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FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD
WASHINGTON
ADDRESS OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE T O
T H E FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD

X-9252
July 1, 1955,

Dear Sir:
There are attached a copy of the minutes of the meeting
of the Chairmen of the Industrial Advisory Committees held in
Washington on June 24, 1935, and a copy of a summary statement
of the meeting of members of the Federal Reserve Board and its
staff with representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees
on June 25, 1935.

It will be appreciated if you will hand to the

other members of your Committee the extra copies of the minutes
and statement which are inclosed.
The only matter considered ty the Chairmen of the Industrial Advisory Committees which required action by the Federal
Reserve Board was the recommendation that a study be made of the
problem of furnishing to worthy industries such permanent capital
as in the judgement of the Board may be required, and on June 27,
1935, a letter was addressed to the Chairmen of the Industrial
Advisory Committees advising of a resolution adopted t y the Board
r
in this connection.
The Federal Reserve Board is very grateful for the continued interest of the members of the Industrial Advisory Committees in the advancement of the industrial loan program and



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renews its assurance that it will be glad to be of assistance to
the Committees in the discharge of their responsibilities.
Very truly yours,

Chester Morrill,
Secretary.
Inclosures«

THE ABOVE LETTER IS TO BE SENT TO THE FOLLOWING:
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

Albert M. Creighton
William H. Pouch
J. Ebert Butterworth
F. A. Smythe
J. G. Holtzclaw
W. A. Parker
Max Epstein
William K. Norris
Sheldon V. Wood
D. Bruce Forrester
Clarence Ousley
Ralph Burnside

(6 copies of minutes and statement to be inclosed with this letter.)




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Upon call of the Chairman, Mr. A. M. Crelghton, a supper meeting
of the Chairmen of the Industrial Advisoiy Committees was held at the
Carlton Hotel at seven o'clock - Monday, June 24, 1935, with the following present:
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

A. M, Crelghton - Boston
Wm. H. Pouch - New York
J. E. Butterworth - Philadelphia
F. A. Smythe - Cleveland
W. A. Parker - Atlanta
Wm. K. Norris - St. Louis
S. V. Wood - Minneapolis
Clarence Ousley - Dallas
Ralph Burnside - San Francisco

Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.

S.
J.
W.
B.
A.

Also present:
F.
W.
B.
P.
M.

Gilmore - St. Louis
Barton • Minneapolis
Marsh - Dallas
Adams - Public Relations
Stone - Secretary to Mr. Szymczak

The following matters were presented and discussed:
1)

The Kopplemann Bill:

The committee consisting of Messrs. Smythe, Burnside and Parker
offered the following resolution:
The so-called Kopplemann Bill providing for the creation of an
Intermediate Industrial Credit Corporation undertakes to furnish to
industry and commerce financial credit practically identical in
character to that now made available by Federal Reserve Bank loans to
industry and commerce and that which is available through the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. It therefore represents very largely
if not altogether, a duplication of credit service which in our opinion
is not necessary nor demanded under existing conditions. It is our firm
belief that every application to Federal Reserve Banks has received
the consideration which it has merited and that loans have been approved
by the Federal Reserve Banks wherever such loans could be deemed sound
and reasonable. It is believed that a material proportion of the
requirements for credit assistance that are justifiable have been cared
for by the combined action of the two existing agencies and that the
organizations already set up and in operation for the investigation and
consideration of applications for loans are efficient, economical and
entirely without prejudice. The funds available are apparently sufficient



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to complete the task which has been undertaken. The creation
of another agency at this time would seem uncalled for.
2)

Mr. Creighton's report on his trip to Europe, on the
subject of industrial loans:

The committee consisting of Messrs. Norris, Pouch and Butter
worth offered the following resolution:
Having received and discussed the report made by Chairman Creighton dated June 4, 1935, entitled "Industrial Loans
Here and Abroad", the Committee desires to thank Chairman
Creighton for his personal study of European effort to relieve
industry in their respective countries and move that the report
be approved and spread on the minutes of this meeting as a permanent record and for future reference. That proper publication be given based upon this report. (A copy of the report
is attached as a part of the official record of this meeting.)
3)

Discussion of publicity and public relations of
present, past and plans for future:

Mr. Adams described publicity to date and was instructed
to prepare a statement for the press following the meeting of
the Charimen of the Industrial Advisory Committees on Tuesday June 25, 1935.
4)

Formulation of plans for future activity on industrial
loans:

There was no discussion on this point.
Upon motion of Mr. Pouch and seconded by Mr. Norris, Mr.
J. E. Butterworth was elected Treasurer for the Committee.




Motion approved.

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Mr. J. E. Butterworth presented the following resolution which
was unanimously approved:
Resolved that this committee is very sensible of the valuable
secretarial assistance given it by Mr. A. M. Stone, and takes this
opportunity to publicly express to him its sincere appreciation.
The meeting adjourned at 12;15 a. m.

(S) J. E. Butterworth
Secretary
Approved:
(S) A. M. Creighton




Chairman




INDUSTRIAL LOANS HERE AND ABROAD

Report Made ByAlbert M. Creighton,
Chairman, Industrial Advisory Committee

June 4, 1935

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INDUSTRIAL LOANS HERE AND ABROAD
IN MAKING A RECENT INVESTIGATION OF WHAT SOME OF THE EUROPEAN
COUNTRIES HAVE DONE TO AID INDUSTRY, PARTICULARLY AS REGARDS THE MAKING
OF LOANS, EITHER SPONSORED OR GUARANTEED BY GOVERNMENTS, I HAVE VISITED
DURING THE PAST SIX WEEKS, ENGLAND, GERMANY, POLAND, AUSTRIA AND FRANCE.
IN THE FOLLOWING SUMMARY, I WILL GIVE A BRIEF OUTLINE OF WHAT HAS
BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN EACH OF THESE COUNTRIES:
ENGLAND
THE ACTIVITIES OF ENGLAND'S INDUSTRIAL FINANCING CENTER AROUND THE
FOLLOWING INSTITUTIONS:
SECURITIES MANAGEMENT TRUST (SMT).
THE BANKERS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT COMPANY (BIDCO).
CREDIT FOR INDUSTRY, LTD. (CFI).
EXPORT CREDITS GUARANTEED DEPARTMENT.
THE SECURITIES MANAGEMENT TRUST.
IS A PRIVATE LIMITED COMPANY, WITH A NOMINAL CAPITAL HELD BY THE BANK
OF ENGLAND, AND MANAGED BY THE INDUSTRIALIST OF THE BANK - MR. BRUCE
GARDNER - WHO IS ALSO THE ACTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BANKERS INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
THIS SUBSIDIARY OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND OWES ITS ORGANIZATION TO
THE DECISION OF THE BANK TO DISCONTINUE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS.

THE PRIMARY

ACTIVITY OF THE SECURITIES MANAGEMENT TRUST HAS BEEN THE MANAGEMENT OF
THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMERCIAL INVESTMENTS OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND.




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THE BANKERS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
WAS FORMED IN 1930, UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND, WITH THE
OBJECT OF PROMOTING THE

RATIONALIZATION OF BRITISH INDUSTRY,

THIS IS

A PRIVATE LIMITED COMPANY, WITH ALL THE LEADING BANKS AND FINANCIAL
HOUSES AS SHAREHOLDERS, AND THE BANK OF ENGLAND AS THE CONTROLLING PARTNER.
IN THE BEGINNING THIS ORGANIZATION WAS FORMED FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE
YEARS - IT HAS ALREADY BEEN EXTENDED FOR A FURTHER PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS.
THE CAPITAL OF THE INSTITUTION IS $.6,000,000, ONE-QUARTER OF WHICH IS
OWNED BY THE BANK OF ENGLAND, AND THREE-QUARTERS BY THE JOINT STOCK
BANKS, AND ALL OF THE PRIVATE BANKING HOUSES.
BIDCO HAS DONE MUCH WORK FOR FOUR KEY INDUSTRIES.

FOR INSTANCE -

THE SHIPBUILDING INDUSTRY WAS HELPED TO FINANCE THE SCRAPPING OF REDUNDANT
YARDS THROUGH A VOLUNTARY LEVY ON THE TONNAGE PRODUCED BY THE REMAINING
YARDS.

HELP WAS ALSO GIVEN TO THE LANCASTER COTTON INDUSTRY, WHICH ELIM-

INATED TEN MILLION SPINDLES, THUS PUTTING THIS INDUSTRY, WHICH WAS PRACTICALLY WRECKED AT THE TIME, ON A STABLE FOUNDATION.

THE STEEL AND

WOOLCOMBING INDUSTRIES HAVE ALSO BEEN MUCH BENEFITED BY LOANS GUARANTEED
BY BIDCO.
BEHIND THE SCENE HOWEVER, IT IS BELIEVED THAT THE BANKERS INDUSTRIAL
DEVELOPMENT COMPANY HAS BEEN A VERY USEFUL INFLUENCE IN ENCOURAGING AND
BRINGING ABOUT AMALGAMATIONS AND MERGERS ON THE PART

OF PRIVATE CONCERNS,

RESULTING IN A GREATER EFFICIENCY OF PRODUCTION.
THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE WORK OF BIDCO, THERE HAS BEEN AN ENDEAVOR TO




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ELIMINATE THE INEFFICIENT PRODUCERS AND THE EXCESS ORGANIZATIONS, AS A
PART OF THIS BIG RATIONALIZATION PLAN.
CREDIT FOR INDUSTRY. INC..
IN JUNE, 1934, AT THE VERY TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF SECTION 13B OF
THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT, CREDIT FOR INDUSTRY, INC., WAS ESTABLISHED.
ITS FUNCTIONS VERY NEARLY PARALLEL THE WORK OF THE INDUSTRIAL ADVISORY
COMMITTEE, AND OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS AS REGARDS THE MAKING OF
SOUND -LOANS TO INDUSTRY FOR WORKING CAPITAL PURPOSES.
IN ENGLAND, CAPITAL AS WELL AS WORKING CAPITAL LOANS MAY BE MADE
FOR A PERIOD NOT EXCEEDING TWENTY YEARS.

THERE WAS IN ENGLAND THE SAME

CRITICISM AS IN THE UNITED STATES - THAT THE SMALL BUSINESS MAN COULD
NOT SECURE LOANS FROM HIS BANKS.

IN THE BEGINNING THE CFI WAS INUNDATED

WITH APPLICATIONS FOR LOANS, BUT IN THE MAJORITY OF CASES IT WAS FOUND
THAT THE "WOULD-BE" BORROWER HAD NO SOUND OR REASONABLE BASIS FOR CREDIT.
MANY WERE NOT EVEN ACTUALLY ENGAGED IN BUSINESS.

MOST OF THEM FELT THAT

THEY COULD BUILD A BUSINESS IF SOMEONE ELSE WOULD PROVIDE THE MONEY.
THE COMMERCIAL BANKS DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY LOANS GRANTED BY
THE CFI, BUT, IN ALL CASES, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT THE BORROWER
SHOULD INFORM HIS BANK OF THE PROPOSED TRANSACTION IN ORDER THAT THE CFI
MAY BE CERTAIN THAT HIS NECESSARY AND ORDINARY BANKING FACILITIES ARE NOT
WITHDRAWN.

THE RESULT HAS BEEN THAT IN MANY CASES THE JOINT BANKS THEM-

SELVES HAVE MADE THE LOANS.
CFI IS OWNED 100% BY UNITED DOMINIONS TRUST, LTD., WHICH IN TURN IS




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-4PARTIALLY OWNED BY THE BANK OF ENGLAND.
$.250,000.

THE CAPITAL AT PRESENT IS

OF THE LOANS ACTUALLY MADE TO DATE, SOME HAVE BEEN AS LOW

AS 1,100 Aim THE HIGHEST HAS NOT EXCEEDED $.30,000, ALTHOUGH THE COMPANY
IS PREPARED TO LOAN AS HIGH AS $.50,000.
THERE HAS BEEN A LIMITED SUM SPENT IN ADVERTISING, BUT ENORMOUS
FREE PUBLICITY HAS BEEN SECURED FROM THE EDITIORIAL COLUMNS OF THE
NATIONAL PRESS.

EXPERIENCE TO DATE PROVES THAT THE LEGITIMATE DEMAND

AT THE PRESENT MOMENT FOR THE KIND OF FINANCING WHICH CFI WAS ORGANIZED
TO EXTEND IS RELATIVELY SMALL.

HOWEVER, WITH ANY REAL REVIVAL IN IN-

DUSTRY, IT IS BELIEVED THAT THE DEMAND WOULD VERY MATERIALLY INCREASE.
SO FAR, ONLY ABOUT $1,500,000 HAS BEEN LOANED TO INDUSTRY BY CFI., INC.
THERE IS UNDOUBTEDLY A PLACE IN THE BRITISH BANKING SYSTEM FOR THIS
TYPE OF ORGANIZATION, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE MUCH SLOWER THAN IT
HAS BEEN IN THE UNITED STATES.
DURING THE SAME PERIOD THAT THE CFI HAS BEEN IN OPERATION, OUR INDUSTRIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES HAVE RECOMMENDED LOANS TOTALLING ABOUT
$90,000,000 FOR WORKING CAPITAL PURPOSES.

FURTHERMORE, THE R.F.C. HAS

MADE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF LOANS TO SMALL AND MEDIUM SIZE ORGANIZATIONS,
EXPORT CREDITS GUARANTEED DEPARTMENT
THERE IS ALSO ONE OTHER ORGANIZATION KNOWN AS THE EXPORT CREDITS
GUARANTEED DEPARTMENT, WHICH PROVIDES MEDIUM-TERM CREDITS FOR PERIODS
OF TWO, FIVE, OR TEN YEARS, TO BUSINESSES CATERING TO THE EXPORT TRADE.




FORMERLY THE EXPORT CREDITS GUARANTEED BY THIS DEPARTMENT WERE NEARLY
ALL SHORT-TERM CREDITS, MOSTLY FOR THREE MONTHS AND SIX MONTHS (EXCEPTING ON RUSSIAN BUSINESS).

NOW, HOWEVER, THERE IS AN INCREASING AMOUNT

OF MEDIUM-TERM BUSINESS BEING DONE TO ASSIST THE

FINANCING OF IMPORTANT

CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES, i. e., THE BUILDING OF AN
ELECTRIC RAILWAY IN BRAZIL, AND IMPORTANT ELECTRICAL INSTALLATIONS IN
POLAND.
GERMANY
IN GERMANY, ALL CREDIT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
THE METHODS UTILIZED TO SUPPORT INDUSTRY MAY BE CLASSIFIED UNDER
THREE MAIN HEADINGS:
1 — Direct subsidies have been issued. Especially was this
done in the case of the construction industries, and considerable money has been released for the repair of old
and the construction of new buildings.
2 — Indirect subsidies were also made use of to a great extent
in the form of lower freight rates, tax rebates on various
new investments such as the replacement of obsolete equipment, and reduction or even elimination of taxation on certain industrial products. The automobile and machinery
industries may be noted as examples of those particularly
benefiting from this type of subsidy.
3 — Finally, loans were granted outright or Government
guarantees of private loans were offered. Industries
assisted in this way seem to be primarily those engaged
in the manufacture of armaments,
IN THE ABSENCE OF OFFICIAL STATISTICS, IT IS DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN
ANY AUTHORITATIVE FIGURE AS TO THE AMOUNT EXPENDED THUS FAR FOR THESE




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PURPOSES.

HOWEVER, IT IS ESTIMATED THAT AT THE END OF 1934 5,518

MILLION REICHMARKS HAD BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR THE GOVERNMENT'S CREATION
OF WORK PROGRAM - A FIGURE CONSIDERED EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE IN MANY
WELL INFORMED QUARTERS.

OF THIS AMOUNT, A GREAT PROPORTION HAS CER-

TAINLY BEEN USED FOR SUBSIDIZING INDUSTRY IN THE WAYS INDICATED -ABOVE.
THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE EXTENSION OF EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AND
COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES, AND THE FORMATION OF NEW ENTERPRISES.

IT WILL

NOT PERMIT STARTING A NEW COMPANY IN A FIELD IN WHICH THERE IS OVERPRODUCTION.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS FORCING PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN

THE PRODUCTION OF ARTIFICIAL RAW MATERIALS.

THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING

TO FOSTER THE AUTOMOBILE EXPORT BUSINESS BY HAVING EVERY AUTOMOBILE
MANUFACTURER SUBSCRIBE TO A FUND TO FINANCE AUTOMOBILE EXPORTS, AND IS
TAKING SIMILAR ACTION TO ENCOURAGE OTHER EXPORTS.
MEDIUM TERM CREDIT IN GERMANY•BEFORE THE WAR WAS LARGELY IN THE
HANDS OF BANKS RECEIVING SAVINGS DEPOSITS.

BUT AFTER THE WAR, AND THE

CRASH OF THE GERMAN BANKING SYSTEM, SHORT AND MEDIUM-TERM CREDITS WERE
PRETTY WELL FROZEN.

BUT SEVERAL LARGE GERMAN BANKS DID MANAGE TO FUR-

NISH MEDIUM TERM CREDITS EITHER THROUGH FOREIGN CREDITS OR BY SELLING
BONDS, OR THROUGH THE LOANING OUT OF PUBLIC FUNDS.

PERHAPS THE NEAREST

THING TO THE INDUSTRIAL LOAN FUNCTION OF THE R.F.C. AND THE RESERVE
BANKS IS THAT OF THE INDUSTRIESAltfK. IT WAS STARTED IN 1924, TO COOPERATE IN RAISING REPARATION PAYMENTS.

AS PART OF ITS PRESENT WORK,

IT GRANTS CREDITS TO WORTHY SMALL-SIZED UNITS IN INDUSTRY AND COMMERCE.




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-7THE MATURITY IS USUALLY FIVE YEARS, AND LOANS HAVE BEEN AS SMALL AS 500
REICHMARKS AND AS LARGE AS 500,000 REICHMARKS. CREDITS ARE USED TO PAY
OFF FROZEN SHORT-TERM LIABILITIES OR FOR WORKING CAPITAL.
ADEQUATE SECURITY.

THERE MUST BE

LOANS GRANTED SO FAR BY THE INDUSTRIEBANK HAVE

AMOUNTED TO MORE THAN 100 MILLION REICHMARKS.
FRANCE
IN FRANCE THERE HAS BEEN NO LEGISLATION ON THIS SUBJECT, ALTHOUGH
CERTAIN SPECIAL LOANS HAVE BEEN MADE TO KEEP A FEW IMPORTANT CONCERNS
(NOTABLY CITROEN AUTOMOBILE COMPANY) FROM LIQUIDATION.
POLAND - AUSTRIA
NOTHING WORTHY OF MENTION HAS BEEN DONE IN EITHER OF THESE
COUNTRIES TO ASSIST THE SMALL INDUSTRIALIST.
CONCLUSIONS
IN GENERAL, I FOUND THAT ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, AND PARTICULARLY
IN ENGLAND, THERE HAD BEEN NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS SINCE THE DEPRESSION BY
BUSINESS MEN AND INDUSTRIALISTS (MORE PARTICULARLY FROM THE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS) THAT IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO SECURE LOANS FROM THE
BANKS.

IN MANY INSTANCES, THESE COMPLAINTS WERE SO NUMEROUS AND SO

FORCIBLY PRESENTED THAT THERE WAS MUCH.PRESSURE EXERTED UPON THE VARIOUS
ADMINISTRATIONS.
HOWEVER, IT HAS BEEN FOUND, AS IN THE UNITED STATES THAT THE CLAIMS




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WERE MUCH EXAGGERATED, AND THAT, BARRING A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF EXCEPTIONS,
THE WORTHY BUSINESS MAN COULD BORROW FROM HIS BANKS, BUT NOT FOR CAPITAL
REQUIREMENTS.
AFTER THE VARIOUS EMERGENCY LOANING ORGANIZATIONS HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED, A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE APPLICANTS, ESPECIALLY IN ENGLAND,
WERE REPRESENTED BY THOSE WHO WERE FOUND UPON CAREFUL INVESTIGATION TO
BE UNWORTHY OF CREDIT AND BY THOSE WHO WANTED TO START NEW BUSINESSES,
ETC.
PERHAPS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN POINT OF VIEW IS THAT
THE EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTAL POLICY IS DEFINITELY DIRECTED TOWARD DISCOURAGING AID TO INEFFICIENT AND SUB-MARGINAL CONCERNS, AND IT IS EVEN DESIRED,
PARTICULARLY IN GERMANY AND ENGLAND, TO ELIMINATE THEM COMPLETELY, IN
THE INTEREST OF INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE.
THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS UNDER SECTION
13B HAVE DONE FAR MORE FOR THE SMALL INDUSTRIALIST THAN HAS BEEN DONE
ANYWHERE IN EUROPE.

UNDER OUR SECTION 13b THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS ARE

GIVING QUICK, EFFICIENT, SYMPATHETIC SERVICE, AND ARE AIDING INDUSTRY
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WISHES OF THOSE WHO SPONSORED THE PASSAGE OF THIS
ACT.
THE SETUP, IN THE RESERVE BANKS AND IN THE R.F.C., COMPLETELY
COVERS THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF AMERICAN BUSINESSES AND CAN PROVIDE
FOR ANY SOUND AND REASONABLE DEMAND, UNLESS IT IS DESIRED TO GO INTO
THE BUSINESS OF KEEPING ALIVE SUB-MARGINAL OR INEFFICIENT ORGANIZATIONS,




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-9WHICH, X FEEL, WOULD NOT BE DESIRABLE.

THE FORMATION OF INTERMEDIATE

CREDIT BANKS OR OTHER AGENCIES, WILL GREATLY COMPLICATE THE SITUATION
AND DUPLICATE THE PRESENT ORGANIZATION.
FURTHERMORE, THERE IS A LARGER FUND AVAILABLE FOR THESE WORKING
CAPITAL LOANS THAN IN ANY OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES, AND THE AMOUNT THAT
MAY BE LOANED IN ANY CASE IS PRACTICALLY UNLIMITED IN THE UNITED STATES.
RECOMMENDATIONS
1.

THEREFORE, MY CONCLUSION IS THAT THE R.F.C. AND FEDERAL RESERVE
UNDER SECTION 13b SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO FUNCTION AS AT PRESENT,
WITH NO THOUGHT OF SUPPLEMENTING THIS WORK WITH ADDITIONAL PLANS
FOR THE MAKING OF SOUND LOANS TO INDUSTRY.

2.

I DO BELIEVE, HOWEVER, THAT THERE SHOULD BE MORE PUBLICITY
EMANATING FROM WASHINGTON.

THERE HAS BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT WITHIN

THE DISTRICTS, BUT THE NATIONAL PUBLICITY, SUPPLEMENTING THIS
WORK WILL BE PARTICULARLY HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE.

EVERY PROSPEC-

TIVE BORROWER IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE EXISTING
FACILITIES IN CONNECTION WITH INDUSTRIAL LOANS, AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM.

THIS CALLS FOR A DEFINITE

CAMPAIGN OF PUBLICITY FROM WASHINGTON, AS WELL AS FROM THE
RESPECTIVE RESERVE BANKS.

BUSINESS MEN, AS WELL AS BANKERS

THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, SHOULD BE MADE 13b CONSCIOUS.




APPENDIX
SUPPLEMENTING THIS REPORT, I HAVE DESCRIPTIVE LETTERS FROM THE FOLLOWING:
PROFESSOR CLAY, ECONOMIST OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND,
REGARDING INDUSTRIAL LOANS.
ALSO LETTERS FROM:
MR. JAMES SOMERVILLE, COMMERCIAL ATTACHE OF THE AMERICAN
EMBASSY IN LONDON, and
FREDERIC D. GRAB, COMMERCIAL ATTACHE OF THE EMBASSY
IN LONDON..
LETTER FROM - J. GIBSON JARVIE - TOGETHER WITH DETAIL EXPLANATIONS OF HIS
ORGANIZATION "MONEY FOR INDUSTRY, INC". (BOOKLETS ISSUED FOR DISTRIBUTION
ATTACHED).
REPORT FROM DR. BLESSING OF THE REICHSBANK.
CONFIDENTIAL REPORT - LETTER FROM MR. DOUGLAS JENKINS, AMERICAN CONSUL
GENERAL IN BERLIN.
AMONG MANY OTHERS, I TALKED WITH THE FOLLOWING OFFICIALS:




England
GOVERNOR NORMAN OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND.
MR. BRUCE.GARDNER, INDUSTRIALIST OF THE
BANK OF ENGLAND.
PROFESSOR CLAY, ECONOMIST.
MR. NIGEL CAMPBELL, CHAIRMAN OF THE BANKERS
INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CORP.
MR. J. GIBSON JARVIE, THE HEAD OF CREDITS FOR
INDUSTRY, INC.
MR. JAMES SOMERVILLE, AMERICAN COMMERCIAL ATTACHE,
LONDON.
MR. FREDERIC GRAB, AMERICAN COMMERCIAL ATTACHE,
LONDON.




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Germany
MR. DOUGLAS JENKINS, AMERICAN CONSUL GENERAL.
DR. BLESSING OF THE REICHSBANK.
Poland
MR. CROSBY, COUNCILLOR OF THE U.S.-EMBASSY IN WARSAW.
Austria
DR. KIENBACK, PRESIDENT OF THE OESTBRREICHISCHE BANK,
NATIONAL BANK OF AUSTRIA.

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At the meeting held in Washington on June 25, 1955, at 10 a. m.
of members of the Federal Reserve Board and members of its staff with
representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees, the following
individuals were present:




Mr. M. S. Szymczak, Member, Federal Reserve Board
Mr. A. C. Miller, Member, Federal Reserve Board
Mr. George R. James, Member, Federal Reserve Board
Messrs. Albert M. Creighton, William H. Pouch,
J. Ebert Butterworth, F. A. Smythe, William K.
Norris, Sheldon V. Wood and Clarence Ousley,
Chairmen of the Industrial Advisory Committees
of the First, Second, Third, Fourth, Eighth,
Ninth and Eleventh Federal Reserve Districts,
respectively.
Messrs. Wm. A. Parker, Will B. Marsh and Ralph
Burnside, Members of the Industrial Advisory
Committees of the Sixth, Eleventh and Twelfth
Federal Reserve Districts, respectively.
Messrs. A. L. Wilson and J. W. Barton, Secretary
of the Industrial Advisory Committee of the
Seventh Federal Reserve District, and manager
of the Industrial Loan Department of the Federal
Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, respectively.
Mr. Chester Morrill, Secretary, Federal Reserve Board
Mr. L. P. Bethea, Assistant Secretary, Federal Reserve
Board
Mr. S. R. Carpenter, Assistant Secretary, Federal
Reserve Board
Mr. Lawrence Clayton, Assistant to the Governor,
Federal Reserve Board
Mr. Elliott Thurston, Special Assistant to the
Governor, Federal Reserve Board
Mr. Walter Wyatt, General Counsel, Federal Reserve Board
Mr. E. L. Smead, Chief, Division of Bank Operations,
Federal Reserve Board
Mr. Bray Hammond, Division of Bank Operations, Federal
Reserve Board
Mr. H. F. Conniff, Deputy Governor, Federal Reserve
Bank of Atlanta
Mr. S. F. Gilmore, Controller, Federal Reserve Bank
of St. Louis
Mr. B. P. Adams, Federal Reserve Board

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Mr. Creighton stated that at a supper meeting on the evening of
June 24, 1935, the following matters were discussed in detail:
The Kopplemann Bill
Report of the Advisory Council of the Department
of Commerce
Mr. Creighton's report on his trip to Europe
Publicity and public relations of the past and
present and plans for future
Preparation of a statement for the press
Other matters of importance to the Chairmen
He called attention to the fact that the Industrial Advisory
Committees had been in existence approximately one year and referred
briefly to the industrial loan applications approved and under consideration by the Committees.
The minutes of the meeting of the Chairmen of the Industrial
Advisory Committees held in Washington on December 18, 1934, were read
by Mr. J. Ebert Butterworth, Secretary of the meeting, and approved by
the representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees present.
Mr. Butterworth stated that advice had been received that the
Industrial Advisory Committees of the Fifth and Tenth Federal Reserve
Districts would not be represented at this meeting and that Mr. A. L.
Wilson would represent the Industrial Advisory Committee for the Seventh
Federal Reserve District.
Mr. Szymczak then addressed the meeting on the subject of industrial loans and a copy of his statement is attached as exhibit A.




Mr. Pouch moved that a vote of thanks and
appreciation be extended to Mr. Szymczak for his
statement.
Mr. Pouch's motion was approved unanimously

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-3by the representatives of the Industrial
Advisory Committees.
At the conclusion of Mr. Szymczak's statement, Mr. Miller left
the room.
Mr. James stated that he desired to express to the representatives
of the Industrial Advisory Committees his appreciation of their efficient
and faithful service in connection with the industrial loan program.

He

said that he felt that the spirit of cooperation which they were evidencing
would be a contribution to the movement of recovery of the country from the
depression.
Mr. Creighton read and elaborated briefly upon the report prepared
by him following his return from a trip to Europe where he made an investigation of what some of the European countries have done through banking
channels to aid industry, particularly as regards the making of loans.

A

copy of Mr. Creighton's report has been made a part of the minutes of the
meeting of the Chairmen of the Industrial Advisory Committees on June 24,
1985.
Mr. Norris read the following resolution which was offered at the
supper meeting of the Chairmen of the Industrial Advisory Committees yesterday evening:
"Having received and discussed the report made by Chairman
Creighton dated June 4, 1935 entitled 'Industrial Loans Here
and Abroad', the Committee desires to thank Chairman Creighton
for his personal study of European effort to relieve industry
in their respective countries and move that the report be approved and spread on the minutes of this meeting as a permanent
record and for future reference. That proper publication be
given based upon this report."




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-4Upon motion by Mr. Ousley, the resolution was
unanimously adopted by the representatives of the
Industrial Advisory Committees.
Mr. Szymczak stated that the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal
Reserve System appreciated very much the fact that Mr. Creighton at his
own expense had made this trip to Europe and had studied the industrial
loan situation in European countries.
Mr. Creighton stated that at the supper meeting of the representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees yesterday evening a detailed
discussion wais had of the so-called Kopplemann Bill (H.R, 5918), and that
a committee consisting of Messrs. Smythe, Burnside and Parker was appointed to draft a resolution which would express the attitude of the meeting
toward the bill.
Mr. Smythe read the following resolution which had been offered by
his committee at the supper meeting yesterday evening:
"The so-called Kopplemann Bill providing for the creation of an
Intermediate Industrial Credit Corporation undertakes to furnish
to industry and commerce financial credit practically identical
in character to that now made available by Federal Reserve Bank
loans to industry and commerce and that which is available
through the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. It therefore
represents very largely, if not altogether, a duplication of
credit service which in our opinion is not necessary nor demanded
under existing conditions. It is our firm belief that every
application to Federal Reserve Banks has received the consideration which it has merited and that loans have been approved by
the Federal Reserve Banks wherever such loans could be deemed
sound and reasonable. It is believed that a material proportion
of the requirements for credit assistance that are justifiable
have been cared for by the combined action of the two existing
agencies and that the organizations already set up and in operation for the investigation and consideration of applications for
loans are efficient, economical and entirely without prejudice.
The funds available are apparently sufficient to complete the task




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-5"which has been undertaken. The creation of another agency
at this time would seem uncalled for."
Mr. Smythe also made a statement outlining the considerations upon which
the conclusion set forth in the resolution was based.
Mr. Szymczak inquired whether the representatives of the Industrial
Advisory Committees have observed any indication as to whether applicants
have any preference for the Federal reserve banks or the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation in filing their applications.
Mr. Smythe expressed the opinion that the applicants prefer to
apply at the Federal reserve banks because of the possibility of obtaining
quicker action on their applications, but that inasmuch as the Federal
reserve banks are authorized to make loans only for working capital, the
Federal reserve banks were without authority to consider applications for
certain loans which could be made by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation
This matter was discussed briefly and it was indicated as the consensus of
the representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees present that
there is not a clear distinction in the public mind between the Federal
reserve banks and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, and that applications are most apt to be filed with the agency first coming to the attention of the applicant.
Mr. Smythe moved adoption of the resolution
read by him with regard to the Kopplemann Bill.
Mr. Smythe's motion was unanimously approved
by the representatives of the Industrial Advisory
Committees.
Mr. Burnside called attention to the reference in Mr. Szymczak1s




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statement to the desirability of having the industrial loan activities of
the Federal reserve banks take the form of commitments to financing institutions wherever possible rather than the form of direct loans to
industry and he related an incident in his district where a bank which
had refused to participate in industrial loans had, for the first time,
investigated the industrial loan program in connection with an application
for a loan from one of its directors, and had reached the conclusion that
the industrial loan program offered it an opportunity to be of assistance
to its customers.

He said that be felt there were other banks which would

find in the industrial loan program a means by which they would be able to
come to the aid of their customers.
Mr. Szymczak stated that an industrial loan by a financing institution with a commitment from a Federal reserve bank was desirable because
it protected the bank and permitted it to make a profit on the loan, and,
what was more important, established or preserved the relationship between
the bank and the customer, the natural result of which would be, when more
nearly normal conditions were attained, for the bank to make loans to the
customer without going to the Federal reserve bank for a commitment.
Following an inquiry by Mr. Norris with regard to cooperation between the Federal reserve banks and the agencies of the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation, the representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees indicated that there is close cooperation between the banks and
the agencies in all districts.

Mr. Norris pointed out that the Reconstruc

tion Finance Corporation is authorized by law to make certain industrial




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-7loans which the Federal reserve banks cannot make and stated that it had
been the practice in his district xdien an application for such a loan was
received by the committee to refer the applicant to the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation.

He also stated that it had come to his attention that

certain applicants were aware that industrial loans could be made both by
the Federal reserve banks and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and
were filing applications in both places, and that he felt close cooperation
should be maintained between the banks and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation agencies to prevent any possibility of unnecessary duplication of
effort in the investigation of applications.
Mr. Szymczak inquired as to the reaction of applicants when they
learn that their applications are considered first by the Industrial Advisory Committees, and the representatives of the Industrial Advisory
Committees present expressed the opinion that the reaction is a favorable
one because of the fact that the committees are composed of active
industrialists.
Mr. Szymczak stated that he had attended a meeting of the board of
directors of a Federal reserve bank and had inquired of one of the Class A
directors whether his bank would be willing to make industrial loans and
that the banker had raised the question whether, in the event his bank
should make such a loan with a commitment from the Federal reserve bank
and should find it necessary to rediscount the loan, such action would be
a reflection on the member bank.

Mr. Szymczak said that it should be made

clear to all financing institutions that the rediscounting of industrial




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loans with the Federal reservp banks would not be considered in any sense
as a reflection upon the institution.
Mr. Creighton read comparative figures of loans made by the Federal
Reserve Bank of Boston and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation in the
First Federal Reserve District and stated that he felt there was some
criticism of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation because of delay in
handling applications.

In this connection, Mr. Morris expressed the opin-

ion that if something could be done to expedite consideration of applications by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation which is authorized under
the law to make capital loans to industry, all of the objectives sought by
the Kopplemann Bill could be achieved under existing legislation.
Mr. Pouch made the suggestion that very desirable results would be
obtained if officers of local banks were invited to attend meetings of the
Industrial Advisory Committees at which industrial loan applications were
considered. He stated that in his district the committee had invited
officers of banks to meet with the members of the Industrial Advisory
Committee at luncheon and attend the meetings of the committee in order
that they may observe at first hand how the committee functions, how information regarding applications is obtained, and the extent to which the
committee investigates loans, and that the results obtained from this
approach had been very satisfactory.
Mr. Wood inquired whether it is the practice of some Federal reserve banks to make commitments for the entire life of the loan and it was
pointed out that a majority of commitments are for periods of six months to
a year.

Mr. Wood stated that there is considerable difference between the




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-9amount of commitments made by the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis and
other Federal reserve banks and that he was wondering whether this difference was due in part to the fact that some of the other Federal reserve
banks might be making commitments for the entire term of the lean.

He also

raised the question as to the desirability of having all commitments run
for the entire term.

This matter was discussed briefly but no conclusions

were reached.
Mr. Creighton stated that Mr. Pouch, Chairman of the Committee on
Public Relations, would lead a discussion on the subject of publicity, public -relations and plans for the future.

Mr. Pouch said that Mr. B. P. Adams

has been making a study of publicity for the industrial loan program and
that he would make a statement to the meeting.
Mr. M a m s expressed the opinion that there was a demand on the
part of the public for more information on the industrial loan program
and that, in addition, steps must be taken to correct any misinformation
given to the public with regard to industrial loans.

He outlined in con-

siderable detail the steps which he was taking to make available to trade
papers and magazines and other periodicals information with regard to the
industrial loan program and for the publication in such periodicals of
articles relating to industrial loans.

He also outlined his ideas with

regard to the use of radio addresses and stated that, on the basis of the
inquiries received following Mr. Szymczak's address before the Illinois
Bankers Association, he felt there is a large number of people who have
not been reached by the industrial lo&n publicity and that until an effort
was made to reach each group of business men and industrialists, the System



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could not be certain that the publicity activities with regard to industrial loans had effectively been completed. He also stressed the desirability of making it known that the Federal reserve banks are willing to
discuss the financial problems of applicants even though no loans are made.
He concluded with the statement that he desired to get all the suggestions
and help he could from the members of the Industrial Advisory Committees
with regard to the problem of publicity.
Mr. Smythe inquired whether the Industrial Advisory Committees
would be advised of the appearance of articles in trade and other magazines and suggested that such advice would be helpful as it would enable
the committees to call such articles to the attention of interested parties
in the various Federal reserve districts. Mr. Szymczak stated that arrangements would be made to advise the Industrial Advisory Committees and
the Federal reserve banks of the appearance of important articles.
Mr. Creighton advised that the Committee on Public Relations
would issue a statement to the press along the lines outlined at the
supper meeting yesterday evening.

(A copy of the press statement issued

is attached as exhibit B.)
Mr. Szymczak stated that the publicity program outlined by Mr.
Adams was not conceived with the idea of soliciting anyone to borrow
under the industrial loan program but to make certain that effective information with regard to industrial loans is made available to everyone
who might be interested in order that they may make applications for loans
should they desire to do so.




Mr. Szymczak then read a letter received by

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-lithe Federal Reserve Bank of New York from counsel for an industrial borrower expressing appreciation of the treatment accorded the borrower by
the Federal reserve bank.

Mr. Szymczak stated that the Federal reserve

banks have received a number of such letters which indicate that the purposes of section 15b of the Federal Reserve Act are being attained at least
in part.
Mr. Creighton requested Mr. Szymczak to discuss the report made to
the Secretary of Commerce by the Buiness Advisory Council for the Department of Commerce on the subject of credit and capital requirements of
small industry and to what extent the rediscounting authority of the
Federal reserve banks would be enlarged by the passage of the proposed
Banking Act of 1935.

Mr. Szymczak stated that the Board was familiar with

the body of the report of the Business Advisory Council before it was
issued but was surprised by the last paragraph of the summary of the report
which recommends an immediate study by the Reconstruction Finance Corpora^
tion, the Federal Reserve Board, and the Securities Exchange Commission, in
cooperation with the investment bankers of the country, to the end that
facilities be offered sound, small industries for the acquisition of needed
capital.

He said that the recommendation had been discussed with representa-

tives of the Council and that it appeared that the Council had no specific
data on which to base its recommendation or specific suggestions as to the
nature of the study which should be undertaken.
the Council is attached as exhibit C.)




(A copy of the report of

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Mr. Szymc zak also stated that the Banking Act of 1935 would permit
any Federal reserve bank, subject to such regulations as to maturities and
other matters as the Federal Reserve Board may prescribe, to rediscount
for member banks any commercial, agricultural or industrial paper and to
make advances to any member bank on its promissory notes secured by any
sound assets of such member bank, and under this authority the Federal
reserve banks would be able to rediscount longer term paper than is now
possible.
Mr. Creighton stated that at the supper meeting yesterday evening the representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees had considered informally a resolution prepared by a committee consisting of
Messrs. Wood, Norris and Ousley with regard to the report of the Business
Advisory Council and that Mr. Wood would make a statement regarding the
matter.
Mr. Wood said that the discussion of the report had led to the
consideration of the difference between working capital and investment
capital and that the question had been raised as to whether there was any
possibility of doing something under new legislation which the Federal reserve banks and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation are not authorized
to do under present law.
Mr. Szymczak stated that he did not see what could be accomplished by the study recommended in the report of the Business Advisory
Council and that if the representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees had anything to suggest as to what could be accomplished, he felt
their suggestions should be specific in character.



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-13Mr. Ousley called attention to the paragraph in the summary
of the report of the Business Advisory Council reading as follows:
"As a matter of fact, long-term financing for small
industry has always been difficult. It is not simply a depression problem. Through private investment bankers, it
has been available only to concerns of sufficient size and
standing to warrant the investment bankers in bringing out an
issue as small as, for instance, $1,000,000. So it may be
said that this facility has been practically denied to smaller
concerns. Such enterprises have been obliged to develop their
capital structures gradually out of undistributed earnings or
to attract the participation of individual capitalists. They
have not received the benefits of recourse to the capital
markets for their long-term requirements.11
He referred to the difficulty experienced t y small concerns in obtaining
r
capital as a pre-depression problem, and suggested that the report consider o the Reconstruction Finance Corporation as a temporary emergency
agency and that the recommendation of the Council was made with the idea
of developing some permanent means by which the capital needs of small
industries may be met.
Mr. Norris suggested that the Council may have had in mind
that the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 acts as a deterrent to the acquisition of necessary capital funds by small industries and that it
might be of assistance to work out a solution to that problem.
During the discussion of the matter Mr. Wood read the following resolution offered by his committee at the supper meeting yesterday
evening:
"We recommend that the Federal Reserve Board in cooperation
with such other credit and investment agencies as they may
select make an early study of the problem of furnishing to
worthy and needed industries such permanent capital as may
in their judgment be required."
Mr. Clayton stated that it would appear that the resolution as
offered carries the implication that the existing agencies can supply



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-14the capital requirements of industry without additional legislation and
he suggested that if the resolution were adopted by the representatives
of the Industrial Advisory Committees it might be well to incorporate a
suggestion that the study recommended include a suggestion that the need
for additional legislation should be studied.
Mr. Wood stated that it was not the intention of the committee
that its resolution should carry the implication referred to by Mr.
Clayton.
Mr. James suggested that the need of the small industry is primarily the creation of some authority which would pass upon the financial status of the small industrial enterprise and place a value thereon which would be made available to investors, who would then be able
to determine whether or not they desired to invest in the enterprise.
He stated that in his opinion an arrangement of this character would
do much to enable the worthy small industries to obtain additional capital when needed.
At the conclusion of the discussion, Mr. Wood
submitted the following resolution for consideration
of the representatives of the Industrial Advisory
Committees:
"We recommend that the Federal Reserve Board make an early
study of the problem of furnishing to worthy industries
such permanent capital as may in their judgment be required."
Mr. Norris moved that the resolution be amended
to read as follows:
"Recognizing that there is nothing in the present act
governing the industrial loans of the Federal reserve
banks which would permit us to take care of capital loans,
we recommend that the Federal Reserve Board make an early
study of the problem of furnishing to worthy industries
such permanent capital as may in their judgment be required ."



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Mr. Morris* motion was approved and the resolution in its amended form was adopted unanimously by
the representatives of the Industrial Advisory Committees.
At this point Governor Eccles joined the meeting and stated
that he regretted that, because of other engagements, he had been unable to attend the meeting.

He expressed appreciation of the effi-

cient and effective manner in which the Industrial Advisory Committees
were assisting in making the industrial loan program successful.

He

said that while there were some who questioned the advisability of the
Federal reserve banks making direct loans to industry, the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal reserve banks had taken the position that
as Congress had passed the legislation authorizing the banks to make
such loans it was the duty of everyone concerned to do everything possible to carry out the provisions of the law, and that the Board felt
that through the cooperation of the Industrial Advisory Committees a
record has been made which was a full justification of the activities
of the Federal Reserve System.

The Governor then referred briefly to

the status of the proposed Banking Bill of 1935 and expressed the
opinion that if it is passed it will contribute toward the expansion
of private credit with a corresponding contraction of Government lending.
Mr. Szymczak suggested that the Governor express his opinion
as to whether the enlarged authority of the Federal reserve banks to
rediscount paper for their member banks would aid in making working
capital available to industry.

Governor Eccles said that the banks

have an abundance of funds at the present time and there is no occasion for them to borrow from the Federal reserve banks, but that he
felt that the enlarged rediscounting powers which would be given to



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the Federal reserve banks by the Banking Bill of 1935 would assist in
the removal of the "liquidity complex" of bankers and focus their attention upon the fundamental soundness of assets rather than primarily
on maturities, because in times of depression the only assets, whether
in the nature of loans or investments, that are really liquid are assets which can be rediscounted at the central bank.

He also stated

that in his opinion it is desirable that the law be changed as contemplated by the Banking Bill of 1935 to permit banks to invest time
and savings funds in long term amortized real estate mortgages, and
he outlined briefly his views as to the effect of the passage of the
Banking Bill of 1935 on short and long term money rates.
Mr. Ousley moved adoption of the following resolution:
"We record our appreciation of the courtesies, facilities
and services afforded us by Governor Eccles, the members
and employees of the Federal Reserve Board for our
accommodation and comfort."
The resolution was approved by all of the
representatives of the Industrial Advisory
Committees present.
During the meeting there were distributed copies of a statement
of industrial advances and commitments under Section 13B of the Federal
Reserve Act made by Federal reserve banks to June 19, 1935.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Secretary.
Approved:
Chairman, Executive Committee






DISCUSSION OF INDUSTRIAL LOANS
by
M. S. SZYMCZAK
at a meeting of
CHAIRMEN OF THE INDUSTRIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES
Washington, D. C.
Julie 25, 1935

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-1 Gentlemen}
A year ago last Wednesday the Act was approved which authorizes the
Federal Reserve bar 1-3 to make industrial loans; and a year ago today there
was a conference of chairmen and governors of the Federal Reserve banks
here in Washington at which means of implementing the Act were discussed.
A draft of Regulation "$' had been prepared which, after discussion at the
conference, vras adopted by the Board and released. At the same tine it
was announced that Industrial Advisory C o m 5 ttees were being selected and
that the Reserve banks were ready to consider applications for loans.
Shortly after that meeting I made a visit to three Federal Reserve
Districts to discuss with the directors and officers of the banks and
bankers of those districts the subject of industrial 3cans,

I returned

about the middle of July, reported the result of ny efforts to the Board
and proceeded again on the first of August to cover the rest of the districts. By the middle of September I had covered all but three of the
districts.

These were visited in December, January and February,

On

these trips I discusfed industrial loans under Section ljb not only with
the directors and officers of the Federal Reserve banks, but with bankers,
industrialists and businessmen.

To date, I have visited every Federal

Reserve bank and about $0 per cent of the branches at least once in connection with the industrial loans program, and I have visited some of the
districts several tines. On May 20, at the meeting of the Illinois Bankers
Association at Decatur, I gave an address on the subject.
The Federal Advisory Council at its meeting in Washington on September 17-18, 1934, discussed the subject of industrial loans in detail;




and at several of its meetings since that date the Advisory Council has,
upon the request of the Board, discussed the cooperation of member banks
with the Federal Reserve banks in this matter.
On September 27 a conference of the Chairmen of the Industrial
Advisory Committees was held in Washington for consideration of the provisions of Section 13b. By this time the administration of the section
had been under way for some weeks and it was possible to consider the
program in the light of actual experience. Among other things, as you
remember, consideration was given at this conference to the report that
many member banks were reluctant to make industrial loans because they
were uncertain of the attitude that might be taken by bank examiners
toward such loans when found in the bank's portfolio.

It was recommended

that a definite announcement be made as to the policy to be followed by
examiners,
In compliance with this suggestion the Federal Reserve Board on
October 6 issued instructions as to the manner in which industrial loans
should be included in condition reports arid examination reports. About
the same time the Comptroller of the Currency issued corresponding instructions.

The purpose of these statements by the Board and by the Comptroller

was to clear up such doubt as might exist as to the classification of such
loans and the net effect was to assure member banks that industrial loans
with long maturities which were covered by commitments from the Federal
Reserve banks or the Reconstruction Finance Corporation would not be classified as "slow".
On December 11 and 12 a Conference of representatives of the Federal
Reserve banks, the Industrial Advisory Committees and the Federal Reserve
Board was held at Cleveland to consider the procedure being followed by



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- 3 the "banks and the committees in passing on applications, for ituvaa reaii*6A :
that much of the success of the program depended upon a smooth and expeditious handling of applications.
On December 19 another conference of the Chairmen of the Industrial
Advisory Committees was held in Washington to review the work done by the
Industrial Advisory Committees and to consider means of furthering the
program.
In addition to all these conferences and to continuous study of the
situation the Federal Reserve banks, as you know, have actively canvassed
their districts in order to inform financing institutions and prospective
borrowers of tho new provisions of the law.

Constant effort has been made

through pamphlets, letters, addresses, personal calls and even by radio to
make the new functions of the Federal Reserve banks widely Izrovn,
Very shortly after tho Board's issuance of Regulation " 5 a year
ago tomorrow, and of its announcement that the Reserve banks were ready to
consider applications for loans under the terms of Section 13b, applications
began to be submitted.
On August 1 the first loan was approved, and a month later 2,662
applications amounting to $89,000,000 had been received. Up to that time
2U7 applications amounting to $14,000,000 had been reeorxxmded for approval
by the Industrial Advisory Committees, and l6U applications amounting to
$7,000,000 had been approved by the Federal Reserve banks.
To June 19 (last Wednesday) applications had been received to the
number of 6,571 in the amount of $260,000,000,

Of these 1,798 amounting

to olOl, 000,000 had been approved by the Industrial Advisory



Committees and

1,636

applications amounting to $ 88,600,000

had been approved by the Federal Reserve banlra.
The activity -up to June 19, the latest reporting date, is indicated in
the v/all chart which shows cumulatively the applications approved by the
Federal Reserve banks, the amount of advances and commitments made, and the
amount under consideration.
The chart shows that the totals have continued to nount.

The increase

in approved loans, however has not been uniform at all Federal Reserve banks.
During a recent period of five weeks one Industrial Advisory Committee &td
not approve an application, and another Committee approved only one*

In the

same period one Federal Reserve bank did not approve a singlo application,
and two Reserve banks approved only one each.
In the week ending June 5 nine Advisory Committees and eight Reserve
banks approved no applications; the other four Reserve banks approved only
l4.

These l4 applications amounted-to $520,000,

Eleven banks received

payments on loans and at nine banks these repayments for the week exceeded
new loans made.

The other three banks advanced enough in excess of repay-

ments to make the loans outstanding for the twelve banks increase that
week by only $45*000,
During the same week commitments increased $263,000, but this increase
was accounted for by five banks; at the other seven banks commitments
either decreased or stood still.
In other respects the recent figures have shorn considerable activity.
Applications under consideration have turned up vigorously after a long decline.




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- 5 The average amount of applications received per week in May was $3,800,000.
This was the highest of any month this year; it was almost twice what was
received in April and was over twice what was received in January. The
average applications per week for each month since September are as follows:
APPLICATIONS RECEIVED - NET
Number

Amount

September, 193^

177

4,806,000

October

184

6,891,000

November

124

7,085,000

December

105

5,316,000

January, 1935

46

1,603,000

February

78

2,468,000

March

76

3,o44,ooo

April

58

2,036,000

May

60

3,836,000

So far this month the average per week is

$$,100,000.

This volume is

due principally to applications received at two Federal Reserve banks.
The figures indicate therefore that there is still a substantial demand for
the industrial credit authorized by Section ljb. There is also other evidence
of this demand.
On May 20, as I have already said, I addressed the Illinois Bankers
Association on the subject of industrial loans.

The address was reported in

the press and it was also mentioned in one of the Kiplinger letters. To
date over eleven hundred requests for that address have been received. They
have come from every State in the Union, except North Dakota and South Carolina, and from Hawaii. A hundred of them came from banks; in fact every




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Federal Reserve district "but one was represented by. these requests from banks±
A great majority came from industrial and commercial concerns * Many of these
requests were doubtless made by people who already had some knowledge of the
V

subject or interest in it, but it is difficult to imagine why there was such
an interest in the address unless a large number who wrote in for it wanted
to knoW how to get credit.

This is confirmed by the fact the most of the

requests seem to have beeq. instigated by the Kiplinger Washington letter, which
in its issue of May 18, described tersely and clearly the industrial loans
program of the Federal Reserve banks, and suggested that copies of the address
be asked for, since it gave information as to how loans were being made.
As you know, we have had experience in the past with publicity which
was not selective and which brought in a large number of applications that had
to be rejected,

I feel, however, that these inquiries which we received as

a result of the Kiplinger publicity represent to a large extent prospective
borrowers with some credit standing* And I feel, in view of this response
that there is still a potential and legitimate demand for industrial credit
which we can supply.
longer exists.

We cannot accept the idea that an effective demand no

Yet in spite of everything we have done, the fact that the

Federal Reserve banks are in a position1to make industrial credit available
remains too little known*

It is evident that a demand by prospective bor-

rowers of good standing still exists, and that we still have to solve the
problem of how to reach potential borrowers.
This is something upon which both the Reserve banks and the Board must
work together, And in this connection you will be interested in knowing that at
the suggestion of Mr. Pouch and Mr^ Creighton the Board has temporarily retained
Mr. B. P. Adams of New York to work on the problem of publicity. Mr* Adams is preparing articles particularly with a view to publication in trade journals. The




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Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis recently reported to the Board an opportunity
to have information about industrial loans published in the official journal of
the National Automobile Dealers Association, and Mr. Adams is reviewing the
draft of an article for this purpose in order to adapt it as fully as possible
to the interests of the publication's readers.

He is also preparing material

which it is hoped will appeal especially to member banks and stimulate their interest in industrial loans.

You will hear from Mr. Adams later.

As you know, it has been our policy all along to encourage local banks to
make these loans under protection of commitments from the Federal Reserve banks,
As you also know, the effort has not been conspicuously successful. At the
present time (June 19) loans by the Federal Reserve banks outstanding are
$27,000,000, and commitments are only $20,000,000.
It would seem, of course, that banks would find it substantially advantageous to make loans which the Federal Reserve banks will take over on request
without recourse as to 80 percent of any loss.

The fact remains that they do

not do so - at least to the extent to be expected.
reasons for this.

There are probably two

One is that the banks do not understand that the arrange-

ment means what it says, but think that they are simply being asked to make
capital loans.

The other reason is that the Federal Reserve banks probably find

it difficult to encourage an arrangement which is distinctly less profitable
to them than making loans direct or that is definitely unprofitable.

In grant-

ing a commitment they have the same expense of investigation as if a direct
have
loan were being made, they/either greater risk if they leave the servicing of
the loan to the bank making the loan, or else equal expense if they service it
themselves, and they get say 1 percent per annum instead of 4 to 6 percent.
It was not the idea of the Act, however, to provide sources of revenue for
the Federal Reserve banks.



The idea was that credit should be made available to

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industries which were in need of it, preferably from the usual sources, but if
it were not available from the usual sources then, in exceptional circumstances,
it was to be furnished by the Federal Reserve banks direct. We are under obligation -to carry out the obvious intent of the Act.
The fact that at several of the Reserve banks commitments exceed direct
loans indicates that this can be done. At two of the Reserve banks, St. Louis
and San Francisco, commitments are about three times as large as direct loans.
One Reserve Bank, as I understand, does not talk to member banks about participations and commitments simply in general terms.

It takes up every loan appli-

cation which has merit with some member bank and tries to get the bank to
handle the loan.

It points out in concrete terms the advantage to the bank

of carrying the loan on a commitment basis.
to which the bankertirustsay yes or no.

It makes a specific proposition

The banker may decide that he does not

want the loan, but at any rate he has a definite idea of what industrial loans
and commiianents are, and the next time he may be more willing. Meanwhile, the
Reserve bank tries another banker, and if necessary still another.
We most remember that these industrial loans are something that bankers
hatfe been trained to avoid.

When one is suggested they react from habit.

The

idea that objectionable features have been removed by the Federal Reserve bank
commitment does not register.
terms.




They must be told over and over again in specific

The members of the Industrial Advisory Committees are in a position to
understand this difficulty better than the bankers can; and when you are considering applications I hope you will give consideration not merely to the
question whether the loan should be made, but also to the possibility that a
member bank may be induced to take it under Federal Reserve commitment.

You

are interested in having the local banks perform their normal function, and
your point of view should be valuable to the Federal Reserve bank in getting
member bank cooperation.

It will be extremely helpful, accordingly, if you

as industrialists assisting the Federal Reserve System in this program, will
do what you can to bring the local banks more and more into the picture*
As of May "SI,

the accrued earnings of the twelve Federal Reserve banks

from industrial loans and commitments were $704,000.
accrued expense chargeable thereto was $930,000.

On the same date, the

There was, therefore, irre-

spective of any losses that may be sustained, an accrued deficit of $234,000
covering the period since the industrial loans program began.
This deficit was not shared by all the banks, however; three banks

showed

a profit.
Moreover the figures have shifted from the red to the black so far as
momth to month operations are concerned. Beginning with November they are as
follows for all the Reserve banks combined:




November

Loss

$ 65,400

December

n

44,400

January

i
i

10,600

February

n

100

March

Gain

17,100

April

i
i

42,4oo

May

»

52,000

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-10In April all but two "banks showed a profit on the month's operations,
and in May all but four showed a profit.
The total amount which the Federal Reserve banks have available for
industrial loans and conmitments under the law is $2771683,000,
amount the Federal Reserve

Of this

banks as of June 19 had outstanding in the

form of loans and commitments $47,790*000 or 17.2 percent.

The percentages

outstanding of the total available for each Federal Reserve bank were as
follows:
Richmond

53.7

Minneapolis

30.5

Dallas

27.1

Boston

25.3

St, Louis

23,5

Kansas City

17.6

Atlanta

16.8

New York

16.8

Philadelphia

15.2

San Francisco

13.6

Cleveland

10.8

Chicago

6.1

As industrialists you are interested, I imagine, in the figures which we
have compiled as to the kinds of business represented by the loans that have
been approved.

These figures were given in full in my address before the

Illinois Bankers Association. As of May 1, out of a total of $83,000,000,
approved, $12,000,000 was for the automobile industry.




Next came machinery

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- ii and machine tools, $7,000,000, and metals another $7,000,000; then textiles
$6,000,000, and lumber $5I500,000.
Most loans have been for manufacturing, which accounts for $62,000,000
out of the total of $83,000,000.

Wholesale and retail trades have obtained

$12,000,000 and miscellaneous lines of business, such as construction, printing and publishing, mines and quarries, hotels, etc., have $8,500,000,
The largest number of applications has been approved for manufacturers of
food products, namely, 95* Manufacturers of machinery and tools, follow with
84 applications approved, manufacturers of wearing apparel 82, dealers in
lumber and builders supplies 82, and wholesalers and retailors of food 80.
The smallest loan made so far is one for $250 to a manufacturer of cut
glass in the Dallas district.

The largest is one for $6,000,000 to the Hudson

Motor Car Company which was participated in by the Federal Reserve banks of New
York and Chicago and by the Commercial Investment Trust of New York,
You will also be interested in the classification of outstanding loans
according to size. As of May 31, the Reserve banks had 633 loans outstanding;
these loans amounted to $27,000,000. Very nearly half of them (302) were of
$10,000 or under. All but $4 were of $50*000 or less, and only 48 exceeded
$100,000,




The figures are as follows:

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dumber

[ Amoxint
$

18,078

1,000

27

1,000

10,000

275

1,292,716

10,001

25,000

l4l

2,530*996

25*001

50,000

96

3*627*843

50,001

100,000

46

3,431,252

100,001

300,000

39

6»96I,713

300,001

500,000

4

1,619,333

500,001

1,000,OC0

3

2,219,236

More than

1,000,000

2

5,266,359

Total

633

$26,967,526

Less than

You probably have heard something about a bill that has been introduced
in Congress (H.B.591S) to provide for the creation of an Intermediate Industrial
Credit Corporation to aid in financing small and medium sized commercial and
industrial establishments.

This corporation would rediscount obligations the

proceeds of which have been advanced or used originally for any industrial or
commercial purpose, and would lend directly to borrowers engaged in producing or
marketing goods or services on the security of warehouse receipts , shipping
documents, mortgages or "other evidences of probability of repayment of the loan
when due".

The loans and discounts would have maturities of not less than six

months nor more than five years, but the corporation could grant renewals up to
ten years from the date the loans were originally made.

The capital of the

corporation would be $100,000,000 owned by the United States, and it would be
authorized to have bonds outstanding not to exceed $1,000,000,000 fully and

unconditionally


guaranteed by the Federal Government.

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Credit Corporation they would have to have a separate and distinct department
for their time deposits and subject such department to the supervision of the
Intermediate Industrial Credit Corporation.
On April 15, the Business Advisory Council for the Department of
Commerce submitted a report based on several months of study of the
small industries situation through the country.

The Council stated

that it was particularly impressed with the zeal and energy shown
by the Federal Reserve Board in exercising the powers granted by
the Act of June 19, 193^ •

The report of the Council indicated that

the credit requirements of industrial concerns which cannot be
satisfied from normal sources are not so large as they appeared to be
six months ago, and that the credit needs of small industries are being
more adequately met by commercial banks and other financial institutions,
Notwithstanding this indication, the Council "strongly recommended
an immediate study by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, Federal
Reserve Board, and Securities and Exchange Commission in cooperation
with the investment bankers of the country, to the end that facilities
be offered sound, small industries for tho acquisition of needed capital."




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- l4 During a trip to Europe from which he returned a few weeks ago, Mr.
Creighton made inquiry as to what was being done in England, France, Germany,
Poland and Austria in the way of providing working capital to industry. He
found that in England especially efforts were being made to provide credit,
but they were part of a program of rationalization which generally sought elimination of inefficient units and rehabilitation of specific lines of industry.
In the other countries comparatively little even along this line was being done.
The aims and the means adopted in Europe and America

differ widely, but there

seems to be nothing in European experience to throw any doubt upon the desirability of such a program as we have.

We continue to pioneer.

You will hear

frbm Mr, Creighton personally on this matter.
It is obvious to me that we have not yet done all that we can or all that
is expected of us.
for credit*

Congress has given us the task of meeting a very real demand

We are expected moreover to meet that demand in a way that utilizes

local and existing facilities as much as possible.

We are not expected to en-

courage the Federal Reserve System to encroach on the field of private- financing.

In carrying out its task in the way it was intended to be carried out,

the Federal Reserve System has been provided with the assistance of the Industrial Advisory Committees,and the System is grateful to you for the service you
have been and are rendering without compensation. The function of these
committees of which you gentlemen are chairmen is not merely to make




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The

Industrial Advisory Conmittees were established, in the words of the
law, "for the purpose of aiding the Federal Reserve banks in carrying
out the provisions" of Section Ijb*

That language is comprehensive.

It seems clearly to contemplate a general situation where the bankers1
point of view alone is inadequate, and where the industrialists' is
indispensable, and it does not seem to be limited to passing on applications,

Moreover your power of recommendation is not restricted.

I know that you feel it part of your duty to consider now how local
credit agencies may be stimulated to cooperate with the Federal Reserve
banks in making industrial loans, and that both in general and in connection with specific applications you will offer your recommendations as to
the steps that may be taken by your Federal Reserve bank to enlist local
bank cooperation.




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Exhibit B

STATEMENT FOR THE PRESS
BY MR. W. H. POUCH FOR THE INDUSTRIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES OF THE
FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS.

For release in the Morning Papers,
Wednesday, June 26, 1935.

June 25, 1955.

Much more is being done to aid the small business man in this country
than anywhere else in the world; and existing facilities here are fully
capable of meeting the demand for credit to industry.

This is, in brief,

the conclusion reached by Mr. Albert M. Creighton of Boston after visiting
England, Germany, Poland, Austria and France.
Mr. Creighton is Chairman of the Chairmen of the Industrial Advisory
Committees in the twelve Federal reserve districts, which aid in the making
of direct loans to industry by the Federal reserve banks.

The meeting of

these Chairmen yesterday in Washington was in the nature of an anniversary.
Section 13b, providing for loans to industry, was enacted June 19, 1934,
and $280,000,000 was made available through the Reserve banks.

Exactly one

year later, June 19, 1955, there had been received 6,571 loan applications
totaling $260,373,000; the Advisory Committees had approved 1,798 loans
totaling $100,751,000; the Federal reserve banks had approved 1,656 loans
totaling $88,601,000; advances made totaled $51,447,000, with commitments
of $20,404,000, or $51,851,000 altogether.
Mr. Creighton presented a report on credit facilities abroad in
which he stated that "almost without exception, and particularly in
England, there have been numerous complaints since the depression by
business men and industrialists that it was not possible for them
to secure loans from the banks", but as various emergency loaning organizations had been established, it was found that the claims were much



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exaggerated and that a large percentage of the applicants really wanted to
start new businesses or were found on investigation to be unsatisfactory credit
risks.

It was pointed out that, in England especially, credit needs of industry

were being considered as part of a program of rationalization which generally
sought elimination of inefficient units and rehabilitation of specific lines
of industry.
There is a much larger fund available in the United States for loans to
industry than in any other country, and there is no question, said Mr.
Creighton, "that the Federal reserve banks under Section 15b have done far
more for the small industrialists than has been done anywhere in Europej under
Section 15b the Federal reserve banks are giving quick, efficient, sympathetic
service and are aiding industry in accordance with the wishes of those who
sponsored the passage of this Act."
Mr. Creighton believes that the Reserve banks and the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation under present legislation can provide for any sound and
reasonable demand for credit to industry.

He therefore reaches the conclusion

that "the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the Federal Reserve System
under Section 15b should be allowed to function as at present with no thought
of supplementing this work with additional plans for the making of sound loans
to industry."

In other v.ords, the formation of such additional agencies, as

Intermediate Credit Banks, would merely duplicate already existing facilities.
The immediate need is that "every prospective borrower in this country should
know about the existing facilities in connection with industrial loans and
should understand how to take advantage of them."




INDUSTRIAL ADVANCES AND COMMITMENTS UNDER SECTION IJb OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT
SUMMARY BY FEDERAL RESERVE B A M S , JUNE 19, 1934 TO JUKE 19, 1935
(Amounts in thousands of dollars)
Federal
Reserve
Bank

Applications
received - net
Number Amount

Total applications
recommended for approval
by Industrial Advisory
Committee*
Amount
Number

Applications
under
cons ideration
Amount
Number

B-8I7

Total applications Advances
made
approved by Federal
Reserve Bank*
Amount
Huaiber

Commitments
outstanding

Boston

379

21,133

24

3,389

129

9,163

85

6,389

2,4<.0

2,869

New York

769

59,265

40

5,777

275.

23,265

287

25,159

6,943

8,146

Philadelphia

442

27,265

17

7,306

143

14,102

110

9,533

5,022

733

Cleveland

515

14,611

14

-477

144

5,897

126

5,134

1,702

1,491

Richmond

449

16,986

8

459

139

8,439

139

8,338

4,696

1,511

Atlanta

431

10,645

18

233

145

3,773

139

3,527

1,377

672

38,338

30

2,233

115

8,692

90

6,071-.

2,318

499

Chicago

867

St. Louis

291

10,479

3

133

99

4,883

98

4,892

711

1,794

Minneapolis

880

16,631

43

1,002

240

5,735

214

4,627

2,438

77

Kansas City-

318

10,619

7

2,129

71

5,456

63

3,367

1,226

227

Dallas

404

10,517

12

565

95

3,838

90

3,634

1,838

400

San Francisco

826

23,884

69

3,638

203

7,508

195

7,880

716

1,985

6,571 260,373
FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD
DIVISION OF BANK OPERATIONS
JUNE 24, 1935.

285

27,341

1,798

100,751

1,636

88.601

21,447

20.404

TOTAL




*With and without conditions.
g,
CO

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Exhibit C
April 15, 1935.
CREDIT AND CAPITAL REQUIREMENTS OF SMALL INDUSTRY
Summary of Report to the Secretary of Commerce by the Business Advisory Council
for the Department of Commerce.
At the outset of its study of the credit difficulties of small manufacturers,
the Council found itself faced with a paucity of direct and up-to-date information
as to the character and prevalence of the difficulties of individual concerns.
To obtain a factual basis for its study a survey was made, on behalf of the
Council, by the Bureau of the Census of the Department of Commerce.

Question-

naires prepared by that Bureau were sent, with few exceptions, to manufacturers
employing an average of from SO to 190 wage earners in 1935j but for the final
tabulations, returns

from concerns employing not less than 21 nor more than 250

wage earners were included.

Of the 16,500 firms to which questionnaires were

sent, 7,669, or over 46 percent, submitted returns.

Of these, 6,158 were found

to be suitable for tabulation.
Of the 6,158 concerns covered in this Survey, 4,387, or 71 percent, were
classified as borrowers and 1,771 or 29 percent, as non-borrowers or as concerns
with no credit experience.

Of the 4,387 reported borrowing concerns, 1,964, or

45 percent, reported credit difficulties.

These however, constituted only 32 per-

cent of the total number of the concerns covered.
Of the 1,964 concerns reporting credit difficulties, 1,872 indicated the
sources customarily used by them.

Of this number about 82 percent reported that

they depended normally upon commercial banks for credit for working capital purposes.




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Of the 2,423 concerns reporting no credit difficulty, 2,217 indicated their
customary sources of credit, 90 percent of these stating that banks were the
normal source of their working capital loans•
Nearly two-thirds of the manufacturers reporting credit difficulty (1,255
of the 1,964) estimated that they would need $50,915,000 during 1954 to meet
maturing obligations. Uneasiness over the disinclination of banks to renew outstanding obligations was unquestionably vdde spread in the summer of 1954, when
the returns to the Census questionnaire were made.

Banks generally had relaxed

but little their efforts to achieve greater liquidity and were still under pressure from official examiners to reduce the proportion of slow or bad loans and
to be "realistic" in the valuation of their assets.
Regarding the attitude of the banks at that time, it should be recalled that
many of them had only recently emerged from the difficulties that culminated in
the closing of all of the banks of the country in March 1953.

Many banks failed

to reopen after this "bank holiday" and a considerable number that resumed operations had to be extremely cautious for a long period.

Thousands of banks had

failed or suspended operations in previous years and concerns that relied on
these banks for credit accommodation found it difficult to establish new banking
connections.
Although the facts regarding the progress of the depression are generally
known, it might be well to review briefly the effects of the depression on the
banks.

The decline in commodity prices which began in the summer of 1929, pro-

ceeded with but few interruptions until March 1933, when it assumed almost
catastrophic proportions.
bank loans —

This decline impaired the value of the security behind

not merely the loans collateralled by commodities but also those




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based on the earning capacity of the borrowers, the value of whose inventories declined correspondingly and whose margin of profit was either sharply reduced or
wiped out.

Moreover, as prices declined, the tendency on the part of all classes

of buyers to defer purchases increased and production fell off.

Railroad move-

ment of freight became lower and lower and the earnings of railrodads reached
their lowest levels in years.

As large holders of railroad bonds, many banks

were seriously affected by the ensuing decline in the prices of their securities,
which they were obliged to sell in order to obtain funds to meet increasing withdrawals of deposits.

The calling of loans against securities which had been ex-

panded greatly during the boom also added to the difficulties of the banks, since
it resulted, of course, in the lowering of the value not only of the collateral
behind such loans but also of the securities held by the banks for their own account.

Thus, the vast majority of banks were caught in a destructive downward

spiral and were practically powerless to extricate themselves.

The establishment

of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation in 1932 was a splendid effort to arrest
these depressive forces but it proved to be somewhat belated.
It is not surprising, therefore, that as late as the summer of 1954 most of
the banks were still putting their houses in order, either on their own initiative
or at the behest of bank examining authorities who had been sharply criticized
for their previous disinclination to force banks to call slow loans or write off
doubtful ones.

What is surprising, in view of the conditions existing in the

middle of 1934, is that go large a proportion of the reported borrowing concerns
included in the Census survey, 2,423 out of 4,387, reported no credit difficulty,
although 90 percent of them stated that banks were the normal source of their
working capital loans, whereas only 82 percent of the concerns reporting credit



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difficulty stated that they relied on banks for such accommodation.
Another fact to be borne in mind in considering the statistics based upon
the returns to the Census questionnaire is that the great bulk of these returns
were made within two or three months after the passage of the Act of June 19,
19*34, which authorized the Federal Reserve banks and the Reconstruction Finance
Corporation to make direct loans to industry. This legislation, it should be
noted in passing, was a clear recognition of the inability of the banks as a whole
to finance industry as freely as could be desired.
The Council is particularly impressed with the zeal and energy shown by the
Federal Reserve Board in exercising the power granted by the Act of June 19, 1954,
and feels that a special tribute should be paid to the late Eugene Black, who was
then Governor of the Reserve Board, for the inspiring enthusiasm and the tireless
energy he poured into this activity of the Federal Reserve system.

But despite

the evident desire to cut corners and eliminate red tape, several months were required before the Industrial Advisory Committees of the several Federal Reserve
banks could begin to function effectively.

A certain minimum period of time is

required to organize, and to establish a working procedure for, an undertaking
which involves the loaning of many millions.
In view of what has been accomplished by the Federal Reserve banks and the
Reconstruction Finance Corporation under the Act of June 19, 1934, it may well be
- that a considerable proportion of the concerns that reported credit difficulty at
the time they made their returns to the Census questionnaire, were subsequently
accommodated by these agencies.
Since the summer of 1934 the policies of the federal examining authorities
have become more liberal with respect to "slow" loans.




The problem of the proper

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treatment of "slow" loans was considered at a meeting of the chief examiners of
the federal examining agencies on September 10 and 11, 1954.

Subsequently, the

Comptroller of the Currency instructed national bank examiners that real estate
and capital loans were not to be classified as "slow", if there was reasonable assurance of repayment, and that working capital loans with maturities up to five
years were not to be so classified, if covered by commitments from Federal Reserve banks,

the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation likewise instructed its

examiners to differentiate between "slow" loans which were sound because adequately secured or because collectible ultimately and "slow" loans which were unsound.
On January 14, 1935, the Reconstruction Finance Corporation announced a
liberalization of its policies with respect to direct loans to industry. To
quote, "one change provides that consideration will be given to applications where
a * substantial * rather than •incidental1 portion of the proceeds is to be used
to satisfy or compromise existing indebtedness. The second modification, designed
to be of assistance in the stimulation of demand for capital goods, provides for
the consideration of applications where the money is to be used principally for
the replacement and modernization of plant and equipment,"
Still more recently the statutory regulations governing the direct lending
activities of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation were amended in important
particulars by act of Congress. A bill finally approved on January 51, 1955,
extended the life of the Corporation for two years from that date and provided,
among other things, that the Corporation could make industrial loans so secured
as reasonably to assure repayment; and that the Corporation could make loans or
renewals up to January 51, 1945, instead of to January 51, 1940, as previously
stipulated.

This act also authorized the Corporation to purchase stock in-mortgage




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loan institutions for the purpose of the re-establishment of a normal mortgage
market.

The first of these provisions makes possible a continuation of the direct

lending activities of the Corporation? the second relieves it of the "adequate
security" requirement for loans to industry, a requirement which had seriously
curtailed the number and the amount of its loans; the third makes possible the
authorization of loans which can be repaid only over a term of years; and the
last facilitates the securing of long-term credit by business concerns through
the pledging of fixed assets.
There has been a pronounced extension of the direct lending activities of the
Federal Reserve banks with the able and vigorous assistance of the Industrial
Advisory Committees.

In spite of this fact, both the number of applications re-

ceived per week and the amount of the loans applied for continue at a low level.
This evidence, as well as that afforded by the total number of applications received and the total amount applied for, suggests that the credit requirements
of industrial concerns which cannot be satisfied from normal sources are not so
large as they appeared to be six months ago, and that the credit needs of small
industry are being more adequately met by commercial banks and by other financial
institutions.
The total amount of credit made available to manufacturing concerns through
the activities of the direct lending agencies is substantial. To the amount of
the loans approved by the Federal Reserve banks ($56,000,000 to February 27, 1935)
must be added the loans and commitments authorized by the Reconstruction Finance

M

Corporation ($55,800,000 as of February 20, 1955).

The actual disbursements of

these agencies are much less than the amount of the loans approved.

Nevertheless,

1 7 These figures exclude advances and commitments made to miscellaneous concerns
and those in the wholesale and retail trades.



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when account is taken of the loans made or renewed by commercial banks and other
financial institutions as a result of the change in their policy induced by the
efforts of the Industrial Advisory Committees, the total credit made available
to industry through the activities of the direct lending agencies may have satisfied a large proportion of the legitimate needs.
Between June 19, 1954, and February 27, 1955, the Federal Reserve banks had
received 5,595 applications for advances under the Act of June 19, 1954, in
amounts totaling #205,580,858, distributed by principal groups of applicants as
follows:
Class of borrower.

: Number of

applications
:
(net)
:

Wholesale and retail trades
Miscellaneous
:

2,573
2,054
988
5.595

Amount applied for.
#140,224,668
56,184,876
29.171.514
#205.580.858

The number of applications approved by the Federal Reserve Banks with and
without conditions and the amount of the commitments and advances thus provided
for were as follows:
Commitments
: Advances
Number : Amount
:Number : Amount
Manufacturers
266 :#25,425,440: 448 :#50,597,167
Wholesale and retail trades.
113 : 4,204,400: 256 : 4,915,200
49 : 2.830.500: 136 : 4.551.200
Total
428 : 32,460,540: 840 : 40,063,567
Class of borrower

In other words, the Federal Reserve banks had approved 1,268, or nearly 23
percent, of the applications made to February 27, 1955.

The amounts covered by

the applications approved totaled #72,525,907, or slightly more than 35 percent
of the total amount applied for on the total number of applications.




X-9252-c
Limiting our observations to applications of manufacturers, it will be noted
that of the 2,573 applications from concerns in this classification, 714 were approved. The applications approved called for advances and commitments aggregating
$56,022,607.

Thus, nearly 28 percent of the applications from manufacturers were

approved and the loans so approved constituted about 40 percent of the total
amount applied for by all applicants.
Of the $40,063,567 which the Federal Reserve banks had agreed to advance to
all classes, $21,729,054 had actually been loaned to February 27, 1935, —
$353,791 for 3 months or less; $3,236,777 for 3 to 6 months; $2,849,984 for 6 to
12 months; and the balance, $15,288,502, for one to 5 years, as much as $9,258,417
being loaned for 4 to 5 years.
There is a tendency in some quarters to minimize the results obtained by the
Federal Reserve banks by stressing the figure of $21,729,054.

But such criticism

ignores the fact that a large part of the advances which those banks agreed to
make had not been availed of and the fact that the banks had agreed to assume
$32,460,340 of loans made by commercial banks under the commitments they had
taken.
Incidentally it should be noted that the proportions of approved loan applications in the case both of the wholesale and retail trades and of the miscellaneous group were very much lower, both in number and in amounts, than in the
case of applications from manufacturers«
That the great bulk of the advances made by the Federal Reserve banks were for
periods of more than 6 months, more than one-half of the total advanced being
v

«loaned for from 4 to 5 years, confirms the impression held by well-informed persons
that a pressing need of industry was for a type of loan which commercial banks




could not, or should not, make, even in normal times.

It also serves to support

the view of those who assert that at the present stage in the prolonged depression
a large number of the smaller industrial concerns must strengthen their capital
structures#
No data are available as to the usance of the loans on which the Federal
Reserve banks have taken commitments.

It is fair, however, to assume that, al-

though the bulk of them run for periods longer than the loaning banks would
wish to provide under existing conditions, they are, on the average, for much
shorter periods than the advances made by the Federal Reserve banks directly.
They are probably more in the nature of working capital loans.
The Reconstruction Finance Corporation also has been far more active in
making advances under the authority conferred by the Act of June 19, 1954, than
is generally believed.

To February 20, 1935, the Corporation had received 1,717

applications for loans or commitments involving a total of $156,896,599, and had
approved 790 applications in the total amount of $42,852,759.

Of the loans ap-

proved, 625 were for manufacturing concerns, the total of such loans amounting
to $35,821,524, or about $57,300 per application approved.
Incidentally, it might be noted that the Reconstruction Finance Corporation
catered more largely to the textile, food, and lumber industries, nearly onehalf of its loans and commitments being made to concerns in these groups.

On

the other hand, nearly 22 percent of the advances and commitments of the Federal
Reserve banks were made for the account of concerns manufacturing automobiles,
trucks, and accessories; about 11.5 percent, for concerns producing machinery
and machine toolsj and nearly 11 percent, for manufacturers of metals.

In view

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the latter figures appear significant.
Loans by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to concerns making iron and
steel and their products, machinery, and transportation equipment and by the
Federal Reserve banks to textile and food manufacturers were also important.
With the continued restoration of business activity the need of small industry for intermediate and long-term capital has become increasingly urgent.
There seems to be little doubt- that a large number of the smaller manufacturing
concerns have been able to withstand the effects of the long-drawn-out depression in part, through sharp curtailment of expenditures on repairs of building
and equipment and, in part, through the reduction of inventories of raw materials,
parts and supplies to a hand-to-mouth basis.

Not only is existing equipment

wearing out at a rapid rate but it is also becoming obsolete.

The necessity for

buying raw materials, etc., in limited quantities prevents concerns from
acquiring them at satisfactory prices.

Both factors operate to increase manu-

facturing costs and to reduce profits.
It is clear that the capital structure of American industry as a whole has
been impaired by these and other factors and the ability of the smaller industrial
concerns, in particular, to borrow from the banks for working capital purposes
has been correspondingly lowered.

In this connection, the Council has been

greatly impressed by the fact that the bulk of the advances and commitments made
by the Federal Reserve banks have been for periods of more than one year.
The inability of the smaller concerns to modernize thier machinery and equipment explains in no small measure the continued depression in many of the capital
goods industries.
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evident from the Council's study of the facts disclosed in the Census survey, in
the survey made by the Treasury Department of conditions in the Seventh Federal
Reserve District (the Viner-Hardy report), and in a survey made by the National
Industrial Conference Board, and of the results of the operations of the Federal
Reserve banks and the Reconstruction Finance Corporation under the act of June
19, 1934, as well as from its consideration of the testimony of individual leaders
and bankers.
As a matter of fact, long-term financing for small industry has always been
difficult.

It is not simply a depression problem.

Through private investment

bankers, it has been available only to concerns of sufficient size and standing
to warrant the investment banker in bringing out an issue as small as, for instance, $1,000,000.

So it may be said that this facility has been practically

denied to smaller concerns.
capital structures

Such enterprises have been obliged to develop their

gradually out of undistributed earnings or to attract the

participation of individual capitalists.

They have not received the benefits

of recourse to the capital markets for their long-term requirements.
Since small industry plays a very important part in the economic life of
the nation and since its activities contribute so much to those of the larger
plants, it would seem the part of wisdom to provide the smaller, sound industrial
concerns with the long-term credit facilities which they require.

This would

make for safer commercial banking as well as for cheaper and better financing
for industry as a whole.
This is and should be a natural function of the investment banker acting as
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At the moment, this channel is blocked by the too rigid requirements of the
Securities Act; by a general fear of the future on the part of investment
bankers; and by the waiting attitude of the investing public.
The need exists and is of paramount importance to recovery.
investment need, rather than a credit need.

Mainly it is an

It should be filled.

The Council strongly recommends an immediate study by the Reconstruction
Finance Corporation, Federal Reserve Board, and Securities and Exchange Commission in cooperation with the investment bankers of the country, to the end
that facilities be offered sound, small industries for the acquisition of
needed capital.