i t might be w ise now through d is c r e e t but in fe rn a l comment through th e press to l e t the public know that a reduction in the account might be expected a ft e r the turn o f the year. Governor Fancher expressed the opinion that we should do nothing now, but that perhaps we should lo o k towards a considerable reduction o f our holdings during January, Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority /O^Oj 3 Governor Hamilton stated that in h is opinion it was important from the point o f view o f the banks o f the country that we do nothing u n t il the Treasury ta x program is c le a r , perhaps sometime a ft e r December 15, Governor N o rris mentioned th e Importance o f economy in government fin a n ce, but stated he did not b e lie v e th ere was much chance o f an e a r ly adoption o f an econcmy program. He then stated that he did not fa v o r making any advance announcement o f our program, as might be im plied from Governor Youngf s remarks. He did f e e l , however, that at the time we do make a change in the system account i t must be ex plained to the country through d is c re e t p u b lic ity ; not by any foim al statanent o f the Federal Reserve Board or o f any Federal reserve bank, but through u n o ffic ia l advice to key nev/spaper men. Governor N o rris agreed f u l l y with the opinions p re v io u s ly expressed that th ere should be no change in the account at the present time* Governor Seay ranarked that w hile i t is no doubt true that January might be a b e tte r time than the present to allow s e c u r itie s to run o f f , n everth eless, we must recogn ize the fa c t that we should take advantage o f any fa vo ra b le opportu n ity to do so, perhaps even during December, Governor McDougal said he would lik e to see the systems holdings reduced; that th ere is too much reserve c re d it in the market and that w hile January might be a b e tte r opportu nity, n eve rth e le s s , th ere is ju s t ific a t io n fo r doing so now, e s p e c ia lly as we cannot see c le a r ly what may be ahead o f us and that we should take advantage o f present o p p o rtu n ities. Governor N o rris then made the fo llo w in g mot ion : "th at i t is the consensus o f the Conference that no change should be made at th is time in the amount o f the syst® i holdings o f government s e c u ri t i e s , and that th ere should be another m eeting o f the Cpen Market P o lic y Conference during the f i r s t week in January to consider the system ’ s p o lic y in the lig h t o f conditions as th ey ex ist at that tim e .” Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 4 Following this motion, which was duly seconded, there was a discussion about the time of the meeting, Governor Calkins and Governor Seay raising the question whether it would be preferable to have it about the middle of Decaaber. Governor Seay then offered a substitute motion to the effect that the December maturities be allowed to run off without replacanent and that there should be another meeting of the Open Market policy Conference the first week in January. This motion was seconded by Governor McDougal, but when put to a vote it was not carried, ✓ Governor Seay and Governor McDougal voting in the affirmative, but the other ten governors voting in the negative. Governor Norris* motion was then carried un animously. After this action of the Conference there was a general discussion of the book profit in the systsn account with particular reference to the reserve that had been set up last year against losses existing at that time* It was the consensus of opinion that our present holdings should not be written up to market values but that the amount set up as reserve against losses last year should be restored to surplus« The meeting adjourned at 1 o*clock* George L* Harrison, Chaiiman* GLH:MAR Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority !Q 9 o j X / MINUTES Or THE MEETING OF THE OPEN MLHKET POLICY CONFERENCE THURSDAY, JULY 14, 1932, WASHINGTON, D. C. The m eeting was c a lle d to o rd er a t 10:30 a. m ., in jo in t session with the fe d e r a l Reserve Board, th ere being present the fo llo w in g : From the Federal Reserve Board Governor Meyer, and Messrs. Hamlin, Janes, Magee, and M ille r , From the Federal re s e rv e banks Governors Young, H arrison, Faneher, Seay, Black, McDougal 1 Geery, M artin, Hamilton, McKinney, and C alkins, and Deputy Governors Hutt and Burgess, From the Federal Reserve Board s t a f f M essrs. F. H arrison , Goldenweiser, Wyatt, Sinead, and M cClelland. The p relim in a ry memorandum and s e c r e ta r y 's re p o rt o f Open Market operation s were d is trib u te d and a few minutes were taken f o r the reading o f these re p o rts . Governor Meyer review ed the events since the la s t meeting and r e fe r r e d p a r tic u la r ly t o the completion o f the French gold movement and the tendency f o r the in te rn a tio n a l movement o f funds to turn in fa v o r o f the d o lla r . He review ed the a c t i v i t i e s of the R econstruction Finance Corporation as to t h e ir volume o f opera tio n s , the a c c e le ra tio n o f demands f o r funds in the second h a l f o f June, and a recen t dim inution o f the demand. He discussed b r i e f l y the Glass su b stitu te f o r the GoIds borough b i l l and the Glass amendment to the r e l i e f b i l l , g iv in g a u th o rity to tho Reserve banks to make loans to in d ivid u a ls and corporations under c e rta in c lo s e ly p rescrib ed co n d itio n s. With re fe re n c e to the system open market p o lic y Governor Meyer in d ica ted th at while business had not undergone any revolu tion a ry r e v i v a l everyth in g had hem. achieved by the open market p o lic y which there m s a r ig h t to expect in view o f a l l the circum stances. He suggested that in determining fu tu re p o lic y i t was important to consider th at the pul l i e e f f e c t o f any sudden discontinuance o f the Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority lO ^ O j 2 p o lic y which had been pursued would be unfortu nate, and a lso that in fu tu re p o lic y every e f f o r t should be made to secure an e f f e c t i v e united system p o lic y . He p o in t ed out th a t there e x is te d a trend in Congress toward g iv in g the System more c e n tr a liz a tio n , and that the open market program o f fe re d a t e s t o f the ca p a city o f the System to fu n ction e f f e c t i v e l y in i t s present form* Secretary M ills entered the meeting a t th is p o in t. Governor H arrison r e fe r r e d to h is l e t t e r o f July 5 to members o f the conrference v;hich contained an an alysis o f the d is p o s itio n o f the funds made a v a ila b le through open market op eration s. Thus fa r these funds had been used la r g e ly de fe n s iv e ly , to meet go ld exports and to repay red iscou n ts, but there now appeared to be a much b e tte r opportunity to ach ieve the o b je c tiv e o f the program. In view o f the stoppage o f the gold exp ort movement i t now appeared to be p o ssib le to maintain surplus reserves a t the c o s t o f r e l a t i v e l y sm all fu rth e r purchases o f governments, assuming bank fa ilu r e s and currency hoarding can he kept in check. Governor Harrison suggested a program co n sistin g o f th ree p o in ts : (1) To prevent bank fa ilu r e s , (2 ) To continue to maintain excess reserves o f $200,000,000 to $250,000,000 u n t il they are used as a basis fo r a d d itio n a l c r e d it (3 ) To coordinate the a c tio n o f the banking and in d u s tr ia l committees in d iffe r e n t d is t r ic t s to promote the use o f c r e d it . There ensued a g en era l discussion o f the banking s itu a tio n , the e ffe c tiv e n e s s o f open market operation s, and the fu tu re program. During the course o f th is discus-, sion a number o f the governors expressed the view that a c tiv e methods should be taken fo r pu ttin g excess reserves to work, and a number introduced evidence to show that business was having considerable d i f f i c u l t y in obtaining from the banks the funds re q u ire d . The meeting adjourned a t 1:05 p, m# The meeting reconvened a t 2:50, there being present the same persons as a t the morning meeting w ith the a d d ition o f I£r. M e r r ill o f the Board’ s s t a f f . The ■tip Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ]T ,& r / 0 £ O f 3 general discussion was continued. The governors o f a number o f banks pointed out that with th e ir reserve percentages not fa r from 50% th e ir d ire c to rs were relu cta n t to p a r tic ip a te much fu rth er in open market purchases, p a r t ic u la r ly unless the opera tions were a united system undertaking. A number suggested the d e s ir a b ilit y o f a r e d is tr ib u tio n o f government s e c u r itie s to bring about a le v e lin g up in reserve percentages. At 3:35 the members o f tho Federal Reserve Board and it s s t a f f l e f t the meeting, and the discu ssion o f a future open market program was resumed w ith only the members o f the open marker p o lic y conference present, Governor Harrison p resid in g. A lt e r fu rth er continued discussion the fo llo w in g motion was ca rried by a vote of 9 to 3, Governors Young, Sway and McDougal votin g in the n eg a tive. ’’That the Executive Committee be authorized to buy Government s e c u r itie s to the ex ten t necessary to maintain ex cess reserves o f member banks at approxim ately 200 m illio n d o lla r s , t o t a l purchases to bo lim ite d to the amount p reviou sly authorized by the Open Market P o lic y Conference which is 207 m illio n d o lla rs . For the guidance of the Executive Committee i t was the sense of the conference that except in unusual or unforeseen circumstances purchases should not exceed 15 m illio n d o lla rs a week, but fo r the next fou r weeks should be not lo ss than 5 m illio n d o lla r s a week.” There then ensued a fu rth er discu ssion o f tho d is tr ib u tio n o f purchases o f government s e c u r itie s among the d iffe r e n t Federal reserve banks, during the course o f which Governor Young pointed out that r h ile tho Boston reserve bank had been opposed to tho program, i t had p a rtic ip a te d to a la rgo e x te n t in the purchases since A p r il 12 and had also taken over $22,000,000 o f s e c u r itie s from the o u trigh t holdings o f the Federal Reserve Bank o f New York on a temporary b a s is , w ith the understanding that these could be sold back to the New York bank whenever necessary The Boston bank was w illin g to continue th is s o rt o f a s s is ta n c e . Governor McDougal also pointed out that the Chicago bank had p a rtic ip a te d in a l l purchases since A p r il 12 and would continue to g iv e c a re fu l con sid eration t® the question o f p a rtic pation although the d ir e c to r s o f his bank f e l t th a t, in view e s p e c ia lly o f the bank Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority fT 'O . / 0 ^ 0 j 4 la rgo l i a b i l i t y fo r Federal Roservo n otes, they hold a l l the governments that they d esired . He pointed out that tho Chicago bank had purchased $41 m illio n o f secur i t i e s fo r it s own account and had a ls o made temporary purchases from Now York, and would be w illin g to make fu rth er such purchases from New York or any other reserve bank which needed assistan ce in m aintaining i t s reserve p o s itio n . The S ecreta ry reported upon the expression s o f view r e c e iv e d from various reserve banks in response to his l e t t e r of June 24 subm itting data upon s e v e ra l p ossib le bases fo r the d is tr ib u tio n o f s e c u r ity purchases. In the course o f d is cussion i t was g e n e ra lly recogn ized th a t the r a tio s o f d is tr ib u tio n now being used were a r b itr a r y and u n s a tis fa c to ry but no other basis appeared to be more s a tis fa c to r y except an allotm ent on the basis o f reserve percentages, which was im practicable by reason o f the views o f the Boston and Chicago banks as to the program. A ft e r ex tended discussion i t was agreed that operations should be continued on the basis o f tlie present allotm en t r a t io s . I t was recognized however, that a number o f the banks would not be ab le to p a r tic ip a te f u l l y on th is basis in view o f th e ir low reserve percentages, and i t was understood a lso that the Boston and Chicago banks would stand ready to g iv e temporary assistance to any bank req u irin g a id because of it s reserve percentage, though th is operation would o r d in a r ily be clea red through New York. Governor Harrison rep orted th a t the F ederal Reserve Board had expressed agreement w ith the re s o lu tio n adopted by the conference as to fu tu re p o lic y . Governor H arrison then rep orted in fo rm a lly the developments with resp ect to gold movements and r e la tio n s with fo re ig n banks of issue since the preceding m eeting. The meeting adjourned a t 6:00 p. m. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 5 i '» — .........•—<- JOINT CONBERMCE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD AND THE GOVERNORS OF FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS FRIDAY, JULY 15, 1932, AT WASHINGTON, D. 0. The meeting was c a lle d to order at 10:35 a. m. as a jo in t conference, there being p re s e n t: From the Federal Reserve Board Governor Meyer, and Messrs* Hamlin, James, Magee, and M ille r , From the Federal reserve banks Governors Young, H arrison, Fancher, Seay, Black, McDougal, Geery, M artin, Hamilton, McKinney, and G alkins, and Deputy Governors Hutt and Burgess. From the Federal Reserve Board s t a f f Messrs. F. H arrison, M o r r ill, Goldenweiser, Wyatt, M cClelland, and C arter. Governor Meyer reported the status before Congress o f the p ro visio n o f the pending r e l i e f b i l l re q u irin g p u b lic ity fo r loans by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. Governor Meyer then suggested a discussion o f the p ro v is io n fo r loans to in d ivid u a ls and corp oration s by the F ed eral reserve banks embodied in the Glass amendment to the r e l i e f b i l l . He suggested th a t th is p ro v is io n might prove h e lp fu l in making c r e d it more f r e e l y a v a ila b le fo r business, fo r the p ro visio n would open the way fo r the Federal res e rv e banks to become informed as to p a rtic u la r c r e d it situ a tio n s , and to work out means by which bank c r e d it might be made a v a ila b le even in cases where the Federal re s e rv e banks themselves might not make the loan. There ensued a g e n e ra l d iscu ssion in the course o f which the dangers as w e ll as the advantages in th is new proposal were emphasized. The dangers s p e c ia lly mentioned were the danger o f the Reserve banks being c a lle d upon to make r is k y loans, and the danger of the Reserve System becoming to o g r e a tly in volved in the commercial banking business* Governor Meyer and others suggested th a t i t would probably be necessary fo r many o f the Reserve banks to employ a d d itio n a l people s p e c ia lly q u a lifie d to ca rry Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 6 through su c c e s s fu lly the work in volved in th is proposal. There was discussion of a te n ta tiv e d r a ft o f regu la tion s coverin g th is p ro visio n which had been prepared by the s t a f f o f the Board. In response to a qu estion Governor Meyer said that the Board did not propose to approve each loan but ra th er to authorize the Reserve banks to make such loans t o r a sta ted p e rio d . A ft e r discussion i t was agreed that th is p rovision does not authorize loans to nonmember banks since these banks, which have access to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, could not o f f e r s a t is fa c t o r y proof th at they were unable to secure loans elsewhere, and in view a ls o o f the tech n ical wording o f the p ro v is io n . With regard to a p o ssib le lim it a t io n o f the amount o f a loan which a Reserve bank might make to any one borrower, i t was the concensus o f view that 1 per cent o f the p a id -in c a p ita l was too narrow a lim it a t io n , and i t was f e l t that a proper lim ita tio n ?/ould be that no loan to a s in g le borrower should be la r g e r than 1 per cent o f the p a id -in c a p ita l and surplus o f the lending Federal re s e rv e bank except with the consent o f the Federal Reserve Board. There was considerable discussion as to the r a te which should be charged on these loans, and i t was agreed that there should be some f l e x i b i l i t y o f rate both by reason o f d iffe re n c e s in l o c a l i t y and d iffe r e n c e s in the character o f the r is k . I t appeared to be the gen era l view o f the governors that the most p r a c t ic a l plan would be to have a minimum and a maximum r a te fix e d by each Federal reserve bank su bject to review and determ ination by tho Federal Reserve Board w ith in which a ra te f o r each loan might be determined by the ad m in istra tive o ffic e r s * G en erally speaking i t was f e l t that the ra te charged should correspond with the going rata charged by commercial banks. Governor Meyer suggested that w eekly rep orts from the Reserve banks show ing in a general way the amount and kind o f business a c tu a lly done under th is p ro v is io n and the assistan ce rendered to applican ts in obtain in g accommodations from other banking in s titu tio n s would be u sefu l in en ablin g the Board to keep informed Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority £ 1 @ J O $ O f 7 as to progress being made. This was g e n e r a lly agreed to by those present and i t was a ls o suggested that th ere should be another meeting b efo re long to compare notes. There was some discussion o f the dom icile o f loans and i t was suggested that no ru le be adopted on th is question at the s t a r t , le a v in g i t to the Federal Reserve Banks to work out p a r tic u la r cases between themselves. There was some discussion o f the purchase o f trade acceptances under th is p ro visio n but i t was g e n e ra lly agreed that the requirement f o r s e c u rity under the new law made i t d i f f i c u l t to handle trade acceptances under th is p ro visio n but th at they could best be handled under the present law. The governors present requested that the F ederal Reserve Boardf s s t a f f should draw up te n ta tiv e forms fo r use in adm inistering th is p ro visio n . Governor Meyer emphasized the opportunity th a t th is p ro v is io n o ffe r e d f o r the Reserve banks to e x e rc is e a p o s itiv e in flu en ce in making funds a v a ila b le fo r business. The jo in t conference adjourned at 12:35, The governors present then reconvened as a govern ors1 conference, Governor Calkins p re s id in g , A rep o rt of the standing canm ittee on c o lle c t io n s was presented, and upon motion, adopted, w ith the understanding th at p ra c tic e should be uniform throughout the System, Governor Fancher ra is e d a question as to the valu e o f the f i d e l i t y bonds now being c a rrie d by the System. This question was upon motion r e fe r r e d to the Insurance Committee. The meeting adjourned a t 12:45 p, m. W. R. Burgess, S ecreta ry, DECLASSI FI Fn Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives Authority / 3 3 5 , ' C : 2. * MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMXITEE OF THE O lffl MARKET POLICY CONSSRlffCE mmsn/LY, JUNE 16, 1932, NSW YORK, N. Y. > * / ' The m eeting was c a lle d to order at 10:45 a. m ., there being present: From the Federal Reservo Board Governor Meyer and Mr, Magee From the Federal reserve banks Governor H arrison, chairman, and Governors Young, N o rris , Black, and MeDougal, and Deputy Governor Burgess, se c re ta ry . Governor Harrison reviewed the changes which had taken place in fo r e ig n accounts, the movement o f g o ld in recent weeks, and the changes in short time fo r e ig n funds in the New York market. / There ensued a gen era l discussion o f the over-th e-cou n ter payments o f gold coin by the d iffe r e n t Reserve banks, in which i t was brought out th at w h ile these payments had become h e a v ie r during May and the f i r s t week in June th ey had in the past few days beoome much lig h t e r . The p relim in a ry memorandum and the s e c r e ta r y 's rep ort o f open market operation s were presented and read by thost> present. The question was then ra is e d as to the extent o f fu tu re purchases o f government s e c u r it ie s , f i r s t , as to whether th ey should be continued, and second, as to what should be the o b je c tiv e . Governor Harrison pointed out the d i f f i c u l t y o f d ecid in g on the o b je c tiv e each week by telephone, and suggested in stead that i t might be b e tte r to endeavor to maintain the excess reserves o f member banks at a fig u r e somewhere between $250,000,000 and #300,000,000 u n t il there was some ex pansion o f c r e d it which would make i t d e sira b le to recon sid er the program. With the g o ld export movement reduced, i t would probably be p o ssib le t o m aintain sub s ta n tia l excess reserves w ith sm aller purchases than in the p a st, though th ere were l i k e l y to be con sid erab le swings frcan week to week. 3 3 Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 Governor N o rris ra ised the question about what might have to be done to deal w ith window d ressin g and p o ssib le disturbances to the market in connection w ith the mid^year adjustments* The fo llo w in g proposal was then discussed: (1 ) That u n t il fu rth er n otice s u ffic ie n t purchases o f government s e c u r itie s should be made to keep excess reserves o f member banks at a fig u re between ^250,000,000 and $300,000,000# (2 ) That the system should continue to show an increase from week to week in t o t a l holdings o f government s e c u r itie s in order to avoid the c re a tio n o f a fe e lin g th at the p o lic y o f the system had been changed, but that such increases should be in amounts as small as might be, to preserve these excess reserves,-a n d take care o f s p e c ia l co n d itio n s a r is in g from week to week*. (3 ) That in the caning week i t appeared that th is purpose might b6 accomplished by sm aller purchases, bull at the end o f June the Reserve banks should be prepared to do whatever was necessary to meet the s itu a tio n . This proposal was agreed to unanimously by the members o f the committee! Governor Young p o in tin g out that he was v o tin g as a member o f the committee to adm inister the p o lic y determined by the Open Market P o lic y Conference ra th er than as a rep re s e n ta tiv e o f h is own d i s t r i c t opin ion . There ensued an inform al discussion o f discount r a te s , s a la r ie s and other m atters* The m eeting adjourned at 1:00 p. m* / The meeting reconvened at 3;15 p. m ., there being present Fran the F ederal Reserve Board Hr. Magee, From the Federal reserve banks Governors N o r r is , B lack, and McDougal, and Deputy Governor B uigcss. There was an inform al review o f the d is trib u tio n o f government secur i t i e s among the severa l Federal reserve banks. I t was pointed out that a number o f the banks were lim ite d by r e l a t i v e l y low reserve percentages from taking th e ir Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority E r A / O ^ O j 3 f u l l quota o f p a r tic ip a tio n in System purchases, and the Hew York bank had found i t necessary to absorb a con siderably la r g e r amount o f governments than i t s own share* S everal o f the Reserve banks had suggested that some basis o f allotm ent be explored other than that cu rre n tly used, which was put in to e f f e c t a t a time when variou s Reserve banks were fin d in g d i f f i c u l t y in making s u ffic ie n t earnings. I t was agreed that the s e c re ta ry would prepare a number of ta b le s show ing how the p a r tic ip a tio n s would work out on s e v e ra l d iffe re n t*fo rm u la e . The meeting adjourned at 3:30 p. m. W. R. Burgess S ecreta ry Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority E o , !o9oj MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE JOINT CONFERENCE OF THE FEDERAL RESW E BOARD AND THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE TUESDAY, MAY 17, 1932, WASHINGTON, D. C. The meeting was c a lle d to order a t 10:15 a. m ,, there being present; From the F ederal Reserve Board Governor Meyer and Messrs. Hamlin, James, Magee, M ille r , and P o le , From the Federal Reserve Board s t a f f Messrs, H arrison , M o r r ill, Goldenweiser, W yatt, Smead, and M cC lelland, From the Federal reserve banks Governor H arrison, chairman, Governors Young, Fancher, Seay, Black, McDougal, M artin, Geery, McKinney, and C alkin s, and Deputy Governors Burgess, s e c re ta ry , and W orthington. The prelim in ary memorandum and the s e c re ta ry ’ s rep o rt o f operation s were submitted and read. Governor Meyer reported on the volume o f operation s o f the Reconstructio n Finance Corporation, Governor Meyer discussed b r i e f l y the apparent re s u lts o f the program o f purchases agreed upon at the meeting o f A p r il 12 and in d icated that the e ffe c tiv e n e s s o f the op eration was impaired somewhat by disturbances which had taken p la c e , including passage by the House o f the Goldsborough B i l l , which had occasioned an unfavorable rea ctio n in Europe and some go ld w ithdrawals. A t th is poin t Governor H arrison reported on the withdrawals o f fo r e ig n balances, in d ic a tin g th at the amounts remaining had been reduced markedly in recent months. At 10:40 Governor N o rris entered the m eeting. Governor Meyer in d icated the.t i t was the fe e lin g in Washington that the program had been g e n e ra lly w e ll re c e iv e d and had worked as w e ll as could be expected under unusual circum stances. Governor H arrison said that w hile in the public mind the success o f the program had not been demonstrated because the downward movement in p ric e s Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 and business had not been stopped, the re s u lts were important and included a reduction o f debt by the member banks a t the Reserve banks, and a change in the bank a ttitu d e about loans and investm ents. G enerally speaking the bankers had rec e iv e d the program fa vo ra b ly and the d eclin e in bank c r e d it appeared to have been checked. The p rin c ip a l New York C ity banks had begun buying bonds, although re s tra in e d by fe a r o f adverse le g is la t io n . Their excess o f reserves had only been su b stan tial fo r three or four weeks. He b e lie v e d purchases should be con- t inue d• Governor Meyer c a lle d f o r an expression o f views from the governors and p a r tic u la r ly requested some comment on the question as to whether i t would be h e lp fu l to have the Reserve Board c a l l a meeting o f banks and business men or perhaps to have meetings in the d iffe r e n t d is t r ic t s which might p o ssib ly be attended by some re p re s e n ta tiv e o f the Board f o r the purpose o f discussing means fo r p u ttin g to use funds made a v a ila b le by the Reserve banks. Governor Black said that the c h ie f value o f the program up to this p oin t appeared to have been in the preven tion o f d i f f i c u l t i e s . He in d icated that banking con d ition s were much improved in h is d i s t r i c t by reason o f the ? operation s o f the Reconstruction Finance C orporation, but he b e lie v e d that p o s it iv e a ctio n should be taken to g e t the cooperation o f member banks, The Reserve System had been p layin g too much o f a lone game and had not been s u f f i c ie n t ly in a p o s itio n o f lea d ersh ip . Meetings in d iffe r e n t cen ters might be h e lp fu l in g e ttin g cooperation and in d ealin g with excessive fe a r and r e s t r ic tio n o f c r e d it . He favored continuation o f the program o f purchases. He in d icated a lso that business men and bankers were w aitin g on Congressional a c tio n b efo re going ahead. He would be glad to have a member o f the Reserve Board come to h is d i s t r i c t fo r a m eeting. Governor Geery stated th at he f e l t very w e ll s a t is fie d w ith the re s u lts o f the program to d a te r con sid erin g the handicaps. He b e lie v e d i t would be a mis take to stop* that the program should be continued u n t il given a f a i r t r i a l , and Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority E o . / Q ^ O j 3 that considerable re s u lts should not be expected w ith in n in ety days. The s e n ti ment o f h is d i s t r i c t uras fa vo ra b le towards the program. Governor Seay said that the most notable e f f e c t of the program had been a check in the d eclin e o f bank d ep osits, and loans and investments. He had some question as to ju st how fa r the system should go or could s a fe ly go in view o f the one-year lim ita tio n o f S ection 3 o f the Glass S te a g a ll B i l l . He a lso f e l t that there was so much d iv e r s it y o f opinion among bankers that not much could be gained by attem pting to lead the bankers. Mr. M ille r stated that he b e lie v e d the best way to assure extension o f Section 3 o f the Glass S te a g a ll B i l l beyond a year was to use th is p ro v is io n w isely and V igorou sly, and that in the la s t a n a lysis the Federal Reserve Board incurred the major r e s p o n s ib ilit y fo r the use o f th is p ro v is io n . He emphasized the r e s p o n s ib ility o f the Reserve System f o r e x e rc is in g lead ersh ip at th is tim e. Governor Young s%id that the Reconstruction Finance Corporation had done a remarkable work in h is d i s t r i c t , that i t ap p lied the sa lve where the sore was. He b e lie v e d i t was s t i l l too e a rly to see the good or bad e ff e c t s o f Federal re serve a c tio n . He b e lie v e d th at each Reserve bank should take i t s f u l l propor tio n o f the t o t a l s e c u r itie s which had been purchased. Governor Calkins said he b e lie v e d thp a ctio n taken was ju s t i f i e d and the r e s u lts were a l l that could be looked fo r , though i t is not y e t p o s s ib le to judge the success o f the o p era tio n . He was in sympathy with Governor Black in p r in c ip le but saw the d i f f i c u l t i e s o f the prop osal. Bank morale was g e n e r a lly so low that & m eeting o f bankers might w e ll cause alarm. G en erally speaking, he b e lie v e d that we were s t i l l dealing with a p sych o lo gica l condition.. The question was whether i t was d e s ira b le fo r the System to apply i t s lead ersh ip through it s operations or through admonitions. He was in sympathy with anything which could p r a c t ic a lly be done, but in h is own d i s t r i c t has found g re a te s t success in deal ing with in d ivid u a ls ra th er than working through conferences# Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 4 Mr. M ille r suggested that there was no adequate program. was s t i l l thinking in terms o f s a f e t y ra th er than resumption. resumption was reeessary. The country A program o f He b e lie v e d th is could best be brought about by summon ing to Washington a n a tion a l group rep resen tin g industry as w e ll as bankers to form ulate a program. Governor Martin reported th at in the eigh th d i s t r i c t loans and in v e s t ments of banks were s t i l l goinc- down, though d ep osits were perhaps showing some s t a b iliz a t io n . The banks had stood the lo s s o f deposits w e ll, and the Reccnstruc tio n Finance Corporation had been very h e lp fu l* He b e lie v e d the program f o r the purchase o f governments had shown r e l a t i v e l y l i t t l e e f f e c t in the eighth d i s t r i c t Deputy Governor Worthington stated that the opinion o f the Kansas C ity bank was in general accord w ith the statement o f Governor Calkins. The d ire c to rs o f the bank were somewhat doubtful and relu cta n t as to the program, but expected to continue to do t h e ir share. The operation s of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation had been most h e lp fu l. Governor Fancher stated that the p o lic y had been w ell re ceived in his d is tr ic t, that he had hoped f o r a broader e f f e c t , but th ere had been variou s h in drances to the e ffe c tiv e n e s s o f the p o lic y . Through th is program and through the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, banks had been helped to reduce th e ir debt, and the higher p r ic e of government bonds had enabled banks to s e ll some o f th e ir bonds. He b e lie v e d the f i n a l disposal of b i l l s now before Congress would be a g re a t help to the e ffe c tiv e n e s s o f the program and th e r e a fte r meetings o f bankers might be h e lp fu l. The time had been too short fo r the f i l l e f f e c t o f the program I t should be continued, though he had some question as to the scale o f future purchases. Governor N o rris said he did not b e lie v e that the d i f f i c u l t y was p r i m a rily a c r e d it o r currency d i f f i c u l t y , and th e re fo re there were lim it s to the e ffe c tiv e n e s s o f the F ederal reserve program in dealing w ith the s itu a tio n , but since the program had been begun i t could not be abandoned# Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 5 Governor McDougal stated that c re d it extended by the R econstruction Finance Corporation to banks in the Seventh Federal Reserve D is t r ic t had been tim ely and i;ould undoubtedly save a good many o f the d is tre s s e d banks, but that w hile the gen era l banking s itu a tio n throughout the d i s t r i c t looked better# u n fortu n ately many banks, through impairment o f t h e ir c a p ita l stru ctu re, are s t i l l in a very weak p o s itio n . With resp ect to open market p o lic y * he stated that the member banks in Chicago were carryin g about $70,000,000 o f excess r e s e rv e s , the System as a whole approxim ately $265,000,000, and suggested that purchases o f Government s e c u r itie s be slowed down somewhat u n t il these la rg e excess reserves wore put to work. Governor McKinney in d icated that Governor Black had o u tlin ed much the same p o s itio n as the D allas bank held* He doubted whether the proceeds o f purchases had reached the eleventla d i s t r ic t much, but he b e lie v e d the open market program reassu rin g. He b e lie v e d that the Federal Reserve System should d iv id e the r e s p o n s ib ilit y o f leadersh ip among the bankers, but was doubtful o f the d e s ir a b ilit y o f b rin gin g in oth ers than bankers. Governor Meyer ra ised the question whether i t might not be p ossib le to do something about cotton and w ool, and there ensued some discussion on th is p o in t, Governor Calkins suggesting that something might be accomplished by making c r e d it a v a ila b le f o r carryin g w ool. At 12:40 S ecretary M ills entered the m eeting. There ensued a discussion with regard to the p o s s ib ilit y o f some pro gram by which meetings might be c a lle d o f business men and bankers to develop a program o f resumption and reemployment* Mr. Hamlin, a ft e r agreeing w ith Mr. M ille r as to the d e s ir a b ilit y Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ] T , Q / 0 £ 0 / 6 o f having a conference in Washington, stated that he would lik e to have a survey made in each Federal reserve d i s t r i c t with the view to b rin gin g about cooperation between banks and borrowers. He stated that th ere was undoubtedly much con stru ction work which not only could but should be under taken at the present time and that w hile th is might not produce paper . e l i g i b l e fo r rediscount by the Federal reserve banks, i t would tend to lessen unemployment and such paper could in an emergency be taken care o f by the F ed eral reserve banks. Governor Meyer expressed the opinion that needs fo r con stru ction and o p p ortu n ities f o r in d u s tria l a c t i v i t y undoubtedly e x is t in d iffe r e n t communities o f the various Federal reserve d i s t r i c t s , and, as an illu s t r a t io n , advised the conference o f a recen t p rop osal, in v o lv in g the construction o f about two hundred medium-priced homes in W estchester County, New York, which had not been put in to e f f e c t because o f the lack o f c r e d it f a c i l i t i e s . He stated that the Reconstruction Finance Corporation could not handle the m atter under the law, but that he had c a lle d i t to the a tte n tio n o f some people in New York, through the C orporation’ s loan agency, with the r e s u lt that arrangements f o r the necessary fin an cin g are being made. Governor Harrison reported h is experience in ta lk in g w ith groups o f bankers in New York and indicated that the p rin c ip a l d i f f i c u l t y in pro curing a program o f a ffir m a tiv e a c tio n was the u n certain ty created by the s itu a tio n in Congress. There was general agreement that each Reserve bank should study the problems in it s l o c a l i t y w ith a v ie w o f securing cooperation toward b rin gin g about a wider use o f the c r e d it now being made a v a ila b le * Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 7 The meeting adjourned at 1:05 p. m. At 2 :SO the meeting o f the Open Market P o lic y Conference recon vened, th ere being present: Governor H arrison, chairman, Governors Young, N o rris , Fancher, Seay, Black, McDougal, Mfcrtin, Geery, McKinney, and C alkins, Deputy Governors Burgess, s ecreta ry , and Worthington. Governor McDougal r e fe r r e d again to the d i f f i c u l t i e s in the banking s itu a tio n and stated that he b e lie v e d i t necessary fo r the Reserve System to avoid d is s ip a tin g it s resources so as to be in a p o s itio n to meet any s itu a tio n which might a r is e . He hoped no program would be adopted s p e c ify in g in advance a d e fin it e amount o f s e c u r itie s to be purchased from week to week. There fo llo w ed a discussion o f the reallotm en t o f purchases made since A p r il 12, and i t was Moved and c a rrie d that i t was the sense o f the conference that a l l Reserve banks should p a r tic ip a te in the usual r a tio s to the exten t allow ed by t h e ir res e rv e p o s itio n s in a l l purchases made f o r the System open market account since ^ p r il 12, A motion to extend th is reallotm en t to a l l system holdings o f government s e c u r itie s was d efea ted . Governor Calkins poin ted out that the Federal Reserve Bank o f San Francisco could not y e t take it s share under the mechanism o f the Federal Reserve Board’ s plan o f using government s e c u r itie s as c o lla t e r a l, but he hoped that m atter would be adjusted. The following resolution was then moved and c a r r ie d , Governors McDougal and Young voting in the negative: " A ft e r discussion o f c r e d it , banking and business condi tio n s and the e ffe c t s o f the System’ s Open Market Operations on those con dition s in recen t weeks, i t was vo ted , subject to the approval o f the Federal Reserve Board, to au th orize the Executive Committee o f the Open Market P o lic y Conference to continue the purchase o f Government s e c u r itie s fo r System account as may seem a d visab le from week to week but not to exceed an aggregate o f $500,000,000 without another meeting o f the Open Market P o lic y Conference*" Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 8 This re s o lu tio n was then transm itted to the Federal Reserve Board. There fo llo w ed some fu rth er gen eral discussion o f methods o f fo llo w in g up the p o lic y by meetings o f bankers and in other ways, and i t appeared to be the concensus o f view that a meeting o f a la rg e group in Washington would be o f doubtful value at th is tim e, and that i t would be d e s ira b le in each d i s t r i c t to consider means for making the p o lic y e f f e c t i v e * Governor Meyer entered the meeting and reported that the Federal Reserve Board had approved the r e s o lu tio n . He suggested that purchases under the re s o lu tio n should be made at a somewhat slower ra te than had been fo llo w ed in recent weeks* He then l e f t the meeting a ga in . There was some discussion o f discount r a te s , without any conclusion being reached* i t was recognized that the qu antity o f c r e d it was a t present the most iiranediate con sid eration * Governor Calkins said the Federal Reserve Board has suggested the appointment o f a committee from the Reserve banks t o work with a committee o f the Board in making a thorough and d iscrim in a tin g study o f American acceptance p r a c tic e . He proposed the appointment o f a committee c o n s is tin g o f Mr. Kenzel o f New York, Mr. McKay o f Chicago, and Mr. Clerk o f San Francisco. There was general agreement with th is a c tio n . Governor Young reported th at there.w ould be a meeting on Wednesday morning o f the committee o f governors to discuss the Glass B i l l , and the commit te e would be glad to have any other governors jo in them. At 4:40 the fo llo w in g members and s t a f f o f the Federal Reserve Board again entered the m eeting. From the Federal Reserve Board Governor Meyer, and Messrs. Hamlin, James, M ille r and Magee, From the F ederal Reserve Board s t a f f Messrs, H arrison , M o r r ill, Goldenweiser# W yatt, Smead, and M cClelland. There was an inform al discu ssion o f Federal re s e rv e s a la r ie s . At 4;50 S ecreta ry M ills entered the m eeting. ^ ^ — Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives — ■ l* r L; ' ' "' " ' 1! ■ DECLASSIFIED Authority E O . I O ^ O ) 9 Governor Meyer indicated th a t the m a jo rity o f the Board appeared to favor some so rt o f public statement concerning the fin d in g s o f the Conference, and there ensued a general discussion o f th e d e s ir a b ilit y o f making some s ta te ment. Governor H arrison said that he b e lie v e d a statement was u n d esirab le, f i r s t , because i t set a bad^/precedent; second, because i t was d i f f i c u l t to make a statement without making an undue commitment and th ir d , i t was always d i f f i c u l t to secure agreement on any form o f statem ent. He f e l t that Governor Meyer1s appearance on Wednesday morning before the Senate Committee on Banking and Currency would fu rn ish an opportunity f o r an adequate statement which would be more e f f e c t i v e and le s s dangerous than a prepared statement issued by the Conference, S everal forms o f statement were then read and discussed a t len gth . I t was moved and carried by the Open Market P o lic y Conference th at some statement be issued. A ft e r fu rth e r extended discussion i t was voted that s short form o f statement be used rath er than a lon ger form, end a f t e r s t i l l fu rth er discussion the fo llo w in g statement was approved by a m a jo rity o f the Conference. ’’The Governors o f the Federal reserve banks met to-day with the Federal Reserve Board and i t was decided to continue open market operations by the purchase o f government s e c u r itie s , the exten t and amount to be d eter mined from time to time as con d ition s j u s t i f y . " The meeting adjourned a t 6:05 p. m. W» Randolph Burgess, S ecreta ry . Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority b M eeting o f j o i n t c o n fe r e n c e o f th e FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD AND THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE TUESDAY, A p r il IE, 1932, WASHINGTON, D. C. }> b. -? 4 ^ * - ^ tf / ' ^ ' The m eeting was c a lle d to ord er a t 10:20 a. m. w ith Governor Meyer in the Chair. Those present were Governor Meyer, Messrs. Hamlin, M ille r , James, and Magee, and Governors Yo\*ng, H arrison, N o r r is , Fancher, Seay, McDougal, M artin, Geery, Hamilton, McKinney, and Calkins, Messrs. Goldenwedser, M o r r ill, M cClelland, Floyd H arrison and Smead, and Mr. Burgess, s e c re ta ry . The prelim inarjr memorandum on c r e d it con d ition s and the s e c r e ta r y ’ s r e p o rt o f operations were presented. Governor Meyer reviewed the open market program which had been pursued since February 24, the return o f currency frcm c ir c u la tio n , progress in the a rre s t o f bank fa ilu r e s , and the len d in g program o f the R econstruction Corporation. He reviewed also the changes in business and the c r e d it s itu a tio n , in d ic a tin g th at the d eclin e in c r e d it volume and the d eclin e in business and p ric e s had not stopped. He c a lle d a tte n tio n , m erely as a m atter o f in form ation , to the fa c t that a re s o lu tio n had been o ffe r e d in the Senate asking the Federal Reserve Board to s ta te i t s program fo r d ea lin g with the s itu a tio n and to in d ica te any le g is la t io n necessary. Consideration o f th is re s o lu tio n had been postponed. Reserve Board f e l t He stated that the Federal that the Reserve System could now undertake to do more toward a id in g in the recovery than i t had y e t done, and that he b elie v e d the time had come when the System might be expected to use it s powers more f u l l y in an e f f o r t to stop the c re d it d e c lin e . Dr. M ille r s ta te d that a c r i t i c a l point had been reached in the c re d it s itu a tio n , th at n e a rly every other reasonable expedient had been t r ie d and exhaust ed, but that the f u l l fo r c e o f F ederal re s e rv e a ctio n had not yet been exerted 3 3 3 t~ c~ Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 and he believed the tim© had come to use the resources of the System courageously. Mr. Hamlin sta ted h is agreement with Governor Meyer and Dr. M ille r . Mr. James ra ised a number o f qu estion s as to the p o s s ib le consequences o f buying government s e c u r itie s . Mr. Magee in d icated the n e c e s s ity f o r an increase in a g r ic u ltu r a l p r ic e s . There ensued a gen era l d iscu ssion , in the course o f which Governor Seay emphasized the n e c e s s ity f o r ga in in g the cooperation o f the banks in any program adopted. Governor Young questioned whether purchases o f governments which p ile d up reserves in tiie centers would r e s u lt in the d is tr ib u tio n o f these funds to other p a rts o f the country. He was s k e p tic a l o f g e ttin g the cooperation o f the banks w ithout which success appeared d i f f i c u l t , and was apprehensive that a program o f th is s o rt would develop the anim osity o f many bankers, and was apprehensive also that an. ex ten sive program o f purchases o f government s e c u r itie s would impair the confidence o f the p u b lic in the Reserve banks. He c ite d the experience o f 1931 as an in d ic a tio n o f the f u t i l i t y o f government purchases. Governor Meyer responded th at the d i f f i c u l t y la s t summer was that con fid en ce was impaired by the German co lla p se and by the B r itis h departure from the gold basis; so that any program adopted was n egatived. He b e lie v e d th at to-d ay the country was in a more fa v o ra b le p o s itio n to take advantage o f funds made a v a i l ab le. He b e lie v e d th at a stron g program would in sp ire more confidence than d is tru s t, and did not b e lie v e that there would be seriou s op p osition by banks. Governor H arrison stated that he b e lie v e d that in the present s itu a tio n the banks were much more in te re s te d in a vo id in g p ossib le lo s s e s than in augmenting th e ir current income, and that th e ir a ttitu d e had changed grad u ally since la s t year in the face o f the shrinkage in va lu e s . Governor Meyer s ta te d th at he b e lie v e d a stron g program would quicken the currency return and might make i t unnecessary to complete the program. Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ^ ' Q . f O G o j . 3 He a lso in d ica ted the g rea t value in a unanimous program in v/hich the e n tir e Reserve System took p a rt. S ecreta ry M ills who had entered the m eeting a f t e r i t had begun stated that he b e lie v e d a g re a t duty now rested on the Federal Reserve System; that Congress and the A dm inistration had done a l l they could in developing rem edial ac tio n , and yet d e te r io r a tio n was taking place s t e a d ily . For a g re a t c e n tra l banking system to stand by w ith a 70% g o ld reserve 'without takin g a c tiv e steps in such a s itu a tio n was almost in con ceivab le and almost u n fo rg iv a b le . The resources o f th© System should be put to work on a sca le commensurate with the e x is tin g emergency. At 11:50 the members and s t a f f o f the Federal Reserve Board l e f t the m eeting, and a t 11:55 i t reconvened as an Open Market P o lic y Conference, Governor Harrison p re s id in g . I t was moved and c a rrie d that the prelim inary memorandum and the S ecreta ry ’ s re p o rt be received and incorporated in the record s. Governor Harrison ra ised question o f the condition o f banks in va rio u s d is t r ic t s and sta ted that in the second d i s t r i c t the con dition o f the banks was on the whole worse than i t had been, due to bond d ep recia tion and to impairment o f value o f loans h e re to fo re considered prime. Bank fa ilu r e s were being avoided by- len ien cy on the part o f the examining a u th o ritie s and by the a c t i v i t i e s o f the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. Governor McDougal in d ica ted that the same was true in h is d i s t r i c t , what was most u rg en tly required was a turn in basic commodity p ric e s , and and e s p e c ia l l y p ric e s o f corn and liv e s to c k , and an improvement in the s e c u rity markets. Governor McKinney in d ica ted that s im ila r conditions e x is te d in h is d is tr ic t. What was requ ired was not so much a la r g e amount o f money as a change in mental a ttitu d e . Governor Calkins a ls o in d ica ted that he b e lie v e d the problem was m ainly p s y c h o lo g ic a l. Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority E ' f r / O Z O j These view s were g e n e r a lly assented by the other governors, who agreed that the s itu a tio n requ ired a ction o f some so rt. Governor Harrison sta ted that he b e lie v e d the only p r a c tic a l program was a dramatic purchase o f government s e c u r itie s . were ready to cooperate in such a program. He b e lie v e d that the member banks The u n certa in ty as to the budget and bonus le g is la t io n had c o n stitu ted ob stacles to inaugurating such a program, but he b e lie v e d th at the outlook in these d ire c tio n s was h op efu l, and th a t i t would not be p o s s ib le o r necessary to w ait u n t il these two qu estion s were com pletely solved . Governor Calkins ra ised the question whether a p o lic y o f th is -s o r t would be fo llo w ed by la r g e fo r e ig n withdrawals o f funds, and Governor Harrison r e p lie d that there might be some withdrawals but he did not b e lie v e these would be s u f f i c ie n t to prove embarrassing. Governor McDougal ra is e d the question whether the Reserve System could r e ta in the confidence of the p u b lic a ft e r inaugurating a p o lic y o f th is sort., ¥tfiich was in some measure in fla t io n a r y , p a r t ic u la r ly since i t in vo lved the use o f government s e c u r itie s as c o lla t e r a l f o r Federal reserve notes. Governor H arrison c ite d the p ra c tic e o f fo r e ig n countries in using gov ernments as c o lla t e r a l f o r currency, in d ic a tin g th at the p ra c tic e was qu ite gen era l. ■S In the course o f discussion i t appeared to be the concensus that i f the program was undertaken i t should be a system m atter in v o lv in g the use o f s e c tio n 3 o f the G la ss-S tea g a ll b i l l . There was some inform al discussion o f discount ra tes and the opinion was expressed that the present s itu a tio n was very l i t t l e in flu en ced by ra te s but was more la r g e ly influenced by the supply o f money. Governor Harrison then presented the fo llo w in g re s o lu tio n : Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority That*- subject to approval of the Federal Reserve Board the Executive Committee be authorized to purchase up to #600,000,000 of government securities in addition to the unexpired authority granted at the meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference on February 24, and that these pur chases, at least in the initial weeks, should be at a rate as rapid as may be practicable and if possible should amount to 100 million in the current statement week. L This resolution was adopted by a vote of 10 to 1, Governor Young voting in the negative. There ensued discussion as to the desirable policy to be pursued in mak ing general use immediately of Section 3 of the Glass-Steagall bill* It was agreed that no written resolution on that subject should be submitted to the Federal Reserve Board, but that the opinion of the governors should be stated orally that an early use of this section of the bill would be desirable as a means of securing widespread system participation in purchases. There was some discussion of publicity in connection with the program of ^ purchases of government securities, and Governor Harrison indicated that he was c « appearing before a sub-committee of the House on the Goldsborough Bill on Wednesday, and it would probably be necessary for him to make some reference to J the program at that time. i l After some informal discussion of the status of the Glass Bill the meet ing adjourned at 1:30 p„ m. The Open Market Policy Conference reconvened at 2:43, there being present the following: Governors Young, Harrison, Norris, Seay, Fancher, McDougal, Geery, Martin, Hamilton, McKinney, Calkins, and Deputy Governor Burgess. Governor Harrison called attention to the fact that when the new organiza tion of the Open Market Policy Conference was adopted it was decided that there should be rotation in the membership of the executive committee, and that a year had passed since any change in that committee had been made. It was agreed that tho principle of rotation should be continued, but that the present committee membership m Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 6 should be continued for another year. At three o*clock the meeting reconvened as a joint conference of the Federal Reserve Board and the Open Market Policy Conference, and the following entered the meeting: Governor Meyer, Secretary Mills, Messrs. James, Pole, Hamlin, Magee and Miller, members of the Federal Reserve Board, and Messrs. Goldenweiser, Smead, McClelland and Floyd Harrison, of the Board's staff* Governor Meyer reported that the Federal Reserve Board had approved the resolution adopted by the conference* Governor Harrison reported that the governors felt that the program should be widely participated in, which would involve an early exercise of section 3 of the Glass-Steagall bill. The governors believed that a general participation by the Reserve banks would assist psychologically in making the purchases effective. Governor Meyer suggested that whatever danger there was in the program lay in the possible interpretation that it was inflationary. From this point of view the danger might be lessened if the first large purchases of bonds did not take place simultaneously with the first use of Section 3 of the Glass-Steagall bill. While the use of that provision would be necessa^ before long the psychological effect might be better if the two events were separated by a reason able period of time. There ensued a discussion of the free gold position of different Reserve banks, on the basis of which it appeared that there was sufficient free gold at present, particularly if further steps were taken in reducing the amount of Feder&J reserve notes outstanding but not issued, to enable most of the banks to partici pate in p ( ' - - - - - - £0r ^ w00k or -two. that the additional purchases of securities to be Aade during the current statement week u n d ^ ^ t i ^ p ^ g j r ^ ^ ^ h ^ had been adopted could, if necessary, be absorbed by se banks having considerable. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority their boards of directors next week *s purchases should b© participated in by all Federal reserve banks to whatever extent might be practicable in view of their respective free gold posi* tiOns, and beginning with the third or fourth week of the program, each Federal reserve bank should take its pro rata share of securities purchased, it being understood that when the necessity therefor developed the Federal Reserve Board would act promptly upon request from the banks for authority to pledge government securities with the Federal reserve agents as collateral for Federal reserve notes. The conference was interrupted for a brief meeting of the executive committee which voted that the program of purchasing governments should start immediately, and that in accordance with the resolution orders should be placed at once for $75,000,000 of government securities for delivery April 13, to bring the purchases in that statement week to a total of $100*000,000, The meeting of the joint conference was resumed and Governor Harrison pointed out that the success of the program depended on the use of excess reserves by macaber banks, and raised the question of what and how much should be done by the Reserve banks in endeavoring to secure member bank cooperation. Generally speaking it seemed to him the wisest course for the Reserve System to carry out its own action vigorously but to leave the action of the member banks largely to their own initiative. Probably discussions with the banks would be desirable to point out the significance of the program and to get their understanding, but it probably would not be desirable to get definite commitments of cooperation from the member banks, because the success of the program depended so much upon a spirit of willing ness and a desire for profits on the part of the banks, which would arise best from their own initiative rather than from the Reserve banks* request. Br. Miller indicated that the idea of talking with bankers to interpret the program commended itself to him, and he suggested that the wise program would be first to acquaint the directors of the Reserve banks with the purposes to be Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 8 accomplished, and then to talk with key bankers not only in ths cities but outside also. There was general agreement on the part of those present on the desir ability of discussion of the Federal reserve program with member bankers. There ensued an informal discussion of the publicity which might bo desirable in connection with this program. It was agreed that a formal statement would not be desirable, but that some informal explanation of the increase in gov ernment securities might be desirable in order that it might not be interpreted as connected with some emergency in New York. The joint conference was adjourned at 4:37 p. m* At 4:45 the Open Market Policy Conference reconvened, there being present Governors Young, Harrison, Norris, Fancher, Seay, McDougal, Hamilton, Geery, and Deputy Governor Burgess. Governor Harrison shortly left the meeting. After discussion the following resolution was adopted with regard to the Glass Bill to be transmitted to the Federal Reserve Board and by it to the Senate Committee on Banking and Currency: "The Governors of the Federal Reserve Banks, sitting to-day as an Open Market Committee, have necessarily given consideration to Senate Bill No. 4115, and to the suggestions in reference thereto submitted by the Federal Reserve Board* "There are certain provisions in the bill which we think inadvisable, and certain others which are difficult of interpretation, and whose ultimate effect cannot be foreseen. Even the adoption by the Committee of all the suggestions sub mitted by your Board would not, in our opinion, entirely remove these difficulties. nWe cannot well discuss the bill in any communiciation of reasonable length. We respectfully request you, however, to communicate to the Banking and Currency Conmittee of the Senate, our unanimous concurrence in the opinion expressed by the Federal Advisory Council that the present is an inopportune time to inaugurate such changes in banking practice, and in the rela tions between the Federal Reserve Board, the Federal reserve banks, and the member banks, as are provided in this bill." The meeting adjourned at 5:25 p. m. W. Kandolph Burgess Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority MINUTES OF MEET IMG OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF TEE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE HELD AT THE OFFICE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK APRIL 5, 1932. 4j' / S 7- The meeting was called to order at 10:25 a. m., there being present Governor Harrison, chairman, Governors Young, Norris, Black, and McDougal, and Deputy Governor Burgess, secretary. A preliminary memorandum by the chairman and the secretary’s report were presented. Governor Harrison reviewed the current economic situation, the con tinued decline in prices, the increase in the pressure of debts, the increase in bankruptcies, and the threat of radical action in Congress. He reviewed in particular conversations with Senator Thomas with regard to a proposed bill for a soldier's bonus financed by the Federal reserve banks. He reported also recent conversations with member banks indicating that some change in lending policy was already taking place on the basis of funds made available through government purchases and the return of currency. After extended discussion of these questions it was moved and carried that purchases of government securities be continued at a rate of $25,000,000 a week as authorized by the program adopted at the meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference on February 24. This motion was carried unanimously, although two members of the committee explained that they voted in the affirmative in a ministerial capacity in carrying out the wishes of the open Market policy confer ence. While these two of the members of the conmittee were in general opposed to further purchases of government securities it appeared that purchases made up to this time had been followed by about as satisfactory results on the banking position as could be anticipated, and there seemed to be no new factor in the situation which would justify a discontinuance of the program adopted by the Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority fr/O ^ O j 2 full conference. It was further voted that a meeting of the Open Market Policy Confer ence should be called for April 12 in Washington to review the open market program, particularly with the object of considering the extent of the present program, both as to amount and duration, and deteimining whether, in view of current developments, a more comprehensive program should be adopted. The meeting adjourned at 12:45. W. Randolph Burgess Secretary Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF GOV7SNOES HELD AT WASHINGTON, D. C., FEBRUARY 24 and 25, 1932. February 24, 1952* ■ The meeting was called to order at 10:20 a* m . , Governor Meyer in the Qhair, there being present: From the Federal Beserve Board Secretary Mills, Governor Meyer, Messrs, Hamlin* James, Magee and Miller, Messrs, Floyd Harrison, Morrill, Goldenweiser, Wyatt and McClelland, From the Federal reserve banks Governors Young, Harrison, Norris, Fancher, Seay, Black, McDougal, Martin, Geei*y, Hamilton, McKinney> and Deputy Governor Burgess, (secretary pro tem), Governor Meyer indicated that with the Glass-Steagall bill in conference and likely to be acted upon in the immediate future, it seemed wise to have a meeting of the governors both for a consideration of general policy and a considera tion of the procedure to be adopted by the Federal Reserve System under the powers conferred by this bill* With respect to the provision of the bill for loans to groups of banks, Governors McDougal and Fancher suggested that the law would operate effectively in principal clearing house centers, but would prove difficult elsewhere# Governor Norris suggested that this clause would provide an additional impetus toward organ izing county clearing houses and thus towards developing group responsibility and group examinations# There ensued a general discussion of the provision of the bill for theuse of government securities as collateral for Federal reserve notes. Question was raised whether, if action were taken under this provision, it would be better to transfer a large block of government securities at once for use as collateral or whether it Would be better to do it gradually as each bank had need. With respect to publicity it seemed clear that it would be necessary because of the public interest in the matter to report separately the amount of government securi ties being used from time to time as collateral for Federal reserve notes. This Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ^ A /O ^ O j Z amount could in any event be computed from figures now published. A possible program suggested was that enough governments should be transferred to bring the free gold to $500,000,000, and that the free gold be kept at that figure. A (differing point of view was that it might be well to show the maximum of free gold \ at once. Another possibility suggested was that governments be transferred to collateral only as required by each bank. With reference to the general question of loans against collateral other than eligible paper, a number of the governors pointed out the dangers in the Federal Reserve System’s becoming loaded down with loans of this sort. From this point of view it was recognized that the provisions in the new Act should be ad ministered cautiously. It was pointed out by Dr. Miller that if loans on ineligible paper should make it possible for a bank to make eligible loans, eligible paper would thus be provided to repay the first loan. Mr. James, Governor Harrison, and others suggested that whatever regula tions were adopted should guard against the implication that the bill constituted in any sense a guaranty of deposits of member banks, and should safeguard the Reserve banks against becoming unduly loaded with ineligible paper, but that the regulations adopted should not be too rigid, because of great differences in bank ing conditions between different parts of the country and the lack of experience with loans of this sort which may make it necessary to modify the procedure from time to time. Both Governor Meyer and Dr. Miller pointed out that it must be assumed that the tide will turn some time; that the Reconstruction Finance Corporation was making loans upon that assumption; and that was a necessary assumption for Federal reserve operations. With regard to the relationship between loans by the Reserve banks and loans by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Governor Meyer suggested that cases rmr Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority jO^Oj 3 requiring loans for relatively short periods should be handled by the Federal Reserve System, and that cases where a longer time use of money was clearly hecessary should be handled by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. The meeting adjourned at 1:00 p. m . , to reconvene in the afternoon as an Open Market Policy Conference. The meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference was called to order at 2:40 p. jr., there being present Governors Young, Harrison (chairman), Norris, Seay, Fancher, McDougal, Martin, Gesry, Hamilton, McKinney, and Iteputy Governor Burgess, secretary. • There was farther informal discussion of the character of regulations which might be adopted to govern operations under Section 10(b) of the Glass-Steagall Bill in order to avoid having the Reserve banks loaded up with loans on ineligible paper. Suggestions to that purpose were that the discount rate upon these loans should be at least 2% above the discount rate, that no time note for a period longer than 90 days should be taken, that the collateral which might be taken should be defined in a regulation, that the aggregate advances made under the provision might well be limited to some percentage of the reserve deposits of the Federal reserve banks or to the total surplus. Governor Black suggested there was danger that limitations prescribed in regulations as to the amount of these loans might be construed as tending to de feat the purpose of the Congress, and would tend to interfere with the good psy chological effect produced by the passage of the bill# Governor Young stated that he believed that the group plan constituting Section 10(a) of the bill would r>ot prove effective since it would be impossible to organize groups of this sort. At 3:50 Governor Meyer entered the meeting, ana there was continued dis cussion of possible regulations and particularly of what rate should be -charged on advances under the bill. Governor Norris suggested that the rates charged on loans Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority K ^ / O ^ O j 4 made under Section 10(a) and 10(b) should probably be the same in order to avoid discriminating against country banks which would presumably borrow largely under provisions of 10(b) Governor Meyer indicated that something was to be said for a flat 5 1/2$ rate which would correspond to the rate now being charged by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation* At 4:06 p. m. , the Secretary of the Treasury and Messrs. Magee, Miller, Hamlin, James, Morrill, Wyatt, and McClelland entered the meeting. There ensued a general discussion of the regulations which might govern loans under 10(b) of the Glass-Steagall bill. The meeting then proceeded to a discussion of open market policy. Governor Harrison reviewed the action of the conference in January auth orizing the executive committee, if the occasion arose, to purchase up to $200,000,000 of government securities. He indicated that action had not been taken under that authorization, partly because various elements in the domestic program have developed more slowly than had been anticipated, partly because of gold with drawals to Europe, and partly because of the limited emount of free gold held by the System. These conditions were all being modified in a favorable direction at the present time, said the question might now be raised upon the merits whether it might be well to proceed with the program as originally planned. The important reason for considering action at this time was the continued rapid deflation of bank credit which was a seriously depressing influence on the whole business struc ture and the price level. Governor Meyer added that the question of buying government securities also related itself to hoarding; that it seemed unnecessary for the banking posi tion to be subjected to severe strain because of the funds withdrawn for hoarding, when the Reserve System under the new bill has the necessary power by the purchase of government securities to relieve the banks from some of their indebtedness to the Reserve banks. He said he did not believe that buying governments alone would Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 5 control the situation, but the operations of various favorable factors, including the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, would be aided by a gradual purchase of government securities which would help the banks to reduce their bills payable, and so lighten the pressure on the credit situation* The question was raised whether the purchase of governments in the centers would relieve the country banks which are most heavily in debt. Governor Meyer responded that he believed that the money pool was so liquid and money circulated so freely that purchases in the centers would at least in part relieve pressure in the interior. Governor Harrison pointed out that a Treasury program of selling obligations in the centers, the proceeds of which would be distributed by the Treasury throughout the country, would have the effect of relieving the situation and making funds put into the New York market available elsewhere, Governor Harrison further pointed out that the country’s gold stock had been reduced by about §100,000,000 in the first two months of the year, with no offsetting gains to the market, and that further gold losses at the rate of about 950,000,000 a month were to be anticipated. The purchase of government securities would have the effect of offsetting this gold loss and preventing it from causing an increase in rediscounts. Governor Meyer pointed out that the Reconstruction Finance Corporation was making many loans which i; was hoped would have a favorable psychological effect; that at the present time the public state of mind was a major factor; and that no single sentimental factor was so important in the minds of the public as the purchase of government securities by the -federal Reserve System. Various factors in the situation look hopeful, and it seems a prudent time to act. Governor Seay said that while he had opposed purchases at the last pre vious Conference he now believed the time had come to lay down a barrage all along the line, that there was now a better justification for purchases of governments Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority jQ ^ O f 6 than at any time in eighteen months* • Governor McDougal said that he was not clear what good would come from investing in government securities now, and that, with the doors open as the new bill provides, the Reserve banks are liable to be called upon for additional amounts of funds which would have the same effects on the System’s reserves as buying gov ernment securities. He would be opposed to purchases at least until after there w,as opportunity to see what pressure arises from the new legislation. On general principles he preferred to see the banks borrowing to secure funds, Dr. Miller stated that he believed there was never a safer time to operate boldly than at present. He indicated that he would approve purchases on an even larger scale than the amounts being discussed. There ensued a general discussion of the desirability of discount rate changes in addition to security purchases, and the general opinion was expressed that rate changes in the interior districts were not as important as they had ap peared to be in January, in view of the hope and anticipation that a large part of the new issues of government securities would probably be taken by eastern centers, with the result of drawing money from the money market to other parts of the country. Governor Martin suggested that one effect of the Glass-Steagall bill in his district had been to make many banks more cautious because they felt there was something hidden in the situation which they did not know. Governor Norris said that he would approve the purchases if he were con fident that all of our serious troubles were behind us, that he feared further possible bank failures, further commercial failures and possible municipal defaults, and raised the question of what might be accomplished by a purchase of government securities, particularly in view of the question whether funds so placed in the market would be distributed through the country. Secretary Mills replied that the pressure of gold exports cam© directly upon New York where most of the purchases would presumably be made, and that, Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority /O ^ O j 7 furthermore, the New York banks would have to carry the major pert of the load on government financing* and that the money so raised would then be distributed, by the government all over the country. In this way a very direct mrthod of distribut ing funds was provided, Governor Norris indicated that he was satisfied with this reply. Governor Harrison then offered the following resolution: T’It is moved that it is the sense 01 the conference that, subject to the approval of the Federal Reserve Board, the Executive Committoe shall be authorized to purchase up to §250,00X),000 of government securities for System account at the approximate rate of $25,000,000 per week. It is under stood that purchases under this program shall be made after a meeting of the Executive Committee called for the purpose of considering such purchases,and that the program shall be sub ject to review by the Conference at any time on call of the Conference or the Federal Reserve Board." At 6:04 the members of the Federal Reserve Board withdrew from the meet ing. After some further general discussion the resolution was adopted, Governors Young and McDougal voting in the negative. The meeting adjourned at 6:15 p. in. At 6:15 a meeting of thr executive corxiittec of the Open Market Policy Conference was convened and received a report that the Board had approved the resolution adopted by the Open Market Policy Conference. The executive committee then voted by a vote of 3 to 2 to start the program as authorized the end of this week or beginning of next week. The meeting adjourned at 6:20 p. m. A meeting of the Governors Conference was convened at 10:20 on February 25, 1932, there being present Governors Norris, Fancher, McDougal, Geery, Martin, Hamilton, and McKinney, Deputy Governor Burgess (secretary pro tern). On motion Governor Norris was elected chairman pro tern. The conference proceeded to a discussion of the method of operations to be adopted under the Glass-Steagall bill, ing resolution was adopted: .after some general discussion the follow Mr Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 8 "The conference believes it desirable that as promptly as possible a regulation or letter be issued by the Federal Reserve Board outlining principles and pro cedure under Section 10(a) and 10(b) of the Glass-Steagall bill, and the Governors present are prepared to aid in the preparation of this material in any way desired* This motion was submitted to the Federal Reserve Board with the suggestion that the governors would make available two or three people to work with somebody in the Board in drawing up the forms, etc., if the Board desired. After receiving this suggestion the Federal Reserve Board notified the Conference that the Secretary of the Board, with the assistance of the Board's counsel, would discuss the matter with such representatives of the banks as might be selected by them to work out the proce dure and forms, it being understood that the procedure proposed to be followed will be reviewed by all Federal reserve banks and counsel before it is submitted to the Board for consideration. (New York), Zurlinden The governors, thereupon, designated Messrs. Rounds (Cleveland), and Donaldson (Philadelphia), a committee to deal with this matter with the general understanding that they could employ or requisition any help that they required. The question of organizing groups under Section 10(a) of the bill was dis cussed, and it was the sense of the meeting that when material as to procedure was available it should be explained to key men in the different districts, letting these men use their judgment as to the extent to which groups should be organized. It was recognized that there was danger in the Reserve banks undertaking to stimu late the definitive organization of groups because that would lead to a discussion of the problem by boardsof directors, to differences of opinion, and perhaps make it more rather than less difficult to take care of any situation that might arise. Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 9 It was the general opinion that■it should be made clear to city banks that the purpose of this plan is not to relieve correspondert banks. The question of definition of collateral to be accepted under section 10(b) was discussed. Same of the governors at first favored some negative defini tion as to collateral which should not be accepted, but finally agreed that a definition of collateral wculd probably be unsatisfactory because any definition might include some undesirable paper and exclude some desirable paper and could not provide adequately for differences between districts. The question of relating the total volume of these loans to some figure like the Reserve bank surplus was discussed, and it was recognized that there was danger of interfering with the good psychological effect of the passage of the bill by naming any maximum f igure. The Conference also discussed Provision 10(c) of the Glass-Steagall Bill relating to the use of government securities as collateral far Federal reserve notes. The governors generally expressed the belief that the one year limitation included in the final form of the Act should not interfere with the System's operat ing under this provision. There was informal consideration of some limitation which might be placed upon the amount of government securities which might be pledged against notes* One suggestion was that it should be limited to 20 per cent of the outstand ing circulation of each bank. Another suggestion was that the amount of free gold should be constantly maintained at $500,000,000. There appeared to be general agreement that while the Board might make a general authorization of a maximum use of governments the banks should be free to act within that maximum to as great or as small an extent as each desired. The meeting adjourned at 12:15 p. m. W. Randolph Burgess, Secretary pro tern. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority r , o .i o 9o\ / MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE 0 P M MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE WASHINGTON, D. C., JANUARY 11 and 12, 1932. The meeting was called to order at 10:35, there being present: Governor Harrison, Chairman, Governors Norris, Seay, Black, Fancher, McDougal, Mart in, Geery, McKinney, and Deputy Governors Day and Burgess (secretary). The preliminary memorandum of the' Chairman was submitted to the con ference together with the Secretary’s Report of Operations, On motion the members of the Federal Reserve Board were invited to join the Conference, and the following entered the meeting: Governor Meyer, Messrs, Hamlin, James, and Magee, together with Messrs. Floyd Harrison, Goldenweiser, and McClelland, Governor Meyer reported that Mr. Herman Langworthy, newly appointed director of the Kansas City bank, had been designated by the board of directors of that bank to represent the bank at this meeting, and Mr. Langworthy was in-* vited to join the meeting, which he did. On opening the meeting Governor Harrison called attention to the arrangement that had been made previously for a meeting in January and indicated that recent developments made it particularly important for this meeting to review the whole financial picture* Governor Harrison pointed out that the deflation of bank credit in the United States had amounted to more than #6,000,000,000 in two years in addition to a decrease of $6,000,000,000 in brokers* loans by others than banks* In the past three months the deflation had become still more.rapid and was at the rate of 20 per cent per annum., A continuation of this deflation might be expected to lead to still further serious price declines* There had been some interruption of bank failures in November following the inauguration of the National CreditCorporation but lately the number of failures had again increased and currency withdrawals for hoarding appeared to have begun again to some extent* ’ fa r " Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED /OGOj Authority 2 The gold situation, he indicated, was fairly quiet but likely to became active again if bank failures continued. The question now was what could be done to prevent a further deflation and to bring about some improvement in conditions. With developments already begun or in prospect there seemed some possibility of getting an upward movement started by combined effort. Recent important developments included an improvement in the condition of the bond market, prospects for a readjustment of wage rates for railroad employes, and prospects for the passage of a bill providing for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. It seemed clear, however, that these steps to stop deflation would not be sufficient alone, and active Federal reserve cooperation would appear to be necessary to bring about some increase in credit. A discussion of purchasing Government securities raised immediately the question of the System*s free gold position. Governor Harrison had dis cussed somewhat with Senator Glass a possible amendment to the provisions of the Federal Reserve Act respecting collateral requirements against Federal reserve notes that would have the effect of broadening these requirements to include any of the assets of the reserve banks and so increase the amount of free gold. In informal discussion a proposed amendment of this sort to the Federal Reserve Act was approved in principle by most of those present, Governor Harrison referred to the Treasury program and indicated that the Treasury would require about one and a half billion dollars of new money between now and June 30 and that under present conditions it would be difficult for the Treasury to borrow this amount without a serious effect on the government security market and the general bond market. He stated that he believed a success ful Treasury sale of these securities would require (1) General strength in the bond market (2) Direct discuss ions with the member banks as to the importance of their cooperating Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 3 (3) Discount rate adjustments to enable banks to borrow at a profit (4) Probably some purchases of G-overnment securities by the Reserve banks. Any program to be successful must also include a definite policy by the administration as to the total amount of borrowing to be undertaken and also a definite policy as to balancing the budget after June 30, 1932* Governor Harrison believed that through successful issues of govern ment securities, purchased largely by the banks aided by Federal reserve co operation, it might be possible to stop the deflation of credit. With reference to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Governor Meyer indicated that the speed with which the corporation could be put into operation depended on the form of the bill and particularly whether under it the Reserve banks would be authorized to assist the corporation in its initial activities. The meeting then adjourned as a meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference and reconvened as a meeting of the Governors’ conference. Thereupon the following resolution was adopted: "RESOLVED that the passage of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Act at the earliest possible date is most desirable in the interest of the financial and business situation which now exists in all of the Federal Reserve Districts; and that in order to expedite the operation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, if and when author ized, the assistance of the operating facilities and services of the Federal reserve banks should be available to the Corportion, with the understanding that the Corporation should reimburse the Federal reserve banks for such facilities and services in such manner as may be agreed upon,” In the discussion some of the Governors expressed the opinion that the proposed new corporation should not be authorized to finance municipalities. It was also agreed by those present that the Federal Reserve Banks should not be expected to act formally as the loaning agencies of the corporation and that there ohoald be a proper dissociation of the functions of the reserve banks and the new corporation. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority K f y / O Z O / 4 The resolution was passed with the understanding that Governor Meyer would be free to use it if and when it appeared desirable, The meeting then adjourned as a Governors1 Conference and reconvened again as the Open Market Policy Conference, Governor McDougal presented a memorandum opposing further purchases of ^Government securities, giving his reasons therefor, and suggesting that the / $425000,000 of such securities acquired in December be gradually disposed of in the market, this on the ground that in view of conditions now current efforts should be made to strengthen the position of the Federal Reserve System. He further suggested that the $83,000,000 of Government securities due March 15 be sold gradu ally, and that Treasury bills due in January and February be allowed to run off. Governor Seay suggested that under the present form of the Federal Re serve Act he would be opposed to buying further bonds as such purchases would tend to weaken the strength of the system. Member banks should get what funds they required by borrowing. Governor Harrison suggested that it would be desirable in future dis cussions to decide whether the system should follow a purely defensive course or should take affirmative action designed to stop liquidation and bring about some increase in credit. The meeting adjourned at 12:50 p. m. Afternoon Session The meeting reconvened at 2:18 p. m * , there being present: Governors Harrison, Norris, Seay, Black, Fancher, McDougal, Martin, Geery, and McKinney, Deputy Governors Day and Burgess, Mr. Langworthy, and Messrs. Magee and Goldenweiser. There was further informal discussion of a proposed amendment to the Federal Reserve Act designed to release larger amounts of free gold. The two alternatives discussed were to remove altogether the provisions of the Act re quiring collateral for Federal reserve notes or simply to take out the definition Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 5 of the types of collateral which could be accepted. The Governors generally favored some such modification of the Act and those who expressed an opinion preferred the second alternative* Governor Meyer, Mr. Hamlin, and Mr. James entered the meeting at this point* There followed discussion of administrative methods which could be used to increase the amounts of free gold available prior to any modification of the law, including the appointment of Acting Assistant Federal Reserve Agents at branches in order that unissued notes might be returned to the custody of the agents and that discounted bills held at branches might be available as collateral. It was also suggested that the Federal reserve notes currently received at each Federal Reserve Bank might be returned to the agent each night without serious difficulty. Members of the Board present indicated that they saw no objections to the suggested procedures. Under Secretary Mills and Assistant Secretary Ballantine entered the meeting at 3:00 p. m., and Mr, Mills discussed the problem of Government financ ing in coming months. He indicated that the Treasury felt that the problem to be dealt with was much larger than merely financing the Treasury but was rather one of preserving Government credit and of restoring a normal functioning of credit machinery. The Treasury faces a problem of raising about one and a half billion dollars additional money between now and June 50 to meet current expenditures and the requirements of the Reconstruct ion Finance Corporation, the farm loan banks, and the proposed home loan banks. The effects of increasing the national debt during the past year had not been inflationary as might have been expected but rather the reverse. Funds appear to have been withdrawn from other necessary uses to finance Treasury requirements. budget without any of its advantages* We suffered the evils of an unbalanced Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 6 If the Treasury and the Federal reserve banks do not now woi*k in close harmony it will not be possible to obtain the one and a half billion dollars required except by very sharp increases in interest rates, which would in turn result in severe depreciation in government and other securities and further impair the credit of the Government* which must be restored, We now have to deal with an emergency only comparable with the emergency of war and are justified in returning to war techniques in the sale of government securities. If war techniques are followed, June 50 next must bo a deadline beyond which the national debt will not be increased. The inclination of banks to sub scribe would be increased by reductions of Federal reserve discount rates to give some differential between those rates and the yields on government securities. If banks can be induced to borrow and buy the net effect roust be an expansion of credit. This could not fairly be called an inflation of credit in view of the recent unprecedented deflation which has occurred. Mr. Mills felt that, in the interest of maintaining the credit of the government, maintaining the value of securities, strengthening the credit struc ture, and reversing deflationary trends, the Treasury was justified in asking cooperation in the use of methods used in the last great crisis of the country. Any danger such a program might involve can b© avoided if it is a temporary expedient to terminate definitely at the and of this fiscal year. He said this termination would be supported firmly and definitely by the Executive and he had reason to hope by Congress. In informal discussion the question was raised as to whether flat dis count rate reductions would be better or simply reductions of rates on loans against Government securities, thus establishing preferential rates. It was agreed that this question would have to be decided by each bank for itself. The question also was raised whether in the sale of these securities a drive should be made to bring money out of hoarding* and Mr, Mills and others suggested that the danger of such a course would lie in its bringing money out DECLASSIFIED Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives Authority fT 'fr/O Z O ) 7 of weaker banks instead of out of hoarding. The question was raised whether the collateral requirements for postal savings deposits could not be liberalized as a means of making postal savings deposits available to more banks which need them. Governor Harrison raised the question of the flexibility of bill rates and indicated that the New York Bank would probably desire to precede any change in discount rate by a reduction of bill rates and that, furthermore * there was a considerable advantage in putting money into the market through the purchase of bills as far as possible because these bills would serve as collateral against Federal reserve notes. Governor Harrison suggested that it might be desirable to drop the bill rate to 2 5/4 or 2 7/8 and asked if anybody saw any objection to this program. No objections were made. Governor Harrison suggested that the following appeared to be the pro gram for consideration to stop deflation and encourage some credit increase: (1) pessage of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation bill (2) Organized support of the bond market predicated upon railroad wage cuts (3) Federal reserve and member bank co operation with the Treasury program (4) Buying bills when possible (5) Reduction in discount rates (6) Buying of Governments,if necessary, facilitated by an alleviation of the free gold position. He believed that the system’s hands should not be tied on any one of the last four points and that it was important to have a definite cooperative program in order that progress might be made. In a discussion of the policy of the several reserve banks on loaning against Governments the following reports were made: Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ^ d ^ O ^ O j 8 These hanks lend against Governments at p^r in all cases: New York Atlanta Minneapolis Dallas Cleveland This bank lends against Governments at market in all cases: San Francisco These banks lend at market in some cases and at pur in others: Boston Richmond Philadelphia Chicago St. Louis The meeting adjourned at 4:25 to reconvene in the morning. Meeting Tuesday, January 12, 1932. The meeting was called to order at 10;30 a. m . , there being present the following: Governor Harrison, Chairman, Governors Norris, Seay, Black, Fancher, McDougal, Mart in, Geery, and McKinney, and Deputy Governors Day and Burgess (secretary). Governor Harrison reviewed his recent discussions with the Treasury and others concerning the government budget and indicated that as a preliminary to any program of government financing there had been emphasized the necessity, first, of the government balancing its budget after June 30, next, and second, of arriving at an outside aggregate figure for the increase in the national debt prior to that time. Governor Harrison believed much progress had been made towards these objectives. Governor Harrison then raised the question as to the extent to which the different governors were prepared to recommend to their boards of directors cooperation with the general program which had been discussed, including as one feature a reduction in rediscount rates either in the form of a differential rate on government securities or a flat reduction of rate. that the New Governor Harrison indicated York bank favors a flat rate reduction; that whatever action was Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority £ _ 0 . / & £ O / . 9 taken would be taken not simply for the benefit of the government, but as a part of a broad general program to combat credit deflation, A differential rate might on the other hand give the impression that it was being done simply to aid Treas ury financing. There ensued a discussion of the desirability of discount rate reduc tions, Governor McDougal raised the question of what alternative there was to reducing rates and Governor Black replied that it appeared to him that the alternative was that the Treasury would do the best it could and would issue securities at constantly advancing rates to the point where the difficulties of sale and the reaction upon the bond market would be so great that the Reserve banks would be practically forced to cooperate. Governor Faneher raised the question whether the Reserve banks could consistently reduce rates in the face of present large demands for Federal reserve credit. In this situation it might be advisable to make a special rate for new issues. In the course of discussion the difficulties involved in a special rate for particular issues were brought out. It was suggested that such a procedure would discriminate unfairly against recent issues and would be ineffective. What was required to sell government securities was not so much attractive terms for any single issue but an easy money position and a good government security market generally. After further discussion it was agreed that without any formal resolu tion the minutes should contain an informal statement that it was the unanimous individual opinion of those present, (1) That in view of all the circumstances and especially the important place the Treasury program occupied in the general credit situation and in any program to check credit deflation, the Reserve banks should generally cooperate with the Treasury program, and (2) That the governors present would recommend to their boards discount rate reductions either in the form of flat reductions or preferential rates on govern ment securities. DECLASSIFIED Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives Authority E 0 . 1 6 9 0 ! 10 It was agreed that in any cases where preferential rates might be adopted they should apply to all government securities and not to specific issues alone. It was further made clear in the course of the discussion that those present re garded reductions in discount rates not so much as a means of aiding the sale of government securities but as an important step towards stopping credit deflation. Undersecretary Mills entered the meeting at this point and Governor Harrison reported to him the views of the governors with regard to cooperating with the Treasury program. In response to questions Mr. Mills stated, (1) That the administration proposed that the govern ment budget should be balanced after June 30, next* (2) That the administration program called for sales of approximately $1,500,000,000 of additional govern ment securities before June 30, 1932, (3) That it seemed likely that new issues would take the form of short term issues rather than bonds. There ensued discussion as to whether the Treasury should advance the interest rate it receives on government deposits in depositary banks. Mr. Mills asked the opinion of the governors present and their consensus of opinion was in favor of leaving the deposit rate at 1/2 of 1 per cent* Governor Harrison presented a resolution designed to summarize the conclusions of the discussions of the two day$* meetings, and in the ensuing discussion particular attention was given to the proposal for possible purchases of government securities. At this point Mr. Mills left the meeting and Governor Meyer joined it. Governor Meyer stated that he believed in the present situation the Reserve System should be prepared to use all of its powers if and when necessary. Governor Black asked whether the members of* the Federal Reserve Board were in accord with the suggestion for lower discount rates, and Governor Meyer replied that the matter had received no formal attention in meetings of the Board but that the members of the Board with whom he had discussed the matter were in favor of lower rates for the purpose of facilitating the general program. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority £ . 0 . f O G O j ■ 11 He also suggested that any lower rates which were established should not, in fairness to the member banks cooperating with the program, be withdrawn too quickly* Governor Black suggested that definite action should be taken with regard to the $42,000,000 of government securities purchased for System Account at the year-end. A motion to sell these $42,000*000 of securities was made by Governor McDougal but did not receive a second. Governor Harrison’s resolution was then considered and, after a number of amendments, was adopted in the following form, Governors Seay and McDougal, and Deputy Governor Day voting in the negative. The Conference has considered the preliminary memorandum and discussed at length the current business and banking situa tion. It gave particular attention to the increase in bank failures and the pressure upon the business and price structure of the country resulting from or coincident with the huge deflation in bank credit during the past year, the contraction of bank loans and investments during the last quarter of 1951 being at the rate of about 20$ per annum. The Conference be lieves that this deflation cannot continue without most serious damage to the business and financial structure of the country. While the Conference is of the opinion that the proposed Recon struction Finance Corporation will be of material help in check ing the failure of sound banks and in thus tending to relax further unnecessary pressure for liquidation, and that while the further acquisition of bills by the Federal reserve banks may be encouraged by Federal reserve bank rate adjustments, never theless because of the seriousness of the general situation and the importance of relieving the drastic pressure on the credit structure now inspired largely by fear of further liquidation, the System should be prepared, if necessary, to supplement these other steps by the purchase of government securities. It, there fore ,resolves that the Executive Committee be authorized if and when desirable to purchase for System account not to exceed $200,000,000 of government securities, such purchases to be made only after the approval of the executive committee at a meeting to be called for the purpose of considering the occasion or need therefor. At 12:50 the Open Market Policy Conference was adjourned, and the meet ing reconvened 83 a Governors Conference. The meeting proceeded to consider Senate Bill S-2310 providing for relief of depositors of closed banks and involving thp direction to the Federal reserve banks to subscribe from their surplus $50,000,000 of the capital of the corporation to be organized for this purpose Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 12 On invitation Deputy Comptroller of the Currency Await entered the meeting and there ensued a general discussion concerning the legality of the provision with regard to the use of Federal reserve surplus for this purpose. Mr. Await then left the meeting and the following resolution was adopted: It is the sense of the Governors Conference that quite apart from the question of the constitutionality of Congressional appropriation of surplus of Federal reserve banks already ac cumulated in accordance with law, the proposal in Senate Bill 2810 to require Federal reserve banks to subscribe $50,000,000 of their surplus to the capital stock of a corporation designed to pay off deposits in closed banks is detrimental to the best interests of the Federal reserve banks, their member banks, and the public at large, and, without expressing any dissent what ever to the objects of the bill in question, the Conference be lieves it would be unwise to retain in the bill any provision which would appropriate any of the accumulated surplus of the Federal reserve banks for the purposes of the proposed corporation. On motion it was agreed that discussion of the recommendations of the Reserve committee should be put over until another meeting. At 1:45 p. m« the meeting adjourned. W. Randolph Burgess, Secretary* Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority St* H MINUTES OF THT. MEET DIG- OF THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CON ________________ WASHINGTON, NOVEMBER 50, 1951 The conference convened at 10:50 a, m. Present: Governors Young, Norris, Fancher, Seay, Black, McDougal, Martin, Geery, Bailey, McKinney, Calkins, and Harrison, Chairman, Governor Harrison referred to the procedure which had been followed at past meetings of the conference, in accordance with the Revised Plan of Procedure as approved by the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, and referred to the fact that at the last meeting of the conference the question was raised by some members of the Federal Reserve Board as to the advisability of a joint meeting with the Board prior to the adoption of any formal resolution by the conference. Accordingly, it was understood to be the sense of the conference that the chairman should invite the Federal Reserve Board to meet with the confer ence at the outset of its deliberations and to consider with the confer ence the preliminary memorandum submitted by the chairman. Governors Calkins and Harrison acted as a committee of two to confer with Governor Meyer regarding this suggested procedure* Governor Meyer subsequently reported back to the conference that the proposed procedure was agreeable to the Board. Thereupon the Federal Reserve Board joined the conference, and copies of the preliminary memorandum were distributed to the members of the conference and the Board, A general discussion then ensued during the course of which various members of the Board and of the conference expressed their views regarding the policy' which might be followed over the end of the year. It was generally the opinion of those present that it would be impossible at this time to formulate any long range open market policy for the System, Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 In discussing possible means of handling the year**end situation, attention was directed to the fact that the System has unusually heavy maturities of bankers acceptances during the month of December, owing to the heavy purchases of acceptances which were made in the period of a few days in the middle of September following the suspension of gold payments by the Bank of England. The currency and banking situations were also discussed and some question was raised whether or not the demand for currency for Christmas purposes, usually amounting to about $200,000,000, might not be reduced this year as a result of the utilizar tion of currency withdrawn during the past several months for hoarding purposes. It was the general sentiment of the members of the conference that there would no doubt be a vigorous effort on the part of many banks throughout the country to "window dress* over the turn of the year, in order not to issue statements showing bills payable. It was pointed out that the System now has approximately $650,000,000 of discounts but that the borrowings by banks in Hew York and Chicago were relatively insignificant, an unusual situation considering the total amount of discounts. Governor Harrison indicated, however, that in his opinion it would probably not be possible to go through the month of December without a substantial increase in the discounts of New York City banks, even though a number of those banks would no doubt prefer to be. out of debt at the end of the year if only because of their desire to show their foreign cor respondents that they were not borrowing. Governor Meyer expressed the hope that the System would not take any position, by action or inaction, which would place any unnecessary further pressure upon the banking or credit position. After further general discussion the Board withdrew from the meeting and the conference then proceeded with its discussions. Upon motion duly made and seconded, the Secretary’s report of the operations of the System Account since the last meeting of the conference was accepted and ordered placed on file. Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 3 The conference then proceeded to discuss the preliminary memorandum submitted by the chairman. Governor Harrison suggested that there were two possible approaches to the problem: first, the policy to be pursued by the System during the month of December and over the turn of the year, and, second, a long range open market policy of the System. There are so many complex and imponderable factors in the situation at the present time that he suggested the conference devote its attention solely to the first problem, leaving the second to consideration by a subsequent meeting sometime in January* Governor Harrison then suggested for consideration of the conference the advisability of authorizing the Executive Committee in its discretion to purchase up to 1200,000,000 of government securities between now and the end of the year with a view to avoiding any unnecessary pressure upon the credit or banking structure of the country. This was considered important lest such pressure might tend to revive difficulties with banks which already have suffer ed large withdrawals of deposits in face of a heavy depreciation in their assets, especially bond portfolios. Governor McDougal asked whether any members of the conference believed that government securities should be bought imnediately. It was the consensus of views that there is no occasion for such purchases at the moment and that there might be some disadvantage in purchasing any such securities before the middle of December, if only because of the likely large operation by the gov ernment at that time. Governors Norris and Fancher said that they were not disposed to ap prove of the purchase of government securities solely for the purpose of enabling the New York and Chicago banks to keep out of debt at the end of the year. ^ Governor Young said that in his opinion these and other banks should be expected to borrow over the turn of the year. Governor Martin called attention to the fact, however, that possibly when the end of the year arrives it might be con sidered desirable by everyone that the New York banks should not be in debt, if Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority K a /O ^ O ) only because of the possible bad effect that it might have on public sentiment both here and abroad. Governor Harrison said it was difficult at this time to state what would necessarily be the appropriate course to pursue at the end of the year; that while he believes that the New York banks will have to be bor rowing some amounts at that time, nevertheless, the Executive Committee should not be limited in its discrotion to purchase government securities only in the event that the New York and Chicago banks are in debt. Governor Harrison then formally presented to the conference a resolu tion which, with some later amendments * reads as follows; "The conference reviewed a preliminary memorandum submitted by the Chairman. They discussed business banking and credit conditions both here and abroad and considered in particular the effects upon the American banking and credit structure of the recent huge with drawals of gold and currency and possible further with drawals of currency for holiday purposes or for hoarding. They further considered the heavy maturities of bills in the System portfolio before the end of the year. While the conference was of the opinion that there is no oc casion for any immediate purchase of government securities, nevertheless, they voted that in view of all circumstances and in order to be prepared if and when occasion arises, the Executive Coumittee be authorized in its discretion to buy up to $200,000,000 of govern ment securities before the end of the year. It was the sense of the conference that the committee should also be authorized in their discretion to sell any securities so bought after the turn of the year if con ditions then permit. The conference felt that there should be another meeting of the conference early in January to consider the System’ s general operations and policies in the light of conditions as they then exist.* Before final action on this resolution, Governor Harrison discussed at some length the international situation calling attention particularly to the change in conditions in various countries of the world since the abandonment of the gold standard by England. He emphasized the steps which have been taken in recent weeks by various countries to increase tariffs and to impose exchange restrictions which act as serious deterrents to international trade. He indi cated that it was difficult to see how many of these countries can determine Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority tT 'fr/O Z O / 5 a upon their future monetary policy until England finally decides u p o n /b o u rs e of stabilization, but that it is not likely in his opinion that England will at tempt to stabilize its currency until some definite action is taken about reparations and intergovernmental debts, and until they are in a position better to determine their own trade balance and price levels which will be affected by the tariff which the government has now enacted. After further discussion and consideration of various aspects of the international situation and especially trade balances and monetary policies, action on the resolution proposed by Governor Harrison was called for and after it was duly seconded the resolution was unanimously approved and a copy delivered to Governor Meyer for consideration by the Federal Reserve Board, Some question then arose as to the procedure to be followed in hand ling profits and losses in the System’ s Open Market account at the end of the year. Upon motion duly seconded, it was voted unanimously to follow the pro cedure suggested in the report of the secretary of the committee, previously submitted to the conference. The conference adjourned at 5:30 p* m. GEORGE L. HARRISON Chairman Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority / / MINUTES OF MEETING- OF THS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE HELD AT THE OFFICE OF IKE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK OCTOBER 2 6 , 1931 The members of the committee arrived at about 10:30 a. m . , and report of operations and memorandum on credit conditions were distributed and read. The meeting was formally called to order at 11:25, there being present the following: Governor Harrison, chairman, and Governors Young, Norris, Black, and McDougal, Governor Meyer of the Federal Reserve Board, and Mr. Burgess, secretary. The report of operations and memorandum on credit conditions were ordered received and placed on file. Governor Harrison stated that there appeared to bo two important problems to consider, the first relating itself to system general policy, whether to buy governments, soil governments, or to maintain present holdings unchanged, and second, the question of the distribution of governments and bills between individ ual reserve banks to take care of needs which might arise for banks to maintain their reserve percentage or their amount of free gold. He proposed discussing the first question first and separately from the other question. Governor McDougal made a statemrnt as to the position of the Chicago Bank with regard to government securities citing the changes which had taken place in Federal Reserve credit and recommending the reduction of system security hold ings by the amount of the maturities through next March. Governor Harrison reviewed the considerations affecting open market policy, indicating, first, th^t the free gold position of the System was not a consideration at this time first because there is now, even after a loss of over $700,000,000 of gold over $800,000,000 free gold in the System, practically as large as before the outward gold movement started and second because a sale of government securities would not in fact really strengthen the System’ s gold posi tion. Its only effect would be to provide additional collateral for Federal s^ai Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority K^/O^Oj 2 reserve notes, whereas there is an ample amount of collateral either now on hand or in sight so that a shortage of collateral would not be a limiting factor on the amount of gold which could be exported or the amount of Federal reserve notes which could be issued. At the present time only $300,000,000 of Treasury notes out of $2,700,000,000 outstanding are not collateraled to 60% of value by eligible paper. The most important question which the System faces at present is the problem of bank failures and hoarding of currency. Failures had been increasing at a rapid rate and are exercising a terrific pressure on the credit situation. Every action of the System should be considered in the light of its possible effect on these failures and on the willingness of banks to help out their corres pondents in time of difficulty# A decrease in the System’ s holdings of govern ment securities might affect the situation adversely, first, by its psychological influence as indicating a policy of pressure, and second* as tending to increase the amount of member bank discounts and so making them somewhat less willing to lend freely to help banks actually in need. Governor Harrison reported his conversations with New York bankers in which he had recommended that a policy of veiy liberal lending be followed, partic ularly to out-of-town banks which had need. should be used rather than preserved. The present was a time when liquidity He felt it desirable that nothing should be done by voluntary System action unnecessarily to discourage the use of this liquid— ity in rendering aid to banks in need. There ensued a general discussion of the attitude taken by city banks toward assisting banks in difficulty, the general sentiment of the meeting being that everything should be done to persuade banks to adopt a liberal policy in this regard and to borrow freely from the Federal Reserve System when that was necessary to meet the needs of the- situation* Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 3 Governor Norris stated that while he had recently been opposed to pur chases of government securities and would like to see System holdings reduced* he did not think the present was a time when we could wisely sell securities. The System had cooperated in the movement toward easy money as a result of which many banks had bought government bonds at low yields, and any action now which tended to accentuate the losses of banks on governments would be most unpopular. Governor Meyer indicated that the committee at present had no authority to sell governments, but that it could* if desired, request the Federal Reserve Board to approve the recommendation of the last Open Market policy Conference that the executive committee be given authority to sell up to $>120f000,000 of governments* Governor Young summarized the advantages and disadvantages of a decrease in holding of government securities, and concluded that it would not be wise at this time to sell government securities or to let the total run off except possibly to the extent that it might be desirable to offset purchases of Intermediate Credit Bank debentures and municipal warrants. Governor McDougal moved that unless conditions changed System maturities of government securities in November be allowed to run off. The meeting adjourned at I2:j50 without action having been taken on this motion. The members of the committee attended the meeting of tho executive com-r mittee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and resumed their own meeting at 3:25 p. m ., there being present all of those who were present at the morning meeting* Governor Harrison reported the probable plans of the Bank of France with respect to its American balances* Governor Meyer reported a series of telegrams from Governor Calkins of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco recommending letting maturities of goyornment securities run off for the balance of this year at least, and recommending some ^^8 Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority]Tr&,/0£0/ 4 plan for a more equitable distribution of holdings between the Reserve banks to provide a more ample free gold position and reserve position for some of the banks* The motion made by Governor McDougal at the conclusion of the morning’ s meeting was seconded and on mot ion defeated by a vote of 4 to 1* // It was moved and carried that while for the moment there is no occasion for a reduction in System holdings of government securities, that by reason of the views expressed by a number of governors favorable to a sale of government securities, and because of the possibility of changes in the credit situation which might make sales desirable * the committee ask the Federal Reserve Board to give the executive conmittee the same leeway with respect to sales of government securities as it now possesses with respect to purchases as recommended by the resolution of the Open Market Policy Conference on August 11*^ With regard to the desirability of a meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference it was agreed that the results of the dayfs meeting should be sent to the other Federal reserve banks by telegram and letter as early as possible, and it was the sense of the committee that there should be a meeting of the Conference as soon as conditions appeared to make it wise and practicable for the governors to leave their own institutions for such a meeting. There ensued a discussion of the distribution of government securities between individual Reserve banks with special reference to a number of requests which have been received recently to take over securities from Reserve banks whose position required strengthening. It was agreed first that a bank which was short in its reserves should ask for relief through the sale of bills to other Reserve banks whenever its situation- could be relieved by that method; and second, that in the case of a bank where its difficulty was in its free gold position rather than simply in its reserve position, it should offer its government securities to other Reserve banks through the committee, but should only make this request when it was really necessary to strengthen its position-, and the amount of the request should be limited to that necessary to meet the usual fluctuation in its gold holding. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 5 The committee would then offer participation in these bills and securities to the other banks with the understanding that those whose reserve position is such as to enable them to take bills or securities should cooperate to the fullest extent possible* There was then some discussion as to the policies followed by the Reserve banks as to lending on government bonds. The New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, and Atlanta banks were reported as lending on government bonds at their par value. The Philadelphia bank was lending at pur value when the market price was 95 or better, and the Boston bank was reported as lending on values at market. In the discussion it was emphasized that the Reserve banks had been vigorously supporting the ruling of the Comptroller under which prime bonds were to be listed at par, and the acceptance of governments at something less than par would appear to be inconsistent with this position. Moreover, there was a good deal of disturbance among member banks at recent declines in government bonds which would be accentuated if the Reserve banks took These bonds at less than pur. In view of the limited amount of governments selling below par and the additional protection the Reserve banks possessed it was not believed any considerable risk was taken. Governor Young raised the question whether there was any way of distri buting earnings or losses on open market holdings in a more equitable manner, but after discussion no motion was made upon this point. Reference was made to payments of gold coin into circulation, and it was agreed that the principle which must be followed was that payments should be made with complete freedom. been important. The amounts of such payments made thus far have not Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 6 G-overnor Harrison reported that at the New York bank gold certificates were being paid into circulation only on request* but that there was no hesita tion in making such payments when asked* As a result considerable amounts of gold certificates were being retired from circulation# The meeting adjourned at 4:40 p. m# W. Randolph Burgessj Secretary* Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority Eo.lo^oj ■ \ Confidential' MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE AT THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD, AUGUST 11, 1931 j *5 I ill 3 The meeting was called to order at 10:20 a. m # , there being present Governors Young, Harrison, Norris* Fancher, Seay, Black, Martin, Geery, Calkins Deputy Governors McKay, Worthington, Gilbert, and Assistant Deputy Governor Matteson, who acted as Secretary of the meeting* The Secretary’ s report of open market operations since the date of the last meeting of the Conference on April 29, 1931,was presented and, on motion duly seconded, it was accepted and ordered placed on file. The tentative minutes of the meeting of the Executive Committee of the Conference held at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York on August 4, 1931, were presented. The preliminary memorandum was also presented and was accepted and placed on file, with supplementary figures designed to bring the changes in the various element® of Federal reserve credit and other factors influencing the money market up to the close of business August 10, 1931. Governor Harrison stated that the Executive Committee after having re viewed the general credit and economic situation at home and abroad had voted that a meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference was desirable in the near future to consider the wisdom of granting such authority to the Executive Committee as would prepare it to act in the further purchase of government securities if and when that might seem to be necessary and desirable* Governor Harrison then reviewed the recent developments abroad, and par ticularly in those countries where credits had been granted by the Federul reserve banks, discussing in detail the situation in Austria, Hungary, and Germany. i<j i . j j t-/ b I % z / z / 3 3 3 .-c ■ 2- The Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED A u t h o r it y j T . f r / 0 ^ 0 j various credits extended were reported as shown in the following statement: Total -Amount of Credit Date of Credit Amount of F.R.Banks* Partic ipation Availed of F.R.Banks’ Participation Rate of Interest on Bills Pur chased Under Various Credits Engage ment Commis sions FIRST AUSTRIAN May 30 100,000,000 schill ings (§14,070,000) 7,700,000 schillings ($1,083,000 7,700,000 schillings 1/4 of 1% 1/4 of 1% above Austrian National Bank discount rate, with minimum of 5 1/0. 1/4 of 1% The discount rate of the Austrian Nation al Bank. None Discount rate of the National Bank of Hungary 1/4 of 1% Discount rate of the National Bank of Hungary. SECOND AUSTRIAN1 June 33 1£0,000,000 schillings ($14,070,000 8,225,000 schillings ($1,157,000) None FIRST HUNGARIAN June 19 ” 22 $10,000,000 5,000,000 2,000,000 2,000,000 SECOND HUNGARIAN July 8 #10,000,000 3,000,000 3,000,000 REICHSBANK June 26 $100,000,000 Expired July 16, renewed to Aug.6 and again to Nov.4 25,000,000 25,000,000 1/2 per mill Discount rate of the on theorigi- Reichsbank for the nal credit original credit and first and first renewal, renewal, Discount rate of 2 1/4 per the Reichsbank, or mill on the 10%, whichever is 2nd renewal the lower, for the second renewal* BANK FOR INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENTS July 30 $10,000 ,000 sight deposit 10,000 ,000 10,000,000 None B.I.S. current rate for sight deposits, at present 1 3/4% It is the intention of the B. I. S. to purchase from time to time, as conveniently available, dollar or foreign currency bills, up to $10,000,000. BANK OF ENGLAND Aug. 1 #250*000*000 125*000,000 11,4291000 l/16th of 1% 3 3/8% Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority /Q ^ O f 3 Between July 23 and August 8, 1931, sterling exchange was purchased to the amount of approximately £1*650,000 in support of that exchange. Prior to August 8 IsS00-,000 of the above sum were invested in sterling bills by the Bank of England, for our account. On August 8 the £.900,000 were transferred to apply on the Bank of England credit of $125*000,000 and the remaining i.750,000, which were delivered to the Bank of England on August 8j were invested in bills and applied directly to the credit. Governor Harrison reviewed the background of these credits and the negotiations which had led up to them, as outlined in his letter of July 9, 1931, to the Governors of all Federal reserve banks. The continued lack of confidence and the state of fear and unrest which exist all over the world and the continued decline in coimiodity prices had brought about a condition approaching bankruptcy in many foreign countries and in certain sections of our own country, due to the inability of these countries and sections to meet their fixed charges. conditions one of two things must happen: Under these eithei* commodity prices must go up* or debt structures must be reorganized, involving defaults or postponements in many cases. While bank credits may serve to patch up various situations temporarilyi they cannot correct the basic difficulties. The only possible additional step which now appears open to the Federal Reserve System as & means for exerting some favorable influence upon the situation is the purchase of Government securities, The only question is whether conditions are now such as to make such a step prac~ ticable or reasonably effective. Governor Harrison stated his belief that economic, social, and political conditions throughout the world were so very serious, the prospects for the winter indicated such severe unemployment and distress, and the threat of political and social upheavals in various parts of the world was so great that the Federal Reserve System should certainly be prepared to take any helpful steps within its power if and as soon as conditions indicated reasonable prospects of their success. Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority jQ ^ O j 4 Governor Harrison did not advocate immediate purchases of securities because it did not appear that the attitude of the banks and investors was such that funds thus made available would be put to work, but he believed the system should be prepared to make substantial purchases as soon as there was some prospect that the purchases might be effective* In the course of an ensuing discussion Governor Harrison stated that he felt that if some such action were not taken by the Federal Reserve System the question would be asked why the system did not exhaust every possible means that it possessed in an endeavor to help out in this crisis. He reiterated that he, in common with others, felt that the present was not the proper time to make further purchases of Governments, but that the Executive Committee should be authorized by the Conference to make purchases of sizeable amounts if, and when, such action should appear desirable. Governor Calkins brought up the question of the inability of the majority of the banks to participate in further purchases, due to the lack of gold cover* The New York and Chicago bank were the only ones really in a position to participate to any extent in purchases of Governments at this time. Governor Calkins also stated that there were bad banking situations in all districts, which might lead to heavy withdrawals of reserves which none of the banks except New York and Chicago were in a position to stand* Governor Harrison stated that the amount of free gold in the system was about $750,000,000, which could be increased to a billion dollars by withdrawals from the agents. With regard to the immediate situation in New York, Governor Harrison reported that the New York banks for two months past had been holding currently excess reserves of from $60,000|000 to $80,000,000, but that in the past iew days, due to currency withdrawals and the action of the Bank of France in allowing its Treasury Bills and bankers’bills to run off, this excess had been wiped out and the banks had been obliged to borrow at the reserve bank from $40,000,000 to Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority ^ t^ j 0 9 0 f 5 $80,000,000. In view of this sudden arid unusual change and to avoid a disturbance to the money situation, the New York reserve bank had made purchases on August 10 and 11p for its own account, of §50,000,000 of Government securities, any part of which it will be glad to give to any bank that wishes to participate. This action was not taken with a view to creating excess reserves but to supply enough funds to take care of the unusual withdrawals, The Bank of France has now a $170,000>000 free balance with the Reserve Banks and holds about ^40,000 ,000 more of bills matur ing within the next few weeks. Governor Seay said that the amount of free gold which his bank held would not permit them to participate in any further credit, or purchases. In fact they had not participated in the Bank of England credit as that would have required about $6,000,000 or $6,500,000 of free gold. Governor Harrison pointed out that the question to decide was not whether individual banks could, or could not, participate, but to try to agree on a System policy which would be helpful* Governor Meyer joined the meeting at 12;25 p. m . , and stated that he would like to get the opinion of the Governors of the Federal reserve banks as to whether they would favor the adoption by the Comptroller of the Currency of a policy which would permit national banks to carry all bonds in their portfolios at cost price, regardless of the market value, unless such bonds were in default as to either principal or interest, in which event their depreciation should be written off. Under this plan the difference between the cost value of the undofaulted securities and the m&rket value would be classified as either slow or doubtful* The Governors expressed themselves as in favor of some such formula; whereupon Governor Meyer left the meeting* The discussion of further purchases of Government securities being re sumed, Governor Calkins expressed the opinion that additional purchases at this time would not do any good. He also raised the question of the desirability of maintaining a proper amount of liquidity in the System. An urgent demand for Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 6 credit from some other quarter might prove embarrassing if the System’ s resources were tied up in Government securities. Mr. McKay stated that it was his feeling and that of the Governor and directors of his bank that they should keep in the strongest position possible. The meeting adjourned at 1:20 p. m. for lunch and reconvened at 2:30 p. m.* with all present that attended the morning session. Governor Meyer joined the meeting shortly after it reconvened. Governor Meyer reviewed the various facts in the present situation and stated that in his opinion the situation was one which called for some action by the Federal Reserve System* and he hoped that the Conference would give serious consideration to the matter of buying securities* Furthermore, it was his opinion that such additional action could be taken without any possibility of really weaken ing the System* Governor Calkins asked what would happen in the event that we should buy, say, $500,000,000 of Governments now and in the course of thirty days be asked to extend another *>200,000*000 credit to England, to which Governor Meyer stated that if governments are purchased we should not hesitate to sell them if end when conditions did not th-tok we -should hesitate to oell Governments in order -t-o holp Snglaadr make it necessary or desirable. Governor Calkins suggested that those present give the attitude of their respective boards of directors in regard to the purchase of securities. Members of the Conference thereupon responded as follows:Governor Young stated that his directors were opposed to the purchase of any further Governments and went along reluctantly on the last purchase. Governor Black; stated that if he were to report on the question now he would be in favor of empowering the Executive Committee to make further purchases if, and when, they considered it desirable. The question, however, of making further purchases at this time has not been taken up with his board of directors and he, therefore, could not give their views at this time. *49 Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 7 Governor Seay stated that for a year prior to the first of this year his directors had been opposed to the purchase of Governments and also had been opposed to the purchase of acceptances because of the rates, but since then they have participated in System purchases. As they have a very small amount of free gold his directors would not be willing to reduce that amount further by parti-' cipating in purchases* Governor Calkins stated that the directors of the San Francisco bank have been consistently, since the beginning, disposed to go along with the System and to participate in the operations of the Open Market Policy Conference. They have been* on the whole, of the opinion that nothing has been accomplished by the very large amount of money that has been put in the money market. They did not consider it proper for the San Francisco bank to participate in further large purchases of Governments* Governor Geery stated that he had not had a chance to discuss the matter with his directors, but that the Executive Committee, on account of their free gold position is opposed to the further purchase of Governments# Mr. Gilbert stated that there was no meeting of his board in August and the matter had not been discussed with them# The- position of his bank has made it necessary to discontinue participating# He stated that his own personal feeling is that he would be opposed to the purchase of Governments but would be in favor of forcing bills into the System* Governor Martin stated that his board of directors appreciates the gravity of the world situation and also the local situation and desires to go along in every way that it can in anything that will help the general situation* However, at the last board meeting* the board felt decidedly that the System had gone about as far as it was justified in extending foreign credits; also that it had gone as far as it could in the purchase of Governments. He said his local situation was such that unfortunately they cannot participate unless their gold cover improves. Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 8 Governor Norris stated that at his board meeting last week only four directors were present, which Wc.s not a quorum, and he therefore could give no authoritative recent statement of their opinion. In a recent discussion, however, the majority of the board had been opposed to further purchases of Government securities. Neither his board nor he individually can see that any possible good can be done by making purchases now or any time that we can look forward to. With only $40,000,000 of free gold he was afraid that for the first time in their entire history they would have to decline to participate, which they would dislike to do. Governor Fancher said his board has been divided on the question of buying Government securities, probably the majority against it. In expressing his own opinion he said that if the resolution was reduced to §100,000,000 he would not oppose it, as a situation may arise in which the purchase of $100,000,000, or a part of it, may be desirable. He feels that there is nothing today that would warrant the purchase of additional Governments, but that the Executive Committee should not be without authority if the unforeseen happens* Mr. McKay said he had submitted the question to his Executive Committee who had discussed it freely and are of the opinion that the purchase of Governments at this time would not do any good and might result in harm. They feel that a little firming in money rates from present abnormally low levels would do more good than easing would do. These are Governor McDougal*s views and his own. Mr. Y/orthington said he thought it has been the opinion of the majority of the board, also of Governor Bailey* that the easy money policy has been carried too far and has not accomplished the desired result. His bank has always parti cipated and is now participating, but at this time has gone about as far as it can. His personal opinion is similar to that of Mr. McKay. Governor Harrison said he had gone over the whole matter with the New York directors last Thursday and they are all of the opinion that it would not be wise to buy Government securities now inasmuch as the present attitude of the banks Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 9 and public about bond investments would probably defeat the program. They do feel, however, as he does, that the situation throughout the world is very critical and that the System should be in a position to act promptly and use what means we have left in the effort to facilitate recovery if and as soon as a favor able opportunity offers itself. V/ith this in mind they were very hopeful that the Conference would empower the Executive Committee to make purchases of Govern ment securities promptly in a substantial amount if and when that might he desir able. Governor Harrison presented the following resolution: "It is the sense of the Conference that, subject to the approval of the Federal Heserve Board* the Executive Committee be authorized to purchase for account of such Federal reserve banks as desire to participate, up to $300,000*000 of Government securities if and when it becomes necessary or advisable to do so. It is the opinion of the Conference that economic conditions in this country and throughout the ’ world are now such that it is essential that the System be prepared promptly to take whatever further proper steps are in its power to encourage or facilitate a recovery in conditions as soon as it appears likely that such steps will be effective in accomplishing this purpose." Governor Calkins then stated that if it is in order, he would offer the following as an amendment to the resolution. The motion to amend was made and seconded by Governor Fancher - ’’That the Executive Committee be authorized to purchase for account of such Federal reserve banks as desire to participate up to $100,000,000 Government securities if and when it becomes necessary or advisable to do so, or if necessary or advisable to sell up to a similar amount.” Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 10 This amount was then changed by mutual agreement to read $120,000,000, to coyer the 5^0,000,000 unexecuted balance of the present authorization. Governor Harrison explained that he would vote against the proposed amendment because if the Conference were not prepared to authorize the purchase of a more substantial amount it would not in his opinion be wise to embark upon the purchase of an amount too small to accomplish the objective, ■A vote was taken on the amendment, all of the Governors voting in favor of it except Governors Harrison and Young, A vote was then taken on the resolution, as amended: ’’It is the sense of the Conference that, subject to the approval of the Federal Reserve Board, the Executive Committee be authorized to purchase for account of such Federal reserve banks as desire to participate, up to ^120,000,000 of Government sec urities if and when it becomes necessary or advisable to do so, or if necessary or advisable to sell up to a similar amount. It is the opinion of the Conference that economic conditions in this country and throughout the world are now such that it is essential that the System be prepared promptly to take whatever further proper steps are in its power to encourage or facilitate a recovery in conditions as soon as it appears likely that such steps will be effective in accomplishing this purpose," All Governors voted in favor of the resolution, as amended, except 'X Governor Young* There followed a discussion as to the best date for the Governors’ Conference, and it was the sense of the meeting that it should be held as soon as the Committee on Reserves were ready to report, which would be about the middle of October. The meeting adjourned at 5:20 p* m. Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority E j9 J o 5 o j JOINT MEETING OF THE FEEERAL RESERVE BOARD AND THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE ____________________HELD IN WASHINGTON ON AUGUST 11, 1931_____________________ Present: Governor Meyer, Dr. Miller, Messrs. James, Hamlin and Magee, members of the Federal Reserve Board Governors Young, Harrison, Martin, Geery and Deputy Governors Worthington, McKay and Gilbert of the Federal Reserve Banks; also Messrs. Goldenweiser, Wyatt, Sinead and McClelland of the Federal Reserve Board I/Ip . Matte son of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The meeting was called to order at 5:30 p. m. by Governor Meyer. Governor Harrison presented the preliminary memorandum, relative to credit conditions, the report of operations, and the tentative minutes of the Executive Committee meeting. Governor Harrison then reviewed the general credit and economic situation at home and abroad as it had been discussed at the conference. He then acquainted the members of the Federal Reserve Board with the action taken at the meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference and read the resolution as it had first been presented to the Conference, and in the form in which it was later adopt ed. In discussing the reasons why the members of the Conference were not in favor of purchasing large amounts of Government securities immediately, he pointed out that at present the effect of purchases would probably be limited to the piling up of excess reserves in member banks which would not be employed. The natural outlet for such excess reserves is in investments and if action were taken at the right time it might result in pressure upon the banks for the use of surplus funds in the purchase of bonds, mortgages, etc. One difficulty at the present tine is that the most prime investments are selling on a very low yield basis, while secondary bonds consist largely of railroad issues, of which a considerable propor tion may in a short time become ineligible for investment by savings banks, insur ance companies, and trust funds, due to the provisions of various state laws. addition the In bond r.'.arket has been uncertain because of pressure on the market, due Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 to forced liquidation of bond portfolios of closed banks. The conference felt, however, that the existing situation was so critical that the System should be pre pared to act quickly if and when conditions are changed to a point which might make it appear that an operation in Government securities would be effective in en couraging or facilitating busite&s frecoyetfy. He referred also to the purchase of 150,000,000 of Government securities by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York on August 10 and 11, and stated that it was not contemplated that these securities would be absorbed into the System ac count as part of the $120,000,000 authorized by the Conference but that, unless some of the other reserve banks desired to participate in those purchases, they would be carried in the portfolio of the New York bank. Governor Meyer and other members of the Board expressed disappointment at the action taken by the Committee in that it limited possible purchases to an ineffective amount. They also indicated some disappointment that the procedure followed by the meeting did not give the members of the Board an adequate opportun ity for discussion with the members of the Conference before final action was taken by the Conference. Governor Harrison stated that the present procedure was not satisfactory to him either but that it was precisely in accordance with the procedure followed ever since the Open Market Committee had been changed to the Open Market Policy Conference, including representatives of all of the Federal reserve banks. Mr. Hamlin asked the Governors who voted against the amendment to state their reasons for so doing. Governor Young stated that he would rather see the portfolios of the Federal Reserve System composed of bills and discounts, and regretted to see two important functions nullified by operations in Government securities. Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 3 Governor Harrison stated that his reason for voting against this amendment was that the amount was entirely inadequate for any program designed to stimulate the use of credit in the country. Purchases under this limited authority, he said, would do no more than offset present withdrawals of funds» While not in favor of purchases at the present time for reasons elaborated at the meeting of the Conference, he felt that the Executive Committee should have authority to purchase substantial amounts promptly if, and when, such action seemed necessary and desirable and with likelihood of being effective.. Occasions arise where quick action is necessary, and that the delay in having a meeting of the Conference might nullify the effect of such purchases. There then followed a general discussion regarding foreign credits, the position of various foreign countries, and the probable effects on the Reserve System of possible events in this field'. Governor Meyer asked Mr. Goldenweiser if there was any danger to the System in locking up $800,000,000 or $300,000,000 of Government bonds. Mr. Goldenweiser stated that there was no danger in that direction as we have $750,000,000 free gold which can be increased to $1,000,000,000 by withdrawals from the agents. Governor Meyer suggested as a matter of procedure that the members of the Conference should come to the meeting without instructions by their boards of directors, but prepared for a free discussion with the members of the Board. He suggested that there should be another meeting held at an early date, to be attend ed by the Board, for a further discussion of these questions. The meeting adjourned at 6:45 p. m. Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority E ,c > .io $ o ] // TENTATIVE MINUTES OF MEETING OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE O I ® MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE HELD AT THE OFFICE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK AUGUST 4, 1951. The meeting was called to order at 10*50 a. m., there being present Governors Young, Harrison, Norris, and Black, and Deputy Governors McKay and Burgess. A memorandum summarizing the credit situation was presented by the chair man, together with a report of the secretary. Governor Harrison then reviewed the developments since the last meeting, / saying that the meeting had been called because the world situation bqth economic and financial appeared to have developed to a point requiring careful review. While there had been some hope of an improvement in business conditions this autumn, recent developments in Europe have led to a lack of confidence and a state of fear and unrest more severe than at any time since the World War. national difficulties lay the commodity price movement. At the root of inter With comodlty prices where they are now many countries are unable to meet their fixed charges. two things mist happen: One of either cocmodity prices mist go up, or else some parts of the world mast completely reorganize their debt structures involving defaults or postponements in many cases. Bank credits, while they patch up the situation temporarily, cannot correct the basic difficulties. In these circumstances the only possible additional step which appears to be open to the Federal Reserve System is the purchase of government securities. There is now a substantial body of opinion which believes that government purchases by the Reserve System would be helpful. Because of the greater general lack of confidence purchases at present are perhaps less likely to be effective than ap peared to be the case six weeks ago. Bit now, for the first time, because of the system’s small holdings of discounts and bills, any money the Reserve system puts Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority f^ O j B out has to stay out. There is of course no assurance that a program of government purchases would necessarily be effective: the banks might keep excess reserves unused, reducing their deposit rates to zero. In any event it seems that such a program would be most likely to succeed only if the bankers in principal centers were taken into confidence and their cooperation secured. Governor Moyer entered the meeting at this point. Governor Harrison reviewed recent developments abroad in those countries to which credits had been granted by the Federal Reserve Banks, discussing in some detail the situations in Austria, Hungary, and Germany, and reviewing the reasons for the $10,000,000 deposit in the B. I. S. Governor Black raised the question of the possible use of sterling bills as collateral for Federal Reserve notes, and Governor Harrison pointed out that the difficulties were not legal but rather mechanical and perhaps also related to the criticisms which might be provoked by the use of these holdings of foreign bills as collateral for Federal Reserve notes. Reverting to the previous discussion, Governor Harrison summarized the position with regard to purchases of governments by saying that, admitting the world was in the midst of a social, economic, and political crisis, the question was whether there was anything the Federal Reserve System could do. If by the purchase of government securities it could facilitate an increase in world prices, clearly it should be done. It is doubtful whether a purchase of governments would have such an effect, at least immediately, but the question is whether in the presont crisis, which involves perhaps a struggle between socialism and capitalism, the system can wisely omit doing anything which might be helpful and which a growing number of responsible people believe would be helpful. Deputy Governor McKay said that in his opinion everything should be done to strengthen the position of the Federal Reserve System so that there might be Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority _£T£^ & zO j_ 3 continued confidence in the system. Any disturbance abroad might bring withdrawals of deposits from banks in this country* In those circumstances it would be better if the member banks rather than the Reserve system held the government securities; so that they might be used as a basis for borrowing and as a basis for Federal Reserve note issues. He did not believe that purchases of government securities would help the situation, but would rather hurt it, since interest rates were very low and many banks were already suffering from lack of earnings and would have to cut their dividends. Governor Harrison said that he would be doubtful about buying governments unless there were at least an informal understanding v/ith the principal member banks concerning the employment of excess reserves. He would not want to suggest that the banks make wholesale purchases of bonds, but would rather suggest the placing of substantial bids for second grade bonds to aid the market price, the difficulty now being not so much that many bonds are being pressed for sale as that in many cases the#e are no bids whatever. Governor Meyer said that all were agreed that it is desirable to keep the banks in a strong position, but that their losses were occurring more largely in principal than on income account. The policy of buying governments would be designed to affect attitudes and sentiment in the country and so improve the value of principal, a step which would be more effective in preventing losses by the banks than anything that could be done to improve their income. A large body of responsible opinion favored the buying of government securities and there is ques tion whether the Reserve system can be said to have done everything within its power, until it has tried that policy more vigorously. Governor Black stated his general agreement with this position and, re ferring to the attitude of the banks, said that there appeared to be two questions; first, are the banks following the right policy because of timidity, and if not Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 4 what can we do to help them? He did not believe that the purchase of governments would weaken the Reserve system. At It 10 the meeting adjourned for lunch. At 3:20 the members of the committee met with the executive committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and there ensued a general discussion of the proposal to buy government securities covering somewhat the same ground as the morning meeting. At 4:05 the meeting of the executive committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York adjourned and the executive committee of the Open Market Policy Conference reconvened. Governor Young stated that he found it difficult to be lieve that a purchase of government securities at this time would prove of value, but he had an open mind on the question and believed that it would be desirable to call a meeting of all the governors to consider the question. After further dis cussion the following resolution was passed. The executive committee having reviewed the general credit and economic situation at home and abroad and believing it to be serious, with the consequences of present tendencies impossible to foresee, it was voted that there should be a meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference in the near future to consider the wisdom of granting such authority to the executive committee as would prepare it to act in the further purchase of govern ment securities if and when that might seem to be necessary or desirable. After discussion with Governor Meyer it was agreed that the meeting should be called for Tuesday, August 11, in Y/ashington, at 10 a. m. There was some general discussion of the attitude of bank examiners to ward the treatment of bonds in the portfolios of member banks. The meeting adjourned at 4{30. Reproduced fromthe UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority -£ 1 f y / o Z o j MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE HELD AT THE OFFICE OF THE FEEERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK JUNE 22, 1931. Tlie meeting was called to order at 11:10 a. m., there being present Governors Young, Harrison, Norris, Black, and McDougal, Governor Meyer of the Federal Reserve Board, and Deputy Governor Birgess. Governor Harrison outlined developments in recent weeks in the interna tional markets, and particularly in connection with the assistance required by the Austrian Credit Anstalt, and the further succeeding developments in Hungary and in Germany, and indicated that on Friday the Reichsbank reserve was close to its legal minimum, that altogether the Reichsbank had sold us over $100,000,000 in gold, and its total losses of gold and foreign exchange had been approximately $250,000,000. It had begun a policy of credit rationing at home. As a result largely of the gold frcm Germany this country had gained $112,000,000 of gold since June 1, and the total net gain since January 1 amounted to $298,000,000. Governor Harrison stated that at the April meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference all appeared to be in agreement that this country was receiving gold which it did not desire, and which other countries could not afford to lose, and that if possible we should find some way to avoid being in the position of re ceiving this gold without allowing it to produce its usual effects in expanding credit. Since the April meeting incoming gold may be considered to have been partly absorbed by currency withdrawals in connection with bank difficulties. If the influence of these currency withdrawals could be eliminated Federal reserve earning assets would show a substantial reduction. In other words, the gold has Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 been to a degree sterilized, and the aim of the April meeting of maintaining earning asset3 and putting new gold to work has not been fully achieved. Governor Young objected at this point that he did not agree with the con clusions of the April conference with respect to the sterilization of gold. Governor Harrison, continuing, pointed out that the other aim of the April conference was to reduce short money rates and thus encourage the shifting of funds to employment in longer use. Partly as a consequence of the action taken there had been large and widespread reductions of rates paid by banks on deposits, and in short time money rates generally. He further stated that the events of the past two weeks were in some ways the most critical which the world has passed through since the war, that there had been a threat of a general moratorium and a possible breakdown of capitalism in Europe. In the meantime developments in South .America had indicated the danger of a moratorium in certain countries there. In these circumstances it seemed desir able to take every possible measure available to the Federal Reserve System for improving the situation. but considerable advantage. He could see no risk in buying governments at this time, It was a particularly good tin®, because the improve ment of psychology and the lift in the commodity markets and the security markets following the announcement of the administration*s position as to reparations pro vided an impetus toward revival which, with proper encouragement, might now bring the turning of the tide. As far as the bill holdings of the system were concerned Governor Harrison stated that it would probably be somewhat easier to maintain these holdings because of the fact that the Bank of France was allowing all its bills to mature* since these holdings constituted something like 25% of the total bills outstanding in the American market, the release of these bills would provide a more ample supply, part Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 3 of which would presumably come to the Reserve bank. The Bank of France intended, however, to increase its balances at the Reserve banks as its bills matured, an action which would be a tightening factor in the money market. It might be desir able in the near future to make some reduction in bill rates since technically bill rates were becoming out of line with other short term money rates. In fact the directors of the New York bank had already requested from the Federal Reserve Board a lower minimum buying rate on bills, though there was no present intention of re ducing the actual buying rate. Governor Meyer reported that the statisticians of the Federal Reserve Board computed that from $350,000,000 to $375,000,000 of currency was now hoarded throughout the country as a result of banking disturbances since last autumn. This represented an additional demand for Federal reserve credit which tended to offset the effects of gold imports under the normal working of the gold standard. A draft of the minutes of the meeting of the Open Market Policy Confer ence in April was distributed and read by each of those present. It was agreed that these minutes should be sent out in their present form even though it was somewhat more detailed than usual. The secretary's report of operations in the System Account was received and placed on file. The memorandum submitted by the chairman was received and placed on file. Governor Norris suggested that the two major objectives of the April program were (1) to check gold imports, and (2) to drive down the interest rates paid on deposits by banks. There had been great success in pursuing the second objective, though as to the first we appeared to have gone as far as it was possible to go since gold V movements now appeared not to be due to interest rates but rather due necessity or Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority /O ^ Q j 4 due to thi6 Market being the safest place for funds* Governor Harrison pointed out that the first objective of the April meet ing was perhaps somewhat broader, and included a desire to make the incoming gold effective and not sterilize it. Governor Norris asked whether the real difficulty at present was not the rates for money but lack of demand for credit from high grade borrowers while lend ers were timid and hesitant with respefct to any other type of borrower. Governor Harrison suggested that the pressure of excess reserves sooner or later tends to overcome timidity. Under the traditional gold standard the pil ing up of fttnds in any country sooner or later operates toward an expansion of credit which in turn is an influence towards raising the price level. He hoped that the purchase of governments might first avoid sterilizing gold, and might second be a stimulus operating with other favorable recent events towards giving an additional lift toward business recovery. Governor Norris raised the question whether the system would not be criticized for taking a step to make money still easier when it was already very easy. Governor Harrison suggested that the proposal simply recognized that in coming gold would inevitably produce credit ease, and the effect of the action was to bring somewhat earlier rather than later the normal effects of the gold movement, and thus to avoid in part some of the serious effects on European countries of th© loss of gold. Governor Meyer suggested that other critics would say that by inaction we were preventing the normal influence of gold. Governor Black commented that the action taken at the April 29 meeting at Washington was affirmative, in favor of positive action which was to continue until it accomplished its results. The methods to be followed were first the reduction Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority E'.fr 5 of bill rates and second the purchase of governments* The results hoped for were a favorable psychological reaction, lower interest rates, and the prevention of the sterilization of gold. The first remedy, action through the bill market, appeared to have been exhausted. situation was worse. Business had not shown any recovery. The European The remaining remedy was to buy governments which should be done as a logical continuation of the affirmative policy. The President, by his announcement, had taken a constructive step which should be backed up to the limit, and Governor Black believed that the purchase of governments would give this im pression and have this effect. Governor Meyer stated that the Federal Reserve Board would be sympathetic to the purchase of Government securities,wouMhave seme preference for a larger program of purchases than $50,000,000, and that the Board would regard this program as simply discounting in advance the easing effect of the return of hoarded cur rency when the period of apprehension was over. Governor Young discussed the question of gold sterilization and indicated that he believed that sterilization had been and was natural and inevitable under the operation of the Federal Reserve System} that the only way sterilization could be stopped was to have continuously an excess of credit, but that any such excess never lasts but is rather quickly absorbed through a reduction in Federal reserve credit. It is, therefore, impossible to prevent sterilization without adopting the Macauley policy of buying an exceedingly large volume of government securities. He agreed that something should be done to support the action of the President, but did not believe that the purchase of $50,000,000 of Govtsmment securities would accomplish this purpose. He did think that there was a great opportunity to deal more directly with the problem by some form of advance to Germany. This might mean announcing the advance on gold in transit, or announcing that we were pre pared to make advances to the Reichsbank. Such action would put the injection Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 6 precisely into the place where needed. Governor Harrison stated that it would hardly be appropriate to announce the advance against gold since that was in the nature of temporary and ordinary banking operation which would pass quickly# and moreover, might suggest weakness on the part of the Reichsbank* He said that there had not yet been any request from the Reichsbank for a credit though word from abroad indicated that such a request might come before long. Governor McDougal stated that while he was impressed at the last meeting by the considerations with respect to gold, he considered the domestic bank situa tion the most important and pressing element in the situation, and speaking in general he questioned the desirability of putting out more credit now that the market is already glutted. Following the Presidents announcementr however, we have had an exhibition of the effect upon the state of mind of some positive action. If purchases of governments would be received by the public as supporting the Presidents announcement that would appear to him of great importance. Governor McDougal asked what the prospective demands for credit from Europe were likely to be, and Governors Harrison and Meyer reported recent communi cations from Europe and indicated that any demands from Europe would be in suffi ciently limited amounts as to constitute no strain upon the System and leave us free to pursue the policy which seemed best from other points of view* At 1:20 the meeting adjourned for lunch. At 3:25 p. m. the meeting reconvened, there being present Governors Young, Harrison, Norris, Black, McDougal, and Talley, and Deputy Governor Burgess. Governor Harrison stated that the directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York were unanimous in favoring the purchase of government securities, at this timei Governor Meyer joined the meeting at this pointy Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority £ 7 f t /O ^ O j 7 Question was raised as to the general effects of buying government securities, on sentiment and otherwise, and there was also discussed the form which publicity might take. The general opinion was that probably no attempt to explain the reason for purchases was desirable* The action would probably be interpreted as part of the general program. Governor Harrison suggested that the attitude of the member banks toward purchases of government securities had changed considerably during recent weeks and that two New York City bankers had suggested to him the desirability of buying governments as a means for aiding 1fte situation. Governor Talley said that the purchase of government securities might have an important effect in helping banks to maintain their liquidity and so en couraging them to use their funds courageously. After some further discussion it was voted to buy up to $50,000,000 of government securities with the understanding that there would be further conference by telephone or otherwise between members of the committee before any purchases were made beyond that amount. Governor Young asked to be recorded as voting in the negative, and Governor Norris did not vote. The meeting adjourned at 4:12, W, Randolph Burgess> Secretary. Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority • “■v . o M , f*. -o- 93Z&TI W 1 / ' ? / $ i MINUTES OF MEETING OF THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE HELD a t THE OFFICES OF 1HE FEDERAL HESERVE BOARD WASHINGTON, D. C., APRIL 29, 1951. The meeting convened at 8:30 o»clock, there being present the followings Governors Young* Norr.is, Fancher, Seay, Black, Geery, McDougal, Martin, Talley, Calkins, and Harrison, Chairman* Deputy Governor Worthington* The chairman presented the secretary’s report of open market operations since the last meeting of the conference on January 21, 1931. After considera tion, it was VOTED that the report be received and placed on file. The chairman then stated that the attached report of the chairaian of the conference, which had previously been read during the meeting of the governors’ conference, was before the open market policy conference for consideration. There was a long discussion of the report by the various members of the conference with particular reference to the present gold trends and the possibility of making the gold standard work more effectively. It was pointed ait that in view of the present favorable trade balance of the United States, amounting in re~ cent years to about $500,000,000 a year, the only way in v&ich that trade balance could now be paid for was by the shipment of gold since the foreign bond market in this country was practically closed to any new issues. As indicated in the report of the chairman, this country has received over #400,000,000 of gold in the last fiftean months. This gold,, however, has not in any way reflected itself in tha © expansion of member bank loans and investments but rather has been utilized to re duce the amount of Federal reserve earning assets* To that extent it may be said that the noxmal effects of the import of this volume of gold have been nullified* I *7 j j 3( 3 3 3 ,~C <5— Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority £ ~ ,# ./o £ o j 2 The question which was discussed by the conference was whether there was any ap propriate way in which the Federal Reserve System could take action in order that any further gold imports will have their normal and natural effect upon the loans and investments of member banks. Governor Harrison pointed out that this was one of the reasons which had prompted the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in recent weeks to reduce its bill mates, hoping that by that action it would be possible to maintain or even in crease the System’s bill portfolio in spite of the fact that gold is still coming into the country. He said that to have done nothing with the bill rates would very likely have resulted in a rapid diminution of the bill portfolio of the system as gold came in, not only thereby nullifying gold imports but liquidating the System*s earning assets by a substitution of gold, of which we already have a plethora. Governor Harrison then said that it was the purpose of the New York bank, if necessary, to reduce its bill rate as low as one per cent in the hope of accomplishing its objectives of maintaining or even increasing the b ill portfolio in the face of gold imports; that it was likely that next week or the following week he vjould recommend a reduction in the discount rate. The chief purpose of this program was, he stated, not only to tend to reduce the amount of gold imports or to make those imports that actually take place more effective, but also, by its effect upon the short time money market, ultimately to make credit, of which there is now plenty, especially in the big centers, more active and more widely distribut ed. It was felt that this policy sooner or later would necessarily, because of its effect upon the short time money rates, encourage banks and depositors in banks, in spite of their present liquidity, to employ their money, n&ich now is becoming relatively so unprofitable. More specificallyr he said that he hoped that this Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority !o $ o f policy might encourage the New York Clearing House banks further to reduce interest rates on deposits. Win this connection, it seemed to be the general sentiment of the conference that one of the difficulties with the banking situation today is the con sequence of the competition of banks throughout the country for increasing deposits at unjustifiably higji rates of interest, and that any action which might encourage a more general reduction in those interest rates could not but be helpful to the banking situation as a whole. Governor Harrison then said that if the policy which the New York bank has adopted is to become completely effective it requires System cooperation both in the matter of rates and in the matter of open market purchases of government securities for with bill rates as low as they are, in the event that the System’s bill portfolio runs off, even after rates may have been reduced to one per cent, the only effective instrument which the System has left to aid in maintaining the total volume of its credit outstanding is the purchase of government securities. He, therefore, recommended that the conference authorize the executive committee of the conference, if and when it appears to them necessary or advisable, to purchase up to $100,000,000 of government securities. In making this recommendation, he pointed out that it was not/the intention to purchase government securities immediately but rather to attempt to carry out the policy, first, through bill rates., second, through the reduction in disc cunt rate, and then, if necessary, to resort to the purchase of government securities.^ ^Governor Meyer was then invited to join the conference, and each member of the conference, in turn, discussed this proposal* Vi Governor Norris was of the opinion that the proposed policy might not accomplish any great amount of goodj that the System was in a strong position; that there was little or no danger of speculation; that he saw no probability of Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority £ 7 4 any bad results from the policy; and that in those circumstances he was ready to participate in the policy and to contribute by recommending a reduction in the Philadelphia bank rate to three per cent. His chief misgiving about the adoption of the policy was the danger of a slowness in the reversal of the policy when that might become necessary. This was a danger to which all the members of the con ference referred and which Governor Meyer stated he did not believe would be ex istent in the present circumstances, especially in view of the fact that the country would look upon a reversal of the policy as an evidence that the turn had come in the business depression. (^Governor Young stated that they are even now following the New York re ductions in bill rates and in the past have followed in the reduction of discount rates; that he believes it is important to have harmony in the System; and that if New York reduces its discount rate to 1 1/2 per cent, he will recommend the same rate in Boston. He believes that it is inadvisable to buy more government securities at the moment but that even so he would, of course, be willing to buy government securities at the present time from any member bank that needed accommo dation in that fashion. He felt that while the program might be right or wrong, the only thing to do, in view of all the circumstances discussed by the conference, is to go through with it, \vGovernor Fancher stated that the economic situation throughout the world has seriously changed in the past year and is perhaps more serious than ever; gold flow is most important; program designed to check it. the and he said that he was willing to go along with any He also agreed that the System can lend its efforts to make money so cheap as to put it to work. He stated that it was probable that Cleveland would not reduce its discount rate but that the System cannot afford to go along drifting in this extreme situation, and that he was, therefore, in favor Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 5 of the recommended program. (<Govern or Seay stated that he had no great degree of confidence that the proposed policy will accomplish anything very definite or that business recovery is dependent upon any further ease in credit. He intimated that it was possible that a further easing program might be construed as a move in the wrong direction and as a policy of desperation. He did feel, however, that any move that would force banks to reduce rates which they pay on deposits is a most important one, and that if the proposed program fafls in accomplishing that, the program itself would fail. He stated that if New York reduces its rate to 1 1/2 per cent, he would recommend a reduction in tho Richmond rate to thrae per cent* He felt, therefore, that while the program may or may not accomplish good, it would probably have very little risks attached to it, and that as far as possible the Richmond bank would follow the program. ^Governor Black stated that, in his opinion, the present situation is extreme and that it was important that we do something; that there were only three courses before the Systems (1) that it should follow a policy of further pressure by going up in its rates, (2) that we should maintain the status quo, or (3) that we should make further ease. H& hopes and believes that the program recommended by Governor Harrison will be effective, at least in part; the gold which we have more useful; that it would tend to make and that it would tend to drive some short time money to work, which is what the situation now needs. He questions whether f the Clearing House banks in New York will further reducejtheir rates, but that even so that should not deter us in the adoption of the program, which he is pre pared to follow. He said that the Atlanta bank would follow on bill rate reduc tions but is not sure what the bank would do about discount rate, but that he is determined to have the Atlanta bank follow the program as far as it can. Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 6 (Governor McDougal stated that the gold problem, as discussed by the conference, is an impressive one and should be corrected, if possible; is the big question before us. problem; that that The banking situation is also an outstanding and that while he thinks money rates are now cheap enough and does not see how cheaper rates will stimulate business, nevertheless it may serve to move gold elsewhere. In his judgment, there is no danger in the stock market but fears that low or lower rates may lead banks to take imprudent steps. He was not in favor of buying governments at the moment but that if lower discount rates were established in the Eastern districts, Chicago would probably have to follow, lvGovemor Martin said that there is no historical precedent for the present situation, and that it would, therefore, be difficult to predict the results of the proposed policy. He saw some objections to it but, on the whole, the majority of reasons were in favor of it. What objections there are he felt could be overcome if we were prepared to go quickly enough to reversal. He was in favor of trying the experiment and said that St. Louis would follow with reductions in the bill rates and probably with the discount rate. IVGovernor Geary was somewhat at a loss to foresee the precise results of the proposed policy but was willing to give it a fair trial at this time and was willing to vote for it. ^Governor Talley stated that he still has confidence that gold will finally express itself. It always has in' the past sooner or later, and he said we are now at a practical minimum of discounts and have only #180,000^000 of bills to be absorbed. If gold cones beyond that point, it will certainly express itself in the country’s credit structure. The proposed program would bring this event nearer. He also agreed that the policy would tend to shove short time funds outside of New York, though probably not into remote country districts. In his judgment, there Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 7 was some question whether it ?/ould be desirable to have the New York banks reduce their interest rates further; that it was more desirable, in his mind, for thpse banks to send money abroad into short caanercial credits. While somewhat appre hensive about attempting the policy, he saw little anmunition loft, and he was in favor of trying it. ((Deputy Governor Worthington said that while the Kansas City bank has felt for some time that money rates have been too low and that there would be no revival in business until rates go up, nevertheless he sees no objection to the program and that it was necessary, in his judgment, now to make some effort to overcame present difficulties. He sees no harm and possible good in the program and that Kansas City would always cooperate with any plan approved by the conference. \VGovernor Calkins said that he agreed with the desirability of harmo nious action in the System but questioned how harmonious it would be unless a program is agreed to without reluctance* He is somewhat skeptical of the pro posed program because of the fact that the present situation was so lacking in precedents that it is not possible to compare it with the past. Furthermore, conditions are largely psychological and causes of it go away back to the war at least. He disagrees with the theory that small reductions in bill rates and discount rates would stimulate credit or that it is possible to make the gold standard work in any orthodox fashion when two nations have most of the gold* He referred to the fact that the Federal Reserve System has already contributed in a large measure to the mobility of credit because of the telegraphic transfer system, and that indeed this system contributed largely to the inflation during 1928 and 1929. The big question, in his mind, is whether we would be prepared to correct or reverse tho policy if it proves to be wrong, but that San Francisco will be prepared to follow and participate in the program, even though not with the wholehearted acquiescence which he thinks so advisable* Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 8 ^Governors Moyer and Harrison then said that they did not have any fixed certainty of the outcome of the procedure but that it was one in which wc had little* if any* volition since it would be forced upon us by the present gold movement sooner or later, in any event. liAfter further general discussion and upon recommendation of Governor Harrison, the conference \VOTED that pending another meeting of the conference, as soon as that may be deemed necessary by the Federal Reserve Board or the members of the conference, the executive committee of the conference should be author ized, if and when it appears to them necessary or advisable, to purchase up to $100,000,000 of government securities*^ Ghairmani Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority a r ™ TAT , MINUTES OF MEETING OF THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE HELD AT THE OFJICES OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD WASHINGTON, D. C., JANUARY 8 1 ^ 1931, The meeting convened at 10:00 o*clock, there being present the following: Governors Youngj Fancher, Seay, Black, McDougal, Martin, Geery, Talley, Calkins and Harrison, Chaiiman Deputy Governors Hutt, Worthington and Burgess, secretary# The preliminary memorandum submitted by the chairman and the report of the secretary covering System operations in government securities were dis tributed and read by those present. It was moved and. carried that these re ports be received and placed on file* * Governor Harrison then reviewed for the conference his discussions with European bankers and others and the impressions he gathered on his recent European trip# In the course of extended discussion of these matters Governor Harrison pointed out that the world owes tho United States on balance about #600,000,000 each year, and that payment has to be made in gold, in imports from foreign countries to us, or by borrowing from us. These countries were unable to send us much more gold, their exports to us were now limited and now finan cing curtailed. Their only alternative was to diminish their purchases of goods from us, which was now being done to our detriment. He indicated that the people he met abroad appeared to bulieve that recovery from the present business depression depends largely on America, part ly for psychological reasons and partly because of the importance of exports to us and borrowing from us. Generally speaking he felt that tho economic situation of European countries had grown distinctly worse since his visit last spring, and has probably grown somewhat worso in tho weuks since his recent return from Europe# Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 Aftur general discussion with regard to the foreign situation, Governor Harrison referred to tiie reduction of the discount rate of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, effective liecember 24, 1930, He indicated that the banking situation was of primary importance in the decision. He had been urged from many quarters to make a reassuring statement which might aid in quieting the banking situation. Such.a statement was practically impossible because to be strong enough to do any good it would run the risk of being contra dicted by any small bank failure which might thereafter occur# The rate re duction, apart from other reasons, served as a method of stating to the public that money was freely available. by the money situation. It would probably help the foreign situation as well as the domestic situation. to reduce her rate* The rate reduction was justified technically, Incidentally, it might make it easier for France The discount rate decision had been made very rapidly, and there had not been an opportunity to discuss the matter with most of the other Reserve banks. In fact* the proposal had only arisen after the meeting on December 20 of the executive committee of the Open Market Policy Conference* Governor Harrison referred to the holdings of sterling bills purchased during the period of greatest weakness of sterling last autumn. He said it had been the intention to sell these bills some time after the turn of the year, when it was hoped that sterling would be strong enough to make that an orderly operation. Recent weakness of sterling, however, has made this program seem undesirable up to this time, and instead of the sale of sterling the directors of the New York bank had voted at their last meeting to sell a part of the se curities which had been added to the portfolio of the New York bank during the recent banking emergency* Governor McDougal commented on the recent discount rate change by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago and indicated with regard to the last three changes in their discount rate that in the case of the first two of these changes Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 3 it had been hoped that the reduction in the rate would have some encouraging effect upon business, but that the latest change had been made without any such belief, but was designed to correct to some extent the large differential of 1 1/2$ between the Chicago rate and that of the New York bank* Governor McDougal expressed the hope that there would be no further re duction in the bill rate; that money was too cheap with Federal funds quoted at 1/4 of one per cent; and that it would be better for the market to get the bills if it wanted them* Governor Calkins suggested that the position should be one in which we kept our bill rate low, but tried to correct any over-sloppy condition in the money market by the sale of government securities* Several of those present concurred in this view* There ensued a discussion as to the statement of facts in the prelim inary memorandum submitted by the chairman, and Governor Harrison further re viewed the changes in the money market since the last meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference, pointing out that the seasonal expansion in the requirements for Federal reserve credit up to the time of financial disturbances nad oeen less than normal, and bill purchases appeared to be sufficient to take care of seasonal needs without additional purchases of government securities. This appeared to be true 1 until the banking emergency when the New York bank had found it necessary to take over securities from two member banks and at the end of tho year when pur** chases were necessary in order to avoid too great tightening of credit due to an unusual amount of ’ ’ window dressing*” Purchases made for the open market account had since been liquidated as had also $20,000,000 of the emergency purchases made by the New York bank. Since the turn of the year the return flow of funds ap peared to have greatly aided the bond market. cess deal* There had been a considerable ex of reserves of the New York City banks, though this had fluctuated a good It was the general plan of the New York bank to liquidate the balance of / Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority E a IO Z q I 4 the temporary purchases of ^45,000,000 of securities, as the surplus of reserves offered opportunity without interfering with the bond and money market. It was moved by Governor McDougal that it was xhe sense of the confer ence that the present was an opportune time to let government securities go from the open market portfolio as and when it could be done without undue disturbance, with the understanding that sales should not be made rapidly and should be made in orderly fashion. Governor McDougal explained this motion by saying that some time ago System open market operations had followed a general principle which he believed to be sound, and should be reverted to, that whenever the market is ready to take bills and government securities the Reserve System should sell them, and conversely, the System should acquire them when the market cannot take them readily* On this principle he would like to hold bill rates where they were to push bills out of the System, Governor Harrison coumented that if we sell governments' we should have the bill rate at a point nearer to the market so that we might be ready to take in bills without such a big penalty to the seller. He would not favor any sales of governments unless the bill window were opened to provide in this way any money the market required. There ensued a general discussion as to how a general policy might be tr stated in which Governors Harrison, Black, Young, and Seay participated, all of them agreeing that a statement of policy as well as proposed action was important. Governor Young stated that a sale of $50,000,000 or $60,000,000 of governments might perhaps injure the bond market; that a eomercial banker who saw a reduction in government holdings of the Reserve System would be inclined to sell bonds. In any event it was important to decide the general policy whether the conference favored firmer or easier money, or the status quo. Governor Black presented a substitute resolution to that of Governor McDougal, the provisions of which were then discussed. The morning meeting adjourned at 1:10, Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ]T,fr/0£0/ 5 The meeting reconvened at 2:37, and after further discussion the follow ing resolution was adopted by unanimous vote: ❖ The Conference has considered the preliminary memorandum submitted by the Chairman and has reviewed business and credit conditions as they now appear. It is the sense of the Conference that in view of these con ditions it should be the policy of the System to continue an easy money policy in the best interest of trade and commerce. It is the belief of the Conference, however, that the seasonal return flow of currency and credit and other factors have tended during recent weeks to make for an undue excess of funds in the principal money centers. It is therefore the opinion of the Conference that in these circumstances it would be desirable to dispose of some of the System holdings of government securities as and when opportunity affords itself to do this without disturbance or any (undue *) tightening of the money position. It is understood that there shall be a new meeting of the Con ference as soon as or whenever conditions in the opinion of the Conference or the Federal Reserve Board justify a reconsideration of this policy." ' this word later omitted While this resolution was being typed, Governor Harrison reported brief ly his appearance before the Senate sub-committee investigating monetary problems# At 4:30 Governor Meyer and Messrs. Hamlin, James, Miller, and Goldenweiser, McClelland, and Smead joined the meeting. Governor Harrison reviewed the discussions of the Conference, read the preliminary memorandum of the chairman, and the resolution stating the findings of the conference. He also reported the action of the directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in voting to sell $35,000,000 of government securities out of the emergency purchase made during December, of which amount $20,000,000 had already been sold. Mr. Miller inquired whether the banks of other districts than New York had surplus reserves. Governors Young and McDougal replied that the banks in the Boston and Chicago districts did not have surpluses* Mr. Miller inquired how surplus reserves were to be interpreted, and Governor Harrison replied that ; they appeared to indicate first, little demand for funds by borrowers, and second, \ \ reluctance to employ funds. lie stated that the New York banks were in a very Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority ]T , f r / 0 £ 0 / 6 liquid position, their per cent of liquid assets being as high as perhaps ever before. Governor McBougal stated that the three largest banks in Chicago showed a very liquid statement, probably never exceeded in liquidity. Governor Harrison said that the recent test in New York of the ability of certain banks to stand losses of 30$ to 50fo of their deposits raised the question of the desirability of the Federal Reserve System having power to dis count notes secured by listed bbnds under proper safeguards. He believed such a provision might make it much easier to deal with cases of banks facing runs. Mr. Miller suggested that the banking situation might be suffering just now from excessive caution and excessive desire for liquidity. Governor Harrison replied that that was one reason why our easy money policy had not proved more effective. Governor Meyer suggested that money was not really easy until last summer, and that the expected good results from easy money had been interrupted by bank failures and other difficulties, Mr. Miller referred to a memorandum which he had received relating to the possible use of Clearing House certificates and discussing the liquidity of the city banks, which was then read by the assistant secretary of the Federal eserve Board, Governor Meyer stated that the banking situation was at present the primary thing to consider, and that whatever policy was adopted should be adopted with that in view. He suggested that bill maturities would respond to changes in the money market, and would act as a buffer in taking up surplus funds. Any proposal for the liquidation of governments should consider the present extra ordinary reluctance of banks to show bills payable. The present banking situa tion was so delicate that it could be easily disturbed. Governor Harrison pointed out that the resolutions of the conference represented a compromise since some of those present were in favor of considerable sales of securities, while others were only in favor of such moderate sales as Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 1 might be necessary to take up some of the slack. Governor Meyer suggested that any move which the Federal Reserve System made in its automatic assets immediate ly put the acts of the System on the skyline where they were subject to observa tion and criticism. — Governor Harrison indicated that he would not be content with even the proposed moderate program of sales of governments unless the buying rates for bills were nearer to the market rate, as bills coming back to the System would act as a safety valve in case too much funds were withdrawn from the market. !J Mr. Miller stated that the banking situation was now more important than the credit situation, and asked what the governors wure planning to do in different districts if further banking trouble started. The Federal reserve bank is the normal place of leadership, and plans should be developed to keep any bank with good resources from suffering. Governor Harrison outlined a method which had been devised in New York to deal with any banks which might hereafter be in trouble. At this point Governor Harrison left the meeting. Governor Meyer stated that a reduction of bills and discounts of the System did not involve tho launching of any major policy, whereas the sale of governments is commonly interpreted as a major move in Federal reserve policy. The Reserve System has been accused in a number of quarters of pursuing a de flationary policy in the past year, and a sale of government securities at this time is likely to draw fire. In this situation it would appear most desirable to avoid a move which appears to represent a major change in policy when there is no necessity for doing it. Governor Young said that those present would certainly not favor any program which they believed would affect bank confidence, or that was a new and major change in policy. Government bonds had first been bought under an emergency, and their purchase had proved helpful, but there was a limit to what the System could do in buying bonds. Some sales would put the System into a position to go Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 8 back into the market and buy again if it is necessary. Governor McDougal pointed out that no one present was desirous of dump ing securities in the market, but they favored a program that would be worked out gradually, Governor Calkins stated that he believed the word "undue" should be omitted in the phrase "any undue tightening of the money position." There seemed to be general sentiment in favor of this suggestion. Governor Meyer stated that in this position the Board has an apparent responsibility to the country; that the world was now in the worst economic con dition that he had ever seen. There had been the worst breakdown in credit conditions which he had witnessed. The present situation in Germany and Australia in which a nation’s credit was at question being cases in point. employment, unrest, and discontent were severe. Un Under these circumstances every thing which the Federal Reserve System does which is or may be interpreted as a move in major policy is on the skyline. Governor Calkins stated that the proposal was not considered as a major change in policy, that his idea was that a beginning of sales might be made by letting February 16 maturities of Treasury bills run off. It could not be con sidered a major change in policy because it provides specifically for the "con tinuance of an easy money policy." The meeting adjourned at 6:15* W. Randolph Burgess, Secretary, Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERENCE HELD AT THE OFFICES OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD, WASHINGTON, D. C., DECEMBER 20, 3,930. ^ / 2 / 3^ The meeting was called to order at 10:30 a. m . , there being present Governor Meyer and Messrs. Hamlin and James of the Federal Reserve Boa^d. Undersecretary Mills Mr. McClelland Governors Young, Harrison and Fancher, and Deputy Governors McKay and Burgess, secretary. At 10:40 Messrs. Goldenweiser and Smead entered the meeting, and at 10:45, Governor Norris. Governor Harrison reported concerning the developments in recent weeks in the New York banking situation, including a review of the events preceding the failure of the Bank of United States, and of the events since that time affect ing other institutions. He indicated that on Saturday, December 13, when one of the large institutions in New York was having heavy withdrawals of currency, the Reserve bank had purchased from this institution about $40,000,000 par amount of government securities in order that that bank might acquire sufficient reserve funds without unduly increasing its borrowing. These securities were purchased for the account of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York as a temporary emergency purchase. Governor Harrison then reviewed his European trip and his conversations with representatives of central banks and others in France, England, and Germany. At 12 p. m* the representatives of the Federal Reserve Board and Mr. Ogden Mills retired from the meeting which reconvened with Messrs. Young, Harrison, Norris, Fancher, McKay, and Burgess present. Governor Meyer rejoined the meeting at 1:00 o ’clock. The preliminary memorandum dealing with the credit situation was dis tributed and read by those present. ensued. An informal discussion of the memorandum 0 Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority E g . / o Z o ) ^Governor Harrison then summarized the credit position, indicating that, owing to some tenseness in the banking situation, the public state of mind was now more sensitive than when the program of the Open Market Policy Conference meeting on September 25 had been adopted, which provided for a possible purchase of up to $100,000,000 Government securities if necessary, as a supplement to bill purchases, to prevent any tightening of the money market due to seasonal or other causes. It was his view that if there was any difficulty in securing an adequate amount of bankers acceptances to take care of all seasonal needs for the next ten days, the committee should be prepared promptly to buy governments rather than have any in crease in nervousness arise from any indication of strain in the money situation. This question was then discussed by the members of the committee. In the course of discussion reference was made to the banking situation at different important centers, the probable currency and window dressing demands‘over the first of the year, and problems which had arisen in connection with some discrim ination against certain names existing in the market for bankers acceptances. Those present agreed that if any real need arose they would be willing to leave it to the judgment of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York whether some additional amount of government securities should be purchased within the |100,000,000 authority with the understanding that the New York bank would keep in close communication with the members of the committee. With reference to the question as to whether any governments purchased at this time or other governments in the portfolio should be sold after the turn of the year, while it seemed to be the sense of the committee that this would prove undesirable or difficult in all the circumstances, it was agreed that a meeting of the open market policy conference should be held early in January to consider future policies at that time. January 12 was suggested as a satisfactory date.* The meeting adjourned at 1:15 p. m. George L. Harrison, Chairman. Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority E G ' / o Go i ^ ' >W w' •?> I~(r KflTOfflS OF THB MEETING OF TEE O M H KAHKET POLICY COMPERJMCE iTOT.-n AT THE OFFICES OF THE FEDKRA1 RESERVE BOARD, WASHINGTON, %. C. SEPTEMBER 25 , 1830 V cjj x S / 3 0 The meeting was called to order at 10:30 a. m., there being present Governors Harrison (chairman), Young, Norris, Fancher, McDougal, Black, Martin, Bailey, Geery, Talley and Calkins, and Deputy Governors Peple and Worthington, m Governor Harrison referred to the discussion which had taken place th^ \ day before at the conference of governors with respect to th® procedure followed by the open market policy conference since the last meeting of the conference in June, and suggested, as had been the sense of the governors conference, that the procedure to be followed by the open market policy conference should be one which contemplates the formation of a general System policy by the whole conference with a mandate to the executive consaittee to execute the policy so as to attain the objectives agreed Upon by the conference. Such a procedure would avoid the neces sity of -casing a new meeting of the whole conference except at such times as consideration of a change of general policy appeared to be necessary either to the Board pr to th© members of the conference'* At the same time it would empower th© executive committee to take such steps as might be deemed necessary by it to execute the policy without the steed for calling a meeting of the whole conference whenever it might be necessary to buy or sell securities in order to carry out the policy agreed upon. Ihile nofoimalvote was taken it appeared to be the sense of the conference that this would be the most practicable procedure to be followed in the formation and execution of open market pq^icies of the System. 1>overnor Harrison reviewed the status of foreign accounts with the Federal reserve banks, and poin$Qd out tbe changes which had taken place since the last meeting of the conference* pe also discussed the general position of the various central banks of issue abroad, calling attention to the fact that th© gold reserves of most of those banks have not only increased in percentage but in actual '« / i / 3 o 3 3 3 , - c - 2- Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority E o . i o s o f o |dlount during tho past year. The increase in the reserve percentage of most of these foreign institutions is due not only to an increase in the actual gold supplies of the respective banks but also to a very substantial decrease in note and deposit liabilities, the decline ranging in most cases from 25$ to 50% from a year ago. He pointed out that this, of course, reflected the depression in busi ness flnri trade which exists in those countries and throughout tho world. This depression was further evidenced by the figures which were presented to indicate 1 the substantial decline in both the export and import trade of most every one of i^the principal countries in Europe, South America, and the Far East.^ The report of the aecretary of the open market policy conference outlining all of the operations for the System account since the last meeting of the confer ence, which was submitted to the members of the conference the day before, was considered and by vote of the conference was accepted and placed on file. The preliminary memorandum dated September 23, 1930, which had also been submitted to the conference the day before by the chairman was then discussed at some length and by vote of the conference was accepted and placed on file. ^ I Governor Harrison then stated that it was in order, on the basis of the facts submitted in the preliminary memorandum, ^s well as in the discussion of all of the governors, to consider the formation of an open market policy for the System, it being pointed out that at the present time the conference has authority to pur chase not to exceed $50,000,000 in order to maintain the present easy money position. The question before the conference was whether there should be a change in this policy and if so what that change should be. *Governor McDougal stated that he believes it to be important that the executive committee should have^power to operate, that is^ authority both to buy and sell government securities, when nocessary. Hfe added, however, that in his opinion money conditions in the principal centers are now too easy and that this \ was probably largely due to the operations of the Federal reserve banks in the open market, but that he would not at the moment favor the sale of any government Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority /0 ^ 0 j 3 securities. Ho felt nevertheless that it might be advisable to allow some of the System’s holdings of bills to fall off. Governor Young stated that this could probably bo dono only by increasing the acceptance rate. Both Governors McDougal and Norris felt that there might be some advantage in a slight increase in tho bill rato. Governor Harrison mentioned, however, that any such action would necessarily have a tightening influence and that such action should be made dependent entirely upon whether or not the System was to agree upon a general firming money policy. Governor Norris, after a brief discussion of his views with regard to open market policy, read to the conference & memorandum which he toad prepared and which he stated had been approved by his directors.'* After discussion of this memorandum, upon the suggestion of Governor Young, it \ informally agreed that it. should be made a part of the record of the con ference. A copy of that memorandum is hereto attached. tt Before adjournment for luncheon, Governor Harrison stated that he hoped that after lunch the conference would be prepared to vote on a definite open market policy for the System, that is, (1) whether the System should lend its influence towards further easing of the credit situation, (2) whether it should seek to maintain the status quo, or (3) whether it should decide upon a firming money policy. At 1:15 p. m. the conference adjourned to reconvene at-2:30 p. m. At 2:30 p. m. the conference reconvened (with Governors Bailey, Black and Talley absent) and continued its discussion of the business and credit situation in relation to the System’s open market policy. 'Governor Fancher said that while credit and money rates were very easy in the larger cities in his district and in his opinion perhaps a little too easy, he did not think that now is a time to sell government securities. Governor Calkins in summarizing the situation said that he would not be in favor of any further easing at this time nor would he be in favor of any tightening, that while money rates are now very easy, nevertheless it was his Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authoi% E ,o * ir tG o f 4 judgment that this is not the time to change tho System policy and that he favors maintaining the status quo* Mr. Peple said that he and Governor Seay, who could not be present at the conference, were in substance in favor of the views expressed by Governor Calkins. Governor Geery agreed with Governor Calkins, but said that he would prefer to see member banks borrow a. little more from the Federal reserve banks before any purchase of securities was undertaken. Governor Young stated that, in his opinion, credit conditions are very easy but that this is no., time to attempt any change, that he favors maintenance of tho status quo, and that in order to execute such a policy he feels that the System should be in a position either to buy or sell securities. It was his judgment, however, that there would be no real opportunity to sell securities until the turn of the year when the normal return flow of credit and currency would perhaps afford appropriate opportunity for some sales of securities. Mr. Worthington stated that Governor Bailey was of the opinion that some action toward firming would be wise when possible but that the question of time was the important factor and that the turn of the year would probably be the right time to take such action. Governor Harrison stated that he was in agreement with what appeared to be the opinion of tbs majority of the members of the conference, that quite regardless of the past, the present policy of the System should be to maintain the present easy money position in the principal money centers and that while the System should be prepared to buy or to sell government securi ties in order to maintain that position, nevertheless there appears to be no reason at the present time either to buy or to sell. He then outlined a report with recommendations which he submitted for the consideration of the conference and after some discussion (during the course of which Governors Talley and Black rejoined the meeting), the open market policy conference voted to approve the following report: "The Open Market Policy Conference has considered the preliminary memorandum submitted to it by the chairman and has reviewed at length general business and credit conditions. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority ]z ~ ,fy /0 £ 0 / "In view of the continued sever© depression in busi ness activity, trade, and commodity prices in this country, as well as the rest of the world, it is the sense of the conference that it should be the policy of tbe System, so far as possible, to maintain the present easy money rate position in the principal money centers, it being the opinion of the conference that under present conditions no further easing of such money rates would be advisable and that no firming of such rates would be desirable whether because of seasonal requirements, gold exports, or other auses. /ITTsT^herefore, recommended that the executive comndttiin&o authorized, if necessary, to supplement bill purchases by the purchase of government securities in tho event that the seasonal demand for Federal Reserve credit, gold exports, or other factors should tend unnecessarily to tighten present money rates, and that in the event that any conditions should develop which would require sales of government securities to execute this policy, the executive committoe should be authorized to make such sales. It is understood, however, that if the com mittee should have to buy or sell more than $100,000,000 of ^ government securities to maintain the status quo, new authority should be procured in accordance with the prescribed procedure. "It is recommended that there should be another meet ing of the Open Market Policy Conference early in January, unless a change in conditions suggests to the Board or the members of the conference the advisability of an earlier meeting." ^ Governors Me Dougal and Calkins voted in the negative and Governor Talley asked to be recorded as not voting. Governor McDougal explained that he voted "no" on the ground that he thought some firming of rates might be advis * able at this time. Governor Calkins explained that his negative vote was based upon the fact that authority to buy or sell up to $100,000,000 rather than $50,000,000 might be construed as a further easing policy rather than a policy to maintain the status quo inasmuch as the committee now has authority to buy v\^upjto only $50,000,000. The open market policy conference adjourned at 5:30 P» m. to meet in joint conference with the Federal Reserve Board and the conference of Federal Reserve Agents. The meeting reconvened at 3:45 p. m. with the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Agents. Governor Hairison reported in some detail the discussion of the members of the open market policy conference concerning present business and credit Reproduced fromthe UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority / conditions in relation to tho System’s open market policy, and after summarizing tho viev/s of different members of the conference, he reported the action taken by the conference, recorded above. Governors McDougal and Calkins explained their reasons for voting in the negative and Governor Talloy stated the reasons why ho had asked to be recorded as not voting. There ensued a general discussion of credit policies in which ono of e members of the Foderal Roserve Board asked whether the conference had con sidered the advisability of a very much more active open market program involving substantially larger purchases of government securities with a view to forcing upon tho country a more active use of credit through the stimulus of such purchases of securities by tho System. Governor Harrison explained that that had not been considered specifically because of the fact that the majority of the conference felt so strongly that there is no need for any further easing of the present easy money rate position at the pro^ont time. The meeting adjourned at 4;45 p. m. George L. Harrison, Chairman. Reproduced fromthe UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority E q. i o S o i * * MINUTES OP THE U W f i m OF THS EXECUTIVE C<B®UTTSB OF THE OPEN MARKET POLICY CONFERM C E HELD 12? THS OFFICE 0? THS fEDffiAL RESERVE BOJRD WASHINGTON, D. C., JUNE 23, 1930, The meeting was ealled to order at 10:40 a* b u , there being present Governors Harrison {chairman), Norris, P&ncher, McDougal, and Deputy Governors pstddock and Burgess (secretary)* A preliminary memorandum reviewing credit conditions, and the secretary* s report were submitted to the meeting* Governor MeDougal expressed his desire to explain to the committee the reasons underlying Chicago*s participation in the last purchase of Governments, even though as a member of the committee he had opposed the purchase* He expressed the opinion that when the transaction was under consideration there was a surplus of available credit; that money rates were low, and in his opinion too low, and consequently he had voted accordingly* Subsequently it was concluded that not withstanding the action referred to, Chicago would accept its participation in the purchases because of a desire to support the majority of the committee in so far as possible* Governor McDougal further stated that under conditions now current, rather than to further increase the System* s holdings of securities, he would be willing to lot the market have a part of the present holdings of the system, and, furthermore, would favpr letting acceptances go to the investing public where they are in great demand, even though the System* s holdings mi git be materially reduced* Governor McDougal then moved that no further purchases of Government securities be made for System account at tbis time. Governor Harrison stated that the occasion for the meeting was to review the results of purchases of $50,000,000 of securities in the first two weeks in June and to determine whether the executive canmittee desired to recommend any further action to the Open Market Policy Conference, Ho then reviewed recent , Reproduced from the Unclassified/Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 2 developments in business and in the banking situation* pointing out that the busi** ness situation appeared to be growing worse rather 'than better* that eatports aI>e still falling off, that ecueaodity prices continue to decline and that there was as yet no definite indication of a turn for the better. He stated that it was the view of the directors of the New York bank that the Reserve System should continue to do everything possible to establish money conditions which would be favorable to the recovery of business* and particularly which* would provide an ample supply of funds for the bond market and thus afford means of distributing capital to those businesses and sections of the world where purchasing power for our surplus goods is now seriously curtailed* The recent purchase of government securities had been followed by seme further easing of money rates and by some improvement in the bond market* though that market was not strong and was having difficulty in meeting fully the demand for capital funds for business use. This purchase of securities had* however* been largely offset by a decline in the bill holdings of the Reserve System, and it had become clear that in order to keep some surplus supply of funds in the money market and thus stimulate the bond market it would be necessary to continue the purchase of Government securities further* Harrison stated that the directors of the New York Reserve Bank Governor voted at their last meeting that in their opinion further purchases in the amount of about $25*000,000 a week should be continued* Governor Fancher left the meeting at lit30 and returned about 12; 15* Governor Norris stated that the directors of his bank were opposed to any further purchases of Government securities* He indicated that in his view the current business and price recession was to be ascribed largely to over-pro due** tion and excess productive capacity in a number of lines of business rather than to financial causes, and it was his belief that easier money and a better bond market would not help the situation but on the contrary might lead to further in~ creases in productive capacity and further over-production# Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 3 Governor McDougal*s motion was then carried by a vote of four to one: that it was the opinion of the executive committee that it was not desirable at this time for the Federal Reserve System to undertake any further purchases of Government securities for System account at this time. Governor Harrison voted in the negative. Question was raised as to whether it would be desirable to distribute realized profits held in the Open Market Investment Account at the end of the half year rather than waiting until the conclusion of the year as had been voted at the Governors Conference in the autumn of 1929. It was agreed by those present that it was not desirable to make any change in the procedure agreed upon at that time inasnuch as keeping the profits undistributed for the calendar year made it possibl to average out profits and losses. Governor Harrison raised the question as to what would be the policy of the System in case it was found that discounts of the System began to increase accompanying a continued seasonal decline in bill holdings It was agreed by those present that any considerable increase in discounts should lead to a further consultation as to the policy to be pursued, since an increase in discounts was not desirable at this time. The meeting adjourned at 1;35|># m. During lunch at the Hotel Washington at which all members of the committee were present the earning position of the different Reserve banks, as shown by a tabulation of actual figures for the first five months and estimated figures for the last seven months of the year was discussed. It was agreed by those present that it would not be desirable to have a general redistribution of security holdings in the System account, in view of the fact that most of the Reserve banks would prohably show a loss in their operations for the year, and any distribution would simply operate to reduce the deficit shown by one bank at the expense of increasing the deficit shown by another bank. Those present, there fore, agreed that the distribution of purchases of bills and governments should Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority 4 continue to be made on the same basis as in recent months; that is, on the basis of the size and general earning requirements of the banks as determined by their expenses, dividends, and charge offs# The meeting reconvened at 3:35 p. m. with the Federal Reserve Board, there being present Vice Governor Platt and Messrs. Hamlin, James, and Pole, and hlso Messrs. McClelland, Smead, and Carpenter* and For the committee, Governors Harrison, No iris, and Fancher, and Deputy Governors Paddock and Burgess. Governor McDougal found it necessary to take an earlier train. Governor Harrison reported the findings of the Conference, stated the position of the New York bank, and summarized the views of the other members of the committee. These views were further amplified by Governor Norris, Governor Fancher, and Mr. Paddock. There ensued a general discussion. Mr. Platt submitted to the meeting a letter dated June 16 from Governor Calkins, a copy of which is attached herewith* The meeting adjourned at 4:30 p. ia* Reproduced from the UnclassifiedI Declassified Holdings ofthe NationalArchives DECLASSIFIED Authority £ , 0 * I 0 5 0 ] FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF SAN FRANCISCO Juno 16, 1930* Mr. Roy A. Young, Governor, Federal Reserve Board, Washington, D. c. My dear Governor Young: Recalling somewhat late a remark you made to the effect that when a bank disapproves of the recommendations of the Open Market Policy Conference it might properly advise the Board as to the reasons for its disapproval, I think I may briefly summarize our reasons for not participating in the |50,000,000 Governments recently purchased as follows: a* With credit cheap and redundant we do not believe that business recovery will be accelerated by making credit cheaper and more redundant. b. We find no reason to believe that excessively cheap money will promote or create a bond market, seeing evidence in the recent past to the contrary, and, further, do not consider the promotion or creation of a bond market one of the functions of the Federal Reserve System* c* We believe that there may come an opportune moment to put money into the market when that action will have a beneficial effect and feel that if, at such a time, our open market portfolio of Governments is excessive there may be hesitation to increase it. There is much more that might be argued, but I have endeavored to summarize briefly. Yours very truly, (s) Jno. U. Calkins, Governor* Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority minutes of the meeting of t h e o pe n m ar ke t p ol ic y conference HTCT.n a t THE OFFICES OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD WASHINGTON, D* C., May 21 and 22, 1930, The meeting was called to order by Governor Young at 10:40 a# m. H ^->30 The following were present: From the Federal Reserve Board, Governor Young and Messrs. Cunningham, Hamlin, James, Miller, Platt, and Pole. Frcm the Federal Reserve Board’s staff, Messrs. Goldenweiser, McClelland and Staead. From the Federal Reservo Banks, Governors Harrison, Norris, Seay, Black, Fanchor, Geery, Martin, Talley and Calkins, and Deputy Governors Burgess and McKay. Dr. Goldenweiser presented the facts as to the recent credit situation. Governor Young asked the Conference to consider whether or not it was desirable to hold a Governors Conference in the near future. Governor Young reported informally on the discussion of the Federal Advisory Council with, the Federal Reserve Beard on May 19. Governor Young reported that the Open Market procedure as amended by the meeting of Governors of the Reserve banks on March 25 had been submitted to all the Reserve banks and t&at they had all indicated their willingness to participate in accordance with the suggested procedure. The New York bank had accompanied its acceptance with a letter explaining its interpretation of tho proposed procedure. A copy of this letter was distributed to the Governors and is attached herewith. In view of the acceptance of the procedure by all Resorvo banks which was approved by the Federal Reserve Board, Governor Young indicated that this meeting might be regarded as tho first regular meeting of the Open Market Policy Conference. Governor Young indicated that a number of suggestions had come informally II before the Federal Resorvo Board from various quarters, including the following: Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority IT,#. 2 1. A sale of securities for the purpose of checking speculation, improving bank earnings, and aiding the liquidation of security loans, / 2. A sale of $200,000,000 of Government securities to bring about an adjustment of System earning assets so that re discounts might be approximately equal to the total of Government securities and bankers acceptances held, this salo of securities to be simultaneous with reductions in the discount rates of a number of the Reserve banks. 3. One Reserve bank in order to increase its earnings was considering the desirability of its buying for its own account in the market $500,000 a month of Government securities, 4* A proposal to purchase Government securities and reduce , / discount rates to secure a deliberate inflation of credit for the benefit of business, particularly through the bond market, 5. To do nothing now but to be prepared to meet autumn seasonal requirements for Federal reserve credit (computed at between $350,000,000 and $400,000,000) by purchases of Government securities and increases in bill holdings. There followed a brief discussion of the implications of the findings of the last meeting of Governors on March 25, Governor Young indicated that he had hesitated to vote favorably on the New York application for a three per cent discount rate because of the position of Governors at that meeting on M&rch 25. Governor Harrison indicated that the Now York Reserve bank ho was sure did not want to be in a position of feeling that they were violating the spirit of the findings of the Open Market Policy Conference in making a change in disccunt rate following such a conference, particularly when a number of ?/eeks had elapsed after the conference. The decision as to discount rates he regarded as primarily the responsibility of the boards of directors of tho rospective Reserve banks subject to the review of tho Federal Reserve Board, and he did not believe the action of the Open Market Policy Conference should be regarded as in any way restricting freedom of action on discount rates, A number of othor governors indicated their agreement with Governor Harrison’s statement. rmr Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ]T,Q/0£0/ 3 At 11:45 the representatives of the Federal Reserve Board re'tired from the meeting and the Open Market Policy Conference reconvened by itself. The action taken in the organization of the Conference at the meeting pja. March 25 was reaffirmed both as to the election of the representative of the Hew York bank as chairman of the conference and as ex-officio chairman of the Executive Ccouiittee, and as to the appointment for one year of an executive coe^ttee composed of the representatives of Boston, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Chicago and New York banks. It was agreed that in following the principle of reasonable rotation in the membership of the executive committee, there should be sufficient flexibility so that the committee should not be made up altogether of new members and should be fairly representative of different sections of the country and various interests* Mr. Burgess was elected secretary of the conference for one year, Mr. Harrison explained the considerations which had led to the calling of the Co&f^rence indicating in particular that he desired an opportunity to report to the othejp Governors concerning his recent trip abroad, and also that a full dis cussion of the credit situation seemed desirable prior to the beginning of the vacation season. Governor Harrison then gave a full Report of his trip ta Europe, of the point of view with regard to the credit and business situation held by the heads of bank* of issue of different countries, the developments with regard to the gold position abroad, and with regard to the establishment of the Bank for International Settlements and the extent of its relation to the banks of issue, and in particular to the Federal Reserve System. In the course of the discussion Governor Harrison emphasized the worldwide nature of the recent price declines and business depression, and indicated the in*fluence of this world depression upon the position of the United States as reflected In part by the fact that this country’s export trade for the first quarter of this year was about 22 per cent less than in the like period of 19£9 and the import trade was approximately 20 per cent less* While the worldwide depression appeared in Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority jT rfr/O ^ O / 4 part to be due to an over-production of certain principal conmodities it also appeared to reflect a shortage of working capital, and thus a restriction of pur chasing powerf. in a number of countries, and had been affected by the stringent credit conditions prevailing last year in world money markets which in turn were in part a reflection of the use of funds for speculation centering about the New York security markets but worldwide in its scope* The recovery of world trade appeared in turn to be in no small degree dependent upon the restoration of purchasing power through the medium of foreign borrowings in the New York money market, just as the recovery of domestic trade appeared to be much dependent on the new financing for domestic enterprise in the United States. Before the adjournment of the morning meeting the Conference voted it to be the sense of the meeting in response to the specific inquiry made by Governor Young that in view of the full discussion of business and credit conditions had a.t this meeting there was no need for holding the usual spring conference of governors* The morning meeting adjourned at 1:15 p. m. At 2:30 p. m. the Conference reconvened, all of the Reserve Bank repre sentatives being present except Governor Black who joined the meeting at about 3 p. m. Governor Harrison continued his discussion of the European situation and its relation to business and credit conditions in the United States. There were distributed to the meeting and reviewed the preliminary memorandum of the Chairman, the Secretary’s report, and a copy of a letter of May 15 from Mr. Case to Governor Young giving the New York Reserve Bank’s interpretation of the Open Market Policy prodeeure reviewed to March 25. There was further extended discussion of the procedure of the Federal Reserve System in its relationships with the Bank for International Settlements. Those present indicated that they were in agreement with the policy and procedure adopted by the directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, first in passing upon any question submitted to the New York bank by the Bank for International Settlements, in accordance with the terms of the statutes of that institution, Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 5 and second, in giving the Federal Reserve Board an opportunity to dissent frcm the conclusions of the directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York as to any major operations which might affect credit conditions in the country at large. Those present further agreed that it would be impracticable to attempt to submit questions of this sort to the other Federal reserve banks for their views* 35iere ensued a general discussion of the credit situation and the dif ferent proposals which had been made for Federal Reserve action, and there was a discussion by different governors present both as to the degree of the severity of business depression and the extent to which it would be wise for the Reserve System to go in throwing its influence towards easy money and an abundant supply of credit. In the course of the discussion Governor Harrison reported that in a number of recent weeks the Federal Reserve Board had failed to approve without delay applications of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York for a lower raininum buy ing rate on bills, and that for considerable periods the New York bank had therefore been without any downward flexibility in its bill buying rate as was the case at that very time. After discussion it was the sense of the governors present that the minimum buying rate for purchases of bankers acceptances approved by the Federal Reserve Board should always be at a point which will give flexibility in the bill operations of the Federal reserve banks. The discussion reverted to the question which had been raised by Governor Young concerning the relationship between the findings of the Open Maifet Policy Conference and discount rate action by the several Federal reserve banks, and the following motion was adopted: The conference voted to go on record that reconmendations as to the dis count rate of any Federal reserve bank or Federal reserve banks are not within its proper province and that the directors of any Federal reserve bank must be free at any time to change the discount rate of their bank subject only to the review and determination of the Federal Reserve Board. ■BMMapa Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority Kfr/O^Qf 6 The letter of May 15 from Mr. Case to Governor Young giving the New York Reserve Bank’s interpretation of the Open Market Policy procedure, revised to March 25, was read, and it was generally agreed that this interpretation of the procedure was not in anyway inconsistent with the sense of the meeting of March 25. Governor Harrison reported that the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City had requested the allotment of an additional amount of $10,000,000 of Government securities in order that its volume of earning assets might be sufficient to assure an amount of earnings adequate to cover expenses and dividends. A discussion ensued in the course of which it waa reported that a number of tho Reserve banks did not at that time have sufficient earning assets to cover completely their expenses and dividends, and that a redistribution of Government securities to one Beserve bank b without a full consideration of the requirements of all mi$it result in possible unfairness. It was, therefore, agreed that the figures for each Reserve bank should be assembled as of the end of May with a view to determining the results of opera tions of the first five months with respect to earnings, expenses, and dividends, and an estimate be then made of the probable results for the balance of the year on the basis of which new ratios of allotments of securities micbt be determined and necessary readjustments in the Open Market portfolio effected. ^— With regard to the suggestion of one of the Federal reserve banks, that I it be permitted to purchase government securities for the purpose of supplementing its earnings, it was the sense of the conference that the supplementing of income of a Federal reserve bank is not a proper reason for the purchase of governmeaarfr^s^ securities. With regard to the policy to be pursued to meet fall credit requirements, it was th© sense of the conference that, in view of the uncertainties as to credit conditions, it is too early at this time to formulate definite plans as to the means to be used to provide Federal reserve credit to meet autumn seasonal require ments. Reproduced from the Unclassified / Declassified Holdings of the National Archives d e c l a s s if ie d Authority E & ./r tGnj The meeting adjourned at 6:15 p. m. The meeting reconvened at 10:00 ft. m. on the morning of May 22, there being present» Governors Harrison, Norris, Seay, Black, Fancher, Geery, Martin, Talley and Calkins, and Deputy Governor McKay. The action taken on the preceding day as it had been formulated in a series of motions was reviewed and approved by those present. After a further review of the credit position the following minute was adopted: The Conference has considered a preliminary memo randum reviewing domestic business and credit conditions and has discussed at length the present trends in world trade, cormeree and comaodity prices. Particular consideration was given to the rapidly declining volume of our export trade and its probable relation to the decline in commodity prices in this country. It appears to the Conference that conditions in business, agriculture and trade are still seriously depressed, not only in this country but evidently throughout the r$st of the world as well. It is the sense of the Conference that these conditions merit continuous careful observation by the Federal Reserve System in order that the System will be prepared to act promptly in the event that conditions further develop in such a way as to make action seem advis able. In the present circumstances, however, it does Inot) appear to the Conference that any affirmative reconsnendation as to Open Market operations is advisable iustljiqw. But "Tt is the sense of the Conference that if the situation so de velops as to require an Open Market operation by the System the members of the Conference will be prepared to reconvene or else, if a meeting of the whole Conference is not prac ticable, to act promptly on recommendations of its Executive Committee. At 11:00 a. m. the Conference met with the Feioral Reserve Board, there being present, in addition to the above, the following: Governor Young and Messrs. Cunningham, Hamlin, James, Miller and Platt, and Messrs. Goldenweiser, McClelland and Smead. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority ffiGOj 8 The Chairman of the Conference reported on the action taken by the Conference in the matter of its organization. He also read to the meeting the motions passed by the Conference with regard to (a) (b) (c) (d) (e) the spring Governors* Conference, the minimum buying rate for bills, the relation of action of the Conference to discount rates, the purchase of Government securities to supplement earnings, and the policy with respect to meeting autumn credit requirements. The minute with respect to business and credit conditions adopted by the Conference was then read to the Federal Reserve Board and discussed fully. The advisability of the immediate purchase of Government securities was raised by a member of the Federal Reserve Board, frcm the point of view of seeing to it that the Reserve System did everything in its power to remove every possible restraint of business as far as credit was concerned, and particularly as to the desirability of an active bond market. The query was also raised as to whether any formula could be found for the desirable total amount of Federal reserve credit which might be a guide for open market operations* In commenting on the minute submitted by the Conference Governor Harrison indicated that he believed the possible necessity for the purchase of Government securities might become imminent at any time. The meeting adjourned at 12:30 p. m. ¥/. Randolph Burgess, Secretary. Reproduced from the Unclassified I Declassified Holdings of the National Archives DECLASSIFIED Authority 15, 1930 Dear Governor Young: The directors of this bank have considered the Federal Reserve Board’s letter of March 31, 1930, together with the enclosed draft of open market procedure as revised on March 25, 1930, and have voted that this bank accept participation in the open market policy conference under the terms of the proposed plan as they interpret that plan* In considering the plan of procedure it has seemed to our directors that there may be some possible ambiguity with regard to the extent to which the proposed procedure is applicable to Federal reserve bank transactions in bankers acceptances and our directors interpret the revised plan as not establishing any different procedure with respect to bill operations than has existed heretofore* Operations in bankers acceptances are, of course, governed by a technique quite different from operations in government securities. Whereas the volume of purchases or sales of government securities may be determined directly, the volume of holdings of bankers acceptances on the other hand is subject largely to a rate control which must be adjusted promptly from time to time to changing market condi tions, and therefore does not subject itself to determination in advance by an open market policy conference. We are mentioning this matter now only because of our desire to avoid any possible misunderstanding in the future, and to make sure that the plan suggest ed is not intended to set up any new procedure with regard to bill operations. Faithfully yours, (Signed) Honorable Roy A. Young, Governor, Federal Reserve Board, Washington, D. C. J. H. Case, Chaiman.