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Safe Real Interest Rates
and Fed Policy
James Bullard
President and CEO, FRB-St. Louis
Commerce Bank
2016 Annual Economic Breakfast

Nov. 10, 2016
St. Louis, Mo.

Any opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Federal Open Market Committee.

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Introduction

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This talk
In this talk, I will discuss how a single equation can describe
much of the state of the current monetary policy debate, and
simultaneously, how the St. Louis Fed’s new approach fits
within this one-equation format.
The bottom line: Low interest rates are likely to continue to
be the norm over the next two to three years.

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A new regime-based approach
The St. Louis Fed recently changed its approach to near-term
U.S. macroeconomic and monetary policy projections.
 J. Bullard, “One Equation to Understand the Current Monetary Policy Debate,”
remarks delivered at AUBER 2016 Fall Conference, Fayetteville, Ark., Oct. 24, 2016.
 J. Bullard, “Normalization: A New Approach,” remarks delivered at the Wealth and
Asset Management Research Conference, St. Louis, Aug. 17, 2016.
 Wharton Business Radio interview, Aug. 12, 2016.
 J. Bullard, “A Tale of Two Narratives,” remarks delivered at the Gateway Chapter of
NABE, St. Louis, July 12, 2016.
 J. Bullard, “A New Characterization of the U.S. Macroeconomic and Monetary Policy
Outlook,” remarks delivered at the Society of Business Economists Annual Dinner,
London, U.K., June 30, 2016.
 J. Bullard, “The St. Louis Fed’s New Characterization of the Outlook for the U.S.
Economy,” announcement, June 17, 2016.
 All are available on my webpage under “Key Policy Papers.”

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The Monetary Policy Problem

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The policy rate
The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) operates by
setting a short-term nominal interest rate, which I will call the
policy rate. This rate then influences all other nominal
interest rates.
The current policy rate setting is just 38 basis points,
extraordinarily low by postwar historical standards.
The FOMC is considering raising the policy rate to a
somewhat higher level.
The St. Louis Fed’s rate path projection is much flatter than
those of the rest of the Committee.

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The policy rate path dichotomy

Source: Federal Reserve Board and author’s calculations. Last observation: October 2016.

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The Taylor-type policy rule
John Taylor of Stanford University is famous for his work on
what has come to be known as the “Taylor rule.”
This rule provides a recommended setting for the FOMC’s
policy rate based on current values of observable
macroeconomic variables.
In some macroeconomic analyses, versions of the Taylor rule
can provide an approximation to optimal monetary policy.
 The rule is very credible in this sense.

I will use a version of Taylor’s equation to guide our
discussion of why rates are so low today.

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The Taylor rule as a simple equation with four terms
A Taylor-type rule can be written as:
i = r† + π * + ϕπ π GAP + ϕu u GAP
On the left-hand side is the object of interest, the short-term
nominal policy rate set by the FOMC, denoted as i. The
equation recommends a current value for i.
On the right-hand side are four terms. The point of this talk is
to argue that one of these terms, r† , is most interesting in the
current macroeconomic environment.
The parameters ϕπ and ϕu are positive constants that will not
matter for the argument made here, so they can be ignored.

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Gaps Close to Zero

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Eliminating gap terms
We have the Taylor rule written as:
i = r† + π * + ϕπ π GAP + ϕu u GAP
The last term on the right, u GAP , represents the distance
between the unemployment rate and what the Committee
views as a normal rate of unemployment.
This gap is essentially zero today, so this term falls out of the
calculation.
Broader measures of labor market performance, as captured
in a labor market conditions index, also suggest good labor
market performance.

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Unemployment has declined to a low level

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics and author’s calculations.
Last observation: October 2016.

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Eliminating gap terms
Now we have the Taylor rule written as:
i = r† + π * + ϕπ π GAP
The last term on the right is now π GAP , which represents the
distance between the current inflation rate and the
Committee’s inflation target of 2 percent.
Inflation has been below target in recent years, due in part to
commodity-price effects. Net of those effects, this gap is
relatively close to zero today as well.
As a consequence, this term also falls out of the calculation.

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Smoothed measures of U.S. inflation are close to 2 percent

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, FRB Cleveland, FRB Atlanta, Bureau of Economic Analysis, FRB Dallas
and author’s calculations. Last observations: September 2016.

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The inflation target term
Now we have the Taylor rule written with just two terms on
the right-hand side:
i = r† + π *
The last term on the right is now π*, which is the easiest term
of all—it is just the inflation target of 2 percent.
I want to talk in terms of basis points—one basis point is one
one-hundredth of a percent.
Therefore, I will put in 200 for the inflation target.
This leaves only r† to be deciphered.

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The Short-Term Real Interest Rate

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The real interest rate term
The Taylor rule is now just:
i = r† + 200
The term r† on the right is the real interest rate on safe, shortterm assets like short-term government debt.
While the Fed is thought to be able to influence real rates
over short periods of time (perhaps a few quarters), real
rates are determined by market forces over longer time
periods.

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Measuring the real interest rate
One simple way to measure the real return on short-term safe
assets is to consider the one-year nominal Treasury security
and subtract a one-year smoothed inflation rate from it.
This produces an ex-post one-year real return on a safe asset.
There are other methods of calculation, but this one is simple,
model-free, and uses a relatively short maturity that allows
use of year-over-year inflation measures.

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Real rate of return on short-term government debt, r†

Source: Federal Reserve Board, FRB of Dallas and author’s calculations. Last observation: September 2016.

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Safe real returns are a lot lower than they used to be
The real rate of return on safe assets measured this way has
been more than 200 basis points lower in recent years as
compared to the 2001-2007 expansion.
This goes a long way toward explaining why the policy rate
is low today.
Furthermore, it seems unlikely that the real rate of return on
safe assets will return to its historical level over the next two
to three years.
At the St. Louis Fed, we call this a “low-safe-real-rate
regime.”

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An alternative measure of the safe real interest rate
Another way to measure the real return on short-term safe
assets is to consider a factor model of real yields, estimated
using nominal yields, survey inflation forecasts and inflation
swap rates.
 See J. Haubrich, G. Pennacchi and P. Ritchken, 2012, “Inflation
Expectations, Real Rates, and Risk Premia: Evidence from Inflation
Swaps,” RFS, 25(5), 1588-629.
 Up-to-date estimates are provided by the Cleveland Fed.

This is a measure of a one-year expected real return on a safe
asset.
The relevant measure of inflation for this real return is CPI
inflation, not PCE inflation.

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Ex-ante and ex-post real yields

Source: FRB of Cleveland, Federal Reserve Board, FRB of Dallas and author’s calculations. Last observation:
September 2016.

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Real returns are a lot lower than they used to be
The real rate of return on safe assets measured this way has
been more than 180 basis points lower in recent years as
compared to the 2001-2007 expansion.
This evidence remains consistent with the idea of a “lowsafe-real-rate regime.”

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What Does the Taylor-type Rule
Recommend?

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What does the Taylor-type rule recommend?
I have argued that the gap terms in the Taylor-type rule are
small.
I have also argued that the r† term is low and is unlikely to
change over the forecast horizon.
Using the ex-post one-year real rate from earlier, the Taylortype rule now reads
i = -134 + 200 = 66
I conclude that a single 25-basis-point increase in the policy
rate–from 38 to 63 basis points–will get us very close to the
recommended Taylor rule value over the forecast horizon.

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What does John Taylor say?
The original Taylor rule put a value for r† at +200 basis points and viewed
it as a constant that does not adjust to the changing economic
environment.
This value for r† would be an eye-popping 334 basis points larger than
the one I am recommending, and we would reach a very different policy
conclusion.
John Taylor and Volker Wieland (2016) have argued that the practice of
estimating a model-based r† is fraught with empirical difficulties.
 See J. Taylor and V. Wieland, 2016, “Finding the Equilibrium Real
Interest Rate in a Fog of Policy Deviations,” Business Economics,
51(3), 147-54; and T. Laubach and J. Williams, 2016, “Measuring the
Natural Rate of Interest Redux,” Business Economics, 51(2), 57-67.
Here we have presented measures of r† that are less model-driven.

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Multiple Regimes

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Multiple regimes
The St. Louis Fed’s new approach to forecasting and
monetary policy suggests thinking of the macroeconomy in
terms of regimes.
When the real rate of return on safe assets is relatively high, a
Taylor-type rule would recommend relatively high settings
for the policy rate. This is one possible regime.
When the real rate of return on safe assets is relatively low, as
it is now, a Taylor-type rule recommends relatively low
settings for the policy rate. This appears to be the current
regime.

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Regime-dependent monetary policy
The regimes lead to very different settings for the policy rate,
one high and the other low.
But policy is following a Taylor-type rule in both
circumstances, meaning that the policy rate can be adjusted
for deviations of output and inflation from long-run levels.
The monetary policy is “equally good” in each of the
regimes.
If there is a change of regime, monetary policy would have to
adjust to the new circumstance.

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Why Are Real Returns Low?

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Why are safe real returns low?
The reasons behind the exceptionally low real rate of return
on safe assets have been widely debated.
I will focus on three factors that may be putting downward
pressure on safe real rates of return:
 A declining trend in real rates of return on safe assets in the
U.S. over recent decades.
 The fact that investors are willing to pay premium prices for
safe assets like government debt.
 Low productivity growth.

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A declining trend
The low real return on safe assets does not mean that all real returns in the
economy are low.
Real rates of return on safe assets have been declining relative to the real
return on capital (as calculated from GDP accounts) in the U.S. for
several decades.
 This decline cannot be attributed to monetary policy.
This suggests that there has been an increasing demand for safe assets
during this period.
We call this the “high-liquidity-premium” regime.
 See D. Andolfatto and S. Williamson, 2015, “Scarcity of Safe Assets,
Inflation, and the Policy Trap,” JME, 73(1), 70-92; R. Lagos, 2010, “Asset
Prices and Liquidity in an Exchange Economy,” JME, 57(8), 913-30; and
S.D. Williamson, 2016, “Scarce Collateral, the Term Premium, and
Quantitative Easing,” JET, 164(1), 136-65.

This seems unlikely to change over the forecast horizon.

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Real returns on capital and safe assets

Source: P. Gomme, B. Ravikumar and P. Rupert. “Secular Stagnation and Returns on Capital,” FRB of St. Louis
Economic Synopses No. 19, 2015; Federal Reserve Board, FRB of Dallas and author’s calculations.

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The low-productivity-growth regime
In addition, we are in a low-productivity-growth regime in
the U.S.
The low-productivity-growth regime is feeding into lower
rates of real GDP growth and lower rates of consumption
growth than would otherwise be the case.
This is likely putting downward pressure on safe real rates of
return.
This also appears to be unlikely to change over the forecast
horizon.

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The high- and low-productivity-growth regimes

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Bureau of Economic Analysis and author’s calculations.
Last observation: 2016-Q3.

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Conclusion

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Conclusion
Because unemployment and inflation are relatively close to
their long-run values, the recommended policy rate from a
Taylor-type rule depends mostly on the safe real rate of
return.
Safe real rates of return are exceptionally low and are not
expected to rise soon, a “low-safe-real-rate regime.”
This means, in turn, that the policy rate should be expected to
remain exceptionally low over the forecast horizon.
This can still be viewed as a high-quality monetary policy, as
the Taylor rule is followed even though the level of the policy
rate is lower.

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