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Remarks
H. P.

of

WILLIS

before the
PENNSYLVANIA BANKERS1 ASSOCIATION
June 7, 1917,

Mr. Chairman,
and members of the Trust Company Section of the
Pennsylvania Bankers * Association:
In accepting your courteous invitation to join you on
this occasion I said to your Chairman that I thought the topic he
has announced - The Banking Functions of Trust Companies - would
be especially appropriate at this particular time.

The question

is one that is of large general and permanent interest, but just
now has special significance*
As you are aware, many strong trust companies are either
joining, or considering membership in, the Federal reserve system.
National banking associations have, under the Federal Reserve Act,
been granted certain trust company powers.

Many of them have been

approved in the exercise of these powers by the Federal Reserve
Board and are already doing considerable business under them.

The

question is thus plainly suggested: What is to be the line of di­
vision between the banks and the trust companies in the future?
In other words along what line is our banking development to bo
carried by these two classes of institutions? With trust compan­
ies as members of the Federal reserve system and with national




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banks exercising functions heretofore regarded as peculiar to
the trust companies where will the line of division between
them run in the future?
From the abstract standpoint it would probably have
been well had trust companies, from the start, confined them­
selves to the operations especially belonging to their field
in the narrower sense, and had the banks similarly
themselves.

limited

This, however, has not been the history of our bank­

ing development during the past few decades*

The trust company

has come, in many cities, to perform most important and extensive
banking functions.

We must suppose that this has been the result

of real demand and that there is a good reason for growth in the
direction Iiave mentioned.

The fact that this mixture, or fu­

sion, of functions has occurred, must have been due to public
appreciation of the combined service or public desire that the
two classes of duties should not be wholly separated,

I do not

believe that economic institutions develop after any haphazard
plan.

There may be survivals;

perpetuated;

obsolete institutions may be

or peculiar legal conditions may bring about

undesirable or temporary ramifications that would not have oc­
curred had it not been for some special, or local, or perhaps
temporary, cause.
trust companies.




But this is certainly not the case with
They have taken

on

banking

func­

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tions because these were needed and because they could thus serve
the public.

On the other hand, it is not strange that banks have

at times felt themselves hard-pressed by trust company competition
and have in many cases found that the more liberal laws governing
trust company organization and operation subject them to unfavor­
able conditions*

To these circumstances must be ascribed the

grant of trust powers made in the Federal Reserve Act.

Congress

might have proceeded, abstractly speaking, by attempting to legis­
late the trust companies out of the commercial and banking busi­
ness, although it probably would not have succeeded without the
aid and cooperation of State governments.

Be this as it may, the

line of action chosen has been the opposite - that, namely, of
throwing open the field for the exercise of trust powers to the
banks.

This is a condition and not a theory, and it is with the

results of it that we are directly concerned at the present moment.
Must it be supposed that, as time goes on, the banks
of the country will gradually expand their trust powers while the
trust companies will expand their banking powers until the two
classes of institutions have reached something like a parity of
function so that many of them stand upon substantially the same
basis?

In order to follow such a line of development much mors

legislation would be needed as well as many changes in banking
and trust company practice.




It is not likely that such a situa-

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tion will "be reached in the near future.

It is, however, possible,

and even probable, that the development will be to some extent, at
least, in that direction.

The foundation has already been laid

for it and we must expect progress to occur along lines that are
already marked out.

Nevertheless it is practicable to direct the

development ana to make it rational and sound;

to avoid, unneces­

sary conflict and waste of energy in that kind of competition
which does no good and which merely pays too high a price for
lessons of experience better and more cheaply learned in some
other way.

There is a dividing line between the trust company

and the bank that can and must be clearly drawn if our further
advance in banking in the United States is to be efficient and
economical.

'
The key to the solution of this problem of relation­

ship between the banks and trust companies is found in the Federal
reserve system and in the new banking conditions that are being
developed under that system.

As I have indicated, it is as cer­

tain as anything in the banking future that the banking functions
now so well performed by trust companies will continue to expand.
They will maintain themselves as popular banking institutions,
receiving large funds subject to check, making transfers, doing
a foreign exchange business, engaging in many of the lending ac­
tivities that are common to the commercial banks of the country,




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and otherwice occupying and cultivating tho field in which they
have already established themselves under public encouragement,
Our effort to shape conditions must devote itself primarily to
the character of their assets and the adjustment of this character to the business they are doing.

Almost all, I think, will

admit that in proportion as any banking institution accepts de­
mand obligations it should hold itself ready to meet them prompt­
ly and with only the least possible necessity of relying upon
outside aid.

Heretofore trust companies have deposited the bulk

of their ready cash with banks.

They have looked to these banks

to pay them interest upon the deposits so made, and in case of
necessity to assist them with advances upon collateral, usually
of a long-term nature.

So satisfactory have been the relations

thus created between the trust companies and the banks that many
of the companies have hesitated to enter the Federal reserve sys­
tem.

They have known that they could not keep their reserve funds

at interest were they to become members, and in many cases they
have doubted whether they would normally be in position to obtain
aid from the Federal reserve banks in case of necessity because
of the fact that they had not the kind of paper eligible for re­
discount with the reserve institutions. With the first of these
considerations I confess I have never had much sympathy.




The pay-*

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ment of interest by one bank to another upon reserve deposits
is uneconomic and unsound in principle*

In our own country it

has been for many years an established practice, although the
best bankers and financiers have recognized its evils and have
wished to correct it*

The fact that'some of the strongest trust

companies in the country are already members of the Federal re­
serve system.and that others are daily joining it shows that
the logic of the case appeals strongly to trust company manag­
ers - so strongly, In fact, that they have in these representa­
tive cases chosen to forego the interest they have been receiv­
ing upon their reserves carried with the banks.

You are all

familiar with the argument against the earning of interest in
this way and it is not necessary to urge the matter in detail*
Belief on this point is very much like belief in a religious
principle - either you hold to it or you do not, and, if not,
no argument that I could present on this occasion would convert
you.
The other point - the question of the assets held by
the trust companies - presents a quite different problem.

On

that subject, there is a large field of discussion and a still
larger field of work for the improvement of existing conditions,,
Undoubtedly if trust company managers heretofore exercising ncn~
banking functions for the most part could find adequate and rat-




isfactory investments in live commercial paper eligible for re­
discount with Federal reserve banks they would willingly place
a substantial part of their funds in this form,, to the proportion­
ate exclusion of the longer-term investments that have heretofore
absorbed the greater part of their resources*

They would then

be in as good a position as the commercial bank to take advant­
age of the opportunities of the Federal reserve system*

Indeed

they would be able to make, if anything, better use of them in­
asmuch as they £§uld with safety invest a much larger share of
their resources, while at the same time feeling assured of ready
cash when it was needed*

The danger of sudden demands on them

being relatively less urgent, and their need for Cash in vault
correspondingly small er* they could keep their funds closely in­
vested, as many of them now do, but with the assurance, as just
indicated, that such investment would not result in cramping them
at times of need*

yet the fact remains that hitherto the trust

companies have not gone largely into the commercial paper field.
Will they do so in the future?

The answer to this question is

found by inquiring why they have not in the past held more com­
mercial paper - a query to which the reply is very plain*

A

trust company is, as its name implies, vested with certain high­
ly responsible and onerous duties.

Its funds must be as seem 3

as good judgment and sound investment ability can make them.




It

must not take any more risk than is absolutely unavoidable.

Yet,

as every banker knows, investments in commercial paper involve
either a rigid and careful scrutiny of credits or else accept­
ance of the judgment of others with respect to the credits,

The

trust companies have not maintained large credit departments*
That has not been the kind of business for which they were fit­
ted or the field which they chose to enter.

On the other hand

they have not been disposed to accept a mere personal assurance
of the soundness of given paper*

They have desired to find a

field of absolutely reliable investment in business paper which
they could with confidence enter and in which they would find
the investments they sought for their funds, upon as safe a
basis as that provided by the securities market, while at the
same time obtaining a more liquid type of assets available for
conversion into Immediate resources when necessary.

Precisely

such a type of investment the Federal Reserve Act was designed
to supply.

Its provisions with reference to commercial paper

and acceptances were intended tC stimulate the development of
the material of a discount market, while its organization sec­
tions were intended to afford the structure*, of such a market*
If a true discount market could be built up in the United States
the trust company would there find precisely what it needs as
a field for the investment of that part of its assets which it




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is willing to use as secondary reserve.

It would be able to buy

commercial paper with the indorsement of the commercial bank
which had investigated it, or better still, to purchase the ac­
ceptance of such commercial banks themselves.

It would thus

be able to employ its funds in the support of the commercial
business of the country, while the banks of the nation would
first have devoted themselves to the analysis of credits, the
study of the conditions surrounding them, and the approval and
guaranteeing of paper presenting itself from time to time.

For

this they would have been adequately paid, and such demand would
have sufficed to compensate them for the risk and labor involved
in the service they thus rendered.

'The trust companies, on the

other hand, would have assured themselves of the employment of
their funds at remunerative rates, free of risk, and under con­
ditions ensuring to them the possession of a liquid asset.

Were

they members of the Federal reserve system they would have sought
possession of paper which they could turn into cash upon demand,
and even when not members, they would have been in position to
obtain their accommodation indirectly through some other chan­
nel.

The existence of the discount market would have assured

to them not only the immediate opportunity for safe investment
in commercial paper, but also the certainty of power to withdraw
funds when desired and to apply them to the meeting of their own




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I do not for a moment suppose that the trust com­

panies would or should thus employ the whole of their assets*
To do so would be to place themselves in very much the same po­
sition as the commercial bank - an outcome which is hardly to
be expected., even under conditions most likely to favor it*
What I do mean is that the trust company would have found it
wise to pay a portion of its resources into a secondary reserve
of this kind;

and would thus have protected itself far better

than in the past, while at the same time continuing to earn the
income necessitated by the fact that it usually paid interest
to

its depositors upon their dormant accounts*.
No great change in banking or commerce comes about im­

mediately, and the change to which I have made reference is too
far-reaching in its significance to be produced without much ef­
fort and more or less unavoidable delay.

Since the beginning

of the European war, we have made some progress in the develop­
ment of the acceptance market in this country*

The maximum

amount of bankers1 acceptances available since the opening of
the war is probably about $300,000,000, but the amounts coming
upon the open market - that is to say not discounted and held
in portfolio by the banks which made the acceptances - are of
course very much smaller*.

These acceptances have, moreover,

been largely given by the institutions of the cities, includ­
ing the larger trust companies.




The practice of accepting and

that of purchasing acceptances of others has not thus far been
widely diffused.

Tb ;encourage the development of which I have

spoken wherein a trust company becomes the purchaser or holder
of substantial amounts of absolutely safe commercial paper it
will be necessary to bring about something of a revolution in
the commercial and banking practice of the United States.

I

need hardly say that my remarks have no reference to those ci­
ties where the trust companies are already under the law largely
in the commercial banking business, but to the much larger part
of the country where development has been far less marked*
What must be the nature of this change?

We can an­

swer that question by reviewing very briefly the status of com­
mercial paper in the United States at the present time and the
new conditions which it has been desired to ^establish in the
market for commercial paper.

The practice of the past has been

that of borrowing from banks upon the "straight single-name"
paper of individuals or corporations.

Borrowers have made more

or less ffrank statements of condition to the banks from which
they sought accommodation and the latter have determined the
amount of credit to which they were entitled.

When this has

been ascertained the credit has been extended, and the result
has been to finance given trades or industries through the
agency of the manufacturer or producer*

He has obtained the

necessary advances from his bank and has "carried" the trade




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pay their indebtedness, subject to discount for prompt returns.
The Federal reserve system recognized the demerits of some
phases of this system and sought to improve upon it by adapt­
ing the European practice to conditions in the United States.
Following the intent of the Federal Reserve Act the Federal Re­
serve Board has defined and described the trade acceptance and
the bankers' acceptance and has fixed preferential rates of dis­
count on these two classes of paper good at Federal reserve
banks.

The thought has been that merchants would seek to ob­

tain from their customers acceptances evidencing the existence
of indebtedness, and that in this way the commercial operations
of the country would be represented by definite units of de­
sirable paper.

It should hardly be necessary to say that no

substantial progress in banking method is made if the buyer of
goods merely, gives to the seller a trade acceptance which the
latter carries in his safe until maturity, or which he dis­
counts with his own bank after indorsing it.

Such a change may

be desirable from the narrow standpoint of ease of collection
or from that of the local relationship existing between the
seller and the buyer.

It does not, however, introduce any new

element in banking practice, nor does it furnish in and of it­
self any reason why the upright merchant or manufacturer should




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he could otherwise have obtained upon tie strength of his own

It is necessary that the business men

statement of condition.

and the bankers of the country should take advantage of this
new mechanism by altering their methods of■borrowing.

Such al­

teration in its essence involves a radical change in the loca­
tion of the business man's financing:

If a manufacturer, for

example* has sold goods to a retailer* he has evidently parted
with the goods and he expects

to obtain reimbursement out of

the funds arising from the sale of these goods to the customers
at or near the point to which they are shipped.

The financing

of the operation should, therefore, be transferred from his
bank to the bank at the point of shipment - that is to say where
the buyer is located.

If the local banker at that point is

willing to accept the paper drawn upon the buyer the conditions
conform to the best banking practice for two reasons - (l)

The

process of financing is now conducted at the point where the goods
are located and where the funds from which payment must be made
are in process of collection;

(2 )

The aid of the local banker

ha3 been enlisted in passing upon the credit to which the local
merchant or buyer is entitled.

Long-range credit is eliminated

and the unsatisfactory features of our past method of financing
tragle are done away with.




The commercial transaction is now fi-

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nanced on the basis of local judgment and with local funds -

Per­

haps there are some who are inclined to suggest that the effect
of such a change in method would be to limit each community to
the banking resources there existing and that as a consequence
the amount of business that could be locally done would be great­
ly restricted.

This might be the case if it were not that we

have in existence a system of rediscount one of whose main pur­
poses it is to provide a market for satisfactory paper of the
kinds to which I have referred.

The Federal reserve system aims

to afford a place at which such paper may be rediscounted and
thus stands ready to pour into any community that portion of the
funds thus jointly owned by the banks of ihe district or of the
country to which the business there originating is entitled.
There is nothing in the proposed method which cuts down the op­
portunities of a community, but on the contrary there is every­
thing to encourage those opportunities, improve them, and reduce
the cost of doing business to which the members of such a com­
munity have been subjected in the past.

Whether the paper thus

offered be trade acceptances indorsed by the local banker or a
local banker’s own acceptances is a matter of detail.

The point

is the shifting of the process of financing the business opera­
tion from the producer’s or manufacturer’s bank, where it has
heretofore been concentrated, to the bank with which the buyer




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habitually trades and which knows him and his circumstances.
Such a system is restrictive only in so far as it tends to pre­
vent over-buying and to make each community responsible for its
own judgment with regard to the credit of its members*

It is

not only the scientific way of financing trade, but it is the
plan that has proved itself in those countries which have been
most successful as traders and producers.

That there is oppo­

sition to it in some quarters is hot surprising.

Many natural­

ly dislike any innovation which looks in the direction of sound­
er and more stringest credit and which seeks to eliminate doubt­
ful elements upon which persons of weak and questionable credit
may rely for the expansion of their operations.
While it is true that the introduction of this great
change in commercial and financial practice calls primarily for
the initiative of the manufacturer, jobber, merchant and credit
man, and for the earnest cooperation of the banker, it is also
true that the undertaking will be greatly advanced if it can
likewise have the cooperation of the investment institutions of
the country.

Why should the community undertake so difficult an

innovation as this?

There are some enlightened members of all

branches of trade who not only appreciate the advantage to the
public at large that may be reaped from a far-reaching and de­
sirable reform, but the rank and file will adapt themselves to




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the change only as they are persuaded, that it is beneficial to
their business in the narrower sense of the term.
know how they will profit from it.

They want to

This, however, is fortunately

the easiest phase of the situation to make clear.

With the devel­

opment of a discount market based upon standardized credit in the
Way I have just outlined th/b rate of accommodation is reduced to

its lowest terms.

The man with small capital but first-class

credit becomes entitled to and will receive the rate prevailing
in tie market.

The banker who passes upon his credit and indorses

his paper or accepts for him, as the case may be, obtains his due
remuneration in the form of a commission, while the investment
institution which eventually takes and holds the paper up to
maturity receives the going rate of interest upon its advance.
Since the credit is unquestionable and is moreover capable of
liquidation at any moment, such an institution is safe and con­
servative if it invests a much larger proportion of its funds
than it would otherwise be warranted in doing.
better that it

It is therefore

should have, let us say, $100,000 of prime ac­

ceptances with good banking names upon them, yielding 3-g- or 4%,
than if it should have an equal amount of money technically on
deposit in banks at 2%, since we know that such deposits must
be made to earn interest and are frequently employed in collat­
eral loans which may or may not be promptly paid in the event of




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stringency.

True, the commercial bank may wish to hold its

acceptances or its indorsed paper, whether originating with
itself or with some other bank, as an investfneftt.
at the present time do so.

Many banks

This, however, is not the ideal

condition, for good banking practice tells us that the pro­
cess of discounting should, if possible, be separated from
that of accepting or indorsing.

It is just here that the

trust companies of the country can be d great service both to
themselves, to the banking community, and to the public in
general.

If a situation can be created in which the banks

of the country, small and large, will devote their activities
primarily to passing upon commercial credit and guaranteeing
the paper that comes into their hands, the trust companies
and other investment concerns can with confidence assume the
function of carrying this paper.

They will be warranted in

placing their trust funds in such a form because of the safety
they will enjoy through bank guarantees, while they will be war­
ranted equally from the general public standpoint since they
will be possessed of paper eligible for rediscount and hence
convertible into available funds upon demand.

They can in

this way harmonize their banking and trust functions and serve
as an indispensable element in the nation's commercial banking
system.




Their competition, so-called, .will be a help and not

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a limitation upon the banks of the country,and the latter will
find their power to make profits increased ’by reason of the
existence of such an auxiliary.

Where the trust companies are

practical banking institutions, that is to say in those places
where their banking functions have overshadowed their trust
functions, they will find the new plan the only means by which
they can get the advantage of the Federal reserve system and
receive from it the benefits to which, as members, they will
be entitled or which, as nonmembers, they may reap through
the existence of a flexible and effective discount market.
Changes such as this are not, as I have said^ likely
to be brought about at once*

They will not be brought about at

all except through the comprehension and appreciation of their
meaning on the part of those who are to profit from them and
to carry them into effect*

In speaking recently to gatherings

of business men I have endeavored to make clean the business
man*fe direct and urgent interest in taking up this change in
commercial practice.

He must take the initiative, and it is

to him that the community must look for the first steps in the
movement.

But his efforts will be unsuccessful unless he can

have the aid of the banks and investment institutions of the
country.




I have shown that they have an important interest

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in the matter from the narrow profit-making standpoint.

How

much larger is this interest when viewed from the standpoint of
the community as a whole I

We can never make the nation's bank

resources fluid and safe until we have established the credit
of the country upon an unimpeachable foundation, and until the
great majority of all those who are carrying on the business of
banking in whatever form have united in the cooperative system
of organization which gives to each the benefit of the combined
results of all.

Such a system is that of the Federal reserve.

Let ud now, however, make the mistake of supposing that the mere
organization of such a system is enough.

Many persons have fal­

len into the error of supposing that the establishment of the ma­
chinery of cooperation and creation of banks which could be re­
lied upon in emergency to render help with an abundant issue of
flexible note currency is all that is necessary.

Indeed there

are those who have asserted that such endeavors have made panics
a thing of the past, but little reflection is needed to show
that this is taking the shadow for the substance.

The Federal

reserve system will be useful in proportion as it succeeds in
renovating and strengthening the credit business upon which banks
rest.

If it does not do this;

if it does not perform its functions

every day, then i.t is more or less of a failure.

It must be contin­

uously and actively at work passing upon credit, transferring it
from one point to another, and rendering it acceptable to all who
are entitled to its use.




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