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Statement by Philip C. Jackson, Jr.
Member
Board of Governors
of the Federal Reserve System

Before the Subcommittee on Financial Institutions
Supervision, Regulation and Insurance of the House
Committee on Banking, Finance and Urban Affairs

Washington, D. C.

July 26, 1978

It is

t

pleasure to appear before this distinguished Subcom­

mittee to present the views of the Board of Governors on the Community
Reinvestment Act, the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act, the extension of
Regulation Q authority, and a central liquidity facility for credit
unions.
At the outset, let me say that the general intent of the
Congress in enacting the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) seems reason­
ably clear.

The "convenience and needs" standard has been included for

many years in Federal banking statutes, such as the Bank Merger and Bank
Holding Company Acts, and this standard has been one of the factors taken
into account by the Federal bank and thrift regulators in decisions on
applications for expansion by regulated financial institutions.

In enact­

ing the CRA, the Congress presumably wished to emphasize to insured finan­
cial institutions and their Federal regulators that the convenience and
needs of the community include credit as well as deposit and other services.
The timing of this emphasis coincides with greater concern over the economic
well-being of the inner cities and the need for revitalization of inner
city neighborhoods.
Nonetheless, the statute created a number of issues that
needed resolution by the agencies responsible for writing regulations
to implement the CRA.

As you knew, earlier this year the four Federal

regulators of banks and thrift institutions held joint hearings to
obtain public comments and suggestions on how we might best implement
the CRA.




To provide a focus for the hearings, a series of questions

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dealing with ths issues that the statute raised were included with the
public notice of the hearings.

The response we received during testimony

at the hearings and in written comments have been helpful to the agencies
in developing regulations to implement the act.
As those questions indicated, the four agencies have been
particularly troubled by the absence of statutory definitions for such
terms as "entire community," "credit needs," and "low- and moderateincome neighborhoods." The- comments received confirmed that the public
too was concerned about how the agencies might deal with these terms in
the regulations.

Numerous definitions for these and other terms in the

act were suggested by the witnesses, but no consensus on the definitions
emerged at the hearings.
What did emerge from the hearings, however, was the concern of
the insured financial institutions that the regulatory agencies, in order
to offset the vagueness of various parts of the statute, might impose a
heavy reporting and recordkeeping burden on them.

In particular, reser­

vations were expressed that the agencies' efforts to define community
credit needs could result in an indirect form of credit allocation.
These fears were not entirely without foundation because
comments received from some of the community groups did indeed urge that
the agencies impose substantial reporting and recordkeeping burdens and
include in the regulation a requirement that financial institutions make
specific types of credit available to certain parts of the community.
Such views, in the Board's judgment, do not conform with Congressional
intent.




On the contrary, there is clear evidence in the legislative

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history of the CRA that no significant reporting or recordkeeping require­
ments are to be inposed on the regulated financial institutions.

It also

appears to be the intent of the Congress to avoid any regulatory require­
ments that might result in credit allocation.
More generally, a number of the witnesses at the hearings and
in written submissions interpreted the CRA as placing rather specific
requirements on financial institutions.

Gur reading of the statute

suggests that the intent of the CRA is to emphasize to covered financial
institutions that they have an obligation to help meet the credit needs
of all parts of the communities in which their depository facilities are
located, giving special attention to low- and moderate-income neighbor­
hoods.

To accomplish this purpose, the operative sections of the CRA

place rather specific requirements on the four Federal regulatory
agencies.

First, they are to "encourage" financial institutions to help

meet their local communities' credit needs, consistent with the safe and
sound operation of those institutions (§802(b)).

Second, they are

required to "assess" financial institutions' records of meeting those
credit needs (§804(1)).

Third, the supervisory agencies are to "take

such record fs] into account" in evaluating applications by insured
financial institutions for charters, deposit insurance, branches,
office relocations, mergers, and holding company acquisitions (§804(2)).
Thus, given the approach called for by the CRA, the Board
believes that it would be contrary to both the spirit and letter of the
CRA to impose by regulation numerous or burdensome requirements on the
financial institutions.




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The proposed CRA regulations recently published for public
comment by the four Federal financial supervisory agencies are designed
to encourage banks and thrift institutions to increase their involvement
in community affairs and to take actions, within their changing lending
capacities, to help meet the credit needs of their communities.

Although

some requirements are imposed on the financial institutions in the proposed
regulation, those requirements were thought to be the best means by which
to provide a reasonable basis for communication among financial institu­
tions, members of Llieii: communities, and the regulatory agencies.

Provid­

ing for that communication will help identify community credit needs and
will increase the amount of information flowing to members of the community
regarding the types of credit available from the financial institutions.
The "assess" and "take into account" requirements of the statute
also pose something of a dilemma for the agencies.

(Aider the act, the

regulators must determine after the fact how well a bank, bank holding
company, or thrift institution submitting an application has served its
community's credit needs.

This could tempt the agencies to give the

financial institutions elaborate guidelines on how they will be judged
in order to help develop a detailed record to assess and to take into
account at the time an application is submitted.

The danger is that such

guidelines can easily become requirements or lead to the perception on
the part of regulated institutions that specific types of lending and
other community service actions must be conducted.
While we do not favor the imposition of extensive and rigid
guidelines, it is helpful to provide covered financial institutions




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with suggested assessment factors as guidelines to enable them to conply
with the act. In the proposed regulations, the agencies have provided a
list of factors that may be considered in assessing the record of financial
institutions in neeting the credit needs of their communities.

Given the

great variety of local conditions, the list of factors is intended to
be illustrative.

Considerable latitude is given to the banks and thrifts

to choose the ways in which they will fulfill their obligations to their
corrcnunities.
Overall, the Board expects that the regulations that have been
published for comment will meet the intent of the Congress in passing this
statute, while avoiding the imposition of credit allocation or burdensome
recordkeeping or reporting requirements on Federally-insured financial
institutions.
It should be recognized, however, that precise measures of per­
formance cannot be achieved in dealing with a matter as coirplex as a
financial institution's record of service to its community.

Rather, in

making an assessment of this kind, a considerable element of judgment
necessarily enters into an agency's deliberations.

This kind of evalua­

tion is not capricious, however, and banks are accustomed to this type
of regulatory review.

It is based on years of experience in dealing

with financial institutions and assessing their strengths, weaknesses,
and capabilities.

It is the same type of judgment that comes into play

when financial regulatory agencies evaluate an institution's capital
level, portfolio quality, and caliber of management.
The necessity of making judgments becomes even more apparent
when we consider that an institution's record under the CRA is only




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one factor that must be weighed in evaluating an application.

By law,

the agencies must also take into account an institution's financial
condition, future prospects, management, and any competitive inplications.

The agencies, therefore, must balance these factors not only

against each other, but against the newly enphasized CRA factor.
In addition, the Board wishes to note that it plans to con­
sider any views expressed by State bank supervisors on the extent to
which State-chartered, member banks involved in applications have been
serving the credit needs of their communities.

Also, since we routinely

provide copies of our examination reports to State supervisors, the State
authorities will be apprised of the Federal Reserve's assessments of the
extent to which State member banks are meeting the credit needs of their
communities.
Hie second topic on which the Subcommittee requested comment
is the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act of 1975 (HMDA). This act is an
experiment to discover if public disclosure by depository institutions
of mortgage and home inprovement lending patterns in metropolitan areas
will, as the preamble to the act states,
"provide . . . citizens and public officials . . .
with sufficient information to enable them to deter­
mine whether depository institutions are filling
their obligations to serve the housing needs of the
communities and neighborhoods in which they are
located . . . ."
Midway through the experiment, no definitive judgment regarding
the act's usefulness can be made since relevant evidence is still being
collected and analyzed.




Three studies are currently under way.

The Federal

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Home Loan Bank Board and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation are
jointly sponsoring a study to determine the accuracy, completeness, cost,
and usefulness of disclosure data based upon disclosures made in three
metropolitan areas— Buffalo, Chicago, and San Diego.

The Federal Reserve

is conducting a study of the feasibility and usefulness of extending the
act's disclosure requirements to non-metropolitan areas.

Finally, the

Department of Housing and Urban Development is funding a study of the uses
to which disclosure information has been put by community groups and local
governmental units.

Hie results of these studies should be available by

the end of the year and will greatly enhance our understanding of hew well
the act serves its stated purpose.
In the interim, however, several general observations can be
offered based upon what is now known.

The initial disclosures, which

were available in September 1976, drew a flurry of interest.

There were

a number of media reports and analyses prepared by comnunity-consumer
organizations across the country.

Since then, from a national perspec­

tive, there has been a very limited degree of interest in disclosure
statements.
For example, the United States League of Savings Associations
reported in May 1977 that, of 1,725 members out of 2,775 responding to a
questionnaire, 1,039 (60 percent of the respondents) did not receive any
requests to review their disclosure reports and another 369 (21 percent)
received only one or two requests.

The limited degree of interest also

was confirmed in an informal survey of lenders in ten major cities in




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January 1977 (American Banker, January 24, 1977, p.l).

This conclusion

was also reinforced by several members of the Board's Consumer Advisory
Council at its recent meeting on June 1.
There has been little use of disclosure data by the act's
intended beneficiaries— public and private depositors who are deciding
where to deposit their funds.

Vfriile there have been isolated instances,

we know of no concerted effort by non-governmental depositors to persuade
banks or thrifts to change their credit policies through "greenlining",
that is, shifting deposits based upon disclosure statements.

The few

State and municipal governments— for example, California and Chicago— that
have instituted "greenlining”programs have adopted their own disclosure
schemes tailored to meet their needs and have not relied upon the Federal
act.
Given the limited use of HMDA information to date, there remains
the question whether the data will be helpful to the agencies in assessing
a regulated institution's community investment efforts.

TVo limitations

in the HMDA reports suggest that these data may not be of significant help
in that task.

First, the CRA requires an assessment of the degree to which

a bank or thrift is helping to meet the broad range of a community's credit
needs, not just housing credit needs.

In the case of commercial banks,

however, residential mortgage lending is oily one of many lending activities.
Second, the required disclosures reveal nothing about effective loan demand
by geographic area, and we know of no satisfactory way of accurately measuring that demand without expend ing




esources.

- 9 Assuming that the Federal bank and t h r i f t regulators encourage
th e ir supervised lenders to develop outreach programs pursuant to the
CRA, the focus w ill be on how well the lender s e lls it s cre d it services
to the community and whether i t a c tiv e ly seeks to engage in a partnership
with community residents, businessmen, and local public o ffic ia ls to help
tackle the community's problems.

Vie believe that fostering positive out­

reach on the part of financial in s titu tio n s , tailored to local circum­
stances, is a much better way to help the nation's communities than
devoting resources to determining the significance of lim ited disclosure
data or to collecting additional data.

In our view, community investment programs and monitoring
schemes, such as residential mortgage disclosure, are best developed
at the local level, where they can be fashioned to meet local circum­
stances.

In accord with this policy of fostering local solutions to

community credit problems, the Board has granted exemptions under the
Home Mortgage Disclosure Act in situations where State-chartered deposi­
tory institutions conply with State disclosure laws that are comparable
in purpose to the Federal act, even if the details of disclosure vary.
Similarly, the Board endorses the continuation and expansion of the Urban
Reinvestment Task Force's Neighborhood Housing Services and Neighborhood
Preservation programs.

These programs, operating as of June in 56 neigh­

borhoods in 47 cities, owe their success to the broad-based cooperation
of financial institutions, local government, and neighborhood residents.
We believe that these localized services should serve as a model of the
type of approach that should be taken in community investment endeavors.




- 10 Turning to the extension of the current deposit c e ilin g rate
authorityi the Board continues to believe that such rate c e ilin g s — and
the mandated deposit rate d iffe re n tia ls between banks and t h r if t s — should
be removed over the long run to promote equity for small savers and eco­
nomic e fficie n cy.

Although in practice rate ce ilings probably can be

removed only gradually, growing competitive inequities under the present
rate structure make i t imperative that the process of removing a r t if ic a l
rate and d iffe re n tia l re strictio n s begin soon.

For example, more and more

t h r i f t in stitu tio n s are offering some type of tn ird -p a rty payment services
and are competing a c tiv e ly and e ffe c tive ly with commercial banks for these
services.

Mutual savings banks and otiier t h r if t s in New England, dew York,

Pennsylvania, and elsewhere have been successful in offering checking or
check-like transaction accounts.

The c e ilin g rate u ifie re n tia l favoring

nonbank depository in stitu tio n s with transactions account powers is lix e ly
to produce further competitive d is to rtio n in our in s titu tio n a l structure .
While the Board recommends that the current ftegul'.tion

Q rate

authority be extended for one year, the Board believes that ac'. ion also
should be taken by the Congress^ to eliminate the competitive inequities
that have developed as a re su lt of t h r if t s offering transactions-type
accounts.

The Board urges that le g is la tio n be adopted to require ra te -

c e ilin g p a rity among a ll depository in s titu tio n s , including cre dit
unions, on any interest-bearing transactions accounts and on savingstype accounts that ere tied to th ird -p a rty transfer accounts.

The appro­

p ria te rate ce ilin g for such accounts at th is time would be the c e ilin g
on commercial bank savings accounts.




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Such an approach would oe similar to that in effect for NOW
accounts in New England, and would also be similar to the proposal on
rate ceilings in the nationwide NOW account bill approved by the Senate
Banking Committee last year.

With that modification to existing law,

a one-year extension would provide time for the Congress to review other
basic issues involved in deposit rate ceilings and the rate differential
between commercial banks and thrifts.
On the broader issue, the Board continues to believe that it
would be desirable to restore to the agencies the flexibility to pre­
scribe an3 adjust deposit rate ceilings without Congressional approval
of changes in differentials.

Ihe Board believes that consideration of

this basic issue by the Congress can await broad review of the deposit
rate structure.

However, steps should be taken now to eliminate the

disparity in treatment that exists because of differentials among insti­
tutions that are offering comparable transactions account services.
Finally, the Board supports the establishment of a credit union
central liquidity facility. We believe that there is a need for a lend­
ing fund to deal with temporary liquidity problems experienced by credit
unions.

Ihe possibility of such difficulties arises partly because, under

the common-bond principle, the membership of an individual credit union
tends to be suoject to similar economic pressures.

In many cases, the

members of a credit union work for the same employer, so that a plant
closing or seasonal swing in employment or hours can result in sizable
deposit outflows at the san® time that loan demand rises and loan repay­
ments lag.




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Ihe Board has discussed a few modifications and clarifications
to the proposed legislation with the National Credit Union Administration.
During those discussions, the Administrator of the NCUA indicated that
he agrees that these changes would improve the bill.

One amendment would

clarify that the private borrowings of the facility would not have the
U.S. Government's guarantee.

Another would reduce the borrowing leverage

on capital to ten times capital, which would make the facility's size
more reasonable in relation to industry assets.

We especially commend

the very limited purpose of meeting liquidity needs for which funds may
be advanced, but also believe that the bill should be clarified to reflect
that limitation expressly.
That concludes try statement.

Thank you for this opportunity to

appear before the Subcommittee on behalf of the Board.