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FROM:
THE AMERICAN BANKERS ASSOCIATION
THE NEWS BUREAU
George J. Kelly^ Director
12 East 36 St., New York 1 6, N, Y.

RELEASED AT 10 A.M.
SATURDAY, MARCH 23, 1963

ADDRESS OF M. MONROE KIMBREL
President of The American Bankers Association, before the
69th Annual Convention of the Florida Bankers Association,
The Fontainebleau, Miami Beach, Saturday Morning, March 23,
Mr, Kimbrel is chairman of the board, First National Bank,
Thomson, Ga.

Are bankers inferior businessmen?
question with a resounding "No,"

1963.

You and I would probably answer this

And we would quickly substantiate our answer with

such general proof as our growth pattern, our profit statements and the new
services we have added over the years.
But apparently, not everyone would agree with this answer.

Recently I

was in New York and had lunch with some A.B.A. staff men, and a financial writer
joined us.

Somehow the question was raised, "Are bankers good businessmen?"
The writer said we did a good job of managing other people’s money and

giving them advice, but he did not agree that bankers are good businessmen.
He said, "While commercial banking has become one of the most
competitive businesses in the world, I believe that on the whole bankers are
inferior businessmen,"
Naturally, we challenged his statement.
we could discuss it in depth.
out his arguments,

But we all had to leave before

So I asked him if he would write to me and spell

A few days later I was surprised when I received a long

letter from the writer.
After reading it, it occurred to me that this was the sort of
outsider’s view we should listen to and weigh carefully.
agree with everything he said.

I didn’t.

I know you would not

Yet the questions he raised are

challenging and stimulating— so much so that I ’m going to assume the role of
devil’s advocate and raise some of them here today.
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First of all, let’s make sure we agree that hanking is a business and
that commercial bankers should try to be good businessmen.
By a business I mean a private, profit-motivated operation.
Why does a business make a profit?
profit because it fills a need,

Any business (you name it) makes a

A supermarket makes a profit because people need

food; a bank makes a profit because people need banking services.
Moreover, all businesses make profits the same way.

That is, a business

buys or produces something at one price and sells it at a higher, or profitable,
price.

This applies to commercial banks as much as it does to supermarkets.

is different is that each business has its own stock in trade.

What

Our stock

in trade is the use of money.
Banks obtain the use of money in two ways:

They acquire time deposits

by paying interest for them; they acquire demand deposits in exchange for banking
service.
Banks also sell the use of money in two ways:

They provide customers

with the use of money by making loans and investments; they provide customers with
the use of money by transferring money ownership among them— in other words, by
processing checks.
Now let's turn to the contention that, although commercial banking
has become one of the most competitive businesses in the world, on the whole
bankers are not very good businessmen.
Surely, no one is going to disagree seriously with the first half of this
statement.

I am equally sure that most bankers would disagree with the last

half.
So far as competition is concerned, commercial banks not only compete
strenuously with each other in acquiring their stock in trade— that is, the
use of money— but also experience very substantial outside competition as well.
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Savings and loan associations, savings banks and credit unions compete
head on -with commercial banks for time deposits♦

The savings of individuals

also are sought by life insurance companies and mutual funds, with both of
these businesses constantly attempting to improve and broaden the wares they
offer the public0 Although variable annuities and monthly investment plans may
be relatively new arrivals in the competitive arena, they shouldn’t be ignored
or discounted,

They’re only the latest, not the last, of the devices which

nonbank institutions have been creating in their competition with commercial
banks to obtain the use of money.
Competition is no less keen on the other side of the profit equationselling the use of money.

The biggest use by the general public of credit in any

one area is in mortgage borrowings.

Nongovernment financial institutions at the

end of 1962 held a total of $192 billion in mortgage debt.
less than $3^- billion.

Mutual savings banks held almost as much.

companies held more than $J+6 billion.

$78

Commercial banks held
Life insurance

Savings and loan associations held more than

billion.
Now someone may say, "But how about short-term credit--the commercial

banks’ biggest money-earner?

Aren’t the commercial banks way out in front of the

competition in this area?"
There’s no doubt that the commercial banks still get the biggest share
of the loan dollar from business, but it is equally true that our competition
here, too, is mounting.
Actually, the competition is gaining ground fast.

In recent years the

commercial finance companies and the commercial paper dealers have steadily
increased their annual portion of total business commitments.
In
credit.

1962

nonbank providers of credit put up 20 per cent of all business

In 1959 they put up only

8

per cenb„

The November

Burroughs Clearing House, in discussing this trend, said:
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issue of

"As more and more

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corporations lend to each other by purchasing commercial paper and finance each
other’s foreign trade by buying banker’s acceptances, the proportion of corporate
financial needs financed outside of banks continues to expand.

This nonbanking

lending has reached all-time highs both in dollar amount and as a percentage
of all credit used by business,"
Did I say commercial banking is one of the most competitive businesses
in the world?

I ’m sure bankers will agree that it’s difficult to think of any

business that is more competitive.

Certainly, commercial bankers here in

Florida need no convincing on this point.
It follows that we are under special and increasing pressure to conduct
our businesses just as skillfully and effectively as we possibly can.

Are we

doing that?
Well, how does one judge the effectiveness of a businessman?
One criterion is his familarity with his own stock in trade,
supermarket manager, for example, may stock hundreds of items.

A

But he knows how

much it costs to put each one on the shelf for sale to customers.

Thus he knows

how much to mark up each item in order to realize a profit,
I use a supermarket manager as an example of a businessman at work
because today’s commercial bank is often referred to as "the supermarket of
finance,"

Wow let's see if the managers of these financial supermarkets are as

familiar with their stock in trade as are the managers of the food supermarkets.
As w e ’ve already noted, the commercial bank’s stock in trade is the
use of money.

Bank credit is one way a bank’s customers use the money in banks.

Another way is by transferring ownership of it to settle debts— by writing checks.
Bank customers certainly use an impressive amount of bank credit.
yearend

1962,

outstanding.

some

$235

At

billion in commercial bank loans and investments was

Let’s assume this turned over four times during the year.
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a mighty generous assumption in this day of the term loan, the two-year consumer
loan and the 20-year mortgage loan.
a total amount of

$1

But let’s assume hank customers made use of

trillion in commercial hank credit in

1962,

That was an important sale hy commercial hankers of one part of their
stock in trade.

But it was not the biggest sales item.

The biggest use of money

hy hank customers was in the transfer of its ownership hy writing checks.
The A.B.A.’s excellent Centennial booklet, "How Banks Help," says,
"The chances are that you are one of the nation’s 57 million checking account
owners and that your checks are among the 14,5 billion which flow through the
hanks each year.

These trim pieces of paper, so commonplace, so similar, so

necessary, pay more than $4 trillion of this country’s hills annually,"
Two parts of this statement are exceptionally significant:

the

$4 trillion figure and the words, "so necessary*"
The $4 trillion means that for hank customers the use of money hy
transferring its ownership is four times bigger than the use of mcrtey hy
borrowing it.

In short, the biggest sales item in a commercial hank’s stock in

trade is hank checking.

And it is big in more ways than one.

Banks spend a good

deal more time and effort processing checks than processing loan applications or
managing their investment portfolios.
Paul B. Trescott, in his Centennial hook, "Financing American Enterprise,”
says, "It is also in connection with management of checking deposits that the hulk
of hank expenses are incurred.

Available accounting data suggest that managing

demand deposits cost the commercial hanks from $1,4 billion to $1,6 billion in
1954.

This represented about 40 per cent of their total costs."
That was eight years ago.

It might he argued that since then many

hanks have installed electronic data-processing equipment to handle the costly

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Bookkeeping operations entailed in check handling.

But eight years ago, the

volume of checks was less than half of' what it is today.

And eight years

from now, the volume will increase by at least another $0 per cent.
The fact is that while some of the larger banks have installed
sophisticated computer-oriented systems, these systems have not as yet begun to
cut check-handling costs.

One reason is because these systems require multimillion-

dollar expenditures before they begin to take over manual check handling.
Another reason is that these systems require extensive reorientation and
retraining of bank personnel,,
Taking the commercial banking industry as a whole, then, it is fair
to say the net effect of automation to date has been to increase, rather than
reduce, check-handling expenses.

No doubt some years from now, if most

commercial banks, rather than only the larger ones, take full advantage of the
technological advances that have been made, they will be able to cut check handling
costs substantially.

But until then, check handling is going to remain a heavy

anchor dragging against commercial banking’s progress.
And the reason, in many instances, will be the unbusinesslike methods,
or lack of methods, by which bankers attempt to cover the production costs of
this biggest sales item in their stock in trade,

Professor Trescott says the

service charges banks levy on holders of checking deposits were yielding only
one-fifth of deposit management costs in
Just think of it;

195^*

20 per cent of the costs of producing the checking

service— their biggest sales item--was all that the commercial banks were recovering
from customers for the use of this service.

You’re going to say that since 195^

banks have increased their service charges, and so they have.
banks are now recovering

2+0 per

managing checking accounts.

cent, or even

50

Let’s assume the

per cent, of the costs of

In addition, we can assume that the earnings credit

on demand accounts raises this recovery to a somewhat higher percentage.
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But is this really a businesslike operation?

Remember the words "so

necessary" that were used to describe the public’s use of 14.5 billion checks
annually?

"So necessary" means that commercial banking is filling a real need

by providing the checking service--a service, incidentally, that is now used
by our economy to complete

90

per cent of all business transactions.

At this point, the average banker would quickly interject the reminder
that commercial banks make most of their money out of business loans and that these
loans depend on the banks’ ability to attract demand deposits.
This is true, but you and I know it isn’t nearly as true as it used
to be.

The New York University Graduate School of Business Administration

recently published a deposit study.

It showed that while demand deposits in the

postwar period have increased at an annual average of
have grown at an average annual rate of almost

6,5

1,5

per cent, time deposits

per cent,

"At these rates of growth, time deposits will constitute over half of
the deposits of commercial banking by

1971 /'

the study forecast.

So we see that demand deposits have been shrinking as a percentage of
total deposits while the use of demand deposits has been increasing.

This is

demonstrated not only in the total of checks written but in terms of deposit
turnover--or velocity. In November

1962

the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago in its

monthly bulletin said the average demand deposit account in the nation was turned
over about 32 times in

1961,

This represented an increase of almost one-fifth

in a decade.

The Chicago central bank also said, in talking about
activity:

checking

"Last year, individuals and businesses wrote more than 13 billion checks

having a total value of about $3*5 trillion.

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1961

However, the aggregate size of the

million demand deposit accounts against which these checks were drawn was

much smaller--$110 billion, . . ,

As both the number and the dollar volume

of checks have risen, the average balance per account has declined,"
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Nothing could b.e plainer:

demand deposit balances on the average are

shrinking, giving the banks less funds to put to work in loans or investments, as
the use of checking accounts continues to rise.
Even if we assume that it is good business to run checking accounts
as a loss leader, it certainly isn’t good business to continue this practice if
the business can’t produce a compensating profit elsewhere.

The profits banks

have been able to net by lending or investing funds from demand deposit balances
have been shrinking simply because the cost of acquiring the use of this money
has been increasing much faster than the profit derived from selling the use
of this money.
Gentlemen, I think we must concede that this is not good business.
bad business.

It’s

Too many bankers--too many of us— don’t know what we should know

about our chief stock in trade.

Actually9 there are very few banks that do

the sort of cost accounting on their checking operations that enables them to
say with any degree of certainty:

"That $1,000 in demand deposits we took in

this afternoon at 2:13 P.M. will produce so many dollars in net earnings if we
lend it at such-and-such a rate."
Certainly, each bank ought to determine its own costs in acquiring the use
of demand deposits. Unless each bank has this information it is at a loss to know
how much it should be charging in order to earn a profit on checking services,
Charles A, Agemian, the controller general of The Chase Manhattan Bank,
wrote about bank costs and profitability in a recent issue of Auditgram.

Some

of the things he said certainly bear repeating here:
"It is not enough for a banker to know that his profits are being
squeezed! he must know where the squeeze is coming from.
how little some bankers know about their costs. . e .
cost and profitability of each service, .

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It is truly amazing

The banker must know the

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is the bank that does not know its costs9 , , ,

The over-all profitability

of the bank is arrived at by the sum of the contributions made by each of the
components.

Prudently speaking, all functions must be profitable.

Loss

functions should not be carried and allowed to exist because they are combined
with profitable functions in the over-all earning picture,"
To show that banking is viable and dynamic we like to cite the
continuing growth of banking’s deposits and assets from one year to the next.
Deposits and assets have grown, and that is significant.

However, some $15 billion

in bank deposit growth last year— just about all the deposit expansion that
occurred— resulted from increases in time deposits.

Since the cost of acquiring

these time deposits also rose, owing to the higher ceilings on interest rates,
bank earnings declined in

1962

for the industry as a whole.

It’s what happens to earnings that counts.
reason bank earnings declined in

1962

It’s no secret that one

was that bankers on the whole

did not know

beforehand just what the effect of added interest costs would be on the costs of
acquiring time deposits.
the beginning of

1962

Some banks that increased savings interest rates at

lowered these rates again before the year was over,

Others would probably follow suit if they could do so without embarrassment.
If we are to become profit-conscious, we must develop some realistic
yardsticks--some hardheaded business practices.

The question should be, "How good

are profits?"
As Professor Trescott

said, "Over the years 1946-1960, commercial banks

averaged 8,4 per cent profit on their capital accounts, after taxes.

By

comparison, American manufacturing corporations over the same period recorded
after-tax profits of

11*7

per cent of capital— more than one-third higher,"

This is an inferior profit performance.

This is another indication

that we have nothing to be complacent about as we prepare for the mounting
pressure of competition and service that lies ahead.
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In short, my friends, we all need to ask ourselves some hard, critical
questions— and to find the answers if we don’t have them.
How good are we at cost accounting?
of the services we perform?

How well do we appraise the value

Do we pay enough attention to net profit?

Do we

permit ourselves to he lulled into complacency hy traditions and yardsticks
that are out of place in today’s business environment?
So long as we recognize these problems and work at solving them,
banking’s future will be one of promise.

After all, a good test of a successful

businessman is his ability to adjust to new business conditions.
been doing this for centuries0

Bankers have

I am convinced that our industry will continue

to meet the challenge.

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