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VOLUME 1

PROCEEDINGS
FEDERAL
AND

OF A

RESERVE

CHAIRMEN

AGENTS

CONFERENCE
BOARD

A N D

O F GOVERNORS

F E D E R A L

O F THE FEDERAL

WITH T H E

RESERVE

RESERVE BANKS

TREASURY BUILDING
W A S H I N G T O N , D-C.

N O V E M B E R 12-16. 1923

WALTER S . COX
SHORTHAND REPORTER
COLUMBIAN BUILDING
WASHINGTON, D . C .


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WITH T H E FEDERAL
T

COVRNORS

R

E

E

N A N D PHDERAL RESERVE
S

AGENTS

R

U

i vt

T

t e
S a
ave i e e e
O F T H E FEDERAL RESIRVS

Washington,
Londey, November 12, 1925.

The C o n f e r s n e e

Weceral

o f >

Boar

Reserve

with the

Reserve A g e n t s
t o order

kg w e s c a l l e d

i n the Federa

Bosrd Board Room, Treesury Builcing, VWeshington,
» 2 t 1 0 ofclock s , m .

o n ionday, November 2 . f o e s .

PREOENT:
Hon,

G

o

v

e

r

n

o

m

™

e f un

. Cunningham, MHe m b e r Federal E Reserve Board,

James, Member Federal Reserve Board.


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min Strong, Governor, Fec tera]
New Y o r k ,

Governor,

He

fcncher, Governor, Fecersl R
Cleveland,
George J , Seay, Governor, Federal
Richmond,
P. Wellborn, Governor,
Atlanta,
B. McDougal, Governor,

Ss, O v e r s ,

Young, Governor,

J. Bailey, Governor, Fecaerse
sas City.


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Governor, Federel Resorve B a n k o f
3an Frencisco,

Perrin, Cheirman
&
Hederal

Reserve B a n k o e

Cheirnen 2 n d e d e

Federal Reserve Bonk o f Now
Iwe

A u s t i n ,

Federsl

Agent,
Cnairmen a n d F e dcral Reserve
R Reserve
ese

Bank o f Philecelphia,

W. Hoxton, Cheirmen

es&

-srve B a n k o f Atlante,

eer ten G e

Federal Reserve
St, Louis,
Pederal Reserve Agent,

Federe 1 Reserve Bank o f Clevelend,
L. P e Talley, C h a i r m a n a n e

Federal Reserve B a n k o f D e lles,

Me Le MeGluro, Chairman and Federal Reserve Agent,
Federal Rogcrve B a n k o f Kansas Citye


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Harrison, v e p u t y G o v e r n o r ,

New York,
Governors,

4g,

wit

P

S .

Ua

Z a n

c t Gy oi

Sine

Gentlemen,
re t o congratulate t h e Governors
secomplishments

retulete you,
ever congrstulsates
ecoreal Reserve System, 3 n d I w m t t o take this
to. very thet rule.
sccom
usht a b o u t
cooperation

fast mich o f t h e critiis
sl R e s e r v e

Bosrd

snd

st t h e beginning o f
forgotten, elthough t h e y heve n o t b e e n i n meny i n s
generous snough t o commend e s yet, b u t I believe t h e


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cour

bry

iL

ha t h e e y

S, ir na e e s
hue h i s t o r y o f
bes a

n

t h oe t

i

n

i

b

CRS

@

pYenco
e r oacl
c

t

T om A

y ths

ast, e r e s u c h s s t o
anys
OLIN

J

reTRS

i n freming 6

s ta n e g A y

yrom n o w o n

g

n
year.

i

m

: Lo] h
o/caeen7
See r oa e t

a

v

e soms

solves between n o w e n d next July, s n c I hop:
of this system will g o
purpose 3 s

I do not want to make 3 spec ch t o you g entlemen,
I simply vant t o cell your
cooperstion

tis

fect t n a t

of

plece here b y ir. Snyder, o f
New York,

m d I

want t o t e l l y o u h o w ir, S n y d e r c o m e


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im N e w
Snyder's r o o m

cure
from =P. suyas

T

t was veryinteresting t o

I

s |

sting along lines o f this
cortsinly ought t o b s intoresting t o y o u Governors

to come over here t h i s morning e n d ¢scive
these charts,

e n d t h e purposes f o r vinic h

Hr, s n y c e r ?

Governor Crissinger, s n d gentlemen, I
sure y o u t h a t w e s r e v e r y a e e p l y o b l i g e d
us, t o c o m e o v e r :

the bast thing I

t o you for

s h o w y o u o u r n e w baby.

r

E

can G o will b e t o tell y o u very

t ond then, i f there a r e s n

interest, I

will b e gied t o answer then

t h e t wey t h a n
probably c o n c l u d e t h s metter m o r s q u i c k l y
|

u

v

£

in a n y o t h e r way.

a

r

e

s

f s m i l i e r with the

way i n which, f o r exanple,
al Reserve Boar
t gfo_ t h e wholesale commodities,

n

o

w

staples 1
tion o f over f o u r hundred conmodities,


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ton, wheat, copper, c o r n end s o forth t o jack knives a n d
T e k i n g a

o
u cen think of.
thimbles, e v e r y t h i n : y
like t h a t is,

i n itself, @

very

very g o o d means

but the c a s e v e r y w e l l t h a t y o u s h o u l d

weight t o ths price o f ‘ s u c h things’

example,

corn, cotton s n c other

t o the great s t a p l e 2

of v a l u e

things Arunning into the billions o f dollars.
S09 the modern indices o f price, f o r example,
: m

|

thet i s , w e jghted e c c o r d i n g t o

reletive value o f t h e totel product.

F o r exsmple, c o r n

msy r u n u p t o two s n d 2 helf billion i n value,
\.a

product m s y b e only t w o e n d e nealf million,

m i snother

s o you would

t those according t o their reletive value.
to say, y o u w o u l d simply tale
ply thet o u t b y the welght chosen.

whet w e had i n mind
was t o d o this;

w e hed verious indices o f t r a c e pr duce

tion slong various lines, b u t i n the ettempt t o cover
the whols ‘fall we h a d heretofore found i t simost impossible, o w i n g t o t h e l e c k o f m a t e r i a l

f a w h e t y o u mignt


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thet is, t h e vast volume
iL

r wWaieh, u p t o
eccurate figures
whstever.

S i n e s thet work w e s insugureted b y the

search bureau o f this Boarc,

we

ssriets f o r reteil o s well a s wholesale
mumber o f other things

A l o n g with thet

.g covelopment hes c o m s sbout. T h e r e
ry outburst o f intsrest i n
result

thst

w e neve

curious things liks, f o r exemple, l i f e inane electric power t h e t w e can put
tnet w e have.

l,wes t o try

s e m p l i n g trom

industry i n the country.

O f seur

astronomical knowledge,
it w o u l d m

s é6xchanged.

“ ©
the

ave a very goor.

ot n e w Y o r k
bank ‘oledrings outside fin provious Jeys, but of course

u p snd dow,
the moment your price levels begin t o swing
idea o f

j
years, a1li/ rele tive
ss they have i n the lest s i x o r sicnt


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me o f quentitys. cdisaypsars

I

f your pritss level

values e r e going t o double e n d your
wikl couble, w i t h n o particuler
cusntity o f goods o n d services ¢exproblem was h o w totake t h e cotual

Goller volves i n which many o f these items sre expressed,
end c o m p a r e t h o s e w i t h t h s p u r e l y q u a n t i t a t i v e f i g u r e s

thet w e heve i n other l i m s .

finc a good index that would :

a t e

in the cost end price levels anc 4
by t h e t index, e n d e

a

a

}
wnet ¥
Very roughly s n d briefly,

p

was t o t r y t o
i

t h e change

1 9 the sctuel figures

perfect e x e m p l e o f s u c h a n i n d s x i s

%
buildins p e r m i t s , f o r b u i l d i n g c o n s truction,.

R A L

slues, e n d vith thege
from @ll over t h e country

very good figures e s t o veges e n c building material prices,
a Gombining those i n the roportions e t which they go,
on t h e sverage, i n t o t h e sverage builcing, a b o u t 5 5 t o 45,
we have s very good i n g e x of builcing costs. A n d w e
can t a k e t h e dollar v a l u : s

reported e a c h m o n t h f o r

srest cities e n d get out o f thet what y o u
might cell 2 volumetric o r guantitative incex;


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something t h a t would relate t o the
so forth.
the next problem w a s t o take e l l this hetsrothet w e had s n d weignt i t
exactly a s

t h e price. i n a i c

_Jhere w e had t o haves recourss,

a r s weicshted up,

i n t h e seme wey, t o

the dollar vslues, s a d while there w a s some little dirri-

culty i n thet, nevertheless

w e seem t o have satisfied

number o f those w h o h a g o n e over i t pretty carefully,
thet t h e weishtings t h a t w e have used e r e feirly logical,
me r e s t o f

e S B ! 1

n

large
st s/nunber o f items l i k e :

5

thet. w a e r s y o u

velg g

becomes

less important.
wholesale A n d i c s s
or T a s

o f t h e Bureau

cimpls a r i t h m e t i c a l z v e r a g e o f t h e f o u r h u n d r e d

very m i c h f r o m t h e w e l ”

cancel o u t 3 1 1 o f t h e little eccentricitiss.
same w a y h e r e ( i n c i c a t i n g ) , e l t h o u g h

w e have

weicated index according
arithmetic sverseg n i g : s w i n g l i t t l e more widely,
but w e woulc have t h e sans

g e

0 } jie

1 6 wouldn't m a k e

aan /
e e :

e e

b

e |

mueh difference. /

R

P

i

o

a

Novertheless,

n

, j

~

~

w e have spent weeks cond

4

weeks, literally, o v e r t h e p r o b l e m f
o how t o weight these
up, P l a c i n g t h e m o n o a g a i n s t a n o t h e r

and compared.

t o s e e h o w t h e y tallied

F o r cxauample, t a k e merchandise carloudings,

for which w e have, o f coursc, t h e numbers o f cars.

T h a t

compares p r o t t y w e l l w i t h t h e l i n o o f W h o l e s a l e t r a d e .

O

f

course there m a y b e differences, b u t i n the long r a n they

run pretty well together (indicating).

A n d s o we have

gone over it, i t e m b y item, checking e v e r y one t o got a
eonsistont a n d sesmingly logical line, a t Least.

W e have

tricd v e r y roughly t o group u p all these different series,
in f i v e g e n e r a l d i v i s i o n s .

First o f all, w e have t h e general productive group,
which includes, r a t h e r a r b i t r a r i l y , t u i l d i n g permits,

and

motor G a r s , a n d h a v e c h e c k e d t h a t b y a n i n d e x o f e m p l o y m e n t

in factories (indicating);

w é have given primary distribu-

tion figures, i m p o r t s a n d exports, w h o l c s a l e t r a d e a n d s o on,

and then distribution t o the conswmer, w h i c h i s very largely

retail trade (indicating o n chart ).

I n that we have

included t h e very small weights o f life insurance, amounts
spent o n amusements,


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esiven t h a t s n i n c e x (incdicsting)

e n d then w e

index o f general business ectivity,

which

are n o t s o valusble e s a source o f informetion
various other small items, l i k e postal r e s

we finally insexec the

power, s n d so forth, i
representing a c t i v i t y

iss;
i n speculation, °

ing
so forth,

T h i s group/is very rough s n d i s not int ended

to b e anything more t h a n thet.

B u t you ¥ i

ibs Meo

lines r u n alweys almost/strictly c o m s rs

anc combining all of these i s 3

black line of

cell t h e volume o f trade, w h i c h

i s an imex o f b u

activity,
Precisely

proposition.

l s t u s take t h e physician w h o

he puts his hend upon his petient's
her t o e r e

i s fever t h e r e

gree o f

thermometer, which will securately register
ture, a n d that elone will tell h i m 1she ther
soing u p o r g o i n g down,

ow

s n d w h e n i t reaches

end i t will also t e l l him, i n cases l i k e typhoi-,


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hermomets

every f o r m o r

n

are trying t o get

o

m

e

Now, f o r purposes o f compsrison,

t

e

r o f businsss.

w e heave p u t o n this

chart t w o other lire s, ons represe:ting t h e group o f

b any
totel procuctive sctivity, 20¢, test ° there s h o u l c e
line

contusion, that/involves various things, consumers!
sers' goods, motor cers, building permits---

oe,

of factory procauction,
index o f e l l kinds o f productive sctivitys, B u t
a)
compare with the green line,

the line does h o t
which i s mainly reteil r

Cistribution <irect t o

the consumer;
shoulé n o t b e compsred
comperison.

I f w e wish t o

with

the green line, w e shoulda

consumers! goods, that i s to

into consumption.

T

o cut i t short, t n e only other

y o u will
line w e heve shown there i s t h e yellow line thet


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ry fsintly running i n e n d out o f t h e white.
mnough those h e d b e s

i n e D U G Eogetner.
|
in'sx o f b a n k < e b i t s

end s o on, e n d w e heve ensl
Leo

ems oypen pues ee

ifty p e r c e n t higher,

o n the

2 IniGln- by.bhe
yellow line,
ourselves

t o s¢eé

our bleck l i z , v o l u m e o f business.
we could have corrected s little

cating) w e should heve hac s n
and w e c o u l d h a v e leicd i t
we c o u l d o n l y csuess &
take t h e t c l o s e n e s s

t h e , weights.

e a r e goings t o

o f fit e n d c a r r y b a c k t h e l i n e f o r

forty years i n bank cleariigs,

S o a s t o get a n inuex snd.

messure o f business, s a y from 1
that swing, . : I

W

can tell y o u


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extreorcinery t h i n s

t

1 s

h

e bank

73 know, i : just about t i
limit ebove s n d below t h e normsl line.
Now, i f I could just s a y one thing sbout thet ssered

wore. “normvsl", - It means nothing more then whet is
ususlly mesnt b y t h e expression.
gaman who, y o u think,

F o r exsmpls, y o u s s e

i s about f o r t y yeers old?

Because the sverege msn of forty looks about that ose,
You take s horse a n d open his mouth s n d

look e t his teeth and say he i s sbout s o old,
4s about t h e normal thing, t h e t a t zbout
his teeth would l o o k about t h e t way.
thet toes. o f foe we boy. 2

n g everything,

curious little example o f 1

Y o u
o n d here

of

e

foilures f o r s number o f years t o the number o f
in businsss---

Do you mesn bank failures?
lim. SHyoer: :
Mis i s s h o w n f o r a

S o r e s R i g s } T i s n k you, u r . Jay.
psriod

o f 8s :

H

e

r

e is.one

cent
per Y o r seach year t h r o u g h o u t t h i s p e r t o d o f s i x t y years.

£

Now, 3y o u w o u l d t h i n k t h e t t h e t w o s f i t t e d t o r t h a t s i o n s

Fd

e s ons
ge; b u t w e have t s k e n t h a t
thet t h e t w e s t h e sverage;

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hundred, a n d while actually i t i s nothing o f t h e sort,
we s i m p l y t o o k o n e p e r c e n t a n d c o m p l e t e d t h e t h i n g u p
and down, b e c a u s e t h e l i n e r u n g f r o m o n e p e r c e n t d o w n t o
about o n e h a l f p e r cent, a n d t h a t i s a n actual r e c o r d o f

the percentage o f firms failing

i n business f r o m year t o

year throughout half a century o r more.

i t l a a very

interesting little b i t o f psychology, b u t that i s a normal
facte- T h a t i s something where y o u simply swing about
an average p e r c e n t a g e .

Now, w h e n w e come t o such things a s production, a n d
so forth,

w e are u p against ahother thing, a n d that i s

the i t e m o f growthe
example,

T h a t i s perfectly illustrated, f o r

i n coal production.

T h e country's population

has g r o w n a b o u t t w o p e r c e n t a

year, f o r say, t h e l a s t

twenty years, a n d the growth o f coal production h a d gone
on i n t h e s a m e w a y a s t h e i n c r e a s e o f population.

S o we

f population a n d t h e line
simply t a k e t h a t l i n e o f g r o w t h o

of growth o f production a n d strike a n average through them,
ropresented b y that smooth line a n d s a y that that i s a
normal rate o f growth.

I t means nothing m r e ;

i t is

just t h e a b s o l u t e f a c t , t h a t t h e p o p u l a t i o n h a s g r o w n
for t h i r t y o r f o r t y y e a r s a t a b o u t t w o p e r c e n t p e r annum,


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more i n the beginning o n d 9 little less i n leter
you g e t 3 slowly curving line, 2

cimin-

w h e n you

nhed rate o f srowth. ( I n c i c a t i n g o n chart)

the cosl production, t h a t hss grown much more rapidly
here also
i
t rote
cherecter:sc
get/s
you
the populetion, o n d
srowth,

#

t o tasks l o n g

2 R a v e f o n e i s simply

cevisations,

in other words,

i

t hé

s9

slow curves.

‘~Tast we do when w e heve g o t s good fit, i s simply t o take
the ccviations from thst line # t eny siven point end w e
cell thet 6 hundred (iniicating

s n a -: t a k e t h e percent-

a0 .Of teen e e c n e t
In other words, supsose y o u h e d a cosl production o f
, tour hundred million tons 9 s t h e exnected thing f o

s o thet w e would

fown t o three hundred million,

procuction f o r the yesr w e s seventy-five p e r
nected normsl rate o f srowth.

o:
items h a s h a d i t s c h a r e c t e r i s t i c r e t e

eg closely s s w e c a n get it.

F o r esch year


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month t h e e x p e c t e a n o r m e l h e s b e e n t e k e n s t 9

hundred e n d

fect compsred vith thet, wnethser i t i s
seve

a

g

o

r a

hundreé o n d fifty o r s o m e o t h e r percesnt-

of these things h a v e given u s 8 grest czal
trouble.

Dr. Stewart knows v e r y vell h o w difficult.it would

bs, f o r exemple, t o get s t the cherscteris
“rowta far motor cers.

r e t e of

v e have fisures o n motor c a r

»rocuctiona r u n n i n g b a c k t w e n t y ysars,

e n d i f w e take a

ion
rate
charscteristic/up t o last year, w e would f i n d thet Product/
been growing e t 2 certain rate, s n d when w e teke that
8g normal w e fine thet this year i t hes been running
forty o r fifty p e r c e n t above a n y possible normsl a s comperea with a n y p w evious ysoar.

o f course, t n e t must b e

wrong, e n d i t i s very troublesome.
So w e have combined 2 l l o f thess Jifrerent things

into this sversge weigited line.

N o w , a s you sse (indi-

cating) t h e curious t h i n g w e s t h a t thse pcsk o f business
as w e heve meassurea i t
prices reachec their top,
4: the lest half o f 1919.
messurec

i t correctly,

b u s i - es Was going


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so ing u p s t e n elmost unprscs snted rate

Another thing thet i s very striking i s thst this
spove a n d below j u s t sbout t h e
mentioned
navy, c n a t h a t s e m s

sné Sownness runs through bank clssarings back
-5 69n troece them: T h e r e f o r e ,

w e think thet this

roolly répresents somewhsore nesr thet normel l i n e

growth sbout which things fluctuete,.
Now, s s you will see, i f you Will compsre t h e red
vith t h e bleck line o r t h e green line, procuctive

.:

e

l

s

e

, ;

ectivity, includins building s n a overything# ves running
very, v o r y high,

N o w , i f w e hed taken t h s cnart, e s

=
cid slong i n here, e n d hed ssen n o v it wes going w e

fsel, 3 s though there must b e

something wrong with it, T h e t i s t o sey, i t went “fluey”™
when i t g o t u p there;

b u t i t nes c o m e

s c k In. culte- e n

sinezing wey, a s y o u s e e .

month o f August; S e p t e m b e r w i l l crop just uncer t h e line
October I

think vill b e sbout t n e

November.
In other words, business seems t o b e running n o w
very close t o normal; b u i l c i c e i s SELLE. very neevy,;


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thet Line ap;
y neetybeck t o t h e line, s s you

ceting). I

heve tried t o b

there a r e a n y questions t h e t snyone vishes t o ask,”
be very glea t o snswer them.

any:

U e G I O N a, 2 T

a

Will hesr or. S t e w
Austin:

v

e anythine

t o ask,

C H L S .

H e v e y o u mace a n y c o m p a r i s o n w i t h t h e
n connection w i t h t h e s e f l u c t u a t i o n s ?

ip, Snycer: I

will l e t Governor Crissinger 3 1

Governor Crissinger;

N o , don't put i t on me.

Un, Snyaers G o v e r n o r Crissinger e n d ir. C a s
2 discussion o v e r t h e t b l a c k l i n e

m d Governor

see why w e couldn't make that
messure

o f credit.
with s o m e astonish-

ment

is &

e r s j

distribution

t o t h e consumer,

consicsring what wwwe know o f t h e actual volume o f distribution 2 9 messured b y such things e s car loadinss.

E e

understood y o u , t h e g r e e n l i n e i s mace i n c o m p e r i s o n w i t h


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what y o u w o u l d h s v s e x p e c t e d

t o b e distributed;

variations f r o m

snyder: E x e c t l y , / t n e normsl rate o f growth i n
Svexry o n e o f t h o s e items,

es, chain s

a

one o f t h o s e t h e r e i s s

F o r example,

n

w e have cepart-

d those things,

charecteristic r a t e o f srowth,

Ie took t h e expsetsncy f o r each o n e t o get t h e incex
fi mires,
Governor Seay:

S o thet t h e actusl distribution t o

the consumer, notwithstanding i t hss reached the maximum
not t h e correct thing

g a r d , b u t w e should

Cistribution i n compsrison with »
egerad
on)

w e think ought

Is thet t h e
ig a normal rate o f growth o f
department s t o r e seles,

gececording t o t h e figures t h a t have

.

right, t h e n ;

s n d i f w e can get that curve

peen running f o r t h e lest s i x o r sight ysars o r more,
at, w h e t -

afi poscible w e get, /

the Cigtribution o f cepsrtment

store seles ought t o b e for this year, w h i c h would b e s o

much; n o w ,

v

e compsre that figure of"ought t o be”

with w h a t a c t u s l l y h e s heppened.
x

W

e simply t e e

the

normal expectancy s n d compare thet with the reality,


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enificance o f the yellow
21 being s o far above t h ? produe-

Sor exemple,
(indiesting) y o u will remember, w e s
“OWN.

T h e l i n e o f p r o ucer:' g o o d s ( i n j i c e t i n g )

production o f fsctoriss,

little higher.

Wevy
Wo Y

o r sctual

mines e n d s o forth runs quite 4

T h i s line c

ent forms, ¢ n d y o u ought t o consice

b u i l d i n g per-

sna all o f that, i n thet connections s n c combining
ell, i t forms s
tir, W i l l s :

very small pert o f bank

t T s u ' t it. o e s e d s e 4 { t u s t i o n when.

*
pi Say

S e

the red

45 under t h e yellow line, instead o f t h e yollow
line?

I never thought o f thet, b u t I should

9 Cowbinetion o f s l l o f


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ways r u n elons hend i n hend;
tie o b n e

ery n o t i c e a b l e t h e t

F

production gencrelly
OF swings v e r y wide )

trede n o t quite s o wide, s n d your retail

In other words, t n e consumer i s buying
goods slong pretty stesdily y e a r i n e n c yesr out, without
very fiuch' change,
ir, Snyder:

w

o

u

l

d like t o ssy t h e l l w e

these b i g wics swings,

s o to

argely t h e c i t y treds, outside o f seersetores s n d t h e mail ord-r stores s n d ' the. l i k e
the country trade w e csnnot g e t 2 good messure o f
except t h r o u g h t h e Atlentic &

things o f thet kind.

Pacific s t o r s s a n d s o m e
4.

“ h e t I mean is, here i s this enor-

mous p e r t o f t h e populstion, professional, “omesti

G o v e

ernment service, s n d other classes i. t h e small industries o f every kind t h e t 2

“ o i n g “ w i t h very much

less varistion, s o that i f I " .

put

L t t o ssy how much

the volume o f trade o f the country varied, I

wouldn't

think t h e t i t v e r i e d o v e r t e n p s r c e n t s b o v e n o r m a l

to


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ten per cent below, e n d taking
g y i .

f a r m populstion e n d

S e y thirty; c o r e y o P F i t t y p e r c e n t - o f

the

popule tion, e n d I would s ¢ j o u l a n ' t b e more t h a n five
per cent ebove, c n c maybs
below.
kr. J a y s

Y o u think

then s n ectuel line?
iY, snyecers 2

s h e outside limita o

verietion.
De segs

T h e conclusion I

had srrived

the cistribution o f goods glready menufecturec, s n d
consumption o f gooas w e s s t L i t t l e ’ ere:
the present productive ectivity.

t

h

e

n

I s thet conclusion t o

be d r e w n f r o m y o u r r e n e r k s ?
ITshoulc s a y sppzerently i t w e s j u s t

the reverse, beceuse i t i s very remerksble thst while thet
line i n c l u c e s b u i l d i n g ectivitiess,

s n d whet w e call pure

chaser goods 3 n d ordinery consumption o f goods,
line f o r purchase o f good i n c l u d i n g p i g i r o
meinly-—
thet sort o f stuff t h e t soes into menufseturing

both of those (indicating) mede s
period there, b u t came d o m v e r y rapidly ( i


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chart).
Governor sesy: N o t w i t n s t e n d i c

thet i s <

fallacious c o n c l u s i o n ?

I did not get you rigzat t h e first
time, then,

the

tir, Snydasr:

Governor 5esy:

T o e chart came down, b u t 2 %
T h i e t i s t h e point I

e m trying

o l s o maas 8
©
Bank clesrings

very Con-

cistribution c o m e 2 o m ?

w h b h would s e e m
‘erable C r o p there, y o u s e s (inJicating),
to b e a r o u t t h e t i c e a .

Governor Norris: I

would l i k e t o s k t h i s q u e s t i o n :

1
w a e n t thine Ther all o s
poe B o |
Do IT undirstand y o u correctly

q u e n t i t a t i v e u p s and.
the u p s a n c d o w n s r e p r e s e n t n o t

Gowns, b u t variations f r o m the expectsncy?


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ie. “nyaer: E x a c t l y , percentages.
Governor Norris:

N o w , take the

tribution t o the consumer, c n d thet repressWNW
the inscription o n t h e left, 2 5 per c e n t o f t h e volume o f
trade;

t s k i n g t n s eg

2 s n d - 2 0

n

o f the 26 A s nec

Governor Norris:

D

é

e slone, w i t h

L j

f F the f o u r i t e m s

i n the

o those f o u r items make u p

Mr. cnyder:

Governor Norris:

N o w , that bein t h e fact, hesn't

there b e e n i n t h e l e s t fives y s a r s a

very considerable

growth i n the business o f t h e depsrtment e n d chain stores
and mail order hours e t the expense o f t h e neighborhood

store, s o that isn't i t possible that distribution t o
the consumer i s really shown there highsr t h e n
to b e becsuse there h a s been 8 growth i n those
to which y o u give eighty p e r c e n t value, s n d s


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o d t o .¢91 with hjust thet prob-

LLbo

storas

d o g r o w v e r y fsst,.

compute :

the srowth thers,

to +

we took the devistions from that normel rate of ~rowth.--

I do not know how good 8 sampling thst is of ell the
stores

i n t h e countrve--

that factor of which you Spe:

b u t w e have elimin-

i d e a that the

“enertment stores hsve b e e n growing more rapidly t h e n

retell trede, s n d sll w e have dons i s t o take th: swings
up s n d com, s b o v e s n d below t h a t n o m e l r e t e o f growth,
go t h a t w e h e v e s l l o w s d f o r t h a t s r o w t h o f w h i c h y o u

speak.

Governor Crissinger:

H o w d o you ac@unt for the up-

shoot now i n the consumers! lines?
Lire Snyder:
msil o r c e r houses,

I T think o n s o f t h e things w a s t h e
t h e f a r m e r s buying, 3m5 e k i n g t h e c o m e - u

?

quite remarkeble (indicating);

b u t for the re

ups enc downs, Governor, t h e y run very evenly.,
just o n e m o r e p o i n t i n t h e t u a estion o f srowth,

e r e
I

n our

chain stores w e have something l i k e 15,000 small stores

represented, which i s a pretty good sampling, s n d

Ts


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right through t h e
.oLlborm:

was goins a
co y o u a c c o u n t f o r
my o w n m i n d w o u l d w o r k i n t a i s

t

direction, t h e t w e w e

i

e e phsnothenal

m

in b e n k ersdits, s o m e t h i n g q u i t e u n p r e c e d e n t e d
in

d:eline i n ths sctusl volume o f
not d o snythins else but shoot up.
i t 2 fage thet t h e beutk

tsn't

Jed more i n t h e early part o f 1920 t h a n t h e y

Tae yellow

it is benk debits,
e

Goce

t h e benk clcarings tact
;

e PUREE :

t

e f l e e

net chow benk crecltcy

*

h e v e n t that o n the chart.

You n a v e t a k e n t a e

Txactly.
gs
Heve
y o u shown

eredit o n t h e c h a r t ?
ie

Saye:

N o .

c

o

n

t

e

n

t t o try


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“nen

w e feel that

w e a r e g oO
ete

nd, w i t h P r o f e s s o r S t e w e r t ' s e p p r o v e l ,
end m a k e d e d u c t i o n s .
Y o u compere

T meonh i n t h e pest.
ou tsia”

serve bank, how compsres with the red line, f o r instance,
st t h e u s e

o f credi
T O R .

unless y o u c o u l d t h i n k o 3

Wi toelit 2. <ulip i n t a e t o tel
ampls, B u t y o u know t h s t w e

dous jump i n ceposits o f between,four snd five bilVery.

a c a .

o t

BOT i
=
e x p e n s which sss

to

thee t s offset.

curtiss:

I n other

right slong,

y o u think?
e

O d ,

i } as i e

lL n o w h e a r f r o m ir.
Stewart.


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5
number o f skepticisms

vnich c o not, nows

p r e v e n t m e f r o m admiring t h e
i n the

copsble p i e c e o f w o r k S o n e b y m y c o l l e a g u e s

York Benk, e n d the ingenuity t h e y heve shown i n mesting
2 end statistical problems t h e y a r e confron tal
technic 1

I would like,
moment 2 2 0

g

e m y answer t o the cuestion

v

s

t

i

o

n between t h e lines
Fi

@oing UD.

tecennicsl

B a
corrections

t o b

correction for seasonel fluctuations, o O
ieice o u t o f

for t h e volume o

final ins:

purpose o f e l l o f that

the physicel

w

h

i

c

h “o&$s

the price i n f l u e n c e

Tf you heve 9° per

w h i c h your prices

pric
roeoidly » and you meke 4 correction f o r


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ea
you t u r n y o u r othsér c u r v e s

O n e reason t h e

c o wnwerd.

peak c o m s s e t t h e t t i v e i s t h e t p r i c e aw
commwerd

e

r

e

edvencing

c u r v e s
t tas tine

correction,

I

fea Sayer:

f w e could g e t s t t h e sverage sales,

thet w o u l d e n s w e r y o u r
Y e s . T

lir, Stewart:
sdOUs: LC.

do not care t o g o into detail

T h e correction h e s b e e n mads for retail

stores, ® correction b y the cost o f living--- t h e cost
of living, o f courss, includes rents e n d the cost o f
rood,

D e p a r t m e n t s t o r e ssles

toed.

W h i l e ~

aveilesble, I

G o m o b tociude: r e n t o r

think t h e t i s t h e e r y b e s t c o r r e c t i o n

do not think i t i s ¢ satisfectory correction ,

m u c h more
becsuseé y o u r H e k a 4 t d o s t o f l i v i n g i s s d v a n c i n g

repidly t h e n t h e price o f soods t h e t dspsrbtment storss
are selling,

t

Wwarc CUrh: Sb. t e t

h

CLO Wh=

e conse quence i s thst y o u get >
cine,

Governor Crissingsr

Y o u s a y Department stores d o

not include a n y f o o d ?

Lit. Sthwart:

T t includes food, but i t doesn't i n

elude a s m u c h f o o d 3 s t h e c o s t o f
for,

i a d

o s e i

c
wo


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Koya
I hesitate t o g o into t h e other t w o corrsctions,
for instence, t h e correction f o r price, w h i c h I think
Will b e necessary f o r t h e purpose,

but I

hsven

cient statistical data i n proper shape t o make
rection.
esitete v e r y much t o scespt s s a basis e

computed

volume rather t h e n sore yeer o f actual performence,

u e

computed volume, y o u e r e un-sr

you take a g 29 b s a

necessity o f t e l l i n g t h e business c o m m u n i t y w h s t t h e e x -

you a r e compsring t h e present position
to b e expected.
course,

n e t i s very m u c h t o b e

b y the business community, b u t w e

stetisticel information t o d o it.
motter o f policy, v h e t h e r

k d

b =
it woulde

uise

thing f o r t h e Fecsral reserve system t o put iteself i n
@ position w i t h t h e business conmunity o f telling
i n © fsvorable w a y o r mot;

ther i t was proceedings

simply haven't sot the information t o c o thet.
There

are one

o r t w o comueants

o n

in deportment store seles, weignt
the N e w York District i n this chort.
s

f

o

r nine districts, e n d I


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would be. b s
the F e d - r a l r e s e r v e « districts.

with regard t o wholssale t r
WN a c y

NSOw

Y o r k

heevil

cistric

gccition t o New York

5bate,

es o f I l l i n o

L e b o r msterisal f o r

Linassschusstts,

the U n i t e d S t e t e s B u i

end t h s e i n f o r m e t i o n

i n t h s Third.

oserve District collected f o r t h e chart gives a
result w o t e r E

thenk 1 s

rotnosr i n t e r e s

ing

i n comparison

te cause i t covers

result thet s i r e

down.

the

snd

a cifferpoint i r o m his

k (incdicating)
a e p

46. simply t h e number
in comparing
thet

w e heve included

these

jn o u r e m p l o y m s


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santed i n o u r s o - c s l l e d
4

eck u p o n thet.

with t h e employment index, w i t h t h e

treae

information w e need, without attempting, i
which tekes o n t h e charscter o f 8

Will heve ell thet w e need without the
The difficulty sbout putting i t
thet o n e hes t o dstermine this b y seasons,
metter o f

sch of those i s 3/reletive importence.
metter o f jucgment,

w e know t h a t

in judgment,
statisticelly 3 n d combining

them; w W e e

s i v e a single

you give i t publicity, you p s

x

, a n d certe

L S business

y tth ait n
u m
are
you
smount o f relative importsncs undvr e l l circumstonces.
The t w o points,

i n k ,

o f greatest interest i n


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this curve a r e this point e n d this o n e (indicating},
and t h e question asked e s t o t h e relation o f the green

curve t o the black, i s probably answered b y ir. Snyder i n
ssying that t h e t w o a r e n o t strictly comparable,

I think that would not b e sufficient answer t o the
laymen w h o followed o u r deductions; I

think h e would

feel all curing this period that the chart indicated
thet production was not procseding a t a rate which led
to eny accumulation o f stocks, becouse i t suggests that
consumption i s moving a t a pace more rapid than production; b u t we know from subsequent experience that stocks
iid sccunulate.

H e r e just t h e reverse i s incicated,

that consumption i s not proceeding e s rspidly e s production. I

think there i g 2 considerable amount o f doubt

on t h e p o i n t ¢ s t o thether

o r not consumption h a s n o t

rate e s repic e s production.

3s inelugzed i n this curve (incicatthis ons, a n d t h e t r e q u i r e s e x p l a n a -

From the stendpoint o f public policy o f t h e
benks

w e have c e n t e r e d o u r attention o n this question o f

stock scecumuletion. “ u y h e s i t e n c y runs back finally
ss t o thet ir. inyder h a s said, m o r e t h e n anything else,


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to this metter o f the computed normal.

I t puts t h e

Federal Resarve System
anc. I think w e ere n o t i n 9 position where w e c a n teke

5 position o f furnishing officiel forecasts.
Governor Strong:
cesting whet w e c o
meke s change o f rats

I think, s c @ metter o f judgment e n a
3

naviteble, b u t I

6 2 metter o f pub-

Governor strong:

is regarded always a s
In our publications w e fsel
strongly t h a t w e ought n o t t o make forscasts 9 s
of c o m m e n

B e a t e g e S T t

we f u r n i s h s

forscast

wi \

e b y t h e methocs

m

ommenting

Governor strong :
not follow y o u o n tn!

u

t whe

w e employ

o n it.

f r a y f r o m this c e r t

ena e s regsrds w h a t §
him, Stswart:

l i r e Snyder sugsests t h a t h e

e n d thet h e
roe
when this line (indicating) w a s high,


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oT

tion when this came back,
it t o come beck,

ever 1 t sot a 6

thee

he e x p e 1

it would return,

ena w h e n i t c o t b e l o w t h e l i n e h e w o u l d

It is m o r e difficult t o make a
periog o f f i v e y e a r s t h a n o v e r 8
years,

period

s o t h e t consumers! g o o d s , t h a t i s , t h s

tion of consumers! goodg+-- you havs a n attsmpt t o
8 nomncl over = perticulsrly sbnormsl period,

Vowulen!t t h e efficiency o f lebor have
some bearing o n the chenges

Lire Stewart:
im,

G uS

i n the curve o f employment?

Y o s , i t would.
T a t would flatten i t out?
Xen
“hy w e s i t thst y o u put i n your figures

sunt stores the wholesale trade?
Simply t h e t we w o u l d e
b aealingae) more

right there, t h s t w e mign
country,

w e thought w e would keep 3 little nearer t o home,


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reviearkeable h o w t h e r i c u r e s

York State, smployment s n d
sre a v a i l a b l e f o r t h e

employment h e s
e heave c o m p s r e d

W

the s a m e w o y s l l t h e w e y through.

s, o n d while i b m e y b s thet seles f o r the country,
retail,

would b
e s o surpr n g l y differen
ere t h i s :

n

chsin store.

e

d that.

i

do not think t h e y

I

«“ifi r

b ¢ e
w o u l de

y reasons f o r that

u

w e have

o f tais

i s the

T h a t includes 8,000 Atlantic a n d Peciric

stores which ere, s s you know, located i n sll the little
villsges

i n t h e country.

purpose, t h e i r o m v e i g 1
hod 9

semling

T h e y h e v e c i v e n us, f o r t h i s

incex

i

o f their ectusl

r 9 3 a l sales,
sal

s

price f r o m week t o week e n d month t o month,

n svere

s o we

felt s s though t h e t index wes t h e b e s t incex t h e t w e h a w

go% of the retail

e s , s n d the interesting thing i s

thet that incex fluctuates more widely t h e n cither o f
the other two, “cpartment
In other words, w é heve 5

rlé

l i n e f o r the retail

distribution i n department stores e n e

s i n stores t h a n


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do n o t K n o w p o s i t i v e l y t h e t t h a t

certsin emount o f conpretty sooc.
the country’s
a

I s m quite i n sympethy w i t h Professor Stewert's

criticism i n general, o n the question o f allowm ces for
4

price changes,

culty;

e n d t h a t i s p r e t t y n e a r l y t h e whole diffi-

t h e rest could hev

very eesily.

W

s e n done very guickly a n d

e heve l i t e r e l l y s p e n t m o n t h s c n d months

over j u s t t h o s e things, g o i n g o v e r t h e m i t e m b y item,

ond while thisis offered simply e s @
C

to’ b e

h

m

c

h

s n e w informetion

d o u t pretty well a s

e

comes i t

first spproxts

we g o through it.
As t o t h e line o f computed nomsel,

e s compared with

a single year, there i s m

such thing 9 s normol prices,

or n o r m e l s r o w t h o f prices;

3

sometimes

w e must t e k e s

certsin basis;

w e t a k e a n a v e r a g e o f t e n years, s o m e t i m e s

we

take, 28 the Buresu of Lebor does, the year 1925, which
was the yeer just before t h e v s

w h i c h was 2 normal

year i n 29 grest meny ways, end thet wes 6 very god
basis.

B u t now t h e extent t o which cosl wes produced


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2 snd 1923, t e n years sfterwards, gives,r i e pee
itself, v e r y little clue, s n d whether t h e cosl production
cent above o r below what
of t h e country,

i t sives n o i d e a wistever,
normel

you u t i l i z e t h e t b a s i s o f c o m p u t i n g 3

rote o f srowth, y o u haven't the remotest idea.
Pro-

way with ¢verything e l s e i n the w a y o f production.
duction i s 3 stesdily growing thing.
Now, 3 S 8 Mm:
have those i t ems

yea

w

e ha >

t

e

w h i l e i t i s true
compsrable

r e thet s m 7

3 a

Pigieas f o r 2 wery tere?

twenty back
of those r u n n i n g e l l t h e w a y f r o m f i f t e e n o r

Coal production w e heve only
ter o f fact,

a

n g e t thet

the same w i t h p i g iron.
sid you g o beck i n t h e dist- { b u t i o n

in

t o consumera?

o n yOer:

T h o s e a r e precisely t h e t

from t h e Fed 1

reserve benks»s

racent deta, o n d thet i s where
from year t o year t o see
thing thet would b e a :

h a t you

Y l e heve o n l y

t r r e c t i o n must b e
L

1 1t
f

i

y notion i s the
t h o s e figures---


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for instance,

h e r e t h e pric

they go cown violently; t h e n
gle--- end to utilize thet w r
s way that you could g e t 3

very small curve, seems t o me t o b e
that curve i s sporoxinetely correct.

L f

you gst
give y o u n c e , s m o o t h curve, j u s t like
r populetion,

o

the crop procuction,
an w e woulé think there w a s

net would b e m y enswer o n thet point.
Governor scay: a

Stewart called ettention to, o f
the velues o f these seperate
in t h e neture o f = composite

reg ntiy, &
dooumcns

from:

3

sceononmrc
: o n s o f t h e most prominent

bureaus i n the country, i n © !
in t h e nature o f a n spology

p r e s e u t e d somethirg

c o n c l u s i o n s which

they hsc reeched
not sventuats,

slso t h i n k t h a t n e i s


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thet i t i s 6 metter o f j u
@éstermine

t h e reletive

woulc n o t mske
o t h e line,
in t h e s l o p e f

Governor Seay:

I t i s = notorious f e e t thet tiat

bureau, w h i c h I say i s one o f t h e most prominent i n the
country,

i n attempting t o put thoss things together a n d

s forecast, m a d ? @

slip-up.

That kind o f things w e r e they?
Governor Seay: S o m e r h a t o f t h e same character, I
should say.
tits. Snyder:
that.

I T would like t o take exception t o

T h a t w e are trying t o ée91l with a r e facts.

is n o guesswork a b o u t it, n o r
bitsimply a

statisticel fect.

a certein rate.

I

t was greate n

1900 t h a n i t hes b e e n since,

weignt ar o r

Y o u r populs tion

s ba

so W

the psriod beck o f
t h e r e 8 constent

steadily diminishing rate.

This

metter i s not a matter o f judgment a n d forecasting.
is s i m p l y a

I t

statistical a v e r e g e , o b t a i n e d mathnemetiscally,

sfx
and the only judgment used about i t is simply i n tssting


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out t h e verious i t e m s a s t o h o w t h e y compare,

they s r e consistent u n i t s : o t h e r .

C h e t

v

t o sse i f

e

S

axsrcised t i e r e t h a n

S

Governor Crissinger:
tha; c o n c l u d e s

o

a n y t h i n g further‘

t h e ciscussi W

i r s certsain-

ition t o kr. S n y d
his t a l k o n t h e s e charts.

T

t hes b e e n

and LT hope i t will
rmen, 9 t least,

t o get an e n e s

by which

of their problems.
Now, I

think t h i s c o n f s r e n c s h e s b e é n p r o p e r l y

two bodies, t h e Governors a n d
Chairmen, h a v e their respective programs t o take up, a n d
we Will n o w leave t h e m t
o cormence t h e solution o f their
=

indivicusl problems.

T

h

e Chairmen

office, rignt across the h a
room h s

-35 o'clock
ference sajourmed f o r t h e purpose
Conference

o f Governors

end

a n c s

Governors


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SECOND DAY.

2G,

YIsshington,

Tuescsy, November 23,
10 C166Gk o a Te

Joint G o n f s r e n c e
Governor,

o r

a n d the Chei
reconvenecn
i t

the B o a r d b e i n g present:

Covernor Crissinger, V i c e Governor
at

A

n

Plett, lr. Hemlin, iff. James s n a ft.
Cunninghem,

Pederal

Governor Crissingsr:
morming
discussion a t the joint session this
Credit Policy.
Live

minutss.
Curtiss h a s t h e f l o o r f o r f i v e


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£5
Mir. Curtiss:

y subject i s Relation o f Rediscounts

l

and Open Market Operations t o Credit Policy.

(A) H o w has this policy been carried ou
district with respect t o both reciscounts
operations.
4

The p o l i c y a d o p t e d b y

F e d e r a l Reserve B a n k o f

Boston, while i t coincided l k rgely w i t h that sdcdopted
o f t h e Fecdcrel i

conference

and G o v e r n o r s l a s t October,
acter w h i c h p e r t a i n e d
=

Q

w

h a s been o f a

i

t

h

cher

t o o u r n a t u r a l c o u r s e o f business

rather than t o a n y definite program.
e should a t least p e y expenses
in o r d e r

t o d o s o i t hss b e e n

should have earning assets o f spproximetely 360,000,000
to 365,000,000 s t current ciscount retes
1, 539,700,000 o f short term
ernment securities,

w h i c h h e v e b e e n esracuelly r e c u c e d

preeither throush reczmption o r meturity until-at t h e
sent t i m e t h e s m o u n t o f

4,000,000, o f which 3500,000 i s
agreement.

i

s

m

i

e period our loan t o

panks has s h o w e monthly fluctuation o f from _42,000,000


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to365,000,000.
ecrningss s n o w s

ments t o r thse 6

esndine

Letsmbs

of 3615,451 s s compared w i t h 3732,
ing twelve months sending Jecembe
in

st 339,715,000,

"10,000,000 of

until their maturity o n lereh 15,
Tarouchout 1923, t a e benk!
ities n e a

n e d . Uti

8 ) pHE

t h e y srount

than °4,000,000,
somewhe t

thse borrow-

ing curing t h s past y e b e e
requirements

snd to

2 more permanen

t

o

) n e d - o n c tmenceney


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months there
six member b e n k e

e

c R e s e r v e s District No.

which heve stssdily a n d consist y

double their b:

L

I

i

bovroved more t h a n

n eddition t o these s i x ,

fifteen other member benks which s t ons
tuelvs months endin~ October lL,
1923, h s v e borrowed more t h a n double their besic lins,

n

a totel i n 911 of only twenty-one bonks

e borrowings

trontye-one benks h e s p e r e p a t e d from .906,000

last August t o 32,056,000 jiuring the letter pert of lsst
month.

a

borrowing 3 »

r vords, totsl bo»
Ehean B u b l e t h e i r 6:

i

n

c hes e m o u n t e d

,000,000 t o 32,000,000 out of t o t a l
momber banks rouging from 330,000,000
: n e e
B O R EMLU
BEE

ers, thererore, a r e
proportion o f t h e whole.

T u s s i x benks consti

over-extended i n this respsct, 5 8 saown b y Exnibit 5,
were,
Caribou Netional Benk, Caribou, isins.


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islé Netionel Benk,
Soos County Netionel Benk, Groveton, N e w Hsipsaire
Leconti
Conclord Netional Benk,

In this connection, i t is illumine
yroportion o f

those f r o m s i l o t h e r c o r r

Somptroller's Cclls,

Nov, 11,1918
Dec.31,1918
ier, 4,1919
Juneso, 1919

ov. 17,1919
Dee, 51,2
Y 4E, 3 L920
M

June3O, 1920
Nov.15,1920 1 :

1

3

4

,

1

3

9


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52,267
59, 394
63,753

7 1 , 2 0 6 89.5.

The s b o v e t a b l e i s g i v e n i n thousands

of

dollers.)
actual l o a n t o member bsenks
for seasonel
thet d u r i n g t h e « r i o d October, 1922,

to April, 1923, New England member banks were borrowing
more than their ssasona e q u i r e m e n t s b u t that beginning
last spring i n Ley t h e y nave cousisténtly borrowed less
than their seasonel requires!
5 end 6 show that whereas t h e
were b o r r o w i n g r e l a t i v e l y s

higher p r o p o r t i o n o f t h e i r

in
reserve deposits t h a n were a l l membsr bsenks

Federal Reserve System, during t h e period October, 1 9 x


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ember

the

b e

curves c o r r e s p o n d i n g v e r y closely.

Rxhibit 8

shows 2

comperison o f t h e ifmencs f o r

benk credit, corrected for s
England, b u t slso f o r
ag a

Y o r k City e n d f o r t h e

whole.

Exhibit 9
New Y o r k ' s

easonel variation, n o t o n l y

contracts t h e

i n d e x f o r t h e volume

o f

thet t h e

& libsrally b u t n o t t o C a
Ciscount

rate

Governor C r i s s i

nor Strong,

Governor Strong:

M y r e p o r t i s brief, a n d I have

in


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aa
the liberty o f writing i t o u t s o that Mire Horrison
with y o u r permission,

The policy scoptsdad b y t h s Joint
controlled
It
must, norever,

be

end. mionsy market abtill pr

streteh

d ée
t

the sleck f o r mich o f thse 1

h

e country,

the couneonnot b e considered e s 2 separate entity f r o m
try a s 6

whole,

On October

4 ,

s

n

d o n November 7 , 1925, t h e

Discounts e n d l o a n s
Governoment s e c u r i t i e s o w n e d
ences
264
snd b i l l s h e l d o n

November 7, Lv: é
of resele.

T h e

n e e h e l z a r e held under contract
nvestiments h a s n o t s v e n

discounts.
been wholly ofiset b y incrsacs j n
’

seaapgened i n New York, usuel f o r this


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sposers from the figures submitted with the report
ofa]t h e Conmittee o n Open Market Investments.

Between

Mereh e n d November out-of-town benks have recucea their

belsnces end stock exchange loans b y some 3 4 5 millions,
while t h e New York banks have reduced their o w s t o c k

exchenge loans b y some $312, millions which, with liquidetion o f o t h e r i n v e s t m e n t s

meet the 4

t

h e s ensblec

t h e N e w York market

h

e Reserve Bank,

liquidgiion i n stocks which hes chars
During 311 of the sunmer enc.
Kno midile o f October, cormerciel loans stesdily
It might ssem desirable, i f money mates d o
not e2se t o make moderate purchsses o f securities.
Setiereactory evidonce t h a t t n e fecilitiss o f t n e
f o r prdBenk a r e n o t bein: abused f o r borrowings solely
i n the fact that there 4|re only 1 4 o f our
anosars
i
members w h o h a v e b e e n continuous b o r r o w e r s (

e

last

conference, - March, 1923, - their total b
averaging only sbout 32,000,000.

n

e

s

e

purchases
three a r e i n o u r d s b t l a r g e l y b e c e u s e o f h e a v y

of government securities during t h e war period.


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t h e N e w Y o r k p o s i t i o n e s t o mem-

Further s v i c e n c e

i s exhibited b y the fact t h a t

ber banks! borrowings

i Noveriber 1

e e

hes

been 2 logs o f over “100,000,000 o f gold through the golc
settlement fund, t h i s indicating t h a l m o s t continuous
tide o f h e n g e sgsinst N e w York i n
of t h e country.

Governor Crissinger

L r . Austin?

ngenswer t o the question “How
has the plen for the susgested crecit policy been carried
ect t o both reciscounts
and o p e n m e r k e t operations’ ,

with
thet w e felt that our policy h e d been i n hermony
l y d i d not feel csll-,gooé banking principles, cons*qusn
ec. upon

to
m a k e s n y material change i n i t i n order
Y

t ths ,
conformo

e alway a v e belisaved

were
ed t o e a r operating expenses s n c dividends,

in doing this we were n o t doing anything t o
so-cslled inflstion o f eredit.

I n mainteining such a n

ess
amount o f sarning assets t h e kinds o f
from t i m e t o time.

I

n conformity w i t h


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in G o v e r n m e n t s e c u r i t i e s

saversl sales o f portions o f our holdings o f such
our practre h a s been t o recuce siso o u r
enkers! b i l l s s s borrowings f r o m member

on October 30, 1925,

October
e (96,000,000, 8 s compsr ed vith 393,000,000 o n

ment securities,

o vern-

G

o f b enkers
we then held 352,000,000
Fe2
3
d

5 4 1 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0 o f bills discounted,

wé

Government

now h s v s

EES

o

discountec,
of t h e c u e s t i o n " T o w h a t
’

he borrowing

hes b e e n f o r s e s s o n a l s n a s m e r g s n e y
an i n v e s t i g a t i o n

o f t h e c i s counting

>

ee SaVane ee
at
ww

gre, t O L O W eo.

t

h

a

r

e

s

n borrowings

1D


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tion o f business.

F o r the y e

1922, t h e gensrsl.
tencency, f o l l o w i n g
oo
4

drop, w a s downward; tnerethe tenaency w a s gsnerelly upFrom then until October i t wes downwerc;

n o w

upward.

Ve know t h e t i n the sgricultural cistricts

sonal borrowing, t h e borroy
and summer, a n d licuiéetion takes plece i n the fell. T h o s e
rs well esteblisned, t h e i r benks a r e guite

end they gensrelly hevs the funds
fluctustions resulting f r o m s
io not h a v e t o

m

u

c

h rscourse

t o the

District, however, i s
fluctuations
the S

i n business

being,
y s t ee minto
ma c

is yet little evidence

o f séasonsl borrowing,
veristions

thet occur s s e m t o b e i n response 6

h e Gisnges i n the

ectivity o f business.
Answering t h e lstter part o f cuestion (b)
t o have been o f
extent “ o e s t h e b o r r o w i n g sppeer
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#

of t h e Gis count operstions o f our memoer

benks sare more o r

heve n o t been o u t o f c e t t o u s t o r @

periodf
o thirty

96% twelve months.

these banks s r e carrying more losns e n d i s counts
ne prester eccommodations
resources

Conditions

t o their customers t h a n

s s e m to w a r r a n t .

i n t h i s cistrict h a v e e n g e e d consicer-

ably f r o m those e
tins t h e r e w e s 2
which f u n d s t h s b a n k s w e r e c o n s t o n t l y

much o f them wes used i n buying commerticl psper.
buginess c o n c e r n s

consid

o f t h e ¢ & trict v e r e t o ¢

such f u n d s a n d c 1 é n o t h e v s
2

their banks

Ln Shore.

Ler m

ment obligations.
Concerns

t h e t were f i n s r e s e d b t }

g

h

c o n m e r =


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sr morket n o w heve t o cspsnd v e r y
This h e s t h r o w n u s o n

thougut i t best
some

t o neve more

or l e s s c o n s t a n t

few institutions t h s
we a r e c C o i n g o u r b e s t

a

e

v

y over-trecding, t h i

t o control without csusing undue

rassment.
Governor C r i s s i n s e r :

G o v e r n o r Fancher?

Mir. Cnsirmsn, r e p o r t i n g b r i e f l y

Fourth District, I would say itis
District, industriel sna menufesecturi
of o u r w e m b e r b o r r o w

our m e m b e r

our totel borrowings frou.

of$20,000,000.
inereass u n t i l o u r m e m b s

h e ncontinued to
w o r e borrowing

i n d u l y o r l s tAeu


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June 376,000,000. I

think there

sion,ond s t the present time loans
65,000,000 totel borrowings from the benks.
The number o f borrowing benks ©

year a g o

220, e n c i t has n o w increesed
proportion o f c i t y banks
y s a g o 5 3 country benks,

compsred t o country banks, 3
e

ond tae. 1 0 2 e l tie 1

e

e t t h e close

hoe 4 G00, 000,

w

O

close o f October 5
sources

d

s

u

r

e borrowing 2 t tans
r invested

s i n November

g o f $55,000,000

a

354,000,000 i n seceptence

e

o n d 326,000,000 i n Government

securities.

sau those various items d i p i n lete

520,000,000 member
$26,000,000 Governmén

sub ivision ( o y ,
the borrowing
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popear t o hevs b e e n o f 2

more p e r m a n e n t n e t u r e

for t h e p r o f i t involved,

w e still have =

faw

heve borrowed continuously
few o f t h e m e r e hang-overs f r o m

not besn
not Borrowins
for: p y r i ,

i s rsthe n d i c e s t e d b y t h e statement mecde a t
i n c i c e t i n g t h e t w e had eight banks

the close o f é

borrowing e x c e s s o f their capitel s n c surplus, only
bank borrowing o n s 3 n d a half
surplus, w h i c h rather incicates t h e t \
ond
Se b s H e t
borrowing,

s n d t h e t t h e benks

will n o w h e a r f r o m o u r

your r e s u e s t f o r snswers

Topic No, 1 , Joint Conference
November 1 2 , 1923, “ R e l e t i o n o i Rec
Perteb O p e r e vione

How hes this policy
th recdiscounts e n d open m1


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District

o u r o p e n - m e r k s t osSsrations

limited
exclusively
ginsting

t o t h e purchase

i n sxtent s n d

o f scceptances o r i -

i n this D i s t r i c t ( a n d h a v i n g s e t i s f a c t o r y e n -

not
WN r e
dorsements) w h i c h w e
for t h e s o l e p au2r p o+s e

o f§

i i l y sbsorbed

n e p r-o p e r s u s v o r t

1

eptsaces o n l y s t the S

b y t h e market,
t o t h e mar-

t f o r unendorssd a c -

in other
bank o r broker
ances t o US.

O u r policy hss b e s n t o m

ent o n d legitimate needs, whether o r not t h e y
rowing b e y o n a t h e i r b a s i c

or sdmonition.

O n t h s other hend,

i n those cases i n

Which rediscounting hes been consistent o r borrowing h s s

suently i n excess o f bosic lines,
to d e t e r m i n e w h e t h e r n e w o f f e r i n g s

exrozrits

of

n e purposes, w i t h

ms restreint o r control,
district, h e s t h e borand emer=

apx er t o


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permanent néturs,
the p r o f i t i n v o l v e d ?
answer t h i s “ u e s t i o n

the borrowing
closely observed, s n a - i t
thet t h e greater p a r t o f t h e borrowing h e s b e e n
nal purposes a n d
i f eny of conse

ft
orofiteering exceptions,

cused, h e v e t e e n few.
Anvended hereto i s 2 tabulzted statement showing
o n the lsst dey

totel a m o u n t o f loens e n d r e d i s c o u n t s

sach month from October 31, 1922, t o Sept
inclusive.

T h i s statement incluces rediscounts

oariculturel paper, losns o n Govern-~

secutities, a n d bills purche
circumeteoness a b o v e
Giviled i n t o t h r e e g r o u p s .
which o n t h e
basi

“roup shows :

nike

borrowing amounts equal

b

a
e

s

s
s then their

nird =roup shows t h s number o f


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ated.
waich rere not borrowing o n the cates indic
the borrovi i

2

first group h a v

bent ¢

fact thet they

te, &

a }

WALCO

-

~

a

D

7

provec

ding o f s u c h b a n k s d u r i n g t h e c u r r e n t s o a s o n W a s

lergely f o r seasonal requirements e n d constited t o a
considersble extent o f additionsl loans
compelled t o make t o their

c u m e i

tete ultimate Liguication.

T

there w e s 2

a s r t o facili-~

t will b e observed t h a t

reduetion o f borrowings

o f banks

i n this

croup o f 150 bani:s r o m 22,000,000 o n October $1, 1922,
to 316,000,000 bozrowed b y ninety banks o f t h s number
curing

reliscountig
volume becsme necesssery.
Tas borrowing o
assumed

at.

t o


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=65
(which, however,
detline i n <sposits
iz

conspicuous smonsg t o s
throughout t h e entire district.

T n i s borrowing l a c r e s a

ed from 320,000,000 o n Janusry Sl, 1 9 t o . 342,000, 000
on October 31, 1925,
borrowin; nearly t y
amouiy 7s A e : s n d i c g

O

f courses,

into account t h e t t h e benks i n
50

In the S t a t e of South Cerolinse the
on October 31, 1922, t o 32,158,000 o n October
of North Carolina loens in1922, = oo
36,769,000

s t the close

J o n u e r y , 1923, e n d from that

274,000 o n October Sl, 1925,
son, N o r t h C s r o l i n s m e m b e r s w e r e b o r S t e l bs On

liguidation b y
thet t h e y w e r e b o r r o w i n g


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Sxpeoce
around

rai

the €
perticulerly crops
effect

eur ecnoly SAssor

borrowing <Suriceg

which erose f r o m e

gus

I
bee)

LS

t sppcsrs
W e t

ag cor Wie a6
To ted
Losns

Oct.21/22

oop venuer
sl e n d

to
essec b u s i n e s s

Borrow-

ings.
besic
lines
322, 284
,

May 31/23

minimumo
f 238,000,000

to379,000,000 on

on Jsnusry 3i,
0.

o i this bicuicaae

QD
9We 1 KS

activities.
Bor ro%
cg i n g s .


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June 3 0 7 0 , 1 2 6

July 31/23 6 7 , 1 8 7
AUS.

7 2 , 5 9 4

3ept.e30/23 79,286

Nova 7/23 63,300
(NOTE: -Amounts i n the above table are stated i n
thousends o f dollers.)
G o v e r n o r Vellhorn, w e will

Governor Crissinger:
near f r o m you,

Governor Wellborn:

O u r loans a t the first o f this

month were 395,000,000, eni have been sdvencing pretty
¢nstesdily cince t h e first o f June, w h i c h i s d u e almost
tirely t o s e a s o n e l cemancs.

O u r liqguication n a s n o t

mills
teken place e s early this year e s usual, because t h e
sr2 buying cotton n o w a n d stocking up, e n a e g fsst a s
they are
the l o g n s a r e p a i d o f f e t t h e c o u n t r y b s n k s

absorbed b y the city venks t o assist t h e mills.

S o m e of

ity b e n k s i n f o r m m e the. h s l f o f t h e i r borrowings
e r e givdo t h e f e c t o f t h s e c c o n m o d a t i o n s t h e t t h e y

the non-member banks.

A

t the present time there a r e

our loens, s n d w e ars


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Governor Crissinger:
Chicsgo District.

end prectice o f t h e c e r a l
“uring t h e yesr hes b e s n strictly
in accordance w i t h t h e understsnding o f t h e intent o f
T a s posi-

the resolution passed i n October o f lest year.

thet
tion o f the bank hes b e e n uniformly etrong, t h s fact
et different times a l l o f our reserve citiss hsve b e e n
practically o u t o f o u r Cebt, e n d that n o continusnce b o r
i s proof,

rowing has b e e n i n evicence f r o m that-soures,

that t h e s p i r i t o f t u s r e s o l u t i o n h a s

besn complied with.
Tt i s o

fact that e t 8

m e c u r i n g t h e year

af
of <irectors o f t h e Federal Reserve B a n k

2

yf C
ME y

=

~

~

suc e s t e d

Bi0..g8t some
member benks, t h e t theve vere in‘ications
their customers o f oversxpension,
2n-1a=
the s i t u a t i o n » i t h o u t s n y r e c o u r s s to.
o n o u r pert.
creases i n rates s n d w i t h o u t s n y a c t i o n


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ts heve besn o f the same natu
Jith regard t o the secona pert o f t h s question,

ss

6 Borr
emergency requirements,

w o u

Reserve Bonk o f Chicago hes probably “ifteen t o twenty-five
millions o f : a l l i e d “ f s n ’ rediscounts.

T h o s e sre

a cerry-over;
not s o much o f “restic Jefletion towards sgriculturs, b u t
excessive

eer.svrks of/gpeculetion i n real estate
most o f which heve n o t been reflected
fn Diguicetion,

end

r

e

m

T o r s y e s s o r tr0

“ t h u s

to. 26n6, Hut. E L L oot: r e m
Apart f r o m this,
ings with u s have mostly f o r
poses.

Governor Crissing
from you.
Governor Bis: cs 3 l r . Gheirnen,

2 1s

been lite

tle o r n o evicencs o f credit inflation i n the ~ighty Dis-

trict. during the last year. G r e c d i t has been
freely b y this b e n k t o its members f o r
he m o v e m e n t

o f t h e cotton c r o


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is © n aGnmwal.. problem,
in our bills < i s e o u n t e d for menbers, w h i c h incressea

from sbout 345 0 0 0 , o n J 3 0 t h , t o smut 372,000,000
of. the policy o f this
the m o v e m e n t

o f crops.

Normally, bills Giscountec for members i n this disme time i n August t o 5

end
of

discounted b i l l s t o t h e s x t e n t o f

5nd i t is now ebout 70,000,000.
‘33,000,000 i n Government securities

Govarnor sé¢

WEB TLOG

T O

cCurine. t a s
+

hove n o

tm O U T G L a e t r i c s

nvolved, although o u r ciss half p e r cent i s from one half


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vad
to o n s e n d o n a - h s l f p e r c e n t l o w e r t h a n t h e a v e r a g s r a t e
a]
of banks i n ths larger c i t i e s o f t h e district, a n d

cent l o w e r t h a n t h e

the lest year, e n d t e i r r o w i n g s @ t this
elrost entirely f o r sessonal require-

Mir, R i c h i s n o t a t t h e Confsrence.

I G

for h i m t o come, b u t h e sent his comments
who will reec them.
lixr, tiertin:
concitions,
snd I

i p , s

notes w e r e n o t o n t h e g e n e r a l

b u t o n t h e o t h e r t o p i c o f dis count rates,

heve n o p e p e r c o v e r i n g t h e t o p i c h s r e Wehaieet

Mee
Governor

Young,

© y o u cars

enything a b o u t t h i s m e t t e r ?

Governor Young:

i y , Cheirmen, k r , R i c h contemplated


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District, i n 1920, wes losning t o the
Northwest $113,000,000.

h e t smount

owed
ed until Merch o f this yser, w h e n o u r member banks

Us #p2roximately ~15,000,000.

S i n c e larch o f this year

s o g e d until October o f this year, w h e n

ecveneces have

about 552,000,000.

A t the present time, they

are about 320,000,000.
I think I

can snswer without hésitency t h e t t h e

Reserve Benk o f liinneapolis h e s followed v e r y closel
the policy e d o p t e d last October,
In cnswer t o sub-topic (a), I

think a l l

t o 1920,
tion i n the district w a s ersated previous
during 1 9

e n d sines t h e t tire, I

hes b e e n o n y inflation a t ell. I

do not think there
do not believe t h e

in t h e district ere’ borrowing solely f o r profit.
mite t r u e t h e t

t h o t r : borrowings -

hk

p

e

e

profit, b u t I em quite sure i f they could collect <nc. pe

out o f
t h e y would b e only t o o sled t o get

debt.
The i n c r e a s e

thi

I woule s a y i s due t o


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& surprise
small é n

is thet t h e y c o t along with §

The “15,000,000 thet w e heve hac
carry-over, ¢ lerge pert of i t o s n e d because o f smscrgen
in our district,

in

lost conficsi

withérswinge their money
they m u s t b o r r o w m o n s y t o t e k e

thet t w o ysars @

the Comotroller's Jepartmect,
institutuons, n e w

let

2 h ouwr- c i s

best concitiom , imstitut.ons t h e
ery closély.
With regard t o open msrket
1 of them;

w e heve n o t perticip?ted

in

is necessary
market s t 911, e n d I 4o not think i t


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to g o into t h e open market unless w e s r e requisted t o d o
so b y the Central Committee.
hore i g o n e s i t v a t i o n

i n North Dakote t h a t i s very

ad, ond that has to ® with the so-colled “chloroformed
I think y o u ere a l l fsmilier w i t h those institusnd thet condition has worked quite a nerdshio o n
our o w n member bonks i n tist state.

The people o f North Dakota know that e “chloroform'
mitted t o invest money t h a t i s deposited
end they feel that i t i s safer there t h a n i t i s
member benks, w i t h the result thet t h e y e r e ce-

in the “chloroform” banksend withérewins from
the member banks.

T h a t i s ceusing s good deal o f difrfi-

culty i n North Dakota, a n d just how f e r i t Will g o I co
mot know.

n

institution, I

e ban
think,-- I

s

h Dekote hed a

solvent

co n o t t h i n k t h e r e i s a n y 7 u c e

tion sbout ite-- but h e ceme d o w t o Minneapolis 2 n d t o k
and w e n t e d

t o

borrow s o m e more monsy.
but

h e went bsck out there snc ¢

closed t h e institution;

d m n o t u s e t h e money; i

h e coatempleted putting t h s pro-

position right u p t o his depositors,


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give him more time,

H e wantec t o treat ell of his ce-

positors slike, a n d I think h e reopened. I

think w e have

more banks i n North Dekote which perhaps will have t o d o
thet.

“ h e t h e r t h a t will spreed into t h e other states
em not prepared t o say;

f thet situation d i d not exist, I

I

situs

b u t i t i s not 8 good
think I

coulc s a y with ssfety t h a t our total advances t o our

meme

5 1 5 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0 b y Jenuary 1,

ber banks

Gown t o “10,000,000 b y March 1, c n d thet ten million
lers would represe:t largely borrowings o f institutions
ere i n sections t h e t h e v e e x p e r i e n c e d d r o u g h t f o r
bad

or f i v e years,

Governor Crissinger: G o v e r n o r Bailey?
Governor Bailey:

A

t t h e first o f t h e yeer w e had

287,000,000 i n Government securities e n d ‘$17,000,000 i n
the present t i m e w e heve a LittLe:. over

"6,000,000 i n government securities a n d 368,000,000 i n
raciscounts. -

3V7,000,000,

O u r lowest point o f recdiscount was

T I would say thet holf o f thet

ed b y “rozen loans t h e t were mece i n Oklahome, v e s tern

sas, Western Nebraska, a n c part of Colorado, i n 1920
1921, t h a t coatinued drought, misfortunes, floods,


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we

thet our cle trict is. in’ good

epe, t h a t

i s increase f r o m 17,000,000 t o preeticelly

60,000,000 from the fi f
home, incin2

S i s meeee

Jenuery u p t o
i s s o f thet conmunity,

on G o v e r n m e n t
borroters

i n our home banks

ities r e t h e r

a8 m

personslly concerned, I

the Government bonts, I

than

woulc just 4 s

believe t h e t t h s i n

borrowings i s cbsolutely ssesonsl.

z n d thet

2°Mrse iicClure will supsort m e t t y i n g thet there i s
no borrowing ‘ o r profit,
we: p r e t t y

borrowing t o o fsst, “ 6 send f o r them, o r
a
- fears

m e n t o t e d k t o tnenm- e n e


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beli-ve t h a t , w i t h a

f e w e x c e p t i o n s w h e r e d r o u g n t s hseve

come a n d heavy floods, l i k e t h e y heve h a d i n Oklahoma,
4
that h u r t t h e c o t t o n crop, t h s t w e e r e g o i n g t o h a v e

big Liquidation a n d find ourselves i n rather comforteble
position.

Governor Crissinger:

W e will now hear from ir.

ley.

ue Talley: I

want t o say for the benefit o t

tores¢
record,.end the reporter, thet I a m not going
I say, but heve just a few rough notes.
Tae conclusions w i t h reference t o this topic were
go clear t o m e that I cid n o
the e x p r e s i o n o f w a s t I

havs

T crave the conference's indulgence
e
l
b to
The q u e s t i o n i s , i t e i t desirable a n d p r e c t i c s

es a
wake more u s e o f Federal Reservs benk examinations

-reculating
means o f securing informstion t o b e used t n
o f placing
member benks! borrowings m o r e directly ingtsed
clusive e n d mgin relie

u p o n enonges o r discount

ress
s not only hignly desireble b u t distinctly
e ond practicable t o places great relicnes


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eminations e s s méens o f securing informetion

banks' borrowings.
teke thrse factors w h i c h w e consicered pare ount into
consideration,

t h e condition o f t h e esplicsnt bank,

the

charscter a n d ability o f its meassement, including t h e
relationship o f its directorate,

c a d its physicol conci-

de territory, p o s t , p r e s e n t e n d prospesctivs.

In Giscussing @ 3 c h o f these turee fsctors
we undertake,

b y msens o f reporting

as w e m a y t h e e x a c t c o n i t i o n

o f ths

its solvency.
the examination showed lergs impsirment o f e s p
more o r l e s s o f a

l a x mensgement, senda w e h a v e g o n e

as t o d e n y c r e d i t

t o t h e t i n s t i t u t i o n sbsolutely.

7
¢s shorn b y reports o x sxominetions,

i s elso e n

impotant congicsration i n reference t o increasing 6
of c i g c o u n t s w h i c h t h e member b a n k i s
2t o u r hends.
iamanbarget Oras
Vhen thse volume o r rceciscounts
sos

tendency t o expand retner liberelly w e witsnole


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agtion o n = pendingLi) application e n d requ:st
with t h e acting

%

sccounting orficess o f thst

usuelly request e n d sometimes insist t h e t

egers o f the benk b e sccompsniéed t o the confsrence b y
several o f their directas.

I

n these cescs w e have

d i r e c t o r s o f concitions w i t h which

fre wently i n t e

ey vere not very familisr s n d by that meens © lons w e

heve cuccseded in reculating the member bsnks' borrowings
a

may sey also. m o t only satisfac-

very satisfactorily. I

u
b “hen tne c o n c i t i o n s o r t h e
borily t o o u r s e l v e s t
‘bank e n d its

s

l o a n s t o o liberally

e 7

without due regard t o the hazard o f growing credits o r
other means
factory

o f lituigation i t proved,

i n the mein,

s k, without e n y perticular
t o the m e m b e r n

cism o r cisagreement

o e

o u r executive committee.

Discussing the second feetor brisfly, w e sre sole
“make comperisons--~ a n d I

e m sure this will SOply. b e ell
betwsen t h s c o n a i t i o n s

Gifferent b a n k s

i n t h e seme t r e d s t e r r i t o r y 6 8 2

charseter o f t h e manccement.
Vv

loral Reserve Bank which i s not seeking

result

I n


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vences o f ths Federel Reserve Benk snc
any p r o b l e m i n rerersnce

t o undue expensio

or its undue expension o f its reciscoount lins w i
Bank, w h i l e s t

Federal R e s ¢

B y :

i m e presumebly

snother institution i n the same trace territory, opersterefers
ing exactly under t h e sams physicel conditious i n
ence t o the territory which i t
large line o f ré-

tendency t o losn freely e n c s

mors o r less
-@iscounts w i t h Federel Reserve Bsnks s n d o n 6
permesnent basis, t a k i n g s d v e n t e g e

o f every opportunity

to

4 0 soe ‘ h i s
ecpand tiat line vrhenever i t i s possible t o
meens o f iniiceting, through 2

touch vith t h e benk

end throuch recourse t o
in the cnarscter o f men,
the a b i l i t y o f t h e men,

c a d the a i i f s r e i

M

e

2 . 5 6 . aAee

a
of t h e m a n s g e m e n t t o w s t c t h s r e c i s c o u n t

Federsl Reserve Benks, o n d tict their
In reference

t o t h e fector o f physicsl con-itions

thst p o r
4n the trace territory w e must concicer “aether
ticuler territo:
s1tuetion

O b Wi

iam h e A b lpoyor
wpale

i s {tise

e s

P

B ry

s b n o r m a Ll


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:feal sonditions
of a

reason

i n the tracs territory t o t h e
more continued lins

a e 9

o r neeses

ai scounts

to borrow more f r o m t h e Federal Reserve B e t e than misht
terribe comporec w i t h o t h e r i n g t i t u t i o n s w h o s e t r a d e
tories a r e i n m o r s norimel

e e

tenks located i m communities thet hsv:
crop f s i l u r e s

or

ence to, G r o p returns.
e

t h eiw) banks 3 s 2 unit rather ther
W
consiger

confitions which might. spply i n = br
all benks, s n d even though the s«tual psper which i s
‘to-us m a y b e eligible and s p .ear t o b e solvent e n e
able, i t does n o t necesserily follow t h e t w e would psrmit

the line o f the bank t o expond simply becsuse i t i s i
position t o offer e l i ible p a p e

“ t e must take

conc ijeration that proportion o f non-eligible
_it h e s i n i t s l o e n s s s v e e g . t h e p s p e r w h i c

able t O USe

F S S h t

m

e thet w e must endeavor

forecast orobables
vard t o ths meens o f 1 i uidation,
jnersased d s p o s i t s


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or b y c s a s o n a l r e i u c t i o n o f i t s loans;

a n d i n thst con-

nection i t ssens t o m e thet that i s one o f t h e most inportant things t o take into considerstion i n refcrence t o
itself,

s s well as a n y tendency t o borrow

sbnormslly o r i n e n exeggerated fashion f r o m t h e Fed-rel
reserve bank,

W e have h a d i n the past o n d probsbl: w i l l

heve i n the future t o o high a regard for t h e l e g e loblieations resting o n Fed*rel reserve
for member benks.

I

t ssems t o m e

snoul: b e considered only i n the light thet the member
bank m s y bring i t s need o r whet i t considers t o b e its
need t o the Fecsrel reserve b a n k for rediscount focilities,
then upon e n enalysis o f all t h e factors,
Federel r e s e r v e b a n k t o s o y w h e t h e r

i t i s for

i t shall s l l o w

credit o r sllow s n y reciscount l i n e o r vnetner i t
should m s p thet line i n r e
the e c o n o m i c

benk itself.

by a member bank t o m

incivicual.

I t seems t o m e that

*xperethe member b o n k must have iniiceatec t h r o u g p a s t


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mat t h e b e n k

which sre not capitel loens, s n a thet sven though tusy
may have some sppsarences o t being sligible loans, i t s
own n o t e c a s e m u s t b e m e d

f l u c t u a t s

i n accoriance w i t h

the charscter o f t h e psper w h i c h i t nas.
When w e base t h e lines o f credit t o t h e bank u p o n
factors w h i c h I

hsv2 e n u m e r a t e d a n d u n d r t e k e t o p r e v e n t

undue “ x p a n s i o n

i n reference

t o t a s indivgicuel r e d i s s o u n t

‘with Federal reserve banks, I

see n o resson why the

ederal reserve bank should fsel cell u p o n t o continue
t h e bank i s

to r e d i s c o u n t r o r a bank s i m 2

position t o offer :lig

p a p e @

point that ep-

to h e v e r y i m p o r t e n t i

s line o f c r e d i t e x t e n d e d

b y the m e m b e r bank,

and which “oes n o t follow t h e
liquidation

reserve bank msy sssily b e
loans beyond t h e ebility e n a resou: 5 - 0 7 8 meiner
snd t o . t h a t e x t e n t w e s h o u l d w a t e h i t v e r y c d r e r u l
in r e f e r e n c e

t o the continued

tena f

@

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to c a r r y =

line o f rediscount w i t h t n e Federal reserve
s s i t gives, p e r t i c u l e r l y

benk o r t o e x p a n d them,

sericulturs] district,

in on

e n ineentive t o sxp3nd crecits i n

enticipation o f production s n d tends t o mnenufecture crsait
rether t h e n heve credit perform i t s trues function, e n d , o f
course, w i l l eventually l e a d t o easy ersdit f o r speculation.

rate.

Now, e
egch o f u s

n

i 5

-

T h e r e is, v i t h which

¢chool o f t h o u g h t w h i c h b e l i e v e s

e higher t h e n t h e open
thet t h e rediscount r a t e s h o u l d b
market rate. I

belong t o that school, b u t thet probsbly

should b e s t a t e d w i t h s o m e ~uelification,.

M

s scadenic

Giscussion 9 s t o whetner rediscount rates shoulda b e himier
any vulor lower t h a n t h e o p e n mserket rate leaves i o w i f
nersble points, b u t t h e test comes i n maining epplication
of t h e theory.

I t sesms t o m e thet w e shoul” “sfine t h e

term "open msrket rate" a s i t may b e spplied t o the price
of m o n s y o r t o c r e d i t e c c o : v o d a t i o n s

“ve must find a sort o f common demominetor. 5
tiesl matter, I

prac-

do not believe i n reality t h e o p t n merkst

should saccoiilrete i s t h e rate s t thich incividusl banks
tuene 12° 2
modete their customers, t h o u s h i n sech &ietrict


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tandsney f o r s u c h r a t e s

t o ap. roach 2

N

l x

o

r co

at the sverage o f such rates constitutes t h e
opsn m e r k e t r a t e o r t h a t i t i s c o r r e c t

t e say there i s

sn o p e n m e r k e t r a t e i n «cach d i s t r i c t c i s t i n e t f r o m
n merket

thet rate s t which benking institutions, investors
Heir surplus i n temporarily
solvency e n d
who e r e c o n -

stantly wanting

sssuch, thersfore, i t may reccl
‘are-sppliceble t o the country & S @
fluctuations s r e csused b y t h e ebb
. funds f r o m o n e s e c t i o n o f t h e country

t o s n o t h e r ened i n

o f gold o r
perfect reletion t o t h e i m o r t s e n d exports
capital s n d thse
to t h e requirements o f profuetion e n c
S
seasonsl cips a n d pesks i n ctiverent sections o f t h e
country.

count r a t e i n 21ll cistricts.

h

e rats should spprosch

bh
rather thei
uniformity b y meens o f sconoinic ediustinmsents

by o n arbitrary scale. I

mern t o sey b y


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of recdiscount e r e u n i f o r m n
i a l l <istricts, b u t s s ths
demand f a f u n d s f n one dis trict i s comswhat
then t h e demand for funds i n ¢nother cistrict, t h e n the
ict a r e placed more i n consonence witha
reserves condition, e n d the u s x

ersdit uituin

its o w n district, e n d t h e tencsncy torerd » hisher rate
in one particuler Cistrict w o u l a prevail t h e a t o some
extent funds e o u k a b s extrected f r o m a cistrict where
the lover rate prevailec a n d t h e whole process m i g i t

tend to uniférmity in-rediscount rates, snd we should
fepend upon t h e e b b e n d flow o f funds through t h e country
ss e whole f o r uniformity rather t h e n t o undertake t o
peg uniformity.
4nother thing thet shoul? b e taken into consicere+
tion with reference t o © n y dependency whieh should b e
| upon t h e rate t o control borrowing o f menver bonks
wide civersenc :
tee cir?
nC

L

tus

t h e legel rate o f

v e e t a t e s e n d the furtnsr feot. that
e

a r e m o o t a c d o f ports

In the Sleventh District

e

s

o f s t a t 7s.

l r a t e s n d t h s contrect

rate r u n f r o m s i x t o t w e l v e p e r c l e a t T h e r e w i l l b e ,

therefore,

n o possibility o f controlling,

i n 8 situation


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of thet kind, t h e volume o f borrowiig o r the ®2xpension af
anadit b y recdiscount rates,

° The reciscount

wuether high o r low, sctually have e n influence o n
borrowing, b u t such influence i n 2 n agriculturel “istrict
is too invisible. P r a c t i c e l l y t h e only rmticeeble e f fect i s i n the volume o f rsdiscounts contributed b y
larger b e n k s

i n t h e lerger c e n t e r s ,

pare t h e r e d i s c o u n t r e t e s

i n one district w i t h those o f

centers.
should conrorm bo.
Feceral récerve

recicount rate i s herdly more
snd

e

r

e f t

n o t

o n S s e o n o m i c s y t o m o a tie: v e l y e

thet Will cut off the f l o r o f the vist.
in e n y g i v e n p o i n t

r e a m O F curve ney!

7

i n which =

to s e t in, b u t rociscount operations e r e nothing b u t

-lending o f money.

must,

prospscts,

W e must tr:


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Governor C r i s s i n g e r : © W e will now hser f r o m Governor Calkins.

Governor Celkins:

A s t o the cuestion, “How hss this

policy been csrried o u t i n escen dis trict with respect t o

both rediscounts and open market operations," i n following the policy esdopted a t the joint confsrence o f October,
1922, w e heve been guided b y t h e doctrines t h e t credit
extension b y t h e Federal Reserve Benks o n l y promotes i n flation w h e
1. P r o c e e d s a r e u s e d f o r o t h e r t h a n p r o d u c t i v e

purposes,

or

Zs P r o c s e d s a r e used f o r productive purposss b u t
he production financed results i n losses w h i c h cannot
be m a

m

e

d w i t h o u t d t ect o r indirect r e -

course t o the fodowes Reserv: Banks,
Application o f this h e s b e s h msde i n
manner:
On: Papexe

‘ted b y evicenc 5
setivity; ( b d ) i
operations;

( c )

a

) Srise

o

f productive

c a i d e t meturity o u t o f curront
n e t s o l v e n c y o f t h e meker c o o s n o t

depend s o l e l y u p o n t h e p r o f i t o r l o s s o f thse perticuler


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trenssction.
As t o the Bank's u s e o f proceeds,

b y J i r e c t i n c u i r y o r otherwise,

bs informed,
the p u r p o s e

w e endeavor t o

o f a bank's b o r r o w i n g

a s t o whether

i s t o meet sessonal

requirements, sbnormal deposit withdrawals, o r other
neir purpose a n d use i s constantly being
checked b y spscial reports during t h e rediscounting perjiod showing l o s n s n d deposit movements, c e l l e d reports,

examination reports, a n d personal inquiries when felt
edvisable,
Discounting w i t h t h e Fedsral Reserve B a n k f o r t h e
purpose o f using funds f o r capital o r speculative
is not knowingly permitted.
recetermination o f logs is, o f course, n e x t t o impossible.

P r a c t i c a l effort strives t o sap,roximate i t

considerstion s n d weighing o f t h e known factors
bearing upon t h e particular venture.

I n t i m a t e knowledge

of the personal equation and local conditions a r e essengiel factors;

t h e

r e l Reserve Bank i s almost entirely

dependent o n the judgment o f local bankers for the first
end slightly less f o r t h e second, a n d for this reason

as
every ressonable effort i s mece t o acquaint ourselves


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closely a s possible w i t h the capacity o f t h e member benk's
enzceme ate T h i s , s u p p l e m e n t e d
évicenc

or

b y t h e statistical

o f t h e borrower 3 n d our o w n study o f re-

sconomic conditions forms t h e besis o f our judgwent 9 s t o the ecceptability o f t h e paps o f f e r

of necessity for and lesitimacy o f the bank's
im operations w i t h us.

As t o question (b), “To what extent, i n each district,
the borrowing, during the past year, been
smercency requirements;

Senn. 3

e n d t o what extent does i t

oo: 3

MBiLen

m

e

r

e

l

y

for the profit involved, generelly t h e
ieuber banks i n this district neve b e e n
Borrowings o f many e g r
“ber b a n k s

i n g o u t h e r n Iceho e n d i n s e s t t e r e c i n s t a n c e s

in Esster ‘“leshington e n d Uregon h e v e b e e n continuous
‘throughout t h e year, d u s l e s s t o s *

s

l requirements
A

the n e c e s s i t y o f s u p s o r t i n g s e long c o n t i n u e d

emergency srowing o u t o f servers. y o s r s o f economic ais. $ress.

T h e c e r r y o v e r r e p r e s e a t e d r e n e w a l s Of. t h e

then a s yet unrecovere= e n d unrefunded l o s
from crop failures o r opereting.

I

n volucse,

bor-


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have showm s stsacy reduction
me give promise o f sven greater
nprovement f o r t h n i n g y e a A m o u n t o f Cerry-over
of- t h t s

lers).

i t h t h e foregoing exceptions, country bank
P

borrowing has é

l

9 61

y seesonal cheracter,

elliquidation is the gonerel ex :ectetion.
4

n rether s t e s d y b o r -

rowers throughout t h s f

c i s c o u n t e d has

8

been eccompenied b y proper svicence o f its
dating sharsetsr.

tue

B

e

c "

necdiscounting h a v e b e e n undertaken,

is perhaps netural thet t h e more libsral o r sympsthetic
hi e n d i n g operations m o r e

grantor should i
his deposits
ciency c a n b e r e e d i

r e a s e

i f such dsposit

m e t out o f i s c o u n t i n g with

Such operations m a y b e based
solely o n procuctive c r e d i t ,

infletion, b u t they a r e a

s n d i n n o w a y contributs

r from t h e former
deperte

generally sccepted coctrine t h a t normally a

benk's

to


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operations should b e limited b y its deposi
only sxtraordinary o r emergency conditions c o u l d justify
using i t s o w n c r e d i t t o r e p l e c e c e p o s i t deficiency,

The Joctrine,

n o doubt, g r e w o u t o f the haz-rds involved

in such operations;

s n d t h e hazards b e i n g measurably r e -

moved b y t h e i n s u g u r a t i o n o f t h e F e d e r a l R e s e r v e S y s t e m ,

to i t epperently s e e m s less necessery a n d less
in contrsst t o t h e opportunity offer
growth e n d profit.

T h i s subject will b e discussed fur-

ther i n the program under Topic 1-H, “Methods o f Dealing
with henmber B e n k s w h i c h s r e C o n s t a n t e n d E x c e s s i v e B o r -

rowers,"
i. C h s i m n a n ,

i t i s proper

the ssasonel operations

t o say, w i t h r e g a r d

to

i n t h e Twelfth District, t h a t

the ssasons exist t r o m t h e first o f Jenuary t o the -end
of December.

B

y t h e time t h e season i s over o n t h e b o r -

the bordsr o f ilexico.
Governor Gri: sing

@

e will n o w have t h e report

of t h e Governors O p e n Market Committee,

b y Governor

Strong.
Governor “Strong:
asireedy read t o the sepsrate confernce o f Governors o f


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and I

s m n o t s u r e w h e t h e r t h e Gheir-

men, w h o have not seen it, would like t o have i t read. I t
will take a little more then five minutes t o read it.
Governor Crissinger: P e r h a p s i t would b e sdvisable
not t o read it.

A t a meeting between members o f

Governor Strong:

the Federal Reserve Board and members o f the committee
this morning, this report was considered and discussed,
The B o ord held thet i t involved a

w e s t i o n o f system

poltcy which would require some consideration.

I t is

expected that a later meeting will b e held b y the Board

with the committee, when further data will b e submitted

ond the whole subject of policy suggested by the réport
will b e considered a t that time. I

presume, ir. Chair-

men, that as the report has m t been read separate
copies should be d s tributec, n o w or later, t o those who
have n o t received them, :
hi. V e r r a n

I

s i t proposed t o arrive a t some cone

clusion which will b e presented s t the sscond session o f
the Joint Conference, a s a result o f a mseting o f the co m ~
mittee w i t h t h e m e m b e r s

Goverror Streng: I

o f t h e Board?

think t h e point was, lir. Perrin,


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o r soms period,

the Cormittee would west w i t h t h e Bosrd i r
consider

s u g g e s t i o n conteines

report, together w i t h further “ate t o b e submitted,

en

then communicate w i t h t h e reserve banks i f ony changs
of policy w a s

i e d u p o n o r sny decision

Governor Crissinger:

T h e next topic i s whet does

ence o f t h e past year show t o b s t h e influence
rket operations s n d reciscount trensections,
situation, o n d thst i s t h e
function o f e s c h

i n3

well-concesiv

Je w i l l h e a r f r o m Gaernor H e r d i n g

Governor Harding:

i r . Chairmen,

been
ths past year, a n d some o f t h s reports w h i c h hsve
read here this m o m i n g ,

s s e m t o show thet ordinarily t h e e
certein C s m e n d f o r

credit o n d thet a s t h e ¢ r e s e r v e b s

heir investments they are teken u p b y other
which results i n a lerger e e c t t e r
more a n c . m o r e

o f the

o n s of
$t i g 9 fact t h e t e very important function,
Reserve Banks
most important functions o f t h e F e deral


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a s @ system, l i c s

Reserve Board,

cious, quiet, n o t exactly control of, b u t inrlusnce

the discount 2nd investment merkets through the
open m a r k e t o p e r a t i o n s .

W a < k n o w thet

a t times

count r a t e is. not effective.

into t h e country,
v y discount rate, a n d th:

banks h a d a :
practically

n

e

s

s

I

t 2id not make

whether t h e
xtreme stringency,

we

the F e d e r s l R e s e r v e A c t

iesigned t o give t h e

influence o f control over
net h e d n o t besn

e x i s e y

days o f second Unite: States

eny institution since t h e
b e

of the Tressury,
System was established, following
Second B a r k o f t h e United States,

f

t is8

control which


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was m o r e o r l e s

Seos~

s

clumsy

a: D L O

ieag

esury gold,
times,

you mey

ths Tressury vould buy bonds, o r
on bonds, o r would put
speciol Japosits i n certain benks.

That policy h e s con,

o
Og

LL

evas

aeposits.

system m u s t

to operate i n both

rections;

eble i n
x s u f f i c i e n t l y Liguic Ch form s o 3 s t o b e
LL,

cency t o g o into t h e merket o n d b u y not only


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bills but short tine Treesury certificates; snd, o n the
contrary,

t o have,

i n m y opinion,

t o have a reesonables

emount invested i n short time Tressury obligations,

so

that whenever i t i s éeetneuls t o check inflationary
tencenciss,

o r a disposition o n the part o f t h e money mar-

ket t o run ewey and g o into ell kinds o f speculetive
ventures, t o have something t o put o n the market t o absorb sone o f this surplus cash.
I believe that i f the open market powers o f the sys-

tem are permitted t o g o into desuitude ond the reliance
is t o be solely upon the discount rates thet the Federal
serve S y s t e m w i l l n e v e r b e a b l e t o f u n c t i o n a s easily,
ss s m o o t h l y a n d a s e f f e c t i v e l y

a s i t would through a

judicious, w e l l co-ordinated u s e o f its o p e n merket powerse I

o out o n its
do not believe ¢ a c h bank s h o u l d g

indép end-nt program end, b y competing with other
bull i n the china shop, but there
System policy, coordinated through
e Boerd, t h r o u g h w h i c h t h e s e p o l i c i e s

cen b e carried into effect.

Governor Crissinger:
lir. Heath:

‘ i e will now hear hr* Heath,

T h e guestion i s “Whet Coes the experisnce


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9

&

:

of t h e last yesr show t o b e the influence o f open market
opsrations a n d rediscount trenssctions, re:pectively,
situation,

s n d aie’

on

i s t h e proper function o f

each i n 5 well-com eived credit policy?
I confess t o some difficulty i n endeavoring t o sup=
oly a

definite s n s w e r

this sub-topic.

t o t h e cuestion w h i c h constitutes

I t s tine limit covers t h e last year,

snd that period hes witnessed e uniformly h i g h reserve,
fluctuating between narrow limits;

i t has s e e n ¢ redis-

count rate unchanged, s n d a n gpén s i e eh rats also con-=
e¢ o n t h i r t y d s

Perheps t h e most noteworthy happening c u r
ing t h e year h a s been t h e retirement o f several o f the

benks from the Tressury Certificate sna note markets,
net reduction o f 147 millions i n certificate
since t h e constituting o f t h e cowmittse o n Investments.

I t is e a curious t h i n g t h s t curing t h e same

recis counts
S

i t m i g h t b e construed a s 9
I e m cisposed

direct i n s t e n c e

to

g5nd a n y o t h e r c o n t e n t i o n
csrtificates

were

i n considerable


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12
volume s b s o r b e c G i r e c t l y

b y t h e Treesury-=-

s n opération

into which reciscounting© “ i d not snter.
At n o time duringiD t h s

e r h e v e t h e volume o f redis-

counts o r the supply of bills been speciolly notwworthy,
>

end p r o b a b l y f i f t y p e
Girrec ely

any c h e n g e
go m u c h o n

end u n d u e e x p a n s i o n o r speculetion.

meesurebly corrected those tencti

S s without
discount r a t e

been b e l o w t h e m e r k e t r a t

rate cor customers!
situetion w h i c h s e e m s enomelous, 3 f f o z d i n g o p p o r t u n i t y

for rsciscounting f o r profi |
little o r n o u s e m a d s o f

ing the fect that membe

So f a r a s I

a m eble

A p 287% v y , t h e r e has b e e n


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13
f open market opsretions e n a rediscounting during
deratione-- h e s b e e n i n t h e rignt
1aageLae,

b u t after a l l passive,

2 s i t should b e uncer

such gsneral conditions e s have b e e n current.

A well-conceived credit policy, 29s I view it, hes
for i t s prime object t h e supporting o f business u p o n 3
“stable bssis, t h e maintaining o f reasonable rates
money,

s n d the avoidance o f extreme either

tion of inflation o r deflation,

i n t h e cirec-

F o r the eccomplishment

of such pirpoge the Federal Reserve Banks have two principai means;

nd ver

i

n a m e l y , verisnee

i n r e c d i s c o u n t rate,

n open market policy,

Nomelly,

the

first nemed i s the first t o be i n evidence, s n d its
veriation slight, incrésesing a d u e l l y a s the reserve g o s
down i n consicersble degree, e n d more rapidly i f with t h e
decressing reserve t h e r e e r e unduly merked advances

general wholesale prices o f commodities o r evidence o f
speculation i n s

k s s e c u r i ties C o n v e r s e =

reductions s h o u l d o c c u r w h e n o p p o s i t e t e n d e n c i e s a r e

manifest. A
deney, 9

gradual increase i s public notice o f 6 t e n

marked increase i s & public warning.

B o t h the

no tice a n d t h e warning a r e heed¢d i n re:erve cities a n d


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L

O

1

lerge money centers, a n d neither.are-greetly effective
in smaller a n d more cis tant communities where t h e greattr
number o f banks a r e located.
When t h e r e d i s c o u n t r a t e g l o n e f a i l s

t o sccomplish

results, resayt t o open market i n other t h e n t h e ordinery

or incidentsl way f s

most powerful factor e t

the command o f the Federsl Reserve benks, s n d undsr such

through purchase o f bills

ul securities, o r f e e d i n g t h e merket from
their o w n holdings;

e n d I fancy thet n o snormous smount

in dollers will b e need-c either way t o restore the desired equilibrium.

T o sdopt t h e expression o f o n e o f
rediscount r a t e might

If the sdmonitions o f soft speaking s r e une

b i g stick m a y prove e f ectial,
o tf the
h
LL
impact

Governor Crissinger:
I think t h e members

T h i s i s a subiect upon which

o f t h e B o s r a youlLd like t o h e a r s o r e

of t h e other Governors, a n d w e will b e glad

anyone.

f

r

o

m

M r . Wills, have you something t o
V7
T think G o v e r n o r F e n c h s r h a s c o v e r e d o u


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know,

A

t the same time, w e must k s e p i n mind e s t o
sssier t o b o r r o w m o n e y s t a n y p r i c e

than n o t b e

member benks' borrowings more
instead o f placing t h e exclus
main relisnce u p o n changes
rates.


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Ve will hear from Governor Fancher,
Governor Fancher:

l i r e Chairman,

rate influences end controls b o r r o w i n g s of member
banks o n l y i n 2 general way,
diminution

s s m e 9 s s n y other indte

or é

o

curteilment i n extension o f

e a l

r necsssity f o r

I

t i s velueless a g

2 a terpent o r control o f the borrowing b a n k i n specific
casos.
meny bonks w h i c h d o n o t fully understand
under which t h e borrowing facilities o f
in the interests

Which operates uncer

unsound policies e n d prectices.

T h e discount rate would

not control o r influence banks o f
=gsirable s n d practicable t o
the: E x a m i n a t i o n Depsrvmer

: §8

2s borrowers

gnd policy i n edministration.
The Exeminetion Departi.ent o f t h e

means o f


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eland hss been used very freely a n d with
n esdsting t o correct unsound policies
snd prectices prevailing w i t h some o f our member banks.
ended condition
ant inclined t o borrow i n excess o f its

i

c line, o u r

mine tion Department i s called upon t o mske o n investi-

56 B ameRe o s
T h e neture
its crecit policy.
Tae general character o f loans a n c clasifica-

ion e s t o various d u s t r i e s .
Cc)
‘Whether t h e officers s n d directors individuslly

through their sffilistions are using the
the bank beyond prudent limits.

whether the proper iavestigot
applicstions f o r losns, b o t h i n determining
Oe. a c iveney o f t h e snpplicant s n d the use for

which ine thegeeds are
“Ihe ther loens a r e mede o n t h e generally k n o m
sedestnn o t G a s a p p l i c a n t

i n t h e community

but with t h e purpose o f incressed revenue t o
the b a n k ,


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“has ther. t h e b a n k n e s

vho se requiremsnits

Denki=bO: - D L r O v ee
a

ts o w n customs:
community o r t o m e k e o u t s i d e l o o n s o r

ments f o r t h e sole purpose o f maki.g


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of exaninetion slong
migstion which i s furnishes,

onbisveltaen 13

y t O s u c h class

uncovered b y
‘

PCO U E S

efullyend endeavor t o
to c o r r e c t t h o s e s i t u e t i o n s .

A

t times o u r

found i t necesssry t o stqueint members o f
members

o f t h e board o f t h e bank with
to b e r a t h e r c o n f i n e d

t o the

known gencrally b y t h e Board,
SxemMLNers ,
fornstion

t o the

thet frees
fres u s e o f t h e i n f o r m a t i o n t h e t c o m e s

examinations, t h a t w e


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13
With banks.

either b o r r o w f r o m u s

thet

that t h s m e m b e r s

excessively, o r

their r i e h t s

policy o r

Fm a
rss

r

Soo G b e e

osnch
rer
e:v
F

Caves

hevs a

Us

Cp

o

t o the

miners

yy
G .o

fo not find, Governor Bailey,

b a s c o rmation i n all cases.

Governor Bailey:y
on that.
tue invormea tion

Governor F a n c i e r s

Which comes throush examin stLonsg

but we oiten i
go beyond t h a t

by national bank

thet i t becomes necessary
move complete picture o f the
' byy t h e exeminstion mece b y

the i n a x
Govsrnor F e n c n e r :

have very close coops)
ye
We

netional b e n ak
k e x e miner.


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very close

a

Governor Crissinger:

C

h

e

i

m

m

1 B

T h y

has

very c l o g e l y

re

Our c o n c l u s i o n s f r o m t h s t o p i c e r s s o e l e a r t h e t

ence, u p o n t h e
exeningstions a n d
ofitige

e n d cirectors w i t h

member b s n k b o r r o w entirely f e e s i b l e

to

ur o w n examina-

Depertmant,
ider &
t

err O42 0 1 4 0 I N S

i] r e p o r t s

Nee

h

o : examina

scount l o a n s
benks

hres f a c t o r s

e inrorme-


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factors are, first, t h e condition o f
the character e n d ebility o f
management, i n c l u c i n g

directors

of the member benk, a n d the familia 6
with its sifsirs,

end

n

s physical conditions i n the
Ye naturally must base
benks which show 6

expand their loans s n d which have t h e
dvantege o f lerge rediscount loens a t the ies sdersa
It occurs

t o m e thet w e must n o t loss

stnen te lL fact, w h i c h a.nlies t o all member banks,
solvency

at

equontly
the

vicinity w h i c h a r e d o i t
seme c l s s o f business cirectly under t h e same c m nditions.
Ye find one bank i n =

commnity t h e t i s rather

“26 t o ons cause o r snother, a n d snother bonk
running s l o m i n = very comfor table position,
uncerteke t h a n s l y z e t h e difference i n the environing c o n d i t i o n s

o f business f o r t h o s e t w o

Sometimes w e find that o n e benk i s not props rly


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sufficient a m o u n t o f c r e d i t t o i t s c o m m u n i t y

to unloaG o n the other instituttons, b u t
we wast bear i n mind the fect that regardless o f that
fact t h e other institution i s not necessarily compelled
to feel called upon t o carry 2 1 1 t h e burdens o f the cormunity.

From the reports o f examinations, 9 n d the additional
information slong t h e seme lines,

i t seems t o m e that w e

nonshould sive d u s considsration t o 6 proportion o f
e s thet
eligible peper i n the bank note case, 4 s well
which i s eligible f o r rediscount.

i

n

a >
s

d

bank
thet thecause of large lines i n tho Federel reserve
carry paper which
is morely t o provide funds t o finence o r

character,
43 more o r less o f a n undesirable o r non-liguid
refore, t h a t simply s n d solely b y
to
of t h e fact that s member b a n k m a y b e able

that we
submit t o us eligible e n d acecptable paper,
reason.
should extend its lins aelery f o r that
t o o high a regard
There has probably b e e n i n t h e past
reserve banks t o
for t h e legal obligation o f t h e Federal
rediscount f o r m e m b e r banks.

Y

e a r e rather inclined

to

u n i t a n d t h e reserve b a n k
consider t h e member b a n k a s t h e


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of credit, e n d that only a fsir proporreasonable proportion o f i t s loans s h o u l d e
b re-

flected i n our own note case. P e r s o n a l l y I cen see n o
warrant f o r any cifference i n the quality o f credit which
may b e extended t o e member b y the Federsl reserve bank

than e n individual, f i r m or corporation b y the member bak,
I think

d i f f e r e n c e i n i t fundamentelly.

Line o f credit paper a s ordinarily referred t o is
2 frequent source o f expansion o f léams and naturally the
expansion o f the rediscount lines.

T h a t i s a factor

that can be easily, o r more o r less readily determined
from the reports o f examinstions,

b y comparison between

two series o f reports o f examinations.

Due regard m s t slways b e had for the bank's ability, a 8 measured b y capital end surplus, towards Liquide
tion a n d recuperation.
be e x t e n d e d

I

n one community t h e loans c a n

i n greatsr v o l u m e b y r e a s o n o f t h e recupsra-

tive powers o f that particular community.

W e must b e

careful, too, i n not encouraging the holding o f goods a t
high prices,

t o conduct 8

sound sconomge policy o f fre-

ayuent turn-over a n d small margin,
rgetting i n t o a

t o prevent very easily

situation o f speculation,

I

n discussing


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the influence o f t h e rate a s 2 measure o f credit,
thought which believes t h a t t h e r e i

8f

rate should h i s h e r t h a n t h e open msrket rate.

inclined t o agree with thet, with some gualifi
an academic discussion o f that rule leaves f e w

vulnerable points, b u t the test comes i n a n 5
precticeal
application o f t h e rule.
i
d

4
t r t e r m “open market rate" e s i t
l
u
o
h
sdefine
{
perhaps

may b e a o p l i e d t o t h e p r i c e o f m o n e y o r c r e d i t sccoimmo da~

tion i n the United States, s n d w e find a sort o f coimon
denominator,

A

s 9 practical matter I

co n o t believe t h e

open market rete i s t h e rate a t wnich t h e individual berks
accormmodet: their customers, t h o u g h i n cach district t h e e
t o s p p r o a c h 4 a level.

N o r

is a

tendency f o r s u c h r a t e s

do I

believs t h a t t h e s v e r a g e o f s u c h r a t e s c o n s t i t u t e

the o p e n m a r k e t r a t e ,

o r t h a t i t i s correct t o s a y t h a t

there i s a n o p e n m a r k e t

i n each district distinct f r o m

such rates i n other districts, b u t thet t h e open m e
rate i s the r e t e st w h i c h banking institutions,
and o t n e r s

idle funds against psper o f unquestioned solvency a n d
and o n which borrowers a n d dealers, w h o a r s


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constent borrowers o f funds,
snd therefore i t may reé
are apoliceable t o t h e c o u n t r y a s

fluctuations a r e csuged b y the e b b end f l o w o f those furs
from one section t o another i n perfect relation t o t h e
and
importsyand exports o f golé snd t h e seasonal cips
different sections.
Iem n o t i n fevor o f a n orbitrery uniform rate o f
rether belisve uniformity

ai scount a . e l l cisirtetss I

s h o u l d coms f r o m the
and f l o w o f f u n d s f r o m o n e C i s t r i c t

B

t o snother.

Esteroubirg

such h i
m

rates obteinins,

p

o s

c

p

e

te T h e
rediscount rate t o control t h e volume o f credi

have
rediscount rates, whether high @ low, undoubtedly
in the
an influence o n borrowing, b u t such influence i s
egricultursl dist

a

n

c 6

vis p r a c t i c a l l y only

rediscounts
noticeable effect, i s o n v o l u m e o f
centers,
py t h e larger b a n k s s t t h e f i n a n c i e l

ena

ine t h e Le o n
such b e n k s c o m p a r e t h e r e d i s c o u n t r a v e
aistriet w i t h t h o s e s v a i l a b l e

i n o t h e r centers.

conform
While t h e r a t e i n e s c h d i s t r i c t s h o u l d


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pats
the supply o f credit svoileble a t
yank, m y opinion i s thet t h s reciscount v e
more t h a n s

and c a m o t b e considsred
volume o f credit e t any given
point f r o m which recession m a y b e expseted t o set in.
In conclusion, I

might s e y thet i t i s our theory a t

Dalles B a n k thet w e must treat
that w e must treat t h e petient
book.
Governor Crissinger:

T h e third topic f o r “is cussion

Rediscount rates.
dow f o r general cis cussion, u n d e r Topic A ,
and Governor Harcuing.

shall
read, Governor Young?
Governor Young:
GO S O .

Mr. Martin:

u c h o f t h e past discussion o f

subject, w l r e s t i n g o n d of v a l u e i n prepsring our
sobtled
minds f o r a time which m a y possibly c o m e when 4


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discount policy i s possible, hse
ficient i n present practical value.
ged from the w a r period, a n c i n 4 i

s u c h 3s

T represent, w h e r e there a r e more t h a n 6 0 million
of deposits p

i n a large number o f insoldigcount rete policy

vent rural banks, t h e u e s =

4g s n intensely practical business problem.

After careful considsrstion, t h e Advisory Council,
factors governing t h e sstablishment o f discount rates:
Federal Reserve System
as a whole.
The reserve position o f the Federal Reserve
Bank, whose rate i t i s contemplated t o changs,.
The condition o f 2 1 1 t h e benks o f t h e country
as 8 whole, a n d o f t h e seversl Federal reserve
districts.

he economic
nationel standpoint.

World conditions, b o t h economic anc political.
The e v e n t u a l e s t a b l i s h m e n t

of 3

reciscount r a e

higher t h a n t h e prevailing commercial rate,


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Uniformity o f rates, w h i c h according t o its
fudgment might b e prectical a n d acsirable a t
times b u t s h o u l d n o t b e a d o p t e d a s e @ fixed

poilcy.

In certain o f the reserves districts there i s sharp
devistion from the general sverage of t h e condition o f
banks for the nation 9 s a whole.
which nscessa +

T h i s iss

fvects t h e m materially i n their cis-

count rate policies. E e o n o m i c a n d financial conditions
deviate quite 9 s sharply i n certein districts from c o n d i
tions i n the country a t lerge.

T h e s e two situations

add emphesis t o t h e Advisory Committse's l a s t clause refer
ring t o the inadvisability o f uniform rates a s 2 f
policy.

h e r e a r e very s h e r p differences b e t w e e n t h e

current m a r k e t r a t e i n t h e e a s t e r n a n d w e s t e r n hselves o f

the Ninth District, a n d 9 still more pronounced
the New
as b e t w e e n t h e w e s t e r n h a l f o f t h e d i s t r i c t a n d

York ares, e n d between other sections o f t h e country.
It has always seemed t o m e that uniformity i e Sg
Seferred until 3

time w h e n there i s uniformit

conditions i n t h e United States.
that t h e existing &c o n d i t i o n s

i : think £ 6 16

i n e a c h Federal r e s e r v e


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at least,
rate changes t h a n
factor. I

make t h e s e s t a t e m e n t s w i t h

the fact t h a t with t w o
et t h e p r e s e n t t i m e o n :

the entire

s s s e s o f paper throughout

e r a l Reserve System. I

should say, a t

the s a m e time, t h a t I think this i s the result o f unusual
conGcitions. I
low a

should herdly b e inelined t o fevor s s

rate 3 s f o w e n d o n e - h e l f p e r c e n t i n t h e N i n t h

ageinst current rates o f five
end s i x per cent, i f there were n o t the most
urgent business r
Sistsnce

t o member

nocessitics

b s|

of 0 :

tion, h e v e influcnced

»

sdvantageous
more t h a n a n y o t h e r c o n s i d e r e -

t h e establishment o f t h e present

rate f r o m one t o one o n d a helf per cent below t h e manke

at the centers, a n d substentially below the svcrage r é
in the rural dis tricts.
Meny o f o u r m e m b e r s a r e i n t h e u t m o s t d i f f

Their outldok i s thoroughly ciscoursging, a n c there
Little preser.t hope o f any buidding u p o f desposits
any v e r y s u b s t a n t i a l r e d u c t i o n o f l o a n s e n d discounts.


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1

1

These b a n k s m u s t w e a t h e r t h r o u g h b y s o m e p r o c e s s

s
t o mors

favorable times, e n d i t seems t u me there i s not only a
legal, b u t s

moral o b l i g a t i o n

o n t h e part o f o u r bank t o

extend t o them all the help w e can upon terms that are
ecvantagsous
Les 6

t o them,
reactions followings t h e war h a c spent t u s h
sariculture, benking e n d

had becoms resdiusted t o »

positions t h e y will occup

in the future, I should feel thet our rate should b e brai ght
level more nearly apsrosching t h s average o f rates
by banks

t o t h e i r r e g u l a r customers.

8 very a b l e paper printed i n loee, m y colleeguse
Giscussion eslled strention t o t h e following f a c
tors sumgested b y the Boerd, w h i c h should b e considered
in erriving a t what i s the current rate f o r money:

1. Retes cherged b y banks t o their regular custom-

Rates f o r one-neme poper bought through n o te
brokers,

Open market rates o n benkers' acceptances.
Retes o n Treasury certificates.
I think t h e t these e r e fsctors which i t i s necessary


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into cons id-re t i o n , .
c
n
a
iscount l e v e l

s h o u l de
b brous:

to r e t e s t h u s
we wuncouk t e d

reserve
fluctuations o f the |

s

ere very Little

the rurel conmminities,
majority o f t h e member benks.
losn rste changes b u t very
dis count r a t e

3oe-csllea current
to t h e centers,

w o t h n e r 1t

Sl@ u i i e e o w e :
OO t a p e o e a

PSS, U n e
reserve
the r e t e

rr

t

y ba reserves

by the n o n - i m e n b e r s f r o m t h e country,
t h a t t h e sverage &rate charged o n country
mossible
is
&


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% L V
r
eservs

a

e

p

o

a

t

rediscouns

e

a

r a

t

1 ss t h e c u r r a n t r e t e o n t h e
serve tions

Miya.

to% be

Bre eos:
shoulda n o t

netursl rssources ac:
2

to t h e n e

t t h e same time, t h e cdigcount rate

level should not b e l o w enough t o encoursge reciscounting

by t h e m f t h e profit involved
In a western cistrict s u c h 8 s ours,

volume o f cresit sné regerves ought t o be
:

LACES

L

e “ a r r i v i n gOo 2 c

gnd discounts o f &

benks

t h e &

s a t e s o f Minnesota,

North Dekots, South »okots e n d sonvent, w h i c h s r e much
in t h e p u b l i c

o n e

n e p r e s e n t t i m e o n account

tress i n egriculture, 2

d

to 543,910,000.

o f dis


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esmounted t o 31,291,°00,000.
per cent i n the volume o f credit
customers, p e r t o f whihh wes netural

inflation,
to. come.

T h e

8g this s h o u

discount level s s 9 warning

pronpt,

net only b y prompt s n d vigorous ection c a n the rate b e
an e f f e c t i v e werning.
fsetors t h e t o b s t r u c t =

free p l a y o f t h e w a r n i n g

Count r e v e = ¢ A

copepake.
om m a s t b e c o n s

fect t h a t t h e r e i s s o m e u e s t i o n

a s t o whether

e
m
influence w i t h a9 n o n - b o r r o w i n g n
2g i t s i n f l u e n c e w i t h a
rily m a i n t s i n s

There c a n b e n o q u e

count r a t e edvances a s wernings t

g e n e r a l public,

which seems t o plane a n undue importonce u p o n them, o r of


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influence u p o n t h e c y r r e n t r a t e s t t h e centers.

reful discrimination, n o t
process b u t u p o n t h e stspping-

experience would indicate that i t ds desirable t o
slter discount rates e s infrequently a s possible. ‘ W h i l e
they heve 2 limited effect upon rates charged b y rural
benks t o their customers, t h e y msaterislly sfrect public
I also hola t h e view that when i t bécones
necessary t o alter t h e rate levek, t h e changes

conveyed t o the public with 9 cle‘r snd precise statomon
as t o the ressons thersfor.
As s

generel consid:ration,

i t sopears

t o m e that

experience i n my own district at lesst has proven that
59discount r a t e policy i s somethin”

Gaa
itaie &OLB age2S,
~

formulate snd determine i n sdvance.

O u r credit policy

the
has been very lergely indicated t o us by some o f
factors I

have mentione<,

a s they have éeveloped fron

time t o time, e n d i t i s ciffi

1 t t o sse h o w a sound

vhich i s
rate policy coulda depart v e r y much f r o m that
formileted o r # t l e a s t s t r o n g l ; i n d i c a t e d b y c o n d i t i o n s
within t h e r e s e r v e district.


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The r a
an importsnt fector, a n c
gstricts t h a t s r e wholly o r
Character, t h e t i

r

a

b

e t h a t discount r e t e levels

l

meintdined s t epproximetely t h e seme point, since i t
clésr thst s lover rete i n = contiguous district
apolications
drive c r e d i t

i n large volume

f r o m home.

At the present time, i n

been progressing steedily for some months,
ming industry 1 s soing t o come bec:

i n tins,

it mey reauire f r o m two t o five years
fore m e n y o f o u r m e m b e r s c2:. Ssceass

ent esrrying

U n i c r these conditions,

it eppsers more t h e n ever
a

Dolicy s h o u l d b e eppliea,

=

inBSa spi

~

£ friendly coo;

In t h e vorkinr ia|o u t o f @ Giscount policy

Ed

that t h e control exercised b y t h e discount o r


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of. psper oftenticss
syie@ purposs 4

rete a

e b i l i t y t o 9ca9}

perticular cose. W h i l e the rate

must epply t o ell banks irrespective o f t h e rstes t h e y
cherge, Giscretion i n s h e seceptance o r rejection o f
much t h e s e m e purpose.

As t o the effect o f tho rete, whether high o r low,
upon t h e volume o f borrowings,

i t cpoysars t o b e clear t o

me thet the rate hes preeticslly n o influence and that
in times such e s those since lete 1920, n o rate within
reason v o u l d s e e m t o o h i g h o r o p e r s t e 9 s a
e

c

vine m e m b e r
t no ea nu appl
l
f
n vdisates,

The c o n t r o l

use o f jucgment 3

d s terr<

i n necesssitous cizrcun-

i n s u c h cases m u s t r e s t u p o n t h e

G i s e r e t i o n b y t h e discount o r execu-

Give C O l m A c t e s .

the moristy,
oreparatory s t e p m i g n

rate level t o the level o f t u s merket o t

This would imso0se n o hencicap upon the lerge

since in losning to the country on colloterel sé
hey C o n o t l o e n ¢

a c e t

rate b u t a t 9

rete t h e t i s


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I t would somewnat r e d u c e t h e spresd

gonewast higher.

r u r a l rate t o ber-

between t h e rediscount r a t e a n d

Governor Crissiager: G o v e r n o r Harding, y o u gre down
for 9 Giscussion o f this subjcct.

Governor Harding:

l i r e Cheirmen, I E think there i s

ne theory, w h i c h w e s spoken o f @
e

early days o f the System, t h a t a

«

e ciscount vr

n

ploded, s n d

X

e or could h e m a c
Reserve S y s t e m s h o u l d b

current going rate for money.

T a s t theory i s sound

we
enough i n principle, e n d i t ssems t o b e correct i f
understend correctly w h a t t h e going rate f o r monsy is.
t

the current open m e r s

a

e

n I concede
isrve discount

rate above 6

e n mi

S

E

s

n o t only possible,

the
but I think i t desirable t o have i t somewhet sbove
open m a r k s t r a t e ;

b u t o n looking t h e country o v e r 3 n d

rates
on seeing t h e number o f cities w h i c h have contrect
see i t i s ab9s h i g h s s t e n e n d t w e l v e p e r cent, y o u c a n
>
that
solutely impossible t o have ® varying discount rate

will absolutely s h u t o u t r e c s

n

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"st many banks o f e n y
facilitiss

o f the Federal Reserve
wiscomn
o t h e subzsct

thon thsy had.

B u t I think w e

s c c u s t o m ourselves

4

reduction

Ln

b e s t customsrs.

CO.+-bheo

Boston, m o s t o f the
their b e s t c u s t o m e r s

s t four s n d s

half

g a s Be
to four 2 n d 9 nalf p e r cont, e n c las
Februsry, l a s t ntensously t h s current rate t o best bor~owers i n the Boston benksrss werked u p t o

ib esems t o be generally expsetec thet
in t h e B o s t o n b e n k s

per cent s

6

t h e reciscount

Now, t h e open merket rate h e s a mich broscer


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proteset t n e o p e n m s

merket trensactions t h o t
behnks a r e limitec t o purcheses
or “ere s livose 1 a

instrument;

W

e

s une

I think i t
pee d
W
he Psderal Reserve Act.
those sections o f t h e Federel R e s e r v e A c t
rolete t o benltsrs ecesptences w i l l snow very
mov esment

sna t h e t

is ons phese o f

because m y
efforts
benefit

of

sesinst
oO

t h e reciscount rats,

For instance, ¢ shipper o f cotton will ‘rew o n


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Treasurer o f a New England mill a t sight, with,docuiments
sttached. T h e t i s usually preferred paper.

N o w , t h s crawer

of the draft is sometimes requested i:, te b e the crewer
elso o f a stbety d s y draft, w h i c h i s atteched t o t h e sight

craft e n d the ninety day draft secured b y documents.

o do that.
some cases he declines t
heve n o thing t o d o with that;

I n

H e says, “No, I

t h a t i s your business. I

will ‘raw a sight draft, a n d i f you want somebody t o draw

a hinety day draft get somebody else t o do it; I will
not d e it; h e r e s r e t h e documents, insurance policics

everything"; s o the mill treasurer, srrengements Rave
been made with seme bank t o accept, w i l l g o snead

himself end ‘raw a ninety day draft, with bill o f lading
for t h e cotton attached.

T h e n that draft goes into t h e

bank, vhich immediately puts t h e bank o n inquiry 4 s t o

the nature of the transection and ss to whether or not
goods.
ninety d a y s i s r e q u i r e d f o r t h e moment o f t h o s e

thst i n
The Board has ruled o n two o r three occassions
t o the
domestic acceptances t h e r e must 0 S sore relation
time required f o r t h e completion o f shipment.

er

W

e had

t h e other dsy where a cotton broker i n Norfolk,

Virginie, d r e w e

sight dreft o n “a: Boston mill treasurer,


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with cocuments ettecl

2

9

e n d the cocuments contained a

by the mill treasurer o n
with 2 bill o f l s ing f o r t h e cotton
Ceyse

T h e cotton w a s t o go z i

t

o Boston b y steemer,

which “sgt take probsbly three days. F r o m Boston i t
vas going o u t t o nearby points i n New Hompshire, w h i c h

roulc not require more then sbeut a week, a n d the mill
treasurer,

o n being interrogated, s a i d “ h y , sometimes

we get i t i n two ncsks, a n d then it i s sonceivable thet
it might teke ninety cays."
5 strike o r 2

o f course, only 3 longshore

strike o n t h e

ninety dsys, o n d we turned thet beck,
think

thet is 3

o e

proper u s e o f t h e s c c e p t e n c e nerket,

T will t o u c h m o r e b r i e f l y

co

‘ Y e do not

o n esnother m a t t e r

i s the metter of uniformity of rates 91
sl retes.

uniformity
there w e e =

T !

e

w i s explicit i n its

i n ell districts
veriencs

i s n o t required.

i n t h e rates,

A G . A A D Ss

b u t t h e recent t e n d e m y
he various c i s tricts.

not ,iseuss t h e t , bseceuse i t i s o u t o f n y p r o v i n c e;6

he mitter o f preferentiel rates w e s experimented w i t h


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al
by t h e Boerd,

snd 1

want t o l e y d o w n t h i s thought:

Based o n experience, b o t h e n snd off t h e board, w i t h re-

: e n t i e l rates within the cistricts o n vaerlesses o f paper.

B o t h the banks and the Board 9re

sllowed t o esteblish verious rates o n various classes
of paper. I

d o n o t b e l i e v e t h e p r e f e r e n t i a l r e t e shoulda

fferences i n mater’ then. T h e t

gsems t o me t e b e 9 logicsl snd scientific besis. i
preferential rates e r e d-sired,

4

i t may b e that short tire

peper, meturing i n thirty days, i s entitled t o a better

yete then ninety cay paper, provided you sre sure the
‘thirty G s y psper i s going t o b e paid;

b u t the giving o f

e preferential rate o n cif erent classes o f securities,
I think i s bsd practice.
I shall content myself b y saying thet I

read t h e

letter which Seeretery Gilbert scdaressed t o t h e Bosrd

lest August with e greet ceal o f interest, a n d some disT confess myself utterly unable t o follow h i m
his erguments, e n d I think i t i s a n unsound theory

sdvwoceting. I

believe i t is inconsistent with

h policf t h e t he himself,

o n behalf o f the Treesury,

has announced, t h a t they desire t o sell Treasury certi-


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Treasury c e r t i f i c s t e s c o e s

impetus t o t h e merket, o n d i t meens
lowes
going t o use that because t h e y want t o g e t t h e
rate possible,
Governor Crissingesr: G e n t l e m s n ,

w e will teks a

recess a t this time until 2:30 o'clock this sfternoon.

(Thereupon,

a t 1 : 5 5 o ' c l o c k p . m%., & @ recess W a s

token until 2:30 o'clock p . m

The Joint Confere

h

o f t h e same Gay.)

e Federal Rese

with t h e Governors e n d
t o the
Fedcral Reserve Banks reconvened, pursuant

ng of recess, 4

: 4 5 o'clock p. m..

Governor Crissinger:

W

e will n o w t a k e u p topic

III-B.
Under Secretery Gilbert's letter o f
August 3 , 1925, regarding differential
commercisl
between r e d i s c o u n t r e t e f o r
benkers
paper s n d o p e n m o r k e t r a t e f o r
scceptsncese

hear

1

3

2

We w i l l f i r s t f r o m G o v e r n o r S e a y .

Governor Seay:

M r . Chairman, I

listened t h i s morn-

ing t o t h e expression o f views, w h i c h a r e s o identical
with m y o w n t h a t I

was r e m i n d e d

o f t h e fuct that w e have

always found there that there were g o many o f u s who

thinks alike o n many of these subjects, that i t is difficult t o tell our thoughts f r o m others,
able t o s p e a k w i t h a

my o w n views, I

s o i n order t o b e

measurable d e g r e e o f i n d e p e n d e n c e

will merely mention that I sketched t h e m

out l a s t nighte-

I have read Secretary Gilbert's letter two o r three
times a n d I

do not think t h e subject o n the prsgram ex-

actly O x p r e s s e s t h e Proposition,

The purpose of Secretary Gilbert's letter as I
Lnverpret i t i a t o e e

i s k e i t h e r n o w o r later a

preferential r e d i s c o u n t r a t e f o r p a p e r s e c u r e d

ernment certificates o f indebtondness.
posal m o r e p l a u s i b l e

b y Gov-

I t makes t h e pro-

t o bulk together bankers acceptances

and certificates o f indebtedness, a s he dows.
In t h e d i s c u s s i o n

from time t o time a

o f rediscount

rates

a n d polisy

very proper distinction h a s b

between t h e c o n s i d e r a t i o n s

whichshowlé t
e given t h e rate-

On commercial o r line o f credit paper a n d those which


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the rete o n that liquid class o f paper repre!

sccesptences
'
s
rw h i ceh a rke purchssed
n
e
in
b the
t

except

ve B a n k
o
Reser
Ne
n o w r e d i s c o u n t s d k b y any
n

Dn
ay

ie = aint

ficetes o f “ e p t e d
yarks

o

n

o

t b e purcnasead i n the open

but m u s t b e r e ddiscounted.

yresents t h e subject i n a

per sseurse b y certi-

M r Gilbert's letter &

very c o n f u s e d menner.

If Federsl Reserve Banks wsre left entirely f r e e t o
y s and
u
obligations,such
b
e s cert
d sell Treasury
of i n é s b t s d n e s s

e n d other s h o r t t i m e Government obligation

the m a t t e r c o u l d b e G a l t w i t h i n a

t diffiqlties.
u
o
h
t

and
y

icates

tfor iestablishing
s
s
e
c

d b y certificates
e
r

i

satisfactory m a n n e r

ew is,r in mey judgment,
h
T

no

9 e prngfe rential rate o n paper

o uf ince!c

s

s
vwnoen t h

ran r e d i s c o u n t i n g

distinction between p
sbhility c n d resources e n d
or between t h e mals
and

o f psper o f nstional

p s p e r o f poor fermers,

The only cistinction thst wes mad- wes betwee
t m a t ur
r i t y con c

long
h meturity.
s


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pepsr, b u t i t proved unsatisfactory.
The conside stions which govern t h e establishment
= reciscount r a t e o n commorcl: =

s r e munerous

snd of s eomplex nature, end the opinion
if not b y ¢1l suthoritiss t h a t a uniform
na

osrts o f t h e wountry i s neitnsr proctical

It is not logical nor justifisble.
The present r a t e i s uniform, b u t i t wes n o t b y
concerted sction o r cosign, b u t ssems t o heve * s e n t h e
ecnerol recognition t h a t u n c : rall t h e circumbusiness
esrate a s was economiczlly justifioble, a n d i t
the sep are te action o f Reserve B a n k Boerdas t h a t

“nd e helf per cent rate wes arrived at.

I t is

course known t o sll that t h e ratc i s below t h e market
comercial paper,

s n a has b e e n

Tt i s t o b e G o u b t e d v h e t h e r f o r a
time

t o tome t h e reserve

above the merket;

t

long

bank

e

s vary too widely, e n d i t

is not improbsble t h e t t h e merket rate would keep i n
73

advence o f t h e r e s e r v e b e n k r a t e f o r c r e d i t

market i s meant t h e price which business &

willing t o p y


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credit w h e n

i t neeos i t .

coursé,
are accustomed

t h a n benks
b e made higher
oe

n a r e s results custoriers.

I t 2

rate d o s s n o t s x e r c i s e 2

great influence u p o n t h s rats
to their customers, except i n the
reserve besnk rediscount rate
menersilly b e fixed f o r t h e a c o .modetion o f business s n d
the protection o f reserves.
It has f r guently b e e n stated t h a t i t i s cesire
ip ths open merket rate, puether f o r bankers
snces o r Treasury certificetes f r e
fluences, e n d b y 68 P i e c e ) A n t is
mesnt t h e i n i e c t i o n o f
2
tion w i t h o u t e c o n o m i c w a r r a n t .

Thers can bs n o economic warrant for fixing & ‘pteq
of
ferentisl b a n k rate o n peper secured b y certificates
indebtedness or, |
vestment markst,

a p s , anythins else.

I t i s t h e in-

o r t h e abundance o r lsck o f free capital

should
in the merket f o r short time investments w h i c h
is, o f courss understood t h a t t h e
ca


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essrve b e n k purchsss o r open market r a t e should gensrabove ¢

r a t e i n order

t o prseve:t u n l o s d i n g o n

Reserve b a n k s s n d f o r t h e p x s e r v a t i o n o f t h e o p e n

agMr°® Gilbert states,

tascens

been i n s t r u m s n t s

o f inf

a

n

d Stilt

peic for b y
smount o u t s t e n d

thet t h e y w e s c r e a t e d

snd i t i e balievecé that public finencing
sndhas b e e n c o n c u c t e d
7

with g r e a t still. #

t h e smount outstending w e r e a s
ly was, t h e avilts-waith m i s t f o l l o w

referential r a t e w o u l d b e j u s t a s m s n i f e s t

e s wes

ferential r a t e o n other government obli-


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tions w h i c h c s m e
sbween n o v
and t h e n e

thc merketing o f t h e
be peic f o r

muintmmn inject much greater ortificiality.

I

t hes

e t h e chief purcnsses,
srgued t h e t city benks w o u l d b
purchesed f o r investment et t h e beginning, t h e y
in s h o r t e m s r g e n c i s s

snd the contention might b e reised t h e t t h e city benks
slone w e r e i n position t o get chssp monsy.
thet t h e e n é w h i c h h r , G i l b e r t

banks sltogether i r e s
open merket.

T e i464 nett B F

to successful operation f o r
to e x e r c i s e s o m e c o n t r o l o v e r c u r r e n t o r

Gilbert states t h a t he sees n o
fof e n sfvance i n the discount rate, h e conten
possibility o f such s n savencs w h e n h e wrote
There now s o w a r s rather t h e possibility t h e t
may b e c o m e m o r e abundant,

s n d t h e present s e e m s 2


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opportunity

3

t o establish a

ing certificates,

8

f o l d u p o n t h e market b y acquir-

i n orcer that t h e means

ofa]absorbing excess imarket funds b y selling
if s n é w h e n f u n d s b e c o m e recuncant.

sent r o o m between the r e c i s c o u r t r a t e sna@ the open merkst
rats t o ellow i

r e f e r e n t i a l rediscount r a t e o n
To p u t u p t h e r e d i s @ m u n t

on commercis) p a p e r f o r t h a t purpose w o u l d e
b folly;

on

the other hand, i t might not b e wise t o lower orbitrarily
the open merket rate. G e n e r a l l y
bsnks should follow t h e market.
The m e c h s n i s m i s n o w i n w o r k i n g o r c e r
reserve b a n k s t o a c t 9 8 a

unit i n opén merk

end such operations should b e left t o their composite

T h e r e sre other important considerations.

jucgmen

Open m e r k e t r o t e s c a n b e c h a n g e d f r o m w e e k t o week,

at 4

H

G

m

e emergencies, a n d the public w u l d
Tt w o u l d e t t r a c t

n o sttsntion.

recdiscount r a t e e v e r

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sblish o preferential r a t e o n certiricates
would take o u t o f the h a n d

o f t h e reserve banks t h e t

control over t h e scquisition which i g hishl- desirable.
To purchsse t h e m i n the open market i s s yoluntary «ct.
n
u b y preference i n rate
are attracted f a r e d i s @ m t

they will be acquired a t the will o f tho W o k e ,

o r the

offering banks.
Governor Crissinger:

T

e will now. hser f r o m Gover-

nor Strong.

tir. Harrison: G o v e r n o r Strong hes ssked m e to: read

certein extretts frome letter which hewrote to
of t h e B o e r d w i t h r e g e r d t o t h e subject,

Seebaveay i n g r e a t rdetail t o t h e Conferencs
Ors.
Ur, Gilbert h a s writte.
difficult metter, ! 3

a t length upon

c o e s n o t quite meke clear t o

one excetly waat i s i n his o w n mina e s t o our money market,
London
how n s uncarsts ics i t compares w i t h London e n d the
boenk rete n o r how h e recommends t h e t w e opsrate.
sp.ears t o b e this:

Y

O u r

e reacn t h e merket

through t w o svenues:
Pirst:

U n d e r Section 13, b y @iscounting o n y sort o f


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SL
eligible paper f o r our members a t t h e present t i m e a t
uniform r s t e o f f o u r 3 n d o n e - h a l f p e r cent.

cherged b y our member t o its custoier,
peper, h a s n o r e l a t i o n

T h e rate

o r borne b y t h e

t o o u r t r e n s a c t i o n w h e t ver.

ling t o a member -

o n t h e member's obligation- e n d

its credit must actually i n our practice (although n o t
x

so thsoretically)

b e a s g o o c e s t h a t o f a n y o t h e r member.
;

ae ‘

Tt i s n o t t h e v a l u e o f t h e mer

eustomer's c r e d i t o r promise

t o p a y w h i c h s h o u l d be meas-

ured b y our rate; i t i s the goneral condition o f crecit
t

t h t moment, wa h i c h shoulc

a

*
Ls

atermins

t h e uniform rate

to cherge t o sll members, irrespsetive o f
Lecure

the

ond irrespective o f t h e size o r goodness o r location
e

e

r

o

f t h e b o r r o w i n g member.

B u t thse prin-

ciple o f s uniform rate f o r 211 losns t o memb>rs o f t h e
same m e tur ity i s sound, u n d s r o u r System,

a n d unescsp-

The only justification for dirfere:
discount r e t e s t o members i s a

fferent maturities.

This

you know I have always conten
Second.

T h e other evenu

we buy peper e t the market rate.

u n d e r section 14, where
T o b é sure, w e sre a t


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syce buyers ( o r sellers) e s t o influences
But w e n o w a l w a y s b u y a t t h e
reso. c t i v e f u n c t i o n s

w

Under 5 s n

o f t h e t w o operetions

e o r e r e d i t t o all e p oli-

mbers) s % our uniform Giscount rete, within
if they collsctively
too m u c h o u r p r o t e c t i o n

i s t o sdvences o u r rate.

ve mey consicer o u r involuntary loans t o t h e
2 con-rol.
only b u y o r sell 2 s w e ears moved
to < o s o b y t h e various considerations affecting o u r
>

policy.

T h o s e a r e t h e voluntary loans

h

e merket,

controlled b y o u r policy.
Mr e

which/Gilbert shoul: refor but
should b e those between t h s uniform <iscount rets, o n
(Section 1 3 ) s n d t h s vsrious v o l u n t a r y b u y i n g

rstes,

o n the other hsnd (Section 14).
The corresponcencs between t i e London market ( t}
es
Smclena) e n d

eesury obligations.

T h e y borrow


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somewuet

3 s t h e bill houses b o r r o w f r o m t h e Bank

voluims i s unimportsnt e n d beyond t h e t
ends, 3

¢snnot rely f o r our control

contect w i t h t h e
this e f f o r d s

2 n d from now o n must

i n

our voluntery genersl operstions, u n d e r Section 14,

hope t o show convincingly later i a this letter.

unebioned,
ses w h e r s i

s a n t ’ troubls

wider d i f f e r e n t i s

n e n o u r press:

a half per cent) e i o u r buying
4 (sey Zour t o four s n d e helf p e r cent) i t
just b e e r s a t e d b y o n e o f tyvo coursss-- e d v e n c e t h e d i s -

o the level o f the line o f
count rete more n e s r l y t

wholly unsoune
14 b y buying below t n e
roposals I
present.

T

o sdvence o u r discount r a t e u p o n

sceins t o m e unnecessary a n d CSeiedn..bo
any cless o f paper
<
esuse eslarm s n c trouble -

t o d u c e o u r buying

would b s un: n d s n d infletionary.

This s a m c w i l l - o - t h e - w i s p

o f reducing buying rates

and o f p r e f e r e n t i a l d i s c o u n t r a t e s w a s p u r s u e d v i g o r o u s l y

and w i t h disastrous results during 1919 b y the Treasury
and y o u have their written recommendations of, that time
in y o u r files,

as I

have i n mine, u r g i n g t h a t w e r e d u c e

rates o n bills a n d Treasury certificates,

a s a n alterna-

tive t o o u r o w n r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s t h a t b o t h o u r d i s c o u n t
rates a n d t h e T r e a s u r y b o r r o w i n g r a t e s s h o u l d b e advanced.

There are, however, s o m e points regarding o u r open
market operations w h i c n I

a m hoping that y o u a n d your

colleagues w i l l c o n s i d e r v e r y seriously.

L e t m e just sketch

out t h e points.

lst.

T h e r e i s a n cainost demand that o u r policy

should b e a d d r e s s e d

t o p r i c e regulation.

M

y views h a v e

not changed, e v e n after m a c h reflection, t h a t s u c h a n
openly p u b l i s h e d a n d a c c e p t e d p o l i c y w o u l d c o u r t d i s a s tere

F o w people

c a n grasp that dirierence between

"eenoral price level” a n d "prices",

commodity prices.

th s

the

individual

H a d w e been the “price fixers" h o w

earnestly would w e have teen importuned this year t o “put


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waeat",
avery atteck not o n l y
mocity, b u t s s t o
woulc b e e s much
Let u s stick t o credit reguletion, anda use p r i s t u c i e s

a

one o f our guidss until g o l comes into
amit t h a t prices m i s t responce t o Salat eae ANe Rea 82%

n

d

1 S Y l u -

ences which alweys h e v e
but endeavor
on important n o r <.isturbing c u
ent.

Y o u w i l l nseturslly

mein, b u t qpera+

write something o f why t h e y n e e d careful thought.
In olr operstions, su.90se w e Should
s-hunérsd m i l l i o n s

o f our

es
eroup,

2 t first

the r e d u c t i o n
from Us.

i n thsir


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1our p e r cent o u t o f t h e Treasury t a x
revenues, becomes a

four o n d 9 helf p e r cent loan o r dis-

snd t n e borrowing banks p s y Cirectly t h e interest
Ciscount costs.

s e s k i n g s s they will t o escaoe this

tax o n thelr profits, t h e borrowing benks here s n d there
ask t h e i r c u s t o m e r s

t o repay msturing loens,

the

sriount o f losns t o b e repeid i s s lerger amount,
tiv. t i n é s a s larg? a s t h e amount o f securitiss
the smount i j i n fact, equal t o o r greetsr
r pyramid o f credit m y h a v e besn erected oriinally u p o n }
purchased.

POE c r e c i t e d when t h e investments
T h i s t s a very uncertain simount, because

pert, possibly t h e major part, o f t h s
the market b y our original purchess, w a s used
2t t i m e b y b o r r o w i n g b e n k s

to

from us, # S was t h e case i n the esrly p a r t o f 1922,
the f u n i e m s t e l f 3

tnoat w h e n w e b u

our investment holdings

s o much o f the

ooplied b y member banks t o repaying l o s
9 erecit p y r a m i d
four

o r five

ratio.

t o one.

P e r s o n s

i n s o m s rstio,

ssy

claims sbout double that

A n d , contra, w h e n w e sell,

i t a t once incresses


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57 .

borrowings f r o m u s e n d sets u p 8s series o f efforts t o

liguidete o r reduce loans b y meny banks, spresding t o all
sections, f o r a n emount i n totel equel t o whot w e heve

sold o n the msrket, multiplied b y the pyremid f 2 c t o r r
o
coefricient.

S

o ve can, i f we ere i g n o r a n tr
o coreless,

pull down t h e credit structure a t 4 repid 9 n d dsngerous

rats, b y 8 sale o f investments, which shortly
pressure t o liquidate =

much greater volume o f bank loons.

Tast process i s a t its maximum 3st some indsfinite period
“following our sale, a n d w e may feil t o detect t h e couse

on account of the leg I mention.

T h i s form of liquidetion

under Section 14 is the equivalent of 2
ot
under Section
13, but i s more gently erfective,

operetion, s n d not nearly a s Cengerous a s t o public sentiment.

A r g u m e n t i n Supp r t o f this dogma i s hardly

Srd. I n t i m e t e l y besring upon t h e foregoing i s t h e
sola movement:

I n 3 word, o u r p o l i c y s s t o t h e v o l u m s o f

pease m a y b é msecde t o m i t i g a t e t h e influences

o f g o l d im-

y i g n o r i n g t h e m , m e y e f e c c a r e t e t h e harm.

This

onsistently urged b u t n o t with t h e enthusiestic
‘support t h a t I had hoped for}

T h e operations o f the New


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Oportion, have, nowgolc influShell show,
longer s s a l l o f our Ssction 1 4 investments h s v e n o w
been ‘solic,

T h e ficures a r e c s follows:

Dacember 30,1921 Systen
August 1 , 192s
pate

Recuction o f Berniag As:¢
Totsl Gross G o l d Imports
December 30,1921 t o Ausus
Total Gold Experts, s a m e period
Net G o l d Incresse.

Without e n y fisures avsilsble
thet c o m e s t i c g o l d p r o c u c t i o n

potion b y i

i n this p e r i o d o f 1 9 months

f s r e , b y s a y fifty

millions, w h i c h i s probsbly t o o high.

t
,
I g n o r i n g!

fore, s u c h other f s W w e l o c i t y " , 46tc,, a n d
sidering y

monetary c o l d end volume o f credit,

during 1922 s n d 1923 somcwhet more than offset the malign
inf iuenc a e s «0 ame
440 millions

P

e

r o o . ituidgation o f s o m

o f discounts a n d investments.

D eriod 3240,006,00°

o f gold has been a x

D u r

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ans s u c h o x e e s s o f i m p o r t s a n d p r o d u c t i o n o v e r t h i s

a s reached us, h a s b e e n p u t into circulation.

amount,

B u t

paying o u t g o l d m e r e l y e f f e c t s o u r r o s e r v e p e r c e n t a g e a n d
does n o t a l t e r t h e r e s u l t s

4the

a s t o v o l u m e o f credit.

T h e next factor i n importanco, b u t without

direct bearing,

i s the conversion o f demand i n t o t i m e

deposits, e n a b l i n g t h e s a m e a m o u n t o f r e s e r v e


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a greater t o t a l o f l o a n s a u d deposits,

t o support

which has been

going o n a t a merry pace t h e last f e w years.

5th.

F r o m the above, y o u will gather that I am

asking y o u t o c o n s i d e r a
(not a

suggestion a s t o o u r p o l i c y

n e w one) w h i c h i s a r r i v e d

a t along a

wholly differ~-

ent line o f argument t h a n that employed b y Mr. Gilbert; b u t
which s h o u l d m e e t t h e s i t u a t i o n

s o l o n g a s h e does n o t

gain s u p p o r t f o r p r o p o s a l e s ( a ) t o i n c r e a s e d i s c o u n t r a t e s
or ( b ) t o b u y b i l l s o r t r e a s u r y c e r t i f i c a t e s

a t a n artificale:

3
1
aifferontial, o r (c) t o establish special discount ( S e c t i o n , )
rates for tills o r certificates, lower that those for commer~
Gial p a p e r e

6the

I n all consideration o f special discount rates

under Section 1 3 for special collateral, l i k e Treasury
certificates a n d bills,

i t must always b e borne i n mind

that s u c h a rate simply induces o u r members t o use t h e


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1 charged.
paperfor which t h e l o w e s t - r a t e s
Line o f c r e d i t p a p e r w o u l d c i s s p p e a r t r o m o u r portfolios

in favor o f Treesury obligations i f the rete f o r t h e let-

cheaper, s n d the reverse would happen i f the rate
1 sper. N o t h i n g whetever beyond t h a t w u l d b e accomd, excepting possibly t o put some small premium i n
velue u p o n t h e pepsr t o which w e extended t h e preferential rate.

O u r effective rats, t h a t is, t h e one which

the members would use, w o u l d alweys b e the lowest one.
Durine t h e war- o r later,

a t ons t i m e over sighty p e r cent

of our ssrning assets w a s w a r paper, s o l e l y becsuse o f
the rate preference,

W h e n t h s t preferences wa: ended,

the other kinds o f psper reeched us, becsuse o f the convenlence a n d s e l l e r r i s k s n d e x p e n s e o f h a n d l i n g

b y msil,

otc.

Specific ©

mment o n certein points i n

letter, w h i c h I heve merked, m i g n t well b e
ex}

M o s t o f this i s anawsred sbove.

sousthing sacred i n a uniform rate, howsve b s c s u s e i t
sources a t the command

o f all o f o u r members,

game rete t o sach, vuether t h e member offers 6

vessury obligetion, o r s banker's bill, o r 4 merchant's


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it should b e under Section 13, where
member

h

e membsr'’s obligation e n d credit.

(2) l i m e G L I b S R E Te. 5

market,

D i t e o m t u s e d 5 6° to “tae: Loncon

T h e Benk of 4ngland

the “market", (i.e. ¢
uniform m i n i n u m p u !
uniform

r s

i n d

s h e a d i s c o u n t rete.
3

O u r rete i s a

, b u t n o t s - m i n i n m rete,

T n e

hand, losns privates customers
then t h e m i n i m u m c i s count

Roe, and-to others

g h e r rates.

T h e collateral

securities (lomberd losns), comaod
ste.

O u r Ssaction 1 4 carrying

sponds t o Bonk rate, 2 n d the Bsnk o f inglend
yer which comperes w i t h our Section 1 3
dis c o u n t r a t e .

While
l

1 e r e sa t h e t s e r n ien c s s h o u l c sn o t b e t h e

ideration o r even c n importent ones, i n our
t policy,

4

in other words,

w

h

i

c

h rtsulte


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pe f o r expenses
Iz t h e t i m e c o m e s w h e n w e d o n o t

it will mean that something, possibly o u r o w n
nisteken policy, h a s forced a n unnecesssry licuiation,
such s s would p e y off msny hundreds o f millione o f o u r
‘earming assets.

(4) T h o s e times i n the past when w e
ing bills und:r a normal merkst rate, h a v e
vrnen i t hes b e e n forced u p o n u s becsuse o f inebility
unwillingness

t o advance o u r seaeoent rate su'ficisently

to correspond w i t h t h e normal market

(5) T h i s sug estion i s wholly imprecticel
the following reasons:
a. N e w veer a S a
psres. with London. O t h e r

y

“market” w h i c h 9st ell conS e b e n k s c o u l c n o t operate,

b. I t sssumes t h e t o u r members w i l l come t o ceal
with u s under Section 1 4 a s bill houses d e s l with t h e
Bonk o f Englend i n Loncon,.
in New York, b u t t h e plsn propose? would n o t suit
other part o f our district, n o r s n y other Feceral
cistrict.
Gy A

feu N e w York


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1

5

2

Vall Street, would shortly have s Whélly different type
of réletionship w i t h t h e Federal reserve bank t h e n
would b e the case anywhere else, a n d they
would appear
to snjoy epecial fecilities a t spscially favorable
rates,

6 ) A l l of the procedures inddoatca would simply
eénter

i n New York more even t h a n they now dow

O u r ef

fort i s t o distribute these transactions.

(7) I

think the member bank should pay the same

rate, when borrowing from us, whether the collateral b e
Governsagn t bonds o r customers! notes,
rates’for these special

« =

T h e lowor market

s e c u r i t i e s w i l l b e those

at which w e deel with t h e d e s

u n d e r Section 14.

“(8) T r u e enough, and on the surface it would 2 :pear
that the trouble i s not’with our rates for bills e n d cerbificstes,

b u t t h e t our discount retss a r e t o o m u c h
below

gensral money msrket,

T a e t mey sppear loter t o be

but I sm opposed t o eny increase just now.
veeson will sppear i n my reply t o yours o f the 18th,

(9)

r

e eppo are the reel point.

T i bogie S o m

to 2 Ssussestion t o sdvance discount retss o n l y o n busi-

ness paper, e n d let preset,

o r lower rates espply t o


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1

5

Tressury certificates a n d bills.
such e course f o r o n e moment.

3

W e should not consider

W h a t e v e r t h e ergument

may now be, the result i s the same, 1919 all over sagsin,
the Reserve Bsnks carrying a l l t h e Treasury certificates

etprofitable rates for member banks,
son once a n d I

a m amazed thet t h e proposal shoulda b e

sériously edvanced sgaing
ek

W e had our les-

W e would lift the whole conn -

cakes market g certain amount, p u t a premium o n the

(resaury certificates, e n d have another scramble for

Government deposits. “ i e s eat

(10)

W e know from past experience thot once these

preferential rates e r e established, t h e large City
. (especially N e w York City)benks, a r e t h e only ones which
can promptly a d d fully evail themselves o f them.

T h e

country b e n k i s neither a holder n o r dealer i n those l u x
-urtes

a e

p s y only four p e r cent, o r even less.

ipae F i n a l l y :

O u r safe course will b e t o observe

- the resl intent s n d spirit o f t h e ect, a n d furnish credit
to sll our a e o n s

a t the same rate i n our respective

listricts, n o mstter whet the colleteral, n o r the size,
strength o r location o f t h e bank, s o l o n g 2 s the- member
simply borrows f o r a fixedterm under Section 13.


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Now, l e t m e here enswer yours o f the 18th regarding
the f u n c t i o n o f o u r rate. I

not o n l y s t i l l b e l i e v e

is t h e e f f e c t i v e c o n t r o l ( 2 s t o v o l u m e o f members!

it

dis-

counts) b u t that i f enything, i t is just now too effective.
It sometimes seems t o m e t h a t i n such periods a s 1919-1920,
lseree carly this year, w e are unsble t o

soply the brake (by rate cdvence) gently enough t o slow
Gown t h e machine;

red

s h a r p rate osdvsnces o f s a y o n e per

cent e r e t o o lieble t o helt t h e mechineoy. start.it movgn6i

beckwerds,

I f this is true (and the basis of my

-Stetemsnt i s empirical,
yours )

t o borrow s

favorite w o r d o f

t h e n i t means t h a t t h e c o - c r f i c i e n t

i s t o o strong

: fector favoring liauication, justas Howtrey once pointec out,

m d t h a t t h e multiple effect o f rete increase,

-plus t h e genersl m o r a l s n d psychologicel effec
together t o o strong.

m i s i s o n e important regson w h y

I have been opposed t o a i u r t i

i

¢

@ s o f e r this

year.
the way o u r policy outlines t o
me

should s i m t o m s i n t a i n =

stable volumes o f


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{b) S n n u s l o r longer p e r i o d x
n e i n correspondence w i t h incrsas¢s

ereagses i n c r e d i t v

in population 2 n d prosuction o n d consumption.
(c) S e a s o n s l veristions.
pecial w o r l c r e c o n s t r u c t i o n c o n s i c e r

es a netionsl policy.
J e should control t h e volume o f member bsnk

Second.-

reesonably

a t t h e needs o f t h e

country's seasonal reivirements, b u t preventing excesses
of b o r r o w i n g s

by a

u n i f o r m r a t e f o r e r e c i t extsi

under Section 13, w h i c h does n o t encourage o u r borrowing.
Mind importance,

C e should enlerge i n volume a n d setivity o n d
o u r merket operstions u n d e r

Se

that t h e i o n s o f promptly s u p p l y i n g 2 :
withdrawing c u r p l u s e s

o f orecity o v e r

done under Section 1 3
Fourth - We should consicaer
sag temporar}ian nd tentstive,
tion w h e r e s l l t h e w o r l d b u t o u r s e l v e s

hes

oayment, s n d intending t o recast o u r point o f view wnienever t h e approach o f resumption o f specie pryment b y in-


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end

effective msans

o f “. termining h o w mich e n d when t o buy
Section

1 4 t h r o u g h t h e Conmittes.

Fed:ral Reserve Board e n d the Governors o f
Benks w i l l consider t h i s policy solely a s

‘esiened t o menege o r control the totel volume o f
redit, o n d brush esice overy locel,
or “istrict,

o r special consiverstion,

2 s o f secondary

the solution o f sone
of o u r p u z z l e s e n d cdifficu

ith n o opportunity t o consult m y collcaguesin N e w

T amuneble t o ssy wiether they will ercree with ell
of the aipve, s o pleas

own views only,”
Governor Strong: I

Go not know whether i t has been

explained t h s t thet i s © persoi $
a member o f the f

m

e

a

m e ago, a n d

tI
i

wrote t o
t i s sim-

ply s convenient way of expressing this mstter.
Governor Crissinger:

Governor Strong: I

I s there anything further

have nothing further, Governor


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Gvissinger,

1

5

7

Governor C r i s s ing D e t i v i n k t h t s 1 s v e r y taporcge

snt, c n d t h e Boerd would
morbers

o t o near

o f t h e Confsrencs

one
that
csntion o f

g commercial
n i t n psper",
u sp
oer",c tsh ait is,
c
counting facilities,

# 2 4 t o give 5 netionsl market f o r

paper t h e t heretofore d i c m o t have ¢ nations] market.
nt w i t h w h e t h e e b é s n s s i d .

, w i t h regsrcd
y
t o t hre
thot we. w a n t

t i s néeces-

rediscounting
e
fscilitics
g
to
t o neve

meriet.

Governor Cricsinger:
ie 2ays

I

i . Vwten

views contsainec i n b o t h

Governor Crissing
to t h e B o e r c t h a t t h e b a n k s


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7,

a

) %

rmether t h e r s
not besn 6 x -

notion sbout

nifferent

one h e s 2

t h i n k t h e vicws

Governor iicDougal: {
oO

ose w h o hsve spoken o n t h e
é

s h o un l d e
b

eiyen f a v o r e bls consideretion.

oO

helieve also that ons point touched upon b y Governor
ond I think indirectly b y Govermor Sesy, should be
perheps empissized, 3s n d thet is thet benks,
follow

gsiell, i n borrowing,

c

o

u

r

s

e o f lsast resistance,

shoul:

try b a n k s

be

a c e r

besed o n experience, t h a t
the c o u n t r y b a n k s

t o t h e ci:

t

h

tions e r e a b l e t o b o r r o v a t rates w h i c h

to them, the country benks, ©

reeL. 3

e c i t y institun

o

t aveilable

t h e t peint


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cerefully.

one other point I would
Boston &

tsncen

by member banks,
secured b y )

e

c

s

p

o

u

t half s

per cent

l o v e rand:.

dike t o hear f r o m yous

Vice Governor Platt: I

heven't heard

has been going o n t o say much sbout it.
Covernor Crissinger:

T a s second cues tion

ery Gilbert's letter o f August 2, 1923,1%

heard e n y “aiscussion o n it.

i

t seems

t o me

reference t o preferential
MOITGY, D A E i f T o Res
nmopen m e r k e t r a t e s f o r t h e p u r c h a s e o f

certificates and bills, thst it i s not necesserily bad
policy, because i t is 6 condition thet preveils now, a n d
“ifference between t h e t w o might easily b e 5 little


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a
a y+
whether

raciscount r a t e o n T r s i s u r y
purcaass

P s

i

f h e means

n e

to go

very
a6 Mir. C u r t i s s

Bes

ITlmnow

borrowed o n Government securities e t

I coulé borrow o n other collztersal, e n d
tem s h o u l d m a k e

were bougit i n the
jal o n thsm?
buy Government notes.

a e

Proseury o e r tis a
we l o a n t o t h e member

Governor Strong:

‘ J e buy those things that w e deal -

i n the
in i n the open market a t t h s ravss which prevail
open market.


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Governor Crissinger:

h a t i s w h a t I think, t h e t

there ought n o t t o b e a cifferential,
Curtiss:

L l would Jiike t o sucsest this.
what Governor Strons has

if w
losning elmost ontirely o n Governme
is whet I mesnt t o point outs
thet Governor Norris i s o n
this, e n é I think m i g a t
to t h o s e

o f us #ho

G

o

v

e

r

n

o

r

b e enlichtens

!

reete

wakosig
Governor N o r r i s :

men yesterday efternoon,

saytning.
subject,

B

u h e v e m y vicws o n

i f y e u w a n t t o inculse m e f o r «

f e y minutes,

end I will present t h e m v s
yoryoratr

by lir. e r b u r g i n his
Council l s s t winter, w h e n g a t e ! A N S c o u n t r y “octor,
forcec

t o l e a v e o n e single p e r s c r i p t i o n

t o serve f o r


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to com® e s ths sole remedy f o r a n entire fomily,

the grondfather down t o the baby, weulc not be feced
CLPficulsy t a s k t h e n t h e t w h i c h c o n f r o n t s t h e
Federal
97 igcount

e opplisd t o a

ons wunared nf
A

concern i n New York City, a n d t o b t enty-five thousenc
ll country towns.
am at variance vith e l l thse other
gontlemen i n this r o o m o n this subiset, unless i t
my impenstrable isnorence,

o r pot sSiblg beceus:

get through experience t n e t which most o f t h e m
I esn o t
thet taney

their views b y

exporiences they rent throuch i n those
TIwant t o csll your ettontion t o the fact that ur.

Gilbert's propostion, 9 s a e ¢
thst I woulé support, .o¢s

a

n

y proposition

n e l u l e e prefsrential dis-

but
count rete o n either Liberty bonds o r Tressury notes,

it epplies only to bankers! ecceptsnees ond short time
Tressury certificates.


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7Ssrninent

O

3

ys

secondly,

101 fs
Cae eee
corpors
basa

Jiv ide al inyecstors,

temporarily
a

ywanuracturing
them

e lt h
i eo wbs
them

tet
ot
DLLS

n
Bec

41S

Pe: 4

Chas y
Vv

AED

cOi

know,

plyige i n s

COUN try

nu

i3


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ts fece,

logical thing.
logical

s e i s >

t o say t o a

bank---

perfectly netural s n d
n o t t o one bank o r t o 2

favor-

ed group o f benks--- “ I f y o u vant t o borrow f r o m u s o n

stuff which, i n the open morkete--~ m t
any thing that you have done, o r as the result of mything
that w e have done, b u t as tis 7s: f

e r a l merket

and financial cocditions--~ sells o n a four per cent besis
or a four a n d one-eighth p e r cent besis,

on that e t four per cent.
sells i n the —

w e will loen y m

I f you bring u s sturf that

m e r k e t a t four z n d five-sishths w e will

losn you o n that e t four snd e helf;

i f you bring us

stuff which i s of such s charscter that i t will only g o
jn the market a t six per cent o r higher, w e will losn you
‘on that e t five p

I

f we say thet t o

it seems t o m e that w e sre doing &

lutely equite ble and just ond universal i n its
snd w h i c h recognizes t h e existence o f conditions

not that w e heve msde, b u t whieh the merket
made.

T h e public, t h e merket--- I do not care

it i s the investment market o r t h e Federal
heve s a i d t h e t e

certain securitx,

o w i n g t o its liquidity


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sntitled

t o sell

to f o u r e n d f i v e -

should w e s s y t h a t w e w i l l n o t r e t h o t

W e would

e n unknown eross-rosds

merchant

on t h e s e m e b e s
Giscount

the 3

f

tire c o u n bry?

no logical c o f
tage

Moreover,

mium o n
ars s a y i n g t o

in bankers’ a c e
cannot b o r r o w f r
at o r

want t o b o r r o w o n t h e notes
you c a n b o r r o w f r o m u s a t e@ x : h e t . w i l l s h o w v o u

show t h e

: h eA

Wwe M a n e

rem


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4

vould haves nothing b u t that pspsr,
borrow f r o m u s o n thet poeosr.
moll banks v o u l d not, o f course, b u y bankers’ b i l l s
sna I do n o t think they c s n very
holé@ings

tificates i s s1l t h e time going cvown
competing

think t h a t t h e t v

esn.
h
o u l id

5n inerease i n the holdings o f Treasury carti
nks w o u l é n o t t a a t bs, t o s u c h e n
might p o s s i b l y o c c u r , r a t h e r @

wholesome t h i n g ?

it not result i n » great many benks holding 8
oi those 8 s 8 secondary

w

n

e

e now, i n t n e case

r

of the smell banks, they sre tempgpec t o g o out into t h e
merket a n d b u y s i x o r
second o r

déiriiculties
ofa t h e country benks
I mignt s a y more o n thet, b u t I this
in
academic, e n d T heven't e n y hope o f convincing m y b o d y
a


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78
he room.

F o r tha; r e a s o n I

do not need t o detain y o u

by 3 perfectly profitless Ciscussion,.

B u t F

do feel
4

taat sooner o r later w e will have t o come t o diiferent
i a :

I

do n o t s a y that today o r next w e e k o r next

month i s the time t o d o it, b u t I believe i t is the logical
h i n g to do a n d that sooner o r leter w e will come t o it.

Governor Harding: M i r . Chairman, I

would like t o

remind y o u that Governor Norris f o r somes years w a s engsged i n the business o f selling t a x sxempt f e r m losn bonds,
sna i t i s only natursl t h a t h e should retein s o n e o f the
nest h e h e l d then,

I a m living n o w i n a section where t h e bankers a r e
very f a r t

'

The a

e e
N
banker c a n
g
v e r aw England

réad t h e inscription o n = dollar =

mile off. %

e v e

hed some experience w i t h having Govermment securities s l l
held i n the Federal reserve b e n s .
vred t o that i n his letter;

G o v e r n o r strons re-~

w e went through w i t h thet
dismeyed w h e n I

consider

ssibility o f hsving t o g o through i t
remember t h e desiderstum seemed t o b e t o get t h e Governa o n necurities cistr
cistribution,.

t

h

a

t wes t h e grest

T a k e N e w Englana, f o r instence.


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there f o r banks t o p a y interest o n deposits,

t w o o6r c e n t interest

E v e n

o n checking s c c o u n t s .

on m y o w n l i t t l e a c c o u n t t h e y p s y m e t w o p e r c e n t

Everybody peys interest.

N o w , i f t h e New Snslencd banker,

r the banker snywhere e l s e i n the country,
with G o v e r m e n t Tressury certirl

four t o four 5nd a helf per cent, s n c
the m o n e y h s c a n put t h a n u p a g s i n s t a

fifteen d a y note s a d borrow f r o m
let u s s e y from one per c e n t
less t h a n t h e reesuler rate,
g to discourage t h e i r l e r g e

ic

corporations f r o m investing i n Government
going t o happen i s that where t h e y
they will b e o f
en

I

n other yord t h e y will

keep y o u r money
Will bring about
posits, s n d they will b e investing m o r

t

h

e

n they

have been, 2 n d will stop t h e distribution o f Government
certit

t e s

M a t e v e r t h e y have occesion

t o borrow

they will borrow i n increasing Smounts f e o m t h


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I take it, i s going t o take: place # 1 1 over

country.

T h e t will b e i n the

erally i n t h e c o u n t r y b m k s ,

g

e banks s n d not gon-

b e c a u s e t h e c o u n t r y banks,

as a ruls, c a n employ their funcs a t from s i x t o eight
per cent, o n d they have n o money t o b u y four a n d 6 helf
per cent certificates, e v e n i f they c a n borrow o n t h e m s t
3
That i s going t o hsve 2 number o f b a d effects, o n e
of which hes b e e n pointed o u t b y Governor NeYougsl, w h i c h
is going t o increass t h e dissatisfection o n t h e part o f
the country benker, b u t t o m y mind the principsl objection t o i t i s thet i t 1 s going t o stop t h e distribution
of Government certificates, w h i c h w e felt h s d been s o

cesireble, e n d tend

s k e t h e benk

est retes, s n d demorelize things
to meking t h a t sdditional profit
Governor Colkins: I
ris o n e tuestion:

O

would

n what coes ;

S

s t o ssk Governor Norbes c o n c l u s i o n

thet t h e c o u n t r y b a n k s

short t i m e certif S

o f « a forego s i x o r seven

cent e n d invest i n something t h a t w u l d bring t h e m


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Whet h e s e e m e d t o say.

did not s a y they w o u l d do 1 t t b
iL83735" a 2
the ereument. thet
;

s r e i s anything i n

we will b e swamped w i t h that k i n d o f

rt a l e
l t haen l o a nesh f r o
p m uts

would4

Government e s r b i f i c s

ecquiring
ecquirs them, then, a s .
y much bett

r

e

a ac
v c d u l r e now.

But t o s n e w e

Governor Harding h e s just
strict t h e b e n k s w o u l d

customers

ha

t o forego t h i

Their c u s tomers

d when

Ss

i s t i n g upon getting

those
n certificates
a
pay t h

ond a helf per cent o r
better
cent wouldn't have e n y effect
o n them

to b o r r o w m o n e y o n ?
Goverior N o r r i s


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ETL

Py

s3id h e w a s t h e only
the question.

e rightcous shee

h

+

ous goats, t h s s t a

T h e t

from t h e unright-

n é v e n e n d t h e goats going

to hell, e n d h e said, " % w i l l b e the goat, who will b e

"T will be the goat;
> the goat and g o t o hell than not go snywhere."
I would rather b e o n that side o f it, i f f o r nothing else

then t o have e n argument vith Governor Strong.
T think this mstter i s just a little clouced.

ir.

together the benkers' sccentences,
esire ble colleteral
for short tims losns
think D e t S s w e c e s a a t y

very ¢

sirous o f e x t e n c

ing the distribution o f b

e unrilling t o lena
#2 w o u l d b
bills s t ¢ less rete t h a n w e would upon o n sdvence b y

“25,000 bank, made s t eight per cent, which would indi-


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ri

:

and yet thet i s that w e

cle

wah y

you l o o x f a r

box-o.t 8. C O R E L ,
y

tempo rery per-

Reserve Benks,

System may Look
aay a

c y

o

s

and w e m i g n t s e y

ity
century i s

thet 2s

. eN On W i, b if

cown t h e

LSMpo vary: c e

cless them, within
time boing
Lopes

t n g to
u o hb te

AWS

S n o t

Woo 0

Vor


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involved i n mening advances
z} R
is t h
e fundamentel thing,

ten S i e 2
CBee
the thing which should determine 6 t h e d t c i s i o n

ve m a k e

i n such 5

i: 7

s

n

d i t sesms

t o m e that t h e

rediscount b y t h e Federal reserve benks which,
9 s i t exists today, w o u l d b e
if
w e mske those
e
n
d
overdrsfts,
t
o
their
ate applicable
ch
proctice,
English

abls odvenece over t h e rete t h e t w e
first f e w weeks o f the

r rediscount.
ng:

T h e y vould n o t b e s s high, wut.

English Joint Stock Benk overdrsft,
m

what t h e y c a l l

a

t

t

e

or

r o f cus-

tom, i s s o much above t h e ben: r e s u l a r l y .
Lin, S o r e s

t times i t coss d o w n t o t h e bank rate

A

aven below t h e bonk rate--yernor Strong:
operators.
ey P e r r i n :
Governor Strong:

3 5

London banks,

n o t only

PJ


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85
their bréenches, f i x o a regular contrast f o r t h e sdvence
eccount o f their customers c t some percentage usually a
the
Mr. P e r r i n :

market a t which people c s n borrow money, a n d our growing
imarket i n this country e t which people c a n borrow money
is usually s t 8 level consiccreably above t h e Fsderel re-

Ciseount rate. i n . 3

F r a n c i s c o w e occa-

sionslly get down, when possibly o n exceptionel loan is
under conlitions o f e n gbnormsl supply o f monsy,

to

and a half, b u t I suppose f i v e p e r cent might b e
thet w e charge.

w o u l d that b e a

» Governor G e lkins?
Governor Cslkin I

think four e n d 9half p e r cent

hes been t h e occasional rate.
Tt n e v e r n a s b e c o m >

customary r a t e

it w o u l d b e i n N e w

rete o v e r
een very cloge t o t h e New York rate.
Bilge d a lVve~ S A G B - £
tm

o n t h e Pecific

C o s s t now-=--

Governor Strong?

T h a t i s our rate.

i

s t a s mini-


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to t h e member bsenks
be n o l o s s

i n reciscount

so t h a t t h e y c e n m a k e

tO
aegl

c a n b e said

i n
4

than

desireble s i t u a t i o n

they e r e making =

profit which,

w e heve where

e s Governor Norris

gq

runs

they m s y enlishten

t h e

vould b e a n interssting mettor--- b u t t h e repre

heaving luncheon

ther bought o r “id

b

u

B i t e
n London,


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S PRLS C i d Ret b u y

2.8 s h o r t

term

T h e y do

Governor Strong:

iswhat they call floaters.
That i s esxectly t h e position

Governor
tnhsse resale contracts.
business i n New York i s exa y

equivalent t o t h s
=

a

n

rave o n bills:
ie. P o r r i n :

T

t

something s s 8
erve- to. carry.in x

r o ,

bsnkers' bills o r may borrow
rable rate-== forgetting
upon t h e m a t

a

n

d they might b u y


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ut

Strong

think

aajust o u r precticss h e r e t o
Ren OF ay Pepi ©

e
n a r i h zds een
monsy
&sa t

in t h e m e r k e t a s

ing sbout t w o wholly
I convess

a 5

correct

a

Le T S P

thet

t o
other

Li.

ils

5

sLe
Pe e e

nse
hg

Wetnes

che o u t e r o w t h o f
without s t e t u t o r y
¥ P i

an c.

al development,
interference, t h a t w e fool oursslves

the besis o f our fooling ourselves today
That i n London, t h e Bank o f ingland c m


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:

great b o c y o f c r e c i t which,

the English Joint Stock Banks,

i s know

accounts, becsuse there
of n e g o t i a b l e paper,
het

cneracter

conmercisl psver wn!

operstions t h e rese
t puts t h e i x

n
i

o

.

“ene b a n a

want t o e r e a t e s s l a r g e
can c o n v i n c e thse buy-

prafsrentisal rate i n bor-

Governor Strong:
rate f o r borrowing o n

e heve 9 preferential
Why s h o u l d h
(aaiowe o k t s
l

itself?
wishe


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the Fedsrel r e s e r v e

that c o n t e m p l a t e t h a t
would b e

fe < P eye rere
Governor

C e

ey

Ho v o u l a c n o t s n a o r s s

and Giscount them, b u t h e would
same rete.
Governor Calkins:

I

f y o u msks

lowsr t h e n t h e merket rate o n bills y o u would get t h e m
iil,


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Not i f y o u m a d e i t o n

that w e have
ity t o continue s permenent erbitrage f o r t h e
customers, a r é w s not under t h e seme responsibility t o

set u p a n erbitrege o f bills that should b e sold i n the
open merket? S o m e t h i n g was said b y Governor Norris a s

to the 2ifferencs between the discount rate and the rat
obtsined o n t h e note b y the bank f r o m t h e customer,
is 8 permenent profit t o ths benk. A s s u m i n g that w e are
in thst position, s h o u l d w e not b e under t h e responsibility, o r should w e consider setting u p another place f o r
a profit o n a

narket,

class o f p a p e r t h a t c a n b e s o

i

n t h e open

o n which they c a n realize money i n another way?

Governor Calkins: I

wish t o s e y I

agreement w i t h Mr. Perrin t o this extent,

a m entirely i n
5

S prefrer-

ntial rate o n rediscounting o f paper secured b y bankers!
eptances ¢
+

a

s w e call them, i s perheps d e ntigl rate o n certific a t e secured

bills i s not.

T h e r e are precticel difficulties, w v

I think heve b e e n pointed out, b y some random shots
srouna t h e table here.
Governor Norris:

T 1 1 1 1 you explain w h y one i s


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snd t h e o t h e r n o t ?

Governor Celkins: I

will explain t h e t b y s m t h e r
nhyour r e m a r k s t h e t somes o f u s

srhaps unconsciously prejuciced b y o u r experience.
thet

w e a r e v e r y consciously prejudiced

perience, e n d slways till be.
recover f r o m them.

h

b y our ex-

N o n e o f u g will sver

e precticsel #ifficulty which I tried

to point o u t i s that i f « s make » preferential r a t e applied o n bills sscured b y bankers' eccsptances i t will
or below t h e market;

merket i t will b e

i f i t i s above t h e

e f f e c t u a l , i t will h a v é n o

consequence whatever a n d will n o t change t h e situstion
in t h e s l i g h t e s t d:gree; s a n d i f i t i s b e l o w t h e market i t

jill result i n the Federal

e r v e banks getting a l l the

bills i n the merket,
hire P e r r i n :

T

e

w

Federal reserve banks would b e called

s

d

a

v

a

n

to their member benks only. sgsinst
obligations s s b snkers!
of paper which w e handle now.
Governor MeDougal:
has b e e n i n t r o d u c e d

a i r m a n , Governor Norris
6
yocate o f Mr. Gilbert's

a n e

e
es


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susgestion,

a n d that

w

i

t

I

of the Governors! Confers

euslifiesetions,

you heve celled upon i i E

t seems t o me, how-

m very g l a d t h a t

o

from ]

before * e finish t h e d i

h r e s p e c t t o t h e mem-

t , a n d I sarnestly hops that
L o i

W i l l permit u s t o

have t h e benefit o f the expressions o f yourself s n d your
sssociates

o n t h e Board w i t h respect

t o t h e subject,

to t h e other subjects t h a t sppear i n the first
this program, w h i c h relate t o very important

erhaps, g o n s a little t o o
which h s v e b e e n s u g g e s t e d

the Board

e

n

d LI think i t would b e very helpful

to that subicsct,
ouler- m e bters.
Governor

o f o u r b a n k i s n o t pre-

to c a y f o r t h s record thet t h e


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in Undsr Sseretery. Giins

e t t e r , 2nd

to give a more elaborate expression t o m y viows,
thet they would follow, generally,
expressed b y Governor Sesy.
Governor Crissinrser:

I s there anyone else?

W w e

adlike t o heor from you, Governor Platt.
Vice Governor

W

O

. e f r e s h i n g m y memory a
It seems

me thet .the ;

e

mol 8

s

d somewhet.

e

coes n o t

might b e
merket purchase rate f o r open market peper, s n d
rate f o r p e p e r b e s e d o n customers! n o t e s .

exactly w h a t w e ere doing now.

T h e

T h e onmiy:

ite f a r enough,

bert!s ressoning i s pretty sound.
out a

H s proposss t o give

b e bought o r
rate a t w h i c h w i d n a v k e t p a p e r i s t o

i f you want t o rediscount--~ I céon't think
rediscounted,
ve
mokes a

greet deal o r diife >

or not, because 3 s long e s you b u y
the same thing a s rediscounting.

yhother y o u d o that
a n d s

i

t it mems


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How a r e y e u going t o puy i n the
s

e ri c o
t ll
i
o

<A

D o y o u mean notes secured b y

Governor Platt:

Government o b l i g s t i o h ?
s

Government obligetion--- h o w are
you going t o d o 1%?
a m not sure f r o m his letter

¥ice Governor Platt: I

whether h e i s referring. t o peper sscured b y Government
obligations,

o r whether h e

really means buying end sell-

e s e c u r i t i e s t h e mh
selves.

If h e tmsens buying e n a
f course

ling notes based o n Government
you would heve t o have a rate, b u t when i r
Ttwere discussing t h e thing 9 little while

him why he did not sell the bill instead o f the cert ifiid h e c o u l d

just like bankers!
not d o t h a t w i t h o u t

e n Act of

but i f Congress
that c o u l d
there

for n o t p u t t i n g t h o m

sré sold on the open market i n very much the
not?
way whether t h e y have 2 rate o f interest o n t h e m o r
Goverror Seay: T

a m quite sure t h a t Mr, Gilbert's


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It wes t o mé, a n d sfter
think t h e c o n c l u s i o

is

not been willins t o leave
c e é i t ics

tO y

~
rete under which they would be 1

t

a

n the

a recdiscou

q

yet 1 6 w a n t s t h e m t o ¢ s

i

k

e any

volume o f Tressury certificates o f f
i s there snyone e l s e t o b e

Governor Crissinger:
heerd o n this. I

d o not think enybody h e s succesced

in

convincinz Governor Norris yet.
tir. Tsay: T h e point that G o v e r m r McDougal m a c e
e pertiecularly noticeable w i t h u s i n New York
would b
e inclined t o teke
banks w o u l d b

The -

and t h e y w o u l d b e t h e o n l y ones. w h o
of t h e l o w e r r e t e .

discount rates, e n a .
ea of b y

w

e

@ e b i g ¢ i s n k s , becesuse t h e smeller banks

vould n o t b u y certificates;
their

a d bs

r ons W

V a t e r nae!

i r a e %

t h e y w o u l d still: s t i c k t o
a

a e i x o r Seven


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spare money they wouldn't
would n o t b s able t o

and t h e y d o n o t b o r r o w b e c s u s e
vant

t o lend

the m o n c y

Thet L e n d

a

k

c u

e

2

=

p r o f i t

the money,

o r snything o f

and.

w

h

e

n they find

end

t h e m good.

who w o u l d h a v e t h e s e

sn sdvantege over t h e
have 3 n u n f o r t u n a t e
rate

on

which only ths large c i t y banks c o u l d borrow s n d
hemselves

o f it.

Governor Crissinger:

Have y o u s n y t h i n g

Lt,

F o n t

pLLOLrS

any thing

anybody?
Governor Strong:
Governor

would like t o hsar from you,


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Well,

t h e Govermr

i s opposed

Shik

Hovever, Governor

sideration,. w h i c h aopsar
the other i s No. 2 , uncer Examinations.

from somebody w h o prepsred those ques

“

W

L

l

l you

give t h e m y o u r v i s w s e b o u t

Vice Governor Platt: I

think lr. Dawes prepared

ivmat Coes the experience o f the pa t year show t o
the i n f l u e n c e

o f o p e n m e r k e t o p e r a t i o n s e n d r e discount

rensections, r e s p e c t i v e l y ,

o n t h e credit

is t h e proper f u n c t i o f

gech i n 3 well-conestion w e s

reports f r o m those

hac

is whet t h e y went y o u t o talk about.


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Vice G o v e r n o r Platt:

q

+ more b y Dr-+ Miller t h e

u

e

s

t

i

o

e l s e s . I

n was

think

the ik.3a wes t o get s report e s t o what t h e

if
opsn merket transactions h a s been, i

peper wos sold, recdiscounts made L t up, o r whether, e s
money f r o m t h e merket, t h e benks came back
to réediscount.

S o m e reports h a v e p

not t r u e i n some dis tricts, b u t true
Su O cas rey
y s p ela k i n gl,

b u y s Go p e n
w hee n & er w ees tée r n bne n k e

peper , thst pubs money into New York rather than
ing money into i t s o w n district, a n c conversely,

wha

it ss&ls such paper i t jossn't t a k e the monsy out of its
own Gistrict, b u t reth

o take t h e money o u t o f

t

Now York; o r out: o f
think t h e t w h a t

e o fr. j u su t h o
tw

c
4% works
i
po i l

One q u e s t i o n o c c u r r e d

ested b y something

s

thst w a s t h e t i t w a s / r i g h t

e

i

d this mor i

t o s a y that you were


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teking m o n e y o u t ofr t h e m e r k e t w

it U p e

it has bought open m
Government s e c u r
39

aYik

securities

by t

Pe+

benk h e

1
o
~
vurchsse
iL

Vice G o v e r n o r

Governor S t r o n g :

be borrowing f r o m Peter ta-pay Paul.
it

t

I t voulc put

o come o n t e x


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Oy

t emo ther s o u r c e

eroun

Vice G o v e r n o r

wnosn

it buys

bine
Oi D L S

the m o n

Platt

ply
put i n t h e merket.

the

out b y t h e verious
02
a

who h a v e

>-0u

itis

bpenks

sppraciate t h e
the R e s s r v e

feirly unverying
leres m o v e m e n t

quantity,

oh O U P i m s 7O56

s es c r o eu nm t

$i Gees

8mou

o f


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rurniched b y t h e r e s e r v e b e n k s t o t h e m a r k e t i

5100,000,000 t o 3150,000,000.

W h e n our inv éstn

£0 u p our discounts g o down,
chanss

i n volume t s k s s

we have w i t h t h e Treasury,
directly t h r o u g h t
the q u e n t i t
y of cred m a i n s p r e c t i c a l l y
Vics Governor Platt:

I

t simply shows t h a t t h e

country cpzerently h e d demand for t h e large creci
Dr. Miller u s e d t o s a y i t was
séll t h e securitiss t o f i n d out whether t h e m
wantine t h e credit, because i f i t was
on t h e m e r k e t

b y t h e holders

o f Tressury certificates

without t h e b a n k s h e v i n g e s k e d f o r it--- w h e n y o u s e l l t h e
”

and they 3 1 1 come back sgein,

told i n s d v a n
this Guesta.on
ecier

0,000 o f Government securities.

i t shows t h a t


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This question w a e proposed b y
he hes i n m i n d to cevelop i n
one s f f e c t o f t a k i n g o u t t h s s e C o v e r n n e n t
securit iss
Pie S E eS Oe
throughout t h e country.
Governor Platt? I

suppose w h e t sactuslly h a p -

shen the .600,000,000 of securit ies was sold vas to
2 e e Ge

cent pressure

h

e merket, e n d they h e d t o come back

borrow t h e money s t three-signths o f one per cent
Less--Governor S t r o n g :

to five sighths
o n acceztences s n d line o f
pSas
to

New York/from four sna 8 quarter t o five
is what took place.
Vice G o v e r m o r Platt:

T

t w e s more t h e n o n e helf o f

one per cent?
Governor Strong:
Vice Governor Platt:
to p s y 2

T t simply caused

little m o r e f o r i t s m o n e y ?

Governor “trong:

A n d t o borrow.

m a r k e t


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Anc t o b o r r o w o n i t s o w n

T o s t wes t h e point thet Dr.

Governor Crissinger:

to bring out, t h a t when
to g o b a c k i n t o
tendency

that w o u l d h a v e =

Governor Strong:

I

t o check e n y

t would.

er
Governor.Grissin/Hs wanted t o develop v e r y clearly i f that

had vorked out properly--- isn't that about whet

I never d i s c u s s e d t h e t with him,

Governor Crissing

T

h

e second question,

inetions, was p r e n a r e d b y Dr* Miller.

o n exam-

T h s

tion is, "Is.it desirable o r precticable t o meke more use
of Federal reserve b e n k examinations é s 3 me:

jag information t o } 5

r e g u r

o f secur-

e r banks'

borrowings more 4
pnd main relience u p o n chaenses o f
Vice Governor Platt:

T h e idea w a s t o bring o u t

this
something a l o n g t h e line brought o u t b y lr. Talley
whether
morning, whether t h e y could tell b y examinations,


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gst s

n

o

u

g m ohrtfh e

sble t h e m t o ¢ xercise

oo
F
o
been
cn
so w ne r! ea dr o r e t”h e r

5

i n tne

enc s o m e o t n e r s

Dr. litller
liever j

m e toes

o r sas

n e e i n t h e wes

rmining
y

the solvency o f

o

u heve t h e

proper c r e d i t i n f o r m a t i o n t h a t y o u WEIl- b s sblLe t 6 C o n t r o l

he credit thet the bank ought
Vice Governor Platt:
to me, t h e examinetion

o n ot

cause o f that y o u find out thet has
after it-hes heppened.

Governor Crissinger:
borrow f r o m t h e

y

“ h e n t h e bank starts o u t to
o

u e a n send o u t a n

the working together

inars,

w e are l i t t l e better sdvised s s t o credit policies

of t h e s t a t e oi] m e m b e r b a n k s

than W S are

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2 Sm

netionsl
gy
h t t l i wa

tt

bank

iacividual

securities

t o 8

ere cLrected, verhaps,

Siderabls

to

the s o l v e n c y o f e

orimeary tr
the

f

exarins tions

sctual p i c

member
o
bes

y n olt s lo m ua
xeni~
c h sen er

ered it policies a r e

es o f paper t h a t t h e b a n k o
~

s uE
S
)a

con-

of t h e e n d o r s e m e n t s

s they

=!

should

I think i t would

b e mede

that

to that particular
whols m a t t e r

advon

i f we

obtsining t h e credit policies

ame o p p o r t u n i t y
the netional b e n k s

have

9s

o f t h e stete banks.

Governor Crissinger:
5
od.

discus

Ws h a v e
o

ed i t w i t h o u r sxaminer,

very corcisl recept

Governor Grissinger:

some places, because I know
examiners v e n t in.

It certeinly i s bsing
when I

was Comptroller

D o n ! t they d o i t i n t h e N e w Y o r k

dL abyioe?

Governor Young:

3B

e its a a
good sncorssment
r
i
or

the bank offers us, whether
snc w h e t h e r l o a n s

fA 2

Bl

They d o i n t h e Ninth District.


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Governor Crissinger: I

think t h e y c o i n t h e Fifth

District, e n d i f there i s e n y leck o f corcislity w e
ousht t o finde o u t . =

thought that was t h e policy.
it ssems t o m e this whole

uvon w h e t

must sey thst, s o far e s i

e

d

i

t information.

r i 8

is concerned, w e

heve sbsolute e n d thorouch coopsrstion, e n d I would also
that the nationsl b e n k exsminers’ reports, without
yellow shsets, s n d without t h e close c o o p s r s t i o n o f
chief examiner o f t h e Comptroller's Depertment, t h a t

we have elways had, might b e @ very empty thing.

I t tékes

sll o f those things t o put u s i n @ position t o decide o n
o a benk, a n d
the interest rate, t o talk i n t e l l i g e n t l y t

to put the curb on effectively.
Now, with our sta'te reports, t h e credit infornetion
shoule b e sufficient t o enzble u s t o core t o e conclusion

ss t o whether w e should s i s

w s benk out.

thet while t h e interest rate

1 s

flog of verming, i t coes not thoroughly protect, thet
something else i

seeded, s n ¢ .

@ matter o f rather

more t h e n ordinary importencs,
Federel R e s e r v e A c t h a s b e e n a m e n d e d s o t h a t w e

in banks n o w o f many sizes, t h a t

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eur
thoss banks 3 ° credit information should b e o f a type

which enables u s t o give counmel. W h a t I am trying t o
get a t i s this:

T h a t i t i s not a question o f selvency

of t h e bank particularly:

w e d o n o t have t o g o into that,

but y o u h a v e g o t t o h a v e s o m e i n f o r m a t i o n o t h o r t h a n a n

index o f t h e notes, something more i s necessary, a n d i P
the gentlemen sitting around t h e table,
give t h e p r o p e r c o n s i d e r a t i o n

for rediscount,

i n m y judgment,

t o t h e h a n k t h a t i s applying

i t seoms t o m e i t i s very important t h a t

that t y p s o f i m f o r m a t i o n b e s h o w n i n t h e reports.

Governor Crissinger:

I t seems t o m e that t h e credit

information o u g h t t o c o v o r t h e o f f i c e r s a n d d i r e c t o r s

of

a bank, n o t only a s regards their o w n bank, b u t a s re-~

gards allied banks.

M y expcrienes i n the Comptroller's

office w a s that two-thirds o f t h e difficulties o f national
banks G r e w o u t o f i m p r o p e r b a n k i n g p r a c t i c e s

b y officers

ond d i r e c t o r s o f . a b a n k W i t h allied. institutions.
seoms

L

t

t o m o that t h e best information t h a t could b e

secured w o u l d

b e a

pretty close check-up

o n the men who

aro running thase banks, w h e t those m e n are Going, a n d
have
when y o u h a v e g o t t h a t y o u / a p r e t t y g o o d l i n e

that wank,


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I f they a r e running pretty true y o u c a n


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A x<regcind a

SASTMIALNS

That 28: b i s
its b e e n

Bpiroves t u s
e heave n e v e r o b i c e t e d

j

Governor Crissinver:
Governor
on o n e

invest

or t w c e s s i f

s

o

A ea e S

, p r e a l l y o n exemination o f

on two occasions

i n the interim between the ordinary regu-


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.noitanimatn
xe

small n o t
smount,

ready, 2 n d

d y

brought

out

that i s

the
=

directors.

cin o tah e r s

e

b

a

n

ned o w e d

k

smell smount, o n l y sbout
In the spplicstion
public funcs, :lthough

any

: o
f

+

t

r e x aom i n apt i o ne s h orw e d

e

found t h e t

“340,000.

i t nea

e so s ,y

n

n

3aG .

city c o r r e s p o n d e n t

e n overdraft

T h s situe

it t o h s v e s a m @ r o x i r net

3

.

bank w a s s u c h t h e t

the epplication,

whether

Sny - O k

M e m b e r s fo t h e

Board,


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Governor Crissinger:
has just come in.

T h e Comptroller o f the Currency

M r e Comptroller,

w e sre telking about

he second topic o n page 2, examinations s n d their relation t o credit policy. I
has hes2.ened w h e n I

have been telling them whet

wes Comptroller,

s n d you c a n n o w tell

hopp n i n g now.
lip. Dewes: I

would like t o listen a littl> while

end f i n d o u t v h e t y o u a r e t a l k i n g about.

Vice Governor Crissinger:

i r e James, I think the

Conference woulc like t o hear from you. |
Lr, James: I

think the examination feature i s the

most importent feature o f all,

i

n all districts out-

w eastern cistricts, perhaps,

i t is esrl

essential t o heve t h e t reletionship i n e cistrict
sgriculture a n d i n d u s t r y i s c e r r i e d

o n i n s more

then perhaps i t i s i n New York. I

can cone

ceive t h e t the situation s s regards evedit information
ia New York would b e entirely ciffere.t f r o m whet i t would
pe i n Dellas o r Kansas C i t y o r Minneapolis, a n d that control i n t h o s e d i s t r i c t s w o u l c b e t h r o u g h exemination.
You w o u l d h o l d t h e b a n k s

i n line through examinstions

which would Gevelop whether t h e y were tending towerds


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benking prectice.
Governor Seay: I

woulc. like t o express t o

our feeling o f regret s n a cisappointment t h a t t h e Bosrd
felt c o m p e l l e d

t o take t h e sttituce w h i c h i t did t a k e

with respect t o charging for s t a t e bank examinations,
Our state benks regard o u r examinetions v e r y hishly, f a r
*

more h i g h l y t h e n t h e y r e g a r d t h e ¢ x a m i n e t i o n s

b y their

own state commissions, a n d w e bslieve t h a t t h e t was o n e
of t h e means o f proving o u r velue t o the stats benks a
of binding t h e m t o us.
eamineations

f o r credit

done i t with the national banks,
tn conjunction with the Comptroller's exeminers,
our o w n secord, e n d o n our o w n sccount, w h e n t h e
gion ssemed t o call f o r it. I

could n o t let t h e oppor-

tunity g o b y o f ssyince t h e t i f t h e B o a r d c o u l d h e v e 3 1 atitude t h a n i s e l l o w e d b y

to u s f s r m o r e closely.
*

lives Hemlins

I T cdo not understand t h e t t h e

pleced a n y obstacle i n t h e w a y o f sxemining t h e
-t

benks

i n eny w a y y o u may csre to, proviced y o u p u t t h e


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Governor Seay:

T h e t i s t h e pointe

they a r e very desirous i n c e e d o f obtsining i n ‘tion, b u t t h e smount which w e vould b e compsllea t o
ft

t o b e s n L t e m of ic o n s e q u e n c e .

m seens

i

t 18

:

}»
they are compelisd t o submit
s double exemination, beceuse
to e x a m i n s t i o n

b y t h e S t e t e examiners,

s n d t o pey Lox

it.
Governor Crissinger:
Governor Seay:
examinetion

m

e i t isn't worth anything?

w i t e o f t e n t h e inadequacy o f t h e

i s f e l t n o t o n l y b y ourselves,

b u t b y the

benks.
r

ir, Hamlin:

2

T h e t i s t h e r e a l cifficulty.

the statute v e ere compelled t o essess t h e
spesinst t h e b e n k s .

thet y o u

s yery considerable obstecle.
ir, Hamlin:

T f y o u g o i n s n d make 9 complet: sxem-

tor
s;netion t h e l e w i s imperative t h a t y o u shoulda charge

it.
Governor Seay:

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felt compelled t o make this ruling. I
believe t h e t i f t h e l a w c a n b e cmendesd s o a s t o l e a v e
diseretion o f t h e r e s e r v e b e n k s e n d t h e
het i t w o u l d be s v e r y e x c e l l e n t thing.
You r s v o r

s m e n d m e n t o f the lew t o

Sit 6G?
Governor D e n y =
h

e Gj o

a
3

iners purely f o r the purpose o f credit
Go n o t sttempt t o find out t h e solvency o f
s gener-l checking up, b u t simply invessnd f o r t h e t I heve mace
4

because I

3

t h a t under t h e ruling o f t h e
to G o thet, beceuse w e wanted that

ation, e n d w e could n o t g e t thst credit ine
fozmetion f r o m t h e state exeminsrs!' reports;

w e cannot

h
e pepser s l o w ,
fine o u t f r o m those reports w h e t h e r t
end w e g o i n end mske those invest
thet

w e s h o u l c hevse t h e i n r o r m a t i o n

+ h a t comes

from a


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t exemins tion.

W e heve n o t sssessed t h a t charge

soinst t h e banks,

h

t w e were permittsd t o c o

a

thet under t h e rovised ruling o f t h e Boerd.

I

t it om

wrong I would like t o b e set right shout it.
Governor Crissinger:

M i r e Austin, w i l l y o u tell u s

how you hondle the situation i n Phileelphis ?
Mr. Austin:

‘ h e n w e instructed o u t examiners t o

stert i n exemining bonks, w e found that our state
ment wes very much disorganized, a n d thet they hac s o
few exenliners, w h o h e d s o mich t o G o thet t h e y could n o t
thoroush exsmination o f t h e institutions, s n d our
sorvice w a s

t h a t 9 good meny o f t h e i n sti-

s o satisfactory

tations. J 6 i e c > t e system, w o have been told, becsuse
they w e n t e a t o g e t t h e e
SOy 0 .

R O S S

o f t h o s e sxsminations.

e

| H eed.
am n o

charge for

vhen t h e smouncement w e s mace t h e t w e would have t o
member b s n k s v e r y

charge: f o r thet vork,
much.

T h e y s s i d t h e t t h e r e w a s o n e f r s e servic:

w i t h é r e w n f r o m t h e system, a n d they were

wes g o l

going t o get out of it. i
up 3

that

t

p e u t thet time

w e h e d w&o r k e d

e
m i n a t i o n o f banks, which were
for s the aWES
of forms
fant:

quite comprsnensive and, i f garry ed out, w o u l d meke t h e


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noturs l l y v o u l d

inersasgs

shoroughly
n+ exanine tions, t h e i r bili- voudc

them F O r 1h.

S a l Bin O l e

“ork t h a t w e d o i n

DiBey O S
ar

Wie Gi sone

businsss e n c
suggestions w h i c h w i l l b e o f
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Lig
and é@loss

relations w i t h t h e m w h i c h t h e y d o n o t w a n t t o

they e r e willing t o p a y u s f o r w h a t w e d o f o r

qa? H a i n s

“

e

r

r

i

g t o your exeminetion:

n

is n o t t h e s t e t e e x s m i n a t i o n ?
Austin:

W e s t i l l c o o p e r a t e w i t h t h e state,

nominelly

e

x

o

minetion,

genc. t h e m i n t o t h e

n Pennsylvenis?

New Jersey end v~elewere

in Delswere.
Ts t h e r e

this s u e s t i o n ?
65
thas t

aiffileulty, t h e t

We- a r s


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Bozrd t o e x e m i n e t h e s t a t e b a n k m e m b e r s

yeer, 3 n c €ven though w e g o i n with t h e state e x e
eminer a n d m a k e t h e exaemins

w

e e r e l i k e l y t o examine

s bank thst i s not borrowing f r o m us,
could n o t place i t upon
stion f o r c r e d i t invsstigation.
As Governor 3 : e a y h a s b r o u g h t out, o u r p r o t e s t c o m e s
whsn w e make m

sxaminetion

ing 3

i f

m

a

of 2

k

e

bank t h s t i s n o t borrow-

L

o

r 2 % *1. Taose

protests f r o m thé t a t e b e n k s havs come i n sin-lg a s
examinations weBse maae s n d c h a r s
ave t h r e a t e n e d
System o n t h a t sccount.

e r e mace,

e n c sorie t w o

to

Q u r Letts

protests s e e m t o h a v e p l s c a t e d
pecsuse t h e y h e v e n o w a c t u a l l y
babys AUSSLMs

T h e action o f t h e

been entirely voluntary.

“ e have i n s i s t e d u p o n it.

told them there woul’

b e no h a r d 6 :

g o r criti-

went o u r cooperstion a n d
wanted t o depenc. o 1 e l y u p o i e x e o m i n a t i o n s ,
they h e v e sgreed t o have u s continue o u r relations
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Can you state what items y o u include:
in y o u r expenses,

a n d d o t h e banks p a y y o u o r t h e state

department?
ir, Austin:

T h e b a n k s p a y us.

W

e deajwith t h e

banks end w e charge the banks wibh the expense,
Mr, Perrin: I n c l u d i n g whet?
Mr, Austin:

R e i l w a y sfares,
hotel obills, a n d a
3

per diem sslery for the men for the cays they spend
examining t h e banks.

I

t i s distinctly understood w i t h

the Bosrd thst w e would not have t o make a n y charge f o r
overisad t o t h e banks,

o r f o r esny w o r k o f e x a m i n e t i o n

in our o m office, b u t only charge for ths time
sctuslly sp=nt i n t h e bank b y the m e n e n d t h e other
HSEecessery ‘ e x p s n s e s .

hin. LicClue:

D i s * r i c t , while we hevena't

got v e r y m a n y s t a t e banks, W

h

trouble i n the district situstion,

e 5

a

g o o d deal o f

W e w o r k i n cooptra-

tion w i t h t h e s t a t s b a n k sxemincrs, l

of t h e Bosrd came o u t w e nhac c exsrniine

when t h e ruling

s e t i n touch

with t h e m snd g o a n d cell o n then, H e r e t o r o r e
been making our examinations a t t h e same time,

T h e

Sormissioner w o u l d notify u s 2 n d w e would send our exem~


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examination

braska,
Te W e e

s

y

a e a y Very 5

s
i

S si

w i t h tke State

t

e

m

,

f t e r o u r exsminer

calisd o n him, stating t h e t h e would n o t o n l y g e t out o f

the system himself, b u t thet n e would recom
the s t a t e

Heeth:

I n the Chicago district w e ere follow-

the method o f credit examination purely,
We eré charging f o r i t and
number o f cosss o n our books right n o w
Cirect charges a g e i n s t t h e b a n k s f o r

In the beginning w e found that three o f o u r
exeminations, c i d not report a n y
ntsinsecd o n t h e t w o s h e s t s

o f

many o f our own examina-

the method i n most


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up f o r t h e m s e l v e s .

a

e =

a t lssst

waen

our

there, the state bank examiners w i l l do that.
benk cormigsioners

i nthree instances have lergsly a x

Fy
with us thoroughly, thsy

our o w n e X s m i n

waieh t r e Federal n ePsa ce r v e
have.

no


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it meet t h e spproval o f t h e eboaerd?
that b e c a u s e t h e quese

orresponemce w i t h me.
H e has stated i t i n one way,

Governor Criss inger:

think w o u l d n o t m e e t w i t h t h e a p p r o v e

which I

your
with t h e m i n making t h e examinetion,
member

I , personally,

w o u l d feel thet thet would

o f}

no Gantet w i t h
Governor

r

b e n e f i t o f i e licClure,

r E

and possibly e s a correction o f 4

i n t t h e k r . Austin

to le* Perrin,
not charge t h e banks f o r s o mich o f our examination a s
crecit exemination,.
Thet i s w h a t I

Governor Norris:

T h e s t a t e exsminer accepts that,

end, b y resson o f the f:
our exeminsrs e s <

wanted t o b r i n g out.

s

s M r * Austin steted, t h e t

l e sre b e t t e r “ r a i n e d m e n a n d work

Long: r
in this investigation
yrobsbly c o s t y o u

cost ogsinst you will be about 3400, but the state's


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bill will be cut down t o sbout e thoussnd, s o that the
totsl cost t o you o f the two exami..ations will certainly

not be any more, snd probably be less than the state's
n
s thet
bill would be if we made enother e x a m i n a t i o n , ’ a
hss b e e n very effective.
Mee -Popeine I

hed i n mind.

would like t o bring s e t h e point I

O f course, w e are 911 very desirous o f

e-teablishing the most cordial cooperation between the
State B a n k i n g D e p a r t m e n t s

a n d o u r banks.

I

t appears

to me that when they give u s the reports, a s they d o i n
oN,

our district, {-state reports without charge, that any
little assistance w e might b e able t o render t h e n b y nave
ing c r e d i t i n v e s t i g a t i o n s m a d e b y t w o o r t h r e e e x e m i n e r s

concurrently w i t h theirs---

i n many cases i n smell banks

by s i m p l y o n e s c m n i n e t a > < t h e

i t i s highly d e s i r s b l e t h a t

we shnoule g e t t h e b e n e f i t o f s u c h i n v e s t i g a t i o n

a s they

may b e concurrently making, b e c e u s e o u r credit inv-stigetion will b e mare effective s n d will give u s better i n formation, becsuse w e will g e t t h e benefit o f anything
i s
the state exeminers t u r n u p 9 s well e s thet whith
velaped b y our o w examiners.
aminers a n y longer;

I

t goesn't t a k e our ex-

i t takes l e s s time, snd--it, o s Nas


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sugsestea,
t h e state examiners profit b y t h e contact
Oo
skillec exeminers, s u r e l y t h a t i s a l o n g

establishing ¢ better standard o f benking, a n d

Soesn't have definite objection t o our following
thet greactices, w e would Liks t o coutinuc i t ,
Mr. Austin:
workeo, t o p e t h e r

I

n our examinations t h s y have a l l

s s one Y o

pes w e t CoO

iy. Austin:
ie

e

I

e

o s o m e ‘toric

c

h meke u p a report

t i s the ectual cost t o us.

D e e r IT

Ly A B S Gia

u

meen t h e stats charge?
b

e

s

e

d o n t h e time t h e

Giem salary o f the met
spent e
1 y

l

b i l l se

i

end

t

5

n

t h e benk, e n d
o

} ?.

g i@

X D h2 n 8 s s 8 .

which c o llects

.
tir. A u s t i n m e aan t

t h e state


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mak es
which c o m e s

i n

under statute, t h e
o-92 Ga)

e n SuUrpIUss

m i g sio: snd they don't tate ell that

there i

9 state

T o m o

. b O . B i e m in this

t s

orgenizetion
ar t h e y h e v s tiseured o n w h e t 6

those circumstonces y o u could n o t g o t o them w
argument t h e t t h e feo i s sbout t h s sams, becauss
benk h e s

D

3

h e stete f e s , b e s e d o n cepitel e n d

you meke. I

morely call

aifficulties.
im m e n y

surplus

Mertin:

I

n meny stetes t h e t hes slways b e e n


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the b e s i s o f

ire MeClure:

a

o

r

s

t

e

m

c you

to s s y thet the Federal Reservs
pert

o f the exerine tion

Governor N o r r i
(oye)sri

4.06 Lures

on tnet,

t h e r e a n y psreent3age t h e t y o u fol-

o r h o w <o¢s 4

ix, Austin:

W e keen e

cio ms out?

record o f
Snd t h e

any iastitu-

by hours taen.

that

i t was


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p

l

e

i

n

w e e r s hav-

outlying districts,

especially G o w n i n the lower e n d o f -siné H e r e T e i s e
matter o f t w o d a y s t o g e t d o w t h e r s , a n e I

s u p p o s e =the

cherges msde to those benks sre felt
Governor Calkins:

tremely interssting e n d hes
-yestion, thet we ere sll of us msk
tions, e n d thet w e

of the Fedsrel reserve banks without
vestig ations. I

belisv:

w e ghould continue t o moke this

cherecter o f credit investigetion i f w e c o n meks i t w i t s

nd that can be dong b y the Pecersl

jnvestigetion", 9 n ¢ &strictly 2 5 possible
occurs i n the l a w “exeminstion’.

we be. do. b A O s Ss

jn concucting t h e business,
cleared.

Governor Crissinger:

I t a-velops thet t h r e ere

now 2 b o u t f o r t y - f i v e s t a t e s t h a t h a v e d i f f e r e n t

r u


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about it, end 1 co n o t know vhether a n y further CefiniLON. -O-4- A G e i l e J O S a y . 6 0 0 e O r not.

iin. Jay:

S o m e thing has b e 2 n said about o n e o f

t h e nationel benks,

i nes

funcsmental ices g

2 fact thet i n most o f thm etetes essessments e r e mads b y t h e State Bcnking Cspertments n o t only
on t h e b a s i s o f t h e s m o u n t o f t i m e s p e n t b y t h e s

examiners i n the bank, b u t o n the besis o f ecspitel
surplus, m o r e o r l e s s 6 s o u r n o t i o n s l b e n k a s s e s s m e n t s

to b e made, because t h e state lews s r e copied e f t
53

a w , s n d thererore,

wito a

or t w o hundred co llers.
Governor Cslkins:

T h e y have t o p a y r o r

ation b y t h e s t a t e cGepartmer w h e t e v e r t h e b a s i s f o r t h s
charge m e y b e

to them.

I t seems t o i s i t is

on the benk, when i t hes e n axaminetion o f sorts, enyhow,
for which i t hss t o poy,

f o r u s t o coms along e n d charge

shother couple
Governor Sesy:
a

vency i s pretty closely releted


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Governor 3eey:

r

e

. 62cm s

distinction

sxemination f o r s o l v e n c y a n d f o r purposss
the e x t e n t

of

t o w h i c h t i s reserve b a n k s h o u l d

extenc crecit,
Hatten F S i des
exeaminstion s h o u l t b e

Governor Seay: T

think itu would b e better t e

abrogste t h e charge altogether.
tir. Hamlin:

T h e troubles w i t h t h e t i s t h a t w e h a v e

tas lew.
i

Governor S e s ;

you mace it. i
would

o

b e a n adimirs

w owes n o t r e t r o a c t i v e w h e n

§ t h a t i n our tudgment i t
t h i n g

t o h e v e Ene. f

Peis

chergerfor exeminstions e t least

the Fedzrel Reserve Board, b y
lir. James: W Y o u l é n ' : thet b e 2 m t n e r
the state sank o v e r t h e nationsl benk,

i f they “ i d n o t

heve t o p s y f o r

Governor =eesy;

c

ae that,
o not ses

national b e n k h a s t o p a y for one anyhow.


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L132
t|

peys f o r one through t h e ¢

i m

a

n

d has t o

pay for two.
lin. Curtiss:

Governor 3é6a3
think, I

N o t slwseys.

Y o u r cose i s the o n l y excezption, I

hseve

Governor
bank { o s s n o t

Hemlin:
there s c e m s

e h e d settled this, b u t

v

risti

t o b e tui 8

i

n t h e practices

the states.
Governor Bsiley:

O

u

i

n the

trict grows o u t o f t h e fect t h q e have cons

tried t o follow t h e resulstions o f the Board,
August 21.
ectly, e n d

n a k e a charges where t h e c h a

did not make t h e cherte w a
purely o f t h e credit type.
out this matter before u s e n c they
cherge sgeins

h e stsets bonks

not essesseé e n y acci tional cherge, although t h e

in


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benks m i s t p s y t h e c h a r g e s s s e s s e d b y t h e s t a t e b a n k i n g

commissioners i n their respective
states, a n d also pay
“
the Ghargs escosgse

t

h

e Federal reserve

is e x s e t l y t h e source o f o u r trouble.

n

e

i s t h e ceuse

our lesion w i t h our state member banks, t h e fact that

But y o u d o n o t think a n y o f the state
withdraw o n sccount o f that?
It seems

m

e iteac

i

e U n e ee

state banks

1%.ieoun =
in m a n y cesses,

Governor Young:

T h e method of essessing state

banks f o r examinations h a s c a u s e d s o m e d i f f i c u l t y

district.

in

O u r exominer reports this, e n d o f course
extreme c a s e t o illustrate h i s point.

Sup-

9 state bank s t “hite River, South Dskotea,
apitel o f 325,000, a n d total liabilities
n “150,000, t h e examiner must travel from
to Sioux City, spend one whole night over
Iowa, a n d go fromtuere
Norfolk, Nebraske,

t o Norfolk,

t o Winter, South Dakota,

being constently o n t h e train until 8:30 i n the scvening;


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SL b y sutomobile,
eaasee-- b y st:
but consumes m o r e time--- arriving o t
Sf) 9romamately n o o n o f t h e s e c o n d d a y s i t e r i s a

kiinnespolis.

H e c e n n o tpossib
snc cénnot comfollowins e y ,
inisapolis o n

“nestion
ana

asutonobile a n d

reversl o t h e r c a g e s s n d t h e n t o s s i n t

t h o o m soap d o t

assessing b y the national benk exsminsrs,
wnsre t h e t b e n k w o u l d o n l y p a y 3 bout
soneble

a r s

o

r :uch &

smell bank.

T h a t bon

c e -noet


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stand a 3150,00
thet t h e m e t h o d o f s s s e s s i n g f o r e x a m i n e t i o n s

o f state
that u s e d

They obgeet
fornia.
iuBw> Peprias G o v e r n o r Crissinger
i n Cslifornia

cituation

which

i s that each

epertment m e k e s s n y e s e

bank must p o y i t s ennual assessment.
bank examination i s accepted b y t h e stets dex

ment, i n lieu o f its own, then w e assess the
a n c

L

A

A

STC. .LiLsS

Jéeoartment

ermouns.to

then

authority

t o d o that.

particulsr p o i n t w i t h thnemn.


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Ths l a v s a y s t h a t t h e state

Feceral reserve bank's
The s

c e p e r t m e n t would n o t zamit

O

ts insbility t o make

W s m i n s t i o n s , o f course.

ITunderstend thet, b u t they will sci n l i e u o f thse o x e m i n s t i o n

cept y o u r e x s m i n a t i o n

of

sasther t h e y h a v e suthorate o u t o f t h e i r i

s m o u n t necss-

k

gary t o psy u s for our charge o r note
think w h e t u r ® J a m e s refers

: t o v e r n o r Calkins: I

is this, t h a t t h s t a t e cepartment m e y scespt o u r
tion i f w e p r e s e n t

Mr* Perrin: I

i t t o t h e m w i t h o u t chargs.

b the
presume substitution w o u l s e

proper expression.

Governor ‘@ridsinger; Your stete only makes one
ok
exemination?
Governor Calkins:

T W O .

Governor Crissinger: 7

provides f o r one?

Governor Calkins:
Governor Crissinger: © And you g o i n ond mseks
cond o n e s n d have n o t been charging f o r that?

to


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Governor Crissinger:

not

i s

e

n irresuler sxemlue-

tion.
ire Perrin:

have not been meking annusl exeminetious
Governor heDougal:

quiry--- the subje i s y “ I s i t d-sirsble e n d preeticel
to m a k e

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boards

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Governor Crissinger:
question,
out

t h e t t h e c h s i r m e n shoulda g s t

a n snswer

t o it.

Governor McDougal:

Y o u will b e imposing

e s


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stey settled, ix.

COWN
Governor C a l k i n s :
to.-bne<laet p h a t t i e m e t t e

solves i t s e l f i n t o t w o
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Governor Crissinger:


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“) c e s t i o n

ques tion i n v o l v e d

roeticeble"

the i n f o r m a t i o n

c iable
t c tao ru s
pe
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42
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men
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the

irabi-lity o r

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in m

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tne era
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ment

s

St

oa t h s

using s u c h i n f o r m a t i o n

in

constantly doing.
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d

Governor Calkins:

be)
member
a $l
control

n

set i n c o n l u c t i n g

bank borrowings b y t h s
Inquiris Se S

Governor Crissinger:

Largely without cepencing o n

the r a t e ?

Governor Calkins:

Ve-y lergely.


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cs £ 4 ’
i g $
N
e
y e o +
Crissinger
Governor

J a
T W na sn tt i
s

general result
giitferent districts,
you a r s d s s l i n g w i t h t h e m o r e

EPOL L S b y t o s rate,

the terge eities, t h e less
other v o r d s , y o u c s nmno
rule which
‘Then y o u control i t b y t h e

rate i n thes lerge

e s , i t i s reflected beck i n the
pnet E r u e s

Governor Young: m e a t s
belt6
. SES

Y o u mean that

Governor
iin. Jey:
Governor

Grissinger:

s

s
e bhi .

n y P-O S G e O fL FFLing
A S
O mIb La aaS e“DUP

+4 cage

District a n d y o u r a i s e t n e

in New York, t h e b a n k s o u t there


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I know soms casss w h e r e i t was actually
the i s s t t i m e t h e y r a i s e d i t a helf o f o n e p e r c e n t

in New York,
iir, JBY~s T h a t m a y possibly have b e e n done.
Governor Crissinger: I

a m just saying t h a t i t re-

vlects back, t h a t i s all.
Vp, Jays

I t may o r i t mey not, b u t i f you attempt

to stop the expension o f credit b y
sreat credit center, y o u will f i n
beck country cennot g e t i t s t a n y v
Cov. Criss ingen:

T h e t i s what w e é

at

{
t r y i n g t o heve dis-

and this question h s s r u n atiay f r o m us.

u d
et's

the. conference?
Governor sSsay: I

think t h e subtect has b e s n ex-

haus ted.

Governor Crissingsr:

I f there i s nothing further,

ll g o t o t h e n e x t s n e s t i o t
ve

o n t h e progrem, N o . 4 .


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hg movements

oar

#@ w i l l h e a r
ie C u r t ies:

clot L g n t

I would like t o ec: y o u r 6
monetary.

t o c a y some cherks

a

P

h

e ct Les

here s h o w s t h e —

e dotted lines u p

h

top line i s the world

present yeer sre the estimates; t h e lest line, 1925,
is a l s o e n e s t i m a t e

o j

will find i n the case o f |

t

h

e same thing y o u

States sold, w h i c h

is the Tressury statement, e n d which sgain
weates a t the end s s t o October 21, 1925 o f
besnk s o l d end t h e federal reserve @ l d ; 3

Poceral reserve zold starting i n i n 1914 (indiceting)
fhe netionsl m d

i n a t i o n a l 9sp:

t

h

e gold

movement curing the pest year are best summorized b y the
following tebuletion:


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1922

Tyelve s o n t h s s n a
4

p>

Osa. =

T

:

y

O n e

"

4

2

1

, 170,000

t n e

cpegibeci rate) a0

256,365,000 2 1 9 , 1 3 7 , 0 0 0

39,661,000 350,977,000

239,026,000 ~143,802
280,322,000
~ 14,914,000
Tacresse
notes i n

4,315,000

festurss

~207,240,000

of t h e 192"

(1)
country c u r i n g
jncreass

lvs m o n t h s

c i n g

!4 “261,000,000,
e
nae t gold

°236,000,000.
t o over
ee s l t h o u g h n e t sola imports smountsd

‘236,000,000, g o l d holdings i n the
tneressed slightly less than 340,000,000.
250,000,000 increase i n gole certi


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after subtracting the 415,000,000 ceeold eoin i n ¢irowlation, p r a c t i c a l l y
ell o f t h e cold imports o f t h e yser vent i n t o ectual
Giveu lation,

O

f t h e “ t e r e Ll Sa nerSetsS

o F ore

i e

e i

lation, smounti-g t o 3329,000,000, t h e
6 Over... tives

Tae rscent thorough exemiastion o f t h e netionsl trade

balence by the Depertment of Co. msreé shows that lest
the
year's n e t -old imports w e r e n o t @ # cirect result o f
surplus o f merchondise exports o v e r imports.
yesr 1 9 2 2 n e t g o l d i m p o r t s

amounted t o 3238,000,000 ss sgeinst .1754,000,000 surplus
merchandise exports, over imports

M m e cejertinent oai~
mach
secur-

to. A r e r i é s n i n v e s t o r s ,

a

0

Amokican
Money s e n t
BYLO.

foreign m o n e y i n v e s t e c

holdings o f foreign


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smounted t o slightly over ::1,007,000,000 o r some
3320,000,000 more then the credit o n account o f
cigs e x p o r t s u r p l u s

S o n e light i s thrown o n

ent e n o m e l y o f t h i s

might b e celled t h e flosting incebteansss o f
world

t o American bankers

e n d mercnents.

uncuestionsably

1919 s n d 1920, v h e n our surplus exports

heights a s 34,000,000,000 end 33,000,000,000, resp’
F o r t h e most pert i t mist have been carrisd

ly.

this country s m o n g accounts receivable, o n c neturelly)
would b e the wish o f foreign merchants s n c banke
reduce this kind o f incs!
pay i t off.

I

t hss b e s

m e t e d o n good authority

thet i n July, 1921, o p e n sccounts o f this charocter c u e
to Amsri c e n business n o u s s s

37'75,000,000, o f which $375,000 O
ing i n July, 1922.
MeN
ayi

a

n

e

r

was still outstand-

e i s g o o d rssson t o essume t h a t

e Ey

the process o r repsyrent h a s continued :

t h a t current

£

As

gold imports, t h e n e t balance o f which during t h e past

twelve months amounted t o 3236,000,000 conteined a goodly


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147
proportion o f gold srising o u t o f repayment o f these

875,000,000 o f open accounts.
The movement between districts i s rather difficult

to vork out curing this sane period,from October lst,
1922, t o October 1 , 1925.
The Boston bank gained i n gold 46,000,000 a s shown
a

b

y t h e reduction

to 336,000,000;

i n its*opsn morket securities

t h e New York bank lost 357,000,000;

1 537,000,000; Cleveland gained
°54,000,000; Richmond lost 24,000,000, Atlanta lost
385,000,000; C h i c a g o gained 2,000,000;

S t » Llonis lost

29,000,000; i i n n e s p o l i s gsinea eporoximetzly t w o

willion, Kansas City lost seven million, Dellas lost one
million, s n d Sen Francisco gained thirty million.
T heve t r i e d to, traos o u t ,

n the

i

t o soms

Boston bank, w h y w e either gsined o r lost t o
other Gistricts.

T

t esems t h a t t h e B o s t o n b e n k i n v a r district;

the Richmond district;

e heve

w

gsined f r o m t h e Phile-

g

e

i

n

w e

e

d r r o m the

ct; w e have gained f r o m t h e Chicago cistrict.
generslly l o s é heavily t o t h e Minneapolis district.


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is c o m i n g from,

1922
Wis 5
n e e
Zaglsnad,

from Germany.

thet w e c e n trace directly t o

is n o c o u b t

want t o Ceanece e n d c a m e through i n that wey.
I should b e glad c n g s w e r a n y cuestions,
Jo n o t t h i g k I

neve

overnor

I
purmelled enough, h e cesses resistsncs
ell t i r e d s n o u g h s o t a s t y o u H e b e n o t e e i s s

to meke, o r will agree,
argument

hope y o u a r e


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256
rscomize thres methocs o f
(1) T h r o u g h o p e n m e r k e t
o f diseretion

2) T h r o u g h e x e r c i s s

i n mek-

T h r o u g h t h e fixing o f

to mambser banikts; :
reciscount r a t e s .

fourth method,
pears, h o w e v e r ,

b

fuller infornetion

pert o f t h e m e tno a

e reslly o

o f 2 mombe p y n i k ' s condition e n d

f o r re-~
etions, v o u l d undoubtecly + s y e e l sound reasons
~ b e n s disposed t o expend
unéculy.
f thess thres

to meke open market
Oops srat

5Lons

tO

strain

S

s o f sme

{

n

e

s

s

c o u l d nos


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course, s u c a
ine luce Governinent securities,
e of ciscretion

i n g r e n t i n g scavences i s

action e n d i s o b v i o u s l y erfective.

r granted o r refused.

T h e method hes t k

banks w h o s e l o a n s

t o custoniers

remotely a f f e c t s c b y o p e n

market opctretions s d

i n the finencisl centers, t h e r e s p

pears to, b e n o o t h e r
aavences t h e n b y t h e

becn b e l o w t h e r a t e b o r n e b y

the pgper w h i c h they have reciscounted for their member
banks. O b v i o u s l y , u n d : r s u c h conditions there c e n b e n o


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sdvances s u c h ¢ s w o u l d
vere h i c h e r t h e n t h s t b o r n e

T h s sxtent t o which resula-

reciscountec.

tion o f the volume o f credit

i s feasible through tis

influence o f t h e discount rats,

a r e s

i

s cJetermined

chiefly b y t h e extent o f t h e sentimentel effect o f
¢hanges i n the rete, rather t h e n b y t h e element o f profit
This sentimental importsnce attaching t o a n
Federsl reserve rediscount rate i s doubtless
fact t h a t c u c h e n e d v a n c e i s i n e f f e c t 6

wern-

Ecelaration b y Federsl r e serve suthorities that
ding t o o repidly s n d should,
fety, s l o w cown i t s pace.
Gecisration w u l d surely b s regare

S u c h 2

s s too important
most d e l i b e r e t s e c o n s i d e r -

s

chengses

and.

G t S P V o as

impracely c h e n g i n g : e r e s s e r v e d i s c o u n t r a t e i s t h u s
ticsble -+--- $

Fedora

e s e r v e r a t e i s therefore n o t


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ous t o the Benk o f Sngland rate, which reflects
sensitively a

surplus o r lack o f funds in. the London
i n the past, chenged

bill markst, o n d hes sccordingly,

conssquently changes
the c i s count r a t

then o t h e r r e c u l e t o r y

the extent that t h i s v i e w i s correct,
must sccordingly sttach t o t h e u s e

e r s Li C p a

three m e t h o d s m e n t i o n e d
exercise

o r

n

e ciscount

ll snother m e a n s

tion
tion

war, w e could not s e e t h e
=

book c r e d i t

o r f o r note

we could i n orcer t o create g r e a t e s t possible power
eredi ts W i t h t h e Armistice, November l l ,


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i
ESS
1918,

w e snded the w e

to combined lLisbi y

h

e spstem's ratio o f

st t h e t time wes (November 15,
With t h e c o m p l e t i o n o f t h e

19, this
borrowings f o r var, purposese

then (liey 16, 1919) 51,1 per cent.
serve Boerd hed hsd s pre-war becksround o f
occesions spplications v o r Feceral reserve notes, i t
not improbebls t h e t sfter t h e Victory L o s n t h e Board
2gpre-war practice, although
$6 w o u l d b e n a t u r e l

t o refrain f r o m t h e n initiating s u c h

It i s e n i n t e r <

a g speculation 3 s t o what

would heve besn t h e resulting sifect enon, 2 6 credit

situstion curing ths following period i f the Federal reserve Bosrd hed compelicd the paying out of golc o r
gold c e r t i f i c e t e s

b y rejecting spolicetions

f o r Fe-

3
yeserve n o t e s f r o m a n y Meacresl r e s e r v e b a n k h a v i n g

ree

gerveratio i n excess of, say, 4 5 per cent. ( T h i s power

is conferred upon the Boerd by Section 16 of the Act,
see page seven.)
“Qbviously, 2

Federel reserve b a n k being called upon

for currency e n d heving h e d its application f o r Feceral


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241

vould h a v e b e e n a c l i c e d

to ¢xXpension.
p
i
e
l diego! Oe

efter t h e Victory l o s n bscsuse
morsl oblisgstion t o thos¢ w i h a i vledged their
credit t o buy Victory b o n d
thet t h e redcdiscount r a t #

New Y o r k f o r n i n e t y < :

s

- $ypiceb-ei- this

the Fedsral reserve

w e s meintained

O o i

bank

of

s t four

“yersers p e r c e n t from April 6 , 1918, until

9 means

o f resulsting t h e volume

ssem thet, nevertheless,

a n inpor

leit hove b i e n ecfisetes
through exercise o f the B o crd's right t o
tions f o r notes, t h u s c o m e l l i c s Federal reserve benks
to pay o u t gold o r gold certificetes 9 a.
lencing power,

I f such regulation

enough o r metcrieally lescen o r pre
sion i n the fsll o f 1919 sncsp

h

e g r e a t expsne


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most importent result.
might h a v e b e e n i n t h e

met s b n o r m s 1period,

ghia

62

Ons - 2 0 r n o t e s

from

bank heaving 2 reserve sbove say 350
Bosrd should impose e n

using

a

e

e

f

, except

26d. for them is great.
impotence

cones $nto congideraNovenber,

serve
VE E E S
f
ESAS
G R o Ac,

26 b e s e w o u l c a b e
me i m v i e w o f

eviber, 3L 9 2 0 , 2

t h e n e t imports o f


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2

4

3
W e a r e warned

gold have b e e n 1164 million dollars.

that this excess g o l d should n o t b e mede t h e basis f o r
new credits becsuse,

a s their credit balences ensble

them t o commend it, i t must b e re-exported t o other countries s o t h a t t h e y m s y r e - e s t a b l i s h t h e i r c u r r e n c i e s

upons gold basis.

It hss been sug’ ested that w e meitteally car-merk
he

regard i t # 5 hi

4 billion dollars o f gold d
sort o f trusteeship.

T h e retention o f this excess

a g a part o f Fecerel reserve b a n k reserve:

hovever,

weekly publication o f t h e fact that our reserve retio
abnormally high, constitutes 3

continuous

I t seems 31lso t o b e 3 constant

erecit infletion.

éisturbing f l s u n t o f o p u l e n c e s f o r s e d i s t r e s s e d

countries.

mot good.

fo

e psycho

h

I n eadition, i t inspires many
reserves.

ed. these S

we shall b e callec upon t o
portent

pa

tioned whe

t

h

t

cessful t o hold
eearemerked e s 46

i

h

s gold, o n e i t m s y b e

e interval,

e x c e s s re é
r

en
u

s

e tentatively

o s h o u l d f a i l t o maine


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tain t h e self-~cenyings ¢
contraction w o u l d b

c

ior

f F poscsssion w i t h o u t use,

e b l e wv

t h e tine e s m e f o r

exporting t h e gold.
It seems t h e simplest 2 n d ssfest method f o r
reserve banks sctuslly t o cispossess themselves o f this
excess gold.

e no bettsr w a y than t o l e t
There couldb

it become s part o f our circulsting medium.

I

n sucn

tbywould not go out of the country, i t would not
®m®uld e
7
depleted b y exports, s n d meanwhile, w o u l d not

unneturally d i s t o r t o u r n o r m a l c r e d i t b a s e p L polce

All forms o f currency i n circulstion e r e constently
flowing i n © slov stream through ¥Yedtral reserve benks.
This vL1ll continue

money i n Fecrrsa

t o b e trvus “ n e t h e r t h e f o r m o f paper

e a r v s notes o r gola certific:tes.
are n o w psying

2,000 m i l l i o n ¢collers o f Fecderel r e s

be physicelly possible t o place 1,000
millions

o f gold certificates

i n circuletion i n «

months.

The sadventages growing o u t o f t h e scoption o f s u c h
succestions w o u l c b e


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subs tartlelly lower reserve ratio,

it

would b
e realized t h e t t h e reserves
credit a r e n o t s o large

In & period o f sxpandins business e n d rising ;
demand f o r loans b y business m e n would b e less
to b e excessive s n d “snisal o f loens b y bankers
would b e easier.
ii, ceppite a l l efforts t o prevent it, o r d i t infila«
tion should come, i t would b e literally impossible
for i t t o g o ®

f e r with a gold base o f two billion

dollars e s with a base o f three billion collars.
If the billion dollars o f excess g o l d were once

placed i n circuletion, i t could not b e used t o support edditionel rediscounts f o r member benks, s n d
could not b e brought b a c k into t h e System whenever
incoming g o l d certificates s n d
Fecerel r e s e r v e notes,
meking i t p@ssible

t o mest a

thus

cemand f o r g o l c f o r

export without diminishing t h e reserve retio a n d
thus disturbing t h e stability o f domestic business.
lerel reserve banks dispossessed o f this bil-


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axcess g o l d a n d t h e reserve

st 2 mors reesonabls level, t h e
favorable f o r t h e sdopbion
saditional t o others,
ng the volume
the c d v e n t a g e

o f |

of

c r e d t e T h i s method would
i

m

p

S

e

l a n d s u t e n e tic

el thet t h e maint=inence o f
hichest point p o ssible
It mey b e that

. tafluencec

8

h

s great necessity

accumulstins g o l d which hes sopeared i n times past.

s

the sarly day £

war w e very wisely sougnt t o

posinto t h e Federal Reserve S y s t e m e l l the g i d
we coulé not t e l l t h e extent t o which crscits
might b e

i

, b u t this emergency h s s passed on: t h e

& girebility o f meintginin: j

well b e reviewed i

'

e

af

a s s e c gold

the present. © 2

for this country
industry.
the m e s s i n g o f o n l y s


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stion t h s
tos c i x r c u l e t i o n

of

contemp Ls

the following provisions

through

no tes

be
notes i s s u e d

e

n

d

on o n l y t h e t e m o u n t o f
total s m o u n t

o f its out-

ding Federal reserve notes less t h e enount o f
gold o r gold certificstes h e l d


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nt 8 s c o l l a t e r a l s e c u r i t y . ”
It w i l l f o u b t l e s s

b e conzse..-d t h a t n o o n e i n d i v i d u a l

knew better t h e originel i n t e n t o f each provision o f t h e
Act t h e n t h e Honorsble Carter

As Chairman o f the Bonking and Currency Coimittee o
House, having the Federel Reserve bill i n chargs, h e
8 report upon it,
I quote the following (psg
maging t h e g e n e r s l c u e s t i o n “ h e t h e r

the public reaquiremer f

elasticity ( i n the volume

of Fed-rsl reszrvs noted) h a s b e e n met a n d proviced
Elesticity m u s t b e considered f r o m t w o standpoints ~

that o f expsnsion e n d that o f contraction,
the reculstory mecnanisim i s the.
which i s - i v s n t h e p o w e r

to

spolications
f o r notes.”
pars
From this i t s o .cars clear t h e t Cheirmen Gless h e d

shot the Federel Reserve Bosrd would freely sxer3S, wien,
tions

of permitting the volume o f Fedrrel
notes t o expsnd,

i n other o r c s ,


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ts right t o resulste t h e expension.
Resorvs System h a d béen i n ove retion
yeers b e f o r e

ths w a r ,

i t seems

not

i m

sdersl Reserve. Board might nave s d o p
the p r a c t i c e o
f vstoing,
reserve notes.

a t times, epplications f o r Federal —

T h i s w a s ¢ . 3rently anticipsatsa b y

Chairmen W a c e
In the powsr coorerrea b y the act, t h e Bosrd has
suthnority t o r e q u i r e F e . : r e l R e s e r v e B e n k s

t o reculate

credit expansion through regulation o f t h e g o l reserves
but. i t i s a l s o o b v i o u s t h a t ,

b y cooperetion,

t h e Federal

Reserve banks could voluntarily establish s u c h réculstion o f the volume o f gold reserves a n d consequent regulstion o f eredit cxpension.
ring Bomeras

H e d d a 4 G not sceomplish vnat y o u went

just a s much i f you took © billion: colljers i n gold end
tupnec i t over t o t h e * s e n t s f o r t h e r e d u c t i o n o f l i s b i l

ity cgainst outstercing not 3s? T h i e n w e woul: j u s t
charge o f f e billios Gollsrs i n our reports.

O f courss

they would b e outstanding, b u t ons huncure” cents
would

b e behind tnem.

lars Perrin:

t

t c o m ers “to: m e thet, psycholosic-ll,


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thoussnd million i s @ n 2cecuate

i

b a

t i s une

to heve e n y sbnoriel smount held, tantetively
ve b e l b e v e

i s for 5

témporary
Ey

gh t h e t e m p o r e r y p e r i o d m a y b e o n e y e s r o x

ebls, *ithout iisturbing our commerce we © O Heve t o give 1 t u p 822
ig w o r t h y o f t h e g v e a t e s t consiceration.,

lieve thtre i s ony way thet w e could cerry thet so
to L e t L t b e uncsrs 4

€:36 9

billion G o l l a r s w o u l e

you have t h e g o l d 2
--nats w i t h w a n k ht o p a y n o e s t h e t

they come in, z n d i n t h e othsr
eege y o u vould p e y tust ¢

2

out into circuletion s n d

put i t i n the sockets of. the people.

N o v , might there

5.5% goli b o k
go ore going t o hola o n t
*

into t h e Trcssury,


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thet n o t snother doller o f g o l d could w e

need f o r i t b e i n g

to b u y b i l l s o u r meturities

r of public nobtics,
sy merkét.

tust i s n o t known publicly.
Assuming t h a t w h a t y o u s e y i s 5
proper w a y , t h e q u e s t i o n i s w o u l s

if w e turned over 3

vise

_ t h e s a m e result

billion dollars o f gold

Ge not think so, bseceuse w h e n y o u

lites Perrin: I

have c o n e t h e t y o u w o u l d l e e v e o n l y t w o b i l l i o n t o c o v s r
=

tne n o t e s outstsndins,

e v e r y o n e o f then being c o v e r s

”

by s o l i ,

Se.

end

i t i s m o r e t h a n tiste.--

B R L

n

e

s 2 s s e r y then,

w e woul.

go

your plsn e n d restrict further i s s s a c e o f not?s
nec “SSEry.
psycho l o g y

of i t would b e vestly greater i f ws c i d not show i t i n
our p o s s e s s i o n ,


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lay Semi in:

V e¥

we w u l c shor :

in’ t

show £ 6 i n our reports,

P i i a ‘ o l l s r s l e s s o f Fecersl] reserves

notes outstanding,

But y o u would heve t o show.the gold.

Lr. Hamlin:

O f course osople would know where the

golé was, but our liabilitie ;
tollars,

i n which cese w e put

notes into t h e pockets o f t h e }
LP. Perrin:

W e has 5

very interesting statcmsnt

yest=rddéy from Mr, Stewart with regerd t o the proposal
now unéer ©
serves,

nsideration b y t h e Bocrd o f reststing t h e re-

i n which t h e banks

n k

c l s s s i f i e d e s one

hundred p e r cent, o r m hundred p e r c m t against their notes,

seventy per cent snd rifty per cent.
Governor Seay:

“ s s i t contemplated t o put thet

plen i n operation, t h e plen y o u epeak o f ?
lee S e e r :

A g s I

geathsrec f r o m ix.

is likely t o b e put into operation v e r y shortly.

iy, Hamlin:

Y o u mean the policy of having on

Db
hundred p e r cent sgsinst Federsl reserve notes,

policy o f the Bosra?
it, Perrin:

T h a t wes m y uncerstanding.

as


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Governor Harding:
between t h e

T h e t would meen discrimination
the verious banks o n tne pert o f

t e f

ths public.
Governor 5eay: i

ie f

Z i s c u s s e d a t all?

the G o v e r n o r s heave o p p o r t u n i t y

I

late: B B P :

t o h e a r s b o u t that?

v t h e Gov-rnors W i l l a s k ire Stewart,

vith Governor Crissinger's ocrmission,

5 m sure h e will b e gled

ment atout that, I
‘statement

t o meke « state-

t o youe

Governor Crissinger: I

co not think

this efternoon, b u t I will be glad t o heve
meks = statement tomorrows

Governor Seay:

o e s l i s e v e r y Governor

woule like t o be tsken into the
its f a s h m e
Gov ernor
cussion.

issue o f Pedereal R e s e r v e notes t h a t v e should
compelled

re :

e

e

I

r

s i n g erscit t o our member benks?

o t a l “ M o k e © bank vith 75 per


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Suppose i t cidn't heave sevent

The Bosrd would not deny your
sabege w a s n o t hign enough--It would b e within t h e discretion o f the
cersl reserve notes, e n d

o
e
,

a

if they <id e n y i t we should have t o deny crecit t o our

I Go not-think so, necessarily.
I n other vords, w e could only protect

ix, Homlins
golc r e s e r v e s .

ye Perrin:

B y peying ovt reserve paper s t torty

per cent~--ip, Bemis:

“ e - r o u l d n o b only neve t

protect o u r g o l « reserves

b y p s y i a g o u t FPecere

notes, b u t w e voulk: b e i n axectly~ the postition o f t h e
they hsvo pull c o m t h e i r reserves
U

“

h

e

n they pey out n o e s

cants o n t h e collereeGovernor Strong:

T h e n they would c o m e u p 2 n d b o r w w

from t h e Fecctral Reserve Benk o f New York.


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But isn't thers e n casier wey t o J o it,
it i
thon b y lisvine theses spots p u t o n i t Here s n d there?
possi bility o f i t beizg
voluntarily couse b y
through coopsretion.

it. a

f a c e

m

o s n k s themselves,

e

T n e Borrad h e s t h e p o w e r t o

the lestststsment only four o f the benks

less then :ifty-two per tent.
G o v e r n o r H a r c i n g :oO

T h i s metter

w e s brousn
<
2’ t

u p at

the lest conference i n iierch, w h e n t h e Governors w e r e
end succestions were s e d e t h e t something must b e
gold that. the Federel

spout this vest simoui f
reserve benks h e d h i s n d ,

o n€

ground thet i f something

wasn't dons sbout i t i t would heve infletion, a n c thet
things woulc hseopen,

T h o s é things which

" hevs n o t nco>snec,

veserve system s o weak 3 s t o b e compsred
who

hesn't got strength o f chorscter snough
whiskey i n ths house c n d b e sober s t the seme bias?
Hove y e u e n y information 9 s t o t h e smount o f Unitsa states


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69

currency e n d Feceral reserve notes t h e t a r s i n foreign
countries? I

d o n o t t h i n k ‘snyone has. I

know f r o m

eptember, 1917, t o July, 1919, w e had t o get permits t o

ship currency out o f the country, e n d we know thet
,170,000,000 went out curing thet
ixw® Jay F e d e r a l reserve notes?
Governor Harding:

O t h e r t h e n gold, o f which fifty-

two million went t o France t o p2y soldiers a n d supplies

aga Bo forth, J
countries.

W

er

T h e vest of i t went to other

e d o n o t know where, b u t w e d o know t h a t

51,700,000 went t o Russia.

S i n e s the restrictions have

peen removed, e n d i n view o f t h e egitation sbroad, i t i s
s well known feet that iuptéent paper money i s worth more

ebroad than gold;
ers sfreid the cold is going t o bs confiscated.

I t

e tasking $ 5 r e e t risk t o disseens t o mé it w o u l d b
sipete t h e g o l d r e s e r v s s i m p l y t o r f e e r b e c a u s e y o u h e v e

got the gol’ you sre going t o d o something foolish with
it.

T h s A c t o f June, 1917, m e d e t h e original chengs

tn the cherecter o f the Federel reserve notes.

T - hed

corresponcencs v i t h n o Gless, w h o was bitterly
at f i r s t t o m s k i n g t h a t change,

9 n d consented t o


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pera
Wat a e e r y .

epee t

pressur :

a

W

MS2asuree

ments s n d letters t o m e a r e B o a r d ' s
I heve c o p i e s o f them.

l i p . G l a t o o k -exeep tion t e

whet w a s d o n e b y t h e N e w Y o r k b a n k c n a t h e o t h e r b a n k s

their note iasuss b y t h e use o f psper e n c
to Meet redemptions.

I T hed some corre poncence w i t h

him before this l e w was pesssc

T h i s l e w o f 1917 w a s

war messure distinctly.

eg ¢

I

t heve

abies t h e t were made u p et t h s t time shovi.g h o w
ssential thet s e t wes t o the granting o f credit
o finsnce t h e Government e n d busines
“country curing t h e ver.perio. s n d immedistely

T must confess that I could never see any possi
in s l l t h i s . t h e o r e t i c e k b u s i n e s s a
22

out t h e gold, slter t h e figures, c n d :
e

¥

i

n

e to

h o e - SOR] o F

a2
t h ii n s tT o d oA i f y o u h a v e t h e g o l c

i s to take

it ond don't c o enythine foolish with it. b e ’
you s a y thet New York onc. the Philat¢elpnts bunks
9 huncared p e r c e n t s n a t h e t s o m e o p her ban's

end fifty, h o w sre y o u going t o avoid Ciscriminstion
egeinst t h e notes o f thoss benks b y t h e public?
Mey I euswer y o u b y pointing t o this


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Let u s eseme t h a t w e retein t h e gold w s n o w

heve 3200,000,000,

s n d that the time comes when w e must

begin t o r e - e x p o r t t h i s s o l a ?

Y o u m s t oncicer viretae

you would prefer 9 stable re: f

32,000,000,000, let

With some s u c h increes

ste, o r whether you woul’
tinuous amount, giving u p e n Ssverege ce
reserve, 9

fe reserve,

comfortsble, s

So

industry would not b e cisturbsd, o r rather heve "3,200,000, 0°
with exports sterting o u t s o that y o u vould he:e
36, 200,000,000, 3:3,009,000,000, 2,900,000,000,

e n d so

forth, a n d immeciately t h e question woulda srise i n every~

body! mind, épprehension w o u l d srise e s t o how far i s
this going? -

S

e

e

It w o u l d g o t o t w e n t y e i g h t h u n d r e d million,

h u n d r e d , twenty-six

this would tske somé months.
Governor Hordin:

B

u

t some

money i n
a d e n
tite P o r r o .

I

f w e have

constituting t h e c i r c u l a t i n g m s c i u m o f t h e country,
ig g o i n g t o f l o w i n t o t h e banks

i n such supply that w e


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perfectly stsble r e s
3xreentags, n o t t o o l o w n d n o t t o o high,
a

+ fund in publishing = bank's sta
if y o u h a v e a

loss y o u c h a r g e

i t assinst t h e conti

5

Pune - S w a e E V o s s n o u shor... 7

S21 i

recuction

upon

your surplus o f uncivia
this great reserve o f = billion dollers i n circulstion,
a

Governor Harci I

wish y o u woul r e a d t h e cor-

respondtnce between ur’ Gless e n d myself i n 1917,
resluctsntily c o n s 3

t h a t Act

committees

realized t h e t t h e character
a

must !

o r t h b e t o t e l l y chsngec;

t h s t i t n o longsr

hed t h e elestic chsreetsr i t rormerly
commodity, b u t
matter o f 5

the Fedsrel r e s 3
which e r e cesenti:
Don't y o u
8 r i s k thet

banks heve #ederal r e s e r v e notes
g o l d ¢

a )

e

s outstconcing.

i n k before w e C o snythirg that involves

w e hed better

f i r c out h o w much

is cbroed thet w e ere going t o b e celled o n
IT d o n o t b e l i s v e

thet is


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-able fact s n d I d o not belisve i t i s essential i n - c o n s i r ing the plan I suscest.
Governor G s lkins:

W h a t c o y o u think sbout t h e

psychological effect t h a t y e u r e f e r r e d t
o between e diminishec reserve o f thrse billion t o twenty-nine thousend

million, e n d the psychological effect o f the r e e r
shipment of one huncred millions o f gold t o Europe each
month o r esch week? “ o u l é n ' t t h e psychologicel effect

of the loss o f the gold i n one case b e just exsctiy t h e
sane 8 s i t would b e i n t h e other?
lir’ Perrin:

I n t h e one case i t would b e r s the papers

in New York, a n d i t would be, i n effect, a
port.

commodity. ex-

T h e p u b l i c statcsment o f t h e ratio o f t h e F e d e r a l

eserve benks! reserve i s 8 thing which would be serutin- —

ized carefully, much more csrefully then the gold movement out of New York--it. Joye

T h e paying o u t o f t h e c o l d w ule presumeb ly

be accomplished

s t s time w h e n thsre i s n o sola going
+

out o f the country, c n c there wouldn't b e ony scied exe
citement

t o it.

lia, Perrin: I

beg your p2rcon,
we peid out t h e gold i t woulk b e done


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quiet time, when there wouldn't b e the addec
excitement o f sripments o f s o l d sbroed.
ly, Perrin:

t w o u l d be well t o c o i t n o w

I

s¢ t h e t i m e v h e n i r o w i n g “ o w n
i reise

s p prehension,

i . susstion

wnother i t i s humsnly possible f o r us t o hold = billion
mors o f g o l d r e s e r v e e n d n o t u s e i t .

uss it, s s Governor Herding

Y o u <-.6) nob meve- t o

o r o p e r l yes

4t not t h e huvien thing f o r every o e n k e r

ressoneble limit?

V i e mey s o sheec

tle, n o t much, s n d then “rop b e k; w e m a y g o u p s littis
higher t h e next time, a a c s o on,
of years before w e got into it;

s the besis f o r 2: f o n 3 s l credit, vive huncrec million d o l l a r s

out

for u s t o impose upon ourselves 9

restraint volunterily

by adjusting o u r gola besis t o 8 besis which i s sa°quats
s s neer,
for our present volume o f erecit, w a s n w e ere

‘perhaps, o n e hundred percent procuctivity s s
other words, t h e credits n o w outstencing
we r e q u i r e
auction 3

7

f

t o keep o u r pro-

oW n e r e s s é o u r crsait


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without ineressing o u r production,

w e all know t h e t thet

step towercs infletion.
Governor

Y

u s s y t h e t t h i s s o l d hes n o t been

o

for credit.

Ilem q u i t e

s u r e thayt t u a t

thet they e r s borrowing n o w f r o m t h e
system

t o t h e extent

o f about three “uer-

4

sed their o w n crecit?
nd t h e banking system o f
upon s system o f recstrvss.
reserves w e r e lowered.

I

v

e know t o wi

t i s perieetiy true, a 4

mor Herding said, s t one t i m e t h e reserves o f
could n o t

of the country/heve becn meinteined i n their is
unless t h e reserves o f the Federsl reserve
nunéred p e r cent.
of
this country n o w i s w o l s t i v e l y v e r y l i t t l e i n excess

country i n 1914, i f you

Governor H a r c i n s

I

f y o u s o back t o t h e o l d reservs

on
requirements, a n d m a l e Every b a n k cover t h e m
that they h a c to carry t h e m i n 1913, h o w mich
aeve y o u g o t ?


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careful investigation o f
t

y

t
n about
u
o
ir s just
8c

20

a

cur]

per cent o f t h e lisbilitics,

ens

énc i n 1915, i t was just etout 6
r

t

r Gentlemen,
eT T
v
o

n
Crso singer:

g
t o y so u t h s et y o u hseve

-

w o uol

t iG
k e

t o

s cdinner engegement s t 7 o

Cistr will cntertsin ¢

motion t o edjourn until

tomorrow morning, t h e n v e will heer Governor Bizgs e n d
heve f u r t h e r
pee H o m l i n :

I m o v e

(Tae motion heving b e s

o'clock o. m. the Joint Cont: rence sdjournes until tomorNovember 14th, 1923, s t ten o'clock 2.m,)


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