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Testimony of Governor Laurence H. Meyer

The securities activities of banks
Before the Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit and the
Subcommittee on Capital Markets, Insurance and Government Sponsored Enterprises
of the Committee on Financial Services, U.S. House of Representatives
August 2, 2001
I appreciate the opportunity to present the views of the Federal Reserve on the interim final
rules issued by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC or Commission) to implement
the bank securities provisions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (GLB Act). The manner in
which these rules are implemented is extremely important to banks and their customers and
well deserves your attention.
As the banking agencies detailed in our official comment to the Commission on the rules, we
believe they are, in a number of critical areas, inconsistent with the language and purposes of
the GLB Act, and create an overly complex, burdensome, and unnecessary regulatory
regime. The rules as currently drafted would disrupt the traditional operations of banks and
impose significant and unwarranted costs on banks and their customers.
In our comment letter, the banking agencies also objected to the Commission adopting the
rules in final form and making them effective beginning October 1 of this year. The banking
agencies urged the Commission to treat the interim final rules as proposed rules and to give
banks sufficient time after modified rules are adopted by the Commission to implement
systems and make other changes necessary to comply with the rules.
We support the Commission's recent actions to extend the public comment period on the
rules until September 4, 2001, and to extend the effective date of the interim final rules and
the statutory provisions that they implement until at least May 12, 2002. We also support the
Commission's statement that it will further extend the effective date for an appropriate period
of time to provide banks with a sufficient transition period to come into compliance with any
revised rules the Commission ultimately adopts. We believe these procedural steps are both
necessary and appropriate to ensure that the public comment process, which is so critical to
the development of fair and effective rules, allows for meaningful comment and the
collection of much needed information regarding the practical effects of the SEC's rules on
the traditional activities of banks. Most importantly, we look forward to engaging in a
constructive dialogue with the Commission and its staff and to assisting them in modifying
the substance of the rules in a manner that both gives effect to the Congress' intent and does
not disrupt the traditional customer relationships and activities of banks.
Before highlighting some of the most significant provisions of the interim final rules that we
believe must be modified, a brief background of the treatment of banks under the Securities
Exchange Act of 1934 and the purposes of the GLB Act's bank securities provisions is useful.
History of the Bank Exception and Bank Securities Activities

In 1934, the Congress first adopted a federal scheme requiring all entities that act as
securities brokers or dealers to register with the SEC. The Securities Exchange Act of 1934,
however, specifically exempted all banks from the definitions of "broker" and "dealer" and,
accordingly, did not require banks providing securities services to their customers to register
with the SEC as broker-dealers. Although the ability of banks to underwrite, deal in, and
purchase securities was limited by the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, banks continued to have
the ability to buy and sell securities for the account of their customers and to buy and sell
securities for their own account when specifically authorized by law. The Congress
recognized that these permissible securities activities were already supervised and examined
by the appropriate federal and state banking authorities and that subjecting these activities to
an additional layer of regulation was not necessary or appropriate. In fact, one of the primary
purposes of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 was to subject nonbank stockbrokers and
securities traders to the type of government supervision and examination that was already
applied under the banking laws to banks.
Long before 1934 and since, banks have offered their customers securities services in a
variety of circumstances in connection with their banking activities. For example, banks have
long bought and sold securities for their trust and fiduciary customers. These services are an
essential part of the trust and fiduciary operations of banks-operations that have long been
considered a core banking function. Banks that have discretionary investment authority over
a trust or fiduciary account purchase and sell securities for the account to ensure that the
account is properly diversified and managed in the manner required by the governing trust
agreement and applicable fiduciary principles. Banks also provide investment advice
concerning securities, real estate, and other assets to non-discretionary fiduciary accounts,
and have long been able to execute securities transactions for these accounts.
Another core banking function is providing custody and safekeeping services. The five
largest global custodians are banks, and banks, both large and small, act as trusted custodians
for the securities, real estate, and other assets of customers. One of the most recognizable
custody services provided by banks is for Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs). Under
applicable Internal Revenue Service regulations, banks may act as custodians for IRAs, and
bank-offered custodial IRAs provide consumers throughout the nation with a convenient and
economical way to buy and sell securities for retirement purposes on a tax-deferred basis.
Banks, as part of their customary banking activities and as an accommodation to their
customers, also have long permitted customers that hold securities in custody accounts at the
bank to buy and sell securities related to the account. These services allow customers to
avoid the unnecessary expense of having to establish a separate securities account at a
broker-dealer to effect such trades. Other securities services traditionally offered by banks
include "sweeping" deposit funds into overnight investment vehicles, such as money market
mutual funds, privately placing securities for customers, and providing transfer agency
services to issuers and benefit plans.
Banks have offered these services to their customers without significant concerns for years. It
is important, moreover, to highlight that these activities are not unregulated--they are
supervised, regulated, and examined by the relevant federal and state banking agencies. In
the trust and fiduciary area, these protections are enhanced and supplemented by welldeveloped principles of state and federal trust and fiduciary law that provide customers with
strong protections against conflicts of interests and other potential abuses. Bank examiners
regularly examine a bank's trust and fiduciary departments for compliance with these
fiduciary principles. These examinations frequently are conducted by examiners who have

received special training in trust and fiduciary law and practice, and the federal banking
agencies assign banks engaged in fiduciary activities separate ratings under the Uniform
Interagency Trust Rating System. These ratings are based on an evaluation of, among other
things, the capability of management; the adequacy of the bank's operations, controls, and
audits; the bank's compliance with applicable law, fiduciary principles and the documents
governing the account; and the management of fiduciary assets.
GLB Act
It was in the context of this existing regulatory framework that the Congress, during
consideration of the GLB Act, reviewed the blanket exception for banks from the definitions
of "broker" and "dealer" in the Securities Exchange Act. This review of the blanket exception
was not undertaken because abuses or concerns existed concerning the traditional securities
activities of banks. In fact, banks generally have conducted their securities activities
responsibly and in accordance with bank-regulatory requirements and other applicable law,
including the antifraud provisions of the federal securities laws.
Rather, the review of the bank exception was undertaken to address a concern that, if the
blanket exception for banks was retained at the same time that the barriers hindering the
affiliation of banks and securities broker-dealers were removed, securities firms might
acquire a bank and move the securities activities of the broker-dealer into the bank in order to
avoid SEC supervision and regulation. Some parties also expressed concern that banks might
in the future significantly expand their securities activities outside the services traditionally
provided customers under the blanket exception. The Congress sought to balance these
concerns with the desire to ensure that banks could continue to provide their customers the
securities services that they had traditionally provided as part of their customary banking
activities, without significant problems, and subject to the effective supervision and
regulation of the banking agencies.
The end result, the GLB Act, replaced the blanket exception for banks from the definitions of
"broker" and "dealer" with fifteen exceptions tailored to allow the continuation of key bank
securities activities. These exceptions were broadly drafted and were intended to ensure that
banks could continue to provide their customers with most, if not all, of the services that they
traditionally had received from banks. For example, these statutory exceptions permit banks,
subject to certain conditions, to continue to (1) buy and sell securities for their trust and
fiduciary customers, (2) buy and sell securities for their custodial clients as part of their
customary banking activities, (3) establish so-called "networking" arrangements with
registered broker-dealers to offer securities services to the bank's customers, (4) sweep
deposit funds into shares of no-load money market mutual funds, (5) privately place
securities with sophisticated investors, (6) issue and sell to qualified investors securities that
are backed by assets predominantly originated by the bank, its affiliates or, in the case of
consumer-related receivables, a syndicate formed by the bank and other banks, and (7)
broker securities in up to 500 transactions per year that are not otherwise exempt.
Interim Final Rules Adopted by the SEC
The interim final rules as currently written are, in many respects, not consistent with the
language or purposes of the GLB Act and would impose unnecessary costs and burdens on
banks and their customers. In the interest of time, I will focus only on some of our most
significant concerns with the substantive provisions of the rules. A more detailed discussion
of our numerous concerns is included in the comment letter issued jointly by the Federal
Reserve, the OCC, and the FDIC.

Trust and Fiduciary Activities
We are most concerned with the provisions of the interim final rules that implement the
statutory exception for the trust and fiduciary activities of banks. In our judgment, these
provisions would significantly disrupt the trust and fiduciary customer relationships and
activities of banks. As I noted above, trust and fiduciary activities are part of the core
functions of banks, and banks have long bought and sold securities for their trust and
fiduciary customers under the strong protections afforded by fiduciary laws and under the
supervision and examination of the banking agencies.
In light of this history, the GLB Act specifically permits banks to effect transactions in a
trustee capacity, and to effect transactions in a fiduciary capacity in any department of the
bank that is regularly examined by bank examiners for compliance with fiduciary principles.
To ensure that banks did not attempt to operate a full-scale brokerage operation out of their
trust department, the GLB Act established two limitations. First, a bank relying on the trust
and fiduciary exception must be "chiefly compensated" for the securities transactions it
effects for its trust and fiduciary customers on the basis of certain types of traditional trust
and fiduciary fees specified in the act. Second and importantly, the act prohibits the bank
from publicly soliciting securities brokerage business other than in conjunction with its trust
activities. The Congress did not expect that these compensation requirements and advertising
restrictions would interfere with the traditional trust and fiduciary activities of banks, nor
were these provisions intended to grant the SEC broad authority to regulate or "push-out" the
trust and fiduciary activities of banks. In fact, the Conference Report for the GLB Act
specifically states that the "Conferees expect that the SEC will not disturb traditional bank
trust activities" under this exception.1
The interpretation of this exception currently reflected in the interim final rules, however,
would significantly disrupt the customary trust and fiduciary activities of banks and is at odds
with both the language and purposes of the exception. Most importantly, the interim final
rules provide that a bank qualifies for the exception only if each of its trust and fiduciary
accounts independently meets the act's "chiefly compensated" requirement. We strongly
believe that the act's "chiefly compensated" requirement was intended to apply to a bank's
aggregate trust and fiduciary activities and not on an account-by-account basis. An approach
focused on the bank's aggregate trust and fiduciary activities is consistent with the nature and
operations of bank trust departments and would--in conjunction with the act's prohibition on
banks publicly soliciting brokerage business apart from their trust and fiduciary activities-effectively prevent banks from running a full-scale brokerage operation out of their trust
departments.
The account-by-account approach adopted by the interim final rules, on the other hand, is
both unworkable and overly burdensome. First, this approach appears premised on the notion
that an individual trust or fiduciary account that engages in a significant number of securities
transactions during a year is not a traditional trust and fiduciary account. This premise is
flawed, however. It is entirely natural for a bank to engage in numerous securities
transactions for a trust or fiduciary account. For example, there may be numerous securities
transactions for an account when a trust is initially established and the assets provided by the
grantor are initially invested or when the investment strategy of a fiduciary account is altered
to reflect changes in the beneficiary's investment objective. An account-by-account approach
also does not accommodate the complex, multi-account relationships that a bank's trust
department is frequently called upon to establish to achieve the individualized wealth
preservation and transfer goals of its customers.

The account-by-account approach also proves too much. To put this in context, a moderately
sized trust department may have on the order of 10,000 separate trust and fiduciary accounts
and a large trust department may have more than 100,000 such accounts. Under the accountby-account approach adopted by the interim final rules, changes in the amount of
compensation received during a year from a single trust or fiduciary account could cause a
bank and its entire trust operation to become an unregistered broker-dealer, thereby opening
the bank to the threat of enforcement action by the SEC and, after January 1, 2003, suits by
private parties for the rescission of securities contracts entered into by the bank. Such a result
is unreasonable, especially because a bank would not be able to determine an account's
compliance with the rules' "chiefly compensated" requirement until the end of a year, and
then may have only a single day to restructure its operations if the compensation from one
account did not meet the rules' requirements.
The proposed account-by-account approach also would impose significant and unnecessary
burdens on banks. Most banks do not have the systems in place to track the various
categories of compensation that they receive from each individual trust and fiduciary
account. In order to comply with the rules, and to continue providing traditional trust and
fiduciary services, banks would have to establish complex and costly systems and procedures
for monitoring the amount and types of fees received from each trust and fiduciary account
and these costs likely would be passed on to consumers.
The Commission recognized the significant burdens imposed by the rules' account-byaccount requirement and used its discretionary authority under other provisions of the
securities laws to adopt an exemption for banks that comply with certain conditions
established by the Commission. These conditions, however, require the bank to establish
procedures to ensure that each trust and fiduciary account complies with the rules' chiefly
compensated requirement, effectively maintaining the account-by-account approach from
which the exemption was supposed to provide relief. In addition, a bank may take advantage
of the exemption only if it significantly limits its receipt of fees that would otherwise be
permissible under the GLB Act.
The rules also impose restrictions on the trust and fiduciary activities of banks that simply are
not found in the statute and that are not consistent with the nature of the trust and fiduciary
operations of banks. For example, although the statutory exception is, by its terms, available
for all accounts where a bank acts as trustee, the rules suggest that the SEC will review banktrustee relationships and may determine that some of these relationships do not qualify for
the exception. Accordingly, the rules not only cast doubt on whether banks may continue to
effect securities transactions for a wide variety of traditional trust accounts, such as selfdirected personal trust accounts and charitable trusts, but also suggest that the SEC intends to
review and regulate the types of trust relationships that banks may have with customers. The
interim final rules also place restrictions on when a bank will be deemed to be acting in a
"fiduciary capacity" that were not included in the statute or contemplated by the Congress.
Finally, the rules interpret the statute's examination requirement in a manner that will
effectively prevent many banks from taking advantage of the statutory trust and fiduciary
exception at all. As I mentioned earlier, the Congress required that any securities transactions
under the exception be effected either in the bank's trust department or in another department
that is regularly examined by bank examiners for compliance with fiduciary principles and
standards. These requirements ensure that the customer's relationship with the bank continues
to be subject to the fiduciary examination programs of the banking agencies that have

effectively protected customers for years.
The interim final rules, however, allow a bank to effect transactions for a trust or fiduciary
account only if all aspects of the transaction--including associated data processing and
settlement--occur in a department regularly examined by bank examiners for compliance
with fiduciary principles and standards. Many bank trust and fiduciary departments outsource
securities settlement and processing functions to a third party or affiliate, or delegate these
functions to other departments of the bank to achieve cost and operational efficiencies. The
customer relationship is fully protected by trust and fiduciary principles in this case, while
the mechanics of the transaction are handled in the most cost-efficient manner. However,
banks that have structured their operations in these ways would be prohibited by the rules
from taking advantage of the exception granted by the Congress, even though their
relationships with customers are maintained in a trust or fiduciary department and regularly
examined by bank examiners for compliance with fiduciary principles.
In our view, the end result of these narrow interpretations and burdensome requirements is
that banks will be forced to significantly restructure their traditional trust and fiduciary
activities, and some banks may well be required to cease providing these traditional banking
services to customers. In addition, customers that have chosen to establish relationships with
banks will be forced to terminate these relationships or have duplicate accounts at the bank
and a broker-dealer, resulting in increased costs and burden.2 We do not believe that this was
the result intended by the Congress.
Custodial and Safekeeping Activities
Another of the exceptions included by the Congress in the GLB Act was designed to protect
the custodial and safekeeping services that banks have long provided as part of their
customary banking activities. In particular, the act allows banks, as part of their customary
banking activities, to provide safekeeping and custody services with respect to securities and
to provide custodial and other related administrative services to Individual Retirement
Accounts and pension, retirement, and other similar benefit plans.3 In this area, as well, the
Commission has interpreted the exception in a manner that is inconsistent with the language
and purposes of the act and that prevents or significantly disrupts the customary banking
relationships and activities that Congress sought to preserve.
In particular, as I noted a moment ago, the act explicitly permits banks to continue providing
custodial and related administrative services to IRAs and benefit plans. This language was
added to the bill during the House-Senate Conference to resolve any ambiguity concerning
the ability of banks to continue to provide securities execution services to their custodial IRA
customers and to benefit plans that receive custodial and administrative services from the
bank. Bank-offered custodial IRAs provide consumers throughout the United States with a
convenient and economical way of investing for retirement on a tax-deferred basis, and banks
have long executed securities transactions for these accounts subject to IRS requirements and
the supervision and regulation of the banking agencies. Banks also provide benefit plans with
custodial and administrative services, including securities execution and recordkeeping
services, under the direction and supervision of the plan's fiduciaries. These bank-offered
services allow plan administrators to obtain securities execution and other administrative
services in a cost-effective manner, thereby reducing plan expenses and benefiting plan
beneficiaries.
The Commission, however, has stated that the custody exception does not allow a bank to

effect securities transactions for its custodial IRA or benefit plan accounts. This position
essentially reads the explicit authorization adopted by the Congress out of the statute, is
completely contrary to the purposes of the act, and would disrupt long-standing relationships
between banks and their customers.
In addition, the interpretation of the custody exception adopted by the Commission would
prohibit banks from executing securities transactions for their custodial customers on an
accommodation basis. Banks, as part of their customary banking activities, have for many
years effected securities transactions as an accommodation to their custodial clients. These
customer-driven transactions occur only upon the order of the customer and allow the
customer to avoid having to go through the unnecessary expense of establishing a separate
account with a broker-dealer to effect occasional securities trades associated with the
customer's custodial assets at the bank.
In an effort to mitigate the adverse impact of these interpretations on the banking industry,
the Commission proposed two exemptions that would permit small banks, on one hand, and
all banks, on the other hand, to continue to accept orders from their custodial clients. These
SEC-granted exemptions, which could be revoked or modified by the SEC at any time in the
future, would not be necessary if the rules gave effect to the language and purposes of the
custody exception adopted by the Congress. Furthermore, these exemptions are subject to
numerous and burdensome restrictions that were not contemplated by the act and that will
make it difficult, if not impossible, for many banks to take advantage of the exemptions.
Third-Party Networking Arrangements
The GLB Act also permits banks to establish so-called "networking" arrangements with
registered broker-dealers, under which the broker-dealer makes securities brokerage services
available to the bank's customers. One provision of the statutory exception permits bank
employees who are not registered representatives of the broker-dealer to receive a nominal,
one-time cash fee for the referral of customers to the broker-dealer so long as payment of the
fee is not contingent on whether the referral results in a securities transaction.
This exception was intended to reflect and codify the arrangements that the SEC staff has
sanctioned in no-action letters issued to the banking and securities industries concerning
networking arrangements.4 These letters, like the statutory exception, permit bank employees
to receive a nominal, one-time fee for the referral of customers to the broker-dealer, and do
not attempt to establish a rigid mechanism for determining what constitutes a "nominal" fee
in every circumstance. This flexible approach has worked well for both the banking and
securities industries and has not, to our knowledge, caused significant problems.
Despite the success of this flexible approach, the interim final rules establish a rigid and
complex approach for determining whether a referral fee is "nominal." In addition, the rules
impose, or request comment on, other restrictions on referral fees that were not authorized by
the Congress. For example, the rules provide that a referral fee is nominal if it does not
exceed one hour of the gross cash wages of the employee receiving the fee. By pegging
permissible fees to the hourly wage of each employee, the rules create significant
administrative problems and may conflict with state privacy requirements that restrict access
to information concerning an employee's salary. Although the rules also allow a bank to pay
referral fees in the form of "points" in a bonus program, the rules require that any points
awarded must not only be nominal, but also must be the lowest amount awarded for any
product or service covered by the bonus program. Thus, for example, the points awarded for

a securities referral could not exceed the amount of points awarded for a safe deposit referral,
even if the points awarded for the securities referral were nominal in amount.
Failure to Address All Exceptions or Adopt Cure or Leeway Periods
The interim final rules also fail to address the scope of a majority of the exceptions to the
definitions of "broker" and "dealer" that were adopted in the GLB Act. Given the fact that the
Board believes that many of the SEC's interpretations of the scope of the exceptions it has
chosen to address do not comport with the unambiguous words of the GLB Act and the
legislative intent of the Congress, we are concerned about the manner in which the SEC will
interpret the other exceptions. The Board fears that if the SEC does not adopt rules
concerning the scope of all of the exceptions, it will aggressively interpret some of the
exceptions through enforcement actions and no-action letters, without banks and other
members of the public having the opportunity to comment on these interpretations.
The interim final rules also fail to provide any cure or leeway periods to banks that are
attempting in good faith to comply with the exceptions when they discover that some of their
securities transactions do not comply with the exceptions due to inadvertent errors or
unforeseen circumstances. Given the complexity of the exceptions, it is expected that banks
that are attempting to conform their securities activities to the exceptions will identify some
securities transactions that do not meet the terms of the exceptions. In some circumstances,
banks will not even be able to confirm that their securities transactions will comply with an
exception at the time they are conducted. For example, banks will not be able to confirm that
they meet the "chiefly compensated" standard in the trust and fiduciary exception until they
review all of their compensation earned at the end of the year. For these reasons, the Board
believes that the SEC must provide banks that have adopted policies reasonably designed to
comply with the exceptions a reasonable period of time to cure any inadvertent or unforeseen
violations. This period of time must at least be long enough for a bank to establish an
affiliated broker-dealer to which nonqualifying securities activities can be transferred.
Preserving Regulatory Roles Established by the Congress
On a broader level, we also are concerned that several aspects of the rules appear to reflect an
attempt by the Commission to regulate the banking activities of banks. For example, as I
mentioned earlier, the interim final rules seek to limit the traditional trust, fiduciary, and
custodial activities of banks and would indirectly give the Commission the ability to regulate
the scope and nature of these activities. Similarly, there is language in the adopting release
concerning the networking exception that would appear to impose restrictions on employee
bonus programs operated by banks in general, even where the affected employees have no
connection with any networking arrangement established with a broker-dealer.
In addition, NASD Rule 3040, which is referenced in the preamble to the rules, purportedly
provides the Commission and the NASD the authority to review all the securities activities
engaged in by an employee who is both an employee of a bank and a broker-dealer, including
those securities transactions that are conducted as part of the bank's traditional banking
activities and protected by one of the GLB Act's exceptions. We anticipate that such dual
employee arrangements will become more common, as banks seek to modify their activities
to ensure compliance with the GLB Act. We believe that subjecting these activities, which
the Congress has identified as part of the business of banking, to dual regulation by both the
banking agencies and the SEC would be inconsistent with the principles of functional
regulation and subject banks to unnecessary and duplicative regulation.

Conclusion
The Board believes that the manner in which the bank securities provisions of the GLB Act
are implemented is critically important to the ability of banks to continue to provide highquality banking services to their customers. We appreciate the steps the SEC has taken to
extend the public comment period on the interim final rules and delay the effective date of
the rules and the statute. However, the Board believes that significant substantive changes
must be made to the interim final rules so that they reflect the words of the statute and the
intention of the Congress. The Board stands ready to work with the SEC and the banking
industry in revising the interim final rules.
Footnotes
1. See H.R. Conf. Rep. No. 106-434 at 164 (1999). Return to text
2. The GLB Act already requires that banks send any U.S. securities trades for a trust or
fiduciary account to a registered broker-dealer for execution. See 15 U.S.C. § 78c(a)(4)(C).
Return to text
3. See 15 U.S.C. § 78c(a)(4)(B)(viii). Return to text
4. See Chubb Securities Corp., 1993 SEC No-Act. LEXIS 1204 (Nov. 24, 1993). Return to
text
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