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Will Interest Rates Remain Elevated Even as Monetary
Policy Normalizes?
By Felipe F. Schwartzman

Economic Brief
Aug ust 2024, No. 24-28

Long-term bond yields indicate an increase in long-run r* of between 1.2 and
1.4 percentage points relative to its pre-pandemic level. This increase in r* is
compatible with underlying economic shifts following the pandemic, including
a reduction in personal savings by U.S. households. Evidence suggests that,
even as in ation returns to trend and monetary policy normalizes, policy rates
may remain above their prepandemic level.
Following the pandemic, in ation spiked and only partially receded. Accordingly, the Federal
Open Market Committee (FOMC) has chosen to raise policy interest rates and keep them in
restrictive territory until it is con dent that in ation will return to its 2 percent target.
Being in restrictive territory means that the policy rate is above r*, de ned as the real rate
that is neither stimulating or restrictive and that keeps in ation at its target level.1
How restrictive are interest rates right now? T his article argues that current policy is likely
to be restrictive, but it may be less restrictive than previously thought. In particular,
median projections from the FOMC's December 2023 Summary of Economic Projections
placed r* in the 0.5 percent to 1 percent range, so the neutral nominal policy rate
consistent with 2 percent expected in ation would be between 2.5 percent to 3 percent.
However, long-term bond prices indicate that r* may be closer to 2 percent, putting the
neutral nominal policy rate at 4 percent. Such a rise in r* is also consistent with various
recent economic and social trends.

Estimating r*: First Principles
How would one go about estimating r*? Before settling on measurement, it is worth
returning to rst principles. T he r* discussed by policymakers is closely related to the
natural rate of interest as de ned by Michael Woodford in his 2003 book Interest and Prices.
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T hat is, it is the interest rate that would prevail in an economy where the central bank
cannot use monetary policy to in uence its value.
More speci cally, in a workhorse New Keynesian model of the type commonly used by
central banks, monetary policy can in uence the rate of interest because prices are sticky.
If prices were to suddenly become exible, interest rates would then be pinned down by
the return on capital, intertemporal preferences and expectations about future economic
growth.
In other words, at the natural rate, policy replicates the equilibrium that would be obtained
in the absence of price rigidities. If policy keeps interest rates above that level,
consumption and investment fall below potential. T he economy then becomes "slack," and
rms reduce the prices they charge for goods and services, leading to receding in ation.
T his de nition of r*, while precise, requires committing to a complete model of the U.S.
economy that accurately describes all the trade-o s made by households and rms. While
such models are certainly useful and have been used to estimate r*, one might be excused
for preferring an option that is less heavily dependent on a particular economic model.

Long-Run Value of r*
One strategy for a more model-light measurement of r* is to focus on its long-run value.
In most macroeconomic models, deviations between the policy rates and their exible price
equilibria are expected to be temporary. If interest rates were instead expected to remain
above their natural rate over a prolonged period, then one should also expect in ation to
stay below its target, and vice versa.
T his implies that a best guess of r* over the long run is also the best long-run forecast for
the real interest rate. While imperfect, this best guess provides a useful gauge of the
restrictiveness of monetary policy, consistent with the de nition quoted at rst. It may also
be more operationally useful given lags in transmission between monetary policy decisions
and economic outcomes.
How would one do such forecasts? One strategy is to rely on an econometric model. T his is
the tack taken, for example, by T homas Lubik and Christian Matthes' r* model. Another
method, which is the focus of this article, is to rely on the forecasts made by nancial
institutions trading bonds. An average of those prices should be re ected in long-run bond
prices and, under the e cient market hypothesis, would provide as good a measure as one
could obtain of future interest rates. One important wrinkle (which we will discuss here) is
that bond prices also re ect market risk, so a forecast for r* cannot be directly read from
them.

Long-Run Treasury Rates Indicate r* Higher Than
Prepandemic Trends

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A convenient rst step for obtaining a market-based measure of r* is to focus on 10-year
T reasury bonds. T his is because 10 years is beyond the horizon within which one would
expect current monetary policy to matter for rates. Also, 10-year T reasury bonds are
traded in very liquid markets, so large movements in their yields are likely to re ect
expectations and risk attitudes of traders rather than liquidity considerations. Here and
below, the focus is on the rough movements between late 2019 and now, rather than the
month-to-month bond market ups and downs.
T en-year yields have been on an upward trend since pandemic bottomed out and fairly
consistently since the spring of 2023. T en-year yields were close to 2 percent before the
pandemic and are now close to 4 percent. T he rise in T reasury yields could be due either to
a rise in the real rate of return sought by investors or to investors' expected rate of
in ation.
Treasury-In ation Protected Securities

One way to control for that is to look at the yields on in ation-adjusted T reasury bonds
(speci cally, T reasury in ation-protected securities, or T IPS). As seen in Figure 1, those
have moved in parallel with 10-year T reasuries, from close to 0 percent to close to 2
percent, excluding unanchoring in ation expectations as a driving force for the increase in
T reasury yields. Furthermore, because T IPS are in ation protected, the increase in T IPS
yields also excludes in ation risk as a motivator for investors to ask for higher T reasury
yields.

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Five-Year/Five-Year Forward Treasury Rates

One may wonder whether long-term T reasury yields re ect current monetary policy. If the
Fed raises the federal funds rate, shouldn't this also lead to an increase in 10-year
T reasuries? T o sidestep this possibility, we can di erence out yields on ve-year bonds,
building the ve-year/ ve-year forward T reasury rate. T his captures the annual rate of
return that investors expect to gain by holding 10-year T reasury bonds between ve and
10 years in the future.
T he ve-year/ ve-year forward rate is informative because after ve years the monetary
policy stance should be little a ected by present day interest rates. T herefore,
expectations about the monetary policy stance in the coming years should re ect equally in
ve-year and 10-year yields. Again, there is a clear increase of about 2 percentage points in
the yields relative to their prepandemic level. T his indicates that nancial markets may
expect rates to remain high for a long time.

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Term Premia

Lastly, long-run T reasuries may increase not because investors expect the policy rate to
rise over time, but because they perceive those securities as riskier than before. T reasury
bonds are risky because their interest rates are set in advance. If policy rates turn out to
be higher than expected, investors stand to lose money. Conversely, if rates are lower than
expected, investors stand to gain.
Investors care about how those gains or losses co-vary with the state of the economy. If
bond prices lose value when the economy is in a recession, risk-averse investors may hold
fewer T reasury securities and/or demand higher premia for longer terms. In the opposite
situation, they may be happy holding more T reasuries and/or demanding lower premia as
a useful hedge or insurance against macroeconomic risk. More generally, to the extent
that investors have preferences for bonds of certain maturities, long-run T reasury yields
may move as the supply of T reasuries shifts.
T erm premia are hard to measure, but there are good reasons to believe they have
increased. T his is what one nds by examining the two most widely models for measuring
term premia:
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T he three-factor nominal term structure model by Don Kim and Jonathan Wright
T he Adrian, Crump and Moench (ACE) model for extracting term premia from T reasury
yields by T obias Adrian, Richard Crump and Emanuel Moench.
In particular, the model from Kim and Wright (shown in Figure 3) nds that the term
premium on a 10-year zero-coupon bond has risen from close to -0.6 percentage points
before the pandemic to hovering around 0.3 percentage points in recent months. Similarly,
the ACE model nds an increase in term premia of close to 0.8 percentage points. T hese
measures, however, fall short of explaining the full 2 percent increase in bond yields that
occurred after the onset of the pandemic. Factoring them in, long-term bond prices
suggest that r* has risen by 1.1 percent to 1.2 percent since 2019.

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What Drives Long-Run Yields?
What does the rise in T reasury yields imply for monetary policy? As made clear in the
previous section, this depends on how much one trusts current measures of term premia.
In the end, it is useful to apply a plausibility test: Are there enough plausible fundamental
trends that could be leading to higher r* (rather than, say, higher term premia)?
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More generally, a cardinal rule of macroeconomic analysis is to never reason from a price
change. Price changes are endogenous responses to fundamental changes in the economy
that may have multiple implications. It is helpful to think through what the underlying
causes may be.
T here are currently many trends in place that may point towards a rising r*. In a nutshell,
the post-pandemic world is one where private and public spending pressures have
increased. T he following discusses a few of these pressures.
Private Consumption

In spite of higher real interest rates, the personal savings rate has fallen from close to 7
percent in late 2019 to 3.5 percent in 2024.2 A few factors that could lead to a persistent
reduction in the savings rate include:3
Historically low unemployment rates and job prospects may have led households to
forecast higher income growth and less risk, leading them to borrow more.
T he pandemic may have increased individual assessment of mortality risk, leading to a
"seize the day" type of attitude and increased spending at the expense of saving.
Migration trends may a ect personal savings rates, as immigrants are relatively less
wealthy than natives.
Private Investment

While private investment has not risen noticeably as a share of GDP relative to
prepandemic levels, it has also not declined despite the increase in borrowing rates. T he
return on investment may have increased as new technologies and remote work open new
opportunities.
Also, changes in the world economy — such as shifts from services to goods, nearshoring
and friendshoring, energy transition, and location of workforce — demand new
investments, since old "misallocated" capital cannot be seamlessly transformed into new
capital.
Finally, the emergence of new technologies (such as chat-based AI) require investment in
energy capacity and may provide new and increasing opportunities for renewed
investment if it has a signi cant productivity-enhancing impact.
Government Spending

Geopolitical risk has increased notably following the pandemic, with wars breaking out in
Ukraine and the Middle East. As the geopolitical conditions shift and become more
unstable, one might expect the U.S. and other countries to increase military spending,
reducing the amount of real resources available for consumption and investment. T his
may itself lead to higher real rates, as more marginal projects are left unfunded.
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Higher Term Premia

At the same time, there are also trends towards higher term premia. Before the pandemic,
long-term T reasury bonds could be regarded as good hedges. In recessions, the Fed
lowered interest rates, leading to an increase in the price of long-term T reasuries.
However, the recent in ation surge and the gradual realization that the Fed will not
tolerate high in ation suggested that a di erent dynamic may become more common. If
large geopolitical shocks lead to surges in supply chain problems and in ation, we may see
more instances where the Fed needs to raise interest rates to keep in ation under control
even as economic conditions worsen. T his can explain part of the increase in long-term
rates.4

Conclusion
As the pandemic receded, personal savings have declined, and long-run real rates have
gone up. While some of the increase in long-run rates may be due to increased term
premia, it makes sense to believe that part of it is also driven by real factors in uencing the
long-run neutral interest rate for the U.S. economy. T his suggests that, even as monetary
policy normalizes, policy rates may converge to a higher level than was usual before the
pandemic.
Felipe Schwartzman is a senior economist in the Research Department at the Federal
Reserve Bank of Richmond.

1 For additional information, see Christopher Waller's 2024 speech "Some Thoughts on r*: Why

Did It Fall and Will It Rise?"
2 The argument here relies on the assumption that, all else equal, the personal savings rate

increases with the interest rate faced by households. This may not be the case if, for example,
households have a savings target that they can more easily reach with higher rates.
3 Personal savings rates are also a function of demographic trends, such as aging populations

and rising life expectancies. Much of the literature focused on explaining the prepandemic
secular decline in rates have focused on those. In a recent article, my Richmond Fed colleague
Paul Ho examines what role (if any) those forces may have played in recent natural rate
movements and nds that cross-currents are pushing r* in di erent directions.
4 This has been recently discussed in the 2019 article "A Simple Macro-Finance Measure of Risk

Premia in Fed Funds Futures" by Anthony Diercks and Uri Carl and the 2020 paper
"Macroeconomic Drivers of Bond and Equity Premia" by John Campbell, Carolin P ueger and
Luis Viceira. I have also heard this point made repeatedly by my Richmond Fed colleague Alex
Wolman in personal communication over the years.
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To cite this Economic Brief, please use the following format: Schwartzman, Felipe. (August 2024)
"Will Interest Rates Remain Elevated Even as Monetary Policy Normalizes?" Federal Reserve
Bank of Richmond Economic Brief, No. 24-28.

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