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In recent years a dialogue has begun within the banking industry on
matters of* vital importance to its future.

A broad re-examination has been

launched into the basic structure of the industry and the traditional
arrangements for supervision.

Proposals have been advanced which range from

ideas for relatively minor adjustments all the way to plans for complete and
drastic reorganization of the system itself.
Much of the push for change has been based, I suspect, on myth, myth
generated from self-interest, or from basic misunderstandings of the system.
Many of the proposals are advanced without realistic comprehension of what
might be their actual long-range results.
It may be that this nation actually desires a re-orientation of its
banking system -- both a re-shaping of the structure and of the supervisory

But before we can determine if proposed changes lead to desirable

goals, we must strip away the myths surrounding each one of the proposals,
and take a long, hard, and realistic look at what they will actually mean.
Above all we must ask ourselves:

Has the banking system as it has

evolved actually realized the desired objectives?
experience disclosed any fundamental weaknesses?

Has the test of
Nothing short of complete

and fair answers to these questions, and others equally relevant, will do.
With the answers to the searching questions at hand, then perhaps we can
strip myths away and make realistic judgments on current proposals for change.


Many of the proposals now before the banking industry, Federal and
state supervisory bodies, and the Congress, seem to be based on self-interest.
To be sure, self-interest can be a healthy posture.

There are times, however,

when positions formed solely on the basis of self-interest can be too
narrowly limited, both in scope and in time.

Such positions often seem

to concentrate on short-term advantages.
Few would deny that "special pleading" for individual causes explains
much of the pressure for change.

Likewise, much of the resistance to

change comes from a fear of proposed departures from known, safe patterns.
Nevertheless, the existing dialogue pro and con on changes in banking
is healthy for the nation and for the financial industry -- if that
dialogue is realistic and if that dialogue is based on a thorough
understanding of what the existing system is and does.

It is healthy

also if there is a full understanding as to the ultimate results of

Such examination can be worthwhile if it re-inforces the best

in the system, if it improves the system, and if in the long run it develops
a better system.
To cite one example:
recent years.

Branching has become a paramount issue in

You savings bankers located in New York State know what a

burning issue it has been for the past ten years -- and continues to be —
despite passage in i960 of the State Omnibus Banking Act.
On each side the dialogue on branching has been more heated than
change’s sake."

There is one faction which seemingly calls for "change for
These advocates contend, in effect, that the world cannot

be moving forward without changes in existing structures, and they assert

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that old-fashioned structures are per se outdated.

There is a side which

contends that "what was good enough for dad is good enough
position that cannot he supported by

for me" -- a

the course of history without much

At the same time, personal interests dictate the positions of many
people on this question.

Undoubtedly there are those who oppose changes

in branching laws, on any level, because the present system may protect
them in an existing monopoly position.

Equally it seems true that there

are those who seek change as a means

for expansion, whether or not that

expansion is healthy, and whether or

not the means used to achieve

expansion may damage drastically the delicate banking fabric in other areas.
Active proponents of positions develop and plead their causes, always
with the "public interest" as their public reason for action, without
adequate disclosure of what their proposals might precipitate in the
long run.
As a step in the direction of better understanding it might prove
fruitful to examine these two great questions:

Why did the American

banking system develop as it did, with its great diversity of approach,
its delicate interplay of several differing and sometimes conflicting
drives and objectives, and its careful balancing of Federal and state

And secondly, what are the precise objectives of the present

system, and how are these actually achieved?




Answers to these two questions will of necessity be tentative.


the academic debates engendered by them are almost endless and often

But we can touch on some highlights which should enable us to

discuss rationally the problems created by this ferment for change.


we tamper with a system which seems to work well, we must ask ourselves
not what we as individuals or as a part of a segment of the financial
community might like for our own purposes.

We must ask rather what the

system was designed to do, whether or not we want to change that system,
and what will best fulfill the needs of the system we want, new or old.
To begin with, we must all remember that the American banking system
developed far differently than the old European system, which, at the
birth of this nation, was the only available model.

There were attempts in

the early history of the Republic to create a banking system controlled by
dominant money interest and tightly responsive to Federal controls.


Hamilton strongly supported such a system, and the first and second Banks of
the United States were created to play just such a role.
However, these efforts were ended when President Andrew Jackson defeated
efforts to extend the national charter of the second Bank of the United States.
Essentially Jackson’s action was not a sudden isolated blow, struck by one
man, but an expression of national feeling.

Part of the reason for the defeat

of that bank was the strong and widespread feeling of distrust of moneyed

There was a genuine fear that the national economy would be

controlled by a few people located on the Eastern Seaboard.

Moreover, this

emotional bias involved in Jackson’s action has survived in one form or
another up to the present.

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Far more important than the bias against money interests was the
underlying philosophy which led to the defeat of the second Bank of the
United States.

This is the philosophy of local control over financial
In essence, this has provided for a banking system

supported by capital assembled from local investors, in which local
management dominates, and through which local interests and credit needs
are served.

Additionally, the necessary public regulation has been

established on the local level as far as possible, primarily through state
During the generation before the Civil War state controls were the
only ones.

The nation preserved this philosopy of local control, even

though it meant an erratic currency mechanism and a volatile and sensitive
monetary system.

It was not until the Civil War that action was taken to

set up a national financial system.

It is notable that that system* s

major goal was not control of banking, but was instead the creation of a
new national currency entailing a system of nationally supervised banks
to issue that currency.

The first act was popularly known as the National

Currency Act, clear proof of the emphasis placed on that original legislation.
Furthermore, in March of

1865, the Congress imposed a tax on state bank

notes, to be effective on July 1, 1866.

The purpose of that action was

It was designed to drive out state bank issues of currency and

replace them with a national currency —

surely a legitimate national




The result, however, was far different, as results all too often are
when legislation changes a system in such delicate balance.
chartered banking systems were almost driven to the wall«

The stateAt the beginning

1865 there were over 1,100 state-chartered banks, compared to 638

national banks.

By the beginning of 1867, less than two years after the

tax on state bank notes was passed, there were only about 300 state banks
and 1,648 national banks.

But with a great expansion in deposit banking,

state banking systems turned the corner and began to recover. By
there were about


2,800 state banks as against 3,383 national banks, and

by 1893 over 4,000 state banks compared with 3,806 national banks.


use of deposits as a circulating medium, and, in some states, branching,
redressed the balance.

We came that close to a completely new system of

banking, responsive and responsible to national authorities only -- all
because of a major piece of legislation designed to do something far
different did not take into account all possible consequences.
Further refinement of the National banking laws, including the famous
McFadden Act of 1927, emphasized the national objective of preserving local
or state control over financial institutions.

Incidentally, it is pertinent

to observe that the McFadden Act, far from restricing national bank branching
powers, instead permitted national banks to have branches for the first
time in their history.

Up to that time they had had no branching authority.

These actions resulted in formation of the "dual" banking system, which
might perhaps be better called the "diverse" banking system.

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Additionally, when the Federal Reserve System was created primarily as
a means for easing the ebb and flow of credit and to provide a monetary
tool for national authorities, every effort was made to decentralize the

Twelve regional banks were created and given a great deal of

autonomy, and mechanisms were established for appointment of Boards which
would reflect regional interests.
When the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation was formed, its structure
was carefully tailored to prevent its domination of state systems.


powers are limited, and its emphasis has always been on close cooperation
with, and careful consideration of, state laws and state authorities.
The mutual savings bank fits naturally into this system.

The mutuals’

purpose, as you all know, is to provide a safe means whereby people may
save thrift funds, with assurance of a steady increment of principal, plus
that principal’s safety.

Given the frame work of our system, and how it

evolved, it is not surprising that the mutuals now find themselves primarily
in the older, Eastern section of the nation.

As the nation spread westward,-

the commercial banking industry gradually began to accept thrift funds.
mutuals no longer had a void into which they could move.
was an historic accident

in timing, at least.


This, in your case,

But this local orientation

plus the timing factor does explain why mutuals were not demanded in these
If we ask the question as to whether or not the American banking
system works, I think we must all agree that the answer is yes -- and for
two basic reasons.




The first, of course, is apparent to all of us.

The economy is

flourishing; our standard of living is incredibly high, compared to other
nations of the world; credit is readily available to millions who could not
dream of credit availability in other lands.

Walk down any street in the

United States and you will find evidences that the banking system is filling
its role admirably.
The second area where the American system has proven its worth is,
perhaps, less understood, and perhaps, more important.
greatest single contribution of our unique system.

It may be the

This is the distribution,

throughout the nation, of credit controls and credit availability.

North of

the United States, in Canada, financial resources are dominated by the
Ottawa-Toronto-Montreal axis.

While New York City is the largest single

money mart in the world, its position of financial power in the United
States is proportionately far less than that of Montreal in Canada.
For every New York there is a San Francisco, for every Boston, a
Seattle, for every Philadelphia, a Los Angeles, plus outstanding regional
money centers in the Midwest, the Mountain States, the Southwest, and the

There are, in addition to these, hundreds of regional and local

money centers -- and the wealth of these areas flows not to one center,
but to dozens of local ones.

Controls for allocating resources have

provided in this nation a system under which no region need go hungry for
funds because they are drained to a major center.

True, there are flows

of capital -- but the money power is fragmented to the benefit of every
region in the country.



Granting this, that the system works, and that one basic reason why it
works is this historic element of local control, we should be especially
careful when we seek to reweave the fabric of American banking.

If there

are dislocations and frictions, we should seek to cure them as delicately
as possible, but avoid doing anything to upset the whole system.


peripheral changes in the system may contain elements which are disruptive
of and ultimately destructive to the existing system.
We may choose to make such adjustments, but we should do so with a
full understanding of what we are doing.

As yet, Congress has not made any

major revision in the banking system except in times of crisis -- and even
then has always worked within the framework of the banking system’s local
Legislation recently proposed by the mutual savings bank industry in
the area of Federal chartering may be evaluated both on the grounds advanced
by the industry and in terms of the net overall effect of the legislation.
Putting aside for the moment the questions of need, and also any judgments
I might personally have on these proposals, let me suggest that you carefully
consider this measure’s key points, not on the narrow basis of self-interest,
but on the broad basis of what they will mean to the banking system as a

What will these proposals, if enacted, do to the banking structure?

To begin with, in seeking this legislation on the Federal level, the
mutual savings bank industry is departing from its historical local

The industry is asking the Federal government to set a pattern

for the states, despite the fact that some states have already decided for
themselves to operate without mutuals.

In seeking a ’’dual" system which

would put them on a par with commercial banks and savings and loan
assocations, the mutuals are ignoring the fact that many financial systems


are not dual, "but operate solely under state charters.

The noted exceptions

exist not because the industries sought dual systems but because Congress
sought to cure pressing problems in the currency and housing areas.

In the

latter instance, as some of you know, the mutuals were approached by Federal
officials and asked to help establish a Federal system, and they declined.
It was only then that the system of Federally chartered savings and loan
associations was established.
Besides marking a departure from their local orientation, the proposal
for Federal chartering contains several provisions which, whatever their
merits on other grounds, would lead to substantial revisions of the existing

In chartering new institutions through the Federal Home Loan Bank

Board, the bank-deposit status of the mutuals would be blurred, since the
Federal Home Loan Bank Board was and is designed to administer an investment
system oriented toward housing.

The existing debtor-creditor relationship

would also be weakened, if not replaced completely.
Transfer of the insurance function to the Federal Savings and Loan
Insurance Corporation would blur even further the mutuals' traditional status.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation insures bank deposits; the Federal
Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation insures investments.

The two concepts

are different, and they do lead to differences in attitude, treatment, and

They are subtle, they are real, and, in my view, they are essential.
The provision that the Federal Home Loan Bank Board may suspend or

limit payment of deposits by Board action, as may now be done for savings
and loan investment shares, strikes at the deposit orientation of the mutual
savings bank industry.

This is a fundamental change.



The broadened lending powers contemplated by the proposal go far beyond
the concept of pools of savings deposits invested for safety and a fair

In making such investments, the mutuals might be exposing themselves

to risks quite appropriate for stock institutions, but perhaps out of place
for mutual institutions.
The almost complete elimination of state controls over branching
represents a sharp departure from the existing philosophy.

The net effect

will be to force the states to liberalize all financial branching statutes
to fit the most liberal allowed any form of financial system, except life
insurance companies.
Taken together, this series of actions might well lead to a complete
relaxation of state powers, and a snowballing increment of Federal controls.
The net result probably would be a shift of emphasis to a system more akin
to systems in other nations, with strong Federal or National patterns of
supervision and regulation, and a concentration of the private initiative
in a few money centers.
Additionally, I suspect, federal chartering would increase the competition
the mutual savings banks will face directly.

Though this bill is designed

primarily to assist the mutual industry to enter other areas, it can also
intensify competition among existing institutions.

The bill would permit

other established and competing financial institutions -- savings and loan
associations, to be specific

to convert to Federal mutual savings bank

charters, and many in the savings and loan industry can be expected to convert
to secure the far broader powers allowed by the bill.

In addition, newly

chartered Federal mutuals can be opened in direct competition with existing


mutual institutions, without any state controls and with the broadest
possible investment and branching powers.

The result, most likely, would be

an immediate and sharp competitive challenge within your own areas of
operation, by institutions on a parity with you -- provided you converted
to a Federal charter,

If you kept your state-chartered status, you would

be at a substantial competitive disadvantage.
Perhaps the time has come to re-examine these proposals, not only in
the light of what the industry deems to be its legitimate objectives, itself
a proper approach, but also in the light of what these proposals will do
to the basic banking structure of the nation.

Perhaps the time has come

to strip away any myths, and to examine these proposals in the light of
I would urge each of you individually to consider these points.
delegate your basic responsibilities as
citizens of this country.

Do not

members of your industry and as

Instead, yourselves analyse the impact of all such

proposals, reach your own conclusions, and make them clear to others.
If after such an examination these measures still seem desirable, present
them to Congress and to the nation as a whole, realistically and honestly,
for full and open debate.

And in so doing, be prepared to answer? one question;

Are you prepared to show that changes in this nation’s basic banking structure
will improve it?

This is the key question you must answer, and the fundamental

question that must be weighed by the Congress.