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Paul G. Collins., Assistant Director
730 - 15th Street, N.W., Washington 5 , D.C.

RELEASED at 3:00 p.m.
Monday,, January 22, 1 9 6 1 .

Address of M. Monroe Kimbrel, Vice President of
The American Bankers Association, before The 33 *
Annual Midwinter Conference of the Wisconsin Bankers
Association, The Hotel Schroeder, Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
Monday, January 22, 1962 , Mr. Kimbrel is Chairman of the
Board, the First National Bank, Thomson, Georgia.
If you have ever seen the trick performed of successfully removing
a tablecloth from beneath a table full of dishes, you can appreciate what com­
mercial banking is up against in the second session of the 87 th Congress.
As you are doubtless aware, the House Ways and Means Committee has
before it a so-called "tax package" which contains a number of the initial
tax revision recommendations made by President Kennedy last year.

Two of

them are of vital importance to banking - tax uniformity among competing fi­
nancial institutions, and mandatory withholding on dividends and interest.
The trick we would like to perform is pulling withholding out of
the package without upsetting the whole measure.
But before I discuss the political feasibility and prospects for
this bit of strategy, some very good news should be reported first.
President Kennedy, in his Budget Message delivered to Congress last
Thursday, restated in even clearer terms his recommendation that the bad debt
reserve provisions now accorded mutual financial institutions ought to be
changed in order to bring about more uniform tax treatment among commercial
banks, savings and loan associations, and mutual savings banks.
Specifically, the President said that "the tax deductible reserve
provisions applicable to mutual savings banks and savings and loan associations
should be amended to assure nondiscriminatory taxation among competing finan­




It is noteworthy that Mr. Kennedy has spelled out savings and loan
associations and mutual savings hanks and that he has said the provisions ought
to he "amended.” In his tax message last year the President referred simply to
private savings and lending institutions and asked for a "review" of the
had debt reserve provisions.

Although most people knew what the President

wanted all along, some spokesmen for the mutuals insisted that the Adminis­
tration had no position on the matter.

His latest statement should clear up

any doubts about that.
At a press conference last Wednesday, Treasury Secretary Dillon was
asked to expand upon the President’ tax uniformity recommendation.

The Sec­

retary replied that the President’ words spoke for themselves - that there
should he no discrimination in favor of these mutual institutions - and here
I quote, "which we presently think there is.” The Secretary acknowledged
that a tax formula is a complex thing to work out and that it would have to he
done in cooperation with the Ways and Means Committee.

He said the Treasury

had no hard and fast principle in mind hut that a transition period of three
years seemed proper to allow a period of adjustment before these institutions
were fully taxed.
The Secretary concluded by saying, "we are going to discuss this
with the Ways and Means Committee on the basis of the President’ statement
that there should he no discrimination."
House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Wilbur Mills and other
Democratic Congressional leaders have reaffirmed that the first order of
business will be this limited tax revision bill.

The Committee began execu­

tive sessions on the tax package last week, but is not expected to report a
measure to the House before mid-February.
Cn the Senate side, Chairman Harry Byrd of the Senate Finance Com­
mittee has rejected the suggestion that his Committee consider tax legislation


before it has passed the House.



Senator Byrd does not wish to depart from the

traditional practice of waiting until House action is completed before the
Finance Committee begins hearings.
Despite the fact that concurrent consideration of tax proposals by
both the House and Senate would speed up action on the program,, I must admit
that I share the Senator’ view. Congress must be extremely careful in tak­
ing up matters of this magnitude, and the whole issue might become confused
if both Houses were to look at this one simultaneously.
So we have good reason to be optimistic about achieving our goal of
tax justice. For the time being at least the scales are tipped in our favor.
But lest we become too assured of success, remember that the confi­
dence which we now enjoy has often been described as that feeling one has be­
fore he fully understands the situation. This is particularly applicable to
happenings in Washington.
Withholding is viewed by the Administration as the prime source of
revenue to recoup the losses sustained through the proposed 8 per cent invest­
ment credit for business. A.B.A. representatives have met with Treasury
officials on numerous occasions.

The purpose of these meetings was to explore

various proposals and suggestions for withholding which have been made by that
Department, consistent with the 1961 A.B.A. resolution which states that:


American Bankers Association pledges its continued support of efforts designed
to determine whether a workable and efficient withholding system can be
But we have also attempted to point out the hardships and inequities
of the system. While we will continue to seek out a workable solution, the
A.B.A. feels that an efficient and practicable system has not been developed,
and our actions still are guided by this attitude.
It i - virtually impossible to separate politics and legislative pro­
cedure in the case of the current tax bill. Many Members of Congress are opposed

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to the withholding idea. Yet the Administration is pledging a balanced budget
and a relatively balanced tax package as far as revenue lost and gained is con­

The President has a strong desire not to crease a revenue imbalance in

either one. Congress will have to weigh this aspect against its basic feelings
about withholding itself when the measure comes to vote.
Withholding is not a party issue, either.

Objections have come from

both sides of the aisle on this as well as other parts of the package.


ly, the Administration hopes to keep enough Democratic Members in line for what
will probably be the first major issue to be voted upon in the second session.
A break could come at any point in the legislative process.

The House

Ways and Means Committee must first decide on the bill which the House will con­
sider. And since revenue measures usually cannot be amended on the House floor,
the bill it receives has to be voted up or down as a whole.
In the Senate, however, after the bill clears the Senate Finance Com­
mittee, amendments can be offered during floor debate.

This might be the best

point at which to have withholding deleted, except that the Senate at present
seems to be much more "loophole" conscious than the House.
All of these factors also have to be considered in the light of 1962
being an election year. Every Member of the House must stand for re-election
in November, as well as one-third of the Senate.

They are likely to be giving

more attention to the people back home than to Congressional and Presidential
I want to stress that bankers are "people back home," too, and in
many cases very influential ones.

It is entirely possible that we can turn

the trick of achieving tax uniformity without getting withholding along with
it. That maneuver depends a lot on what Congress hears from the home front,
and from bankers especially.

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Before discussing other legislative items I would like to comment
on the A.B.A.’ tax uniformity public information campaign. A good many
banks are using the materials provided but there is room for improvement.
To prove that our public information efforts have made some headway we
need only listen to the charges of ’
'commercial bank propaganda" coming
from spokesmen for the mutuals.

Propanganda, you know, is the other side’

case put so convincingly that it annoys you.

Judging by the reaction, the

Tax Justice Kit has certainly had this effect, anyway.
We are fortunate in that the tax bill heads the Congressional
priority list for the second session, because President Kennedy has given
Congress a lengthy list of legislative requests - thirty-four major ones which have been accorded top billing.

Few of these affect banking directly.

The President asked for new authority to reduce tariffs, to cut personal
income taxes in an economic emergency, and to strengthen the nation’ wel­
fare programs.

Some of the other proposals which do concern banking to

some extent are revisions of the unemployment insurance system, mass trans­
it and transportation legislation, a Department of Urban Affairs and Hous­
ing, Federal loans for school construction and Federally financed scholar­
ships, and an increase in the public debt limit.
Naturally, all of these cannot be passed this year. Congress
will probably concern itself mainly with the controversial plan for
medical care to the aged, a liberalized foreign trade program, and the
tax bill*

Of the three, the tax bill is given the best chance of passage.
All of this leaves banking legislation in the background.


are at least two banking bills, though, that are conceded excellent prospects
for enactment. Both were introduced by Chairman Brent Spence at the request
of the A.B.A.

One bill would increase the limitation on the aggregate amount

of real estate mortgages which a national bank may make from the present

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6 0 per cent of time and savings deposits to 70 per cent.

It would also

permit national banks to make construction loans on residential or farm
buildings having maturities of up to 18 months without being subject to
real estate loan limitations.

The A.B.A. feels that enactment of this

bill would be helpful in permitting national banks to more effectively
meet the real estate mortgage needs of their communities. We estimate
that an increase in the lending limit would add nearly $4 billion to the
mortgage investment potential of national banks.
The second bill by Mr. Spence would enable national and State
member banks to own stock in a service corporation for the purpose of
providing clerical services for them.

It is intended to assist the

smaller banks to purchase automatic equipment collectively where they
could not afford to do so individually* Similar legislation has been
enacted in several States with respect to State nonmember banks.
No new developments have been reported on the Douglas Disclosure

Senator Douglas still intends to push for full disclosure of finance

charges in credit transactions, including the simple annual rate, but its
chances for passage remain dubious.

The bill is still tied up in a sub­

committee of the Senate Banking and Currency Committee. Although eight or
nine similar bills have been introduced in the House, that b.ody is not
likely to act unless a Senate measure is passed.
The same outlook applies to the proposed Federal Mutual Savings
Bank System. Bills are pending in both the Senate and House Banking and
Currency Committees but neither group shows an inclination to hold hearings.
You will recall that the Commission on Money and Credit had also
recommended that Federal charters be made available for mutual savings banks.
Another source of support has recently come from the Chairman of the Federal
Home Loan Bank Board.

Not too long ago the Board opposed this bill, fearing




that the broad investment powers to be made available to Federal mutual
savings banks might detour some of the funds used for home financing into
other channels.

At that time, too, the supervisory powers were to have

been lodged with the Comptroller of the Currency instead of the Federal
Home Loan Bank Board as is new proposed.

At present, the FHLLB is offer­

ing support for the system in return for savings bank membership in the
Federal Home Loan Bank System, As far as can be determined, however, the
majority of savings and loan people are still united with commercial bankers
in opposition to Federal charters for mutuals.
Most of the recommendations of the Commission on Money and Credit
have received a cool reception in Congress.
has been introduced thus far.

Only one bill concerning them

Senators Clark of Pennsylvania and your own

Senator Wiley have cosponsored a bill which incorporates those CMC recom­
mendations dealing with the organization of the Federal Reserve System.
Among the more controversial provisions are the requirement that all com­
mercial banks be members of the Federal Reserve System in order to be
granted an insured status, and the cancellation of holdings of Federal
Reserve bank stocks owned by member banks and issuance of a


interest bearing certificate to each member bank instead.
We understand that this bill will not be the subject of hearings
in the second session.
Nor is any action forecast on the two bills sponsored by the
National Association of Supervisors of State Banks. One would exclude
the Comptroller of the Currency from membership on the FDIC Board. The
second would require two approvals of branch applications of all insured
banks, one by the FDIC and another by the State Supervisors in the case
of insured State-chartered banks, and one by the FDIC and the other by
the Comptroller of the Currency in the case of national banks.


O ne



"bill introduced at the outset of the second session hy

Senator Metcalf of Montana should he of interest to you.

It would pro­

vide that Federal savings and loan associations may establish and operate
new branches in States only if State savings and loan associations, or
State banks and trust companies are permitted by State law or practice
to establish and operate new branches in the State.

Elis proposal is

similar to one contained in the House version of the "Financial Insti­
tutions Act of 1957" which failed to pass*

It is too early yet to give

an assessment of its chances this year.
You can readily see that banking’ major interests in the second
session will be with taxes of one sort or another.
Aside from legislative matters there is one other major issue
emanating from Washington which is of vital concern to banking.

I refer

to the application of the anti-trust laws to banking. Let me say that
The American Bankers Association can only take a wait and see attitude
with regard to both the recent bank merger cases and actions pertaining
to bank service charges.
very closely.

The Association is following these developments

If it is found that the laws are not being administered

fairly, or that court decisions are not in the best interests of a strong
banking structure, we will have to seek a remedy, possibly by way of legis­
Perhaps in all of these elements with which the A.B.A. deals
at the national level we should look to the successes of the Wisconsin
Bankers Association in its own legislative efforts. You are certainly
to be commended for your work on the Wisconsin tax bill and other matters
which have a bearing in the banking community of this State. Even outside
of the financial realm the Badger State has acquitted itself in fine fashion.
It seems that the Green Bay Packers have supplanted cheese as Wisconsin’





I would like to make one request of you in conclusion.

In the

next few days why not review your work in the tax uniformity campaign.
Have you done as much as you could in the way of public information?
Have all of your Congressional contacts been made and are you sure that
your Members of Congress are fully aware of the prevailing tax injustice?
In this State the i960 average payment by commercial banks in
Federal income tax was $27,500*
associations here was $100,

The i960 average for savings and loan

Surely this cannot help but have an im­

pression on the public and the Wisconsin delegation if they are told
the facts*
In the last analysis, the legislative viewpoints and convictions
of Congress will, to a great extent, be determined by people like your­
selves who live and vote in the Congressional districts.
The opinions that you and others express can be a deciding factor
in the tax issue, as well as in all others that affect the future of banking.