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BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

Date

March 18, 1968.

To

Governor Brimmer

From

Merritt Sherman

Here is an excerpt from former
Board member Hamlin's personal diary
containing his comments relevant to the
1927 rate reduction that was determined
by the Board for the Chicago Reserve Bank.
I shall appreciate your returning these
pages when they have served your
SISIf
The Board members present when the rate
reduction was voted were Crissinger,
Cunningham, James, McIntosh (Comptroller
S f the Currency), Hamlin, Miller, and
Platt. (Secretary Mellon, Chairman of
the Board, was not present at the meeting).
The latter three voted against determining
the rate for Chicago, at least partly for
procedural reasons.




833.

VOLUME XIV
July 1

-

1927

July 6, Wednesday
Miller put in a motion that purchases of foreign bills were
subject to regulations and approval of Federal Reserve Board.

As he

framed it, it practically said only subject to approval, which might
imply that every such transaction must be approved by the Board before
making it.

C.S.H. finally got Miller to refer to Section 14 as well as

13, as he, C.S.H., said was in doubt as to whether Section 13 was not
limited to domestic purchases.

C.S.H. also had "regulations" inserted

before approval, and stated that he voted for the motion only upon
understanding that "approval" referred only to future regulations, if any,
which might specifically require approval, and that, pending such regulations, no approval was necessary.
July

7, Thursday
Governor Norman, Mr. Schacht of Reichsbank and Deputy Governor

Rist of Bank of France called and at 1 P.M.
at New Willards Hotel.

Governor

the Board gave them a lunch

Norman called and was with me nearly an

hour.

He believes present falling prices are due to an appreciation of

gold.

C.S.R. said that in U.S. at least falling prices were not caused

by any lack of credit which was cheap and abundant.
He seemed to feel we ought not to have kept our rates up to

At the lunch Norman, Schacht and Rist spoke but only in very
general terms.




834.

Miller said he hated inflation when it could be prevented,
but having occurred, he hated deflation more.

He felt the Board

should regard present prices as a minimum and do what it can to prevent further recession or even help to bring about some increase.
Governor Strong said Governor Norman believed falling prices
were caused by appreciation of gold and not by depreciation of commodities.

Governor Strong said both causes might be at work.

July 6, Wednesday
James and C.S.H. had conference with Under Secretary Mills
on Cuban Agency.

C.S.H. loaned him Taylor's brief, National City Bank's

reply, and C.S.R.'s analysis of Taylor's brief.

He said he would study

the matter.
July 7, Thursday
Governor Norman and the others had no meeting with the Board.
Governor Norman and Governor Fist both called but our conversation was
on general topics.
their confidence.

I suspect they did not want to take the Board into
At the lunch Governor Crissinger had Under Secretary

Mills, the new Assistant Secretary of Treasury, and a number of others.
The Washington Star spoke of the meeting here as a "Treasury" conference,
and in giving the list of guests omitted all members of the Board.
Mills, has met them in New York and the papers said Governor
Crissinger returned to New York with them.

I heard the Comptroller

tell Strong he would be in New York tomorrow.
Evidently there have been a series of conferences, carefully
kept from the Board.
The papers have made no mention of McGarrah in connection
with the New York meetings.




835.

On James' motion,

Board voted to rescind its earlier votes

and not to change existing clause.
Aye - Governor Crissinger, James and C.S.H.
No

- Miller and Cunningham.

Dr. Miller said he had a talk with Governor Norman, Rist
and Schacht after the lunch, but found them very aloof and evasive
evidently not wanting to discuss matters with him.

Miller said if

the reason for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York selling
69 million of gold to France and accepting a Bank of England sterling
credit was to help the gold standard in Great Britain we should get
Into an awful mess.
C.S.F. said helping Great Britain and any other country
to stabilize its currency, whether or not it was on gold standard,
was of great benefit to U.S. exports, and foreign purchasing power
of our products.

(See article of Burgess on American Academy of

Political Science Vol. 12, No.

3,

July 1927, taking position that

Federal Reserve System has a responsibility for keeping the world
back to the gold standard and that Governor Strong conceived this
great idea.)
Miller leaves today for two months/ trip to California vie
Chicago and Minneapolis.
He said he wished to record his feeling that in any desire
to make conditions easier it should be done by lowering discount rates
and not by purchasing Government securities; that he felt agriculture
would have a greatly increased purchasing power

ES

it would have a

billion dollars more for its products and he saw no reason for easing
up.

Digitized
L for FRASER


836.

I met Schacht only at the lunch--merely an introduction.
July 5, Tuesday
Had conference with Curtiss in Federal Reserve Bank.

He

told me Governor Mores died that morning.
July 13, Wednesday
Board approved letter to State Department explaining attempt
of Cuban Treasury to tax Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta about .5,000
because of an excess of exports over imports of money at Cuban agency
under a Cuban statute.

The Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta also prepared

a brief to be filed with Cuban Treasury.

Eddy had told White of State

Department of this and he through diplomatic channels secured a stay of
the decision temporarily.

He asked Board to send him a general letter,

and said Federal Reserve Bank should not file its brief with Cuba Treasury
until we heard from State Department again.
Board took up again matter of reporting all transactions in
foreign bills in greater detail as Board had already voted to do, not
later than July 13.
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York did not think any change
was necessary in weekly statement
"foreign bills".

but Miller and Cunningham insisted--

James said present clause "Bills bought in open market"

covered the matter as the open market is mentioned in Act as "at home or
abroad".

Cunningham and Miller said a "detailed statement" required by

Act required us to distinguish between domestic and foreign purchases.
C.S.H. disagreed with Cunningham and Miller who predicted dire things-charge of deception, etc.

C.S.H. pointed out that Governor Strong said

that to publish these in such detail would be simply an aid to clever
speculations in foreign exchange and might even imperil Great Britain's
hold on gold standard.



837.

July 25
Governor Crissinger tells me that there was a formal conference
in New York between Norman, Rist and Schacht and Governors of Federal
Reserve Beriks, etc., the day after they left Washington.
Governor Crissinger said all the Governors representing
Open Market Committee were there and others; that it was in every
sense a formal conference although Governor Crissinger did not know
this until he got there; that Governor Norman unbosomed himself and
told us what a critical position the Bank of England was as regards
gold; that it must put up its discount rate--to the injury of business,
commerce, etc., unless the Federal Reserve Bank of New York should
reduce its rate.
July 27, Wednesday
Board meets with Open Market Committee, Governor Beggs, Governr
Young of Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, Federal Reserve Agent
of Bank of St. Louis, Harrison, and Burgess, Assistant Federal Reserve
Agent, New York, were also there by invitation.
a very interesting report (See Scrap Book).

The committee filed

Governor Strong spoke

briefly--showed condition in Europe, Great Britain cannot keep her
gold unless (1) she raises her rate, or (2) we lower our rate.

If

she has to increase her rate it will be hard on her manufacturers and
merchants and will interfere with her power to buy liberally on cotton,
wheat, etc.; also other European countries will increase their rates
with same result.

He said that by lowering our rates we could do the

financing for Great Britain of our exports which would be a great things
for United States.




838.

He pointed out that discounts had fallen off materially at
Federal Reserve Ranks and that he believed that from the domestic
point of view it would certainly be advisable to lower the New York
rate and he believed it should be made a system matter and that all
rates should be reduced and that it should be done now before the crop
movement is financed.

If we do not do it now the European Central banks

must put up rates to protect their reserves, with consequent injury to
American exports.
Governor Harding said we had been attacked by farmers because
in the past we had put down rates after the crops had left the farmers hands
and gone to the speculators, where we put up rates in the autumn after the
crops had moved when the farmers
to reverse the process.

were buying, that this was a splendid chance

Most of those present said that while there was

no apparent demand for lower rates in their districts,' they felt their
directors would join in making it a System matter and they would advise
this.
Governor McDougal said his directors saw no need of rate reduction and intimated they would not be willing to join.
C.S.E. then had read the recommendation of Federal Advisory
Counsel in May 1927, that if business recession should continue, rates
should not be reduced, the purpose of the declaration (drawn by Taylor)
being to keep existing rates as an irreducible minimum, the Council even
went so fnr as to say that open market investments should be sold to bring
this about.

C.S.H. asked McDougal if above resolution represented the

views of Chicago bankers




and after some hesitation he admitted it did.

839.

Governor Strong said this was a purely selfish banker's view-that none of the large banks ever wanted rates reduced.
C.S.H. then said he concurred in recommendation of Open Market
Committee: - 1. Reduction to 3-; 2. continued buying of securities
up to, say, 50 millions to make the rate effective.

He said he was very

much puzzled at decline in prices in last five years, now below the
lowest is

reached after crisis of 1920; that he saw a faint parallel

between 1872-1893 and now.

Then prices fell although wages slowly in-

creased; at last came the crisis of 1893; he did not look for this now
for there were other causes at work; he felt one reason for the decline
naffwas improved industrial processes just as it was in 1872-1893; in that
period appreciation of gold also was a cause; is that a cause now?; many
in Europe claim it is; while there is no appreciation of gold in this
country, can it be that the 4% rate is somewhat constricting credits and
that this, coupled with scarcity of gold in Europe, may account in part
fS r reduced prices?

C.S.H. said that while there is some ground to believe

that existing recession of business in United Stats is only temporary,
yet no one can predict with confidence what future may disclose, nnd if
a recession should come, he would prefer to have it come when our rates
were very low so that it could not be claimed, as in 1920, that the recession was caused by

as high rates.

C.S.H. edded that Federal Reserve

discounts were fully off that the Federal Reserve System was practically
out of touch with the market; that he believed the Federal Reserve Banks
should always be

a.•e favored a 3-

continuous buying oke it effective.




rate and a

All agreed, practically, that the only reason for not doing
this would be that it might encourRge stock speculation, but it was
felt th t this should not be allowed to prevent doing what was best for
business and agriculture 9.nd thRt direct action should be usad to
courage speculation.
C.S.H. moved that the banks be informed that it was the desire
of the Board that the banks put in a 3-1/2% rate.
Governor Strong and Norris thought it advisable to send out
what would be construed to be an order. (uOvernor Strong denies that we
have such power.)

After lunch, Governor Strong reported a draft of

minutes, declaring above as sentiment of Board, but not putting it as
an Order, and moved lach member report these minutes to his directors.
Passed unanimously.
C.S.H. moved that committee be authorized to continue purchase of securities up to 50 millions.

Passed unanimously.

C.S.H. in speaking said he rested his opinion primarily on
damestic grounds but he agreed with Governor Strong as to what he said
on foreign situation.
Governor Fancher tells C.S.H. his counsel is working on letter
to Board asking opinion of Attorney General on payment of salary to
Willist widow.
Platt returns from Europe.
July 28, Thursday
Board approves reduction of rate--Kansas City--to 3-1/2%.
Tuly 29, Friday




St. Louis reduces to 3-1/24.

841.

August 1 - 4
Cleveland, Boston and New York reduce to 3-1/2%.
August 4, Thursday
Governor Crissinger calls me up.

Wall Street Journal prints

statement that Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago will defy Board and will not
lower rate.
tion.

Governor Crissinger sent telegram to Heath demanding explana-

Heath denied it came from bank.
Governor Crissinger says he, Comptroller and James want to

Initiate a 3-1/2% rate and says he has wired Cunningham, asks C.S.H. if
he will join.

C.S.H. says wait until Monday.

who says he objected to putting in a rate.

C.S.H. calls up Platt

Said that Executive Committee

did not lower the rate but directors have not met.
August

5, Friday
Platt writes as above.

See Scrap Book.

22Eust 12, Frita
Governor Crissinger wished to put in a rate of 3-1/2 for Chicago
of our own initiative.
went over.

C.S.H., Platt and Comptroller objected and matter

We felt that this would not be advisable as the Board has

not asked any Bank to reduce--it merely sent each bank the minutes of
the meeting of Board and Open Market Committee in which the feeling was
expressed that rates ought to go down.
Philadelphia had a meeting before New York reduced and decided
not to reduce, at least for the present.

Governor Norris told C.S.H.

Wayne objected, for the reason Governor Norris believes that a reduction
would force lower rates to customers.




842.

Richmond also voted not to lower but agreed to wire directors
of two more banks should reduce rates.
Atlanta reduced today and Dallas yesterday.
August 15
Richmond reduced to 3-1/2%.
August 16
All banks have now reduced except Chicago, Philadelphia,
Minneapolis and San Francisco.
September

6, Tuesday

Meeting specially called to take action on Chicago rate question.
Last week Heath wrote that the Executive Committee of which three members
were present did not feel like reducing rates, although pereonally inclined
to, becPuse of the absence of three others known to be opposed.
To this, Governor Crissinger, JRMAS, Cunningham and Comptroller,
acting as executive committee, answered that the Executive Committee did
not approve the Chicago Bankb decision to keep in the 4% rate.
Heath wrote back that in September 9 tbe directors would meet
and that he felt confident that they would

vote to reduce as the

executive committee's statement was the first official intimation that
the Federal Reserve Board wished rates reduced.

I think also his letter

contained the statement that Simpson had said he would vote to reduce if
the Federal Reserve Board wished it.

The question arose as to ratifying

the minutes of the above executive committee meeting.
Platt objected, pointing out that the executive committee had
no authority to reject any rate, that its authority was strictly limited
to approving any proposed reduction of any Federal Reserve Bank to 3-1/2°A
if at the time no quorum of the Board was present.
Platt.



C.S.H. agreed with

84'3.

On motion to ratify, however, the Board voted:
Aye--Governor Crissinger, Comptroller, Tames and Cunningham.
No---C.S.H., Miller and Platt.

Carried.

Cunningham then moved to put in at Chicago a rate of 3-1/2%.
C.S.H. moved as a substitute that the existing 4% rate (disapproved by executive committee) be determined as the lawful rate until
close of business on Friday, September 9 (the date of the directors'
meeting).
Miller objected on ground that this might be construed by
Chicago as a willingness to keep in the 4% rate if Chicago so voted,
although he said he sympathized fully with C.S.F.'s motion.
C.S.F. said he did this for the reason that if the executive
committee of the Board's disapproval were legal (he believed with Platt
it was not legal) there was now no lawful rate.

C.5.H.1 E, motion was

defeated.
Aye--C.S.F. and Platt.
No---Governor Crissinger, Comptroller, James and Cunningham.
Not 'Toting--Miller.
C.S.F. thenmoved as a substitute for Cunningham's motion that
consideration be postponed until after directors' meeting on Friday,
September 9.
C.S.B. pointed out that from Heath's letter it was fairly
evident that Chicago directors would reduce on Friday and that it would
be am extraordinary to take precipitate action now.
objected to any further delay.

Tames strongly

He said the reason for acting now was

that he knew that one of the Chicago directors (Mitchell) had asked




844.
Louis director (Bothme) not to reduce St. Louis rates as it would
cut down the profits of the member benks.
substitute motion was lost.
Aye--C.S.H., Miller and Platt.
No---Governor Crissinger, Tames, Comptroller and Cunningham.
Cunningham's motion was then discussed; C.S.H. said he firmly believed
the Board had the power, but that this was a very poor case in which
to exercise it; that he also believed rates should be reduced, end that
he had in mind offering a resolution that the Board would favorably entertain a commodity rate of 31 in paper secured by warehouse receipts covering readily marketable agricultural staples where the rate charged on
the original discount did not exceed 64) or some other rate to be fixed
by Board; that he felt that the underlying reason in min.ds of Board
and Open Market Committee at their meeting, when they favored a reduction of rates, was an international one--the desire of Lew York to reduce tts rates to --:-1/24, to protec- Bank of England in maintaining the
golS standard whicr might be imperiled

if the Bank of England

-ere

forced to increase its rate as it would have to IS

if rew York did not

reduce its rate, as the spread between 44 and 4-1

, (Bank of England

rate) was not enough to keep gold from going from England to United
States; that In believed this was a good reason for reduction as a
stabilized gold standard in England, helped England's purchasing power
and our exports thus benefitting agriculture.
C.S.H. also said that the Board should not put in a rate
solely for international reasons such as this, and he somewhat doubted
its power to put in a uniform rate in unless to help New York help the
English situation.




845.
C.S.H. also said that at the Open Market conference he stated
this and said he believed rates should be reduced for local reaons--a
decision to help farmers move their crops; that while they might receive
no benefit from such lower rates yet it made it possible for the banks
to give them lower rates following such reduction.
James fully agreed to this, but most of those at the conference
took the view that the farmers would get no lower rates.
C.S.H. also said the power to put in a rate should be exercised
most cautiously and only under extraordinary conditions; that it would
seem the height of absurdity to use this power now when we had every
reason to believe the Chicago directors would reduce of their own accord
on Friday, September 9--only three days distant.

Miller and Platt agreed

with C.S.B.
Platt claimed that the Board had no power to put in a rate unless in connection with a request for establishment of a rate by a
Federal Reserve Bank and that a mere statement from

9

bank--no change

of rates--was not such a request and that Board had never so considered
it as it merely "noted" such communications.
C.S.H. did not agree to this, pointing out the circulars of
1915 and 1918, still apparently in force.

He also showed that the

record in this case referred to the communication - "no change" as a
request for establishing the

rate.

Cunningham's motion was then passed:
Comptroller, James and Cunningham.

Aye - Governor Crissinger,

No. C.S.H., Miller and Platt.

Miller asked that the decision state that it was done by a
majority vote of Board.




846.

C.S.H. objected ns it was a decision of the Board, but said
he should feel at liberty to state exactly how the vote was cast to
anyone who talked with him about it—especially to Senator Glass.
agreed that this would be proper.

All

After the vote, Platt said that

Secretary Mellon would be back tomorrow and we should give him an
opportunity to be heard.

The objection was raised that the vote had

been taken and must be answered to Chicago today.

Nothing further was

said as to this.
C.S.F. did not know Secretary Mellon would be back tomorrow,
if he had he would have insisted on waiting.
We adjourned till afternoon, when a telegram was read conveying Board's decision to Chicago.

Governor Crissinger had talked

with Chicago and McDougal suggested that instead of saying the Board
had put in a rate at Chicago, we should say, for Chicago, which was
agreed to.
At the discussion C.S.H. said Governor Crissinger in his
letters to McDougal had made the issue an international and not a
local question.

Governor Crissinger denied this and his letter was

read in which he said the issue was purely international and national,
meaning by that in interest of the Treasury.

It clearly excluded all

local questions as to rates.
September 7, Wednesday
Glass Called up, had just heard of Chicago rata matter and
was furious.

Fe said he was preparing a letter of protest to Governor

Crissinger stating there was absolutely no ground for the claim that
Board had a right to put in a rate on its own volition.




I asked him

847.

to see me before he wrote such a letter and spoke of Attorney General's
opinion and his - Glass' letter to him.

He asked me to mark as a copy

of his letter anything indicating approval of such power in Board.
Fe soon came in and I read him the opinion of Elliott, acting
as Special Counsel, in which he stated that the question asked him
was whether the Board of its own initiative would put in a rate, and
which he answered squarely in affirmative.

I then called his attention

to his letter to Attorney General enclosing Elliott's opinion and saying
he agreed with every word in it and that it could have been expressed much
stronger.
This staggered Glass.

He said the reason for the opinion was

that Governor Strong wanted to put up rates in New York while he and Leffingwell felt this would injure Treasury policies and that direct action should
be used instead.

C.S.H. pointed out that this needed no opinion for Attorney

General as it was clear and undisputed that New York could not put up its
rates without consent of Board, nor change them in any way.
Glass finally said he had had a very bitter dispute with Governor
Strong and that he probably wanted to show to him that the board had
full power; that the reauest and the opinion was one growing out of war
exigincies and should not represent the law in peace times.
C.S.H. said he would hardly want to state this to the public
and he said decidedly No.

C.S.H. then said he felt this power was abso-

lutely essential but that it should be exercized only in great emergencies
and that he could not speak strongly enough in condemnation of this
partfular exercise of it; that he felt Congress should provide that it




81+8.

should only be exercised by affirmative vote of five members.

Glass said

the matter must be taken up by Congress aad that the power, assuming it to
exist should either be taken away or limited in some way, and he would give
it careful consideration.
He said that to him it was an evidence of the desire of some
members to centralize authority in the Board at Washington.
C.S.H. snid he agreed to this as to the exercise of the power in
this instPnce but not as to the power itself.
Glass said that under such a power the Board could put in one
uniform rate over entire country which Congress never intended; that the
uniform rate, as much as anything else, killed the Aldrich Bill.

C.S.H.

said there must be some limitation of the power even now but Glass said
if the Board had it, it was unlimited; that the Board could put in rates
so as to draw all of the money of the country into New York or vice versa.
C.S.H. said the power was subject to abuse and he would agree
to Pny reasonable limitation of it.
C.S.H. put this case:

suppose all the banks but one had a 31,

rate, but that e.g. Chicago kept in a 54 rate, clearly too high and
obstinately refused to lower it; or that all the banks kept in an absurdly
high rate and refused to change.

If the Board has no power to put in

proper rate then the public interest must suffer.

Glass said this

was an extreme case but C.S.H. said you must test the matter by extremes.
This seemed to puzzle Glass who said in any event Congress
never intended to grant such a power.
C.S.H. agreed

that Congress never had such a thing in mind but

that this would not prevent a court from deciding that in fact such
power had been granted.




814.9.

Finally Glass said that his action in approving Elliott's
opinion showed the futility of doing a bad thing for good purposes.
C.S.H. finally said - well, we are in a fix and you must help us get out
of it

Glass replied - I agree to tIvIt, but it is I who am in the fix!
FRrly in the morning C.S.H. told Ogden Mills about the action

of the Board.

He was very indignant.

September 9, Frila
Governor Strong lunched with C.S.H. at Cosmos Club.

He said

he called Governor Crissinger up Tuesday A.M. and he said the Board would
put in a 3-1/2% rate that morning; that he begged him not to do i; that
he was to meet Secretary Mellon in the A.M. and would take with him about
it; that he

Saw

Secretary Mellon who was very much surprised and suggested

to him to call up Governor Crissinger and say he would like to be heard on
tomorrow
this/morning when he would be in Washington; that he called up Governor
Crissinger about noon

and found that the vote had already been taken.

Governor Crissinger never mentioned this to the Board but after the vote
was taken, when Platt said Secretary Mellon would be in Washington soon,
he merely said he would be in Washington the next morning.

If he had told

us before the vote Platt and I would have insisted on waiting for the
Secretary's return.
C.S.H. is satisfied that Governor Crissinger knowing that the
Secretary would be adverse, concealed from the Board the fact that the
Secretary would be back the next morning, and that he was disloyal to
Secretary Mellon and the Board in keeping this back.
September 10
C.S.H. reads in Boston Her21d a telegram to Baltimore Sun
attacking the Board's action.




He first said the power was limited

850.

to extraordinary emergencies, but later denied the power at all
except where a bank has filed an application for a new rate.
G.S.H. cannot conceive how Glass can take this latter position after his correspondence with the Attorney General!
C.S.H. called up Miss Laning who said there was a letter from
Glass which she would forward.
September 12
Glass' letter came enclosing interview given to Baltimore
Sun.

In it Glass rather assumes that Board had right to follow

opinion of Attorney General and that so far as this case was concerned
it had the technical legal right to act, but Glass said Board should
act only in grave emergencies and that this was not one, and that
this action satisfied him that the Wall Street Journal article was
correct and that a majority of Board were trying to arrogate to
themselves the functions of e central bank.

At last Glass is on

strong ground.
September 1C, Thursday
Platt said Board met yesterday but not a word was said about
the rate case, but that a newspaper reporter had told him there was a rumor
that Governor Crissinger was to resign today.
5 P.M. Eddy came in and said Secretary Mellon had offi2ially
announced Governor Crissingerfs resignation to take effect tomorrow.
Platt and I went in to Governor Orissingerts office but he
was busy with newspmper men.

Later Governor Crissinger came into my

office and said he had resigned; that he had been contemplating this
-Por some time as he was to enter an investment company - Smith & Co.
in Washington.




P.ta.

C.S.H. asked him if Sec—etnry Mellon would have voted against
the putting in of the rate.

he did not answer uneeuivocally but said

Mellon said if he had been there, he could have fixed matters up.
Be also referred to Governor Strongts calling him up Tuesday
A.M. just as Governor Strong told C.S.E., and he said later Governor
Strong reported to him his talk with Mellor but he told Governor Strong
the Board had already decided it.
C.S.E. believes that Mellon must have called for his resignation
and that he ought to have done so, for Governor Crissinger was clearly
disloyal in concealing from the Board the fact of Governor Strongts
message and then telling Governor Strong the Board had already acted.
As a fact the telegram announcing Board's decision was not sent until
after we adjuourned from morning session.
The Federal Advisory Council has been meeting all day by
themselves at the Mayflower.
At 7:30 we dined with the council at Mayflower.
Mellon was there.
resignation.

Secretary

Governor Crissinger did not come because of his

The Comptroller had accepted and n seat was kept for him,

but he did not appear.
Nothing was said at the dinner publicly but Heard who sat
by C.S.A. said he thought the Council, especially in view of Governor
Crissingerts resignation, would soft pedal the matter for fear of
injury to the System, although they were unanimous in feeling that it
was an arbitrary, unjustifiable act, especially in view of Heath's
letter.




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After dinner I had a short talk with Mellon.

H3

said it was

incomprehensible to him how the majority could have acted so foolishly
and asked me what their reason was.

C.S.H. said anger and vindictiveness

because of the Wall StreetJournal article saying the Board had asked
Chicago to reduce but that the directors would positively decline; that
in a telegram sent Heath about this statement, Governor Crissinger stated
that 3 of

Board wished to put in a 3-1/2% rate at once.

C.S.H. said that Heath denied that the statement was inspired
by the Federal Reserve Bank or any of its directors, and yet this
telegram was sent in spite of Heath's denial; that the desire to
punish someone was thus clearly given on the record; that it could
have
not/been the desire to put in the rate as Heath's letter clearly showed
that the directors would do this voluntarily on Friday--only three days
away.
Mellon confirmed all that Governor Strong said about his talk
with Governor Strong and his request that Strong tell Governor Crissinger
to hold

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matter until the next day when he would be in Washington.

He

added that while he could have come down on Tuesday he had several
engagemenWand he felt, from his experience with the Board that one day's
delay would mean nothing.
He told C.S.H. he had asked Wyatt to prepare a letter asking
opinion of Attorney General as he had been requested to do by Chicago,
but had not yet sent it.
C.S.H. said that if Attorney General reversed Attorney General
King's opinion, it might draw the matter into politics Thich would injure the System; that to avoid this he thought (C.S.H.) it would help
if Glass were to write him asking him to get this opinion.




He said he

853.

could hardly ask Glass to do this ris he was not connected with the
System.

C.5.H. said, unless Mellon objected, he intended to ask

Glass to do this, but that of course, he acted as his own responsibility
and that Mellon would have nothing to do with it and have no knowledge
about it, until at least such a letter came to him.
C.S.H. suggested that he hold up his letter for a day or two
and he said he would.

C.S.H. told him he did not believe the Attorney

General would reverse King and Mellon agreed, saying he thought the
7oard had the power and ought to have, but that it should be used only
in extraordinary emergendies, which this case clearly was not.
C.S.H. Also said he should offer a by-law that

hereafter five

affirmative votes should be reauired to overrule a rate established by
a Federal Reserve Bank and this seemed to please Mellon.
C.S.H. said Governor Harding's letter should also be sent
to Attorney General and that he would send him a copy.
C.S.F. also explained Glass' position.
C.S.H. said he was satisfied that Governor Strong's statement
to Glass that a Federal Reserve Bank had a right to put in a rate
wholly apart from the Board meant that Governor Strong had in mind just
what Governor Harding gave as the proper construction of the statute
and that Glass and Leffinwell wanted to show Governor Strong that the
Board had the power to do anything it pleased as to a rate.
C.S.F. also explained the fight between Leffingwell, Glass
and Gov,arnor Strong and Leffingwell's charges that Governor Strong
promised the Bunk of England to put up rates and when he found he




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could not make good he insisted on putting in a higher rate on a
certain issue of Treasury certificates then the certificates were to
carry, intending thereby to wreck the Treasury policies out of vindictiveness and revenge.
September 16_1 Friday
Met with Federal Advisory Council at 10 A.M.
For nearly an hour

we discussed the Chicago rate question.

Cunningham and James were literally "put on the rack" by the Council.
They were asked to explain just what emergency there was which would
not admit of waiting from Tuesday to Friday.
unsatisfactory and almost grotesque.

Their replies were very

Heath's letter to Governor Cris-

singer was read and C.S.H. said his two motions were based on this
letter.
Dr. Miller said that, although he did not believe the order
should have been issued at that time and so voted, if the Chicago
directors at meeting of Friday, September 9 had again refused

to

reduce, he would have voted to put in the rate had such a motion been
offered.
This amazes C.S.H. for Millwwas opposed to any rate reduction and when he went West he stopped at Chicago, Minneapolis and
San Francisco--all of which refused to reduce rates.

From various

sources word came to us that Miller strongly opposed reduction in
talks with bankers.
After the discussion the Board withdrew and an hour later
the Council asked us to come in.

Whereupon, Mr. Wetmore read a

resolution condemning the Board, but in temperate language, for putting




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in the rate.

Wetmore said this was a resolution not to be put in general

files of Board and not to be published.
Early this morning, before council meeting, C.S.H. called up
Glass nt Lynchburg and said he was going to write Mellon and approve
the suggestion made to him by Chicago bankers, with the Federal Reserve
Bnnk that Attorney General be asked to review the matter.

C.S.H. Asked

Glass if Ile would authorize him to sny to Mellon th-t he would like to have
this done.

Glass said he saw no objection and authorized C.S.H. to say to

Mellon that he aroproved the suggestion.
C.S.H. accordingly wrote Mellon and suggested sending to
Attorney General the memorandum of Governor Harding which he attached
to the letter.

He also told Mellon he would get the opinion of john G.

Johnson from Harrison and that that also should be attached.
C.S.H. then called up Harrison who said there was also an
opinion from White and Case given to the hew York directors; that he
wraild get authority from Governor Strong to give these to Secretary
Mellon to send to Attorney Generel.
Later Harrison called up to say Governor Strong consented to
this and that Alexander of the Council had with him both the johnson
and White and Case opinions and asked C.S.H. to tell Alexander to give
them to him for Secretary Mellon.

Alexander said he would get them

and give them to C.S.H. in the afternoon.
About 2:30 P.M. C.S.H. had talk with Secretary Mellon and
told him what had happened.

Alexander came in while he was with

Secretary and gave him the opinions and C.S.H. gave them to Mellon.
He told Mellon the usual method wns to have Wyatt prepare a letter
and attach the opinions.




He explained to Mellon as to Glass 3nd said

856.

that the reason was that if a Republican Attorney General should
overrule a Democratic Attorney

General the matter would become poli-

tical, but Mellon could now say that two Democrats--Glass and C.S.H.
h,d asked him to do it.

Mellon said he sew the point and seemed much

pleased.
Secretary Mellon then told C.S.F. that he had two names in
mind for the vacancy--Governor Young of Minneapolis Federal Reserve
Bank and Decker of Minneapolis.
the new appointee as Governor.

He also said he wanted to designate
C.S.H. said Decker was a splendid man

and fit to come in as Governor, that Young also was first class but
he was not sure as to his fitness for Governor.
C.S.F. then urged Mellon to designate Platt as Governor
that his term expired next anyhow and that it would be a graceful thing
to do.

Mellon said if we do that he would expect to be continued as

Governor on reappointment.

C.S.F. said no and cited his own case.

Mellon said he feared he would feel it if not redesignated or reappointed.
C.S.F. said if Young were appointed Platt could be designated for balance
of the term and, then Young could be designated.
Mellon said perhaps Young would not take it unless at once
designated.

C.S.F. explained that Young had ideas as to noncash items

which had brought him into antagonism with the other Governors.
C.S.F. then suggested that Mellon ask Alexander about both.
C.S.H. asked if there

WRS

no Pittsburg man and Mellon said

none who would take it.




Mellor agreed with C.S.F. that the new man should be a banker.

857.

C.S.R. then went to his room

and later MelLon osked him

to send in Alexander which C.S.H. did.
Later Alexander came into C.3.H.'s room and we had a good
talk on the rate case.

C.S.R. asked Alexander to find out from Governor

Strong the exact time last Tuesday when he called up Governor Crissinger
after his talk with Secretary Mellon.
About 5:30 Glass called up and wanted a copy of Board's
eulogistic statement as to McGarrah which C.S.R sent him.

He thought

it contained a direct statement that the Board wished to centralize
authority but C.S.H. said No--that the Wall Street Journal and other
papers simply so construed it.
Glass asked as to the Council and C.S.F. said it had passed
a resolution condemning the Board but would not publish it.

Glass was

infuriated and said it ought to be published.
C.S.H. later—about

6 P.m.--wrote Glass that he must regard

his statement as to Council as absolutely confidential.
About 10:30 P.M. Platt called up saying Glass had just called
him up and was very angry because Council would not publish the resolution
and said he would write Wetmore.

He said of course he would regard

the knowledge of what Council had said as confidential; said also he
would write President urging that only a man of highest calibre should
be appointed; that the men who voted to put in the rate should be at
once removed, etc., etc.
Platt asked C.S.H. to send Glass Wetmore's address but
C.S.H. gave it to Platt to send Glass.




858.

C.S.H. fels Governcr Crissinger was cowardly in leaving-assuming he

not kicked out--as he did lenving Cunningham and Temes

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to defend the nction alone, for Governor Crissinger wes the ring leader
who put the thing through and the others were mere satellites.
September 17

Saturdny

Gless called me up from Lynchburg Rnd asked about Wall Street
Journal article.

I told him each member had denied inspiring it or

knowing of it but asked him to nsk Sargent of Associated Press who
wrote it and might reveal source of his informetion.

He said he would.

He asked for address of Mr. Wetmore, President of Counc

Si. said he

would write him demending thnt the procealings of the council yesterday
I; made public.

He also said he would write President Coolidge and

advise removel of Comptroller, James end Cunningham.
September 19, Monday
Spent two hours with Governor Harding and Curtiss at Federal
Reserve Bank.

Curtiss said he had heard a rumor tbat Dr. Miller was

responsible for the statements in the Chicago paper which caused the
majority of the Board to initiRte the Chicego 3-1/2e- rnte.
Re(!eived letter from 1;3ddy steting that the telegram to
Chicago bank putting in the 3-1

rRte was filed with our telegraph

office at 12:23 P.M. Pew York time 1:23) and put in Chicago wire
at 12:44 P.M.

(New York time

September 20, Tuesday
Governor Strong called me up from New York and said that
his telephone message to Governor Crissinger stating Secretary Mellon
wanted the matter held up pending his arrival in Washington the next
morning, wednesday, was delivered by him to Governor Crissinger before
12:2? (New York 1:23) when the telegram of Board was sent.



8S9.

Governor Crissinger never mentioned above conversation to Board.
This seems to prove that Governor Crissinger thnt Covornor Criooinger
deliberately withheld this information from the Board in ordiar to
jam through the Chicago rate, and that he was disloyal both to the
Secretary of Treasury and to the Board.
September 21, Wednesday
Platt called up 1 P.M. and said rumor was that Governor
Young of

Minneapolis had been appointed to Federal Reserve Board

and had accepted.

Said Comptroller also told him of this.

C.S.H. when he talked with Secretary Mellon on Friday
told him Governor Young had been at odds with other Governors over
noncash collections and advised him not to designate him as Governor
at once but to give him the opportunity of making good and meantime
to designate. Platt as Governor for balance of his term.
Governor Harding in letters to Governor Crissinger, Platt
and Norris has suggested a construction of word "established" which
appeals to me and which I hope that Secretary Mellon will send to
Attorney General when he asks for his opinion.

(See Scrap Book).

September 26, Monday
Ogden Mills told me he was satisfied that Governor Crissinger
had been disloyal in the Chicago rate case both to Secretary Mellon
and to Board; that Governor Crissinger in first telephone message from
Strong that be was going to see Secretary Mellon should have been
reported to Board; that the second telephone message conveying Secretary Mellon's request for postponement should also have been reported.




860.

Mills said he was satisfied that if his opinion were asked
the Attorney General would sustain Acting Attorney General King's
opinion of 1919 and this would be ambarassing as it would tend to
stiffen up the majotity in future attempts.
Mills said Governor Strong had suggested a by-law of Board
providing for five affirmative votes in cases of change in rates on
Board's initiative.
C.S.H. told Mills that he--C.S.E.--origineted this, stating
to Federal Advisory Council he would move such a by-law in Board.
Mills said Secretary Mellon had taken this up with the
Chicago Bank and that they all said that if such a by-law were
adopted they would withdraw their request for our opinion from Attorney
General, but would advise the Secretary definitely on Friday.
Mills and C.SH. agreed that C. S. H. should offer an amendment
to Regulation as above, and Mills said Secretary Mellon would like to
have Baker's opinion as to legality of such F. regulation or by-law.
Platt told

me today he distinctly recollected that Governor

Crissinger was called out of meeting by a New York telephone call
before the Board finally sent the Chicago telegram.

This convicts

Governor Crissinger of disloyalty.
September 27, Tuesday
Board met at 11:30.

Present Secretary Mellon, Platt, C.S.H.,

James and
C.S.H. gave notice of a formal motion for a new by-law requiring vote of five members for the initiation of rates, and read it.




86a.

C.S.H. then said Wyatt told him the other day he felt the
Board had authority to do this but that this A.M. he came in and
referred to an old opimion of Council's office to effect that the
Board had no power to require any certain number of affirmative
votes.
C.S.H. then moved that opinion of Baker be procured.
Imes objected, said he felt himself bound by Wyattts
opinion until reversed by Attorney General or courts.
Miller said we might unanimously agree on such a by-law,
without any further opinions.
Tomes said there would never be such a unanimous agreement-meaning that he would object.
Tames intimated he might agree to asking Baker's opinion
I!rovided it was agreed that later the opinion of Attorney General
be asked for.

C.S.H. said he doubted Wyatt's opinion and Secretary

Mellon ngreed with C.S.H.
Miller had a lonR discussion with Secretary Mellon.

Miller

did not seem to object to five affirmative votes when the Board initiated
a rate when nothing was before it from a Federal Reserve Bank, but he did
not agree that five votes be required when a Bank submitted a rate and
Board wished to put in a different rate.




C.S.H. said his By-Law would provide:
Initiation of rate - five affirmative votes.
Rate presented by Federal Reserve Bank.
Approval or diapproval.

Majority vote.

Change in suggested rate.

Five affirmative votes.

862.

James then said the members could enter into a gentlemen's
agreement covering C.S.H.'s By-Law, and there was long discussion.
Finally it

Was

agreed

that C.S.H. draw up a form of such agreement

or understanding to be submitted at the meeting next week when Governor
Young qualifies.
The action of James in refusing to permit a unanimous vote
for C.S.F.IS by-law seems to C.S.H. to kill the matter.

For, assuming

the Board could pass such a by-law by unanimous vote, it would seem
clsnr it could not do so lawfully by a full majority tote.
C.S.F. ,ncplained situation to Wyatt who drew, up a form of
e

gentlmen's agreement, which C.F.F. does not like.

Wyatt in sub-

mitting it wrote--September 29--that he seriously doubted the advisability
of such an agreement and strongly urged a request to Congress to amend
the law along lines of C.S.H.'s by-law.
September 29, Thursday
Drew copy of a "gentlemen's agreement" as to initiation of rates
by Board and sent it to Secretary Mellon for consideration.
In afternoon the Governor of National Bank of Belgium called
at Platt's office and Miller and I went in to see him for

few minutes.

September ';0, Friday
Drew up a gentlemen's agreement on rate case yesterday and
sent it to Secretary Mellon.

He asked me to come this P.M. and said

he thought it in good shape, the only suggestion being to strike out
the phrase--"pending the determination of the matter"--as that rather
looked as if "'41 were surely going to ask an opinion of Attorney General
or go to Congress.




863.

October 1
Governor Frank told C.S.H. at Millers that while he could
not spy it

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a fixed custom to charge . commissions for credits such

as were given Belgians for stabilization, yet Belgium was very willing ,
to pay the Commission.
October 2, Sunday
Did not go to Mattapoisett because of visit of Governor
French of Bank of Belgium.
October 2
= 2 Monday
Talked with Secretary Mellon about meeting tomorrow and
gentlemen's agreement.
October 4
)Tuesday
Governor Young arrived and was sworn in at 10:30 afterwards
our photos were taken.
The Comptroller urged Governor Young not to have the gentlemen's
agrePment brought up today as he said T9mes was inclined to be ugly.
Governor Young thought it might be as well to hold it up for a few
days.

C.S.F. went to Secretary Mellor. before the meeting and said he

would agree to this if Secretary Mellon did.

No meeting.

[ITh1.i,?IT
ednesday
At the meeting, et which every member was present, Secretary
Mellon asked about the gentlemen's agreement and C.S.B. said it was
agreed at last meeting that he should prepare a draft but that he would
like to have




the matter go over for a few days.

864.

C.S.F. is satisfied the Comptroller will do all he can ,:to
stave off any new by-law or any gentlemen's agreement as either would
reflect upon himself as he voted to put in the Chicago rate.
Although C.S.H. feels the Board now has a majority opposed
to precipitate initiation of rates, yet he feels if the Board takes
no positive action the matter would surely come up in Congress.
October 4, Tuesday
Glass called.

He now hopes the matter will blow over

so far as Congress is concerned and thinks it will only if 1. The Federal
Advisory Council publishes its resolution condemning Board's action.
2. The Federal Reserve Board pass a by-law or a vote as to five or better
six affirmative votes, and also publish this.
Delano came up in evening and I talked over the Chicago rate
matter confidentially with him as a Government Director of Richmond bank.
He intimated that Richmondmight soon try to increase its discount rates
as it was not earning its expenses.
October 10, Monday
Governor Young said Cunningham and Tames would not agree to
any by-law or even understanding as to the initiation of rates, as they
were getting support from agriculture papers in West and Northwest.
He said to let the matter rest awhile and he would see if he could not
persuade them.

C.S.H. said only reason he wanted an agreement with

understnding was to keep the matter out of Congress.

Governor Young

went into Secretary Mellon's office and came back saying the Secretary
thought we ought to let the matter rest awhile.




865.

Governor Young said the Comptroller told him he did not know
Secretary Mellon was coming back next day or he would never have voted
to put in the rate. As C.S.H.

remembers the Comptroller was not in the

room when Platt spoke of the Secretary.

Governor Young said he had

suggested a by-lew to Cunningham that before putting in e rate the Board
would give ten days' notice to Federal Reserve Bank and have a hearing.
He said Cunningham seemed to approve this.
October 11, Tuesday
Federal Reserve Agent Newton and Mr. Robinson of Pacific Southwest
Title and Trust Co. (now a merged national bank) came before Board.

Mr.

Robinson outlined his plans showing how he had raised millions of new
capital.

Be explained why he still kept on rolls of bank, Hervey and other

Indicted men and added that Hervey was one of the most prominent Masons
in the State.
their actions.

He said wholly apart from the indictment he did not defend
This Board took up matter alone.

Sometime ago the Board

gave discretion to Federal Reserve Agent Newton as to the exact time when
he should notify the U. S. District Attorney of the apparent violations
of law.
C.S.H. at first felt the District Attorney should be notified
at once.
The Comptroller pointed out that the man were now under State
indictment and if new Federal indictments for practically same officers
were procured it would bring matter into public notice again and surely
injure the new national bank.




866.
October 12, Wednesday
Board finally voted to leave Pacific Southwest matter in
Newton's hands just. as now - he is directed to report the facts to
U. S. District Attorney but he is given discretion as to when to
report.
C.S.H. Said he voted for this on understanding and promise
of Nawton - given to Board yesterday that he would see to it that his
report would be made before Statute of Limitetions could run.
C.S.H. feels it better to take above course as otherwise
the new national bank would be severely injured if the matter were
brouelt again to public notice through Newton's report.
,
C.S.H. feels Robinson should instantly discuss Hervey and
the other indicted officers, for although they may not be found guilty,
yet their conduct as to loons, etc. was such as to warrant their dismissal.

Both Newton and Robinson st'ited this to Board.
C.S.H. feels Robinson made a weak appearance and C.S.F. has

a feeling that he does not dare to remove these men--as they have some
hold on him.

How Robinson could leave his bank to go to Geneva Economic

Conference passes C.S.H.'s comprehenson.
Governor Young said Governor Strong said he had just had a
talk with Senator Glass and hed showed him a memorandum as to the
Chicago loan which Alexander had O.K.'d and that all differences between
them hed been adjusted.
C.S.F. believes it must have referred to the controversy of
1919 as he does not know of any controversy regarding Chicago rate case.




867.

October 1:?
Board took up regulations, which forbade F.R. Banks to buy .
secured bills where warehoused grain was owned by owner of elevator.
In spite of Governor Young's arguments the Board adhered to its original decision and Governor Young withdrew his objection.

James said

we could not give this privilege without opening up all warehouses in
country not only for grain but, as well for cotton and all other staple
products.
Board heard Mr. Yengle who asked more liberal interpretation
of acceptance regulations so as not to bar renewal: acceptances.
we were losing much business by our strictness.

He said

C.S.H. pointed out that

th.. Acceptance Bulletin said we were doing wonderfully and that we were
securing much business formerly .financed in London through our lower
Federal Reserve discount rate.
Hengle also complained of the British ctuting commissions on
acceptances and C.S.H. quoted London Financial hews which quoted from
Acceptance Bulletin to effect that American Banks started this practice.
October 12, Thursday
Governor StronF called up Governor Young at

5 P.M.; said

Dutch bank wanted to increase its rate and asked whether it should
go up 1/2 of 1% or 11; that it had asked a credit of 10 millions which
his Board wished to grant.
Federal Reserve Board voted to approve, Cunningham alone
voting no.




868.
October 21, Friday
Telegram from Newton - Cuban Government had decreed that
Federal Reserve BanY of Atlanta, Cuban Agency, must, within ten days,
pay the Cuban tax on excess of exports over imports of currency.

It

was originally agreed that this tax did not apply to Cuban —gency but
now the Government has shifted its ground.
This tax will be over $50,000 for 1925 and more for 1926.
The Cuban Agency is making from 20 to 25,000 dollars a year,
but deducting cost of printing Federal Reserve Notes - about $20,000 will leave the Agency breaking about even.
Governor Young had gone away for the afternoon.
to see Secretary Mellon.

I went in

He said he did not see haw we could continue

the agency if we had to pay this tax.
I told him that giving notice of discontinuance would instantly.
be followed by another run on the three American Banks there, and would
break Cuba financially.
Secretary Mellon said he would take it up with the State
Department.
C.S.H. thought the American banks there could get the decree
reversed but Secretary Mellon doubted whether they had any such influence.
He said the Cuban Government had sold sugar which belonged to the banks.
C.S.H. called up Assistant Secretary White of State Department
and told him the facts.

He said he would get in touch with National

City Bank.
Secretary Mellon said a new Ambassador would be appointed
within a few days.




869.

Before leaving Washington C.S.H. wrote Secretary Mellon
and Tames a letter saying that in my opinion we should direct the
Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta to pay the tax under protest and
take an appeal which would give us time to think over our future
course.
October 22, Satirday
Called up Governor Harding and told him in confidence of
the Cuban matters and suggested that he tell Wing as his bank had a
branch in Cube.
Governor Harding thought we should at once close the Agency
but I pointed out the difficulties.
October 262 Wednesday
Went up to Boston.

Attended meeting of directors,

Federal

Reserve Bank of Boston with Governor Young.
Governor Young said President of Cuba had extended for thirty
days the time within which to pay export tax in currency - Cuban Agency.
November 1, Tuesday
Tames moved to have an official stenographer -;.t every meeting
of Board with Federal Advisory Council and Open Market Committee.
C.S.H. moved in substitution that an abstract of all action
be made for the Records.
Dr. Miller for one-half hour's time attacked our records as
having been

wretchedly

kept and then he opposed C.S.H.Is substitute

motion on the ground that the records now showed all action.
C.S.F. then withdrew his substitute motion expressly for
reason that Miller said present records were well kept.




Aye--Dr. Miller, Tames & Cunningham.
Lost.
and C.S.H.

No--Governor Young, Platt

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November 2, Wednesday
Board m t with ODen Market Committee which presented a report
to Chairman of Committee and recommendations of Committee as to Open
Market policy until March 1, 1928 were presented by Governor Strong.
Secretary Mellon presided and the recommendation was gone into in great
detail.

The policies laid down were (a) to maintain stable rates for

money at about present levels and (b) to prevent further imports of
gold.
The following programme was suggested in the recommendation
to bring ?bout 1 and 2;




1.

Plan of offsetting gold movements by purchase and sales of
securities to continue.

2.

Any considerable advance in rates for money towards end of
year to be dealt with, if necessary, by temporary purchase
of securities.

q.

Dhring return flow of currency in

sales of securities

should be made to retire the seasonal issue and prevent its
being added to member bank reserves.

4. In event of renewal of gold imports,
(a) Gold may be purchased in London, Holland and Switzerland, or
(b) Exchange on those countries may be purchased.

Limit on such

purchases to be offset same as gold movement.
(c) Gold with exchange purchased may be invested in bills or
employed at interest, as in case of Bank of England account.

5.

Considerations which will guide Committee as to when and for
what amounts such transactions shall be made are-(a) Amount of borrowing for Federal Reserve Banks by member bank;
(b) General level of interest rates;

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(c) Movement of foreign exchange rates as an indication
of possible gold imports.
The committee would expect to be charged with the execution
of the program for accoUnt of those Reserve Banks which approve and
participate.
C.S.H. finally moved the Board approve the Open Market policy
recommended by Committee as per memorandum of November 1.
Miller then proposed two amendments as a substitution.
1.

Any use made of gold or exchange under four shall be subject
to special authorization from the Board in each case.

2.

Any purchases or sales of securities from Open Market investment account under two and three of committee's recommendation
shall be made in consultation with Governor of the Federal
Reserve

Board.

Miller's first motion was lost.
sibly Cunningham.

Aye--Miller, Platt and pos-

No--Secretary Mellon, Governor Young, C.S.H. and Tames.

Miller then withdrew his second motion.

C.S.H's motion of ap-

proval was put to vote and adopted without a dissenting vote.

1\,o roll

call was celled for.
Eddy tells C.S.H. Cuban Ambassador called on Secretary Kellogg
and said Cuban President authorized him to say the tax on currency exports
would be waived.
November 4, Friday
Dinner t Metropolitan Club given to Board by Federal Reserve
Agent and Governors.
Secretary Mellon, Perrin (formerly Federal Reserve Agent)
Eugene Meyer, et als, present.




872.

Speakers:

Oates McGarrah; Federal Reserve Agent Walsh;

Governor Talley; Governor Bailey, Perrin, Meyer, and C.S.H.
November 11, Friday
Attended stockholders meeting of Federal Reserve Bank of
Boston.

Ogden Mills delivered an address on taxation reduction and

C.S.H. was called upon for a short address.
November 15, Tuesday
Board discussed question of reappointing and redisignating
Federal Reserve Agents.

Comptroller and Cunningham said the Chicago

directors wanted Heath reappointed, Reynolds saying he could get his
resignation any time the Board might want it.
C.S.H. said two Questions:

One, Reappointment of Heath and

Martin whose terms would expire December 31; and two, Redesignation
of Curtiss, Hoxton, et als whose term as Class C director will not
expire.
C.S.H. said designating for one year as Federal Reserve
Agent was a mistake even if legal.

Failure to redesignate would not

affect the three year term as director.

C.S.H. said failure to

redesignate would force Board to remove the man from his Class C
directorship, and such removal would not be for "cause" under the Act.
C.S.H. said the Federal Reserve Agent is the only banker appointed
as Class C director and a banker must be appointed as the law calls
for tested banking experience; that bankers have the Class A directors,
and business men and Agticultural Class B, and Class C represent the
public interest; that if the Federal Reserve Agent is not redesignated
there is no other banker in Class C directors to take his place, therefore, he would have to be removed.




873.

Miller said there is a vacancy each year and Board could
appoint to that vacancy the man it wished to make Federal Reserve
Agent, leaving the former Faderal Reserve Agent as a Clnss C director
for balance of his term.
C.S.H. replied that in that case the bankers would have the
Class A directors and two of the Class C directors which would not be
within the spirit of the Act.
The meeting was called for discussion early.

hothing was

done and meeting adjourned.
November 18, Friday
Federal Advisory Council meeting.
Council gave us copy of resolution passed at last meeting
condemning action of Board - Chicago rate case.
November

17, Thursday
Dined with Delano.

Class C director.
Pecember

He agreed to accept reappointment as

Richmond bank.

6, Tuesday
Board took up Regulntion H State banks.

C.S.H. moved to put

in Regulntion only statement that Board will impose regulations pursuant
to Act.

Failed.

Aye--Governor Young, Platt, C.S.H.

No--Miller, Tames,

and Cunningham.
Board then took up specific regulations.
of assets on motion of Platt was greatly modified.

The one es to change
The one forbidding

purchase by State bank of stock in another company without consent of
Board was finally passed, as modified by Platt, C.S.E. vating No for
,tanks relinquishing
wnnt of power in Board. Tile clause as to Strite '
all branches established after date of McFadden bill as a condition




874.

of entrance into System was left as it was as it does not specifically
refer to foreign branches.

Wyatt in opinion on application of Old

Colony Trust Company ruled that it could not establish a foreign bretnch
and remain in System.

Miller objected to this as did also Platt and

C.S.H. and it was practically agreed to ask opinion of Attorney General
but not to rule agreement Old Colony Trust Company until, at least,
the Attorney General told us we must.
McGarrah wrote Board earnestly asking that Board reverse
its vote and permit bank to continue to employ Snyder.

On motion of

C.S.F. Board voted to areconsider and approve Synder's continuance.
Miller, only, voted No.
James joined C.S.H. in reporting that Hoxton should be redesignated
as Federal Reserve Agent of Richmond Bank.
C.S.H. joined James in reporting in favor of appointing Harris
in place of Hopkins as Class C director, Atlanta.

Ttemendous pressure

has been brought for Hopkins and he himself came down and begged to be
reappointed.

This fact alone shows he is not the men for the job.

Among others, Clark Howell of ATlanta

telephoned.

December 8, Thursday
Board took up appointment of Class C directors and Federal Reserve
Agent Martin and Heath and redesignation of those whose terms had not
expired.

All were passed on unanimously except that Miller asked to be

recorded as not voting and said he would file a memorandum giving his
reasons for not voting later.
December

9, Friday
At Charlotte, North Carolina, at opening of Federal Reserve

Branch, Delano and I went on together.




Mr. Graham, a director of

875.

Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond and also the Baltimore director Mr.
Krilman (?) were

in the train.

We arrived at 8:40 and went to the

Charlotte hotel at 10 A.M. we went to the bank and attended first
meeting of directors of the Branch followed by a meeting of the Richmond
Board held there instead of at Richmond.

This lasted until 1:15.

1:30 the clealdhg house gave us a lunch at the hotel.

At

About 50 were

present and C.S.H. delivered an address.
Mr. Lassister told me Mr. Harris' appointment as Class C
director of the Atlanta bank in place of Hopkins whose term expired
December 31, was a splendid one—that he was a far better man than
Hopkins.
December 10, Saturday
Told James whet Lassiter said about Harris.

James said Barris

was a Republican in National politics.
H. Parker Willis called.
Be said he knew, from reliable information, that President
Coolidge had came to the conclusion that Governor Crissinger should go
off the Federal Rlserve Board, and had asked Reynolds of the Commertial
National Bank,--very close to the Smith Co.--to arrange for Governor
Crissingerts speedy appointment and retirement from the Board!
Be also said that one of the Governors of the Federal Reserve
banks told him that Secretary Mellon had written him asking him to
appoint more Republicans on the bank staff; that this Governor bitterly
resented this and later called on Mellon and told him his bank
never inquired into the political affiliations of its appointees, whereupon Mellon told him to forget the letter was ever written!




876.

He also complained bitterly at President Coolidge's reference
to a desire for low discount rates in the 1924 campaign and Secretary
Mellon's frequent interviews as to discount rates.

He also complained

of Secretary Mellon's statement that •3overnor Young's appointment would
have no effect on Federal Reserve discount policy.
He cited these as evidence of Federal Reserve domination by the
Treasury.
C.S.H. laughed at him and said President Co lidge never, directly
or indirectly, had sought to influence Board policies; that Secretary
Mellon's ,statement ps to Governor Young did not mean, as he said he feared,
that Governor Young had come into the Board pledged as to any discount
policy.
C.S.H. further added that Secretary Mellon had not tried in
any way to dominate the Board, and that the Board never was as independent
of Treasury control as now—that it had never been controlled by the Treasury
except during the War, the Treasury by fixing rates on Government securities
necessarily forced the Board to put in correspondingly low rates on notes
secured by Governments.
Willis also said Warburg soon
written for him to prove his authorship

Was

to publish a book, largely

of the Fedefal Reserve Act

and incilentally attacking Glass and himself.

He also said

Warburg

had sent one of his acceptance bank employees, a son of Governor Strong,
to the agency of the Philadelphia National Bank in New York to get facts
discreditable to him (Willis) in his management of the bank but he feared
thatell of the things complained were either opposed by Willis or done
after he left the bank; that Warburg when in San Francisco made similar
inquiries of Mr. Wilson, President of a San Francisco bank who had been
in the Philadelphia National Bank, and got similar answers, and that he



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had consequently omitted his chapter on the Philadelphia National Bank.
I asked him about Morowitz's claim for priority in recommending
regional reserve banks.

He said this idea was based on the local clearing

house committee's and that Fowler was entitled to much more credit that
Morowitz and had been given such credit by himself; that Marowitz Was asked
to appear before the Committee but had rather surlily declined on the
ground of pressure of business.
December 14, Wednesday
Board settled all salary adjustments of Federal Reserve Banks
in about twenty minutes--record time.
January

6,

-

1928, Friday

1928 -

Governor Young comes up to our room - he has taken a room at the
Lee House temporarily.

He said the President in the morning had given out

a statement as to the stock speculation situation in New York, stating thr,t
he had inquired at the Treasury and was satisfied there was nothing alarming
in the situation; that Secretary Mellon told him he could not remember any
talk with the President on this matter.

Governor Young fears that when this

is published tomorrow it will cause another wave of speculation.
January

9,

Monday

Goldenweiser addressed Board on Brokers Loans and New York
stock speculation.

Said it was grave but was not interfering with agri-

culture or commerce.

Secretary Mellon asked if much of the brokers

loans did not cover securities which promoters could not place.
weiser said undoubtedly but could not tell how much.

Golden-

Goldenweiser said--

no speculation in commodities.
The Board had decided to go to New
Market




ork for a meeting of Open

Committee and New lork directors Friday.

878.

McGarrah called up and said there was dynamite in the situation
Or

and intimated Board had better not go to New York/it might precipitate
matters.

Finally, in view of President's message and McGarrah's feeling

it was 2greed that McGarrah, Wooley and Reyburn should come down Wednesday
and Open Market meeting in Washington Thursday.
January 10, Tuesday
Governor Young told C.S.H. a reporter told him there was a rumor
that the New York Stock Exchange would shortly issue a warning against
brokers loans and stock exchange speculation.
This

will be a blow at Coolidge.

CS.H. cannot understand

how Coolidge could have made such an extraordinary statement.
have been deceived by stock manipulators.

He must

Governor Young also said he

thought the New York directors wanted to put up rates and that Foxton
was there saying Richmond wanted to put up rates and that he should
advise Richmond to wait until after Open Market Committee.
The consensus of opinion of Board seemed to be that we should
first sell securities and we voted to authorize committee to sell from
50 to 75 millions, as Case, for Committee requested.
I fear that nothing short of a rate increase will cope with
the situation caused by Coolidge's statement to Press.
January 11, Wednesday
McGarrah, Woolley and Raeburn of the Federal Reserve Bank
of New York came before Board.

We discussed rate situation.

McGarrah

felt time was near to increase rates although he agreed that first we
might sell some more securities.




E79.

Wooley said there were faint signs of improvement in business
from the present recession and that he feared a general increase might
retard or kill this growth.
Raeburn believed rates should be increased and that it would
not hurt businsss.
All agreed however that securities should be sold first.
Raeburn said that Coolidge's statement would not deceive
professional operations in stocks but that it would encourage smell
investors to hold or increase these investments; that the statement
was most unfortunate.
Governor Young said securities should be sold first; that a
change in discount rates does not change the quantity of credit, while
a sale of securities does and that this was the better course.
Present:

Secretary Mellon, Governor Young,

Cunningham and Platt.

Board took up recommendations of Committee.
C.S.H. offered resolution approving sale from time to time of
further Government securities with accompanying power to buy securities
temporarily if events not now foreseen required such action.
Platt moved to substitute by a similar resolution based more
closely on committee's recommendation.
Cunningham moved to substitute C.S.H.'s resolution.

Unani-

mously carried.
Returning from New 'fork, Miller, after consultation with
Alexander, vehemently opposed increasing rates to control credit and
favored continunace of sale of Government securities.




880.

Ianuery 22, Sunday
C.S.F. called up Glass and it was finelly arranged that C.S.H.
and Governor Yourg should call on Glass at Raleigh Hotel this evening
et 8 P.M.
Wecalled at 8 P.M.

Glass was very glad to see us.

He said

,td was doing so he could defend
TrPrted to keep in touch with what the Bo,
it et short notice if attacked or criticized if necessary.
We went over tl-e brokers loans situation in New York.

He

felt it might be wise to have Case notify some of the big New York banks
that they must take steps to control the situation.
He said Congress never intended us to act as a regulator of
I)r duty
the New York Stock Exchange and that we had no power/to so unless commerce,
business and agriculture were being injured or in danger of injury and
even then he had some doubts

88

to our power.

He thought a slight increase in the discount rate would not
hur+ business neither would it affect the stock situation.

He agreed

that the directors of the Federal Reserve Banks had the responsibility for
ruining the banks and that we should follow their judgment unless we believed
it was clearly wrong.
He said he had spoken to Senator Norbeck about Governor Young's
confirmPtion end Norbeck sail_ his committee was holding it until Meyer was
settled; that he then told Eorbeck he was not holding it at all; that it
hal been sent to Finarce

Committee and not to Banking and Currency

Committee and had been reported fevorably by that Committee and was now in
the calendar.
He said Korbeck was amazed and supposed his Committee—Banking &
Currency—had it.




He said with Norbeck's consent he moved it be referred to
Banking & Currency Committee—which was passed.

He said he spoke to

Smoot about it and he agreed it should never have gone to Finance
Committee.
as

He said he would do his utmost to have prompt confirmation

this was vital if rate questions were coming up before the Board.

He said Heflin objected to immediate consideration of Young's name, but
he could not defeat his confirmation.
Innuary 2'
)
, Monday
Board considered broker's loan matters.

Miller, who a week

ago, opposed any rate advance, now shifted his ground and favored an
advance.
He said sales of securities were being carried out temporarily
by New York Bank, that in any event they were not exercising any control
over the situation.
G.S.H. asked him about Glass' suggestion of calling in the
1=ank Presidents, without mentioning Glass' name.

He said the New York

Bark President's were alive to the situation but could do nothing as the
money came from outside of New York.
January 24

Tuesday

Board took up application of Chicago to increase rates from
-1/2 to 4c1,.
Present:

Secretary Mellon, Governor Young, C.S.H., Miller,

Comptroller, Cunningham; James

sent letter favoring the increase.

Platt moved to approve.
to favor increase.




Long discussion.

Most of Board seemed

882.

C.S.H. said this application was not one for a general
increase of rates by s uniform amount but was simply an application
from directors of one Federal Reserve Bank; that if he were a director
of the Chicago bank, with the knowledge he had up to this A.1.11. he would
have voted against an increase, on the ground that no satisfactory local
reason was given, but merely the broker's loan speculation in New York;
that agriculture, business and commerce was not affected by the New York
stock speculation; that he did not want to incur the danger of chilling
the recent slight improvement in business for the mere sake of putting
an end to New York speculation; but that the telegram from Heath sent
yesterday and reed at this meeting gave a distinctly local reason for
change in rates--i.e., that Federal Reserve rates were out of line
with customers' rates---1/2 Federal Reserve and 4-1/2 customarily;
that if the Board overruled the judgment of the Chicago directors we
would have to take the matter in hand ourselves; that our efforts to
do this through selling securities in New York market had not appreciably
reduced the broker's loans; that we shwild not overrule the judgment of

the Chicago directors—who had the right to establish the rate--unless
we were clearly satisfied that their judgment was wrong; that in view
of their statement that the Federal Reserve rate

Was

out of line, he

was not setisifed that the judgment of the Bank was so clearly erroneous
as to warrant our overruling the directors judgment; that he regretfully
had reached the conclusion to vote to approve the increase.
The others expressed similar views except Cunningham who could
see no reason for the increase.




883.

On vote, every vote was affirmative except Cunningham who
voted No and said he would place on the records his reasons for so
voting.
January 25, Wednesday
Board took up salary adjustments.

Approved ell except New York,

Philadelphia and San Francisco.
C.S.F. motion to approve t3,000 increase to Burgess failed by
tie vote:

Aye Governor Young, C.S.H., Platt.

No, Miller, Cunningham and

Comptroller.
Long discussion over Harrison's proposed increase from 30 to
40,000.

Finally, Secretary Mellon was called in end he said he would

vote for all salaries recommended by New York directors.

It was

finally agreed that Governor Young should talk with McGarrah and see
if some less increase should not be given to Harrison.
On reading the minutes Cunningham's reasons for voting against
Chicago rste increase were read.

He said, among other things, that

there was no reason advanced by Chicago other than stock speculation
until the "inspired" statement in the telegram from Heath as being
out of line, etc.

Finally he struck out "inspired".

He claimed by

approving the increase the Board had gone on record as trying to
regulate stock market speculation by rate increases, although business
was not injured in any way and no increase was needed for business
reasons.
There would be force in Cunningham's reasons were it not
out
for the telegram shoring Federal Reserve rates were/of line--about
11 below customary rates.




084.

Tanuary 26, Thursday
Board took up application of Richmond to increase from 3-1/2

to 4'1.
Cunningham introduced a resolution calling for an inquiry by
Federal Reserve Banks as to rediscounts used for speculative purposes
which the resolution stated were illegal under the Federal Reserve
Act.
Secretary Mellon

came in and a long discussion followed.

Governor Young and Miller criticized the resolution pointing
out that there were few, if any, banks loaning on Wall Street which
were rediscounting to any extent except for temporary purposes from
day to day.
Miller favored an increase for reason that member banks getting
higher rates would be less likely to loan on call.
Miller also made the impression that he was objecting to
Cunningham's desire to control or put an end to speculative use of
Federal Reserve funds by favoring a rate increase instead.
C.S.F. reminded Miller that in

-;Yr-

he made a speech

in Boston claiming that rediscounts for banks carrying speculative
loans were illegal under Federal Reserve Act.

Millar gave a rather

equivocal reply and said his proposed letter to Federal Advisory Council
dated

74-

which the Board tabled, put his attitude plainer.

Finally agreed to take up resolution next week at day to be fixed by
Governor in consultation with Secretary Mellon.
On vote

the Richmond increase was approved.

Aye:

Secretary

Mellon, Governor Young, C.S.H., Platt, Comptroller and Miller.
Cunningham.




No.

885.

Tanuary 27, Friday
Governor Young, Platt and C.S.H. went before Banking and
Currency Committee in behalf of bills to mend Clayton Act and Federal
Reserve Retirement bill.

The Committee practically said it would report

both hills with slight amendments to Retirment Bill:

1. Striking out

privilege to member banks to join, 2. Making 15,000 the maximum in
computing benefits.
January 120, Monday
Harrison came down with Sir Otto Niermyer, a director of
Bank of England.
asked him if

P

We gave him a lunch at Metropolitan Club.

holder

of a Bank of England note for

C.S.H.

5 should demqnd

gold on it from the Bank could he as matter of law get the gold?
Otto said No.

Sir

C.S.H. asked what the Bank would do and Sir Otto said--

redeemit in currency notes.

England is evidently not on a real gold

standard ,
i asis.
February l

Wednesday

House of Representatives passed our Clayton Act bill without
a roll cell.
House of Representatives referred Federql Reserve Pension Bill
back to Committee with instructions to strike out enacting clause.
McFadden for some unaccountable reason did not demand a roll call.
The principal objection raised was the figure :q5,000 as maximum salary
for computation of pension.
February 14, Tuesday
Board voted three to two to accept invitation of League of
Nations to conference in Paris of statistical experts of Central Banks, etc.
Aye--Governor Young, Platt and C.S.H.
No---Miller and Cunningham.



886.

February 26, Sunday
Spent evenina. with Senator Glass.

He said that the history

of his resolution of investigation of the rumor that Chicago bankers had
ent large sums of money lobbying for the Hull amendment of the McFadden
bill was as follows:

that Edge, Sackeet and he were put on the Sub-Com-

mittee; that they both went abroad leavirg Glass to look into the matter
for their consideration when they returned; that he, Glass, did this and
found that

65,000 had been raised by the ChicPgo bankers and spent in

behalf of the Hull amendment; that among other things, Congressman Ball-millionaire, had been paid his expenses in going to American Bankers
California; that Congressman Wings had been paid

Association at

,000 for same purpose; that Wing's accepted this while on the Conference
Committee which was to settle the cuestion; that this was really a bribe;
that many came to him and said Wings was a dying man and that this exposure would kill him; that he consulted Dr. Ruffin, the physician

of

I,Tings,who finally said that the exposure might and probably would have
P

serious effect on his health, as he had heart disease and many dizzy

turns; that he die not want to kill Wings, especially as he had always
fought him and despised him; that he finally consulted his two colleagues
,tors and it was finally agreed to drop the
on their return and other Sen.
matter in view of Wings' health.
Glass also said Senator

Reed (Pennsylvania) held up Woodlecks

nomination for Interstate Commerc,- Commission (reappointment) avowedly
to get someone on Commission who could make the Commission reverse its
decision and give a larger subsidy
the Virginia and other Southern




J.,

,

to the Pittsburgh coal men as against
coal operators; that he heard

887.
Reed say that Coolidge had promised to give the next vacancy to Pennsylvania if Woodlock were confirmed; that Reed then withdrew his opposition
(Woodlock he said would have been confirmed anyway); that later Cox a
good man was not reappointed and Cyrus Woodsof Pennsylvania was appointed;
that Woods was a former attorney for Pittsburgh coal operators; that it
was a scandalous appointment and the Senate rejected him; that the
Committee reversed itself putting the case on different grounds; that
it actually took into consideration the fact thet Pittsburgh had to pay
union wages while in Virginia they had an open shop with lower wages; that
in Pittsburgh they had antiouated machinery while in Virginia it was
modern and up-to-date; that it was a scandalous decision not based on
any railroad reason for Virginia, etc. Railroads showed they could meet
Pittsburgh rates to Lake ports and make a profit; that each who changed
his opinion, he believed was forced to change by political pressure,
although he thought it might have been unconscious on his part; that
he was an able man.
March 7, Wednesday
Two weeks ago, February 14, the Board took up an invitation from
League of Nations to send a representative to conference in Paris this
summer of statistical experts of Central Banks.

The Board voted to accept

It--see supra, but C.S.H. said the State Department should be consulted
as the invitation came not from a Central Bank but from the League of
rations.

C.S.H. understood that this was agreed to.

Later, however,

Eddy told him the League of Nations had been notified of our acceptance.
C.S.H. at once told Governor Young to write a letter to the State Department
explaining the matter.

C.S.H. also met Professor Young, advisor of the

State Department and told him about it.




he said the League of rations

888.

should have addressed the State Department--to which C.S.H. agreed but
explained that by some misunderstanding the acceptance had been sent.
Governor Young wrote the State Department and said if it did not approve
the Board would take up a reconsideration of its vote.
Today the Secretary of State sent Governor Young a letter
saying he would ask the President if he approved and would advise us.
He added that if any communication should come from League of Nations
agair, he trusted we would advise the State Department before acknowledging
it.
C.S.H. believes that any foreign bank could properly write us
but that a foreign Nation should address the Secretary of State and that
as the League of Nations is a collection of Nations, it should have
done the same.
an
It was/unfortunate blunder on our part in sending the letter
of acceptance before communicating with State Department, and C.S.F.
distinctly recolledts that he said and it was understood that the State
Department was first to be consulted.

The State Department would not

have known of this if C.S.H. had not told Professor Young about it.
M,
,rch 7, Wednesday .
Governor Young, Platt, C.S.H. and Cunningham went before
Banking and Currency Committee on the LaFollette resolution on brokers
loans.

Professor Sprauge of Harvard also was there.

C.S.H. got Board's

consent to ask Sprague to come down yesterday as he wished to consult
him, as did possibly some other Board members, before we testified.
C.S.H. told Senator Glass Sprague was to be here and suggested to him
to get the Committee to ask Sprague to appear, not as representing Board
but as an independent' witness--which Senator Glass did.




889.

Siorague testified first and made a very good impression.
Then Governor Young testified in general as follows:
1. Cannot tell whether brokers loans are unduly excessive or not.
2. They seem to be well collateralled and safe from banking
standpoint.

3. They. are not depriving commerce or agriculture of a dollar
of credit.

4. As a fact the bank loans are less today than in 1922.
5. The increase is practiaally all in money lent on call by
those other than banks, e.g. corporations, etc.

6. Of the bank loans the New York banks have decreased and
out of town banks decreased.

7. Todey practically no banks which are constantly in debt
for rediscounts have large loans on call.
are gradually reducing their call loans.

The few which

8. If banks loan on call to any increasing extent and are
perpetual reductions the Federal Reserve Board would admonish them as it has in the past (1925) and will in the
future.

9. Federal Reserve rediscounts are in general . not being used
to obtain call loan funds.
10. No new legislation is considered necessary as the Federal
Reserve Banks can cope with the situation under present
law.
11. If speculative loans increased so as to react on general
business or to encourage business speculation the Federal
Reserve Banks can put up rates and sell securities in open
market.
Governor Young did not say that the recent rate increase
and sales of securities ware for purpose of reducing brokers loans,
but put it largely on ground of gold movements.
C.S.H. felt the reduction to 3-1/2/ did not help borrowerts
generally (except perhaps in large cities) and left the Federal Reserve
rates out of line with customers rates, eapecially in Chicago and




890.

Richmond; that the increase, therefore, would not put up the vast
majority of customers rates, but would merely allow the Federal
Reserve Banks to "feel the mouth" of the money horse, so to speak.
For did C.S.H. approve the untrue reduction of rates with
any intent of encouraging the stock market.

Nor did he base his vote

fa-oring the reduction primaril,, on the Internatkmelsituation as did
the directors of Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
were expressed at the Open Market

C.S.H.fs views

Committee meeting on July 27,

1927. (Supra)
C.S.H. was called to testify.

He said Governor Young had

covered the case completely and his testimony would be largely cumulative
so he had nothing to add but would be glad to answer any ouestions.
The hour was late, the Committee was tired, and no questions were put
to C.S.H.
Cunningham then read a statement to the Committee.

He did

not seek to justify brokers loans in any way but agreed they were not
now depriving any farmer or business man of credit.
C.S.H. would approve an increase of rates and selling
securities to control stock market speculation only when such speculation was interfering with agriculture or commercial credit or exciting
similsr speculation in business even then C.S.H. would regret necessity of putting up rates for the farmer and business man generally
beceuse of stock gambling on Wall Street or speculation on commodities
among some business men.

This would be so especially at a time when

crops were moving.
In passing upon a discount rate Board merely approves or
disapproves rate of Federal Reserve Bank.

Board members may approve

or disapnrove for reasons other than those given by Federal Reserve
Bank.



891.

March 21, Wednesday
Judge Haugh of Federal Reserve Bank of Texas called.
He said the directors made no findings on the Record as to
Talley charges but simply voted to reappoint Talley; that Lenz told
him he had consulted with Comptroller McIntosh last summer and judge
Haugh believes the Comptroller influenced him against Talley.
He also said that Mr. iilan was elected a director in
Kells place by Williams and those who opposed Talley but that after
reading all the evidence he had voted to reappoint Talley.

Be said

Collier was determined to let no bank fail even if the Federal Reserve
Bank had to give it money.
March 22, Thursday
Tames said that McIntosh and Lenz and Williams agreed to fix
Talley last summer; that the Comptroller or his officers made various
deals to get votes for the McFadden bill; that he agreed to vote for
San Antonio and Charlotte in return for votes for McFadden bill; that
he was playing politics.
Wyatt toll me yesterday undoubtedly bargains had been made to get
McFadden bill passed and that the Comptroller's office was scared to death
lest Glass and his investigating committee should get wind of it.

James

said the whole attack against Talley was scandalous and was started by
Congressman Black because Talley would not advance money to this brothers
bank.
March 26, Monday
Meeting of Open Market Committee.

Governor Strong read report

asking authority to work for firmer money conditions, but he said this
did not mean a desire to bring about higher discount rates.




892.

Later the Board voted to authorize sales of securities but
indicated in the vote its feeling that it did not in any way authorize
any increase in discount rates.
The report of the committee was very ambiguous but plainly
it believed that the stock market situation must be taken in hand.
Governor Strong said his directors were unanimous in favor
of further sales of Government securities.
C.S.H. explained his vote by stating that he cast it in belief
that a change in earning assets from Government securities to discounted
paper would enable the System better to handle the credit situation agriculture and business - now and in immediate future, without recourse
to penRlization of agriculture and commerce by higher discount rates.
Cunningham voted for the Board vote but conqurred in C.S.H.'s
memorandum.

See Scrap Book 176.

On vote - eye--Governor Young, Platt, James, C.S.H. and Cunningham;
no---Dr. Miller.
Miller later explained his vote and put it in the Record.

He favored doing

nothing as fixing rates would necessitate raising discount rates.

Miller

orally attacked the whole policy of sales of Government securities--said he
had always opposed it as a fact he has always been one of its most enthusiastic
supporters:
Ausust 2, Monday
Harrison before Board to explain Roumanian credit agreement.
He said under agreement if BoRP4-Bank of France only joined syndicate

we

would be bound; that Bank of England would join if we would guarantee
with Bank of France a sRtisfactory stabilization plan; that New York Bank
refused to do this; that a private loan of 70 millions depended on a
satisfactory stabilization plan end syndicate arrangement.



C.S.H. nointed out thnt in 911 previous credits the Central
Banks had agreed to come in nnd we merely were asked to join, but here
We

were asked by Bank of France to join it in order to bring other

Central banks in: that there was plainly a dispute between Bank of
England and Bank of France; that, PIS Harrison had said, the Bank of
England wanted the League of Nations to supervise the whole stabilization arrangement while Roumania objected; that this was really a question of European balance of power into which we were putting ourselves;
that assuming the purchase of Roumanian bills ras safe, he felt we
ought not to approve until nnd unless the State Department said it had
no objection.
Be said he had seen Assistant Secretary Olds who raised no
objection.
He said he hoped the precedent would not be established of
consulting the State Department or rather asking for its approval as
they had never done this although they had always talked it over with
State Department.
He agreed that Board could not take his statement as to
attitude of State Department and Governor Young and he were asked to
see Secretary Kellogg.
April

3, Tuesday
Harrison called.

Said that Secretary Mellon thoueht the

Roumanian agreement was all riEht and that he had told Coolidge so;
that Secretary Kbllogg and Olds saw no reason to disapprove it; that
they agreed that Federal Reserve Bank of New York not bound to get




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approval of a syndicate agreement between central banks, or be notified
except as a matter of courtesy.

Harrison said Mellon said the State

Department had never interfered with loans except to Foreign governments
and never with private loans.
C.S.F. then showed him his digest which showed that Mellon
had claimed right of diapproval of foreign private loans where debt
not funded.
Harrison said he hoped C.S.H. would not insist on a formal
approval by State Department.
C.S.H. said all he wanted was to know that State Department
offered no objection and a mere statement to that effect by Mellon would
satisfy him; that we should have originally addressed the State Department
only through Mellon.
He said he was eorry what he said was interpreted as a dispute
between Rank of England and Bank of France; that their relations were
most cordial; that the Bank of England had not refused to join the syndicate
but had accepted on condition that Federal Reserve Bank and Bank of France
would be responsible for a satisfactory stabilization arrangement, which
condition the Federal Reserve Bank would not accept; that he thought the
Renk of England would ultimatelv come in.
C.S.H. said the agreement so far as related to the purchase of
trade bills seemed entirely proper; that what he feared was that in approving it without any conditions the Board was in effect siding with Bank
of France against Bank of England--an entirely extraneous political-controversy, but that he accepted Harrison's statement that there was no
controversy except a present disinclination to enter the agreement =less




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the Federal Reserve Bank would accept responsibility for arranging
the stabilization plan; th-t on consideration he felt that to impose
a condition of Board's approval that Bank of England must agree to join,
would be in itself giving a political reason outside of the agreement on
its merits.
C.S.H. feels also that such a condition would be tantamount to
a statement that the Bank of England's policy was being followed by the
Board which would open Board to censure.

He said that what worried the

State Department was whether to object to the private loan of 70 millions.
April

4, Wednesday
Board further considered Roumanian agreement.

Governor Young

said Secretary Kellogg had no objections to the plan so far as the
syndicate agreement was concerned; that his only doubt was as to the
private credit to Roumanian Government of 70 millions.
Someone, I think, Dr. Miller, objected to the syndicate arrangement on ground that the New York Bank would be bound by the decision of
the Bank of France both as to the stabilization plan and the Syndicate
agreement.
C.S.H. then read two questions which he asked Board to submit
to Harrison who was remaining over:
1. Could the Federal Reserve Bank after entering into this
agreement decline to g0 in under it for the reason that
the syndicate plan was not satisfactory to it?
2. Because it was not satisified with the stabilization
agreement which the Bank of France arranged?
The Board called on Harrison who read the various letters
sent by Bank of France to Federal Reserve Bank of New York.




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Harrison said he answered each of C.S.H.ts questions in
affirmetive; and the letters reed showed this clearly.
Harrison then left room.
C.S.H. moved that the Board approve of the negotiations entered
into between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and Rank of France for
a credit errangement in favor of the Bank of Roumania, upon ten conditions
and reservations of said

Federal Reserve Bank of New York upon the

understanding that the other Federal Reserve Banks should be given the
right to participate.
Vote--Aye:
No:

Governor Young, Platt, Comptroller and C.S.H.
Miller and Tames.

Miller said he woule put on record a statement of his reasons.
April

6, Friday
Miller filed a statement stating that Board had practically

assumed responsibility for stebilization agreement and had abdicated
to Bank of France.

C.S.H. then explained his vote:

1.

Federal Reserve Bank expressly refused responsibility for
stabilization plan.

2.

Reserved right to withdrew from syndicate.agreement (a) If
it did not approve stabilizetion plan as finally adopted;
(b) If it did not approve details of syndicate agreement.

April 16, Mond.P7
Received letter from Governor Harding.

Directors oppose

putting up rates on collateral notes.. Executive committee willing to
put up discount rate to 4-1/21.
Asks Board to let him know today what
,
action Board would take if rate increased.

Says no vrticular need

of increase so far as Boston district is concerned but Reserve ratio
is low enough to justify increase.




E97.

If executive committee votes to increase will not be
because of any specific local condition but merely expression of willingless to help out general situation.
C.S.H. at once talked with Platt.

Platt called up New York--

Case said was selling considerable Rmount of securities, hoped Boston
would increase.

Platt saw Mellon.

Mellon did not object to increase.

Said would not cause any disesterous break in market but might slow it
up.
In P.M. Miller came in - Governor Harding had just talked
with him.

Said discounts had greatly increased and proceeds were being

used in stock market and he thought rate should be raised (not consistent
with his letter to me.)
Miller at first thought we ought to act at once and have meeting
and tell Harding so.

Later he veered around and felt we ought to ask

Governor Harding at least to wait until directors meeting Thursday-that putting up rates would chill business, etc.
Finally we agreed to ask Governor Hardin

not
to act through

executive committee tomorrow but to wait at least until Board meeting
Thursday.
April 17, Tuesday
Board received application from Boston for increase in all '
rates from 4 to 4-1/2%.
and C.S.H.

No auorum present.

Only Platt, Miller, Tames

Curtiss called up C.S.H. and said the directors were

unanimous; that their decision was based entirely on local conditions;
that their earning assets 11,1d increased 40 millions since Saturday;
that their reserve percent was 56; that they feared further trouble and
hoped Board would decide Case at once.




All this C.S.H. reported to

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Board.

C.S.H. reed Governor Harding's personal letter to him dated

Saturday, April 14 and said conditions had changed and matter had
become a purely local one.

He said that to refuse the application on

ground that New York should take care of it by further sales of
Government securities would be equivalent to saying that j.\;ew York was
the Central Bank of United States.
Miller, who on Monday told Platt and C.S.H. we should promptly
approve, now turned a somersault and said that to approve it would be to
announce formally that Board would try to control speculation on stock
exchange through discount rates.
C.S.H. replied that Governor Harding and Curtiss said the
proceeds of the discounts were being used for speculative loans; that
theoretically, the Federal Reserve Bank could decline to rediscount under
such conditions; that this, of course, was impracticable as all the banks
were involved and it would be equivalent to splitting up the Federal
Reserve Bank; that if the Bank could refuse altogether it Could put up
rates to discourage such transaction.

Miller said if the Bank should

refuse to rediscount it would be a great stroke.

James agreed with

Miller.

Boston could not

C.S.H. said the Federal Reserve Bank of

sell securities as could New York and that rate increase was its only
Practicable remedy; that it would be monstrous to say to Boston—New
York cannot or does not sell enough securities, therefore, Boston

must

suffer in silence.
James said he thought the pressure at New York was producing
results and was forcing borrowers to borrow at Boston.

C.S.H. said if

this was so it would be absurd to refuse to allow Boston to protect
itself by rate increase.




James did not answer this.

899.

Secretary Mellon was tied up with Farm Loan Board and could
not came in to make a quorum, therefore, we adjourned until tomorrow.
ADril 18, Wednesday
Board met.
and C.S.H.

Present Secretary Mellon; Miller, Platt, Xames,

C.S.H. moved to approve Boston rate.

Discussed from 10 to 12, Miller talking almost incessantly
against it.

Tried to have matter go over until Friday for full Board

meeting or until Monday.
putting

!7

•

Miller said he was satisified New York was

pressure on market which might settle question before

Friday if Boc5ton would wait.

Said be could never vote to control

stock speculation by increasing discount rates, etc., etc.

C.S.H.

reminded him that in fall of 1925 he earnestly favored advance in Yew
York rate to control speculative activity; that New York Bank said it
had it in hand through direct pressure that Cunningham moved to put in
an increase (from 3-1/2 to44) in Nen York over the beads of the New York
directors and though defeated by Board, Miller voted for it with Cunningham.
C.S.H. said Miller's arguments would have some force if we were
a central bank at Washington and Boston a branch, but that Boston is an
indisDensible bank and unanimously asked for increase because of increasing
rediscounts and falling reserves, its present reserve--about 574—being the
lowest of any Reserve Bank; that he,C.S.H., would not hesitate to vote
to increase rates where a speculative movement was interfering or threatening to interfere with business, commerce and agriculture; that he felt this
coundition was at hand.




Finally Board adjourned EA until 2:50.

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At 2:0 reconvened.

Same members present.

Miller snid he

had just been talking with Case in New York; that Case was discouraged
and said the situation was getting out of hand; that money was coming
into New York for speculative purposes and that he could identify 50
millions as coming from Boston.
Secretary Mellon who had patiently listened to Miller sll
the morning, answering all his arguments, said he did not feel Board
could overrule the Boston directors who expressly based their decision
on the local situation, and he called for a vote.
Miller said he felt impelled •to change his morning vote (a
tie, C.S.H. and Platt Yes.

Miller and Zames, No.

Secretary Mellon

for present, not voting) and vote Aye.
The vote was taken and stood.
C.S.H. and Miller.

Aye--Secretary Mellon, Platt,

No--Tames.

April 19, Thursday
Chicago telegraphed for rate increase saying letter by
fast mail.

Board met.

C.S.H. and Secretary Mellon favored waiting until letter
arrived.
Miller, Platt and Tames wanted it decided now.
Platt telephoned McDougal and he read the letter which put
request on local condition - incre9sed reduction and increased customers
rates putting them out of line with Federal Reserve rates.
determined to vote now.

C.S.H. moved to approve.

Mellon, Platt, Miller, and C.S.H.




NO--Tames.

VOTE:

Board finally

Aye--Secretary

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April 20, Friday
Board voted to approve increase in St. Louis rates.
April 23, Monday
Board voted to approve increase of Richmond rate unanimously.
ames voted Aye because Richmond Bank had ordered sold all its holdings
of Government securities.
April 24, Tuesday
Board considered power of Richmond to order all its Government
securities sold.
Miller claimed that

Board had complete power over all open

market operations and could if necessary prevent Richmond from ordering
the sale.
C.S.F. said Section 14 gave Federal Reserve Banks power to
buy and sell Government securities in accordance with rules and regulations of Board; it does not say that it is subject to direction or
order of Board; that the Board can regulate these transactions in any
reasonable manner, e.g. as to maturity and very probably could put.some
limitation as to total amount purchased by any one bank, but that it
could not

forbid such operations altogether; that the Board's

power now being exercised was obtained through the voluntary agreement
of the Beard end Federal Reserve Banks, but that any Federal Reserve
Bank could at any time withdraw and could then, e.g. set up its own
agency in New York and buy or sell Government securities for itself
subject only to reasonable

regulPtion of Board; that this general

agreement that such operations should be conducted by the Open Market
Committee was a wise one as it prevented e.g. New York from buying or
selling of its own volition subject only to reasonable regulations
of Board.



902.

Miller denied this and said the New York bank dominated under
this arrangement.
Miller claimed that the Board had power to order each Federal
Reserve Bank to operate in Government securities only through the Open
Market Committee.
C.S.H.said such an order would be tantamount to saying that the
Federal Reserve Board had power to take away from a Federal Reserve Bank
one of its most important functions and vest it in a committee of all
the banks or in the Board itself which would make the Board a
System in effect a central bank.
C.S.H. cited a former vote of Board agreement authority of
Philadelphia to buy a

long term

Government bond and said such order

was illegal.
C.S.H. further said if Miller was right the Board could take
away from Federal Reserve Banks the right to initiate discount rates and
vest it in a. central discount committee of all the Federal Reserve Banks
or in the Board itself.
Miller threatened to tell the House of Representatives of this
attitude--C.S.F. said he could if he wished.
Miller repeatedly has said recently that the Open Market Operations of Board should be put an end to.
May 4, Tuesday
Governors Conference.

Miller told Governors, while discussing

Open Market Investment Committee report, that open market operations
should be put an end to and that discount rates only should be used
to control credit; that this had always been his attitude and that he




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was disposed not to vote at all on recommendation of Committee that
the policy of further sales of Government securities should be continued;
at the most be said he might vote to give them all the rope they wanted
(meaning with which to hang themselves).

Miller also demanded that Governor

Case call or banks and warn them.
The claim of Miller is preposterous.

See memorandum showing

his record in Scrapbooks.
C.S.H. prepared this memorandum intending to show up Miller's
record on Open Market purchases and sales at next meeting as he was determined
not to let Miller "get by".
May 2, Wednesday
Board considered open market committee report.

It voted to

approve report but defined what it understood as the general policy
referred to by committee.
In afternoon Board issued answer of Governors to the Board's
topics.
Governor Seay attacked vigorously Board's policy of inflation
through open market purchases.

C.S.H. read Seay's protest of August 17,

1926 against any further sales to the great amusement of conference and
confusion of Governor Seay.
May ?, Thursday
Miller has been testifying before House of Representatives
Banking and Currency Committee.

He attacked Open Market Operations

end made committee think he had always opposed them.
I shall look up the record and show up his momerfandRm= inconsistencies.
Be even told the Committee his part on the Board was to
remain calm as against the hysteria of the other members.



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May 14, Monday
President Coolidge sends Platt's name to Senate for ten year
term.on Federal Reserve Board.
May
Wends* 182 Friday
Federal Advisory Council meets.

On consideratior of possible

increase at Eew York to 54
! every member said it would have no injurious
effect in their Districts except Goebel of Kansas City who thought it
would be ciiticised although he did not question the possible necessity
of doing it.

The discussion was as to whether the other banks would

follow suit, and all, even Goebel, said they in all probability would.
May 23, Wednesday
C.S.H. testified before House of Representatives Banking and
Currency Committee in opposition to the Strong stabilization bill.
He made suggestions as to changes which would remove most of his objections.
See official testimony.
May 241
C.S.H. finished before Committee.
Platt was reappointed by President Coolidge to Federal Reserve
Board and confirmed day before yesterday.
Miller has been testifying before Banking and Currency Committee
for past two weeks, off and on.

He made a very unfavorable impression,

lost his head, and severely criticised the other Board members.
abstract of some of his remarks will appear later.
May 25, Friday




Meeting of Open Market Committee.

A brief

905.

Committee made a report favoring continued sales of securities.
Special account down to il.00,000.
Committee also asked authority to buy 100,000 in cqse of
emergency.
Governor Case said Morgan had made a firm offer for 25 millions
and committee wanted to sell.

Governor Harding alone objected, saying

it was poor policy to buy and sell in small amounts and too frequently
all Board members objected to giving power to buy more preferring to
wait until the contingency arose.
Finally Committee decided to meet again at about 1 P.M.
At

P.M. Board met with them again and they made a new report striking

out the request for further alithority to buy.

This was somewhat ampli-

fied to suit James and Miller.
Board went into Executive session and on C.S.H.Is motion
approved report and gave authority asked for to continue sales.
called for a poll and it was unanimous.

Aye:

C.S.H.

Governor Young, C.S.H.,

Miller, Platt and James.
At

5 P.M. Secretary Mellon asked me to come in. I had celled

at his office yesterday P.M. but he was tied up.
I gave him a fair, impartial account of the hearings on the
Strong stabilization bill and Miller's attack on his associates.
was very indignant and said --How could we have reappointed him!
never would have if we had realized

what was to happen.

He
We

I knew his

auerr doings and his long speeches and talk but thought he would improve.
He was also indignant at Miller's recommendation to committ?e
of changing the law so as to remove office of Secretary of Treasury
from Board.




He showed me a clipping from Novembera9- New York Times

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May 25, ouoting my testimony against Miller's recommendation.
headed--"Hamlin lauds Mellon!!"

It was

I told him it was a splendid thing

for him and the President to reappoint three men originally appointed
by President Wilson.
When I left the room he took me by the hand and thanked me
for the confidence I had shown in him—referring to my statement that
he had given more attentior to Board matters than any other Secretary
of Treasury.
May 26, Saturday
The following is a brief abstract of some of the things
Miller said before Banking and Currency Committee on Strong stabilization bill:




1. Board should be reduced in number. Testified - May 2, 1928.
2. Board too sensitively attuned to foreign viewpoints. - May 2

3. Men of imagination and sound judgment very rare. May 2
4. Putting men in high Federal positions with high sounding
titles may paralyze any native ability they may have.

May 2

5. Says his function on the Board has been to maintain an attitude of relative calm where unconscious hysteria is developing.
May 2

6. Agrees with Chairman McFadden that conversations with foreign
bankers—Norman, Schacht, etc. should have been a matter of
record of the Board. Testified - May 8

7. Board is innocent of European psychology. May 8
8. Governor Strong is an able men, but on this particular subject
(Stabilization Bill) he does not know what he is talking about.
May 8

9. Governor Strong is an able man, but ... a Programme of economic
statesmanship, such as this contemplates, calls for exercise of
faculties, experience, training, etc. that is very unusual in any
group of men. May 2

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10. Says he is embarassed by auestions put to him - because of
his loyalty to his colleagues. May 9
11. You have got to put into the Board and Federal Reserve Banks
men of the mental stature who can take up these things end
state the reasons for them. May 9
12. Says did not approve statistical conference at Paris in April
28, attended by Goldenweiser and Burgess. May 9

13.

May have some ulterior purpose behind it. Says we have a good
deal of "Innocents Abroad."
"When we go abroad I wnnt to see the U.S. represented by men
who know what they are -bout, and whose heads are balanced
definitely between their shoulders." May 9

14. "I am a man of years--I have a great variety of human contacts-an enormous variety of experience". May 9
He also attacked Open Market policy said it was mischievous
and responsible for Inflation.
On May 1, he told Open Market Committee at Conference of
Governors that they should be put an end to and that he had always been
of this opinion.

Yet on May

9,

he told the House of Representatives

Committee that Open Market opercitions were the very heart of Federal
Reserve policy.
Be slso told Governors May 1 that the only way to control
credit was through discount rates.

Yet in January 11, 1928, returning

from New York, he opposed any increase in New York rates favoring continunace of sales of securities.
Also on April 18, for two hours he opposed incrense in Boston
rate saying he never would vote to put up rates to control speculation,
And only reluctantly voted approval in P.M. efter Governor Case had
told him Open Market operations were not succeeding in New York.
C.S.H. put in a table prepared under his direction by Smead
which showed that in the four years ending Oetober 31, 1927 and further
to April 1, 1928, Open Market operations plus acceptances increased




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only in two of the years but that total Federal Reserve Credit in these
two years actually d3creased; that in the other three year periods, Federal Reserve credit increased, but Open Market operatiors plus acceptances
decreased.
In his testimony of May 9, Miller forgot his attitude towards
Open Market operations and tpld committee they were the very heart of
Federal Reserve policy!

C.S.H. Quoted this in his testimony before

committee.
Goldenweiser told C.S.H. Miller felt very bad at his testimony
and had tried to strike out part of it--especially the ettack on Governor
Strong, but that the House of Representatives Committee insisted it must
remain.
May 27, Sunday
Governor Young, C.S.H. and Platt called by appointment on
Senator Glass and went over whole banking situation with him.

collateralled note than

suggested putting e hivhc?r rate
on commercial paper discounts.

He

He was inspired to think that borrowings

on theae notes secured by Government bonds might be responsible for the
stock inflation.
power.

He said when Federal Reserve Act passed it had no such

C.S.H. called to his attention fact that original Federal Reserve

Act admitted to discount paper regular trading in Government securities.
He gaid at that time total Government debt did not exced one billion
and Congress when it passed the mendment as to collateral notes never
dreamed of such issues as was brought forth.
In discussing uniform rates Governor Young said at least
everyone should be allowed to borrow on Government bonds at same rate,
but Glass replied this would be placing a premium on Federal Reserve




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discounting which ought not to be.
I think Governor Young convinced him that the other "federal
Reserve banks could not maintain lower rates then New York for it would
encourage banks to borrow and invest proceeds in New York call loans
because of the higher rntes on call loans cnused by the New York discount
rate.
to say

Governor Young said we must assume that increase in New York rate
would force all other Federn1 Reserve B nks to increase also,

And the New York Bank might have to increase to curb speculation.

The

question whether Federal Reserve Banks could maintain a higher rate than
New York was not much discussed.
Glass said he should draw certain amendments to act this summer
and would go over them with the Board.
Be spoke in contempt,of Miller and his performances before the
Banking and Currency House of Representatives Committee and C.S.H. gave
him n pnrtial nbstract of whnt Miller said before the Board.
May 28, Monday
Board considered Cunningham resolution of February 2, 1928
directing Federal Reserve Banks to report all banks who were rediscounting from Federal Reserve Banks and at same time loaning on cn11.
The Roard at that time voted to npprove Plattts motion to substitute
that Governor Young should study matters end report later to the Board.
Governor Young reported today that he had carefully studied
the matter with Smead and thOtthey had arrnnged with Comptroller to
have bank put this information in their call reports but it was too
late to put it in Tuly call but must wait until October call.




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Cunningham came in and was very indignant and Miller backed
him up.
Governor Young said the delay did no harm as could not have
had a reply from the Federal Reserve Banks in time to hope for any
legislation from this Congress.
Board finally approved Governor Young's report.
voting No.

Cunningham

Miller voted No.

29, Tuesday
Had talk with ogden Mills lt 3 P.M.
Told him about Miss Heyser, a correspondent for seven Western
papers who had been pestering the Board.

Said she was simply seeking

information for a partisan attack on Board and Secretary Mellon; that
I saw her once and she was vitriolic; I declined to see her again but
said that any letters of inquiry as to facts in which she wanted informntion would receive respectful consideration.

Some time ago she

had n long talk with Dr. Miller.
I asked Miller to look her up and let me know sbmething about
her which he said he would do.
We also talked of the hearings on Stabilization Bill ond Dr.
Miller's testifying.

I said I had made an abstract of it not yet finished.

He asked me if I would let him see it and I said Yes when it is finished
and I gave him a preliminary abstract of Miller's attack upon his associates.
He said--don't you think the Committee signed him up?
Yes I believed so.

I snid

Glass, at our talk Sunday, said he did not agree

with Miller that the Secretary of Treasury and Comptroller should be
dropped as ex-officio member of Federal Reserve Board.




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James yesterday spoke of fact that his company was still
loaning its surplus funds on call in New York.

I hope he tins complied

with the Federal Reserve Act and is no longer engaging in business!
June 9, Seturday
Governor Young sail Governor Cnse told him that Miller attended
meeting of Pew York directors lnst Thursflay; that the New York bnnks
found it increasingly difficult to keep in position of not being constnnt
borrowers at Federal Reserve Bank end several had got into position where
it could hardly be said they were

DDIAT

content borrowers; that the directors

discussed calling them in and admonishing them; that to the surprise of
all Miller vigorously opposed this.
June 19, Tuesday
Whally-Caten Sewell has article on Hoover and Dr. Miller.
(See Scrap

ooks).

Tames declared that Comptroller at a meeting in Texas with
Williams et als made a deal by which in return for votes for McFadden
Bill he promised (a) Removal of Governor Tnlley; (b) Federal Reserve
Branch at San Antonio and Charlotte.
July

Said he knew this.

3
Platt Trites that Chicago increased its discount rate from

4-1/2 to 974 on Friday, June T3O.

He snid he told Heath we could not

act on it before Tuesday, July 10.




912.

July9
Conference of officers in

In New York at Federal Reserve Bank.
A.M. and sat with Executive Committee at 2 P.M.

Discussed rates.

Reached

Washington 7:30 P.M.
July 10, Tuesday
Discussed Chicago application to increase rates to 5%.
Aye--Secretary Mellon, Governor, Platt, Miller, C.S.H.

increase.

Approved
No—Comptroller

and James.
July 16
Left Mattapoisett with H.P.H. for Boston * * *
Call on Governor Harding at Alogonquin Club.

He is much better.

He said Miller called on him a week ago and told him he was an Independent
with Democratic proclivities but that, out of friendship, he should vote
for Hoover.
July 1, Wednesday
Meeting with Open Market Committee.

Committee recommended no

change in present policy, holding investment account as it now is--about

75 millions—keeping up 5(// rate.
Board agreed unanimously to this.
Tames attacked Governor Case for not calling bankers together
and admonishing them to reduce speculative loans.
Governor Case said he had talked with the banks indivi-lually
but calling them together and admonishing them was a different question;
that recently at a directors, meeting Miller was present and vigorously
opposed this, while Tames now favored it.




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Miller tried to explain his opposition faintly intimating
that conditions were di'ferent now.
C.S.H. then asked Miller if he would favor now doing this and
pointing out that it would amount to an order to
He finally said No as

it Was

speculative credit.

too great a responsibility for Federal

Reserve Board to undertake.
In discussing his previous opposition, he used precisely the
same argument.
Miller said he believed a practicable way could be found to
prevent Federal Reserve rlredit leaking into the speculative market.
C.S.H. asked him how and he finally said it would be by
studying individual banks and when a bank normally had a certain
percent of its loans on call but had increased them, we could admonish
it.
C.S.H. asked if we should do some with all speculative loans,
e. g. real estate, etc. but Miller said Not we should try call loans
firsti

Miller said if we bought any more Government securities we

should and ought to be hauled over the coals by Congress; that we
should use the discount rate.
Miller also said that 500 millions of our gold had gone abroad;
that we had the situation in hand through discount rates and that it
would be folly to change our policy.
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Governor Case :told C.S.11. that Reynolds was the only New York
director who voted against increased rate to 51,.
to 56%




Boston increased rates