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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF LABOR
Frances Perkins, Secretary
B U R E A U OF L A B O R ST A TIS TIC S
Isador Lubin, Commissioner

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Labor Laws
and Their Adm inistration
1939
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Proceedings o f the T w en ty-difth Convention o f the
International Association o f Governmental
Labor Officials, Tulsa, Okla.
September 1939

Bulletin 7s[o. 678

U N IT E D ST A TE S
G O V E R N M E N T P R IN T IN G OFFICE
W A S H IN G T O N : 1940

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CONTENTS
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International Association of Governmental Labor Officials:
Review of labor legislation in 1939— President’s address, by Martin P.
Durkin____________________________ _____________________________________
Federal Department of Labor:
The accomplishments and future of the United States Department of
Labor, by Marshall E. Dimock, Second Assistant Secretary of
Labor___________________________________________________________________
Factory inspection and industrial hygiene:
Raising the standards of factory inspection, by Miss Carol Riegelman,
International Labor Office____________________________________________
Industrial hygiene and the worker’s health, by Leonard Greenburg,
New York State Department of Labor______________________________
Exhaust ventilation in industry, by Leslie C. Stokes, Illinois Depart­
ment of Labor__________________________________________________________
Building of safe machinery, by R. P. Blake, United States Division
of Labor Standards____________________________________________________
Industrial hygiene in factory inspection, by Clyde McClure, Illinois
Department of Labor__________________________________________________
Discussion____________________________________________________________
Training for State labor department inspectors, by Marian L. Mel,
United States Division of LaborStandards___________________________
Carrying the safety message to the 92 percent, by Joseph T. Faust,
Illinois Department of Labor_________________________________________
Social security:
Employment security for workers, by Oscar M . Powell, United States
Social Security Board__________________________________________________
Discussion____________________________________________________________
Unemployment compensation— Report of committee on unemploy­
ment compensation, by George E. Bigge, chairman_________________
Recent developments in old-age assistance— Report of committee on
old-age assistance, by W . A. Pat Murphy____________________________
Adjustment of industrial disputes:
Some aspects of the work of the National Labor Relations Board,
by Edwin A. Elliott, National Labor Relations Board________________
The record of the New York State Labor Relations Board, by Paul
M . Herzog, member of the New York State Labor Relations
Board_____________________________________________________________________
Discussion______________________________________________________________
Housing:
Housing for the American worker, by John W . Edelman, United
States Housing Authority_______________________________________________
How to get good housing for workers, by Philip M . Klutznick,
Omaha, Nebr., Housing Authority______________________________________
Discussion______________________________________________________________




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Wages and hours legislation:
Administration of the wage and hour law, by Merle D. Vincent,
United States Wage and Hour Division______________________________
Discussion___________________________________________________________
Minimum wages, September 1, 1938, to September 1, 1939— Report
of committee on minimum wages, by Louise Stitt, chairman______
Minimum-wage legislation in Canada, by Mrs. Rex Eaton, British
Columbia Department of Labor______________________________________
Discussion___________________________________________________________
Women in industry:
Women in industry, September 1, 1938, to September 1, 1939— Report
of committee on women in industry, by Mary Anderson, chairman. _
Discussion____________________________________________________________
Youth in industry:
Apprenticeship— Report of committee on apprentice training, by
Voyta Wrabetz, chairman______________________________________________
Discussion____________________________________________________________
Child labor:
Child labor in 1939— Report of committee on child labor, by Beatrice
McConnell, chairman___________________________________________________
Discussion____________________________________________________________
Wage-claim collection:
Wage-claim collection— Report of committee on wage-claim collection,
by E. I. McKinley, chairman______________
Discussion____________________________________________________________
Industrial home work:
Industrial home work— Report of committee on industrial home work,
by Morgan R. Mooney, chairman____________________________________
Civil service:
State departments of labor and civil service— Report of committee on
civil service, by E. B. Patton, chairman_________________________
Progress of civil-service reform in Canada, by Adam Bell, Deputy
Minister of Labor of British Columbia_________________________________
Discussion____________________________________________________________
Small loans:
Small loans— Report of special committee on small loans, by E. B.
Patton, chairman_______________________________________________________
Discussion____________________________________________________________
Business meetings— Reports and resolutions:
Report of the secretary-treasurer________________________________________
Report and recommendations of the executive board__________________
Resolutions adopted by the convention--------------------------------------------------Report of the auditing committee__________________
Report of nominating committee________________________________________
Appendixes:
Appendix A .— Organization of the International Association of Gov­
ernmental Labor Officials:
Officers of the I. A. G. L. O., 1939 -4 0_____________________________
Honorary life members______________________________________________
Constitution_________________________________________________________
Development of the I. A. G. L. O __________________________________
Appendix B.— Persons attending the twenty-fifth convention of the
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Letter o f Transmittal

U nited S tates D epartment of L abor,
B ureau of L abor S tatistics ,
W a s h in g to n , D . C ., J u n e 1 0 , 194.0.

T he S ecretary of L abor :

I have the honor to transmit herewith a report on Labor Laws
and Their Administration, 1939, embodying the proceedings of the
Twenty-fifth Convention of the International Association of Gov­
ernmental Labor Officials, which convened in Tulsa, Okla., Septem­
ber 7, 1939.
I sador L u b in , C o m m is s io n e r .

Hon. F rances P erk ins ,




S e c r e ta r y o f L a b o r .

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Bulletin 7S[o. 678 o f the
United States Bureau o f Labor Statistics

Labor Laws and Their Adm inistration, 1939
The International Association of Governmental Labor Officials
held its twenty-fifth annual convention at Tulsa, Okla., convening on
Thursday, September 7, 1939, and closing on Saturday, September 9,
1939. Representatives from 18 States, the District of Columbia,
Puerto Rico, two Provinces of Canada and the International Labor
Office were present at the convention.
At the opening session addresses of welcome were made by Hon.
T. A. Penny, mayor of the city of Tulsa, MacG. Williamson, attor­
ney general of the State of Oklahoma, and Hon. Leon Phillips,
Governor of the State of Oklahoma.
In his opening address President Martin P. Durkin (director of the
Department of Labor of Illinois) outlined the Federal and State
legislation passed in 1939 which affected labor. The importance of
the amendments to the Federal Social Security Act were stressed
by him. He stated that in 1939, in spite of a tendency in the States
to enact antilabor legislation, labor laws in a number of States were
improved and strengthened.
The progress made in important fields of labor legislation and in
the administration of such legislation, presented through the reports
of standing committees and general discussion, occupied the first
part of the convention. An address by Marshall E. Dimock, Second
Assistant Secretary of Labor, on the present accomplishments and
future possibilities of the United States Department of Labor, which
was delivered at an evening session, was broadcast on Station ROME.
The administration by Federal and State offices of such important
legislation affecting labor as laws on labor relations, housing, and em­
ployment security, and the Federal wage and hour law, was described
in a series of papers at other sessions, and interesting points brought
out in the general discussion.
The importance of factory inspection and industrial hygiene was
stressed in a number of papers and in the general discussion thereon.
A representative of the International Labor Office described the efforts
being made to raise the international standards of factory inspection.
The business of the convention was considered at the opening and
closing sessions. The president presided at the opening session of
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the convention and at both business sessions.
other sessions were as follows:

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The chairmen of the

Voyta Wrabetz, Industrial Commission of Wisconsin, afternoon session,
September 7.
W. A. Pat Murphy, Department of Labor of Oklahoma, evening session,
September 7.
E. I. McKinley, Department of Labor of Arkansas, morning session,
September 8.
Adam Bell, Department of Labor of British Columbia, afternoon session,
September 8.
Forrest H. Shuford, Department of Labor of North Carolina, morning and
afternoon sessions, September 9.

The twenty-sixth annual convention will be held at New York City
in September 1940.
In the following presentation of the proceedings of the 1939 con­
vention the arrangement is by topics rather than chronologically.




International Association o f Governmental
Labor Officials
R ev iew o f Labor Legislation in 1939
P r e s i d e n t 's A d d r e s s

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M a r tin P. D u r k in

Since the beginning of 1939, all of the State legislatures have met
in regular session with the exception of four (Kentucky, Louisiana,
Mississippi, and Virginia). The first session of the Seventy-sixth
Congress also convened on January 3d and after continuous delibera­
tions for 7 months adjourned August 5th.
In the session of Congress recently ended and in most of the States,
legislation was passed of vital importance and interest to labor. In
some instances, the legislative measures were of a restrictive nature,
especially in the field of industrial relations. It may be said, never­
theless, that in spite of this tendency in several jurisdictions, a con­
siderable number of acts were adopted benefiting the wage earners of
the Nation.
It is not my intention in this talk to outline in detail the various
laws passed during 1939, but rather to indicate only the high lights of
this legislation and to leave the discussion of details for later sessions
in this conference.
With regard to Federal legislation, the amendments to the Social
Security Act are of outstanding importance in that they provide
greater security to a greater number of workers. Amendments to
the old-age insurance section of the Social Security Act provide that
monthly benefit payments will begin in 1940 instead of 1942 as here­
tofore specified, liberalize the payments to retired workers, make eligi­
bility requirements easier for persons retiring earlier, and provide
benefits for aged wives, widows, dependent parents, and children.
Amendments to the old-age-assistance section provide that the max­
imum amount of assistance for which a State may obtain 50 percent
financial aid from the Federal Government was increased from $30
to $40 pe^ month.
Further amendments authorized increased Federal aid to States for
public health, vocational rehabilitation, crippled children, and mater­
nal and child welfare.
Notwithstanding the recommendations of the National Health Con­
ference to Congress, nothing was done about the Wagner bill pro-




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viding health insurance. In addition, it might also be noted here that
no State enacted a health insurance law during 1939. I f we are to
have a completely integrated social security program in this country
a plan for health insurance is a necessity.
In addition to the amendments to the Social Security Act, other
Federal legislation of interest to labor included amendments to the
railroad unemployment insurance law, the Federal Employers’ Lia­
bility Act, and a number of acts applicable to seamen.
In the field of State legislation, the most important measures sub­
mitted to the legislatures affecting labor were those restricting the
right of employees to organize, bargain collectively, etc. Many such
bills were presented to the various legislative bodies, but in only four
States (Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) did
legislation result. Briefly reviewing previous legislation in this field,
I might state that following the passage of the national labor relations
law five States, including Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania,
Utah, and Wisconsin, adopted so-called “baby Wagner” acts modeled
after the Federal law. Two of these States (Pennsylvania and W is­
consin) drastically changed their laws during 1939. In all four of
the States passing legislation during 1939 there is a striking simi­
larity in the type of legislation adopted. Unfair labor practices
have been defined both for employers and employees. Provisions were
included outlawing so-called sit-down strikes and granting to em­
ployers the right to petition for elections. Likewise prevailing in
this type of legislation has been the prohibition of the check-off of
union dues unless the employees by secret ballot have specifically
authorized the deduction in writing. Even the procedure that must
be followed prior to the calling of a strike or lock-out is prescribed.
The Massachusetts Labor Relations Act was amended by requiring
that the appropriate collective bargaining unit be designated, when­
ever desired by a majority of the craft. Other States that considered
the subject matter of labor relations in some form or other and in
a positive manner, include Alabama, Connecticut, Florida, and
Vermont.
I might also mention here that Connecticut and New Mexico enacted
new laws regulating the issuance of injunctions in labor disputes, and
that anti-injunction legislation is now a part of the law in 24 States.
In spite of the tendencies to enact antilabor legislation this year,
a number of States improved and strengthened their labor laws,
particularly in the field of hours of labor, minimum wages, work­
men’s compensation, and social security.
Seven States (California, Montana, New Hampshire, North Caro­
lina, Oregon, South Carolina, and Vermont) passed laws authoriz­
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Division and the Children’s Bureau of the United States Depart­
ment of Labor in the enforcement of the Fair Labor Standards
Act.
Utah extended the 8-hour day and the 48-hour week law to cover
females in any industry, with limited exceptions. Montana pro­
vided an 8-hour day and 48-hour week for persons employed in
restaurants and eating places. Pennsylvania established maximum
hours for females employed in charitable and welfare institutions
operated on a nonprofit basis. Massachusetts extended the one-dayrest-in-seven law to mechanical establishments and workshops. The
suspension of the night-work law for women in textile plants in
Massachusetts was again extended, this time until 1941. On the
other hand, New Hampshire made certain exemptions from provi­
sions of the one-day-rest-in-seven law and New Mexico amended its
law to permit females to work 7 days provided the 8-hour day and
48-hour week was not exceeded.
The new minimum wage law passed in Connecticut was the out­
standing legislation in this field. This law eliminates the use of
directory orders and makes all wage orders mandatory immediately.
The Maine Legislature passed a minimum-wage law covering women
and minors working in the fish-packing industry. Minnesota
amended its minimum-wage law by adding telephone operators
to the list of exempted employments. During the past year the
Utah Supreme Court declared the minimum-wage law of that State
constitutional, and attempts to repeal the minimum-wage law in
Oklahoma were rejected by that legislature.
Legislation authorizing the creation of apprenticeship councils
was passed in California, Minnesota, and North Carolina. In Ne­
vada, the commissioner of labor was authorized to appoint an ap­
prenticeship council.
West Virginia was the only State to pass an industrial home-work
law during 1939. The brief review prepared by the Division of
Labor Standards indicates that this law follows the principles estab­
lished by the I. A. G. L. O. to the extent that employers are required
to obtain a permit and pay a small license fee to carry on industrial
home work, that it requires each home worker to secure an annual
certificate, and that it requires home-work materials to be labeled.
In addition, provision is made for investigations and enforcement
o f the law with penalties, and home work in a number of specified
industries is prohibited.
The State of West Virginia also passed a new child-labor act.
The brief review of this law by the Division of Labor Standards
indicates that it does not reach the minimum standards established
by the I. A. G. L. O. No additional States ratified the Federal childlabor amendment during 1939 and the count still stands at 28 States




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that have so far approved it. The United States Supreme Court,
however, rendered an important decision in relation to the ratifi­
cation. The Court on June 5, 1939, ruled that the amendment was
still subject to ratification by the States, even though it has been
pending for a period of 15 years. (C o le m a n v. M i l l e r , 59 Sup. Ct.
972; C h a n d le r v. W i s e , 59 Sup. Ct. 992.)
Indiana passed a new wage-collection law during 1939. This
legislation requires payment of employees separated from the pay
roll within 24 hours, except in case of discontinuance of work due to
labor disputes, when payment shall be made at next pay day, and
authorizes the labor commissioner to take assignment of wage claims
for less than $100 for collection purposes. An amendment to the
New Hampshire law also authorizes the labor commissioner to act
for the claimant in the collection of wages not to exceed $200. These
wage-assignment provisions should expedite the collection of numer­
ous small claims against single employers.
Considerable legislation was passed in the various States concerning
workmen’s compensation, occupational diseases, and health and sani­
tation. Arkansas became the forty-seventh State to pass a work­
men’s compensation law. The effective date of this law, however, has
been held in abeyance pending the outcome of a referendum to be
voted on by the people in 1940. The provisions of this law indicate
that there is still a tendency to limit the coverage to employers hir­
ing a given number of workers. Until workmen’s compensation
acts include every worker we cannot regard them as providing ade­
quate security against the hazards of industrial accidents.
Legislation increasing either the amount or duration of medical
benefits or amounts of benefit payments in particular instances was
passed in Arizona, California, Illinois, Kansas, Maine, Maryland,
New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas, Washington,
and Wyoming. The changes in the workmen’s compensation law in
Pennsylvania amend or abolish some of the desirable provisions in
their former law.
From an accident-prevention point of view the amendment enacted
by the Maine Legislature requiring reporting within 7 days of all
industrial accidents causing either loss of time for 1 day or requiring
medical attention is significant. I f the inspectors are to operate
effectively, immediate reports of accidents are imperative, and in
addition the reporting of accidents requiring minor losses of time
provide an indication of the type of accidents which might have been
more serious and allow installation of needed safety devices.
Arkansas, Idaho, and Maryland passed new occupational-disease
laws during the year. The Arkansas law covers 38 diseases, with
provisions for extension of the list. The Idaho law contains 11 groups
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34 occupational diseases and provides for specific agencies to recom­
mend increases in this list. These new laws make a total of 30 juris­
dictions compensating for occupational diseases. These jurisdictions
include 24 States, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, the Philippine
Islands, Puerto Pico, and the United States laws for civil employees,
longshoremen, and harbor workers.
During the year, Ohio amended its occupational-disease law to cover
“ any other occupational disease,” thereby providing a flexible law,
and Minnesota enlarged the list of compensable diseases to include
some diseases due to the hazards of fire fighting.
The establishment and reorganization of departments of labor was
the subject of legislation in some States. Unless I am mistaken, the
reorganization in the State of Alabama has resulted in bringing to­
gether all of the functions which come under the head of “ labor”
and centralizing the responsibility for enforcement of all legislation
which has to do with labor. The new department of industrial rela­
tions is given the powers formerly in the department of labor, mine
inspectors, unemployment compensation commission, and compensa­
tion commissioner. In addition, a single three-member board is
created to handle appeals in connection with unemployment com­
pensation, appeals from department’s orders concerning use of unsafe
machinery or equipment, and to issue industrial health and safety
rules.
A reorganization in Kansas separates activities in connection with
administration of workmen’s compensation from the State depart­
ment of labor and industry. Provisions in the law authorize the
commissioner of labor and industry to create a research division, a
factory, mill, and mine division, a women’s and children’s division, an
unemployment compensation division, and a wage-hour division.

The creation of a department of industrial relations in Vermont to
take over all functions of the former commissioner of industries, who
was located in the department of public service, should be noted.
Legislation in Minnesota and Rhode Island takes the administration
of unemployment compensation and of the employment service out of
the departments of labor.
The transfer of the United States Employment Service out of the
United States Department of Labor may cause disintegration and
may lead to similar action in the States. It is noteworthy at this
time that the Senate Committee considering Senate bill No. 1620
concerning a national health program would place the administration
of industrial health in a division of industrial hygiene in the United
States Department of Labor. Further, this bill also provides for
agreements with State departments of labor for similar arrangements
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In conclusion, let me say that this association should guard against
such changes or amendments which would weaken already existing
labor laws; that we should see that means of proper enforcement are
provided by necessary appropriations for personnel and for adequate
training programs so that this personnel will function more effi­
ciently; and finally, we should cooperate whole-heartedly with the
United States Department of Labor in its effort to extend its pro­
gram of assisting the States in the administration of labor laws.




Federal Department of Labor

T h e Accomplishments and Future o f the United States
Department o f Labor

By M a r sh a l l E. D im o c k ,

S econd

A ssista n t

S e c r e ta r y

of Labor

When the Federal Labor Department prospers the State labor de­
partments are likely to prosper, and when the Federal Department
falls on evil days the States are pretty sure to be adversely affected
also. The same forces which affect one operate equally upon the
other. We rise and fall together. It is a reciprocal, mutual rela­
tionship which we are considering.
The United States Department of Labor has the largest interest
group constituency of any governmental agency in the country, ap­
proximately 33 million workers, almost a fourth of whom are or­
ganized. Yet, despite the Department’s significant gains in activities
and financial support of the last 6 years, it is the smallest one in
Washington today.
A comparison is enlightening. In spite of the fact that industrial
workers are nearly three times as numerous as farmers, the Depart­
ment of Agriculture, which represents the l l ^ million farmers and
farm workers, is given a billion and a half dollars (counting farmrelief expenditures) to look after their welfare; while the Depart­
ment of Labor, whose purpose is to promote the welfare of 33^2
million workers, gets an appropriation of 25 million—one-sixtieth as
much.
I do not contend that the Department of Labor needs a billion and
a half a year or more, or anything like that, but I do contend that on
the score of both accomplishment and need, it deserves far more than
it receives at present.
In speaking frankly about the Department’s needs and possibilities
we must take care not to overlook the splendid accomplishments of the
last few years. The Bureau of Labor Statistics has been reorganized
and greatly expanded in its scope and usefulness. The Children’s
Bureau has grown in strength and scope as it has moved into Federal
relationships with the States on both a grants-in-aid and a lawenforcement basis. The Women’s Bureau has also added to its prac­
ticality and effectiveness, while the Conciliation Service has been
revamped and become one of the most signficant instruments in our




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economy. Finally, in a difficult period of unemployment, the Immi­
gration Service has protected American interests by its vigilance and
efficiency, and at the same time has endeavored to perform all its
functions with strict regard to the principles of justice and equity.
New and important activities have been added. The Division of
Labor Standards meets a long-felt need for information and service,
and now constitutes one of our principal points of contact with your
departments in the States. The Public Contracts Division has had
a busy time and has rendered a valuable public service in helping to
stabilize wage scales. The United States Employment Service has
been one of the administration’s big guns in the attack upon the de­
pression. Finally, the Wage and Hour Division, rapidly becoming
one of the largest units of the Department, contains possibilities for
strengthening and improving our economic fabric whose benefits are
lasting and difficult to overemphasize. I think you will agree that
this record of growth, in and of itself, is a source of great encourage­
ment and satisfaction.
In the last 6 years, however, the Department of Labor has done
more than put out new branches—it has been a seedbed. Within its
confines have germinated, with or without outside assistance, many of
the country’s major programs, chief among which are the C. C. C., the
social security law, the various labor boards, the N. R. A., and part of
the public-works program. It is merely a sober statement of fact to
observe that if the programs which were thought out and rooted in
the Department of Labor had remained in that department, it would
be today one of the largest, rather than the smallest, of Washington’s
departments. That influence is not measured by size and numbers
alone, as the recent history of the Department of Labor clearly
illustrates, I need hardly tell this audience.
It is characteristic of us Americans to look forward rather than
backward, however, and to be impatient with what we have and are,
as good as they may be. The Department of Labor sees challenging
opportunities for larger and more vital accomplishments, could re­
sources but be made available for meeting them.
At this point the question arises, How are we to judge what needs
to be done; what objective or objectives differentiate our work from
that of other Departments; how shall we measure the extent of our
success? Although separate questions, all three of these may be con­
sidered as oneI seem to be thinking in. terms of three’s, because I am going to
suggest three tests by which the Department of Labor may judge
itself:
( l ) Is it rendering the services which its clients want, and in
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(2) Is it as complete and progressive as the best developed labor
departments in the several States, and is it really servicing those
which need help ?
(3) Are its programs and decisions in the public interest?
There can be no doubt, I think, that in the long run the lastmentioned test, namely public interest, is the ultimate one. However,
it needs to be emphasized at the same time that unless you take due
and just care of the first two requirements, namely the two interests
you serve, you will not have a chance to contribute to the third, the
public interest. Both survival and influence are controlled in con­
siderable part by the extent to which an institution renders service
to the group which nurtures and supports it.
A department of labor’s relationship to its clients is a subject in
itself and not the one assigned to me this evening. I should merely
like to observe that the problem which all of us face is that of
finding out what the primary needs of labor are, and finding suit­
able ways of making progress in that direction.
From this point on, let us concentrate upon the second of the two
tests I have enumerated, the service which the United States Depart­
ment of Labor may be able to render to the labor departments of the
several States. First of all, it is our job to serve you. Or, expressing
the same idea with more exactitude, perhaps the United States De­
partment of Labor is charged with a trusteeship which results from its
being the one agency which is large enough to include all interests, all
48 States. It has very few action programs of its own, aside from the
administration of immigration and the Fair Labor Standards legis­
lation. Bather, it carries on studies and research, suggests standards
and methods, acts as the channel for the flow of funds, and provides
field agents for collaborative purposes—all that the work you are
doing in the States may be assisted as much as possible.
It should be noted in passing that the Department of Agriculture
underwent a series of steps in its growth similar to that of the Depart­
ment of Labor. Starting out with the need for research and the
exchange of information, it moved on to Federal extension stations;
then was seen the need to apply the results of scientific research di­
rectly to the farmer; a grants-in-aid system was accordingly fostered;
finally, there followed regulative and direct assistance functions, dis­
charged to a large extent by voluntary organization and Federal-Statelocal cooperation. I f you will study the history of our own Children’s
Bureau, you will find that it closely parallels this series of steps. All
of our labor departments do. The growth of government functions
relating to city wage earners is simply somewhat slower. But, note
this important point: as direct services are added to merely research
activities, the agency undertaking them is bound to grow in public
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appreciation, and hence in size and influence. As our labor depart­
ments undertake action programs, therefore, let us be aware of the
social implications and possibilities connected therewith.
From one point of view, the Federal Department should merely
do what the States request of it; from another standpoint it must
take the lead if progress is to be made along all fronts. It must keep
apace of the advanced States and yet, when invited to do so, walk
closely beside those States which are having more difficulty getting
ahead.
As a minimum requirement, the United States Department of Labor
should include in its service and organization all those programs which
form the common pattern at the State level. This is merely a wTay of
saying that it should assist at the Federal level in what the States
are doing out in the field. But does it ?
Here we begin to be specific. Practically all of the States have
workmen’s compensation commissions, but there is no corresponding
entity within the framework of the Federal Department. Perhaps
all of us would do well to heed again the words expressed by Secretary
Perkins in her 1934 Annual Report to Congress:
I recommend the transfer to the Department of Labor of the Federal Work­
men’s Compensation Commission: First, for purposes of administrative coordi­
nation, and, second, for the purpose of bringing this important subject within
the ministerial functions of the Department of Labor where it will profit by
the cooperative relationship with State Workmen’s Compensation Commis­
sions. * * *

The Department in Washington also lacks an administrative set-up
for industrial hygiene work, although it now seems to be on the road
toward securing one. We have every hope that a new title will be
added to the Wagner health bill providing for a flow of funds
through the United States Department of Labor to the several States,
assisting them in their control of industrial hazards and their com­
pensation work. As you know, the Department has a well-developed
advisory service on industrial hygiene already, but it has been handi­
capped financially. This new program, if and when enacted, would
recognize the interest of the Public Health Service in the field and
would concentrate upon the enforcement functions in the States.
Several State labor departments are equipped to deal with indus­
trial relations. This is an area which is bound to be greatly expanded
in future years and if preparation for growth is not made in labor
departments it will occur elsewhere. Labor departments are the log­
ical place. It is therefore time that we gave thought to more com­
plete and effective administrative machinery. To me it seems clear
that an expanded industrial relations program, centering around
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Department of Labor may also be expected to advance in future
years.
Closely related thereto is the need for apprenticeship and other
training programs and for improved workers’ education generally.
This is a subject about which I should like to talk at some length.
I must be content merely to observe that the various bureaus know
a great deal about subjects which trade-unions and citizens want to
learn about. But we have not perfected adequate techniques of
transforming statistics and factual information into readable form
and then finding inexpensive media through which the thousands
who want this information can get ready access to it. Why don’t we
provide the industrial workers with the equivalent of Agriculture’s
farm bulletins ? What service could we render which would be more
gratefully looked upon by Congressmen desirous of sending helpful
information to their constituents? Perhaps if we put our heads
together we can work out something which will fill the bill.
Irrespective of the administrative arrangements, a department of
labor cannot relinquish its interest in an adequate system of employ­
ment offices. Profitable employment opportunities are a main con­
cern of any labor department; and employment offices, directly
related to this objective, exist in order that the labor market may
be organized to give wage earners the easiest, most effective access
to existing jobs. Our Federal Department takes just pride in the
accomplishments of the United States Employment Service under
the Wagner-Peyser Act. Our interest in this field is not abated by
the recent reorganization order transferring the Service outside the
Department, where we hope it will continue to develop.
The social insurances which are created for workers’ welfare and
which organized labor has been chiefly instrumental in securing are
naturally looked upon as a field in which labor department activi­
ties may be expected to expand. Of these, unemployment compensa­
tion is naturally the most intimately related to existing programs
within the Federal Department. It is interesting to note that the
President’s Committee on Administrative Management in 1937 should
si ate specifically that such services, which labor looks upon as a mat­
ter of “ right” rather than of “need,” should be attached to the
Department of Labor.
Over a period of time we may expect to see a gradual drawing
together of the numerous and diverse labor agencies which have been
created at the Federal level. I have referred to several of these
already. In addition, there are various tribunals dealing with juris­
dictional matters and with particular industries which eventually will
probably find that their best interests are served in the process of
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The Department of Labor needs a general staff, an expanded exec­
utive force. It is a Department in which industrial crises, such as
the recent coal strike, are the normal rather than the exceptional
occurrence. Trouble shooters are needed. It is a Department which
is supposed to clarify and bring forward labor’s interest in every
matter affecting workers throughout the length and breadth of Wash­
ington’s acres, and it seems to us most of the time that almost every
question of any consequence does have a labor angle. The operation
of Government shipping lines, check-off systems on public works,
and the expansion of the airplane industry to meet mobilization
needs are recent cases in point.
As you can see, there are a variety of things which deserve more
attention than they can be given with the limited budget and person­
nel now available. This work is not that of a bureau—it is the work
of executives within the Secretary’s office itself. It is interesting and
also encouraging that Congress recently gave the Department of
Commerce a quarter of a million dollars for the very purpose I have
in mind.
We need an expanded field organization. Without it we cannot
even contact you regularly, much less serve you adequately. In this
vital respect we are weak. In the United States Employment Service
we had a field organization of excellent coverage, next only to that of
the Department of Agriculture. Gradually other units, such as WageHour, Children’s Bureau, and Labor Standards are strengthening
their field operations. What we need, however, I am convinced, is
a carefully worked-out plan wherein is provided regional centers and
offices along the lines of the labor departments of Great Britain and
New York State. Service has to be taken to the user before it is of
much value in this day and age.
In attempting to indicate some of the directions in which the
United States Department of Labor may move in the future, I have
not tried to look more than a few years ahead. I suppose no one
of us can. What happens to State and Federal labor departments,
and to the labor movement itself, is bound up with national and
international problems whose issue is by no means clear. It seems
perfectly certain, however, that labor departments and organized
labor will continue to prosper only so long as democracy and the
free-market system remain intact in any country, but that they are
doomed if these fail.
Organized labor needs to work harder to make labor departments
strong and serviceable. On the other hand, we officials are not doing
all we should and can do to find out what our constituents want.
I personally have confidence that the future of the United States
Department of Labor is a promising one, despite the adverse factors to
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useful functions. It has a good personnel. I know of no Federal
agency which produces more from the taxpayer’s dollar than this one,
the smallest of all Federal Departments. It is clearly one of the
Federal Government’s best battlers in the fight upon our internal
economic problems. It is doing fundamental economic analysis and
remedial work. It could do far more if more encouragement were
given it.
What may the Department of Labor become sometime in the future ?
Shall I prophesy? It might become one of the largest departments
in Washington. I f to its present bureaus were added workmen’s com­
pensation, industrial hygiene enforcement work, an augmented indus­
trial relations service, training and educational programs for workers,
a national employment service, social insurances, labor boards, and
railway labor agencies, then a general staff and an adequate field
organization would almost automatically come into being.
The social function is there. The need is great. Millions are
still unemployed. Does the Department of Labor possess the ability
and the backing to transform visions into living realities? We look
to you, our professional constituents, to help us find the way.




Factory Inspection and Industrial Hygiene

Raising the Standards o f Factory Inspection
By Miss C a r o l

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I n te r n a tio n a l L a b o r Office

This is the first time that I have had the privilege of meeting with
the members of this association, but your discussion and your proce­
dure seems to me very familiar. The International Labor Organiza­
tion is concerned with many of the same problems that have been
treated here, and it deals with them in much the same way. While
the participants of your meetings come largely from the States and
Provinces, the meetings called by the I. L. O. are attended by repre­
sentatives coming from its member nations. At the present time the
membership of the I. L. O. consists of 57 nations. While the mem­
bership of the I. L. O. is by the governments of nations, participation
in its meetings is almost always tripartite. Indeed its international
tripartite structure is a unique feature of the I. L. O. At the last
annual conference, held in June 1939, there were 345 persons taking
part, coming from 46 different nations. Each country, in accordance
with the constitution of the I. L. O., has four votes—two government,
one employer, and one worker. While the number of delegates is
limited to four, each may be accompanied by one or two advisers for
each item on the agenda of the meeting. The employers’ and workers’
delegates and advisers must be nominated by the most representative
employers’ and workers’ association of each country.
Government, employer, and worker representatives come together
at the meetings of the I. L. O., whether at the annual conference or at
the numerous sessions of special technical conferences and committees,
to consider labor problems which affect standards within a country
and the competition between countries, much as you are meeting to
consider these problems as they affect your State and Nation. The
similarity of approach may be illustrated by sketching briefly some
o f the subjects under consideration at the I. L. O., and in particular
the question of factory inspection.
The international aspects of this problem were recognized before
the I. L. O. came into existence. The first concrete steps to deal with
the problem were taken as early as in 1890 at the Conference of
Berlin when the international regulation of labor questions was first
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both nationally and internationally to improve methods of inspec­
tion and provide for adequate enforcement of labor standards is set
forth in a detailed report published by the I. L. O. in preparation
for the annual conference of 1940. As is indicated in this report,
the question was discussed at the 1919 peace conference and was in­
corporated in the guiding principles of the constitution of the I. L. O.,
namely: “ Each State should make provision for a system of in­
spection in which women should take part in order to ensure the
enforcement of the laws and regulation for the protection of the
employed.”
In 1923 the International Labor Conference adopted a “ Recom­
mendation concerning the general principles for the organization o f
systems of inspection to secure the enforcement of the laws and the
regulations for the protection of the workers.” This recommenda­
tion sets out what may be called a model code of labor inspection. A
number of countries, including Belgium, Spain, Sweden, and Swit­
zerland, have made partial reforms in their inspection system
so as to bring them into line with specific points laid down in the
recommendation, and two countries, Rumania and Estonia, have
taken the recommendation as a basis for the organization of their
new labor inspection service. In Cuba, in Ecuador, and in Vene­
zuela, the labor inspection services organized during recent years are
modeled on this recommendation. Since the adoption of the 1923
recommendation, such progress has been made in laying down stan­
dards of labor inspection by international action that it is now hoped
that the 1940 conference will give these principles the more binding
form of an international convention. While both recommendations
and conventions must be adopted by a two-thirds vote of the con­
ference, more specific obligations grow out of a convention than a
recommendation. A recommendation that has been adopted at an
annual conference must be submitted within 18 months by each mem­
ber nation of the I. L. O. to the competent authority or authorities
for consideration, and each country must then make an annual report
as to any steps taken to put the principles of a recommendation into
effect. No further obligation is derived from a recommendation.
On the other hand, once a convention has been adopted, each country
must, also within 18 months, submit the text for ratification. I f
ratification is refused, there is no further obligation on the national
body. However, if the competent authority ratifies a convention,
the nation is obliged to see that its terms are carried out and must
report to the I. L. O. annually on the steps taken to see that the con­
vention is observed throughout the nation. These reports are closely
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The I. L. O. has thus been doubly concerned with raising standards
of inspection—first by its direct efforts to lay down principles to be
carried out nationally, and second in endeavoring to ensure enforce­
ment of the social legislation laid down in its international con­
ventions. In 1934 it was suggested that the International Labor
Office organize periodical meetings of representatives of national
inspection services to increase the mutual collaboration between these
services as well as between the inspection services and the inter­
national office. Two regional conferences were held, one at The Hague
in 1935 and one in Vienna in May 1937. In January 1936, at a
special regional conference of the American States members of the
I. L. O., held in Santiago, Chile, special emphasis was placed on the
importance of labor inspection and on the need for a special conven­
tion on this question.
As a result of these various initiatives, a meeting was held last
spring in Geneva of qualified representatives of 34 nations to pre­
pare a text for a convention. The United States, represented by
Mrs. Beyer, participated actively in the conference.
It was
interesting to note the extent to which the principles and standards
approved by you in your various meetings are accepted the world
over. Although substantive law may be quite different as to form
and even as to purpose in the various countries, the methods of
making it effective through inspection are much the same. There
was general agreement at the meeting that all labor-law inspection
should be coordinated in one departmSnt; that the inspector should
have free access to all places of employment and to records bearing on
employment; that employers should post notices as required, should
provide safe work places, and should submit plans for new build­
ings and for new operations involving hazards to the factory-inspec­
tion division for approval; that cooperation of employer and labor
with the inspection service should be maintained.
In general, it may be said that while the United States has pro­
gressed beyond the European countries in some aspects of factory
inspection, it is behind them in others, as, for instance, in the quali­
fications and training of the inspection staff. A mass of technical
information is presented in the report, which I referred to earlier,
which has been published by the I. L. O. for the 1940 conference.
Another example of the kind of problem that is dealt with in
your meetings and that has played a part in the meetings of the
I. L. O. is that of apprenticeship. The need for a recognized
apprenticeship program in each country was voted by the confer­
ence last June and approval was given by all three groups—govern­
ments, workers, and employers alike—to recommendations setting
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standards are in line with those promoted by your organization,
and might be used by you in securing adoption of State legislation
making the regulations of the labor-standards aspects of apprentice­
ship a permanent function of the State labor department.

Another subject under consideration at the last conference of
interest to you was the hours of work of bus and truck drivers.
After more than 2 years of discussion and preparation, the con­
ference of 1939 adopted a draft convention which, when ratified,
will regulate the hours that drivers and their helpers on public
vehicles may work, and will determine the number of compulsory
rest periods they must be given. The convention provides that the
normal hours of work for the persons covered shall not exceed 8
in the day and 48 in the week. It prohibits any driver from
driving for any continuous period of more than 5 hours. At least
12 hours of rest must be given in every 24-hour period. Normally,
also, in every 7 days there must be 30 consecutive hours of rest, of
which not less than 22 must fall in the same calendar day. There
are a number of exceptions permitted to each of these standards
in order to make the convention flexible in application. In spite
of these exceptions, the convention sets up a model code for reg­
ulating driving hours which is considerably stricter than the reg­
ulations laid down in most of the States of the United States or
in the rulings of the Interstate Commerce Commission. I f it is
widely applied it will mean a real increase in safety and in the
betterment of the working conditions on road transport.
These are examples of the kind of problem with which the I. L. O.
deals. Social insurance, women in industry, elimination of child
labor, vocational training, industrial hygiene, and more particularly
reduction of hours of work, are all subjects that have been continu­
ously dealt with as research projects and in the various meetings
during the 20 years of functioning of the I. L. O. These questions,
when drafted into the form of recommendations and conventions,
have become part of what we now proudly call the International
Labor Code. The carrying out of social research, the adoption of
conventions and recommendations, and the giving of technical advice
and assistance, as well as furnishing information on social problems,
constitute the normal peacetime function of the I. L. O.
But, you will ask, what does all this mean now ? Can the I. L. O.
carry on with several of the major countries engaged in war? The
question is difficult and challenging, but it is not a new one. It has
already been answered in practice by courage and careful planning.
Though the final outbreak of war may have been a shock, it was no
surprise to those who have lived and worked in Europe during the
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individual has been prepared and has planned what to do in case war
came. The I. L. O. preparations have been on two levels—first, there
have been the relatively simple plannings as to what preparatory
steps should be taken by the individual members of the staff. In
this regard the staff union cooperated with the administrative section
o f the office in laying down certain simple definite regulations. For
example, every individual, ever since early last spring, has been re­
quired to keep ready for immediate use two blankets, a supply of
gasoline, a certain amount of money, regular supplies of food for
2 days, and, in accordance with a Swiss decree, 2 months’ supplies
of certain specified foods, such as sugar, which would be forbidden to
be sold immediately after the outbreak of war. We did not expect
to need these commodities, but in the constant tension of the past
year, such precautions were accepted as part of the normal course
of life. The second and more difficult level of preparatory planning
concerned the general policy of the I. L. O. itself. The part that the
I. L. O. can play in seeking to maintain social progress during war
and in preparing for peace when it comes has been carefully thought
out by the Director, by his Governing Body, and by the member
nations— and it formed the subject of a full discussion at the annual
conference last year. Mr. John G. Winant, the newly elected Ameri­
can Director of the I. L. O., presented the issue squarely in the
foreword to his first annual report, submitted to the conference as a
basis for debate. He stated:
It is not an easy matter to face the realities of the present situation and to
continue to function within the limits of a nonpolitical organization, because
the tasks we must set ourselves to do are necessarily influenced by the dis­
turbances and confusions in the world in which we live. But I am certain that
neither member governments nor nonmember governments would wish to see
the I. L. O. used as an agency of foreign policy in the field of politics. On
the other hand, in approaching labor and social problems we are forced to face
the economic consequences of war and peace. * * * The degree to which
opposing policies have compelled universal military preparedness, and the in­
fluence that such action has had on the everyday life of people is very much the
business of the International Labor Organization. W e know that the diversion
of a substantial part of the total income of any nation from useful production
and services to armaments reduces standards of living. W e know these costs
are added to each loaf of bread we buy, to every acre of land we cultivate,
and to the length of day we labor to earn a living. These costs are the realities
under the intangible shadow of war.

He continued, after discussing the similarity between war and the
conditions brought by near-war, by showing that even armed peace
has some of the same hard consequences. He added:
The desire to speed up production leads to a prolongation of hours of work,
with resulting danger to the health and safety of the workers. The standards
set by protective legislation and by collective agreements with regard not only
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combined with the tendency for wages and earnings to fall behind prices as a
result of inflationary conditions, lead to friction between employers and workers
over the whole area of industrial life unless foresight and constructive action
prevent. An attempt should be made to anticipate the needs arising from
these situations and to outline a basis of international action.

He stated in closing this discussion:
Just as the world economic crisis caused the International Labor Organi­
zation to expand its activities to meet demands made upon it, and thereby
enlarged its influence and membership, so the present international political
crisis calls not for a contraction of activities but for an increasing effort and
greater energy.

When the June conference met, it had before it, in addition to
the Director’s report, a special document entitled “ The policy of the
I. L. O. in the event of an acute international crisis.” I should like
to cite certain passages of this document, as it outlines the way in
which the greater effort spoken of by the Director should be applied.
This document was drafted by a special committee consisting of a
limited number of members of the Governing Body, appointed by
the Governing Body at its October 1938 session. The Governing Body
is the executive organ of the I. L. O. and meets regularly at least four
times a year. It is composed of 32 members, 16 representing govern­
ments and 8 each representing employers and workers respectively.
O f the 16 government members, 8 are appointed by the 8 chief in­
dustrial countries and include the United States and Canada, and
8 are elected by the other government members of the annual con­
ference. The 8 employer and 8 worker members are elected as in­
dividuals by the employers and workers groups of the conference,
meeting separately and privately. Following the September crisis
last year, the Governing Body appointed a special committee to con­
sider what should be the work of the Organization in case of crises
of war, and to act for the Governing Body in case it should prove
impossible to convene a meeting at any time in the future. I believe
that at the present time, a meeting of the special committee at the
beginning of October may temporarily replace the normal fall meet­
ing of the Governing Body. The committee met during the winter
and spring of last year and finally drafted the report from which I
am going to quote. It was adopted by the Governing Body and sub­
mitted to the conference. The report, after recalling a unanimous
decision of the Governing Body that the office should maintain the
fullest possible activity that the circumstances permit, states:
The Governing Body had in mind that, even though a war should take on
an extensive character, the great majority of the members of the Organi­
zation would not, at all events in its early stages, be engaged in hostilities and
that therefore so far as they are concerned the Office should maintain its
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The report continues by stating that the neutrals would be entitled
to expect the organization to continue its normal services to them, and
then adds:
If a large-scale war should involve a widespread disorganization of economic
life, all countries will probably have to face social problems of great gravity.
More particularly, war in Europe is likely to produce a sharp intensification of
the present tendency toward the industrialization of extra-European countries.
* * * Such an intensification of extra-European industrialization will inev­
itably bring in its train social and labor problems in the solution of which the
I. L. O. could play a useful part.

The report then continues:
The continued participation of as many states as possible in an active I. L. O.
would serve to preserve and perhaps to develop the technique and habit of inter­
national collaboration which might otherwise be lost and which would appear to
furnish the only possible basis on which to build up a solid and enduring peace.
Judging from past experience the existence of a state of war would give a new
acuteness to labor problems and lead to a great intensification of social legisla­
tion, in belligerent countries as well as in those not engaged in hostilities.

The report then goes on to cite the kinds of problems which would
have to be dealt with and on which the I. L. O. could be of use, men­
tioning the problem of the relation between wages and cost of living,
and the need to adapt the available information on these matters, prob­
lems of labor supply, functions of employment exchanges, develop­
ment of training institutions, substitution, etc. Tfye problems of
fatigue resulting from increased hours of labor and intensification of
effort, night work, etc., would also necessarily preoccupy the adminis­
trations dealing with labor and social questions. More technical prob­
lems would also arise, such as in the sphere of industrial medicine,
where the experience of 1914-18 showed that occupational diseases
which had previously been unknown as such became of urgent impor­
tance, owing to the use for the first time on a large scale of products
and processes previously used only on an experimental scale. A sim­
ilar position is likely to exist as regards safety problems. The voca­
tional rehabilitation of wounded persons would be of first-rate im­
portance, and the importance of the vocational rehabilitation work
already undertaken by social-insurance institutions in peacetime
would probably lead to their playing a leading role in this connection.
Technical questions would arise in connection with contributions, the
maintenance of rights, benefits, the relation between social insurance
and war pensions, and the methods of adjusting the financial position
of insurance funds. The I. L. O. would be the natural agency through
which the social-insurance institutions could pool their experience in
dealing with these problems.
At the conference many delegates took up the part the I. L. O.
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to the Director’s report, others explaining, in view of the international
situation, the difficult position in which they were placed in working
for social reform. But all pledged their full support for the con­
tinuation of the work of the I. L. O. I should like to quote from the
speech by M. Jouhaux, French workers’ delegate, who in explaining
the reason why he would permit a postponement, for the time being,
of reduction of hours of work, for which he had so long led the
national and international movement, stated:
The present situation cannot last indefinitely. It is our hope that the firm
resolve of the democracies will bring the situation to an end in a renewal of
peace, but we must remember that even if a reign of peace is restored, problems
will again arise owing to the fact that the peoples of the world will be ex­
hausted. Unemployment will increase on a vast scale in the democratic coun­
tries and the social problem will be so acute that it will have to be solved very
quickly indeed. The International Labor Organization will at that stage have
to take steps to restore the situation. The question of the 40-hour week will
come before us again; as such problems did after the world conflict of 1914-18
and we shall have to solve the problem if we are to avoid social chaos.

He concluded:
I f the sacrifice that the workers are willing to make now is not understood
by the governments, then when peace returns the sacrifice will have proved to
be in vain.

This statement was made by M. Jouhaux last June. How wellwarranted his fears were regarding the effect of war on working con­
ditions has already been demonstrated in France, for, according to
the newspapers 2 days ago, the French Government has increased
hours of work to 72 a week. Perhaps the greatest service the I. L. O.
can render is to be fully prepared, as its special committee pointed
out, to act “ as an instrument of cooperation between governments,
employers, and employed during the difficult period that is likely to
follow immediately upon the termination of hostilities.” The I. L. O.
is already studying the serious problems of the effect of armament
building as well as mobilization upon employment, and the no less
serious questions of how to bring about demobilizaton, not only from
the armies of warring countries, but also from the wartime industries
of neutral nations without too great a dislocation of industry and
with the greatest possible regard to social consequences. The I. L. O.
must and will continue to function at the present time with no lessen­
ing of its activities, and through these activities it will be able really
to further the world-wide improvement of standards of living. This
meeting here shows that social questions transcend state boundaries;
the I. L. O. has demonstrated that social problems recognize neither
national frontiers nor national political difficulties. As Mr. Winant
pointed out in his report:
The need for such an instrument as the International Labor Organization is
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as the Organization can count on the support of the three elements— govern­
ments, employers, and workers— on which it is founded, it will be able to
continue its struggle for social justice.

Industrial Hygiene and the W orker’s Health
By

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N e w Y o r k S ta te D e p a r tm e n t o f L at)or

The matter which I have to discuss this morning is very simple,
and I see no reason to present a complex picture of the problem
of industrial hygiene as it affects the inspector, the labor department,
and the worker. It seems so logical a development in the field of
health protection and safety protection that it is amazing that we
have not done more about it in labor departments in the United
States up to this time.
It is pertinent in this connection to look at the history of the
development of factory inspection, because it is quite impossible
to expect that one can protect the health of the worker without some
organized, administrative, legally supported technique o f control;
and that is what the inspection division is or should be. These sys­
tems o f factory inspection, for the most part, took their origin in
the protection of child labor and female labor. This, I take it,
is an outgrowth of the British Child Labor Acts, which, of course,
were the roots from which all protective work in industry subse­
quently spread. You will recall that the Child Labor Acts were en­
acted primarily because of the hardships imposed on indentured labor
in Great Britain at the beginning, and during the early days, of the
industrial revolution.
In the United States, in 1887, factory inspection was conducted
in six States— Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York,
Ohio, and Wisconsin—and in all there were 19 inspectors. The
duties of these inspectors and the duties of the division of inspec­
tion were primarily to protect the health of working children and
women in industry. In 1887, the Association of Factory Inspectors
was organized and from that time onward increasing attention has
been given to the problem of the protection of workers against the
health hazards of industry. About 1890, woman inspectors began
to be attached to various departments of labor; and this, I think,
should be borne in mind as an important trend from the social point
of view. At the present time, departments of labor are looking
after a great many diversified kinds of industries, establishments,
persons, processes, and materials. In fact, it is hard to discover
any fixed pattern in labor departments’ inspection services. For
example, you will find that some labor departments do boiler inspec­
tion; some inspect elevators, fire escapes, buildings and places of
public assembly; others inspect industrial home work, mercantile




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establishments, beauty parlors, employment agencies, lumber camps,
and, o f course, the great category of factories, which play a major
role. Curiously enough, in one or several of the States such inspec­
tions include bedding and bedding materials.
An important landmark in this whole field is the famous report
of the New York State Factory Investigating Committee, and I
think it is important that all of us who have not seen that monu­
mental document study it at the first favorable opportunity. In
New York State there were two outstanding fires in 1911. One was
the burning of a shirtwaist factory in New York City in which 126
young girls were burned to death; and the other was an overall fac­
tory in Binghamton, N. Y., in which I think 30 or 40 persons met
their death. These two conflagrations put the New York State Leg­
islature in a mood to do something constructive about working condi­
tions in factories, and in 1911 a now famous committee was formed,
known as the New York State Factory Investigating Committee. The
labor department we now have in the State of New York is primarily
due to this committee and the vision of the persons who served on it.
The chairman of the committee was Robert F. Wagner, and the
vice chairman, Alfred E. Smith. Members of the committee were
Simon Brentano, Mary E. Dreier, and Samuel Gompers, and others.
Chief counsel was Abram I. Elkus, assisted by Bernard L. Shientag,
who later became Commissioner of Labor in the State of New York.
I f my recollection serves me correctly, Frances Perkins was an inves­
tigator for this committee. So you can see the committee was well
fortified with able, outstanding people.
That committee examined the whole question of factories, factory
inspection, and factory regulation in the State of New York and
rendered a report, from which I should like to quote one or two
statements which I believe to be particularly pertinent:
In this the greatest industrial State of the Union but little attention has
been paid to the preservation of the State’s most precious asset, the workers
within its bounds. Consequently, very little attention has been given to the
department which is charged with the responsibility for safe and sanitary work­
ing conditions. The principal work of the department consists in the inspection
of factories and the enforcement of the statutes relating to the health and
safety of employees. To this branch of the department’s work the commission
has devoted much attention. That the present system of factory inspection in
this State is inadequate is the opinion of every witness who appeared before
the Committee at public hearings and in executive sessions. This inadequacy
of factory inspection is due to the lack of proper statutes and to the lack of
sufficient number of inspectors, especially inspectors with scientific and tech­
nical training. Inspections of factories are infrequent; some are not inspected
as often as once a year. No attention has been paid to the prevention of indus­
trial poisoning and disease or to the supervision of workers employed in danger­
ous trades. The department of labor has confined its efforts to acting as a
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provisions of the statutes. It has failed utterly in developing its true
as a department of education for establishing closer and more frequent
relations between worker and employer and for enlisting their active
tion, not only in the enforcement of the law, but in the steady and
improvement of working conditions.

function
friendly
coopera­
constant

As a result of these statements and beliefs, the committee went on
to make certain recommendations, and I should like to read you one
relating to industrial hygiene:
The lack of a staff of trained scientific inspectors has always been a draw­
back in the enforcement of the labor law. It was not until very recently that
a mechanical engineer was appointed who is also an expert on accident pre­
vention. He receives a salary of $3,500.

It then recommends certain provisions for technical staff in the
New York State Department of Labor, and says:
There will thus be created within the department an expert group of inspec­
tors with scientific training who will perform the following functions: (1) Make
inspections highly technical in character of factories, mercantile establishments,
and other places subject to the labor la w ; (2) Conduct special investigations
of industrial processes and conditions with a view to recommending the adop­
tion or modification of standards, rules, and regulations of the industrial la w ;
(3) Prepare material for leaflets and bulletins calling attention to dangers in
particular industries and precautions to be taken to avoid them. This division
will act as an expert investigating body on the subjects of industrial poisoning
and diseases, dangerous trades, prevention of accidents, ventilation, lighting,
and have charge of many other problems of sanitation and safety which for
their proper solution require the careful, scientific study of experts. To leave
such an important matter to the ordinary field inspector as has been done here­
tofore is a waste of time, of money, and is productive of no results. Neither
the manufacturer nor the employee benefited thereby. It should be borne in
mind, also, that the necessity for careful supervision is greatest in those very
trades and occupations in which conditions are presented that are beyond the
comprehension of the ordinary inspector.

It is quite apparent that this group saw the problem which was
before the department of labor. They recognized the fact that indus­
try presented very many technical problems which the ordinary in­
spector could not handle in his routine fashion. It became necessary
to set up a trained staff of qualified personnel to deal with these spe­
cial problems; and today we see a crystallization of these ideas of
the famous New York Factory Investigation Committee in the divi­
sion of industrial hygiene.
What are we trying to accomplish, anyway ? What are we after in
this whole program of factory inspection? It seems very simple.
We are trying to provide the worker with an environment which will
not be detrimental to his health, both from the viewpoint of accident
and of disease, or both. And, that environment, of course, consti­
tutes the factory building itself, all of the machinery in the building,
all of the processes with which the worker is employed, all the mate-




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rials which he uses, and all of the end products which he produces
in his daily work. The end product is important, because nontoxic
substances may be mixed and result in a toxic end product.
These plants with which we are dealing are not primarily designed
for health and safety. They are primarily designed for production.
O f course, we see a great many plants and organizations today where
those in charge are very well informed on these problems. Some com­
panies have taken these problems to heart and often have done a suc­
cessful job in protecting the health of the worker.
It is apparent for the control of these particular problems that we
must have several tools at hand. In the first place, there must be an
adequate labor law. And the labor law must be of such a character
that it can keep pace with the technical developments of industry.
In other words, it must be a flexible labor law. The members of the
New York State Factory Investigating Committee were pretty smart
about this also. They understood this part of the problem; and I
should like to read you one or two statements they made on this ques­
tion because I believe they are pertinent and significant. They said :
The ineffectiveness of the administration of the labor law in the State of New
York is due in large measure to defects in the law itself. Many provisions of
the law now in force are so imperfect, inadequate, or antiquated as to preclude
the possibility of successful administration.

and later o n :
The labor law is framed on what we believe to be a mistaken theory that the
requirements for the protection of the health and safety of workers should all
be expressed within the four corners of the statute itself.

In other words, as they looked at the statutes in New York State at
that time, they realized that the statutes were so drafted that only
those things specifically included therein were subject to enforcement
by the labor department; anything which was outside of the statutes
was not enforceable and not a part of the law governing factories
and working conditions.
They [the statutes] fail to take into account the varying conditions in different
industries. In some instances * * * the provisions of law were made so
vague and indefinite that their meaning or application could not be determined
at all or had to depend on the exercise of an administrative discretion, a oneman discretion so arbitrary in character and so calculated to work injustice
that it is either not exercised at all or when exercised became a natural sub­
ject of discussion on the part of the courts.

The committee recognized this procedure as fallacious and was of
the opinion that the legislature should make broad and general re­
quirements for safety and sanitation, setting forth, where practicable,
minimum requirements, and delegating to some responsible authority
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tions. This is the procedure now operative in many States of the Un­
ion, and it is very satisfactory. In other words, the legislature sets up
the broad powers of the labor law and the labor department; and then
somebody, some separate body with quasi-judicial powers, is author­
ized to promulgate codes. That is how the development and promul­
gation of codes resides in labor departments. These codes are
supposed to govern the conduct of labor in any particular process or
part of industry. This is a very essential part of a good labor depart­
ment. An inspector cannot do a good job if he has a poor labor law
or poor codes, and the codes cannot be effective without the aid of an
adequate staff of qualified inspectors on the one hand, and a staff of
industrial hygiene experts on the other—experts who are trained to
render medical, engineering, and chemical service so as to help the
inspectors enforce the code. All of these approaches to the problem
go together.
This technical division, which is often referred to as the division
of industrial hygiene, is such a group of technical persons—physi­
cians, chemists, engineers, and safety experts. They aid the code
division draft such codes by supplying the necessary technical infor­
mation ; and they help the inspection division enforce them. Further­
more, they provide the necessary technical service and advice to the
inspection division so as to guide them in their efforts to determine
whether or not a particular process is dangerous or hazardous. The
division of industrial hygiene thus provides a source of information
with reference to hazards. You cannot expect the factory inspector
to be informed about all industrial hazards because he has a large
number of routine inspections to perform. It is not humanly pos­
sible for him to be familiar with the great body of literature on
industrial hazards; to know about the chemical and the medical as­
pects of the problems involved; or to understand the engineering
techniques required efficiently to control dangerous fumes or gases in
factories. All one can hope to do is to have the busy factory in­
spector do the more routine work, and make available to him such
technical data or services as he may require in his work. And this
technical group of “ industrial hygienists,” composing what is called
the “ division of industrial hygiene” (or, as one of your members
expressed it, I believe, at your last annual meeting at Charleston, a
“ division of health and safety” ), should know about the important
industrial hazards. The division of industrial hygiene must, among
other things, keep in constant contact with the developing literature
in this field. I f a new substance is developed and it is particularly
toxic, there should be somebody in the division of industrial hygiene
who is informed and knows about it. This means that there must
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lines without a fairly good and adequate library or without contacts
with adequate library material.
The division of industrial hygiene must know about new health
hazards as soon as they arise; and, in fact, it must anticipate some of
them. It must know and study and learn about the new hazards,
because sometimes their use develops rapidly and if one is not on
one’s toes, they may produce serious damage before you are aware
of it. We had an example of this in our State not so long ago. We
learned that some of the printing companies in Philadelphia were
using benzol in their printing ink and that one man was seriously
ill. He later died. We immediately conducted an investigation in
this rather new type of fast, high-speed printing work in the city of
New York. We examined all of the men employed in the four
plants engaged in this type of work, and we learned of some serious
cases of poisoning. We have cleared up this whole problem. In
addition, we have closed compensation cases for the men who were
actually poisoned, not severely, but enough to make them stay away
from work for a few weeks; and we have completed an arrangement
with the company so that their men are routinely examined at one
of the clinics and one of the medical schools of New York twice a
year. A publication on that subject has been released.
In addition to knowing about these hazards, it is important and
essential to know how to control them. That means that while the
medical man on the one hand studies the hazards, with the help of
the chemist, who determines the amount of toxic material in the
atmosphere, the engineer plays his part in designing exhaust ven­
tilation and other measures for the removal or control of the hazard.
We have made an extensive study of the foundry industry in the
State of New York, and we have one engineer who spends his full
time on foundries. He does nothing else but go around the State
advising foundries what to do and how to do it in order to control
their dust problem.
Then the division must deliver this information which it has accu­
mulated to the inspectors of the department, to industry by means
of personal contact and written contact, and to the workers through
contacts with the labor unions. It is essential for a division of indus­
trial hygiene not to play along with the inspection department alone,
but to play along with industry continually and with workers continu­
ally in the labor union.
A very important part of the division’s work is to aid the inspec­
tion division in enforcement. For example, if an inspector believes
that a process is hazardous and issues an order and gets the division
of industrial hygiene to back him up in that order and say, “We
have sampled the atmosphere and find that there is a dangerous
amount of dust there,” the inspection division then is in a position




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to go to court, if necessary, to enforce its order against the employer.
Very frequently it is important to let industry know that the inspec­
tion division has such information, and then you rarely have to go
to court about it.
The division of industrial hygiene must carry on a continuous pro­
gram of education. That means that one must speak at meetings and
deliver written material to industry at meetings or other times on all
pertinent subjects. You must have available publications on the more
important industrial hazards and their prevention, so as to be able to
deliver this matter over to industry; and actually, if the case makes it
necessary, send a personal representative into industry ,to show them
how to do the job.
In addition to these parts in the program, the division of industrial
hygiene must play a part in the preparation of new codes. It is
important that the labor law be elastic. It is important that
codes be prepared from time to time to take care of changing
conditions in industry; and in order to have these codes properly
prepared, properly drawn and enforceable, it is important to put them
on an objective basis so that they may stand up in court if necessary.
I might refer to several codes which we have just drafted in New York
State. One of these promulgated in May 1937 is a code on rock drill­
ing. We have a few mining operations in New York State (29 at this
time), but our most important rock-drilling operations are not mining
but in the vast amount of underground work which wTe have in our
State. For instance, at the present time we are building an aqueduct
84 miles long, and 20 to 24 feet in diameter. This aqueduct averages
about 600 feet below the surface of the ground, and in one place is 1,500
feet belowT. The shafts, of which there are about 26 or 28, go down
vertically, and from there the tunnels are projected in either di­
rection, approximately, say, north and south or east and west. Some
of these headings where the tunneling is done may be 2, 3, or 4
miles from the shaft, and it has been necessary to set up rigid pro­
visions for the control of rock dust, most of which is high in silica in
this operation. In the particular code to which I refer we divided the
rock into two classes, that containing less than 10 percent of silica, in
which case there may be a maximum of 100 million particles present;
and that containing more than 10 percent of silica, in which case there
may be a maximum amount of 10 million particles present in the air.
These are standards which have been arrived at by a medical subcom­
mittee of the department and our division of industrial hygiene. The
division of industrial hygiene does all of the technical work, including
the actual sampling of the air in these headings, so that it may
turn the evidence on dust control over to the inspection division for
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In other words, I should like to make this point clear: that the
division of industrial hygiene is not an enforcement agency in any
sense of the word. All enforcement in the department of labor is, and
I believe should be, done by the inspection division, which division
is authorized to issue orders and obtain compliance with the labor
law. The division of industrial hygiene supplies the technical service
and advice to the inspection division. Accordingly, we have delegated
one engineer at this time, and we are going soon to put on another,
who spends his full time on the Delaware Aqueduct, sampling the
atmosphere for toxic gases after the blasting is carried out, testing
the ventilation, making dust counts of the atmosphere at the time
of drilling, and checking up on the drills which are required accord­
ing to the provisions of the code.
In addition to the foregoing, the division of industrial hygiene is
of considerable aid to the compensation division. This division, in
most States handling occupational diseases, finds itself confronted
with the question of whether or not causal relation is present; whether
or not Mr. John Jones, for example, exposed to a certain substance
in a particular factory, developed the occupational disease for which
he makes a claim for compensation as a result of his work and con­
tact with this substance. And being a repository of information on
occupational diseases and their prevention, the division of industrial
hygiene advises the compensation division on causal relation. In New
York State, we actually have one physician who sits in with the
compensation referee and advises him on these cases. In each case
the physician makes a visit to the factory, obtains samples of the
materials to which the worker was exposed; and if necessary, the
chemists actually sample the atmosphere, bring all the samples back
to the chemical laboratory and analyze them. The chemists’ report
then goes along with the physician’s report, and the physician sits
alongside the compensation referee and advises him as to what he
thinks about causal relation in the particular case as it comes up
for hearing.
The division of industrial hygiene assists the appeals board in the
adjudication of cases which are contested. Sometimes the factoryinspection division issues an order against a factory, and the company
says, “We are going to appeal this order because we do not think
we have a hazard.” When such an appeal reaches the board of stand­
ards and appeals, it sends a letter asking for an investigation of
conditions and an opinion as to whether the appeal, in our opinion,
should be upheld or granted or reversed.
Finally, I should like to mention direct aid to labor as being a
most important function of a division of industrial hygiene. We find
in our State that there is an increasing tendency on the part of labor
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disease prevention, accident prevention, and to come to the State de­
partment of labor for aid. We have had many requests, and we are
doing some studies in connection with the labor unions. We con­
tinue to get so many requests now from the labor unions that we just
cannot keep up with the demand.
This division of industrial hygiene is interesting in another way,
and right now I should like, before closing, to digress a moment from
the subject in which you are particularly interested to call your atten­
tion to one other matter and to caution you about it.
I f one looks back at the development of industrial hygiene in the
United States, he will notice that at the present time there is a great
tendency to develop industrial hygiene in health departments. It is
normal to expect people to say, “Well, industrial hygiene, industrial
health; industrial health is a health problem and therefore it belongs
in the health department.” This is a very natural and normal ap­
proach, and there may be a good deal of justification for such a view.
I think that all of us, in general, keep our minds segregated in com­
partments, and naturally we would like in general to see labor prob­
lems in the labor department and health problems in the health
department. But there arises the question as to where the division of
industrial hygiene can accomplish wTork, and this is far more im­
portant in my mind that the question of subdivisions of a box-like
character in our mind or on paper.
As I view this problem, having been associated with the health work
for many years, I feel that it is quite impossible to develop the kind
of inspectorial staff nor will you be able to do the kind of preventive
work that you should in industry unless you have the aid and support
of a hygiene division. Nor do I believe either that any health depart­
ment—and this is a pretty strong statement—can do a complete job
on the control of health hazards in industry without the aid of an
inspection staff.
I often draw a parallel between the question we are discussing and
the work of health departments in the control of the milk supply.
The control of milk supplies in the United States is vested very
largely in State and city departments of health. Now, if the gover­
nor were to say to the commissioner of health, “ You are still in
charge of milk control in the State. It is your duty to see that
nothing but pure milk comes into the State of New York, but from
this day forth you are not going to have any inspectors to help you
do it,” any sane commissioner of health would immediately put him­
self on record as refusing to undertake the job. For, without inspec­
tors, he would not want to assume the responsibility should an epi­
demic break out. A division of industrial hygiene in a health
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workers without a staff of inspectors presents an entirely analogous
situation. It is impossible to control factory conditions and impos­
sible to protect health and safety in factories without an adequate
number of inspectors, and without the necessary legal authority.
Such legal authority is, as a matter of fact, now vested in labor
departments, and not in health departments.

So, for these reasons, if you are in accord with the things I have
been saying, you should make every effort to bqild up staffs of indus­
trial hygienists, trained experts, in your labor departments to help
you with these problems. To begin with, you will need one physi­
cian, one chemist, and one engineer. With a staff of three trained
men of this type you can do a great deal to control industrial hazards.
At the present time there are about 30 of these divisions of industrial
hygiene in health departments, not all, but practically all, of which
are supported by Social Security money under section 6 of the present
Social Security Act. There are only three or four labor departments
in the United States which have divisions of industrial hygiene.
The logic of the situation would seem to make it incumbent upon us
all to make every effort to get the Federal Government to support
industrial hygiene in labor departments, where such work can be
more efficiently carried out than elsewhere for reasons already
pointed out.
In closing, I should like to summarize by saying that preventive
work cannot be accomplished without legal and administrative
authority and support; that the labor law cannot be enforced, and
health and safety for workers cannot be achieved, without an ade­
quate staff of trained factory inspectors; that health and safety
cannot be guarded and protected without an adequate technical serv­
ice which is known generally as “industrial hygiene,” or “ health and
safety service,” or “ occupational hygiene,” as they call it in Massa­
chusetts, staffed by physicians, engineers, and chemists; that the
complex nature of the industrial processes, machinery, and materials
makes it imperative that these technical services be present as an
important arm of prevention; and, finally, that these technical serv­
ices be closely integrated with, and work in the closest possible
cooperation with, all other divisions of the department of labor in
the formulation and enforcement of codes, in the adjudication of
compensation claims for occupational diseases, and in its many other
activities directed toward the maintenance of safe working conditions
in factories and the protection of the health of the workers. Con­
sidered in terms of functionally sound administrative principles,
industrial hygiene very clearly, in my opinion, belongs in labor
departments, where the necessary legal authority and facilities for
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Exhaust Ventilation in Industry
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Local exhaust ventilation is employed extensively in industry for
the removal, at the point of generation, of toxic, explosive, or other­
wise harmful concentrations of dust, fumes, mists, vapors, and gases.
Industrial processes differ markedly, however, in their characteristics
with respect to the application of exhaust ventilation, and it is not
possible to prepare one set of specifications and regulations which will
suffice for the successful design and operation of every exhaust system.
Each process constitutes an independent problem. There are, how­
ever, certain fundamental requirements common to all exhaust sys­
tems which should serve as the basis of design in every case.
It has not been general practice in the past to test new exhaust
systems to determine the degree of control effected nor have such
systems been described in terms of basic engineering specifications.
Since most of the existing State codes require only the development
of a definite amount of static suction, it has been enough simply to
check this value. The considerable experience gained in the design
of exhaust systems has not been evaluated and systematized and made
generally available to designing engineers. Personal experience
still remains the principal guide to design.
Hazardous operations should be segregated, so far as is practicable,
from nonhazardous work. In certain industries in which most of
the processes produce harmful concentrations of polluting material,
it is best to isolate the safe operations in a separate building or
room.
Hazardous operations should be housed in buildings suitably
adapted to the purpose.
Generators, tanks, and other equipment in which toxic and explo­
sive gases and volatile liquids are handled should not be housed in
cellars or pits. Enclosed structures require, in addition to adequate
ventilation for normal operation, means for generous ventilation in
emergencies, such as quick-opening doors and windows. It is some­
times preferable to locate equipment in the open or cover only with
a roof. Tanks containing different gases or liquids which combine
to produce dangerous compounds should be safely separated.
Processes to be connected to an exhaust system should be located
close together and arranged symmetrically about a center. Such an
arrangement permits the use of short lengths of pipe, with the least
number of bends, and insures proper proportioning of air flow from
the various hoods.
Processes generating different kinds of dusts, fumes, or vapors must
never be connected to the same exhaust system when the mixture
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It is undesirable to connect to the same exhaust system processes
whose requirements, with respect to the velocities required for the
transportation of the different materials collected, differ widely or
where there is a wide difference in the initial resistance of the pieces
of equipment being exhausted. I f such combinations must be made,
the higher velocities and static suction values should control the
selection of fan and motor, and determine duct sizes.
Equipment to be connected to an exhaust system should be ar­
ranged: 1. To permit the locating of exhaust ducts so as not to
interfere wTith the operation of cranes, elevators, trucks, etc.; 2. To
allow ready accessibility to the ducts for inspection, cleaning, and
repairs; and 3. To provide maximum protection of the ducts against
damage from outside and to prevent condensation within the ducts.
When it is necessary to carry exhaust ducts through fire walls,
automatic dampers as recommended by the National Fire Protec­
tion Association should be provided in the ducts. In certain indus­
tries similar restrictions are applicable to the passage of ducts through
floors.
Scattered processes and equipment which is operated only infre­
quently are often protected most economically by means of separate
exhaust apparatus connected to each machine. Such individual equip­
ment should conform in every essential respect to the requirements
which apply to multiple exhaust systems. Storage tanks, etc., which
may contain dangerous dusts, fumes, vapors, or gases should be
adequately ventilated before entering. Portable exhaust fan units
are employed for this purpose.
Air-cleaning equipment should be located so as to permit the re­
moval of dust or other collected material from the apparatus without
creating a hazard and to allow for cleaning and repairing the appa­
ratus without recontaminating the general plant air. Workers engaged
in cleaning or repairing air-cleaning equipment should be protected
by means of approved respirators or masks.
Provision must be made for the entrance of clean air into the room
or building to replace that removed by the exhaust system. Three
conditions must be maintained:
(1) Inlets must be so arranged and located that the workers are
not subjected to drafts of air having a temperature more than 10° F.
below the general room temperature.
(2) In any room the static pressure must not be lower than in an
adjoining room from which contaminated air may flow.
(3) Inlet velocities must not be high enough to cause undesirable
air motion near hooded processes and the influence of outside wind
pressure must not be great enough to disturb the orderly flow of air
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Many obnoxious or dangerous fumes are produced through industrial or chemical processes. Fumes may be harmful, obnoxious, pun­
gent, corrosive, or poisonous, depending upon their source. There­
fore, the method of their removal should be largely governed by
their nature. As in the case of vapors and dust, collection should be
made as close to their source as practicable to prevent their escape
into the working area or room.
Overhead hoods are used for the removal of smoke, gases, vapors,
and fumes, in many different fields of application. In general, hoods
of this type should be confined to cases where the extracted smoke
or fume-laden air has a natural tendency to rise. Vapors which are
considerably heavier than air should be removed through floor grat­
ings, or through side-wall openings at the floor level. Upward ex­
haust is suitable for forge fires, paper-drying machines, kettles and
vats containing hot liquids, drying apparatus in textile factories,
and other similar work.
In many instances the natural upward movement of the smoke or
vapor is not very rapid, and in consequence horizontal drafts or air
movements are apt to deflect the ascending gas beyond the confines of
the overhead hood. In some cases this can be avoided by enclosing
the forge fire, vat, or kettle on three sides, leaving no more of an
opening on the fourth side than necessary, which will eliminate the
effect of cross-currents of air. Even if there is no horizontal air
movement, the ascending smoke or vapor will diffuse or spread as
it rises and therefore the superimposed hood must be considerably
larger than the source of smoke or vapor. A point of importance is
to provide an exhaust duct of proper size for the hood to which it
is connected.
When sources of smoke and vapors cannot be entirely or partially
enclosed, it is sometimes feasible to install hinged plates or aprons
on three sides of an overhead hood or canopy. These aprons are of
value in localizing the ascending fumes and preventing diffusion due
to horizontal air movements. When conditions permit, hoods for
certain classes of work can be hinged horizontally at one side.
Hinged aprons can be swung up out of the way when necessary. In
other instances entire hoods are suspended and counterbalanced, so
that normally they will be close to the source of fume or vapor, but
they can be raised well out of the way when desired. Hoods of the
two last-mentioned types are frequently applied to tanks containing
hot liquids.
It should be realized that the greater the distance between the
source of the gases or smoke to be withdrawn and the collecting hood,
the greater will be the diffusion. Increased diffusion necessitates
fhe extraction of an increased amount of mixed gases and air, which
in turn calls for larger hoods, ducts, and fans and increased operat-




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ing expense. On the other hand, hoods cannot be so closely applied
as to interfere with operations.
Some gases are heavier than air, so that in still atmosphere they
readily settle to the lowest points they can reach. For this reason
it is desirable to take off gasoline fumes at the floor level unless they
can be diffused and disposed of by copious general room ventilation.
In dealing with explosive fumes, the basic principle is to obtain
sufficient air dilution to prevent unsafe concentration, or the forming
of an explosive mixture. Such gases should be removed as nearly
as possible at their points of origin. It is good practice to provide
extended shafts for fans which handle air mixed with combustible
gases, and in this w^ay locate the driving motors outside dividing
walls or partitions. Motors should not be placed in rooms containing
flammable vapors unless they are of the explosion-proof type. In
some cases it is desirable to equip fans with nonferrous inlet rings,
and sometimes it is necessary for fans to be entirely constructed of
nonferrous materials. All metal parts should be electrically
grounded. All ducts used for mixtures of combustible gases and air
should be of metal or other fireproof construction.
In the process of chromium electroplating, large amounts of ob­
noxious and dangerous fumes are produced. Hydrogen is given off by
the cathode and oxygen by the anode. The bubbles of these gases
bursting at the surface of the chromic-acid solution diffuse chromic
acid in the form of spray particles into the atmosphere. The fumes,
when breathed for considerable periods, cause bleeding of the nose and
ulceration of the nasal passages.
Overhead hoods are not suitable because the fumes are heavy and
the tank area must be readily accessible. Horizontal fume removal
is therefore used.
It is customary to place collecting ducts having slots along the edges
of the tank on two sides and join them at one end. Slots should be of
the tapered type so as to produce uniform air flow across the liquid
surface.
Velocity of air through slots and volume of air exhausted per min­
ute depend on size of tank and air diffusion in vicinity of tank.
Since the liquid solution is heated in many tanks, vapors as well as
fumes are exhausted. This makes it desirable to provide traps for
condensed vapors at low points in the exhaust system.
All ducts should be of black iron liberally coated with asphaltum
or resistant paint because galvanized iron is attacked by the vapors.
It is sometimes necessary to use the ejector system of fume removal.
Typical cases are where fume temperature is too high to allow appli­
cation of a standard fa n ; where an air and fume mixture might reach
an explosive concentration; where fumes might be highly acid or cor­
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might collect on the fan wheel. In this system, a fan discharges an
air blast into the duct or flue handling the fumes, thus inducing flow.
No fumes pass through the fan.
The ejector system of fume removal involves high operating cost on
account of the low efficiency of the device in which the primary (fan)
and secondary (fume) air currents are merged. On the other hand,
as standard fans can be used to inject the air blasts the first cost is low.
In many cases it is best to use special fans for handling the fumes in
preference to using the ejector system. Fans can be made of various
steel alloys, copper Monel metal, or they can be made of regular metals
and be given protective coatings of lead or rubber. While such fans
are comparatively expensive, their use is warranted in many instances
on account of the annual saving in operating cost.
The collection and removal of dust is necessary in almost every
industry for sanitary and hygienic reasons. Depending upon the na-,
ture of the material being collected, the system may involve the use of
enclosing hoods, open hoods, inward air leakage or general-room ven­
tilation. Hoods should be used where possible to enclose the source
of dust to prevent escape of dust into the room.
Enclosing hoods are used on buffing and grinding wheel exhaust
systems and on some woodworking machines. Open hoods are used on
some woodworking machines, rubber mills, crushers, and sandblast
machines. Inward air leakage is used on tumbling barrels, and some
types of grinding and screening operations are isolated in a separate
room. Such jobs are handled by providing a rapid air change
through an exhaust from the room.
Hood systems and inward air leakage systems involve the correct
selection of suction pressure, air velocities, branch connections, main
ducts, separators or collectors, and fans.
It is obvious that a hood or enclosure must not interfere with the
efficiency of the workman or process. By conferring with those in
charge of the machines or processes involved, it is usually an easy mat­
ter to determine the proper design of hood so as not to interfere with
the work.
Building o f Safe Machinery
B y R. P. B

l a k e

,

D iv is io n o f LaJ)or S ta n d a rd s, U n ited S ta te s D e p a r tm e n t o f Lat)or

I w^as invited to come here to talk to you about the building of
safe machinery; that is, of getting the manufacturers of various types
o f machines to design them for the maximum in safety and guard
them before offering them for installation and sale.
During 1937 the American Society of Safety Engineers, which is
the engineering section of the National Safety Council, formed a com­
mittee, of which I was made chairman, to study the subject of safe-




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guarding machinery at its source and to try to do something about it.
We have to date spent most of our effort on study of the problems
involved. It is a very big subject and has so many ramifications that
our survey is by no means complete, but at least we know enough
about it now so that we think we see quite clearly the important out­
lines of the picture and the lines along which progress can be expected.
The first thing I want to mention is the fact that already many
machines, as, for instance, laundry machinery, dough mixers, food
grinders, paper cutters, abrasive wheels, and some others, are avail­
able which are well guarded by their manufacturers. But the ma­
chines that are most important in the production of serious accidents—
in other words, the common, familiar, woodworking and metalwork­
ing machines—are almost without exception guarded only as an after­
thought. They are sold on a competitive-price basis and, as a rule,
the idea of guarding them does not appear to occur to the great major­
ity of purchasers until after they are installed. The result is that in
most cases these machines, if guarded at all, are guarded more or less
grudgingly or unwillingly. This does not make for safety. In most
cases the guard is applied only when some inspector requires it or
when someone has been hurt. That is a pretty strong statement. I
realize that in making it I am indicting a lot of employers, but unless
my experience is seriously misleading, the indictment is fully justified.
As you probably know, the majority of the larger employers in this
country are doing a fine safety job. You will find most of them pay­
ing careful attention to machinery safety. Most small employers are
not. According to the 1935 Census of Manufacturers, roughly onethird of our employees in the manufacturing industries are in plants
employing between 100 and 500 each; one-third in plants employing
500 and up; and one-third in plants employing less than 100 each.
This census also shows that only 1.3 percent of these firms employ over
500 persons each, and 92 percent employ 100 or less each.
Effective safety work must rest on a foundation of safety-mindedness. The larger employers have mostly become safety-minded. The
smaller employers generally have not. There are so many of them
that to carry the gospel of safety to them is a selling job of tremen­
dous magnitude. The arguments and factual considerations that
have caused the larger employers to become safety-minded have not
as yet reached most of this multitude of small employers. Progress
is being made but it is slow. In the meantime, we have this condition
of unsatisfactory afterthought guarding, and the question is, What
can be done about it?
After our committee had developed its study enough to size the
situation up, we went to representative manufacturers of machines of
this sort to determine their attitude. Almost without exception
those whom we approached were favorable to going along on any




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reasonable program. They realize the situation and seem not unwilh
ing to aid in correcting it but say they are prevented by two condi­
tions. First, they will tell you it is a matter of consumer demand.
The non-safety-minded buyer is not willing to pay the extra cost nec­
essary for fully safeguarded machinery. They buy machines that
will give them the performance they want at the lowest possible price.
Second, and from our standpoint here today I think more important,
is the fact that the written codes of the various States and the
approval and acceptance practices of the various inspection depart­
ments of the States have grown up each in its own State without
much effort to coordinate, and they are, therefore, full of conflicts.
They are so full of conflicts of one sort or another, in fact, that the
manufacturer of, for instance, a circular woodsaw—which is our
commonest finger cutter off—cannot so guard it so that it can be sold
in every State with that same guard.
You are probably all familiar with the statement that 15 percent
of all accidents are due to machine causes and 85 percent to human
causes. We did not accept that statement. We proceeded to dig
into figures to find out the exact facts. That statement is seriously
misleading. It is true that if you examine the compensation reports of
an industrial State, you will find about 10 percent or 20 percent
o f the compensated accidents are assigned to mechanical causes and
about 80 percent to 90 percent are assigned to human causes. But
when you go to investigating the individual accidents, what do you
find? And common sense should have given us this answer. We find
that nearly every accidental injury has both a physical hazard (which
usually could be reduced or eliminated) and a human fault. In
other words, the preventable hazard was there and yielded its in­
jury where the human fault occurred. I f we could get workers who
would never fail to do all that they should do and would never do
anything they should not do, there would be no accidents and no
need of safeguarding machinery. I f you will go to any of the
establishments where a fine safety job is being done—such firms as
Pittsburgh Plate Glass, United States Steel, National Cash Register,
Dupont (there are instances throughout all industry)—you will find
that they have achieved their fine degree of elimination of accidents
by searching for every possible physical hazard and eliminating it, or,
if that is not possible, by reducing it to the maximum degree prac­
ticable; then, on top of that, they do everything they can by train­
ing and supervision and selection and care to eliminate the human
fault. In the manufacturing industries, which is where the bulk of
these point-of-operation machines are used, we find in looking over
the 5-year record of a typical industrial State that roughly 30 per­
cent of all compensated injuries were on machinery. So that while
the 15 percent ratio might be true for a whole State, it is emphati-




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cally not true for the manufacturing industry. When it comes down
again to this particular State which I have just mentioned, the
circular saw produces more injuries than all the other machines
commonly used in woodworking, and the power press produces a
similar percentage of the accidents in the metalworking industry.
Furthermore, over 50 percent of all the injuries charged to circular
saws, jointers, wood shapers, power presses, and metal slnars were
permanent disabilities. You see the seriousness of the picture.

One more thing I want to mention is this fact, that those of us
who are accustomed to visiting during the year a large number of
establishments of all sizes cannot help but be struck by the fact that
in the case of non-safety-minded management (again chiefly small
employers), the standard of the safeguards that it is possible to get,
even in the States which have alert, progressive inspection depart­
ments, is not high. They are largely make-shift afterthoughts, and
they show it. Their effectiveness is small. Part of that is due
to the fact that you cannot guard those machines, as a rule, as effec­
tively after they are built and installed as the manufacturer of the
machine can guard them when his guard and his machine design are
considered together. For instance, it is impossible, after the saw
table is built, to guard the ordinary table saw effectively in some of
its most dangerous operations. The guard and the spreader must be
so arranged, so carried, on a carriage with the saw itself, that they
will retain their relative position for all positions of the saw. After
the saw table has been built, you cannot put that kind of an ar­
rangement on it. It is not possible, afterwards, to guard it as it
should be guarded.
What we are trying to do, what we think is necessary, are two
things. We are asking this association to go on record as wanting
and undertaking to get some system set up whereby the conflicts,
not only in the written codes of the various States and governmental
agencies, but also in practice and in the procedure of acceptance, will
be ironed out and we will be able to say to any manufacturer, “ All
right. You go ahead and design this circular saw, offer it for sale
with an effective guard, and it will be as salable in Maine as in
New York or in Pennsylvania as in California.” That has to be
done.
The second thing that has to be done is for State inspection depart­
ments and agencies to undertake a program of promoting the idea
of the purchaser ordering the maximum safety in his machine when
he orders it. We have a very important sales argument there. We
asked manufacturers of specific machines what they would have to
add for the built-in guarding of a standard, properly designed, and
fully safeguarded machine. Upon comparing their estimates with
the actual cost of installing reasonably effective guards on them after-




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wards, we found that the cost of such after-guarding would not be
less than that of preguarding and would often run from two to four
times as much. After-guarding as actually applied is often quite
inexpensive but it is also very often quite ineffective.
In closing, I want to say that the committee of the American Society
of Safety Engineers wants to help in any way it can to improve this
condition. It offers its services in any way. It will work with any
plan that is feasible. And the Division of Labor Standards of the
United States Department of Labor will be happy similarly to coop­
erate in any way within its power. It might, for instance, serve
as a clearing house on code information. It will be necessary, of
course, for all the various State labor agencies to feed the information
in of what they have done and what they propose to do, and it will
be necessary for us from time to time to get such material out so
that all may be guided by it and avoid conflicts. Where it is neces­
sary to resolve differences of opinion, some form of meetings will
have to be arranged in order to reach a practical middle ground
where all can go along.
Industrial Hygiene in Factory Inspection
By

Clyd

e

M

cC l u r e

,

Illin o is D e p a r tm e n t o f L a b o r

In the following brief consideration of the part played by indus­
trial hygiene in factory inspection, the viewpoint is that of Illinois
practice under the direction of Martin P. Durkin, director of the
department of labor of that State.
Factory inspection, for our present purpose, is limited to inspec­
tions having to do with the health and safety of workers employed in
industrial establishments, which, in Illinois, is largely a matter of
routine carried on by the 52 inspectors assigned to the inspection
districts into which the State is divided. The contact between in­
dustrial hygiene and factory inspection is made through the coopera­
tion and close working association of the industrial hygiene unit in
the division of factory inspection with the district factory inspectors.

Surveys and studies conducted in industrial establishments by the
industrial hygiene unit, composed of physician, engineers, and chem­
ists, establishes a working basis for the application of the science of
hygiene to the environment of the industrial worker. In other words,
it serves as a medium through which scientific data may be converted
into a practical working tool for the district inspector in the field.
Industrial hygiene may be defined as the science of health, its
preservation, and the laws of sanitation as applied to industrial estab­
lishments. It is a broad subject, involving the sciences—pathology,
toxicology, chemistry, and physics—the chemical and ventilating
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enforcement. Any activity that calls for the combined services of
the administrator, the physician, the engineer, the lawyer, and the
chemist can hardly escape an aspect of mystery. As a result, it
seems that industrial hygiene is apt to be considered as something
related to, but hardly a part of, routine factory inspection. This
impression should not be allowed to grow, for it seriously limits the
use of an instrumentality of great importance in safeguarding the
health and safety of those employed in factory and mill. As safety
engineering provides the basis of inspection for mechanical hazards
which may lead to accidental injury, industrial hygiene provides the
basis of inspection for the hazards, chemical for the most part, that
may result in occupational disease.
Industrial hygiene has to do with excessive temperatures, humidity
and pressures, fatigue, inadequate lighting and ventilation of work
spaces, insufficient provision for the personal hygiene of workers, and
the degree of cleanliness, or lack thereof, in the place of employment;
and, in addition, that most important and least obvious problem of
possible exposure to toxic or deleterious substances, mostly chemicals
or chemical compounds, associated with so many processes in presentday industry. Applied science is constantly pushing into industrial
use chemicals and chemical compounds, many of which have hereto­
fore been known only to the chemist, and all too frequently a large
part of which have not been subjected to physiological test, thus
complicating the problem of occupational disease.
Factory inspection is carried on to detect and eliminate conditions
detrimental to the health, and safety of the workers during the course
of their employment in industrial establishments. Whether one is
injured, permanently disabled, or killed because of violent contact
with parts of machinery or is the victim of the same unfortunate
circumstances through exposure to toxic substances, the ultimate re­
sult is the same. Lost time, reduced income, impaired efficiency and
consequent reduced earning power, complete disability, and death may
as readily be the tragic consequence of exposure to toxic substances
as the result of violent accident due to defective or unguarded
machinery.
To detect possible exposure of workers to any potential health or
safety hazard, whether mechanical or chemical, and to secure proper
safeguards against such exposure is the business of the factory in­
spector, and by factory inspector I mean the district inspector who
covers an assigned territory. Few of these men are trained chemists
and it is not necessary that they have such training to make an in­
dustrial hygiene inspection. They have been trained, however, to
observe closely the environment of the worker and the tools with
which he works. The same observation applied to processes with
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which are associated dust, vapors, or odors, or which involve contact
of the skin of the worker with unknown liquids, leads to inquiry as
to the nature of the process and the materials associated with it.
Many processes are well known to all inspectors, who also possess a
working knowledge of the effects of exposure to a number of the sub­
stances which by nature are potential occupational-disease hazards.
The method of guarding against exposure to some of these is also as
well known as the more common methods of guarding machinery.
Industrial-hygiene studies have shown that certain occupations are
definitely associated with occupational-disease hazards. Buffing and
grinding, the shake-out and milling in foundry work, the cutting of
granite with air-driven tools, and sandblasting are sources of silica
dust exposure and the hazard of silicosis. The manufacture of lead
storage batteries, the melting and casting of lead and its alloys, the
making of lead-base paint pigments, involve exposure of the workers
to lead-bearing dust and the danger of lead poisoning. These facts
are known to all inspectors, as are the means of guarding against
exposure. When the inspector uses this knowledge in the course of
his work, he functions as an industrial hygienist and industrial
hygiene becomes a practical part of factory inspection.
The factory inspector is not expected to evaluate the effect of any
suspected occupational-disease hazard upon exposed workers, nor, on
the other hand, is he expected to design guards for machinery. He
can, however, note the use of chemicals, and in this connection this
term includes such substances as paints and lacquers, glazes, silica,
lead, solvents, and in fact, any liquid, solid, or vapor which is a part
of any industrial process, either as a raw material, a finished prod­
uct, or as incidental to a process of manufacture. His report of an
inspection may refer to headquarters questions of suitable guarding
of intricate mechanical processes or the possible harmful effects of
exposure to substances with which he is not familiar. Such problems
then become the business of those who because of training, experience,
and the possession of special facilities are in position to deal ade­
quately with the more obscure problems.
Without going into the qualifications of factory inspectors, it may
be noted that the inspector with a well-developed and intelligent bump
of curiosity will function best, other things being equal, as an indus­
trial hygiene inspector. It is not necessary that he know anything
of chemistry, pathology, or toxicology, nor even be able to pronounce
the scientific jargon of these sciences. A properly developed curios­
ity will lead to questions such as: What is this material ? Where do
you get it? What is in it?—and to noting how materials are used,
the process, the presence of dust, vapors, or odors. In some cases
he will take samples of materials and forward them to headquarters
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hygiene inspection. The evaluation of the potential hazards in­
volved, if any, and the recommendations for control are then the bus­
iness of the engineers, doctors, and chemists of the division of
industrial hygiene.
Many scientific and technical studies in industrial hygiene have
been conducted in recent years and much has been learned. The
knowledge thus gained has been published for the most part in
scientific and technical literature. As this information is made avail­
able for the use of the factory inspector and its application becomes
a part of factory inspection, it serves as an important instrument in
the protection of the industrial worker from the ever-increasing
hazards of modern industry.
D isc u ssio n

Mr. M u r p h y (Oklahoma). I want to add my hearty approval to
what Mr. Blake has just said about what the Division of Labor
Standards in Washington is doing along this line. Under the direc­
tion of Mr. Y. A. Zimmer, it is doing a real, practical piece of work.
It is not everybody who understands the practical end of mechanical
or any other kind of safety. You can install safety devices on any
kind of a machine, but you have to do it so you do not interfere
with the operation of the machine. You think you have recom­
mended something that will serve the purpose, and when it is installed
the operator of that machine hates you and the equipment too. But
if it is properly installed, it does not interfere with the operation of
the machine. It adds to efficiency and increases production.
The best lesson I had in safety—and that is one of the most
important things I was ever engaged in, accident prevention work,
the preservation of human life and limb—was when I was a factory
inspector several years ago. I was attending a meeting of the Na­
tional Safety Congress in Cleveland, Ohio. The mechanical safety
equipment people had their exhibits in the armory there, and they
had plenty of them too. I went over there. There was a little woman
there who was telling the fellows in charge of a machine: “ Don’t
ship this machine into my State until you do this and do that. It
is not this; it is not that. Now, if you will do this and you will do
that, it will be all right.” She attracted my attention. I said, “ Who
is that little lady there who is so interested in this stuff?” And one
of the boys said, “ Why, that is Miss Perkins, factory inspector in
the Department of Labor of New York.” I followed that little
woman along, and she never saw me or anybody else. Finally, when
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told her that she had attracted my attention and that I had learned
more in that hour that I had been following her than I had in the
year that I had been with the department of labor.
I f you think that Madam Perkins cannot inspect one of these
industrial plants and issue orders that will safeguard that machinery,
you are wrong, because she knows that little game of accident pre­
vention from a practical standpoint. Mr. Zimmer is doing a won­
derful work in the Division of Labor Standards. As I said a while
ago, it is practical; that is why I admire it. My factory inspectors
follow that system all the way through. I think there is nothing
that is more interesting than that work. The very fact that in one
plant you eliminate some hazard that in some other plant has cost
somebody his life or a limb gives you satisfaction, whether you get
credit for it or not.
Mr. M artinez (Puerto Rico). This is a problem which has been of
vital interest to me for many years because of the large number of
accidents that have been registered in Puerto Rico. O f course, ours
is mainly an agricultural country, and most of the accidents that occur
in the island occur in farming. Cane cutters, for example, have
about 35 to 40 percent of the accidents, and the number of accidents
last year was a little over 54,000. I feel that wTe have made a little
progress this year by passing an industrial safety law. Act No. 112,
passed May 5, 1939, creates a board of industrial safety for the pur­
pose of preventing labor accidents in industry, determines its duties
and functions, authorizes said board to prescribe industrial safety
rules, charges the commissioner of labor with enforcing such safety
rules as may be approved pursuant to the act, etc.
Last year a law ivas passed by the legislature of Puerto Rico deal­
ing with the prevention of accidents which come under the jurisdic­
tion of the superintendent of insurance. We are satisfied that this
special law will help in the prevention of accidents.
It is my feeling that in Puerto Rico it is a question of education
more than law, because we have found from experience that we have
to teach the workers how to prevent accidents. In many places
where guards are provided for their protection they put these guards
aside and say that it is easier for them to work without them. We
have had no law up to this time under which we can tackle this prob­
lem, but we have been doing some research work in 43 sugar mills and
other modern factories, and we are satisfied that nearly $50,000 was
spent last year in different safety devices for the prevention of these
accidents.
I want to bring you some information as to the organization chart
of our department as of July 1, 1939. We have these different serv­
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board of labor relations; the board of industrial safety, recently
created by the law previously mentioned; the board of examiners of
social workers; the mediation and conciliation commission; the indus­
trial commission; the secretary and chief clerk; the homestead service;
wage protection and claim bureau; the division of inspection, inves­
tigation, and diffusion of labor laws; the division of accounts, prop­
erty, and statistics; the division of economic social research and in­
vestigation; the bureau of women and children in industry; and the
employment service.
The division of economic social research and investigation has been
our agency in charge of education as to industrial safety and indus­
trial hygiene, and I think we have been doing a splendid work in the
prevention of accidents. We are now trying to devise some guard
for the protection of the people employed in the cutting of cane, and we
would like to have suggestions or advice as to the best method of protec­
ting these workers. This law gives us sufficient authority to dictate
rules and regulations which have the force of law. Most of these acci­
dents that occur to cane cutters cause damage or hurt in the left hand.
I have been devising some sort of a half-glove of skin protected with
flexible steel bars which they may strike without causing injury to
the hand. We would like to know if any of you have thought about
this proposition or have any information that we might use for the
prevention of accidents in the sugar industry. I should like to read
from this bulletin 1 a discussion of this act.
The passage of Act No. 112, approved May 3, 1939, should be a good reason
for sincere satisfaction among the working and socially minded people of
Puerto Rico. This statute creates a board of industrial safety for preventing
labor accidents. This board shall be composed of five members— the commis­
sioner of labor, who shall preside over it, the commissioner of the interior, the
commissioner of health, the attorney general, and the manager of the State
insurance fund. It will operate annexed to the department of labor, and will
hold regular sessions during the last week of each month.
The powers and duties of the board of industrial safety, as fixed by Act
112, are as follows :
1. To investigate, ascertain, declare, and prescribe what safety devices or sys­
tems, safeguards, and other means or methods of protection are best adapted to
protect the life and health of laborers or employees; to protect the welfare of
laborers or employees in all employments or places of employment, and to
protect the welfare of laborers or employees as required by law or by rules
having force of law.
2. To ascertain and fix such reasonable standards, and to make, amend, and
enforce such reasonable rules, as uniform as possible, for the adoption of safety
devices, safeguards, and other means and methods of protection, as may be neces­
sary to carry out all laws and rules having force of law, relating to the protection of
the life, health, safety, and welfare of laborers or employees.

1Pu erto

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To ascertain, fix, and direct such reasonable standards and rules for the
construction, repair, care, and maintenance of places of employment, as shall
render them safe.
Pursuant to section 7 of Act 112 the board of industrial safety is authorized
to make drafts for rules on industrial safety after advising itself with employers,
laborers, technical experts, and other interested persons or groups as it may
determine. These rules shall be published in the daily press, with specification
of the date fixed for the holding of public hearings for the purpose of discussing,
and if necessary amending them.
All rules, once approved by the board, shall become effective 30 days after
their promulgation and publication in the most reasonable manner that the
board may prescribe. Special rules shall take effect as therein directed.
The commissioner of labor is authorized to put into effect and see to the
faithful enforcement of all rules, being empowered to use such personnel of
his department as he may consider necessary to comply with the provisions
of the act.
If there shall be practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship in carrying
out a rule promulgated by the board, this body may, after public hearing, make
changes therein, provided the spirit of the rule and the law is upheld. Any
party affected by a rule may petition the commissioner of labor to propo e
changes, stating his reasons therefor. The commissioner shall fix a date for
hearing of such petition.
The enactment of the law already summarized marks the joining of Puerto
Rico to the humane and constructive crusade of diminishing, through the best
way known, the occupational diseases and accidents which bring so much
suffering and affliction to the homes of our working-class population.
The necessity of affording the workers adequate protection against industrial
hazards and risks first manifested itself, partly as a humanitarian movement,
shortly after the middle of the nineteenth century. In 1867, an Alsatian em­
ployer known as Dollfus organized a society for the prevention of accidents.
His example extended rapidly and by the end of the century there were some
25 accident-prevention associations operating in the factory enterprises of the
continent. The social legislation, embodying industrial safety measures
passed by the European nations, particularly Germany and Great Britain,
notably contributed to the development of said movement.
In the United States work risks began to receive positive attention during
the first decade of the current century, even though several States had legis­
lation of this kind prior to that time. To those who have studied the social
history of North America it is well known that by those days American indus­
try was generally regarded as the least humane. This circumstance accounted
for the fact that the industrial-safety movement, once initiated, developed
surprisingly successfully, to the point that during the last three decades it
has placed itself among the most advanced and efficient in the whole world.
At present, the United States industrial-safety movement has reached what
has been called the fifth stage of its evolution, i. e., that related with the for­
mulation of legally enforceable rules and codes aimed at diminishing labor risks.
In most countries and States rule and code making in labor legislation has
been delegated to departments dealing with social matters. In the United States
more than 30 States have explicitly empowered labor officials to issue adminis­
trative regulations with force of law, and by 1935 a total of 20 States had dele­
gated broad administrative rule-making power in industrial-safety legislation
to labor departments and other similar executive agencies.
It is a general and undeniable fact that industrial-safety rules and codes are
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accidents. Engineers specialized in this subject assert that it is possible to
eliminate up to 98 percent of the labor accidents, and this at a very small ex­
pense to industry.
For reason of occupational accidents, during 1937 some 17,000 workers lost
their lives in the United States; another 112,000 became permanently disabled
by the impairment of use or loss of such members of the body as arms, legs,
fingers, and eyes, and nearly 1,500,000 were disabled beyond the day of the
accident. In terms of money this meant a loss of income by such wage earners
of approximately $275,000,000.
In Puerto Rico there occur around 50.000 labor accidents every year. During
the fiscal year which ended in June 1937 the figure rose to 54,964, which repre­
sents an increase of 2,966 over the previous year. Out of that total of 54,964
labor accidents, 28,000 caused temporary disability, 1,177 caused permanent dis­
ability, and 94 caused death. Sixty percent of all the injuries and fatalities
with which our working classes contribute to the creation of wealth in Puerto
Rico occur within the sugar industry. The year ended June 30, 1936, recorded
30,000 labor accidents in the sugar industry of Puerto Rico, which employs more
than 110,000 people.
W e feel confident that with the means provided by Act No. 112, and with the
hearty cooperation of labor and industry, encouraging results will be obtained in
the praiseworthy task of diminishing industrial accidents.

This division of ours is in charge of a very competent industrial
safety engineer. He is a Puerto Rican and very capable. There is
on his staff a chemical engineer. We have our laboratory. We have
a physician. We have a civil engineer who takes care of the scaffold­
ing and other things relating to construction. We are doing our
share, and we would be very happy for suggestions from you as to the
prevention of accidents in the cutting of cane in the sugar industry.
Mr. W ilcox (Washington, D. C.). I should like to congratulate
Mr. Martinez on the experiments that Puerto Rico is making in
pushing safety measures and workmen’s compensation into the agri­
cultural field. I believe that Puerto Rico is doing more in trying to
apply workmen’s compensation to agricultural fields than practically
any State in the country.
I w^ant to ask Dr. Greenburg if there is any analogy between the
way the attorney general’s office assigns attorneys to various State
departments, whereby the staff officer of the attorney general’s office
is brought into intimate contact with the operating problems dealt
with by the various State departments, and a possible set-up in con­
nection with the placing of doctors where they can be of most use for
industrial hygiene. What I am getting at, of course, is the question
that you raised as to the relative relationship of the public health
authorities and the department of labor.
Dr. G reenburg. I think there is an analogy, Mr. Wilcox. My big
criticism of industrial hygiene in health departments is that they fail
to act as an enforcing arm in their agency. They have no technique
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a wide scale and enforcing safe conditions. In the absence of that,
some of the men in health departments have suggested that they
would use the labor department inspection staff for enforcement and
do industrial hygiene in health departments. This means a bridging
over between two State departments, which in general does not work
too easily.
I do not know that I have answered your question. In fact, I am
not exactly certain that I understand the question you have in mind
unless you speak with reference to industrial hygiene in the labor
department itself and our delegation of one physician to the compen­
sation bureau.
Mr. W ilcox . I had that in mind and also, of course, the fact that
the health departments to a large extent are operating in this field. I f
the inspectional part of the work is important, as you pointed out and
it seems obvious that it is, I was wondering whether, as a practical
scheme, it might not be possible to have the members of the staff of
the health department who are charged with these duties located in
the offices of the department of labor, become on intimate terms with
the operating staff, and work through the inspectors in the sense of
knowing them and explaining the problems, etc.
Dr. G reenbtjrg. Such a scheme might work, but I do not see that it
has any real advantage. All that means is that the man is on the pay
roll of the health department and appointed by the State health com­
missioner and delegated to work in the labor department. I cannot
see that such an arrangement has any special virtue, can you ? It still
divides responsibility.
Mr. W ilcox. Not on a theoretical basis, but from the practical stand­
point of adjusting the difficulties between the two departments I
thought that might be a way out. It is clear that the attorney general’s
staff is divided and assigned to various State departments to give them
legal advice. This avoids arousing those feelings that might arise if
the various departments tried to have attorneys of their own.
Dr. G reenburg. I am afraid that I do not know much about the
arrangement with reference to the attorney general’s office, except that
we have one such man in our department, but I cannot see any partic­
ular virtue in such a set-up connected with health departments. I
think the labor departments have all the precedent they need and have
done an excellent job in most cases. Even in the instances where they
have, perhaps, not formally set up divisions of hygiene, they have had
one man who is a physician, or an expert ventilation man, or an engi­
neer, and in some cases an expert chemist or chemical engineer. I
think the answer to the problem has to be dictated by who can do the
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the best job can be done in the labor department. That is my personal
opinion, and I think that time will support this view. I think that,
perhaps some 10 or 15 years from now, we will see most of this work
done in labor departments.
This is not a research problem. Research is a part of it, but it is
not a research problem. It is a problem of supplying the inspection
staff with that information which is essential in order to do a proper
job in the administration and enforcement of the act, and I think that
time will show that the labor department is where this duty belongs.
An attorney general is in the position of a detailed consultant. He is
not a part of the administrative organization, so that there is really
little analogy here.
Mr. M c C lur e . Might I suggest to Dr. Greenburg that possibly we
should differentiate between the development of the science of indus­
trial hygiene by research and its practical application in the depart­
ment of labor. Perhaps some other agency should function in the
development of the science itself.
Dr. G reenburg. That seems like a possibility, but I hardly think
that is very practical, because in order to do a good job and to help
the division of inspection do a good job on enforcement, you have to
keep on adding to your knowledge all the time. In other words, if
you hear about a new process or a new hazard, you have to be pre­
pared to step in and study it, and the particular organization that
does the studying is better fitted to do the enforcing. I f the hygiene
division is located in the labor department and it does the original
investigation, it is in a better position to help the inspection division
control it. I have examined this whole question. Health depart­
ments have made recommendations, but in general their work has
stopped at that point For example, I can cite a case not far from
here, concerning the Tri-State mining area, which was studied in
1914 and 1915 by the United States Bureau of Mines. Subsequent to
that time, it was studied by other agencies. But active steps in
control have not been achieved. If that work had been centered in
a State labor department and had been intensified and then trans­
lated into legislation and enforcement, something more might have
been accomplished.
I think the question should be decided purely on the basis of who
can do the best job. We have got to be practical and realistic about
it, and so far as I can see, the logical place, from my experience and
my knowledge of the problem, is in most cases in a labor department.
Mr. K ossoris (Washington, D. C.). Is it your feeling that as long
as there are two separate agencies, one carrying on the study and the
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too much with the study unless it is directly involved? In other
words, if the study is made directly under the supervision of the
enforcement agency and then followed through with inspection and
other types of services, the results of the study will be made effective,
but if another agency does the study job, it is not likely to reap such
results, as you just pointed out.
Dr. G reenbtjrg . That is what I have in mind. There are other
aspects of this problem. Take, for example, this question of codes.
In order for a labor department to function properly it has to have
satisfactory codes. They cannot be antiquated. They have to be
properly drawn up to meet new and changing problems from time to
time. I f all of this industrial-hygiene work is to be done in the
health department, how is this division in the labor department going
to obtain this technical aid? It is going to be difficult. I f I may
cite New York State again, we have about 1,900 or 2,000 cases of
occupational diseases a year. In the industrial hygiene division we
have access to the files of all these cases, and we make a practice of
examining these files and copying out of them what we desire. For
example, we have a standing rule in the division that if there is an
autopsy in the file on occupational diseases, we obtain a transcript of
the autopsy. At the end of 5 years, we may have 200 or 300 autopsies
on lead-poisoning cases, which will be of tremendous value to us and
everybody else in the field.
I f this industrial-hygiene work is being done in the health depart­
ment and the files are in the compensation division of the labor
department, the chances of the two getting together are rather slim.
As I look at the problem, I must confess that the logical place for
this work to be headed up, when all things are taken into considera­
tion, is really in the labor department.
The functions of providing safe working conditions and of pro­
tecting the health of the worker are so much one and the same
function that to have this work arbitrarily divided up and performed
by two separate and independent agencies attempting to work in
cooperation with one another seems a questionable way in which to
get a job done. It is poor administration.
Mr. B l a k e . I think it could be summed up this way. Experience
has shown, and logic supports the showing, that the very close degree
of coordination necessary between the industrial-hygiene unit and the
enforcement and inspection units cannot be obtained when they are
subject to administration in two separate, sovereign departments of
the State. Is not that the fact ?
Dr. G reenbtjrg . Yes. I want to add just one thing, so that nobody
will carry away a wrong impression. I did not mean to say or inti­
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several other Federal agencies have not done first-class industrialhygiene work. I want to say for the record that the Public Health
Service and the Bureau of Mines have done excellent industrialhygiene work. From the point of view of research they have made
contributions of enormous importance to this field. My remarks have
been confined entirely to the problem of the control of industrial con­
ditions on a wide scale in the various States of our Union, and Mr.
Blake has summarized my views, I think, very well.
Mr. M or to n (Virginia). Looking at this subject from the point of
view of the head of a small labor department, I am of the opinion
that you are talking in ideals rather than of a problem that is im­
mediately before us. What I mean is this. I have 20 people in my
entire department in the State of Virgina, which is largely agricul­
tural, and the legislature does not look with a great deal of favor on
some of our labor laws. We have not nearly enough factory inspec­
tors, and I think it will be, as the Doctor says, at least 15 or 20 years
before we w ill have a mechanical engineer and these other scientific
people on the staff of the labor department. The problem is, what
are we going to do in that 15 years? I met the problem to some ex­
tent in this way. I appeared before the mechanical engineers in
session several times, the safety engineers several times, and I have
gotten them to appoint committees from that group who meet with
me in my office. They have rendered very good service and real
assistance. I have appeared before the State health department, and
I found the officials there very cooperative. When these problems
come up which our factory inspectors cannot handle, and are not
expected to handle, I borrow doctors from the State health depart­
ment. It has been perfectly willing to lend them to me and to give
me a report in writing.
It is fine to talk about these problems in New York where they
have so many people and they can get these doctors and add these
experts to their staff. But it is not possible to do anything like that
in Virginia and will not be at any time soon, and I presume some
other States represented here are in the same fix. What are we going
to do in the meantime is a problem on which I should like to have
some suggestions.
Dr. G r e e n r u r g . I think Commissioner Morton is doing just what
I should try to do, and what we do in New York. In the first place,
your problem is not the factory problem that we have in some of
our more highly industrialized States. In some States your prob­
lems may be largely problems of mining, where you may even have
a separate commissioner of mines or guardian over the mines. In
another place the problem may be largely agricultural, and in another
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In your case I think you are doing just what I should attempt to
do, and that is to get all the cooperation you can. I do not say that
you should not cooperate with everybody. In fact, we have had
certain problems in connection with gases after blasting where we
have called in experts from some of the big powder companies. We
call on the National Fire Prevention Association frequently. Eight
now we are dealing with the United States Bureau of Mines, because,
for the first time, wTe have allowed a Diesel engine to be operated
underground. The Baltimore Locomotive Co. designed a locomotive
to be operated underground, and the United States Bureau of Mines
has sent up several gas chemists to work with us in testing the
equipment.
You do not require an elaborate staff. A chemist, an engineer, and
a physician working together, constitute an excellent staff. You can,
however, get along for quite a while without one or another of
these. Certainly, you cannot do a good engineering job without
the help of a good, trained ventilating engineer. I think if I were
forced to select one of the three, I should try to get an engineer
first. Possibly after that I should look for a chemist, and leave the
physician for the last. I do not think research, however important,
is our most pressing or immediate concern from a practical point
of view. The important thing to do is to spot the plant where you
think there is a hazard and satisfy yourself that there is a hazard
to control, and then control it.
M r. M orton. W e have five mine inspectors and two of them are
graduate engineers, so we are very wTell fixed in that way.

Dr. G reenbijrg. That is an ideal arrangement.
Mr. F laherty (IowTa). In Iowa we find the same thing as Mr.
Morton does in Virginia, and we meet the situation practically the
same way. We use the health department in our hygiene work, and
it has been very successful on several occasions. However, I should
like to ask Miss Eiegelman a question. We find in our State, and I
presume it occurs in other States throughout the country, that the
use of the speed-up system has caused more accidents in factories
and more trouble for factory inspectors than probably any other one
thing. Has the International Labor Organization ever taken any
steps toward recommendations of legislation to abolish those systems ?
Miss E iegelman . A s far as I know, the most we have done has been
some research projects to see the effect of the different systems. I do
uot think we have ever gone so far as to make recommendations. We
do not have adequate information at present to know in what direc­
tion to make recommendations. That kind of suggestion, as to
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practical recommendations, would have to come from the governments
to the International Labor Office. Perhaps Dr. Greenburg knows
more nearly the answer to that question than I do from the point of
view of the I. L. O.
Dr. G reenburg. We have not had any experience with it in New
York State.
Mr. B la k e . It happens that I submitted that problem to the plants
of two or three of the leading companies who have achieved splendid
accident records, and they insist that if you lay out the work properly,
if you guard properly, and lay out your processing properly, you can
have faster production within quite wide limits with no increase in
accidents. In other words, the speed-up systems that do produce an
increase in accidents are not soundly managed.
The sound way to get maximum production in any process is to
plan every bit of the work to require the least labor, the fewest opera­
tions, and the greatest certainty of results, and make it go the way
it is planned. In other words, an accidental injury is almost always
simply the result of something going wrong in the planning and oper­
ation, so that when we find these speed-up systems in plants increasing
the accident rate, as we often do, we know that the root of the trouble
is in the poor planning. Speed-up systems can be handled safely,
as far as accidental injury is concerned. Their effect on health is a
different matter. They do not necessarily increase the accident rate,
however objectionable undue speed-up is from other standpoints.
Mr. F laherty . We find too that in some places where these differ­
ent machines have been in operation for years and safeguards are
just added to them, unless there is somebody right over the men all
the time, they will remove the guards and are often crippled for life
as a result. They will remove the guards to speed up and make their
production higher.
Mr. B la k e . That is true, but if the guard is right, the men have
no reason to remove it and you do not have the accident. That all
comes back to the sort of thing I advocated. Incidentally, another
advantage of having guards designed and built by the manufacturer
is that the manufacturer who designs that machine knows it better
than any other man. He is in a position to design a more practical
effective guard than anybody else, and if the machine is bought
fully guarded, one of the worst troubles of the factory inspector
disappears.
M r. M u r p h y . We have a very definite factory act giving our safety
men all the power needed to enforce their orders and recommenda­
tions, but that is the wrong way to go at it. Safety is the easiest




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thing to sell on its own merits. I f the inspector sells safety to the
employer and the worker, they take care of the rest of it.
We have a very comprehensive set of codes. We have safety
standard sheets. Our codes are illustrated. When the factory inspec­
tor issues an order, he has to be the judge of that machine, of what
it is going to take to safeguard it properly. We require all shaft­
ing, friction drives, and things like that to be completely enclosed,
but not necessarily a gear, unless it is large enough so that there is
a hazard there. We require everything to be properly safeguarded
to the point of 6 feet from the floor—gears, friction drives, coupling,
etc. It is easy to enforce if the inspectors know their business and
can sell the idea of safety to the employer and the worker. The
worker has to be sold on it just as well as anybody else.
In a plant there are different kinds of belts and pulleys and gears,
especially belts and pulleys, and we specify the material to be used in
safeguarding the particular machine. I f it is a high-speed belt, the
heavier the material we require to be used in building the safety
guard. In one experience I had in that connection, I was doing
inspection work and went into a cotton-oil mill. I issued an exten­
sive order. I asked how soon the work could be started and was told
right away. I asked if the employer had the material there and he
said, “ We will go out and look around the plant, salvage anything
around the plant, save us from buying.” I said, “All right; I ’ll be
back in 2 weeks.” We always tell them we will be back.
In 2 weeks I went back to that cotton-oil mill and there was no sign
of safety equipment there. I said, “ I thought you were going to
install safety equipment.” He said, “ I did.” “Where is it?” “ You
see that pile of debris out there? That was it.” I said, “ That was
safety equipment?”
He had taken orange crates, dismantled
them, tacked them with shingle nails, and installed that “ safety
equipment” around the belt and pulley. “ Yes,” he said, “ and that big
belt over there broke the other day, and it scattered that stuff all over
the room and the Negroes went out the windows and every place
else.” I said, “ You didn’t have safety equipment installed,” and we
specified the weight and dimensions of the material to be used.
Where there is a fire hazard, we do not recommend wood construc­
tion. In this case we had issued orders, and the employer admitted
he had not used the material we had asked for. We determined then
that w^e must tell the employer what kind of material to use, and we
do that now.
Of course, we do not have much to do with industrial hygiene. We
have a State health officer, a commissioner of public health. We get
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M r . M o r t o n . In discussing factory inspection with special refer­
ence to safety, I am wondering if the experience of our State has been
repeated in other States in recent months. While going over the
State, it was my privilege to appear before the safety meetings a
number of times and encourage them, and our inspectors did that
as they went about in an effort to sell their safety program. We
thought that was part of our work.
Recently there was issued an order by the Wage and Hour Division
stating the employers would have to pay the men for attending these
meetings, unless the attendance was voluntary on the part of the men.
Some of the employers have taken a very arbitrary stand and are
not having any meetings at all. We have between 18,000 and 20,000
miners in Virginia, and the operators have refused to have any
safety meetings. They have reduced the first-aid program. I do
not think this was intended, and I regret very much the stand they
have taken. They have been afraid even to post notices for fear they
would be held responsible and have to pay the employees for the time
spent attending safety meetings. I wonder if any of the other States
have had an experience like that.

Mr. S h u f o r d . That would have been an excellent question to have
asked the representative of the Wage and Hour Division yesterday
afternoon. However, I think that a recent bulletin issued by the
Wage and Hour Division states that safety meetings of the type
which you describe will not have to be paid for. That release came
out recently. I had a bulletin on it just the other day, and I believe
you will find that is what it says.
Mr. M o r t o n . A s I said to the operators—to a few of them assem­
bled the other day—I was sure such a bulletin would come out, and
stated that I felt sure that order was not intended to have that effect
on safety meetings.
Mr. S h u f o r d . That is quite a recent release, but I think it covers
the point you raised.
Mr. F a u s t (Illinois). I might mention this to the gentlemen from
Iowa, in connection with speed-up systems. I f you can get a man in­
terested in safety, you can very soon get him interested so that he
will not speed up production on his manual help, but he will divert
his attention in most cases to faster machinery, such as automaticallyfed machines, and in that way he will secure the increased production
he wants. Eventually he will forget about speeding up production
through having his employees do certain things, and take chances in
order to bring up their average and will depend on new apparatus to
do it. I know that to be a fact in and about Illinois.




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Training for State Labor Department Inspectors
By

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D iv is io n o f L a b o r S ta n d a rd s, U n ited S ta t e s D e p a r t m e n t o f
L abor

The Division of Labor Standards program for training State
labor department inspectors is part of a growing recognition of
the need for trained and able inspectors in the enforcement of labor
laws. It is the experience of specialists in this field that the wellqualified inspector is able to secure compliance, and at the same time
impress the employer with the fact that his department has a real
service to offer. Since he is frequently the only actual contact be­
tween the employer and the State department, the employer’s ap­
praisal of the effectiveness of the department is apt to rest upon his
evidence of efficiency.
The United States Department of Labor, charged by Congress
with promotion of the general welfare of workers, naturally has a
direct interest in building up a trained State personnel. It is equally
natural that the Secretary of Labor, who herself has been responsible
for the administration of a comprehensive State code of labor laws in
an outstanding industrial State, wished to contribute to the program.
She directed the Division of Labor Standards, therefore, early in its
operation, to explore the possibility of aiding States to train
inspectors.
The first training group of State inspectors met in Baltimore, Md.,
in 1936 and included 26 inspectors from the Maryland, West Virginia,
North Carolina, and Tennessee State labor departments.
Two points should, perhaps, be clarified: (1) These State training
groups are set up only upon request of State labor departments; (2)
they are really cooperative enterprises. This latter point may be
illustrated by the Baltimore course, which is typical of those which
followed. In this case, the facilities of the School of Hygiene and
Public Health of Johns Hopkins University were made available
for the whole period of the course. The Baltimore City Department
of Health and the Industrial Accident Commission of Maryland
arranged for plant inspection and gave assistance in many other ways.
Two experienced inspectors from the New York State Labor Depart­
ment were loaned to serve on the teaching staff with staff members
of the Division of Labor Standards. A number of employers coop­
erated by making their plants available for inspection purposes.
The basic idea of the training course is to call together inspectors
from a group of neighboring States and, in collaboration with an
educational institution which is active in kindred fields, carry the
inspector through a period of intensive training with whatever follow­
up may be necessary. A fundamental part of the training plan is
to provide opportunity for field inspection. The length of the train-




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ing period (2 weeks) is necessarily limited by the length of time for
which inspectors may be excused from their regular duties without
seriously curtailing the regular inspection activities.
As a result of the courses which have been held, the general plan
for a training group and the subject material presented have taken
a definite form, which, however, must remain sufficiently elastic to
adjust itself to specific conditions in any State and to the change in
techniques necessary to changing industrial processes. The course
begins with a presentation by the chief administrative officer of the
sponsoring State of the general principles of sound inspection and
of the philosophy underlying the labor laws for whose enforcement
the inspectors will be responsible. In general, a course consists of
lectures on specific subjects, inspection visits to selected plants, class
work—question and answer, seminar discussion, daily written quizzes,
final written quiz. As drill in giving short safety talks which in­
spectors may be asked to give upon the request or approval of man­
agement or labor, each student during the course may be asked to
give several 2-minute talks upon assigned subjects.
Plant visits are made in small groups not to exceed 8 men, with
a staff member in charge and conducted by a plant representative.
The necessary arrangements are made in advance. The plants se­
lected for use in such courses represent a wide diversity of problems,
illustrating both satisfactory and unsatisfactory conditions. No dis­
cussion of findings takes place in the plant, but upon return to a
discussion group, methods of safeguarding are studied, and where
incorrect conditions are found, methods of control are discussed.
To aid in the next day’s discussion, staff members are designated to
take notes, develop questions, and prepare problems for discussion.
The inspectors participate in the group discussion following plant
visits and are able to contribute valuable ideas drawn from their
own experience.
Subsequent to the Maryland course, a group of 85 inspectors from
four States—Illinois, Wisconsin, Arkansas, and Iowa—was given
training in Illinois in 1987. A second similar course was held for
the “ down State” inspectors, and was attended by approximately 80
inspectors. In 1988, three courses were held in various sections of
Pennsylvania in cooperation with the State College at Pittsburgh, the
University of Pittsburgh, and the University of Pennsylvania, respec­
tively. Each course was attended by approximately 30 inspectors
from the Pennsylvania State Department of Labor and Industry.
O f particular significance in the case of Pennsylvania were 15 weeks’
continuation courses, in the nature of seminars. These courses took
place on Fridays and Saturday only and were well attended by
inspectors. A course was held in Michigan in 1938 in cooperation
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with the Michigan State College and attended by approximately
20 inspectors from Michigan and Indiana.
Additional courses to be held in the immediate future include one
to be given in Alabama, in cooperation with the University of
Alabama and Alabama Polytechnic Institute, to be attended by ap­
proximately 25 factory inspectors from Alabama, Georgia, Florida,
Tennessee, Arkansas, and Colorado. In December a course, to be
held in cooperation with the University of Richmond, is planned
for approximately 20 inspectors from Virginia, West Virginia, and
North and South Carolina.
Staff members of the Division of Labor Standards have also par­
ticipated in the training of inspectors in the enforcement of other
labor laws, such as those relating to hours, wages, and child labor,
and these subjects will be included in the next courses to be conducted.
The Division of Labor Standards is very glad to make available
the material which has been developed for such courses and to extend
its service in training to any State which cares to avail itself of such
assistance.
Carrying the Safety Message to the 92 Percent
By

J o se p h

T.

F a u st,

Illin o is D e p a r tm e n t o f L a b o r

The subject assigned to me is Carrying the Safety Message to the
92 Percent, and I ask your permission to approach this subject some­
what along the following lines: (a) What does this 92 percent
of small industries consist of? (b) Where are they to be found and
how do they operate? (c) What is wrong with this group with
respect to safety? (d) What work has been done up to date?
(e) What remains to be done now?
We all agree the small plant is not sold on safety. We know that
a safety program in its entirety, one to correct all evils, would be
too expensive. We are also aware that accidents that happen within
the scope of these small plants make a high frequency rate because
of the limited number of man-hours involved.
With these thoughts in mind, I shall consider this subject and
conclude with our conception of what should be done to reach these
small plants and to arouse their interest in safety.
For a satisfactory approach to this subject some sort of an outline
of the experiences of these small concerns in the past might be nec­
essary. A distinction must be understood between the employer who
has a very small number of employees, say from 1 to 5, and those
with a total up to possibly 101. In safety work, where the small
plant leaves off and the large one commences is a matter of varied
opinion, but research work has revealed a positive understanding
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specific rules will have to be applied to those concerns with a limited
number of employees, of a certain type and nature of business, etc.
In the past we have been familiar with such items of safety con­
nected with the small industry as employer attitude, lack of knowl­
edge, cost, reliance on insurance companies, and unsuccessful attempts
to organize safety work. Each of these should be touched on briefly
in comparing the past and future, in an attempt to reach this 92
percent. But I hope that I can reveal some new phases of safety
interest in connection with the small employer that will give a little
encouragement to us in this sphere of safety work, and enable us
to utilize them in the education for safety of that large percentage
group that has made the frequency and severity records so high in
the past.
A t the outset we all agree that records among these small em­
ployers are lacking, and that information as to one particular type
would not be applicable to another. I f records were available and
could be compiled and broken down, so that the recapitulation would
show how to get at the causes of typical accidents, much could be
done in standardizing the kind and type of safety to be provided.
A ll of us, I am sure, agree that some kind of a record for safety
should be kept, but as to who should keep such records and how they
should be kept is not so clear. W e would run into the item of expense
again and the other small details that the small employer tries to
avoid. I am quite sure, however, that a survey might be started, and
with this beginning, interest would be aroused so that eventually
either the employer, the insurance company, or the State would be
able to extend its safety work to the point where statistics adequate
for our purpose and on which to base our activities could be
developed.

What and Where Are They?
In every nook and corner of the United States we find these small
plants with from 1 to 100 employees. In large cities they are located
in all sections— some buildings housing a group of them. These small
employers seldom get first-hand information or experience in safety
work. They lack the rules and discipline that you find in the better
organized industries. The boss or foreman or worker does every­
thing, from loading a truck to operating a large press. He is not
an expert in any of these particular operations, but does them the
way he has seen them done at some other place or by some other
individual. He has qualifications for certain duties, but he cannot
be considered an expert in every branch of the work he does. In
the large plant, men are trained for each job, but the small plant
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crowded, with a great variety of machinery scattered about in a way
entirely unrelated to the flow of production.
An attitude of animosity toward anyone who might advise them on
safety work is dominant among the small employers, because of their
competitive field and their personal control over their own businesses.
The small employer is of the opinion that if he carries insurance, the
insurance company should worry over his safety problems, and there­
fore he can give all his time to production. This attitude, which is
a very serious one, is encountered in all our work and makes our
job difficult. Each of you is acquainted with many such small
employers, who are exceptionally hard to convince as to providing
safety for their workers.
It is, therefore, very difficult to approach these smaller establish­
ments with regard to safety, as their operations, raw material, etc.,
are so diversified. In making a survey it requires, without doubt,
the knowledge of a well-trained inspector, so that he can convince the
employer that he can talk his language and can give him something
worth while in safety work.
W hat

Is W rong?

A ll of us who are part of the safety work in our particular sec­
tions or districts can point to those types of industry, or industries,
that are not up to date in their safety work. W e are well acquainted
with the activities of the plants, particularly the larger ones, that
make safety a part of their organization and provide a department
exclusively for this work. Many of the men in these plants have
spent much time in getting the real facts in order to prevent acci­
dents, and their experience has been extended to others, so that they
can benefit therefrom. W e can also point to those industries that
provide ample first aid and nurses and doctors to take care of their
employees. From these industries, because of their past experience,
much good has spread to the others.
But still we wonder, W hat is wrong? W ith all the good that has
come from all these fields of safety work and with the vast amount
of money that has been expended for the prevention of accidents in
the years gone by, why has the safety program not yet reached, in
its entirety, the 92 percent? Here we have a variety of opinion.
You and I can recall a small plant here and there that has received
the benefits of the surveys that have been made for safety work in
the past. But still we ask, W hat have we neglected? W hat have
we forgotten? Has our approach been incorrect?

In Illinois, in our opinion and we believe we are no different from
other States, the trouble lies in the effectiveness of the program.
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has been hit and miss, so to speak, rather than one which would per­
meate all the sections of our State where small industries exist. One
of our remedies, for example, has been to attack the monument
and brickmaking industry. W e have asked our inspectors to send
in complete lists of every such industry operating in their particular
districts. Our hygiene division has visited a large percentage of
these concerns and standardized the type of safety and methods of
operation, which would effectively safeguard typical industries
throughout the State. Our inspectors have been given standard
letters of instruction and a form to fill out, so as to take care of
this type of industry in their respective districts. W e believe this
will permanently give us control of the monument and brickmaking
plants.
A similar program extending throughout the State will take care
of, for instance, foundries, laundries, chemical plants, etc. Depart­
mental standardization surveys will also be made, covering, say,
power presses, grinding, polishing, buffing, etc. This, we believe,
will give every type of inspection the same method of approach,
so that, regardless of his experience, the inspector will be able to
control his district according to the instructions of those with wider
experience and knowledge of controlling methods, who can keep him
informed at all times.
When we attack the phrase, What is wrong? we realize, too, the
importance of the programs and personnel of the agencies directing
this safety work. Much has yet to be done in perfecting the per­
sonnel of the organizations, by the selection of persons adapted to
the work. As stated upon previous occasions, the merit system
among factory inspectors is being recognized more and more each
year.
You and I can point out many other conditions which we know
are wrong, and when our attention is directed primarily to obtaining
the desired results, many methods employed at the present time will
have to be changed. The men in this safety work deal with the
general public, and their duties require experience and ability, which
cannot be acquired in a few years. W e have to combine the experi­
ence of the past with the ever-changing methods used in production
today, in order to keep up with the times.
So when we consider, What is wrong? we might say, almost
everything.

What Has Been Done?
Feeble efforts on the part of employers, employees, and interested
groups of individuals of these small concerns have only scratched
the surface, but they have provided some small measures of safety
which have indirectly been beneficial here and there. W e cannot




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emphasize too greatly the work that has been done or comment upon
the intended purpose of these efforts.
Associations, individually and in groups, have also provided some
means of protection to the workers where the situation was obvious.
This interchange of ideas, small as it has been, could have been
broadened for the protection of the small employer, and, no doubt,
would have paid good dividends. Insurance companies assuming
these risks have exerted themselves to obtain compliance with their
recommendations, but in the years gone by many of the hazards
have been overlooked because of the variation in the premiums and
the competition among the various insurance groups. Their laxity
has been apparent, both from the standpoint of enforcement and
from the standpoint of compliance. The insurance companies have,
as shown by their records, suffered many a great loss in the assump­
tion of these risks, being fortunate only in that the law of averages
has kept their percentage to the minimum. W e have had insurance
companies begging for cooperation from the governmental agencies
in carrying the risk of many small employers. Statistics will not
reveal an understanding of this situation, so you will have to accept
these facts as true.
Governmental-inspection organizations have in the past covered
this type of employer, issuing orders and recommendations in an
effort to make the plant safe. Extension of time has been granted
over and over again, and because of the nonexistence of codes or of
conflicting codes, some binding by law and others not, many of these
recommendations have been neglected. Delays in litigation and
other reasons with which you are familiar have allowed these small
concerns to continue operating under conditions which we consider
very hazardous.
Summing up what has been done, we might say the combination
of employers, employees, insurance companies, and governmental
enforcement agencies cannot boast of the progress made with this
92 percent in the years behind us.

What Can Now Be Done?
W e shall consider now the proper method in which these small
plants can be reached and an interest in safety aroused. There is
no question but that we should use a lot of psychology. W e have
so many different types of individuals to contend with. The owners
of these small industries are not standardized by any means, and
therefore a program of safety which we might consider standardized
would fit only a certain percentage of them. This brings us back to
the important consideration of having qualified inspectors who have
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phlet of a manufacturer which states emphatically that only the insur­
ance company and the State factory inspector can solve this problem.
W e know that some of these industries are thoughtful of safety only
when a serious accident occurs. A t that time we, as inspectors, have
an opportunity with our accident cards to force them to consider
safety.
Take, for example, a small metal plant where orders were on record
from the State department to safeguard its equipment. Some weeks
after they were issued a young man lost four of his fingers on the
identical press that was ordered to be guarded. The owner was
given a ticket to come into the office, and it was explained to him
that under the law he was criminally negligent in not complying
with the safety orders on his desk. This man was aroused and left
the office with a more thorough understanding of safety than he had
ever had before. The program he inaugurated in his plant would be
well worth while in one of the larger plants in our State today.
Another point I should like to emphasize here is that all govern­
mental agencies that control this type of work should have in their
files lists of unguarded machinery and other apparatus or dangerous
health conditions, so they can show the owner that these matters
have been called to his attention previously. Owners, knowing that
these records can be subpenaed, will take a different viewpoint when
they are forced to admit negligence.
Do not misunderstand me. I am in favor of prosecution of these
cases, but only from the standpoint of forcing the idea of safety
upon those individuals who need it. From our records in Illinois
very few cases have to be prosecuted. A good heart-to-heart talk
with an individual or group will sometimes change the entire picture;
that is, if each one has confidence in the other, and the inspector is
able to talk the language of the employer. The inspector must show
that he has something to sell, just as a good salesman has to know
his product and how to make sales.
W e had another plant with which for many years we had a dif­
ference of opinion in the analyzing of the different phases of safety.
An adjacent industrial neighbor was more easily convinced, and after
his completion of an extended safety program, in which he expended
a vast amount of money, this antagonistic employer was invited,
through the State inspector, to visit his neighbor. As a result, we
have a similar program under way in this plant where the owner
had misunderstood our original purpose.
Another method of approach is by selecting the type of inspector
who can meet the mind of a certain type of small employer. This
we have found has been successful in getting a better understanding
of safety than in the past. The selection of an inspector solely for
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pictures, and showing them to these small groups, has gone a long
way in getting the confidence of the employer. Another plant that
had many items that needed attention is now cooperating because
of this type of work.
Still another plant was given an order consisting of 75 different
items. Naturally, a small owner who received an order like that
would be up in arms against the agency that had asked him to make
expenditures which would practically put him out of business. A
little study in psychology changed this picture, and the next inspec­
tion order contained only three of the most serious items, which were
immediately cared for in the next budget and the conditions reme­
died. At the next inspection the inspector gave him an order for
three more. This also was taken care of without any question. After
several of these inspections, some of the other items were cleaned
up automatically, and as a result this plant is today on the way to
having a safety record to be proud of.
To sum up, the successful governmental agency will have to have
a program that will fit each type of individual small employer, and
at the same time include all employers within one group, so as to
standardize the type of orders and recommendations to be issued and
to get away from the hit and miss type of inspection, in order that
the districts may be thoroughly covered. This will give us more
time in the future to devote to changes in operation and in the use
of new raw materials, which we believe should be controlled while
the use of the new material is in its infancy.
Thoroughly trained inspectors, experienced executives, constructive
and effective programs, and the confidence of the employer and em­
ployee groups are factors essential toward carrying the safety mes­
sage to the 92 percent.
The inspector should arrange a meeting with the smaller em­
ployer after a thorough understanding of the character and nature
of his business and his attitude toward safety, and, as the modern
salesman does, gain his confidence and interest. I f the inspector
is then referred to some other official of the business, to carry on
he must first get a clear understanding of how far the boss will
allow him to go. The effectiveness of this contact insures safety
being introduced into this plant with the certainty that it will re­
main permanently. Whether it is the issuance of orders, a program
of education, motion pictures, a safety talk, or a meeting— whichever
it is— it must be kept alive. Many openings will occur here and
there to admit the inspector into one of these plants, either through
an accident, raised insurance premium, or a complaint, but in each
instance he can make use of it to stir up an interest in safety.
While in one of these places you may encounter the owner who
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hard man to deal with, an independent type who may control his
business from a small window in his office which looks out into the
shop. He buys on price, stores up supplies and raw materials, builds
up his stock of finished products; if doing a job-shop business, he
tells you conditions change every few minutes and asks what you
can do about it.
So my proposed program would include psychology, a program
for each type of industry, a thorough well-trained inspector, who has
all of the qualifications needed, and who holds his position because
of merit alone.




Social S ecu rity

Employment Security for Workers
B y O

scar

M . P

ow ell

,

U n ited S t a t e s S o cia l S e c u r it y B o a r d

The Social Security Act and its administration, in which labor
has such a great stake, have undergone significant changes since your
meeting last year.
The last session of Congress saw two important legislative events
of interest to those concerned with the administration of labor legis­
lation in the field of social security. The first of these was the
Reorganization Act, out of which grew the Presidents Reorgani­
zation Plan No. 1 establishing the Federal Security Agency; the
second was the Social Security Act amendments, which marked an­
other step forward in the expansion and liberalization of the social
security program.
As you know, the Federal Security Agency brings together six
major governmental services for the general welfare, designed, as
President Roosevelt has stated, “to promote social and economic
security, educational opportunity, and the health of the citizens of
the Nation.” The six organizations are the United States Employ­
ment Service, the Social Security Board, the United States Public
Health Service, the Federal Office of Education, the National Youth
Administration, and the Civilian Conservation Corps.
The amendments do not alter the foundation for cooperative pro­
tection provided by the original act of 1935; they do, however,
broaden and liberalize its scope. They offer a more adequate and
well-rounded program of insurance protection for wage earners and
for their families; they make more Federal money available to the
States for public assistance, public health, and child welfare; they
provide substantial tax savings for workers and their employers; and
they should help to increase Nation-wide buying power.
The public assistance titles have been strengthened by providing
more adequate funds to the States, which will allow them better to
provide for the needy aged and for dependent children. It is now
possible for the Federal Government to match State expenditures
for old-age assistance up to $20 per month instead of $15 as previously
authorized. But of greater importance, I believe, is the amendment
which permits a reimbursement to States on an equal basis for moneys

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granted on behalf of dependent children. Provision has been made
for the aged in every State, and in Alaska and Hawaii and the
District of Columbia. It is true that the grants varied widely from
State to State from a high of $32.45 and a low of $6.02 in June
1939. But the needy children of the Nation fared much worse under
the old plan, which required the State to spend $2 for each $1 spent
by the Federal Government. The result, which can in part, I think,
be attributed to this financing arrangement, was that only 42 States
had any plan at all for aid to dependent children and the average
payment in some of those was woefully inadequate.

I am entirely sympathetic with this plan to care, and to care
adequately as is feasible, for our people who have passed the age
of productive usefulness and are in need, but I am equally, if not
more greatly, concerned that the new generation be cared for in a
fashion which will permit them to become productive members of
the community and to take their places as good citizens. It is hoped
that this amendment will enable the States better to meet the respon­
sibility which they have to their dependent children, and to maintain
them with their families, which is so essential to normal growth and
development.
The most far-reaching changes* made by the amendments relate
to the Federal old-age insurance program which went into operation
on January 1, 1937. First and foremost, the Federal old-age insur­
ance program has been changed to an old-age and survivors’ insurance
program; benefit payments have been advanced to 1940 and have been
liberalized in the early years. In addition to the payment of benefits
to the insured worker, there will also be payments to the wife and
widow of an aged annuitant; to the young widow with dependent
children; and in certain cases to aged dependent parents. Thus, the
system has been extended from one of individual protection to one
of family protection.
Older workers, in particular, will benefit from the amendments in
several ways. For example, the “stop date” on wages earned after
age 65 is removed as of January 1, 1939. This change will be of
material help to such workers in meeting the qualifications for
monthly benefits. Previously, as soon as a man became 65 he was
out of the system. Now, if a man keeps on working after reaching
65, his wages will continue to be added to the total on his social
security account, and such periods of employment will be counted
in determining whether he qualifies for a retirement annuity.
Another change which increases protection for both older and
younger workers is the provision of supplementary benefits for aged
wives and dependent children and of monthly benefits for survivors.
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tion of greater social security. The family is the basic unit in our
society, and adequate security for the wage earner must include the
security of those dependent upon him. This is recognized in the
amendments. They provide additional monthly benefits for an annu­
itant’s wife if, or when, she is 65, and for his minor children. When
an insured worker dies, survivors’ benefits are provided for his widow,
if she is 65 or has minor children in her care, and for such children
themselves; or for the worker’s parents, if they are aged and depend­
ent, and if there is no widow or child.
I know that many of you who are here will be gratified to know
that in planning these extensive changes in the old-age insurance
program the legislative and administrative experience under work­
men’s accident compensation was of great value. For instance, the
types of survivorship benefits payable under workmen’s compensa­
tion and the administrative problems connected with such payments
were studied very carefully in the planning of the survivorship
benefits under the extended Federal insurance program. This very
fact brings home to us the necessity and importance of exchanging
ideas and experience in the various fields of labor legislation. By
such exchange we can all serve more effectively in developing sound
legislation and efficient administration.
The much-discussed reserve has been replaced by an Old Age and
Survivors’ Trust Fund, under the management of a board of ex
officio trustees.
The tax increase scheduled under the act, as originally written
to go into effect next year, has been postponed.
These legislative changes, of course, necessitated a revision of
administrative plans and will require many procedural changes.
Fortunately, the fundamental base of records needs no alteration, and
it is our belief that the machinery set up can and, with minor ad­
justments, will turn out a satisfactory result.
That this result, made possible by the very painstaking work of
the advisory counsel and of the Congress, will benefit the people of
the Nation, I have no doubt.
Before I turn to employment service and unemployment compensa­
tion, wdth which I have been most immediately concerned in the
past w^eeks and which I know is of interest to you, reference should
be made to another statutory change which is of importance to the
States, in all of the cooperative programs provided for under the
Social Security Act. I refer to the amendment which provides that
the State unemployment compensation plans (and also the public
assistance plans) must provide merit systems for personnel begin­
ning January 1, 1940. After discussion in the Senate, this amend­
ment was passed by the overwhelming vote of 72 to 2. The
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ary 1, 1940, methods of administration including methods relating
to the establishment as well as the maintenance of personnel stand­
ards on a merit basis as are found by the Board to be reasonably
calculated to insure full payment of unemployment compensation
when due. Definite provision is made in the law that the Board
shall not exercise any authority with respect to the selection, tenure
of office, and compensation of any individual employed in accordance
with such methods.
The authority to carry out the new provision in the Federal act
can be established by the States without the necessity of legislative
action. Practically all State unemployment-compensation programs
now provide some type of merit system for personnel, and wdiere
changes are necessary these can be easily made, and the Social Se­
curity Board is prepared to render all possible service and help in
this connection. A statement of personnel standards is now being
prepared for the guidance of State agencies and will be available
shortly.
It is our hope that, with the firmer foundation provided by the
amendment, a better structure can be built which will prove to be
a source of strength and a protection to State administrators against
those pressures which all too often result in inefficiency and impaired
morale.
W e appreciate the importance of this matter to the State ad­
ministrators, and desire that through the closest kind of collabora­
tion details of application can be worked out which will be
reasonable enough to achieve ready acceptance and flexible enough
to permit of adaptation to the varied conditions in the several States.
I hope that we will have a chance to discuss this at greater length
another time.
The changes made by the amendments in the unemploymentcompensation sections of the act relate mainly to the tax and employ­
ment provisions.
The Federal tax base was changed so that
beginning January 1, 1940, only the first $3,000 of wages paid by an
employer to an employee for a year will be taxed. This $3,000
limit will save employers about $65,000,000 per year when all States
have made the necessary changes in their own legislation. In addition,
refunds and adjustments of taxes of employers who were late in
paying their 1936, 1937, and 1938 contributions to State unemploy­
ment funds will mean a saving to employers of some $15,000,000
in Federal taxes.
Coverage of the unemployment-compensation provisions has been
extended to some 200,000 employees of certain banks and building
and loan associations.
Tax reporting for employers is simplified by making the old-age
insurance and unemployment compensation tax provisions more




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nearly identical. Unemployment compensation taxes are now based
on “wages paid,” as they always have been for old-age insurance;
in both programs only the first $3,000 a year paid to an employee
is taxed, and employment exclusions for both have been made more
nearly parallel.
I have outlined to you only the more important changes made in
the Social Security A ct; there are many others which are going to
help men, women, and children in every State, such as the increased
funds for public health work, vocational rehabilitation, and maternal
and child welfare.
In accordance with the Reorganization Plan, the Social Security
Board has consolidated the functions of the United States Employ­
ment Service and the unemployment-compensation functions of the
Social Security Board in a new Bureau of Employment Security.
There was some debate over the name, but that was chosen because
it seemed to place the emphasis where it ought to be— upon employ­
ment. In this new Bureau the employment service and unemploy­
ment compensation are on an equal plane, thus maintaining the
integrity of each service but so organized as both to serve a common
purpose— the employment security of the individual and the Nation.
W ith the rapid industrialization of our country, and in spite of
our vast increase in national wealth and income, the problem of
obtaining employment and economic security has become more acute
for the individual. The Bureau of Employment Security has been
established better to assist the States in dealing with the problems
of unemployment. The first objective of the program is to find
jobs for individuals. When no job is found, the individual has
every right to expect prompt payment of the insurance benefits
which have been provided.
The Federal responsibility in connection with the program is
stated in the Social Security and Wagner-Peyser Acts and is to be
discharged largely through the Bureau of Employment Security.
These functions of the Bureau include assistance to the States in:
(1) Developing a system of public employment offices to find jobs
for workers and to find workers for employers, with special provision
for serving farmers, veterans, and counseling the inexperienced and
physically handicapped; (2) Promptly paying unemploymentinsurance benefits; (3) Collecting unemployment-insurance contri­
butions; and (4) Developing standards for proper administration.

The Bureau also has the responsibility of advising the Social
Security Board as to the amounts necessary to be granted to the
States for proper administration.
A t this time, I wish to say that the Social Security Board is deeply
aware of the great responsibility which it has to maintain the gains
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important public services. In carrying out this responsibility we
know we can count upon the experience and counsel of the many
State and Federal officials and private organizations intimately con­
nected with the administration of these services. W e hope that you
will feel free to make suggestions to us from time to time so that we
may carry out efficiently and satisfactorily the work we have
before us.
The new Bureau has two major program divisions which are
coordinated and headed by assistant directors— the Employment Serv­
ice Division and the Unemployment Compensation Division. These
two will develop standards and material, and render technical assist­
ance to State agencies in their respective fields. They will do, in
short, the same general kind of technical professional jobs they did
before the merger. It is hoped that, by a pooling of the resources,
a somewhat better job may be done in some respects.
For example, it appears the junior placement work might well be
strengthened with profit. I hope that the provision in your consti­
tution, which states as a purpose of your organization: “To act as
a medium for the interchange of information for and by the members
of the association in all matters pertaining to the general welfare
of men, women, and young workers in industry; to aid in securing
the best possible education for minors which will enable them to
adequately meet the constantly changing industrial and social
changes,” is ample ground for the hope that you will actively help
in giving impetus to a real junior placement program.
W e shall attempt to do more toward cost analysis and cost study,
with the hope that more objective criteria may be developed to meas­
ure State budgetary requirements, to the end that factors of indi­
vidual judgment may be reduced to a minimum. This, I believe,
is particularly desirable as to staffing requirements.
Work of the Bureau in the field of research and statistics has
been placed in a single division, and a field division, through which
contacts with State administrators will flow, has been set up.
The field division and the Bureau as a whole, in fact, will func­
tion through the regional representatives, who will be vested with
broad responsibility and authority in dealing with State agencies
in matters concerning both unemployment compensation and employ­
ment service.
It is contemplated that a single budget, reflecting the needs of
the State for both services, will replace the present dual budgets.
Greater responsibility will be given to bureau representatives in the
region with regard to negotiating on budget matters, and it is ex­
pected that only those questions which involve new policy will be
handled by the field division in Washington, with the advice of the
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This move toward decentralization should make possible a more
prompt and a better service to the States.
It is my belief that headquarters’ technicians must maintain close
contact with operations if they are to preserve a sense of reality,
without which the results of their labors are likely to become sterile.
And so the pattern of the new bureau anticipates extensive field
work on the part of personnel in the program divisions.
The administrative structure of the Bureau, as you see, is simple—
a director, and an assistant director who will assist in coordination
and will be responsible for work on fiscal and management standards
which concern both employment service and unemployment compen­
sation, a division of research and statistics, the field division, and
the two program divisions.
The problems with which we shall deal and are dealing immedi­
ately are not so simple.
W e are giving attention to a rather complete overhauling of our
grant and budget procedure, simplifying it, and setting controls so
that the delays which have resulted in grants being certified, in
some cases, after the beginning of the period for which the grant
was made, may be eliminated. Some of this delay has been our fault,
some the fault of the States. It is not necessary, I believe, and should
be prevented.
Relaxation of line control of personnel items in the budgets of
12 States was effected in August. W e expect to move toward a similar
relaxation for all States as soon as conditions warrant.
The State administrators have suggested changes in the procedure
which require affiliation agreements and State plans covering employ­
ment-service operations. Our present thinking is that some of these
changes seem feasible and desirable.
The creation of this new bureau should provide us with a better
opportunity to serve the States, to make the task of the State adminis ­
trator a little less difficult by providing him with one person with
whom to deal rather than two. It should give us an opportunity
better to serve the States on the technical aspects of these programs
and, by so serving the States, better to serve the people of the country;
because it is true now, as it has been, that the results of the job are
either good or bad as the States do it.
And there is much to be done in the field of providing security
in employment. The first and only real solution, of course, is jobs—
jobs which will provide people with enough to live on in decency.
Obviously, we do not control all of the factors which need go into
the solution. The economics are not in our field. But neither is
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W hat a challenge we have in our labor exchange job— to demon­
strate the usefulness of joint governmental action in guiding the
fluid labor supply of the Nation into the turbines of industry, that
production can be had from men and independence and security be
given to men who before were idle and therefore a prey to all that
goes with idleness.
These services are young. The history of both placement and
unemployment-compensation work is measured by a few years. There
are between 30 and 35 thousand people in this country engaged in this
work who, until a very short time ago, had no training or experi­
ence in the fields. The making of good placements requires a knowl­
edge of industrial conditions and industrial labor needs in the com­
munity. The prompt payment of the benefits provided as an insur­
ance against society’s failure to provide a job requires skillful trained
technicians. Despite the very real progress which has been made
during these recent years, a task of training remains to be done,
a constant and never-ending task which will call for all of the inge­
nuity and intelligence and skill that we can muster.
Facts and statistics, available for the first time with the advent
of these programs, need analysis and study. They should give us
more insight into the magnitude and complexities of the problems of
employment security and through them we should be better able to
direct our course.
I want to emphasize, in closing, that in setting up the Bureau of
Employment Security, we kept always in mind two things: (1) That
the major objective of the program was to fill every available job
with a worker capable of doing it and, failing in this, to pay,, and pay
promptly, the insured worker the benefits to which he is entitled;
and (2) that the States are responsible for the operation of these
programs and that we in Washington best serve the people by making
the task of the State as easy as possible, by removing obstacles to oper­
ation and by acting as a clearing house for and supplying to States
information which should tend to improve administration.
Though the new Social Security Program is not complete nor final,
it does represent constructive progress, in line with the experience
gained during the 4 years since the original law was passed. It pro­
vides greater protection for more people, at the same time making a
better distribution of costs. It recognizes the Government’s obliga­
tion to give thought to the well-being, not only of the individual, but
also of the family. A ll in all, it is a more adequate, yet safer and
sounder program— one which, as President Roosevelt said in signing
the amendments, “represents another tremendous step forward in
providing greater security for the people of this country.”
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D is c u s s io n

Mr. G o l d y (Illinois). I appreciate very much the opportunity to
discuss Mr. Powell’s remarks with respect to employment security for
workers. You know, I have never seen a woman who did not think
she could raise her neighbor’s children better than her neighbor could.
I think we who are in the States and they who are in the Federal
Government feel pretty much the same way about each other’s
operations.
We in the States have gotten the impression, I think, that the offi­
cials in Washington felt they could run the State programs better
than the State administrators could, and I think that we in the States
have likewise felt that we could run the Washington program better
than the Washington administrators could. I should like to take
Mr. Powell at his word and offer some very frank criticisms. These
criticisms are not offered in any derogatory sense. As a matter of
fact, we in the States feel very definitely that the Bureau of Employ­
ment Security has a very difficult, if not impossible, situation to cope
with. The situation is briefly this: The States have passed laws
to provide unemployment-compensation benefits to workers when they
are unemployed. They have in some cases coordinated, and in one or
two cases integrated, the State employment-service activities with
the unemployment-compensation activities. Some of the adminis­
trators of those State programs are elective officials. All of the
administrators are held responsible to some State authority, the
governor or the legislature. While the State has the responsibility
for administering the program, the Bureau of Employment Security
maintains so-called budget control. They pay the “ freight.” If, in
one of the States, the administrator does not do so well, he is the
person who is held responsible, not the boys in Washington. Yet
the officials in Washington are the ones who really control operations
because they control the budget. That is inherently a rather impos­
sible situation, and the fact that there has not been more trouble than
there has is a tribute to the intelligence and the patience of both the
State administrators and the people in Washington.
As Mr. Powell indicated, the officials in Washington have not been
unmindful of the criticisms of their operations by the State adminis­
trators, and they have already taken certain steps to meet some of
the criticisms. They are to be commended for this action. We are
in substantial agreement with everything that Mr. Powell proposes.
However, we feel that the Bureau of Employment Security might
well go considerably farther in its contemplated program. We would
also like to see exactly how it attempts to put some of its well-stated
purposes into effect. For example, let us examine the budget matter.
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serious difficulties over the fact that budgets had been held up, and
he said that he hopes that such difficulties will be avoided in the
future. He admitted that the Federal Government was partly to
blame for it. To this, there were some fervent and enthusiastic agree­
ments expressed by certain of the administrators who are now in the
audience.
With respect to a solution of the budget problem, Mr. Powell has
indicated that there is going to be, first of all, a single budget for
the State unemployment compensation and employment service
agency, rather than a separate budget for the employment-service and
unemployment-compensation activities. We heartily endorse that
proposal. Mr. Powell has also indicated that the Bureau expects to
decentralize its activities by giving the regional representatives addi­
tional authority for dealing with the States on budget matters. Again
we are in hearty agreement. However, Mr. Powell indicated that
there was some fear in Washington that they might be going from
one extreme to another in so doing. I think that is a very legitimate
fear, and I hope that the Bureau of Employment Security will prop­
erly distinguish between those of the regional representatives who
can assume the function and those who cannot when decentralizing
budgetary authority. I f they do not make that distinction, they
might be putting a State at the mercy of a person who is not
sufficiently trained or competent to carry on.
Mr. Powell indicated that there was a tendency toward granting
the States lump-sum budgets. We hope that this is true, and believe
that immediate steps can be taken if proper distinctions are made
between States which can well assume the responsibility of properly
allocating lump-sum grants from those which cannot.
In addition to budgets, which have been one of the prime sources
of friction between the Federal and State governments, there has been
another very important area of friction. That is the situation that
exists in Washington with respect to getting procedures and regula­
tions cleared. Those of you who have never attempted to get a pro­
cedure cleared in Washington will not know what I am talking
about. Those of you who have made the attempt will know very well
what I mean. We had the experience of traveling down to Wash­
ington just a couple of weeks ago on 12 or 15 matters relating to
procedures and regulations, and we ran up against some very peculiar
difficulties. For example, we had been told just a few weeks before
that a regulation which we had drafted was out of conformity with
the Board’s minimum standards. We had worked it out by a very
democratic process. We had called in the operators and the union
representatives to work out regulations to Randle a very special situ­
ation of mass partial unemployment in the coal industry. The regu­
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operators, the union, and the State agency. Almost as an after­
thought, we cleared with Washington. The regulation was declared
to be out of conformity, and had we pursued our way without regard
to the Board’s opinion, we might have wound up behind an admin­
istrative “ 8-ball” without funds with which to administer the program.
That regulation wTas one of the subjects discussed while we were
in Washington. Imagine our surprise to find that there was a
goodly number of Bureau technicians in Washington who held
opinions completely contrary to the individuals who told us that
we were out of conformity. This other group of experts in Wash­
ington felt that w^e had proposed the only sensible method of oper­
ating in a mass partial unemployment situation.
That is why I say, as I believe most of you will say, “ Amen”
to Mr. Powell’s suggestion that there ought to be some very defi­
nitely defined minimum standards. The Board ought to come
along and say to the State administrators, “ There are certain fields
in which we know nothing. We frankly admit it. There is more
knowledge in the States than there is in Washington on these sub­
jects. We do not propose to draw up minimum standards for those
fields. However, there are, in the realm of management problems,
clearly defined minimum standards of operation and cost which
can be drawn up. We will draw up these standards and insist
that all the States adhere to them.” The States will then know
where the line is, when they are crossing it, and should be willing
to accept the consequences of any violations. At the present time,
the Board’s standards are so poorly defined and are concerned with
such unmeasurable factors that the States do not know when they
are or are not out of conformity.
May I illustrate to you how far this conformity matter has gone.
We had the pleasure of meeting with the members of the general
counsel’s office from the Social Security Board, as well as the
experts from the Bureau. We had proposed a regulation which we
felt was administratively necessary in Illinois to carry out the intent
of the law, if not the written letter of the law. We had sent
the regulation to Washington 10 days in advance of our coming to
give the lawyers and Bureau technicians a chance to review it.
We sat down with the representatives of the general counsel’s
office and the experts from the Bureau and we asked them, “How about
this regulation that we have proposed ? Is it all right or isn’t it ?” One
worthy gentlemen from the general counsel’s office looked at us and
solemnly said, “Very sorry; if you adopt that regulation, you will be
out of conformity.” My colleague from Illinois and I sat back for a
while and considered the ^implications of that statement. We reflected
on what we, who were responsible for administering the Illinois law,
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three minutes passed in this way, and then lo and behold, the other
gentleman from the counsel’s office spoke up. This gentleman, equally
solemnly, told us that we would be out of conformity if we did not
adopt the regulation. Thus, we were hanged if we did, and worse off
if we didn’t.
I am probably sticking my neck way out in so doing, but I should
like to submit a proposal to Mr. Powell with respect to the internal
organization of the Social Security Board. I should like to see done
in the Bureau of Employment Security what they have allegedly
done in the Bureau of Public Assistance. That is, certain gentlemen
from the general counsel’s office should be definitely assigned to the
Bureau of Employment Security. They should not sit in an ivory
tower and write opinions with no regard whatsoever for the operat­
ing problems, but should work directly with the operating heads.
They should attempt to write opinions which can conceivably be
administered by the Bureau and by the States. We in Illinois do
not permit our legal staff to sit off in a corner somewhere and issue
dictums. The legal counsel works directly with us and finds legal
ways for us to do those things which we find we must do. It would,
in my opinion, help the States no end if the Bureau of Employment
Security in Washington organized its activities in the same way.
Mr. Powell spoke of the function of the Bureau of Employment
Security of acting as a clearing house for States on unemploymentcompensation and employment-service matters. You cannot imagine,
Mr. Powell, how much we in Illinois wish that the Bureau could act
just in that capacity. Frankly, up to now I do not believe the
Bureau has adequately performed that function. Many is the time
we have asked for information as to what the other States were doing
on a given problem, and we have not been able to get very much help.
Not getting help, we would have liked to have traveled ourselves to
the other States to find out what they were doing. Thumbs were
turned down on these requests for travel authorization,* and it was
pointed out that the costs would be tremendous if every State were
permitted to travel for such purposes. We recognize your problem,
and we hope you will be able to provide us with the service that we
really need in order to carry on in the States.
Mr. Powell has covered very well the problems of the Bureau of
Employment Security. We know it has been operating on a pretty
slim budget and that it has not been able to send its experts out in
the field to learn what the operating problems are. It is my opinion
that until the experts in Washington get out in the field and work
with the States, they will be in no position to advise us on operating
and procedural problems.
With regard to organization—and this matter is even nearer and
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ered here than is the matter of the internal organization of the
Board—Mr. Powell has mentioned the fact that since the President’s
Executive Order reorganizing certain branches of the Federal Gov­
ernment, the United States Employment Service has been moved
over into the Social Security Board. The words Mr. Powell used to
describe the reorganization were that the United States Employment
Service and the Bureau of Unemployment Compensation had been
consolidated, and that they are now both operating on an equal plane.
Then he went on to say that there has been considerable disinclination
on the part of the States similarly to amalgamate their operations
on the State level.
We in Illinois take a very different view of the situation. We
started out as two separate agencies—an unemployment-compen­
sation division and a State employment service. In those days our
State employment-service officials and the regional representatives
of the United States Employment Service in our area were just as
vehement as any employment-service officials in the country in ex­
pressing their desire for a complete separation of the benefit and
placement functions for fear that the placement function would get
lost if the separation were not maintained. It was because Mr.
Durkin took a very vigorous stand on the matter that we were able
to integrate—not consolidate nor coordinate—but integrate the two
functions in Illinois. We do not have two agencies in Illinois any
more. We have only one agency, a division of placement and un­
employment compensation. We do not have two contending groups,
each fearing that its function will be absorbed by the other. We do
not have any walls erected between our personnel based on employ­
ment-service and unemployment-compensation labels, and we are op­
erating on a very economical basis as far as our budgets are con­
cerned. We have established joint staff services for the entire divi­
sion. We have set up a single local office operations section to handle
all local office activities, and, believe it or not, the very employmentservice officials who feared integration most are now its most enthusi­
astic supporters because they have found from their experience that it
helps them in making placements. The placement function is materially
benefitted by a close tie-up with unemployment-compensation activ­
ities. We feel very definitely that we have evolved something good
in Illinois, and we would like the other States to examine it.
On the other hand, we are rather critical of the organization on
the Federal level. We feel that there will be a disinclination on the
part of the States to integrate benefit and placement activities so
long as the Federal Government maintains a coordinate type of
organization.
Here, Mr. Powell says, we have two programs, unemployment
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pensation Division is on this end; the Employment Service Division
is out here (indicating). I am very much afraid—and I hope that
our fears will be groundless—that the expression “hanging out on a
limb” may be of particular significance with respect to this type of
organization.
In this Bureau organization there is a joint field service. That
is fine. The States want only one agency to deal with; they want
only one regional representative. But, of course, that joint field
service cannot operate effectively if there is going to be maintained
within it any semblance of this employment service and unemploy­
ment compensation break-down, based on the two coordinate divisions
idea.
Let us suppose there is in the regional office a former employmentservice individual and a former unemployment-compensation man,
both assisting the States with the program, and suppose one differs
with the other on a matter of policy. Where is the matter going to
be settled? W ill it go to Washington to let the contending groups
fight it out, or will the regional representative, regardless of his for­
mer affiliation, be permitted to settle the matter ?
Mr. Powell mentioned that the budget procedure is being over­
hauled. Under the revised procedure will the Employment Service
and Unemployment Compensation Divisions, each with separate
staffs, be given a separate “ crack” at the budget before it is approved ?
I f so, how rapidly can the budgets be reviewed and sent back to
the States? Why cannot the Bureau be organized on the basis of
joint staff services for budgets, for research, for standards of opera­
tion, for procedures, etc? Why cannot joint staff services be estab­
lished without regard to whether or not the personnel were former
unemployment-compensation or employment-service people ? Why
should not the Bureau have one joint operating section with which to
contact the States, just as we have three operating sections in Illinois
because we have three functions to perform ?
These ideas are all tossed out in the form of recommendations or
suggestions, perhaps not with the due humility that should come from
a State that has only begun to pay benefits. We feel, however, that
we are doing the thing that most people said could not be done. We
have integrated the two services. I have here a copy of our organi­
zation chart. I f any of you care to see it, I will leave it here for
your examination.
I should like to say a few words with respect to the type of depart­
ment that should administer the unemployment-compensation and
employment-service functions. Mr. Powell’s report indicated that
there had been certain progress made during the legislative sessions
of the past year in the unemployment-compensation and employmentservice field. He mentioned certain amendments to the Federal act.




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However, on the State level, while there has been considerable prog­
ress in some States, there has been considerable retrogression in other
States. That retrogression is what worries us. There is every rea­
son to fear a general deterioration of the unemployment-compensation
program in certain States which are intent on reducing employers’
taxes, and through interstate competition, a leveling down of the
unemployment-compensation program all over the country. For ex­
ample, four States have done two things simultaneously in the way
of amendments last year: they have considerably deliberalized the
benefit structure of their State law, thereby reducing the amount of
benefits payable to workers, and at the same time they have made
it easier for employers to achieve reduced contribution rates through
so-called merit-rating schemes. What is the ultimate outcome of such
a policy? A constant pressure is exerted to cut benefits so that em­
ployers can further reduce their contributions. Eventually you do
not pay out any benefits and you do not collect any money, and then,
of course, you do not have an unemployment-compensation program.
Even if that ultimate is not reached, the unemployment-compensation
program is, nevertheless, weakened throughout the country, because
interstate competition will force the States with better programs to
reduce benefits and contributions in line with the actions of the less
socially minded States.
There has been another tendency manifest in State laws toward
imposing excessive penalties and punitive measures on workers for
very minor offenses. For example, there are a whole series of deci­
sions which indicate how very subtle is the line of distinction between
what constitutes voluntary leaving with good cause and what consti­
tutes voluntary leaving without good cause. Yet certain States have
gone so far in penalizing workers who have voluntarily left employ­
ment “without good cause,” that they completely wipe out all wage
credits, thereby denying compensation for an indefinite period. The
same excessive penalty is frequently applied to cases of alleged “ dis­
charge for misconduct.” Excessive penalties are also imposed on
workers by disqualifying them from benefit payments for long periods
of time and charging benefits against the workers’ accounts during
this period as though they had been paid.
Perhaps one way of halting such tendencies is for this Association
actively to press for administration of unemployment-compensation
and employment-service functions by labor departments. Presum­
ably, labor departments are set up to administer labor functions.
The placement and unemployment compensation program directly
and vitally affects employee-employer relationships. It directly af­
fects—perhaps more than any other single labor program—the well­
being of millions of workers in every State, and as such should be
administered by labor departments. The shaping of future legisla-




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tion and the day-to-day administration of the present laws should
be in the hands of individuals who sympathize with and understand
tfie purpose of the legislation.
In closing, may I repeat that any of the criticisms we have offered
with respect to the operations of the Bureau of Employment Security
in Washington are criticisms which were not meant in any derogatory
sense, but were presented in an honest and sincere effort to be helpful.
We have had nothing but the finest kind of personal relations with
the Bureau, in spite of the difficulties we have run into on technical
matters. We have a very high regard for the Bureau’s representa­
tive in our region, and we are, therefore, very happy to note the
Board’s policy of decentralizing authority in the regions. We feel
that we can work closely with him to the mutual advantage of Wash­
ington and ourselves.
I should like to take Mr. Powell up on his frank offer. He said
that if the Bureau of Employment Security in Washington cannot
provide some services for the States that are worth while, they ought
to recognize that fact and let the States run their own show. I
think we in the States ought to accept the challenge, if challenge it be.
We ought to do everything we possibly can to work with the Bureau.
But if we find that the Bureau cannot actually provide any services to
the States, if it does not serve as a clearing house so that each State
can obtain the benefit of the experience in the other States, then the
Bureau ought to say frankly to the States, “ O. K., boys, administra­
tively it’s your show. Do with it as you like.”
Mr. D i m o c k . May I ask Mr, Powell a question, and in doing so
bring out the words which he used in describing the combination
of functions which is being set up under the new bureau? I made
a note of it as he was talking. He used all of these words: consoli­
dation, amalgamation, integration, coordination, and combination.
I f words mean anything, there should be some important differences
between those words, and hence what I am asking is, which one of
these words, if any, has the greatest significance from the standpoint
of defining what your objective is? I f you will keep that in mind
just a moment, and let me point out also that in talking about those
aspects of the two services which are going to be unified—you men­
tioned research and statistics, personnel, finances, field operations, and
also said there should be unification of policy—the question which
arises in my mind, as a student of administration, is, “ Well, what is
left?”
Mr. P o w e l l . Some of those words were probably used very loosely.
I think perhaps clarification of some of the matters that Mr. Goldy
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We have felt so keenly the necessity for not submerging the place­
ment function that perhaps we may have gone not quite so far toward
an integration as we would otherwise have gone. We have put m t%
the office of the assistant director responsibility for the function of
setting standards on matters of general management that are of con­
cern to both employment service and unemployment compensation.
You must keep in mind, as Mr. Goldy pointed out, that integration
in all of the States has not been effected. Some States run entirely
separate outfits. Some have one degree, some another, of coordi­
nation, of integration. It is our feeling that there are technical
aspects to the work of unemployment compensation that are dissimi­
lar from the technical aspects of placement work. I think it would
be useless and probably extravagant to try to integrate the staffs
as to all matters. The divisions of employment service and unem­
ployment compensation, to which I referred, will concern themselves
largely with standards for those two aspects of the job. The fiscal
matters are all to be handled by the field division. There will be
no dual review of budgets by the divisions of unemployment com­
pensation and employment service. There will be a fiscal section.
Contacts with the State will be the concern of the field division. It
is hoped that most, if not all, matters can be handled by the regional
representative in the field. I f matters of policy come up regarding
the technical aspects of contributions, interpretations, benefit deci­
sions, and what not, on which the field staff does not feel sufficiently
informed to make a determination, the advice of the Division of
Unemployment Compensation will be asked. Likewise, on special
technical problems of placement, the advice of the employment serv­
ice division will be asked, and I expect that where services are
required or requested by the State in either field, arrangements will
be made by the field division for technicians from those two pro­
gram divisions to go into the field to work with the State people.
It is dangerous, I think, to try to epitomize or describe an admin­
istrative set-up by an adjective or a set of adjectives. There are
aspects of it that have been integrated—certainly research and statis­
tics, certainly the field service, certainly standards and procedures
for fiscal and management matters that concern both. I hope that
there will be a coordination through the field division and through the
office of the Director. Coordination, integration—what were the
others—amalgamation, unification? Yes, unification of the several
functions in one bureau, if that is unification. Amalgamation, yes,
or putting together. Perhaps all of these adjectives might apply
to some extent. I do not think I was very precise nor did I use the
words with great discrimination. I do not know whether I have
clarified or confused the issue.




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Mr. G o l d y . There is a question I should like to raise. What, if
anything, can the Social Security Board do under this new amend­
ment if the States should violate their merit systems in securing em­
ployees for the divisions ? Will you be in a position, when the amend­
ment goes into effect next year, to enforce whatever merit systems are
adopted by the States ?
Mr. P o w e l l . Yes, I think so, but I hope that it will never be
necessary to have to invoke the only penalty that the Board has for
violation.
Mr. G o l d y . Should there be a change of administration, I am
afraid you are extremely optimistic if you think you will get com­
pliance without using the “big stick.”
Unemploym ent Compensation
R ep o rt o f th e C om m ittee on U nem ploym ent C om pensation, b y G e o e g e
( United S tates Social S ecu rity B o a r d ), Chairman

E.

B

ig g e

In the year since the last report of your committee, the unemploy­
ment-compensation program has rapidly forged ahead. Benefits are
now being paid to unemployed workers in every one of the 48 States,
as well as in the District of Columbia, Alaska, and Hawaii. Those
States which began benefit payments since the last report have been
able to profit by the experience of the pioneers, and consequently
began with less of the confusion that necessarily attended the intro­
duction of such a widespread program.
Up to the end of June 1939, contributions to finance the payment
of benefits and interest earned on accumulated funds amounted to
1.75 billion dollars. Since January 1938, workers have received 625
million dollars in benefits; and the remainder, something over a bil­
lion dollars, is available for the payment of benefits in the future.
Approximately 4.5 million unemployed workers have received bene­
fits during the 18-month period since January 1938.
The following tables present in summary form the most important
facts for each of the States regarding the number of the persons
covered, contributions paid in, the benefits paid out, and also give
some indication of the administrative efficiency in this process. On
the whole, the general efficiency of operations in the States has shown
marked improvement over the past year—as was to have been ex­
pected. The time interval between the compensable week of unem­
ployment and issuance of the benefit payment was reduced from an
average of 4.5 weeks in June 1938 to an average of 2.2 weeks in
June of this year. It should be mentioned in connection with the
tables presented that these are but a crude measure of efficiency,
representing as they do a picture as of a specified date without allow-




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19 3 9

ances for any special conditions which may exist in a given State.
This is particularly true of the table showing initial claims, since these
vary tremendously from month to month and from State to State.
The last table indicates the variations in benefit-payment experi­
ence among the States over the period of the past 18 months. Those
States which began in 1938 faced a period of very extensive unem­
ployment; consequently, very heavy drains upon their fund. The
later experience of these States and the experience of States begin­
ning payments in 1939 reflect the somewhat better business condi­
tions that have prevailed in the country. While the experience of
the States has revealed, as one would expect, a number of important
difficulties in the program wdiich called for remedial action, the
operation of the system as a whole has indicated that it is on a
sound basis and has successfully weathered its first major tests.
Almost all of the State legislatures were in session during the
past year and considered modifications of the various State unem­
ployment-compensation acts. This represented the first real appraisal
by each of the States of its operating experience. One of the most
striking aspects of the legislative discussions was the emphasis
placed upon the need for simplification, although many of the
changes introduced went beyond mere simplification of procedures.
Among the more common changes that were made were the short­
ening of the base period; reduction in the waiting period; adjust­
ment of benefit-duration provisions; the introduction of fixed mini­
mum benefits; and a strengthening of the eligibility requirements
for benefits. These last two measures have gone far to eliminate
the payment of checks of very small amounts which last year was
mentioned as one of the serious difficulties.
During the year summarized by this report the railroad unem­
ployment compensation system, referred to in our last report, has
begun the payment of benefits. Arrangements have been made for
transferring funds from the various State agencies to the Railroad
Retirement Board, and eligible workers are now being paid benefits
by that Board. It is as yet too early to say what effect, if any, this
change will have on the operations of the various State agencies.
Several issues have focused discussion upon the problem of the
relationship between unemployment compensation and relief. From
the extensive discussions of the Senate Committee on Unemployment
and Relief, from the debates during the session of Congress before
both House and Senate committees, and from the debates in many
State legislatures, it has become evident that the only systematic
long-range approach to the unemployment problem which we have
on the statute books today is the Federal-State system of unem­
ployment compensation provided for in the Social Security Act. The




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87

purpose of unemployment compensation is to provide some minimum
protection when those persons who are ordinarily employed become
unemployed. It is not relief nor is it intended to meet all unemploy­
ment under all conditions. The primary objective of unemployment
compensation is to provide benefits to persons who become unem­
ployed in normal times due to ordinary changes in business conditions
and to provide a first line of defense during a period of unusual
unemployment and severe business depression.
The first steps towards reformulating the relationship between
unemployment compensation and relief have been taken during the
past year. These involve the wider establishment of substantial
minimum benefit amounts in order that the necessity for relief supple­
mentation may be reduced. They also include the establishment of
experimental and preliminary clearance arrangements between the
relief authorities and the unemployment-compensation agencies of
information concerning the receipt of unemployment compensation.
However, students of the problem have been impressed with the fact
that only a very small proportion of the workers receiving unem­
ployment benefits have been known to the relief agencies as applicants
for either relief or W P A employment. This, of course, is to be
expected. If, as suggested above, unemployment compensation is
intended primarily for those wmrkers who are, as a rule, more or less
regularly employed, it is evident that these workers will not have been
assisted by either relief or W PA. Only after a prolonged period of
unemployment and only after exhausting his “ first line of defense”
will such a worker be compelled to resort to such other means of
assistance. It begins to appear from actual experience that if bene­
fits are made reasonably adequate, unemployment compensation may
be able to carry a great portion of our workers through the periods
of their normal unemployment, so that an application for relief may
be either postponed or rendered unnecessary.
It has become increasingly clear that the dual functions of place­
ment and unemployment insurance can be performed most efficiently
by a unified administration of these functions at both the State and
Federal levels. Substantial progress in this direction has been made
in the States over the year and just recently a Bureau of Employment
Security has been established within the Social Security Board, in
accordance with the reorganization order of the President. In this
bureau will be centered the national leadership in the unified pro­
gram of finding available work for the unemployed and distributing
to them benefits to which they are entitled if jobs cannot be found.
The year has witnessed a significant but inconclusive discussion in
Congress of several of the underlying principles of unemployment
compensation. It is apparent from the tables included in this re­
port that substantial reserves have been accumulated by most of the




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19 3 9

States. As the chairman of the Social Security Board pointed out
to congressional committees, these reserves have not yet reached the
point that was originally visualized as necessary for the protection
of the system at the time of a severe and prolonged depression.
But even though the reserves may not be adequate for such an emer­
gency, their existence has given rise to two main lines of suggestions
for modifications of the program. From a number of directions have
come suggestions for liberalizing the benefit formula in order that
more adequate benefits may be paid to eligible unemployed workers
for a longer period of time. But the State legislatures, on the
whole, apparently still uncertain of the issues involved and unwilling
to assume that the experience of the first year of benefit payments
was sufficiently typical to warrant major changes in the financial
provisions of the acts, refrained during their past sessions from any
significant liberalization. The coverage of the laws has remained
practically unchanged. There has been no general trend toward in­
crease in the maximum duration of benefits, although eight States
now allow all eligible claimants a uniform duration of benefits.
Also, the waiting period has been substantially reduced in most
States, which will enable the majority of claimants to draw some­
what more in benefits than formerly. Other aspects of the benefit
formula have not been significantly liberalized and in a number of
States disqualifications have been made more severe.
On the other hand, a number of proposals for reducing the con­
tributions paid by employers have been made in Congress. These
have turned on the alternative devices of providing for a uniform
reduction in taxes to all employers in the States which have accumu­
lated a certain reserve, or a more rapid introduction of the plan of
experience rating providing reduction in rates for those employers
whose employment record is favorable.
Any reduction in contributions of the first type to be of value to
the employer would require amendment of the Social Security Act.
The second type of reduction is permissible under the act as now
written, except that it cannot be put into effect under the provisions
o f most State laws until benefits have been paid for 3 years. It was
suggested, therefore, that the Social Security Act be amended to
permit reduction of either type and allow employers the full 90
percent offset againfet the Federal tax. However, it was pointed out
in connection with the discussion that if a reasonable Federal-State
system of unemployment compensation is to be maintained the basic
contribution rate should not be reduced directly or indirectly, except
on condition that certain maximum eligibility provisions and mini­
mum benefit standards be established. Otherwise, the equaliz­
ing effect of the title I X tax would be entirely removed. An




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amendment to accomplish the double purpose of maintaining rea­
sonable standards and allowing reduction of contributions was passed
by the House of Representatives but was not accepted by the Senate.
It is true that reserves are mounting rapidly in several of the
States, and even with considerable liberalization of benefits it may
be desirable to permit some adjustment of the contribution rate in
the light of actual experience. With more experience in the actual
payment of benefits, it will be easier to deal with this problem at a
later session of the Congress or of the State legislatures.
T

able

1.— N u m ber o f em p loyers and n um ber o f w ork ers under S ta te
u nem ploym en t-com p ensation system s as o f June 1939
[Prelim inary and subject to revision]

S iz e -o f-fir m
in c lu sio n

S ta te

T o ta l .

__

____ _

E s ti­
m a ted
num ber
of e m ­
p lo y e r s

E s ti­
m a ted
num ber
of
w o rk e rs

7 1 9 ,6 0 0

2 7 ,9 8 0 ,0 0 0

A l a b a m a ____________ 8 or m o r e ____
d o _____
A la s k a -. _
___
A r i z o n a ..................... .. 3 or m o r e .. .
1 or m o r e .. .
A r k a n s a s . . ...............
C a lifo r n ia ................... 4 or m o r e — .

4 ,4 0 0
500
3 ,1 0 0
1 4 ,9 0 0
5 1 ,0 0 0

325, 000
2 3 ,0 0 0
7 8 ,0 0 0
1 9 0 ,0 0 0
1, 7 0 0 ,0 0 0

8 or m o r e —
C o lo r a d o ___________
5 or m o r e .. .
C o n n e c t i c u t _______
1 or m o r e —
D e la w a r e ________ _
D i s t . o f C o l u m b i a . _ _ _ _ _ d o _ — __
8 or m o r e .. .
F lo r id a _____________

4, 300
8, 300
4 ,8 0 0
14, 900
4 ,4 0 0

2 0 0 ,0 0 0
4 8 5 ,0 0 0
6 5 ,0 0 0
1 8 0 ,0 0 0
2 5 5 ,0 0 0

. d o _____
1 or m o r e .. .
.d o .
8 or m o r e ...
d o _____

7, 200
3 ,9 0 0
8 ,0 0 0
2 7 ,3 0 0
9 ,0 0 0

4 0 0 ,0 0 0
1 1 9 ,0 0 0
1 1 0,00 0
1 ,6 2 0 ,0 0 0
8 3 8 ,0 0 0

I o w a _________________ _____ d o ...____
K ansas
__________ _ . . d o ______
K e n t u c k y .................. 4 or m o r e .. .
L o u is ia n a ________ _ . . . . d o ______
M a i n e ........................... 8 or m o r e —

6 ,7 0 0
6 ,2 0 0
7 ,4 0 0
1 2 ,0 0 0
2 ,9 0 0

3 2 0 ,0 0 0
2 4 5 ,0 0 0
3 8 0 ,0 0 0
4 2 5 ,0 0 0
1 9 0 ,0 0 0

M a r y l a n d ______ . _
4 or m o r e —
M a s s a c h u s e t t s ------- _____ d o______
M i c h i g a n _____ _____ 8 or m o r e .. .
M i n n e s o t a . _______ 1 or m o r e —
8 or m o r e .—
M i s s i s s i p p i ________

11, 000
35, 500
1 6 ,100
40, 600
3 ,0 0 0

4 7 5 ,0 0 0
1 ,4 5 0 ,0 0 0
1 ,3 0 0 ,0 0 0
5 2 5 ,0 0 0

G e o r g ia ________
._
H a w a i i .........................
I d a h o ________________
Illin o is ..........................
In d ia n a . _




State

M issouri________
M ontana.............. .
Nebraska________
N evada__________
N ew H am pshire..
N ew Jersey___ .
N ew M exico. __ ..
N ew York _ . . .
North C arolina...
North Dakota _
Ohio_____ ______
O k la h o m a ..____
Oregon_______ . . .
Pennsylvania . .
Rhode Isla n d ...
South Carolina. __
South D akota___
Tennessee................
Texas—__________
U tah______ _____
Vermont_________
Virginia....... ............
W ashington..........
W est Virginia____
W isconsin_______
W yom ing________

Esti­
E sti­
mated mated
Size-of-firm number
inclusion of em­ number
of
ployers workers

8or more—
1or m ore...
8or m ore...
1or m ore...

10,600
650,000
105,000
8,600
3,300
145,000
2,500
30,000
4 or m ore... 3,000
125,000
8or m ore... 14,800 1,000,000
4 or more.— 2,000
70,000
do
97,600 4,000, 000
8or m ore... 6,800
700,000
.. . d o ____ 1,100
42,000
3 or m ore... 44,400 1,720,000
8or m ore... 5,100 324,000
4 or m ore... 7,400
225, 000
1or m ore... 145,000 3,100,000
4 or m ore... 5,700
300,000
8or m ore... 3,500 292,000
45,000
____ do_____ 1,200
____ do_____ 4, 500
450, 000
____ do_____ 13,300
800,000
4 or m ore... 2,500
90,000
8or m ore... 1,100
70,000
450,000
-----do------- 5,800
_____ d o______
6.400
300,000
____ do.......... 3.300
350,000
7 or m ore... 7,900
500,000
1or m ore... 4,800
49,000

T

a b l e

2 .—

Status of State unemployment com pensation fu n d s as o f Jun e 30, 1939

CO

O

[D a t a r e p o r te d b y S ta te agencies 1 corrected to J u l y 17, 1939; a m o u n t s in t h o u s a n d s o f dollars]

State




January 1938___
January 1939___
January 1938___
January 1939___
January 1938___
January 1939___
January 1938___
January 1939___
. do__________
September 1938..
April 1938 __
July 1938 ____
January 1939___
do
__
January 1938___
do _______
do _______
July 1938 ______
January 1938___
April 1938______
January 1939___
____do__________
____ d o ...................
__do__________
December 1938. _
January 1938___
January 1939___

Benefits charged

Collec­
tions JanPercentuaryage
June
Total
change
collections
A m ount2 from Index3 and
Collections8 1939 8
M ay 31,
interest4
1939
$1,139,376

- 2 .1

135.4

956,695
9,514
842
2,248
6,135
127, 242
9,467
21, 743
4, 773
12,698
2,412
27, 262
12,051
11,629
21,970
2, 556
12,095
60,965
44,479
18, 224
3, 429
41,833
8,336
1,598
81,419
2,594
143,977
114,389

8- 2 .6

136.1 7 1, 500, 420 1, 465,913
107.6
19,884
19, 488
95.1
1,067
1,045
111.6
4,988
4,898
115.6
6,970
7,135
189.4
166,916
171, 216
105.8
11, 291
11,626
142.1
36, 291
37,052
121.9
5,171
5, 054
128.6
13,171
13,473
80.2
4, 463
4, 581
100.6
49, 965
48,675
120.9
18, 327
17,893
114.2
12,825
13,148
24, 292
24,974
116.0
9,041
68.0
8,901
133.5
25, 588
25,163
145.9
95,850
98,193
70.3
98,849
100,938
30,994
31, 618
152.8
117.6
5,726
5,586
43, 511
44,498
122.9
117. 7
8, 993
9,198
2,020
1,973
104.6
122.1
90, 243
87,862
3,240
3,150
105.5
270, 402
276,491
146.4
123, 242
126,875
116.9

-2 .8
- 3 .2
-4 .4
- 2 .2
-2 .1
- 3 .6
- 1 .4
- .5
- .9
- 3 .7
-.8
- 2 .9
-1 .0
-1 .8
-8 .9
- 2 .4
- 2 .4
- 6 .0
- 1 .9
- 2 .2
- .5
- .4
-4 .0
-.7
-2 .7
-6 .0

- 1 .7

7 $ 1 , 764,444

Percentage of—

i
June 1939
Total
Cumu­
lative January1939 bene­ tobenefits
cumu­
total
Percent­ fits to
June
lative
through 1939
age
1939 con­ collections
6
June 30,
Am ount change tributions and
1939 8
from
interest
M ay

$1, 723,194 $367, 527 $625, 068 $229,135
316,151 543, 725
4, 250
10, 370
172
225
1,124
2,740
1, 756
1,000
38, 422
43,974
2, 565
2,159
8,294
15, 309
1, 202
398
3,462
775
972
2,169
22, 703
10, 495
4,160
6,276
2,831
1, 519
5, 782
3,004
2,022
6,485
6,047
13,493
18,660
37, 228
22,817
56,459
7,127
13, 394
924
2, 297
9,986
2,665
862
2,023
422
472
8,824
22,656
727
646
48, 404 132, 514
12,486
27,668

204, 716
2, 242
225
838
1,000
20, 259
2,159
3, 055
398
775
1,802
6,395
3,690
1, 519
3,004
1,950
3, 349
10,129
16, 556
5,233
882
2,665
862
422
8,824
637
45,183
12, 486

$43, 566

+10.2

62.3

35.4

39, 468
362
35
127
193
3, 778
454
487
62
220
116
919
448
197
575
275
529
2,009
3,174
501
107
539
85
82
1, 449
92
10, 499
2,961

+10.6
-1 7 .4
-5 0 .7
-9 .3
-1 0 .6
+15.3
+ 4.4
+ 7.5
+10.7
+27.2
-4 4 .5
+16.5
+20.1
-1 6 .9
-2 6 .3
-1 4 .6
- 8 .2
+26.7
+39.8
-2 5 .9
- 3 .6
+ 5.7
-2 7 .4
-1 5 .5

64.8
52.8
130.8
74."6
56.9
52.7
84.2
36.8
33.1
22.4
185.4
60.9
88.7
53.7
52.0
96.4
55.4
54.3
72.6
73.4
95.5
26.7
42.6
89.4
38.9
87.6
93.3
45.1

36.2
52.2
54.9
14.0
25.7
18.6
41.3
7.7
5.8
47.3
45.4
34.2

1.8

+ 1 .1

+39.4
+ 7.6

21.1

11.6
12.0

71.7
52.7
37.9
55.9
42.4
40.1
6.0
9.4
20.9
9.8
1 9 .9
4 7 .9
9 .8

19 39

Total, all States_____________
States collecting quarterly,
t o t a l- ..________ _____ ____
Alabama 9___________ _ .
Alaska___________________
A rizon a................. ................
Arkansas________________
California 9 __________
Colorado _____________
Connecticut_____________
Delaware_____________ __
F lorid a_________________
Idaho.__________________
Indiana _____________
Iowa ____ ___________
K a n sa s_________________
K entucky 9 ______ _____
M aine. _______________
Maryland ______________
M assachusetts9 _______
Michigan ___ __________
M innesota. ___________
M ississippi10______ _____
M issouri._____ _________
Nebraska_________ ______
Nevada _________________
N ew Jersey 9____________
N ew M exico........................
N ew York 10_____________
Ohio_______________ _____

M onth and year
benefits first
payable

Cumulative collections
and interest credited as
of June 30,1939

LABOR LAWS AND THEIR ADMINISTRATION,

Total funds available for
benefits as of June 30, 1939

229660'

12,950
78,952
7,655
2, 292
10, 781
2, 615
13,924
19, 259
2,376

-1 .7
-6.6
-6 .6
- .7
-3.5
-3.8
-2.9
-1.3
-3.8

102.4
111.9
96.4
115.9
138.6
102.1
166.4
102.0
99.0

15, 770
182, 393
19, 769
2, 582
19, 305
6, 033
22, 204
22, 902
3,135

15, 294
178, 925
19,419
2, 507
18,920
5,972
21, 725
22, 340
3,063

2, 340
39, 331
3,425
578
4,465
1, 351
5,159
3, 776
705

182,681
13,631
18, 708
4,039
14,462
4, 814
14,169
2,031
6,644
9,095
38,986
2,467
9,840
43, 742

+3.0
+4.0
+3.0
+.8
+2.2
- .6
+3.9
+3.1
+4.1
+2. 7
+3.8
+4.1
+1.2
+2.7

153.9
231.3
120.7
124.3
189.0
113.4
150. 5
109.7
113.5
145.1
197.4
174.7
95.5
144.4

284,024
16,159
20,207
4,127
21, 995
8, 418
25,105
2,457
15, 294
10, 877
54,221
3,652
24,241
57, 271

257, 281
15, 711
19, 757
4,033
21,501
8,219
24,614
2, 401
15,000
10, 570
52,898
3, 573
23, 885
55,118

51,376
3, 558
4, 505
833
5,025
1, 283
5, 544
535
3,223
2, 318
11, 663
763
4,855
7, 257

2, 820
2, 749
103, 441 31,895
12,113
2,820
290
290
8, 525 • 2,381
3,468
1,005
2, 644
8, 280
3,633
3, 633
759
759

331
6,488
651
32
488
126
525
435
117

-13.1
-10.0
+13.6
-22.0
+26.4
—19.2
+9.6
-24.5
-7 .9

117.5
81.1
82.3
50.2
53.3
74. 5
51.3
96.2
107.7

17.9
56.7
61.3
11.2
44.2
57.0
37.3
15.9
24.2

24,419
853
1, 499
88
3,528
872
2, 720
376
2,733
1,187
5,891
363
2,335
1,975

4,098
104
321
23
559
196
462
45
306
189
915
42
676
260

+6.5
-7. 1
-3 .6
+21.1
-12.8
+24.1
+9.2
-43.8
-3.5
-7 .8
-5 .4
-26.3
+141.4
+1.6

47.5
24.0
33.3
10.6
70.2
68.0
49.1
70.3
84.7
51.2
50.5
47.6
48.0
27.2

30.8
15.6
7.4
2.1
34.2
42.8
43.6
15.3
56.6
16.4
28.1
32.4
59.4
23.6

81,343
2,525
1, 499
88
7, 533
3, 604
10,936
376
8,650
1,782
15,235
1,185
14,401
13, 529

SOCIAL SECURITY

Oklahoma_____________ December 1938..1
Pennsylvania . _................. January 1938___
Rhode Island 9_________ _ do
...
South Dakota__________ January 1939___
Tennessee_____________ January 1938___
Utah _________________
do
_.
Virginia . ______ ______
do . _
Washington io_ _______ January 1939___
Wyoming_____________
collecting monthly,
o States
total__ ____ _____________
District of Columbia____ January 1938___
Georgia_______________ January 1939___
Hawaii. ___________ ___
do _
Louisiana 9_______ _____ January 1938___
New Hampshire n______ ____do____
North Carolina_________ ..d o ..
North Dakota__________ January 1939___
Oregon________________ January 1938___
South Carolina________ July 1938. . . _
Texas_________________ January 1938___
Vermont______________ ____d o ................
West Virginia__________ ____d o .............
Wisconsin________ ____ July 1936______

1 Except interest earned on funds in State accounts in unemployment trust fund which is credited and reported by the U. S. Treasury in last month of each quarter.
2 Represents sum of balances at end of month in State clearing account, benefit-payment account, and unemployment trust fund account maintained in the U. S. Treasury.
3 For all States except Wisconsin, index is based upon funds available for benefits as of end of month prior to that in which benefits were first payable; Wisconsin index is based on
funds available as of Dec. 31, 1937.
4 Includes refund of $40,561,886 by Federal Government to 13 States, Alaska, and Hawaii, collected on pay rolls for year 1936 under title IX of the Social Security Act.
6
Includes contributions plus penalties and interest collected from employers since contributions were first payable. Figures are adjusted for refunds of contributions and for dis­
honored contribution checks. Employer contributions of 2.7 percent are collected in all States except the District of Columbia, Michigan, and New York. In these States, the rate is
3 percent.
6 Adjusted for voided benefit checks.
7 Does not include collections and interest of $154,175,000 for Illinois and $6,224,000 for Montana, because benefits not payable until July 1939.
s Percentage change excludes those States changing from a monthly to a quarterly collection basis as of the pay-roll month of April 1939.
9 Employee contributions of 1 percent are collected in Alabama, California, Kentucky, and New Jersey; of 0.5 percent in Louisiana; and of 1.5 percent in Rhode Island. Employee
contributions in Massachusetts have been suspended for July 1, 1938-June 30, 1939.
10 Mississippi, New York, and Washington changed to a quarterly collection basis as of Apr. 1, 1939.
11 New Hampshire will make quarterly collections as of July 1, 1939, although some contributions have already been made on that basis from selected employers.




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LABOR LAWS AND TH ElR ADMINISTRATION, 19 3 9
3.— U n e m p lo y m e n t c o m p e n s a t io n : C la im s f o r b e n e fits b y S t a t e s , w e e k
e n d ed J u ly 1, 1939
[Data reported by State agencies corrected to July 7, 1939]
I n i t i a l c la im s

State

Pend­
ing dis­
position
begin­
ning of
week

Received during
week 1
Per­
centage
Num­ change
ber
from
previous
week
190,945 +26.9
2,124 +61.4
1,678 -40.6
9,069 -12.7
273 -17.8
3,456 +10.4
201 -7 .8
27,626 +13.9
228 -3 .8
*32,400
8,091 +23.8
+109. 3
375
+ .3
1,528 -6 .1
6,605 +78.9
2,065 -9 .0
1, 342 -14.8
1,437 -25.0
31,925 +106. 2
4,643 -12.6
6,108
5,408 -1 .0
1,328 -10.3
1,619 -9 .6
3,061 +9.7
2,650 +5.5
784 -13.0
* 1,548 -5 .6
2,629 +27.1
1,009 -33.9
1,081 -19.5
568 -5 .2
77 -30.0
114 -8 .1
770 +1.4
907 +5.1
2,681 -12.4
1,251 -1 .7
2,384 -6 .0
388 -27.1
4,440 -7 .8
451 +26.0
874 -7 .0
190
- .5
1,915 +148.1
303 -2 .6
8,916 +18.5
122
+ .8
909 -5 .5
1,097 -5 .9
29 -14.7
268 +67.5

Disposed of dur­ Pending end of
ing week
week
Ratio to
Num­ Ratio to Num­ average
weekly
ber receipts 2 ber disposi­
tions 3

Total for States reporting _ _______ 203,088
151,213
0.8 236,712
1.6
Region I:
Connecticut_____ _____________
918
1,850
.9 1,192
.6
Maine_________________________
845
1, 571
952
.9
.4
Massachusetts__________ _______ 20, 247
10,678
1.2 18,638
1.4
N ew Hampshire_____ ________
55
322
1.2
6
0
642
Rhode Island__________________
3, 524
574
.2
1.0
Vermont________ _____________
53
189
.9
65
.2
Region II:
New York.......................................... 35, 280
32,164
1. 2 30,742*
1.3
Region III:
Delaware-........................... ................
28
222
34
.1
1.0
New Jersey____________________ 11,832
1,635
.2 18.288
3.4
Pennsylvania__________________ 36,406
21, 591
47,215
.7
3.0
Region IV:
District of Columbia____________ 1,153
129
5.0
.3 1,399
Maryland_____________________ 1,215
1,699
.6
1.1 1,044
North Carolina__________ ___ _ 2,249
5,793
.9 3,061
.6
Virginia______ _____ ________ _ 1,999
1,866
.9 2,198
1.0
West Virginia__________________
518
1, 362
498
.3
1.0
Region V:
Kentucky_____________________ 1,671
2,180
928
1.5
.5
Michigan___ ____ ______________ 23,932
6,552
.2 49,305
7.5
Ohio..................... _ ________ . 14,101
7, 707
1.6
1.7 11,037
Region VI:
Illinois 8__ ____________________
Indiana.. .............. . . . . ____ 1,219
4, 675
.9 1,952
6.3
Wisconsin 7____________________
916
1, 366
878
1.0
.6
Region VII:
Alabama__________ _ _________
67
1,660
26
1.0
0
Florida_______________ ______ 6, 583
3,029
2.1
1.0 6,615
Georgia_______________________ 2, 366
2, 391
.9 2, 625
.9
Mississippi____________________
382
930
1.2
236
.2
South Carolina________________
4,681
2, 505
1.6 3, 724
1.2
Tennessee _ . ___ ______________
114
2. 593
150
1.0
.1
Region VIII:
Iowa ________________________ 4,053
4, 253
809
4.2
.4
Minnesota.. ______ ____________
1,112
318
1.0
287
.2
Nebraska___________________
515
388
695
1.2
.7
North Dakota__________________
70
50
.9
57
.5
South Dakota. _____________ _
33
120
27
.2
1.1
Region IX:
368
791
Arkansas______________________
1.0
347
.3
Kansas_____ _________________
599
988
1.1
518
.6
Missouri______ ____ ___________ 2,561
2, 637
1.0 2, 605
.8
Oklahoma___ _________________ 1,163
1,538
1.2
876
.7
Region X:
Louisiana........................................
1,361
2,869
1.2
.4
876
536
New Mexico_________ _________
866
2.2
58
.1
Texas........... ............................ ......... 9,780
4,205
.9 10,015
2.0
Region XI:
244
Arizona______________________
531
1.2
164
.4
Colorado______________________ 1,139
949
1.1 1,064
.9
32
173
Idaho. ______ __________________
.9
49
.2
Montana 8_____________________
Utah....................................................
567
227
.1 2,255
3.4
Wyoming________ _____ ________
114
136
325
1.1
.3
Region XII:
8,704
California........................................... 5,748
5,960
.7
1.0
124
Nevada.__ ____________________
25
23
.2
1.0
O regon..______ ____ ____ ____
2, 567
1, 251
1.4 2,225
1.9
1,274
Washington.................................. . 1,539
1.2 1,362
.8
Territories:
Alaska........... ................. ........... .......
9
30
1.0
8
.1
349
Hawaii___________ ___________
273
1.3
192
1.6
1 Includes reopened claims.
2 These ratios indicate whether dispositions were greater or fewer than receipts. A ratio in excess of 1.0
indicates that dispositions were greater than receipts and hence some reduction in backlog was effected.
3 These ratios indicate the approximate number of weeks of work represented by the volume of claims
pending. The average used is based on the preceding 4 weeks unless otherwise noted.
*8Excludes
reopened claims.
Claims first taken July 1, 1939.
«Average based on dispositions of preceding 3 weeks.
7 Report based on local office receipts; excludes claims for partial unemployment.




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SOCIAL SECURITY

T able 3.— U n e m p lo y m e n t

c o m p e n s a t io n : C la im s f o r b e n e fits b y S ta te s , w e e k
e n d ed J u ly 1, 1939 — Continued

[Data reported by State agencies, corrected to July 7, 1939]
C o n tin u e d c la im s

State

Total for States reporting_________ _
Region I:
Connecticut___________________
Maine_________________________
Massachusetts................................
New Hampshire. .............................
Rhode Island.....................................
Vermont_______ ____ ___ _______
Region II:
New York____ ________________
Region III:
Delaware. _______ _____________
New Jersey____________ ________
Pennsylvania__________________
Region IV:
District of Columbia________ ...
Maryland_____________________
North Carolina_______________ .
Virginia_______________________
West Virginia..________________
Region V:
Kentucky.____ ________________
Michigan______________________
Ohio.._______ ________________
Region VI:
Illinois *_______________________
Indiana_______________________
Wisconsin 7____________________
Region VII:
Alabama.. _____________________
Florida___ ____________________
Georgia_______________________
Mississippi_____________ ______
South Carolina_________________
Tennessee___ ___________ ... .
Region VIII:
Iowa_____ ____________________
Minnesota.........................................
Nebraska__________ ____ _______
North Dakota__________________
South Dakota...................................
Region IX:
Arkansas....... .................................
Kansas________________________
Missouri_________ ____ ________
Oklahoma__________ __________
Region X:
Louisiana______________________
New Mexico ______________ _
T ex a s.________ _ ____________
Region XI:
Arizona___________________ ____
Colorado._______ ______________
Idaho_________________________
Montana8 . _________________
Utah_____________ ____ ____ _
Wyoming........................................
Region XII:
California..._________________ .
Nevada_______________________
Oregon__________________ ___
Washington___________________
Territories:
Alaska___________ __________ _
Hawaii............................... .......... .

Received during Disposed of dur­ Pending end of
week
ing week
week
Pending dis­
position
Per­
Ratio to
begin­
centage
ning of Num­ change Num­ Ratio to Num­ average
weekly
from
ber
ber receipts ber disposi­
week
previous
tions
week
409, 058 936, 077

-1 .4 987, 548

1.1 357,587

0.4

10, 264 10, 410
3, 385 8, 945
36,686 40,125
600 5, 695
0 15,069
349 1,089
28, 077 190, 245
0 1, 737
4,277 31, 650
78,899 115, 688
5, 594 3, 879
6. 628 20,127
1,878 33, 590
3, 956 15,102
7, 955 16, 367
2,512 15, 471
20, 786 55,125
26, 606 58, 226

+19.3 20.008
-17.3 10, 724
-9 .3 46, 294
+7.7 6, 095
-2 .6 15, 069
-18.7
1,048
+ .2 185, 296
+6.2 1, 737
-5 .7 29, 031
-8 .2 129, 713
-1 .6
6, 048
+5.3 19, 816
+7.3 33, 964
+5.1 15, 449
-6 .0 19, 683
- .7 15, 341
+10.9 53, 764
-4 .1 63,134

1.9
1.2
1.2
1.1
1.0
1.0
1.0
1.0
.9
1.1
1.6
1.0
1.0
1.0
1.2
1.0
1.0
1.1

666
1,606
30,517
200
0
390
33, 026
0
6, 896
64,874
3, 425
6,939
1, 504
3, 609
4,639
2,642
22,147
21, 698

.1
.1
.7
0
0
.2
.2
0
.2
.6
1.0
.4
.1
.2
.2
.2
.5
.3

0
3,115
5, 302
3. 422
3, 384
1, 182
46, 939
19, 958
1,106
4, 949
464
200
139
0
356
3, 794
1, 414
2,281
280
3, 210
448
2,308
302
811
7
54, 767
247
8, 430
1, 719
68
4

-6 .2
-20.4
+3.7
+2.2
+6.0
-6 .4
+ .6
+7.2
-8 .7
+1.7
+4.0
-7 .6
+5.0
+16.3
-6 .5
-6 .7
-4 .9
-1 .3
-3 .0
-7 .1
-4 .4
+8.9
-32.7
-7 .5
+1.6
+4.4
-6 .4
-26.9
-4 .0
+59.5
-2 .4

1.0
1.0
1.0
.9
1.2
1.1
1.7
1.1
1.1
1.0
1.0
1.0
1.0
1.0
.9
1.0
1.0
1.0
1.1
1.0
1.0
1.0
1.0
1.1
1.0
1.0
.9
1.0
1.1
1.0
1.0

o.
3, 227
5, 263
4, 594
316
962
37, 457
17, 357
57
4, 697
576
202
147
0
616
3,202
1, 314
1, 921
18
2,448
405
2,278
292
634
7
55, 383
321
8,143
919
51

0
.5
.4
.7
0
.2
3.5
.6
0
.4
.2
.2

17, 493
6,093
13, 298
8,867
13. 230
4, 079
12, 734
21, 373
8, 453
9, 785
2,264
977
888
7,843
4,335
13,166
7,024
15, 067
2,268
15, 633
2,393
9,671
1,264
2,786
2,171
75, 501
1, 442
7, 708
8, 521
488
722

17. 493
5, 981
13, 337
7, 695
16, 298
4, 299
22, 216
23, 974
9, 502
10, 037
2,152
975
880
7, 843
4,075
13, 758
7,124
15, 427
2, 530
16, 395
2,436
9, 701
1, 274
2,963
2,171
74, 885
1, 368
7,995
9,321
505
724

8 Claims first taken July 1, 1939.
7Based on local office receipts; excludes claims for partial unemployment.




2

.2

0
.1

.2
.2

.1
0
.1
.2
.3
.2
.2

0

.7

.2

.8
.1
.1
0

94

LABOR LAW S AND THEIR ADMINISTRATION, 19 3 9

T able

4.— U n e m p lo y m e n t c o m p e n s a t io n : N u m b e r o f c la im s an d n u m b e r a n d
a m o u n t o f b e n e fit p a y m e n ts , b y S ta t e s , iv e e k e n d e d J u ly 1, 19S9

[Data reported by State agencies, corrected to July 7, 1939]
Cumulative totals since Jan. 1, 1939
State

Cumulative totals since benefits
first payable

Inii ial Continued Number of Amount of Date first Number of Amou nt of
claims claims payments payments payable payments payments

Total for States reporting_______ . 5,019,516
Region I:
Connecticut— ... 80,042
78.966
Maine. _ ____ _
Massachusetts___ 252,644
New Hampshire, _ 19, 759
Rhode Island___ 109,009
11,916
Vermont_______
Region II:
New York_____ 902,442
Region III:
14,954
Delaware______New Jersey__ __ 225, 803
Pennsylvania____ 557,116
Region IV:
District of Colum12,706
bia
Maryland _ __ 54' 456
North Carolina__ 159, 755
70,034
Virginia
West Virginia____ 96,137
Region V:
Kentucky____ _ 88,802
Michigan_______ 200,947
Ohio___________ 298,166
Region VI:
Illinois 1 __ __ _ _ 6,108
74,170
Indiana_____
Wisconsin. _ ... 249, 224
Region VII:
Alabama________ 62,520
64,131
Florida____ _
83,856
Georgia
Mississippi__ ... 34, 337
South Carolina__ 63,069
Tennessee.. . .._ 66,324
Region VIII:
Iowa.. _ _____ _ 62,714
M innesota_____ 72,652
Nebraska. _. . ... 36, 909
North Dakota. ._ 9, 338
7, 756
South Dakota___
Region IX :
47,818
Arkansas
Kansas ________ 53,136
Missouri ___ _ 123, 990
Oklahoma. . . ._ 53,986
Region X:
Louisiana... _ ... 69, 944
New Mexico_____ 20,795
Texas3... ______ 150,701
Region XI:
13, 725
Arizona
Colorado______ _ 52,753
19, 675
Idaho_____ _
M ontana1 _____
Utah____________ 29, 699
W yom ing______ 17, 523
Region XII:
California _____ 268, 259
8,017
Nevada. _____
Oregon__________ 44,862
W ashington_____ 108, 781
Territories:
5,218
Alaska
_____
Hawaii__________ 3,872

24,274, 542 22,005,217 $230,025,238

60,011,972 $624,277,102

309,038 313,873
338,193 263,012
999,588 973,511
109,328 106,655
317,001 317,001
56,187
39,598
2,960, 795 2,972,957
51,282
50,979
941, 291 922, 528
2,878,927 2,895, 251

3,054,186
1,955,628
9,960,941
878,916
2,853,150
363,198
45,836,496
397, 563
8,896,948
31,905,241

Jan. 1938. __ 1,529,365 15,313,088
do
846, 596 6,480,182
____do____ 3, 523, 503 37,043,673
____do____ 430,819 3,612,836
------do____ 1,372,355 12, 286, 579
____do____ 134,815 1,185,144
___do___ 10,381,968 133,167,135
Jan. 1939—
50,979
397, 563
do.
922,528 8,896,948
Jan. 1938. _. 9, 296,040 103,533,060

163,345 102,772
623; 955 406,689
806; 967 434,808
367, 733 358,020
285', 830 274,083
373,462 355,276
1,284,923 1, 259,870
1,357,634 1,320,443

861,506
3,368,083
2, 739,980
2,645,431
2,364,427
3,022,122
16, 566,348
12, 583, 573

654,857 654,498
2 198,028 228,836
363,379 336, 520
118,308 107,003
292,132 260,864
172,751 161, 779
367,517 236,000
654, 229 339,655
427,303 430,147
535,272 418,608
106, 413 101,471
41, 499
45, 685
33,711
31,637
175,149 158, 752
183,074 160,114
339, 562 326, 480
294,294 281,133
530,141 440, 752
70,319
66,309
813, 579 537,984
76, 514
75,818
221, 434 206,275
176,858 154, 249
113,010 102,320
83, 660
57,169
2, 202,937 2,066, 205
33,805
34,868
377,038 247,489
350,927 347,955
25,105
15,681
11,009
10, 884

6,412,400
2,049,366
2,260, 561
775, 207
1, 526, 658
884, 743
1,191,561
2,250, 291
3,686,731
5, 232, 844
868, 421
376, 653
289,670
1, Oil, 548
1, 554, 766
2, 680,813
2, 760,377
3, 541,825
642, 774
5,883,257
843,807
2,131,676
1, 736,673
1,009,922
761, 643
20, 291,847
422,036
2, 720, 254
3,652,058
225,618
95, 501

___do. _
___do
____do____
... do .
____do____
Jan. 1939. __
July 1938. __
Jan. 1939. _.
July 1939 .
Apr. 1938—
July 1936—
Jan. 1938...
Jan. 1939...
___do
Apr. 1938...
July 1938—
Jan. 1938—
July 1938...
Jan. 1938...
Jan. 1939...
___do_____
____do____
____do—_
... .do__ _
do.
Dec. 1938...
Jan. 1938...
Dec. 1938...
Jan. 1938. _.
. _ do___
Jan. 1939...
Sept. 1938..
July 1939...
Jan 1938—
Jan. 1939—
Jan. 1938—
Jan. 1939. __
Jan. 1938...
Jan. 1939.._
____do____
___do____

298,831
1, 565, 288
1, 550,393
1,117, 318
1, 530, 660
355,276
4, 220,309
1,320, 443

2,534, 714
13, 516,977
10,951,119
8,285,194
14,431,008
3,022,122
56,473,654
12, 583, 573

2,122,874
1, 516,420
1,499,847
107,003
260,864
402,006
348,923
1, 206, 670
710,501
887,008
101, 471
41, 499
31,637
158, 752
160,114
326, 480
287,864
994,930
67,326
1, 582,664
237,425
206, 275
188,397
321, 509
57,169
4, 550, 516
33,805
780,017
347,955
15, 681
10, 884

22, 720,962
11, 573, 725
10,391,376
775, 207
1,526 658
2,300, 780
1, 786, 755
8, 395,874
6, 243,032
13,432, 359
868, 421
376,653
289,670
1, Oil, 548
1,554, 766
2,680,813
2,831,608
7, 549,174
651,984
15,305, 829
2,749, 470
2,131,676
2,103,035
3,472,980
761,643
44,040,177
422,036
8,641,145
3, 652,058
225,618
95, 501

1 Claims first taken July 1, 1939.
2 Based on local office receipts; excludes claims for partial unemployment.
3 In the absence of central office data for one or more weeks of January, data were secured from weekly
figures as reported on Form UC-236, which is on a local office basis.




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SOCIAL SECURITY

Recent Developments in OlcUAge Assistance
R e p o r t o f C o m m itte e on

O ld -A g e A s s is ta n c e , by W . A.

P

at

M

u r p h y

( O k la h o m a D e p a r tm e n t o f L a b o r )

During recent months, legislative action in the United States Con­
gress and 45 State and Territorial legislatures has produced substantial
changes in old-age assistance programs. Some of these changes will,
probably, in the long run, prove of great importance in the develop­
ment of this type of public assistance.
Amendments to the Federal Act

On August 10, 1939, the President approved the bill known as
the “ Social Security Act Amendments of 1939.” This new legislation
altered in several respects the relationship of the Federal Government
to the State programs for old-age assistance, as well as the State pro­
grams for aid to the blind and aid to dependent children.
P erson nel S tandards

Perhaps the most significant and far-reaching amendment to the
Federal act was that relating to the establishing and maintenance of
personnel standards on a merit basis in State public assistance agencies
including those administering old-age assistance. It will be recalled
that the original Social Security Act of 1935, in enumerating the re­
quirements which a State must meet in order to secure approval of its
old-age assistance plan, had specified in section 2 (a) (5) that the
State plan must “ provide such methods of administration (other
than those relating to selection, tenure of office, and compensation
of personnel) as are found by the [Social Security] Board to be nec­
essary for the efficient operation of the plan.” Under this provision,
with its parenthetical limitation, Federal efforts to stimulate the
adoption of objective personnel standards in State old-age assistance
agencies were somewhat hampered. The Federal Board was limited in
any attempt it might make toward encouraging State agencies to em­
ploy a higher quality of personnel, and to resist political pressure
and activity within the ranks of such personnel. In spite of these
limitations, the efforts of the Board, during more than 3 years of
operation, did result in a notable increase in the numbers of merit
systems for the personnel of State agencies.
One of the recent amendments to the Federal act has changed section
2 (a) (5) to specify that a State plan for old-age assistance must “pro­
vide such methods of administration (including after January 1, 1940,
methods relating to the establishment and maintenance of personnel
standards on a merit basis, except that the Board shall exercise no




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authority with respect to the selection, tenure of office, and compensa­
tion of any individual employed in accordance with such methods) as
are found by the Board to be necessary for the proper and efficient
operation of the plan.”
It is almost axiomatic that the degree to which State public assist­
ance programs attain their purposes depends largely upon the knowl­
edge and skill of the personnel employed in the State and local
agencies responsible for the administration of these activities. It is
recognized, of course, that in many States it will not be possible to
have a full-fledged and completely satisfactory merit system in opera­
tion by January 1, 1940, the date mentioned in the amendment, and
that, if such a system is to be successful in the long run, it must meet
the needs o f and be adapted to the specific conditions existing in
each State. The process of developing merit systems, therefore, will
involve, in some States, intensive work in the State agencies over a
period of many months. It will also be necessary to bring about
appropriate improvements in the personnel practices of some States
which already have State civil service or departmental merit systems,
in order to bring these systems into line with modern personnel
administration.
U

se of

O ld- A

ge

A

s s is t a n c e

R ecords

Another amendment to the Federal act, effective July 1, 1941,
requires that State old-age assistance plans shall provide safeguards
which restrict the use or disclosure of information concerning appli­
cants and recipients to purposes directly connected with the admin­
istration of old-age assistance. This provision will assure needy per­
sons, for whose benefit the programs are being operated, that the
confidential information which they are required to furnish the
State and local agencies is to be protected. It will also tend to reduce
the solicitation and harassment of these individuals during political
campaigns.
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“ N eed”

in

R

e l a t io n

to

A

s s is t a n c e

The Federal act, as amended, also requires that, effective July 1,
1941, State plans for old-age assistance shall “provide that the State
agencies shall, in determining need, take into consideration any other
income and resources of an individual claiming old-age assistance.”
It will be recalled that, in the past, questions arose on several occasions
as to whether the Federal agency had authority to require that State
plans for old-age assistance provide assistance only for needy indi­
viduals. In several States a tendency has developed to exempt from
consideration certain amounts or types of income or resources in
determining whether an individual is eligible for aid. Because State




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funds available for public assistance have never been sufficient to
provide adequately for all individuals who might require some assist­
ance, this practice has resulted in certain inequities as between persons
who were completely destitute and those able to meet part of their
needs through their own resources. The amendment makes it clear
that, after July 1, 1941, an approved old-age assistance plan may
not permit any such arbitrary exemption.
The “ need” approach to old-age assistance has been further
strengthened in the amended definition of old-age assistance which be­
came effective on the date of the approval of the amendments, August
10, 1939. The word “needy” has been inserted so that the passage in
section 6 of the Federal act now reads “when used in this title the
term ‘old-age assistance5 means money payments to needy aged indi­
viduals.” It is thus evident that the intention of Congress is clearly
to provide that old-age assistance, within the meaning of the Federal
act, shall be granted on the basis of need, and not as a pension.
C o l l e c t io n s F

rom

E

s t a te s

The fiscal relationship, as between the Federal Government and the
State, in regard to the moneys collected by a State with respect to
old-age assistance previously granted, has likewise been altered by the
amendments. The original Federal act required that the State pay
to the United States one-half of the amounts so recovered, in order
to reimburse the Federal Government for its contribution to assis­
tance payments. As amended, effective January 1, 1940, the act
requires that such reimbursement to the Federal Government shall
be effected by means of adjustments when subsequent grants are
made to the State, instead of by cash repayment.
The amendment also permits the State to deduct from the total
collections the amounts paid out by the State for funeral expenses
for deceased recipients, and to calculate the Federal share on the
basis of the net remainder.
H

ig h e r

M

a x im u m

for

F ed e r a l C o n t r ib u t io n s

Under the amended act, the maximum amount of payment to
which the Federal Government can contribute has been increased from
$30 to $40 per month for each person aided. The equal matching
basis for Federal grants is retained. This means that, whereas the
Federal share formerly could be as much as $15 per month, provided
the State paid $30, beginning January 1, 1940, the Federal share
may be $20 per month if the State pays the recipient $40. It is
doubtful, however, that this permissive higher maximum for Federal
contributions will, at this time, make any substantial difference in




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the payments actually made to recipients by the great majority of
the States. Few States are at present able to pay over $30 a month
in any appreciable number of cases, and it appears unlikely that
any great increase in State resources will be available in the imme­
diate future. Statistics for the month of July 1939, show that during
that month only two States, California and Colorado, were paying
more on the average than $30 a month per individual. For the
same month, the Nation-wide average, for all 51 States and Terri­
tories, was $19.47 per individual.
Trends in State Legislation

With 45 State and Territorial legislatures in session during the
spring of 1939, many changes in State old-age assistance programs
were effected. Important changes in the organization of State agen­
cies were brought about in Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana,
Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon,
Texas, and Washington.
I nterstate A

greements

In Michigan, North Carolina, North Dakota, and South Dakota,
legislation was enacted authorizing the making of reciprocal agree­
ments with other States regarding the care and transportation of
nonresidents and transients.
P

ersonnel

In the field of personnel, civil-service laws were enacted in Alabama,
Hawaii, Minnesota, and Rhode Island, but the Arkansas civil-service
law was repealed. The statutory bases for departmental merit sys­
tems were strengthened in Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nebraska,
Oregon, Texas, and Vermont; and Illinois revised and extended its
merit system for county employees in down-State counties.

A ge
Three States—Missouri, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania—still
retain 70 years as the minimum age for the receipt of old-age assist­
ance. The Social Security Act requires that, after January 1, 1940,
the minimum age in approved old-age assistance plans shall be 65
years. To conform to this requirement, the recent session of the
Missouri legislature provided for a reduction to 65 years after Decem­
ber 31, 1939. The laws of New Hampshire and Pennsylvania had
already contained similar provisions.




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C it iz e n s h ip

Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, and West Virginia deleted citi­
zenship as a requirement for old-age assistance. As an alternative to
a citizenship requirement for old-age assistance, North Carolina
provided 10 years5residence in the United States plus a declaration of
intent to become a citizen; and North Dakota, 30 years’ residence in
the United States. In Iowa, the requirement of 25 years’ residence
in the United States as an alternative to citizenship was retained,
but the legislature deleted from it the requirement that an applicant
for old-age assistance shall have thought himself to be a citizen. In
contrast to these liberalizing changes, the 1939 legislatures in Maine
and Florida imposed a citizenship requirement for old-age assistance.
R e s id e n c e

During the recent sessions, changes relating to residence were made
in several States. West Virginia reduced its requirement for old-age
assistance to 1 year. North Carolina reduced its requirement to 2
years out of the preceding five years (and also by regulation con­
siders those persons eligible for old-age assistance who have lived in
the State for 5 of the last 9 years). In Utah, recipients of old-age
assistance who change county residence are now to remain charges
of the county of former residence for 9 months. Kansas raised its
requirements for old-age assistance from 1 year to 5 out of the last
9 years.
S tandards

of

N eed

Oklahoma now provides specifically that need is to be a condition
of eligibility for old-age assistance; and Oregon,, that old-age assist­
ance shall be granted on the basis of need.
Provisions requiring the consideration of all resources in deter­
mining need for old-age assistance have been enacted in Missouri,
Nebraska, South Dakota, Vermont, and Washington.
The Nebraska old-age assistance law now has a provision that the
amount of aid shall be determined on a budgetary basis; this replaces
its statutory provision that aid be determined on a $30-less-income
basis. Idaho now provides that sources of support, as well as the
individual’s income and resources, shall be taken into consideration
in determining eligibility for old-age assistance. An amendment
to the Wyoming old-age assistance law limits the consideration of
resources to the applicant’s net income in determining the amount
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M

a x im u m

G rants

Connecticut increased its maximum grant for old-age assistance
from $7 to $9 per week. In North Dakota the former old-age as­
sistance maximum of $30-less-income for old-age assistance has
been repealed, by an initiative measure, in favor of a minimum
of $40-less-income; however, lack of funds prevents observance
of the new standard. Wyoming has made permanent the former
temporary provision that old-age assistance grants would be
increased if and when the Federal act should be amended to provide
for greater Federal participation in old-age assistance grants. Ver­
mont reduced its maximum old-age assistance grant from $30 assist­
ance grant to $30 assistance plus income. Washington has replaced
its $30-less-income minimum old-age assistance grant with a maxi­
mum of $30 assistance and resources. Oklahoma repealed its
statutory provision for maximum old-age assistance grants, but the
$30 limitation remains in the constitution.
E

x e m p t io n s

Under the Iowa old-age assistance law, income now includes
gratuities from any source, although occasional gifts or personal
earnings up to $120 per year, rather than $100 as formerly, may
be exempted.
In Washington— although all resources are to be considered and
old-age assistance is to be granted on a budgetary basis—resources
are not to include the home, household goods, personal effects, or
foodstuffs produced by the applicant for himself and his family.
In Texas, the resident homestead and the financial ability of
relatives other than the spouse are exempted from consideration;
applicants may own $1,500 in personal property if married or $1,000
if single; and recipients may retain $1,000 in life insurance of which
the cash or accrued value is not regarded as a resource. But
possession of more than $360 in cash disqualifies an applicant for
assistance.
Effective January 1, 1940, Minnesota will raise its property limita­
tion for old-age assistance from $3,500 to $5,000; household goods,
furniture, wearing apparel, and burial lots will be exempt from
consideration. Applicants will be required to sell realty located
outside the State.
In Arizona, the value of household furniture has been exempted
from consideration in determining resources.




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ie n s

Florida has repealed its recovery and lien provisions. Kansas,
Louisiana, and Oregon have repealed their lien provisions but retain
their recovery provisions.
Washington now provides for recovery from the estates of recipi­
ents, although enforcement is discretionary with the State agency.
Minnesota and Nebraska have enacted lien provisions in addition to
their recovery provisions.
T

ran sfers

of

P roperty

Florida and Maine now apply to recipients as well as applicants
the prohibition against transfers of property for the purpose of
qualifying for old-age assistance. For aid to the aged, Maryland
increased from 2 to 3 years the period prior to application during
which no transfers of property may be made. On and after January
1, 1940, Minnesota will disqualify recipients of old-age assistance who
transfer property in order to defeat the lien provision. In Kansas,
transfers of property made with intent to prevent recovery from
estates of old-age-assistance recipients are voided.
O t h e r Q u a l if ic a t io n s

Utah and Michigan no longer disqualify persons who have com­
mitted a felony within a specified time. Michigan no longer dis­
qualifies applicants because of desertion. And Iowa and Michigan no
longer disqualify professional tramps and beggars.
I n s t it u t io n s

Louisiana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, and West Virginia enacted
legislation which will make it possible for residents of private insti­
tutions to be eligible for old-age assistance.
R

ecords

In view of the pending Federal amendment [now passed], which
concerns the confidential nature of old-age-assistance records, legis­
lation authorizing or strengthening the authority of the State agency
to safeguard the confidential character of its public-assistance records
has been enacted by Alabama, Idaho, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan,
Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, and Ver­
mont. Minnesota enacted a provision designed to authorize the
State agency to safeguard the confidential nature of records, but
another enactment authorized county welfare boards to publish all
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m endm ents

Maryland provided for the granting of assistance to those aged
most urgently in need, if funds should not be sufficient to permit a
grant to all who apply. Michigan authorized the State depart­
ment to determine the number of recipients of old-age assistance that
can be cared for adequately from available funds.
In Colorado, recipients of old-age assistance are declared eligible
for temporary assistance and surgical and medical care for the pre­
vention of blindness or the restoration of sight. Provision is also
made in Colorado for paying funeral expenses not exceeding $100
if the estate of a deceased recipient of old-age assistance is insufficient
and responsible relatives are unable to meet such expenses. In
North Dakota, recipients of old-age assistance have been declared
eligible to receive sight-conservation services. In Oregon, medical
and surgical care may be granted in addition to the maximum grant
of $80 in the care of recipients of old-age assistance and aid to the
blind.




Adjustment of Industrial Disputes

Some Aspects of the Work of the National Labor Relations Board
By

E d w in

A.

E lliott ,

N ational L a b or R ela tion s B oard

The National Labor Relations Act and the work of the National
Labor Relations Board, the agency which administers the act, are
greatly misunderstood, and because of this misunderstanding they
have been misinterpreted, maligned, and opposed.
Opponents of the National Labor Relations Board seldom pause
to look at the record. They do not know the law from which it
derives its powers, and they do not know the background of this
law. They furthermore do not know in any detail what the Board
has done. A report of the Board, issued on the third anniversary
of the signing of the bill and covering the first 32 months of oper­
ation, shows that it has been extraordinarily successful. It has been
almost uniformly sustained by the courts, and this in part accounts for
its success.
O f the cases coming before it, 55 percent, covering 1,247,878 per­
sons, were settled amicably by agreement. Sixteen percent were dis­
missed and 24 percent withdrawn. This left only 5 percent that
had to go to formal hearing and eventual court review. In only
2 percent of the cases was the Board’s power exercised in the issu­
ance of “ cease and desist” orders against employers. O f the strike
cases coming before the Board, 76 percent were settled. Five hun­
dred and eighty strikes, involving 149,948 workers, were averted.
The Board held 1,280 elections, in which 450,842 valid ballots were
cast. The few cases of open controversy which make the news­
paper headlines are a tiny minority. The Board has done a work­
manlike job in removing thousands of difficulties that the public
seldom or never hears of.
While it is true that for many years workers have had the theo­
retical “ right” to organize and bargain collectively, it was in 1935, for
the first time in our history, that a Federal agency was created solely
to protect this long-recognized abstract right, in much the same way
the Government sought to protect other groups, such as shippers and
passengers, merchants and manufacturers, consumers, farmers, bank
depositors, and home owners.




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The freedom of employees to self-organization is a freedom recog­
nized by reasonable men, but before it became recognized by law it had
to be fought for and not until the Supreme Court spoke, in April 1937,
did some concede this principle, and even now some employers seek
to evade it, and reactionary elements the country over oppose it.
The Supreme Court said, “ Employees have as clear a right to organ­
ize and select their representatives for lawful purposes as the respond­
ent has to organize its business and select its own officers and agents.
Discrimination and coercion to prevent the free exercise of the right of
employees to self-organization and representation is a proper subject
for condemnation by competent legislative authority.” The Court said
further that, “union was essential to give laborers opportunity to deal
on an equality with their employers.”
The right of workers to organize and join labor unions and to
choose representatives for collective bargaining or other purposes is
clearly set forth in section 7 of the National Relations Act as follows:
“Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join,
or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through repre­
sentatives of their own choosing, and to engage in concerted activities
for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or
protection.”
The act further holds that interference by the employer with the
exercise of this right on the part of the worker or workers is an unfair
labor practice. To protect workers in the exercise of this right is
the function of the Board. Collective bargaining is essential to the
well-being of employees. It is essential to industrial peace under
decent conditions. It is essential to self-respect of our industrial
system. But collective bargaining cannot exist in the face of employer
coercion o f the individual employees in their choice of bargaining
agents; it cannot exist if those practices forbidden by the act are used
by the employer.
The National Labor Relations Board consists of three nonpartisan
members appointed by the President for 5 years. There is a Wash­
ington staff and a field staff operating in 22 regions over the Nation.
When a charge alleging an unfair labor practice within the mean­
ing of the act is filed by a complainant in a regional office, the regional
director examines it for sufficiency, dockets it, acknowledges receipt
of it, and notifies the respondent. The case is then assigned by the
director to a field examiner, who investigates the charges—contact­
ing the respondent and the complainant. The examiner obtains all
details of the circumstances affecting the case and all facts. These
facts, as well as the points of view, are gained both from the em­
ployer and from the union or from individuals. These investigations are scientifically and impartially made. The first objective of




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the examiner is to gain all the facts from all parties. I f the facts
indicate an unfair labor practice is being committed by the employer,
the examiner seeks to gain a settlement in compliance with the law.
Fifty-five percent of the cases have been thus settled. I f the facts
reveal that the charges are unfounded, or interstate commerce is
lacking, then the union is asked to withdraw the charges. Twentyfour percent of all cases have been withdrawn. I f the union refuses
to withdraw the charges in cases where the facts do not reveal
an unfair labor practice, the case is then dismissed. Sixteen percent
of all cases have been disposed of in this manner.
Where a case, upon investigation, is found to represent an unfair
labor practice, and the agents of the Board are unable to obtain
compliance with the law, a complaint, upon authority of the Board,
is issued by the regional director and a hearing is called before a
trial examiner appointed by the Board. All parties are given oppor­
tunity to be heard and present witnesses. The trial examiner, after
reviewing the transcript of the hearing, makes his intermediate re­
port, to which either or both parties may file exceptions, with which
the Board may agree or disagree. I f the report of the examiner
finds an unfair practice, the regional director of the Board again
attempts to get compliance. I f this fails, then the Board makes its
finding of fact, and if the law has been violated a decision and an
order are issued. Again the regional director attempts to get com­
pliance to accomplish the purposes of the act and save expensive
court procedure. It is only after all these efforts have failed that the
Board resorts to court action.
The fact that 55 percent of all cases, affecting 1,297,091 workers,
are settled equitably and in compliance with the law, by agreement
between the parties, is a compliment to the agents of the Board, and
specifically a compliment to the good sense of representatives of in­
dustry who have manifested a desire to be law abiding and give to
workers not only their inherent, but also, their lawful and just, right
to enjoy the benefits of self-organization.
In the sixteenth region in the past 9 months we have had a marked
improvement in compliance. Less than 6 percent of the cases have
become the subject of formal procedure, while prior to that time
more than 18 percent were the objects of such action.
Dr. J. Warren Madden, chairman of the National Labor Kelations
Board, has well said of these law-abiding and upright employers:
Great credit must be given to those employers who have led the way toward
the acceptance of this law. Their calm voices have been most effective to
overcome the irrational fears which agitators have sought to cultivate. Such
employers serve themselves and their country well.

In only 2 percent of the cases coming before the Board has it
seen fit to issue cease and desist orders against employers. It is




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this 2 percent of unwilling and law-breaking employers that flaunt
labor’s right to self-organization. This group does not represent,
in our opinion, American industrialists. These industrial anarchists
are prophets of doom and defeatism. They are agitators who bring
industrial strife. They are industrial termites who bore into the very
economic structure which supports them, and thwart labor’s right to
self-organization; they bring their own economic house down upon
them and encourage others to do likewise. These feudal lords of
American industry, in their violation of human rights, stand in the
rear guard of economic progress, sniping at the very vitals of indus­
trial democracy; they are heralds of the disease of Fascism, in an
America dedicated to Democracy.
At this point, I think it pertinent that we quote from an address
of Senator Wagner, the father of the National Labor Relations Act,
who points us to the source of Fascism and explains that its source
is found, not in the government but in industry itself. I quote:
The struggle for a voice in industry through the processes of collective
Bargaining is at the heart of the struggle for the preservation of political
as well as economic democracy in America. Let men become the servile
pawns of their masters in the factories of the land and there will be de­
stroyed the bone and sinew of resistance to political dictatorship.
Fascism begins in industry, not in government. The seeds of communism
are sown in industry, not in government. But let men know the dignity of
freedom and self-expression in their daily lives, and they will never bow
to tyranny in any quarter of their national life.

There are some of the smaller industrialists who ape these industrial
overlords and become Charlie McCarthys in the hands of the Bergens of certain employer open-shop associations. These employers
are also victimized by certain avaricious members of the legal fra­
ternity who encourage them not to comply with the act and to op­
pose the Board, when the facts are such that compliance with the
act and cooperation with the Board would make for harmonious
relations with employees. These misled employers suffer loss of
production in their plants, and otherwise are put to great expense
because they follow this ill-advised course of action.
Employers of labor are often made to feel that their interests
lie with those interests which fight every piece of social legislation
benefiting the masses of the people, including labor—while as a
matter of fact the interest of business lies not with those reaction­
ary forces but with the masses, for if the masses have security and
purchasing power, business has security and a market for its goods
and its services.
It is the duty of the Board to administer the act and enforce the
statute without fear or favoritism. It is the duty of the employer
to comply with the act frankly, openly, and without reserve. Those




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of us in the field who administer the act are not interested solely in
getting compliance with the terms of the statute but also in justice,
and in the continuity of production, and in the continuity of employ­
ment, and in industrial peace. Compliance with the act contributes
to these ends.
We feel that an adjustment of a matter before us should go beyond
mere compliance with the act. It should result in better under­
standings between the parties, more consideration one for the other,
and lasting peace. This cannot always be accomplished, but it is a
worthy goal. In other words, we are not only administering an act,
but we are educating to a new way of life in employer-employee
relationships.
The act has been bitterly attacked. Any law which changes a
status is subject to attack by those vested with interest in the status
quo. No reasonable person will argue for industrial autocracy any
more than he will argue for political autocracy. We shall never
reach a true democracy until we have not only political democracy
but democracy in industry—employer with employees around a con­
ference table determining jointly and with equality conditions of
employment.
We have had a great grounds well of industrial unrest, for which
labor too often has been unwarrantedly held responsible. More truly
the cause of industrial unrest has been the denial by the employer of
rights guaranteed to the worker by the act. It is not the National
Labor Relations Act which has caused industrial unrest but noncompliance on the part of unwilling employers.
It is interesting to us to note that statistics show that the National
Labor Relations Act and the work of the National Labor Relations
Board, instead of contributing to industrial strife— as Senator Burke
and others have recently accused—to the contrary have contributed
definitely to industrial peace.
In the year 1938 there were 50 percent feAver strikes in the United
States than in 1937, and only one-third the number of employees
engaged in strikes in 1938 as compared to 1937.

It is true that labor leadership in many instances has erred, but
industrial leadership has likewise erred. Labor leadership is but a
reflection o f industrial leadership. The act should not now be
changed in the heat of controversy, but it should be given the test
of time and should be changed only if compliance with it works
injury. It is more sane to let the merits of the act be tested in an
era of compliance, and then determine whether it should be amended,
rather than to consider amendment in the era of noncompliance. It
is interesting to note that it is not the employer who is complying
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with it who wishes it changed, but those who are not complying with
it in their labor relations.
A spokesman of the General Electric Co., according to press reports,
had the following to say about the Wagner A ct:
Nine times out of ten, strikes are the management’s fault, and nine times out
of ten when there are grievances, it’s the management’s fault. * * *
W e have had no trouble with the Wagner law. It was designated to take the
part of the employee who can’t take care of himself. My suggestion would be
to let the Wagner law ride and let some of these employers who haven’t tried
it, give it a try. * * *

Employers who comply with the spirit of the act have profited by
recognition of labor’s right to self-organization— as General Motors,
United States Steel, the men’s clothing industry, the printing indus­
try, and the General Electric Co. can testify.
Employees and the public have benefited, for a billion dollars annu­
ally have been added to the pay rolls of the American workingmen
as the result of collective bargaining.
The Board likewise has been criticized, but the record of this Board
is good. The decisions of the Board have been upheld in 18 of the
23 cases acted upon by the Supreme Court of the United States. In
the circuit courts the Board has won 38 decisions and lost in 13 cases
and the honors were evenly divided in 5 cases.
In the face of this indorsement by the highest court in the land,
the editorial writers, the United States Chamber of Commerce, the
National Manufacturers’ Association and certain members of the
American Bar Association have shouted to high heaven that the
Board is unfair, biased, and has interfered with the freedom of
speech and due process of law. The Supreme Court in these decisions
has decreed, however, that the Board’s decisions and interpretations
are within the law and based on fact.
The Board does not prejudge the cases before it. It seeks only the
facts. I f the facts show the employer is complying with the law,
we acknowledge it. I f they show noncompliance, we require com­
pliance. Each party is given a full and fair opportunity to present
his facts and his point of view.
In 83 cases closed in one regional office, 35 were adjusted by mutual
agreement satisfactory to both parties. Thirty-five were dismissed
or withdrawn because of lack of merit or because jurisdiction under
commerce was lacking. Two cases were transferred and 11 went to
formal hearing. The Board has ruled on 5 of these, 3 of which rul­
ings were favorable to the employees and 2 were favorable to the
companies. This record is not one of partiality but rather one of care­
fully weighing of fact and judicial-mindedness in decision. This
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tion. It is a labor law—we make no apology for administering it
as such.
While the Congress of the United States has protected, in a Federal
statute, labor’s right of self-organization, some five of our common­
wealths have written into their State statutes legislation protecting
labor engaged in intrastate business. These “ little Wagner” State
labor relations acts have made a great contribution to the security
of heretofore unprotected employees in thousands of sweatshop
establishments.
We need not less but more enactments of State labor relations laws,
not merely to protect labor against abuses of certain elements of
management but to protect legitimate and fair business enterprises,
which pay decent w^ages and provide wholesome conditions for their
labor, against the unfair competition of exploitative business.
Before concluding our remarks, I think it well that we call atten­
tion to some of the larger contributions made by the act and by the
Board, which demonstrate the contribution of our Government, not
merely to the material welfare of the people, but to their spiritual
welfare by creating a new liberty and by making more secure our
democracy.
I quote from a speech by Doctor Madden, given before the American
Political Science Association at Columbus, Ohio, December 29, 1938:
This law, then, has had about a year and a half of recognized validity. After
the Supreme Court decisions, such a flood of cases came into our regional
offices as could not possibly have been foreseen by the Board or the fiscal officers
of the Government. W e did not have the staff to handle them adequately, and
did not succeed in recruiting such a staff for many months thereafter. In
consequence, so far as formal hearings and decisions are concerned, our work
has been far from current. W e regret this, because it is particularly important
that labor problems should receive prompt attention. Fortunately, more than
90 percent of all the cases which are brought to our regional offices are either
dismissed or adjusted after an investigation, without any formal hearing or
delay.
In most sections of the country, most employers are now obeying the law.
As a result of vigorous organization campaigns and under the protection of the
act the two great labor organizations claim about 8,000,000 members, as against
less than 3,000,000 in 1934.
Freedom of speech, press, and assembly are enjoyed in greater degree and in
more communities in America than ever before. This has resulted almost
entirely from the insistence by workers and the Government that the new liberty
of unionization be respected.
Through union meetings and workers, education programs set up by unions
and their sympathizers, millions of Americans are receiving an education and
experience in the principles and practices of self-government which seems to
me to be more valuable to the country than any other type of adult education.
They there discuss their problems, commend or criticize their leaders, learn what
it is practicable to ask for, and why compromise is often necessary. Their
education in self-government is carried on under the most realistic conditions,
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my opinion, these workers are becoming one of the most intelligent and stable
forces in American society, and if the test comes as to whether we can pre­
serve our form of government, it will not be they who will be first misled by
the demagogue.
Many thousands of new labor agreements have been arrived at by collective
bargaining between employers and unions. Each of these agreements repre­
sents peace, stability, and mutual respect, and most of them represent improved
conditions for the workers. Perhaps the largest single enterprise in the United
States, which only recently had a published policy of not recognizing independent
unions, has now had a union contract for more than a year, which contract has,
the company says, been scrupulously observed by the parties. The conditions
which, according to the report of the President’s commission, have made for
industrial peace in England and Sweden, are being realized to a notable extent
in this country, and the progress of the past year in that direction has
probably been the most rapid in our history.
Our millions of workers have more understanding of and confidence in their
Government and its several branches today than they have ever had before.
They understand and appreciate the fact that the Congress and the President
provided this law, the Supreme Court upheld it and gave it wide application,
and the Board has administered it sympathetically and vigorously.
Workers in local enterprises not covered by the act, and in States where
there are no State labor relations acts, have to a considerable extent re­
ceived the benefits of the national act. When the great national enterprises
in a community have conceded labor’s right to organize, the community
resistance to organization is largely broken, and lesser employers are likely
to concede the right.

In the United States we have developed a great machine economy
but have not prepared ourselves for its consequences. We have
developed a scientifically efficient and effective technique of production.
In our technique of distribution, however, there is a tremendous and
tragic lag, and as a result we have on the one hand plenty and on the
other want. Progress is written large in our history, but poverty blurs
the achievement. This maldistribution of wealth and income accounts
for these periodic depressions which shock the vitals of our economic
life.
These economic shocks of depression can only be allayed by a
saner balance between production on the one hand and distribution
on the other. In a market economy a balance can be had only
where there is a substantial and consistent purchasing power in the
hands of the masses of the people.
I f the benevolence and intelligent self-interest of employers of
labor are unable to maintain a consistent and sufficient purchasing
power in the hands of the masses of the people, then the organiza­
tion of workers should be freely permitted in order that they may
have a chance to save our economic life from these disasters.
The organization of labor is essential to a better system of eco­
nomic distribution. The fair-minded and thoughtful employers real­
ize these obstacles to economic stability appear when rights of labor
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only to industrial peace but also to economic well-being. Conformity
to the principles of the National Labor Relations Act offers the
doorway through which this cooperation may be gained.
To do less than the act requires is to fail in our duty.
To go
beyond it is rank bureaucracy. To keep the middle course is not an
easy task, but it is the only course in which those of us who admin­
ister the act can keep our self-respect. From this course we shall not
be moved.
The task of industry, of organized labor, of the Government, is
to bring the good life, the abundant life, not merely to some, but
to all our people.
T h e Record o f the N e w Y o rk State Labor Relations Board

By P a u l

M. H

erzog,

M e m b e r o f th e N e w Y o r k S ta te L a b o r R e la tio n s B o a r d

Two years have passed since I had the pleasure of addressing the
association at its annual meeting at Toronto. Then, in September
1937, the National Labor Relations Act had only recently been held
constitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States. Five
State labor relations acts, or “ little Wagner” acts, had just been en­
acted in Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Wis­
consin. With minor variations the five statutes followed closely the
pattern of the Federal act. The probabilities then seemed great that
other States would soon follow the initial five, and thus supplement
throughout the country the protection already afforded by the United
States Government to employees of those employers who fell within
the Federal jurisdiction.
However, the trend in 1939 has been in the opposite direction. No
new “ little Wagner” acts have been enacted. What is more significant,
in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin the original labor relations acts have
been supplanted, after less than 2 years, by statutes which seriously
limit the rights and privileges of employees and labor unions. Other
States, such as Michigan and Minnesota, have enacted new statutes,
which must give some concern to those who still believe that the prin­
ciples enunciated in recent Federal labor legislation are sound.
I am neither disposed nor qualified to attempt to assert the reasons
for this new trend in State legislation. Instead, I will, against the
background of this regrettable recent history, seek to give you a
picture of our experience during the past 2 years in the administra­
tion of New York’s Labor Relations Act, which has survived intact.
I think it can be fairly said that the New York experiment has
worked well. Although the State legislature has met twice since
the orginal enactment of the statute, no amendments to the act have
been passed by either house. Indeed, none were even introduced
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tion of the State labor relations act as originally written. Perhaps
it is symtomatic that when one of the three board members was re­
appointed by the govenor this May, his nomination was immediately
and unanimously confirmed by a State senate of opposing political
faith.
Needless to add to an audience of labor administrators, the act has
not always worked perfectly. The board has been criticized at times,
as it well might have been, but we have not, at least so far, been the
recipients of virulent criticism. It would hardly become me to give
the reasons for this, even if I knew them. I can only say that we
have been fortunate from the beginning, and turn, as I do now, to
the record itself.
It is scarcely necessary, in addressing this professional audience,
even to outline the purposes and provisions of a Wagner act—
whether Federal or State. The New York Legislature, like Congress,
found, after studying the statistics of the Bureau of Labor Statistics,
that a majority of the bitter strikes of recent years were caused by
the refusal of employers to recognize their employees’ right to pool
their economic strength by joining labor unions, and thus to achieve
equal bargaining power with their employers. Employers had for
many years discharged their employees for joining or assisting labor
organizations, had fostered company-dominated unions, and had de­
clined to bargain collectively with outside labor organizations which
were freely chosen by their employees. The employees’ only recourse
was to use their economic power. This meant the use of the strike,
a costly weapon for the employer, the public, and the employees them­
selves. The Wagner acts were designed to diminish the use of the
strike in this type of dispute by providing a peaceful and orderly
alternative through the intervention of government. The tendency
today in New York State is for employees, who formerly felt that
the strike was their only remedy against employer interference with
their right to organize and bargain collectively, to remain at work
and bring their grievances to the State board for adjudication.
The board has two main tasks. The first is the prevention of
unfair labor practices, such as espionage, discrimination against em­
ployees because they had joined unions, the establishment of company
unions, and the refusal to bargain collectively with representatives
selected by a majority of the employees within an appropriate bar­
gaining unit.
Our procedure with respect to alleged unfair labor practices is
substantially the same as that of the National Labor Relations Board.
Thus an employee who believes he has been dismissed for union
activities may file a charge directly, or through his union, with our
board. The board first endeavors to learn the facts by calling a con­
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invited to attend. A large proportion of such cases are closed at
this stage, sometimes by a settlement in which the employer agrees
to reinstate the man, sometimes by a withdrawal or dismissal of the
charges following the complainant’s realization that the discharge was
for good cause, and not for union activities. I believe that this
informal procedure, which accounts for the closing of 15 out of every
16 cases filed with the board, can best be given reality if I cite specific
examples.
A typical settlement ought first to be described. In one case,
charges were filed that a large retail chain store in the city had dis­
charged six employees because they had joined a union. The board
investigated and discovered that prior to the discharges, certain of the
store’s managers had called the employees together and warned them
against joining the union, threatening them with the loss of their
jobs. The union had met and had authorized the calling of a strike.
The board further discovered that though there was strong evidence
that three of the discharges had been for union activity, it was by no
means sure that the other discharges had not been for cause. This
was made clear to the representatives of both sides. The employer
thereupon agreed to reemploy three out of the six discharged em­
ployees, with whatever amount of back pay the board should decide
was fair and equitable. Representatives of the union accepted this
settlement as fair. The employees were reinstated with 4 weeks’ back
pay apiece. The union withdrew its charges and a serious strike
was averted.
Still another case, representing a voluntary withdrawal by a
union, involved the alleged discharge of a drug-store employee be­
cause of his union activities. At the conference conducted by the
board both the employer and the complaining employee stated in
detail their versions of the circumstances dealing with the discharge.
The factual data presented by the employer in response to inquiries
by our investigator indicated quite strongly that the dismissal was
motivated by the poor work and inefficiency of the employee. Im­
mediately after the conference the attorney for the union informed
the board’s investigator that, after reporting to the union, he was
sure it would withdraw its charges. Some 2 days later the board
received such a withdrawal and marked the case closed.
Another recent case is an instance in which a union declined to
withdraw its charge, but the board found it to be without merit.
A charge was filed that a manufacturer had dismissed three men
from his employ shortly after they had joined the union. It ap­
peared that these were the only three union members in his plant
out of some 25 individuals in his employ. The board’s investigator
studied the matter carefully. It developed that these three employ­
ees had worked with many others in the creation of a special prod-




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uct. The employer had brought forward clear evidence that he had
been losing money in the manufacture of this product and some
months before the beginning of union activities had decided to lay
off certain of the men in this department. It appeared further that
two other men in the same department had also been discharged
and that all five men discharged had been lower in seniority than
those retained. The labor relations investigator reported these facts,
and the board decided that since the evidence did not warrant the
issuance of a complaint, the charges should be dismissed.
O f course there remain an appreciable number of cases in which
informal disposition is not possible, and a board decision becomes
necessary. If, after listening to both sides, and after further in­
vestigation, the board is convinced that union activity was the reason
for the dismissal, but the employer is still unwilling to reinstate the
man, the board issues a formal complaint and calls a public hearing.
The employer is given at least 1 wyeek’s notice of such hearing, wdiich
is held before one of the three members of the board or an attorney
designated as trial examiner. Ample opportunity is given to all
parties to be represented by counsel and to examine and cross-examine
witnesses. The trial examiner then prepares an intermediate report,
stating his findings as to the facts and his recommendations.
The losing party is given an opportunity to file exceptions and to
be heard in oral argument before the board itself. The full board
later considers the evidence and argument and decides whether or not
the charges of unfair labor practice have been proven. I f they are
not proved, they are dismissed. I f the board finds that the unfair
practices were committed, it orders the employer to refrain from them
in the future, and also requires him to offer restitution to employees
who have already been injured. Thus if it finds that an employee has
been discharged because of union activities, it will normally order
his reinstatement with back pay from the time of his dismissal.
The board’s decisions are not self-enforcing. They must be en­
forced by the courts of the State. I f an employer fails to comply
with our order or if he desires a review of the board’s action, the entire
case is taken to the New York Supreme Court for review and enforce­
ment. The law provides, however, that the board’s findings of fact
are conclusive, if supported by substantial evidence, and cannot be
reviewed by the court. Our court record in enforcement proceedings
has been most encouraging. We have won 23 out of the 25 adjudica­
tions by lower and appellate courts in which our orders have been
subjected to judicial scrutiny.
So far I have spoken only of unfair labor practice cases. The
board’s second task is a more affirmative one, and derives from its
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selecting their collective bargaining representatives. An employer
is obliged to bargain with the representatives selected by a majority
of his employees. It is therefore of the highest importance that some
method be employed to ascertain which representative, if any, this
majority actually desires. An election by secret ballot is the obvious
democratic method, and it is the one most frequently employed by the
State labor relations board. More than three-fifths of our cases have
involved requests for elections.
An election case is usually begun by the filing of a petition for certifi­
cation of representatives by a union. As in the unfair labor practice
cases, the board’s first step is to call a conference of all the interested
parties. These include the petitioning union, the employer, and nowa­
days in many instances a competing labor organization. A member of
our staff attempts to obtain the consent of all these parties to the con­
duct of an election, or to the use of some other method to determine the
desires of the employees, such as a comparison of signatures on union
membership cards with authenticated signatures obtained from the
employer’s files. I f consent can be obtained, an atmosphere of good
will is established at the outset, and delay in collective bargaining
is avoided. Both unions and employers apparently recognize the
value of our election machinery, since we have been fortunate in ob­
taining consent in the overwhelming majority of these cases. That
confidence in the democratic procedure of board investigation and
election has grown is shown by the fact that in 1939 employers have
only rarely insisted upon a formal hearing or election order. They are
normally ready, after one or two informal conferences at the board’s
offices, to sign a consent stipulation for an election or comparison of
signatures. Once the wishes of the majority are established in this
manner, collective bargaining negotiations are likely to proceed with a
minimum of friction.
One example may be of interest in this connection. A petition
was recently filed with the board calling for the investigation and
certification of representatives among almost 1,000 employees of a
large drug chain store in this city. Two unions were organizing
these employees. Feeling was high. Delay might have meant a
strike. In this instance, however, the board after several conferences
with the representatives of the employer and both unions was able to
secure their agreement that the appropriate unit for collective bar­
gaining should include the employees in all the stores within the
New York City metropolitan area. The parties agreed further that
the board should conduct an election among the individuals employed
in this unit as of the date of the petition for investigation, and that
if either union won a majority of the votes cast in the election, the
board might certify it as the representative of all employees for the




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purposes of collective bargaining. The election was held, with more
than 700 individuals voting. One of the unions won a close victory.
The board certified it and the company sat down with the union
representatives and after a few days of discussion signed a contract
with them.
Naturally, the parties do not always agree on the terms of a consent
election or certification. In these cases the board must proceed to
formal hearing. At the hearing, testimony is taken concerning the
appropriate bargaining unit, as well as on the desires of the em­
ployees. The question frequently arises as to whether balloting and
subsequent bargaining should be conducted on the basis of a plant,
department, or craft unit. The issue is the practical one of what types
of employees should join together in negotiating with the employer.
The determination necessarily turns upon the facts in each particular
case. Where the record does not allow of a definite determination,
the board leaves the choice of unit to the desires of the employees
themselves, as expressed in an election. Here I should mention that
the New York act, unlike the National Labor Relations Act, contains
an express provision that whenever “the majority of employees of a
particular craft shall so decide the board shall designate such craft
as a unit appropriate for the purpose of collective bargaining.” Sur­
prisingly enough, this proviso, which has received much comment
in the press, has been specifically invoked in only two or three cases
in the past 26 months.
I f we are convinced, on the basis of evidence introduced by the
company and the unions at such a hearing, that a particular union
represents a majority of the employees, we may certify that union
without finding it necessary to order an election, by means of a com­
parison of signatures on union cards with authenticated signatures
furnished by the employer. We are, however, decreasingly will­
ing to make a determination on this basis except in very small units,
unless all parties consent. An election is always directed if any
doubt exists as to the desires of the employees. The names of all
competing labor organizations are placed on the ballot, unless, of
course, they are shown to be company unions, inspired, dominated, or
financed by the employer. Both employers and unions recognize that
the election by secret ballot is the most convincing and most peaceful
way to determine the free choice of employees. Before the labor
relations acts were passed, the strike was the only possible test of
strength, and it was not always either peaceful or convincing.
Ordinarily, election petitions are filed by labor organizations. How­
ever, it is important here to call attention to the fact that the New
York State Labor Relations Act differs materially from the national
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upon the request of an employer. As most of you know, the National
Board until only recently declined to entertain employer election
petitions, the Federal statute being silent on the subject. Now the
National Board has changed its rules, and does investigate an em­
ployer’s application in cases where two or more labor organizations
assert that they represent a majority of his employees.
I think it can be fairly said that the presence of the employer
election provision in the New York act from its inception in 1937 has
contributed materially to public confidence in the act and its admin­
istration. I must add, however, that the experience in New York
State convinces me that the criticism to which the National Board
was until recently subjected on this score has been out of all propor­
tion to the importance of the subject. I say this because, although
the presence of the employer election petition provision in the New
York act has been widely publicized, the employers of the State have
apparently not found it necessary to take frequent advantage of it.
During our first 2 years only 85 employer petitions were filed, as
compared to almost 2,500 filed by labor organizations. Employer
petitions, therefore, have represented only a little over 3 percent of
the total.
Although the law is silent as to the manner of holding elections,
whether requested by unions or employers, the board from the outset
has taken minute precautions to conduct the bafioting with adequate
notice, with fitting formality, and in such a manner that all concerned
instinctively recognize that the elections are always completely secret,
and fair in every respect. Prior to the election a printed or mime­
ographed notice is posted conspicuously throughout the employer’s
place of business, alongside of an eligibility list, and, even more
important, is handed to every individual employee. The notice con­
tains, among other things, a full size facsimile of the ballot to be used.
The board takes great pains to conduct the election so that all
concerned are immediately conscious that the balloting is super­
vised by officials of the State of New York, and is conducted under
its laws. Elections are not held on the employer’s premises or during
working hours. Large elections usually take place in public schools
or other public buildings to accentuate their official character. Mem­
bers of the board’s staff are in charge of the proceedings. Only duly
accredited persons are permitted within the polling place. Voters
are protected from intimidation or mental pressure from any source
by the exclusion of all persons in authority in either management
or unions. The observers appointed by the parties to assist the
board’s agents in identifying voters are ordinarily eligible to vote
themselves.
Identification at the polls is assured by having each voter sign
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with the board in advance. I f it compares properly, as it almost
always does, the voter receives his official ballot from an agent of
the board and proceeds to a regulation voting booth, entirely en­
closed, marks his ballot in privacy, folds it, and drops it into a
sealed ballot box himself. When the polls are closed the ballots
are counted immediately by agents of the board in such a manner
that the authorized observers have full opportunity to inspect each
ballot and participate in the count. The result is declared at once,
and all observers sign the report of count. I f a union wins the
election, a certification is issued by the board, after a reasonable
time has expired for the filing of any protests. Pursuant to a board
rule, these certifications of representatives are ordinarily valid for
a period o f 1 year.
A surprising and encouraging feature of employee election is
the extremely small number of ballots which must be rejected be­
cause o f defective marking. Apparently because of the advance cir­
culation of sample ballots, but even more because of the care with
which workers study the proper method of declaring their choice,
the number of spoiled ballots is negligible. In a recent election
among 2,500 unskilled workers, only 5 ballots were rejected because
of improper marking. While this speaks well for their intelligence,
care due to self-interest is probably the correct explanation of the
accurate voting. Even more significant is the fact that full par­
ticipation is not unusual. For example, in an election among 2,500
insurance agents, over 99 percent voted. They did this on their
own time, some journeying more than 75 miles in order to vote.
Similarly, in an election among 2,200 grocery clerks employed in
545 widely scattered stores in New York City and adjoining counties,
96 percent voted, although the vote took place after the close of
business at 6: 30 p. m. and entailed much travel on the part of many.
That the average worker is so much more keenly interested in his
job than in the conduct of public affairs throws an interesting light
on the existing economic situation.
I have spoken of the nature of the State labor relations board’s
task. The members of the association may also be curious to know
something about the volume of our work.
I shall not burden you with detailed statistical information, which
can be obtained by writing directly to our office in New York City.
However, I suppose that I would not be in error to outline certain
basic statistical facts.
In addition to the three board members, the general counsel and
executive secretary, we now have 16 attorneys and 6 investigators
attached to our New York City office. There is a regional attorney
in Albany and one in Buffalo. The clerical staff consists of about
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From July 1, 1937, until June 30, 1939, the board handled 4,252
cases, involving almost a quarter of a million employees. It can be
fairly said that 584 strikes were either averted or settled as the result
of the enforcement of the “little Wagner” act by the New York State
Labor Relations Board. Much more important, however, in my opin­
ion, is the fact that 94 percent of the cases filed with the board were
closed before hearings or other formal action became necessary.
Three-fifths of this 94 percent involved settlements between the
parties, consistent with the policy of the act, made possible by the
action of the board or its staff. The remaining two-fifths were
closed before hearing as a result either of the board’s dismissing
the case, on the ground that the union’s charge was without merit,
or by reason of a voluntary withdrawal by the union after inves­
tigation revealed that its original claim was without merit. I have
already given examples of cases which have been closed in this
manner.
During the 2-year period only 212 cases out of more than 4,000
reached the hearing stage. The greater part of these were election
or representation cases. Indeed, it is a significant commentary on
the acceptance of the principles of the State labor relations act by
New York’s employers that the board found it necessary during its
first 2 years to issue only 40 orders finding that employers had en­
gaged in unfair labor practices and directing them to reinstate
employees, dissolve company unions, or bargain collectively. Half
of these orders, in turn, were complied with by the employers with­
out the board’s having found it necessary to obtain enforcement
through court proceedings. Where enforcement has been necessary,
however, we have invariably sought and almost invariably obtained
it. I have already pointed out that the courts have upheld the
board in over 90 percent of the cases which were brought before them.
I find that I have succumbed to the usual temptation of an ad­
ministrator to expand upon the good features of the work of the
agency which he represents and to say very little about the diffi­
culties and the mistakes. I know, as you must know, that the New
York State Labor Relations Board has been beset with many
difficulties, and has not been free from error. Perhaps our most
serious problems have arisen from the inadequate size of our staff,
which, while admittedly greater than that of other State labor boards,
is much too small to cope with the huge mass of cases which have
arisen in the largest industrial State in the Union. We are far
behind in our calendar and, as a result, unions have sometimes felt
that they might be better off to rely upon their old economic weapon
of the strike rather than come to the board and wait many months
for a hearing or a decision. Similarly, employers suffer from delays
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act are found, since back pay due to discharged employees accrues
during the entire period that a case is pending before the board.
We are doing all that we can to meet this situation within the limits
of our budget, but I cannot in all frankness say that we are satisfied
with this aspect of our record.
It must also be apparent to all of you that the continuing conflict
between the American Federation of Labor and the Congress of
Industrial Organizations has multiplied the problems with which a
labor relations board is faced. In the nature of things, a threesided case is a more difficult one to handle than a two-sided one, and
it is unfortunately true that a substantial number of the matters
which come before the board are of the former character. We can
only hope that this condition will not long continue and be thankful,
meanwhile, that neither of the great labor organizations has yet
expressed any lack of confidence in the impartiality of the New
York board.
A word should be said about the need for State labor relations
acts to supplement the Federal Wagner Act. The jurisdiction of the
National Labor Relations Board is, of course, limited under the Con­
stitution by the Federal commerce power. The National Board can
assume jurisdiction only over cases in which labor disputes might
affect or diminish interstate commerce. Even under recent Supreme
Court decisions, which have greatly broadened the Federal power,
there still remains a large field of trade and commerce to which the
power of the United States Government does not extend. There is
no valid reason why employees who happen to work for employers
whose businesses are not subject to Federal regulation should not
have their right of self-organization protected to the same extent as
is that of employees in larger establishments within the very same
State.
The jurisdictional lines between State and Federal boards have
not yet been clearly established by the courts but as a practical matter
the National and New York Board have had no difficulty in defining
their respective jurisdiction. We have found more than enough to
do, with our limited budget and staff, in dealing with those concerns
which are unquestionably intrastate in character, to attempt to ex­
pand our field of activity to companies with which the National
Board normally seeks to deal. The State board has concerned itself
primarily with employers in the following fields: Retail stores, serv­
ice trades, public utilities (including transit lines), small manufac­
turing establishments, and the building service industry.
I spoke in Toronto 2 years ago about a case in which an emplo}^er
operating a retail chain store sought to escape our jurisdiction by
taking advantage of a section in our statute which provides that,
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any employer who concedes to and agrees with the board that such
employees are subject to and protected by the * * * National
Labor Eelations Act * *
In this case the employer “conceded
to” the board that his employees were protected by the national act.
The State board believed, however, that in view of the large propor­
tion of his intrastate retail business, it was extremely doubtful
whether the National Board’s jurisdiction would ultimately be upheld
by the courts. Thus he would have fallen, deliberately, between two
stools, and his employees would have been without protection. W e
therefore declined to “agree with” him that the national act applied,
and proceeded with the case ourselves.
The delays inherent in the administration of our statute are all
too well exemplified by the fact that although I spoke to you about
this problem in September 1937, it was only in July of the present
year that the highest court of New York State made a final determi­
nation of this matter in the Davega case. The court held, in the first
place, that an employer’s concession that the National Board had
jurisdiction was insufficient to deprive the State board of its power
unless the State board expressly agreed with his concession. The
court went much further, however, and this should be of especial
interest to the State officials present. It held that regardless of the
extent of an employer’s interstate business, the State board can assume
jurisdiction over any employer in the State unless and until the
National Labor Eelations Board has actually sought to exercise its
paramount power over him under the Federal Constitution. In theory,
therefore, we are authorized under the State’s police power to handle
any case arising in New York, even though the employer is clearly
engaged in interstate commerce, except in those cases where action has
been taken by the National Board. In practice, of course, we will
continue to refer complainants to the National Board in all cases
where we believe that that Board’s jurisdiction is clear. It seems
especially wise to do this, and to aid them in expanding this field
of Federal activity at a time when so few of our sister States are
protecting the free self-organization of employees within their
borders.
The participation of the New York State government in the elimi­
nation of industrial strife is not limited to the work of the State
labor relations board. There has been for many years a competent
staff of State mediators and conciliators ready to assist employers
and employees in settling their differences. But there has been a
more significant recent development. In 1937, due to the foresight of
Governor Lehman, the legislature not only enacted the State labor
relations act, but also a statute establishing the State board of media­
tion. Both the governor and the legislature realized that the “little
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strife, and that other types of controversies which also frequently
lead to strikes would have to be dealt with by a different technique.
They realized that the task of government is not always ended when
the bargaining power of employer and employee is relatively equally
balanced. They knew that even after this parity is attained, there
may still be fundamental disagreement between the two, concerning
the substantive terms of a proposed collective agreement. The State
board of mediation was therefore established to supplement the work
of individual conciliators. The board is composed of five distin­
guished public-spirited citizens. These five men and women, who
have continued active in their normal fields of endeavor, are devoting
a substantial portion of their time to this important public service.
The services of the mediation board are principally invoked when
a conflict arises between employers and already recognized labor
unions concerning wages, hours, and other conditions of employment.
The board’s record in settling strikes has been an enviable one.
During its first 2 years it was instrumental in settling 917 industrial
disputes out of 980 submitted to it by employers or labor unions.
It is interesting to note that of these 980 disputes, 40 percent were
submitted by employers. Not only has the board used its own good
offices to conciliate the differences between employers and employees,
but it has created a panel of leading attorneys and other citizens
from which the parties may select arbitrators if they decide, volun­
tarily, to submit their dispute to arbitration. Over 565 of the 917
settlements already referred to were reached by arbitration. The
board members have not recently served as arbitrators themselves,
feeling that if they rendered decisions in particular cases, they would
destroy much of their usefulness as disinterested conciliators in
others.
The mediation and the labor relations boards have worked in the
closest cooperation. They share offices on a single floor and it has
become increasingly frequent practice for the boards to refer cases to
one another. M y personal view is that the coexistence of these two
boards has contributed to the prestige of both. The fact that there
is a labor relations board has made it possible for the State board of
mediation to operate as it should operate, entirely as an agency to
which parties come voluntarily, with the sure knowledge that the
State, acting through that particular board, is nc t concerned with
possible violations of law in the past, but only with working out a
satisfactory relationship for the future. On the other hand, the fact
that there is a State board of mediation has made it possible for the
State labor relations board to concentrate its efforts on controversies
in which the choice of collective bargaining representatives or the
elimination of employer interference with self-organization is the
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board which merely involve a breakdown in negotiations, we are able
to tell them that they have come to the wrong doctor and to send them
down the hall to the place where they really belong. This is impor­
tant in establishing good will, since it means that unions give up the
effort of trying to prove that there has been a violation of law in
cases where the real remedy is not a formal hearing, but friendly
negotiation, with a State representative acting merely as catalytic
agent. Some members of the audience will recall that Dr. William
M. Leiserson, recently appointed as a member of the National Labor
Relations Board, recommended several months ago that a Federal
Mediation Board of equal dignity with the National Labor Relations
Board should be established to liandle disputes which are really the
subject of negotiation, rather than formal hearing and adjudication.
I f the relative success of New York’s dual system is to be a criterion,
I believe that this recommendation is worthy of further serious con­
sideration by both State and Federal labor officials.
It seems appropriate to conclude with this reference to the board
of mediation. The purpose of the State labor relations act is to
protect and encourage collective bargaining and to furnish demo­
cratic machinery to achieve the desired result. I am confident that
once the policy of the act is more fully understood and accepted, nor­
mal evolution will lead to a change of emphasis in government
intervention. It is to be hoped that as time goes on and the em­
ployers and employees of New York State become increasingly
accustomed to the principle of equal bargaining power, unfair labor
practices will tend to disappear and industrial elections will be held
as a matter of course. Thus, if good fortune continues to attend us
and the State labor relations board is permitted to seek the goal of
industrial peace under the present statute, its members may some day
succeed in working themselves out of a job. I f this ideal result
should be attained, a State board of mediation would still be needed.
Indeed, its duties would undoubtedly increase. Government would
find it decreasingly necessary to expend its effort upon the protection
of the rights of the weaker party in industrial disputes. It will be
able to concentrate its attention upon the more affirmative task of
assisting both employers and employees, bargaining on an equal plane,
in working out peacefully the terms of collective agreements.
D isc u ssio n

Mr. B ell (British Columbia). The subject o f industrial relations,
or, as it has been referred to, labor relations, opens an opportunity for
lengthy discussion. W e might say that practically every type of
labor legislation that we have on the statute books has its effect, to
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a greater or lesser extent, on labor relations. Our minimum-wage
laws, our hours-of-work laws, our statutes with regard to conditions
of labor, days of rest— all of these legal enactments have an effect,
to a greater or lesser extent, on labor relations.
I do not wish to wander too far afield and the few remarks that I
make will be confined to that type of legislation which I think has
the most direct influence on labor relations. I refer to the type of
legislation such as the Wagner Act that has been described here already
this morning, and an act which brings into operation conciliation,
mediation, and arbitration in industrial disputes. I feel that it might
be of interest to the members assembled here if I were to give a brief
summary of our experience in British Columbia in that connection.
W ith regard to industrial relations, we may say that there are
three factors which are brought into play. W e have capital; we have
labor; and we have the State. By “ capital” I mean employers;
by “labor” I mean employees; and by the “ State” I mean the depart­
ments of labor which are called upon to function in these circum­
stances. That sounds like a very simple proposition, and it would be
a simple proposition if we had only those three factors in simple
form. But we might take each of the three and on further analysis
find that each one is split up into subfactors, as we might term them.
For example, under the heading of “capital” and “employers” we
have employers’ organizations. And then we have the type already
referred to by Mr. Elliott as the feudal lords of industry who conduct
themselves in the autocratic manner which the term implies. Under
the heading of “labor” or “employees” we have our unions. Then we
have the rival unions who do not always cooperate or see eye to eye
on the same problems. Then we have, as we might as well speak
bluntly and frankly, the labor union racketeer. I am not speaking
offensively toward organized labor, and I would like to differentiate
between the bona fide and genuine organization as compared to the
labor racketeer as we know him and recognize him both in your
country and mine. Then we have the great mass of unorganized labor.
So that you see we have labor split up into a number of subheads which
all tend to make our problem more difficult.
Under the heading of “ State” we have a department of labor, and
there again we cannot say that in that particular respect we are
entirely free at all times from criticism because, whether we like
it or not, we find that political considerations sometimes enter into
the activities of labor departments, hampering their effective work,
retarding progressive legislation, and in that way further compli­
cating the situation and making it more difficult.
And then in all three cases we have the great, difficult question
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we are employees or connected with the State, we are all human
and all subject to the faults and failings that invariably go with
humanity.
I should like, as I said, to make some reference to the act that
we have in force in British Columbia. In 1937 we passed an act
entitled, “ The Industrial Conciliation and Arbitration Act, or an
Act Respecting the Right of Employees to Organize and Providing
for Conciliation and Arbitration of Industrial Disputes.” So far
as I know, it is the only act of its type. When I say “of its type,”
I mean exactly of its type on the North American continent. It
was designed after a comprehensive study of similar legislation, not
only on this continent but on other continents, such as Australia,
New Zealand, and many other places. It was, however, designed
to suit and meet our own immediate needs in British Columbia,
which, I venture to say, are not much different than the needs of
other places in this North American continent.
W e found considerable difficulty in the years prior to 1937 in
industrial disputes in British Columbia. Our hands were tied. The
efforts of the department were rendered ineffective, and it was de­
cided that it was high time that some effective legislation was placed
on the statutes that would empower the department to function
properly in such circumstances. W e already had the Industrial Dis­
putes Act of Canada, which was effective in all Provinces, but that
act was limited in its application to mines and public utilities, and
a great number of our disputes in British Columbia, as in other
Provinces, could not be classified under that heading. W e found
frequently in some of our major industries in British Columbia,
lumbering being one of them, that a strike would be on our hands
before we really had a chance to conciliate or mediate with the
parties concerned. W e also found that by the time the department
had been brought into the picture so much false and confusing in­
formation had been spread that the general public was ignorant as
to the real facts underlying the strike. So our minister of labor,
with commendable courage, practically took his political life in his
hands and decided that he would put through an act empowering
the department to take some hand in such matters. The act was
not popular at its inception. It was not well received either by
employers or employees. Organized labor criticized it very strongly.
But in spite of that, the act was placed on the statute books. Since
1937 we have continued to apply it with a good measure of success.
Today we find that those who so strongly objected to it at the start
are now ready to admit that it is functioning to their mutual benefit.
To describe briefly the provisions of the act, I may say that a dis­
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employer and a majority of all his employees or a majority of his
employees in any separate plant or department of his operation, as to
matters and things affecting either, etc., and then a general descrip­
tion of disputes goes on from that point. Then the act in the very
next section proclaims the right of employees to organize for any
lawful purpose. “The right of employees to organize for any law­
ful purpose is hereby recognized.55 I may say that the right of em­
ployees to organize was never illegal in Canada. They always had
that right, but the right was not affirmed by law. Here we have a
practical affirmation or declaration of principle that employees have
the right to organize for any legal purpose. In regard to collective
bargaining, the act says, “It shall be lawful for employees to bargain
collectively with their employers and to elect their representative by
a majority vote of the employees affected, and any employer or em­
ployee refusing so to bargain shall be liable to a fine not exceeding
$500 for each offense.55
That section was not well received by organized labor. Several
trade unions took the position that no recognition was made of
organized labor. However, it was pointed out to them that in any
case where a union had control of the majority of the employees, all
that was necessary was for the majority to so inform the minister
and union officials or anyone else appointed by them could act on
their behalf. However, that did not satisfy them and, as I say,
organized labor was anxious to have something in the act that would
specifically mention the powers and responsibility of a union in
these circumstances. So at the next session of the legislature that
section was amended. It now reads, “It shall be lawful for em­
ployees to bargain collectively with their employers and if the ma­
jority of the employees are on the 7th day of September, 1938,
organized into a trade union, to conduct such bargaining through the
officers of such trade union,” etc.
Then the next section of the act goes on to provide the method
and machinery for handling industrial disputes. I may say that
this act does not prevent a strike, but it places a strike in the last
position instead of in the first. No strike can take place until the
question has been subjected to conciliation first, and if conciliation
fails, to arbitration later on. The procedure is this: When the
minister is informed of a dispute which has all the possibilities of
a strike, or when he of his own account may discern such a condi­
tion, he appoints a conciliation commission. The conciliation com­
missioner acts in the usual way that a conciliator does. His powers
are clearly set out in the act. He gets both parties together and
tries to effect an amicable settlement. In a great many cases he is
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you can only get them to the point of sitting down around one com­
mon table and frankly and honestly discussing their problems, they
can in the majority of cases come to some fair understanding. But
if that fails and the conciliation commissioner so reports, the next
step is arbitration.
The appointment of an arbitration board is. in the usual way.
Each side appoints a member and the two members appoint a chair­
man. Now, the board meets and brings in an award or a report,
which is sent to the minister. That report is made public, and it
is then put before the employees concerned and the employees vote
by secret ballot on the acceptance or nonacceptance of the board’s
award. That vote is conducted by a representative of the depart­
ment of labor.
Here I might digress for one moment to give you a concrete exam­
ple of the benefit that is to be derived from an association such as
the I. A . G. L. O. In 1937, when we met in Toronto, the Wagner
Act was under discussion. W e had heard Mr. Herzog’s paper, which
has been referred to today. Some questions were asked and I was
extremely interested in the proceedings that followed. I asked ques­
tions and found out all that I could about your method under the
Wagner Act of taking the ballot of employees, and that is why it
was inserted in the Industrial Conciliation and Arbitration Act of
British Columbia. I was convinced of its practicability and value
by the discussion that took place at our meeting in Toronto. I men­
tion that just to emphasize the value of conferences such as this.
Returning to my subject, the vote I have spoken of is taken by
secret ballot and may be presided over by a representative of the
department of labor, and the employees may either accept or reject
the award. After 14 days they are free to strike or to take what­
ever course they think best, but throughout the whole procedure the
time limit is set. A limit is set wherein the conciliation minister
must function; a time limit is set for the appointment of the board
and for the report of the board. These time limits are the maximum
limits, but in the majority of cases the various functions can be
carried out in a shorter time.
I might mention one more section which was put in at the request
of organized labor, and that is the section which provides that where
there is between an employer and an organization of employees an
agreement approved in writing by the minister for the arbitration
of disputes, the employer and organization shall, so long as the agree­
ment remains in force, be exempt from the provisions of sections 10
to 46 of this act. That means that where a union and the employer
have a signed agreement, the minister may approve the agreement,
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not apply. You will readily see that in such circumstances there
is no occasion for the act to apply, because practically every agree­
ment of that kind has ample provision for conciliation and media­
tion between the parties concerned. There is no occasion to bring
the act into play as long as the agreement exists, because the two
parties get together and in the great majority of cases settle their
differences without any disruption of industry.
This was put in the act at the request of organized labor, as I said,
so that, as you see, we went quite a long way with all the parties
concerned and tried to make the act as fair and reasonable as pos­
sible.
The underlying principle of the act is to make the strike the last
thing instead of the first and to be sure that the wish and will of the
majority of the employees prevails, whether they are organized or
unorganized. The minister took the position that he was not pre­
pared, when an individual asserting to be the representative of certain
workmen came to the department and said, “I am here representing
the men down in that plant who have a dispute with their employer,”
to take that man’s word for it. The minister said, “ So far as I am
concerned, I want those men to tell me that you are representing
them, not you to tell me you are representing them.” So it is in
that way that our act is functioning in British Columbia, and, as
I say, functioning very satisfactorily at the present time.
W e have some difficult conditions in British Columbia. W e have
our industrial centers where our labor organizations function in the
same way as they function in other large centers throughout the whole
country, and then we have our difficulties in the more sparsely popu­
lated districts where, in a great many cases, the workmen are not
conversant with the procedure of union activities. For example,
take our logging industry. Not so very long ago, when we had any
serious trouble and the industry was tied up throughout the whole
Province, it was a common thing for a meeting to be called. Many
of you know the type, I am sure, that loggers are. They meet in a
hall, rather confused with smoke and other things, and the chairman
calls the meeting to what is termed “order,” and says, “ Now, we are
here, boys, to take a strike ballot. Hands up, everybody in favor
of a strike! A ll the scabs get out the door!”
Again, on one occasion I was dealing with a dispute in one of our
metal mines way up in the northern part of the Province, where some
of the miners had been organized into the Mining, Mill, and Smelter
Workers Union of America, which formerly belonged to the A . F. of
L. and later swung to the C. I. O. column. It was at a place far
removed from the larger centers of population, and some of the papers
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movement. I had occasion to go up there with another gentleman,
who was a member of my board, to find out what all this subversive
movement was and to inquire into what was going on; what serious
threat was being made against the liberties and constitution of the
country. I found a group of miners who were in this particular
union, but they did not know whether they were in the C. I. O. or
the Salvation Army. They knew they were in a labor union. They
wanted a little more money, but they didn’t know much about unions.
They thought I was talking about Joe Louis when I talked of John
Lewis. That is the type of problem we run up against.
In conclusion I just want to say that we find that the act is func­
tioning very satisfactorily in British Columbia. W e have already
had four arbitration boards. On three occasions the recommendation
or award or report of the board has been unanimous. In the other
case, it was not. But one instance where the men subsequently went
on strike was in one of the cases where the board brought in a unani­
mous award. They repudiated the decision and action of their own
member on that board. W e have had about 50 or 60 conciliation
commissions, and you just cannot estimate the value of the work they
are doing. You cannot see the strikes that are averted. They are
hidden. You cannot tell how many minor disputes might have devel­
oped into serious strikes, but you can be sure of this, that every dis­
pute that is nipped in the bud destroys the possibility of a strike in
that instance. Every dispute is a potential strike. In British Co­
lumbia our conciliation commissioners have gone in and have effected
settlements, and nobody knows how far these things might have
gone if they had not been settled at the start.
I trust that my few remarks as to what we are trying to do in
British Columbia in this connection may be of some interest. This
is a very pressing problem, and I wish to assure you that if any of
you would be interested in having a copy of our act in British Colum­
bia, I should be only too glad to furnish you with a copy.
Mr. M orton (Virginia). It has been said here that most of the
employers are good men, who are willing to abide by the law and
anxious to do what is right, and that there are only about 2 percent
who do not want to obey the law. But the pity of it is, my friends,
that so many in that 2 percent are people of influence and they have,
to some extent, brought the law into disrepute by their arguments
and by the spending of money, and wTe must not discount that fact.
I note the large number of cases, as reported here, that have been
settled without coming to trial. I am not sure this is complimentary
to the Board, because in the early stages there were delays. The only
criticism that I have heard is that the cases were not heard promptly,
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and the delays. In Virginia, that has been a serious criticism, but
the situation has improved in recent months.
In reference to my own State, Virginia is one of the few States
whose legislature meets in the first 3 months of 1940, and out of my
experience, I expect to recommend many additions to and changes in
the present laws. The papers that I have heard, together with the
discussions, will be of great value to me in presenting information to
the various committees, and I shall feel free to call on you, the repre­
sentatives of other States, in my effort to find out how some of these
ideas have worked out in your experience. I shall also call on Mr.
Lubin and other officials of this Association. In my opinion, this
illustrates one of the real benefits derived from meetings of this Asso­
ciation of Governmental Labor Officials.




H ou sin g
Housing for the Am erican W orker
By

Jo

h n

W.

E

d e lm a n

,

U n ite d S ta t e s H o u s in g A u t h o r it y

I do not think it is necessary for me to “sell” the public housing
program here. I think that the position I should take before this
group this morning is that it is interested in knowing some of the
more recent developments of the program of the United States Hous­
ing Authority. You are the natural friends and allies of the pro­
gram, and it is my role to ask your assistance rather than attempt
to “sell” you something.
In opening my talk before this Association of Governmental Labor
Officials may I mention that there is now a group of people in the
United States, the members and the professional employees of local
housing authorities, with whom, probably, you should have a very
much closer relationship than now exists.
W e have in the United States today well over 250 housing authori­
ties actually functioning. In many instances, in the larger com­
munities, they have sizable staffs, as their local programs run into
several millions. In time, no doubt, some kind of relationship will
be developed between that group and your organization. It seems
to me that these officials must look more and more towards organi­
zations such as yours and to the agencies you represent for the
assistance and understanding needed in developing the public housing
program.
Originally, some of us thought that public housing should be not
merely for the lowest income group but for the middle-income group
also. The first governmental experience in this field resulted in
housing which did not reach the very lowest income families. As a
result, the idea became widely accepted that public housing was
unable to meet the needs of lowest income families. Today, however,
we are reaching the lowest income group and the lowest income
group alone. Tomorrow, also, our efforts will be confined to this
group.
Granted that there is a serious housing problem facing the middleincome families, those earning from around $1,100 a year to about
$1,700 or $1,800 a year, the United States Housing Authority cannot
assume the responsibility for solving that problem. A ll that the
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lem is that the U S H A will not compete with private industry in
solving it.
The U S H A was established in 1937. It is a Federal corporation
with power to make loans and grants-in-aid to localities for slum
clearance and development of low-rent housing projects. It makes
loans to local housing authorities to cover 90 percent of the develop­
ment cost of these projects. The other 10 percent is raised by local
borrowing from sources other than the Federal Government. After
a project is built the U S H A makes grants to the local authority
to bridge the gap between the rents which slum dwellers can afford
to pay and the amount necessary to cover all maintenance and oper­
ating expenses of the project. These annual contributions extend
over the whole life of the project. To supplement the Federal
annual contributions and to make the rents even lower, the local
annual contribution is generally in the form of complete tax ex­
emption.
The planning, construction, ownership, and operation of all housing
projects rests entirely with the local housing authorities, which are
public agencies, generally, but not necessarily, independent of city
governments. There are 39 States today which have enabling housing
legislation.
The U S H A has up to this point earmarked about $650,000,000 for
localities throughout the country. As of May 16, 1939, 45 projects
were actually under construction and new projects were entering the
construction stage at the rate of about 20 a month, which means that
about 8,000 dwelling units were going under construction each month.
By the end of 1939, it is estimated, nearly 200 projects will be under
construction.
Under the present program 160,000 families will be transferred from
the slums into decent houses. The rentals on these projects, which
are fixed in conformity with the formula prescribed by the Housing
Act, will range from the low of about $7 per month per family dwell­
ing unit in the South to the high of about $17 per month per unit in
the North, and will reach families with annual incomes ranging from
about $500 in the South to about $1,050 in the northern cities. In
short, this program will reach down to the vast majority of the
very low income families.
Public housing today is firmly grounded in local initiative and
local responsibility. Yesterday public housing was based on Federal
initiative and Federal responsibility. There were a few States with
adequate State housing legislation when the act was passed in 1937.
There were only a bare handful of housing authorities. The location
of projects was decided upon in Washington, plans were drawn up
there, completed projects were managed through Washington. The
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are by no means lacking in initiative and resourcefulness. The num­
ber of local authorities has grown from 46 to 250. The red tape
that results from centralization has been cut to a minimum, while
the efficiency and flexibility of the program have grown.
I f I may say a word on the very much debated question of subsidy,
there has been more misrepresentation on this question than on any
other phase of the program. The subsidy is basic. Without it,
the lowest income groups could not be reached. A t the same time,
the cost to the taxpayer is extremely small. The annual local grant
which every project receives in the form of exemption from local taxes
is always more than counterbalanced by the annual benefits which
the community receives in the form of decreased costs for combating
crime, disease, and fires in the slum areas. The annual Federal
grants are counterbalanced by the benefit the Government receives
through increased employment, increased production in the entire
construction industry, and increased national income. Moreover,
since funds for Federal aid to public housing are now granted on
an annual basis rather than a lump sum, the burden on the national
budget is extremely slight. Under the present program, for instance,
the maximum net cost of the annual grants-in-aids— and that figure
could not be reached for another 2 years or so— is only about
$18,000,000 a year. Under the expanding program to be authorized
by the bill which is still before the House, the net cost of subsidizing
some 400,000 new homes for families now living in slums would
amount to about $53,000,000 a year, or only about eight-tenths of 1
percent of the total expenditures under the national budget for the
fiscal year 1940.
W e expect, of course, to reduce the annual subsidy as costs are
reduced, and we hope to make a smaller subsidy cover a larger num­
ber as development costs decrease, or a rise in workers’ incomes may
make it possible to reduce the Federal grants-in-aids for new projects
and for projects that have already been built.
On the question of construction costs, I should like to say just one
word. Today our costs are low for a multitude of reasons. W e
have learned from the early experiments. Construction is now car­
ried on through the normal local building channels. Building trade
unions have been extremely cooperative. Attention is given to a
thousand small economies. Basements, which are nearly always
costly, are eliminated and radiators are installed in interior walls
so that they may heat more than one room at a time.
Let me give you a few averages. The net construction cost for
a U S H A dwelling is only $2,841, while the net cost of a privately
built house in the same locality, according to figures gathered by the
Bureau of Labor Statistics, is, on the other hand, about $3,655.
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than 20 percent lower. This record is all the more notable when
you remember that our public housing projects are built to last for
at least 60 years, which is not the case with private housing, and
that prevailing rates are paid to construction labor, which is not
the case on most of the private housing which is being built on an
average cost somewhat higher than ours. These figures which I
have been using are all net construction costs.
How about over-all development costs? How do our costs run
when we include land, community facilities, and everything else?
Well, the trend in our over-all costs is steadily downward. In the
15 months from March 1938 to June 1939, 15 groups of projects
were approved by the President. In the first of these groups, the
over-all cost of new housing averaged a little more than $5,000 per
dwelling. In the last three of these groups, the over-all cost hovered
around $4,000 per dwelling. W e predict that these costs will soon
approach from $3,500 to $3,000 a dwelling. More than a score of
projects have already been approved where the over-all costs will
be only about $3,000 per dwelling.
Most of you, of course, know that there is a great deal of mis­
apprehension as to what a public housing development is. You prob­
ably thought that it was necessarily apartment houses. That is not
the case. O f 55 projects now under construction, only 5 are exclu­
sively multifamily dwellings of three or more stories, and of these
5 only 2, right in the heart of New York City, are more than three
stories high. Most of the projects are composed of one- or two-story
houses or two-story flats. In a few projects, you will find separate
two-family dwellings with open spaces on all sides. Even within
a project there is a great variety of building types. Recent dwellings
completed in Jacksonville, Fla., which are now occupied, consist of
both one- and two-story dwellings and row houses and two-family
buildings. In the future this tendency toward variety will be still
more accentuated. Local technicians will undoubtedly produce a
still greater variety of forms, thereby opening up new vistas for
American architecture.
In past years, many of us thought public housing was merely a
means of tearing down slums and replacing them with new and
better built buildings. Today, when the public housing dream has
become true, we are coming to realize that erecting new dwellings
for families that have been living in slums is not enough. Our phi­
losophy today is that a project must provide a new community life
also. W e refute categorically the idea that a local housing author­
ity should build a few dwellings here and another few in another
spot. W e insist that homes built under the public housing program
be integrated into a large-scale community development and not be
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In serving these broad purposes, how does a housing program fit in
with such other social measures as collective bargaining, wage and hour
legislation, and social security laws? A chief characteristic of these
more traditional social measures depend for their success on a nice
adjustment with other factors which they neither embrace nor con­
trol. Collective bargaining, to be successful and equitable, must
reckon with a fair rate of profits. Social security must be reconciled
with a tax structure* that does not hamper business. Shorter hours
must be arranged without loss of profits. They all involve the rec­
onciliation of various group interests and the modification of lesser
interests in behalf of greater ones.
Housing is a nonpartisan issue. It is concrete and dramatic. It
helps business. It helps industry, in the Nation as well as the lo­
cality. Thus it combines economic desirability with political feasi­
bility, and these two must be combined by a practical process if we
are to save democracy from the forces which threaten it throughout
the world.
H o w to Get Good Housing for Workers
By P h il ip M. K l u t z n ic k ,

O m a h a , N e b r ., H o u s in g A u t h o r it y

The problem of public housing has been very clearly delineated in
a general way by the preceding speaker. I happen to be one of those
individuals who is charged in a minor way with the progress of the
program in a local community— Omaha, Nebr.
W e are proud of the fact that Nebraska was the first State west of
the Mississippi to secure enabling legislation. W e in Omaha, in com­
mon with you in Tulsa and elsewhere, have for years been boasting
of the fact— at least, our chamber of commerce has done a good job—
that there are no slums in Omaha and that it is a beautiful and clean
city and a fine place to come to, but our claims in respect to the lack
of slums were akin only to the claim of sunny weather by the Los
Angeles Chamber of Commerce.
W e were quite astounded a few years ago to find that, while
slums in the sense of tenement houses did not exist in Omaha, there
were very definitely blighted areas, areas of deterioration, areas
wherein private capital had remained aloof, which had resulted in
the creation of housing conditions that were as deplorable as the
worst slums in the city of New York or elsewhere.
My subject is how we can provide homes for workers, how to get
good housing for workers, and before I can tell you how to get good
housing for workers, I think it is important to recognize the existence
of the problem and the fact that there is bad housing for workers
in many communities today. W e found in Omaha, for instance, that
out of 60,489 dwelling units, by actual survey, 8,900 were unfit for use




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or in need of major repairs. O f this number 6,246 were occupied by
tenants who could afford to pay a rental of $20 a month or less. We
found that 10,868 were without adequate plumbing for sanitation fa­
cilities, and 9,187 were overcrowded, and that, mind you, in a com­
munity that for 50 years had boasted of a complete absence of slums.
The problem would answer itself if these 6,246 tenant families could
be transported from their inadequate and unsanitary and indecent
housing into decent environment. We looked at our vacancies
and we found that at the same time we had a complete vacancy list
of only 3.3 percent or about 2,000 units, and that of these 2,000 units
nearly 500 were unfit for use or were in need of major repairs, and of
the remaining number, less than 200 could be used for families who
could afford to pay the type of rental that we are speaking about.
Only a few weeks ago I had occasion to cross-examine a real-estate
man in connection with a hearing that involved these various ques­
tions. This hearing was being held before the city council to deter­
mine whether or not we should take on another public housing £>roject,
and I asked the gentleman, “ For the sake of your business and forget­
ting everything else, what percentage of vacancy would be normal
for such a city as Omaha?” And, remembering that he was our
antagonist and not our friend, he still said that Omaha should have
normally a 5 percent vacancy in order to provide for the shift in popu­
lation.
That, briefly, was the problem. We found that we had families of
the working class and those who were on relief that could not find a
place with a decent, standard environment to go into. We then ad­
dressed ourselves to the question, Could existing methods of operation,
could private enterprise, cope with the problem? And here is what
we found. From 1930 to 1937 in our city 1,870 new dwelling units
were erected; during that same period of time 472 were demolished,
leaving a net increase of 1,398 dwelling units in the 7-year period.
We found that we had had an increase in population during that same
period of time of 2,052 families, which indicated clearly to us that
private enterprise in its building activity had failed by 654 dwelling
units to meet the increased need, assuming that conditions in 1930
were normal insofar as housing was concerned, without regard to
deterioration, obsolescence, and the necessary replacements that must
take place in housing. We further found that the average cost of
each of these 1,870 dwelling units was $5,750, meaning most clearly
that in no sense did this type of construction cope with the problem
that confronted our community.
So we entered into a public housing program. Omaha was one
of the places where one of the 51 demonstration projects was erected
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and, as has already indicated, the standards, the rentals, were not
altogether sufficient to meet the need of the low-income family.
We have now entered into a program of two additional housing
projects in Omaha under the United States Housing Act of 1937.
The gentleman who discussed the National Labor Relations Act
this morning made a very significant statement. He said that any
law that changes the status brings criticism from those who have
an interest in the status quo. What is true of the National Labor
Relations Act is equally true of the United States Housing Act in
many localities. There are those who believe themselves intentionally
or unintentionally harmed by what is happening under this particular
act. The result is that certain criticisms have been directed against
public housing which I feel should be discussed here in concluding
my particular portion of the program.
I believe, first of all, that many of the criticisms that are leveled
against the public housing program today are splendid examples
of lack of information. In Omaha, as well as in other communities,
some of those criticisms are as follow s:
(1) You increase the tax load. Let us examine that argument.
The argument is that when you remove tax-paying property and
you substitute in its stead tax-exempt property, that you increase the
tax load. We removed 134 dwelling units from a certain area that
had an annual tax bill in excess of $4,000. Actual payment experience
disclosed that over a period of 5 years it paid only $917, despite a
number of tax sales. When we acquired the property, on one piece we
had to pay taxes for nearly 20 years. We have taken over two addi­
tional areas since that time, and the experience has been exactly the
same. The fact of the matter is that we are now making a payment
in lieu of taxes to the tax-collection agencies, and we find that our
payment in lieu of taxes is actually 25 to 30 percent more in dollars
and cents than the amount of tax money that was collected from the
areas which were destroyed.
Let us assume that even that is not so. Let us say that no pay­
ments in lieu of taxes were being made. What is the cost to a com­
munity of a public housing program? We found that, by developing
a $1,400,000 project which would accommodate 274 families, a $100
tax bill, if the loss in taxes was to be taken into consideration, would
be increased by 1% cents. We discovered also that if we were to
take all the areas in Omaha that need demolition—and we estimate
a minimum pool of such dwelling units as 5,000—we could com­
pletely rehouse those 5,000 families and it would increase a $100
tax bill, if no payment in lieu of taxes were made, by only 50 cents.
The contributing factors are clearly these: First (and the most
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are located do not contribute to the upkeep of government; second
(which I have not taken into consideration in my computations), there
are benefits that more than offset the increased cost. This is an
interesting example. At the time that this last project was pending
before the city council of Omaha, involving $1,400,000 of construc­
tion, there was likewise pending a new W P A project, and at that
time, on a comparative basis, to bring $1,400,000 worth of W P A work
to the city o f Omaha the city had to put up $210,000. A t the present
time, under the new regulations, that amount would be $350,000. The
W P A program called for an investment of $2.33 per $100 tax bill.
For the equivalent amount of work, with more permanent benefits in
the maintenance and the rebuilding of human lives, the $1,400,000
program of public housing called for a net contribution of $90,000
over a period of 60 years by removing from the tax roll those houses
that we intended to demolish.
(2) Not only is the tax load increased on the part of others, but
the tax income of the tax-collection agencies is decreased. In Omaha
in 1937 before the first public housing project was opened, the total
amount of taxes collected from real property by the city was
$1,571,000. After the opening of the project, a year later, we col­
lected $1,628,000.
(3) Public housing is stopping private construction, is the third
argument. In the first 6 months of 1938, 3 months of which was
prior to the opening of the first public housing project in the city of
Omaha, we built $836,000 worth of residential structures in Omaha.
In the first 6 months of 1939, we built $3,282,000 worth of residential
units in Omaha.
I cite these arguments principally because I want to indicate to you
that in this business of providing good housing for workers of the
minimum-income group, you must be prepared to meet the same
type of criticism, much of it unintentionally uninformed, and much
of it dictated by that small percentage of influential people whose
interest it is to maintain the status quo.
The effects of a public housing program are too numerous really
to delineate at this time. I have in mind the case of a young lady
who had one child and a mother to support and who was earning $18
a week. She had to break up her family. Her mother went to live
with a relative and the child lived with the mother. She saw that
child once every month or so, as she could get away from the city
in which she lived. Public housing made it possible, because of
our ability to provide proper, decent environment for families of
the low-income group, to bring that whole family back together under
one roof.
I also have in mind the case of a young man who happened to
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and who, because of economic circumstances, lost his position and
found it necessary to go to work as a common laborer, earning $20
to $21 a week. He had a wife and child to support. It was im­
possible for that young man to continue to live in the environment
to which he had become accustomed. The question was, Were we
to catapult him and his wife and child into these deteriorated, un­
sanitary, indecent environments that are the breeding places of dis­
ease, juvenile delinquency, and social incompetence? No; we gave
him and his family an opportunity to continue in a decent, upstand­
ing environment. These cases can be multiplied many times. We
have open today 284 units. Within a year we will open another
522, and within 18 months, an additional 272 dwelling units in
Omaha. For the 284 units that are now open, we have 300 eligible
applicants on the waiting list, and this from the immediate area in
which the project is located.
When I visualize our contact with housing in the city of Omaha
over a period of 6 years now, and think of the thousands of mem­
bers of local housing authorities who under the law serve without
compensation, 1 remember the story that is told about three work­
men who were on a road, breaking rock. A stranger approached
them and said to the first worker, “What are you doing, my friend?”
And the fellow said, “I ’m earning $2.50 a day.” He went to the
second workman and asked what he was doing, and he said, “ I am
breaking rock.” He went to the third workman and he asked him,
“ My friend, what are you doing?” The fellow pointed to a magni­
ficent structure on the hill, a temple, and said, “ I am helping build
that temple.” When I think of the efforts that have been directed
toward providing good housing and creating better citizenship, bet­
ter environment for the masses of low-income families in a com­
munity, I cannot help but feel that the members of local housing
authorities are truly helping to build magnificent temples for the
preservation of democracy in this country.
D is c u s s io n

Mr. H o b e n (National Association of Housing Officials). I should
like to broaden this picture a little, now that you have a specific view
of both the Federal and local activities, and point out a few of the
ramifications of a housing program locally and a few points upon
which this activity may touch the labor officials directly.
In the first place, I should like to point out that before long we will
have to draw some distinction between the range or the scope of the
public housing program and the range or the scope of general wel­
fare programs, and I use the word “ welfare” in a broad sense, to
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include the work of labor officials. In other words, what can and
what cannot this housing movement do? I think those of us who
have been working in it for some time realize that we have a housing
movement because of an accumulation of a lot of conditions that have
been growing for the past 100 years at least—an accumulation of
problems in city planning, in zoning, in public health, to mention a
few. With the advent of the public housing movement, too many
of us locally looked to this movement to end all of the many munici­
pal ills, especially as long as the Federal Government was contribut­
ing all of the necessary subsidy. Now that the program has become
decentralized, now that the locality must contribute part of the
annual subsidy necessary, we must begin to ask questions of ourselves.
W ill we be able with these housing subsidies, for instance, to make
up for all of the deficiencies in wage policies; to make up for all of
the mistakes in land planning which have allowed congestion, which
have allowed such indiscriminate mixing of land uses that we have
houses next to glue factories and stockyards, there is no plan of trans­
portation, and there is no decent neighborhood where a family would
want to live and bring up its children. It is easy to say, “ As long as
there is money available, we will wipe out the whole thing and start
over again.” At the same time, our local officials are constantly being
pressed to house the so-called lowest income group. But right there
we must have a definite understanding. You might say the lowest
income group is any family having $1 a year. I f you use housing
subsidies to put that family into a decent house, you are undoubtedly
subsidizing a wage policy which should not be tolerated, whether or
not there is a housing program.
Likewise the question has been raised in some communities as to
whether, when you go in with a public housing program with a
moderate amount of subsidy, there will not be a tendency, on the
part of certain large-scale employers especially, to keep wages down.
They may feel that because a housing subsidy is available to these
people they do not need so high a wage. That tendency will have
to be watched very closely by the labor officials in communities that
engage in a considerable amount of public housing.
Other problems will come to the attention of labor officials. From
time to time there has been discussion of the annual wage in place
o f the hourly wage in the building trades as a way of lowering costs.
Most of the building trades have resisted these suggestions, and rightly
so. They have pointed out that there is absolutely no prospect of such
sufficient and continuous employment as to justify reduction of the
hourly wage. They might agree to an annual wage and then when
the employment runs out, they would be unable to reestablish the
hourly wages for which they have fought for so many years. When
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of the permanency and the size of the public housing program and
an entirely new relationship of government to this program, in order
that it may be able to give a sufficient guaranty of the continuance of
the program to provide labor with some reasonable promise of
employment.
Changes in construction methods, although they have not been
striking in the past few years, are going to raise some very serious
problems for the labor officials. At the present time, the Govern­
ment agencies, both Federal and local, engaged in this housing pro­
gram, have found that very little of the new materials and methods
have been sufficiently tried and tested really to reduce costs, but that
research is going on all the time. There are many developments
just around the corner that will require an entirely new attitude on
the part of labor towards construction.
As I see it, it will be absolutely impossible in the period which
we are now entering, for us to keep on dividing up the responsibilities
of building-trades people according to the sharp trades distinctions
we now have. I f labor isi so short-sighted as to insist upon those
distinctions (the type of distinction that has led to jurisdictional
strikes in many cases) I am quite sure that some large industrial
operator will sooner or later turn his back upon the building trades
and say, “W e’ll do the whole job under the industrial process. W e’ll
do the whole job in the factory. W e’ll not try to get the plumbing
trades, heating trades, etc., to go along with us while we gradually
change this house-production method. W e’ll introduce prefabricated
bathroom fixtures, roofing, etc., because under the present attitude,
in many cases when minute improvement in construction and lowering
of costs are proposed on a job, intertrade jealousies immediately tie
up that job.” It seems to me that we will have to have a slightly
different attitude on the part of the building trades or we may face
a situation such as I have mentioned, where large industrial opera­
tors come in, ignore the building trades entirely, and do nine-tenths
of the operations in factories, paying a monthly or weekly industrial
wage rate rather than the customary trades wages.
I should like to point out that the question of how far we go with
public housing and what standards we use will have to be decided
locally. We must first decide what is a decent standard of accommo­
dation, and then we must decide how much we are willing to pay to
achieve that accommodation.
I want to add just one word of warning. When you get into local
discussions of this housing program, make sure you start from the
bottom up, that you know what you are going to do, that you realize
that you cannot remake your entire city in a few years with only
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from Washington, and a little subsidy locally in the form of tax
exemption.
I am glad that Mr. Edelman brought out the need for cooperation
between various groups of public officials, because I represent a
professional association of officials in housing very much as your
association represents officials in labor. We are a nonprofit, non­
partisan organization.
Our members are largely men like Mr.
Klutznick who are on the firing line locally and are facing day-to-day
problems. We have had numerous contacts with lay people and
with officials in other fields and hope to have many more in the future.
M r . M o r t o n (Virginia). I should like to know how they select the
families that move into these developments, and, before my question
is answered, I want to say that it is very important to me. The State
has passed enabling legislation, but we have not made much use of
it. The mayor in Richmond has bitterly opposed it and the city
council is divided. In a study of the subject, they have inspected
one of the housing projects in Broooklyn. Some of them have come
back with the argument that the housing was not benefiting the
people it was intended to benefit; that the rents were too high; that
the poorer people were moving from slums in one part of the city
to slums in another; and that the people who were able to pay higher
rents were taking advantage of the situation. That is the argument
of the members of the council and I should like to know how to
answer it.

Mr. H o b e n (Illinois). That comes right back to the point I made,
that we will have to determine what the rents are to be in the first
place, because the Federal contribution is limited to a given maxi­
mum in a year. From there on the amount you contribute locally,
either through tax exemption or other means, is going to decide your
rent level and therefore how far you can go down the economic scale.
Every local authority within my knowledge that has developed a
United States housing authority to finance a project has taken fami­
lies out of housing that is classified as absolutely substandard. I
mean by that that it lacks sufficient windows, is overcrowded, or
lacks sanitary facilities. I think the local authorities have sufficient
records to back that up. The public, of course, views this program
as being worth while if it takes in the very lowest income people.
That brings the question back to this point: Are you willing to pay
enough in subsidy to take the indigent unemployable and put them
in this better grade of housing at the present time? You can do it
if you want to do it, if you want to pay for it.
There is such a tremendous need for housing in the entire lowerincome group that it is unfair to criticize the program because it is not
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$400 and $500 a year and putting them in this housing. That is
purely and simply a question of whether you are willing to pay the
price in subsidy, and whether housing subsidies alone are the way
to reach this class.
As to how the families are selected, there are a number of criteria
set forth in the Federal legislation, and the local authority must
work within those broad rules. They must live in substandard
houses. They must not earn in excess of five times the rental, or if
they have more than two dependent children, not more than six
times the rental. Once you have decided how far down you can go
on the rentals, then you can decide exactly what income groups you
are going to hit. Then there are many other restrictions that the
local authorities may establish, such as 1 year’s residence in the city,
so as to exclude transients. All local authorities try to give pref­
erence to people with children, because they feel the beneficial effect
of improved housing is much greater on the children than on the
adults. We are trying to build up normal communities of lowincome families, not to create a segregation of people who are on
relief and who are in such narrow income limits that they feel insti­
tutionalized and that there is no normal community life.
Mr. E d e l m a n . I want to add just one word to Mr. Hoben’s very
able explanation. What will normally happen in a city like Rich­
mond is that, in addition to having trained assistance in tenant
selection from the USHA, an advisory council will be established
(or should be, if it follows the experience of other cities), consisting
of social workers, labor and business people, and other key people in
the community to assist the authority in selecting the tenants. The
advisory committee should advise on local needs and problems and
aid in selecting tenants in such a manner that the community will
approve of what is being done and support the entire undertaking.
Mr. D u r k i n (Illinois). On several occasions in the discussion of
low-cost housing, there has been raised the question of annual earn­
ings for building tradesmen versus high hourly earnings. I wonder
if any of the previous experiences has provided an answer to the
question as to how annual earnings can be guaranteed to building
tradesmen.
Mr. E d e l m a n . That is rather a ticklish question from my stand­
point. The only possible answer to it is “ legislative action.” I f the
Congress of the United States, at the request of large masses of the
voters, would provide such an adequate program that you could
guarantee a substantial volume of employment, then the question
seems practical. My own private and personal opinion—it is not
an official view—is that you cannot discuss it realistically at this
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Mr. D u r k i n . I might say that your answer to the question is as to
who should do it and not how it should be done. My question was,
How can it be done ? How can an annual wage be guaranteed to the
building-trades men so that they may change now from the high
hourly wage to an annual wage? You state that it must be done by
legislation, but how?
Mr. E d e l m a n . I f the local authorities had sufficient funds to get
a very large volume of public construction under way in all the com­
munities of the United States, so that you could actually guarantee
a given number of men in a given locality so much employment, then
it would be time to discuss the question.
Mr. D u r k i n . Let us get at one thing. Are we going to build
beyond the need? Are we going to guarantee to keep those people
working when we have no people to move in and occupy the buildings ?
Mr. E d e l m a n . Are you assuming that we are likely to fill the need
for many years to come?
Mr. D u r k i n . I say that already there has been reached in many
areas a greater vacancy than there is demand. In other words, the
selection in many places exceeds that percentage that is generally
accepted as a proper percentage of selection.
Mr.

E

delm an.

I simply cannot agree with that yiew.

Mr. D u r k i n . When you go in to buy a hat, the salesman must have
a certain number of hats on the shelf in order to give you proper se­
lection, and he does not need any more than that. It is the same way
with houses. I f a person wants to rent a home within a certain
rental, what is he going to do ? Are we to have thousands and thou­
sands of home in that bracket that probably never will be rented, in
order to guarantee wages to keep those people employed; or are we
going to say that after a certain percentage of vacancies occurs, there
will be no building but the worker will still receive his pay check?
Mr. E d e l m a n . O f course, housing will not be undertaken merely
for the purpose of providing employment. Housing is undertaken
to fill the need for better homes in a given locality, and the question
o f employment is, of course, a necessary outcome of filling this need.
My assumption is that it is going to be a long time before we are
within reaching distance of meeting the need of either the very lowest
income group or the groups in slightly higher brackets, with which
this particular program is not at the present moment able to deal.
That is my assumption, and it is a question of statistical fact which
is susceptible of proof.
On the other hand, let me also make perfectly clear to you one
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fundamental and basic features of the United States Housing Act,
which I did not stress but which Mr. Klutznick referred to but also did
not feature, is the equivalent-demolition requirement. For every
dwelling unit put up under the present program, the local community
must demolish or repair an equivalent unit. We are finding, however,
that there is such an acute housing shortage in the vast majority of
American communities that the local authorities are besieged with
requests to delay enforcement of the equivalent-demolition section
of the act until such time as a certain percentage of new dwellings are
constructed, so that they may have some place to move those whose
homes will be demolished. One of the greatest difficulties that this
program has run into in practice is that when you go into a slum
area and start to demolish in order to build, you find that the tenants
refuse to move because they cannot find places to move to at the same
rental they are paying at the time. In some places this has become a
community issue of major proportions. Under the terms of this
act you will never get a surplus of housing, because you must demolish
one substandard home for every new dwelling unit constructed.
Mr. D u r k i n . I am not opposed to low^-cost housing. I want to
get that idea straight. I am talking now of annual wages versus
hourly rates, and when you talk of changing the pay structure, you
must consider, not only low-cost housing, but also building construc­
tion. You cannot divide the two. You are also setting an hourly
rate for other than low-cost housing, for when you change the wage
structure, you change to annual wages for other than low-cost housing.
One of the previous speakers spoke of plumbing and heating. A
plumber or steam fitter puts in the heating in a home. He roughs in
the job and then permits the plasterers and others to get their work
done. Then he comes back and does the finishing. For the plumber
and steam fitter that work probably involves from 2 to 3 days’ work in
roughing in. He is then laid off. That contractor has no more work
for him and will not have any work for him until that job is ready to
finish, which may be in 3 to 5 weeks or longer. There may be no other
contractor who can employ that man. Who is going to guarantee
that that man will be paid while he is unemployed? You can talk
about an annual wage, but you have to find out and build up a
method in order to make it work. Or are we to have annual wages
on low-cost housing, with only those who get annual wages being per­
mitted to work on low-cost housing wffiile all of the rest of the mem­
bers of a particular local or locals have to find jobs elsewhere, on
which annual wages are not guaranteed, resulting in two sets of wages
being paid, guaranteed annual wages on low-cost housing and hourly
rates of pay on other than low-cost housing? We will then find our­
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great, all in a particular community will want to get on low-cost
housing, and when there is sufficient work in the area, everyone will
want to get off of it because of the higher hourly wage on other con­
struction than low-cost housing.
Mr. L u b in (Washington, D. C.). I want to say a word, if I may,
relative to this discussion. I think the first answer is, that the build­
ing craft unions already have two wage rates. In my own com­
munity they have three. An electrician working in a department
store or in a building gets a lower wage rate per hour than if he
were working on the erection of a building. I f he is working in a
building, he is called a maintenance man, and because he is assured
steady employment, the union has agreed to a lower wage rate per
hour than it has for the man on erection. That is true of carpenters
in my community. I f you go into the railroad shops, you will find
the same thing is true. The man working in a railroad shop and
belonging to the same union as the fellow who is .erecting a building
gets a lower wage rate, and the union has accepted that because he is
supposed to have steadier employment.
In one o f the crafts in the city of Washington, there are three
wage rates, one on housing, which is $1 an hour, one on large con­
struction, which is $1.75 an hour, and one for maintenance men,
which is 90 cents an hour. So the fact exists that there may be d if­
ferent wage rates for the same craft for different types of work. It
is a procedure unions have developed, and it has been a practice in
some communities for a long period of time.
Now, as to the second matter. In talking about annual wage rates,
we have to think in terms of the question that was raised by Mr.
Durkin. Plow are you going to guarantee an annual wage? You
cannot guarantee it until the time comes when you will know that
there is sufficient work so that you can keep your guaranty. I think
that is what Mr. Edelman was talking about. As to plumbing, you
will have to have enough buildings going up at the same time so that
the men can move back and forth from one building to another,
roughing and finishing jobs. And until that time comes, until the
Federal Government or a municipality can undertake a large enough
project so that it will know that it can move the plumber from
building to building and then back again, and so, over a course of 12
months, give him 50 weeks of employment, it is useless to talk about
the question of guaranteed employment.
Mr. G o l d y (Illinois). It will be necessary to have all the employ­
ment scattered among all the commercial contractors; otherwise it
will be utterly impossible to transfer a plumber from a roughing
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Mr. D u r k i n . That is correct. I want to raise one other point.
There are peaks in employment in building construction. In other
words, a building project starts with a smaller number of men in a
given trade or trades, and as the job progresses the number increases
until it reaches a peak; then it goes down, and when it comes to the
finishing that does not require so many men as the roughing did.
You are going to have a hard time trying to do as you suggested,
plus the contractor situation. The Government will have to go into
building construction, as I see it, so that men can be changed from
one job to another. Under the present plan, we have different con­
tractors on different jobs and there is no transfer of men. Under
unemployment compensation, with merit rating, you will find that
pretty hard to do.
So far as the rate structure is concerned, it is true that the car­
penter or the electrician and others have different rates for main­
tenance. In the section I am from, there is no difference in rates.
Whether it is a home that is being constructed or whether it is a
skyscraper does not matter; the rate is the same. Generally, where
the rate is lower on maintenance work, a building construction man
must be past a certain age before he is permitted to take maintenance
work and to accept a lower rate of pay. I know it is true that in
some places they have a lower rate for housing work than they have
for certain other types, but that is the exception to the rule.




Wages and Hours Legislation
Administration o f the Wage and H our Law
By

M erle

D.

V in c e n t , W a g e and H o u r D i v i s i o n , U n ite d S t a t e s
D e p a r t m e n t o f Lat>or

The Fair Labor Standards Act is more than a labor act. It affects
both employer and employee. Its beneficial consequences are intended
to be even broader. The general public will necessarily share in its
economic and social consequences in raising living standards for
labor. In equalizing labor costs a higher degree of fair competi­
tion between competitive employers is promoted.
The underlying philosophy of the act finds expression in the at­
tempt not to confer an advantage upon any one class, but to promote
the well-being of the whole people. The Administrator is constantly
having to make decisions charged with the gravest social consequences,
decisions of a somewhat different quality than those that must be made
ordinarily under State labor laws. This is an appropriate occasion
to relate some of the Administrator’s trials and tribulations in the hope
that if they merit sympathy at all, you will shed an expressive tear.
Most labor laws with which I am familiar are universal, or at least
general, in their application. A law that requires factory owners to
put safety guards about dangerous machinery for the protection of the
workmen presents no great difficulty of enforcement. The factory
stands out in plain sight. You can go into it, look at the machinery
and tell almost instantly whether or not the requirement has been
complied with.
In Federal wage and hour enforcement the case is otherwise. The
factory still stands out in the open where it can be seen, but as you
approach it you may not know whether you have a commission to
enter it or not. Perhaps the law lays a responsibility upon the owners,
and perhaps it does not. First of all, it is necessary to know
whether or not the workers employed in it are engaged in interstate
commerce, or whether they are producing goods for interstate com­
merce. Next it is necessary to determine whether or not the employees
fall into one or another of the categories that have been specifically
exempted by the law. I f they are exempt, are they exempt from the
hours provisions, from the wages provisions, or are they exempt
from both? Are they wholly exempt or only partially exempt? Are
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they exempt part of the time and covered the rest of the time ? May
some of the workers be exempt and certain others working in the same
plant covered ?
When all such doubts have been resolved, and we have decided
that the employees are covered and entitled to the benefits of the
wage and hour provisions, and we go into the plant we are ready
to find out, if we can, whether or not the law is being complied with.
But now that we are in we can learn nothing by looking at the
machinery. We cannot always find it out by studying the pay-roll
records. Unhappily, we live in a world from which sin and deception
have not yet entirely disappeared.
The records may indicate that no worker in the plant receives less
than 25 cents an hour. I f some of the workers are employed more
than 44 hours in a single workweek, the records may show that each
of them has received for his overtime work extra compensation at the
rate of one and a half times his regular hourly rate, but you may
have some reason to suspect that the records are falsified.
Then you turn to the workers. However, you may find them reluc­
tant to discuss their wages and their working hours in the plant. Or,
perhaps with one eye on the boss, they tell you enthusiastically that,
sure, they are being paid not less than 25 cents an hour and time and
a half for overtime. But maybe they have been intimidated. They
may have been told that they will be fired if they give any information
to a Wage and Hour Division representative—even though the utter­
ance of such a threat is in itself a violation of the law. Sometimes
they have been forced to assist in the falsification of records by turn­
ing in inaccurate time reports. We find, I regret to say, instances of
that kind. Some of them have forgotten whether they started work a
week ago last Tuesday at 7 a. m. or 7:80, whether they quit work at
5 p. m. or 5:15 p. m. Maybe they are unaware of their rights
under the law and have to be instructed in them.
Perhaps we will decide that the more discreet course is to talk to
them away from the plant where the boss will not see them in con­
versation with us. We may be able to interview some of them after
working hours at Joe’s hamburger joint around the corner. More
likely it will be necessary to visit them in their homes behind
drawn blinds late at night. Everybody gets a 44-hour week except
the Wage and Hour inspectors. I f our inspectors could collect time
and a half pay for overtime work, they would all soon be rich.
We call our people inspectors, but. perhaps it would be more exact
to speak of them as investigators. They are required to combine the
talents of a diplomat with the skill of a Sherlock Holmes.
Someone has said hat when war is declared truth is the first
casualty. It is unfortunately our experience that when someone
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is the business of our inspectors to find the facts. They have a tough
job when confronted with an effort to conceal facts whether by de­
struction or by falsification of records. This not infrequently occurs.
There is of course another side to the picture. Responsible employ­
ers are living up to the standards set by the act, and they are entitled
to protection against law-evading competitors, just as employees
are entitled to such protection.
Other separations of workers, in addition to those previously in­
dicated, are recognized under the law. Any person employed in
a bona fide executive, administrative, professional, or local retailing
capacity, or in the capacity of outside salesman, is exempt from both
the wage and hour provisions. The Administrator must define these
terms. Did you ever try to define a bona fide professional? It is
a major headache, and not even the big dictionary will give you
much help. Exempt from the wage and hour provisions also are
employees engaged in any retail or service establishment the greater
part of whose selling or servicing is in intrastate commerce. So
are employees of a carrier by air subject to the provisions of title
II of the Railway Labor Act.
Persons employed in connection with the publication of any weekly
or semiweekly newspaper with a circulation of less than 3,000, the
major part o f which circulation is within the county where the
newspaper is printed and published, are likewise exempt.
Here on one side of the street, is the Weekly News, with a circu­
lation of 2,999, the major part of which is within the county. Just
across the street is the Weekly Times, with a circulation of 3,001,
the major part of which also is within the county. The employees
o f the Weekly Times are covered by the law. The employees of
the Weekly News are not.
Any individual employed within an area of production as defined by
the Administrator, who is engaged in handling, packing, storing, gin­
ning, compressing, pasteurizing, drying, preparing in their raw or nat­
ural state, or canning of agricultural or horticultural commodities for
market, or in making cheese or butter or other dairy products, are
exempt from the wage and hour provisions. But what is the “ area of
production” ? The law does not say. It calls upon the Administrator
to define it. Here is an exemption extending only to the first proc­
essing of agricultural or horticultural commodities. Still another
provision extends to work of preparing produce for market. If,
after the first processing, the commodities concerned are carried into
another plant next door for a second processing, then the employees
of this second plant, though within the area of production are
covered by the law and entitled to all of its benefits. And so on
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Then the question of seasonality arises. Occupations of a sea­
sonal nature are exempted from the hours provisions for a period
or periods of not more than 14 workweeks in the aggregate in any
calendar year, but even during this period of 14 workweeks they
may not be worked more than 12 hours a day or 56 hours in any
one workweek. But what is a seasonal industry? The law does
not say. It calls upon the Administrator to determine that. And
to decide what is seasonal and what is not seasonal is not always
easy. Seasonal fluctuations in market demand do not furnish cri­
teria, while seasonal availability of material or produce does furnish
a guide.
There are still other complexities. Here are a group of organized
employees who have a collective-bargaining contract with their em­
ployer which provides that no employee shall be employed more than
1,000 hours during any period of 26 consecutive weeks. In that
case, provided theirs is a bona fide union, the standard workweek
does not apply, although if they work more than 12 hours a day,
or more than 56 hours a week, they must be paid time and a half
for such overtime. But what is a bona fide union? Here the A d­
ministrator gets a break. The National Labor Relations Board must
decide that one.
Learners, apprentices, messengers, and physically or mentally
handicapped workers may be employed at less than the minimum
wage. But only to the extent necessary in order to prevent curtail­
ment of opportunities for employment. They may be excluded from
the full wage benefits, however, only by special certificates issued
by the Administrator; and in the case of learners, messengers, and
apprentices, these certificates must be issued subject to such limita­
tions as to time, number, proportion, and length of service as the
Administrator shall prescribe.
You will appreciate the necessity for the caution written into the
law at this point. Obviously, it would be unwise to permit employers
themselves to decide which of their workers are learners and therefore
exempt from the wage provisions. In one garment factory we found
women working for as little as 2 cents an hour because their employer
had decided to call them learners. Another employer wanted all his
workers exempted as physically handicapped because they were over
40 years of age, and still another insisted that all his workers were
mentally handicapped. In fact, he assured us, all the 2,500 inhabi­
tants of the town in which his factory is located, are a bit “tetched in
the head.” In no cases are certificates granted in any of these cate­
gories until hearings have been held to bring out certain basic facts.
For example, respecting learners, we must know what occupations are
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Not even yet have we come to all the variations which make our
administrative work a highly complex pattern. The law provides
for raising minimum wages above the statutory rate, but not above
40 cents an hour, by means of wage orders which may not be issued
until certain very stringent conditions have been complied with. For
each industry an industry committee must be appointed. It must
comprise, in equal numbers, representatives of the public, and of the
employers and the employees in the industry. The Administrator
must furnish to the committee adequate legal, stenographic, clerical,
and other assistance, and must by regulations prescribe the procedure
to be followed by the committee. In its deliberations the committee
must take into account certain factors specified in the act, such as
competitive conditions in the industry, living costs, the cost of raw
materials, transportation rates, and so on. Upon receiving the recom­
mendation of an industry committee the Administrator must hold
hearings at which those who support the recommendation and those
who oppose it may alike be heard. At these hearings the Administra­
tor must take into account all the factors specified in the law and the
evidence considered by the industry committee. I f he finds that the
recommendation is justified upon the evidence presented to the com­
mittee, and also finds it is made in accordance with the law, and tends
to effectuate the intent of the law, and specifically that it will not
curtail opportunities for employment in the industry, he must issue
the wage order carrying the recommendation into effect. He may not
change the recommendation, but if he finds that the recommendation
is not supported by evidence or will not carry out the objectives of the
act, he must refer it back to the committee for further study, or he
may dissolve the committee and set up another one to study the prob­
lem all over again.
In this administrative work we must decide what is an industry.
That question presents difficulties. Almost every industry has a way
of shading off at the edges and merging into other industries. Yet
the Administrator, for the purpose of this act, must define the bound­
aries of each.
Industry committees may make classifications within the industry.
In the manufacture of hosiery, for example, two classifications are
recognized in the committee recommendations and in the Adminis­
trator’s wage order. One is the full-fashioned hosiery branch,
whose employees must be paid not less than 40 cents an hour. The
other is the seamless-hosiery branch, whose employees must be paid
not less than 32% cents an hour. The apparel industry committee
has made some 30 classifications with wage rates ranging all the way
from 32% cents an hour to 40 cents, so it is possible that if these
recommendations are approved by Mr. Andrews (no hearings have
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three or four minimum wage rates applying in a single factory which
has several departments, each making a different type of garment.
Yet it will be our responsibility to police this complex industrial
pattern to make sure that each worker receives at least the minimum
rate applicable to his classification of work.
Many of these administrative functions can be performed only in
Washington by the Administrator, or by his staff under his super­
vision. Others, however, can be performed only in the fields of
employment out in the several States, in the industrial communities
where employers and employees operate and work. This is particu­
larly true of all investigation work, whether in checking observance
or evasions of the provisions of the act, or to obtain facts necessary
to decide questions related to exemptions.
At the Washington Conference held by the Secretary of Labor
last year many of you heard Mr. Andrews’ statement of his plan to
decentralize as much work as possible, and to integrate his regional
administrative functions with the State labor departments and agen­
cies to the extent practicable. Some of the work, for example, in
the hearings and exemption section, which I direct, should be decen­
tralized. We could, at this time, decentralize some of it. The plan
has not progressed so rapidly as the administrator hoped, for the
simple reason that adequate funds were not available either for ade­
quate regional staffs or for cooperation with your State departments
and agencies. Recently, as you know, the Congress, by an additional
deficiency appropriation, has made it possible for the Administrator
very substantially to increase his field staff. This expansion of field
staff and the extension of its work are already in progress. While I
cannot say to you precisely how soon the Administrator will be able to
carry into effect the regional and cooperative plans which he outlined
as a part of his administrative policy at the Washington Conference
last year, I believe I may say that he will proceed to do so as rapidly
as funds and careful preparation permit.
The Fair Labor Standards Act and the Administrator’s functions
are closely related to our national economy. They affect employment,
wage income,, and living conditions in all States and reach out into
Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. The final
effects of this act will be reflected in national markets and the living
circumstances of our people, who represent every nationality, strain,
level of culture, and every standard of living from poverty to opu­
lence. Our economic and social life is conditioned by a tangle of
long-established local and racial customs, practices, ordinances, and
laws. This pattern of habit and thinking has tended to crystalize
and maintain abuses and inequalities that, if permitted to continue,
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To equalize these standards by establishing certain indepensable
minimum-wage requirements and maximum working time is the basic
object of this law. I am divulging no secret when I tell you that the
act could not be administered and enforced but for the fact that a ma­
jority of our people want it and support it. The majority of respon­
sible employers want it and are complying with its provisions. They
want it because it gives them protection against wage-cutting com­
petitors and increases and spreads consumer buying power. Whole
communities and States want it because it protects them from the loss of
industries which too often have been lured away by rival communities
offering special inducements, the chief of which was cheap labor, easily
exploited, because it was not organized.
These special inducements, like free factories and tax exemptions,
are not confined to any one section of the country. This is not a
sectional trend. These methods are being used in New England, in
the Middle West, and in the South. Many communities offer such in­
ducements in the mistaken belief that they can build up a sound and
profitable local industrial life by practices which tend to undermine
markets and exploit local labor. Actually the result of such special
privileges and exploitations will ultimately make these operations a
social and economic liability to the community and not an asset. The
Fair Labor Standards Act is a late, a very late, recognition of the fact
that employment and unemployment, wage and farm income, are na­
tional problems; our markets are national markets; we are a national
community having interdependent interests and responsibilities.
We estimate that 11,000,000 workers are covered by the law. They
are employed, according to our best estimates, in approximately 400,000
establishments. During the first few weeks following October 24,
1938, when the law went into effect, we received in Washington more
than 100,000 letters, most of them from employers, but many from
chambers of commerce and trade associations. Most of those letters
could be summarized in a few sentences. They wrote us: “This is the
nature of my business. Am I under the law ? What must I do to com­
ply with it?” Now, these letters came to us from every part of the
country and either individually, or through the trade associations of
which they were members, they spoke for substantially every employer
in the country. That fact convinces me that they wanted the law and
meant to comply with it. I f they had not intended to comply with it
they would not have come to us for information; they would have gone
to the lawyers in a search for loopholes through which they could slip.
Compliance is not universal. No law is universally observed. Just
as there are still occasional lapses from the Ten Commandments, so too,
the age of chiselry has not passed. But when we catch up with a
chiseler and deal with him to the full extent of the law, his competitors
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We still have a serious enforcement problem. No matter how pop­
ular any law may be, there are always those who must be made to
comply. There are some who comply only through fear of the conse­
quences, and who welcome the discovery that the fellow over on the
next street is ignoring the law and getting away with it. Our job very
largely is to get that fellow over on the next street, so that his example
may not break d6wn the caution of his competitors. As we get these
fellows on the fringe—the ethical fringe as well as the industrial
fringe—we narrow down in one community after another the area
from which we may expect trouble in the future.
A few months ago there was a very real danger that the dam
might break, that we would not be able to prevent the few employers
who were operating illegally from contaminating a good many others
by their example. At that time we had only 114 inspectors to cover
the 48 States, the District of Columbia, and the islands. That sit­
uation is being rapidly remedied. The inspection force is being in­
creased. Our court actions have been notably successful. The A d­
ministrator intends to enforce the law. And I may say to you it
will be enforced.
We began under a handicap. We did not know what kind of an
organization we would need, and there was no place we could find
out. Certainly, there were few precedents we could turn to for
guidance in the enterprise upon which we were embarked. Congress
had given us but $350,000 for the first year’s work, because Congress
did not know any more than we did how much would be needed.
It did not take long to use up the first allotment of funds, and Con­
gress then generously gave us deficiency appropriations. But, as it
turned out, what we could spend—which ran to around $100,000 a
month for the fiscal year ended last June 30—was insufficient to get
the job done. In the enforcement of any law, $1 at the start will
buy more compliance than $10 may be able to buy later on.
The work of the industry committees alone is an expensive item.
It takes a good deal of money to staff them with the lawyers, econo­
mists, stenographers, and clerks which, under the law, we are required
to furnish. While the law instructs the Administrator to set up a
committee for each industry “ as soon as practicable,” we adopted the
policy of moving first in the large scale, low-wage areas, in order to
extend the benefits of wage orders to the largest number possible.
This seemed to us to be in direct line with the purposes of the act.
We are rather proud of the fact that despite such handicaps as I
have mentioned, we did, before July 1, manage to get seven commit­
tees under way. These were for cotton, silk, and rayon textiles; for
woolen textiles, hosiery, apparel, hats, millinery, and shoes. To date
five of the committees have made wTage recommendations.
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For the present fiscal year Congress has given us enough to enable us
to strengthen the solid foundation already laid. W e hope to have
before the first of the year some 500 inspectors, and the additional
attorneys needed to fight the wage and hour battle on the litigation
front.

So far we have been busy, in the absence of precedents, not only
with the regular work of enforcement, but in building up a well artic­
ulated organization, sizing up our job, and laying the groundwork
for future procedure. We have felt our way after careful research,
usually involving hearings. We have issued the regulations which
the law requires, and we have done the best we could to inform em­
ployers of the requirements imposed upon them by the law, and em­
ployees of the benefits they are entitled to, by publishing interpretative
bulletins. Much of this work, though highly important, was prelimi­
nary to the main task. It sets up the framework within which we
operate. While further experience undoubtedly will show the need
of revisions here and there, most of this basic structure will stand.
We feel that we have built w^ell.
Our enforcement efforts have proceeded according to techniques
familiar to you all. Somebody sends us a complaint to the effect that
a certain employer is violating the law. We study it to determine,
if we can, whether or not that employer is in interstate commerce and
is subject to the law. I f we decide he is, we send an inspector into
his plant to check up on the facts. He studies the pay-roll records
and interviews the workers. I f his investigation shows a violation,
the litigation branch goes into action.
We may apply for an injunction to restrain the employer from
further violation of the law. We may apply for an injunction tying
up his produce—“hot goods”—from interstate commerce. I f the vio­
lation has been willful and flagrant, and especially if it has involved
the falsification of records, the case is turned over to the Department
of Justice for prosecution. In some cases, in which it appears that
the violation was unintentional or accidental, or may have hinged
upon a misunderstanding of the law, we have permitted employers
to work out an adjustment by paying back wages that may have been
unlawfully withheld from their employees. In every case of this
kind we must have assurance of future compliance.
There is still another enforcement technique of enormous potential
value. We have no control over it, but we recognize it as a powerful
incentive to compliance. It is made possible by that provision of the
law which enables the aggrieved worker to go into court and sue his
employer. I f successful he will receive double the amount of his
unpaid wages plus a reasonable attorney’s fee, and the costs of the
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not only on his own behalf, but also on behalf of fellow employees
so situated. The employee or employees may designate an agent or
representative to maintain such action for him or them. A labor
union can be designated as agent or representative for this purpose.
We recognize, of course, that we are not on sound ground so long
as we do no more than proceed against the employer after the viola­
tion has occurred. But with a limited staff we could not in the first
stages do otherwise. Many complaints have accumulated, but the
task of moving them is not impossible. As a matter of fact, we
expect to have them cleaned up within a few months and be able to
proceed on a routine inspection basis. Finally, a part of our func­
tion is educational. We must entrench these higher labor standards
in the understanding, in the conscience, and common sense of obstruct­
ing employers. The man who contaminates the stream of commerce
by stealing his profits from the pockets of employees and competitors
is a menace to the Nation’s social and economic health. He is sap­
ping and undermining his own market; he is preventing an expansion
of domestic markets, which are essential to replace lost foreign
markets.
D isc u ssio n

Mr. D a v ie (New Hampshire). I want to compliment Mr. Vincent
on his very valuable contribution to the convention. It takes me
back to the convention down in Charleston, where the Administrator
said the thing that was of great interest to all heads of State depart­
ments of labor and upon which we were all agreed was the desirability
of avoiding multiplicity of governmental inspection. He continued:
However, as an administrator, I should not presume in the first instance to
place the whole burden of this task in its formative period upon the already
burdened State departments of labor.
The Wage and Hour Division plans to work closely with State departments of
labor from the very beginning. It will direct its energies toward helping the
States to equip themselves to carry on a regular program of enforcement. In
this task, I am planning to utilize the services of the Division of Labor Stan­
dards which, because of the nature of its work, is familiar with the administra­
tive procedures now existing in the various States. As rapidly as is possible,
we shall work toward more complete State participation in enforcement.
In the planning of this program there will be many questions of common inter­
est on which I shall solicit your aid and the benefit of your experience. W e shall
need to insure a high standard of personnel in this work; we must define that
standard. W e must be sure of sound training in what will, for the majority
of such staffs, be a new field. And, having given this training, we must insure
some sort of continuity of service, so that the benefits of that training may not
be lost; so that both labor and industry may count upon a stable group of
administrators who are constantly building up their inspection skills upon the
sound foundation of tested procedures.
All of us, I think, feel the challenge of this latest step forward. It is the
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start may move forward. It leaves to the States the whole field of standard
setting in the industries for which the Congress may not act.

You can see how important Mr. Andrews felt the enactment of
this law was to be as the days went on, and there is only one regret
that I can express. I feel that perhaps a quicker way to the goal
that we are endeavoring to reach in the administration and enforce­
ment of this law would be to get the labor departments of the States
to cooperate in every way that they can with the field men who you
send out to the various States.
I can say for New Hampshire, outside of the district office at
Boston, none of the field men have ever made a personal call, although
I know they have worked in the State and done some mighty fine
work. I am sure that I would not fight any of them, and I hardly
believe any of my colleagues would. I am sure that we might be
able to put them wise to a few things and be a great help to them in
getting down to the final solution of the problem in any particular
plant. It is my opinion that in order to work this law out to its
very best possibilities, you have to have at least 100 percent coopera­
tion between the labor departments and the Wage and Hour Division.
I do feel that you would get very much faster returns in your in­
vestigations, and also in prosecution, if you would make a practice
from time to time of consulting the labor departments, whether or not
they are affiliated through some plan laid down by the Washington
office. I say this because State departments, through their inspec­
tion staffs and also through the commissioners, are pretty apt to
know who the bad actors are and also who the decent employers who
want to go along with you are. I feel that one of the greatest duties
of officials connected with labor departments is to keep the bad fel­
low in line, for the decent one is going to carry it safely through in
its final analysis.
I do feel, however, that no matter what question may come up, no
State official should endeavor to give the final answer in any questions
concerning interstate work. That to my mind is a question that
should be answered by the Administrator himself. I have always
made a practice of sending a copy of any letter that I have written
on the law, and I have written thousands of them, to the district
office man in the city of Boston, who covers my district, and I believe
that is a good idea for all of us to follow. I can readily see that
Mr. Andrews has not been able to carry out the thought he had in
mind and expressed in his paper. Lack of appropriation has made
rather slow work of bringing the States to function in a great many
cases, although other labor departments worked to administer and
enforce this law before any Federal representatives came out. I
do feel that we could take a great step forward if the administration
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who at the last legislature granted enabling legislation to work in
cooperation with the administration in Washington.
Mr. D u r k in (Illinois). My State happens to be one of the States
cooperating w ith the Wage and Hour Division. It seems to fall to
Illinois to do a lot of criticizing today, and I hope it will be taken as
constructively as it is offered. State departments of labor do not
get any more money to administer their own labor laws than is re­
quired, and I feel that some of the instructions given by the adminis­
trators of the wage and hour law to the States who are cooperating
are unnecessary in order to bring about compliance with that act.
We find also this criticism—but I understand that some decen­
tralization is taking place now, and I hope it will be done in a wellthought-out and orderly way—that it is necessary for us to send
to Washington complaints that we receive in Illinois before any
inspection is made or evidence is gathered against the firm com­
plained about. I understand also that they have a screening proc­
ess in Washington—or at least had one. It has been our experience
that many of the letters we receive bear no signature, and it is
pretty hard to get any additional facts when you do not know to whom
to write. I understand that a lot of those letters go over the desks
of lawyers before they are sent back to the States to gather evidence
to see if there is any violation of the law. I do not think that it is
necessary to have the letters go over the desks of lawyers. I believe
that the people in labor departments are trained well enough, and if
not they should be educated as to what is proper evidence, so that the
violator may be prosecuted and fined or imprisoned as the law
requires.
We also find that it is necessary, according to instructions from
Washington, to go back to the date on which the act became effective
and get additional evidence, get all of the evidence of all the em­
ployees of that particular concern, whether the employees number
tens or hundreds or thousands of people. At that rate we never will
have enough inspectors. The speaker representing the Wage and
Hour Division stated the number of employees it has, the number of
inspectors. They will never be able to cover the ground if we
always have to go back and inspect the books to find out if there
has been any violation in the first week following the enactment of
the law and bring the record all the way up to date. It will require
so many inspectors that you will not be able to do the job properly.
I do not know whether the Department of Justice demands that you
do it or not, but I think that you can get enough evidence to bring
the employer to justice for any violation of the act without doing
that. I f that evidence is necessary and you want it, you should make
the employer make restitution of the moneys used. That is done




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easily enough by agreement. I f you want to allow the firm to get
by with just the payment of the money due the employees, you can
have an accounting firm go over the books, and let the firm pay
something for the violation and pay for the auditor who audits
the books. Whatever the auditing firm finds, let the firm make res­
titution of the moneys due the employees, if you want to bring about
settlements. But it is not necessary to tie up the inspectors of the
States and of the Federal Government. I believe if we can show in the
headlines of the newspapers that 10 or 15 or 20 employers in Illinois
have been found guilty of violation of the wage and hour law, that
will do more to bring about compliance than just the restitution that
you may get for the employees of that firm. There should be
decentralization in an orderly fashion as soon as possible.
Minimum Wages, September 1, 1938, to September 1, 1939
R ep o rt o f C om m ittee on M inim um W ages, b y L o u i s e S t i t t ( United S ta tes
D ep a rtm en t o f L a b o r ), Chairm an

Progress of State Minimum-Wage Legislation in 1939

Though 44 State legislatures and the United States Congress were
in regular session during 1939, the status of minimum-w^age legisla­
tion—State and Federal—is almost the same now as it was last year,
when the minimum-wage committee made its report to the Inter­
national Association of Governmental Labor Officials. Last year the
outstanding event of the 12 months was the passage by the Congress
of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. At the time of our last
meeting 25 States, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Pico had
minimum-wage laws. This year there have been added to the list
Maine, which passed a minimum-wage law applying only to women
and minors employed in fish-canning occupations, and Alaska, which
established an $18 weekly minimum wage for all employed women.1
State Wage and Hour Bills

Last fall, after the passage of the Fair Labor Standards Act, a
committee of State labor commissioners and representatives of the
American Federation of Labor and the Congress of Industrial Organ­
izations, appointed by the Secretary of Labor, met in Washington to
draft a State wage and hour bill, which in its broad outlines follows
the pattern of the Federal act. This bill was approved in November
by the Fifth National Conference on Labor Legislation. Bills simi­
lar to that approved by the National Conference were adopted some1The States having minimum-wage laws a r e : Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California,
Colorado, Connecticut, D istrict of Columbia, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine,
M assachusetts, M innesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota,
Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah,
W ashington, and W isconsin.




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what later by the American Federation of Labor and by the Congress
of Industrial Organizations.

Copies of these three drafts were distributed widely throughout
the States by the two national labor organizations and by the United
States Department of Labor with the hope that States would supple*
ment the Federal law with corresponding State legislation. Fortytwo wage and hour bills of some type were introduced into 29 of the
44 State legislatures that were in session in 1939. Thirty-six of these
42 bills followed the Federal plan of regulating wages through the
device of combining statutory rates and wage-board procedure, and
hours through overtime rates. North Carolina, South Carolina, and
Tennessee were the Southern States to introduce wage and hour bills
during this year’s legislative sessions.
None of the 42 bills was passed. Only in New Jersey did even one
house of the legislature pass such a bill. In Connecticut, when it
became evident that the State wage and hour bill could not pass, the
legislature amended the existing State minimum-wTage law for women
to cover men as well.
Though the results of this year’s legislative sessions are disappoint­
ing as far as additions to State wage legislation are concerned, the
year has not been a total loss. Much education has resulted from
these legislative experiments. The public knows much more about
this type of legislation than it would have known if these bills had
not been introduced. Sponsors of such bills doubtless have learned
something from the year’s experience with the administration of the
Federal Fair Labor Standards Act, and from the criticism that these
bills received when debated in the legislatures, which may lead to
improvements in the orginal draft. Moreover, the constitutionality
of this type of legislation, uncertainty concerning which doubtless
was a factor in the year’s failure to achieve passage, may be estab-<
lished during the 2 years that intervene before the next general
legislative sessions are held.
The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938

After many w7eeks of painful anxiety experienced by friends of
the Federal Fair Labor Standards Act, the Congress finally ad­
journed August 5 without passing the pending admendments which,
if approved, would have materially weakened that act. The A d­
ministrator of the Wage and Flour Law and the Chairman of the
House Committee on Labor had agreed on the adoption of some
clarifying amendments to the act. Congressmen and their constitu­
ents unfriendly to the act seized upon this opportunity to present
additional amendments that would have removed, the Administrator
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law. Fortunately, the House was prevented from voting on these
amendments before adjournment, and the Federal law remains
unmodified.
Since October 24,1938, when the Fair Labor Standards Act became
effective, seven industry committees have been appointed and five of
them have recommended to the Administrator minimum wages
higher than the statutory rates of 25 and 30 cents provided for in
the act for a period of 7 years following the effective date. Though
public hearings have been held by the Administrator on the reports
of some of these committees, only one of the recommendations—that
of the hosiery committee, which will become law on September 18—
has as yet been adopted.
When these recommendations are incorporated into wage orders,
minimum wages ranging from S 2 y 2 to 40 cents an hour will be estab­
lished under the Fair Labor Standards Act for over 1,700,000 work­
ers employed in cotton, sik, rayon, and woolen textile industries,
wearing apparel, hosiery, and shoe industries. A ll industry com­
mittees have recommended that the same minimum wage be paid
throughout the United States in a given branch of industry. In
other words, no geographic differentials have been recommended.
As the minimum wage increases, the task of enforcing it, which
has been gigantic under the 25-cent provision, will increase cor­
respondingly. On August 8, 1939, the Federal Wage and Hour
Division had 107 field investigators. Four State labor depart­
ments—those of Connecticut, Illinois, North Carolina, and Wiscon­
sin—and the District of Columbia were cooperating with the Wage
and Hour Division in inspecting for compliance. As of that date,
20,016 complaints of violations had been received by the Division,
1,492 inspections had been made, and 32 civil and 30 criminal cases
had been taken to court. Fines amounting to $107,000 had been
imposed upon violating firms and thousands of dollars of wages had
been paid to workers by order of the courts. With increased ap­
propriations the field staff can be enlarged and enforcement materially
improved.
T h e Public Contracts A ct

Since September 1, 1938, minimum-wage determinations have been
made by the Secretary of Labor for 12 industries. These rates range
from 30 cents an hour in the wood-furniture industry in the South
to 62y 2 cents in the iron and steel industry in certain sections of the
country. Altogether, since the act became effective the Secretary of
Labor has made 31 wage determinations for 29 industries.
The Division of Public Contracts makes routine inspection of the
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up to August 1, 1939, $136,768.38 has been collected by the Depart­
ment for the nonpayment of wages for payment to the employees.
State Minimum-Wage Orders

Steady and marked progress has been made by State minimumwage divisions during the year. Twenty-nine new wage orders have
been issued by 13 States and the District of Columbia since Septem­
ber 1, 1938. These new orders bring the number of women covered
by State minimum-wage orders and State flat-rate laws to approxi­
mately 1,112,000. The rates established by orders issued during the
year range from 25, 22%, and 20 cents an hour, according to size
of community, for all industries in Kentucky, to 39 cents an hour for
beauty-culture operators in Connecticut.
Complete coverage of the service industries is gradually being
approached by the minimum-wage States. The laundry industry
is covered in 22 of the 25 States in which the law applies (Maine is
omitted because the law applies to only one industry), Alaska, the
District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico. These 3 territories and 17
States have covered retail trade, either by flat-rate laws or wage
orders. Twelve States, Alaska, the District of Columbia, and Puerto
Rico have minimum rates for hotels and restaurants, and 1 State
covers restaurants but not hotels. Beauty-culture occupations are
covered by 12 States, Alaska, and the District of Columbia.
Minimum-Wage Court Cases

Last year your committee reported that three State minimum-wage
laws—those of Minnesota, Oklahoma, and Utah—were involved in
court cases, and that the utmost care in observing the provisions of
State statutes and following approved administrative procedure is
necessary if legal involvements are to be avoided. Prolonged litiga­
tion, enemies of social legislation well know, is almost as effective in
nullifying law as is repeal.
The suits against the Minnesota State Industrial Commission,
which had issued a blanket minimum-wage order for all industries,
were dropped October 25,1938, when the commission agreed to exempt
the complaining industries from the blanket wage order and to issue
separate orders for these industries. Accordingly, wage orders have
been issued during the year for the laundry, restaurant, needlecraft.
and telegraph industries in Minnesota.
On December 14, 1938, the Utah case was settled when the supreme
court of that State held the State minimum-wage law constitutional,
but declared void the one wage order issued by the industrial com­
mission, on the ground that persons affected by the order had not
been given an adequate hearing. Since this decision the industrial




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commission has secured new evidence, including a complete, new
cost-of-living survey, and is making preparations for new hearings
at which the suggestions of the court will be meticulously followed.
Though the Oklahoma minimum-wage law was declared uncon­
stitutional on March 21, 1939, in its application to men, this decision
was based purely on a technical defect in the title of the law. The
court definitely declared that the principle of minimum-wage legis­
lation for men is constitutional. The Oklahoma lawTis still inopera­
tive even for women, however, because the validity of wage orders
issued under it is still awaiting court decision.
During the year new court cases have developed. A group of
laundry owners in Pennsylvania has asked for an injunction against
the enforcement by the department o f labor and industry of the
minimum-wrage order for the laundry industry of that State. The
constitutionality of the law is also challenged. In Kentucky two
cases are pending, which grew out of the fact that a blanket wage
order was issued in that State covering all industries.
Last year it was reported by this committee that New York had
taken the lead in providing that minimum weekly wages be guar­
anteed all employees who work at all in any given week. The valid­
ity of this provision was challenged by a laundry owner in December
1938. On May 24, 1939, the New York Board of Standards and
Appeals held the order valid and reasonable in all respects. Not
content with this ruling, however, the laundry owner took his case
to court, and it is now pending before the supreme court at Buffalo.
A decision in a case testing the validity of the guaranteed wage for
part-time work, for which the confectionery minimum wage order
provides, has not yet been handed down by the Board of Standards
and Appeals of New York. An important principle is involved in
these cases and final court decision will be awaited with unusual
interest.
It is said by members of the bar that the future of labor legislation
depends not on the courts, as in the past, but on reasonable and
skillful administration. A group of State minimum-wage adminis­
trators and lawyers who have had practical experience with mini­
mum wage laws has been invited by the Women’s Bureau to serve
as a committee to outline the minimum standards of legal procedure
which, if observed by State administrators, should lessen materially
the occasion for court action in connection with State minimum-wage
laws.

Adequate Appropriations

The success of minimum-wage legislation, like that of all other
legislation, depends upon proper enforcement. We have said at these
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adequate to administer them are appropriated by our legislatures.
This is especially true of minimum-wage legislation, which requires
frequent and regular inspection to assure that all workers receive
benefits to which they are entitled and that fair employers do not
suffer from the competition of those who pay less than the legal
wage. Such inspection is possible only where sufficient funds are
available to provide for adequate enforcement staffs. Normally,
minimum-wage enforcement is cumulative because wage orders are
issued industry by industry. Some State minimum-wage adminis­
trators have quite rightly delayed extending the protection of the
law to new industries because of the inability properly to enforce
new wage orders without additional funds and additional staff.
The matter of securing adequate appropriations for minimum-wagelaw enforcement is one which is causing State administrators grave
concern and one to which this Association should seriously direct
its attention.
Summary

A review of the year shows that the States and the Federal wage
divisions have made laudable progress in the administration of exist­
ing minimum-wage laws. The legislative record is far from bril­
liant, partially due to the generally conservative complexion of the
legislatures this year, and to the fact that though the members were
in no experimental mood they were brought face to face with an
entirely new and untried type of wage and hour legislation. How­
ever, no ground was lost, a fact that in some States and in the
National Capital was due to the vigilance and tireless efforts of
friends of minimum-wage legislation.
Minimum-Wage Legislation in Canada
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Changes in minimum-wage legislation in Canada since the last
meeting of the Association include amendments in Alberta, Mani­
toba, and Quebec. In all Provinces, except Prince Edward Island
and Nova Scotia, there is legislation providing for the fixing of mini­
mum rates of pay for workers of both sexes. In Nova Scotia the
act relates only to female workers.
In Alberta and British Columbia there are two statutes, one for
male workers and the other for female workers. In New Brunswick
no general orders have been made but, following disputes or inves­
tigation of complaints, orders have been applied to particular plants
or to several plants in one district.
In Quebec the act was extended in 1939 to home workers. The
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conciliation committees has been changed so that the approval of the
lieutenant governor in council is no longer necessary before such a
committee may be set up. In practice, these committees appear to
function much as wage boards do. They are bodies representing the
industry, although a 1939 amendment permits other persons to be
admitted to their meetings, and on the basis of the recommendation
of the committee a minimum-wage order may be made. The pro­
vincial fair wage board, however, may fix minimum rates, whether
or not a conciliation committee has been appointed or has agreed on
a report. The board may suspend the total or partial application of
an order for not more than 3* months at a time on any conditions it
considers expedient. It has power also to issue interpretations of its
orders and these, when gazetted, have the same effect as if incorpo­
rated in the orders. Other amendments are designed to strengthen the
administration. Penalties are increased and protection is provided
for employees who act on conciliation committees.
When this report was given last year the first orders under the
Quebec act had been in force for only a few months. Two of the
orders were general, one applying outside cities and towns to female
employees and males in the same occupations in factories and shops.
The other, General Order 4, applied to both sexes in commercial and
industrial establishments, road transport, hotels, teaching, and cer­
tain other occupations in cities and towns. Subsequent orders make
special provision for certain industries, such as the manufacture of
matches, the waste-paper industry, full-fashioned hosiery, tanning
of hides, brick and tile manufacture and the manufacture of woodenbuilding supplies. In the city of Montreal and its environs, special
orders govern the milk industry, maintenance men in public build­
ings, butter and cheese wholesale and export establishments, laun­
dries, dry-cleaning establishments and dye works employing more
than five persons, and taverns. All the orders, subsequent to Order
4, have the effect of removing the occupations to which they apply
from the operation of Order 4 insofar as these provisions deviate
from that order.
An interesting experiment is being made in Quebec by levying the
cost o f the administration of the act on employers. A pay-roll assess­
ment of one-half of 1 percent was approved last October by the gov­
ernment, but it was later suspended. Recently, a regulation was made
for an assessment of one-third of 1 percent on the pay-roll of em­
ployers in cities and towns with a population of 20,000 or more, where
such employers employ during any 3 consecutive months four or more
persons or if the total pay-roll for such a period is $750 or over. In
smaller places, employers of more than 100 wage-earners for at least
3 months of the year are subject to the levy. Salaries in excess of




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$250 per month may be excluded from the pay roll for the purposes
of the assessment.
In Manitoba the act, which applies to both male and female em­
ployees, has been changed so that it is no longer necessary for the
minimum wage board to include representatives of employers and
employees. Wages for a period of more than 6 months may not be
ordered paid by a court, and it is stipulated that prosecution for fail­
ure to pay the required rate does not bar civil action on the part of the
employee.
In Alberta where, as in British Columbia, there are two minimumwage laws, one applying to men and one to women, the former has
been amended to define overtime as any time in excess of 10 hours a
day or in excess of 54 hours a week or in excess of the normal hours
of work prescribed under the Hours of Work Act. Regulations
under this section require the payment of time and a half for over­
time. The Alberta Minimum Wage Act, 1925, applying to women,
has always empowered the board to fix special overtime rates but,
since the enactment of the Hours of Work Act in 1936 limiting the
working hours of female employees to 8 a day and 48 a week, regula­
tions provide for the payment of time and a half where hours exceed
9 a day or 48 a week.
Alberta, like Quebec, has a general order which applies to most male
workers in the Province and other orders making special provision
for persons employed in sawmills and other woodworking plants in
rural districts, for boys under 18 delivering merchandise for shops,
and for persons working on irrigation projects. A revision in the
general order makes the minimum rate for adults payable to males
19 years of age and over instead of to those 21 and over.
In British Columbia, under the Male Minimum Wage Act, orders
relate to certain occupations or industries. No basic order applies
to all within the scope of the act as in Alberta and Quebec. Within
the last year a minimum rate of 75 cents an hour has been fixed for
carpenters in the Vancouver and Kootenay districts. An earlier
order had fixed a carpenter’s rate in the city of Victoria. The rates
have been raised for taxicab drivers in Victoria, and these workers
must be paid for at least 4 hours on any day they are required to work.
Orders applying to seasonal industries include a minimum rate for
the first time in the Christmas-tree industry; an order to provide a
more flexible arrangement of hours of work in summer-resort hotels,
and special provision for fruit and vegetable canning. In the latter
industry^ somewhat lower hourly rates apply for both sexes, except
inexperienced girls. Punitive rates are payable after 10 hours and
still higher rates after 12 hours. The hours of work for employees in
beauty parlors have been limited to 44 in any one week and 9 in any




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one day, with a provision that a rest period of not less than one-half
hour must be arranged between the hours of 11 a. m. and 2:30 p. m.
In several orders, including those governing fruit and vegetable
canning, carpenters, construction industry, male employees in stores,
elevator operators, and hotels and catering, the semimonthly payment
of wages has been ’imposed.
Other legislation which sets up what may perhaps be called mini­
mum wage fixing machinery is the so-called Industrial Standards
Acts in Alberta, Ontario, Saskatchewan, and Nova Scotia. In the
last-named Province the statute applies only to the building trades
in the city of Halifax. In 1938 Manitoba made provision for similar
machinery for certain specified trades, barbering, hairdressing, print­
ing, engraving, and dry cleaning and any other trade designated by
the government. This year, wood cutting and shoe repairing were
added to the list. In New Brunswick an Industrial Standards Act
applying to the construction industry was enacted in 1939 but has
not yet been proclaimed in force. These statutes provide for the
fixing by the government of minimum rates of wages and maximum
hours which have been agreed upon by a joint conference of employers
and employees representing a substantial proportion of the industry.
In practice, these statutes have been applied in several cases to indus­
tries in which labor is organized to a considerable extent, and in
some cases the agreement is substantially a union agreement which,
under the act, is made legally binding on all in the industry in the
district concerned.
Discussion
Dr. P a t t o n (New York). It occurred to me while Miss Stitt was
reading her report that there is a discrepancy as to the recognition of
wage differentials as between separate branches of the United States
Government. She pointed out that the Public Contracts Act, which
is administered by the United States Department of Labor, does
recognize wage differentials by geographic sections. Her report also
pointed out that the Federal wage and hour law recognizes no such
differentials. It was also pointed out that the various State mini­
mum-wage acts recognize wage differentials by size of community.
As I understand it, the Works Progress Administration has, at least
until very recently, also recognized wage differentials. I recognize
that this is a rather thorny point, but it does seem to me it is one
on which some uniformity in practice should be worked out. Why
should one branch of the Federal Department of Labor recognize
wage differentials by size of community or by cost of living, and an­
other branch o f the Federal Department of Labor recognize no such
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ought to be done; I am merely calling attention to this discrepancy
which seems to exist within the Federal Department of Labor.
Miss S t i t t (Washington, D. C.). The .problem involved there, so
far as the two laws are concerned, is basically in the laws themselves.
The Public Contracts Act says that the wage set by the Federal
Government must be the prevailing minimum wage in a certain
area. The Public Contracts Division has made extensive studies to
find out what the wages are in the various parts of the country. In
some cases there has been such a difference in the prevailing wages
that the Department has been forced to establish wage differentials.
The industry committees under the Wage and Hour Division are
authorized to recommend a wage, not in excess of 40 cents an hour
and that will not bring about unemployment, and they may not set
geographical differentials unless they find that there are actual dif­
ferences in cost of production, such as differences in cost of trans­
portation, etc., in the various communities. The industry committees
so far have not seen fit to recommend differentials, and the law itself,
of course, does not provide for them in the basic rates.
M r . M o o n e y (Connecticut). Connecticut amended its law to in­
clude men as well as women and minors and also to eliminate
directory orders. All orders now issued in Connecticut will be
mandatory immediately upon their formulation and promulgation
by the Commissioner. That means, of course, that we have an addi­
tional administrative burden, since all orders now in effect will have
to be revised in order to comply with these changes in the law. But
the procedure which will be followed in that case will be just about
the same as that which has been followed under the old laW in
changing a directory order to a mandatory order.
I should like to ask Miss Stitt to clarify a point she brought out
in her summary. You say in the summary, Miss Stitt, that—re­
ferring to members of legislature, I take it—“though the members
were in no experimental mood they were brought face to face with
an entirely new and untried type of wage-and-hour legislation.”
It is a minor point, but it seems to me that this wage-and-hour
legislation is not entirely untried.

Miss S t i t t . The type of law that was presented to the legisla­
ture—that is, a law that combined the recommendation of wages and
hours and a flat rate, plus industry committees, and one that applied
to men and women—was entirely new for most of our legislatures.
It is something entirely different from anything that has ever been
presented to them before. I have a feeling that if our legislatures
had been a little bit more liberal-minded, we might have gone farther
with this new type of legislation than it was possible to do with
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When I went to the various States, I found this statement made
repeatedly: “ Maybe after the Federal law, which is similar to the
bill introduced here, has been tried for a while and found successful,
we might be willing to try it.” You see, there is a combination of
very new principles in the wage-and-hour law, as compared to our
old hour laws and our old minimum-wage laws.
M r . M o o n e y . I was thinking of the experience that the Federal
Government had under the National Recovery Act and that I sup­
pose some of the State labor departments had and some of those
States that passed baby N. R. A .’s.
I f anyone from New York is here, I should like to hear some dis­
cussion on the guaranteed weekly wage that was mentioned in Miss
Stitt’s report. It seems to me that that is a very interesting and
novel trend in minimum-wTage orders, and that it presents a great
number of administrative difficulties and possibly a number of prac­
tical difficulties.

Dr. P a t t o n . I am not directly concerned with the administration
of the minimum-wage law, but the theory back of this guaranteed
weekly wage was that any worker who is subject to call, who actually
puts in some work during the week, ought to be employed for a
sufficiently long period of time to earn a sufficient amount to make it
worth his or her while to belong to that industry. I f a laundry
girl, for example, does not know that she will be called on to work only
on. Saturday morning, or perhaps only on Friday afternoon and Satur­
day morning, the fact that she does not know how much work she
may have in the week may prevent her from accepting a job some­
where else. In order to hold her to that industry, to make her
services available if and when needed and called upon, if at all, the
theory is that the employer should pay her at least a minimum
amount of wages. As Miss Stitt’s report pointed out, the question
as to whether or not such a provision is valid has not yet been defi­
nitely passed upon by the courts.
Mr. K ossoris (Washington, D. C.). I should like to raise a ques­
tion that has occurred to me a good many times and that came up
particularly during the N. R. A. days when we were dealing with
codes of fair competition. These minimum-wage laws, as has been
brought out, rest largely on investigations concerning the cost of
living. While that undoubtedly is an important factor, there is
another factor which seems to me to be generally overlooked. The
complaint against industries paying low wages is that by paying low
wages they gain an unfair competitive advantage over others who pay
better wages and therefore whose cost of doing business is above that
of the so-called unfair competitors. Why is it not an important point
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of these groups and thus see to what extent the manufacturer paying
the low wage gets an unfair advantage? Then, by attempting to
eliminate that differential by increasing wages, we could bring about
a more uniform cost, so that the employer who paid the low rate
would not get an unfair advantage over his competitor. In other
words, the question of what is the relative labor cost is to my mind just
as important as the question of what it costs a man to live. It seems to
me, if our main purpose is to equalize competitive advantages, that
the cost of living, which is undoubtedly one factor, ought not to be
the controlling factor. The question of competitive labor costs should
also be considered.
Mr. W ood (Arkansas). I am representing President Green of the
American Federation of Labor. Over in Arkansas we have had some
very sad experiences with minimum wages. Probably you know that
our law was declared unconstitutional at one time and then our courts
reversed themselves and put the law back into effect. Our law is based
entirely upon the cost of living, and the problem of determining that
cost is with the industrial commission. The attorney general has ruled,
under the provisions of our law, that the industrial commission should
hold public hearings in the different sections of the State and determine
therefrom the average cost of living, and then establish a minimum
wage for any particular community. However, the minimum cannot
be less than $1 a day for women for the first 6 months and $1.25 after
that.
Mr. McKinley and the industrial commission have had endless
trouble in putting into effect our minumum-wage law as it was in­
tended. In a number of cases where violations were found there has
been recovery of nominal sums, but as a general proposition it is almost
impossible to get proper compliance with the law. That probably is
due in some instances to the utter lack of regard for labor laws in our
State and the peculiar political hook-up, if you please, that we have in
some sections of the State—Hot Springs, for instance. I daresay there
are more violations in the city of Hot Springs than there are in the
whole southern portion of the State below the Mason-Dixon line; in
proportion, I mean. I know, however, that the State labor depart­
ment, under our able Commissioner McKinley, has worked untiringly
in trying to enforce the minimum-wage laws and the other laws per­
taining to women in industry.
Mr. K i m b e r l i n g (Oklahoma). I represent Mr. David Fowler, presi­
dent of district 21 of the United Mine Workers of America and regional
director for the Congress of Industrial Organizations.
In the State of Oklahoma we have had some trouble carrying our
wage-and-hour law into effect. The United Mine Workers and the
C. I. O. are highly in favor of the wage and hour legislation that has
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been advanced by organized labor and by the United States Depart­
ment of Labor and the labor departments in the States. Organized
labor, however, finds this trouble relative to the enforcement of the
minimum-wage law, that in some of the unorganized industries the
established minimum wage has become the maximum paid by the em­
ployers, and in some cases the minimum wage is even higher than
what is paid by these industries. We realize that the solution to this
problem is organization, as our experience in the past has shown us
that labor organizations have been the policing power of labor legis­
lation. Referring to the minimum-wage law of Oklahoma, we are
confronted at this time with legal entanglements. Attacks have been
made by the Associated Industries and open-shop employers, who
have been able to make our State wage law inoperative by going into
the courts. However, we are hopeful of amending our State law to
conform more closely with the Federal Wage-Hour Act and to avoid
the obstacles that have caused this law to be inoperative.
Mrs. E a t o n (British Columbia). It might be of interest to run
over briefly the experience we have had in British Columbia in con­
nection with the establishment of minimum wages and the relations
we have had with the labor unions.
In the beginning, in 1917, the labor unions, through their council,
proved to be the strongest force in securing minimum-wage legisla­
tion for women. They supplied the impetus needed to put the legis­
lation on the books. All through the years we have had a splendid
history of stability of such legislation in British Columbia, and all
through those years we have had that quiet support from the labor
people. O f course, women’s organizations also stood very solidly
behind this legislation. When we brought in the. male minimumwage act, we again had that support of the labor people, particularly
when we confined our activities to those groups of people who were
unable to organize and be forceful on their own behalf.
In British Columbia, under the Male Minimum Wage Act, we
have set a rate for skilled workers, carpenters, in three areas in
British Columbia. In this we have had the active support of organ­
ized carpenters in these areas. It would be impossible to proceed
without it. I think that we can be assured that labor officials will,
as time goes on, follow along, advising and helping to the best of
their ability for the greater protection of workers. That is the his­
tory we have had in 22 years of experience with minimum-wage
legislation in British Columbia.
Mr. M urphy (Oklahoma). I should like to give you the present
status of the Oklahoma minimum-wage and maximum-hour law. In
1937 the legislature passed an act creating a commission, to be known
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commissioner of labor, and the chairman of the industrial commission.
At the organization meeting I was elected director and chairman, and
as a preliminary to the operation of the bill, we held public hearings.
We provided for a board of six, consisting of two representatives of
labor, two representatives of the general public, and two employer
representatives. There was equal representation of these groups.
We held hearings and promulgated nine obligatory orders, effective
May 1, 1937. We covered the biggest employing groups in these
nine obligatory orders.
About the 28th of April, just a few days before these nine obliga­
tory orders were to go into effect, the Associated Industries got out a
restraining order to prevent us from enforcing the provisions of this
act in any manner. When the case came up for hearing in the
district court, the Associated Industries attacked the constitutionality
of our act. The court sustained the constitutionality of the act, but
held that on account of a defect in the title—it provided for men,
women, and minors—it did not apply to men or minors but did to
women. That decision was promptly appealed to the supreme court
of the State, which sustained the constitutionality of the act and
went a little farther. It said that the act applied to men insofar as
hours were concerned but not as to wages. The case was referred
back to the trial court because there was nothing in the district
court’s ruling that passed on the reasonableness of these orders.
Judge Babcock, who heard the case and passed on it, made a verbal
statement that he thought theft he had covered that point and had
held that the orders were reasonable. The supreme court, however,
evidently did not understand it that way. In view of the misun­
derstanding among the general public, I sent a letter to the attorney
general, asking him for an opinion, and here is his answer, dated
June 16, 1939:
O

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t t o r n e y

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Oklahom a C ity, June 16, 1939.
Hon. W . A.

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Com m issioner o f Labor.

D ear S ir : The attorney general acknowledges receipt of yonr letter dated
June 13, 1939, wherein you refer to article 1, chapter 52, Oklahoma Session
Laws 1937, commonly referred to as the Oklahoma minimum wage and maximum
hour law, and ask:
(1) W hat is the status of this law at present?
(2) Are the nine obligatory orders promulgated by an industrial welfare com­
mission in effect at this time?
(3) Is the Oklahoma Industrial Welfare Commission authorized to enforce
said orders?
In reply to your first and second questions you are advised that the constitu­
tionality of the Oklahoma minimum wage and maximum hour law, and of the
nine obligatory orders issued under authority thereof, is now pending in the
supreme court of this State, in the case of A ssociated ' In d u stries o f Oklahoma,
et al., v. In d u strial W elfa r e Com m ission, et al., No. 28705. In this connection




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you are advised that on March 21, 1939, the supreme court of this State held
that said law was valid insofar as it authorized the promulgation of obligatory
orders fixing maximum hours of labor for men, women, and minors, and likewise
valid insofar as it authorized the promulgation of obligatory orders fixing mini­
mum wages for women, but invalid insofar as it authorized the promulgation of
obligatory orders fixing minimum wages for men and minors. In relation to said
latter holding, the attorney general, on behalf of the industrial welfare com­
mission filed on April 20, 1939, a petition for rehearing, which on May 31, 1939,
was overruled.
Moreover, in connection with the obligatory orders which the supreme court
held could lawfully be promulgated by the industrial welfare commission, the
supreme court also held that the trial court had failed to pass upon the reason­
ableness thereof, and hence did not approve or disapprove the same, but directed
that said orders be remanded to the trial court for the purpose of having the
reasonableness thereof passed upon by said court. In this connection you are
advised that in the said petition for rehearing filed by the attorney general, he,
in behalf of the industrial welfare commission, asked the supreme court to
reconsider its said holding and to pass upon the reasonableness of said orders
without requiring the same to be first remanded to the trial court. As hereto­
fore stated, said petition for rehearing was overruled on May 31, 1939, hence
said orders are now before the trial court for reconsideration.
In answer to your third question, you are advised that in the case above
mentioned the industrial welfare commission is enjoined from taking any steps
to enforce said nine obligatory orders, and will continue to be so enjoined until
said orders are approved by the supreme court.
If you desire further information on the premises, we suggest that you care­
fully examine the supreme court opinion above mentioned.
Yours very truly,
(Signed) F red H a n s e n ,

• A ssista n t

A t t o r n e y G en e ra l,

(For the Attorney General.)

It is on our statute books. It is valid as far as the district and the
supreme court of the State have ruled. It is valid, but we are re­
strained from putting any part of these obligatory orders into force
until the court has passed on them.
Miss M aurer (Oklahoma). I represent the department of women in
industry of the Oklahoma Federation of Women’s Clubs. As an
organization we are interested in minimum-wage laws. However, the
Oklahoma Federation believes that there must be a definite relation­
ship between the reasonable minimum wage and a budget. We have
been confused as to whether other States have used a subsistence
budget as a basis for figuring their wages or just what factors they
have considered in computing that budget. I should like to have
some information on that point.
Miss S titt . That question arose, and the Women’s Bureau, in coop­
eration with the Federal Bureau of Home Economics, prepared a
budget—not a subsistence budget but a budget which authorities felt
was an adequate budget for a woman living alone. The Bureau did
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much food, and so on. The States have been pricing that budget. It
has been priced in six or se'ven States as a basis for minimum wages.
It is not a subsistence budget. For instance, in Connecticut what did
you discover the cost of living to be %
Mr.

M

ooney.

Approximately $19 a week.

Miss S t i t t . Approximately $19 a week in Connecticut. In New
York it is approximately $22 a week, and in some of the other States,
$18. I think $18 is the least that any State has found that budget
costs.
O f course, so far minimum wages have not been set as high as the
budget is priced, but that gives the wage board something toward
which to aim. I f it costs a woman living alone that much to live,
then the object of the wage board is to set a minimum wage that ap­
proaches that sum as nearly as the industry is able to pay.
Mr. L ubin (Washington, D. C.). In reply to the question raised,
I should like to amplify, if I may, what Miss Stitt said. I was very
much impressed when the District of Columbia, I believe it was, in
fixing wages for a certain class of women, said that in order to hold
their jobs they had to be well dressed. Therefore, they had to have
a certain number of pairs of silk stockings and they had to wear
clothes of a certain quality. They could not keep their jobs unless
they were well dressed. Thus their minimum wage ought to be far
above the minimum in the sense that we think of minimum wTages in
relation to relief, W. P. A., etc. It is the amount the workers need to
maintain their jobs, and in certain positions the way you dress has a
lot to do with whether or not you hold your job.
Mr. M u r p h y . That same question came up in Oklahoma when we
were promulgating our rules and regulations. The question arose as
to why a saleslady should have a higher rate of pay than some other
woman workers—a laundry worker, for instance. It was brought
out that the saleslady may have to have her hair dressed two or three
times a week; she has to wear better clothes. That makes her ex­
penses higher. Unless a saleslady makes a proper appearance, she
cannot hold her job. That was our conclusion as to the difference in
the rate of pay.
Mr. F l a h e r t y (Iowa). In Iowa we do not have any State law
comparable to a minimum-wage and maximum-hour law ; the only law
of that nature is the Federal Wage and Hour Act. Efforts should
be made, particularly through the different State organizations or
through the President, to see that this law is maintained, because it
will not be very hard at the next session of the Congress to kick this
law out, if it is not called unconstitutional before that time. You
can hear it; you can see it in the different States. Organized labor
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and those active in the labor movement have had to keep, the rank
and file in line by advising them all the time to keep this law because
we need it. When representatives from the Federal Department of
Labor go into the States they should contact the men who were inter­
ested in the legislation, who helped to pass it, and who are still fight­
ing to maintain it.
Mr. W ood . I appreciated Mrs. Eaton’s words regarding the activ­
ity of organized labor in assisting the minimum-wage laws. I might
clarify our position by saying that those of us in the labor move­
ment, while heartily in sympathy with minimum-wage laws if the
minimum is high enough to be effective, have always regarded organ­
ization and not legislation as the most effective way to have minimum
wages and maximum hours. That is especially true, I think, in the
Southern States, and I rather think that it applies to the entire
country.
Mr. L ubin . Mr. Wood, I think that most of us will agree with you
fully up to a certain limit. But let me ask this: What are you
going to do about the millions who are not organized? In other
words, theoretically they are all susceptible to organization, but they
are not organized. You have to be realistic about it. I think that
organized labor has got to face this question: Does it want to stand
the threat of these unorganized folks—whom we hope it will organize
eventually—being there to take jobs at lower wages and thereby
kill the union wage rate, or should the Government through the
State come in and say there shall be a minimum below which nobody
will be permitted to work?
We have had that problem with the W. P. A. There has been a lot
of criticism that W. P. A. workers are getting too much money on the
job. There may be justifiable criticism of the administration of the
job, but if a W. P. A. project paid the union wage rate a man would
not have to take a job at a sweatshop wage, because he knew that
W. P. A. would give him a job which paid wages closer to minimum
subsistence standards. I think it is rather important that Govern­
ment and labor get together and come to some conclusion as to
whether organized labor is willing to wait 10 or 15 years until, we
hope, all labor is organized, and meanwhile to have this mass of
people who are willing to work at lower wage rates, who have not
yet joined trade unions, there to take jobs and to be a threat to the
union wage structure and keep it from being protected, or whether
organized labor wants to look to the minimum-wage law as its pro­
tector during that period. Personally, and I think I express the
point of view of many people in Washington, I like to look at the
minimum-wage law as a protector to organized labor until such time
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Mr. W ood . I do not want to leave a wrong impression; I do not
want you* to get a wrong conception of my remark. I said we are
heartily in favor of minimum-wage legislation, but we still regard
organization as the quickest and best way to reach the desired ob­
jectives. The question is asked: What are you going to do with
the unorganized? I can answer that by saying we are going to
organize them. We have not succeeded yet, but we will.
Mr. K i m b e r l i n g . In answer to the question raised by Mr. Lubin,
I realize that the unorganized workers in our country are really the
only ones who can profit at this parti^filiir time by a minimumwage law. I also realize that labor organizations can assist the labor
departments in enforcing that law. I recognize that fact because of
the history of the N. R. A .; where we had organization we found
better compliance with the N. R. A. And just to clarify that one
point, I will say to you that we have had the full cooperation of
our State labor department in trying to pass and enforce labor legis­
lation, and we have been able to work with it all the way through.
Mr. M cK i n l e y . One of our greatest difficulties in Arkansas is
determining a living wage or whatever kind of wage you want. The
attorney general ruled that we had to make a survey of each industry
in each locality. By doing that, the cost is almost prohibitive when
compared to our appropriation. Mr. Wood spoke awhile ago of some
localities in Arkansas. I presume that situation is duplicated in
every State. Where you do not have labor organizations, you have
difficulty in enforcing labor laws. Hot Springs, of course, has been
regarded of late as an “open city” in some respects. We lost 18
cases there that we ought to have won. Then we quit Hot Springs.
We get complaints and we write to the individuals that there is no
use of the State spending money there. Their local officials will not
enforce the labor law.
We have had some difficulty in our plantation country, where we
do not have labor organization. One judge was so far behind that
6 months ago he ruled that the provision as to hours of service for
women was unconstitutional. What he had to base that on, I do not
know. We were not able to appeal that case to the supreme court be­
cause we did not get the transcript in on time. The county officials
would not send us the transcript. As we could not get to the supreme
court, we had to do some trading. We did get the judge to reopen
the case and he did not make the same decision, which was due to the
help from labor organizations and attorneys who influenced him to
change his mind. I was impressed by that. Unless we have labor
organizations in the various States, our labor laws will have hard
sledding. I know that from personal experience.




Women in Industry
W omen in Industry, September 1, 1938, to September 1, 1939
R e p o r t o f C o m m itte e on W o m e n in I n d u s t r y ,

»by M ary A nderson

( U n ited S ta te s

W o m e n 's B u r e a u ), C h a irm a n

Definite advances have been made this year in improving the situ­
ation of woman workers. High spots include the decisions upholding
the Oklahoma and Utah minimum-wage laws and the New York
home-work regulation; the evidence of advance in women’s weekly
wages; the Massachusetts Supreme Court decision upholding women’s
right to work regardless of marital status; the growing opinion
favorable to legal safeguards of a large and exploited group of
woman workers, household employees; and the recognition by inter­
national conferences that woman workers have particular needs.

Forces and E v en ts T h a t A re B ette rin g C onditio ns o f W om en’s W ork
Many forces and events have been effective this year in bettering
conditions of women’s work. An idea of their scope may be given
by listing some of the more outstanding of these that arise especi­
ally from Federal and State activities.
In the -field of Federal control or aid.
1. The wages of many women have been raised through operation
of the Fair Labor Standards Act, covering an estimated 4 million
women. The statutory minimum has been adhered to for low-paid
occupations employing many women such as denial of petition for
a lower minimum for learners in pecan shelling and as throwsters
in silk factories. Many women will have wages further raised by the
putting into effect of recommendations that have been made covering
the textile, boot and shoe, apparel, and hosiery industries.
2. National Labor Kelations Board decisions have reinstated many
women in their jobs, oLen with back pay, as for example in the
following industries and plants: Texas, bags; New York, candy;
California, citrus fruits; New Orleans, cotton; North Carolina, ho­
siery; Louisiana, cotton; Virginia, wooden containers; and so forth.
3. Wages have been increased for women engaged on large public
contracts, as for example when minimums were fixed in the fol­
lowing industries: Wool carpets and rugs; tags; tobacco; furniture.
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4. Intensive studies have been made in order to find solutions for
bad employment situations, as for example in the following indus­
tries: Millinery; canning; women’s apparel; and others.
5. Benefits are being paid to women under employment compen­
sation.
6. More than S1/^ million women are now entitled to receive in­
surance in their old age.
B y the action of State authorities.
1. New minimum-wage orders in a number of industries and
States have raised the wages of many women. To ascertain the full
number of women so aided is scarcely possible, but there are con­
tinued scattered evidences. For example, a minimum-wage order
in Pennsylvania raised the pay of considerably more than half the
women in laundries; an order in Rhode Island raised the wage of
well over a third of the women making jewelry.
2. Some advances have been made in State legislation.
3. Back wages have been collected for many women whose earning
rights were protected under earlier wage orders in the States. For
example, in New York, in the first 6 months of 1939, back wages to the
amount of $23,919 for women at work in laundries, cleaning and dye­
ing plants, beauty shops, and candy factories; in California, in the
first 6 months of the year, back wages of over $31,000 for women in
hotels, restaurants and canning. In other States also large amounts
have been collected.
4. The movement for extending the benefits of State labor laws to
household employees has shown definite advances.
5. Progress has been made in curbing the exploitation of women
workers through industrial home work.
In spite of these strong forces operating toward improved working
conditions for women, there still are adverse forces to be overcome.
In the States this legislative year seems to have made less progress
than had been hoped for in meeting the needs of some of the most
exploited groups of women. Furthermore, efforts to secure exemp­
tions from the laws of various classes on grounds of personal status
rather than work efficiency have resulted in harm to women workers.
Inertia has been evident in the lack of full attention to needs of
such groups as household employees, seasonal workers, and so forth.

A dvances in W om en’s Wages
The Women’s Bureau has evidence that women’s employment as
well as their week’s wages definitely increased from the spring of 1938
to the spring of 1939. In 20 of the most important woman-employing
industries in the 12 major industrial States, the level of women’s
week’s wages is higher than last year. This is due to several fac-




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tors, but a large share in the advance may be attributed to the in­
creasing number of minimum-wage orders in the States, to new
union agreements supported by the National Labor Relations Board,
and to the activities on a Federal scale under the Public Contracts
Act and the Federal Fair Labor Standards Act.
Progress in minimum-wage administration will be reported on by
a special committee. The experiences of Minnesota and Kentucky
have made clear that serious practical difficulties are almost sure to
result from an attempt to cover groups of very different industries
with a single minimum-wage order; and the experiences of Utah
and Oklahoma emphasize further the importance of extreme care in
following the details of procedure now established as legally sound
in the fixing of minimum wages for women.
The regulation of industrial home work, so important in strength­
ening the structure of women’s wages, will be more fully reported on
by another committee. Home work is prohibited by law on large
public contracts and the minimum wages established under the Fed­
eral Fair Labor Standards Act apply to industrial home work. The
court support of the New York artificial flower and feather prohibi­
tion strengthens the legal position of State action in home-work regu­
lation. Studies in New Jersey of the knitted outerwear, artificial
flower and feather, and embroidery industries will enable that State
to extend regulation. In the miserably paid industry of embroider­
ing children’s dresses in Texas, union activity has succeeded in estab­
lishing minimum wTages for this class of workers at home.

S tate L abor L egislation an d Legal D ecisions
I am appending to this report a supplement giving more detail as
to State legislation passed this year. The high spots of hour legis­
lation show extension of coverage of the laws in California, Utah,
and Massachusetts. Laws regulating industrial home work were
passed in California and West Virginia. Exemptions or suspension
from night-work law were made in New York and Massachusetts,
respectively.
New minimum-wage laws were passed in Maine and Alaska, and
the existing laws amended in Massachusetts and New York as to pro­
cedure, in Connecticut to cover men, and in Nevada as to several
points noted in the details appended to this report. The Oklahoma
legislature rejected a proposal for repeal of the minimum-wage law.
Wage and hour bills similar to the Federal act were introduced in
29 States, though none were passed.
Coverage of household workers by existing laws was proposed,
though not passed, in several States. Bills to apply a minimum
wage to these workers were introduced in Illinois, Maryland, Massa­
chusetts, Michigan, New York, Washington, and West Virginia. An




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attempt to limit their hours was made in California, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New York, and West Virginia, though the maximum
usually suggested was as long as 60 hours a week.
A serious blow to women’s opportunities for employment was
struck in the bills introduced in the legislatures of 22 States to pro­
hibit employment of married women in public service, which would
affect large numbers of teachers, clerical workers, and other women.
Those concerned with advancing women’s employment opportunities
realize with apprehension that such measures affect not only those
who are married or who subsequently marry; the Women’s Bureau
has definite evidences that they operate also against the chances of
advancement and even of the appointment of women. At least a
part of the object sought in these laws was accomplished in two
States by joint resolutions in the legislatures, and in two others by
the Governor’s orders. However, the Massachusetts court decision
already referred to builds a first sound legal defense against this
insidious type of class legislation.
Woman Workers’ Needs Considered at International Conferences

A summary of the year’s progress for women at work would be
incomplete without reference to the importance attached to this
subject by two great international conferences.
The Eighth International Conference of American States, held
in Lima last December, issued a Declaration of Women’s Rights,
including the right “ to full protection in and opportunities for work.”
The regular session of the International Labor Conference held
in Geneva in June passed a resolution which—
* * * recognizes the great importance of the laws for the protection of
women, prohibiting night work and employment in dangerous and unhealthy
trades, but emphasises that it is urgently necessary for the health of all
workers to be protected by legislation.
recognizes the importance of the principle of equality of pay and asks that
the International Labor Office should complete its inquiry into present practice.

Summary and Future Needs

To summarize the advances for women workers this year, they in­
clude gains in employment, gains in the week’s wage, some legislative
improvements, a combination of forces at work to better conditions,
recognition by international organizations that women workers have
special needs. In looking ahead, three points stand out in importance
for our consideration and work:
First, there continues to be necessity for States to bring under
the benefits of minimum-wage and maximum-hour regulation many
workers not covered by Federal law. Large numbers of these are
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The coming year is a time for consolidation of gains, through admin­
istrative action in States that already have enabling laws, since few
States have legislative sessions in the near future.
Secondly, I would especially direct attention to the considerable
groups of workers, largely women, who are the most exploited and the
most in need of aid—three groups in particular: women in highly
seasonal occupations, household employees, and industrial home
workers. So long as these groups are overworked and underpaid,
their exploitation tends to spread to others, undermining the general
conditions of work.
Finally, I would warn everyone to beware of so-called unem­
ployment remedies that would dispossess one set of workers for
a personal reason such as marriage. We cannot afford to be led
astray by measures that would only increase hardships, and would
prove entirely ineffective in securing the ends sought. This country
needs every ounce of energy and brain power that we can muster
to increase for all groups together the opportunities for work, the
creation of suitable wages and working conditions, and the assurance
of continuation on the job. This is a great human task. It is a
task to challenge all our faculties and to command all our resources.
Supplement to Report of Women in Industry Committee
Su m m a r y

of

Law s

and

M ajor E v e n ts

Septem ber

1, 1938,

I m p r o v in g

to

W o r k in g

S eptem ber 1 ,

W o m e n ’s

Statu s,

1939

COURT ACTION

Minimum-wage laws upheld in Utah and Oklahoma (for men also).
Prohibition of industrial home work in artificial flower and feather making
upheld in New York.
Decision by the Supreme Court of Massachusetts that the prohibition of the
employment of married women in the public service while such employment
is open to men and to unmarried women would violate the Massachusetts
Constitution.
Lower courts have declared the South Carolina 56-hour law and the Arkansas
9-hour law unconstitutional. Both cases are being appealed.
ATTORNEY GENERAL’ S OPINION

In California the minimum wage of $16 was held to apply for a regular
workweek, whether of 48 or of 44 hours.
LEGISLATION IN TH E STATES

H o u r L a w s P a ssed
E x ten sio n o f covera g e.

California.— The 8 ^ 8 law, to cover beauty shops and cleaning and dyeing.
Utah.— The 8-48 law, to cover all industries, trades, occupations except house­
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Massachusetts.— The 9-48 law, to cover women and minors in offices, private
clubs, letter shops, financial institutions, garages, theaters, and any other place
of amusement. The day’s spread must fall within 10 consecutive hours, except
for telephone and transportation. Commissioner of labor may permit office
workers to exceed 9 hours a day but not 48 a week.
Massachusetts.— To include mechanical and mercantile establishments in
the law prohibiting employment of women and children for more than 6
consecutive hours without a meal period of at least 45 minutes. Also extends
this to small establishments.
W e e k l y lim it.

Montana.— To provide basic 8-48 hours for workers of both sexes in hotels,
restaurants, and cafes.
L e n g th e n e d w e e k .

New Hampshire.— To permit 60-hour week for 3 months a year— not over
lO1^ a day— in laundries licensed by labor commissioner.
New Mexico.— To permit 7-day week, within the 8-48 limit.
Pennsylvania.— To permit 10-hour day (within a spread of 13 hours) but
not more than 48 hours and 6 days a week for women in charitable or welfare
institutions operated on a nonprofit basis.
W igh t w o r k .

Massachusetts.— Extended to April 1, 1941, the suspension of the night-work
prohibition in textiles.
New York.— Extended exemption for linotypists and monotypists to those
in commercial printing.
Pennsylvania.— To amend law prohibiting work between 10 p. m. and 6 a. m.
in manufacturing to allow work until midnight in factories operating two
shifts of not over 8 hours each, not over 5 days a week.
H o u r -s p r e a d lim it.

Nevada (see under Minimum-Wage).
M in im u m -W a g e L a w s P a s s e d
N e w la w s.

Alaska.— For women over 18, minimum of $18 a week of 48 hours, 6 days.
Part time (except domestic or caretaker with no manual labor), 45 cents an
hour. Limits workweek of household employees to 60 hours.
Maine.— Women and minors packing fish and fish products in oil, mustard,
or tomato sauce.
R ep ea l r eje c ted .

Oklahoma.
A m en d ed p roced u re.

Massachusetts.— Properly certified copy of a mandatory wage order shall
be evidence of its effect equal to original order.
Minnesota.— Certain exemptions made for telephone operators on night work
and in smaller cities.
Nevada.— Fixes 3-month probationary period at less wage ($2 for 8-hour day,
$12 for 48 hours) ; limits spread of workday to 12 hours; limits deduction for
food and lodging to $1 a day, 25 cents for each meal actually consumed, and
$1.75 a week for room only.
New York.— Commissioner given 30 days (instead of 10) after public hearing
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E x ten sio n o f coverage.
Connecticut.— To cover men. Also eliminates the directory period, making
all wage orders mandatory when issued.
G overnors' m essages.
Progress in fixing minimum wages or advocacy of strengthened efforts along
this line was mentioned in messages to legislatures by the governors of Arizona,
California, Illinois, Kansas, Nevada, New Hampshire, and New Jersey.
H om e-W ork -R cgu la tion L a w s P assed
California.— Prohibits home manufacture of enumerated articles and permits
others to be prohibited, after investigation, by division of industrial welfare.
W est Virginia.— Prohibits home manufacture of certain articles, requires
employers’ permits and employees’ certificates, renewable each year, and labeling
of work before delivery to worker.
W age-an d-H our B ills
In trod u ced into the following 29 States; none passed:
Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana,
Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, New
Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode
Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin,
Wyoming.
H o u seh old -W ork er B ills
In trod u ced into the following States; none as yet passed:
To apply minimum w age: Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New
York, Washington, West Virginia.
To limit hours (usually as long as 60) : California, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New York, West Virginia.
M IN IM U M -W A G E ORDERS

M ade M a n d atory W ith in th e Y ea r
Retail. Arizona.
Laundries, or laundry and dry cleaning— Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Rhode
Island.
Beauty parlors— New York.
Restaurants— New Hampshire.
In Massachusetts, the following: Canning; confectionery and certain food;
drugs, etc.; bread and bakery products ; pocketbooks, etc.; paper boxes; millinery.
N ew O rders Issu ed
S ervice industries.
Beauty parlors— Connecticut, District of Columbia, Massachusetts.
Laundries and cleaning— Arizona.
Laundries— Minnesota, Pennsylvania. (See also mandatory orders.)
Cleaning and dyeing— Connecticut, New Jersey, New York.
Restaurant— Minnesota.
Cleaners in offices and other buildings— Massachusetts.
R eta il trades.
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Telegraph.
Minnesota.
M anufacturing industries.

Apparel and allied— New Jersey.
Confectionery— Illinois, New York. (See also mandatory orders.)
Light manufacturing— New Jersey.
Manufacturing and wholesaling— District of Columbia.
N eedlecr af t— Minnesota.
Nut— Oregon.
In Massachusetts, the following (see also mandatory orders) : Knit goods,
millinery (see also mandatory orders), canning and preserving and certain
food industries, jewelry.
Office w o rk ers and industries not oth erw ise classified.
District of Columbia.
M iscellaneous.
Kentucky.
EXTRACTS FROM

M ASSACHUSETTS

COURT DECISION

BANNING

DISM ISSAL

OF WOMEN

FROM EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE OF MARRIAGE

Replying to questions asked by the legislature, the court decreed that:
The prohibition of the employment of married women in the public service
while such employment is open to men and to unmarried women would violate
the Massachusetts Constitution.
The removal from public employment of all unmarried women upon marriage,
in the absence of any provision for the removal of unmarried men upon mar­
riage, would violate both the Massachusetts and the Federal Constitutions.
The court further stated:
The bill providing that husband and wife shall not at the same time be em­
ployed in the service of the Commonwealth discriminates between a particular
class of married persons and all other persons married or unmarried, though
under the constitution all citizens have the right to equal opportunity for
employment in the public service.
LIM A

DECLARATION

OF W OM EN’ S RIGHTS

The Eighth International Conference of American States resolved:
1. To declare that women have the right:
a. To political treatment on the basis of equality with m en;
b. To the enjoyment of equality as to civil status;
c. To full protection in and opportunities for w ork;
d. To the most ample protection as mothers.
2. To urge the governments of the American Republics which have not already
done so to adopt as soon as possible the necessary legislation to carry out
fully the principles contained in this declaration, which shall be known as “The
Lima Declaration of Women’s Rights.”
RESOLUTION

OF INTERNATIONAL LABOR CONFERENCE AT

GENEVA

E m ploym ent o f W om en
Considering that it cannot be yet said that a satisfactory solution has been
found for the problem of the equality of women in industrial and public life
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men, the International Labor Conference recognizes that one of the tasks of the
International Labor Office is to raise the position of woman workers throughout
the world.
The conference notes with satisfaction the facts set forth in the report of the
International Labor Office entitled “The Law and Women’s Work” concerning
the improvement in the conditions of employment of women, in particular as
regards maternity protection; the conference appreciates the efforts accomplished
by the International Labor Organization in this connection. The conference
recognizes the great importance of the laws for the protection of women, pro­
hibiting night work and employment in dangerous and unhealthy trades, but
emphasizes that it is urgently necessary for the health of all workers to be
protected by legislation.
The conference recognizes the importance of the principle of equality of pay
and asks that the International Labor Office should complete its inquiry into
present practice as quickly as possible, so as to enable the Governing Body to
draw its conclusions.

Legislation Affecting the Employment of Women in the C anadian Provinces
1 9 3 8 -3 9

Changes in legislative and administrative regulation of the employ­
ment of women since the last meeting have had to do chiefly with
minimum wages and are dealt with in a separate report. Maximum
hours of labor have been applied for the first time to certain indus­
tries in two Provinces and slight changes in hours regulations have
been made in others.
In Ontario, the definition of “ shop” for purposes of municipal
early closing bylaws now includes beauty parlors. In British Colum­
bia maximum hours of 9 a day and 44 a week have been fixed for
women and girls in beauty parlors, and it is stipulated that they are
to have 1 hour’s rest daily between 11 a. m. and 2:30 p. m. In
Manitoba statutory effect has been given to the maximum 8-hour day
and 48-hour week for women and for boys under 17 in shops which
were imposed by regulation under the Minimum Wage Act for some
years.
In Quebec, by an order of the Fair Wage Board, maximum hours
for females in laundries, dry-cleaning, and dyeing establishments
have been fixed but the regulation applies only to the Montreal dis­
trict. In other Provinces such workplaces are within the factory
law. The Quebec order limits hours per week to 60 and on not more
than 3 days a week a maximum of 12 hours may be worked. The
minimum wage fixed by the order, however, applies to a 54-hour
week and time and a half must be paid for any hours in excess of 54
or in excess of 10 hours a day where there is a 54-hour week or
more.
In Alberta, female telephone operators on night work may work
2 hours longer than the usual 8-hour shift, the 10 hours to be worked
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The British Columbia Municipal Superannuation Act, 1938, applies
to both male and female employees, other than pensionable teachers,
of those municipalities and school boards which adopt its provisions
and also to hospital employees on the joint request of the governing
body and a majority of the employees. The act fixes the minimum
retiring age for women at 55 and the maximum at 60 years.
In Nova Scotia and Saskatchewan, the Trade Schools Regulation
Acts of 1939 are generally similar to statutes previously enacted in
Alberta, British Columbia, Ontario, and Manitoba. They affect
several occupations largely engaged in by women such as beauty
culture, dress manufacturing, millinery, stenography, typewriting,
etc., and provide for provincial licensing and regulation of schools
of training in these occupations.
D is c u s s io n

Mr. M a r t i n e z . I want to clear up a point. In the report on women
in industry, mention is made of the different States that had enacted
legislation regulating industrial home work, and Puerto Rico is not
included. It was not mentioned in the address of the president this
morning nor in any of the other reports. I want to bring you this
information. There was adopted in Puerto Rico during the 1939
legislature Act No. 163, approved May 15, 1939, which is mentioned
also in the official bulletin of our department. There is stated the
legislative purpose, definitions are given of subcontractors, employers,
homes, home workers, industrial home work, manufacture, person,
and representative contractor, and mention is made of home work
prohibited. Investigations are authorized, deficiencies must be cor­
rected or the work discontinued, and permits must be issued to em­
ployers. There are many other provisions of the law, but those are
the most important.

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Y ou th in Industry

Apprenticeship
R ep o rt o f C om m ittee on A p p ren tice Training b y V o y t a
In d u strial C om m ission ), Chairm an

W rabetz,

( W iscon sin

The economic progress of a great industrial nation such as ours
must in large part depend upon an adequate supply of completely
skilled mechanics. Heretofore we have had such a supply, either
through the immigration of first-class skilled workers from abroad,
or through the old system of apprenticeship, whereby the “master”
made himself personally liable for turning out a thoroughly skilled
worker when he had assumed responsibility for an apprentice. The
immigration laws, however, have now reduced the skilled-worker
influx from abroad into a small trickle; and the “ stepped up” tempo
of modern business has made the old master-apprentice relationship
impractical and unworkable.
Still the demand for expertly skilled workmen remains. The im­
portance of the problem, it has now come to be generally agreed,
both by management and labor, is of first magnitude. In fact Mr.
William G. Barney, prominent New York contractor and chairman of
the Associated General Contractors Apprenticeship Committee re­
cently said in a conference in Washington that apprenticeship was
a concern not only of management and labor, but of the country
as a whole. He stated that it affected seriously our whole national
economy, and ought to be considered in such a light.
Though the national program of apprenticeship which has been
mapped out by industry, labor, and governmental labor officials,
in conjunction with the United States Department of Labor and its
Federal Committee on Apprenticeship, is based on certain simple
standards of apprenticeship, getting a nationally uniform sy tern
operating is not always simple. It is a task calling for endless
promotional and education work on a score of fronts. It is a task
which cannot and should not be done on a high-pressure basis. It
is a very easy matter for an employer to sign an indenture with an
apprentice under pressure of enthusiasm. It is another thing for
him to understand the reason why there must be a uniform system
of apprenticeship, to understand the philosophy behind it, to be
thoroughly familiar with the standards under which he agrees to
train his apprentices and the responsibilities entailed, and finally,

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insofar as it is humanly possible, to fulfill his obligations to the
apprentice.
It is on this basis that real apprenticeship must be established.
Apprenticeship is not primarily an educational problem, since the
majority o f the training received by the apprentice is on the job.
It is not just an employer’s problem, since the number of appren­
tices trained, their wage rates, etc., are matters of serious concern
to labor organizations. It is not just an employee’s problem, for it
involves legal responsibility and financial responsibility on the part
of the employer. It is a problem involving all these parties and
since it is essentially a labor-standards problem, it devolves on
governmental labor officials to take the lead in solving it. Repeatedly
this has been pointed out. Repeatedly it has been pointed out
also that with labor and management working together, cooperating
with State labor departments, sound apprenticeship systems can
be and have been developed.
In our report of last year there was set forth in some detail the
reasons for the establishment of the Federal Committee on Appren­
ticeship. The Committee’s standards and methods of operation were
also explained. A brief review of the Committee’s activities in co­
operation with management and labor groups and State departments
of labor, was likewise presented. It is felt that while it is necessary
that governmental labor officials be acquainted with the national pro­
gram, due to the need for some degree of common approach, it will
be more useful to those in attendance to review apprenticeship activi­
ties and problems from the point of view of the State labor depart­
ment officials. Various Federal laws and regulations which affect in
some way or another the operation of State apprenticeship systems
are among some of the problems of concern to State labor department
officials. The Fair Labor Standards Act is one which recognized
the problem of apprenticeship and through the regulations of the
Administrator has provided for the approval of apprentice indentures
by State apprenticeship agencies in labor departments, or by the
Federal Committee in the absence of State councils. The Adminis­
trator’s regulations provide that before he will consider an applica­
tion for exemption from the minimum wages set forth by law that
there must be presented to him an apprenticeship indenture approved
by the State apprenticeship council. This, of course, applies only to
interstate industry, but it does present a problem in handling and in
clearance to the State department of labor officials charged with ap­
prenticeship matters. Several States have already established definite
procedures as well as mimeographed information releases which
briefly set forth the standards to be met by employers who desire to
apply to the Administrator of Fair Labor Standards Act for a cer­
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The Public Contracts Board under the Walsh-Healey Act has es­
tablished regulations on apprenticeship where Government purchases
are concerned in several industries. Provision is made for the em­
ployment of apprentices below the minimum-wage rate set forth
if the apprentice is employed under the standards recommended
by the Federal Committee on Apprenticeship. This in turn means
under State apprenticeship council standards. In order to assist
State labor department officials the Federal Committee will
provide them with material, at any time they desire, suggestive of
the manner in which other States may have handled problems apply­
ing to the regulation of the employment of apprentices. In addition
to regulations under these specific acts the Assistant Administrator
of the Public Works Administration has provided for the employ­
ment of apprentices on public works projects wherein the employment
of such persons is in accordance with certain specific standards.
In view of these Federal regulations which affect apprenticeship, it
is quite necessary that every State labor department official concerned
be well informed in order to be able to administer his own State ap­
prenticeship system; otherwise confusing problems are bound to arise.
In some cases employers may, without intent, employ apprentices in
such a manner as to break a law or regulation and in turn be fined
for such transgressions.
Four more States have adopted apprenticeship legislation calling
for the setting up of apprenticeship councils and the promotion of ap­
prenticeship standards, under the administration of State departments
o f labor—California, Nevada, Minnesota, and North Carolina. These,
added to the 6 which already have similar legislation, make a total
of 10 States having such legislation.
One State—Pennsylvania—since last year has established an
apprenticeship council to operate within its State department of labor
and industry, without having passed apprenticeship legislation, mak­
ing a total of nine such States.
In connection with this activity the report of the committee on
apprenticeship of the Fifth National Conference on Labor Legisla­
tion, which met in Washington in November of last year, recom­
mended as follows: “That organized labor and organized industry
and the commissioners of labor in the States where no joint councils
on apprenticeship exist be urged to press vigorously for the estab­
lishment of such councils and for State apprenticeship legislation
within the State departments of labor. Such legislation should be
accompanied by an appropriation adequate to provide proper per­
sonnel for administration.”
It should be noted that of the four States which adopted appren­
ticeship legislation this year, two—North Carolina and Minnesota—
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a paid director of apprenticeship. In Virginia the State federation
of labor instructed its legislative committee to press for an appro­
priation for the administration of the apprenticeship law adopted in
1938; and the commissioner of labor has publicly stated that he will
request the legislature to provide such an appropriation.
It is of primary importance that every effort be made to obtain an
appropriation at least sufficient to provide for the employment of a
field representative. For while much good work can be done by
utilizing the field staff of the apprenticeship service of the Division
of Labor Standards, the time that can be spent in any one State by
these men is necessarily limited. It is highly important that, once
activity with a certain group is started, the enthusiasm be not
allowed to lag. A full-time director of apprenticeship is in much
better position to prevent this lag.
One of the principal activities of the State apprenticeship agencies
is promoting the establishment of local joint apprenticeship com­
mittees and the adoption of local apprenticeship standards. These
committees are, as it were, the front-line troops in the attack on the
problem. It is they who must work out the actual operating details.
It is they who must see to it that, once the apprenticeship system is set
up, it does what it is intended to do—indenture apprentices, see
that the apprentice gets his related instruction, maintains a fair-wage
scale, transfers apprentices from one employer to another where this
is necessary to give him full experience—these and a dozen other
matters have to be handled by the committee in such a way that the
interests of the apprentice, the employer, the labor union, and the
public are safeguarded. In the final analysis, therefore, any national
or State program of apprenticeship will be successful to the extent
that these local committees function successfully.
Too much emphasis cannot be placed on the necessity of providing
adequate personnel to do the actual work locally. After all, the
purpose of every apprenticeship plan is to have apprentices learning
the trades.
To illustrate, many employers in the manufacturing industries are
ready and willing to hire apprentices if they can be shown the feasi­
bility of the idea. Certain apparent difficulties first must be over­
come. There must, for example, be a complete understanding between
the management and the organization of employees as to the motives
behind the desire for an apprenticeship program. The employer
alone is in a poor position to satisfy the employee organization that
seniority rights will not be abused. Then details must be worked out
as to ratio o f apprentices, wages, schedule of training, super­
vision, part-time classroom instruction, and methods of selecting ap­
prentices. Months of somebody’s time are required to create a going
apprenticeship plan in a single shop.




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In the construction industry an entirely different and even more
complicated set of problems must be met before there can be any
tangible results. Due to economic conditions generally, to the seasonal
nature of the building crafts, and to the fact that it is necessary
to deal with a number of separate trade unions, it is imperative that
it be some neutral person’s responsibility to bring about harmonious
understanding and cooperation between contractors and labor unions
in promoting apprenticeship.
The problem, then, is to arrange for the employment and training
of personnel to carry on the work locally.
Adequate coordination from a State point of view is most necessary
in order to keep these local committees active and functioning. Coor­
dination at a distance can be performed, of course through a reporting
system in which the local committees report to the State department
of labor (State apprenticeship council). I f each local apprentice­
ship committee is kept well informed, the clearance of indentures and
local apprenticeship standards for approval can be fairly well secured.
These local committees must be kept interested if they are to be active.
The best way to keep them active is to give them something to do;
One could hardly say that there is much difference in brands of
chewing gum. Nevertheless, one company leads the field in sales of
chewing gum principally because of the fact that the public is con­
stantly confronted with its advertisements—in newspapers, on bill­
boards, and in other places. The same thing applies to the leading
manufacturer of soft drinks. As Government labor officials we must
adopt a technique similar to that of these companies. A number of
labor officials, who recognize the importance of apprenticeship as a
principal labor problem, are already showing the way in this respect.
We find that these officials lose no opportunity to emphasize its im­
portance—at meetings or conventions of trade associations or labor
organizations, in regular reports of their departments, and in fact
wherever there may be an appropriate audience.
Likewise, individual employers or members of trade unions often
can be persuaded to assume the leadership within their respective
circles in speaking for good apprenticeship. Examination of records
of successful apprenticeship plans within a given community or indus­
try invariably shows that almost full credit is due to one or two
persons. Inversely, only one or two influential persons within a trade
can prevent the development of apprenticeship.
In the promotion of apprenticeship your committee feels, how­
ever, that considerable time may be wasted in devoting too much
effort to contacting organizations or groups which have no direct
concern with apprenticeship, such as luncheon clubs, youth organ­
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suits may be obtained through such organizations. But they cannot
be expected to look upon apprenticeship as one of their prime
concerns. With trade associations, labor unions, etc., apprenticeship
is, however, a prime concern, and we feel that it is better to con­
centrate on them, demonstrating how apprenticeship affects their
interests, explaining standards, informing them how an apprentice­
ship system works, helping them set up systems of apprenticeship.
Those who have had much experience in apprenticeship activity
are continually saying that once a system of apprenticeship is
started it should not be allowed to lag. Once interest dies down,
it is extremely difficult to revive it. It is your committee’s belief
that it is better to start a few such systems, which can be closely
supervised, rather than a large number, to each of which the super­
vising official can devote only a limited amount of time.
In this connection, it would seem advisable to comment on the
urgency of promptly following up the passage of an apprentice­
ship law by appointment of the State council, and of getting the
State system of apprenticeship under way as soon as orderly pro­
cedure and careful consideration will permit. It is usually the case
that in the negotiation of a law through a legislature a large
amount of interest, aggressiveness, and even enthusiasm is engendered.
After the bill is passed, if too long a time is allowed to lapse before
appointment of council members and getting the State program
started, there may be an anti-climax, which will inevitably make
the promotional work much more arduous.
As a technique in conducting meetings of State councils it has been
found that the effectiveness of the councils, as units and as indi­
viduals, is best where the council members are given problems to
solve. Where there are no specific problems to be solved, or decisions
to be made, members are inclined to discount the importance of
the work. Contrariwise, where there are indentures to be approved,
standards to be reviewed, complaints to be heard, promotional
devices to be discussed, or other matters up for consideration which
call for sound thinking, and follow-up assignments for individual
members to perform, the interest of the members is usually kept
at a high pitch, and their work is much more apt to be conducive
of tangible results. As part of their technique, most of those
guiding the work of apprenticeship councils, before calling a meet­
ing, prepare agendas covering such matters as are to come before
the council for consideration; and do not call a meeting until there
is a sufficient number of such matters to engage the full attention
of the members.
Your committee makes the following definite recommendations:
1. Where no apprenticeship laws, under the administration of
State departments of labor exist, concerted effort should be made




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through labor unions, trade associations, and other groups con­
cerned, to bring about active desire for such legislation—since a
State system of apprenticeship may be expected to function better
where there is specific legal authorization.
2. Where there is an apprenticeship council, set up either through
a law, or through authority of the labor commissioner, there ought
to be a full-time field representative educating employers and em­
ployees to the importance of apprenticeship, organizing local
committees and establishing standards.
3. That there be more frequent contact between State labor de­
partment officials and the apprenticeship field staff of the Division of
Labor Standards of the United States Department of Labor. To
make this possible the number of field representatives should be
increased.
4. Interest should not be allowed to lag in places where local
committees have been appointed and standards established.
5. That there be closer cooperation with such educational insti­
tutions as will eventually be called upon to supply apprentice parttime instruction. Compliance with apprenticeship standards hinges
largely on how well the schools meet their obligations in this respect.
D is c u s s io n

Mr. D u r k in (Illinois). We are going to have a problem in this
connection very shortly. In certain occupations we are getting to
the point, with the war scare we have, where there will probably be
created a shortage of certain classes of workers, for whom training
should be given. I know that all the unemployed union workers in
the skilled trades do not register in our State employment offices,
and it is pretty hard to tell the number of unemployed at any given
period in a particular industry because of not knowing how many
members of labor organizations happen to be unemployed.
I f we should change our neutrality act, the manufacturers of war
materials may find that there is quite a shortage of labor, due to the
age of some of the workers. The organization I belong to was or­
ganized back in 1885. Hence some of the members are getting a
little old, and in case of war probably some of the employers will
take them only when there is a real shortage of members of that par­
ticular organization. I think this is something that needs considera­
tion by labor organizations, because I know the gain that a labor
organization can make by having apprentice training. The organi­
zation that I belong to takes advantage of the Federal law giving
States and cities moneys for the training of apprentices, and because
of that we have built a school in the city of Chicago that is probably
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This is something that labor will have to consider, and when I
say “labor,” I mean organized labor. I know that in some com­
munities where there is not a great increase in industry, where the
population is not very large, it may be a problem as to how to edu­
cate the members to apprenticeship training in their particular or­
ganization or trade. It may be necessary to change the classification
of workers. Many of us do not call them apprentices; we do not
treat them as apprentices. We treat them as helpers. . In other
sections of the country they consider them as laborers to help and
assist craftsmen in their particular line, and it is necessary, in
order to improve the quality of our craftsmen, that they be trained.
It is also necessary for employers to teach the people in their
particular industry more than one operation. We find in the mass
industries the people are operators, not learning a particular trade,
and when these industries discard that operation, they generally
discard the workers who have performed it.
Mr. E r h a r d (Texas). I think that the commissioners here should
realize that apprenticeship is something that is of vital importance.
All through the South—the South is the only section of the country
to which I can refer with any authority— we find that it is very
important that the skilled crafts develop a good system of appren­
ticeship in order that they may carry these boys through a complete
training program. Too many go into skilled crafts who are not
fitted for them. They do not have the basic requirements. Too
many are lost during apprenticeship. Too many are worked as
laborers on the jobs and are not given an opportunity to learn
a trade. The result is, if you will take the time to check the unem­
ployment rolls, that there are a large number of partially trained
people seeking employment who have not had the opportunity of
a thorough apprenticeship. Those people have gotten out of their
particular groove and have become lost in the industrial shuffle.
Apprenticeship is the setting up of basic standards that are
necessary for success. Basic requirements are set up for each
specific craft and this is done in such a way that success is almost
guaranteed. The result is that the program gains momentum; it
gains the respect of the employers and employees participating in it.
Apprenticeship is a big program, though, and takes some time to
get under way, because of the various groups and the various regu­
lations applying to apprenticeship.
We find, however, that when the State department of labor
supplies the proper leadership, sets up an apprenticeship council,
and develops a State system of apprenticeship, various groups in the
State become interested in it, and set up their own local joint ap­
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begin to develop local systems of apprenticeship. Those local sys­
tems o f apprenticeship are carried before the trade organizations that
are interested in them and are endorsed by them as their apprentice­
ship systems. That apprenticeship system is carried on by this joint
apprenticeship committee because it has been instructed and given
the power to act for the employer and employee organizations in
this way.
In the final analysis, you must realize that apprenticeship is the
responsibility of the two organized groups, employers and employees,
represented in the industry. They are the only ones who can suc­
cessfully conduct an apprentice program. When you follow this
procedure and make it possible by supplying the leadership that is
necessary in order to get an apprenticeship program under way, you
will meet with success.
I want you, as representatives of the State departments of labor, to
realize that this problem is squarely in your lap. I think you should
recognize the importance of it, and that you should go back to your
State with the idea that apprenticeship is one of the programs to
which you will give the proper leadership in the future.




Child Labor
Child Labor in 1939
R e p o r t o f C o m m itte e o n C hild L a b o r , b y B e a t r i c e M

cC o n n e ll

( U n ited S ta te s

C h ild ren 's B u r e a u ), C h a irm a n

For the first time since this organization appointed a special child
labor committee, in 1932, your committee’s report brings to you a
review o f a period in which there has been dual responsibility for
child-labor regulation throughout the country, enforced along the
same administrative lines by both Federal and State agencies. This
is not the first time, however, that this association has had a part in
plans for such joint administrative responsibility.
The attitude of the International Association of Governmental
Labor Officials to Federal child-labor standards has always been one
of hearty advocacy and cooperation. In 1914 when this association
first met as a single group, combining the International Association
of Factory Inspectors and the International Association of Labor
Commissioners, its conviction of the need for Federal legislation to
smooth out enforcement difficulties due to differing State standards
was expressed by the adoption of a resolution that children under 14
years of age “ should be protected by Federal power” and that goods
manufactured by children under 14 years of age should be excluded
from shipment in interstate commerce by Federal law.
During the quarter of a century that has elapsed since that reso­
lution was adopted, there have been both advances and reverses in
the attainment of a Federal minimum standard for the protection of
working children. The Palmer-Owen bill, which this organization
endorsed in 1914, became at the next session of Congress the KeatingOwen bill and in 1916 the first Federal child-labor law. During the
barely 9 months it was in operation, from September 1, 1917, to June
3, 1918, the members of this Association were active in supporting its
effective administration. In the intervening period, whenever an
opportunity has offered for support of such a Federal minimum or
for the development of practical methods for carrying it out, you
have played your part—in administration of the second Federal
child-labor law between 1919 and 1922, in advocacy of the childlabor amendment proposed in 1924, in supporting the administration
of the National Industrial Recovery Act from 1933 to 1935, in work­
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and during the past year in giving yeoman service in assisting to
work out and put into effect the administration of the new Federal
act. Indeed, the child-labor provisions of the Fair Labor Standards
Act give an opportunity for teamwork between the States and the
Children’s Bureau which has not been offered since the days of the
short-lived first Federal child-labor law.
This association expressed great regret at the overthrow of the
first and second Federal child-labor laws, pointing out that Federal
child-labor legislation had been of material assistance in upholding
State standards. In the administration of the child-labor provisions
of the Fair Labor Standards Act the Children’s Bureau has kept as
its aim and purpose the administration of the Federal law as a means
of supporting State standards and encouraging and developing the
best methods and procedures for increasing their effectiveness.
With the specific terms of the act you are already familiar; its basic
16-year minimum age, its regulation of the employment of children be­
tween 14 and 16 years of age in certain nonmanufacturing and nonmin­
ing occupations, its protection of minors 16 and 17 years of age from
hazardous and injurious occupations, and its provision that an em­
ployer may protect himself from unintentional violation by obtaining
a certificate of age issued according to standards prescribed by the
Children’s Bureau. This association, following its consistent policy
of supporting legislative measures to deal with child-labor problems
on a national basis, adopted last year a resolution extending to the
Federal Children’s Bureau the fullest cooperation of its membership
in the administration of these standards. The groundwork which
has already been laid in establishing cooperative relationships between
the States and the Children’s Bureau for the acceptance of State
certificates as evidence of age under the Federal act is concrete evi­
dence of the spirit back of that resolution.
Fortunately, the specific provisions of the Federal act made possible
the establishment of these cooperative relationships: 1. It provided that
an unexpired certificate of age kept on file by the employer, showing
the minor to be above the oppressive child-labor age, would be evidence
that the employer was complying with the minimum-age provision
o f the law, thus setting the pattern of administration of Federal
law in the outline already developed in methods of administer­
ing State child-labor laws through employment certificate systems;
2. By specifying that this certificate should be issued and held
pursuant to the regulations set up by the Chief of the Children’s
Bureau, it made possible the formulating and developing of standards
for good methods of certificate issuance; and 3. By providing that
the Chief of the Children’s Bureau might, with their consent and
cooperation, utilize the services of State and local agencies charged
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as a basis for administration the systems of certificate issuance that
are the keystone of enforcement of State child-labor laws without
a duplicate Federal system.

C ertificates o f Age
The standards governing the evidence of age which should be ac­
cepted for certificates and the manner in which they should be issued
to afford the protection contemplated by the law, drawn up by the
Children’s Bureau and incorporated in Child Labor Regulation No. 1,
are a composite of the best standards which have been worked out
in State administration. The plan of obtaining State cooperation,
and of designating the cooperating States as States in which a cer­
tificate issued under the State law will be accepted as proof of age
under the Federal act, is that followed in the enforcement of the
first Federal child-labor law in which the State and local officials so
effectively participated. There has been great improvement in childlabor standards and the development in enforcement techniques since
that time. Nevertheless, as you realize, there are still wide differences
in State standards today. In some States the law meets substantially
the standards set up by the Children’s Bureau both as to evidence
of age to be accepted and as to the ages of children for whom certifi­
cates must be issued. In other States certain changes were neces­
sary in order to meet these standards, such as the requirement of a
promise of employment, the return of the certificate to the local
issuing office or provision for supervision by a State agency. In
still other States where the cooperation of State officials was obtained,
no certificates had been issued in the past for children between 16 and
18 years of age and special procedures for the issuance of certificates
for this age group were necessary.
As a result of these adjustments, there are 43 States and the Dis­
trict of Columbia in which State certificates are accepted as evidence
of age under the Federal act. In three States, Mississippi, South
Carolina, and Idaho, Federal certificates are being issued. In Idaho
the superintendent of public instruction, and in South Carolina an
official of the department of labor have been commissioned as special
agents of the Children’s Bureau to issue Federal certificates. Only
two States, Louisiana and Texas, remain in which no provision for
certificates of age under the Federal act has as yet been worked out.
It is hoped that plans for issuance of such certificates can soon be
made in these States. In the meantime employers in these States
have been advised, through Child Labor Regulation No. 1A-D, Tem­
porary Certificates of Age, that they can protect themselves from
unintentional violation by obtaining for their minor employees birth
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H azardous O ccupations
The determination of occupations especially hazardous for the em*
ployment of minors between 16 and 18 years of age. The term
“explosives and articles containing explosive components,” includes
ammunition, black powder, blasting caps, fireworks, primers, smoke­
less powder, and all goods classified as explosives by the Interstate
Commerce Commission in its regulation for transportation o f explo­
sives by rail.1
Work preparatory to the determination of the hazards of the em­
ployment of minors in the operation of motor vehicles or as helpers
on such vehicles is now being carried on, and a preliminary hearing
to secure information in regard to such employment has been held
and an order covering these occupations will be issued in the near
future.
The reaction to the determination of occupations hazardous to
minors according to* the procedures set up by the Children’s Bureau
has been generally favorable. Certain State departments of labor
have already indicated to the Children’s Bureau that they are intend­
ing to follow its lead in setting up hazardous-occupation standards in
their States.
The reports of the Children’s Bureau research will be available
for State use in dealing with this problem and on the other hand the
cooperation of State agencies is very much needed in making avail­
able to the Children’s Bureau statistical and other factual informa­
tion as to industrial injuries to minors. The importance of improve­
ment in State legislation in the protection of the 16 to 18 year age
group has long been recognized and has often been advocated by this
organization. It is to be expected that the Federal program in this
field will stimulate State advances.

E m ploy m ent o f 14 and 15 Y ear O ld C h ild ren
Another important aspect of the basic 16-year minimum-age stand­
ard under the child-labor provisions of the Fair Labor Standards
Act is the provision that in nonmanufacturing and nonmining oc­
cupations children 14 and 15 years of age may be employed under
certain conditions, these occupations and conditions of employment
to be determined by the Children’s Bureau not to interfere with their
schooling, health, or well-being. The procedure followed by the
Bureau in making these determinations is similar to that set up for
determining occupations especially hazardous for minors between 16
and 18; i. e., a study of existing information, consultation with per1 Regulations for Transportation by Rail of Explosives, etc., as amended, Docket 3666,
issued pursuant to the act of March 4, 1921 (41 Stat. 1444, c. 172 ; U. S. Code, tit. 18,
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sons qualified and interested in the field, public hearings, and sub­
mission of tentative drafts before final determinations.
Kegulation No. 3 issued by the Children’s Bureau sets up the con­
ditions under which minors between 14 and 16 may be employed,
excluding them entirely from manufacturing, mining, and processing
occupations, from work on power-driven machinery or hoisting ap­
paratus, from the operation of motor vehicles or service helpers on
such vehicles and from public messenger service. For these employ­
ments the minimum age remains 16 at any time. In other occupations
subject to the act, employment outside school hours is permitted
subject to maximum-hour and night-work regulations. The maxi­
mum hours of employment are 3 a day or 18 a week when school is
in session and 8 a day or 40 a week when school is not in session.
Night work is prohibited between 7 p. m. and 7 a. m. with one ex­
ception—the distribution of newspapers. In such work, insofar as
it is covered by the provisions of the act, the beginning hour may be
6 a. m. and the closing hour, during the summer months, 8 p. m., but
if a minor is so employed both before and after noon on school days,
his work must not begin before 7 a. m. or end later than 7 p. m.
Certificates of age issued in substantially the same manner as that
provided for minors between 16 and 18 years of age are acceptable un­
der the Fair Labor Standards Act as proof of age for children so em­
ployed, and the cooperative system worked out with the States is
the same as in the case of certificates of age for children in the older
age group.

Inspection
Through these cooperative methods of making certificates of age
available and by publicizing as fully as possible complete information
about the requirements of the law and the regulations, the Children’s
Bureau has attempted as far as possible to obtain voluntary compli­
ance with these provisions on the part of employers. Neverthe­
less, to discover violations which may occur in spite of such voluntary
compliance, inspection is necessary. Inspections are made by the
Bureau in places where there is reason to believe children are em­
ployed and to check on the availability of certificates of age. Co­
operative arrangements have been worked out by the Children’s
Bureau and the Wage and Hour Division in such a way as to avoid,
in general, duplicate inspections. In canning and packing plants,
which are to a large extent excluded from the wage and hour provi­
sions but are covered by the child-labor provisions, a general inspec­
tion program has been carried on by the Children’s Bureau during
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C o u rt A c tio n
Direct legal action against violators is a last resort in bringing
about compliance with any law, but it is a very important feature
of enforcement, because voluntary compliance cannot be expected to
continue as long as willful violators go undiscovered or if discovered,
unpunished. The act provides for two kinds of legal action—injunc­
tion proceedings and criminal prosecution. The Children’s Bureau,
in developing enforcement procedures, has not resorted to court action
frequently. In most cases where evidence of illegal employment has
been found, employers have hastened to dismiss the children under­
age and promise to avail themselves of the protection of certificates
of age for their minor workers. However, three court cases for
child-labor violations have been instituted. Two of these were in­
junction proceedings against firms employing minors under 16, each
resulting in a consent decree and the issuance of a perpetual injunc­
tion against shipment in interstate commerce in the future if children
under 16 years of age are employed. The third action is a criminal
prosecution in which the Children’s Bureau has joined with the Wage
and Hour Division and which has been set for trial after the first of
October.

C hild-L abor A m en d m en t

National protection for children whose employment is outside the
scope of the Fair Labor Standards Act must await ratification of the
child-labor amendment, which has been supported by this organiza­
tion for many years. Plans for its ratification undoubtedly will be
stimulated by the decision of the United States Supreme Court last
June which had before it two cases from the highest courts of Kan­
sas and Kentucky dealing with the present status of the amendment.
In both these cases it had been argued that the amendment was no
longer subject to ratification, for two reasons, i. e., because of the lapse
of time since its submission in 1924 and because the legislature of each
of these States had previously rejected it. These arguments were
not sustained by the United States Supreme Court, that Court holding
that these were political questions not subject to court review. As a
result, the Kansas and Kentucky ratifications still stand, and only
eight more States are needed to make up the 36 necessary for the
adoption of the amendment.

S tate L egislation
The progress in Federal standards for the protection of child
workers serves to emphasize the importance of State legislative stand­
ards. The provisions of the Federal Act in any case apply only to
workers in industries producing goods for interstate commerce, and
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progress in State legislation. Advances in State legislation to which
this association voted last year to extend its support have been
achieved to a limited extent in 1939. The important needs, as ex­
pressed in your recommendations in 1938, are the raising of State
standards so as to bring State legislative standards for the productive
industries at least up to those of the Federal act, the extension of those
standards to commercial and personal-service industries not covered
by the Federal act, and the provision for employment certification up
to 18 years of age and for adequate State supervision of local certifi­
cate issuance. Some progress has been made through administrative
extensions under powers already existing, but very often specific
legislative action is necessary to bring about the desired advances.
Reviewing briefly the action of State legislatures in 1939, advances
may be noted affecting minimum age, employment certificate re­
quirements, and hours of labor standards for young workers. Two
States, West Virginia and Massachusetts, adopted a basic minimum
age of 16. In West Virginia both the child-labor and the compulsoryschool-attendance laws were amended and through an interpretation
of these two laws as revised the minimum age is brought into line with
the 16-year minimum of the Fair Labor Standards Act. Massachu­
setts established a basic 16-year minimum age in place of its present
14-year minimum. Work in factories, stores, and other enumerated
establishments and in any work during school hours, including street
trades, is prohibited for children under 16 years of age with limited
exceptions. This brings to 12 the number of States with such a
minimum. Hawaii and Alaska also adopted a basic minimum age
of 16, although the Alaska provision applies only to girls. Certain
advances were made in the regulation of hours of work, the most
important being the adoption by West Virginia and Hawaii of a
maximum 8-hour day and a 40-hour week for minors under 16. In
Massachusetts the maximum 9-hour day, 48-hour week for women
and minors was extended to apply to private clubs, offices, letter
shops, financial institutions, places of amusement, and garages.
Laws affecting the issuance of employment or age certificates were
passed in Connecticut, Florida, Massachusetts, West Virginia, and
Hawaii. In Connecticut and West Virginia the law relating to
certificates was strengthened; in Florida the new school code in­
cluded detailed provisions with respect to the issuance of employment
certificates for minors under 16 and for certificates of age for minors
16 years of age and over, under supervision of the State department
of education, which substantially meet the requirements set up by the
Children’s Bureau under the Federal law. In Massachusetts pro­
vision was made whereby an employment permit may be issued to a
child under 16 in the discretion of the superintendent of schools if
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he determines that the child’s welfare will be better served through
the granting of such a permit.
Minor workers are also affected by certain changes in the work­
men’s compensation laws. The workmen’s compensation law re­
cently adopted in Arkansas applies to both legally and illegally
employed minors, illegally employed minors receiving the same com­
pensation as if they were legally employed. In Maryland the re­
quirement that the employer shall have knowledge of the illegal
employment was eliminated from the provisions of the compensation
law requiring the payment of extra compensation to minors illegally
employed. In Pennsylvania a backward step was taken in lowering
from 100 percent to 10 percent the additional compensation payable
under the workmen’s compensation law in case of injury to minors
illegally employed.
Another State legislative advance recommended by this association
last year was the improvement of compulsory school attendance
standards and particularly the raising to 18 of the age to which school
attendance of children should be required, except for children 16
and over who are employed. Though no State made this specific
advance, there were a number of improvements in school-attendance
standards. Massachusetts, West Virginia, and Florida strengthened
their compulsory school-attendance laws by restricting the exemptions
permitted from school attendance. North Carolina, which requires
school attendance only up to 14 years of age, adopted an act raising
the upper age to 16 in Buncombe County, and Georgia strengthened
the penalty for violation of the provisions of the compulsory schoolattendance law. In Pennsylvania, however, the 18-year upper age
for compulsory school attendance which would have been effective
in September 1939, was reduced to 17, the upper age now in effect,
and the provision permitting children to leave school at 15 on a
special permit for agricultural work or domestic service was amended
to lower this age to 14 under certain conditions.
In the regulation of industrial home work, a field of child labor
in which this organization has always shown great concern, a number
of advances were made. California and West Virginia both adopted
new acts for the regulation of industrial home work. In California,
the new law specifically sets up the same standards for the issuance
of a home worker’s certificate to persons under 16 as are required for
issuance of work permits under the school law. Massachusetts
raised the minimum age for the issuance of a certificate to an indus­
trial home worker from 14 to 16 years, and Puerto Bico enacted a
new industrial home-work law which sets a minimum age of 16 for
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The only regulation relating to employment of children in theatri­
cal performances was a backward step in Massachusetts where the
law was amended to permit the appearance of a child of any age,
under certain conditions, in a play or musical comedy in a theater.
Several advances in State minimum-wage legislation were made this
year, but only one, that of Maine, substantially increases the protec­
tion offered minor workers. The new law in that State provides for
the establishment of minimum wages for both minors and women in
the packing of fish and fish products.
No legislation was enacted relating specifically to the work of
children in agriculture. As the provisions of the Fair Labor Stand­
ards Act do not apply to the work of children on farms during those
periods when the child is not required to attend school—the very
periods when most agricultural work is done—it must be recognized
that to a large extent the regulation of the work of children in indus­
trialized agriculture is a State responsibility. A beginning of a
joint program was made this year, however, in connection with the
Sugar Act of 1937, which is administered by the United States
Department of Agriculture. Under this act benefits to sugar-beet
or sugarcane growers are made conditional on compliance with cer­
tain labor standards, i. e., a minimum age of 14 and a maximum
8-hour day for children between 14 and 16, children of crop owners
working for their own parents being exempted. It has been demon­
strated that the effective enforcement of this type of legislation, as
in all other child-labor restrictions, depends upon the administrative
methods used to bring about compliance. Kealizing this, the Chil­
dren’s Bureau and the Department of Agriculture agreed to attempt
on a demonstration basis this year to make available to sugar-beet
growers in Michigan and Ohio certificates of age for children em­
ployed in the beet fields. The Children’s Bureau accepted responsi­
bility for developing the necessary procedures with State and local
officials in charge of certificate issuance, and the Department of Agri­
culture accepted the responsibility of making State and county
committees administering the Sugar Act familiar with the program
and of encouraging sugar-beet growers to obtain certificates for
children in their employ. It is hoped that this demonstration will
point the way to a program in 1940 which will make available cer­
tificates of age for children in all beet-growing areas in the United
States.
An important advance in regulation of street trades was made
by Massachusetts. The limitation of the former street-trades law to
cities o f 50,000 or over was eliminated and the 16-year minimum age
adopted for all work during school hours applies to work in street
trades unless the boy is 12 or over and has a permit issued only after




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the superintendent of schools has determined that the child’s best
interests will be served by such issuance.
Regarding employment of children in street trades, the States hold
the primary responsibility. The “ little merchant” is removed to
a large extent from the application of child-labor legislation, since
he is often regarded as an independent contractor rather than em­
ployee. Your committee believes that this association might well
take under serious consideration the formulation of legislative stand­
ards which would make the persons profiting by the work of child
distributors of newspapers and magazines responsible for their
employment.

C hild-L abor L egislation in C anada

So far as this committee has been able to learn, no legislation
relating specifically to the employment of minors was enacted dur­
ing the past year in the Canadian Provinces.

In te rn a tio n a l L abor O rg an isatio n C o n v en tio n s
The Congress of the United States has before it a bill relating to
the minimum age for employment of children on vessels which
would implement the International Labor Organization convention
raising the minimum age for the employment of children at sea,
adopted by that organization in 1936’ and ratified by the Government
of the United States in 1938. This bill, which would fix a basic mini­
mum age of 16’ years for employment on small vessels and a minimum
age of 18 years for employment on large vessels and in certain other
particularly hazardous maritime employments, has been introduced
in the House. No action has been taken by Congress during the past
year on the two conventions raising from 14 to 15 the minimum age
for the work of children in industrial employment and in non­
industrial employment which, according to your committee’s report
last year, had been sent by the President to Congress. There appear
to have been no further developments with regard to the power of
the Dominion Parliament of Canada to enact measures giving effect
to the conventions of the International Labor Organization, since
the Supreme Court of Canada declared such action beyond the power
of Parliament.

R ecom m end a t ions
In conclusion your committee on child labor recommends that the
International Association of Governmental Labor Officials reaffirms
its support o f:
(a)
The amendment of State laws (1) to bring the State child labor standards
for manufacturing and mining industries up to those of the Fair Labor Stand­
ards A c t; (2) to extend these standards to those types of employment not




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covered by the Fair Labor Standards A c t; (3) to provide for employment
certificates for all minors up to 18 years of age and for adequate supervision of
the issuance of such certificates by the State department of labor; (4) to regu­
late effectively the employment of children in street trades and in industri­
alized agriculture; and (5) to extend State compulsory school-attendance laws to
all children under 16 years of age and to children between 16 and 18 years of age
unless they are legally employed.
(b) Active cooperation of State labor departments with the Children’s Bureau
of the United States Labor Department in the administration of the childlabor provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act.
(c) An effective Nation-wide minimum standard for all child workers, to be
attained through the ratification of the pending Child Labor Amendment by the
necessary eight States.
(d) The development of more comprehensive State statistics on industrial
injuries and industrial diseases of young workers, with a view to providing
sound information as a basis for the determination of occupations hazardous
for minors under both State and Federal legislation.
D isc u ssio n

Mr. W r a b e t z (Wisconsin). Probably we ought to criticize one or
two States who are apparently, according to the committee’s report,
taking away, certain vital rights from a minor by giving him only
100 percent compensation when he should be entitled to double or
treble compensation. I f a child is working at illegal employment,
you take away from him a very substantial common-law right when
you give him, in case of injury, only the same compensation which
he might receive if legally employed. Personally, I feel that a
very effective way to stop the employment of children is to impose
definitely upon employers illegally employing children a heavy com­
pensation penalty in case of injury.
Mr. L tjb in . I should like to raise a question about the employment
of children in theaters and on the stage. I bring up this question
because it was raised at the executive board meeting today. I f par­
ticular provision is made for these children in the sense that they
have the means of education from a tutor, their mother or some
parent or guardian is available to take care of them, and pro­
vision is made for sufficient rest, what is the basis of the contention
that these children should not be permitted to work in the theater.
Miss M c C o n n e l l (Washington, D. C.). The attitude of those
who have been concerned with upholding minimum-age standards
for employment in public exhibitions is that lack of such standards
opens up for children of all ages a large area of employment in
which it is not possible to place around the young performers ade­
quate safeguards of the kind you mention. In other words, you
may be able to control, at least to some extent, the conditions sur­
rounding children in a small area, say on the legitimate stage, but




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there is much employment, as in vaudeville and all sorts of ques­
tionable performances, which you cannot control. It is difficult to
permit children to be employed in a certain theatrical exhibition but
not in another. Great administrative difficulties also are placed upon
any State agency with the duty of determining the conditions of
work, opportunity for rest, educational facilities, etc., for a child
who is being taken about from one part of the country to another.
Mr. W rabetz. D o we not encourage the employment of such chil­
dren in other States when we go to the theater and see a movie with
children in it? Surely that tempts the rest of them. In our State
we prohibit that kind of employment.
Miss M cC onnell . The difference is that the child, during a movingpicture production, is stationed at one place. He has his home; he has
his normal home routine. He is there on the scene for a certain
time. He has his school hours and he is at his own home. But a
child who is traveling as a vaudeville trouper or with a circus, for in­
stance, does not have all that. There is that very real difference.
Mr. W rabetz. Personally, I have some very strong opinions about
the enforcement of child-labor laws. I do not believe that the school
authorities ought to issue permits to work. Their primary interest
is in their schools, very often in the discipline of children, and they
are not especially interested in whether or not permits are properly
issued. In Wisconsin we recently took away from school authorities
the issuance of permits. Personally, I believe the school authorities
ought not to have this duty. I speak from rather broad experience
because I was a school teacher during the time when school teachers
were issuing permits. In issuing them I know I did not give the
matter full consideration from the standpoint of hazardous employ­
ment, but considered it rather from the standpoint of the school’s
interest.
Mr. D avie (New Hampshire). In regard to the second recom­
mendation o f the committee, that this Association support “ active co­
operation of State labor departments with the Children’s Bureau of
the United States Labor Department in the administration of the
child-labor provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act,” I want to
say that the New Hampshire Department of Education administers
the child-labor law and that we stand second to none in the enforce­
ment of it. There is another reason, however, that makes it possible
for us to succeed in the enforcement of that law. We have a com­
pulsory school-attendance law which steps right in behind the childlabor law, obliging any child who has not gained his elementary
education to attend school until he is 16 years of age. Some very




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fine cooperative work is carried on in that connection, and I im­
agine there are other States which handle the matter in a similar way.
I suggest an enlargement of that recommendation so that the depart­
ments of education also will have an opportunity to cooperate. In
fact, I know the department of education in New Hampshire is co­
operating 100 percent with the Children’s Bureau.
Miss M cC onnell . That is quite true, M r. Davie.




Wage-Claim Collection
W age-Claim Collection
R e p o r t o f C o m m itte e on W a g e -C la im C o lle c tio n , b y E . I . M

cK i n l e y

(A r k a n s a s

D e p a r tm e n t o f L a b o r ) , C h a irm a n

Practically every State in the Union has adopted legislation for the
purpose of establishing protection for the worker in reference to
safeguarding him against failure to receive compensation for work
performed. However, the process of making collection usually en­
tails the employment of an attorney and payment of court costs.
Under legislation requiring payment of wages weekly or semi­
monthly and laws giving liens on buildings or things worked upon,
it often requires expensive litigation to enforce liens and to bring
about payment of wages at certain periods unless there exist State
agencies with authority to act in the capacity of an agent or attorney
for the worker.
Several States have adopted legislation requiring employers, be­
fore. employing workers, to give bond to pay employee’s wages.
Provision is also made in practically all States giving wage claims
priority over other claims in case of bankruptcy. It is evident
that in all States of the Union the fact is recognized that the certain
payment of wages for work performed is a subject in which the gen­
eral public has an interest, and society has a genuine moral right to
demand protective legislation.
There appears to be no remedy as certain as to give State labor
officials the authority to accept assignment of wage claims and to
bring suit, and, where necessary to protect clients, to have attachment
issued and served before judgment on property belonging to defend­
ants. Such authority prevents removal of property out of the juris­
diction of the local courts.
In the State of Arkansas we have had occasion to use the provision
of our wage-collection law referring to attachment before a judgment
in a number of cases, where we are certain recovery of wages would
not have been accomplished without this advantage. A judgment
against an insolvent defendant is of little relief to a plaintiff.
During the past year Indiana and New Hampshire have adopted
legislation giving to the commissioner of labor additional authority
in collection of wage claims.
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In Montana the legislature declined to enact legislation for the
collection of wages. At present in Minnesota the industrial com­
mission, without legislation, uses the force of the office in attempting
to bring about settlement of wage claims by writing letters and other­
wise attempting to influence adjustment.
In Kansas a small debtor’s court is some aid in assisting in the col­
lection of wage claims, but the limit of $20 acts as bar to proper
protection. This small claims court is for the purpose of handling
miscellaneous claims and not definitely a wage-claim agency.
In the State of Rhode Island a commission has been set up for the
purpose of making a study of labor legislation and wage-claim laws
and making recommendation to the legislature. Maryland, Wiscon­
sin, California, and several other States have incorporated in their
laws referring to withholding wages a criminal feature, and in several
instances have been successful in securing conviction. In several
States wage-claim collection laws carry a provision requiring the
wage earner to pay certain commissions. This we do not regard as
a desirable feature.
Regardless of the fact that practically every State in the Union
has recognized the justness of protective legislation in reference to
wages earned, there remain a number of States that have not made
successful attempts to assist the worker in securing the benefits
intended without accepting the responsibility of filing suit and pay­
ing costs.
The following States it apppears have not entered this
field of legislation: Alabama, Florida, Minnesota, Mississippi, Mis­
souri, Louisiana, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Penn­
sylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia.
The provision authorizing the issuance of attachment before a
judgment in cases of wage claims has been the sole means of collect­
ing more than $4,000 due for wages in the State of Arkansas. This
provision became a part of the Arkansas law at the 1937 session of
the legislature. It was taken from the model wage claim law as
compiled by the wage claim committee of the International Associa­
tion of Governmental Labor Officials. This should be proof of the
advisability of adopting this provision, which will prevent the re­
moval of property from the jurisdiction of the court before judgment.
The legislation adopted since the last meeting of the International
Association of Governmental Labor Officials should encourage the
continued effort to interest labor officials and others in the States not
yet having adopted such legislation as the model wage collection law.
Our experience has been that about the strongest opposition to the
law has come from attorneys in and out of the legislature. I f these
attorneys properly understood the result of filing wage-claim suits
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opinion this opposition would not be so pronounced. Wage claims,
as a rule, are small and unless handled by some agency for the benefit
of the wage earner these claims would never be in court. In practi­
cally 75 percent of the cases a contest is brought about and an attor­
ney is employed by the defendant. Therefore, the effect upon the
legal profession of the wage collection legislation is, that instead of
depriving the attorney of business, it really creates a business that in
many cases would never exist. Then, too, the collection of wages is a
matter in which society in general should have an interest. I f the
laborer is deprived of his just earnings, he cannot discharge his obli­
gations to the merchant, the physician, or the landlord, and would
be forced to appeal to charitable agencies for assistance. It is just
as sound for the State to interest itself in collecting the wages earned
by the worker as it is to pay him unemployment insurance or provide
work during periods of idleness.
We hope this organization will continue its interest in urging
States to adopt wage-collection legislation.
It has been impossible for the chairman to get in touch with other
members o f the committee and this report is written without con­
ferring with them, but it is our opinion the committee is in accord
with the general recommendations here expressed.
D is c u s s io n

M r. M cK in ley (Arkansas). It has been the practice in the State
o f Arkansas for the owner of a coal mine to lease it to an irresponsi­
ble person; that is irresponsible from a financial standpoint. In
doing so, the owner avoids responsibility with reference to personal
injuries and also as regards failure to pay wages. Our 1937 legis­
lature, however, passed a law requiring coal operators to give bond
for the payment of wages, this bond to be filed with the county
judge. A t the time, the department of labor took the attitude that
the law would not work. We thought that the county judge might be
persuaded by 40 or 50 miners to accept a rather questionable bonds­
man. That did happen, and not only that. The miners themselves
went on the bond with the operators in order to get employment.
So when wage claims came to the department of labor for collection,
the miner found himself in the position of being both plaintiff and
defendant. This last legislature has changed that some, but we
thought that a lien would be better.
I might elaborate on that a little by citing a specific case. In
one instance, a man bought an old mill, a very large mill, and had it
dismantled, and sold the iron therefrom for junk. The man was
one from whom you could not collect a judgment. We had occasion
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were able to collect wages for the workers. Had it not been for
that, they would never have gotten a cent, because that man took
up his residence in the penitentiary soon after that.
Mr. W r a b e t z (Wisconsin). There are a lot of serious and difficult
questions that arise in this particular field. What do you do in your
State when you have an employee who has some money coming and
his employer is the proverbial “ beat” or the turnip out of which you
cannot squeeze any blood ?
Mr. R o b e r t s o n (Kansas). Some 8 or 9 years ago a small-debtors
court was established in Kansas City. Never, to my knowledge, has
a suit been filed or prosecuted in that court. It is not working in
Kansas City, or elsewhere, and when an employee has been unsuc­
cessful in collecting his wages from an employer, he comes to our
office. About all we can do is to write that employer a letter and
tell him that we insist that he discharge that obligation at once.
Probably in 50 percent of the cases that works. I f the claim is of a
substantial amount, I write the employer and call his attention to the
provision of our law and suggest he consult his local attorney.
Mr. W r a b e t z . Has any other State had any experiences that
might be helpful to all of us?
Mr. D u r k i n . Prior to July 1937, in order to collect a wage claim
in Illinois, it was necessary for the claimant to go into court in order
to make a claim, and he had to pay court costs, unless he was suc­
cessful, in which case the costs of the court would be charged against
the employer. I believe the type of legislation that has been placed
on the statute books in Illinois is one of the best forms of labor
legislation. I do not think that many of us where such laws are in
effect have paid much attention to the groups that come into the labor
departments to file claims. I f we did, I believe there would be plenty
o f discussion here today. The type of person that we generally find
making claims is the domestic worker and in many cases the casual
workers. We have had thousands of cases in Illinois where not
more than $5 is involved, and in many cases as little as $2. The law
which Illinois enacted permits us to send notice to the employer of
hearings to be held. The hearings are held, and in many cases we
get settlements. I might state that when the law was passed, it
was passed after our appropriation bill had passed, and, therefore,
there- was no money appropriated for the administration of the act,
but by transferring people within the department, we were successful
in collecting approximately $90,000 during the 2-year period. At
the last session of the legislature we received an appropriation.
Most of our claimants were people who heard about the law because
of a wage collected for someone else in their neighborhood or someone
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not know how many thousands we will get now that we have an ap­
propriation and will be able to administer this act throughout the
State. I hope that we can collect every dime that employees have
coming to them. We find cases of spite, too, where claims are made and
there is no justification for them, but they are a very small minority
and great work can be done in this field. I f it is only the collection
of a few dollars, it means as much to that employee as the average
weekly wage means to some tradesmen, because that is about all that
employee is used to receiving.
Mr. D avie . We have not gone very far on the new statute. I
worked hard to get the model bill of this Association adopted. We
have gotten something much better than we ever had before, and we
have been very successful since May 15 in cases that we have taken
up. I am looking forward, as is my colleague from Illinois, to
having a statute that will be a very good one for the State of New
Hampshire.
Mr. M artinez (Puerto Eico). I have with me Act No. 15, approved
April 1931, which is known as the organic act of the Department of
Labor of Puerto Eico. Under it a wage protection and claim
bureau is created which “shall consist of a person in charge thereof,
who shall be a competent attorney at law and a man of integrity,
who shall receive, study, and decide all complaints and claims filed
by laborers or employees, including domestics, against employers
negligent in the payment of their compensations, per diems, wages,
or salaries, or who have refused to make such payments. He shall
prosecute such complaints and claims and shall institute proceedings,
either civil or criminal, as the case may be, against said employers,
where such procedure is necessary ; he shall interpret and supervise
wage or metayer labor contracts, and he shall act as a special prose­
cuting attorney in any criminal action that may be brought before
the municipal courts of Puerto Eico by the commissioner, by the dis­
trict agents, or by any other official of the department of labor, in
case of violation of labor-protecting laws, and of all such legislation
whose enforcement may have been entrusted to the department of
labor. The commissioner of labor shall assign to this bureau such
personnel as he may deem necessary to render this service.”
The workers in Puerto Eico, according to this provision, have the
right to present their complaints, which we investigate, and if we
find sufficient grounds, we are authorized to prosecute the violations or
to settle them through some administrative action. In most cases, we
succeed, through administrative action, in settling these cases, but
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municipal court up to the district court or even to the State supreme
court without any cost or any commission to lawyers. We provide
for everything that is necessary to bring the case up to the highest
court in the island. There have been cases which we have fought
which involved only $8 or $10, but we fought them for the principle
involved.
I have here part of the annual report in this official bulletin which
refers to the different laws that we have to administer. In relation
to this, it reads as follows:
Dismissal compensation is regulated in Puerto Rico by various statutes, each
covering a specific kind of employees.
Persons employed for an indefinite term by industrial enterprises and other
lucrative businesses have the right to be compensated with an amount equal
to their weekly, fortnightly, or monthly salary, according to the system of
payment agreed upon, in case they are discharged without just cause and
previous notice of at least 15 days. Act No. 43, approved April 28, 1930, is
applicable in these cases.
Persons employed in the domestic service, in case they are illegally dis­
charged, shall be paid an additional compensation equal to the amount of their
salary for 15 days. The payment of this compensation is provided by section
1474 of the Civil Code of Puerto Rico, 1930 edition.
Commercial employees hired for an indefinite term, in case they are to be
discharged, shall be notified of their dismissal with a month in advance, or
otherwise shall be paid an additional compensation equal to their salary for 1
month. This compensation is paid according to section 220 of the Code of
Commerce of Puerto Rico, 1932 edition.
It should be noted that employees hired on a commission basis do not fall
under the protection of the above-indicated legislation.
The Department of Labor of Puerto Rico, through its bureau of wage pro­
tection and claims and through its district offices, affords to unpaid workers
and employees all necessary assistance in the collection of overdue wages and
compensations fixed by the labor protecting laws in force in Puerto Rico.

Now, as to the number of cases:
During the year ended June 30, 1939, the bureau of wage protection and
claims of the Puerto Rico Department of Labor received 1,151 wage claims.
Most of these claims were for unpaid wages or for dismissal compensation.
They involved the amount of $26,596.93.
Out of said 1,151 claims filed, 642, or more than one-half, were collected.
Collections totaled $13,597.14. Exactly 180 were voluntarily withdrawn by the
claimants, involving $1,747.92. Withdrawal came about because the claimant
was either replaced in his employment or was unable to prove his claim be­
cause of lack of evidence. The cases rejected by decision of the attorney in
charge of the bureau numbered 232, involving the amount of $6,017.27. Decisions
in these cases were preceded by proper investigation and hearings.
Only two cases were abandoned by claimants during 1938-39. The bureau
declared them as abandoned because claimants did not pay any attention
to the letters and notices issued for appearance in connection with their cases.
Ninety-five claims were left pending, to be resolved during the fiscal year
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The following table shows the wage claims filed with, and disposed of, by
the bureau of wage protection and claims during the year ended June 30, 1939.
W age claims filed and disposed o f during year ended J u n e SO, 1989

Result

Number
of claims

Amount

Collected..___ _____ ____ _____
Withdrawn. __________ _________
Rejected_________________________
Abandoned_______________________
Pending (June 30.1939)____________
Total_______________________

642
180
232
2
95
1,151

$13, 597.14
1, 747.92
6,017. 27
462. 00
4, 772.60
26, 596.93

Mr. W r a b e t z . It is apparent, Mr. Martinez, that your division
is doing a good job in wage collection. It is a very important func­
tion and we can do a tremendous amount of work in helping the
unfortunate who have wages coming.




Industrial Home W ork

Industrial Home W ork
R ep ort o f

th e

C o m m itte e on

In d u stria l H o m e

W ork,

b y M organ R. M ooney

(C o n n e c tic u t D e p a r tm e n t o f L a b o r ) , C h a irm a n

Your committee on industrial home work reports to you at this time
ior a year in which legislative accomplishment in the general field
of labor law has been at low ebb. From all over the country, as well
as from the Nation’s Capital, have come reports of meager or no
results, and in some cases actual loss has been sustained.
The control of industrial home work during the year 1938-39 fared
as well as and perhaps better than other fields of regulation. Five
States— California, Indiana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, and West
Virginia—introduced new home-work bills, two of which, in the
case of California and West Virginia, were enacted into law. The
California law is based on virtually the same principles of control as
those comprising the suggested State draft adopted by this Associa­
tion. It forbids industrial home work on certain listed products
and authorizes the division of industrial welfare to prohibit it else­
where, where it is found to jeopardize the health or welfare of the
home workers themselves or the labor standards in the factory.
The new West Virginia law prohibits industrial home work in
certain industries and on any other article when in violation of
any labor law or of any health law of the State.
In its Order No. 2, which applies to women and minors in retail
trade occupations, the Industrial Commission of Colorado has pro­
hibited employers from giving out work which “ can be performed
on the premises” to women or minors to be done elsewhere. The new
District of Columbia minimum-wage order covering manufacturing
and wholesaling occupations provides that women employed on home
work shall receive not less than the minimum wage established
for plant workers and requires the employer to keep records for the
home worker as well as for all other workers. In New Jersey, direc­
tory orders Nos. 2 and 3, applying to women and minors employed
in light manufacturing occupations and in wearing apparel and allied
occupations, respectively, require that “ piece-work rates for work
performed at any place other than at the factory or on the premises
of the employer shall be paid for at a rate not less than the rate or
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employers’ premises and shall yield to each such employee wages not
less than the minimum fair-wage standard established for time
workers under this order.”
In October 1938 the Fair Labor Standards Act went into effect.
Since that time, the Administrator of the Wage and Hour Division
has ruled that “ since the act contains no prescription as to the place
where the employee must work, it is evident that employees other­
wise coming within the terms of the act are entitled to its benefits
whether they perform their work at home, in the factory, or else­
where.” The Division has issued a separate regulation prescribing
the records which must be kept by employers of industrial home
workers.
Already home-work cases have been prosecuted to successful con­
clusion under the Fair Labor Standards Act. In New York, recently,
a manufacturer of window-shade tassels and pot holders pleaded
guilty to charges of failure to pay home workers the minimum wage
required by the law and compensation for overtime hours, failure
to keep adequate records as required and falsification of records, ship­
ping in interstate commerce goods produced in violation of the act,
and subterfuge in an attempt to evade the law, and was fined $7,500,
$6,000 of which, however, was suspended. In addition, the employer
was ordered by the court to make restitution to his employees in the
amount of $4,500.
In a second case involving the employment of industrial home
workers—this time in the State of Illinois—the Wage and Hour
Division was successful in obtaining an injunction restraining a
manufacturer of punchboards from employing industrial home work­
ers at wages less than the prescribed minimum and from falsifying
records. At the same time, a second company was enjoined from
shipping the products thus manufactured in violation of the law in
interstate commerce. Before the case was heard, restitution had
already been made to 94 industrial home workers in the total amount
of $5,685 in unpaid back minimum wages.
Your committee on industrial home work met just once during the
year—in this instance at the request of the president of the associa­
tion as the result of certain proposed amendments to the Fair Labor
Standards Act. The amendments, two in number, would have au­
thorized the Administrator of the Wage and Hour Division to deter­
mine piece rates for industrial home work and to permit the employ­
ment of rural home workers at less than the regular minimum wage
provided by the law. At the meeting of the committee, to which
representatives of organized labor and of certain other national or­
ganizations were invited, it was unanimously agreed that the two
proposed amendments should be strenuously opposed, and, as a result,
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partment in each State in which it was thought that industrial home
work might be any sort of problem asking that he set forth to the
chairman of the Senate Committee on Education and Labor, as well
as to each of his Senators, his objections to these two home-work pro­
visions. In this letter, a copy of which is attached for your informa­
tion, it was pointed out that the function of setting industry piece
rates is inappropriate to a governmental agency and should be left
to the industry itself and to collective bargaining; that, on the basis
of experience, it would be impracticable to set piece rates quickly
enough to cover the thousands of individual operations involved and
the rapid changes in style and operations; and that enactment of such
an authority would require the Government to set up elaborate ma­
chinery at a prohibitive cost for a function which, it was believed,
could not possibly be successful. The letter stressed the threat which
the proposed amendment permitting rural home workers to work for
less than the regular minimum would mean, if enacted, to the gen­
eral wage and hour standards of the Fair Labor Standards Act and
to the regulation of industrial home work by the States.
In addition the committee recommended that the president of this
association make official protest to the chairman of the Senate Com­
mittee on Education and Labor before whom the bill would come if
enacted by the House.
Many of you know of the subsequent developments. The bill
amending the Fair Labor Standards Act reported by the House
Committee on Labor became hopelessly tied up in the House itself.
However, the final committee draft of this bill, H. It. 5435, did
omit the authority to set piece rates for industrial home workers,
although that to permit the employment of rural home workers at
less than the regular minimum wage still remained. As time passed
and conditions changed, it seemed expedient for us to make our
position known to the House, as well as the Senate. On his own
responsibility, your chairman therefore asked the labor commission­
ers to state their objections to their Congressmen also.
Your committee feels that this organization cannot be too vigilant
with respect to this matter. We have every reason to believe that
if the matter of amending the wage-and-bour law comes up again
at the next Congress, there will be definite effort to secure enact­
ment of the rural home-work provision, as well as that permitting the
Administrator of the Wage and Hour Division to fix piece rates
for industrial home workers.
This year we acted in the interim of conventions as we believed
you would have wished us to act. It is the opinion of the committee
that we should continue to operate during the coming year to prevent
any relaxation of the Fair Labor Standards Act in the case of indus229660°— 40------ 15




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trial home work and that we should continue so to function with
your express instruction.
I move the adoption of this report and in so doing, I also move
that this association expressly instruct its committee on industrial
home work to exercise all possible vigilance with respect to pro­
posed amendments to the Fair Labor Standards Act, and to do
everything within its power to oppose any change in this law which
would in any way relax its provisions with respect to industrial
home work, or which would specifically authorize the Administrator
of the Wage and Hour Division to set piece rates or to engage other­
wise in any unsound administrative practice insofar as industrial
home work is concerned.
COPY OF LETTER SENT TO STATE DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR

On Monday of this week the committee on industrial home work of the Inter­
national Association of Governmental Labor Officials met, at the request of the
association’s president, to consider certain amendments to the Fair Labor
Standards Act proposed by the House Committee on Labor in reporting on
H. R. 5435 (Report No. 522). Representatives of organized labor and of other
national organizations, as well as several additional State home-work law
administrators, were invited to join with the Committee in its deliberations.
It was unanimously agreed that the proposed amendments authorizing the
Administrator of the Wage and Hour Division to set piece rates for industrial
home work and to permit the employment of rural home workers at less than
the regular minimum wage should be strenuously opposed. I am enclosing
copies of these two amendments.
The function of setting industry piece rates is inappropriate to a govern­
mental agency and should be left to industry itself and to the field of collective
bargaining. It is contrary to the generally accepted principles of sound
minimum-wage regulation. From an administrative point of view, it has been
found impossible, under State experience, to set minimum piece rates quickly
enough to keep up with the many thousands of individual operations and the
rapid changes in style. In cases where the setting of minimum piece rates for
home workers was attempted under the N. R. A., the rates set invariably
proved insufficient to yield to more than a very small fraction of the workers
the corresponding minimum wage per hour set by the codes. Yet with the
express authority in the law, contemplated by the proposed amendment, the
enforcing agency would be under constant pressure to set rates on a piece-rate
basis. Enforcement with respect to industrial home work then would be in a
constant state of flux. Enactment of this amendment would shift to the Gov­
ernment a responsibility for determining a means of compliance which should
rest squarely on the shoulders of the industry itself, and it would require the
Government to set up elaborate machinery, at a prohibitive cost, for an illadvised function which, on the basis of experience, is doomed to failure from
the very outset.
W ith respect to the employment of industrial home workers in rural areas at
less than the regular minimum wage prescribed by the law, already quantities of
home-work materials, as you know, are sent out from the larger industrial centers
to be processed in rural homes. Frequently the goods pass from a State attempt­
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where no State regulation is in effect. For years a means of preventing this
avenue of evading the application of State regulation has been sought, but
obviously the proposed amendment can only result in an increased tendency to
shift work to the rural home worker. Although the language of the amendment
attempts to strengthen the Administrator’s hands in exercising the authority
granted, nevertheless those of us who are familiar with the abuses of the home­
work practice and with the extreme difficulties of its regulation know that this
provision is the opening wedge to widespread evasion of the basic principles of the
wage-and-hour law. Enactment of this amendment would subject the Adminis­
trator to constant pressure for special treatment under its terms. It would
endanger the general wage and hour standards provided by the act and would,
without question, threaten the regulation of industrial home work by the States
and the progress which has been made under recent State enactments.
The measure— H. R. 5435 (Report No. 522)— is now pending in the House. W e
believe it advisable at the moment to concentrate our efforts upon the Senate.
W ill you lend your cooperation by writing at once to Senator Elbert D. Thomas,
chairman of the Committee on Education and Labor, and to each of your Senators
setting forth your objections to these two provisions and asking that they be
stricken from the bill. Specifically we recommend that the following be removed:
1. The words “and the piece rates to be paid for” in section 4, subsection (b ),
page 14, line 16.
2. Section 7, subsection (c ), page 17, lines 1 through 20.
In order that we may have a complete record of all communications on the
subject, could you arrange to send me a carbon copy of each of your letters?
Assuring you of my deep appreciation of your prompt cooperation, I am
Very sincerely yours,




M organ M ooney ,
C h a irm a n , C o m m itte e on In d u stria l H o m e W o r k ,
In te r n a tio n a l A s s o c ia tio n o f G o v e r n m e n ta l L a h o r Officials .

Civil Service
State Departments o f Labor and Civil Service
R e p o r t o f th e C o m m itte e on C iv il S e r v ic e

by E. B . P atton

( N e w Y o r k D e p a r tm e n t

o f L a b o r ) , C h a irm a n

A steady increase of activity on all fronts summarizes develop­
ments of the past year in the civil-service field. From all parts of
the country have come during the year reports of new merit-system
laws or extension of existing ones, and of recent improvements in
the administration and technical phases in public personnel
administration.
One of the two important Executive orders issued by the President
extended the Federal classified service to more than 80,000 employees,
while Congress last year placed under civil-service provisions nearly
15,000 first-, second-, and third-class postmasterships, most of the
positions in the newly created Wage and Hour Division of the De­
partment of Labor and in the National Archives, as well as prac­
tically all the positions concerned with the administration of the
Railroad Unemployment Insurance Act.
Four bills to extend the merit system generally in the Federal serv­
ice are pending in Congress. Three, sponsored by Congressmen Ramspeck and Randolph and by Senator Schwellenbach, would authorize
the President to extend the civil-service rules in his discretion. The
Ramspeck bill would also extend the classification act to the field
service. A fourth bill, introduced by Congressman Rees, provides
that within 18 months after passage the civil-service rules are to be
extended to positions now exempt, without necessity of Executive
action.
Civil-service status was denied to Works Progress Administration
employees when the Senate and House of Representatives recently
passed H. J. Res. 83, a work-relief and relief-appropriation measure
which contained a clause providing that the President’s Executive
order of June 24,1938, should not apply to positions established under
the joint resolution itself. This action reversed President Roosevelt’s
announced intention of placing administrative positions of the W P A
in the Federal classified service on February 1, pursuant to his Ex­
ecutive order of June 24, 1938, extending and strengthening existing
civil-service provisions and administration.
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Contained in the resolution, as passed by the Senate, was an
amendment by Senator Hatch of New Mexico prohibiting political
activities on the part of employees whose compensation was payable
under the terms of the act. According to the amendment, persons
who solicit campaign funds, or use their authority to influence elec­
tions, or offer employment as a reward for political activity, are
guilty of a felony and upon conviction may be fined not more than
$1,000 or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

T h e States
Since January 1, 1939, four States, Minnesota, Alabama, Rhode
Island, and New Mexico adopted comprehensive State merit systems.
All four States’ acts established broad personnel programs, providing
for entrance examinations, classification of positions, uniform salary
plans, employee training, and systemized promotions and transfers
based on service ratings.
The following is a list of 17 States now operating under civilservice laws. In eight of these States, the statutes were adopted
within the past 2 years—more than 50 years after the system was
first adopted by New York (1883) and Massachusetts (1884).
Sta te

A la b a m a _____
California-----Connecticut___
Colorado_____
Illinois_______
M aine_________
Maryland_____
Massachusetts
Michigan--------

Year of
sta tute

1939
1913
1937
1907
1905
1937
1920
1884
1937

Sta te

Minnesota____
New Jersey—
New M exicoNew York___
O h io _________
Rhode Island.
Tennessee___
W isco n sin ___

Y ear of
sta tu te

1939
1908
1939
1883
1913
1939
1937
1905

While Kentucky is not listed here, that State established in 1936 a
division of personnel efficiency. Although this division does not hold
open competitive entrance examinations, it does perform certain per­
sonnel functions.
Important civil-service developments during the past year in State
and Territorial governments are summarized below:
A la b a m a .— State civil-service law approved by governor March 2.
It will not take effect until after 12 months, to allow time for system
to be set up. The act embraces all but a few of the State’s 4,000 em­
ployees. The director of personnel will administer, with the general
assistance and approval of the State personnel board, a comprehen­
sive merit system. He is to prepare a classification plan and a pay
plan, to certify pay rolls, to establish employment registers from
open competitive examinations, to institute service ratings, and to
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made in the act for the transfer, promotion, demotion, lay-off, and
dismissal of State employees. A dismissed employee may appeal to
the personnel board, which may order his reinstatement. Incumbent
employees are to be given qualifying examinations in order to obtain
civil-service status. Except for the office of director of personnel,
the act contains no residence requirements. A strict prohibition on
the political activity of civil-service employees is included.
A r k a n s a s .—The Arkansas State civil-service law was repealed on
January 24, when the governor permitted a bill repealing the law to
become law without his signature. The repeal of the Arkansas law
was the most serious defeat for the merit system in recent years.
Mr. John Heiskell, editor of the Arkansas Gazette, explains the
repeal on the following grounds:
1. Many employees were blanketed in when the law went into op­
eration and these employees were not subjected to the merit ratings
provided for in the law. The legislation had failed to provide the
funds necessary to enable the personnel division to perform this
function.
2. Legislators wanted jobs for constituents.
3. The cry was raised that residents of Pulaski County (Little
Rock) were getting an undue number of State positions.
4. The governor did not exert himself to save the law.
G e o r g ia .—Although Governor Rivers of Georgia has made a State
civil-service law one of his principal legislative items in 1937 and
1939, both legislatures have refused to follow his lead. In 1937 a
bill was killed in one house after it had been passed by the other.
This year the bill was tabled by a close vote in the house of repre­
sentatives, then revived by the administration forces, and finally “ in­
definitely postponed.” The governor has instituted a merit system
by executive order.
H a w a ii .—A civil-service law passed by the legislature and signed
by the governor provides for the appointment of a three-member
commission and a director of personnel to administer a merit system
for Territorial employees. The act, which became effective July 1,
1939, also provides for civil-service systems in the city and county
of Honolulu and the counties of Hawaii, Kauai, and Maui.
M a ssa c h u se tts .—The second oldest State civil-service system (1884)
was reorganized in a bill signed by Governor Saltonstall on May 24.
The new law replaces the three-member salaried commission, whose
chairman acted as full-time administrator, with a part-time fivemember body and a director of personnel. The director is to be
appointed for a 5-year term, as a result of either an open competitive
examination or a four-fifths vote of the commission.
M ic h ig a n .—As a result of a reorganization act passed by the leg­
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tive, and supervisory positions of the State service have been exempted
from the jurisdiction of the State civil-service law, thus reducing the
number of classified positions in the State service one-half. Along
with numerous other changes, the law increased the size of the civil
service commission from three to four members. Since the passage
of the new law, a strong movement has developed to restore through
constitutional amendment the more comprehensive provisions of the
previous act.
M in n e s o t a .—Became the seventeenth “ civil service State” on April
22, when the governor signed a bill providing for the establishment of
a comprehensive State merit system. Under the Minnesota law, a
three-member civil-service board will be appointed by the governor,
to serve as an advisory, rule-making, and appellate body. A State
department of civil service will be headed by a personnel director
who is to be appointed by the board after competitive examination
conducted by a special examining committee. Present State em­
ployees who have served 5 years or longer are ablanketed in,” subject
to a 6 months’ probationary period. Those who have served less than
5 years will be required to take qualifying examinations, which will
be given during a 2-year period beginning August 1, 1939. However,
all military veterans, regardless of length of employment, are auto­
matically given regular civil-service status.
K a n s a s .—The governor, in his inaugural message, had called for
passage of a State civil-service bill, and, if necessary, of a constitu­
tional amendment. The proposed bill was defeated but a constitu­
tional amendment was adopted to be submitted to the voters in 1940.
N e w M e x i c o .—Passed a merit system act which provides for an
administrative board of three members to be appointed by the gover­
nor and approved by the senate. The act applies to the employees
in a large number of State institutions, the State police service, and
the port of entry board. Open competitive examinations are provi­
ded to determine the status of present employees. The commission
is authorized to classify all positions subject to the act. Eligible
registers are to be established through the use of open competitive
examinations. The act contains prohibitions upon the political
activity of the State employees subject to its provisions.
O h io .—A bill was passed which reorganizes the Ohio Civil Ser­
vice Commission by substituting a commission of three members for
the present two-man, bipartisan commission, and changes the removal
section of the civil-service law.
R h o d e I s la n d .—On March 9, the governor approved a State civilservice bill which had been unanimously passed by both houses of
the legislature. This bill, which will take effect January 1, 1940, is
in the main an excellent one. It provides for a commission of three
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An unusual feature of the act is a provision that the minority mem­
ber of the commission must be approved by the chairman of the
State central committee of the minority party. Except for elective
officers, department heads, commissioners, confidential secretaries,
members of the State police division and a few miscellaneous em­
ployees, the classified service covers all positions in the Rhode Island
State service. Present employees are placed on a temporary basis
pending the establishment of eligible lists from open competitive
examinations. The act provides that the director shall administer
a comprehensive merit system which includes the preparation of
classification and pay plans, the giving of promotional tests, the
introduction of service ratings, and the coordination of training
programs. The State civil-service department is authorized to make
its facilities available on a cost basis to local governments of the
State.
V e r m o n t .—The governor’s message to the legislature asked for the
appointment of a committee to study the State’s personnel situation
and devise a plan to “ remove the appointment of employees from
politics as far as possible.” The committee was appointed and a
bill introduced based on the model civil-service law. However, the
legislature adjourned before taking any action on the civil-service
proposal.
T e n n e s s e e .— Soon after the 1939 legislature convened, the legisla­
ture proposed the repeal of the State civil-service law adopted in
1937. Although the law is a good one, there is little doubt that the
administration had permitted it to function merely for the pur­
pose of setting up a classification system. Only a very few examina­
tions had been held, and appointments and removals were made
largely without regard to the merit system. A new civil-service
bill backed by the governor, who took office this year, has been
adopted. This is based on the “ model” law recently drafted by
the National Civil Service Reform League and the National Munici­
pal League.
Civil-service bills were defeated during the past year in the fol­
lowing States: Arizona, Delaware, Indiana, New Hampshire, North
Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Utah, and Washington.

P erso n n el A d m in istra tio n
While the extension of civil-service practices has proceeded apace,
existing personnel agencies have taken steps to improve their own
administrative and technical practices. Recruitment methods are
being advanced by more active work on the part of personnel agencies
to enlist the interest of trained persons in government employment.
There has been a perceptible, although slight, move toward giving
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trative services rather than the highly specialized examinations which
have characterized the American civil-service systems. Public per­
sonnel officials and heads of sizable departments are beginning to
realize the value and necessity of having personnel offices in the
major departments of the larger governmental jurisdictions. They
are beginning to recognize that a well-rounded personnel program
needs not only the guidance and stimulation of a central personnel
agency but also the active cooperation of departmental personnel
officials. Examples of this trend may be found in the Federal service,
the States of New York and California, Los Angeles County, New
York City, Detroit, and other jurisdictions.

T ra in in g
A spotlighting of recent outstanding developments in the field of
personnel administration directs attention to the significant increase
in all types of training. New programs of preservice training were
established at Harvard University, Louisiana State University, New
York University, University of Denver, University of Virginia, Uni­
versity of Pennsylvania, and a number of other institutions of higher
learning. Plans for training apprentices were put into operation
in the United States Indian Service, Indiana Bureau of Personnel,
State of Wisconsin, State of Michigan, Saginaw, and Glendale and
San Diego County, Calif.
New in-service training programs are too numerous even to be
listed. Aid from the Federal Government through the George-Deen
Act assisted the setting up of training programs for local govern­
ments in more than 20 States. With the recent appointment of a
consultant on Public Service Training to the United States Office
of Education, increased activity under the George-Deen Act is
anticipated.

E m ployee R elatio n s

One of the most important of the current personnel trends is the
increasing unionization of public employees. Not only are existing
employee associations growing in membership, but new organizations
are rapidly springing up in National, State, and local governments.
Recognizing the need of its own local chapters for sound advice on
civil-service problems, the American Federation of State, County, and
Municipal Employees appointed a civil service counsel to assist in
the drafting of merit-system legislation and in other public personnel
matters. Formal employee relations policies were adopted during
1938 by such administrative agencies as the United States War De­
partment, the United States Department of Agriculture, the Social
Security Board, and the Department of Welfare in New York City.
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selor to handle matters concerning general employee welfare and the
personal problems of individual workers is an innovation in the Fed­
eral personnel field.

U n fav o rab le T re n d s

During the past few years, several unfortunate and unfavorable
trends have become noticeable in the field of public personnel admin­
istration. At the Federal level, unjustified and unnecessary exemp­
tions from the civil-service act have been made in the establishment
of new agencies which are admittedly intended to be permanent in
character. The United States Senate has continued to make damag­
ing inroads into the merit system by insisting that the appointment of
more and more employees at lower and lower levels receive senatorial
confirmation.
Public personnel agencies should make greater efforts to break
down rigid and detrimental residence requirements which still exist
in many jurisdictions. Governmental bodies have established harm­
ful barriers which prevent desirable and needed interchange o f per­
sonnel from one city to another and one State to another. The highest
point of efficiency in the public service can be reached only if we
create “ free trade in competency” and insist upon a superior imported
employee rather than being satisfied with an inferior local one. This
applies particularly in the higher grade administrative and technical
positions.
Startling actions have been taken, in several jurisdictions, to break
down desirable educational requirements for entrance to the public
service. In numerous instances, this has been done at the insistence
of short-sighted politicians who are eager to open the side door of
the civil service to their partisan followers regardless of qualifications.
In other cases, “ coaching” or “cram” schools have brought insidious
pressure to bear against educational and other similarly valid quali­
fication requirements in order to swell the ranks of their prospective
customers. Public personnel agencies should take firm stands against
unjustified attacks of this kind.
In New York State, the Civil Service Commission has been criti­
cized for its delays in holding examinations and establishing eli­
gible lists. When examination results are delayed for 12 to 18
months,1 it is not surprising that 50 percent of the candidates on
eligible lists should no longer have any interest in obtaining em­
ployment in the State service. Add to this the practice of the State
in offering too small entrance salaries for most of the clerical posi­
tions, and it is no wonder that thousands of competent potential
employees have been discouraged from entering the service. As a
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result, the number of temporary and provisional appointments in the
State service has greatly increased.
Wholesale use of temporary employees in governmental depart­
ments is uneconomical, wasteful, and demoralizing to the rest of the
service. Experience has proved that better work could be had from
half as many permanent employees as temporaries.1
In fairness to the commission, it should be pointed out that some
of its work has been handicapped by lack of funds and by an under­
manned, overworked staff. Many civil-service commissions are so
inadequately financed and staffed that they cannot perform the serv­
ices they are supposed to render. They frequently fail to gain the
confidence of public officials for this reason. Even untrained and
inexperienced lay citizens can recognize the inadequacy of personnel
work in many cases. I f this situation is to be corrected, public
personnel agencies must press their cases forcefully and persuasively
before their appropriating bodies. The officers of most personnel
agencies are too timid and do not request funds which are sorely
needed. In this, they render no good turn either to their governments
or to their own agencies.
Progress o f Civil-Service Reform in Canada
B y A d a m B ell,

D ep u ty M in ister o f Lat>or o f B ritish Colum bia

F ederal C ivil Service
The system of appointment by competitive examination was intro­
duced into the civil service of Canada in 1908, affecting only persons
on the headquarters staff, although even before that time qualifying
examinations were regularly held for large sections of the service.
In 1919 the competitive system was expanded to include most posi­
tions in the Dominion service, though subsequent exemptions removed
mechanical and laboring vacancies from the jurisdiction of the civilservice commission, and, as well, certain new departments, held to be
either temporary or experimental, were omitted from the competitive
system. The result is that at the present time over three-fourths
of the Federal service is subject to the competitive system, and this
includes nearly all executive and office staffs, incorporating such
national services as post office, customs and excise, department of
pensions and national health, marine, and so forth.
The civil-service commission, of three members, as reconstituted by
the 1919 legislation, has jurisdiction in employment matters where
positions are subject to the Civil Service Act, such conditions includ­
ing compensation and hours of work, as well, of course, as making
initial appointments. Also the commission has jurisdiction in the
matter of promotion, and the law provides that, generally speaking,
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vacancies occurring are to be filled by promotion from within the
civil service.
In the past 20 years the competitive system in the Federal service
has been investigated repeatedly by Parliament, and though changes
have been made and though some of the lesser positions (chiefly of
a nonclerical nature) have been exempted from the Civil Service Act,
generally speaking these investigations have found in favor of the
competitive system and many of the recommendations made have
aimed at strengthening it.
In the Federal civil service employee organization occupies an
informally recognized position, and representatives of the employees
regularly meet with cabinet ministers, the civil-service commission,
and committees of parliament to advance suggestions for improve­
ment in the service. In the main, the organizations of employees
are not allied with outside labor organizations.
A modern superannuation system is in vogue in the Federal civil
service, and while its application is not universal it covers about
25,000 employees (out of about 44,000 full-time employees). Re­
cently, recommendations have been made for expanding the super­
annuation system and for bringing several thousand additional
employees under it.

P ro v in cial C ivil Service

Although some efforts have been made to introduce the competitive
system into the civil services of the Provincial governments, little
net progress has been made thus far. Generally speaking, appoint­
ments to the Provincial civil services are made on a noncompetitive
basis. In the case of particular positions, however, frequently con­
siderable care is shown in selection in order to ensure that the indi­
vidual appointed may have the necessary qualifications. Also pro­
motion within the service, as a reward for meritorious service, is
very frequent.
All Provinces pay pensions upon the retirement of employees,
though not in all cases are these pensions on a statutory basis; that
is to say, in some instances pensions are paid as a matter of grace
and upon a basis determined at the time of retiring.
Employees are permitted to organize in all Provinces, and in most
o f the nine Provinces advantage is taken of this fact and the
employees have an association to look after their interests.
D is c u s s io n

Dr. P atton (New Y ork). I cannot help but have some fear at the
present time that the increasing organization of public-service em­
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the public mind that, after all, we are just another one of those highpressure groups trying to get what there is to be had.
Mr. W r a b e t z (Wisconsin). Personally, I do not see how a labor
department can operate without civil-service selection of its employ­
ees. It seems to me it must otherwise degenerate into just a political
set-up, which to me is conducive to doing an inexpert job. That is
true in administering not only general labor laws, but also workmen’s
compensation, unemployment compensation, etc.
Mr. L ubin (Washington, D. C.). As one who has to adjust his
work to the civil-service situation in the Federal Government, and
who has had some contact with the situation in some of the States, I
should like to raise a question that Dr. Patton and his committee
might want to take into consideration. What are you going to do
about a government or a congress or a State legislature that pays
tribute to civil service through enacting legislation demanding it,
and then proceeds immediately to see to it that you cannot adopt
civil-service regulations or that the shortage of funds makes it im­
possible for the civil service commission to do the job that it is
supposed to do? I was very much interested in Dr. Patton’s state­
ment relative to the wholesale use of temporary employees. But if
the civil service commission cannot give you people, you have no
other alternative than to employ temporary folks, and then you find
yourself, just about the time these folks have learned their jobs and
become efficient, in a position where you have to get rid of them be­
cause the civil service commission, after a year or two, has found a
way of giving you employees.
One of the things that the President has been very much interested
in has been the rejuvenation of the Civil Service Commission, and he
has appointed a special committee, the chairman of which is a member
of the Supreme Court of the United States, to make recommendations
on civil service.
Here is the sort of situation we find ourselves in in my own bureau
in Washington. I cannot appoint a single person in my bureau at
a salary above $5,600, the reason being that the Civil Service Commis­
sion apparently thinks there is no job in the Bureau of Labor Sta­
tistics, other than that of Commissioner, worthy of any more salary,
when, as a matter of fact, there are some people around the Commis­
sioner worth as much or more, because of the nature of the services
that they render. Consequently, we find ourselves in the position
where we cannot hire the people we want because we cannot pay the
salaries other bureaus and private industry can pay.
Or, let us go a step farther to a situation which is much more
difficult. The civil-service law says that in order for a job to be
classified, you must say just what the requirements of the job are.




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You feel that the job is of such a technical nature that it requires 4
years of training in a given type of technical school. Because of the
fact that there are Senators and Congressmen in the United States
who are graduates, let us say, of Podunk College, which has no stand­
ing in the American Association of Universities, which no educational
institution rates above a third-grade college, the Civil Service Com­
mission says that that is beside the point. Such a graduate has
had 4 years of training—it makes no difference where the training
was; therefore, he meets that requirement of the job and is given
full credit for that training. Or the classification says that the man,
in order to be eligible for the job, must have had 3 years of statisti­
cal work. Somebody comes along and shows that he has had 3 years
of work as an adding-machine operator or a bookkeeper in some
private concern, and the Civil Service Commission says that meets the
requirements.
In other words, I wonder whether, before forcing upon the various
government departments additions to the civil-service requirements,
our committee and other committees should not devote more of their
attention to seeing to it that the civil service commissions adopt stand­
ards which will make it possible for us to get the type of people we
need, with the necessary training and equipment, rather than the
present method of having certain requirements and using no standards
and no judgment in testing whether or not these people have these
requirements. Frankly, I would much rather have a person who has
no civil-service status, but who has had the experience and knows the
business, than I would somebody who has passed the civil-service test
and who the Commission says has the requirements, but who really is
not qualified. Because he does have the status it puts us in a position
where we have to take a person who is not fit to do the job. I think
one of the reasons for the repercussions against the civil service is
not that people are opposed to the civil service commission, but that
they are opposed to the way the civil service is administered by the
civil service commissions of the various States. Time and again we
are compelled to take people because they have paper requirements
which meet certain tests, at the expense of other people who know
more about the job but just do not happen to meet those requirements,
and so have been turned down.
I have had a man working for me for 4 years, a non-civil-service
employee. He wanted to become a permanent employee, so he took a
civil-service examination. The Civil Service Commission says that
the 4 years’ experience he had with me does not count, although I
am looking for a man to fill the job that he has been doing for 4 years.
There is no one who knows the job as well as he, because he has done
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Therefore, I want to recommend to the committee that next year they
look into the question of administration of civil service so that we can
be assured of securing people who more nearly meet our needs.
Mr. W r a b e t z . I f we have an expert job to be filled, and a civilservice examination is to be given for it, we go out and solicit people
to take the examination. That sometimes brings the right kind of
people to us. O f course, that cannot always be done because some
of them may fail in the examination. Our law permits people to
take the examinations only when they have preliminary qualifications
that are equivalent to those enumerated. I do not know whether
that solves Mr. Lubin’s problem or not.
I think it is very important in public adminstration to have civil
service. In my judgment, it is the only solution to a decent, honest,
impartial administration. Some of you ought to have some experi­
ence that would be of value. How about the States that do not have
civil service? Mr. Gram, how do you operate in Oregon without
civil service; what do you do in your department ?
Mr. G r a m (Oregon). When I first became commissioner of the
bureau of labor, I created an independent examining board, consist­
ing of one mechanical engineer representing the employers’ group,
one chief inspector for an insurance company, and one mechanical
engineer representing the workers’ group. We hold an examination
twice each year and sometimes three times a year. The examinations
are written, and the questions are promulgated by the American
Society of Mechanical Engineers. There are 30 questions for each
applicant to answer. The applicant is given only a few questions at
a time and is not permitted to leave the room during the examination.
All papers and answers are turned over to the chief inspector and
locked up while the applicant leaves for lunch or rest periods. Gen­
erally these examinations take 2 days. The applicant is given a num­
ber, and his name does not appear anywhere on his examination
paper. The examination papers are then submitted to the board and
graded by them.
Mr. W

rabetz.

M r. G r a m .

Y ou have an extralegal civil service?

That is right.

Mr. W r a b e t z . That is one way of doing it by a labor official who
has the right conception of public administration.
Mr. G r a m . I might say that this board never meets the applicant,
as he is known only by a number. I f he makes the proper grade, he
is placed on the eligible list from which we recruit our force when
vacancies occur. It might be of interest for you to know that under
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all boilers and elevators in the State. There is no provision made
in either law whereby we can accept reports from above. We are
probably the only State in the Union where insurance company
inspectors are responsible directly to the commissioner of labor for
the work they are doing. They are under the supervision of the
commissioner; the only difference is that he does not pay them.
Otherwise they are the same as State employees.
Mr. B ell (British Columbia). I did not wish to go into greater
detail in my brief report, but I might mention that at the last session
of the Dominion parliament, a committee of the house was appointed
on civil service. That committee went into the question of all the
ramifications of the civil service in great detail and brought in a
report containing 25 recommendations, which were placed before
parliament. The recommendations were of a rather far-reaching
nature, and as the report was brought in toward the conclusion of
the session, no action was taken by the Dominion parliament at that
time to implement the recommendations of the committee. These,
however, remain for further consideration and will no doubt be dealt
with at the next session or at some future session of the Dominion
house.
Dr. P atton . In New York State we cannot employ temporary
employees except as they come from civil-service lists. I f I, for
example, want to appoint a temporary stenographer, I have to
appoint someone from the established civil-service list. I notify the
civil service commission that I want a stenographer. It will then
canvass its existing eligible lists, and only if it is found that no per­
son on the eligible list is willing to accept a temporary appointment
may an outsider be named. I presume that is not true generally o f
the civil-service positions.
In reference to the point Mr. Lubin made, I want to emphasize
the last paragraph of the committee’s report, namely, “ In fairness
to the commission, it should be pointed out that some of its work
has been handicapped by lack of funds and by an undermanned,
overworked staff. * * * In this, they render no good turn either
to their governments or to their own agencies.”
The wording of the original resolution under which this committee
was appointed requires it to give annually a report on the extension
o f civil-service systems. I agree that the most sorely needed thing
now is, and has been for some time, a constant study and toning up
of the civil-service commissions which are already in existence. There
are some—I do not doubt Wisconsin is one of them—which have
the proper ideals of service. Concerning another point which Mr.
Lubin raised about the difficulty oftentimes of getting civil-service
commissions to distinguish between paper qualifications and actual




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qualifications, we sometimes have that trouble in New York, but on
the whole I must give credit to our State civil-service commission that
when the case is properly laid before it, it not only will, but has and
does, distinguish between what you might call merely paper quali­
fications and the actual qualifications needed of a prospective em­
ployee. In other words, it is educated to that point now, if it were
not for the fact, particularly during the depression, that it has been
so undermanned that it is not able to give the attention that it formerly
did to such matters. However, it has the right point of view. I
remember 5 years ago on a given day in November, 60,000 people in
New York State took an examination for one single type of position.
And I remember one time when the great armory on Fourteenth Street
was occupied for a solid week with people taking examinations to be­
come members of the State police force. So that it has been impos­
sible in recent years to provide the civil-service commission with
sufficient staff to care for the immense horde of people who are want­
ing to get into the civil service. But it is important, as Mr. Lubin
points out, to so train or educate the civil-service commission to the
proper point of view that it will lay stress, not primarily upon paper
qualifications, but upon the individual in relation to the services to
be performed.
Mr. G oldy (Illinois). I should like to add a word in support of
Dr. Lubin’s thesis. Next year, if there is to be a report on
civil service, it might well be directed at the actual operations of
civil-service commissions rather than at merely the extension in terms
of legislation of the civil-service principle. For example, something
that was not included in Dr. Patton’s report, perhaps because it
developed so recently, was the fact that Illinois amended its civilservice law. One of the amendments requires that before any em­
ployee in the classified service can be discharged a hearing be held
before the civil-service commission. The civil-service commission,
however, did not get any increase in its appropriation, and its for­
mer appropriation was inadequate to hold such hearings as the origi­
nal law required. We do not know exactly how the law will be
interpreted, but it appears as though an administrator, if he must
get rid of an employee, may suspend him for 30 days. I f the civilservice commission cannot get around to holding a hearing by that
time, it may be that the employee must be reinstated.
Likewise, there were enacted into law certain principles with
respect to temporary employees, in an attempt to correct the evil
which Dr. Patton mentioned. We have, as a result, run into this
situation in the unemployment compensation division. We needed
a certain number of temporary employees at the beginning of benefit
payments. We needed some of the temporary employees in the
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local offices and other temporary employees in the central office. The
law says that no individual may be offered a permanent job in an
agency unless the temporary employees who are already in the
agency have been offered the jobs first. We have found that we
want to keep certain of the individuals in the local offices who came in
on a temporary basis. But it so happens that some of the temporary
people we have in the central office are a little higher on the civilservice list. The central office clerks do not know anything about
the local office work, but to make permanent a temporary job in the
local office we must take a person out of the central office because
he is a little higher on the list.
It appears, therefore, that a great deal more study must be given to
the operating methods of civil service commissions. More flexibility
must be provided in the administration of civil service, so that ad­
ministrators may not find themselves with their hands tied, before
we worry too much about correcting abuses, either fancied or real, bv
legislation. There is no reason why the two types of improvement
cannot go forward simultaneously, but we must be careful not to tie
the hands of the administrator in attempting to push the principle
of civil service. We do not yet know exactly what is going to happen
in Illinois, but it may be that in attempting to push the principle
of civil service, the civil service commission will find that it has
overplayed its hand, and that it has tied the administrators up in
such a way that it may lead to the abandonment of civil service
altogether.
Mr. D avie (New Hampshire). I think that one way to get around
some of the criticism of the civil service is to realize that we have laid
too much emphasis on the paper facts. There is a happy medium,
and it may be accomplished by this committee. I agree heartily
with Mr. Lubin that you have to have somebody who knows some­
thing about the particular job you want to fill; you have to combine
that ability with the paper facts. In that way I think perhaps we
would overcome a whole lot of the criticism of the civil service.
Mr. B ell . I should like to express the opinion that a too rigid
adherence to the principle of appointment from a selected list, or
promotion by seniority, would not work to the advantage of admin­
istration in the matters with which we as labor departments are con­
cerned. By that I mean, for instance, that a person suitable for
the work of a minimum-wage inspector must be very carefully se­
lected. We cannot just go out and pick the first person we meet,
or take the first person who happens to be at the head of a certain
list, and be sure that that person is the type necessary for the work
which we have in hand. Speaking from experience, I may say that
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mental inspectors in British Columbia, and that this is even more
necessary when it comes to technical inspectors, such as factory in­
spectors or boiler inspectors. So that while we, as a committee, may
very well support the principle of the civil service—because I do think
that it is deserving of support up to a certain point—still I should
like to go on record as being opposed to a too rigid adherence to
promotion merely by seniority or to appointment from some list that
has been drawn up by someone who is, perhaps, not so well acquainted
with the needs of the department as are the heads of the department
who are responsible for its operation.
Mr. W r a b e t z . Personally, I am glad that you mentioned the ques­
tion of seniority. I feel as you do. It seems to me that seniority
has no place in a properly administered civil service. I had it out
with our department just about a year ago when it said we had to
discharge a person strictly according to seniority which was based on
all our employees in all our divisions. There are functions that
persons in certain classifications are not familiar with at all, which
would have required us, in order to keep this one requirement of
seniority, to go through with two or three training periods.




Small Loans
Small Loans
R ep o rt o f Special C om m ittee on Small L oa n s, b y E . B .
D ep a rtm en t o f L a b o r ), Chairman

P

atton

( N ew Y ork

After the convention adjourned last year, the president, Mr. Dur­
kin, wrote to me asking me to accept chairmanship of a committee
on small loans. I did not know anything about the small-loan
business, but I assumed that he knew I did not know anything about
it but felt that I could learn. So I gathered information on the
subject, which I must say came largely from the Russell Sage Foun­
dation. It has published considerable material on this subject al­
ready, and much more material is to come out in a book to be
published this year.1 So that, although it was very cooperative and
opened up to me all of its information, records, estimates, etc., I
do not feel that it would be quite fair to them for us to publish in
advance the results which it has gone to so much work to secure.
1 must say this. I am just now on my way back home from an
automobile trip to the Pacific coast. From the time I passed the
Allegheny Mountains going west it struck me that this small-loan
business became increasingly worse. It is worse in the Middle West
and the Southwest than it is on the Atlantic seaboard. That is not
a compliment to the people who live on the Atlantic seaboard except
to this extent, that they realized somewhat earlier than you people
here did the extent of the evil and have adopted more legislation to
curb it.
The Russell Sage Foundation put out some years ago what it
called a “model small-loan law.” This has now gone through six
revisions and I have here a list of the States which have enacted
statutes based upon the sixth and latest revision of this so-called
model small-loan law. This model loan bill at first completely
staggered me. When I first learned about it in New York City some
years ago, I told Leon Henderson I thought he ought to be ashamed
of himself, being connected with the Russell Sage Foundation which
upheld 3 percent interest per month. He replied by furnishing
me photostatic copies of loan agreements taken from different
1

R ussell Sage F o u n d atio n , R egulation o f the Sm all L oan B usiness, by L o u is N.
R obinson and R o lf N ugen t (S m a ll Loan Series) ; also A n n o ta tio n s on Sm all L oan L aw s.
N ew Y ork, R u ssell Sage Found ation, 1 3 0 E a st 2 2d Street.

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parts of the United States in which there is practically no limit at
all. So that 3 percent a month under proper regulation is far
and away better than the situation which actually exists at this
moment in many of our States. In fact, I have come to this con­
clusion : that the average loan shark is not at all concerned with the
size of the loan which he makes at first. He is concerned with
making a loan, and when he once gets that loan made to you, he
expects never to allow you to get out of his debt. I f you borrow
$50 from him and repay $30, you do not still owe $20. You still owe
him money, and you pay and pay and pay.
As I say, I am not going to bother you with the extent and volume
of this business. The point that has been brought to my mind is this:
What ought State labor departments do about it? Ought they to
do anything about it? From such thinking as I have done on the
matter, I do not believe that State labor departments should take over
this problem. I thoroughly believe that we should all exert our
efforts to securing the wisest, sanest, small-loan statutes in each of
our States, but I am inclined to believe that its supervision should
be put under some other department, preferably perhaps the State
banking department. I do not believe that the New York State
Labor Department would find time to do anything else if it issued
a general blanket notice that any time anyone gets a loan from a
loan agency for an automobile or refrigerator or any one of 10,000
other things, and he thinks this loan agency is gouging him, he
can come here and we will straighten it out. I do not think any
State labor department could make such a proposition. My per­
sonal feeling at this time is that all of us should read the latest
and sixth revision of the Model Small Loan Act put out by the
Russell Sage Foundation, and on the basis of that get either that
or some more stringent statute enacted in our States. Then we
should see to it that its supervision is put into the hands of what­
ever body seems to you in your respective jurisdictions to be the
most forceful and competent agency for administering it.
I will read you a statistical estimate of the extent of this business.
After a long and careful study in 1937, the estimated loan balances
of unregulated lenders in States which lacked adequate regulatory
laws were $76,000,000. I f you include in that the volume of balances
outstanding in all States—this other figure, mind you, is of unregu­
lated lenders—it comes to $99,000,000. It is largely, of course, con­
fined to cities. I was rather shocked to find out that in some States
where there is some regulation of this matter, one of the favorite
vices of the loan sharks is this: They do not lend you money at all.
They simply buy your salary. I am, say, employed at $30 a week.
I go to them and want $90. They do not lend me $90. They buy my




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salary. It is just like I sell them a horse; I sell them my salary for
the next 3 weeks. In many States that takes them out from under the
operation of such small-loan supervision as there is. That is just
one example of the many, many devices which are resorted to to get
around this situation.
As I said, I have not yet been able to bring myself to the point of
saying that I would recommend that the State labor department in
any State have supervision of this small-loan business. I do not
believe we are the proper persons to do it. Many of these borrowers
are wage earners. You would be surprised at the extent to which
people, no matter where they are in the financial income brackets,
resort to these loan sharks. What I am getting at is that it is not
altogether a wage-earner problem but it is a problem affecting the
community at large.
I was amazed when I discovered the extent of this sort of thing.
It is widespread and of shady character. Even in States which now
have regulatory statutes, the number of devices resorted to by socalled money lenders is large.
D is c u s s io n

Mr. H a n e y (Minnesota). I think that the reason that the smallloan report was asked for at this meeting was because so many of the
State federations of labor connected with the American Federation
of Labor have carried it in their programs. I think the American
Federation of Labor nationally has been advocating the advance­
ment of the Russell Sage model bill, and for that reason it would fol­
low that as governmental labor officials we would be interested in it.
I do, however, agree with Dr. Patton that it does not belong in any
department of labor and industry. I might say that Minnesota did
enact the Russell Sage model bill at its last session of the legislature,
but it placed the control of it in the banking department, and the
licensing and enforcement of the law are entirely within the banking
department. However, the State federation of labor in Minnesota
had been trying for about 20 years to secure the passage of such a
small-loan law, and it would seem natural that any governmental
labor official would be interested in helping it attain its object.
I am interested in one phase of the small-loan bill particularly,
and that is the matter of the interest charges. I notice that Dr.
Patton made special reference to the fact that he was somewhat
surprised that the Russell Sage Foundation was advancing the
theory o f charging 3 percent a month or 36 percent a year. In Min­
nesota we have enacted such a law. Dr. Patton, were you convinced
by the Russell Sage Foundation that this is a fair numeral as far as
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Dr. P a t t o n . Apparently it is. It is a small business. It is like
the burial life insurance business. I have a collection of court de­
cisions in which the actual interest ran up to 1000 percent in some
States that did not have regulatory laws. One of them was in my
own State of New York, where it amounted to 1300 percent a year.
I can give you the exact citation and court case. It is obviously
improper to place the rate too low. I f you place the rate too low,
what you might call legalized money lenders cannot engage in the
business. When you adopt this Russell Sage bill you will find a
marked increase in loans, but it is out in the open. Those terms,
although they seem too high to us, have to be complied with. They
cannot charge more than that. It takes away the stigma from the
loan business. I would not advise anyone in this group to go into
it as borrowers, but least it is open and aboveboard. Where you have
a law in which you are limited to 6 percent a year, immediately you
find all the loan sharks go out of business openly, but they thrive
under cover.




Business Meetings— Reports and Resolutions
Report o f the Secretary-Treasurer
Since the Charleston convention the Indiana Division of Labor, the Utah
Industrial Commission, the Maryland Commission of Labor and Statistics, and
the Oregon Bureau of Labor have joined the Association. The membership
now stands as follow s:
ACTIVE MEMBERS

United States Bureau of Labor Statistics.
United States Bureau of Mines.
United States Children’s Bureau.
United States Employment Service.
United States Women’s Bureau.
United States Division of Labor Standards.
United States Social Security Board.
National Labor Relations Board.
Albama Department of Labor.
Arkansas Department of Labor.
Connecticut Department of Labor and Factory Inspection.
Illinois Department of Labor.
Indiana Division of Labor.
Iowa Bureau of Labor.
Kansas Department of Labor.
Massachusetts Department of Labor and Industries.
Missouri Department of Labor and Industrial Inspection.
New Jersey Department of Labor.
New York Department of Labor.
North Carolina Department of Labor.
Oklahoma Department of Labor.
Pennsylvania Department of Labor and Industry.
Puerto Rico Department of Labor.
Rhode Island Department of Labor.
South Carolina Department of Labor.
Utah Industrial Commission.
Virginia Department of Labor and Industry.
West Virginia Department of Labor.
Wisconsin Industrial Commission,
British Columbia Department of Labor.
Department of Labor of Canada.
ASSOCIATE MEMBERS

Delaware Labor Commission.
Maryland Commission of Labor and Statistics.
New Hampshire Bureau of Labor.
North Dakota Department of Agriculture and Labor.
Oregon Bureau of Labor.
Alberta Department of Trade and Industry.
HONORARY MEMBERS

Leifur Magnusson.
A. L. Fletcher, Assistant Administrator in Charge of Compliance, W age and
Hour Division, U. S. Department of Labor
The proceedings of the Charleston convention have been printed as Bulletin
No. 666 of the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the United States Department of
Labor.
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The committees which were continued from last year and which have pre­
pared reports for presentation to this convention, are as follows:
C o m m it t e e on a p p r en tic e tra in in g .— Voyta Wrabetz, Industrial Commission
of Wisconsin, chairman; William F. Patterson, Federal Committee on Appren­
tice Training.
C o m m itte e on ch ild la b or. — Beatrice McConnell, United States Children’s
Bureau, chairman; Morgan R. Mooney, Connecticut Department of Labor; Mrs.
Louise Q. Blodgett, United States Children’s Bureau; B. W . Cason, Louisiana
Department of Labor.
C o m m itte e o n civ il s e r v ic e . — E. B. Patton, New York Department of Labor,
chairman; Maud Swett, Wisconsin Industrial Commission; Gerald Brown,
Canada Department of Labor; Gerald Tremblay, Quebec Department of Labor;
Leonard D. White, Civil Service Commission.
C o m m itte e o n f a c t o r y in sp e c tio n . — Joseph M. Tone.
C o m m itte e on in d u stria l h o m e w o r k . — Morgan R. Mooney, Connecticut Depart­
ment of Labor, chairman; Frieda S. Miller, New York Department of Labor;
Martin P. Durkin, Illinois Department of Labor.
C o m m it t e e o n m in im u m -w a g e la w s. — Louise Stitt, United States Women’s
Bureau, chairman; Frieda S. Miller, New York Department of Labor; Mrs. Rex
Eaton, British Columbia Board of Industrial Relations.
C o m m itte e o n o ld -a g e a ssista n ce . — W . A. Pat Murphy, Oklahoma Department
of Labor.
C o m m itte e on u n e m p lo y m e n t c o m p e n sa tio n . — George E. Bigge, United States
Social Security Board.
C o m m itte e on w a g e -c la im c o llec tio n la w s. — E. I. McKinley, Arkansas Depart­
ment of Labor, chairman; Morgan R, Mooney, Connecticut Department of Labor;
W . A. Pat Murphy, Oklahoma Department of Labor.
C o m m itte e on w o m e n in in d u s tr y . — Mary Anderson, United States Women’s
Bureau, chairman; Frieda S. Miller, New York Department of Labor; Margaret
McIntosh, Canada Department of Labor; Florence A. Burton, Minnesota Depart­
ment of Labor and Industry; Mrs. Louise Q. Blodgett, United States Children’s
B ureau; Mrs. Daisy L. Gulick, Kansas Department of Labor.
FIN A N C IA L

1938
Sept. 8
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30
30
30
1939
Aug. 1
3
7
10

12

12
14
16

21
22
23
23
23
26
28

STATEM E N T

C OVERING

PERIOD

SINCE

CHARLESTON

CON VENTION

R eceipts •
Balance in bank_______________________________________________ $2, 015. 45
New York Department of Labor, 1939 dues_________ $25. 00
North Dakota Department of Agriculture and
Labor, 1939 dues__________________________________
10. 00
25. 00
Rhode Island Department of Labor, 1939 dues____
Ohio Department of Industrial Relations, 1939 dues.
10. 00
Virginia Department of Labor and Industry, 1940
dues________________________________________________
Oklahoma Department of Labor, 1940 dues________
South Carolina Department of Labor, 1940 dues__
North Carolina Department of Labor, 1940 dues__
Illinois Department of Labor, 1940 dues___________
Maryland Department of Labor, 1940 dues-----------Missouri Department of Labor, 1940 dues_________
British Columbia Department of Labor, 1940 dues__
Massachusetts Department of Labor, 1940 dues___
W est Virginia Department of Labor, 1940 dues____
Arkansas Bureau of Labor, 1940 dues______________
Iowa Bureau of Labor, 1940 dues___________________
New Hampshire Bureau of Labor, 1940 dues______
Wisconsin Industrial Commission, 1940 dues______
Alberta Department of Trade and Industry, 1940
dues________________________________________________




25. 00
25. 00
25. 00
25. 00
25. 00
10. 00
25. 00
25. 00
25. 00
25. 00
25. 00
25. 00
10. 00
25. 00
10. 00

400. 00
Total receipts

2, 415. 45

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ST AT EM E N T

C OVERING

PERIOD

SINCE

19 3 9

CHARLESTON

C O N VE N T IO N -----

continued
D isbursem ents
1938
Sept. 15
15
15
19
28

Joyce Easterling, services at Charleston conven­
tion___________________________________________________$10.
Anna A. Agnew, services at Charleston convention. 10.
Lucille Gaiser, reporting Charleston convention____ 100.
Caslon Press, 250 printed programs, Charleston
23.
convention_________________________________________
John B. Clark, secretary’s bond, October 20, 1938,
to October 20, 1939________________________________
5.

1939
Apr.
18 Cash, postage for secretary’s office_________________
July
24 Cash, postage for secretary’s office_________________
Aug. 1 Caslon Press, 100 billheads; 1,000 letterheads; 1,000
envelopes___________________________________________
Aug.
11 Cash, postage for secretary’s office_________________
Sept.
1 Cash, postage for secretary’s office_________________

00
00
00
75
00

5. 00
5. 00
27. 75
5. 00
5. 00

Total disbursements___________________________________
Sept.

5

Net balance___________________________________________________

$196. 50
2, 218. 95

Since the Tulsa meeting the following membership checks have been received
(the Nova Scotia Ministry of Labor and the California Department of Industrial
Relations are new members who have joined since the Tulsa meeting):
1939
Sept. 13
13
13
19
19
19
23
25
27
27
Oct. 19
25
26
1940
Feb.
8

21

Alabama Department of Labor, 1940 dues_______________________ $25. 00
10. 00
Oregon Department of Labor, 1940 dues_______________________
Kansas Department of Labor, 1940 dues_______________________
25. 00
N ova Scotia Ministry of Labor, 1940 dues_____________________
25. 00
Utah Industrial Commission, 1940 dues________________________
25. 00
Puerto Rico Department of Labor, 1940 dues__________________
25. 00
Delaware Labor C.ommission, 1940 dues________________________
10. 00
North Dakota Commission of Agriculture and Labor, 1940 dues. 10. 00
New York Department of Labor, 1940 dues____________________
25. 00
Indiana Division of Labor, 1940 dues___________________________
25. 00
Rhode Island Department of Labor, 1940 dues________________
25. 00
New Jersey Department of Labor, 1940 dues___________________
25. 00
Connecticut Department of Labor and Factory Inspection,
1940 dues_____________________________________________________
25. 00
California Department of Industrial Relations, 1940 dues_____
Pennsylvania Department of Labor and Industry, 1940 dues__
Isad or

25. 00
25. 00

L u b in ,

Secretary- Treasurer.

Report and Recommendations o f the Executive Board
Your executive board has held one meeting during the past year.
W e recommend to the association that the consolidation of the United States
Employment Service and the Unemployment Compensation Division of the
Social Security Board makes more necessary than ever the continuation of our
efforts to federate our association with the Association of Unemployment Com­
pensation Commissioners and the Association of Employment Office Executives.
Although little progress has been made in this direction thus far, your board
is of the opinion that since we may rightfully look forward to the ultimate
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employment service, we may look forward to the success of our efforts in
amalgamating those national associations concerned with the welfare of labor.
1. In order that we may continue our efforts to federate these organizations,
your board recommends that we continue the appropriation of $500 for travel
expenses of the president or other officials designated by the executive board
to act in behalf of the association in contacting the Association of Unemployment
Compensation Commissioners and the Association of Employment Office
Executives.
2. Your secretary-treasurer, due to the pressure of additional duties that
he has had to assume, submitted his resignation to the executive board. Your
board voted unanimously not to accept his resignation.
3. Your board further recommends that such portion of above-mentioned
appropriation of $500 as may be available be placed at the disposal of your
president and other officials designated by the executive board for travel
expenses to attend meetings of State legislatures, upon the invitation of
State labor commissioners, to present the official 'attitude of the association
toward proposed labor legislation.
4. Your board further recommends that an appropriation of $300 be made
for travel expenses of members of the executive board for attendance at board
meetings.
5. Your board further recommends that you authorize the payment of $100
to Mrs. Lucille McNeill for stenographic and transcription services for the
minutes of this convention.
6. Your board further recommends the authorization of expenditure not to
exceed $50 for gifts to such persons as helped our association in a clerical
and in other ways at this meeting.
7. In view of the fact that this association made a tentative commitment
at its Toronto convention in 1937 to hold its 1939 meeting in the city of New
York, and in view of the fact that this commitment was not kept, your board
unanimously recommends that the association hold its twenty-sixth annual
meeting in the city of New York.

Resolutions Adopted by the Convention

C e n tr a lis e d A d m in is t r a t io n o f L a b o r L a w s
1. Whereas organized labor has largely through its own efforts secured the
enactment of the Wagner-Peyser Act and the Social Security A c t ; and
Whereas these laws and the institutions created under their provisions
exist for the purpose of affording some degree of protection to labor against
the burden of unemployment; and
Whereas labor properly regards these laws and the protection afforded by
them as labor’s rights and not as a dole bestowed on the basis of status; and
Whereas labor regards the department of labor, both State and Federal, as
the proper agencies to protect and enforce its rights; Now therefore be it
R eso lv ed , That the administration of the laws recognizing labor’s right to
employment security be vested solely in these agencies, both State and Federal,
charged with the enforcement and administration of laws to protect laboring
men and wom en; and be it further
R esolved , That where the administration of such laws is the responsibility
of other agencies, it should be returned to the departments of labor, whether
State or Federal.




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I n t e r n a t io n a l L a b o r O r g a n is a t io n
2. Whereas the work carried out by the International Labor Office is non­
political and
Whereas the work has demonstrated its usefulness to the member nations
of the International Labor Organization and to labor throughout the world:
R e s o l v e d , That the International Association of Governmental Labor Officials
hereby places itself on record as warmly urging the continued support of and
participation in the work of the International Labor Organization in time of
war as in time of peace.

P r o t e c t io n o f L a b o r ’s R i g h t s i n a n E m e r g e n c y 1
3. Whereas the International Association of Governmental Labor Officials is
strongly opposed to the participation by this country in any foreign w ar; but
Whereas this Association recognized the possibility of emergency production
demands being placed upon labor and industry:
R e s o lv e d , That this Association go on record as strongly urging that in the
event of such emergency:
(1) Labor be given adequate representation on all war industry and other
boards which affect labor’s interest.
(2) Labor standards built up over long periods of years be maintained and
safeguarded.
(3) The fundamental rights of collective bargaining, freedom of speech,
freedom of assembly, and peaceful persuasion be guaranteed just as in peace
time.
4. In view of the appalling situation now facing the w orld:
R e s o lv e d , That the International Association of Governmental Labor Officials
recognizes the possibility of emergency-production demands.
R e s o lv e d , That this Association and its members will seek to recall to the
public mind:
1. That the promotion of the general welfare is a foundation principle of
our government;
2. That many scientific studies have given repeated evidence that the well­
being of the workers is a primary condition of efficient production and of
wholesome national life ;
3. That previous war experience emphasized the importance of maintaining
adequate labor standards.
R e s o lv e d , That this Association and its members will use every effort at
their command to maintain all standards in the labor field that have been
built up both by Federal and by State authorities, including those applying to
all workers and those applying especially to women.
Whereas, the war now raging in Europe threatens not only the peace of
this country but also endangers the existence of those rights of the workers
obtained by struggle and privation for more than one hundred years; and
Whereas, the disparity between the wages paid to the worker and the prices
charged for his product has already increased to the disadvantage of the
worker through the unreasonable and unnecessary increases in retail prices
by wartime profiteers; and
Whereas, experience shows that wages inevitably lag behind such increases
in prices during period of inflation: Now, therefore, be it
R e s o lv e d , That the International Association of Governmental Labor Officials
assembled here in convention this 9th day of September 1939, petition the
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President of these United States to cause an immediate investigation to be
made by the Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, and other
governmental agencies concerned with prices, into excessive prices now being
charged for foodstuffs and other necessities; and be it further
R eso lv ed , That failing successful governmental action to prevent inordinate
increases in retail prices, the Administrator of the Wage and Hour Division
of the Department of Labor be requested to appoint sufficient industry com­
mittees in conformity with the Fair Labor Standards Act to increase the mini­
mum wage rates immediately to whatever point necessary adequately to meet
increases in the cost of living; and be it further
R esolved , That copies of this resolution be sent to the President of the
United States, the governors of those States having minimum-wage laws, the
Secretary of the United States Department of Labor, and the Administrator of
the Wage and Hour Division of the Department of Labor.

L a b o r R e la t io n s
6. Whereas certain States have adopted antilabor legislation which mas­
querades under titles of employment peace acts; and
Whereas such laws seriously infringe upon the civil rights of labor guaranteed
in the Constitution of the United States and formulated as substantive law
by the courts over the past 50 years; and
Whereas there appears to be a concerted effort now being made by those
interests opposed to organized labor to enact similar legislation in other States:
Now, therefore, be it
R eso lved , That this Association record itself as opposing the adoption of
such legislation by any State in which it may be proposed.

C h ild L a b o r
7. Whereas the report of the committee on child labor has emphasized the
desirability of uniformity in State child labor standards and the effectiveness
of Federal-State cooperation in the protection of young workers: Be it
R esolved , That the International Association of Governmental Labor Officials
reaffirm its support o f:
(a) The amendment of State laws (1) to bring the State child-labor standards
for manufacturing and mining industries up to those of the Fair Labor Standards
A ct; (2) to extend these standards to those types of employment not covered
by the Fair Labor Standards A c t ; (3) to provide for employment certificates
for all minors up to 18 years of age and for adequate supervision of the issuance
of such certificates by the State department of labor; (4) to regulate effectively
the employment of children in street trades and in industrialized agriculture;
and (5) to extend State compulsory-school-attendance laws to all children
under 16 years of age and to children between 16 and 18 years of age unless
they are legally employed.
(b) The active cooperation of State labor departments with the Children’s
Bureau of the United States Department of Labor in the administration of
the child-labor provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act.
(c) An effective Nation-wide minimum standard for all child workers, to
be attained through the ratification of the pending child labor amendment by
the necessary eight States.
(d) The development of more comprehensive State statistics on industrial
injuries and industrial diseases of young workers, with a view to providing




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1939

sound information as a basis for the determination of occupations hazardous
for minors under both State and Federal legislation; and be it further
R eso lv ed , That in view of the present European conflict and regardless of
future development, every effort be made to maintain existing child-labor
standards and to safeguard the rights of children to education, normal develop­
ment, and sane living.
8. Whereas the child-labor provisions of the Federal Fair Labor Standards
Act of 1938 provide that the Children’s Bureau may reimburse the States for
their assistance and in the enforcement of the child-labor provisions; and
Whereas many States are operating on curtailed appropriations which makes
it impossible adequately to enforce this added burden without Federal assistance:
Now therefore be it
R eso lv ed , That the Children’s Bureau of the United States Department of
Labor rush to completion rules and regulations which will enable them to assist
the several States financially in the enforcement of the Act above mentioned;
and be it further
R eso lv ed , That the chairman of this convention appoint three persons to
confer with officials of the Children’s Bureau and to assist in working out the
necessary procedure toward this end.

M in im u m -W a g e L a w s
9. Whereas this Association has frequently gone on record as favoring the
extension of the benefits of minimum-wage legislation; and
Whereas, many of the States, which at present have minimum-wage laws, are
finding it difficult to bring under the protection of those laws all of the workers
eligible to their benefits due to lack of funds properly to enforce additional wage
orders; and
Whereas due to unhappy world conditions the cost of living of all workers
will undoubtedly increase during the next 12 m onths:
R eso lv ed , That the International Association of Governmental Labor Officials
and its members will use every effort to secure adequate appropriations for State
minimum-wage divisions, and where that is immediately impossible, will endea­
vor to secure such allocation of existing State labor department funds as will
enable the minimum-wage divisions to expand their work so as properly to meet
the present crisis.

F a c t o r y I n s p e c t io n
10. R eso lv ed , That this Association places itself on record as strongly favoring
the full and complete safeguarding of machines by their manufacturers in the
process of manufacturing, and further urges that all deterring conflicts in State
and other governmental safety codes, regulations, requirements, or practices be
resolved and eliminated.
R esolved , That the President appoint a committee of three to further this
movement among employers, manufacturers of machines, and governmental
agencies.

E x t e n s io n o f S o c ia l S e c u r it y
11. R esolved , That the International Association of Governmental Labor
Officials favors the extension to the Territory of Puerto Rico of the provisions of
the Social Security Act providing for unemployment compensation and also of
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G en eral
12.
R esolved , That this convention extend its sincere thanks to the Honorable
Leon C. Phillips, Governor of the State of Oklahoma, the Honorable MacQ. W il­
liamson, Attorney General of the State of Oklahoma, the Honorable T. A. Penney,
Mayor of the City of Tulsa, Commissioner W . A. Pat Murphy, and members of
his staff, for the fine hospitality accorded the delegates during our stay in T u lsa ;
and be it further
R esolved , That we extend our thanks to the Mayo Hotel and all others who
have contributed to our pleasure while guests in this c ity ; and be it further
R esolved , That this Association express its appreciation to Mr. Harry Swartz,
President of the Tulsa Federation of Labor, for donating radio time to the Asso­
ciation for the broadcast of an address by the Assistant Secretary of Labor,
Marshall E. Dimock.

Report o f Auditing Committee
Your auditing committee reports that it has examined the books of the
Association and has found them to be neatly kept and in balance as reported
by the secretary-treasurer.
The cash balance carried over was $2,015.45. Receipts for the year totaled
$400; disbursements amounted to $196.50, making a net gain of $203.50 and
leaving a total cash balance of $2,218.95.

Report o f Nominating Committee
The nominating committee at the twenty-fifth annual convention submits
herewith for your approval the following list of names to serve as officers of
the Association for the ensuing y ea r:
P resid en t.— Adam Bell, Department of Labor, Victoria, British Columbia.
F irst v ice p resid en t.— Frieda S. Miller, Department of Labor, New York,
N. Y.
Second v ice presid en t.— Voyta Wrabetz, Industrial Commission, Madison, W is.
Third v ice presid en t.— E. I. McKinley, Department of Labor, Little Rock, Ark.
F ou rth v ice presid en t.— C. H. Gram, Commissioner of Labor, Salem, Oreg.
F ifth v ice presid en t.— Morgan R. Mooney, Deputy Commissioner, Hartford,
Conn.
S ecreta ry-trea su rer.— Isador Lubin, Bureau of Labor Statistics, Washington,
D. C.




Appendixes
Appendix A .— Organization o f International Association o f
Governmental Labor Officials

O ffic e r s, 1 9 3 9 -4 0
President.—Adam Bell, Victoria, B. C.
First vice president.—Frieda S. Miller, New York City.
Second vice president.—Voyta Wrabetz, Madison, Wis.
Third vice president.—E. I. McKinley, Little Bock, Ark.
Fourth vice president.—C. H. Gram, Salem, Oreg.
Fifth vice president.—Morgan B. Mooney, Hartford, Conn.
Secretary-treasurer.—Isador Lubin, Washington, D. C.

H o n o r a r y L ife M e m b e r s
George P. Hambrecht, Wisconsin.
Frank E. Wood, Louisiana.
Linna Bresette, Illinois.
Dr. C. B. Connelley, Pennsylvania.
John H. Hall, Jr., Virginia.
Herman Witter, Ohio.
John S. B. Davie, New Hampshire.
B. H. Lansburgh, Pennsylvania.
Alice McFarland, Kansas.
H. M. Stanley, Georgia.
A. L. Ulrick, Iowa.
Dr. Andrew F. McBride, Minnesota.
Louise E. Schutz, Minnesota.
Maj. A. L. Fletcher, North Carolina.

C o n s t it u t io n
Adopted at Chicago, 111., May 20, 1924 ; amended August 15, 1925; June 3, 1927; May 24,
1 9 2 8 ; May 23, 1 9 3 0 ; September 15, 1933 ; September 29, 1934 ; September 16, 1937

A rticle

I

Name.

S ection 1.
— This organization shall be known as the International
Association of Governmental Labor Officials.
A rticle

II

S ection 1 . O b jects.— To encourage the cooperation of all branches of Federal,
State, and Provincial Governments who are charged with the administration of
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laws and regulations for the protection of women and children, and the safety
and welfare of all workers in industry; to maintain and promote the best pos­
sible standards of law enforcement and administrative method; to act as a
medium for the interchange of information for and by the members of the
association in all matters pertaining to the general welfare of men, women, and
young workers in industry; to aid in securing the best possible education for
minors which will enable them to adequately meet the constantly changing
industrial and social changes; to promote the enactment of legislation that con­
forms to and deals with the ever-recurring changes that take place in industry,
and in rendering more harmonious relations in industry between employers and
employees, to assist in providing greater and better safeguards to life and limb
of industrial workers, and to cooperate with other agencies in making the best
and safest use of property devoted to industrial purposes; to secure by means
of educational methods a greater degree of interstate and interprovincial uni­
formity in the enforcement of labor laws and regulations; to assist in the
establishment of standards of industrial safety that will give adequate pro­
tection to workers; to encourage Federal, State, and Provincial labor depart­
ments to cooperate in compiling and disseminating statistics dealing with
employment, unemployment, earnings, hours of labor, and other matters of
interest to industrial workers and of importance to the welfare of women
and children; to collaborate and cooperate with associations of employers and
associations of employees in order that all of these matters may be given
the most adequate consideration; and to promote national prosperity and inter­
national good will by correlating as far as possible the activities of the members
of this association.

A rticle

III

S ection 1. M em bersh ip.— The active membership of this association shall
consist of—
(a ) The United States Department of Labor and subdivisions thereof, United
States Bureau of Mines, and the Department of Labor of the Dominion of
Canada.
(&) State and Provincial departments of labor and other State and Provincial
organizations administering laws pertaining to labor.
(c) Federal, State, or Provincial employment services.
S ec . 2. H on ora ry m em bers.— Any person who has rendered service while
connected with any Federal, State, and Provincial department of labor, and the
American representative of the International Labor Office, may be elected to
honorary membership by a unanimous vote of the executive board.
S ec . 3. A sso cia te m em berships.— Any individual, organization, or corporation
interested in and working along the lines of the object of this association may
become an associate member of this association by the unanimous vote of the
executive board.
A rticle IY
S ection 1. Officers.— The officers of this association shall be a president, a
first, second, third, fourth, and fifth vice president, and a secretary-treasurer.
The executive board shall consist of these officers, together with the outgoing
president, who shall serve as an ex-officio member of the board for 1 year.
S ec . 2. E lectio n o f officers.— Such officers shall be elected from the members
at the regular annual business meeting of the association by a majority ballot
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and shall hold office for one year, or until their successors are elected and
qualified.
S ec . 3. The officers shall be elected from representatives of the active mem­
bership of the association.

A rticle V

sec t io n 1. D u ties o f th e officers.— The president shall preside at all meetings
of the association and the executive board, preserve order during its delibera­
tions, appoint all committees, and sign all records, vouchers, or other documents
in connection with the work of the association. He shall fill all vacancies
caused by death, resignation, or otherwise.
S ec . 2. The vice presidents, in order named, shall perform the duties of the
president in his absence.
S ec . 3. The secretary-treasurer shall have charge of all books, papers, rec­
ords and other documents of the association; shall receive and have charge of all
dues and other moneys; shall keep a full and complete record of all receipts and
disbursements; shall keep the minutes of all meetings of the association and
the executive board; shall conduct all correspondence pertaining to the office;
shall compile statistics and other data as may be required for the use of the
members of the association; and shall perform such other duties as may be
directed by the convention or the executive board. The secretary-treasurer shall
present a detailed written report of receipts and expenditures to the convention.
The secretary-treasurer shall be bonded for the sum of $500, the fee for such
bond to be paid by the association. The secretary-treasurer shall publish the
proceedings of the convention as promptly as possible, the issue to consist of
such numbers of copies as the executive board may direct. The secretarytreasurer shall receive such salary as the executive board may decide, but not
less than $300 per year.
Sec. 4. The business of the association between conventions shall be conducted
by the executive board, and all questions coming before the board shall be de­
cided by a majority vote, except that of the election of honorary members, which
shall be by unanimous vote.
A rticle VI

S ection 1. F in a n ces.— With the exception of those organizations included
under (a ) of section 1 of article III each active member shall pay for the year
ending June 30, 1936, and thereafter annual dues of $25, except that where the
organization has no funds for the purpose, and an individual officer or member
of the staff wishes to pay dues for the organization, the fee shall be $10 per
annum for active membership of the organization in such cases.
The executive board may order an assessment levied upon affiliated depart­
ments not to exceed 1 year’s dues.
Sec. 2. The annual dues of associate members shall be $10.
A rticle

VII

S ection 1. W h o en titled to v o te .— All active members shall be entitled to vote
on all questions coming before the meeting of the association as hereinafter
provided.
S ec . 2. In electing officers of the association, State departments of labor
represented by several delegates shall only be entitled to one vote. The dele­
gates from such departments must select one person from their representatives
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The various bureaus of the United States Department of Labor and the
Department of Labor of Canada may each be entitled to one vote.
The rule for electing officers shall apply to the vote for selecting the convention
city.

A rticle

V III

S ection 1. M e e t in g s .— The association shall meet at least once annually at
such time and place as the executive board may decide unless otherwise ordered
by the convention.
A rticle

IX

S ection 1. P r o g r a m . — The program committee shall consist of the president,
the secretary-treasurer, and the head of the department of the State or Province
within which the convention is to be held, and they shall prepare and publish
the convention programs of the association as far in advance of the meeting a'
possible.
S ec . 2. The committee on program shall set aside at least one session of tne
convention as a business session, at which session the regular order of business,
and election of officers, shall be taken up, and no other business shall be con­
sidered at that session until the “regular order” has been completed.
A rticle X
S ection 1. R u le s o f o rd vr.— The deliberations of the convention shall be gov­
erned by “Cushing’s Manual.”
A rticle

XI

S ection 1. A m e n d m e n ts . — Amendments to the constitution must be filed with
the secretary-treasurer in triplicate and referred to the committee on constitu­
tion and bylaws. A two-thirds vote of all delegates shall be required to adopt
any amendment.
A rticle

X II

S ection 1. O r d e r o f b u sin ess. —
1. Roll call of members by States and Provinces.
2. Appointment of committees:
(a ) Committee of five on officers’ reports.
(&) Committee of five on resolutions.
(c) Committee of three on constitution and bylaws.
( d ) Special committees.
3. Reports of officers.
4. Reports of States and Provinces.
5. Reports of committees.
6. Unfinished business.
7. New business.
8. Election of officers.
9. Adjournment.




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Development o f the International Association o f Governmental
Labor Officials 1

A s s o c ia t io n o f C h ie fs a n d O ffic ia ls o f B u r e a u s o f L a b o r
No.

Date

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June 1886...................__
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June 1889_____ ____ 1890 a_______________
May 1891_ - ________
May 1892............... .......
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May 1894.......... ............
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May 1897 .................
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September 1905 _____
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Convention held at—

President

Columbus, Ohio. ... _ H. A. Newman
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St. Louis, Mo____ ____ ____do________________
Boston, Mass _______ Carroll D. Wright _
Trenton, N. J_________ ___d o ___ ___ _______
Madison, Wis _______ ___do
Indianapolis, Ind _____ ___d o ______ _________
Hartford, Conn. _____ ........do________________
Des Moines, Iowa_____ ___do __ ___ ___ _____
do
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Philadelphia, Pa ______
Denver, Colo ________ Charles F. Peck ___
Albany, N. Y ________ .d o
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Washington, D. C ____ Carroll D. Wright ___
Minneapolis, Minn____ . -_ do. . _ ____
Albany, N. Y ______ _do
Nashville, Tenn. _____ . . . d o _ ___________
Detroit, Mich_________ _ _ _ d o _ _
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Augusta, Maine_______ ___d o ________________
Milwaukee, Wis ___ . do . - St. Louis, Mo _____ _ . _ do __ _
New Orleans, La ____ ___do __ ___________
Washington, D. C ___ ___do __ _____ ___ ___
Concord, N. H ________ ___do______ ________
San Francisco, Calif _ _
do
Boston, Mass ____ _ Charles P. Neill .
Norfolk, V a __________ ___do ___ _ ______
Detroit, Mich ____ _ _ . do . . . .
Rochester, N. Y _______ ___do ____________ _

Secretary-treasurer
Henry Luskey.
Do.
John S. Lord.
E. R. Hutchins.
Do.
Do.
Do.
Do.
Frank H. Betton.
Do.
Do.
L. G. Powers.
Do.
Samuel B. Horne.
Do.
Do.
Do.
James M. Clark.
Do.
Do.
Do.
Do.
W. L. A. Johnson.
Do.
Do.
Do.
Do.

i
Known as Association of Governmental Labor Officials, 1914-27; Association of Government Officials
in Industry, 1928-33.
3No meeting.
I n t e r n a t io n a l A s s o c ia t io n o f F a c t o r y I n s p e c to r s
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June 1887. _________
August 1888_________
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September 1892 _____
September 1893 _____
September 1894______
September 1895______
September 1896 _ ____
August and Septem­
ber 1897.
September 1898______
August 1899_________
October 1900.............. .
September 1901______
December 1902.............
August 1903 _______
September 1904 _____
August 1905_________
June 1906___________
June 1907 __________
June 1908 __________
June 1909 __________

Philadelphia, Pa______
Boston, Mass _______
Trenton, N. J _____
New York, N. Y ______
Cleveland, Ohio_______
Hartford, Conn ______
Chicago, HI
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Philadelphia, P a ._ ____
Providence, R. I______
Toronto, Canada ____
Detroit, Mich_________
Boston, Mass ______
Quebec, Canada_______
Indianapolis, Ind........ .
Niagara Falls, N. Y ___
Charleston, S. C...........
Montreal, Canada ____
St. Louis, Mo_________
Detroit, Mich_________
Columbus, Ohio______
Hartford, Conn ____
Toronto, Canada
Rochester, N. Y _______

Rufus Wade . ______
_ do
_ do
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William Z. McDonald. _
John Franey
____do. _ ___________
____do _______________
C. H. Morse ____ _
Rufus R. Wade_______
___ do __ _ . _______
____do. __ __________
James Campbell_______
_ . do . _ _____
John Williams _______
James Mitchell _____
Daniel H. McAbee
Edgar T. D avies_____
Malcolm J. McLead___
John H. Morgan
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George L MeLean
James T. Burke_______

Secretary-treasurer
Henry Dorn.
Do.
Do.
L. R. Campbell.
Isaac S. Mullen.
Do.
Mary O’Reilly.
Do.
Evan H. Davis.
Do.
Alzina P. Stevens.
Joseph L. Cox.
Do.
Do.
R. M. Hull.
Do.
Davis F. Spees.
Do.
C. V. Hartsell.
Thomas Keity.
Do.
Do.
Do.

J o in t M e e t in g o f t h e A s s o c ia t io n o f C h ie fs a n d O ffic ia ls o f B u r e a u s o f L a b o r
a n d I n t e r n a t io n a l A s s o c ia t io n o f F a c t o r y I n s p e c to r s
No.

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August 1910..................
September 1911______
September 1912______
May 1913 ....................

Hendersonville, N. C.,
and Columbia, S. C.
Lincoln, Nebr__ _..........
Washington, D. C........ .
Chicago, 111 __________




President

Secretary-treasurer

J. Ellerly Hudson......... E. J. Watson.
Louis Guyon— ............... W. W. Williams.
Edgar T. Davies...........
Do.
A. L. Garrett_________ W. L. Mitchell.

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I n t e r n a t io n a l A s s o c ia t io n o f G o v e r n m e n t a l L a b o r O ffic ia ls 1
[Resulting from amalgamation of the Association of Chiefs and Officials of Bureaus of Labor and the Inter­
national Association of Factory Inspectors]
No.

Date

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June 1914. ..............
June-July 1915______
July 1916____________
September 1917______
June 1918___________
June 1919___________
July 1920.......................
May 1921......................
May 1922___________
May 1923___________
May 1924___________
August 1925_________
June 1926. _________
May-June 1927______
May 1928. ........... ........
June 1929. ....................
May 1930................... .
May 1931___________
September 1933 5____
September 1934______
October 1935________
September 1936. ____
September 1937_____
September 1938. __ _.
September 1939. ____

Convention held at

President

Secretary-treasurer

Nashville, Tenn. _.......... Barney Cohen................. W. L. Mitchell.
Detroit, Mich.................. ___ do_____________ John T. Fitzpatrick.
Buffalo, N. Y_________ James V. Cunningham..
Do.
Asheville, N. C........... Oscar Nelson__________
Do.
Des Moines, Iowa_____ Edwin Mulready______ Linna E. Bresette.
Madison, Wis_________ C. H. Younger________
Seattle, Wash_________ Geo. P. Hambrecht........
New Orleans, La______ Frank E. Hoffman____
Harrisburg, Pa................ Frank E. Wood_______
Richmond, Va________ C. B. Connelley.............. Louise E. Schutz.
Do.
Chicago, 111___________ John Hopkins Hall, Jr..
Do.
Salt Lake City, U tah ... George B. Arnold_____
Do.
Columbus, Ohio______ H. R. Witter__________
Do.
Paterson, N. J________ John S. B. Davie______
M. Stanley ...........
New Orleans, L a........... /H.
\Andrew F. McBride___ } Do.
/Andrew
F. McBride3... } Do.
Toronto, Canada........... \Maud Swett__________
Louisville, K y................. Maud Swett__________
H. H. Ballantyne4.
Boston, Mass............... . John
W. A. Rooksbery______ } Do.
Leroy Sweetser 6____ ]Maud Swett.
Chicago, 111...................... /E.
\E. R. Patton__________
Boston, Mass.................. T. E. Whitaker........... . Isador Lubin.
Do.
Asheville, N. C _______ Joseph M. Tone..............
Do.
Topeka, Kans_________ A. W. Crawford_______
Do.
Toronto, Canada............. A. L. Fletcher________
Charleston, S. C______ W. A. Pat Murphy____
Do.
Do.
Tulsa, Okla___________ Martin P. Durkin_____

1 Known as Association of Governmental Labor Officials, 1914-27; Association of Government Officials
in Industry, 1928-33.
2 Mr. Stanley resigned in March 1928.
3 Dr. McBride resigned in March 1929.
4 Mr. Ballantyne resigned in January 1931.
s No convention was held in 1932, but a meeting of the executive committee and other members was held
in Buffalo in June 1932 to discuss matters of interest to the Association.
6 Mr. Sweetser served as president from May 1931 to the end of December 1932.
Appendix B .— Persons Attending the T w e n ty -fifth Convention of
the International Association of Governmental Labor Officials
U NITED STATES
A rkansas
E. I. McKinley, commissioner of labor, Little Rock.
Mrs. Roy Mitchel, department of labor, Little Rock.
Mrs. Bess Proctor, Secretary, industrial welfare commission, Little Rock.
Vic Wood, Fort Smith.
C on n ecticu t

Morgan Mooney, deputy commissioner of labor, Hartford.
D elatvare
J. M. Reese, commissioner of labor, Wilmington.
D istrict o f Colum bia
R. P. Blake, Division of Labor Standards, United States Department of Labor.
Marshal] E. Dimock, Second Assistant Secretary of Labor, United States
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19 3 9

Max D. Kossoris, Bureau of Labor Statistics, United States Department of
Labor.
Isador Lubin, Commissioner, Bureau of Labor Statistics, United States Depart­
ment of Labor.
Beatrice McConnell, Children’s Bureau, United States Department of Labor.
Marian Mel, Division of Labor Standards, United States Department of Labor.
Miss M. E. Pidgeon, Women’s Bureau, United States Department of Labor.
Charles F. Sharkey, Bureau of Labor Statistics, United States Department of
Labor.
Arthur G. Stevens, Jr., Bureau of Labor Statistics, United States Department
of Labor.
Louise Stitt, Women’s Bureau, United States Department of Labor.
Joseph M. Tone, United States Department of Labor.
Sidney W . Wilcox, Bureau of Labor Statistics, United States Department of
Labor.
F lo r id a

Leo H. Hill, industrial commission, Jacksonville.
G eo r g ia

George L. Googe, Atlanta.
J. E. B. Stewart, director, safety division, department of labor, Atlanta.
Illin o is

Martin P. Durkin, director, department of labor, Chicago.
Joseph T. Faust, chief deputy factory inspector, Chicago.
Daniel L. Goldy, executive assistant, placement bureau, Chicago.
Edmond H. Hoben, National Association of Housing Officials, Chicago.
Clyde H. McClure, department of labor, Western Springs.
Leslie C. Stokes, department of labor, Chicago.
Iow a

Frank J. Flaherty, bureau of labor, Des Moines.
Charles W . Harness, labor commissioner, Des Moines.
K a n sa s

James G. Hayes, director of research, department of labor, Topeka.
Jeff A. Robertson, commissioner of labor, Topeka.
M in n e s o ta

Lloyd Haney, labor conciliator, St. Paul.
N e w H a m p s h ir e

John S. B. Davie, commissioner of labor, Concord.
N ew Y ork

Chester H. Patton, New York.
E. B. Patton, director, division of statistics, department of labor, New York.




APPENDIX B
N o r th C arolin a

Forrest H. Shuford, commissioner of labor, Raleigh.
O k la h o m a

Beatrice Abshire, Oklahoma City.
Frances Adams, Oklahoma City.
Henry Ahrens, employment service, Pawhnska.
Joe Bailey, Ponca City.
W . T. Bailey, employment service, Chickasha.
V el via Baker, Altus.
Harry C. Ballinger, Ponca City.
Fem e Banks, Oklahoma City.
Guy C. Bartgis, Poteau.
Joyce Basinger, Muskogee.
James A. Bell, Tulsa.
Jim Bell, Henryetta.
Marguerite Bevis, Tulsa.
M. R. Black, Oklahoma City.
Okla H. Bobo, Guthrie.
Lucille Boggs, unemployment compensation, Oklahoma City.
Margery Bowyer, Tulsa.
C. L. Brain, Hugo.
Merle Brown, Oklahoma City.
G. T. Buckley, Tulsa.
Dorothy Bullard, Tulsa.
T. S. Burchard, Muskogee.
Edward G. Burke, Oklahoma City.
C. A. Buskel, Tulsa.
Hec Bussey, Shawnee.
Fred Butler, Tulsa.
Christine Cadion, Bristow.
A. K. Callahan, Tulsa.
Mr. and Mrs. Orville Calvert, Enid.
Annabell Campbell, Tulsa.
T. C. Cannon, factory and boiler inspector, Tulsa.
Louise Caudill, Oklahoma City.
Prances Chaffee, Oklahoma City.
Suanna I. Chambers, Muskogee.
Ellen Charon, Tulsa.
Bruce E. Clarke, Tulsa.
Elizabeth Colbert, Oklahoma City.
Hazel Collier, Oklahoma City.
W . F. Collins, deputy factory inspector, Tulsa,
lone M. Crabbe, Tulsa.
A. E. Craig, boiler inspector, Ardmore.
O. L. Crain, department of labor, Oklahoma City.
Victor E. Criswell, Ponca City.
Margaret Cullen, Pawhuska.
Mildred Cunningham, Oklahoma City.
J. T. Danbreun, Oklahoma City.
Ailene Dickerson, Pawhuska.




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Lucille Dixon, Tulsa.
J. S. Drennan, Oklahoma City.
John Dryden, Stillwater.
Laura Mae Du Vail, Tulsa.
Mary Dykeman, Oklahoma City.
Fred Emerson, Tulsa.
Catherine M. Estes, employment service, Oklahoma City.
James T. Evans, Oklahoma City.
Frank M. Ferguson, employment service, Lawton.
Herbert Finley, Oklahoma City.
Robert W . Ford, factory inspector, Konawa.
John T. Foster, Oklahoma City.
Lucille Foster, employment service, Oklahoma City.
J. H. Freese, Bristow.
J. W . Gallimore, Ada.
Earl Garrison, McAlester.
Stephen Gaunt, Oklahoma City.
Carolyn Golding, Oklahoma City.
Merle M. Goodell, Oklahoma City.
R. E. Goumaz, employment service, Tulsa.
Charles H. Greene, Tulsa.
Juanita Greenfield, Oklahoma City.
Leona Gustafson, Altus.
Cletus Hamilton, Oklahoma City.
Zelda Hanell, department of labor, Oklahoma City.
A. B. Harris, Okmulgee.
Ruth Harter, Enid.
Robert L. Hartman, Durante.
Jack Heath, Tulsa.
Jean Jones Henderson, Tulsa.
W . W . Hewlett, employment service, Vinita.
Mary Irene Hicks, employment service, Tulsa.
Clara Hieronymus, employment service, Tulsa.
C. H. Hinton, Bartlesville.
Willard Hornback, employment service, Muskogee.
Opal Huddleston, employment service, Oklahoma City.
Leota Huett, Enid.
Jim Hughes, assistant commissioner of labor, Oklahoma City.
Roy W . Hulsman, Bartlesville.
Lois E. Hunt, Muskogee.
Mr. and Mrs. John Hutchinson, McAlester.
Ivan Ingold, Vinita.
J. S. Jameson, employment service, Seminole.
William R. Johnson, Woodward.
Maurice C. Johnston, Oklahoma City.
E. F. Judge, Oklahoma City.
Helen Keithley, employment service, Tulsa.
Mr. and Mrs. E. G. Kelly, Miami.
Elsie Kelly, Oklahoma City.
Fred Kemp, chief factory inspector, Oklahoma City.
Virginia Kidson, Lawton.
O. L. Killie, employment service, Chickasha.
J. D. Kimberling, Muskogee.




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Guy C. Knarr, Oklahoma City.
Robert Knight, employment service, Oklahoma City.
R. H. Krogstad, department of labor, Oklahoma City.
Elizabeth Langley, employment service, Tulsa.
O. H. Lauck, deputy factory safety inspector, Tulsa.
Richard H. Lawrence, director, unemployment compensation and placement
division, department of labor, Oklahoma City.
Chloe Leonhardt, Oklahoma City.
Erma Lester, Oklahoma City.
John Looney, Lawton.
John V. McAlister, Oklahoma City.
John McCauley, Bristow.
Ruby McConnell, unemployment division, Oklahoma City.
Nelson H. McCreary, employment service, Tulsa.
Harrell McCullough, Norman.
John J. McDonnell, Tulsa.
Arvie McKemy, Oklahoma City.
Ruth B. Marbut, McAlester.
Sibyl Maricle, Oklahoma City.
A. B. Martin, deputy factory inspector, Oklahoma City.
Evelyn Maurer, Tulsa.
Burnie Merson, department of labor, Oklahoma City.
Ora Mooter, Oklahoma City.
Lowell Murphey, Durante.
W . A. Pat Murphy, commissioner of labor, Oklahoma City.
James Mussetter, Oklahoma City.
W . L. Newton, chief boiler inspector, Oklahoma City.
Thelma Orr, Oklahoma City.
Finis H. Parham, Oklahoma City.
Guy H. Parkhurst, Oklahoma City.
Mary Patton, Oklahoma City.
Frances D. Paxson, Oklahoma City.
A. O. Pence, Oklahoma City.
H. E. Pendergast, Oklahoma City.
Elizabeth Peters, Okmulgee.
Harriette Peterson, Oklahoma City.
Daisy Phillippe, Miami.
Leon C. Phillips, Governor of Oklahoma, Oklahoma City.
Don Pierce, unemployment compensation, Oklahoma City.
Mrs. Clover F. Powers, women’s factory inspector, Oklahoma City.
Martin Reffner, Tulsa.
C. E. Render, Tulsa.
Alden A. Ricketts, employment service, Muskogee.
B. Y. Ruff, employment service, Clinton.
Mr. and Mrs. M. S. Runyan, Oklahoma City.
Harry Schwartz, Tulsa.
Lynn Sells, Oklahoma City.
George Shaull, Tulsa.
Irbye Simmons, Ardmore.
A. P. Smelser, Jr., Oklahoma City.
Edwin M. Smith, Okmulgee.
Walter Smith, Tulsa.
Ella L. Snider, Bristow.




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Bob Snyder, Enid.
John A. Spalding, Enid.
Virginia Sparks, Tulsa.
Ralph Spears, Tulsa.
Bert Spivey, Oklahoma City.
Hazel Spottswood, Oklahoma City.
Ruth Springer, Oklahoma City.
Paul Stauffer, Tulsa.
George Stonum, Tulsa.
Charles Stotts, Tulsa.
R. C. Street, Tulsa.
Opal Swank, Vinita.
Thelma Swank, Okmulgee.
Carl O. Swenson, Tulsa.
E. Thayer, Muskogee.
Shirley E. Thayer, Muskogee.
Mary Thomas, employment service. Tulsa.
Vivian Thomas, Oklahoma City.
E. J. Tibbetts, El Reno.
Louise Tillinghast, employment service, Ardmore.
Earl C. Townsell, employment service, Stillwater.
Carmen Trautman, Bartlesville.
Earl Truesdell, employment service, Tulsa.
Vera Turner, Oklahoma City.
Kathryn Van Leuven, Oklahoma City.
O. A. Vinall, Tulsa.
Elizabeth Wagnon, Oklahoma City.
Johnnye Warren, Tulsa.
A. W . Watkins, employment service, Tulsa.
R. L. Webb, manager, Tulsa labor office, Tulsa.
Mary Williams, Oklahoma City.
Mildred Williams, El Reno.
R. Manning Williams, Okmulgee.
Winifred Williams, Oklahoma City.
Mac Q. Williamson, Attorney General of Oklahoma, Oklahoma City.
Lester L. Wollard, Ponca City.
Bruton Wood, Tulsa.
Granada Wood, Muskogee.
Pauline Wood, Tulsa.
Robert Wood, Ada.
O reg on

C. H. Gram, commissioner of the bureau of labor, Salem.
Mrs. C. H. Gram, Salem.
P u e r to R ic o

P. Rivera Martinez, commissioner of labor, San Juan.
T en n essee

Hammond Fowler, department of labor, Nashville.
T exas

Harry W . Acreman, Austin.
Fred W . Erhard, United States Department of Labor, Austin.




APPENDIX B
V irg in ia

Thomas B. Morton, commissioner of labor, Richmond.
W is c o n s in

Voyta Wrabetz, chairman of industrial commission, Madison.
CANADA
B r itis h

C olu m bia

Adam Bell, deputy minister of labor, Victoria.
Mrs. Adam Bell, Victoria.
Mrs. Rex Eaton, member, board of industrial relations, Victoria.
Q u eb ec

James O’Connell Maher, secretary of labor, Quebec City.
Mrs. James O’Connell Maher, Quebec City.
SW ITZE R LAN D
Carol Riegelman, Geneva.




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