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Minutes of the Financial Stability Oversight Council
February 10, 2023
PRESENT:
Janet L. Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury and Chairperson of the Financial Stability Oversight
Council (Council)
Jerome H. Powell, Chair, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (Federal Reserve)
Martin Gruenberg, Chairman, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)
Gary Gensler, Chair, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)
Rostin Behnam, Chairman, Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)
Rohit Chopra, Director, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB)
Sandra L. Thompson, Director, Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA)
Jay Gallagher, Senior Deputy Comptroller for Supervision Risk and Analysis, Office of the
Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) (acting pursuant to delegated authority)
Todd M. Harper, Chairman, National Credit Union Administration (NCUA)
Thomas E. Workman, Independent Member with Insurance Expertise
James Martin, Acting Director, Office of Financial Research (OFR), Department of the Treasury
(non-voting member)
Steven Seitz, Director, Federal Insurance Office (FIO), Department of the Treasury (non-voting
member)
Adrienne Harris, Superintendent, New York Department of Financial Services (non-voting
member)
Elizabeth K. Dwyer, Superintendent of Financial Services, Rhode Island Department of Business
Regulation (non-voting member)
Melanie Lubin, Securities Commissioner, Maryland Office of the Attorney General, Securities
Division (non-voting member)
GUESTS:
Department of the Treasury (Treasury)
Nellie Liang, Under Secretary for Domestic Finance
Sandra Lee, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Council
Laurie Schaffer, Principal Deputy General Counsel
Eric Froman, Assistant General Counsel (Banking and Finance)
Sean Hoskins, Director of Policy, Office of the Financial Stability Oversight Council
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
Michael Barr, Vice Chair for Supervision
Andreas Lehnert, Director, Division of Financial Stability
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
James McGraw, Senior Deputy Director, Division of Complex Institution Supervision and
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Securities and Exchange Commission
Amanda Fischer, Chief of Staff
Commodity Futures Trading Commission
David Gillers, Chief of Staff
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Gregg Gelzinis, Advisor to the Director
Federal Housing Finance Agency
Naa Awaa Tagoe, Deputy Director, Division of Housing Mission and Goals
Comptroller of the Currency
Jonathan Fink, Associate Chief Counsel
National Credit Union Administration
Elizabeth Eurgubian, Director of External Affairs and Communications and Policy Advisor
Office of the Independent Member with Insurance Expertise
Charles Klingman, Senior Policy Advisor
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
John Williams, President
Richard Crump, Financial Research Advisor, Macrofinance Studies
Office of Financial Research
Sriram Rajan, Associate Director, Research and Analysis Center
Federal Insurance Office
Philip Goodman, Senior Insurance Regulatory Policy Analyst
New York Department of Financial Services
Karen Lawson, Executive Vice President for Policy and Supervision, Conference of State Bank
Supervisors
Rhode Island Department of Business Regulation
Ethan Sonnichsen, Managing Director, National Association of Insurance Commissioners
Maryland Office of the Attorney General, Securities Division
Vincente Martinez, General Counsel, North American Securities Administrators Association
PRESENTERS:
Update on Council Priorities
• Sandra Lee, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Council, Treasury

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Report on Cloud Services Adoption in the Financial Sector
• Todd Conklin, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Cybersecurity and Critical Infrastructure
Protection, Treasury
Council Options for Financial Stability Risks and Nonbank Financial Company Designations
• Sandra Lee, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Council, Treasury
• Eric Froman, Assistant General Counsel (Banking and Finance), Treasury
• Devin Mauney, Attorney-Advisor, Treasury (available for questions)
• Carol Rodrigues, Attorney-Advisor, Treasury (available for questions)
Executive Session
The Chairperson called the executive session of the meeting of the Council to order at
approximately 9:31 A.M. The Council convened by videoconference. The Chairperson began
by congratulating Martin Gruenberg, Chairman of the FDIC, on his recent confirmation and
welcoming Adrienne Harris, Superintendent of the New York Department of Financial Services,
as the Council’s new state banking member. She then outlined the meeting agenda, which had
previously been distributed to the members together with other materials. The agenda for the
executive session included (1) an update on the Council’s priorities, (2) a presentation on
Treasury’s recently issued report on cloud services adoption in the financial sector, (3) an update
on the Council’s options for financial stability risks and nonbank financial company
designations, and (4) a vote on the minutes of the Council’s meeting on December 16, 2022.
1. Update on Council Priorities
The Chairperson introduced the first agenda item, an update on the Council’s priorities. She
introduced Sandra Lee, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Council at Treasury.
Ms. Lee provided an overview of Council priorities, including an overview of the progress made
on the Council’s priorities in 2022 and a preview of proposed priorities for 2023. She stated that
the Council had made progress in each of the four areas that the Council identified as priorities in
2022: climate-related financial risk, nonbank financial intermediation, digital assets, and
Treasury market resilience. She said that, following the publication of the Council’s Report on
Climate-related Financial Risk in October 2021, the Council established a new Climate-related
Financial Risk Committee, or CFRC, and created working groups on data, risk assessment, and
scenario analysis to help advance the report’s recommendations. In the area of nonbank
financial intermediation, she said that the Council’s Hedge Fund Working Group developed a
quantitative risk monitor, drawing on data sets from regulators, to inform the Council’s
understanding of hedge fund risks. She also highlighted the Council’s Report on Digital Asset
Financial Stability Risks and Regulation, which was published in October 2022. She stated that
the report resulted from extensive interagency engagement and provided a foundation for the
Council’s efforts to identify and mitigate potential financial stability risks posed by digital assets.
In the area of Treasury market resilience, she said that the Council’s work on hedge funds and
open-end funds informed the efforts of the Inter-Agency Working Group on Treasury Market
Surveillance (IAWG) to examine the effects of leverage and fund liquidity risk management
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practices on Treasury market liquidity. She also noted that the Council had issued its 2022
annual report, which the Council streamlined and restructured to focus on key financial stability
vulnerabilities.
Ms. Lee said that the Council intended to make further progress on each of these four priorities
in 2023. With respect to climate-related financial risk, she said that the OFR’s Joint Analysis
Data Environment, which is intended to make a variety of data, computing resources, and
analytic software available to Council member agencies, would continue onboarding data sets
and users across member agencies, helping fill critical data and analytical gaps. She noted that
the Council was developing climate-related risk indicators for the banking and insurance sectors
and for capital markets, including new exposure metrics for bank and insurance holdings of
commercial and residential real estate and other asset classes. She also stated that member
agencies were sharing best practices regarding climate scenario risk analysis. She said that, as
discussed in the Council’s climate report, the CFRC would provide updates to the Council at
least semiannually on efforts by the Council and its members to identify and address climaterelated financial risk. She also noted that the Council planned to convene the first meeting of its
new Climate-related Financial Risk Advisory Committee, or CFRAC, in March 2023, which
would enable the Council to gather information and analysis from a broad array of stakeholders
and advance its understanding of climate-related financial risks.
With respect to nonbank financial intermediation, Ms. Lee noted that the meeting would include
a presentation on a potential approach for issuing a new framework for the Council’s efforts to
monitor and address potential risks to financial stability and replacing the Council’s existing
guidance on nonbank financial company designations. Ms. Lee also said that digital assets
would continue to be a focus of Council efforts. She noted that the Council expected to
reestablish its Digital Assets Working Group to provide a forum to share information and
monitor developments in digital asset markets. With respect to Treasury market resilience, she
said that the Council’s Hedge Fund Working Group would continue in 2023 to conduct risk
analyses and consider approaches to mitigate potential risks, in coordination with IAWG
colleagues working on related issues. She also said that in 2023 staff expected to continue to
assess risks related to nonbank mortgage servicing. Finally, she noted that she expected to
continue efforts to increase the headcount of the Council Secretariat at Treasury in order to
enhance the Council’s broader financial stability monitoring efforts.
Discussing other areas of Council focus, she said that the Council was seeking to conduct more
robust risk monitoring in various areas. She said that the Council also intended to enhance its
staff-level coordination with the Financial and Banking Information Infrastructure Committee
(FBIIC) on cybersecurity and operational resilience, to enhance the ability of the staffs of
Council and FBIIC member agencies to share information and analysis on areas of common
concern.
Following the presentation, the Chairperson said that she looked forward to continued progress
in 2023 on the four Council priorities. She said that it was also important for the Council to
consider additional areas of focus, such as cyber risks and operational resilience, and remain
vigilant regarding other emerging threats to financial stability.

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Council members then discussed the Council’s priorities for 2023, including specific areas of
focus.
2. Report on Cloud Services Adoption in the Financial Sector
The Chairperson then turned to the second agenda item, a presentation on Treasury’s recent
report, The Financial Services Sector’s Adoption of Cloud Services. She introduced Todd
Conklin, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Cybersecurity and Critical Infrastructure Protection at
Treasury.
Mr. Conklin stated that on February 8, 2023, Treasury issued a report on the potential benefits
and challenges associated with the increasing trend of financial sector firms adopting cloud
services technology. He stated that Treasury prepared the report in coordination with members
of the FBIIC. He noted that he had presented on the development of the report at the October 3,
2022 Council meeting. He also said that Treasury had consulted with various federal agencies
and external stakeholders on cloud adoption and vulnerabilities.
Addressing the report’s primary findings, Mr. Conklin stated that there was a range of maturity
with respect to cloud services adoption. He said that cloud services was no longer an emerging
technology and was widely used for e-mail and videoconferencing. He noted that financial
institutions were starting to use it for core operations, and that cloud services adoption was
expected to continue. He stated that many smaller financial institutions had moved almost all of
their operations to the cloud, but he noted that smaller institutions had also experienced difficulty
negotiating cloud services contracts and that the shift can be more expensive for smaller firms.
He stated that when configured correctly, cloud services can provide significant benefits to firms
in terms of redundancy, scalability, and security.
Mr. Conklin stated that Treasury had identified six main challenges to greater cloud adoption by
financial institutions: obstacles to transparency; gaps in expertise and tools; exposure to potential
operational incidents, including from incidents originating at a cloud service provider; potential
impact of market concentration on the sector’s resilience; dynamics in contract negotiations; and
the international landscape and regulatory fragmentation. He said that Treasury, as it evaluates
next steps, would seek to support the resilience of the financial sector’s use of cloud services.
He said that Treasury’s long-term objectives address risk assessment and mitigation; sector-wide
concentration; and domestic and international collaboration and coordination. He stated that
Treasury, as part of a multi-year effort on cloud services, would set up an interagency Cloud
Services Steering Group, which would provide updates to both the Council and FBIIC, to
coordinate on issues raised in the Treasury report. He said that key objectives of this group
would include the development of common definitions and terms; the enhancement of
interagency information sharing and risk management; and the development of an incidentresponse protocol involving cloud services. He stated that Treasury would also pursue continued
engagement with the private sector on various issues raised in the report, including issues related
to risk-management practices and contracting. He said that Treasury would lead ongoing
engagement with the Financial Services Sector Coordinating Council (FSSCC), which he said
would create a working group to address industry perspectives on cloud adoption. He said that
Treasury would also emphasize engagement with international partners, including continued
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development of international standards, principles, and recommendations, at the G7 Cyber
Expert Group, Financial Stability Board, and international financial standard-setting bodies.
Following the presentation, the Chairperson stated that cloud services has the potential to
enhance security and operational resilience among financial institutions. She noted that the
financial sector’s concentrated dependency on a limited number of providers of critical cloud
services is a potential risk. She expressed support for the report’s proposals for enhanced
coordination between the public and private sectors.
Council members then asked questions and had a discussion regarding oversight of cloud service
providers, the use of artificial intelligence in cloud services, cybersecurity events involving cloud
service providers, and next steps for Treasury’s engagement on this issue.
3. Council Options on Financial Stability Risks and Nonbank Financial Company
Designations
The Chairperson then introduced the next agenda item, an update on a potential analytic
framework describing how the Council identifies, evaluates, and addresses risks, and potential
new guidance on the Council’s process for designating nonbank financial companies for Federal
Reserve supervision and prudential standards. The Chairperson began by emphasizing that the
Council should be able to use any of its statutory authorities when appropriate. She said that in
most cases, the Council would address issues across an entire sector, or promote collaboration
and information sharing among regulators. She stated, however, that there can be cases where
designation is appropriate. She said that she believes it is necessary to revise the Council’s
current nonbank financial company designation guidance to enable that work. Second, she said
that the Council should have a robust approach to identifying and addressing financial stability
risks, whether they arise from activities or entities. She said that staff had made progress in
developing an approach on these issues.
She then introduced Sandra Lee, Deputy Assistant Secretary for the Council at Treasury, and
Eric Froman, Assistant General Counsel (Banking and Finance) at Treasury.
Ms. Lee stated that the Council’s Deputies Committee had collaborated to develop a new
proposed approach for the Council’s risk assessment efforts and the Council’s process for
nonbank financial company designations. Mr. Froman then provided a brief background on the
history of the Council’s nonbank financial company designations guidance. He said that the
Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (Dodd-Frank Act) lists 14 duties
for the Council, which largely address risk monitoring, information sharing, and making
recommendations. He said that one of the Council’s duties is to designate nonbank financial
companies for Federal Reserve supervision and prudential standards. He said that the DoddFrank Act sets forth the standard for designation—that material financial distress at the company,
or the nature, scope, size, scale, concentration, interconnectedness, or mix of the activities of
the company, could pose a threat to U.S. financial stability. He noted that the Dodd-Frank Act
also lists the factors the Council is required to consider in designating a nonbank financial
company. He said that the Dodd-Frank Act also provides a high-level process for a proposed
and final designation.
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Mr. Froman stated that in 2012, the Council adopted a regulation on nonbank financial company
designations, to which interpretive guidance was attached as an appendix. He said that the
interpretive guidance described the substance of the Council’s review of nonbank financial
companies for designation, and set forth additional procedures, creating what was at that time a
three-stage process. He stated that the Council, applying the 2012 guidance, designated four
nonbank financial companies in 2013 and 2014. He said that in 2015, the Council approved
supplemental guidance that provided additional due process, primarily in the form of expanded
engagement between the Council and companies under review. He stated that between 2016 and
2018, all four previous nonbank financial company designations were rescinded, one by court
order and the other three by Council votes.
Mr. Froman stated that in 2019, the Council replaced the 2012 interpretive guidance with new
guidance. He noted three aspects of the 2019 interpretive guidance. First, he said that it
described how the Council would prioritize its efforts to identify, assess, and address potential
risks and threats to U.S. financial stability through a process that begins with an activities-based
approach. Second, he said that it described the Council’s analytic approach in nonbank financial
company designations, including adding requirements for cost-benefit analysis and the
consideration of the likelihood of a nonbank financial company’s material financial distress
when evaluating it for a potential designation. Third, he said that it described the Council’s
procedures for designation. Mr. Froman noted that the process for nonbank financial company
designations set forth in the 2019 guidance made few changes to the Council’s existing guidance
and practices at that time regarding engagement with companies under review and their
regulators.
Ms. Lee described the new proposed approach, which contemplates issuing a framework for
monitoring and addressing risks and replacing the Council’s 2019 guidance with new procedures
for nonbank financial company designations. She said that, in developing the new framework
and guidance, the Council was promoting three goals: focusing on the Council’s duty to identify
and respond to risks to financial stability, without prioritizing some of its tools over others;
providing transparency to the public on how the Council identifies and addresses financial
stability risks; and removing the impediments established in the 2019 guidance that would
unduly limit the Council’s ability to designate nonbank financial companies. She stated that to
fulfill the Council’s statutory mandate, it is important for the Council to have a rigorous
framework in place for identifying, assessing, and addressing risks. She said that the Council’s
approach should promote its ability to identify risks whether they arise from activities, firms, or
elsewhere, and should also enable the Council to address those risks using any of its tools as
appropriate.
Ms. Lee then described the draft Council framework for identifying, evaluating, and addressing
risks, which sets forth the substantive analytic approach the Council takes in its work. She noted
that the framework would apply to any of the Council’s work, regardless of whether that work
resulted in a nonbank financial company designation, informal regulatory collaboration, or
another outcome. She noted that the Council has a wide range of statutory tools for addressing
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also noted that the Council most frequently relies on its authority to work with Council member
agencies to share information, collaborate, and address risks.
Mr. Froman described a separate document under development, which would replace the 2019
guidance and would be attached as an appendix to the Council’s 2012 regulation on nonbank
financial company designations. He stated that the draft document would address the Council’s
process for nonbank financial company designations, rather than the analytical substance of such
designations. He described the process set forth in the draft guidance. He concluded by
discussing the next steps in the development of the new framework and procedures, including
anticipated issuance of the proposals for public comment.
Council members then asked questions and had a discussion about the Council’s authorities
under the Dodd-Frank Act to address risks to U.S. financial stability, the Council’s process for
identifying and reviewing nonbank financial companies and the process for issuing the new
framework and guidance.
4. Resolution Approving the Minutes of the Meeting Held on December 16, 2022
BE IT RESOLVED, by the Financial Stability Oversight Council (Council), that the minutes
attached hereto of the meeting held on December 16, 2022 of the Council are hereby approved.
The Chairperson asked for a motion to approve the resolution, which was made and seconded.
The Council approved the resolution by unanimous vote.
The Chairperson adjourned the meeting at approximately 10:52 A.M.

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