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For release on delivery
Expected at 9:30 A.M. EST
March 27, 1984

Statement by
Paul A. Volcker
Chairman, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Sytem
befor~

the

Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
United States Senate
March 27, 1984'

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111,

I , ajn. pleased to come before you as

one of

the

conclu"ding witnesses in what has been a thorough and searching
examinatio~

of proposals to restructure the law governing bank

and thrift holding company activities.
culmination pf a
t~,

proposals

These hearings are a

long process of evaluation of legislative

simplify regulatory procedures and to assure a

- competitive envir9nment for the provision of financial services.
Heaiings on vaii9us bills of this kind began in the
Since then this Commi tt~e has held 44 days of

fa_ll of 1981.

hearings, heard more than, 235 witnesses, and has before it over

y,ooo

pages of .testimony.

analysis

of

hi~torical

This extensive record -- including

problems,

present difficulties,

and

future solutions ·,:;._ provides a solid foundation on which to
build legislative decisions at this session of Congress.
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have

on

several

occasions

emphasized

to

this

Committee the basic framework within which we in the Federal
app~~ac~

Reserve
and

innovative·
•

economical
time,

these questions.
banking

and

We want to see a competitive

financial

system,

providing

l

a~p

efficient services to consumers.

we believe

that

banks,

and

depository

At the same

institutions

generally, perform a unique and critical role in the financial
system and the economy -- as operators of the payments system,
as custodians of the bulk of liquid savings,
suppliers of short-term credit,
monetary policy and the economy.
continued

governmental

concerns

and

as

the

as unbiased
link

between

This ·unique role implies
about

·''

the

stability

and

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impart'iali ty -of
r~flected

these

institution

in - the federal

concerns

that

are

"safety -net" long provided by the

diSCOUnt WindOW and depOSi t

Insurance I

by regu'latory protection

agains't undue risk, and - by policies to discourage conflicts of
in'terest' and undue concentration of banking resources..

As a

corollary fo these cdncerns, and as a result of our practical
experience

in

regula-ting - bank - holding

companies,

we

also

believe that these basic policies must, to a degree, apply to
the holding ·companies of which banks and

other depository

ins.ti tut ions are a part; banking in'sti tut ions cannot be wholly
separated from the

fort~nes

of their affiliates and from the

success or failure of- their business objectives.
-A review

of

the

testimony before

this

Committee

indicates-that these principles are broadly accepted.

Progress

has been made toward achieving some convergence of· views on· the
~efinitions

of a bank and thrift institution~ on the scope o~

regulatory

authority,

and

on

possible

simplification

of

regulatory approaches toward .bank holding companies.

'In my testimony in· January in Salt Lake City,
sugg'ested 'new

legislation

is

I

urgently ·needed dealing· with

several areas:
(a)
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a strengthened definition of bank;
a definit~on -of a qualified thrift;

( c) · 'new procedures to streamline applica·tion of the
bank and thrift holding company Acts:

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the powe~s . of depository

(d)

institutions holding

companies: and
( e)

_statutory guidelines to govern the di vision of
state and
ban~ing

federal

authority

in

the

area of

organization·powers.

There are a growing number of _issues about interstate
banking that soon will need to be dealt with as well, but, with
one exception,
legislation.

those questions could be deferred
The

exception

concerns

to later

Congressional

policy

toward the present movement toward regional interstate banking
arrangements.
_Our analysis·of the bills and much of the testimony
that have been placed before this Committee indicate elements
of agreement in several of the necessary areas.

There appears

to be an emerging consensus on defini.n,C3 what . is a bank -- a
fundamental b.uilding block for any legislation to clarify the
role of banks and bank holding
and economic system.
Holding

Co~pany

broa~ly

accepted.

thrift

~ompanies

New procedures

within our financial

for applying the Bank

Act and simplifying regulation seem to be

.

Some convergence on the appropriate role of

institutions

and

their

holding

companies

may

be

developing, as' well as on the need to rewrite· guidelines for
state-federal

relationships.

Equally

clearly,

substantial

differences in defining the appropriate range of powers for
bank holding companies remain apparent.

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It seems to me the time has come to consolidate areas
'of agreement,

to consider objections to the proposals before

the Committee, and to test alternative approaches to bridging
the remaining differences.

Today,

I would like to share with

you our further thinking on the five key problem areas and,

in

particular, address some possible solutions to the remaining
problems.
I.

Definition of Bank
The definition of "bank" is a crucial provision of the

Bank Holding Company Act.
are covered by the Act,

It defines those institutions which
and for them the boundaries for the

safeguards against excessive risk,

conflicts of interest and

·concentration of resources deemed. appropriate as a matter of
public policy.
a

meaningful

The application of these policies depends upon
definition

that

encompasses

all

depo~i tory

institutions that perform essential banking functions.
- Marketplace,

technological,

and

regulatory develop-

ments have seriously undermined the present definition,

which

defines a bank as an institution which accepts demand deposits
and makes commercial loans.

Functional evasion of the purpose

of the Act is becoming the rule rather than the rare· exception
through the creation of "nonbank banks" and ·other devices that
permit combinations of banking activity and commercial, retail,
insurance and
policies

on

securities- fir-ms.
conflicts

of

As

interest

a
~nd

result,

establisht:d

concentration

of

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resources are undercut or jeopardizf?d ~

These . same

t~chniques.

are ·'be·i-ng used to ·undermine the Congressional prohibition on.
interstate. banking.
in existing -law is
competitive

The haphazard 1axploi tat ion. of "loopholes'-'.
refl~cted

unfairness

and

in an understandable sense of

coul,d,

in .time,

safety and soundness of the·banking and

jeopar,dize

payme~t~

the

system.

The

developments are broad in scope, as re.fleeted in the tabulat.ion
in Appendix A.
To deal with this. situation,
re-definition of the term
institu'tion

la~t

year we, suggested a

"bank" . to include any depository

(other than a FSLIC· insured-institution) that is

(a) FDIC insured,

(b) eligible for F~IC insurance, or (c) ·which

takes transaction accounts and makes

comme~cial

loans.

This

definition was included in the FIDA legislation and was adopted
in Senator Proxmire's bill

(S. 2134) and a

number o-f

bill~

introduced in.the House.
Ou,: review of this proposal in the: light of comments

made at the hearing-suggests
three. changes.,

con~ideration

should be given to

First, industrial banks that ar.e

no~ ·:fe~erally,

insured and do not of fer .deposit accounts with checking or
other third.· party transaction c_apabili ties shquld be excluded.
Appendix B describes these. ins ti tut ions and the scope of .their
activities.
Second,

state-chartered

thrift

ins~itutions

(also .

described in Appendix B), which are not federally insur.ed and

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which would have been covered by the definition of bank
described qbove, should be encompassed within the same holding
company rules as federally insured S&Ls because of the focus of
many of

these

state

institutions on home

ins ti tut ions could be exempted

from

lending.

These

coverage by the

Bank

Holding Company Act if the relevant state regulator certified
their activities were appropriately confined.
Third, the nonfederally insured thrifts and industrial
banks that would be excluded from the coverage of the Bank
Holding Company Act should be subject to rules which would
prevent "tandem" operation -- that is, joint sale of banking or
thrift

products

or

integrated

operations

of

these

institutions with owners engaged in impermissible activities
for bank holding companies.
considerable importance,
C.

This limitation, on which we place

is explained in detail

in Appendix

Its basic objective is to prevent the kinds of tying that

are judged to be unfair or unsound for depository institutions,
including joint offering of deposit products or loans with
other products of affiliated industrial and commercial firms.
We

believe

that

Congress

should

not

exempt

the

so-called "consumer bank" from the definition of a bank.
a proposal is contained in Section 104 of
allow a
including

"consumer bank 11

to

take

transaction accounts,

all

s.

forms

Such

2181, which would
of

deposits,

and make cont:;i.une.c

loans,

as

well as a wide variety of other types of credit extensions,
including some commercial loans.

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Such

an

approach

would

permit

es~ential

industrial firms·to enter into

commercial

and

depository institution

activities.,

irici'uding access

manne~

would inevitably undermine public policy objectives

tha~

~rl~orpo~ated

to· the payments

system,

in a

in th~ Bank Holding Company Act generally,

and

''there 'would be the appearance of unfair competition ·with banks
subject ·to the Act. ·

In' such ci'rcumstances,

the

regulated

banking· sector would i nevi t-ably wither -and much of the· banking.
bus'iness would t:ake place' in institutions ,not subject to the
policy

restrictions

on

risk,

concentration of ·resources.

conflicts

of

interest,

and

The lengthening list of nonbank

bank acquisitions·dem6nstrates that we are beginning to see
that·

~igratio~

that '19%

today.

In this connection,

of 'commercial

portfolios

banks

(narrowly defined)

now

have

I

would point out

commercial

loan

equal to not, more than 5% of

assets and that 47% have 10% or less of their assets in this
form.

Thus, almost half of the number of commercial banks in

this country, could,

with· some minor restructuring of their

portfolios, conduct basically the'same activities as they do
today and escape application of the policies of

the

Bank

Holding Company Act.
Finally,· I believe competitive equa·lity requires that
the recent and current·-proliferation of nonbank banks not be
blessed by grandfatber provisions,

subject

to a

reasonable

period of time to permit divestiture where this is necessary.

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II.

Definition of Qualified Thrift
Essentially the same problems of consistency with the
a~ise

public policy objectives of the Bank Holding Company Act
when

commercial

and

industrial

firms . acquire

thrift

institutions, particularly in the light of the broader powers
provided such institutions. in recent legislation.
state

initiatives

have

provided

Indeed some

state-chartered

thrifts

essentially the full panoply of banking powers and more.

At

the same -time, there may be institutions
with no restrictions
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on the acthd ties of the· parent firm,

an ability to obtain_

long-term government-spdnsored credit, favorable
tax
treatment,
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and a freedom to bra·nch intrastate and interstate -- privileges
that are denied
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banks,

there has

~ommercial
b~en

banks.

As in the case of rionbank

increasingly clear

recognit~on

of the

need to adopt rules to assure e~uality of treat~ent o~ various
kinds

of

depository

_Qv~rlapping

powers.

institutions· .exercising

similar

or

The need for action is reflected in the

strong interest of a v.ariety of fin.ancial

and rionf inancial

businesses in the acquisition of thrifts in order to benefit
from

thrifts'

bank-like

pow~rs,

to '.gain access

to

deposit insurance, and to participate. in the paymen7s.
The Administration proposals

~ttempt

to

question by requiring all thrifts, with.certain
grandfathered service corporations, to meet the
bank holding companies.

d~al

federal
me~hanism.

with this '

exc~ptions

for

require~~"~~

of

This'appr-0ach. has been opposed mainly

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on the grounds that it is not 'necessary to apply the same rules
applicable to bank holding companies

to those thrifts that

concentrate their assets in home mortgages.
recognize these concerns, the concept of a

In an attempt ·to
"qualified thrift"

has been developed, reflected in the proposals of both Senators
Garn and P'roxmire,

to exclude t_hrifts truly specializing in

residential mortgage credit

from comparable rules

to

those

limiting the scope' of activities of bank holding companies.
We would support this general approach.

Thrifts that
publi~

meet an adequate "specialization" test rooted in the
policy concern of support

for

residential mortgage

lending _

could be owned by commerc;ial-- or in'dustr ial firms as unitary
thrifts are now. ·
In developing the specifics of such an approach, we
would

endorse

the

recommendation

of

the

FHLBB

that

an

underwriter of corporate debt and equity not be permitted to
own a thrift, whether or not it meets the qualifying assets
test.

We would also rely upon a slngle direct t~st of the

proportion

of

mortgage-backed

assets

held

securities.

in
An

residential
optional

mortgages
test

of

or

limited

commercial lending, such as not more than 25% of its assets in
certain qualifying' commercial loans;· as proposed in

s. 2181,

would leave open the ·clear possibility that ins ti tut ions not
engaged substantially in home mortgage

l~nding

would retain the

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liberal treatment with respect to permissible activities now
accorded to unitary S&Ls.

For example, with such a test,

of all commercial baqks

today could be treated as

75%

thrifts

because they have less than 25% of their assets in qualifying
commercial loans: only six

com~ercial

banks would

qual~fy

under

the 60% of assets in residential mortgages part of the dual
test of.

s.

2181.

We believe an appropriate test would require that to
be

eligible

treatment,

for

unitary. savings

and

loan holding company

institutions must devote at

least 65%

of

their

assets to residential mortgages or mortgage-backed securities.
For this purpose, mortgages would .include both 1-4 family and
multi-family dwelling mortgages,
mobile home

loans,

loans

participation interests

for

mortgage-backed

home

improvements,

in such instruments.

securities,
including

Based on this

definition, according to our calculations, almost three-fourths
of FSLIC institutions would currently meet this test.
believe

the

li~its

on

commercial

~endipg

set

We also

in

the

Garn-St Germain Act remain appropriate for federally chartered
institutions, .and

in

the

light ,of

the

much

provided by some ·States for commerci_al lendipg I

wider

powers

a supplementary

(not·optional) limit on commercial lending could be considered
for eligibility of these

state~chartered

institutions.

We recognize some S&Ls and mutual savings banks that
could not meet the qualified thrift test currently, but still
wish to emphasize home lending and who wish to retain

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privilege of "unitary" S&L treatment,
substantial period

in

which

should be permitted a

to· conform· their

During this transition period,

activities.

which could be five

to ten

years, milestones should be set in terms of measuring progress
toward

achieving

the

required

asset

composition.

While

ownership by an industrial or commercial firm could be retained
during the transition period and thereafter, we do not believe
such thrifts should be permitted to operate in "tandem" with
the parent commercial or industrial firms.
this

suggestion

ar~

outlined

language in Appendix D.

in

the

form

(The details of
of

legislative

The description of the limitations on

tandem operations is, as noted above, contained in Appendix c.)
In general,

under this approach,

those thrifts

(and

not meeting the asset te~t (or in
s
transition toward them) would generally have to conform to the
their service

corporati~ns)

limitations on ownership of,
holding companies generally.

and powers provided

to,

bank

Special tax benefits and

the

access to long-term credit from the Home Loan Banks for these
nonqualifying institutions should be reviewed.
time, methods should be

develop~d

At the same

to permit mutual institutions

to take advantage of powers permitted bank or thrift holding
companies ih stock form.
III.

Bank Holding Company Procedures
The

provisions

on

third ·core
bank

element

holding

of

cnrnpany

legislation
procedures.

is

the

s.

2181,

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s.

2134, and FIDA contain

identical provisions on

essen~ially

this point and I believe that this reflects widespread support
for procedural
These
areas:

.

~implification.

provisions

make

improvements

in

two

major

they change the present somewhat complex applications

process into a notice procedure;
cocpanies on more equal

and they put bank holding

footing with their

competitors by

changing the "benefits vs. adverse effects" test and formal
hearings

requirements.

Instead,

new

activities

could

go

forward, after notice to the Federal Reserve Board, unless the
Board found grounds for disapproval under specific statutory
criteria.

Those statutory tests include adequacy of financial

and managerial resources, protection of impartiality in the
provision of credit and avoidance of adverse effect$ on bank
safety and soundness.
The

thrust

of

reducing the scope for
intended

to

companies

reduce

by

these provisions,

a

provision

judicial review by competitors,

the burden

government

and

placed

regulation

consistent with protection of

to

upon
a

b~nk

minimum

the public policy

embodied in the specified criteria.

is

holding
level
interests

Agency procedures would

not be burdened by formal hearings and judicial review at the
instance of competitors.
of course,

Formal rulemaking procedures would,

remain _necessary before decisions

to

add

new

activities to the list of permissible holding company powers,

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and the Board could continue to request public comment on
notices and hold informal hearings, where necessary,

to obtain

information necessary to make decisions.
We also believe the new procedures set out in S. 2181,
S. 2134 and FIDA provide the Board with adequate supervisory
authority over the activities of the holding company and its
nonbank

subsidiaries

after

they

are

in

operation.

Those

procedures would emphasize the desirability of relying upon
other

regulatory

agencies,

such

as

the

Comrnod~ ty

Futures

Trading Commission in the area of commodity brokerage and the
SEC in the case of securities activities,
reporting

requirements

duplication of effort.

in

order

to

for supervisory and

avoid

unnecessary

However, the statute provides adequate

authority to take whatever regulatory or data gathering steps
that may be necessary to ensure comp! iance with

the

Bank

Holding Company Act.
My conclusion , is

that

these provisions adequately

balance the need for reducing unnecessary regulatory burdens
with the requirements for adequate supervision to enforce fully
the

provisions

of

the

Bank

Holding

Company

Act.

These

provisions seem to me ready for inclusion in. legislation.
IV.

New Activities of Bank Holding Companies
The fourth element of needed legislation is expanded

powers for holding companies.
for holding companies to:

s.

2181 provides new authority

(a) sponsor and distribute mutual

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funds

and

underwrite

and

distribute

revenue

bonds

and

mortgage-backed securities (b) engage in real estate brokerage
and

development,

underwriting,

(c) provide

insurance

brokerage

(d) own a thrift institution,

and

and

(e) take part

in other Services of a financial nature.
Considerations of competitive equality and potential
benefits

to consumers of a

financial

broader range

of

suppliers

of

services strongly suggest a presumption broadening

the range of powers permitted bank holding companies.

The

point is reinforced by technological developments that enhance
the options in the delivery of such services.
stressed at

the outset,

However,

those objectives must

against other public policy concerns:

be

as I

balanced

assurance of fair and

open competition in the provision of credit and other services,
maintenance of impartiality of banks in credit judgments,

and

avoidance of practices that can undermine the strength of the
bank itself.

Balancing these objectives is surely the most

difficult task before you.
Certain of the proposed activities,

including those

involving essentially "agency" activities, such as real estate
and

insurance brokerage,

soundness.
development,

In

certain

much

more

raise few questions
other

areas,

significant

of

safety and

such

as

real

risks

to

the

estate
holding

company, and potentially to the bank itself, arise.

Questions

about conflicts of interest and tying for

of

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number

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activities have been discussed in detail by the witnesses that
have preceded me in recent weeks.
Review of comments made d_uring these hearings . and
other information has suggested a number of areas in which the
Committee might bridge differences by
earlier proposals.

mod~fying

or

limiting

In particular, we have attempted to address

carefully the safety and soundness and the competitive fairness
considerations

that

agreement on a

subst~ntial

powers.

appear

to stand

in

broad~ning

the

way of broad

of bank holding company

In my testimony today I would like to review each of

the categories of

propos~d

new activities in light of those

considerations.
(a)

Securities Activities -

Underwriting Municipal

Revenue Bonds and Mortgage-backed Securities,

and Sponsoring

and Distributing Mutual Funds
Both S. 2181 and S. 2134 would authorize bank holding
companies to underwrite municipal revenue bonds .and similar
instruments and to sponsor .and distribute mutual funds.
Board

supports

both

of

these

activities,

based

on

The
a

considerable period of experience with bank underwriting of
general obligation bonds

a~d

managing trust

~ssets.

The Board

believes that these activities involve a manageable degree of
risk

for

ban~ing

substantial

gain

orgaf?-izations and
for

customers

in

·-:;,:;>rv ices and lo"wer costs.

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there
terms

is potential
of a

for

variety of

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At the same time, bank performance of these services
has been opposed because of several concerns.

One line of

concern

by a

suggests

that

the

provision of

credit

bank

affiliate, or guarantees of underwritten obligations by bank
affiliates,

would

affiliated

provide

underwriters,

Underwriting

and

loan

a

distinct

or

that

bUSineSS

advantage

to

temptations

W0Uld

potential detriment of the bank or

be

its

to

Strong I

bank
link

tO

customers.

the
It

is

alleged that investment flows might be influenced by the bank's
interests, or that poor investment or underwriting performance
/

by a holding company affiliate might reflect adversely on the
bank itself.

account

We approach

these arguments with some care

of

that

securities

the
is

fact
not

bank

proposed

and

underwri ti~g
of

of

the. ·rather
.

taking

corporate
successful

coexistence of bank affiliated and independent underwriters of

municipal

general

obligation bonds.

S. 2134 already contain a

s.

Moreover,

2181

and

number of provisions specifically

designed -to· promote competitive equity and

limit

risk

to

affiliated.banks.
Those

bills

already

require

activities of the holding company,

that

all

including

securities

its s-ubsidiary

banks, be conducted in a separate holding company affiliate.
The affiliate must

be

separatel'y capitalized

in

a

manner

comparable to similar firms not affiliated with a bank holding

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company.

The present rules contained in sect ion 23A of the

Federal Reserve Act and the proposed new section 23B would
limit intercompany transactions and require that they be on·
market

terms.

All

these

provisions

provide

fundamental

protections against conflicts of interest and unequal tax and
regulatory treatment.
0

Nevertheless,

a

cautious approach

in this area

is

justified and a number of suggestions proposed by others to
assure

compet~tive

attention.

Thus,

equity

and

avoid

conflicts

deserve

it may be reasonable to prohibit a

bank

holding company's securities or investment company· affiliate
from using the name of an affiliated bank or bank holding
company

(in

the

interest

of

appropriate

disclosure,

an

indication of company affiliation.should be permissible}.
may also be desirable
employees

of

a

to

securities

require

that

affiliate

or

the

officers

investment

It

and

company

advisor be separate from those that operate an affiliated bank,
and that information on the financial activities bf the bank's
customers not be made available to the securities affiliate and
vice versa.

Banks might ·be prohibited from guaranteeing or

providing letters of credit to support obligations that are
underwritten by a securities affiliate.
·so far as mutual

funds are concerned,

provisions of the Investment Company Act,
applicable

suggestions

..,..

above,

appear

the existing

together with the

generally adequate

to

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assure

independent

investment

judgment.

However,

those

provisions could be reviewed to determine if any other special
provisions are necessary to assure independence from the bank
affiliate.
I

have noted

in earlier

testimony a

trend

toward

conglomerates of financial services, and toward the explicit or
implicit

tying of

conglomerates
equality,

I

not

various

financial

including banks.

believe that

products
To

by

assure

restrictions of

the

financial

competitive
kind

I

have

described above, .if adopted, would need to be accompanied by
provisions

giving

the

Board

certain

discretion

in

their

application should nonbank conglomerates develop combinations
of services prohibited bank holding companies.
Questions have also arisen over bank holding
participation in brokerage services.

~ompany

. The Federal Reserve,

you know, has permitted "discount" brokerage -- that is,
passive provision of b:c:okerage
adv_ice -.- under present law.
court challenge,
for

services

Because that

the

further

question

combining such services with
provid~ng

a

ruling

the

investment
is

under

we believe it should be explicitly provided

in, the proposed legislation.

howeve,r I

without

as

Qf

You may wish to review,
the

appropriateness

investment advice -- that

Of
is,

full . range of brokerage services -- within the

framework of a bank holding company.

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The
innovations

mortgage
in

techniques.
and are

market

communications

is

being

transformed

techno~ogy

and

in

by

marke,ting

Banking organizations are major mortgage lenders

familiar

with the credit analysis

and have other

expertise, necessary to establish mortgage _pools and evaluate
the underlying risks of the constituent elements in the pool.
They can already underwrite mortgage bonds guaranteed by the
government or sold by
What

government-relat~d

agencies.

is at issue here is whether a bank affiliate

should be permitted to underwrite private securities.

Should
·. . .
the authority be confined to securities backed by 1-4 family
(

mortgages,
Risks

potential

and conflicts

participation

in

risks
of

would be suJ:>stant ially defused.

interest

underw~.i ting

in

in

bank holding

company

those circumstances would

appear to be manageable within the confines of the anti-tying
rules already contai?ed in present law and in

s.

2181.

As in

other areas, however, questions of competitive equity have been
raised,

particularly in view of the ability of depository
•

institution

}?-olding. compan.ies

- J

to _provide,

t~rough

their

subsidiary banks, guarantees or letters of credit to support
. :
.
'.
.
'
mortgag~ pools , e~taJ::>.lished and
underwritten by securities
affiliates.
of

The appropriateness of combining those two aspects

f~nancing

In

services could be re-examined.
summary,

..

we

believe

adequate

techniques

are

available to satisfy
legitimate concerns about bank holding
~

• .'

,

•

I

l

I

0

:'

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company activity in the securities area,
security

underwriting

remains

so long as corporate

prohibited.

The

potential

benefits to competition and in terms of reducing underwriting
costs, in these circumstances, point to action along the lines
proposed by the Administration,

and by Senators Garn and

Proxmire.
(b)

Real Estate Brokerage and Development
.,

As I

suggested earlier,

the main issue in providing

authority for bank holding companies to engage in real estate
brokerage is not risk but potential conflicts of interest and
I

•

problems of competitive equity.

It has been suggested that the

ability of a bank holding company real estate broker t6 offer
assured bank

financing,

or

even the

impression

that

such

assured financing is available because of the ownership tie
between affiliated broker and bank lender, could be sufficient
to divert business away from the independent and

toward

the

bank or thrift affiliated broker.
'

..

As with the case of securities affiliates, limitations

'

on the holding company broker using the· same name a·s
holding company or

its

.

the

'

subsidiary bank,

strengthening

already strict rules against explicit or implicit tying,

the
and

enhancing enforcement through providing a private ri'ght ·of·
action,

could provide considerable protection agai'~~t- ab~se.

Possibly,

a

further step could be taken 1:-y prohibiting any

mortg~ge loans by a subsidiary bank or thrift' of a depcis i tory

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1

hold{ng company to a'ny customer of an affilia't ed ·real estate
brokerage firm.
It
fair

should

not

be

.
to limit i'oans by.

necessary

nor
'

a holding

would

it

seem

'

company mortgage banking
,

subsidiary

to

the

customers

of

the

affiliated

broker.

No~de~osi tory firms are today p~r~f tted t6 c·o~bine ownership of·
brokerage

and

mortgage

banking

subsidiaries.

Of

appropriate supervisory steps would' and could be

course,
taken

to

prevent reciprocal lending arrangements or other steps to evade
this limitation.
Smaller banks, without mortgage banking subsidiaries,
might be .. put in a difficult competitive position -by such a
.
.
Consequently, such an approach might. ·be
limitation:
accompanied ·by an

.

exemption

for ,smaller banks,
.

reasonably

'

related to· a relative unavailability of competfrig broke'rage
I

•

It should be possible,

services.
analogy to

pro.visfons

of

Title VI

for

instance,

of

the

to draw an

Garn-St Germain
•

c

Depository Institutions Act of 1982, which permits bank holding
companies

to offer

insurance br.okerage .servi'ces where

they

would other~ise be impermissibl~ ii their c~n~olidated assets
were $50 million or less, or in towns

of

i.i~ae·r

5, 000,'

provided

a brokerage affiliate is required to permit or encourage a home
purchaser to explore other possible sources of credit.
Technology is providing both independent brokers and
those now associated with financial and retail conglomerates

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with almost

in~tant

access to an array of

provide~~

credit, enabling their customers to compare
conditions.

In

these

circumstances,

term~

real

of mortgage

ahd

estatfi,! brokerage

appears to be an area in which bank holding companies can draw
on

relevant

experience,

undertake

little

additjonal

risk

(particularly if tie-ins are avoided), and increase competitive
outlets.
In my past
expressed

serious

appear~nces

concern -about

before this
the

Com~i·ttee,

potential

risks

I have
and

conflicts for bank holding companies under the ?eneral .rubric
of "real estat~ development."

Those concerns rem~in.

Presen:t proposals deal with those risks py limiting
the capital a bank holding company could apply to real estat.e
development
activity
limiting

activities

or

by

prohibiting

construction

limitations which should be reinforced by also
the

·subsidiary.
(a)- conf.ining

leverage
I

would
"real

g~

of

the

real

estate

d~vel~pment

further 1?Y urging you to consider:

estat~

development"

to

passi~e

equity

participation in. projects. or developments managed by others,
and (b) limiting bank loans to projects sponsored by affiliates
of a bank holding company.

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·The - first change would be consistent with what we
understane to be the basic objective _of most bank holding
companies in the .r._eal estate development area -- to part,icipate
in the potential·benefits accruing only to equity participants
in a real estate project.

To achieve this goal, the rather·

broad scope·· of ·the authorization for real estate development
activities contained in FIDA or•

s.

2181 could well be narrower;

for example,· participation could. be confined to

investment

vehicles such as nonvoting common stock, preferred stock, or
limited partnership interests.
Some of :those·testifying have expressed concern about
the competitive and

~isk

implications of a bank, as lenderi

participating i~-a project in which an.affiliate has an equity
interest·.
be.~

They suggest that a bank _in those circumstances will

-willing to- extend credit and to carry a weaker credit

longer to .one of its

•own• projects,

and perhaps be less ·

willing to extend· credit t·o competing projects, than if no
equity interest _is_ involved.

To deal with- this situation,- it.

might -be useful to provide the Board with clear discretionary

.

authority to impose an aggregate or particular .limitation on
loans by a bank to

project~

affiliate is an equity
(c)

in which a bank .,real estate

patticip~nt;

Insurance Brokeraga and Underwriting

Insurance brokerage by bank holding companies, as is·
the case with real estate brokerage, does not involve-major·

-24-

issues of risk; rather·the focus of the testimony has been on
assuring competitive equity between bank affiliated brokers and
independent

,

distributors

of

insurance

products.

Thrift

institutions already, have unlimited authority to engage in
insurance brokerage, and the broadening of this activity for
bank holding companies should provide competitive benefits so
long as abuse of the bank relationship is avoided.

s. 2181, in Section 107,
provisions that· attempt
inequity problems.
inform their
products

to

contains a number of new

reduce

tying and competitj.ve

It would 1 for example, require banks to

customers of· the· availability of

elsewhere,

allow

customers

purchasing

insurance
insurance

products from bank holding subsidiaries an adequate opportunity
to reject their contracts, and prohibit banks and their holding
companies from offering, insurance until the customer is given a
commitment that credit will be extended.

It does not seem

practically feasible to go much further in this area without
destroying

completely

the

ability

of

holding

organizations· to participate in this activity.

company
We would,

however,· suggest that to the extent· Congress deems these
provisions

necessa·ry

when

financial

institutions

sell

insurance, they .should also be· applied to thri.ft institutions
and their holding , companies, which are permitted to broker·
insurance without restrictions such as contained in Title VI of
the Garn-St Germain Act.

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'

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-25-

Consideration
appro~ches

could

also

be

given

possible

parti~i~ation

for phasing in greater bank

insurance brokerage area.

to

in the

·Again, it might be useful to build

upqn Title VI of the Garn-St Germai~ ~ct, which permits bank
holding company participation ln

insuranc~

brokerage

activi~ies

in CaSeS Where the holding:. Company IS COnSOlidated aSSetS are
$50 mill ion or ·1ess, in towns of · 5; 00 O or fess, or otherwise
where the holding company demonstrates that existing insurance
agency ·facilities

are

inadequate.

For

instance,

those
.

.

1 imi t'ations might .. be gradually increased by some amount over
time up to a limit,

~hich

w6uld provide an occasion for

f~rther

Congressional review. ·
If

b~nk

underwri'ting,

holding companies are permiited to engage in

careful attention will 'have to be given ·to

containing risk, avoiding· concentration of resources.· and more
subtle ·conflicts ·of interest~ · For ·"example,'. there may· be
particular lines of insutance underwriting that raise issues of
risk that require special s~feguards and fimitations 'ori such
· matters

·~as

amount of capital investment.·

Moreover,

I have

,

'

earlier suggested that banks not be permitted to lend to
companies in which their holding company affiliates had very
substantial equity interests.
·In order to 1 imi t the poten·t ial for concentration of
.

-

resm1rce's associated with large bank holding companies
acquiring large insurance firfus or vic~'versa,

~

. ,;

s:

2181 would

-26-

nonb~n~ing

limit bank holding company investment in

activities

to not more t.han. 25% of tl)e holding company's capital if the
holding company's consplidated assets amount to
of total domestic deposits.

However, our

~ore

than 0.3%

of the data

revie~

indicates that this test does not effectively limit the

abi~ity

of some of the_ largest bank holding companies to acquire
control of some
I

~f

the largest insurance

companie~.

recognize that our attempt to

test of that kind must be arbitrary at

a numerical

devis~

th~

However, an

marqi~.

alternative-approach could be to provide specific criteria on
.

'

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..

~

'

............. -:~ ·- -

the size .o_f bank holding company participation in insurance
underwriting

and

insurance

underwriter

participation

in

banking.. '!his could be done by requiring 'that bank holding
en~er

companies
r~latively

insurance underwriting de !!.2Y.Q. or through

small

acquisitions.

Similarly,

underwriters would also be ,confined ,to

acquisition pf banks.
concentrati~n

participants,
experience

issues

~

.

insur~rice.

~

or foothold

This . approach would. deal with
and

the.~oard,

'

it. would
,

provide

time

for

the
the

and state insurance regulators to gain

in dealing· with combined insurance and banking

entities.
An· alternative approach
hol~ing.

would be

to

expand bank

co!Jtpany participation in insurance unde,rwriting in

directions. t_hat flow naturally from existing bank
For example,. it. would seem appropriate

for

bank

fun~tions.

ho_.lding

-27-

companies to participate in insuring or guaranteeing the credit
risk in home mortgages and in real estate title insurance.
Dollar

limits

casualty
company

on

insurance
nonbank

experience,

individual

underwr~tten.

policies

affiliates

Congress

credit-related

could
th~n

could

be

property

by

bank

consider

holding

After

lifted.

other

and

some

areas

of

insurance underwriting activity that might be appropriate as
part o( a

g~adu~l

evolution of bank holding company insurance

underwriting.
(d)

s.

·Ownership of Thrifts
2181 specifically permits bank holding companies to

acquire FSLIC insured: thrifts,

subject to the same kind of

limitations
on .interstate
acquisitions as are written in the
'
.
~

Douglas Amendment and the same kind of branching restrictions
on the acquired thrift as are contained in the McFadden Act.
The Board has supported bank holding company acquisition of
thrift

institutions _as

presently
howev~r,

authorized

~easonable

a

scope

ext ens-ion

of . acti v:i ties.

We

of

their

recognize,

that acquisition of thrifts by bank holding companies

on an interstate basis may, in ,some situations,

not be fully

consistent with the .prohibition op interstate banking contained
in the Douglas Amendment •. The_ Board has indicated its views
that

Congress

should,

in

the

future, . address

the

overall

question of interstate banking in comprehensive legislation.
However, pending Congressional action on the overall question,

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the Board believes it is
McFadden

type

proposed in

s.

limitations on

s.

(e)

rea~onable

to incorporate Douglas and

thrift acquisitions

that are

2181.
Financial Services

2181

"services of a

authorizes holding companies
financial

na·ture.

11

to engage

in

This provision provides

useful flexibility for the Board· to deal with uncertain and
unknown

circumstances

in

the

future.

We

recommend · its

inclusion in legislation.
The decision of Congress.pn the inclusion or exclusion
of the various activities .that have been discussed ab'ove will
provide some guidance on .the' intended scope of this

provision~

Additional guidance would be desirable with respect to'other
activities that the Congress might consider to' be within the
scope of this authorization.

v.

Activities of State-Chartered Banks
· Much

concern

has

been

expressed

about

possible

authorizations to state-chartered banks of new authorities ·to
conduct nonbanking businesses that would not be permitted to
bank holding companies under present or new federal "law_s.

It

is reasonable to ask the question wh.ether it makes· sen~e for
the Congress to work out carefully balanced arrangemeri;ts for
the ~onduct of nonbanking activiti~s of bank holding·companies
only

to

see

far

different

and

inconsistent · arrangements

established for state banks .under state law.•

-

-~ ·~·

.

,,. ~ '

·.

-29-

Some states have adopted, and others are considering,
legislation to authorize state-chartered banks to engage in
insurance, securities, and real'es~ate d~velopment actlvities;
and others have authorized state-chartered thrifts to engage in
virtually unlimited activities.

Last

year,

South· Dakota

authorized st.:-ate.:.cnartered banks to engage in insurance-related
activities essentially in all of the states of the Union except
South Dakota.

The states are- motivated in part by a desire to

make their financial

insti~utions

competitive with those in

other states and in part by a desire to obtain new employment
and revenues· -- inevitably at ·the ·expense of others.
process gains momentum,

more and

more stat'es will

As the
feel

themselves forced, in self-defense, to take similar steps.
threat is' obvious

The

any sense of Congressional or federal

control over the evolution of the banking and financial

syste~

will be lost.

s.

2181

attempts

to

deal

with

this

problem

by

requiring that insurance activities be conducted in the state
and outside· the state on the same terms.
considerably further

by

requiring

that

s. 2134 would go
states

may

only

authorize activities for state-chartered banks to be conducted
within· the state and for residents o·f that state.
In the-light of current developments, it now appears
desir'able to g'o somewhat

s.

213·4, 'while

st i 11

further 'than the provisions of

maintaining

flexibility

for

state

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experimentation

and

innovation.

In - balancing , these

considerations, perhaps it is desirable to.distinguish between
those

activitie~

that Congress may decide to prohibit or limit

for banking organizations because - of

and soundness

s~fety

problems, and those that arise from conflicts of interest that
are

particularly important

for

the

protection

of

local

customers.
For example, if Congress
reaffirms its decision
to
,
'
exclude

banking

underwriting
participation

organizations

corporate debt
of

these

from

and

participating

equity, .and

organizations

in

limits

real

in
the

estate

development, it would not .seem to be desirable for the states
to.have the authority to

overrul~ .th~

judgment of Congress and

expose the insured depository system to the greater risks of
these activities.

On the other hand, if Congress decides not

to· authorize real estate or insurance brokerage because of
reasons of consumer protection and competitive equity, it would
not seem inconsistent with t,he federal interests if state
legislatures authorize banking organizations to participate in
these activities within the confines of their own state.

Here

the state may be in the best position to make the judgment
about what is necessary to protect· local customers and. local
interests.
Thus, the balance between federal and state interest
could

be struck

as

follows:

states . may

not

authorize

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Cop9~ess

activities that

soundness reasons:
activities
borders.

but

has ruled out' of bound$ for safety and

the states

onJy

if

they

optionally authorize other

~ay

are

conducted

We WOl:Jld be prepared to assist

within

their

the Committee

in

drafting suqh a provision.
Other Provisions of S. 2181
My comments . today have focuseg

s.

2181 as

I

believe it

is

th~t

Title

priority attention of the Congress.

remarks, I would

l~ke

that

requires

the record.

in Appendices

to be

Before my concluding

int~~~tate

banking •. ,

Title X provides specific authority,
for states to authorize regional

acquisitions.

the

to comment specificall¥ qn the provisions

contained in Title X on regional

period,

of

Detailed comments on a

number of other Titles are _contained
submitted separately for

only on Title I

Such legislation would

for a

inter~tate

pr~~u~~~~y

question of the cons ti tutionali ty of.- re.g~<;?nc~.!
. -'

number of other areas of the country.

~~ve

banking

:r;·esolve the

~~:rangements

~

have been authorized in New England and

five-year

that

been proposed in a

Yesterday,

approved two bank holding company mergers under
arrangements of Massachusetts and Connecticut.

·th~

the Board
reciprocal

Although there

is a strong ar_gument that these state laws are not cons.i_stent
with

the

prohibitions

against

~~~~@~s

discriminatory
~

on

interstate commerce established by the Commerce Q!euse of the
,, 1!1• ....

Constitution,

I

1,_

.:

there is an absence of c ..;_~~r and

unequivocal

-32-

evidence to that effect.

Consequently, the Board proceeded on

the assumption of constitutionality and appl.ied the criteria of
the Bank Holding Company Act.
constitutional

interpretations

But plainly,

the differing

raised by parties

to merger

applications demonstrates the need for Congressional action to
clarify this issue at this time.
We believe this is all the more important because of
our

concern about

banking areas.

the permanent establishment of resional

If Congress should decide to endorse regional

arrangements, in our view it would be desirable to limit them
to a transitional period.

We would also urge you to consiger

the interstate banking question more broadly at an early date,
once the powers issues are settled.
Conclusion
I cannot emphasize strongly enough the urgent need for
definitive Congressional action on the legislation now before

you

during

postponed

the

current

session~

Decisions .cannot

be

the failure to act only means that others have

acted and will continue to act, to markedly restructure the
financial system without the participation of the Congress.
These

actions,

arising

out

of

market

initiatives,

state

legislation, court decisions and new federal

~~gul~tory

are pushing at the outer boundaries of the

lec;rnJ. framework

established by Congress for the banking and
In my

ju~gment,

finq~Gial

they are pushing beyond the bc;ti;1iq

rules,

~¥~~ems.

poliqi~s

-33-

established by the Congresa in setting out a broad distinction
between banking and commerce.
I am not speaking about theoretical

The

of the Bank Holding Company Act against excessive

poli~ies

risk,

concerns~

conflicts

of

interest,

impartiality

in

the ·

credit-granting process, and concentration of resources have
long been considered essential parts of our financial system.
They are now being undermined by a haphazard pattern of
inter-industry

and

combinations of

interstate

banking~ -

acquisitions

and

by

new

securities, insurance and commercial

products.
The Bank Holding company and Glass-Steagall Acts were
intended to prevent- combinations of firms that underwrite
securities

and

take

deposits.

Yet

today

there

are

32 securities firms that own so-called nonbank banks which can
perform many of the essential functions of banks.

Court and

regulatory decisions are-opening new avenues for bank holding
companies

to

undertake securities

functions without clear

legislative guidance.
The Bank Holding Company Act was intended to prevent
combinations of commercial or industrial firms from owning
banks,

ye~

today

ther~

are

retailers,

diversified

industrial-commercial conglomerates, and insurance firms that
own either nonbank banks or thrifts with banking powers.

-34-

The states

are

considering and adopting

rapid~y

legislation granting state-chartered banks powers that, in some
cases, have not even been contemplated under federal law for
banks and bank holding companies,

in _large part reflecting

inter-state competition for jobs and tax revenue rather than
any judgment of the national interest in a stable banking
structure.
The federal financial regulators are also pressing
against the·outer boundaries
Board has adopted

~he

o~

their delegated authority.

The

broadest definition of the term bank it

felt feasible under existing law in an effort to carry out what
it believes to be Congressional intent and to preserve the
ability of Congress to act without being faced with a fait
accompli.

That action is being challenged in the courts with,

thus far,

unfavorable results.

The SEC has before it a

proposal to consider banks as broker-dealers when they engage
in discount brokerage, despite the
securities laws
regulation.

becau~e

ex~lusion

of banks from the

of the comprehensive system of bank

Under existing law, the FDIC is considering the

question of whether state non-member banks should be authorized
by regulation to underwrite corporate qebt and
long-presumed

Congre~sional

intent

banking.and corporate underwriting.

to

eq~ity,

despite

separate. commercial

The Comptroller has before

it a well-known proposal to authorize a family of •nonbank•
national banks in 25 states.

We have been compelled to approve

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the establishment by a· New York bank holding company of a
nonbank bank in Florida, which would take demand deposits but
not make commercial loans as we have broadly defined them.
As things now stand, many of these specific issues
will be decided on a case-by-case basis in the courts -- but we
cannot expect those decisions

to be guided by a

policy

perspective on how the financial system as a whole should
evolve.

That, in the end, is the task of the legislature, not

of

courts

the

which

must

struggle

circumstances to yesterday's laws.-

to

adapt

today's

Until all of us -- the

regulators, the banks, other competing industries, and the
courts -- have more Congressional guidance, every new decision
will be subject to legal challenge.
If Congress does not decide, decisions will still be
made.

But they seem certain to be conf 1 ict ing, and not fit

into a coherent whole.

One clear risk is that the overriding

public interest in a strong, stable, and competitive financial
system will be lost.
The time for

action is here.

Many elements of

comprehensive legislation are already broadly accepted.

I

believe the remaining elements and the necessary compromises
can be put together soon.

I hope and believe this Committee

can be the vehicle for moving ahead.

* * * * * * * *

TABLE OF APPENDICE8
A.

ownership of Nonbank Banks

s.

Activiti~s

of Industrial Banks and Privately Insured

Savings and Loan Associations

c.

Limits on Tandem Operation&

D.

Amendments to the National Housing Act to establish a
Qualifying Test

for

the

Holding Compdny Exemption

•

Unitary Savings

and

Loan

APPENDIX A

OWNERSHIP OF NONBANK BANKS

1.

Securities firms (32).
firm~.

are owned by securities

Most of the nonbank banks

At least 32 securities firms

own nonbank banks, including major firms such as E.F. Hutton,
Prudential-Bache,

Shearson/American Express,. Merrill

Lynch,

Management & Research co., Marsh & McLennan, Drexel

Fid~lity

Burnham Lambert, and

J~

&

w.

Seligman.

Although some of these
•

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#

,

•

nonbank banks are state chartered trust companies that do not
accept demand deposits and that have been organized to perform
trust services to the

pa~ent

organization, a number of other

nonbank banks owned by .securities firms do engage in demand
deposit taking and consumer- lending (e.g_.,
Bank).

.

..
2.

..!.§1_.

Dreyfus Consumer

Diversified financial and industrial conglomerates

A number of companies engaged in diversified commercial

and industrial activities also have acquired nonbank

including

Gulf

& Western

Industries

(movies,

banks,

commercial

finance, etc. ): , Avco Corp. (manufacturing of aircraft engines,
electronics, thrift and finance companies), Control Data Corp.
(data

processing,

(automobile

finance

manufactur~),

companies),

Chrysler

.Corp.

Parker Pen Company (manufacturing,

insurance, and thrift companies), and Automated Data Processing
(data processing).

•

f~

_....

-2-

3.

Other

financial

services

organizations

(9).

Nonbank banks also have been acquired by organizations that
- off er a wide range of financial services, such as Household
Finance Corporation and Beneficial Corporation, and Bradford
National Corp.
Citizens

and some bank hold fng

Fidelity,

Comerica,

and

U.S.

companies,

Tiust

such as

Corporation.

Norwalk savings Bank, Anchor savings Bank, Greater Providence
Deposit C6rporation, and Teachers

servi~e

Corporation also own

nonbank banks.
4.

Insurance

c~mpanies

(3).

Several

insurance

companies have .acquired nonbank- banks, including Prudept ial,
. Travelers, and Mutual Benefit Life Insurance Co. · Aetna has
withdrawn its application to acquire a nonbank bank.
5.

Retail cor.ipanies .(3).

Retail companies also have

acquired nonbank banks, including McMahan Valley Stores, and
J.C. Penney Company.

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,

I

NONBANK BANKS*
- Acquired/
Formed

Parent Company

Bank
CALIFORNIA

American Pacific Corp.,
.Irvine, California

application
denied

1.

American Pacific Natl. Bank
& Trust co., Newport Beach

2.

Associates National Bank,
Concord

Gulf & Western Corp.,
New York, New York

1980

3.

Avco National Bank,
Anaheim

Avco Corp.,,
Greenwich, Connecticut

1982

4.

Capital Guardian Trust Co.,
Los Angeles

The Capital Group Inc.,
Los Angeles, Californii

1968

s.

Pacific securities Depository
Trust co., San Francisco

Pacific coast Stock
Exchange, San Francisco,
California

1974

6.

Security Trust Co.,
Los AngelP.s

Bradford National Corp.,
New York, New York

1981

7.

Trust Services of America
Inc., Los Angeles

Calif. Federal Savings &
Loan Association,
Los Angeles, California

1982

8.

Valley National Bank
of Salinas '

Household International,
Prospect Heights, Illinois

1981

9.

western Family Bank N.A.,
Carlsbad

McMahan Valley Stores,
Carlsbad, Calif6rni~

1982

COLORADO
10.

Resources Trust Co.,

Englewood

_ I~tegrated Resources Inc.,

1983

New York, New York

CONNECTICUT
11.

Citizens National Bank,
Fairfield

Norwalk savings Bank,
Norwalk, Connecticut

* In addition, Dimension Financial_ Corporation has filed
applications to charter 31 national banks in 25 states.

1983

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Bank

Parent Company

Acquired/
Formed

DELAWARE
12.

Beneficial National Bank
(USA), Wilmington

Beneficial Corp.,
Wilmington, Delaware

1983

13.

Colonial National Bank,
Wilmington

Teachers Service
Organization,
Willow Grove, Pennsylvania

1982

14.

Delaware Charter Guarantee
& Trust Co., Wilmington

Corporation Service co.,
Wilmington, Delaware

1977

First National Bank

commercial credit corp.,
Baltimpre, Maryland

1983

l~.

·Of Wilmington

16.

E.F. Hutton Trust Co.,
Wilmington

E.F. Hutton Group Inc.,
New York, New York

1983

17.

E.F. Hutton Bank,
Wilmington

E.F. Hutton Group Inc.,
New York, New York

1983

18.

First National Bank of
Harrington, Harrington

J.C. Penney Company, Inc.,
New York, New York

1983

Principals of the
Templeton Group of mutual
funds, Nassau, Bahamas

1983

FLORIDA
19.

· 20.

Templeton Management &
Trust Co. N.A., Ft.
Lauderdale
U.S. Trust Company of
Florida, N.A. Palm Beach

-· ·u. s. Trust corporation

1984

·New York, New York

GEORGIA
21.

Capital City Bank,
Hapeville

· Prudential-Bache
securities Inc.,
New York, New York

1983

ILLINOIS
22.

Chicago Title & Trust Co.,
Chicago

Lincoln National Corp.,
Fort Wayne, Indiana

1979

23.

Midwest securities
Trust co.,-Chicago

Midwest stock Exchange,
Chicago, Illinois
·

1973

24.

Washington National Trust
Co., Evanston

Washington National corp.

1975

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Bank

Parent Company

Acquired/
Formed

HARYLAND
~5.

T. Rowe Price Trust Co.,
Baltimore

T. Rowe Price & Associates
Inc., Baltimore, Maryland

MASSACHUSETTS
26.

Boston Safe Deposit
& Trust co.

Shearson/American Express
Inc., New York, New York

1981

27.

Investors Bank & Trust Co.,
Boston

Eaton & Howard, Vance
Sanders Inc., Boston,
Massachusetts

1969

28.

Fidelity Management Trust
co., Boston

Fidelity Management &
Research co.,
Boston, Massachusetts

1981

29.

Marsh & McLennan Trust co.,
Boston

Marsh & McLennan Inc.,
New York, New York

1983

30.

Massachusetts co.,
Boston

Travelers Corp.,
Hartford, Connecticut

1969

31.

Trust Management Bank,
Boston

Rollert & Sullivan Inc.,
Boston, Massachusetts

1983

32.

Wellington Trust co.
of Boston NA

Wellington Management
Co./Thorndike, Doran,
Paine & Lewis,
Boston, Massachusetts

1982

Chrysler Corp., Inc.
Detroit, Michigan

1981

Investors Diversified
Services Inc.,
Minneapolis, Minnesota;

1979

MICHIGAN
33.

Automotive F,inancial
Services, Inc., Highland
Park

MINNESOTA
34.

IDS Trust Co.,
Minneapolis

-4-

Bank

-Acquired/
Formed

Parent Comp_any

MI::iSOURI
35.
NEw

Investors Fiduciary Trust
Co., Kansas City

DS1' Inc.,
Kansas City, Missouri

1972
I,

liAMPSHI~E

36.

Fidelity Bank & Trust Co.,
Salem

Fidelity Management &
Research Corp.,
Boston, Massachusetts

1983

37.

First Deposit National Bank,
Tilton

Parker Pen co.,
Janesville, Wisconsin

1981'

City Federal Savings &
Loan Assn., Elizabeth,
New Jersey
_
Drexel Burnham La.mbert
Group Inc.,
New York, New Yor~

1975

NEW JERSEY
JS.

City Trust
Elizabeth

39.

Drexel •.rrust
Paramus

40.

Dreyfus Consumer Bank,
t:ast <Jrdnge

Dreyfus Corp.,
New York, New-York

1983

41.

Merrill Lynch Bank & Trust.
Co., Plainsboro Township

Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc.,
New York, New York

1984

1972

Se~vices

N.A.,

-~o.,

'1983

NEW YO.RK
42.

Bradford Trust co.,
New York

Bradford National Corp.,
New York, New York

43.

Brown Brothers Harriman
Trust co., New York

Brown Brothers, Harriman
& co·. I New York' 'New Y,ork

44.

National Trust Company,
White Plains

Automated Data Processing,
Inc.

1983

4S.

Depository Trust Co.
of New York, New York

New York Stock Exchange
and other users

1973

46.

Dreyfus National Bank
& Trust co., New York

Dreyfus Corp.,
New York, New York

1983

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Acquired/
Formed

' Parent Company._
Fidelity Management &
Research Corp.,
Boston, Massachusetts~

47.

Fidelity National Bank
& Trust co., New York

48.

savings Bank Trust co.',
New York

'.•

~

49.

J. &
co.,

w.

\

. .

"

..

I'

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1933

'1''•

J. & W. Seligman &
New York, New York

Trust,'

York

'

Mutual savings banks of
i~ew York State

'

·~

~eligman

Ne'tl

l

1984

·· ·

'1982

Co.~

NORTH CAROLINA

so.

Manning & Napier Trust ·
Co. Inc.

Manning & Napier·Advisors,
Inc., New York, New York
'

I

OHIO
51.

.'

'I

The Ohio co.· trust ..
department,,
. Columbus
.
'

~

._r

I

'

J

The Ohio co.,
Columbus, Ohio

·1976

{

52.

Citizens ~ideiity·i6hio),.
N.A., Cincinnati

Citizens Ffdeli ty
...
Corporation, Louisville,
Kentucky

1983

53.

Comerica Bank-Midwest,
N. A. , Toledo

Comerica, Incorporated
Detroit, Michigan

1983

Columbia Management co.,
Portland, Oregon

1980

OREGON
54.

Columbia Trust Co.,
Portlana

PENNSYLVANIA
55.

Philadelphia Depository
Trust co., Philadelphia

Philadelphia Stock
Exchange

1979

5o.

Vanguard Fiduciary Trust
co., Valley Forge

Vanguard Group of Investment Cos., Valley Forge,
Pennsylvania

1982

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Parent Company

liank

Acquired/
Formed

RHODE ISLAND
~7.

Mutual Benefit Trust co.,
Providence

Mutual Benefit Life
Insurance co.,
Newark, New Jersey

1983

58.

Great Providence Trust co.,
Providence

Greater Providence Deposit
Corporation, Providence,
Rhode Island

1971

American Investment Bank
N.A., Salt Lake City

Leucadia National Corp.,
New York, New York

1983

UTAH
59.

V/ASHINGTON
60.

Frank Russell Trust Co.,
Tacoma

Frank Russell Co. Inc.,
Tacoma, Washington

1980

61.

savings ~an~ _Tius~~o.
Northwest, Seattle •

Shearson/American Express
Inc., New York, New York

1970

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.
APPENDIX B

,,

ACTIVITIES OF INDUST.RIAL BA'.NKS AND
PRIVATELY INSURED SAVINGS AND LOAN ASSOCIATIONS
.. ,

A.

Industrial Banks

Historically,
Morris

Plari

banks

consumer-ori'ented
installment

industrial banks

or' industrial
institutions

credit

loan

(also referred to as
companies)

that · enga.ged

to consumers 'and

that

in

were

extending

accepted

savings

depo's'i ts or sold investment certificates, which are similar to
certificates of deposit.

They were called

industrial banks

because they served industrial workers who in the early part of
this' century often could not obtain credit
banks.

from commercial

Industrial' banks· tr a.di tionally did not accept checking

accounts' of-any type.

Although some fndustrial banks appear to

have· had the power to make commercial loans, this authority was
not -Widely exercised.!/
Since approximately 1980, however,
industrial

banks

the activities ·of

have· expanded· substantially,
I

and

these

•

institutions today offei a wide range·of financial services,

! / General background information regarding industrial ·banks
may be found in H. Jennings, The Consumer in Commercial Banking
( 1939): R. Saulnier, Industrial Banking Companies. and Their
Credit Practices (1940) and Amend the Bank Holding Company Act
of 1956; Hearings on S.2353, S.2418, and H.R. 7371 before a
Subcomm. of the Senate Comm. on Banking and Currency, 89th
Cong. 2d. Ses~. 155 (196'6).
· ·
·'

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which make them
banks.

As

essenti~lly

Table

I

shows,

indistinguishable . froin commercial
there

industrial banks located in 21

are

approximately

states.~(

of these institutions are now permitted
loans.

l ,·200

Substantially all
to make commercial

Ten states have authorized their industrial banks to

offer NOW accounts,

and approximately 9.S industrial banks in.

those states have commenced offering such

accounts~

Nine states provide some sort of insurance for funds
deposited

in . industrial· banks}../

The FDIC has

industrial banks in Coloradp, Hawaii, Nebraska,
Utah are eligible for FDIC insurance.
number of other states

~ppear

:ruled- that
and -.
.Tennessee
-

Indqst~ial

banks in a

to be eligible for FDIC _i.nsurance

as a result of the Garn-St Germ.ain Depository Institutions Act
of 1982, but. the FDIC has. not taken a position regarding those
states.

Under the Garn-St Germain Act,

institutions that are

eligible for FDIC insurance include
any bank, banking association,
trust
company, savings bank, ind us trial bank or
similar financial institution which the
board of directors [of the FDIC] finds to be
operating substantially in the same manner
as an industrial bank ••
12

u.s.c.

§ 1813 •

. ~/
Three addftional sta"tes authorize
have no institutions operating.
~/
California, Colorado, Hawaii,
Nebraska, Rhode Island, and Utah.

industrial

Iowa,

Kansas,

banks

but

Minnesota,

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A few institutions in Florida, North Carolina and West
Virginia secured FDIC insurance prior to the Garn~Si Germain
Act, but the FDIC has not decided whether other institutions in
those states are el ig'i ble
located

in

California,

for · insurance. · Industrial

Florida

and

Iowa

presently

applitations for insurance pending with the FDIC.

banks
have

Four states

require their industrial banks to secure FDIC insurance if they
wish to accept deposits (or in some instances if they wish to

accounts).~/·

offer NOW

·Industrial banks ·that are

eligible

for FDIC insurance are also subject to reserve requirements and

~ederal Reserve·~ discount window.~/

have access to the
In

summary,

industrial

banks have

full

commercial

lending powers and are able to fund their commercial loans with
checking accounts and .. savings accounts that may be insured by
the FDIC.

'They. also have access to the Federal Reserve System

in its rote as lender of last resort for the banking system.
The NOW' accounts' offered by indus'trial banks· are

checking

accounts that perform the same function as demand deposits,
that are advertised as checking accounts, and for the majority
. ·'
of con~u~ers are the eq~ivalent of a conventional

.

'

ii

Florida, Hawaii, Tennessee ~nd West Virginia.

~/

12

u.s.c.
'

§· 461.

-4-

demand checking

.deposit.~/

The significant expansion of the

powers of industrial banks that has occurred since 1980 and
their

eligibility

for. FDIC.· insurance

has

rendered

them

institutions capable of frustrating the purposes of the Bank
Holding Company Act.
Indeed,

the potential that industrial banks have to

function as commercial bank-s has prompted a
largest bank .holding companies

number of the

in the country to acquire

industrial banks and approximately 50 such acquisitions have
occurred since 1980,
account powers.

when industrial banks first gained NOW

This rate of acquisitions is more than double

that which occurred in the period of

1971-19~9

•. A number of

these industrial banks have obtained FDIC insurance.
B.

State Chartered, Privately Insured S&Ls

State chartered, privateli insured savings and loan
associations

exist

in

five

states .2.1

As Table

II

shows I

there are approximately 394 such institutions, which control

6/
Unlike the traditional passbook or savings account,
withdrawals from NOW accounts may be made by checks given
directly to third parties. Although technically subject to the
right of the depository institution to require the depositor to
provide ·advance notice of withdrawal, this right is never
invoked with respect to NOW accounts.
Indeed, because
invocation of the notice by the depository institution would
require the dishonoring of checks given by the depositor to
third parties for value, the technical notice requirement
cannot as a practical matter be imposed with respect to NOW
accounts.

2.1

Maryland,
Pennsylvania.

Massachusetts,

'-

North

Carolina,

Ohio

and

-ssome $16 billion in deposits. 9 /

All of these

institutions

are authorized to make commercial loans and accept NOW accounts
and many may accept demand deposits.

The great majority.of

these institutions are mutual associations and ~bus raise no
issues under the Bank Holding Company Act or the Savings and
Loan Holding Company Act.
State chartered, privately insured S&Ls are eligible
for

FSLIC insurance,

instead.

but have opted for· private

insurance

Although these S&Ls are sometimes simply referred to

as "state irisured S&Ls," it is more accurate to describe them
as state chartered·S&Ls,

the deposits of which are privately

insured under"authority of state law.

These S&Ls are primarily

engaged in making residential mortgage loans and have the same
powers as other state chartered S&Ls in the relevant state.
For the most part,

such powers are generally comparable to

those of federally chartered S&Ls, although in some instances
the powers of state chartered S&Ls

exc~ed

those of

fed~rally

chartered institutions.
Many

state

mutual in form,

chartered,

privately 'insured

S&Ls

are

but approximately 30 such ins ti tut ions have

corporate parents. "These corporate parents are concentrated in
Ohio, Maryland, and North Carolina, and engage in a variety of

8/ If state insured savings banks are included,
would be $27.5 billion.

this amount

,,

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activities, from simply holding the subsidiary S&L's shares to.
operating a chain of restaurants.
parent

organiz~tions,

In addition, some of these

such as Warner National Corporation and

Control Data Corporation, operate on a nationwide basis, and
engage in a

nonbanki~g

varie.ty of

activities

such as

the

computer business.
char~ered_,,

Al though state

privately insured. S&Ls are

currently primarily engaged in home lending,

they have the

capability to ,funptio.n in the .same manner as a commercial bank
to the extent that they may make commercial loans and of fer NOW
In

accounts.

addi~ion,

such

institutions

qualify

as

"depository ins ti tut ions" for purposes of the Monetary _Control
Act, and there;fore have access to the Federal Reserve discount
•

window.

'

Despi~e

1,

these facts, such

to the Savings anq Loan
able to avoid qoverage

H~lding

~nder

ins~itutions

are not subject

Company Act, and may also be

the Bank Holding Company Act,

particularly jf they do not
engage1 in commercial lending.
'
ability of these institutions to gain access

~o

The

the payments

mechanism and - the Federal Reserve discount window therefore
presents

a~

anomalous.situation in view of the

prudential . regulation
Consequently,

enjo.yed

by

~heir.

freedom from

corporate

parents.

these ins ti tut ions should be subjected to the

Savings and Loan Holding Company Act, just as other S&Ls.

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Industrial Bank Activities By State..!/

State

NOWS
Authorized
(Date)

No. of
Institutions

Est. No.
Offering NOWS

Total Deposits
(All Types)
($ millions)

86
154
0
3
69
5
52
12
125
0
-29
2
34
6

0
3
8
70
0
3
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0

0
34
1900
322
0
32
480
"309
181
9
NA
0
53
10
320
175

No
Yes
Yes (1971)
No
Yes (1980)
No
No

1
9
11
420
54
12
26

0
2
5
0
2
0
0

4
NA
668
NA
469
0
0

Yes (1980)

92

2

33

1205

95

4999

Arizona
Arkansas
Calif orni'
Colorado.£ '
Connecticut
Flor iaal/ · HawaiiYl/
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Maine
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska.£/
Nevada
North
Carolina
Oklahoma
Rhode Island
Tenn27see.£/l/
UtahVirginia
Washington
West
Virginial/

No
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
Yes
·No
No
No
No
No
No
No
No

0

TOTALS

Yes=lO
No =14

(1980)
(1982)
(1980)
(1949)
(1980)

....

~

)j Data as of 12/83. ·Substantially ·all industrial banks
are
' permitted to make commercial loans.

2/ Eligible for ·FDIC insu·rance._ · Many other industrial banks
appear to be eligible for FDIC insurance as a result of the
Garn-St Germain Act, but FDIC has not taken a position
regarding them.

ii

FDIC insurance required if deposits are offered. In some
instances, this requirement is applicable only if NOW accounts
are offered.

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Privately Insured S&Ls

State

NOWS
Authorized
(Uate)

No. of
Institutions

Total Deposits
(All Types)
($ millions)

Maryland

Yes

105

6,000

Massachusetts

Yes (1973)

103 .!/

4,700

No. Carolina

Yes (1981)

43

1,800

Ohio

Yes (1981)

74

3,500

Pennsylvania

Yes (1980)

69

TOTALS

Yes=5

l:.l

394

115
16,115

Privately Insured Savings Banks
Massachusetts

Yes

159l/

11,400

1/ Only 2 of these are stock institutions, and neither of those
-two has a corporate parent.
2/ Only a ~ew stock institutions exis~, and only one of them
has a corporate parent.

ll

Some of thE;!Se institutions are ,also insured by the FDIC,
in which case the Massachusetts fund covers deposits in excess
of $100,000.

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•

APPENDIX C

LIMIT ON TAN.DEM OPE.H.ATIONS

The availability of the exemption· from the activity
restrictions of the Savings and Loan Holding company Act for:
comp~nies

unitary savings and loan holding

of both federally

and non federally insured thrift institutions should be limited
to those tnri:tt institutions that are engaged primarily in
housing lending and tnat do not_ operate

in

taridem with

affiliated nonbanking organizations. - Witho~t a limitation on
tandem

operations,

many · business

organizations

may

feel

compelled to become affiliated with a thrift in order to remain
competitive,

and

',·

competition

increasingly compromised.

and

stability

would

be

The growing number' of securities,

insurance, retail, and manufacturing firms that have already
acquired S&Ls or nonbank banks suggests the danger.
To

prevent

such

an

occurrence,

a

variety

of

I

relationships falling under the general headin<;J of

"tandem

operations" should be prohibited for companies that wish to
take advantage of the unitary S&L holding company exemption.
The major element of this limitation is a prohioition on the
mutual of fer ing of produ"cts and services.
tandem operations would

~ncompass

Thus, prohibited

the sale or marketing of the

SbL' s products by nonbanking dff i liates and

the sale or

marketing oy the S&L of the products or services offered by
those affiliates.

For example,

the deposits of

the S&L

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could not oe sold or marketed by its nonbank affilicttes.
similarly, the S&L could not offer or market the insurance,
securities, real estate or retail products of its

~ftiliates.

Tt1e or ter ing of discounts or incentives oy an S&L or its
affiliate to encourage a customer to purchase products or
services irom tne otner organization is another example of a
~ractice

that would oe oarred.
·rno:: tanaem operation provisiou could be implemented in

otn~r

ways.

suosidiary

Consideration might be given to prohibiting the
~biL

or

d

unitary S&L holding company from operating

at the same location with affiliates engaged in nonbanking
activities.

This would mean, for example, that an S&L .could

not provide space in its lobby for its nonbanking affiliates,
nor coulu it establish branch off ices or RSUs at the locations
of offices of those nonbankirig affiliates.
Similarlj, a sunsidiary S&L of a unitary S&L holding
'

company might not be permitted to provide - customer referrals
for its nonuankiny affiliates, nor could those affiliates refer
nusiness to the S&L.

Thus, a retail affiliate could not rely

on the S&L co maKe loans to the retailer's customers to finance
~urc:hases

securities

from tne retailer: and real estate.,
a.tf iliates

aftiliated S&L.

could

not

refer

insurance or

customers

to

the

.. •

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APl'ENDIX D
Amendments to the National Housing Act to
Estdolish d uualifying Test for the Unitary Savings and
Loan Holding company Exemption
(Assuming a.Ten Year Phase In.)I:_"

8ection 408(n) of the National Housing Act (12
is

amende~

1730a(n))

''

as follows:

"(n) (l)

u.s.c.

..

A savings and

loan holding

company,

the

suosidiary insured institution of which devotes less than 65
percent Ot its dSSets to residential -mort~ages and related
investments on average during any year, shall not thereafter
.

,

commence,

or continue for

more

th'an

three years,

either

'
directly or indirectly, including through a subsidiary
(other

than dn

insured

.

.

institution),

any

business' activity

not

.

'

permissible for a multiple savings and loan holding company
"

under subsection (c) of tnis section.

For the purposes of this

.

-·

'

suosection, the term "related investments• means (A) securities
oacked by residential mortgages; (B) ·retail mobile.home loans;
( c)

home

improvement

loans;

( D) loans

to

finance

the

"

construction of residential properties; ( E) participations in

-

tne above loan.s; and (F) investments in service corporations
.

'

except that such investments snall be reduced oy an amount
proportionate to the

~mount

of such corporation's ass•ts that·

are not residential mortgages or r~lated inv~stments as defined
in tnis suosection.
ten fear

This paragrdph shall riot appiy during· the

period tollowing

the date ot

paragraph to .a, unitary savii:igs and

l~oan

enactment. of this
holding company, the

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subsidiary insured institution of which does not meet the asset
composition test establish_ed by
enactment

of

this

paragra~n,

th~s

paragraph on the date of

provided

tnat

tne

insured

ins ti tut ion does not decrease the percentage of its assets
devoted to residential mortgages and related investments below
the

percen~age

-~t

held on the date of enactment of this

paragraph and increases, within the following time periods from
the date of enactment of this paragraph, such

perce~tage

of its

assets devoted to residential mortgages and related investments
by a_n amount at least equal to the following percentages of the
difference between 65 percentum and the percentage of its
assets dev_oted to residential mortgages and related investments
on the date ot enactment of this paragraph:
(i )

within two and one-half years, 25 percent um;

(ii)

within five years, 50 perceutum;

(iii)

.
*/
within seven and one-half years, 75 percentum.-

. -• ( 2 ). If! the ·event tna t an insured institution that is
owned or _controlled by a savings and loan holding company
otters or marKets the products or services of such savings and
loan hqlding ~ompany or of any other subsidiary of such holding
company,

or

the

products

and

services

of

such

insured

instituti 9 n are offered to or marketed through such holding

*/ · If a f ive;_year phase-in period were adopted,
transition periods could be reduced.

'

\

(

these

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company ot

~u~y

of its other subsidiaries, such savings and loan

hole.ting compcmy and all subsidiaries thereof (other than an
insured

in~titution)

shdll not thereafter

com~ehce,

or continue

for more than three years, any activity not permissible for a
roultiple savings dnd loan holding company under subsection (c)
of this section.~/
•(3) .For the purpose of determining compliance with the
three and ten year periods described in this subsection, the
last· sentence of paragraph ( 2) of subsection ( c) hereof sndll
not be applicable.•

~/

These 'provisions against tandem 01:>erations are· identical
to tnose in s. 2134, ~8th Cong., 1st sess. (1983), introduced
by Senator Proxmire.